diff --git a/book/2004-09.txt b/book/2004-09.txt index a034fb4..fa385fb 100644 --- a/book/2004-09.txt +++ b/book/2004-09.txt @@ -80,7 +80,7 @@ HELP! \start Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:49:45 +0100 -From: Nic Doye +From: Nic Doye Nic Doye To: list Subject: Attempt to build axiom on Fedora Core 2 fails: Makefile.axiom not defined @@ -166,12 +166,12 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:23:24 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: Nic Doye +To: Nic Doye Nic Doye Subject: Re: Attempt to build axiom on Fedora Core 2 fails: Makefile.axiom not defined Hello Nic, -Nic Doye writes: +Nic Doye Nic Doye writes: > export AXIOM=/home/nic/dev/axiom/mnt/linux > export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH @@ -227,7 +227,7 @@ Thomas Sturm \start Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:32:51 +0100 -From: Nic Doye +From: Nic Doye Nic Doye To: list Subject: Re: Attempt to build axiom on Fedora Core 2 fails: Makefile.axiom not defined diff --git a/book/2005-08.txt b/book/2005-08.txt index e8df0a5..aeecceb 100644 --- a/book/2005-08.txt +++ b/book/2005-08.txt @@ -1,31 +1,9 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1DzWjV-0001CN-Ug - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:37:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1DzWiJ-0000kz-BW - for list; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:36:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1DzWiG-0000kB-Sg - for list; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:36:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzWhw-0000Pw-J4 - for list; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:35:41 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DzWfm-0000Lg-S5 - for list; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:33:27 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j719Krwl012278; - Mon, 1 Aug 2005 04:20:53 -0500 +Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:20:53 -0500 From: MathAction (Themos Tsikas) To: MathAction -Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:20:53 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [Axiom-mail] Re: input initialization file -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- Hello In your axiom.input file add the line @@ -50,164 +28,30 @@ Themos Tsikas PS. 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Hey Tim. I recall some time back you mentioned some ideas you had for @@ -216,47 +60,11 @@ fundamental design philosophy considerations, among other things. Is there a summary of those thoughts somewhere? I'm having some trouble finding it in the archives. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________ -Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BSQ-0002Sp-Kx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BSP-0002Ry-CO - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BSN-0002R5-Ia - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2BQg-0001i6-08 - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:28:50 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.195] (helo=web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E2BA0-0006WA-M2 - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:11:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 836 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2005 16:57:24 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=N6kFhR1KABkX5vBnc8RlXgDffKbfwkVqOOxgwFQt2R/Dbw7R07jDV2s229IQmVm9Lsmpxq66YGhpB6HwVZSWBVo+Ecz1IOmyq3oPRdTkt7Mhf7Skqp+H/UH627TtjmsIUvONoAn+CNfOdfEqp2l6mBhPX2DA/a98xsTJqdukV28= - ; -Received: from [68.230.220.222] by web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:57:24 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Ideas for "next generation" CAS? -To: Cliff Yapp, daly , - list -Cc: In that same vein, does anybody know anything about this effort? @@ -271,9 +79,6 @@ significant extension of Martin-Lof's intuitionistic Type Theory Downloadable here: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/NuPrl/html/NuprlSystem.html -Cheers, -CY - --- Cliff Yapp wrote: > Hey Tim. I recall some time back you mentioned some ideas you had @@ -282,62 +87,13 @@ CY > fundamental design philosophy considerations, among other things. Is > there a summary of those thoughts somewhere? I'm having some trouble > finding it in the archives. -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> -> ____________________________________________________ -> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________ -Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BSf-0002ZC-F3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BSe-0002YT-2G - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BSc-0002Xh-C3 - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2BQf-0001lT-M0 - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:28:49 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E2BAF-0006Wi-1Q - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:11:51 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j78GvVwl021104; - Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:57:31 -0500 +Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:57:31 -0500 From: MathAction (C Y) To: MathAction Subject: Ideas for "next generation" CAS? -Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:57:31 -0500 -Cc: -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDeveloper/diff --- In that same vein, does anybody know anything about this effort? http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/NuPrl/ @@ -351,9 +107,6 @@ significant extension of Martin-Lof's intuitionistic Type Theory Downloadable here: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/NuPrl/html/NuprlSystem.html -Cheers, -CY - --- Cliff Yapp wrote: > Hey Tim. I recall some time back you mentioned some ideas you had @@ -362,209 +115,82 @@ CY > fundamental design philosophy considerations, among other things. Is > there a summary of those thoughts somewhere? I'm having some trouble > finding it in the archives. -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> -> ____________________________________________________ -> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - -____________________________________________________ -Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDeveloper#msg20050808165724.834.qmail@web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2Ba5-0006FH-7a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:38:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2Ba2-0006D4-Iw - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:38:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2BZh-00067c-7b - for list; 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This is a great place for all Maple users to interact and share their work. + A new website: http://beta.mapleprimes.com has been created to offer + a moderated community for Maple users to communicate and share + techniques with each other. This is a great place for all Maple + users to interact and share their work. --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ImitationAsComplement#msg20050808193510-0500@page.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2IEF-0003WN-EK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:44:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2IDn-0003O2-Ur - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:44:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2IDg-0003LC-QI - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:43:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2IDf-0003HW-TV - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:43:51 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E2IJw-0007wx-6l - for list; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:50:20 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j790Zqwl003709; - Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:35:52 -0500 +\start From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:35:52 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [MaplePrimes] (new) -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/MaplePrimes/diff --- -Two of the most significant features of MaplePrimes are moderated forums and weblogs (blogs). +Two of the most significant features of MaplePrimes are moderated +forums and weblogs (blogs). -The forums function much like comp.soft-sys.math.maple and other public Maple forums, where people can post their questions and have them answered by the community. The difference is that the MaplePrimes forums will be monitored and moderated by Maplesoft selected community members. And for questions that the user community cannot answer, Maplesoft developers will be there to help as well. +The forums function much like comp.soft-sys.math.maple and other +public Maple forums, where people can post their questions and have +them answered by the community. The difference is that the MaplePrimes +forums will be monitored and moderated by Maplesoft selected community +members. And for questions that the user community cannot answer, +Maplesoft developers will be there to help as well. -The blogs allow any user to share their experiences with Maple and mathematics. MaplePrimes provides a place where like minded people can show off their latest findings, share Maple procedures or chat about their favorite theorems. This is a great place for Maple application authors to share what they are working on and to get instant user feedback. +The blogs allow any user to share their experiences with Maple and +mathematics. MaplePrimes provides a place where like minded people can +show off their latest findings, share Maple procedures or chat about +their favorite theorems. This is a great place for Maple application +authors to share what they are working on and to get instant user +feedback. -Throughout the site, many special features are available. The most interesting is the ability to post mathematics in 2D notation like you would find in a textbook. It is as easy as either entering MathML or the Maple syntax for the math you want to appear. +Throughout the site, many special features are available. The most +interesting is the ability to post mathematics in 2D notation like you +would find in a textbook. It is as easy as either entering MathML or +the Maple syntax for the math you want to appear. -Overall, we would like MaplePrimes to become the first complete Mathematical portal. MaplePrimes should allow anyone with any Math knowledge get help and share what they find. We have a number of ideas in development that will add to this. +Overall, we would like MaplePrimes to become the first complete +Mathematical portal. MaplePrimes should allow anyone with any Math +knowledge get help and share what they find. We have a number of +ideas in development that will add to this. -Please go and check it out at http://beta.mapleprimes.com I hope that you will find the site to be very useful and come back to visit often. +Please go and check it out at http://beta.mapleprimes.com I hope that +you will find the site to be very useful and come back to visit often. 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The same problem was reported in a different context in bug #165 -Martin - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/196SetFunctionsCompileOn#msg20050809050024-0500@page.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2RRU-0000aE-Ml - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:34:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2RRQ-0000ZZ-SK - for list; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:34:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E2RRP-0000Z2-9w - for list; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:34:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2RRF-0008Uk-8m - for list; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 06:34:29 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E2RA9-0006gJ-HS - for list; 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Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:33:45 -0400 +\start +Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:34:09 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:34:09 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Version_2_7_0t5 Camm, @@ -1354,36 +581,11 @@ to release an "official" gcl 2.6.7 ? If so, are there any more features in the Version_2_7_0 series that can be easily, usefully and portably back-ported to 2.6.7? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3M8l-0003fi-Pw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:07:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3M8i-0003eX-Em - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:07:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3M8f-0003dU-V2 - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:07:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3M4l-0002bS-GN - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:03:03 -0400 -Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E3Lwu-00010p-Bc - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:54:57 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1E3LiF-00037h-00; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:39:47 -0400 +Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:39:47 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Bill Page Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Version_2_7_0t5 -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:39:47 -0400 -Cc: list My apologies to all for being so low on 2.6.7. @@ -1409,56 +611,13 @@ Bill Page writes: > to release an "official" gcl 2.6.7 ? If so, are there any more > features in the Version_2_7_0 series that can be easily, usefully > and portably back-ported to 2.6.7? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3N3Q-0003AP-AF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3N3G-00034z-TI - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3N39-000307-LD - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3N37-0002yT-Mg - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:25 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3NCL-0005cv-00 - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:14:57 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7BNxkwl026415; - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:46 -0500 +\start +Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:46 -0500 From: MathAction (Ryan Krauss) To: MathAction -Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:46 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- I found this example on the axiom-developer mailing list from about a year ago: @@ -1493,50 +652,13 @@ a dos command? Is there an easier way? -Thanks for your thoughts, - -Ryan - - -_______________________________________________ -Axiom-mail mailing list -Axiom-mail@nongnu.org -http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail#msg42FBE41D.5090706@comcast.net - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3NWl-0002Qv-By - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:36:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3NWg-0002PB-G8 - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:35:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3NWZ-0002Kf-Pc - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:35:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3NWZ-0002K0-LB - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:35:51 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3Nfa-0007Sd-QK - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:45:10 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7C0Twwl000776; - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:58 -0500 +\start +Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:58 -0500 From: MathAction (Bob McElrath) To: MathAction -Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:58 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- -Ryan Krauss [ryanfedora@comcast.net] wrote: +Ryan Krauss wrote: > I found this example on the axiom-developer mailing list from about a > year ago: > @@ -1593,39 +715,12 @@ If you're interested in working on this, please join axiom-developer! ;) --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail#msg20050812002337.GB30171@mcelrath.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3NXd-0002fk-5x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:36:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3NXb-0002f2-Kr - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:36:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3NXa-0002eJ-Ij - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:36:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3NXa-0002eG-CU - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:36:54 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3Nid-0007iF-5c - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:48:19 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7C0X9wl001583; - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:09 -0500 +\start +Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:09 -0500 From: MathAction (Ryan Krauss) To: MathAction -Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:09 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- I can't find any documentation on the pamphlet format. Can you tell me where I can find out more? @@ -1634,7 +729,7 @@ Thanks, Ryan Bob McElrath wrote: -> Ryan Krauss [ryanfedora@comcast.net] wrote: +> Ryan Krauss [Ryan Krauss] wrote: > >>I found this example on the axiom-developer mailing list from about a >>year ago: @@ -1695,55 +790,13 @@ Bob McElrath wrote: > > If you're interested in working on this, please join axiom-developer! > ;) -> -> -- -> Cheers, -> Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] -> -> "One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen -> these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding -> fathers used in the great struggle for independence." --Charles A. Beard - -_______________________________________________ -Axiom-mail mailing list -Axiom-mail@nongnu.org -http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail#msg42FBED0C.2010600@comcast.net - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3O4j-00029G-Ic - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:11:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3O4a-00024L-Pv - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:11:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3O4P-0001xJ-L8 - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:10:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3O4M-0001un-MN - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:10:46 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3OEA-0001Eb-M1 - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:20:55 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7C15gwl008977; - Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:42 -0500 +\start +Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:42 -0500 From: MathAction (Mike Thomas) To: MathAction -Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:42 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on - windows +Subject: \begin{axiom} latex on windows -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- Hi Ryan. | I would very much like to be able to write LaTeX documents like this on @@ -1755,44 +808,10 @@ To build Axiom on Windows (including those LaTeX pamphlets), I use the excellent I believe that Bill Page also uses that package. -Cheers - -Mike Thomas - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail#msgMFEIIPBIPCKFPICNGIJNIEFNIFAA.Mike Thomas - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3bz6-0002xz-IM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:02:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3M7y-0003T1-JO - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:06:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3M7v-0003SI-Sv - for list; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:06:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3M4n-0002bS-Dw; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:03:05 -0400 -Received: from [66.134.96.17] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) - id 1E3Luo-0000w7-P3; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:52:49 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1E3LeI-00031i-00; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:35:42 -0400 -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, maxima , - acl2@lists.cc.utexas.edu, list, "Page, - Bill" Bill Page, Tim Daly, - Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt, - Matt Kaufmann, - "Gordon Shaw Novak" - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire +\start Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:35:42 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page, Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt, Matt Kaufmann, Gordon Novak Subject: GCL 2.6.7 is released Greetings! @@ -1851,44 +870,15 @@ changelog: (Closes: #295930). Apply po-debconf patch * Newer standards --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3c7b-0007jE-9m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:11:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3c6x-0007Tk-DB - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:10:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3c6k-0007Ll-UZ - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:10:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3c6h-0007Co-Rk - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:10:08 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3cE3-0007wv-0U - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:17:43 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7CG2Swl029488; - Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:02:28 -0500 -From: MathAction (David MENTRE) -To: MathAction +\start Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:02:28 -0500 -Cc: +From: MathAction (David Mentre) +To: MathAction Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- Hello Ryan, -2005/8/12, Ryan Krauss : +2005/8/12, Ryan Krauss: > I can't find any documentation on the pamphlet format. Can you tell me > where I can find out more? @@ -1905,106 +895,20 @@ Some examples : http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~nr/noweb/examples/index.html You should also look at axiom-developer mailing list archives, Tim Daly has made extensive description of pamphlets. -I hope it helps, -Yours, -david - - -_______________________________________________ -Axiom-mail mailing list -Axiom-mail@nongnu.org -http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail#msg3d13dcfc050811232023208920@mail.gmail.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3cJK-0004jw-B4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3cJG-0004iL-Vy - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3cJE-0004gy-G0 - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3cJE-0004gj-1K - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:23:04 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3cTG-0000lE-DI - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:33:26 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7CGI4wl001081; - Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:18:04 -0500 +\start +Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:18:04 -0500 From: MathAction (Martin Rubey) To: MathAction -Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:18:04 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff --- I just sent one to axiom-math... -Martin - - - -_______________________________________________ -Axiom-mail mailing list -Axiom-mail@nongnu.org -http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail#msg17148.51458.818908.224886@seam101.local - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3gJ7-0004BH-3P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:39:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3gIo-000434-2W - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:38:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E3gIf-0003zP-S6 - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:38:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3gIf-0003uo-FC - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:38:45 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E3gOX-0007ib-9E - for list; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:44:49 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - j7CKTbn9011167 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:29:37 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j7CKTbx8011164; - Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:29:37 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:29:37 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Davide P.Cervone - list - <20050524190605.GE6646@mcelrath.org> - <306229a068781e29de6a864962274f25@union.edu> - <20050709010813.GB20323@mcelrath.org> - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vEao7xgI/oilGqZ+" -Cc: list Subject: Re: New version of jsMath - ---vEao7xgI/oilGqZ+ - Hello again Davide, I installed jsMath 2.0 yesterday and it is quite impressive, you've come @@ -2046,55 +950,10 @@ document.write[ln]'s but I am unsure how/where to insert MathML. I assume in Typeset() but I keep looking at this code and it keeps being very opaque to me. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen - these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding - fathers used in the great struggle for independence." --Charles A. 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I want to use Axiom on FreeBSD, is it possible? -Bye. --- -José María Ruiz Aguilera -http://www.sandii.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E443J-0004h4-U6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:00:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E440v-0003vZ-DO - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:58:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E440o-0003s7-JR - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:57:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E440g-0003e7-PX - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:57:46 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E43rN-0006pZ-DV - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:48:09 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7DLWZwl030288; - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:32:36 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7DLWYFA030278; - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:32:34 -0500 +\start Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:32:34 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: --patch-44 --patch-44 has been uploaded. to get this type: @@ -2191,35 +998,10 @@ Keywords: daly gcl-2.6.7 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpcall.lsp.patch added 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.tgz added - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E440y-0003wJ-N3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:58:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E440T-0003mx-Tg - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:57:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E440K-0003hy-Dg - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:57:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E440I-0003e7-8E - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:57:22 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4429-000754-8C - for list; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:59:17 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7DLhjwl000441; - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:43:45 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7DLhiID000438; - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:43:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:43:44 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Beckermann and Labahn paper Martin, @@ -2230,34 +1012,7 @@ Usually I've been rewriting the paper into a more "documenting" form as well as embedding the code. But I can only do this with permission. If you know either of the authors I'd be happy to ask. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4B2G-0004KB-So - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:27:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4B28-0004HX-L7 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:27:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4B20-0004Dj-5j - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:27:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4B1z-00042a-UF - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:27:36 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.190] (helo=web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4AxC-0001SI-Aj - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:22:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail 38358 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2005 05:07:08 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=iW967fvTbg+llc0OrvKHJe1k1HthQFrbc7fCdwZHhE5+/R6gKuViDw03+YfXalDE4Ig/m444/kVMpBrsDrCiu8OEOMd+/Nn5O5HVGJQwqRFOZV1uhFRMC+1t3Hk89vAJpQBkpw50j23dJBzAqjshFHiw4H3JpmjZCrpNThY61VM= - ; -Received: from [68.230.220.222] by web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:07:08 PDT Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -2308,38 +1063,10 @@ provides bug reporting information. 2 (%i2) - - -____________________________________________________ -Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page -http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4D3M-0002w9-H7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:37:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4D3H-0002tq-9z - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:37:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4D3D-0002rI-6g - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:37:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4D3B-0002nA-UA - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:36:58 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4D7d-0006r2-HN - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:41:33 -0400 -Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7E7PRs3036458; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:25:30 +0200 (CEST) -From: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:23:44 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Beckermann and Labahn paper Tim Daly writes: @@ -2360,58 +1087,30 @@ No, I don't know them. And in fact, after a little digging, I find that their paper is better written than any documentation I could write. I will document the bits of code where I depart from their paper. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Hil-0006T0-PL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Hih-0006Qz-QU - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Hie-0006PY-Is - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4Hie-0006Nn-8i - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:04 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.30] (helo=smtp1.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4HrK-00044j-Rk - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:45:03 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F9B51C0015B - for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:29:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-55-186.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-55-186.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.184.186]) - by mwinf0106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 87E1E1C00156; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:29:25 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: --patch-44 -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:29:56 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: --patch-44 Le samedi 13 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 16:32 -0500, Tim Daly a =E9c= rit : > --patch-44 has been uploaded. to get this type: > tla get axiom--main--1 ->=20 +> > Tim ->=20 -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 +> +> ========================= +========================== +===================== +> > Summary: move to gcl-2.6.7 > Keywords: daly gcl-2.6.7 ->=20 +> > 20050813 tpd --patch-44 > 20050813 tpd Makefile VERSION update to Axiom 3.9 (September 2005) > 20050813 tpd lsp/Makefile gcl-2.6.7 patches -> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.7 +> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.makefile.patch > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.init_gcl.lsp.in.patch added > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.h.linux.defs.patch added @@ -2423,11 +1122,10 @@ More precisely: -BOOT>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -=3D=3D=3D algebra bootstrap complete =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +BOOT +>====================================== +=== algebra bootstrap complete ====== +====================================== compiling AHYP.spad to AHYP.NRLIB AXIOM Computer Algebra System Version: Axiom 3.9 (September 2005) @@ -2508,78 +1206,39 @@ Time: 0.01 SEC. Any idea ? -Cheers, - - -Greg - -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4HjQ-0006ti-JL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4HjN-0006sO-VQ - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4HjL-0006qg-Nc - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:36:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4He6-0004wR-Si - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:31:22 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=smtp6.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4HQM-0002Rs-Ab - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:17:10 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (unknown [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0608.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2CF021C0023B - for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:01:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-55-186.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-55-186.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.184.186]) - by mwinf0608.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C72ED1C0023A; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:01:36 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: --patch-44 +Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:02:08 +0200 From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Tim Daly -Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:02:08 +0200 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: --patch-44 Hi, - Le samedi 13 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 16:32 -0500, Tim Daly a =E9c= rit : > --patch-44 has been uploaded. to get this type: > tla get axiom--main--1 ->=20 +> > Tim ->=20 -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 +> +> ========================= +========================== +===================== +> > Summary: move to gcl-2.6.7 > Keywords: daly gcl-2.6.7 ->=20 +> > 20050813 tpd --patch-44 > 20050813 tpd Makefile VERSION update to Axiom 3.9 (September 2005) > 20050813 tpd lsp/Makefile gcl-2.6.7 patches -> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.7 +> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.makefile.patch > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.init_gcl.lsp.in.patch added > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.h.linux.defs.patch added > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpflet.lsp.patch added > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpcall.lsp.patch added > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.tgz added ->=20 +> compiling STAGG-.lsp to STAGG-.o compiling SYMBOL.lsp to SYMBOL.o @@ -2593,11 +1252,11 @@ compiling UPOLYC-.lsp to UPOLYC-.o compiling URAGG.lsp to URAGG.o compiling URAGG-.lsp to URAGG-.o compiling VECTOR.lsp to VECTOR.o -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -=3D=3D=3D algebra bootstrap complete =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +============ +=== algebra bootstrap complete ====== +========================== +============ compiling AHYP.spad to AHYP.NRLIB make[3]: *** [/usr/local/axiom/int/algebra/AHYP.NRLIB/code.o] Erreur 255 make[3]: quittant le r=E9pertoire =AB /usr/local/axiom/src/algebra =BB @@ -2608,51 +1267,10 @@ make[1]: quittant le r=E9pertoire =AB /usr/local/axiom =BB make: *** [all] Erreur 2 ellipse:/usr/local/axiom# -Any idea ? - -Cheers, - - -Greg - ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4JZa-0002kv-Un - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:34:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4JZI-0002f2-M6 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:34:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4JZ9-0002ar-A6 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:34:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4JZ8-0002Yp-W4 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:34:23 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4Jkr-0001eU-PW - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:46:29 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EEUowl023545; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:30:51 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EEUowB023535; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:30:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:30:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: --patch-44 build failure Greg, @@ -2663,37 +1281,10 @@ Please type: and send me the console. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4JdL-0003u1-El - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:38:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4JdI-0003sw-P3 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:38:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4JdF-0003r7-QY - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:38:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4JdE-0003py-K2 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:38:36 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4JnU-0001td-T2 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:49:13 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EEXYwl024269; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:33:34 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EEXYE6024266; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:33:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:33:34 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Mark Murray -Cc: list Subject: freebsd Mark, @@ -2702,37 +1293,10 @@ As I mentioned, the next step after the gcl-2.6.7 port is to get Axiom running on FreeBSD. I've set up a freebsd node here and moved Axiom sources onto it. I'll let you know how it goes. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4LMr-0005VM-Ug - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:29:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4LMo-0005T0-Ip - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:29:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4LMj-0005On-Vz - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:29:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4LMh-000557-8O - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:29:39 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4LBm-0006Fy-6c - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:18:22 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EG2gwl012980; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:02:42 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EG2gVO012977; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:02:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:02:42 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: send file Greg, @@ -2744,38 +1308,10 @@ please send me the file: which is the translated file from i-coerfn.boot. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Lp6-0004ef-6s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:59:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Lox-0004Za-La - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:58:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Lot-0004Xf-8K - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:58:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4Los-0004WF-Sn - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:58:46 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4LyX-0008Cw-Ph - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:08:45 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EGr5wl025210; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:53:05 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EGr4XG025203; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:53:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:53:04 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: send file Greg, @@ -2788,46 +1324,10 @@ Try rm -rf int obj mnt noweb make NOISE= -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4LpG-0004nj-Sv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:59:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Lp4-0004da-Mb - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:58:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Lou-0004Y6-Da - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:58:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4Lot-0004WF-CX - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:58:47 -0400 -Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4Lxn-0008Ba-RU - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:08:00 -0400 -Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) - by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20050814165221.PJXU21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:52:21 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home ([80.3.52.65]) - by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP - id <20050814165221.EHUW820.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@obscurity.home>; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:52:21 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by obscurity.home (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id - j7EH4oGU008859; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:04:52 +0100 -Received: (from pab@localhost) - by obscurity.home (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j7EH4nEh008858; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:04:49 +0100 - Peter Broadbery using -f +Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:04:48 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Tim Daly -Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:04:48 +0100 -Cc: list Subject: Axiom/aldor interface code @@ -2849,38 +1349,10 @@ Oh, excuse the delay in getting back round to this. I'm interested in trying to get aldor working, but I think it'll take more testing & development than I can supply in order to get it working 100%. --- -Peter Broadbery - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4MNz-0004jl-NJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:35:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4MNx-0004iM-0O - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:35:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4MNv-0004hr-Rd - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:35:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4MMr-00047S-OF - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:33:53 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4MCN-0000nw-8x - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:23:03 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EH7Mwl028425; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:07:22 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EH7Mue028422; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:07:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:07:22 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Peter Broadbery -Cc: list Subject: Axiom/aldor interface code Pete, @@ -2891,38 +1363,10 @@ re: delay. progress is not measured by time. Once I see what you've been up to I can work out testing methods and integrate them into the whole. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4MuM-000707-66 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:08:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4MuL-0006zv-16 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:08:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4MuJ-0006yY-Bw - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:08:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4MuH-0006uz-TG - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4N4Q-0003Xp-Pr - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:18:55 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EI3Cwl009389; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:03:12 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EI3CkC009386; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:03:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:03:12 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: Axiom/aldor interface code Greg, @@ -2946,38 +1390,10 @@ Rebuilding the system from scratch should cure the problem. I've fetched the sources and will do another rebuild here just to check that the file was not changed in some way. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OeE-0000Gl-Mz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OeB-0000EG-6e - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Oe7-0000CM-E0 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4Oe7-0000CC-Bh - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:51 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4OpI-0000WT-CA - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:11:24 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7EJtewl003910; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:55:40 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j7EJtduS003907; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:55:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:55:39 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: Axiom/aldor interface code Greg, @@ -2985,35 +1401,11 @@ Greg, I've refetched and rebuilt the system from the archives and it builds cleanly here. If you refetch and rebuild does it still fail? -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4Oer-0000TP-LW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:00:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OeM-0000Jk-BR - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:00:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OeE-0000Gb-SJ - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4OeE-0000CC-I5 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:58 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4OdH-00009K-Nf - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:59:00 -0400 -Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7EJgruf023744; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:42:56 +0200 (CEST) -From: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:41:09 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Peter Broadbery Subject: Re: Axiom/aldor interface code -Cc: list Wow, this is great news! @@ -3040,139 +1432,38 @@ Peter Broadbery writes: > Oh, excuse the delay in getting back round to this. I'm interested in > trying to get aldor working, but I think it'll take more testing & > development than I can supply in order to get it working 100%. - > - > -- - > Peter Broadbery - > - > - > _______________________________________________ - > Axiom-developer mailing list - > Axiom-developer@nongnu.org - > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OuS-00060W-3m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:16:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OuQ-00060Q-AL - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:16:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4OuO-0005zX-H0 - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:16:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4OuO-0005z3-8y - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:16:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.31] (helo=smtp11.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4P1k-0001AR-Od - for list; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:24:16 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D81961C000A8 - for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:08:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-29-153.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-29-153.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.135.153]) - by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 837881C000A0; - Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:08:38 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly + +\start Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:09:11 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom/aldor interface code Le dimanche 14 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 14:55 -0500, Tim Daly a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > I've refetched and rebuilt the system from the archives and it builds > cleanly here. If you refetch and rebuild does it still fail? Yes since gcl-2.6.7pre but i don't know why. I'll retry probably tomorrow. -Thanks - - -Cheers, - -Greg - - -> Tim ->=20 ->=20 - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4fd5-0003MC-KB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:07:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4fd2-0003Ki-QI - for list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:07:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1E4fd0-0003Js-KD - for list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:07:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4fd0-0003Jp-Gq - for list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:07:50 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1E4fUU-0001ef-8i - for list; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:59:02 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7FDh6wl005706; - Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0500 +Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0500 From: MathAction (gregr) To: MathAction -Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [Lisp's Fraction Integer Domain] Typo error in - interp.patch +Subject: [Lisp's Fraction Integer Domain] Typo error in interp.patch -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/LispsFractionIntegerDomain/diff --- There was a typo error in interp.patch. 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 From: Kai Kaminski
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 There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as 
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+\start
 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:28:19 +0200
+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: list
+Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
 
 Le mercredi 17 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 19:03 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit :
->=20
+>
 > -----Message d'origine-----
-> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=3Dwanadoo.fr@nongnu.org
+> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@nongnu.org
 > part de Kai Kaminski
 > Envoy=E9 : mercredi 17 ao=FBt 2005 18:16
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 > Objet : AxiomUI code
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 > Hi,
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 > an early version of AxiomUI can be found on kaikaminski.gmxhome.de. The
 > only dependency is Clisp. I use 2.34 but earlier version that are not
 > too old should be fine. All Lisp libraries that are needed are containe=
 d
 > in the tarball.
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 > There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as
 > starting a shell script.
->=20
+>
 > Kai
 
 Does not work for me.
@@ -3686,47 +1841,11 @@ STOP           :R2      stop loading file
 ABORT          :R3      ABORT
 Break 1 [2]>
 
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 Vanuxem Grégory wrote:
 
@@ -3764,39 +1883,10 @@ Vanuxem Gr
 Thanks for testing. I forgot to include some of the libraries. Should be 
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 Subject: AxiomUI code update
 
 Hi,
@@ -3809,39 +1899,11 @@ Also don't forget to set the AXIOM environment variable as described in
 the README. Alternatively you could edit the Lisp source to get the 
 pathnames right.
 
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+Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:44:53 -0400
 From: Bill Page
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: RE: AxiomUI code update
-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:44:53 -0400
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 Kai,
 
@@ -3915,119 +1977,28 @@ Suggest what might be going wrong here.
 
 Thanks for your hard work!
 
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [WishList] Avoid Octave use Scilab
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/WishList/diff
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-I believe there's a better, faster, more complete choice than Octave. It is called Scilab, and it was developed by the French INRIA (Institute Nationale De Recherche en Informatique et Automation, IIRC), and it is in ongoing development, is very complete (even has a simulation kit).
-It is also Open Source. Octave pales in comparison as somewhat of a "toy."
+I believe there's a better, faster, more complete choice than
+Octave. It is called Scilab, and it was developed by the French INRIA
+(Institute Nationale De Recherche en Informatique et Automation,
+IIRC), and it is in ongoing development, is very complete (even has a
+simulation kit).
 
+It is also Open Source. Octave pales in comparison as somewhat of a "toy."
 
 http://scilabsoft.inria.fr/
 
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:38:29 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:12:01 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [WishList] Avoid Octave use Scilab
+Subject: [WishList] 
 
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 Yes but Scilab is NOT free software. One day or the other, you'll pay it (see the BitKeeper issue for Linux kernel).
 
 For reference: on scilab.org web site, FAQ section:
@@ -4036,125 +2007,48 @@ Q6. Is Scilab license GPL-compatible?
       According to the Free Software Foundation, Scilab is not a free software.
       See http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#NonFreeSoftwareLicense.
 
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:21:16 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [WishList] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/WishList/diff
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 I believe you should also cite Q1 from the license FAQ:
 
 Q1. What does the Scilab license mean?     
 
 * Scilab license allows you to:
 ** use freely Scilab for non commercial use
-** use freely Scilab for commercial use if you do not use it as a derived software (ie a modified Scilab) or a composite software (ie Scilab included in another software). 
+** use freely Scilab for commercial use if you do not use it as a
+   derived software (ie a modified Scilab) or a composite software (ie
+   Scilab included in another software).
 
 * Scilab license forbids you to:
-** use a composite or derived version of Scilab for commercial uses without asking INRIA authorization. 
+** use a composite or derived version of Scilab for commercial uses
+   without asking INRIA authorization.
 
 (sorry, couldn't find out how nested bullet point lists work)
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+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:44:12 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:44:12 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [WishList] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/WishList/diff
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-This Q1 point reinforces my arguments: you cannot modify the software without explicit INRIA's authorization. This is not Free Software. I know that all members of Axiom community are not that sensible to Free Software importance. However I personnally do believe that one cannot build the 30 years horizon envisioned by Tim without using **exclusively** Free Software (as defined by the 4 rules, not only GPLed software). I would never invest time and knowledge in a development where I'm not sure to keep long term control of it.
+This Q1 point reinforces my arguments: you cannot modify the software
+without explicit INRIA's authorization. This is not Free Software. I
+know that all members of Axiom community are not that sensible to Free
+Software importance. However I personnally do believe that one cannot
+build the 30 years horizon envisioned by Tim without using
+**exclusively** Free Software (as defined by the 4 rules, not only
+GPLed software). I would never invest time and knowledge in a
+development where I'm not sure to keep long term control of it.
 
-Yours,
-David Mentré
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+\start
 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:13:43 +0200
 From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code update
-Cc: axiom-developer 
 
 Hi Bill,
 
@@ -4255,54 +2149,21 @@ RUN.BAT file, so that I can include it in the future.
 
 If you have further troubles, I'm almost always on #axiom-developer.
 
-Kai
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+\start
+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:34:26 -0500
 From: MathAction (kai Kaminski)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:34:26 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom In Emacs] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomInEmacs/diff
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-
-??changed:
--On July 18, 2005 11:50 AM Kai Kaminski wrote:
--
--This is a tiny Emacs major mode for BOOT code. It supports very
--rudimentary syntax highlighting and (un)comment-region. To use it,
--put the file boot-mode.el somewhere in your load-path
--and add (require 'boot-mode) to your .emacs.
--You can activate the mode through M-x boot-mode RET.
--
--boot-mode.el
--
-
 
Editing Axiom's Source Code

 
-Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much easier. First of all you have to put boot-mode.el and noweb-mode.el (included in the noweb distribution, which in turn is included in the Axiom distribution) into your load-path. Then you add the following to your .emacs:
+Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much
+easier. First of all you have to put boot-mode.el and
+noweb-mode.el (included in the noweb distribution, which in
+turn is included in the Axiom distribution) into your
+load-path. Then you add the following to your
+.emacs:
 
 
 ;; NOWEB-MODE
@@ -4333,37 +2194,19 @@ Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much easier. First o
        auto-mode-alist))
 

 
-This code tries to automatically set the code mode in noweb, which only works for files with names of the form file.ext.pamphlet, where ext indicates the code mode. For example, sockio.lisp.pamphlet would have its code mode set to lisp-mode and nci.boot.pamphlet to boot-mode. If the auto-detection can't decide on a mode it uses fundamental-mode.
+This code tries to automatically set the code mode in noweb, which
+only works for files with names of the form
+file.ext.pamphlet, where ext indicates the code
+mode. For example, sockio.lisp.pamphlet would have its code
+mode set to lisp-mode and nci.boot.pamphlet to
+boot-mode. If the auto-detection can't decide on a mode it
+uses fundamental-mode.
 
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+\start
 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:47:56 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-Cc: list
 
 Dear Kai,
 
@@ -4469,44 +2312,12 @@ Kai Kaminski writes:
  > 
  > There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as 
  > starting a shell script.
- > 
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+\start
 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:15:36 +0200
-To: Kai Kaminski 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-	<17156.40860.718862.754420@seam101.local>
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 clisp --version
 GNU CLISP 2.30 (released 2002-09-15) (built on klama.mandrake.org)
@@ -4530,38 +2341,11 @@ Kai Kaminski writes:
  > Thanks,
  > Kai
 
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:22:14 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Martin Rubey
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-	<17156.40860.718862.754420@seam101.local>
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 Martin,
 
@@ -4592,36 +2376,12 @@ easy I'd recommend that. Maybe your distribution offers newer
 versions, too. The newest version is 2.34, but 2.33.2 should work as I
 have used that myself in the past.
 
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 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:08:25 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
+To: list
 Subject: Function definition crashes Axiom
 
-
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'm currently rebuilding parts of the HyperDoc documentation. One page
@@ -4637,48 +2397,11 @@ built on Ubuntu 5.04. I'm pretty sure that I haven't modified the
 source code prior to compiling it, but I'll rebuild it to be sure, if
 noone else has this problem.
 
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@@ -4701,237 +2424,36 @@ On both axiom 3.0 and 3.4 these two commands also segfault.
 
 So, I don't think it's you.  ;)
 
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+To: list
 Subject: Broken link on front page
 
-
 The link to the issue tracker on the front page is broken. While the
 path is correct, it points to localhost, which won't work in most
 cases.
 
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-Subject: [#188 the do instruction doesn't display any
-	result] This is intended behaviour
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--                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System 
--                        Version: Axiom 3.6 (June 2005)
--                Timestamp: Wednesday July 27, 2005 at 12:16:43 
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-Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),
-	x) is not handled ] (new) 
+Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] (new) 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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-Axiom doesn't seem to do the integral of sin(x^2), but both Maxima and Mathematica (per http://integrals.wolfram.com/ anyway) produce  answers.  Confirmed by Martin Rubey, and uploaded at his request to IssueTracker.
+Axiom doesn't seem to do the integral of sin(x^2), but both Maxima and
+Mathematica (per http://integrals.wolfram.com/ anyway) produce
+answers.  Confirmed by Martin Rubey, and uploaded at his request to
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 CY
 
@@ -4976,36 +2498,11 @@ CY
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 Subject: Re: integration
 
 I'm resending this because I'm not sure whether it got through...
@@ -5036,35 +2533,10 @@ should have done something but didn't do :-)
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 Thank you!
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---- Martin Rubey wrote:
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 > Thank you!
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 > C Y writes:
@@ -5198,40 +2638,10 @@ form (numbers and variables)*units, or recognize Newtons out of
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 It's worth noting that both Maple and Mathematica produce the FresnelS
 function, which is *defined* in terms of this integral.  However, the
 Maxima answer appears to be correct as well.
 
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+Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:12:36 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Broken link on front page
-From: Kai Kaminski
-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:12:36 +0200
-	"Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:47:19 -0400")
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 Bill,
 
@@ -5603,37 +2818,10 @@ I used Safari or Firefox, don't remember. But an hour or so after I
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 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: Martin Rubey
-Cc: list
 Subject: Unit package question
 
 Hi all.  I have a rather odd question, and I don't know if this is
@@ -5666,42 +2854,11 @@ support something like this, given it is rather non-standard in normal
 mathematical environments.  Is there anybody who knows what the correct
 approach to this would be?
 
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+Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:53:26 -0400
 From: Bill Page
-To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp
+To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: RE: Unit package question
-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:53:26 -0400
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 Here are few initial ideas about how I think units might
 be implemented in Axiom.
@@ -5823,43 +2980,11 @@ These are just some rough initial ideas. I am not sure how
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+To: Bill Page
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---- Bill Page wrote:
 
 > Here are few initial ideas about how I think units might
 > be implemented in Axiom.
@@ -6106,39 +3231,10 @@ things and I suspect there might be a collision between those and
 there's the whole issue of errors introduced by the CAS itself, due to
 precision limits and such. But that's for another day.
 
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 Subject: Building axiom--main--1--patch-44 fails
 
 Hello list
@@ -6203,2152 +3299,80 @@ and give me the cursor back. It just waits.
 uname -a
 Linux lfs 2.6.12 #1 Sat Jun 18 20:54:49 CEST 2005 i686 pentium4 i386 GNU/Linux
 
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-To: Magnus Larsson 
+To: Magnus Larsson
 Subject: Re: Building axiom--main--1--patch-44 fails
-Cc: list
-
-On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Magnus Larsson wrote:
-> making /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi 
-> from /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet
-> /bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments
->                                             
-> All I get is "/bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments..". 
-> The make script does not seem to complete and return to the bash shell
-> and give me the cursor back. It just waits.
-I have exactly the same problem with axiom--main--1--patch-44 on Gentoo 
-Linux 2005.1.
-
-In the Makefile in the doc directory, making DeveloperNotes.dvi indeed 
-includes some if [  ]; but the arguments of [ seem correct - I 
-cannot understand this strange behaviour.
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-On Saturday 20 August 2005 10.35, Martin Rubey wrote:
-> the problem is with the TeX processing of DeveloperNotes.pamphlet. Although
-> I was unable to fix it, a workaround is to kill the make, and then (WITHOUT
-> cleaning the interupted build) say
->
-> make NOISE=
->
-> at your shell prompt. After a short while you will see TeX in action
-> complaining about a # it shouldn't see. Say
->
-> q
->
-> at the TeX prompt. This complaint will appear another time, and you should
-> again answer with
->
-> q
->
-> Then the make should continue.
->
-> Martin
->
-Hello Martin Rubey,
-
-Your workaround works for me to.
-
-                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System
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-Subject: [ExternalEdit] 
+On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Magnus Larsson wrote:
+> making /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi 
+> from /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet
+> /bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments
+>                                             
+> All I get is "/bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments..". 
+> The make script does not seem to complete and return to the bash shell
+> and give me the cursor back. It just waits.
+I have exactly the same problem with axiom--main--1--patch-44 on Gentoo 
+Linux 2005.1.
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ExternalEdit/diff
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+In the Makefile in the doc directory, making DeveloperNotes.dvi indeed 
+includes some if [  ]; but the arguments of [ seem correct - I 
+cannot understand this strange behaviour.
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:59:03 +0200
+From: Magnus Larsson
+To: Martin Rubey
+Subject: Re: Building axiom--main--1--patch-44 fails
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/MathActionRSSedit/diff
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+On Saturday 20 August 2005 10.35, Martin Rubey wrote:
+> the problem is with the TeX processing of DeveloperNotes.pamphlet. Although
+> I was unable to fix it, a workaround is to kill the make, and then (WITHOUT
+> cleaning the interupted build) say
+>
+> make NOISE=
+>
+> at your shell prompt. After a short while you will see TeX in action
+> complaining about a # it shouldn't see. Say
+>
+> q
+>
+> at the TeX prompt. This complaint will appear another time, and you should
+> again answer with
+>
+> q
+>
+> Then the make should continue.
+>
+> Martin
+>
+Hello Martin Rubey,
 
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+Your workaround works for me to.
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Algebra/diff
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+                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System
+                     Version: Axiom 3.9 (September 2005)
+              Timestamp: Saturday August 20, 2005 at 08:39:18
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+   Issue )copyright to view copyright notices.
+   Issue )summary for a summary of useful system commands.
+   Issue )quit to leave AXIOM and return to shell.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:27:58 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#5 )edit command ignores file name] 
+   Re-reading compress.daase   Re-reading interp.daase
+   Re-reading operation.daase
+   Re-reading category.daase
+   Re-reading browse.daase
+(1) ->
+(1) ->
 
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:29:54 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:29:54 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for
-	build] 
-
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/41FreshDatabasesAreNotCopiedBackForBuild/diff
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+Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for build] 
 
-??changed:
--> > With the fixedPoint script, I noticed that the old database
--> > directories, DEPENDENTS.DAASE and USERS.DAASE, under int/algebra,
--> > are not removed in preparation for the second iteration. Am
--> > I mistaken in thinking that this will influence the subsequent
--> > compilation?
--> 
--> You are correct. The src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet that I am using
--> on the axiom--windows--1 branch has been updated to properly rebuild
--> the databases if any of the *.NRLIBS/code.o files change. In the
--> linux branches (e.g. axiom--main--1) the database build is still
--> done via a kludge that requires you to delete the file called
--> `dbcomplete' in order to force a rebuild. Alternately you could
--> also delete the int/*.spad files which will force them to be
--> re-extracted from the pamphlet files and also trigger deletion of
--> the dbcomplete file.
 With the fixedPoint script, I noticed that the old database
 directories, DEPENDENTS.DAASE and USERS.DAASE, under int/algebra,
 are not removed in preparation for the second iteration. Am
@@ -8365,42 +3389,12 @@ also delete the int/*.spad files which will force them to be
 re-extracted from the pamphlet files and also trigger deletion of
 the dbcomplete file.
 
---removed:
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:40:28 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:40:28 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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 Note that $sin(x^2)$ is a D-finite function:
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -8409,112 +3403,35 @@ f := sin(x^2)
 \end{axiom}
 
 Thus integration should be "easy"...
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:31:09 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:31:09 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for
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+Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for build] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/41FreshDatabasesAreNotCopiedBackForBuild/diff
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 Could you please explain the property change!
 
-Martin
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:05:40 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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-I browsed the web a little more and came to the conclusion that the Risch algorithm only deals with elementary functions whose integral is elementary, too. "Clearly" (looking at maxima's output or browsing the web), $sin(x^2)$ does not have an elementary antiderivative. Hence, I suspect that it should be treated just as $e^{-x^2}$, by the 'PatternMatchIntegration' package. This would not be too difficult, probably.
+I browsed the web a little more and came to the conclusion that the
+Risch algorithm only deals with elementary functions whose integral is
+elementary, too. "Clearly" (looking at maxima's output or browsing the
+web), $sin(x^2)$ does not have an elementary antiderivative. Hence, I
+suspect that it should be treated just as $e^{-x^2}$, by the
+'PatternMatchIntegration' package. This would not be too difficult,
+probably.
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:30:19 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:30:19 -0500
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 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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 Although this does not really solve the original problem, I think I found a bug in 'INTPM'. Currently, there is an operation::
 
            pmComplexintegrate(f, x) ==
@@ -8528,7 +3445,7 @@ Although this does not really solve the original problem, I think I found a bug
 
 It is pretty obvious that the third line should read::
 
-               (u := pmComplexintegrate(rc.nconst, x)) case "failed" => "failed"
+           (u := pmComplexintegrate(rc.nconst, x)) case "failed" => "failed"
 
 instead. If we perform this change, we get instead of
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -8551,115 +3468,24 @@ complexIntegrate(-%i/2*e^(%i*x^2)+%i/2*e^(-%i*x^2),x)
 \end{axiom}
 it fails, although in this case the pattern matcher is invoked. It would need to be invoked on each summand seperately, though.
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:57:26 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:57:26 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: 
-	[#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x, x)] (nouveau) 
+Subject: [#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x, x)] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/199IntegrateExpX2ExpXXX/diff
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 For some reason, the following forgets about one summand:
 
 \begin{axiom}
 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x,x)
 \end{axiom}
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-Status: open => fix proposed 
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:16:20 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:16:20 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x,x)] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/199IntegrateExpX2ExpXXX/diff
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 The problem is in 'expintegratepoly$INTTR'. There you find the following definition::
 
   -- returns either
@@ -8679,18 +3505,24 @@ The problem is in 'expintegratepoly$INTTR'. There you find the following definit
         zero? notelm => [answr, coef0]
       [answr, notelm]
 
-In principle, this function takes a polynomial 'p' and tries to integrate every coefficient. If it finds an answer, it adds it to 'answr', otherwise to 'notelm'. Note however, that the constant term of the 'p' will never get added to 'notelm', even if it was not possible to integrate it. So maybe the last line should read::
+In principle, this function takes a polynomial 'p' and tries to
+integrate every coefficient. If it finds an answer, it adds it to
+'answr', otherwise to 'notelm'. Note however, that the constant term
+of the 'p' will never get added to 'notelm', even if it was not
+possible to integrate it. So maybe the last line should read::
 
       [answr, notelm+monomial(coef0, 0)]
 
-This seems to "work", i.e., the integrals are then returned unevaluated. However, I'd rather have axiom to use the linearity of the integral...
-Note that
+This seems to "work", i.e., the integrals are then returned
+unevaluated. However, I'd rather have axiom to use the linearity of
+the integral...  Note that
 
 \begin{axiom}
 integrate(exp(-x^2)+sin(x),x)
 \end{axiom}
 
-is an example for an integral where 'coef0' does not vanish but 'notelm' does. So the more drastic change::
+is an example for an integral where 'coef0' does not vanish but
+'notelm' does. So the more drastic change::
 
           if ~ans1.sol? then         -- Risch d.e. has no complete solution
                missing := a - ans1.right
@@ -8711,46 +3543,24 @@ integrate(exp(x)/x+1/x,x)
 
 Although $1/x$ is certainly elementary, and so is its integral, the bug manifests itself.
 
-Martin
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:56:53 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:56:53 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
---
-There is another issue I don't quite understand. Currently axiom returns the whole integral unevaluated if it does not manage to evaluate it completely. If it were not for the bug #199, the following were an example:
+There is another issue I don't quite understand. Currently axiom
+returns the whole integral unevaluated if it does not manage to
+evaluate it completely. If it were not for the bug #199, the following
+were an example:
+
 \begin{axiom}
 integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2)+1/log(x),x)
 \end{axiom}
 
-Although axiom  produces the intermediate result 'integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2),x)+li(x)', it discards it. The responsible line of code is in 'rinteg$FSINT' ::
+Although axiom produces the intermediate result
+'integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2),x)+li(x)', it discards it. The
+responsible line of code is in 'rinteg$FSINT' ::
 
     rinteg(i, f, x, h, comp) ==
       not elem? i => integral(f, x)$F
@@ -8759,81 +3569,30 @@ Although axiom  produces the intermediate result 'integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2),x
 
 Does this make sense?
 
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+\start
+Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:32:28 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:32:28 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#193 Symbolic values (without variables) are not
-	ordered properly in 'EXPR INT'] same for 'AlgebraicNumber'
+Subject: [#193 Symbolic values (without variables) are not ordered properly in 'EXPR INT'] same for 'AlgebraicNumber'
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/193SymbolicValuesWithoutVariablesAreNotOrderedProperlyInEXPRINT/diff
---
-The same problem exists in 'AN'. Although the test for zero in this domain is mathematical, we have
+The same problem exists in 'AN'. Although the test for zero in this
+domain is mathematical, we have
 
 \begin{axiom}
 sqrt(2);
-	Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:34 +0200
-From: Magnus Larsson 
+\start
+Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:29 +0200
+From: Magnus Larsson
 To: list
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:29 +0200
-  charset="iso-8859-1"
-Cc: 
 
 On Wednesday 17 August 2005 18.15, Kai Kaminski wrote:
 > Hi,
@@ -8845,14 +3604,6 @@ On Wednesday 17 August 2005 18.15, Kai Kaminski wrote:
 >
 > There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as
 > starting a shell script.
->
-> Kai
->
->
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
 
 Hello Kai Kaminski,
 
@@ -8865,44 +3616,13 @@ when return was pressed after an expression was entered.
 
 Firefox worked fine though.
 
-Best regards,
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:30:31 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-	<200508211309.30273.magnus.larsson.k@bredband.net>
-From: Kai Kaminski
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:30:31 +0200
-	Larsson's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:29 +0200")
-Cc: list
 
-Magnus Larsson  writes:
+Magnus Larsson writes:
 
 > Your axiomUI works for me. I am using GNU CLISP 2.34 and Axiom 3.9 (September 
 > 2005).
@@ -8917,36 +3637,11 @@ not very standards compliant. I'll see what I can do.
 > Firefox worked fine though.
 That's good. Have you installed the proper fonts for jsMath or not?
 
-Cheers,
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 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:00:54 +0200
 From: Ralf Hemmecke
 To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
-Cc: list
 
 I would rather suggest to write a package
 
@@ -9265,36 +3960,12 @@ C Y wrote:
 > there's the whole issue of errors introduced by the CAS itself, due to
 > precision limits and such. But that's for another day.
 
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:33:59 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:33:59 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/196SetFunctionsCompileOn/diff
---
 Another manifestation is reported by Kai Kaminski:
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -9303,36 +3974,11 @@ addx x == ((y: Integer): Integer +-> x + y)
 g := addx 10
 \end{axiom}
 
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+\start
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:34:27 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: Function definition crashes Axiom
-Cc: list
 
 This is the same as bug #165 and #196. I'll add it there. Would be great if you
 could fix that :-)
@@ -9355,44 +4001,12 @@ Kai Kaminski writes:
  > built on Ubuntu 5.04. I'm pretty sure that I haven't modified the
  > source code prior to compiling it, but I'll rebuild it to be sure, if
  > noone else has this problem.
- > 
- > Thanks,
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 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:19:55 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Ralf Hemmecke
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
-	<4309B066.80306@hemmecke.de>
-Cc: list
 
 Dear Ralf, CY,
 
@@ -9457,40 +4071,14 @@ Units(R: Field): Exports == Implementation where
 
     coerce x == coerce((x::Rep).expr)$R * coerce((x::Rep).units)$U
 
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-Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:02:11 +0200
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+From: Magnus Larsson
+To: Kai Kaminski
+Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
 
 On Monday 22 August 2005 09.30, Kai Kaminski wrote:
-> Magnus Larsson  writes:
+> Magnus Larsson writes:
 > > Your axiomUI works for me. I am using GNU CLISP 2.34 and Axiom 3.9
 > > (September 2005).
 >
@@ -9511,36 +4099,12 @@ I used jsMath fonts.
 Best regards,
 Magnus Larsson
 
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [FrontPage] integration
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/FrontPage/diff
---
 the function f(x,y) = 12xy(1-y) for 0 (1/2)
@@ -9557,52 +4121,12 @@ In[2]:=Integrate[12*x*y*(1-y)*Boole[x-y>1/2],{y,0,1},{x,0,1}]
 Maple:
 Doubleint(12*x*y*(1-y)*Heaviside(x-y-1/2),x=0..1,y=0..1);
 
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:17:36 +0100
 From: Peter Broadbery
 To: Tim Daly
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:17:36 +0100
-Cc: list
 Subject: Re: Axiom/aldor interface code
 
-
---=-gSIb34c7BTjmb4KTBUPy
-
 Hi Tim,
 
 Finally managed to get the interface running and building from pamphlets
@@ -10320,37 +4844,10 @@ dSfo1GA5/Zx+Tj+nn9PP6ef0c/o5/Zx+Tj+nn9PP6ef0c/o5/Zx+Tj+nn9PP6ef0c/o5/Zx+jv/5
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 Pete,
@@ -10428,38 +4925,10 @@ In any case, I'm happy to see you didn't include a patch which rewrote
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 Pete,
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 more questions to follow...
 
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 On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:06 -0500, Tim Daly wrote:
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 > I would rather suggest to write a package
 > 
@@ -10926,43 +5289,11 @@ in Maxima was to define an "order of searching" for derived dimensions,
 and then reduce all expressions internally to base units for the
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 Dear C Y,
 
@@ -11119,35 +5450,11 @@ convert from such a form into Force could lead to problems. Anyway, such
 a Metadomain would know about combinations of the basic domains and you 
 have a Unit domain again which knows about all units.
 
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 Dear all,
 
@@ -11410,41 +5717,11 @@ a / b
 
 where a is of domain Mass and b of domain Time...
 
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 > Dear C Y,
 > 
@@ -11479,49 +5756,16 @@ Units depend on Dimensions and define its units in terms of Dimensions.
 probably make things like dimensional analysis much simpler.
 
 > Anyway, such a Metadomain would know about combinations of the 
-> basic domains and you have a Unit domain again which knows about 
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 To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
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 Hello Clifford,
 
@@ -11584,35 +5828,11 @@ Well, yes, but as far as I understand you want to distinguish the type
 of the units (length, time, mass, etc.). So maybe the metadomain 
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 C Y writes:
 
@@ -11676,36 +5896,11 @@ case, whether Aldor becomes free or not.
 
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 Hello Clifford,
 
@@ -11831,39 +6026,11 @@ written out in decimal form that I have ever seen in my life was
 rational. Maybe there is someone who knows of two units that are in 
 irrational correspondence. What about a \pi meter?
 
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 Very interesting topic, which I have been following.
 
@@ -12010,45 +6177,11 @@ as POLY FLOAT.
 These are just some beginning thoughts, which certainly need serious critique
 from all.
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Ralf Hemmecke
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
-	<430B312C.8060402@hemmecke.de>
-Cc: list
 
 Ralf Hemmecke writes:
  > Hello Clifford,
@@ -12066,37 +6199,11 @@ Furthermore, I think that we should also ask him to "freeze" the Aldor
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 Ralf Hemmecke writes:
 
@@ -12132,41 +6239,11 @@ So the following are problematic:
 So very probably, one should somehow allow for an additional scalar factor of
 type Expression Integer...
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question
 
 > Hello Clifford,
 > 
@@ -12367,52 +6444,24 @@ knowledge of Axiom is too limited to know what the good mappings are -
 hopefully that will emerge.  I'm pretty sure there IS a good mapping -
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+From: Martin Rubey
 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
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-Cc: list
 
 William Sit writes:
 
- > The complications of units come from the conversion factors, which are generally
- > floating point numbers (and dimensionless). This would be ok if we only deal
- > with numerical quantities. For symbolic quantities, it is the dimensions that
- > are more important and conversion factors (not to be confused with universal
- > physical constants) are seldom used, and universal physical constants are often
- > denoted by a symbol (such as "g" for acceleration due to gravity) without units.
- > Thus we should leave symbolic computed expressions alone (that is, in the set S,
- > even though it is actually in some domain of UnitSystem(S), see below).
+ > The complications of units come from the conversion factors, which
+ > are generally floating point numbers (and dimensionless). This
+ > would be ok if we only deal with numerical quantities. For symbolic
+ > quantities, it is the dimensions that are more important and
+ > conversion factors (not to be confused with universal physical
+ > constants) are seldom used, and universal physical constants are
+ > often denoted by a symbol (such as "g" for acceleration due to
+ > gravity) without units.  Thus we should leave symbolic computed
+ > expressions alone (that is, in the set S, even though it is
+ > actually in some domain of UnitSystem(S), see below).
  
 ...
 
@@ -12426,9 +6475,9 @@ William Sit writes:
 
 This would not allow for Length/Time
 
- > We need a way to include universal constants, the notation of which depends on
- > the set S.
- > 
+ > We need a way to include universal constants, the notation of which
+ > depends on the set S.
+
  > if S has Field then
  >   unitAcceleration(dv:%, t:%):% == [dv/t, "Acceleration"]$Rep
  >   if S has RetractableTo(Symbol) then
@@ -12439,52 +6488,21 @@ This would not allow for Length/Time
  > %:UnitSystem instead of a symbol g.
 
 
-This is a nice idea. However, very probably we also need the case of S being
-Fraction Integer. So, as I said in my previous post, we may need to allow for a
-scalar factor of domain EXPR INT to accomodate constants which cannot be thrown
-into S, thus we'd have
+This is a nice idea. However, very probably we also need the case of S
+being Fraction Integer. So, as I said in my previous post, we may need
+to allow for a scalar factor of domain EXPR INT to accomodate
+constants which cannot be thrown into S, thus we'd have
 
   Rep:= Record(value:S, constant: Constant, dim:Dimension)
 
-where Constant would be something like Fraction Polynomial Integer, with all
-coefficients equal to one...
-
-Martin
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+where Constant would be something like Fraction Polynomial Integer,
+with all coefficients equal to one...
 
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 > I think that it is probably better if we speak with one voice 
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@@ -12503,50 +6521,11 @@ Sorta like Java - in order to use the Java trademark Sun insists you
 qualify as Java according to the specs?  Sounds good to me!  Is Aldor
 trademarked?
 
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@@ -12617,41 +6596,11 @@ OutputForm;and one should adhere to the standards as given by:
 
 http://physics.nist.gov/Document/checklist.pdf
 
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---- William Sit wrote:
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 > Very interesting topic, which I have been following.
 > 
@@ -12788,47 +6737,12 @@ available dimensions?
 
 Just curious - lord knows I'm not informed enough to critique :-).
 
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 To: William Sit, Martin Rubey
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package question
 
---- William Sit wrote:
-> 
 > Martin Rubey wrote:
 > > This would not allow for Length/Time
 > 
@@ -12878,46 +6792,11 @@ Absolutely agree.  In fact, we should incorporate that document and/or
 other relevant documentation into our eventual coding of the output
 logic for units, IMO.
 
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 C Y wrote:
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@@ -13267,41 +7146,11 @@ diffusivity offhand?) Given the number of unit systems and the number of
 physical quantities, I would opt for not having to know them except the system
 names, or just MYUnitSystem.
 
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 > That is no problem at all. A user can create his/her own unit 
 > system domain by modifying the implemented code for SI or CGS, or 
@@ -13494,44 +7314,11 @@ about it a bit.)
 OK, gotta run to a dinner appointment - I'll reply to the second half
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 Dinner bell just rung for me too. Thanks for the discussions.
 
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 CY,
@@ -13827,38 +7587,10 @@ we develop the specific domains. I'm picturing a diagram
 similar to the endpapers on the Axiom book (or see
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 CY,
@@ -13895,38 +7627,10 @@ a chapter in the Programmer's Guide in the axiom--book--1 tree.
 I wrote a similar chapter for Aldor years ago. I'm not sure if
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 CY,
@@ -13937,39 +7641,12 @@ the same thing. This was done to make the Aldor and Axiom syntax
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 Subject: Dr. Dobbs article
+Cc: Bill Page
 
 Kai,
 
@@ -13977,38 +7654,10 @@ I believe you should try to do the Dr. Dobbs article. Publication is a
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 Bill,
@@ -14026,41 +7675,11 @@ CMU is a different story and all of my Axiom work is nights/weekends.
 If this changes we can list them as a sponsor but please don't do 
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 > Here's one scenario: I start up Axiom and have
@@ -14082,41 +7701,11 @@ output coerce routine can sense the magnitude of the value in the unit and shift
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 > There is no one-to-one conversion from rational expressions of 
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@@ -14268,48 +7857,11 @@ I guess I would prefer to be able to either "use" the SI system, and
 allow local overrides through simple syntax, or "set" the SI system,
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 > It is easy to create functions to reset the units in any domain of
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 Fascinating discussion!
 
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---- William Sit wrote:
+Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
  
 > Actually, we can even do better, without the user doing a
 > setUnitLength(nm), if the only reason to use nm instead of 
@@ -14555,97 +8069,43 @@ Red flag!  Not close to 1 nm.  With autoscaling, the number would have
 stayed near one and the unit would have changed.  Sometimes useful, I
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 02:14:43 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 02:14:43 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
---
-This is a trivial wrapper for the wonderful polymake package from Berlin, http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/ .
-Note that this is rather a proof of concept, so if you think you've got a better design idea, go ahead and comment below.
-So far, only little of the polymake functionality is covered, but it's mostly very easy to extend.
+This is a trivial wrapper for the wonderful polymake package from
+Berlin, http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/ .  Note that this is
+rather a proof of concept, so if you think you've got a better design
+idea, go ahead and comment below.  So far, only little of the polymake
+functionality is covered, but it's mostly very easy to extend.
 
 Usage
 
-  You can find some simple examples in [SandBox polymake]. There, you can also try it out online!
+  You can find some simple examples in [SandBox polymake]. There, you
+  can also try it out online!
 
 Design
 
-  I've decided to communicate with polymake for a start via file I/O, but would be easy to change this if necessary. Every polymake object created is stored with a "canonical" name: For example, if you ask for a cube of dimension 4, axiom will issue the shell command 'cube cube4.poly 4'. Then, when you ask for a property of this cube, for example, the hvector, then the shell command 'polymake cube4.poly H_VECTOR > tmp.poly' is issued. Finally axiom reads the contents of 'tmp.poly' and converts it to the appropriate type. Thus, the only thing that really has to be programmed is a conversion routine for every polymake type. Some of these are trivial, like the Boolean, vector or matrix types, some others need more thought.
-
-
-  Currently there are only two domains: 'Polytope' and 'SimplicialComplex'. If you want a particular polymake property or construction supported, or want to have a new domain like 'Graph', go ahead and change the contents of this file. If you need help, you can always ask me.
+  I've decided to communicate with polymake for a start via file I/O,
+  but would be easy to change this if necessary. Every polymake object
+  created is stored with a "canonical" name: For example, if you ask
+  for a cube of dimension 4, axiom will issue the shell command 'cube
+  cube4.poly 4'. Then, when you ask for a property of this cube, for
+  example, the hvector, then the shell command 'polymake cube4.poly
+  H_VECTOR > tmp.poly' is issued. Finally axiom reads the contents of
+  'tmp.poly' and converts it to the appropriate type. Thus, the only
+  thing that really has to be programmed is a conversion routine for
+  every polymake type. Some of these are trivial, like the Boolean,
+  vector or matrix types, some others need more thought.
+
+
+  Currently there are only two domains: 'Polytope' and
+  'SimplicialComplex'. If you want a particular polymake property or
+  construction supported, or want to have a new domain like 'Graph',
+  go ahead and change the contents of this file. If you need help, you
+  can always ask me.
 
 \begin{axiom}
 )abbrev domain POLYTOPE Polytope
@@ -14867,46 +8327,12 @@ SimplicialComplex(): Exports == Implementation where
 
         s pretend String :: Rep
 \end{axiom}
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-Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
+
+\start
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-Thread-Topic: Re: aldor patches
-Thread-Index: AcWnxfe2Cwgyg60rSBWkiM+WcpiEhAAuH++w
 From: Bill Page
-To: "Peter Broadbery" Peter Broadbery
-Cc: list
-
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-
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-	charset="us-ascii"
+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 Peter,
 
@@ -14972,13 +8398,13 @@ receiving an updated version of your files.
 Thanks.
 
 On Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:38 AM you wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > NB: As expected, I missed a bunch of files and certain ones need
 > to have 'document' run on them explicitly - I'll try to prepare
 > a makefile which explicitly does the document thing first;
 > attrib.as.head.pamphlet contains a minor error in the
 > \author line; & should be a comma or something.
->=20
+>
 
 Regards,
 Bill Page.
@@ -15353,41 +8779,12 @@ LS0xL2ludC9hbGRvci90eXBlbGlzdCcuICBTdG9wLgptYWtlWzFdOiBMZWF2aW5nIGRpcmVjdG9y
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:37:04 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:37:04 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
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 Let's try it out:
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -15395,132 +8792,33 @@ c4:=cube 4
 hVector c4
 \end{axiom}
 
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:41:23 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:41:23 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system cube " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cube " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system cross " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cross " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system rand01 " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand01 " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system rand__sphere " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand__sphere " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F__VECTOR > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F2__VECTOR > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F2__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly H__VECTOR > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly H__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly FACETS > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly FACETS > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly VERTICES > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly VERTICES > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly SIMPLE > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly SIMPLE > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake -A topaz " (s::Rep) ".top FACETS > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake -A topaz " (s::Rep) ".top FACETS > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system boundary__complex " (s pretend String) ".top " (s pretend String) ".poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/boundary__complex " (s pretend String) ".top " (s pretend String) ".poly")_
 
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+\start
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Page, Bill writes:
@@ -15569,34 +8867,10 @@ numbers.
 I grepped my polymake directory for "Illegal instruction" but got no
 match. Where does this come from?
 
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 Subject: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 Dear all,
@@ -15691,42 +8965,10 @@ that there will be anything around that does not have rational vertices.
 
 So what do you think?
 
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 To: Martin Rubey
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Martin,
@@ -15738,7 +8980,7 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:23 AM you wrote:
 > > polymake SOCKET_FILE
 > > polymake HOSTNAME:PORT
 > >
->=20
+>
 > Yes, but I have no idea how to use sockets from an axiom domain.
 > Do you? If so, go ahead and show me a simple example. I can then
 > adapt the domain.
@@ -15752,13 +8994,13 @@ very soon with gcl-2.6.7 and Peter Broadbery's work on Aldor.
 When that is done that I will be able to give you an example
 of sockets in Axiom.
 
->=20
+>
 > > BTW, I think there may be a problem with one of the constructors:
 > >
 > > $ /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand_sphere randsp.poly 2 3
 > > Illegal instruction
 > > $
->=20
+>
 > Hm, on my machine here it works just fine... Except that I need to
 > parametrize the domain, to allow for polytopes with vertices being
 > floats or rational numbers.
@@ -15782,10 +9024,10 @@ rand_sphere randsp.poly 2 3
 
 what are the contents of the randsp.poly file?
 
->=20
+>
 > I grepped my polymake directory for "Illegal instruction" but got
 > no match. Where does this come from?
->=20
+>
 
 This is an error message from the linux operating system indicating
 that the program tried to execute an illegal machine instruction (i.e.
@@ -15796,35 +9038,10 @@ error.
 This problem might be solved if we could just re-compile the programs
 from source code.
 
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Hi Bill,
@@ -15901,49 +9118,16 @@ Yes. but the developers themselves say that this is at least very time
 consuming, if you don't have enough memory on your machine. Well, I guess you
 have...
 
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+To: Martin Rubey
+Subject: RE: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 Martin,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:49 AM you wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > Now the problem is as follows: the type of the elements of the
 > matrix depends on the polytope. For some polytopes, they are
 > Integers, for others rationals or floats, or both.
@@ -15968,7 +9152,7 @@ Integer)
 but note that for some reason
 
 (11) -> x: TwoDimensionalArray Union (Integer, Float, Fraction Integer)
-:=3Dnew(2,2,0)
+:=new(2,2,0)
 
    (1)  [0,0,0,0]
           Type: TwoDimensionalArray Union(Integer,Float,Fraction
@@ -15986,91 +9170,59 @@ I think there are two possible bug reports here:
 
 Do you agree?
 
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 To: Martin Rubey
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Martin,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:00 AM you wrote:
->=20
+>
 > lot of traffic today, eh?
->=20
+>
 
 Yah, we're making up for lost time. :)
 
 > I wrote:
 >  >
 >  > I don't understand what you mean by "parameterize the domain".
->=20
+>
 > The polymake domain currently has
->=20
+>
 >      vertices: % -> Matrix Integer
->=20
+>
 > This cannot work, since the vertices are not always integers.
 > See my other post.
 
 Yes, I understand. But this is a separate problem. The problem
 that I mention below is a program abort in a polymake constructor.
 
->=20
->=20
+>
+>
 >  > On your computer if you type:
 >  >
 >  > rand_sphere randsp.poly 2 3
 >  >
 >  > what are the contents of the randsp.poly file?
->=20
+>
 > depends on the seed, obviously...
->=20
+>
 > _application polytope
 > _version 2.1.0
 > _type RationalPolytope
->=20
+>
 > AMBIENT_DIM
 > 2
->=20
+>
 > POINTS
 > 1 -0.063018 -0.998012
 > 1 0.840255 0.542191
 
 On the axiom-developer server the result is just "Illegal instruction".
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > might it be that you got the wrong RPM?
 >
 
@@ -16079,7 +9231,7 @@ systems.
 
 > > This problem might be solved if we could just re-compile the
 > > programs from source code.
->=20
+>
 > Yes. but the developers themselves say that this is at least very
 > time consuming, if you don't have enough memory on your machine.
 > Well, I guess you have...
@@ -16091,43 +9243,11 @@ a couple of hours?
 Anyway as far as I can tell, there are some errors in the polymake
 source code. I would be glad to discuss this with the developers.
 
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 I am jumping in here, so excuse me if comments are out of context.
 
@@ -16155,34 +9275,11 @@ matrices.
 
 Seems like a bug.
 
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 Page, Bill writes:
  > I think there are two possible bug reports here:
@@ -16204,42 +9301,11 @@ common supertype is asking for quite a lot and is probably error prone.
 
 Yes.
 
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+Subject: RE: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 William,
 
@@ -16250,7 +9316,7 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:03 AM William Sitt wrote:
 > >
 > > 1) Union ( list of alternatives that are coercible to some ring )
 > >    should be a RING
->=20
+>
 > No! In your case, where the arguments of the union form an ascending
 > chain of rings, that would be true. In general, you cannot do
 arithmetic
@@ -16260,83 +9326,31 @@ INT).
 You are right. I was wrong. I didn't stop to think about it long enough.
 Thanks.
 
->=20
+>
 > The best one can do in Martin's case would be, as you noted,
->=20
+>
 >    Union(MATRIX INT, MATRIX FRAC INT, MATRIX FLOAT)
->=20
+>
 
 Yes, that seems workable to me.
 
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 should display a rectangular array of numbers.
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 Page, Bill writes:
@@ -16377,43 +9391,14 @@ Pentium architecture used in SuSE by default, i586 is optimized for Pentium 4,
 and athlon for AMD Athlon XP. Be sure to pick the package most suitable to your
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 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:38 AM I wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > I will download and install the i586 version and see if that corrects
 > the problem.
 >
@@ -16439,79 +9424,47 @@ POINTS
 BOUNDED
 1
 
-[root@axiom-developer page]#=20
+[root@axiom-developer page]#
 
 ------
 
 So it's over to you to solve the result data type problem.
 
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-Thread-Topic: Polymake needs permission to write a file
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 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-Cc: list
 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Martin,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:21 AM you wrote:
->=20
+>
 > Page, Bill writes:
->=20
+>
 >  > I don't think so. The developers only provide one rpm file for
 linux
 >  > systems.
->=20
+>
 > No: Quoting http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/download_choice.html
->=20
+>
 > Binary packages for RedHat, SuSE, and other Linux distributions with
 > RPM-based software management
->=20
+>
 > End user package
 > polymake-2.1.0-2.athlon.rpm 10046242 20:32 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-2.1.0-2.i586.rpm 8716518 19:53 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-2.1.0-2.i686.rpm 9995110 21:11 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > Developer package
 > polymake-devel-2.1.0-2.athlon.rpm 878609 20:32 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-devel-2.1.0-2.i586.rpm 934404 19:53 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-devel-2.1.0-2.i686.rpm 877174 21:11 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 
 Yes, for different *hardware* but not different versions of linux.
 
@@ -16535,51 +9488,17 @@ Did you install the i586 version?
 I will download and install the i586 version and see if that corrects
 the problem.
 
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-To: "Kai Kaminski" 
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-Subject: AxiomUI graphics (was: [Zaheda Bhorat] SOC
-	Project Articles for Doctor Dobbs Journal)
+To: Kai Kaminski
+Subject: AxiomUI graphics (was: [Zaheda Bhorat] SOC Project Articles for Doctor Dobbs Journal)
+Cc: Bob McElrath
 
 Kai,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:02 AM I wrote:
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 > > ...
 > > 3. Change the high-level drawing code, so that instead of calling
 > >    the low-level drawing code it just prints the list lists of
@@ -16592,18 +9511,18 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:02 AM I wrote:
 > > and modified that. It actually seems to work. Right now I'm
 > > integrating this with the gui, so that on startup uidraw.spad gets
 > > loaded.
->=20
+>
 > Excellent. That is exactly the right way to proceed.
 >
 
 It occurs to me to ask if you are already familiar with the following
 Axiom commands:
 
-vp1:=3Ddraw(sin(x), x=3D%pi/10..%pi)
-g1:=3DgetGraph(vp1,1)
+vp1:=draw(sin(x), x=%pi/10..%pi)
+g1:=getGraph(vp1,1)
 pointLists(g1)
 ...
-g2:=3DmakeGraphImage(lineSegments, lineColors, pointColors, lineSize)
+g2:=makeGraphImage(lineSegments, lineColors, pointColors, lineSize)
 pointLists(g2)
 
 See for example
@@ -16612,37 +9531,12 @@ http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomGraphics
 
 Perhaps uidraw is producing output similar to this?
 
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+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:08:28 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI graphics
-From: Kai Kaminski
-	(Bill Page's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:21:01 -0400")
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:08:28 +0200
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 Bill Page writes:
@@ -16679,38 +9573,11 @@ approach. The problem with this is that it messes up the history.
 Luckily uidraw.spad is just draw.spad with a few lines added. It's
 fairly trivial, really.
 
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@@ -16866,38 +9733,11 @@ have to teach the interpreter to recognize these special names.
 
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@@ -17095,50 +9908,11 @@ Definitely. We can have a nanosytem domain, and other domains of UnitSystem(S)
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-Cc: 
-Subject: [#200 display of TwoDimensionalArray of type
-	Union(...) is not properly formatted] 
+Subject: [#200 display of TwoDimensionalArray of type Union(...) is not properly formatted] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/200DisplayOfTwoDimensionalArrayOfTypeUnionIsNotProperlyFormatted/diff
---
 I debugged this a little but hit a wall. In 'ARR2CAT' you find the appropriate conversion operation::
 
     if R has CoercibleTo(OutputForm) then
@@ -17731,187 +10477,12 @@ which can be seen by looking at:
 n:TwoDimensionalArray Union(Integer, Float):=new(2,2,0)
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 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Unit package question - part 2
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package question - part 2
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -18104,51 +10675,11 @@ accomidate it.
 
 Heh - well, that's certainly fair enough :-).
 
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-Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
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-Thread-Topic: Re: aldor patches
-Thread-Index: AcWo2FYA5ERDOPaTQliuHjsH3xl90gAGFlzQ
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-To: "Peter Broadbery" Peter Broadbery
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+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: Re: aldor patches
 
 Peter,
 
@@ -18158,19 +10689,19 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:19 PM you wrote:
 > >   Aldor code
 > >   \end{aldor}
 > >
->=20
+>
 > This ought to work, but not immediately; One problem may be compiling
 > several aldor stanzas together - in this case you need to be able to
 > refer to earlier stanzas within the aldor block.
->=20
+>
 > Eg:
->=20
+>
 > \begin{aldor}
-> 	AldorCat: Category =3D=3D with { funstuff }
+> 	AldorCat: Category == with { funstuff }
 > \end{aldor}
->=20
+>
 > \begin{aldor}
-> 	AldorDomain: AldorCat with { ... } =3D=3D add { ... }
+> 	AldorDomain: AldorCat with { ... } == add { ... }
 > \end{aldor}
 >
 
@@ -18210,14 +10741,14 @@ to Axiom commands? Can more than one .ao file be generate per run
 of the Aldor compiler? Is it sufficient if they are saved in the
 current working directory?
 
->=20
+>
 > >
 > > In the log file you will note that the make failes starting
 > > at this point:
 > >
 > > ...
 > > /home/page/repository/axiom--main--1/src/aldor/Make.rules:31:
->=20
+>
 > Yes, this is due to me not testing stuff terribly well.  I've sent Tim
 a
 > new .tgz - appended below.
@@ -18859,41 +11390,11 @@ b3IvZGVwX3NwYWQuc3RhbXBdIEVycm9yIDIKbWFrZVsxXTogTGVhdmluZyBkaXJlY3RvcnkgYC9o
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 Axiom Developers;
 
@@ -18907,101 +11408,17 @@ http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/UnitsAndDimensions
 The authors (and other interested parties!) are invited to review
 these wiki pages and update/correct/edit them as seems appropriate.
 New pages on this subject can also easily be added. I would like
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-??changed:
--generated by the ToughGraph navigator interface should give you
-generated by the TouchGraph navigator interface should give you
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+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:13:00 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:13:00 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [MathAction] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/MathAction/diff
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-??changed:
--Web Site
--
--  The !MathAction development home page is --
--  http://page.axiom-developer.org
--
--  The Axiom Portal is at --
--  http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/Plone
--
--  This web site is --
--  http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction
--
--  The test and development version of !MathAction is --
--  http://test.axiom-developer.org
--
--  The development repository (darcs) for !MathAction is --
--  MathActionRepository
 !TouchGraph Navigator
 
   MathAction has grown rapidly over the last year. This grpahic
@@ -19011,27 +11428,6 @@ available here.
 
 
 
-??changed:
--From unknown Thu Jul 28 06:11:53 -0500 2005
--From: unknown
--Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:11:53 -0500
--Subject: 
--Message-ID: <20050728061153-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>
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--\begin{axiom}
--
--\end{axiom}
--
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--From unknown Thu Jul 28 06:12:16 -0500 2005
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--Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:12:16 -0500
--Subject: test
--Message-ID: <20050728061216-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>
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--\begin{axiom}
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   The !MathAction development home page is --
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   The development repository (darcs) for !MathAction is --
   MathActionRepository
 
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-Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -19222,46 +11589,11 @@ good training.)  For "real world" use, that case is not terribly
 useful, and Axiom is definitely not focused on introductory student
 problems :-).
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -19322,46 +11654,11 @@ is one of the real benefits of a system like Axiom - it forces you to
 think deeply about what you are really trying to do.  (Or at least, to
 work at understanding others who are up to the deep thinking ;-)
 
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+To: Bill Page
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 --- Bill Page wrote:
 
@@ -19391,49 +11688,11 @@ archive is stable and readily available it would probably be cleaner to
 focus the wiki page on the actual workable design related emails, with
 links to the discussion tree for other stuff.)
 
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+Subject: RE: Unit package question
 
 C Y,
 
@@ -19444,7 +11703,7 @@ C Y,
 > > New pages on this subject can also easily be added. I would like
 > > these pages to gradually evolve to reflect design decisions and
 > > trial code segments as this package is developed.
->=20
+>
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:20 PM you asked:
 
@@ -19460,7 +11719,7 @@ history - except perhaps for attribution of relevant ideas to
 original authors etc. This usually means that some (now irrelevant)
 parts of the discussion, proposals and experimental code should
 actually be deleted after the direction is clear and more
-well-advanced.=20
+well-advanced.
 
 > (I must confess I'm not really sure how archiving of Axiom's
 > email system works, since I just save most of them myself on
@@ -19502,45 +11761,19 @@ can quickly understand the main points (that what the wiki pages
 are good for), rather than just record the complete and verbose
 history (that's what the dumb archives are good for).
 
->=20
+>
 > Good idea!
->=20
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 Thanks. I hope that it helps your project. Please feel free to
 change and edit the contents of these pages as suits your own
 purposes. :)
 
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 Subject: Re: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
-	<430C8C2E.7B340E8C@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 
  > )abbrev domain POLYTOPE Polytope
  > Polytope(R: Ring): Exports == Implementation where
@@ -19570,34 +11803,10 @@ By the way, is there a reason for constructing a nullary function
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 Subject: strict vs. fuzzy Axiom
 
 > C Y wrote:
@@ -19645,84 +11854,21 @@ provide enough information.
 One approach could be like that...
 http://www-sop.inria.fr/cafe/Manuel.Bronstein/sumit/sumitdoc/node628.html
 
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-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:57:55 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [SymbolicIntegration] integrate(exp(x)/x^2)
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/SymbolicIntegration/diff
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 Axiom does not perform the integration (while it perform the integration of exp(x)/x ), but the integration can be given in terms of Ei(x)
 
 integrate(exp(x)/x^2,x)  -->  Ei(x)-exp(x)/x 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:51:26 +0100
 From: Peter Broadbery
 To: Bill Page
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:51:26 +0100
-Cc: list
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:48 -0400, Page, Bill wrote:
 > Peter,
@@ -19849,44 +11995,12 @@ Once to run document on everything, then for the dependency graphs, and
 then once more to build the library.  However, this may well still need
 a more recent make.
 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:14:57 -0500
 From: MathAction (Stefano Simonucci)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:14:57 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Non elementary integration 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Hi.
 In the axiom manual I find
 
@@ -19915,88 +12029,32 @@ integrate(exp(x)/x^2,x) --> Ei(x)-exp(x)/x
 But from the manual I deduce that exp(x)/x^2  can be prooved not 
 elementary integrable. Why  exp(x)/x  is integrable while  exp(x)/x^2 not?
 
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+\start
+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:07:38 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:07:38 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] Derive
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
---
-Except for Reduce (by the kind permission of it's author) we do not have any commerical software on MathAction. I did approach both MapleSoft (Maple developers) and Wolfram (Mathematica developers) to see if they would provide a copy of their software and allow us to integrate it here on MathAction. But so far Maplesoft has officially (but respectfully) declined and Wolfram did not even reply to my email.
+Except for Reduce (by the kind permission of it's author) we do not
+have any commerical software on MathAction. I did approach both
+MapleSoft (Maple developers) and Wolfram (Mathematica developers) to
+see if they would provide a copy of their software and allow us to
+integrate it here on MathAction. But so far Maplesoft has officially
+(but respectfully) declined and Wolfram did not even reply to my
+email.
 
-Apparently Derive is only available for Windows systems. Development of Derive seems to have essentially stopped.
+Apparently Derive is only available for Windows systems. Development
+of Derive seems to have essentially stopped.
 
-How much does Derive cost? What are it's significant features compared to Axiom? Maple? Mathematica?
+How much does Derive cost? What are it's significant features compared
+to Axiom? Maple? Mathematica?
 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:24:47 -0500
 From: MathAction (Martin Rubey)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:24:47 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Non elementary integration 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Dear Stefano,
 
 Stefano Simonucci writes:
@@ -20040,49 +12098,12 @@ http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/199IntegrateExpX2ExpXXX
 
 The first patch is hidden in a comment, you'll have to look for it.
 
-Martin
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:39:04 -0500
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 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:39:04 -0500
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-Subject: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] Non elementary
-	integration
+Subject:  Non elementary integration
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Stefano,
 
 The key words are "elementary function". Some integration is done by
@@ -20095,44 +12116,11 @@ exp(x)/x^2 cannot be integrated into this form. Axiom does some
 integration by pattern matching and it appears that the pattern
 matcher does not know exp(x)/x^2
 
-Tim
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 From: Bill Page
-To: "Peter Broadbery" Peter Broadbery
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+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 Executive Summary:
 
@@ -20140,17 +12128,17 @@ Executive Summary:
   but we are missing an include file named 'axiom...'
 
 On Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:51 AM Peter Broadbery wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > The only compiler output will be error messages from the compiler;
 > If you call the compiler via axiom (ie. ')co aldor-section.as'),
-> then an axiom prompt should be a perfectly good separator.=20
+> then an axiom prompt should be a perfectly good separator.
 >
 
 Ah, yes I see. That would be real easy for me to integrate with
 MathAction. If we *only* provide Aldor compilation via axiom
 (as opposed to directly calling the compiler) is this a significant
 limitation? Or is this the expected mode of interaction?
-=20
+
 > > The use of 'include' files above should handle this case, right?
 > >
 > Yep.
@@ -20166,7 +12154,7 @@ know the names of previous Aldor compiles return? Maybe this will
 be more clear once I actually have Aldor running inside Axiom and
 get a chance to play with it.
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > I'm using SuSE 9.2; the make version is 3.80 (you may have the
 > previous version; 3.80 was released in october 2002).
 
@@ -20212,7 +12200,7 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory
 
 ----------
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > the java program currently just spits out sets of mutually dependent
 > domains, and is just there to help make on its way.
 >
@@ -20220,12 +12208,12 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory
 In contrast to Tim Daly, I am very much in favor of this approach
 to building a complex system like Axiom. I would like to see this
 done in the Axiom build. But that is another story. :)
-=20
+
 > One way of simplifying matters would be to invoke 3 sequential
 > builds; Once to run document on everything, then for the dependency
 > graphs, and then once more to build the library.  However, this may
 > well still need a more recent make.
->=20
+>
 
 Yes, I upgraded to gnu make 3.8. That might well be a factor in
 the successful completion of your aldor/axiom build.
@@ -20307,43 +12295,12 @@ Oops. I seem to be missing an include file named 'axiom...'.
 Or maybe in the Patch-44 distribution it is looking in the
 wrong place. Where do I get that?
 
-Thanks for your help!
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+From: MathAction (Ed Borasky)
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+Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] [other Computer Algebra systems] Derive
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
---
 List price for Derive is about $200US and student price is about $100US. 
 Its core-level mathematical capabilities are equivalent to nearly every 
 "general" CAS out there, and anything you can implement in them can be 
@@ -20373,28 +12330,14 @@ that too ... :)
 
 Bill Page wrote:
 
->Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
->--
 >Except for Reduce (by the kind permission of it's author) we do not have any commerical software on MathAction. I did approach both MapleSoft (Maple developers) and Wolfram (Mathematica developers) to see if they would provide a copy of their software and allow us to integrate it here on MathAction. But so far Maplesoft has officially (but respectfully) declined and Wolfram did not even reply to my email.
 >
 >Apparently Derive is only available for Windows systems. Development of Derive seems to have essentially stopped.
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 >How much does Derive cost? What are it's significant features compared to Axiom? Maple? Mathematica?
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 http://www.borasky-research.net/
 http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/
@@ -20403,52 +12346,21 @@ http://pdxneurosemantics.com
 http://pdx-sales-coach.com
 http://algocompsynth.com
 
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+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 Peter,
 
 On Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:53 AM I wrote:
->=20
+>
 > Executive Summary:
->=20
+>
 >   The axiom/aldor build seems to have completed successfully
 >   but we are missing an include file named 'axiom...'
->=20
+>
 
 Ok, I followed step 2. from Martin's web page:
 
@@ -20471,10 +12383,10 @@ Bill Page.
 > > The problem seems to be that Make.functions hasn't been generated
 > > from Make.functions.pamphlet; if you do this manually, it'll get
 > > further.
->=20
+>
 > Yes that did it! The Aldor/Axiom build has now in the process of
 > compiling the Axiom library. What I did was the following:
->=20
+>
 >   1) Built Axiom from axiom--main--1--Patch-44
 >   2) cd src; tar xzvf src_aldor.tgz
 >   3) document Makefile.pamphlet
@@ -20482,581 +12394,25 @@ Bill Page.
 >   5) touch .../aldor/int/dep_spad.stamp
 >   6) document Make.functions.pamphlet
 >   7) make
->=20
+>
 > > However, this may well still need a more recent make.
 > >
->=20
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 > Yes, I upgraded to gnu make 3.8. That might well be a factor in
 > the successful completion of your aldor/axiom build.
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 Yes, it's possible. The book includes figures.
 see src/doc/book.pamphlet
 
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 Pamphlet files are latex files with three additional pieces of syntax:
 
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 Dear Andrey,
 
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 --- Martin Rubey wrote:
 
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-From: root Tim Daly
+From: Tim Daly
 To: Andrey G. Grozin
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 Subject: Re: steps towards better TeXmacs interface
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 > 1. What is the correct file to put the definition and initialisation of 
 >    $InterfaceStrings ?
@@ -22263,39 +13130,11 @@ information is the lisp data structure.
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+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: steps towards better TeXmacs interface
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 C Y writes:
  > I think I know what Andrey is thinking about here.  Let's say we have
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+Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:28:40 -0400
 From: Bill Page
-To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey
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 Subject: RE: steps towards better TeXmacs interface
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 On August 26, 2005 4:00 PM Martin Rubey wrote:
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@@ -22448,42 +13261,15 @@ intelligent editor/user interface. All of the NAG OpenMath code
 is availabe but has not (yet) been integrated into the open source
 version of Axiom.
 
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 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [reading structures from a file] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFile/diff
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-This package provides operations that all take a filename and return an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation in this file. Geared towards polymake.
+This package provides operations that all take a filename and return
+an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation
+in this file. Geared towards polymake.
 
 \begin{axiom}
 )abbrev package READFILE ReadFile
@@ -22594,39 +13380,13 @@ ReadFile(): Exports == Implementation where
         close!(f)$TextFile
         reverse m
 \end{axiom}
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 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [string conversions] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/StringConversions/diff
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 Here is a package that converts strings to numbers. It is only to be considered as a starting point. There is no error checking, it is probably slow and certainly buggy...
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -22687,192 +13447,34 @@ Let's try it:
 \begin{axiom}
 coerce("123.12")@FRAC INT
 \end{axiom}
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 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [reading structures from a file] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFile/diff
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 This package provides operations that all take a filename and return an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation in this file. Geared towards polymake. Needs 'StringConversions'
 
 \begin{axiom}
 )lib STRCNV
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-From: root Tim Daly
+From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: gcl-2.6.7 and FC4
 
 GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4.
 I'm trying to debug it now but I thought I'd mention it in case
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 To: Tim Daly
 From: Camm Maguire
-Date: 26 Aug 2005 18:03:03 -0400
-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.7 and FC4
 
 Greetings!
@@ -22890,66 +13492,20 @@ root Tim Daly writes:
 > GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4.
 > I'm trying to debug it now but I thought I'd mention it in case
 > anyone already knows why.
-> 
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> 
 
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+\start
+Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:56:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:56:01 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
---
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-++added:
-
 \begin{axiom}
 )lib STRCNV READFILE
 \end{axiom}
 
-++added:
     Cardinal ==> NonNegativeInteger
     Scalar   ==> Fraction Integer
 
-
---removed:
--      facets: % -> Matrix Integer
--
--      vertices: % -> Matrix Integer
--
-
-++added:
       points: % -> Matrix Scalar
       ++ Points such that the polyhedron is their convex hull. Redundancies are
       ++ allowed. Vector (x0 x1 .. xd) represents a point in (d+1)-space
@@ -23017,9 +13573,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
       bounded: % -> Boolean 
       ++ True if the polyhedron is a bounded polytope. 
 
---      boundedGraph: % -> Graph 
---    ++ Graph of the bounded subcomplex. 
-
       centered: % -> Boolean 
       ++ True if (1,0,0,..) is a relative interior point. Polar to BOUNDED. 
 
@@ -23027,8 +13580,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
       ++ True if all vertices of the polyhedron have non-negative coordinates,
       ++ that is, it lies entirely in the positive orthant.
 
-
-++added:
       polydir: String := "/tmp/"
 
       polytmp: String := polydir "tmp.poly"
@@ -23037,28 +13588,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
 
       polytmpfile:FileName := polytmp::FileName
 
-
-??changed:
--      String2ListInteger: String -> List Integer
--      
--      String2ListInteger r ==
--        map(PARSE_-INTEGER(#1)$Lisp, split(r, char(" "))$String)_
--          $FiniteLinearAggregateFunctions2(String, List String, Integer, _
--                                           List Integer)
--
--      getBoolean: () -> Boolean
--
--      getBoolean ==
--        f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
--        read!(f)$TextFile
--        r:String := read!(f)$TextFile
--        close!(f)$TextFile
--
--        (r="1")
--
--      getIntegerList: () -> List Integer
--
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       polycons: (String, String, String) -> %
       polycons(rep, cmd, prm) ==
         systemCommand("system " polylib cmd " " polydir rep ".poly " prm)_
@@ -23067,29 +13596,11 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
 
       polyprop: (%, String) -> Void
       polyprop(rep, cmd) ==
-        systemCommand("system " polylib "polymake " polydir (rep::Rep) ".poly "_
+       systemCommand("system " polylib "polymake " polydir (rep::Rep) ".poly "_
                       cmd " > " polytmp)$MoreSystemCommands
 
-??changed:
--        s: String := "cube" string(n)
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cube " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
         polycons("cube" string(n), "cube", string(n))
 
-??changed:
--        s: String := "cross" string(n)
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cross " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
--
--      rand01(d, n)  == 
--        s: String := "rand01" string(d) string(n) 
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand01 " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
--
--      randSphere(d, n)  == 
--        s: String := "randsphere" string(d) string(n)
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand__sphere " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
         polycons("cross" string(n), "cross", string(n))
 
       rand01(d, n) == 
@@ -23100,33 +13611,12 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polycons("randsphere" string(d) string(n), "rand__sphere", _
                  string(d) " " string(n))
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--      
--        getIntegerVector()
         polyprop(s, "F__VECTOR")
         getVectorInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F2__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--      
--        getIntegerMatrix()
         polyprop(s, "F2__VECTOR")
         getMatrixInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly H__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--        
--        getIntegerVector()
--
--      facets s ==
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly FACETS > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--        
--        getIntegerMatrix()
         polyprop(s, "H__VECTOR")
         getVectorInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
@@ -23138,27 +13628,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "POINTS")
         getMatrixFraction(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly VERTICES > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--        
--        getIntegerMatrix()
--
--      simple s == 
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly SIMPLE > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--
--        getBoolean()
--
--)abbrev domain TOPAZ SimplicialComplex
--SimplicialComplex(): Exports == Implementation where
--    Exports == with
--
--      coerce: % -> OutputForm
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----                  topaz constructions                                      --
--[59 more lines...]
         polyprop(s, "VERTICES")
         getMatrixFraction(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
@@ -23227,47 +13696,10 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "POSITIVE")
         getBoolean(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
---removed:
--
-
-??changed:
--c4:=cube 4
--hVector c4
-c := cube 4
-systemCommand("system cat /tmp/cube4.poly")$MoreSystemCommands
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+To: Juho Snellman
 Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.6.7 and FC4
 
 Greetings!
@@ -23299,7 +13731,7 @@ it would appear.
 Take care,
 
 
-Juho Snellman  writes:
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+Subject: JavaView - Interactive 3D Geometry and	Visualization
 
 http://www.javaview.de
 
@@ -23404,37 +13798,10 @@ on the use or duplication of the code.
 Does anyone know whether it might be possible to consider
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 Subject: RE: Mathaction and polymake problem
 
 Sending this also to axiom-developer...
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 On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, C Y wrote:
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@@ -23535,45 +13872,14 @@ On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, C Y wrote:
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+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:25:46 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:25:46 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [reading structures from a file] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFile/diff
---
-
-++added:
       getFraction: FileName -> Fraction Integer
 
-
-++added:
-
       getFraction polytmpfile ==
         f := open(polytmpfile)$TextFile
         read!(f)$TextFile
@@ -23582,78 +13888,22 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFi
 
         coerce(r)$StringConversions
 
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 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:32:45 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [build Axiom] cvs problem
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/BuildAxiom/diff
---
 cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom
 nongnu.org: Operation timed out
 cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
 
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+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:29:21 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:29:21 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] link broken
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 Bill:
 
 The links to April-2005-Sources 
@@ -23662,40 +13912,12 @@ http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/
 
 and February-2005-Sources on this page are broken.
 
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+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:15:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:15:01 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] Re: link broken
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 William,
 
 I just tested and both of these links worked fine for me but they
@@ -23708,135 +13930,32 @@ using? What error message did you get?
 Anyway, I changed the links to remove the 'http:' prefix which seems
 to work better in some cases. Let me know if it works for you now.
 
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+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:11:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:11:01 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [AxiomDownload] Maybe a problem with http: prefix
-	without machine name
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
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-??changed:
--sources":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources
 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources
 
-??changed:
--  * "February 2005 sources":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-20050201-src.tgz&it=February+2005+source+code
   * "February 2005 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-20050201-src.tgz&it=February+2005+source+code
 
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As a reminder, feel free to ignore me since you are clearly much further and better versed in this than I am. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBRUE-00024t-Fe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:26:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBRTc-00021p-Qw - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:26:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBRTY-00021I-0t - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:26:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBRSe-0001lj-9s - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:25:09 -0400 -Received: from [209.226.175.97] (helo=tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBRCA-0000fx-6t - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:08:06 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([207.236.11.156]) by tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net - (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP - id <20050903060441.PORR1799.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.0.100]>; - Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:04:41 -0400 -Subject: Re: Function definition crashes Axiom +Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:04:21 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Kai Kaminski -Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:04:21 -0400 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Function definition crashes Axiom Kai, @@ -5360,38 +3680,11 @@ Break 1 [2]> 5~ Can you let me know if I am doing something wrong or if you missed something in the build? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBWbi-00060Y-3t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:54:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBWbb-0005za-2K - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:54:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBWbW-0005z5-Hd - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:54:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBWbT-0005y1-G9 - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:54:37 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBWaN-0002AR-Hd - for list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:53:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Sep 2005 11:50:01 -0000 -Received: from p549F723E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.114.62] - by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 03 Sep 2005 13:50:01 +0200 +Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:50:38 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Function definition crashes Axiom - <1125727461.5792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski - message of "Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:04:21 -0400") -Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:50:38 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -5427,37 +3720,11 @@ did indeed not exist, but the file axiom-com.lisp did, so it wasn't rebuild. Hence the solution is to delete axiom-com.lisp (or call 'make clean') and then call 'make all' again -Kai - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBm6I-0008VF-9t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:27:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBm6G-0008RC-22 - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:27:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBm38-0007J2-Q2 - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:24:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBm2w-0006qz-CT - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:23:58 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.40] (helo=vms040pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBm1w-0001wI-9Q - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:22:56 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.160.194]) - by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix - 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id - <0IM900CSOYO3EL81@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:19:16 -0500 (CDT) + +\start Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:19:17 -0400 From: William Sit -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Message-id: <431A75C5.7097F315@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Union Tim: @@ -5466,59 +3733,27 @@ If I am given list:=["Yes","No"] -is there a way to construct Union("Yes","No") from list using some Lisp or Axiom -command? - -William - - +is there a way to construct Union("Yes","No") from list using some +Lisp or Axiom command? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBn3v-0006Tz-0a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:29:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBn3s-0006TF-OZ - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:29:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBn3n-0006R1-HP - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:29:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBn3n-0006Qk-E3 - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:28:55 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.48] (helo=vms048pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBn16-0004mn-J0 - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:26:09 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.160.194]) - by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix - 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id - <0IMA0004W1LKQHW0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:22:34 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions (was Unit - package question - Part 1) To: Cliff Yapp -Message-id: <431A849A.F14B49E4@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions (was Unit package question - Part 1) Dear C.Y.: -Thanks for your comments. I have combined your two responses and rearrang= -ed the -order of your comments in the responses below to avoid as much duplicatio= -n as +Thanks for your comments. I have combined your two responses and rearranged the +order of your comments in the responses below to avoid as much duplication as possible. However, to present a more or less logically ordered and -self-contained version for others not familiar (or confused) with our ear= -lier +self-contained version for others not familiar (or confused) with our earlier discussions, I have quoted some earlier email paragraphs as well. ---------- General discussion on documentation C Y wrote: -> = - +> > --- William Sit wrote: > > you have already started real work. > = @@ -5537,212 +3772,138 @@ Tim will love you! > = > I hope so, although I suspect your ideas are far more useful than my -> own - I'm just asking questions and swatting user level features around= - +> own - I'm just asking questions and swatting user level features around > in my head at this point. The hard part (and interesting part) is > expressing them in relation to Axiom's mathematical rigor. -You are welcome to ignore or include in your work/paper any ideas I prese= -nted on -this forum. +You are welcome to ignore or include in your work/paper any ideas I +presented on this forum. -The hardest part is knowing questions to ask, and second is figuring out = -the -answers; the easiest (though by no means trivial) is to code the solution= -s. +The hardest part is knowing questions to ask, and second is figuring out the +answers; the easiest (though by no means trivial) is to code the solutions. > > After waiting a short period of further > > discussions, a summary of the final design should be posted at > > MathAction for others to comment on. -> = - -> Sounds good. I apologize in advance for how basic some of my questions= +> Sounds good. I apologize in advance for how basic some of my questions > below will be - I tried to review as much as possible of earlier > discussions, but I may have regressed some after a rather busy week at > work. -No need to apologize (though I sometimes do myself). I too have short (if= - any) -memory. and tends to repeat myself -- what do you expect from an old guy = -:-)? +No need to apologize (though I sometimes do myself). I too have short + (if any) memory. and tends to repeat myself -- what do you expect + from an old guy :-)? ---------- Basics of the proposal: Representation of UnitSystem domains William wrote: = -> > Rep:=3DRecord(value:S, dim:Dimension, unit:Unit, factor:(Float, St= -ring), +> > Rep:=Record(value:S, dim:Dimension, unit:Unit, factor:(Float, String), > > absfactor:(Float, String)) -> > = - -> >My original proposed Rep is simpler because I was not planning for dyn= -amic -> >changes to the unit system, so unit and factor (which would be 1 alway= -s) are -> >"hard-wired". The more general record allows more flexibility. This is= - slightly -> >less efficient in terms of storage, but not that bad, because no matte= -r what, -> >somewhere, the system has to store the conversion factors. The convers= -ion -> >factors can probably be implemented in a UnitConversion domain, which = -would be a -> >lookup table (maybe tables), which drives the 'setDimUnit' and 'setUni= -t' -> >commands. Axiom has a number of data structures with extensive tools t= -o create +> > +> >My original proposed Rep is simpler because I was not planning for dynamic +> >changes to the unit system, so unit and factor (which would be 1 always) are +> >"hard-wired". The more general record allows more flexibility. This is slightly +> >less efficient in terms of storage, but not that bad, because no matter what, +> >somewhere, the system has to store the conversion factors. The conversion +> >factors can probably be implemented in a UnitConversion domain, which would be a +> >lookup table (maybe tables), which drives the 'setDimUnit' and 'setUnit' +> >commands. Axiom has a number of data structures with extensive tools to create > >lookup tables (see domains of category TableAggregate in table.spad). C Y wrote: -> That sounds good, I think - I would propose using this more general, fl= -exible -> representation only in a single instance of a Dynamic UnitSystem - SI a= -nd CGS +> That sounds good, I think - I would propose using this more general, flexible +> representation only in a single instance of a Dynamic UnitSystem - SI and CGS > wouldn't need it, if I understand correctly. -This comment of yours is based on your breaking up UnitSystem into Static= - and -Dynamic Unit System. This is certainly possible, but see my comments in t= -he -section on Static vs Dynamic user environment, which will list some pros = -and +This comment of yours is based on your breaking up UnitSystem into Static and +Dynamic Unit System. This is certainly possible, but see my comments in the +section on Static vs Dynamic user environment, which will list some pros and cons on this break up. -> >In the new Rep, besides the unit, two factors are included: One relati= -ve to the -> >current system (to provide a relative factor to convert within this sy= -stem when -> >a user changes a unit), and one relative to SI (to provide an absolute= - factor to -> >convert between systems: for SI derived unit system, just one factor w= -ould -> >suffice; but we should aim for uniformity to simplify the code). = - - -> I think the latter is a matter of convenience - converting relative to = -the -> current system is also doable via input unit -> SI -> output unit - if = -I -> understand you what you are doing is precompressing this two step proce= -ss -> into one for the default "output" system? -> = +> >In the new Rep, besides the unit, two factors are included: One relative to the +> >current system (to provide a relative factor to convert within this system when +> >a user changes a unit), and one relative to SI (to provide an absolute factor to +> >convert between systems: for SI derived unit system, just one factor would +> >suffice; but we should aim for uniformity to simplify the code). +> I think the latter is a matter of convenience - converting relative to the +> current system is also doable via input unit -> SI -> output unit - if I +> understand you what you are doing is precompressing this two step process +> into one for the default "output" system? +> -The relative factor can either be built-in for the UnitSystem domain, or = -via the -SI mechanism. But we have to remember that SI is not universal (supermark= -et -manager example). So a relative factor setup solves the general situation= - and is -also more efficient. The SI approach is mainly for scientific application= -s AND -conversion between two drastically different systems. Believe me, in less= - than -30 years, symbolic computations will be used by economists, if not alread= -y. +The relative factor can either be built-in for the UnitSystem domain, or via the +SI mechanism. But we have to remember that SI is not universal (supermarket +manager example). So a relative factor setup solves the general situation and is +also more efficient. The SI approach is mainly for scientific applications AND +conversion between two drastically different systems. Believe me, in less than +30 years, symbolic computations will be used by economists, if not already. (Mathematica has an operations research package, sold separately). -> Generality is good, but I'm afraid I'm not following - for any given Un= -it, -> wouldn't all you need to know be the description of that unit in terms = -of SI? -> Or are you proposing that all UnitSystems use this extended storage rec= -ord? -> I would suggest using it only for the Dynamic UnitSystems, and then you= - have -> the flexibility to define new units in terms of SI which have no existi= -ng +> Generality is good, but I'm afraid I'm not following - for any given Unit, +> wouldn't all you need to know be the description of that unit in terms of SI? +> Or are you proposing that all UnitSystems use this extended storage record? +> I would suggest using it only for the Dynamic UnitSystems, and then you have +> the flexibility to define new units in terms of SI which have no existing > Static definition. -Yes, I am more in favor of every UnitSystem domain being dynamic (again, = -see -that section). As to shortening the Rep, yes, in principle, for "scientif= -ic" -unit systems, it only needs a conversion factor relative to SI, and yes, = -for -static unit systems, the relative conversion factors are not needed eithe= -r. -However, SI is not everything, so the relative factors will be needed in = -those +Yes, I am more in favor of every UnitSystem domain being dynamic (again, see +that section). As to shortening the Rep, yes, in principle, for "scientific" +unit systems, it only needs a conversion factor relative to SI, and yes, for +static unit systems, the relative conversion factors are not needed either. +However, SI is not everything, so the relative factors will be needed in those cases, and SI may be replaced by another standard unit system. C Y previously wrote: > Is that why you're adding the extra > arguments - to avoid Axiom needing to figure out that nm is a Length -> defined in the SI UnitSystem? = - - -No, the extra arguments in the new Rep are for convenience of implementat= -ion and -efficiency in execution. Axiom still has to verify, on user input via the= - -setDimUnit commands, that the unit is a legitimate unit for the dimension= +> defined in the SI UnitSystem? -specified, even though, as you insist, we allow units outside of the curr= -ent -unit system. This verification is faciliated by the UnitConversion domain= -=2E +No, the extra arguments in the new Rep are for convenience of implementation and +efficiency in execution. Axiom still has to verify, on user input via the +setDimUnit commands, that the unit is a legitimate unit for the dimension +specified, even though, as you insist, we allow units outside of the current +unit system. This verification is faciliated by the UnitConversion domain=2E -> > I made the factor:(Float, String) [updated from Union(Float, Symbol)]= - +> > I made the factor:(Float, String) [updated from Union(Float, Symbol)] [ added: and absfactor:(Float, String) ] > > to allow a delay of the computation -> > when symbolic computation is more prevalent and also when S does not = -have -> > RetractableTo(Float). = - +> > when symbolic computation is more prevalent and also when S does not have +> > RetractableTo(Float). > >Each factor has -> >both a value (Float) and a name (String). The value of the factor is w= -hen -> >numerical output is needed, that is, when S is coerced to Float (via t= -he "lift" -> >mechanism). The name would be used in output for symbolic computations= - to -> >indicate a conversion factor is needed, without spoiling the elegance = -of -> >symbolic computation or more importantly, going outside the domain S. = -It is only -> >a decoration in the output (so it can be used with even Float alone), = -but it -> >serves two important roles as well: it can be used as an index key to = -the -> >UnitConversion table(s) to look up the value of the factor, and it can= - also be -> >used to provide an audit trail in numerical computations: typically, i= -f the -> >answer is simply in numeric form set to the user's unit, the user may = -not have -> >any idea of how what factors are used in its computation; by delaying = -the use of -> >numerical values for conversion factors, the user can track each conve= -rsion in -> >symbolic form for numerical inputs to verify correctness and then comp= -ute when -> >everything is ok (in case there are bugs, for example, this can be use= -d for +> >both a value (Float) and a name (String). The value of the factor is when +> >numerical output is needed, that is, when S is coerced to Float (via the "lift" +> >mechanism). The name would be used in output for symbolic computations to +> >indicate a conversion factor is needed, without spoiling the elegance of +> >symbolic computation or more importantly, going outside the domain S. It is only +> >a decoration in the output (so it can be used with even Float alone), but it +> >serves two important roles as well: it can be used as an index key to the +> >UnitConversion table(s) to look up the value of the factor, and it can also be +> >used to provide an audit trail in numerical computations: typically, if the +> >answer is simply in numeric form set to the user's unit, the user may not have +> >any idea of how what factors are used in its computation; by delaying the use of +> >numerical values for conversion factors, the user can track each conversion in +> >symbolic form for numerical inputs to verify correctness and then compute when +> >everything is ok (in case there are bugs, for example, this can be used for > >debugging too). -> = - -> >The above setup would make the coercion to OutputForm quite straight f= -orward and +> +> >The above setup would make the coercion to OutputForm quite straight forward and > >uniform (which should ignore the factors if they are (1.0, "1")). C Y wrote: -> This is definitely interesting, but I'm not sure we want such an abilit= -y to be -> the default - I would suggest hiding the conversion factors unless the = -user +> This is definitely interesting, but I'm not sure we want such an ability to be +> the default - I would suggest hiding the conversion factors unless the user > specifically specifies otherwise. I like the idea of the ability to > explicitly show them though :-). @@ -5750,30 +3911,26 @@ What you meant then is to have something like: setSymbolicConversion(): Boolean -as default True, which will include symbolic conversion factors. Setting = -this +as default True, which will include symbolic conversion factors. Setting this False will use numerical values. However, if you meant that when I -setDimUnit("Length", "cm",x) and x was in "m" originally that it will out= -put +setDimUnit("Length", "cm",x) and x was in "m" originally that it will output only x [cm] instead of x m2cm [cm], then I don't agree. ------------- Basics of the Proposal: UnitSystem domain specifications = +------------ Basics of the Proposal: UnitSystem domain specifications - -The following addresses only the user interface specifications under disc= -ussion +The following addresses only the user interface specifications under discussion and is not a complete specification for the category: William Sit wrote: > > FIRST: Consolidate all the unitXXX and setUnitXXX functions to:: > > -> > UnitSystemCategory(S: SetCategory):Category =3D=3D Exports where +> > UnitSystemCategory(S: SetCategory):Category == Exports where > > -> > Dimension =3D=3D> Union("Mass", "Length", ...) -> > Unit =3D=3D> Union("kg", "m", ...) +> > Dimension ==> Union("Mass", "Length", ...) +> > Unit ==> Union("kg", "m", ...) > > Join(RetractableTo S,...) with > > > > setDimUnit: (Dimension, Unit, S) -> % @@ -5781,11 +3938,10 @@ William Sit wrote: [added from earlier mail: setDim(Dimension, S) -> % - setDim(dim,s) =3D=3D setDimUnit(dim, unit(dim), s) + setDim(dim,s) == setDimUnit(dim, unit(dim), s) where unit: Dimension -> Unit - looks up the unit in a UnitConversion domain corresponding to the dimens= -ion.] + looks up the unit in a UnitConversion domain corresponding to the dimension.] > > setUnit: (Dimension, Unit) -> Null (?) > > setUnitAll: (Dimension, Unit) -> Null (?) @@ -5798,118 +3954,81 @@ ion.] C Y wrote: - = - + > I don't quite understand s:S - can you give a specific example of this > difference? Also, I'm not following why you would want to make any -> local vs. global distinctions here - wouldn't it be neater just to have= - +> local vs. global distinctions here - wouldn't it be neater just to have > the set commands work in the CurrentUnitSystem, and base things off of > Static UnitSystems for definitions unless a totally custom conversion -> is being defined? = - - -In the setDimUnit, 'setDimUnit' commands, an expression s:S is involved, = -where S -is a domain that usually contains symbols ("RetractableTo Symbol" in Axio= -m -jargon) and s:S means s is such an expression. Of course S can be just Fl= -oat if -no symbols are involved, in which case, expressions and variables are sim= -ply -constants. But the user assigns a dimension and unit to an expression, w= -hich -will change the way certain variables involved in the expression are inpu= -tted or -outputted. This setting is for a specific expressions s, so has "local" s= -cope. -The other 'setUnit' is local for a specific dimension, but has a wider sc= -ope and -affects all expressions of that dimension. Finally, the 'setUnitAll' is g= -lobal -in the sense that all derived dimensions involving that specific dimensio= -n and +> is being defined? + +In the setDimUnit, 'setDimUnit' commands, an expression s:S is involved, where S +is a domain that usually contains symbols ("RetractableTo Symbol" in Axiom +jargon) and s:S means s is such an expression. Of course S can be just Float if +no symbols are involved, in which case, expressions and variables are simply +constants. But the user assigns a dimension and unit to an expression, which +will change the way certain variables involved in the expression are inputted or +outputted. This setting is for a specific expressions s, so has "local" scope. +The other 'setUnit' is local for a specific dimension, but has a wider scope and +affects all expressions of that dimension. Finally, the 'setUnitAll' is global +in the sense that all derived dimensions involving that specific dimension and all expressions in all those derived dimensions will be affected. The implementation will be assisted by the UnitConversion domain and the Rep -remembers the conversion factors both relative to the current system and = -to the +remembers the conversion factors both relative to the current system and to the SI system, when possible. > > To support the implementation for 'setUnit' (a dynamical > > change of units), I propose to add a state vector for each unit > > system domain: this state vector stores the current unit for each -> > dimension, which is updated by the 'setUnit' command = - - [added: and 'setUnitAll' command]. = - -> > The'setDimUnit' command can check this state vector before generating= - +> > dimension, which is updated by the 'setUnit' command + [added: and 'setUnitAll' command]. +> > The'setDimUnit' command can check this state vector before generating > > the Rep (see below). Some care has to be considered: we have to > > decide whether a 'setUnit(dim, unit)' command should affect the > > other derived units that depends on 'dim' or not, and also those > > the variables whose dimensions were set before this 'setUnit' > > command and invole 'dim'. I have added 'setUnitAll' for the case > > every current variable will be updated. -> = - +> > I don't think I'm quite following - Derived Units are defined in terms > of the Base Units for their UnitSystem - just because we are now using -> "cm" instead of "m" as our default length doesn't change the definition= - -> of N, or how many Newtons we have. If we want to report a Derived Unit= - +> "cm" instead of "m" as our default length doesn't change the definition +> of N, or how many Newtons we have. If we want to report a Derived Unit > in terms of Base Units, then we would want to use cm instead of m, but > otherwise I'm afraid I'm missing something. -My proposal allows (but the decision is still open) changing the units fo= -r a -single expression s:S -- 'setDimUnit(dim,u,s)'. It also allows changing t= -he unit -of a single dimension, say Length, in the current (loaded) unit system wi= -thout -affecting other derived dimensions that involve Length -- 'setUnit(dim,u)= -'. -Finally it allows changing the unit of a single dimension, say Length, an= -d any +My proposal allows (but the decision is still open) changing the units for a +single expression s:S -- 'setDimUnit(dim,u,s)'. It also allows changing the unit +of a single dimension, say Length, in the current (loaded) unit system without +affecting other derived dimensions that involve Length -- 'setUnit(dim,u)'. +Finally it allows changing the unit of a single dimension, say Length, and any other derived dimension that involves Length, such as Velocity -- -'setUnitAll(dim, u)'. In your example above, changing the unit of Length = -from -"m" to "cm" will report the unit of Force (the dimension of "N") either s= -till as -"N", if 'setUnit(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; or as kg-cm/s^2 (by changin= -g the -value of any expression with dimension Force by a conversion factor m2cm)= -, if -'setUnitAll(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; in which case, the new unit of "= -Force" -is "kg-cm/s^2" or "kilodyne", following SI prefix convention (basically c= -hanging +'setUnitAll(dim, u)'. In your example above, changing the unit of Length from +"m" to "cm" will report the unit of Force (the dimension of "N") either still as +"N", if 'setUnit(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; or as kg-cm/s^2 (by changing the +value of any expression with dimension Force by a conversion factor m2cm), if +'setUnitAll(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; in which case, the new unit of "Force" +is "kg-cm/s^2" or "kilodyne", following SI prefix convention (basically changing SI, which is MKS based, to CGS). ---------- Scenario Example William Sit wrote: -> > The following scenario will illustrate the potential problems and I'l= -l put +> > The following scenario will illustrate the potential problems and I'll put > > in some suggestions on how to solve some of these. > > -> > Assuming the above extended Rep: unit is initialialised to the stand= -ard -> > one for the system, factor initialized to (1.0, "1"), absfactor initi= -alized -> > to (absfactorvalue, absfactorname). Let's assume the default unit sy= -stem -> > is FPS (foot-pound-second, a non-scientific system still used in the = -US), +> > Assuming the above extended Rep: unit is initialialised to the standard +> > one for the system, factor initialized to (1.0, "1"), absfactor initialized +> > to (absfactorvalue, absfactorname). Let's assume the default unit system +> > is FPS (foot-pound-second, a non-scientific system still used in the US), > > see: > > -> > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/foot-pound-second+sys= -tem +> > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/foot-pound-second+system > > > > When a user runs the command: > > -> > (1) ulen: :=3D setDim("Length", len) +> > (1) ulen: := setDim("Length", len) > > > > Axiom will return: > > @@ -5917,291 +4036,200 @@ tem > > > > but internally, the Rep is > > -> > [value =3D len, dim =3D "Length", unit =3D "ft", factor =3D (1.0,= -"1"), -> > absfactor =3D (0.3048, "ft2m")] +> > [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "ft", factor = (1.0,"1"), +> > absfactor = (0.3048, "ft2m")] > > -> > Here the absfactor says 1 ft is 0.3048 m. The name can be constructed= - -> > dynamically using string concatenation using the UnitConversion table= -=2E -> = - -> In general, I like this (I would prefer to simplify the 'setDim("Length= -", len)' -> syntax as mentioned in the previous email, but I don't know if anyone e= -lse +> > Here the absfactor says 1 ft is 0.3048 m. The name can be constructed +> > dynamically using string concatenation using the UnitConversion table=2E +> +> In general, I like this (I would prefer to simplify the 'setDim("Length", len)' +> syntax as mentioned in the previous email, but I don't know if anyone else > agrees with me as to whether my proposal there makes any sense.) -I assume you are referring to the 'setUnit(nm,N,inches)' suggestion. See = -section +I assume you are referring to the 'setUnit(nm,N,inches)' suggestion. See section on Updating variables and their units. [Following quotes edited for more consistent reading] -> > In a STATIC change environment (this is, at compile time), if the use= -r +> > In a STATIC change environment (this is, at compile time), if the user > > prefers "in" GLOBALLY as the unit for length, the command > > > > (2) setUnit("Length", "in") > > -> > will output: = - +> > will output: > > len ft2in [in] > > > > with the internal Rep now: > > -> > [value =3D len, dim =3D "Length", unit =3D "in", factor =3D (12, "= -ft2in"), -> > absfactor =3D (0.0254, "in2m")] +> > [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "in", factor = (12, "ft2in"), +> > absfactor = (0.0254, "in2m")] > > -> > where 0.0254 can be computed from 0.3048 by dividing by 12, some othe= -r -> > means. The absfactor will faciliate converting FPS to SI, and hence t= -o +> > where 0.0254 can be computed from 0.3048 by dividing by 12, some other +> > means. The absfactor will faciliate converting FPS to SI, and hence to > > other system as well. -> > Here is a design question: we can let 'setUnit("Length", "in")' to mo= -dify -> > ONLY the unit of the "Length" dimension and not any derived dimension= - that +> > Here is a design question: we can let 'setUnit("Length", "in")' to modify +> > ONLY the unit of the "Length" dimension and not any derived dimension that > > involves "Length". This would be the most flexible. -> = - +> > Yes, I agree - don't update the derived dimensions. -> = - -> I'm not sure about the need for two factors, except perhaps as a matter= - of +> +> I'm not sure about the need for two factors, except perhaps as a matter of > efficiency in avoiding common conversion lookups - is that the reason? -Yes, see also section below. Each expression requires one lookup at the t= -ime its -dimension and unit is set. All subsequent uses and display will avoid the= - lookup -again even if, in case of a variable, it is reassigned to a different val= -ue. All +Yes, see also section below. Each expression requires one lookup at the time its +dimension and unit is set. All subsequent uses and display will avoid the lookup +again even if, in case of a variable, it is reassigned to a different value. All necessary conversion is taken care of by the arithmetic operation in the UnitSystem domain. -> > If the user prefers "cm" as the unit for length in an otherwise FPS s= -ystem, +> > If the user prefers "cm" as the unit for length in an otherwise FPS system, > > the command unitLength can be modified to produce: > > > > (3) len ft2cm [cm] > > > > with the internal Rep now: > > -> > [value =3D len, dim =3D "Length", unit =3D "cm", factor =3D (30.48= -, "ft2cm"), -> > absfactor =3D (0.01, "cm2m")] +> > [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "cm", factor = (30.48, "ft2cm"), +> > absfactor = (0.01, "cm2m")] > > -> > This is all not difficult for STATIC changes, that is, changes that a= -re -> > effected at Axiom start time. Now consider DYNAMIC changes: suppose a= -gain -> > the default is FPS system, and the user has already set the variable = -ulen +> > This is all not difficult for STATIC changes, that is, changes that are +> > effected at Axiom start time. Now consider DYNAMIC changes: suppose again +> > the default is FPS system, and the user has already set the variable ulen > > as in (1). -> = - +> > Hmm. Need to roll around in my head some more :-/. -> = - +> > > Now if the user later runs: > > -> > (4) setUnit("Length","cm") [function name updated from unitLength= -]] +> > (4) setUnit("Length","cm") [function name updated from unitLength]] > > -> > What does this involve? You are now in a run-time environment, you ca= -nnot -> > change the code for 'setUnit' in the FPS domain, you can only change = -data. -> > (Code modification is in theory possible if you know enough, but I do= -n't -> > think that is a good practice in Axiom). To handle FUTURE assignment= -s, we -> > can design the code for 'setUnit' to depend on a state vector for the= - +> > What does this involve? You are now in a run-time environment, you cannot +> > change the code for 'setUnit' in the FPS domain, you can only change data. +> > (Code modification is in theory possible if you know enough, but I don't +> > think that is a good practice in Axiom). To handle FUTURE assignments, we +> > can design the code for 'setUnit' to depend on a state vector for the > > domain: this state vector stores one unit for each dimension, and is -> > updated by the 'setUnit' and 'setUnitAll' commands. The 'setUnit' (an= -d -> > similar 'set' commands) can check this state vector before generating= - the Rep. -> = - +> > updated by the 'setUnit' and 'setUnitAll' commands. The 'setUnit' (and +> > similar 'set' commands) can check this state vector before generating the Rep. +> > Sounds good, in broad. -> = - -> > But what about those variables already defined, like ulen defined in = -(1)? +> +> > But what about those variables already defined, like ulen defined in (1)? > > If ulen is used in some computation requiring ulen to be an input -> > parameter, then we can update it. For example, if the user now wants = -to -> > compute the area for a square with side ulen using one of the followi= -ng +> > parameter, then we can update it. For example, if the user now wants to +> > compute the area for a square with side ulen using one of the following > > syntax: > > -> > uarea :=3D ulen * ulen -> > uarea :=3D setDimUnit("Area", ulen, ulen) [function name updated= - from unitArea] +> > uarea := ulen * ulen +> > uarea := setDimUnit("Area", ulen, ulen) [function name updated from unitArea] > > -> > the routine * or 'setDimUnit' can check the units of its arguments an= -d update +> > the routine * or 'setDimUnit' can check the units of its arguments and update > > them before computation. However, if the user simply types > > > > ulen > > -> > the interpreter can only redisplay the output (1). The interpreter ha= -s no -> > reason to call the FPS(S) domain to perform an update and change the = -unit +> > the interpreter can only redisplay the output (1). The interpreter has no +> > reason to call the FPS(S) domain to perform an update and change the unit > > of ulen and display the output (3). Perhaps the domain FPS(S) should > > provide a function 'update(ulen)'. -> = - +> > Does that mean an interpreter update is needed.? > -I hope not! The 'update()' function can handle that. We should not modify= - the -Interpreter for this project unless it is absolutely necessary, which so = -far, I -don't see. It is possible for the 'setDimUnit' function in the UnitSystem= - domain -to record all calls to the 'setDimUnit' command to create and maintain a = -live -list of variables or expressions, say as part of the state vector. An upd= -ate can -either be applied for just one variable in the domain, or all variables i= -n this +I hope not! The 'update()' function can handle that. We should not modify the +Interpreter for this project unless it is absolutely necessary, which so far, I +don't see. It is possible for the 'setDimUnit' function in the UnitSystem domain +to record all calls to the 'setDimUnit' command to create and maintain a live +list of variables or expressions, say as part of the state vector. An update can +either be applied for just one variable in the domain, or all variables in this live list. ---------- Implementation issues: Updating variables and their units -Some updating questions are raised and solutions suggested in the Scenari= -o +Some updating questions are raised and solutions suggested in the Scenario Example section above. > As for current variables, shouldn't they be updated automatically by > the global update? -That is the idea. That is, a 'setUnitAll(dim, u)' command will change all= - output -and input variables/expressions that are of dimension dim to use unit u. = -In the -scenario Example section, we discussed the issues and some possible actio= -ns. The -basic design question to decide is: should this global command affect onl= -y newer +That is the idea. That is, a 'setUnitAll(dim, u)' command will change all output +and input variables/expressions that are of dimension dim to use unit u. In the +scenario Example section, we discussed the issues and some possible actions. The +basic design question to decide is: should this global command affect only newer variables/expressions or should this retroactively set all existing variables/expressions? The basic implementation question is: what data -structures will support these functionalities efficiently (bear in mind s= -ome +structures will support these functionalities efficiently (bear in mind some trade offs between memory and CPU time, as usual)? It seems the proposed state-vector can support the implementation, whatever the decisions. > I would have thought all you needed was a single command SetUnits() > command, which would take a minimum of one argument and a max of one > unit per available dimension, e.g. -> = - -> SetUnits(nm,N,inches); = - +> +> SetUnits(nm,N,inches); [NB, Axiom convention:function names should start with lower case] -I do not quite follow. Your example has three arguments, all units of Len= -gth. I -think you are thinking of 'setUnitAll(dim, u)'? Maybe a simpler 'setAll(u= -)' and -let the system figure out the dimension of u? (But as explained below, th= -is -reverse lookup from unit to dimension is not unique; in that case, we can= - make -'setAll(u)' return an error message with some choices (probably not all p= -ossible -choices). So you would still need the version 'setUnitAll(dim,u)' after t= -he user +I do not quite follow. Your example has three arguments, all units of Length. I +think you are thinking of 'setUnitAll(dim, u)'? Maybe a simpler 'setAll(u)' and +let the system figure out the dimension of u? (But as explained below, this +reverse lookup from unit to dimension is not unique; in that case, we can make +'setAll(u)' return an error message with some choices (probably not all possible +choices). So you would still need the version 'setUnitAll(dim,u)' after the user picks one of those choices. Your line: SetUnits(nm,N,inches); -is, as far as I can follow, a global set. Surely, in this simple example,= - Axiom -can figure out that these (nm, N, inches) (aside: use "in" for "inches" -= -- SI -recommendations) are units for Length, but as explained, this is not poss= -ible in +is, as far as I can follow, a global set. Surely, in this simple example, Axiom +can figure out that these (nm, N, inches) (aside: use "in" for "inches" -- SI +recommendations) are units for Length, but as explained, this is not possible in general. My version 'setUnitAll(dim, u)" only does this for a particular -dimension dim and a particular unit u. I don't know why you set the Lengt= -h -dimension to THREE different units. Are you imagining mixing units for th= -e same -dimension in one session? How are you going to tell which variable/expres= -sion -will use any one of these three units? Are you saying that ALL three unit= -s -should be reported for ANY variable/expressions of dimension Length? (Not= -e: even -if you are mixing units, the Rep will support it. I just want to know wha= -t your +dimension dim and a particular unit u. I don't know why you set the Length +dimension to THREE different units. Are you imagining mixing units for the same +dimension in one session? How are you going to tell which variable/expression +will use any one of these three units? Are you saying that ALL three units +should be reported for ANY variable/expressions of dimension Length? (Note: even +if you are mixing units, the Rep will support it. I just want to know what your line meant.) > In the CurrentUnitSystem Dynamic UnitSystem (assuming things are in > default mode) the "state vectors" for the dimensions corresponding to -> the units entered would be updated. It's not clear to me why you would= - -> need any other arguments, unless you wanted to make sure the user knows= - -> the dimension of the unit they are inputing as a default. = - +> the units entered would be updated. It's not clear to me why you would +> need any other arguments, unless you wanted to make sure the user knows +> the dimension of the unit they are inputing as a default. > Maybe I place too much emphasis on user > convenience but I as a user would prefer not to tell Axiom things it > already knows. -Fair enough. We can ALWAYS add defaults. The example I gave in my last me= -ssage +Fair enough. We can ALWAYS add defaults. The example I gave in my last message (added above in Section on UnitSystem specification): - setDim(dim: Dimension, s:S):% =3D=3D setDimUnit: (dim, unit(dim), s) - -performs a lookup for the default unit for a given dimension in the curre= -nt -UnitSystem. The 'setAll(u)' above can handle cases where an automatic loo= -kup -results in a unique dimension to set the dimension field in Rep. However = -we do -not want to look up repeatedly each time we use a variable, so the result= -s are -memorized in Rep. = - - -And, yes, users should know the dimension of the unit they are inputting.= - One -danger with something like 'setAll(u)', which left out the dimension for= - u, is -that a simple typo say from 'setAll(cm^2)' to 'setAll(cm^3)' would not be= - caught -and play havoc in subsequent computations. Forcing the user to give the i= -ntended + setDim(dim: Dimension, s:S):% == setDimUnit: (dim, unit(dim), s) + +performs a lookup for the default unit for a given dimension in the current +UnitSystem. The 'setAll(u)' above can handle cases where an automatic lookup +results in a unique dimension to set the dimension field in Rep. However we do +not want to look up repeatedly each time we use a variable, so the results are +memorized in Rep. + +And, yes, users should know the dimension of the unit they are inputting. One +danger with something like 'setAll(u)', which left out the dimension for u, is +that a simple typo say from 'setAll(cm^2)' to 'setAll(cm^3)' would not be caught +and play havoc in subsequent computations. Forcing the user to give the intended dimension provides a better chance that these errors will be caught. > Maybe as a time saving alternative SetUnits could also > accept things of the form ::Unit or some such, which would -> limit the search space it would need to check? = - +> limit the search space it would need to check? -I don't follow the syntax of ::Unit. Is :: coercion in Axiom?= - I have -not heard of coercing a domain into a category. Perhaps you are thinking = -of a -package call to a domain in UnitSystems? That would be setAll(u)$domain. = -But I +I don't follow the syntax of ::Unit. Is :: coercion in Axiom? I have +not heard of coercing a domain into a category. Perhaps you are thinking of a +package call to a domain in UnitSystems? That would be setAll(u)$domain. But I do not like this default setAll(u) for reasons above. > Or even better, if @@ -6209,34 +4237,21 @@ do not like this default setAll(u) for reasons above. > of all defined units in all unit systems at compile time which can > quickly match up a unit up with a UnitSystem and Dimension. -The UnitConversion domain (perhaps category) is for this purpose. I am st= -ill -thinking about whether UnitConversion should be a category with many doma= -ins or -just one domain. The many-domain approach may provide better efficiency f= -or more +The UnitConversion domain (perhaps category) is for this purpose. I am still +thinking about whether UnitConversion should be a category with many domains or +just one domain. The many-domain approach may provide better efficiency for more localized conversion systems and flexibility future additions. -As we don't know all the expert areas now in existence, nor do we know wh= -at new -derived dimension or unit we may need (especially in 30 years' time), the= -re is -no way we can have such a universal toplevel hash table. We CAN implement= - SI -(all the default and acceptable dimensions and units) or even more, but s= -uch a -domain will need to be revised to allow newer dimensions and units. The d= -esign -proposed will allow this of course (any design in fact), but I still subs= -cribe -to the older Axiom philosophy that we do not modify existing libraries ex= -cept -for bugs, and extend existing libraries through additional implementation= -=2E We -should allow arbitrary UnitSystems (as I also indicated in my last email,= - -supermarket manager will need a totally different, "non-scientific" unit = -system +As we don't know all the expert areas now in existence, nor do we know what new +derived dimension or unit we may need (especially in 30 years' time), there is +no way we can have such a universal toplevel hash table. We CAN implement SI +(all the default and acceptable dimensions and units) or even more, but such a +domain will need to be revised to allow newer dimensions and units. The design +proposed will allow this of course (any design in fact), but I still subscribe +to the older Axiom philosophy that we do not modify existing libraries except +for bugs, and extend existing libraries through additional implementation=2E We +should allow arbitrary UnitSystems (as I also indicated in my last email, +supermarket manager will need a totally different, "non-scientific" unit system with dimensions like "Coke", "DietCoke", etc.) @@ -6244,113 +4259,73 @@ with dimensions like "Coke", "DietCoke", etc.) William Sit wrote: -> >[Comments: I have not decided whether there should be more than one ca= -tegory, -> >and also what to call them. Also there is a difficulty with dimensions= -(), -> >units() because they do not return a domain, to be used in the signatu= -res. So -> >you may safely ignored the next paragraph for now. However, what I had= - in mind -> >was to allow many domains like Dimension =3D Union("Mass", etc) and co= -rresponding -> >Unit =3D Union("slug", etc) for people (students ?) who don't need the= - full set, -> >as well as the ability to add new supersets later. Unfortunately, we c= -annot +> >[Comments: I have not decided whether there should be more than one category, +> >and also what to call them. Also there is a difficulty with dimensions(), +> >units() because they do not return a domain, to be used in the signatures. So +> >you may safely ignored the next paragraph for now. However, what I had in mind +> >was to allow many domains like Dimension = Union("Mass", etc) and corresponding +> >Unit = Union("slug", etc) for people (students ?) who don't need the full set, +> >as well as the ability to add new supersets later. Unfortunately, we cannot > >have: -> > = - -> > Dimension(dims:List String) =3D=3D Union(dims) -> > = - +> > +> > Dimension(dims:List String) == Union(dims) +> > > >] -> > = - +> > > >FIRST (alternative): On the category level: -> > = - +> > > >There will be -> > = - -> >(I) a UnitConversion category, whose details I have not investigated, = -but its -> >domains will contain tables for all dimensions for a particular expert= - field, -> >units, and conversion factors from SI. There will probably be one comp= -rehensive -> >such domain to start the ball rolling, but we will surely miss some di= -mensions -> >and units in some not-so-common expert areas or new areas. The categor= -y will +> > +> >(I) a UnitConversion category, whose details I have not investigated, but its +> >domains will contain tables for all dimensions for a particular expert field, +> >units, and conversion factors from SI. There will probably be one comprehensive +> >such domain to start the ball rolling, but we will surely miss some dimensions +> >and units in some not-so-common expert areas or new areas. The category will > >provide guidelines to add these new areas. -> > = - -> >UnitSystem(S, D, U):Category =3D=3D Exports where +> > +> >UnitSystem(S, D, U):Category == Exports where > > S: SetCategory > > D: List String > > U: List String -> > = - +> > > > dimensions: ()->List String > > units: ()->List String > > convertFactor: String -> Float > > -> > For example, dimensions() =3D ["Mass", "Length", ...] (which replaces= - Dimension =3D -> >Union("Mass", "Length", ...), making this local to a unit system rathe= -r than one +> > For example, dimensions() = ["Mass", "Length", ...] (which replaces Dimension > >Union("Mass", "Length", ...), making this local to a unit system rather than one > >global list. > > -> >(II) ??? Dimension(dims:List String) =3D=3D Union(dims) -> = - +> >(II) ??? Dimension(dims:List String) == Union(dims) +> C Y wrote: > Dimensions > may not always map uniquely to Units, but Units DO map uniquely to -> dimensions. = - - -Your last remark is wrong, unless there are already standard terminology = -such as -in the case of Work vs Moment: standard energy-units exist as Joule, erg,= - eV, -etc. and moment-units exist as N-m, etc. In other cases, you may have to = -create -new standard names first. However, the problem still is: given some unit = -in -reduced basic dimensions such as (mass-length/time^2).length, say kg.m^2/= -s^2, we -do not know if the dimension should be Energy (either Work or Kinetic Ene= -rgy or -Potential Energy) or Moment. Vectorizing some of these dimensions may hel= -p: Work -is a force vector times a length vector, and so is moment, but the two le= -ngth -vectors have different directions with respect to the direction of the fo= -rces. +> dimensions. + +Your last remark is wrong, unless there are already standard terminology such as +in the case of Work vs Moment: standard energy-units exist as Joule, erg, eV, +etc. and moment-units exist as N-m, etc. In other cases, you may have to create +new standard names first. However, the problem still is: given some unit in +reduced basic dimensions such as (mass-length/time^2).length, say kg.m^2/s^2, we +do not know if the dimension should be Energy (either Work or Kinetic Energy or +Potential Energy) or Moment. Vectorizing some of these dimensions may help: Work +is a force vector times a length vector, and so is moment, but the two length +vectors have different directions with respect to the direction of the forces. > Couldn't Axiom figure this out? All it has to do is -> determine the dimension of each argument, check that all dimensions are= - -> unique, and set the defaults (the setunits command in Maxima works this= - +> determine the dimension of each argument, check that all dimensions are +> unique, and set the defaults (the setunits command in Maxima works this > way.) We ARE back to some parser being able to check all units for a -> match to the input unit, I guess. = - +> match to the input unit, I guess. -What you are describing is the "forward" direction, which is easy. The pr= -oblem -to map units back to dimension is the "backward" direction, which has no = -clean +What you are describing is the "forward" direction, which is easy. The problem +to map units back to dimension is the "backward" direction, which has no clean solution (yet?). You will need a parser if the Dimensions and Units are -represented by variables taking up namespace (as in Mathematica, and I as= -sume, -in your Maxima implementation). My proposal avoids this modification to t= -he +represented by variables taking up namespace (as in Mathematica, and I assume, +in your Maxima implementation). My proposal avoids this modification to the Axiom Interpreter. (see also Namespace issues below). @@ -6365,180 +4340,117 @@ William Sit wrote: > > called axiom.input (which is in the directory $AXIOM/input). > > So by putting ")set UnitSystem MYUnitSystem" in that file, Axiom > > will use MYUNitSystem as the default unit system when the -> > functions 'setDimUnit' etc. are called. MYUnitSystem can be SI, CGS,= - +> > functions 'setDimUnit' etc. are called. MYUnitSystem can be SI, CGS, > > or some modified version of the standard SI (but once modified, > > it should be called something else). C Y wrote: - = - + > This isn't quite what I was thinking - I was thinking by default Axiom > could use a unit system called CurrentUnitSystem, which would be > somewhat different in definition from SI, CGS, etc. Doing -> = - +> > )set UnitSystem SI -> = - +> > would drop the user in a strict SI output only environment without the > possibility of local override, which I have no problem with. (Might > even be a good idea to have available, really - call it a STATIC -> UnitSystem definition.) = - +> UnitSystem definition.) -All Axiom variables are typed. So once a user started computating using a= - -UnitSystem domain, say A, all his computations will be in that unit syste= -m. If -he then change to SI, he would have to coerce them to SI, which may or ma= -y not -be possible, depending on what dimensions and units are in A. (So, the do= -main A, -and the UnitSystems category, may have to include functions like convertI= -fCan: % +All Axiom variables are typed. So once a user started computating using a +UnitSystem domain, say A, all his computations will be in that unit system. If +he then change to SI, he would have to coerce them to SI, which may or may not +be possible, depending on what dimensions and units are in A. (So, the domain A, +and the UnitSystems category, may have to include functions like convertIfCan: % -> SI). > What i would like CurrentUnitSystem to do is > be a DYNAMIC UnitSystem, using either the system you have outlined > below or something similar. It would start out as an instance of the -> SI definitions by default, but allow local overrides dynamically (hence= - +> SI definitions by default, but allow local overrides dynamically (hence > a Dynamic UnitSystem definition). Also useful would be a > SaveUnitSystem() for later use - essentially > allowing a user to load a precustomized Dynamic UnitSystem Definition > as the working UnitSystem. With a Dynamic UnitSystem Definition we -> could have a MapUnitSystem() command to allow the user= - +> could have a MapUnitSystem() command to allow the user > to restore all STATIC SI definitions (say) to the CurrentUnitSystem. > Is that following what you had in mind? -I think you want somehow to restrict some users (say students who are lea= -rning -about units and dimensions) not to allow them to "mess" with a UnitSystem= - domain -like SI. I don't see the necessity because most likely, such users will o= -nly -want to do their computations in whatever unit system is the default. Eve= -n if -they were to use 'setDimUnit', 'setUnit', and 'setUnitAll' (which would b= -e a -good experience), these only affect the interpreter session and will not = -modify -the SI domain at all. The state-vector does not survive an axiom reload s= -ince no -modification to the compiled code is performed. Also a user can save the = -history -of all inputs, including all 'set' commands (and also ')set' commands) an= -d put -them in axiom.input or a 'myunitmod.input' and read it in anytime. There = -is no -need, in this dynamic design, to modify ANY compiled domain in the UnitSy= -stem -category. When a user wants to have modification compiled into a modSI do= -main, -he will have to edit the SI.spad.pamphlet and change it into modSI.spad.p= -amphlet +I think you want somehow to restrict some users (say students who are learning +about units and dimensions) not to allow them to "mess" with a UnitSystem domain +like SI. I don't see the necessity because most likely, such users will only +want to do their computations in whatever unit system is the default. Even if +they were to use 'setDimUnit', 'setUnit', and 'setUnitAll' (which would be a +good experience), these only affect the interpreter session and will not modify +the SI domain at all. The state-vector does not survive an axiom reload since no +modification to the compiled code is performed. Also a user can save the history +of all inputs, including all 'set' commands (and also ')set' commands) and put +them in axiom.input or a 'myunitmod.input' and read it in anytime. There is no +need, in this dynamic design, to modify ANY compiled domain in the UnitSystem +category. When a user wants to have modification compiled into a modSI domain, +he will have to edit the SI.spad.pamphlet and change it into modSI.spad.pamphlet and compile it. However, I don't see the necessity. Your idea of -'SaveUnitSystem() is difficult (but not impossible) to= - +'SaveUnitSystem() is difficult (but not impossible) to implement and involves automatically editing say SI.spad.pamphlet to -modSI.spad.pamphlet and automatically compiling it. It is trivial for a u= -ser to +modSI.spad.pamphlet and automatically compiling it. It is trivial for a user to read in an input file instead. -I note that each of our positions on this user environment issue has turn= -ed 180 +I note that each of our positions on this user environment issue has turned 180 degrees from earlier communications :-). -The ')set unitsystem ' will only need to preload . Tim already said that this can be added. Once loaded, it becomes w= -hat you -called CurrentUnitSystem (but without the name). The ca= -n be -either static or dynamic, depending on whether the three 'set' commands a= -re -implemented or not in that domain. The SI system can be restored by simpl= -y -issuing another ')set unitsystem SI' command. In fact, another way to loa= -d any -unitsystem is simply to say ')library ', just like loadi= -ng any -other library, so we don't even need to add the ')set unitsystem' command= -, -although the ')set unitsystem' command perhaps can avoid some package cal= -ls when +The ')set unitsystem ' will only need to preload . Tim already said that this can be added. Once loaded, it becomes what you +called CurrentUnitSystem (but without the name). The can be +either static or dynamic, depending on whether the three 'set' commands are +implemented or not in that domain. The SI system can be restored by simply +issuing another ')set unitsystem SI' command. In fact, another way to load any +unitsystem is simply to say ')library ', just like loading any +other library, so we don't even need to add the ')set unitsystem' command, +although the ')set unitsystem' command perhaps can avoid some package calls when the 'set' commands are used. -A "dynamic" unit system domain becomes static if the user does not use an= -y of -the 'set' commands from the domain or if they are not implemented in the = -domain. +A "dynamic" unit system domain becomes static if the user does not use any of +the 'set' commands from the domain or if they are not implemented in the domain. > Working in a Static UnitSystem no set commands are -> either possible or necessary (and thus shouldn't work) and in a Dynamic= - -> UnitSystem (of which there will normally be only one - the working one)= - +> either possible or necessary (and thus shouldn't work) and in a Dynamic +> UnitSystem (of which there will normally be only one - the working one) > the Static UnitSystems provide the information to use in the Dynamic > one? -Right, see previous comments. A StaticUnitSystem domain in your sense is = -nothing +Right, see previous comments. A StaticUnitSystem domain in your sense is nothing but a table for pairing dimensions and units. So this is included in -UnitConversion domain (basically a database). It would be just a differen= -ce in -names. = - +UnitConversion domain (basically a database). It would be just a difference in +names. > Since -> Static UnitSystems wouldn't be changable in a normal session anyway (at= - +> Static UnitSystems wouldn't be changable in a normal session anyway (at > least without editing the source and reloading, which hopefully would -> also mandate a rebuild of the hash tree) it would be a one time expense= - -> and would enable considerable user convenience at many levels. = - - -Of course, whatever has been compiled is static, but since we are to prov= -ide -(again, as you insist -- a good thing) dynamic changes to a loaded unit s= -ystem, -there is really no need to "automatically" modify library code to change = -a -static unit system. I remember you were oppose to this when I was defendi= -ng the -old proposal that you can compile as many UnitSystem domains as you like,= - -modifying standard ones as little or as much as you like. Since this auto= -mation -to modify library code to generate a new compilable spad source is diffic= -ult -(remind you that this should be a documented pamphlet file, requiring exp= -ertise -in using automatic editors), and may contribute to a proliferation of dom= -ains -only for personal use, I have moved to the dynamic model to satisfy user = -needs. -A user can easily set up the axiom.input file to load a bunch of interpre= -ter -code, which includes setDimUnit, setUnit, setUnitAll lines before proceed= -ing. -The user is in total control and no system level work (like automatic edi= -ting +> also mandate a rebuild of the hash tree) it would be a one time expense +> and would enable considerable user convenience at many levels. + +Of course, whatever has been compiled is static, but since we are to provide +(again, as you insist -- a good thing) dynamic changes to a loaded unit system, +there is really no need to "automatically" modify library code to change a +static unit system. I remember you were oppose to this when I was defending the +old proposal that you can compile as many UnitSystem domains as you like, +modifying standard ones as little or as much as you like. Since this automation +to modify library code to generate a new compilable spad source is difficult +(remind you that this should be a documented pamphlet file, requiring expertise +in using automatic editors), and may contribute to a proliferation of domains +only for personal use, I have moved to the dynamic model to satisfy user needs. +A user can easily set up the axiom.input file to load a bunch of interpreter +code, which includes setDimUnit, setUnit, setUnitAll lines before proceeding. +The user is in total control and no system level work (like automatic editing spad files) is required. -Requiring rebuilding the hash tree is not a good idea because a domain is= - -supposedly stable once built. Plus, if someone adds a new UnitSystem doma= -in, who +Requiring rebuilding the hash tree is not a good idea because a domain is +supposedly stable once built. Plus, if someone adds a new UnitSystem domain, who would be responsible to rebuild the single hash tree? If the new domain introduces new dimensions and units, it should create a corresponding -UnitConversion domain (hash tree) and leave the standard hash table alone= -=2E +UnitConversion domain (hash tree) and leave the standard hash table alone=2E @@ -6549,173 +4461,121 @@ UnitConversion domain (hash tree) and leave the standard hash table alone= > default namespace at their option, and that will DEFINITELY need > interpreter work. -As you know, I am strongly against "gobbling up all the unit names in the= - -default namespace' even if it is 'at their option'. If you are seriously= - -thinking about student use, you know the average students will exercise t= -heir -options without knowing or understanding what they are doing. There is no= - way to -consistently reserve SOME unit names in namespace, and not others. Any co= -de to -implement this will have to know the reserved names a priori and that mea= -ns ALL -the abbreviations in SI units at a minimum. You would have created a nigh= -tmare -in using the interpreter by requiring users to avoid any SI unit abbrevia= -tions -as user variables. No computer language ever has that many reserved words= -=2E Note: -Axiom function names are NOT reserved, but constructor (which may be cate= -gory, +As you know, I am strongly against "gobbling up all the unit names in the +default namespace' even if it is 'at their option'. If you are seriously +thinking about student use, you know the average students will exercise their +options without knowing or understanding what they are doing. There is no way to +consistently reserve SOME unit names in namespace, and not others. Any code to +implement this will have to know the reserved names a priori and that means ALL +the abbreviations in SI units at a minimum. You would have created a nightmare +in using the interpreter by requiring users to avoid any SI unit abbreviations +as user variables. No computer language ever has that many reserved words=2E Note: +Axiom function names are NOT reserved, but constructor (which may be category, domain or package) names and their abbreviations are. -Modifying the interpreter because of a specific category or its domains i= -s a bad +Modifying the interpreter because of a specific category or its domains is a bad idea. Any modifications should be general purpose or fixing bugs. - = - + > > As for tools to do the dynamic modification from standard unit > > systems like SI, here are several changes to the previous setup > > that will facilitate this and improve the organization of the > > domains as well. -> = - +> > Did you intend to use this setup for ALL UnitSystems or just what I've > termed Dynamic UnitSystems? (Sorry if I should have caught this.) -Yes. I believe this would make it easy for UnitSystem domains to inherit = -the -default implementations by a few simple modifications. (In the end, only = -the -actual coding will tell if this is possible). I do not distinguish betwe= -en -static and dynamic. Every unitsystem domain is dynamic. But if you like, = -you can -have them separately specified. Then a StaticUnitSystem category would no= -t have +Yes. I believe this would make it easy for UnitSystem domains to inherit the +default implementations by a few simple modifications. (In the end, only the +actual coding will tell if this is possible). I do not distinguish between +static and dynamic. Every unitsystem domain is dynamic. But if you like, you can +have them separately specified. Then a StaticUnitSystem category would not have the three 'set' functions exported and a DynamicUnitSystem category is a -StaticUnitSystem with the three 'set' functions (and perhaps others). The= - +StaticUnitSystem with the three 'set' functions (and perhaps others). The problem with this dual approach is that if after computing with a -StaticUnitSystem domain, a user suddenly decides to change the unit of on= -e of -the dimensions, he would have to either redo the computations, or to coer= -ce -everything from the static domain to a CORRESPONDING dynamic domain. Ther= -e is no -enforcable mechanism to guarantee that every static domain has a correspo= -nding -dynamic domain, and if this latter guarantee holds, then we are duplicati= -ng all -unit systems for something not that useful. Most users will want to have = -more -flexibility. I think even for student use, if they want to experiment wit= -h -changing units (at run time), why should that be forbidden? (for that mat= -ter, +StaticUnitSystem domain, a user suddenly decides to change the unit of one of +the dimensions, he would have to either redo the computations, or to coerce +everything from the static domain to a CORRESPONDING dynamic domain. There is no +enforcable mechanism to guarantee that every static domain has a corresponding +dynamic domain, and if this latter guarantee holds, then we are duplicating all +unit systems for something not that useful. Most users will want to have more +flexibility. I think even for student use, if they want to experiment with +changing units (at run time), why should that be forbidden? (for that matter, Axiom being open sourced, why should ANYTHING be forbidden?) > In the > SetUnits usage it doesn't even need to use up toplevel namespace, and -> if a user DID want to populate the toplevel namespace it would be a big= - +> if a user DID want to populate the toplevel namespace it would be a big > speedup for the interperter to be able to hash a symbol to check if it > is a unit. -My proposal uses up NO user namespace for the dimensions or units. It use= -s only -strings as fake domain names. Strings are data items, not a name. The mor= -e -familiar one is the "failed" (a "domain"!) in Union(..., "failed"). This = -is the -built-in magic implementation of Union. A lookup requires only the case s= -tatment +My proposal uses up NO user namespace for the dimensions or units. It uses only +strings as fake domain names. Strings are data items, not a name. The more +familiar one is the "failed" (a "domain"!) in Union(..., "failed"). This is the +built-in magic implementation of Union. A lookup requires only the case statment and presumably implemented efficiently already. -There is perhaps one way to use variables (instead of strings) for dimens= -ions -and units, but they will be local to the domain (using domain namespace, = -rather -than user namespace) and they will not be assigned any value. The advanta= -ge over +There is perhaps one way to use variables (instead of strings) for dimensions +and units, but they will be local to the domain (using domain namespace, rather +than user namespace) and they will not be assigned any value. The advantage over strings is that they can be used to perform arithmetic operations of -multiplication and division as symbols. Then general conversion factors c= -an be -computed by setting up a small number of conversion rules and by solving = -an -equation. = - +multiplication and division as symbols. Then general conversion factors can be +computed by setting up a small number of conversion rules and by solving an +equation. Default relationship (tables) for conversion tables (which include both -dimensions and units) and the dependencies like state-vectors, can use ha= -sh +dimensions and units) and the dependencies like state-vectors, can use hash tables. ---------- Implementation Issue: Simplification of dimensions C Y wrote: -> > > I think this is a weak spot in my understanding of dimensionality, = -so I -> > > apologize if I'm being dense here. If we take C=3D%pi*d where C is= - a +> > > I think this is a weak spot in my understanding of dimensionality, so I +> > > apologize if I'm being dense here. If we take C=%pi*d where C is a > > > circumference, %pi is %pi, and d is diameter, and look at the > > > dimensions, we have: > > > > > > degree -> > > Length =3D ------ Length +> > > Length = ------ Length > > > radian > > > > > > Casually, this doesn't look at all balanced. William Sit wrote: -> > Of course not. But that is exactly the point: a dimensionless constan= -t -> > takes on different dimensions in different conversions or equations. = -So -> > even thought these have the same VALUE pi, the pi in C =3D pi*d and t= -he pi in -> > 180 deg =3D pi radians are different because their (hidden) dimension= -s are +> > Of course not. But that is exactly the point: a dimensionless constant +> > takes on different dimensions in different conversions or equations. So +> > even thought these have the same VALUE pi, the pi in C = pi*d and the pi in +> > 180 deg = pi radians are different because their (hidden) dimensions are > > different. In each equation, only their values are the same. C Y recently wrote: -> OK - so how to we represent this in a CAS? Or more specifically, what= - about -> the fact that a dimensionless constant has dimension that cancels is us= -eful +> OK - so how to we represent this in a CAS? Or more specifically, what about +> the fact that a dimensionless constant has dimension that cancels is useful > for us to display, and how do we go about it? We can do this: - piInEqn1:=3D setDimUnit("Length/Length", "m/m", %pi) - -or = + piInEqn1:= setDimUnit("Length/Length", "m/m", %pi) +or - piInEqn1:=3D setDimUnit("1", "1", %pi) + piInEqn1:= setDimUnit("1", "1", %pi) -but = +but + piInEqn2:= setDimUnit("Degree/Radian", "deg/rad", %pi) - piInEqn2:=3D setDimUnit("Degree/Radian", "deg/rad", %pi) - -Perhaps we can add a field to Rep that gives the reduced dimension as wel= -l? or +Perhaps we can add a field to Rep that gives the reduced dimension as well? or provide a function reduce: Dimension->Dimension (which in any case, will be useful and necessary). - = - + > > > Does it mean that when we -> > > define the dimensionality of the variable C we need to define it as= -: +> > > define the dimensionality of the variable C we need to define it as: > > > > > > degree > > > ------ Length @@ -6723,120 +4583,77 @@ provide a function > > > > > > rather than just Length? > > -> > No, dimension of C is length and is not dependent on any equation it = -is in. -> > This is a major difference between physical quantities and mathematic= -al +> > No, dimension of C is length and is not dependent on any equation it is in. +> > This is a major difference between physical quantities and mathematical > > constants. -> = - -> So we are going to have to distinguish between them somehow? What do w= -e want +> +> So we are going to have to distinguish between them somehow? What do we want > there? -See comments to previous question. The function reduce("Length/Length") w= -ill -return "1" so that the variable C in C:=3D piInEqn1 * d will give C the d= -imension +See comments to previous question. The function reduce("Length/Length") will +return "1" so that the variable C in C:= piInEqn1 * d will give C the dimension of "Length". - = - + > > Perhaps we should start using the term "dimension" to mean the -> > one used in the definition, which may involve derived dimensions, and= - the -> > term "reduced dimension" to mean a simplified form in terms of the ba= -sic -> > dimensions. Then we can say the reduced dimensions of pi in both equa= -tions +> > one used in the definition, which may involve derived dimensions, and the +> > term "reduced dimension" to mean a simplified form in terms of the basic +> > dimensions. Then we can say the reduced dimensions of pi in both equations > > are the same, namely 1 (or dimensionless), but the dimensions are -> > different. This terminology would work to say work and moment have th= -e same -> > reduced dimensions, but their dimensions are different (when vectors = -are -> > used to indicate the direction of the distance with respect to the fo= -rces). -> > How vectors may be expressed in dimensions is another thing to study.= - -> = - -> YES! This is an excellent suggestion, and might provide a way to addre= -ss an +> > different. This terminology would work to say work and moment have the same +> > reduced dimensions, but their dimensions are different (when vectors are +> > used to indicate the direction of the distance with respect to the forces). +> > How vectors may be expressed in dimensions is another thing to study. +> +> YES! This is an excellent suggestion, and might provide a way to address an > issue that has been bothering me: -> = - -> Let's say we work with both work and moment, in two different equations= -, and -> both calculations would simplify down to length if we cancel out units.= - -> Presumably those lengths have the same dimension, but they sprang from = -two -> different equations that would not be the same dimensionally if I were = -to use -> proper derived dimension simplification rules, despite their both windi= -ng up -> with a length falling out. I think being able to say work and moment h= -ave -> the same reduced dimensions would allow us to perform calculations, sim= -ply -> noting that the length is a reduced length by virtue of being calculate= -d from +> +> Let's say we work with both work and moment, in two different equations, and +> both calculations would simplify down to length if we cancel out units. +> Presumably those lengths have the same dimension, but they sprang from two +> different equations that would not be the same dimensionally if I were to use +> proper derived dimension simplification rules, despite their both winding up +> with a length falling out. I think being able to say work and moment have +> the same reduced dimensions would allow us to perform calculations, simply +> noting that the length is a reduced length by virtue of being calculated from > a quantity involving ambiguous substitution. -> = - -> Hopefully that was clear enough to express my concerns. I don't know i= -f they -> would crop up or not in the "real world" - if this is too confusing I c= -an try +> +> Hopefully that was clear enough to express my concerns. I don't know if they +> would crop up or not in the "real world" - if this is too confusing I can try > and construct an example (gulp). -Yes, unless given other examples, I think this is a way to get out of the= - -dilemma. Of course, the strong typing of Axiom already drove developers n= -uts, -and I'm afraid, surely, the strict setup to dimensions and units may like= -ly do -so to scientists or economists. This is the price to pay for insisting on= - formal +Yes, unless given other examples, I think this is a way to get out of the +dilemma. Of course, the strong typing of Axiom already drove developers nuts, +and I'm afraid, surely, the strict setup to dimensions and units may likely do +so to scientists or economists. This is the price to pay for insisting on formal correctness. > > >Could unit and dimension cancelation be handled > > >on a per dimension basis? > > May be, or may be not. It depends on the physical meanings of the -> > variables. If I have price at $5/m multiplied by 7 m, I should get $3= -5. If -> > I have 8 N divided by 2 m^2 for pressure, and N has dimension kg-m/s^= -2, is +> > variables. If I have price at $5/m multiplied by 7 m, I should get $35. If +> > I have 8 N divided by 2 m^2 for pressure, and N has dimension kg-m/s^2, is > > it ok to cancel one of the m? So a single rule of Length (m) is not > > applicable to all cases. -> = - -> This will need to be handled, somehow. Are there any good references t= -hat +> +> This will need to be handled, somehow. Are there any good references that > contain the applicable rules for us to implement? -I don't know, and I have not tried hard enough to google. This must be qu= -ite -thoroughly studied already. There is a 1941 paper on "theory of dimension= -s" in -Proc. Phys. Soc. by G. Brown, Vol 53, p. 418. = - +I don't know, and I have not tried hard enough to google. This must be quite +thoroughly studied already. There is a 1941 paper on "theory of dimensions" in +Proc. Phys. Soc. by G. Brown, Vol 53, p. 418. http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0959-5309/53/4/307 -Don't know if it is useful. It reduces all dimensions to Length and Time,= - which -are related, said the author, via the speed of light. Does any one know m= -ore +Don't know if it is useful. It reduces all dimensions to Length and Time, which +are related, said the author, via the speed of light. Does any one know more about this article? -There is also a theory of dimensions for economic quantities, published i= -n 1871! +There is also a theory of dimensions for economic quantities, published in 1871! (III.43): http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/Jevons/jvnPE3.html -and historically, it seems Fourier introduced the theory of dimensions in= - 1822 +and historically, it seems Fourier introduced the theory of dimensions in 1822 (Th=E9orie de Chaleur, Article 160). The article below is worth reading: http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/webonly/wex80905.html @@ -6844,120 +4661,59 @@ http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/webonly/wex80905.html Fourier's notion of homogeneity should strike a resonance. Whether any such references will help us develop the rules to simplify -dimensions, I don't know. From what we have discussed, it seems any rule = -will -need some expert knowledge (in the example I gave, the expert knowledge i= -s -simply what pressure is). So I believe the best solution may be to "leave= - it to -the users", and let them create their own names and simplification rules.= - This -means that in a UnitSystem domain, there ought to be facilities to handle= - rules -of simplifications, where some common defaults can be implemented. Axiom = -has a -RewriteRule domain that can help. RewriteRule can also be used efficientl= -y to -perform conversion. (I once wrote a UnitConversion.nb in Mathematica for = -a -course using this idea: all conversion factors between the two units for = -the -same dimension is then a simple Solve[unit1 =3D x unit2, x]) - - -> > Actually, you scenarios are not narrow but general and right! There s= -hould -> > be no difference between units as used by students and units as used = -by +dimensions, I don't know. From what we have discussed, it seems any rule will +need some expert knowledge (in the example I gave, the expert knowledge is +simply what pressure is). So I believe the best solution may be to "leave it to +the users", and let them create their own names and simplification rules. This +means that in a UnitSystem domain, there ought to be facilities to handle rules +of simplifications, where some common defaults can be implemented. Axiom has a +RewriteRule domain that can help. RewriteRule can also be used efficiently to +perform conversion. (I once wrote a UnitConversion.nb in Mathematica for a +course using this idea: all conversion factors between the two units for the +same dimension is then a simple Solve[unit1 = x unit2, x]) + + +> > Actually, you scenarios are not narrow but general and right! There should +> > be no difference between units as used by students and units as used by > > researchers. The idea of units is not limited to even SI. Currency -> > conversions are conversions in monetary units. But we should be able = -to use -> > Axiom's unit system for grocery as well (Back to my unfinished idea o= -n -> > different Dimension domains)! Dimension=3DUnion("Orange", "120z-Coke"= -, ...) -> > is as useful as Dimension=3DUnion("Mass", "Length", ...). (Yes, a sup= -ermarket -> > manager using Axiom, that'll be the day: not so far-fetched if you t= -hink of +> > conversions are conversions in monetary units. But we should be able to use +> > Axiom's unit system for grocery as well (Back to my unfinished idea on +> > different Dimension domains)! Dimension=Union("Orange", "120z-Coke", ...) +> > is as useful as Dimension=Union("Mass", "Length", ...). (Yes, a supermarket +> > manager using Axiom, that'll be the day: not so far-fetched if you think of > > the operation research problems involved). -> = - -> Heh - neat :-). But it does raise some awkward questions, which came u= -p +> +> Heh - neat :-). But it does raise some awkward questions, which came up > briefly earlier but escaped my notice: -> = - -> You mentioned $ interacting with meters, and in a previous email kilobi= -ts and -> kilobytes were also mentioned. Unfortunately, neither money nor bits o= -f -> information are covered by any combination of SI units I am aware of. = -So +> +> You mentioned $ interacting with meters, and in a previous email kilobits and +> kilobytes were also mentioned. Unfortunately, neither money nor bits of +> information are covered by any combination of SI units I am aware of. So > perhaps our top level category should be not simply Dimensions but -> PhysicalDimensions, and we could perhaps implement some other Categorie= -s for -> Dimensions not covered by SI (like money and bits, both of which are Ba= -sic -> Units as far as I can tell). Money might be defined in terms of other = -things -> in some sense, but that definition is as complex as society itself and = -ever -> changing. Fascinating issues, but perhaps those should wait for later.= - -> Indeed, does it even make sense to include a concept like money in a sy= -stem -> intending to stick to strict mathematics as much as possible? I suppos= -e yes -> since we can think of practical uses, but thinking about it is making m= -y head +> PhysicalDimensions, and we could perhaps implement some other Categories for +> Dimensions not covered by SI (like money and bits, both of which are Basic +> Units as far as I can tell). Money might be defined in terms of other things +> in some sense, but that definition is as complex as society itself and ever +> changing. Fascinating issues, but perhaps those should wait for later. +> Indeed, does it even make sense to include a concept like money in a system +> intending to stick to strict mathematics as much as possible? I suppose yes +> since we can think of practical uses, but thinking about it is making my head > hurt ;-). -> = - +> "Now, you're thinking!" :-) -In my case, thinking about these things make me stare at the screen and t= -hen -fall asleep! But you got a point here, building unit systems should inclu= -de, or -at least allow future inclusion, of systems outside of the usual scientif= -ic +In my case, thinking about these things make me stare at the screen and then +fall asleep! But you got a point here, building unit systems should include, or +at least allow future inclusion, of systems outside of the usual scientific sphere. So having an WallStreetDimensions, SupermarketDimensions, -FontsMetricDimensions systems would be fun but we don't have to implement= - them +FontsMetricDimensions systems would be fun but we don't have to implement them right away. - -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBnPG-0002Ri-Ot - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:51:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBnP7-0002Pp-LR - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:50:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBnP5-0002Oy-SP - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:50:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBnP5-0002OH-8Z - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:50:55 -0400 -Received: from [209.226.175.184] (helo=tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBnMU-0005Sk-KW - for list; 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Instead the @@ -7186,44 +4880,11 @@ Cc: list good point. i'll fix this. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBuzf-0002ip-MV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:57:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBuzb-0002h9-53 - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:57:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBuzS-0002d7-Sb - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:57:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBuzR-0002QW-VY - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:56:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.22] (helo=mx-3.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EBuq9-0002nD-PK - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:47:21 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-3.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j84Dheeo008128; - Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:43:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-19-5.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.5]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110D87F404; - Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:43:27 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j84Deb025131; - Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:40:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:40:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - Bill Page on Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:44:12 -0400) Subject: Re: successfully built axiomUI on Fedora 3 x86-64 - <1125727461.5792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <1125812652.5907.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list I'd leave this detail for me to solve... @@ -7237,41 +4898,9 @@ I have the machinery to do this and it's a waste of Kai's time. The details of final integration are extremely time consuming and very tedious. -Tim - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBxiS-0007rM-NO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:51:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBxiG-0007mG-1v - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:51:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EBxi5-0007h2-6t - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:51:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EBxi1-0007U2-TW - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:51:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.22] (helo=mx-3.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EBxLL-0002iy-AO - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:27:43 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-3.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j84GO38c003501 - for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:24:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-19-5.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.5]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3B67F405 - for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:23:49 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j84GKwQ25487; - Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:20:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:20:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: --patch-45 @@ -7303,49 +4932,17 @@ Keywords: daly, broadbery 20050829 pab src/interp/daase.lisp modify create-initializers for Aldor 20050829 pab src/interp/ax.boot modify axFormatPred for Aldor - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EC2uW-0002YA-FX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:24:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EC2u3-0002Nt-29 - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:23:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EC2ty-0002Id-0U - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:23:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EC2tu-00026c-IE - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:23:46 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.192] (helo=nproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EC2fg-0004Qg-5c - for list; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:09:04 -0400 -Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l37so296153nfc - for ; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=ePTqeP2MHFrIxVoyEcNWusaE/UZ76tTGoce/Qp1sI3Ru90Mq+bxKrVEe2WzVQ25oIAZYyJrhCD5/7kyKbgnjrmv3IKCEfaor6SgLqh5eKwYjMrMT9MJZuq9Rhu2uTDEidtJBa5IsxQdeBIvaTMGaaFi5jd1cBxlI/0JEUP/6D8g= -Received: by 10.49.2.10 with SMTP id e10mr224430nfi; - Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.49.1.1 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:05:18 +0200 From: Pierre Doucy To: William Sit Subject: Re: axiom on Mac OSX - <43121C83.26D201EC@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -Cc: list ->=20 -> Can someone point out how to "dummy" out these, I believe non-existing un= -der -> MacOSX, files to force the compile to continue? or replacement files? (fo= -r a -> start, some version of localtime.c that wct.c would like. MACOSX must ha= -ve some +> Can someone point out how to "dummy" out these, I believe non-existing under +> MacOSX, files to force the compile to continue? or replacement files? (for a +> start, some version of localtime.c that wct.c would like. MACOSX must have some > equivalent time functions. ->=20 +> Hi all, @@ -7359,39 +4956,10 @@ it is from a 3 or 4 months old check out) Hope that helps, -Pierre - ---=20 -Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECPU9-0004dY-SJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:30:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECPU6-0004aB-Ex - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:30:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECPU3-0004Yn-OB - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:30:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECPU3-0004Y9-Hy - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:30:35 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECPSk-0006qj-St - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:29:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Sep 2005 22:25:14 -0000 -Received: from p549F4996.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.73.150] - by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 06 Sep 2005 00:25:14 +0200 -To: Bill Page - <1125727461.5792.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <1125812652.5907.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski - message of "Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:44:12 -0400") Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:25:51 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Kai Kaminski +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: successfully built axiomUI on Fedora 3 x86-64 Bill Page writes: @@ -7495,39 +5063,13 @@ week. After that I'll probably put some effort into the OS X port, unless I manage to get my hands on another Linux box. We'll see. Thanks for the patch, -Kai - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECPyv-000619-3w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:02:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECPyn-0005yU-TE - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:02:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECPyl-0005xD-77 - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:02:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECPrC-0003Td-GY - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:54:30 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECPYQ-0007Bs-GQ - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:35:06 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j85MUtwl013911; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:30:55 -0500 + +\start +Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:30:55 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction -Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:30:55 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [#202 Axiom Tutorial PDF on Windows - Bitmap - fonts used] upgrade Acrobat Reader +Subject: [#202 Axiom Tutorial PDF on Windows - Bitmap fonts used] upgrade Acrobat Reader -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/202AxiomTutorialPDFOnWindowsBitmapFontsUsed/diff --- There are several Axiom Tutorials. See http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomInterface @@ -7541,44 +5083,12 @@ http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html Older versions of Acrobat did not display all fonts properly. - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/202AxiomTutorialPDFOnWindowsBitmapFontsUsed#msg20050905173053-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECQsG-0007aL-Ue - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:59:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECQri-0007UV-AF - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:59:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECQrX-0007Ow-7s - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:58:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECQrX-0007LK-1a - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:58:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.20] (helo=mx-1.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECQkT-0003Hp-1a - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:51:37 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-1.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j85NlIHr031928; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:47:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-19-5.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.5]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B61F7F416; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:47:13 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j85NiJP11917; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:44:19 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:44:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Camm Maguire Subject: savannah, sourceforge up to patch-45 +Cc: Camm Maguire *, @@ -7590,44 +5100,12 @@ patches (although not the full aldor integration). I'm now compiling the sources on various platforms to update the binaries. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECTZb-00042b-Hg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:52:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECTY2-0003s1-QL - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:50:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECTXw-0003oG-IN - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:50:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECTXu-0003cA-Cz - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:50:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.24] (helo=mx-5.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECTKU-0005Gw-0C - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:36:58 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-5.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j862UwoM008556; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:30:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-19-5.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.5]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06FC7F404; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:30:57 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j862S3G02569; - Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:28:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:28:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Emil Volcheck" Emil Volcheck -Cc: Patricia Gianni Patrizia Gianni, "Tim Daly"@zoominternet.net, - sigsam_officers@acm.org, list, - doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net +From: Tim Daly +To: Emil Volcheck Subject: ACM/ISSAC Active Journal +Cc: Patrizia Gianni Emil, et. al. @@ -7698,49 +5176,12 @@ other computational science areas. Comments? -Tim Daly - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECTZc-00042z-Ti - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:52:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECTY2-0003s2-Oo - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:50:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECTXw-0003o2-Ha - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:50:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECTXu-0003cA-OC - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:50:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.24] (helo=mx-5.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECTJk-0005ES-Is - for list; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:36:12 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-5.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j862VdNo009295; 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Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:53:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECXKs-0000lI-JI - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:53:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECXKp-0000kG-4s - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:53:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECXKo-0000c2-2g - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:53:34 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.35] (helo=eastrmmtao04.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECX9X-00029w-QW - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:41:56 -0400 -Received: from ip68-230-220-222.rd.hr.cox.net ([68.230.220.222]) - by eastrmmtao04.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id - <20050906063750.KHRY15319.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@ip68-230-220-222.rd.hr.cox.net>; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:37:50 -0400 + +\start +Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:46:46 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: William Sit, - Cliff Yapp +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions -Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:46:46 -0400 - <431A849A.F14B49E4@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list On Sunday 04 September 2005 01:22 am, William Sit wrote: @@ -8542,40 +5901,11 @@ when we get done. (Derived Dimension simplification rules in SI will require a few more commands, based on my Maxima experience, and that didn't have anywhere near the flexibility this will have.) -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECbz1-0004Ds-GU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECbyu-00049U-1B - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECbyn-000446-EC - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECbyk-0003jc-29 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:06 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.44] (helo=vms044pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECboD-00081o-3r - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:40:13 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.205.74]) - by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix - 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id - <0IME00NPX87V34T6@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:35:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:35:56 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions To: Cliff Yapp -Message-id: <431D7F1C.B5CBF2FC@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <431A849A.F14B49E4@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - <200509060246.46840.Cliff Yapp> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions I have snipped without indication, a lot of the paragraphs that we agreed on. @@ -9121,116 +6451,48 @@ UnitSystem category. We have discussed the may functions, but there will be support functions, which are not too hard to implement and can be added quite naturally. -I look forward to seeing this becoming a reality. It has been quite an -interesting discussion. - -William - - +I look forward to seeing this becoming a reality. It has been quite an +interesting discussion. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECbz4-0004F3-Mc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECbz1-0004Dp-5s - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECbyw-0004AB-W3 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECbyu-0003jc-R5 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:51:16 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECbl9-0007q7-Mq - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:37:03 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j86BWnwl016483; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 06:32:49 -0500 +Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:32:49 -0500 From: MathAction (unknown) To: MathAction -Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:32:49 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [AxiomDownload] Huge Axiom Package -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- -The latest Axiom download package is HUGE to be downloaded over a slow dial-up connection. I downloaded it over several days just to realize that much of the material I downloaded was already with me. -The download system could have been even more flexible such as that of the cygwin package. The person who is downloading should have the choice of what he can download instead of compelling him to download everything. For eg, he can downlaod only bin, or bin+doc(dvi or pdf or ps or html as per his requirement). It would have been even better if the users could upgrade the previous versions instead of downloading it afresh (through a system more convinient than the CVS) -By the way don't ignore the people who have MikTex installed on there systems. --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20050906063245-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECeP9-0000rJ-Ic - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:26:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECeOg-0000ja-ME - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:26:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECeOb-0000iF-JJ - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:25:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECeOa-0000YV-UX - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:25:57 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECeEb-0004PG-Uk - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:15:38 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j86EBLwl023777; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:11:21 -0500 +The latest Axiom download package is HUGE to be downloaded over a slow +dial-up connection. I downloaded it over several days just to realize +that much of the material I downloaded was already with me. The +download system could have been even more flexible such as that of the +cygwin package. The person who is downloading should have the choice +of what he can download instead of compelling him to download +everything. For eg, he can downlaod only bin, or bin+doc(dvi or pdf or +ps or html as per his requirement). It would have been even better if +the users could upgrade the previous versions instead of downloading +it afresh (through a system more convinient than the CVS) By the way +don't ignore the people who have MikTex installed on there systems. + +\start +Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:11:21 -0500 From: MathAction (Tim Daly) To: MathAction -Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:11:21 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [AxiomDownload] -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- - -??changed: -- * "April 2005 --sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources -- -- The April release moves Axiom from GCL-2.6.5 to GCL-2.6.6, * "September 2005 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources The April release moves Axiom from GCL-2.6.6 to GCL-2.6.7, -??changed: -- 2) tar -zxf axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz 2) tar -zxf axiom-Sept2005-src.tgz ---removed: -- * "February 2005 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-20050201-src.tgz&it=February+2005+source+code -- -- This is a source tree for the axiom system. It represents the first "feature complete" version and -- includes integrated graphics and a document browser. -- - -??changed: -- (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+9+binary (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+9+binary -??changed: -- 2) tar -zxf axiom-Apr2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz 2) tar -zxf axiom-Sept2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz -??changed: -- (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+7.3+binary (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+7.3+binary -??changed: -- 2) tar -zxf axiom-Apr2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz 2) tar -zxf axiom-Sept2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz -++added: - "Fedora Core 4 (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-FC4-bin.tgz&it=Fedora+Core+3+binary @@ -9243,37 +6505,10 @@ sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-webs 5) export PATH=\$AXIOM/bin:\$PATH 6) axiom - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20050906091121-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECeqZ-0000iT-6U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:54:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECeqV-0000eC-7a - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:54:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECeqQ-0000cL-EN - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:54:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECeqP-0000YC-SU - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:54:42 -0400 -Received: from [209.226.175.93] (helo=tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECemk-0007fe-8b - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:50:54 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.236.11.156]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net - (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP - id <20050906144643.TNBX16985.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@asus>; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:46:43 -0400 -From: -To: "'Peter Broadbery'" Peter Broadbery +\start Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:46:25 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Peter Broadbery Subject: RE: aldor for axiom On September 2, 2005 10:49 AM Peter Broadbery wrote: @@ -9299,42 +6534,10 @@ It occurs to me that it might be quite appropriate to use Aldor itself to write the dependency generation program. Can you see any impediment to my doing this? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECi8X-0005NK-1V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:25:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECi8U-0005LH-6N - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:25:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECi8P-0005It-Cl - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:25:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECi8P-0005Io-8w - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:25:29 -0400 -Received: from [193.124.167.24] (helo=inpbox.inp.nsk.su) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EChti-0007aa-L6 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:10:19 -0400 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [193.124.167.6]) - by inpbox.inp.nsk.su (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id j86I5uIq006328; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:05:56 +0700 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j86I63Ld031722; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:06:03 +0700 -Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j86I623N031719; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:06:03 +0700 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:06:02 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin -To: root Tim Daly -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: trying to add a new output format Hello *, @@ -9553,46 +6756,10 @@ diff --recursive -U4 axiom--main--1--patch-45/src/interp/setvart.boot.pamphlet a )set output openmath on )set output openmath polymer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -Hoping for your help, -Andrey - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECiLR-0000ab-Ls - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:38:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECiIm-0008Iv-Aa - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:36:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECiIY-00089b-Ik - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:36:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECiIV-00081z-Qi - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:35:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.21] (helo=mx-2.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECiCK-0000Ul-Op - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:29:32 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-2.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86IP8kM009067; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:25:08 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-19-5.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.5]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41BE7F40B; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:25:07 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j86IMCl18059; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:22:12 -0400 +\start Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:22:12 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Andrey G. Grozin - (Andrey G. Grozin) - -Cc: list Subject: Re: trying to add a new output format > But I have a lot of questions (naturally). First, when I edit some @@ -9628,119 +6795,19 @@ re: typos. I'll apply the changes you sent. -t - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECl7C-0007Hj-KG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:36:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECl77-0007Fv-02 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:36:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECl70-0007Ag-Gs - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:36:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECl1R-00056V-4W - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:30:29 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECkcp-0006IO-HZ - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:05:03 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j86L0Zwl028900; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:35 -0500 -From: MathAction (Tim Daly) -To: MathAction -Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:00:35 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- - -??changed: -- The following preliminary pre-release binary versions of Axiom are available for testing: - The following binary versions of Axiom are available for testing: - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20050906160035-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClKn-0003XP-4m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:50:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClKh-0003U3-A4 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:50:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClKf-0003TV-JQ - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:50:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EClKf-0003Rm-Ee - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:50:21 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EClJ0-0000a9-D2 - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:48:38 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j86LiEwl006945; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:44:15 -0500 +\start +Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:44:14 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction -Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:44:14 -0500 -Cc: Subject: [AxiomDownload] -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- - -??changed: -- The April release moves Axiom from GCL-2.6.6 to GCL-2.6.7, This release moves Axiom from GCL-2.6.6 to GCL-2.6.7, --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20050906164414-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECluw-0000ng-RH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:27:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClun-0000jX-Dz - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:27:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECluh-0000fm-ES - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:27:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECluh-0000fj-Bl - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:27:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.24] (helo=mx-5.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EClNa-00019y-DX - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:53:22 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-5.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j86Lmxpp006446; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:48:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (acs-72-23-19-5.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.5]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D617F403; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:48:58 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j86Lk3J18094; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:03 -0400 +\start Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: MathAction - (MathAction) Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] -Cc: list, MathAction Bill, @@ -9749,39 +6816,12 @@ Good catch. You think I'd have learned to read by now. I've pushed the sept release out to savannah and sourceforge including sources and binaries for Redhat7.3, Redhat9, and FC4. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClvo-00013Z-Bv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:28:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClvm-00012t-1h - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:28:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1EClvl-00012W-Cj - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:28:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EClvJ-0000fj-Qe - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:28:13 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EClNe-0001AS-Rc - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:53:27 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j86Ln4wl008143; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:49:04 -0500 +Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:49:04 -0500 From: MathAction (root) To: MathAction - (MathAction) -Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:49:04 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] [AxiomDownload] +Subject: [AxiomDownload] -Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- Bill, Good catch. You think I'd have learned to read by now. @@ -9789,42 +6829,11 @@ Good catch. You think I'd have learned to read by now. I've pushed the sept release out to savannah and sourceforge including sources and binaries for Redhat7.3, Redhat9, and FC4. -Tim - --- -forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg200509062146.j86Lk3J18094@localhost.localdomain - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECqXR-0005D9-GL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:23:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECqXK-00057y-1V - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:23:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECqX9-00053J-Sk - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:23:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECqX9-000524-GU - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:23:35 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.34] (helo=eastrmmtao05.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECqRJ-0003Lo-Nc - for list; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:17:34 -0400 -Received: from ip68-230-220-222.rd.hr.cox.net ([68.230.220.222]) - by eastrmmtao05.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id - <20050907031318.MIRO23320.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ip68-230-220-222.rd.hr.cox.net>; - Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:13:19 -0400 +\start +Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:22:15 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions -Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:22:15 -0400 - <200509060246.46840.Cliff Yapp> - <431D7F1C.B5CBF2FC@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list On Tuesday 06 September 2005 07:35 am, William Sit wrote: > I have snipped without indication, a lot of the paragraphs that we agreed @@ -10307,43 +7316,11 @@ concepts I had a hard time with. If you're interested William I can send you a draft before dumping it on the list/wiki, since it is close to certain my first attempt will need a lot of tweaking, polishing, and rewriting. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECtMp-0006Tl-Sj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:25:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECtMh-0006R2-6y - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:25:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECtMd-0006Q7-HR - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:24:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECtMZ-0006OQ-MB - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:24:52 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.40] (helo=vms040pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECtI0-00051p-EB - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:20:08 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.135.41]) - by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix - 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id - <0IMF00EU6O22E5X2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:15:41 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions To: Cliff Yapp -Message-id: <431E858D.E96BAD6D@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <200509060246.46840.Cliff Yapp> <431D7F1C.B5CBF2FC@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - <200509062322.15537.Cliff Yapp> -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions C Y wrote: On Tuesday 06 September 2005 07:35 am, William Sit wrote: @@ -10589,45 +7566,10 @@ determining the accuracies of the input measurements. No problem and I'll be glad to help out. In any case, if it is on wiki, it will get modifiable by readers too! -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECtNI-0006Zv-K1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:25:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECtNC-0006Z3-5L - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:25:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECtN9-0006YK-Hp - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:25:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECtN8-0006OQ-RF - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:25:27 -0400 -Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECtAF-0004i5-EU - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:12:08 -0400 -Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) - by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20050907060747.IFYD21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:07:47 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home ([80.3.52.187]) - by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20050907060747.LEAO23288.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@obscurity.home>; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:07:47 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by obscurity.home (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id - j87681Em007354; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:08:03 +0100 -Received: (from pab@localhost) - by obscurity.home (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j87681e8007353; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:08:01 +0100 - Peter Broadbery using -f +Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:08:00 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Bill Page -Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:08:00 +0100 -Cc: list Subject: RE: aldor for axiom On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:46 -0400, Bill Page wrote: @@ -10650,44 +7592,12 @@ I'm more familiar with the java type library. If no one volunteers, then I might have a quick crack at it at some point. -Peter. - - --- -Peter Broadbery - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECvXg-0000IE-6M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:44:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECspU-0008EC-6C - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:50:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECspO-0008Bn-Ct - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:50:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECspN-0008BL-Ju - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:50:33 -0400 -Received: from [69.17.117.29] (helo=mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECsoB-0002zU-Ih - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:49:19 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12995 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 05:45:00 -0000 -Received: from dsl093-119-085.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO localhost) - (volcheck@[66.93.119.85]) (envelope-sender ) - by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA - encrypted SMTP - for ; 7 Sep 2005 05:44:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:44:57 -0400 From: Emil Volcheck To: ACM SIGSAM Officers List -Cc: "Tim Daly"@zoominternet.net, list, - doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, - Patricia Gianni Patrizia Gianni Subject: Re: [SIGSAM_OFFICERS] ACM/ISSAC Active Journal +Cc: Patrizia Gianni Tim, @@ -10781,127 +7691,13 @@ On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 10:28:03PM -0400, root wrote: > make the ISSAC CDs much more than just an electronic copy of a paper > journal. If this works then the ACM can spread the technology to the > other computational science areas. -> -> Comments? -> -> Tim Daly - --- -Emil Volcheck -Emil Volcheck -http://acm.org/~volcheck - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECvuz-0002Sp-B5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:08:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECvuj-0002HW-N6 - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:08:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECvtz-0001eS-ID - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:07:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECvtY-0001OT-Ek - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:07:05 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECvt3-0000Hg-Ev - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:06:33 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8791twl031012; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:01:55 -0500 -From: MathAction (Bill Page) -To: MathAction -Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:01:54 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [build Axiom] - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/BuildAxiom/diff --- - -??changed: -- Then untarred the following MSYS components using the command: - Then uncompress and untar the following MSYS components using the command: - -??changed: --8 You will also need to add c://Program Files/tla to the Windows path -8 You will also need to add c:/Program Files/tla to the Windows path - --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/BuildAxiom#msg20050907040154-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECw7g-0007nX-HB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:21:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECw7Y-0007l1-5G - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:21:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECw7S-0007iV-DH - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:21:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECw7R-0007P3-2f - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:21:25 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECvxf-0000bS-92 - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:11:19 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j8796nwl032444; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:06:49 -0500 -From: MathAction (Bill Page) -To: MathAction -Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:06:49 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [build Axiom] - -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/BuildAxiom/diff --- - -??changed: -- 1 'tla my-id First Last ' - 1 'tla my-id "First Last "' --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/BuildAxiom#msg20050907040649-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECwBG-0000LO-5C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:25:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECwBD-0000L5-Q1 - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:25:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECwBB-0000KR-GB - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:25:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECwBA-0000KC-SZ - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:25:17 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ECwAL-0001cy-Nj - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 05:24:25 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (lincoln.rosehosting.com [127.0.0.1]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j879K3wl003513; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:20:03 -0500 +\start +Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:20:03 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction -Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:20:03 -0500 -Cc: -Subject: [AxiomDownload] Re: Huge Axiom Package (on - Windows) +Subject: [AxiomDownload] Re: Huge Axiom Package (on Windows) -Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff --- The idea to have an interactive installation for Axiom (like Cygwin setup or like "synaptic":http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic on Debian) is a good one but implementation would be a lot of work! For one thing, such an installer @@ -10916,40 +7712,12 @@ to do this. In the meantime, instead of downloading the binary distribution, perhaps you might find it more convenient and interesting to build Axiom from source. The detailed instructions are here: BuildAxiom. --- -forwarded from http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload#msg20050907042001-0500@www.axiom-developer.org - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECzxD-0002Xf-Vc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:27:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECzx6-0002U2-46 - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:27:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ECzx1-0002R9-9s - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:26:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECzwz-0002HM-UZ - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:26:54 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.38] (helo=eastrmmtao01.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ECzmU-0002P4-Pj - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:16:03 -0400 -Received: from ip68-230-220-222.rd.hr.cox.net ([68.230.220.222]) - by eastrmmtao01.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id - <20050907131140.XQVE9903.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ip68-230-220-222.rd.hr.cox.net>; - Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:11:40 -0400 + +\start +Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:20:39 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions -Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:20:39 -0400 - <200509062322.15537.Cliff Yapp> - <431E858D.E96BAD6D@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list On Wednesday 07 September 2005 02:15 am, William Sit wrote: > C Y wrote: @@ -11209,41 +7977,11 @@ I'm thinking Axiom should be able to take it from there. Well, I'm trying to avoid abject public humiliation, too ;-) I'd rather have something at least semi-polished for the wiki. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ED0rt-0002LE-Gp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:25:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ED0rr-0002Ks-MU - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:25:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ED0ro-0002JF-AB - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:25:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED0ro-0002Ic-2U - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:25:36 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.44] (helo=vms044pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ED0qK-0007xp-Ef - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:24:04 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.135.41]) - by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix - 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id - <0IMG00NTUAGT2THB@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:19:44 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions To: Cliff Yapp -Message-id: <431EF700.D2667B14@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <200509062322.15537.Cliff Yapp> <431E858D.E96BAD6D@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - <200509070920.40059.Cliff Yapp> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions Just a quick answer for now: @@ -11528,48 +8266,12 @@ C Y wrote: > > Well, I'm trying to avoid abject public humiliation, too ;-) I'd rather have > something at least semi-polished for the wiki. -> -> Cheers, -> CY --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics....Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -Convent Ave at West 138th Street........Fax: 212-862-0004 -New York, NY 10031..Axiom, A Scientific Computation Sytem -USA............... http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/index.html - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1ED2DM-00082K-Jw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:51:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ED2C0-0007hq-7F - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:50:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1ED2Bp-0007d6-PR - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:50:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ED2Bp-0007XI-J3 - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:50:21 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.184] (helo=web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ED20i-0005bS-9e - for list; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:38:52 -0400 -Received: (qmail 80134 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2005 15:33:56 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=HRJtBPi9Nt8UR7LkQ0plr9g5G1G2uG/rCXPl4ie2ajSzBE5Wzlhhj2BBQzs0T+dh8cg9TpKfGKPIxPtrIWUU/9JeIuSlxgcX7gu5GpHOURlm4pMkOn+fzU0g/0gWyQhqpjo+E5v8KKuGFBI49T2S/41cAXROOEEeiUts9IVQBdk= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.204] by web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:33:55 PDT +\start Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions To: William Sit -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions --- William Sit wrote: @@ -11616,52 +8318,12 @@ not-seeing-things-clearly questions :-/. I've got to think about how to structure this sucker first, since it is clear there will be extensions to add for quite some time. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Editing Axiom's Source Code

-- --Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much easier. First of all you have to put boot-mode.el and noweb-mode.el (included in the noweb distribution, which in turn is included in the Axiom distribution) into your load-path. Then you add the following to your .emacs: -- -

Editing Pamphlets

- All of Axiom's source files are pamphlets now, which means they are literate programs as understood @@ -11673,8 +8335,6 @@ The first step is to put noweb-mode.el, which is contained in the Noweb distribution, into your load-path. Then add the following to your .emacs to load noweb-mode: -??changed: -- (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(".*\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode)) @@ -11712,8 +8372,6 @@ simple form of auto detection. Simply add the following to your .emacs: 
 
-??changed:
--
This code does not override file variables. It uses the auto-mode-alist-mechanism to choose the code mode and @@ -11735,8 +8393,7 @@ finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this: \author{John Doe} \maketitle -<<*>>= -source code +<<*>>source code @ The pamphlet doesn't contain any documentation and just one big code @@ -11791,17 +8448,6 @@ your load-path and add the following to your .emacs: 
 
-??changed:
--
--;; AUTO-MODE-ALIST
--
--(setq auto-mode-alist
--      (list*
--       '(".*\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode)
--       '(".*\\.boot" . boot-mode)
--       '(".*\\.lisp" . lisp-mode)
--       '(".*\\.c" . c-mode)
--       auto-mode-alist))
 (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
   '(".*\\.boot" . boot-mode))
 
@@ -11810,43 +8456,11 @@ your .emacs:
 Currently this mode doesn't do anything beyond very rudimentary syntax
 high-lighting and making comment-region work.
 
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 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 01:39:30 -0400
 From: William Sit
+To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
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 > C Y wrote:
 
@@ -11940,22 +8554,24 @@ understand the implications of a strongly typed language.
 > setDim("Length",4), since 4 is not a variable, but in the case of x it should
 > (at least IMHO) work.
 
-The problem is with subsequent arithmetic (not to mention the grander vector
-calculus) that involves quantities whose dimensions or units have not been
-defined, whether they be numbers or expressions. In some sense, this is again
-forcing the user to know what he is doing, to think of dimensions and units in
-every step of the computation. But users used to the sloppy way will find this
-very frustrating.  In the simple example above, s+7, the dimension and unit of 7
-are not given. Is it good idea to "help" the user and "guess" that 7 should have
-the same dimension and unit as s? If so, wouldn't that allow a sloppy user to
-add s [ft] to 7 [in] and get (s+7) [ft]? 
+The problem is with subsequent arithmetic (not to mention the grander
+vector calculus) that involves quantities whose dimensions or units
+have not been defined, whether they be numbers or expressions. In some
+sense, this is again forcing the user to know what he is doing, to
+think of dimensions and units in every step of the computation. But
+users used to the sloppy way will find this very frustrating.  In the
+simple example above, s+7, the dimension and unit of 7 are not
+given. Is it good idea to "help" the user and "guess" that 7 should
+have the same dimension and unit as s? If so, wouldn't that allow a
+sloppy user to add s [ft] to 7 [in] and get (s+7) [ft]?
 
 I think we should not provide such automation: two reasons: simplifies
-implementation, and forces the user to be specific on dimensions and units. So a
-user MUST declare, using setDimUnit, EVERY quantity he wants to compute using a
-unit system. If all inputs to an expression are declared ahead of time, the
-arithmetic will take place in the unit system domain and parsing done by the
-Interpreter, without the use of setValue. 
+implementation, and forces the user to be specific on dimensions and
+units. So a user MUST declare, using setDimUnit, EVERY quantity he
+wants to compute using a unit system. If all inputs to an expression
+are declared ahead of time, the arithmetic will take place in the unit
+system domain and parsing done by the Interpreter, without the use of
+setValue.
 
 It would be desirable to allow:
 
@@ -11992,58 +8608,12 @@ better to have fewer options and the system behaves consistently.
 
 I suppose the above is obsolete now?
 
-[snipped]
-
-William
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+Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 04:04:10 -0500
 From: MathAction (kai Kaminski)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 04:04:10 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom In Emacs] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomInEmacs/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--The first step is to put noweb-mode.el, which is contained in
--the Noweb distribution, into your load-path. Then add the
--following to your .emacs to load noweb-mode:
--
--;; NOWEB-MODE
--(require 'noweb-mode)
--(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
--  '(".*\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode))
--

 The first step is to put 'noweb-mode.el', which is contained in
 the Noweb distribution, into your 'load-path'. Then add the
 following to your '.emacs' to load 'noweb-mode'::
@@ -12054,45 +8624,18 @@ following to your '.emacs' to load 'noweb-mode'::
     '(".*\\\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode))
 
 
-??changed:
--First of all you can use the Emacs command noweb-set-code-mode, which
 First of all you can use the Emacs command 'noweb-set-code-mode', which
 
-??changed:
--call noweb-insert-mode-line (a misnomer). It will insert a
 call 'noweb-insert-mode-line' (a misnomer). It will insert a
 
-??changed:
--containing lisp code, for example, should have the following first line:
--
--% -*- mode: Noweb; noweb-code-mode: lisp-mode -*-
--

 containing lisp code, for example, should have the following first line::
 
   % -*- mode: Noweb; noweb-code-mode: lisp-mode -*-
 
-??changed:
--foo.ext.pamphlet, where ext indicates the type of
--the code chunks. For example, foo.lisp.pamphlet would contain Lisp
--code and bar.spad.pamphlet would contain spad code. This allows for a
 'foo.ext.pamphlet', where 'ext' indicates the type of
 the code chunks. For example, 'foo.lisp.pamphlet' would contain Lisp
 code and 'bar.spad.pamphlet' would contain spad code. This allows for a
 
-??changed:
--your .emacs:
--
--(defun kai:set-code-mode ()
--  (let* ((filename (buffer-file-name)))
--    (let ((end (string-match "\\.pamphlet" filename)))
--      (noweb-set-code-mode
--       (assoc-default (substring filename 0 end)
--                      auto-mode-alist
--                      'string-match
--                      'fundamental-mode)))))
--
--(add-hook 'noweb-mode-hook 'kai:set-code-mode)
--

 your '.emacs'::
 
   (defun kai:set-code-mode ()
@@ -12107,31 +8650,8 @@ your '.emacs'::
   (add-hook 'noweb-mode-hook 'kai:set-code-mode)
 
 
-??changed:
--the auto-mode-alist-mechanism to choose the code mode and
 the 'auto-mode-alist'-mechanism to choose the code mode and
 
-??changed:
--finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this:
--
--\documentclass{article}
--\usepackage{noweb}
--
--\begin{document}
--  \title{DWIM.BOOT.PAMPHLET}
--  \author{John Doe}
--  \maketitle
--
--<<*>>=
--source code
--@
--

--The pamphlet doesn't contain any documentation and just one big code
--  chunk. Usually that means that the original author didn't use
--  literate programming and that the source code was just transformed
--  to a pamphlet in the obvious - and useless - way. If you want to
--  transform it into a true literate program you'll often want to take
--[31 more lines...]
 finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this::
 
   \documentclass{article}
@@ -12142,8 +8662,7 @@ finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this::
     \author{John Doe}
     \maketitle
   
-  <<*>>=
-  source code
+  <<*>>  source code
   @
 
 The pamphlet doesn't contain any documentation and just one big
@@ -12182,20 +8701,8 @@ the new chunk to reside and press 'C-c y'.
 It would be nicer, if one could bind 'kai:noweb-yank'
 to 'C-y' instead. Unfortunately that doesn't work. The problem
 
-??changed:
--for C-y. I'm not sure if this explanation is accurate,
 for 'C-y'. I'm not sure if this explanation is accurate,
 
-??changed:
--put boot-mode.el into
--your load-path and add the following to
--your .emacs:
--
--;; BOOT-MODE
--(require 'boot-mode)
--(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
--  '(".*\\.boot" . boot-mode))
--

 put 'boot-mode.el' into
 your 'load-path' and add the following to
 your '.emacs'::
@@ -12205,46 +8712,13 @@ your '.emacs'::
   (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
     '(".*\\\\.boot" . boot-mode))
 
-??changed:
--high-lighting and making comment-region work.
--
 high-lighting and making 'comment-region' work.
 
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+Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:19:45 -0400
 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:19:45 -0400
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 On Thursday 08 September 2005 01:39 am, William Sit wrote:
 > > C Y wrote:
@@ -12489,43 +8963,12 @@ programatically, IIRC!).
 I think you addressed that problem in the previous email, but we'll see when 
 we get to coding :-).
 
-Cheers,
-CY
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -12696,38 +9139,11 @@ I think you have understood the design quite well.
 Yes, everything depends on how to coding goes! (especially when it comes to the
 compiler). 
 
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-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 >
@@ -12737,8 +9153,7 @@ Cc: list
 > comfortable with defaults, that is, undefined identifiers are of 
 > type Symbol (techically, Variable(s) for Symbol s), and any other 
 > operations will be promoted to a higher domain, usually POLY
-> INT, then that is fine. But if someone wants to work with say S :=
-> EXPR INT and uses SIUNitSystem(S), then he will have to package 
+> INT, then that is fine. But if someone wants to work with say S :> EXPR INT and uses SIUNitSystem(S), then he will have to package 
 > call the setDimUnit for an undefined identifier s.
 
 Ho boy, this is where my limited understanding of strong typing rears
@@ -12832,46 +9247,16 @@ the interpreter as opposed to coding it and compiling it?  In Maxima,
 generally speaking, it was all the same - I take it that's not the case
 here?  Eeep.
 
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 Date: 08 Sep 2005 23:07:44 -0400
-Cc: list, allenr@grandecom.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
+Cc: Allen Rouse
 
 Greetings!
 
-root Tim Daly writes:
+Tim Daly writes:
 
 > Camm,
 > 
@@ -12891,48 +9276,12 @@ accomplished the same thing.  It would be great if we could follow
 suit here as well.  The earlier call was a 'personality set'.  Do you
 have any idea of an analogous syscall here?
 
-Take care,
-
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> 
-
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+Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:21:57 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:21:57 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] compilation of axiom-Sept2005
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 I tried to build axiom-Sept2005 from sources on slackware-current but its compilation stops with an error:
 
 make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/axiom/src/boot'
@@ -12953,83 +9302,22 @@ make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/axiom'
 make: *** [all] Error 2
 
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+Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:23:14 -0500
 From: MathAction (root)
 To: MathAction
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-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:23:14 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [AxiomDownload] [AxiomDownload] compilation of
-	axiom-Sept2005
+Subject: [AxiomDownload] compilation of axiom-Sept2005
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 bootsys is a lisp image.
 can you start the bootsys image by hand?
 
 /usr/local/src/axiom/obj/linux/bin/bootsys
 
-Tim
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 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:34:02 -0400
 From: William Sit
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 To: Cliff Yapp
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -13097,13 +9385,14 @@ and not extendable to include something not anticipated.
   foo:PhysicalDimension:= Mass^2*Time*Length^(-3)
   setDim(foo, s)
 
-Making Dimension a free abelian group, written multiplicatively, based on some
-basic dimensions as generators (these may differ depending on expert area) may
-avoid the "Union" problem. We can now easily have a DimensionCategory. A
-corresponding UnitsCategory will also be a subcategory of the free abelian group
-category (FreeAbelianGroup is a category in Axiom, this will save a lot of
-implementation work since all the functions (equality, and reduction, for
-example) are built in already! We can have a free abelian group on ANY set. 
+Making Dimension a free abelian group, written multiplicatively, based
+on some basic dimensions as generators (these may differ depending on
+expert area) may avoid the "Union" problem. We can now easily have a
+DimensionCategory. A corresponding UnitsCategory will also be a
+subcategory of the free abelian group category (FreeAbelianGroup is a
+category in Axiom, this will save a lot of implementation work since
+all the functions (equality, and reduction, for example) are built in
+already! We can have a free abelian group on ANY set.
 
 We need more discussion on this, on how this affects the functions.
 
@@ -13129,38 +9418,11 @@ problems are you have to tell the compiler where to find the functions
 (coercion, package call). All abbreviations must also be defined for the
 compiler.
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 Oh, while I remember - would it workable to adopt the following
 notation for reduced dimensions?
@@ -13176,46 +9438,11 @@ I don't know how we want to denote this on units - my thinking at the
 moment is that reduced dimensions don't have reduced units, but that's
 just off the cuff.
 
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 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 > 
@@ -13345,58 +9572,11 @@ try and think some more about this.
 > tell the compiler where to find the functions (coercion, package
 > call). All abbreviations must also be defined for the compiler.
 
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 From: William Sit
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
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-William Sit
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-City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -13502,41 +9682,11 @@ Dimension domains. We will need to construct quotient objects in the abelian
 group category. Any introductory modern algebra book will have enough coverage
 for this project. Or just google.
  
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -13561,130 +9711,79 @@ reduced dimension is identical to the dimension. The user can also explicitly
 ask for a reduced dimension through functions such as reduce(identifier).
 Reduced dimension can have reduced units (why not)?
 
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-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
-From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem
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 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:27:05 +0200
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+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: William Sit
+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 Hi,
 
 Le vendredi 09 septembre 2005 =E0 09:42 -0400, William Sit a =E9crit :
-> --=20
-> William Sit
-> Department of Mathematics....Email: William Sit
-> City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179
-> Convent Ave at West 138th Street........Fax: 212-862-0004
-> New York, NY 10031..Axiom, A Scientific Computation Sytem
-> USA............... http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/index.html
->=20
->=20
+>
 > C Y wrote:
-> >=20
+> >
 > > --- William Sit wrote:
 > > > I'll leave that up to you. Enforcing a sticky dimension to an
 > > > identifier is similar to enforcing type to an identifier, so it
 > > > is similating dimensions as types.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > Hmm - is that good or bad?
->=20
-> Good for naive users and maybe even for expert users. But just like typ=
-es are
-> rigid, sticky dimension will also be rigid. There are users who prefer =
-more
+>
+> Good for naive users and maybe even for expert users. But just like types are
+> rigid, sticky dimension will also be rigid. There are users who prefer more
 > loose settings (that's one reason why Mathematica or Maple is popular).
->=20
+>
 > [snipped]
->=20
+>
 > > Except in the case of a student, they might just ignore the warning,
-> > accept the overwrite, and proceed with the calculation hoping they ca=
-n
+> > accept the overwrite, and proceed with the calculation hoping they can
 > > just ignore the problem and get an answer that "looks" right.
-> >=20
-> > Hmm.  How about this - by default we require an explicit unSetDim, bu=
-t
+> >
+> > Hmm.  How about this - by default we require an explicit unSetDim, but
 > > we provide a mechanism for advanced users whereby they can read in a
-> > script with the error mechanism reduced to a warning.  An advanced us=
-er
+> > script with the error mechanism reduced to a warning.  An advanced user
 > > will be able to find and use this, and by default we preserve Axiom's
 > > tough-guy rep ;-).
->=20
-> As long as you know how to do it. Axiom interpreter has three settings.=
- See )set
+>
+> As long as you know how to do it. Axiom interpreter has three settings. See )set
 > user. That may provide the switch. I don't know how that works.
->=20
+>
 > > > No matter how you try, there is no way to guarantee correct
 > > > verification of homogeneity of dimension in an equation or
 > > > expression. The best we can do is the guarantee that for reduced
 > > > dimension because the only algorithm to do the verification is to
 > > > reduce all dimensions to the basic dimensions.
-> >=20
-> > I'm working on an idea or two about expanding that a bit, but basical=
-ly
+> >
+> > I'm working on an idea or two about expanding that a bit, but basically
 > > it looks like you're right once we substitute for any derived
-> > dimensions.  I'm trying right now to straighten out the rules for suc=
-h
+> > dimensions.  I'm trying right now to straighten out the rules for such
 > > things in my head via writing them down ;-).
->=20
-> Speaking of "substitute", if Dimension is modeled by a free abelian gro=
-up (maybe
-> not even free, since it can be factored by using derived dimension defi=
-nitions
-> (relations); the more I toyed with this idea, the more promising that l=
-ooks),
-> then units can be obtained by a substitution. We may be able to let the=
- rules be
-> user add-ons. Again, need more thoughts on this.=20
->=20
+>
+> Speaking of "substitute", if Dimension is modeled by a free abelian group (maybe
+> not even free, since it can be factored by using derived dimension definitions
+> (relations); the more I toyed with this idea, the more promising that looks),
+> then units can be obtained by a substitution. We may be able to let the rules be
+> user add-ons. Again, need more thoughts on this.
+>
 > > > I had suggested earlier that the Rep include the reduced dimension
 > > > to make such checking more efficient. Then the dimension can be as
 > > > fancy as the user wants.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > Agree wholeheartedly now :-).
->=20
->=20
-> The reduced dimension would be the default representation in Dimension =
-if it is
-> modelled by a group. The only way to "recover" or retain the physical d=
-imension
+>
+>
+> The reduced dimension would be the default representation in Dimension if it is
+> modelled by a group. The only way to "recover" or retain the physical dimension
 > may be in the Rep of the UnitSystem domain itself, for each identifier.
->=20
-> So the group model will provide all the computation to get reduced dime=
-nsion and
+>
+> So the group model will provide all the computation to get reduced dimension and
 > also equality of dimension. The Rep retains both dimension and reduced
 > dimension.
->=20
->=20
->=20
-> =20
+>
+>
+>
+> 
 > > > This brings another design issue into sight: Dimension should be a
 > > > group (mathematical term) generated by the basic dimensions, but
 > > > allowing the user to define arbitrarily any derived units. We need
@@ -13693,7 +9792,7 @@ nsion and
 > > > as a Union of Strings, the set of dimensions is fixed
 > > > and not extendable to include something not anticipated.
 > > >
-> > >   foo:PhysicalDimension:=3D Mass^2*Time*Length^(-3)
+> > >   foo:PhysicalDimension:= Mass^2*Time*Length^(-3)
 > > >   setDim(foo, s)
 > > >
 > > > Making Dimension a free abelian group, written multiplicatively,
@@ -13705,86 +9804,39 @@ nsion and
 > > > implementation work since all the functions (equality, and
 > > > reduction, for example) are built in already! We can have a free
 > > > abelian group on ANY set.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > Well, I'll be able to comment better once I know what a free abelian
 > > group is/means, but in general it sounds like it's a good solution.
->=20
-> Well actually, the Mass, etc on the foo definition probably should have=
- been
-> quoted as strings, but they are NOT strings anymore, but are generators=
- for the
+>
+> Well actually, the Mass, etc on the foo definition probably should have been
+> quoted as strings, but they are NOT strings anymore, but are generators for the
 > group for the dimension domain.
-> =20
+> 
 > > > We need more discussion on this, on how this affects the functions.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > OK - I'll try and qualify myself - where are the good docs on free
 > > abelian groups?
->=20
-> An abelian group is simply a set with a commutative multiplicative (but=
- usually
-> written additively) binary operation and every element has a multiplica=
-tive
-> inverse. It is free if there are no relations among the generators. As =
-mentioned
+>
+> An abelian group is simply a set with a commutative multiplicative (but usually
+> written additively) binary operation and every element has a multiplicative
+> inverse. It is free if there are no relations among the generators. As mentioned
 > earlier, maybe we should actually allow non-free abelian group to model
-> Dimension domains. We will need to construct quotient objects in the ab=
-elian
-> group category. Any introductory modern algebra book will have enough c=
-overage
+> Dimension domains. We will need to construct quotient objects in the abelian
+> group category. Any introductory modern algebra book will have enough coverage
 > for this project. Or just google.
 
-You can have some introductory materials=20
+You can have some introductory materials
 in "Elements of Abstract and Linear Algebra" from E.H. Connell
 
 http://www.math.miami.edu/~ec/book/
 
 or Wikipedia.
 
-Cheers,
-
-Greg
->=20
-> William
->=20
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-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 >
@@ -13867,47 +9919,11 @@ a dimension.
 
 Hmm.  Time to regroup and state my ideas on the definitions of reduced.
  
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-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -13926,16 +9942,17 @@ C Y wrote:
 > would be a good idea, assuming I can convince you it's a good idea -
 > )set ShowReducedDimensions true  or some such.
 
-I think the global )set is the wrong place, since a lot of users are not going
-to bother with units (or have no need to use units). If you really like to use a
-different but optional notation in output for reduced dimensions, then use a set
-command in the package (and even include this in the category specificiation),
-remember this in the state vector, and modify the outputform coercions to do
-it.  This is different from the )set UnitSystem because one cannot include this
-setting in a unit system domain without first choosing the domain, whereas the
-reduced dimension flag may be unit-system dependent. (Even for the )set
-UnitSystem case, I have also suggested a simpler )library command to replace the
-)set command).
+I think the global )set is the wrong place, since a lot of users are
+not going to bother with units (or have no need to use units). If you
+really like to use a different but optional notation in output for
+reduced dimensions, then use a set command in the package (and even
+include this in the category specificiation), remember this in the
+state vector, and modify the outputform coercions to do it.  This is
+different from the )set UnitSystem because one cannot include this
+setting in a unit system domain without first choosing the domain,
+whereas the reduced dimension flag may be unit-system dependent. (Even
+for the )set UnitSystem case, I have also suggested a simpler )library
+command to replace the )set command).
 
 > The reduced dimension flag tells us that these dimensions are the
 > result of a substitution for some derived dimension, but otherwise we
@@ -13957,11 +9974,11 @@ dimension to a product and quotient of basic dimensions (that is where the idea
 of using a (free) abelian group written multiplicatively to model Dimension
 comes from), where each basic dimension only appears ONCE to some power. 
 
-Let's consider a hypothetical situation where electricity is used to raise a big
-steel ball with mass m to a certain height h and then give it a certain velocity
-v; assume that energy in the form of electricity can be provided at a rate p for
-a period t, we want to compute the excess electricity (as a margin of error)
-using the formula:
+Let's consider a hypothetical situation where electricity is used to
+raise a big steel ball with mass m to a certain height h and then give
+it a certain velocity v; assume that energy in the form of electricity
+can be provided at a rate p for a period t, we want to compute the
+excess electricity (as a margin of error) using the formula:
 
    E = p*t - m*g*h - 1/2* m*v^2
 
@@ -13973,21 +9990,23 @@ under the present proposal as:
 
   E := setDimUnit("Energy", "kwh", p*t - m*g*h - 1/2 * m * v^2)
 
-assuming all the other quantities are assigned their correct dimensions and
-units already. In reduced dimension,  =  but for E
-(I am starting to use pointed brackets to enclose dimensions IN DOCUMENTATION
-rather than the string quote even though they may be represented internally as
-strings; what do you think?), this basic dimension expression comes in three
-different ways of expressing energy, in terms of derived dimensions such as
-, ,  and the basic dimensions , ,
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