diff --git a/book/2004-09.txt b/book/2004-09.txt index 616a27e..d29827a 100644 --- a/book/2004-09.txt +++ b/book/2004-09.txt @@ -7495,7 +7495,7 @@ Speaking of testcases, you should have a look at AUnit. http://www.myjavaserver.com/~tmgisi/aldor-jsp/showPackage.jsp?id=1 Maybe this could be also useful for Axiom. Christian - took much effort to translate the JUnit +Christian Aistleitner took much effort to translate the JUnit idea from Java to Aldor. I think he did great work. Christian, could you update your website with the newest version. On the diff --git a/book/2005-10.txt b/book/2005-10.txt index a3792ce..afc2fff 100644 --- a/book/2005-10.txt +++ b/book/2005-10.txt @@ -15936,7 +15936,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:04:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:02:26 +0200 -To: "Christian Aistleitner" +To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp <20051015024201.52793.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17232.51049.47689.590835@seam101.local> @@ -16382,7 +16382,7 @@ Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXUw0qapUBSlMMpSHKW5oOWV1jULQACfQiA From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey, - "Christian Aistleitner" + "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:02 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -18880,7 +18880,7 @@ Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp <4354C2B6.5050402@hemmecke.de> <17238.2978.228447.563424@seam101.local> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:19:35 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery @@ -18935,7 +18935,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-74-203.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:56:29 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner Cc: list Hello, diff --git a/book/2006-04.txt b/book/2006-04.txt index c08e3f3..654b299 100644 --- a/book/2006-04.txt +++ b/book/2006-04.txt @@ -1,36 +1,7 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPYHM-0006AT-PE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:04:04 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPYHK-0006AO-R1 - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:04:02 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPYHJ-0006AC-MM - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:04:02 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPYHJ-0006A9-Gd - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:04:01 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPYJr-00050g-3g - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 00:06:39 -0500 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3153rc8019915; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:03:58 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C5F7F403; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:03:53 -0500 (EST) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k315oo116622; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:50:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:50:50 -0500 From: root Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:48:25 +0200) - <4429AF8D.1030309@hemmecke.de> - <1143766105.13605.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Subject: Re: #196 ')set functions compile on' patch applied. @@ -39,34 +10,11 @@ clear and well documented fix. excellent work. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPZnf-0002t5-4S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:41:31 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPZne-0002sn-3v - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:41:30 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPZnd-0002sb-BY - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:41:29 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPZnd-0002sY-9B - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:41:29 -0500 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPZqB-0001pt-PL - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:44:08 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k316fIHb080248; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:41:20 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 01 Apr 2006 08:45:23 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: choose the better expand -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2006 08:45:23 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Francois, @@ -152,35 +100,11 @@ math.sci.symbolic. I truly appreciate your work. I find it's a great pity that you cannot come to the workshop. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPZqa-0003GG-Vc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:44:32 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPZqZ-0003FV-D5 - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:44:31 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPZqX-0003Eh-NP - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:44:30 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPZqX-0003EX-FL - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:44:29 -0500 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPZt5-0001yz-Vu - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:47:08 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k316htHb080690; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:43:56 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 01 Apr 2006 08:48:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: choose the better expand -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2006 08:48:00 +0200 -Cc: list I forgot to add: @@ -193,39 +117,11 @@ If you teach axiom the trick - in a sensible manner - this would be great. I guess this all boils down to introduce an Expression Domain without variables. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPdIu-0007sV-RK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:26:00 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPdIt-0007sA-7W - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:25:59 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPdIr-0007ro-4R - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:25:57 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPdIq-0007rl-Vi - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:25:57 -0500 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FPdLR-0006GB-MF - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:28:38 -0500 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k31APrMh005983 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:25:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:26:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Map -Cc: 'axiom-developer' On 04/01/2006 04:50 AM, Bill Page wrote: > On March 31, 2006 9:12 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -250,34 +146,10 @@ want to get a quick advice. A SandBox is a very good place. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPguy-0005Pw-Ak - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:17:32 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPguw-0005PS-Gv - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:17:30 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPguu-0005Ot-RW - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:17:30 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPguu-0005Ol-NZ - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:17:28 -0500 -Received: from [68.168.78.44] (helo=mta13.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPgxW-0004U8-HM - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:20:11 -0500 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta13.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060401141723.OCMU3381.mta13.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]> - for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:17:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:02:24 -0500 From: Raymond Rogers -To: Axiom-Developer -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 +To: list Subject: FC5: rsync, lsp, 2412, etc Hi, @@ -294,80 +166,22 @@ Since I have doubts about present day software, I don't do automatic updates and am not familiar with using cvs and rsynch. Nice ideas but probably capable of causing some grief. -Ray Rogers - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPi3T-0003iQ-Vs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:30:23 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPi3T-0003iJ-8g - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:30:23 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPi3R-0003hl-OQ - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:30:22 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPi3R-0003hh-HP - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:30:21 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPi65-0002Js-70 - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:33:05 -0500 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k31FU7eb032299; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:30:12 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121F97F409; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:30:08 -0500 (EST) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k31GH6U30230; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:17:06 -0500 +\start Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:17:06 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: FC5: rsync, lsp, 2412, etc -Cc: list Ray, I just got the FC5 image this week so I have not yet tried to build an image there. -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPjFU-0005CC-N4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:46:52 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPjFT-0005Ba-MA - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:46:51 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPjFQ-00059E-Gz - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:46:51 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPjFQ-00059B-Ct - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:46:48 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPjI4-0004Yj-Le - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:49:32 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42FC40E1E; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:46:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FPjFN-0001oM-9f; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:46:45 +0200 +\start +Date: 01 Apr 2006 18:46:45 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: choose the better expand - <87wteafmhr.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <85lkuqgy7f.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 01 Apr 2006 18:46:45 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Martin, @@ -458,35 +272,10 @@ The function fctCtoN transforms c in R in n in Integer n<0 => -sinnx (-n, x) imag(complex(sin(x),cos(x))$CF**n) - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPjgD-000628-8K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:14:29 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPjgC-00061n-3K - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:14:28 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPjgA-00061Q-2Y - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:14:27 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPjg9-00061N-Vm - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:14:25 -0500 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp14.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPjio-0006PR-QM - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:17:10 -0500 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1412.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 09D3370000B2 - for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:14:24 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-46-252.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-46-252.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.200.252]) - by mwinf1412.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C0678700008A - for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:14:23 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: axiom-developer Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:14:41 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: #109 and #153 in pending status Hi, @@ -496,42 +285,11 @@ Is it possible to close issues #109 and #153 (old pending status) ? I can't check these issues since i have uncompress and i don't use the makefile install target. - -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPkzq-0000JW-4G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:38:50 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPkzo-0000Ip-3P - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:38:48 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPkzm-0000GZ-7r - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:38:47 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPkzm-0000GG-0W - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:38:46 -0500 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPl2R-0003bn-AW - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:41:31 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k31Ic4Hb026926; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:38:06 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 01 Apr 2006 20:42:11 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: choose the better expand - <87wteafmhr.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <85lkuqgy7f.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <87fykxnszu.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2006 20:42:11 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -579,40 +337,10 @@ default: [TRUE] - controls the "product" rule for TRIGEXPAND. Thus, when the TRIGEXPAND command is used or the TRIGEXPAND switch set to TRUE, expansion of products (e.g. SIN(2*X)) will take place only if TRIGEXPANDTIMES is TRUE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPlZN-0002R7-ES - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:15:33 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPlZL-0002QU-6s - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:15:31 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPlZJ-0002QG-Gb - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:15:30 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPlZJ-0002QD-DI - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:15:29 -0500 -Received: from [66.249.82.203] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPlbz-0005nd-CA - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:18:15 -0500 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so610406wxc - for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=MU31vYqZQI+5f8+S9hd1zfK9P3AfZJdq36nj4TjDW8LTKld0Xs2OAmFoj2xwYzkn7wJaCvbrJxchxm3Ryi1cmeXC+57dZ4exH59fXUBz8UkrENP1VyA1KwaM56IEBQGLLBBYLr/u8/bqQBcAXOdPEbGf+HpfyytUTMUgZZvq3ck= -Received: by 10.70.50.19 with SMTP id x19mr1807097wxx; - Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) -Received: by 10.70.132.15 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:15:28 -0800 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Re: Map Sorry, @@ -651,43 +379,12 @@ On 4/1/06, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > want to get a quick advice. > > A SandBox is a very good place. -> -> Ralf -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPm7l-000759-Ex - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:51:05 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPm7k-000754-4u - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:51:04 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPm7h-00073U-PF - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:51:02 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPm7h-00073R-MC - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:51:01 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPmAN-0000JT-RZ - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:53:48 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D0740E26; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:50:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FPm7d-00020r-Sc; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:50:57 +0200 +Date: 01 Apr 2006 21:50:57 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: choose the better expand - <87wteafmhr.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <85lkuqgy7f.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <87fykxnszu.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <85acb5yw70.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 01 Apr 2006 21:50:57 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Martin, @@ -721,86 +418,27 @@ recursif does the silly expand (sin (sin (a+b))) ????? expands sin (x/3+y/2) * cos (x/2-y/7) in sin... cos... x/6 and y/14 ! (but I'm not sure I can do it !) -Good night ! - -Francois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPmAH-00006n-Jo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:53:41 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPmAG-00006I-Jd - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:53:40 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPmAE-00004t-Th - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:53:40 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPmAE-0008WU-OS - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:53:38 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPmCu-0000Vo-Sc - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:56:25 -0500 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A9640F26; - Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:53:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FPmAC-00021B-G7; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:53:36 +0200 -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: Map - -From: Francois Maltey +\start Date: 01 Apr 2006 21:53:36 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Francois Maltey +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: Map Salut Antoine ! -I believe it's map (degree #1, a) we must type in .spad files.=20 +I believe it's map (degree #1, a) we must type in .spad files. Last days I make the same error. I find this tips by grep .spad file. Je pense que tu as oubli=C3=A9 le #1, mais je n'ai pas test=C3=A9. -La syntaxe de caml est si pure que l'on oublie facilement=20 +La syntaxe de caml est si pure que l'on oublie facilement les petits arrangements comme ceux-la. -FMy - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPpML-000673-BP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:18:21 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPpMI-00066h-RW - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:18:18 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPpMG-00066U-CM - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:18:17 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPpMG-00066R-6R - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:18:16 -0500 -Received: from [66.249.82.202] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FPpOy-00052A-H1 - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:21:04 -0500 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so624429wxc - for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:18:14 -0800 (PST) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=Xw6vNSaFjF08zCcyipjrftI1o/2KqLsA/eeO0PgVlHy2podAe8IwZU/Dzctckuocn4alpEX8AzcTk7btheaATshIJWpCqrm9Edxsea6JhZetfZ4bo45R8PTLGzmJdK6F0g7OSEojohFFBC1/SmzOUluaXRddx0SgA5lMed5DPxs= -Received: by 10.70.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr373898wxz; - Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:18:14 -0800 (PST) -Received: by 10.70.132.15 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:18:14 -0800 (PST) +\start Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:18:14 -0800 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Francois Maltey" Francois Maltey +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: Map - - <87odzlm5rz.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-developer Hello, @@ -826,37 +464,11 @@ Quand j'utilise Aldor le compilateur donne beaucoup plus d'information, je me demande si avec un satisfacteur de contrainte il ne serais pas possible d'avoir un peu plus de souplesse. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPqYN-0002TU-4G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:34:51 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPqYL-0002SF-ST - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:34:49 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FPqYK-0002Ps-46 - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:34:49 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FPqYJ-0002Pb-Ve - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:34:48 -0500 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FPqb2-0000jq-Ll - for list; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:37:36 -0500 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k320YgMh030136 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 2 Apr 2006 02:34:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:34:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Map - -Cc: axiom-developer On 04/01/2006 09:15 PM, Antoine Hersen wrote: > Sorry, @@ -897,42 +509,11 @@ reason if you are (like me) unfamiliar with that output. Well, anyway, use Aldor and enjoy better error messages. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQ007-00015v-N0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:40:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQ006-00015o-9x - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:40:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQ004-00015c-VB - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:40:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQ004-00015Z-Os - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:40:04 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.202] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQ02t-0001XF-HL - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:42:59 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so652960wxc - for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=s4Oa/6M0WSQftdPjrBBFgWc6o8lAwvL7lh1ecoVINFpWaLHnROJm5NbkOH0RwGCFeQRetmuH3qZoRwtorqX0/t+BzFk9oCAonkKgQ79+cwocgN2oNDStRi4Vdj9IUxHXRM0T4N4ZfJVXXnWvw9/TUuODVdZ1kA4z7aQhOS+AbsA= -Received: by 10.70.47.18 with SMTP id u18mr688722wxu; - Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.15 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:40:03 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Map - - <442F1C19.4000306@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-developer Hello, @@ -967,8 +548,8 @@ Has an exercise I could create a new domain : Map(A:Type, B:Type): with { map: (A->B , List A) -> List B ; -} =3D=3D add { - map( f:(A->B), la :List A):List B =3D=3D { +} == add { + map( f:(A->B), la :List A):List B == { [ f i for i in la ] } } @@ -976,7 +557,7 @@ map( A->B, List A )$Map(A,B) or maybe create a function -map(A:Type, B:Type, f:A->B, la: List A) : List B =3D=3D +map(A:Type, B:Type, f:A->B, la: List A) : List B == [f i for i in la] ; Anyway sorry for the vague question. @@ -1026,44 +607,11 @@ On 4/1/06, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > reason if you are (like me) unfamiliar with that output. > > Well, anyway, use Aldor and enjoy better error messages. -> -> Ralf -> -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQF2D-00082S-C1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:43:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQF2B-000824-QQ - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:43:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQF2B-00081r-4S - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:43:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQF2B-00081o-0N - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:43:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQF59-00081S-0A - for list; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:46:19 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270544F3B0; 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My axiom-developer.org mail address is down until we get the @@ -1179,39 +661,11 @@ the duration. Since list is hosted by savannah the mailing list distribution is not affected. -Tim Daly - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQJzU-0001B1-I4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:00:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQJzS-000189-Tx - for list; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:00:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQJzQ-000159-Jx - for list; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:00:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQJzQ-000151-F1 - for list; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:00:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQK2Q-0002B6-TD - for list; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:03:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k337woHb054716; - Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:58:53 +0200 (CEST) +\start +Date: 03 Apr 2006 10:03:03 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: choose the better expand - <87wteafmhr.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <85lkuqgy7f.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <87fykxnszu.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <85acb5yw70.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <87sloxm5we.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 03 Apr 2006 10:03:03 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -1253,36 +707,11 @@ only help after the workshop, but I'll do my best. Since I'm very bad at trigonometrics, I find the description above a little terse. Precise definitions would be very helpful. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQgbQ-0003Sn-Ar - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:09:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQgbO-0003Qm-P2 - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:09:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQgbM-0003Nl-Mq - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:09:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQgbM-0003NX-HB - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:09:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQgeb-0007h2-B1 - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:12:45 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3487fHb065369; - Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:08:09 +0200 (CEST) -To: axiom-dev , aldor-l -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Apr 2006 10:11:57 +0200 -Cc: -Subject: operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Dear all, @@ -1333,38 +762,11 @@ subdomains of domains of A, which are no longer closed under op. Can you propose a "natural" hierarchy of categories for this situation? Since this occurs so often, I hope that there is a nice solution... -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQgxx-0002pJ-C3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:32:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQgxv-0002mV-SC - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:32:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQgxt-0002h1-SK - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:32:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQgxt-0002gm-OP - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:32:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQh18-00017D-US - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:36:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k348WOHb079315; - Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:32:26 +0200 (CEST) -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: Map - - <442F1C19.4000306@hemmecke.de> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Apr 2006 10:36:41 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Martin Rubey +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: Map Dear Antoine, @@ -1394,42 +796,11 @@ click signatures (still a lot of work, since there are so many, but better than )show) -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQh8g-0006Ty-F0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:43:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQh8e-0006To-HN - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:43:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQh8c-0006TA-M0 - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:43:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQh8c-0006T5-Au - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:43:46 -0400 -Received: from [134.34.143.6] (helo=spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQhBr-00021W-8R - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:47:07 -0400 -Received: from clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (clifford [134.34.143.32]) - by spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04159; - Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:08:17 +0200 (MET DST) -Received: from clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with - ESMTP id k347hnKJ011596; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:43:49 +0200 -Received: from localhost (fauser@localhost) - by clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id - k347hnUr011593; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:43:49 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:43:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Bertfried Fauser To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in - special cases -- help needed -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed On 4 Apr 2006, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -1493,46 +864,13 @@ Lawvere!) is used to do so, nobody would start with Set to do say differential topology. Also a computer algebra system which would tried to do this would be doomed to fail. -ciao -BF. - -% PD Dr Bertfried Fauser -% Institution: Max Planck Institute for Math, Leipzig -% Privat Docent: University of Konstanz, Phys Dept -% contact|->URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser/ -% Phone : Leipzig +49 341 9959 735 Konstanz +49 7531 693491 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQiLG-0004oX-9N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:00:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQiLE-0004oP-RO - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:00:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQiLD-0004o0-Ex - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:00:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQiLD-0004nw-7G - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:00:51 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQiOT-0007hF-2I - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:04:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k349uuHb031541; - Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:57:01 +0200 (CEST) -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - -From: Martin Rubey +\start Date: 04 Apr 2006 12:01:14 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +From: Martin Rubey +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed -"Christian Aistleitner" writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: > Dear Martin, > @@ -1586,40 +924,11 @@ vertices So, what to do? -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQkfh-0005sP-Jg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:30:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQkff-0005qk-CH - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:30:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQkfe-0005qB-Ez - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:30:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQkfd-0005q2-Pp - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:30:05 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FQkiv-0006xU-8i - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:33:29 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k34CTnMh011327 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:29:50 +0200 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:30:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed On 04/04/2006 10:11 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Example 1, Matroids @@ -1678,40 +987,11 @@ the "ClosurePropertyCategory". I don't yet know whether this is the best thing, but I cannot think of anything better at the moment. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQnxp-0002Hh-LA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:01:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQnxn-0002HI-Bq - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:01:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQnxm-0002Gx-8z - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:01:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQnxm-0002Gs-03 - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:01:02 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.44] (helo=vms044pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQo15-0001vd-Bi - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:04:27 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.163.200]) - by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX7004R8GG69W48@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:00:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:00:11 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <4432980B.4EDCE622@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Dear Martin: @@ -1928,45 +1208,13 @@ RatCat. The two examples you gave present two different problems. -William - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQxkI-0002zX-BZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:27:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQxkG-0002yd-AP - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:27:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQxkC-0002uS-Vi - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:27:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQxkC-0002uI-Sm - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQxnc-0003Sp-JE - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:31:12 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF5D4F3B0; - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:27:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k352QEtZ019566; 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Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:55:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k352tiOb019689; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:55:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200604030353.k333rrH02332@localhost.localdomain> - - <200604050324.k353OwH03821@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Apr 2006 04:55:44 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | it's still at patch-47. | updates are done on a best-effort, two-month interval. @@ -2116,43 +1297,11 @@ you if they could check-in patches, after public review and we have procedure for that (we already have procedure for producing and testing patches). -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQyYU-0005va-WD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:19:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQyYS-0005vV-Mc - for list; 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Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:30:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k354UbJv019967; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:30:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 05 Apr 2006 06:30:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Apr 2006 06:30:37 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -2371,38 +1488,11 @@ we're willing to lower the entry barrier. For example, I hope to succeed in attracting students to Axiom, but that would succeed only if they are not intimidated. -My two cents. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR30S-0006Ul-C2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:04:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR30R-0006Ub-Dh - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:04:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR30Q-0006UH-Ds - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:04:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FR30Q-0006UE-Ag - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:04:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FR33t-0008Aj-28 - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:08:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3584AHb064895; - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:13 +0200 (CEST) -To: William Sit -Subject: Re: operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed - <4432980B.4EDCE622@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Apr 2006 10:08:31 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Dear William, * @@ -2500,43 +1590,13 @@ a single problem, too. However, I do like your approach, so I will give it a try. -Thanks again, - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR3tx-0002LX-ER - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:02:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR3tv-0002Kq-Tl - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:02:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR3tt-0002K4-QF - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:02:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FR3tt-0002Jy-JQ - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:02:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FR3xM-0003bx-QG - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:05:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k35914Hb098526; - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:01:07 +0200 (CEST) -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <85d5fxlkwl.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Apr 2006 11:05:25 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +From: Martin Rubey +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed -"Christian Aistleitner" writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: > I am not familiar with matroids, so let me get this straightened out. > > 1. Graphic non-planar matroids do not provide a way to compute a dual @@ -2568,40 +1628,11 @@ I think that William Sit got it right -- and his solution is simple, too -- but I don't have time right now to check the details. He sent his mail also to Aldor-l, so you should have gotten it... -Are we going to meet on the workshop? - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR46A-0006cd-Kp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:14:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQi0c-0007gb-QW - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:39:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FQi0a-0007gP-5E - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:39:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQi0a-0007gM-0v - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:39:32 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FQi3p-00067H-Og - for list; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:42:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Apr 2006 09:39:29 -0000 -Received: from 83-65-215-29.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [83.65.215.29] - by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 04 Apr 2006 11:39:29 +0200 -To: Martin Rubey, - axiom-dev , aldor-l Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:39:29 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Martin Rubey, +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Dear Martin, @@ -2680,40 +1711,11 @@ MatroidType: Category == with { } } - -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR46A-0006cp-SR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:14:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR3gV-0007fv-Dp - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:48:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR3gT-0007f2-5v - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:48:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FR3gS-0007ez-VN - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:48:13 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FR3jw-0002dY-4I - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:51:48 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Apr 2006 08:48:08 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-74-120.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.74.120] - by mail.gmx.net (mp031) with SMTP; 05 Apr 2006 10:48:08 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:48:06 +0200 +From: Christian Aistleitner To: Martin Rubey - - <85d5fxlkwl.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Hello Martin, @@ -2851,41 +1853,11 @@ superfluous. Therefore, 3. is redundant and already contained. Obviously, I misunderstood the problem, as my solution seems too easy :(( - - --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR46A-0006cf-OS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:14:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR2mE-0003Do-FK - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:50:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR2mC-0003Cu-5D - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:50:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FR2mB-0003Cn-Nq - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:50:03 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FR2pe-000795-BG - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:53:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Apr 2006 07:50:02 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-74-120.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.74.120] - by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 05 Apr 2006 09:50:02 +0200 -To: Bertfried Fauser, - Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +\start Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:49:58 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bertfried Fauser, Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Hi Bertfried, @@ -2913,42 +1885,11 @@ According to Martin's description of matroids and "graphical matroids", a So a "graphical matroid" should _not_ be modelled as a specialisation of matroid. --- -King regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR5AJ-00075y-Vg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:23:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR5AH-00075n-TW - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:23:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR5AD-00075E-7T - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:23:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FR5AD-00075B-4y - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:23:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FR5Dh-0000nf-4L - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:26:37 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k35AMmMh020191 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:22:48 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:23:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: William Sit -Subject: Re: operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed - <4432980B.4EDCE622@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Dear William, @@ -3101,40 +2042,11 @@ and call it with That sounds to me as follows: If E' \supset E and I \subseteq Power(E) then the matroids (E, I) and (E', I) are the same. I cannot believe that. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR97X-0005jY-Of - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR97V-0005jD-PG - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FR97S-0005j1-4y - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FR97R-0005iy-Vg - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:36:26 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FR9Ay-000859-M0 - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:40:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 70538 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 14:36:03 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=dn5jvkNyzompMW+Use2s//5GLrIjRKDMxFZVlBY5ZbiBDWt/s2gx1PNELxtYFsdgAq2lIGx0AKLlOyzXjw6hrZG+N8nNd6qOrhG2YnGDqj7GkKneuuWtoug9NN1F02rQ3m+QIKGaGair8wsS6EL9JHBIq9aDTyCIfxdR/XrkjYM= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:36:03 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list -Subject: Developers and Axiom (was Re: typo in - src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet) +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Developers and Axiom (was Re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet) --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -3236,50 +2148,11 @@ will be in a good position to incorporate them into our branch, and in the meantime the ambiguity of Aldor in Axiom can end and we can start transitioning away from SPAD for real. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRAWb-0001pH-GY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:06:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRAWZ-0001n0-8I - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:06:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRAWX-0001lb-Am - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:06:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRAWX-0001lQ-4E - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:06:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRAa4-0008BQ-OS - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:10:04 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k35G6H2a016174; - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:06:17 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2767F406; - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k35GrC104865; - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:53:12 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:53:12 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:36:03 -0700 (PDT)) -Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom (was Re: typo in - src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet) - J_CHICKENPOX_38 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom (was Re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet) CY writes: @@ -3452,42 +2325,11 @@ i find it extremely productive. i run "C-x e" every 10 lines of changes (about once every minute or two) so i know that the latest change will compile, latex, and run the test cases properly. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRAwY-0007FY-Gp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:33:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRAwV-0007EN-PA - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:33:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRAwU-0007DU-2y - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:33:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRAwT-0007DO-SK - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:33:13 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRB01-0002Jj-Ly - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:36:53 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k35GXAMh028016 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:33:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom (was Re: typo - in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet) - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom (was Re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet) Hello, @@ -3517,42 +2359,12 @@ could point other people to it? We should have several such examples. I guess that would help new people to start working. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRHAv-0007hN-Sz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:12:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRHAu-0007h7-6r - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:12:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRHAt-0007gt-1l - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:12:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRHAs-0007gm-T6 - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:12:30 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.192] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRHEU-0008Pl-Qj - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:16:15 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s16so6270wxc - for ; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:12:29 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=QmgHfM4y+q1mShfhHoF8pDfNYEyi5oTwmf4VB3vUHJvqMIetbs7E8os3ukPSlCtwATi1+mSoC5SUT2LpQIbxnDbxfkuAxKEtSQ3eqEB5CeVykp0grLhb7vfgVFTC+g3BpJhuRwNLrQ+QFd9EFj8ATJcOZXo8KaUVulUXVXmgeCQ= -Received: by 10.70.130.14 with SMTP id c14mr247904wxd; - Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:12:23 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer - boundary="----=_Part_14128_14507486.1144278743990" +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Personel Section in MathAction ? -------=_Part_14128_14507486.1144278743990 - Hello, When I am working on Axiom, I often have ideas, comments, "lesson learned", @@ -3580,47 +2392,16 @@ but are not "front page ready". ting for other people to ?
Easy to implement ?

Antoine Hersen

-------=_Part_14128_14507486.1144278743990-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRJYR-0003s2-CQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:44:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRJYQ-0003rx-9a - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:44:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRJYO-0003rl-Pv - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:44:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRJYO-0003ri-KW - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:44:56 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRJc1-000068-RQ - for list; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:48:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28148 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2006 01:44:55 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=YnVYzmbuMucWTDZsFTxxUpATybYDrHIWMzQ6W9Fy/16wV4zr/WUrednXogr/+5JRFEvmeNql2eL/7MyWhZiftjGj8ErnxeOVeXImYOXHEr14jXrL4Ir8YStD+UXg1H4XeKmHH6MuFsht5cXbaD968wb1WA+g3RxgWmNXH2Uhbpk= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:44:55 PDT +\start Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Personel Section in MathAction ? -To: Antoine Hersen, - axiom-developer -Cc: Maybe you want to take a look at http://portal.axiom-developer.org? That's pretty much what I use it for ;-) -Cheers, -CY - --- Antoine Hersen wrote: > Hello, @@ -3647,44 +2428,11 @@ CY > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer > - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRN2Q-00072q-C4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:28:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRN2O-00072l-TX - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:28:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRN2M-00072Z-Jt - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:28:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRN2M-00072W-DA - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:28:06 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRN61-0006DS-OE - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:31:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Apr 2006 05:28:04 -0000 -Received: from 85-126-38-179.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.126.38.179] - by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 06 Apr 2006 07:28:04 +0200 -To: Martin Rubey - - <85d5fxlkwl.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - - <85psjwo0iy.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:28:02 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: list +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Hello Martin, @@ -3698,43 +2446,11 @@ However ... > Are we going to meet on the workshop? -I hope so. - -Kind regards, -Christian - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FROjo-0000fP-2z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:17:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FROjl-0000eS-P5 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:17:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FROji-0000cq-Qi - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:17:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FROji-0000cU-EP - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:16:58 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FROnO-0005KK-68 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:20:46 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k367GmMh018091 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:16:49 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:52:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet - -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -3769,45 +2485,11 @@ like to contribute code.) Since I have no idea about how this works, could you be a bit more specific? -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRPrv-0003KM-2y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:29:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRPrs-0003Jh-ND - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:29:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRPrr-0003J6-Lw - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:29:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRPrr-0003J3-IS - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:29:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRPvY-00028n-T3 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:33:17 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A9C40F65; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:29:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k368RttZ025673; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:27:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k368Rtn6025672; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:27:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 06 Apr 2006 10:27:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Apr 2006 10:27:55 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -3867,36 +2549,10 @@ about the patch and suggest directions for improvements. If the patch is outrageous, let say the patch suggests to sink Axiom, then an answer might be "don't propose that again." :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQ1f-0007R5-4s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:39:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQ1c-0007Qx-JM - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:39:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQ1Z-0007Q5-2A - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:39:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRQ1Y-0007Pu-Rw - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:39:28 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRQ5G-00038r-3P - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:43:18 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k368dQMh019611 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:39:27 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:40:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Latex Package problem Hello, @@ -3941,37 +2597,11 @@ Type H for immediate help. l.1744 \ProcessOptionsWithKV{Hyp} - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQW6-00031o-U1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:11:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQW4-00031S-Pm - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:11:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQW3-00031G-F7 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:11:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRQW3-00031D-AT - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:10:59 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRQZk-0005pj-4k - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:14:48 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k369AqMh020169 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:10:52 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:11:43 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet - -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -4072,46 +2702,11 @@ need to teach a bit. And in order not to hide this course inside the mail archive, it would be just great, if you could open up a page on AxiomWiki and let us know. (Thanks in advance.) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQoL-0002rK-KH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:29:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQoH-0002oE-Cj - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:29:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRQo9-0002iY-MQ - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:29:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRQo9-0002iH-BF - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:29:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRQrq-0007O6-M4 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:33:31 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1425240F82; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:29:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k369S9tZ026037; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:28:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k369S9Ue026036; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:28:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 06 Apr 2006 11:28:09 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> - - <4434DB4F.1000905@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Apr 2006 11:28:09 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4217,36 +2812,10 @@ the week of 16 April when I'm back to work place. I'm glad we can work out a plan to make a live branch. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRScr-00046s-Dl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:26:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRScq-00046S-1K - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:26:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRScn-00046C-Mk - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:26:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRScn-000469-Ij - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:26:05 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRSgW-00088P-Au - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:29:56 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k36BQ2Mh022730 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:26:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:26:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Mathaction and Spammers Look at @@ -4259,38 +2828,11 @@ manually removing it)? Bill, is there a way to include a spamchecker? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRTGg-00068n-30 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:07:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRTGe-00066A-G3 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:07:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRTGc-00064e-IU - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:07:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRTGc-00064P-Cm - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:07:14 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRTKL-00030A-L7 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:11:05 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k36C6oGV024715; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, - "'axiom-dev'" -Subject: RE: Mathaction and Spammers Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:06:42 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Mathaction and Spammers On April 6, 2006 7:27 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -4330,42 +2872,11 @@ to post a comment. I will look into this some more, but it is difficult on the web. The Zwiki developers have been struggling with this for some time. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRTVU-0004pJ-Ec - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:22:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRTVS-0004nw-Lc - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:22:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRTVR-0004nS-Qm - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:22:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRTVR-0004nM-Ir - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:22:33 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRTZA-0004NS-Uh - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:26:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k36CMVxY024513 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:22:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:23:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Mathaction and Spammers -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Hi Bill, @@ -4417,41 +2928,10 @@ I am not so much into this busines, but what I think is that before anything from a comment is added to the page it is sent through a spam-filter like SpamAssassin using its Bayesian option. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRUF6-0001Uq-67 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:09:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRUF4-0001UX-Ut - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:09:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRUF3-0001Tz-3a - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:09:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRUF2-0001Tu-Vt - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:09:41 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.29] (helo=smtp3-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRUIm-0007tB-Qv - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:13:33 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F38483D2 - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:09:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRUF1-0001li-00 - for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:09:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:09:39 +0200 -To: list - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> - - <4434DB4F.1000905@hemmecke.de> - From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list Subject: SCM discussion (silver branch?) Hi, @@ -4497,46 +2977,11 @@ Frederic (still believing that patches matter more than the tools) http://lehobey-rennes.dyndns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=doc:veille:gestion_de_code_source - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRUjc-0005c2-Re - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:41:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRUjb-0005bx-1q - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:41:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRUjY-0005bl-VT - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:41:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRUjY-0005bi-Os - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:41:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRUnI-0001tk-VA - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:45:05 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C733C4F3BE; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:41:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k36DdetZ026878; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:39:40 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k36DdebN026877; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:39:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 06 Apr 2006 15:39:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: SCM discussion (silver branch?) - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> - - <4434DB4F.1000905@hemmecke.de> - - <20060406130939.GB6088@melusine> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Apr 2006 15:39:40 +0200 -Cc: list Frederic Lehobey writes: @@ -4589,41 +3034,11 @@ Not yet (though I do have write access); but if we have Tim's buy-in then I'll expect that he would grant access to however will be in charge of that branch. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRV1Q-000347-KE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:59:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRV1P-00033z-Ev - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:59:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRV1M-00033l-QJ - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:59:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRV1M-00033i-LI - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:59:36 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.40] (helo=vms040pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRV56-0003lu-Ob - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:03:29 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.163.200]) - by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXB003H906FR810@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:59:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:59:11 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: operations working in general, - but not in special cases -- help needed To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <44351EAF.D48E971B@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4432980B.4EDCE622@cunyvm.cuny.edu> - <85odzgqwao.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in special cases -- help needed Dear Martin: @@ -4784,39 +3199,12 @@ as a function exported from AllGraphs. The other possibility is to do: GraphCat(...) == ... graphic: () ->AllMatroids -William - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVJY-0003sq-9d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:18:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVJW-0003sQ-Pe - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:18:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVJV-0003s5-8O - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:18:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRVJV-0003s2-3D - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:18:21 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRVNF-0005hT-LZ - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:22:13 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k36EIGxY027136 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:18:16 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:19:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SCM discussion (silver branch?) - -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > | See Tailor: http://www.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor @@ -4828,49 +3216,12 @@ That basically says that it would be easy to update that copy from SVN AND tla, if you like. And you could also commit your work back to different archive types. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVfq-0003mt-CV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVfo-0003lC-IV - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVfm-0003j0-Uk - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRVfm-0003ip-P1 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRVjX-0007IG-J6 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:15 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36EfGBi010011; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:41:17 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364B07F406; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:41:17 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36FS7u05864; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:28:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:28:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 06 Apr 2006 15:39:40 +0200) Subject: Re: SCM discussion (silver branch?) - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> - - <4434DB4F.1000905@hemmecke.de> - - <20060406130939.GB6088@melusine> - -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Gaby, @@ -4888,78 +3239,22 @@ from the Sourceforge/SVN to the Arch/Sourceforge CVS/Savannah CVS. Congrats. You're now the "Andrew Morton" of the project. Manage it well. You have my sympathy :-) -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVjP-0004Yg-P0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVjO-0004YX-4h - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRVjL-0004YL-QF - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRVjL-0004YI-KP - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:45:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRVn6-0007dH-Dv - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:48:56 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36Eiv4u012293; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:44:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8B77F411; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:44:57 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36FVmx05874; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:31:48 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:31:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 06 Apr 2006 16:19:07 +0200) Subject: Re: SCM discussion (silver branch?) - - <4435235B.70008@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Axiom is now available under Arch, CVS, and SVN. If Bill wants we can also create a DARCS server. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRWDr-00009T-7G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRWDp-00006s-2D - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRWDn-00004y-1b - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRWDm-0008WS-TM - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:30 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRWHY-0001wT-5A - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:20:24 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k36FG3sn027561; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:16:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:15:46 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: SCM discussion (silver branch?) -Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:15:46 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey On April 6, 2006 11:32 AM Tim Daly (root) wrote: > @@ -4976,47 +3271,12 @@ See: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionRepository -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRWGo-0001si-LX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRWGm-0001pM-CD - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRWGj-0001p8-RX - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRWGj-0001ov-MJ - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:33 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRWKU-0002EE-UM - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:23:27 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36FJHjG013717; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:19:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF157F404; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36G6Am05891; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:06:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:06:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 06 Apr 2006 16:19:07 +0200) Subject: Re: SCM discussion (silver branch?) - - <4435235B.70008@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey If any other developer feels the desire to maintain their own SVN branch this can also be set up on sourceforge. You can use this @@ -5029,40 +3289,11 @@ Before accepting changes into the main branch I expect them to be professionally documented and tested. How Gaby maintains his public beta branch is entirely up to him. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXHa-0004QF-Sf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:24:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXHZ-0004Po-0h - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:24:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXHX-0004PC-0n - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:24:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRXHW-0004P9-TB - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:24:26 -0400 -Received: from [134.34.143.6] (helo=spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRXLI-00086O-FM - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:28:20 -0400 -Received: from clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (clifford [134.34.143.32]) - by spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24488; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:48:58 +0200 (MET DST) -Received: from clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with - ESMTP id k36FOfKJ015025; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:24:41 +0200 -Received: from localhost (fauser@localhost) - by clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id - k36FOeiu015022; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:24:40 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:24:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Bertfried Fauser To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Mathaction and Spammers -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Hi, @@ -5077,53 +3308,19 @@ possible. What about the general need to register to be able to make changes. Then a black list could exlude members who do spamming? -ciao -BF. - -% PD Dr Bertfried Fauser -% Institution: Max Planck Institute for Math, Leipzig -% Privat Docent: University of Konstanz, Phys Dept -% contact|->URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser/ -% Phone : Leipzig +49 341 9959 735 Konstanz +49 7531 693491 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXVD-0001Yz-Hu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:38:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXVC-0001YH-7R - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:38:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXVA-0001WQ-FP - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:38:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRXVA-0001WL-3J - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:38:32 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.29] (helo=smtp3-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRXYv-0000pG-V9 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:42:26 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27267496F4 - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:38:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRXV8-0002Bc-00 - for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:38:30 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:38:30 +0200 +From: Frederic Lehobey To: list Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge -From: Frederic Lehobey Hi, On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 10:40:17AM +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > I am just compiling patch-47 axiom on standard debian sarge. ->=20 -> My compilation stops in the middle of compiling the documentation and=20 +> +> My compilation stops in the middle of compiling the documentation and > just continues after I have pressed enter. I wanted to check this and started a compilation on Debian sarge from @@ -5141,81 +3338,19 @@ $ awk --version GNU Awk 3.1.4 Copyright =A9 1998, 1991-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. -... - -Any hint? - -Best regards, -Frederic - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXcm-0004VP-Gn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:46:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXck-0004Ut-Oe - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:46:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRXcj-0004Ub-5n - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:46:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRXcj-0004UX-2d - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:46:21 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRXgV-0001U2-2x - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:50:15 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36Gk9v5021765; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:46:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C117F410; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:46:10 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36HX2H05961; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:33:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:33:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:40:17 +0200) Subject: Re: Latex Package problem -Cc: list It appears that your hyperref package does not match my hyperref package. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRY82-0000Hp-3s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:18:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRY7y-0000F1-VC - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:18:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRY7x-0000Dm-HY - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:18:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRY7x-0000De-Ar - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:18:37 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.30] (helo=smtp4-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRYBj-0004XP-98 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:22:31 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2CD54F56; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:18:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRY7v-0002Hd-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:18:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:18:35 +0200 -To: David MENTRE David Mentre -Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge - <3d13dcfc0604060949h5de6938ajb00279edc80adfdf@mail.gmail.com> From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: list +To: David Mentre +Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge Hi, @@ -5546,80 +3681,21 @@ Reaping losing child 0x08076c58 PID 25753 make: *** [all] Error 2 Removing child 0x08076c58 PID 25753 from chain. -Thanks, -Frederic - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYAK-00025K-F3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:21:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYAI-00023V-QM - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:21:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYAH-000221-8r - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:21:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRYAG-00021q-UF - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:21:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRYE3-0004gz-BK - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:24:55 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36HKxUW005025; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:20:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448CE7F40B; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:20:59 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36I7lA06061; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:07:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:07:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Frederic Lehobey - on Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:38:30 +0200) Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge -Cc: list I suspect that your failure is the same as Balbir's. Did you stop the build and attempt to restart it? There is a problem with the awk script addition to the src/algebra/Makefile. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYl4-0006OQ-Gl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:59:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYl2-0006Nu-Pb - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:59:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYl0-0006NA-RU - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:59:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRYl0-0006N6-Oz - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:58:58 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.36] (helo=smtp6-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRYom-0007f4-Ba - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:02:52 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C166022467; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:58:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRYkw-0002Ls-00; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:58:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:58:54 +0200 -To: root Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge - <200604061807.k36I7lA06061@localhost.localdomain> From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge Hi, @@ -5639,40 +3715,11 @@ $ make Is that enough or are there special files I have to remove by hand first? -Thanks, -Frederic - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYvL-0002D9-75 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:09:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYvJ-0002D4-JJ - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:09:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRYvI-0002Cg-5W - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:09:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRYvH-0002Cd-Um - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:09:35 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.29] (helo=smtp3-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRYz4-000066-Pv - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:13:30 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F3B49B9E - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:09:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRYvG-0002OZ-00 - for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:09:34 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:09:34 +0200 +From: Frederic Lehobey To: list Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge - <200604061807.k36I7lA06061@localhost.localdomain> - <20060406175854.GB8550@melusine> -From: Frederic Lehobey Hi, @@ -5690,59 +3737,29 @@ On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 07:58:54PM +0200, Frederic Lehobey wrote: Problem still occurs. I will try later another new build from scratch (directory wiped). -Thanks, -Frederic - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZ2O-00061P-6a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:16:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZ2M-00060r-A7 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:16:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZ2H-0005uC-LT - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:16:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRZ2H-0005u4-G5 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:16:49 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRZ64-0000vF-Ib - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:20:44 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 413EF1C0018D - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:16:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-62-252.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-62-252.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.220.252]) - by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A7FA41C0018E; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:16:46 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Frederic Lehobey - <200604061807.k36I7lA06061@localhost.localdomain> - <20060406175854.GB8550@melusine> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:17:22 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge Le jeudi 06 avril 2006 =C3=A0 19:58 +0200, Frederic Lehobey a =C3=A9crit = : > Hi, ->=20 +> > On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:07:47PM -0400, root wrote: > > I suspect that your failure is the same as Balbir's. > > Did you stop the build and attempt to restart it? ->=20 +> > No I did not (if I remember correctly). But I am usure whether it had > really started from scratch again (I think so) after a failure for a > missing dependency (I have had two failures because of missing > dependencies and cleaned the build only once). To be sure of it I > have started a new round: ->=20 +> > $ make clean > $ make ->=20 +> > Is that enough or are there special files I have to remove by hand > first? @@ -5750,53 +3767,11 @@ See this thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-03/msg00112.html -Cheers, - -Greg - -> Thanks, -> Frederic ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZFB-0002GE-DG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZF9-0002Fm-K4 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZF7-0002FL-85 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRZF7-0002FI-2Q - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:05 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.193] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRZIu-0002E8-Dw - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:34:00 -0400 -Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o1so221702nzf - for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:30:04 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=UnVXodCGI49mK7I/AAh1/LEIr37WlcOEepCHI3ZiT5MdjcVIgVdBeEldeSZ9zPIPBiHVGtTV0eGClrOv7E2AXtLXVsGBDgWS7ky8ODrots6Gr92ErGGKiHJEVOTr9FwTuhPnqu7uVpivCIUR7f13Omayso/W0GBGR3W+O2vT6cg= -Received: by 10.36.105.17 with SMTP id d17mr1320357nzc; - Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:49:02 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Frederic Lehobey" Frederic Lehobey +To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge -Cc: list Hello Fred, @@ -5815,45 +3790,11 @@ akefile Have you checked that the src/algebra/Makefile has the same backslash issue or a different one? There might a regression in latest awk. -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZFW-0002PB-Q4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZFV-0002OP-Ir - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRZFT-0002Nq-R5 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRZFT-0002Nm-O0 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:30:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRZJG-0002IX-UI - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:34:23 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36IUPNa010641; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:30:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6787F40D; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:30:25 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36JHDn06180; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:17:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:17:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Frederic Lehobey - on Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:58:54 +0200) Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge - <200604061807.k36I7lA06061@localhost.localdomain> - <20060406175854.GB8550@melusine> -Cc: list > $ make clean > $ make @@ -5876,54 +3817,11 @@ It is actually easier to just nuke the install and refetch it. I've been meaning to fix this. I'll try to get it into the --patch-48 release. -t - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRaWx-0003lj-EQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:52:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRaWv-0003jT-Ie - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:52:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRaWt-0003ix-Fc - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:52:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRaWt-0003it-CO - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:52:31 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRaag-0002nw-R2 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:56:27 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k36JqPGr026725 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:52:25 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k36JqPYO026722; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:52:25 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:52:25 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Mathaction and Spammers - Ralf Hemmecke, - 'axiom-dev' - <00b301c65972$98816b00$6900a8c0@asus> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cGfB/trNgB3WtPHu" - clamav-milter version 0.87 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - - ---cGfB/trNgB3WtPHu Bill Page [Bill Page] wrote: > On April 6, 2006 7:27 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5958,57 +3856,11 @@ A more sophisticated, long-term solution is to add code to ZWiki to check against SURBL: http://www.surbl.org/ (Spam URI Realtime Blocklists) --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---cGfB/trNgB3WtPHu - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFENXF5jwioWRGe9K0RAr9+AKCppPuImK/hKNni40Iu4N+3SONtfACcDK44 -kK8mIY8yMwVU35jfrUQxqn0= -=Ypkb ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---cGfB/trNgB3WtPHu-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRaon-0001eA-J2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:11:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRaol-0001dj-Ul - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:10:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRaok-0001bs-8A - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:10:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRaok-0001bh-47 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:10:58 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRasY-0007d1-2c - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:14:54 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k36KAb4C015082; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:10:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bob McElrath'" -Subject: RE: Mathaction and Spammers +\start Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:10:29 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: Mathaction and Spammers Bob, @@ -6041,51 +3893,11 @@ if that cures the problem ... I guess that means I am going to have to get around to updating the ZWiki code on MathAction, right? :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRbT2-0001sX-W1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:52:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRbT1-0001rv-4a - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:52:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRbT0-0001r3-Ds - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:52:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRbT0-0001qz-Ae - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:52:34 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRbWo-0004Zo-Fy - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:56:30 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k36KqT9g027302 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:52:29 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k36KqTZn027299; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:52:29 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:52:29 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Mathaction and Spammers - Ralf Hemmecke, - 'axiom-dev' - <00d501c659b6$2b1d53a0$6900a8c0@asus> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aC33ObtQAkNdOZ6b" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - - ---aC33ObtQAkNdOZ6b Bill Page [Bill Page] wrote: > > A more sophisticated, long-term solution is to add code to @@ -6102,59 +3914,11 @@ existed a "stable" release for it that would be better. I have 0.42 on my machine. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---aC33ObtQAkNdOZ6b - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFENX+NjwioWRGe9K0RArCfAJwLuICl2QMH2Imux3Foyiz5r2diTwCgnJco -TWKOcls81Jk/GPRnMZFSqFQ= -=OB7g ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---aC33ObtQAkNdOZ6b-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRbuf-0004Sv-Oe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:21:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRbue-0004ST-Be - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:21:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRbuc-0004Ro-40 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:21:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRbub-0004Rf-Ry - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:21:05 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRbyQ-0006YJ-EA - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:25:02 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k36LL1xY005819 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:21:02 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:21:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Latex Package problem - <200604061733.k36HX2H05961@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Mine says @@ -6174,40 +3938,10 @@ Ralf On 04/06/2006 07:33 PM, root wrote: > It appears that your hyperref package does not match my hyperref package. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRc0z-0006Gu-Ey - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:27:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRc0x-0006GL-Up - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:27:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRc0w-0006Fh-IP - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:27:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRc0w-0006Fd-B8 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:27:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRc4l-0006zm-61 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:31:35 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k36LRaHN019135; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:27:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39587F412; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:27:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k36MEPo06341; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:14:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:14:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list Subject: gcl-2.6.7 on debian Camm, @@ -6223,55 +3957,14 @@ sed: file conftest.s1 line 61: unterminated `s' command creating windows/install.lsp sed: file conftest.s1 line 61: unterminated `s' command - -suggestions? - -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRdDP-0004Wr-FS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:44:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRdDO-0004Wi-GF - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:44:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRdDL-0004WW-Fb - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:44:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRdDL-0004WT-9n - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:44:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRdH9-0003Ay-VF - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:48:28 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599FA40E21; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:44:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k36MgttZ030317; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:42:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k36MgtHR030316; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:42:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 07 Apr 2006 00:42:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SCM discussion (silver branch?) - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> - - <4434DB4F.1000905@hemmecke.de> - - <20060406130939.GB6088@melusine> - - <200604061528.k36FS7u05864@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Apr 2006 00:42:55 +0200 -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Gaby, | @@ -6300,79 +3993,19 @@ That is great! Many thanks for the confidence vote. I count on your expertise for reviews :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRgW6-0006VA-EE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:16:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRgW4-0006Uu-Dq - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:16:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRgVz-0006UR-SE - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:16:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRgVz-0006UO-P5 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:15:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRgZr-0005rh-GI - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:19:59 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k372FweE008319 - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:15:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CE7F417 - for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3732kw06405; - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:02:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:02:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: offline I'll be offline and unavailable until Tuesday. Talk amongst yourselves :-) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRj4p-0000FV-HA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:00:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRewW-0008K3-9i - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:35:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRewU-0008Jr-PS - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:35:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRewU-0008Jo-J6 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:35:14 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FRf0L-0000u8-17 - for list; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:39:13 -0400 -Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRewI-00080E-Co - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:35:02 +0200 -Received: from 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net ([69.160.148.143]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:35:02 +0200 -Received: from simon by 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net with local (Gmexim - 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:35:02 +0200 -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:24:58 -0700 - <00b301c65972$98816b00$6900a8c0@asus> +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Re: Mathaction and Spammers Hi all, @@ -6383,47 +4016,12 @@ race. Bill, you probably know about the recent edits_need_username feature able to achieve the same if you keep up with the more recent Zwiki versions, chat me if I can help in any way. -Best --Simon -Zwiki lead developer - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRnhH-000461-OX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:56:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRnhG-00045k-9m - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:56:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRnhE-00045Y-Gp - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:56:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRnhE-00045V-D9 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:56:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRnlA-00028l-Ct - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:00:08 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234AC40FAA - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:56:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k379sRtZ001313 - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:54:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k379sRX6001312; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:54:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 07 Apr 2006 11:54:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Axiom silver branch - Hello, As you now, Tim set up an SVN server for accessing the "silver branch" @@ -6455,50 +4053,15 @@ you -- for organizing the SVN repository: I'll write a doc about how to create a branch, how to merge, etc. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRnsh-0007a9-SX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:07:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRnsg-0007Z1-Ql - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:07:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRnsf-0007WU-5G - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:07:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRnsf-0007WL-0f - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:07:53 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.192] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRnwb-0002n6-0p - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:11:57 -0400 -Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so343707nzf - for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:07:52 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=TGJNCnpb2JgBq7EqXBLppI/giwRyC7Mzbq61hr+My6Ay5hUFb2DLNFXBnxiL/9khJpN1SwKKMToKwRLoo2xqZRlEDS6VL31KxXmZNHYC8r9uvPOlp8TR8emoNKXWwcrAVdzJL0HOzDjt4qT1ISAzT6VF03CKo55kSChJWohcpL0= -Received: by 10.36.196.13 with SMTP id t13mr402623nzf; - Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:07:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:07:51 +0200 From: David Mentre To: list Subject: Fwd: Axiom silver branch - <3d13dcfc0604070307x61ac8310wb3171ab4dfd01926@mail.gmail.com> Oops, forgot the list. -d. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -From: David MENTRE David Mentre -Date: 7 avr. 2006 12:07 -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Hello Gaby, @@ -6521,40 +4084,11 @@ h". Ok for me as long as all of this is documented (i.e. meaning of each part of the svn hierarchy) somewhere on the wiki. -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRpI4-0008Pw-Tb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:38:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRpI3-0008P3-On - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:38:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRpI1-0008Lo-Fp - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:38:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRpI1-0008Lk-A1 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:38:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRpLy-0001ho-8q - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:42:14 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37Bc3xY026273 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:38:03 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:38:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: David MENTRE David Mentre +To: David Mentre Subject: Re: Fwd: Axiom silver branch - <3d13dcfc0604070307v664f7e01tad7318756cdd2803@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list Also OK for me, but we should somewhere (either sourceforge or better on the AxiomWiki) keep a list of branches (similar (or better) than @@ -6564,21 +4098,12 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/ArchUsage) and what are they good for axiom-dev will be automatically informed if something is changed on the wiki so we all can keep track about who works on which branch. -Ralf - - - On 04/07/2006 12:07 PM, David MENTRE wrote: > Oops, forgot the list. > > d. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -> From: David MENTRE David Mentre -> Date: 7 avr. 2006 12:07 -> Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -> To: Gabriel Dos Reis -> > > Hello Gaby, > @@ -6598,53 +4123,12 @@ On 04/07/2006 12:07 PM, David MENTRE wrote: > > Ok for me as long as all of this is documented (i.e. meaning of each > part of the svn hierarchy) somewhere on the wiki. -> -> Best wishes, -> d. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRpT8-0006Ic-NK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:49:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRpT7-0006GN-7p - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:49:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRpT5-0006D6-7a - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:49:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRpT5-0006Cw-4o - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:49:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRpX2-0003RT-6W - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:53:40 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF7E40E22 - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:49:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k37BlxtZ001750 - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:47:59 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k37Blxj2001749; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:47:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Apr 2006 13:47:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Re: Fwd: Axiom silver branch - <3d13dcfc0604070307x61ac8310wb3171ab4dfd01926@mail.gmail.com> - <3d13dcfc0604070307v664f7e01tad7318756cdd2803@mail.gmail.com> - <44364F52.9040808@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Apr 2006 13:47:59 +0200 Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6661,40 +4145,11 @@ Very good points, and I totally agree. I'll write more on the procedures and post it to the list. I hope to have a connection tonight. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRqm0-00059M-A8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:13:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRqlx-00053x-Sp - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:13:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRqlt-0004qw-9Y - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:13:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRqlt-0004qS-2Z - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:13:05 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.30] (helo=smtp4-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRqpr-0002fO-3p - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:17:11 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8186054B3B; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:13:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRqlq-0001xV-00; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:13:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:13:02 +0200 -To: root Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge - <200604061807.k36I7lA06061@localhost.localdomain> - <20060406175854.GB8550@melusine> - <200604061917.k36JHDn06180@localhost.localdomain> From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge Hi, @@ -6714,35 +4169,11 @@ Seems it worked for me (compilation goes further). Thanks. Thanks also to Greg for pointing a very recent thread on the same problem. Frederic - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRqyT-0003dh-4R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:26:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRqyR-0003dc-S5 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:26:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRqyP-0003dP-G7 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:26:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRqyP-0003dL-5P - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:26:01 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.35] (helo=smtp5-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRr2N-0003kS-AF - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:30:07 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605C0275A4 - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:25:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FRqyN-0001z1-00 - for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:25:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:25:59 +0200 +From: Frederic Lehobey To: list Subject: Re: Latex Package problem -From: Frederic Lehobey Hi, @@ -6773,38 +4204,11 @@ Transcript written in bookvol1.ilg. This is weird as Camm package successfully backports to sarge... -Frederic - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRr9L-0008QQ-8o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:37:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRr9J-0008ON-DH - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:37:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRr9H-0008N9-5V - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:37:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRr9G-0008N5-VA - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:37:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRrDF-0004Zz-23 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:41:21 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37DbCxY030233 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:37:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:38:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: Latex Package problem -Cc: list To be honest, when I compiled axiom--main--1 I also realized that "pressing enter" did not help. I had to press "q". @@ -6853,88 +4257,25 @@ On 04/07/2006 03:25 PM, Frederic Lehobey wrote: > > > This is weird as Camm package successfully backports to sarge... -> -> Frederic -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrTo-00013c-RF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:58:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrTn-00013V-9g - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:58:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrTk-00013I-Ub - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:58:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRrTk-00013F-O7 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:58:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRrXj-0006OI-3M - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:02:31 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9646240F97; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:58:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k37DumtZ002200; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:56:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k37Dum1i002197; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:56:48 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2006 15:53:54 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Editing wiki frontpage - Hi Bill, How does one edit the wiki front-page? What I'm interested is to put a link from the front-page to a separate page that documents the SVN source code is organized and how to do check outs and check ins. -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrWE-0001gJ-9o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:00:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrWC-0001fT-Q8 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:00:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrWB-0001dB-1v - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:00:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRrWA-0001cw-TV - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:00:54 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRra9-0006ay-8R - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:05:01 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37E0Qwr024643; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:00:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Latex Package problem Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:00:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, Frederic Lehobey +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Latex Package problem +Cc: Frederic Lehobey On April 7, 2006 9:38 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -6981,38 +4322,10 @@ works for me. See: http://www.tug.org/PSTricks/main.cgi?file=pdf/pdfoutput -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrj3-0008GE-RT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:14:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrj3-0008G1-20 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:14:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrj0-0008Fn-Ga - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:14:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRrj0-0008Fk-95 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:14:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRrmy-00081f-VF - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:18:17 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37EDjJC010951; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:14:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:13:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Editing wiki frontpage Gaby, @@ -7036,41 +4349,12 @@ On the other hand, if all you would like is a link on the FrontPage, then just let me know the page name you want and I will add the link for you. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrnt-0000vB-FL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:19:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrns-0000v6-4E - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:19:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRrnq-0000ur-Gz - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:19:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRrnq-0000um-BO - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:19:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRrro-0000UP-UV - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:23:17 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37EJ8xY031712 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:19:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:20:03 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Latex Package problem -Cc: list, Frederic Lehobey +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Hi @@ -7106,38 +4390,11 @@ The page is not totally clear. What should the "true" after final stand for? Sorry, I meant "pdflatex" does not produce anything nice. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRs1Y-00087v-Qc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:33:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRs1X-00087p-M6 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:33:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRs1V-00087O-PN - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:33:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRs1V-00087L-It - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:33:17 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRs5U-0001ZB-7I - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:37:24 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37EXFxY032124 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:33:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:34:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: list Subject: Re: Latex Package problem - <44367513.8060308@hemmecke.de> As I told you before my (standard debian) hyperref.sty is @@ -7167,37 +4424,11 @@ following code that is not in 6.73n. So in order to avoid problems for poor Debian users, I would suggest to simply remove "final". I believe that will not affect the output in any way. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRsD3-0004tl-B3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:45:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRsD2-0004tc-Gl - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:45:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRsCz-0004sn-BH - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:45:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRsCz-0004sk-6K - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:45:09 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRsGy-0002X4-26 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:49:16 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37EilrI016808; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:45:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Latex Package problem Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Latex Package problem Ralf, @@ -7230,39 +4461,10 @@ Or better: Maybe someone could commit a change to the new SVN silver archive ... (remember to add a sentence to the pamphlet file explaining the change). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRsQk-0002rQ-F6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:59:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRsQj-0002rL-EY - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:59:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRsQh-0002r8-Pb - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:59:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRsQh-0002r5-Ky - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:59:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRsUg-00043O-Dq - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:03:26 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37ExHxY001434 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:59:17 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:00:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Re: ActiveAxiomDevelopers Hello core axiom developers -- whatever that means ;-) @@ -7278,37 +4480,11 @@ each other. All the best -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtGD-00033K-2j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:52:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtGB-00031x-8Q - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:52:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtG6-00030Y-Jy - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:52:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRtG6-00030O-HK - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:52:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRtK5-00008k-Vb - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:56:34 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37Fq2qE012685; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:52:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:51:49 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch > ... > That repository as far as I can tell contains all of current Axiom @@ -7341,48 +4517,12 @@ to findout? A subsequent 'update' fails apparently at the same point. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtYv-00045i-PF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:11:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtHW-0003jj-MA - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:53:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtHS-0003ix-Nn - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:53:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRtHS-0003iu-KH - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:53:50 -0400 -Received: from [195.188.213.5] (helo=smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRtLR-0000G8-UA - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:57:58 -0400 -Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) - by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FRtHQ-0006k2-6r - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:48 +0100 -Received: from [82.45.185.137] (helo=CharalambosG) - by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FRtHP-0001WG-GI - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:47 +0100 -From: "Harry" -To: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:53:35 +0100 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C65A63.D034EF30" +From: Harry Georgiou +To: list Subject: how to install -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C65A63.D034EF30 - charset="us-ascii" - I have windows XP SP2 how do I install and use axiom on ,y machine from the desktop or do I need to go into Dos-Prompt @@ -7390,112 +4530,11 @@ Yours faithfully Charalambos Georgiou - -------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C65A63.D034EF30 - charset="us-ascii" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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I have windows XP SP2 how do I install and use = -axiom on -,y machine from the desktop or do I need to go into = -Dos-Prompt

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Yours faithfully

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- - - - - -------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C65A63.D034EF30-- - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtap-0005Li-Dd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:13:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtao-0005LG-BG - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:13:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRtan-0005K1-0t - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:13:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRtam-0005Jh-P0 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:13:48 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRtem-00023D-Dv - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:17:56 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37GDkxY003282 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:13:46 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:14:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: axiom-dev svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk silver-branch [snip] @@ -7540,47 +4579,12 @@ On 04/07/2006 05:51 PM, Bill Page wrote: > to findout? > > A subsequent 'update' fails apparently at the same point. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRthI-0002rJ-3C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRthF-0002qm-Sm - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRthD-0002q7-3e - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRthD-0002q4-0r - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:27 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRtlC-0003UZ-TP - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:24:35 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37GJuen015092; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:20:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Harry'" -Subject: RE: how to install Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:19:44 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Harry Georgiou +Subject: RE: how to install On Sent: April 7, 2006 11:54 AM Charalambos Georgiou wrote: @@ -7595,41 +4599,11 @@ specifically download the Windows installation program here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomDownload#windows -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRthQ-0002xn-7J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRthN-0002ud-NG - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRthM-0002tm-TL - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRthM-0002tc-KL - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:20:36 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRtlM-0003Vs-Fz - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:24:44 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37GJueo015092; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:20:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Harry'" -Subject: RE: how to install Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:19:44 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Harry Georgiou +Subject: RE: how to install On Sent: April 7, 2006 11:54 AM Charalambos Georgiou wrote: @@ -7644,41 +4618,11 @@ specifically download the Windows installation program here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomDownload#windows -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRu8G-00017v-1S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:48:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRu8F-00016o-02 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:48:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRu8D-00015P-El - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:48:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRu8D-000154-2t - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:48:21 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRuCC-00076H-UX - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:52:29 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37Glxpt006577; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:48:14 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:47:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch On April 7, 2006 12:15 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -7704,41 +4648,11 @@ Yes. You must be registered on SourceForce as an Axiom developer, then if you attempt an svn commit to the archive you will be prompted for your SourceForge user id and password. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRvnQ-00006W-Eg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:35:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRvnO-00006E-GI - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:34:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRvnM-000062-0N - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:34:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRvnL-00005z-Rs - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:34:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRvrM-0007Ty-S2 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:39:05 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37IYnxY006853 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:34:53 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:35:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' >> Is now someone telling me that I can commit to that branch through >> "https"? If yes, under which name will my commit appear? @@ -7749,37 +4663,11 @@ Cc: 'axiom-dev' Well, a have a sf account, but how do I become an "Axiom developer"? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRw55-0007Sg-2Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:53:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRw52-0007RH-IL - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:53:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRw50-0007Pj-8M - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:53:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRw50-0007Pg-5X - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:53:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRw91-0000gR-AX - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:57:19 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37IqoP2002756; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:53:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:52:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch On April 7, 2006 2:36 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -7798,41 +4686,11 @@ Just ask either me or Tim Daly. :) I have added you as a developer with SVN access right at the Axiom project on SourceForge . -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRwAr-0000UA-V9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:59:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRwAq-0000TZ-AH - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:59:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRwAo-0000SV-Er - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:59:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRwAo-0000SM-Bv - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:59:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRwEp-0001FH-Dd - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:03:19 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k37Ix0xY007440 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:59:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:59:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -7901,44 +4759,13 @@ Sourceforge tools to maintain such a webpage? Thank you that you took over this job. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxWj-0007od-TA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:25:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxWi-0007oW-Mf - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:25:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxWh-0007oK-B7 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:25:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRxWh-0007oH-3c - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:25:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRxaj-0007ED-Bo - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:30:01 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA7440E9F; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:25:48 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k37KODtZ003433; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:24:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k37KODbm003432; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:24:13 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2006 22:24:13 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | > ... | > That repository as far as I can tell contains all of current Axiom @@ -7964,43 +4791,11 @@ and But, I'm a SuSE Linux user and I built subversion 1.3.1 myself -- I don't think that should matter. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxZH-0008Nu-Ku - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxZG-0008Np-3t - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxZD-0008NY-Cl - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRxZD-0008NV-9l - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRxdF-0007M2-J1 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:32:37 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A9340E21; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:28:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k37KQotZ003451; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:26:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k37KQoQw003450; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:26:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Apr 2006 22:26:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <44368FF1.4040707@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Apr 2006 22:26:50 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -8023,44 +4818,13 @@ access. More on that when Tim is back and we sort out the procedure. The idea is that people with write access should commit their own patch after review (and of course testing). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxai-0000mB-6a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:30:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxaf-0000jz-Hc - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:29:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxad-0000j5-Jw - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:29:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRxad-0000iy-Ch - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:29:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRxef-0007Qf-KQ - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:34:05 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46E640E27; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:29:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k37KSHtZ003455; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:28:18 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k37KSHfg003454; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:28:17 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2006 22:28:17 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 7, 2006 2:36 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | > @@ -8084,43 +4848,11 @@ Great! We should have a list of people with write access to the repository somewhere. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxm5-0005wl-W9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:41:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxm4-0005w8-EP - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:41:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxm3-0005vp-QX - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:41:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRxm3-0005vm-OL - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:41:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRxq5-0008Gc-VA - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:45:54 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B5C4F3A0; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:41:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k37Ke5tZ003493; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:40:06 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k37Ke5pO003492; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:40:05 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Apr 2006 22:40:05 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <4436B6AB.6080802@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Apr 2006 22:40:05 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -8206,40 +4938,11 @@ to "chase" the information. As I said, I'm on a trip and I don't expect to much time and connectivity to do that before two weeks. But, I'm workign on it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxxB-0003Sa-50 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxx9-0003SE-55 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRxx7-0003Rg-4l - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRxx7-0003RZ-1P - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:53:09 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=smtp3.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FRy18-0000hL-VB - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:57:19 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0307.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EC8201C001F0 - for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:53:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-93-232.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-93-232.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.90.232]) - by mwinf0307.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7874B1C001E3; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:53:03 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <4436B6AB.6080802@hemmecke.de> - Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:53:43 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch Le vendredi 07 avril 2006 =C3=A0 22:40 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =C3=A9cr= it : @@ -8249,51 +4952,11 @@ it : Probably the patch #47 branch since macroexpandall is not modified... -Cheers, - -Greg - ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRykv-00012u-5c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:44:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRykt-00012V-Lu - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:44:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRyks-00012J-Np - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:44:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRyks-00012G-Hb - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:44:34 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FRyov-0004D8-GK - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:48:45 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k37Li5U6000975; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:44:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +\start +Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:43:54 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch -Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:43:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 7, 2006 4:28 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -8309,40 +4972,11 @@ yet. Tim and I just have not had time... Take a look around and see what you think we can use best. E.g. They have a pretty neat server farm for producing binaries on various platforms. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRzwA-0002wC-0D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:00:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRzw9-0002w3-8v - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:00:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FRzw7-0002vH-J2 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:00:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FRzw7-0002v0-Fi - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:00:15 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.202] (helo=mta10.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FS00B-00085q-38 - for list; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:04:27 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta10.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060407230010.GXLO23465.mta10.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]>; - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 19:00:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:59:33 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: FC5: rsync, lsp, 2412, etc - <200604011617.k31GH6U30230@localhost.localdomain> -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 -Cc: list root wrote: > Ray, @@ -8358,36 +4992,10 @@ Tim, My FC5 doesn't have libXpm.a and the software selector can't find it. Any suggestions, or should I try to rebuild it? -Ray - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSGA7-0007PS-4h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:19:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSGA5-0007PI-9i - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:19:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSGA3-0007Ov-N4 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:19:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSGA3-0007Oq-IU - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:19:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSGEH-0005cS-Ed - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:24:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C424F3C1; - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:19:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FSGA0-0001lY-7h; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:19:40 +0200 -To: list, Francois Maltey -From: Francois Maltey Date: 08 Apr 2006 18:19:39 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: I can't test if %i exists or not. hello, @@ -8399,91 +5007,62 @@ I want to know if the expressions have the Complex notion or not. In this package I can add the function : ifComplex : F -> Boolean - ifComplex (arg) =3D=3D + ifComplex (arg) == (R is Complex Integer) or (R is Complex Fraction Integer) _ or (R is Fraction Complex Integer) the arg has no use, but with this arg I can test the function ifComplex in the interpreter for a given expression. -I re^10-read previous mails about the qestion,=20 +I re^10-read previous mails about the qestion, and the wiki page SandBoxManipulatingDomains, but... -1/ I can't find a better function than ifComplex for the test=20 -<< %i exists in Expression >>.=20 +1/ I can't find a better function than ifComplex for the test +<< %i exists in Expression >>. Even if theses cases are the more current, they aren't all the cases. -2/ I can neither get %i (or imaginary()$R) in F, nor get=20 -imag(expr) in a *.spad file although it's possible in interpreter=20 +2/ I can neither get %i (or imaginary()$R) in F, nor get +imag(expr) in a *.spad file although it's possible in interpreter thanks to the file efstruc.spad (?). In manip.spad my testing function is testing : F -> F -testing arg =3D=3D ... +testing arg == ... I can't compile : -testing arg =3D=3D=20 - dom(arg)=3Ddevaluate(Expression Complex Integer)$Lisp =3D> 999::R::F +testing arg == + dom(arg)=devaluate(Expression Complex Integer)$Lisp => 999::R::F arg -the test is always false=20 -testing arg =3D=3D=20 - F has ComplexCategory R =3D> imaginary()::F +the test is always false +testing arg == + F has ComplexCategory R => imaginary()::F arg it's right for Complex Integer -testing arg =3D=3D=20 - R is Complex Integer =3D> 987::Integer::R::F +testing arg == + R is Complex Integer => 987::Integer::R::F arg but then I can't hold the << %i >> number. -testing arg =3D=3D=20 - R is Complex Integer =3D> (imaginary()$Complex Integer)::F=20 +testing arg == + R is Complex Integer => (imaginary()$Complex Integer)::F arg -When I run I get=20 +When I run I get >> System error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged] May you give me one of the keys ? I ignore where I shall look ? Is there any link with SExpressions... -Thanks a lot. - -Fran=C3=A7ois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSH8g-0000GA-Rt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:22:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSH8f-0000Fs-K6 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:22:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSH8d-0000Bi-Kq - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:22:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSH8d-0000BY-IK - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:22:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSHCr-0000d2-TL - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:26:42 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k38HMEFT014799 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:22:14 +0200 +\start Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:23:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: I can't test if %i exists or not. -Cc: axiom-dev On 04/08/2006 06:19 PM, Francois Maltey wrote: > hello, @@ -8559,143 +5138,55 @@ efstruc.spad) implemented in Axiom. Unfortunately nobody knows. :-( Have you somewhere opened a WikiPage that explains your plan in clear terms. Posting on axiom-dev is not always enough. -Best regards - -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSJX0-0004Lq-Rr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:55:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSJWy-0004Lh-Ev - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:55:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSJWx-0004LU-Op - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:55:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSJWx-0004LL-Hn - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:55:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSJbD-0000ts-Bj - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:59:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4C040E2D; - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:55:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FSJWu-000203-RI; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:55:32 +0200 +Date: 08 Apr 2006 21:55:32 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: I can't test if %i exists or not. - <4437F184.7060103@hemmecke.de> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 08 Apr 2006 21:55:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Hello Ralf, > I would guess that with a bit of luck you can use it for your test. > (Simply test "not zero? imag f".) But maybe for that the argument ->=20 +> > F: AlgebraicallyClosedField ->=20 +> > is decisive. This is THE good idea, I make good tests with : - F has AlgebraicallyClosedField and R has imaginary:()-> R =3D> ... + F has AlgebraicallyClosedField and R has imaginary:()-> R => ... So you advise me to look at *.pamphlet files. The first aim is perhaps to explain from A to Z how Expressions works, -in the pamphlet files.=20 +in the pamphlet files. I can do nothing interesting before I really understand how expressions are. -But can you show me a good *.pamphlet file.=20 +But can you show me a good *.pamphlet file. All the *.pamphlet file I see only have source data and copyright data. -Best regards - -Fran=C3=A7ois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSJzE-0000De-NS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:24:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSJzD-0000DZ-AH - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:24:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSJzB-0000DM-4q - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:24:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSJzA-0000DJ-VP - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:24:45 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.30] (helo=smtp4-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSK3R-0002if-75 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:29:09 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CBC53C14 - for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:24:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSJz9-0001vk-00 - for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:24:43 +0200 +\start Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:24:43 +0200 -To: Axiom developers - <4437F184.7060103@hemmecke.de> - <8764lj266j.fsf@localhost.localdomain> From: Frederic Lehobey +To: Axiom developers Subject: Example pamphlet file Hi, On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 09:55:32PM +0200, Francois Maltey wrote: -> But can you show me a good *.pamphlet file.=20 +> But can you show me a good *.pamphlet file. > All the *.pamphlet file I see only have source data and copyright data. Tim often gives dhmatrix.spad.pamphlet as an example. -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSK9B-0004aU-Fz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSK99-0004aN-Ct - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSK97-0004a5-4t - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSK97-0004a2-04 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:35:01 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.36] (helo=smtp6-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSKDN-0003DZ-4j - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:39:25 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4A8221D9 - for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:35:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSK8k-0001wK-00 - for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:34:38 +0200 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:38 +0200 -To: Axiom developers -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <000001c65a5b$36c546e0$6900a8c0@asus> From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch Hi, @@ -8705,7 +5196,7 @@ On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:51:49AM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > but after transferring about 30 Mbytes it gives me the following > error message: ->=20 +> > Error REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default' > Error REPORT of '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default': > Could not read response body: @@ -8726,7 +5217,7 @@ I have tried this something like 10 times. And for the 1 or 2 times it completed, I got the following error after make: ---------------------------------------------------------------- -$ LANG=3DC make +$ LANG=C make 13 making noweb tar: Skipping to next header tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers @@ -8755,40 +5246,11 @@ problems). It might also simply be sourceforge too overloaded. -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSKs5-0000il-4R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:21:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSKs3-0000he-8b - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:21:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSKs1-0000gN-Ai - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:21:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSKs1-0000gH-66 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:21:25 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSKwH-00063Q-Qn - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:25:50 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k38LLLFT021446 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:21:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:22:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: I can't test if %i exists or not. - <8764lj266j.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev On 04/08/2006 09:55 PM, Francois Maltey wrote: > This is THE good idea, I make good tests with : @@ -8834,38 +5296,13 @@ output as before. Good luck. You are the Expression EXPERT by now... or is Martin claiming that ;-) ? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSKwU-0003Xz-CV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:26:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSKwT-0003Xu-15 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:26:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSKwQ-0003S9-70 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:25:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSKwP-0003Rn-VZ - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:25:57 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSL0g-0006HN-Q9 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:30:22 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k38LPVvK000440; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:25:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Frederic Lehobey'" Frederic Lehobey -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:25:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Axiom developers' - -On April 8, 2006 4:35 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: +From: Bill Page +To: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch + +On April 8, 2006 4:35 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:51:49AM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > @@ -8941,41 +5378,11 @@ code this way. I really think we should stop doing this. In my case I have no other problems using ssh to the sourceforge site from Windows using other software. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSLGy-0006eW-CE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:47:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSLGw-0006bQ-0x - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:47:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSLGt-0006XV-TZ - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:47:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSLGt-0006XC-Mc - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:47:07 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.35] (helo=smtp5-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSLLA-0000Gk-HS - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:51:32 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C7424D90 - for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:47:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSLGs-00021q-00 - for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:47:06 +0200 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:47:06 +0200 -To: Axiom developers -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <003c01c65b52$f6502050$6900a8c0@asus> From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch Hi, @@ -8983,8 +5390,8 @@ On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:25:08PM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > On April 8, 2006 4:35 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: > > svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default' -> > svn: REPORT of '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default': Could not=20 -> > read response body: Secure connection truncated=20 +> > svn: REPORT of '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default': Could not +> > read response body: Secure connection truncated > > (https://svn.sourceforge.net) > That is very bad news. :( I was hoping that this error was @@ -8994,18 +5401,18 @@ On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:25:08PM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > > And for the 1 or 2 times it completed, I got the following error > > after make: -> >=20 +> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- -> > $ LANG=3DC make +> > $ LANG=C make > > 13 making noweb > > tar: Skipping to next header > > tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers > > incomplete literal tree -> > ...=20 -> >=20 +> > ... +> > > > Therefore I am not sure I can trust svn from sourceforge. > > The branch has been impossible to use so far for me. ->=20 +> > The same for me. :( I think the error above with tar file is > probably caused by the fact that the .tgz files in the current > CVS and tla archives are not properly marked as 'binary' files. @@ -9029,43 +5436,12 @@ You mean using other software than svn or on other repositories than axiom? (I believe axiom repository is a large one compared to other projects.) -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSLRs-0000WU-QH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:58:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSLRs-0000WP-8P - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:58:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSLRp-0000WD-RU - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:58:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSLRp-0000WA-N8 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:58:25 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.204] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSLW6-00012C-LT - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:02:50 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so467445wxc - for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=qP3CakP0DqOE6fPMmwbhpIWjy9j15jvjHgtTSGSWm8md2X5x8XcX6KdVYQfk40lxsfAZc7/RK8USbCPvFv5SiX9W4O0gpkrlu9Q/W/FYVMc9pbIxMTChbxVBBIJ1qD0GOD6X88a9wdUJsugOnr4hf08kFJVgPI+ygYJK4VuC23o= -Received: by 10.70.83.13 with SMTP id g13mr2303435wxb; - Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:58:24 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer - boundary="----=_Part_41044_27836253.1144533504493" +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Bug with abbrev and aldor domain -------=_Part_41044_27836253.1144533504493 - Hello, I get a ">> System error: Value stack overflow" when I use an @@ -9080,7 +5456,7 @@ Antoine Hersen Transcript off the error : -T1 :=3D SomeDomainThatNeedToBeAbbriviated(x,F) +T1 := SomeDomainThatNeedToBeAbbriviated(x,F) (5) SomeDomainThatNeedToBeAbbriviated(x,Fraction Integer) Type: Doma= @@ -9091,7 +5467,7 @@ test: LFP Type: Vo= id -test :=3D [0,0,1/x,x/(x**2+3)] +test := [0,0,1/x,x/(x**2+3)] 1 x (7) [0,0,-,------] @@ -9100,7 +5476,7 @@ test :=3D [0,0,1/x,x/(x**2+3)] Type: List Fraction UnivariatePolynomial(x,Fraction Intege= r) -a1 :=3D test :: T1 +a1 := test :: T1 1 x @@ -9116,13 +5492,13 @@ r) AAA abbreviates domain SomeDomainThatNeedToBeAbbriviated -T2 :=3D AAA(x,F) +T2 := AAA(x,F) (9) SomeDomainThatNeedToBeAbbriviated(x,Fraction Integer) Type: Doma= in -a1 :=3D test :: T1 +a1 := test :: T1 Loading /home/antoine/project/dfinite_2/bug for domain SomeDomainThatNeedToBeAbbriviated @@ -9200,42 +5576,14 @@ a1 := test :: T1 T2 := AAA(x,F) a1 := test :: T1 -------=_Part_41044_27836253.1144533504493-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSMDm-0004SW-E9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:47:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSMDk-0004RM-ER - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:47:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSMDi-0004QW-L4 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:47:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSMDi-0004QD-7o - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.30] (helo=smtp4-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSMHz-0003vU-Id - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:52:19 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2126853FBC - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:47:53 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSMDg-00024K-00 - for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:47:52 +0200 + +\start Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:47:52 +0200 -To: Axiom developers -Subject: Re: Latex Package problem - <002801c65a51$d239ec20$04000100@asus> From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list +Subject: Re: Latex Package problem ---mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ - Hi, On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:44:36AM -0400, Bill Page wrote: @@ -9243,12 +5591,12 @@ On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:44:36AM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > Ralf, > Good detective work! Thanks. -> =20 +> > > So in order to avoid problems for poor Debian users, > > I would suggest to simply remove "final". I believe that > > will not affect the output in any way. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I think you are right. Can someone post a patch for Tim > to apply to the main branch? @@ -9286,34 +5634,10 @@ Fr=E9d=E9ric \usepackage{pst-node} \begin{document} ---mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSMTv-00055t-Fz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:04:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSMTu-00055n-3k - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:04:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSMTs-00055Y-9V - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:04:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSMTs-00055V-0J - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:04:36 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.205] (helo=mta11.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSMY9-0004m2-N7 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:09:01 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta11.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060408230433.OMQL12719.mta11.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]> - for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:04:33 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:13:25 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers -To: Axiom-Developer -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 +To: list Subject: FC5 success (well sort of) Finally got around to getting it running. @@ -9371,43 +5695,11 @@ chmod a+x htsearch user home: .bashrc , or /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/bin - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSN51-0006DF-TJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:42:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSN4z-0006B0-Pg - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:42:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSN4y-00069v-5W - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:42:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSN4x-00069p-VZ - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:42:56 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.202] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSN9F-0006uU-UN - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:47:22 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r21so465025wxc - for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:42:54 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=KTDpKdvVALDruY4WD8o49wYZxTEwIUGTintASIZyMQZ0XtmYBpoVnX6gJ3j6A1cI8LDR7hYxbo/XWhJSWl2o+YTTZyBnNaP1XdCENegIt8Mlmy44kzBPNPHm+1jL5gdN422aErE+5y6zkiGwV9u8Br6iJ6gg3SgQpmlOgVMlSJE= -Received: by 10.70.43.2 with SMTP id q2mr3626258wxq; - Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:42:54 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:42:54 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer , - "Bill Page" Bill Page - boundary="----=_Part_41636_30350222.1144539774849" -Cc: -Subject: Patch : Remove warning message when comipiling - with aldor - -------=_Part_41636_30350222.1144539774849 +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list +Subject: Patch : Remove warning message when comipiling with aldor Hello, @@ -9480,25 +5772,25 @@ Antoine Hersen +++ ../dev/src/interp/setvars.boot.pamphlet=092006-04-07 01:28:13.000000000= -0700 @@ -317,7 +317,7 @@ - output library in which to place compiled code =20 - input controls libraries from which to load compiled code =20 - args arguments for compiling AXIOM code =20 -- -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete=20 -+ -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete=20 - -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra=20 -=20 + output library in which to place compiled code + input controls libraries from which to load compiled code + args arguments for compiling AXIOM code +- -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete ++ -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete + -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra + \end{verbatim} @@ -333,7 +333,7 @@ - <>=3D - setAsharpArgs arg =3D=3D - arg =3D "%initialize%" =3D> -- $asharpCmdlineFlags :=3D '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL__W__Wi= + <>= + setAsharpArgs arg == + arg = "%initialize%" => +- $asharpCmdlineFlags := '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL__W__Wi= llObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra" -+ $asharpCmdlineFlags :=3D '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR__W__= ++ $asharpCmdlineFlags := '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR__W__= WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra" - arg =3D "%display%" =3D> + arg = "%display%" => $asharpCmdlineFlags - (null arg) or (arg =3D "%describe%") or (first arg =3D '_?) =3D> + (null arg) or (arg = "%describe%") or (first arg = '_?) => @@ -2121,14 +2121,14 @@ (DEFUN |displaySetVariableSettings| (|setTree| |label|) (PROG (|setOption|= |st| |opt| |subtree| |subname|) (RETURN (SEQ (PROGN (COND ((BOOT-EQUAL |la= @@ -9509,7 +5801,7 @@ bel| (MAKESTRING " Variables")) $LINELENGTH (QUOTE | |)) (TERPRI) (|sayBrig= htly| (CONS (MAKESTRING "Variable ") (CONS (MAKESTRING "Description = ") (CONS (MAKESTRING "Current Value") NIL)))) (= SAY (|fillerSpaces| $LINELENGTH (|specialChar| (QUOTE |hbar|)))) (SPADLET |= -subtree| NIL) (DO ((#0=3D#:G2822 |setTree| (CDR #0#)) (|setData| NIL)) ((OR= +subtree| NIL) (DO ((#0=#:G2822 |setTree| (CDR #0#)) (|setData| NIL)) ((OR= (ATOM #0#) (PROGN (SETQ |setData| (CAR #0#)) NIL)) NIL) (SEQ (EXIT (COND (= (NULL (|satisfiesUserLevel| (ELT |setData| 2))) NIL) ((QUOTE T) (SPADLET |s= etOption| (|object2String| (ELT |setData| 0))) (SPADLET |setOption| (STRCON= @@ -9519,8 +5811,8 @@ fillerSpaces| (SPADDIFFERENCE 55 (|#| |setOption|)) (MAKESTRING " ")))) (SP= ADLET |st| (ELT |setData| 3)) (COND ((BOOT-EQUAL |st| (QUOTE FUNCTION)) (SP= ADLET |opt| (COND ((|functionp| (ELT |setData| 4)) (FUNCALL (ELT |setData| = 4) (QUOTE |%display%|))) ((QUOTE T) (MAKESTRING "unimplemented")))) (COND (= -(PAIRP |opt|) (SPADLET |opt| (PROG (#1=3D#:G2828) (SPADLET #1# NIL) (RETURN= - (DO ((#2=3D#:G2833 |opt| (CDR #2#)) (|o| NIL)) ((OR (ATOM #2#) (PROGN (SET= +(PAIRP |opt|) (SPADLET |opt| (PROG (#1=#:G2828) (SPADLET #1# NIL) (RETURN= + (DO ((#2=#:G2833 |opt| (CDR #2#)) (|o| NIL)) ((OR (ATOM #2#) (PROGN (SET= Q |o| (CAR #2#)) NIL)) #1#) (SEQ (EXIT (SETQ #1# (APPEND #1# (CONS |o| (CON= S (MAKESTRING " ") NIL)))))))))))) (|sayBrightly| (|concat| |setOption| (QU= OTE |%b|) |opt| (QUOTE |%d|)))) ((BOOT-EQUAL |st| (QUOTE STRING)) (SPADLET = @@ -9540,32 +5832,32 @@ MAKESTRING ")set ")) (CONS |subname| (CONS (MAKESTRING " to see what the op= tions are for") (APPEND (|bright| |subname|) (CONS (MAKESTRING ".") (CONS (= QUOTE |%l|) (CONS (MAKESTRING "For more information, issue") (APPEND (|brig= ht| (MAKESTRING ")help set")) (CONS (MAKESTRING ".") NIL)))))))))))))))))))= -=20 - ;setAsharpArgs arg =3D=3D - ; arg =3D "%initialize%" =3D> --; $asharpCmdlineFlags :=3D '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL__W__W= + + ;setAsharpArgs arg == + ; arg = "%initialize%" => +-; $asharpCmdlineFlags := '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL__W__W= illObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra" -+; $asharpCmdlineFlags :=3D '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR__W_= ++; $asharpCmdlineFlags := '"-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR__W_= _WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra" - ; arg =3D "%display%" =3D> + ; arg = "%display%" => ; $asharpCmdlineFlags - ; (null arg) or (arg =3D "%describe%") or (first arg =3D '_?) =3D> + ; (null arg) or (arg = "%describe%") or (first arg = '_?) => ; describeAsharpArgs() - ; $asharpCmdlineFlags :=3D first(arg) -=20 + ; $asharpCmdlineFlags := first(arg) + -(DEFUN |setAsharpArgs| (|arg|) (COND ((BOOT-EQUAL |arg| (QUOTE |%initializ= e%|)) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (MAKESTRING "-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxi= om -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra"))) ((BOOT-EQUAL |arg|= (QUOTE |%display%|)) |$asharpCmdlineFlags|) ((OR (NULL |arg|) (BOOT-EQUAL = |arg| (QUOTE |%describe%|)) (BOOT-EQUAL (CAR |arg|) (QUOTE ?))) (|describeA= -sharpArgs|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (CAR |arg|)))))=20 +sharpArgs|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (CAR |arg|))))) +(DEFUN |setAsharpArgs| (|arg|) (COND ((BOOT-EQUAL |arg| (QUOTE |%initializ= e%|)) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (MAKESTRING "-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxi= om -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra"))) ((BOOT-EQUAL |ar= g| (QUOTE |%display%|)) |$asharpCmdlineFlags|) ((OR (NULL |arg|) (BOOT-EQUA= L |arg| (QUOTE |%describe%|)) (BOOT-EQUAL (CAR |arg|) (QUOTE ?))) (|describ= -eAsharpArgs|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (CAR |arg|)))))=20 - ;describeAsharpArgs() =3D=3D +eAsharpArgs|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (CAR |arg|))))) + ;describeAsharpArgs() == ; sayBrightly LIST ( ; '%b,'")set compiler args ",'%d,_ --- ../axiom--main--1--patch-47/src/interp/setvart.boot.pamphlet=092006-01-= @@ -9573,23 +5865,23 @@ eAsharpArgs|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADLET |$asharpCmdlineFlags| (CAR |arg|)))))=20 +++ ../dev/src/interp/setvart.boot.pamphlet=092006-04-07 01:33:56.000000000= -0700 @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ - output library in which to place compiled code =20 - input controls libraries from which to load compiled code =20 - args arguments for compiling AXIOM code =20 -- -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete=20 -+ -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete=20 - -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra=20 -=20 + output library in which to place compiled code + input controls libraries from which to load compiled code + args arguments for compiling AXIOM code +- -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete ++ -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete + -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra + \end{verbatim} @@ -173,7 +173,7 @@ quotes. -=20 + The current setting is -- "-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete=20 -+ "-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete=20 - -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra"=20 +- "-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete ++ "-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-ALDOR_W_WillObsolete + -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra" \end{verbatim} - <>=3D + <>= @@ -186,7 +186,7 @@ STRING $asharpCmdlineFlags @@ -9602,37 +5894,11 @@ Y $AXIOM/algebra")) @ \section{expose} - -------=_Part_41636_30350222.1144539774849-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSN9C-0007xC-TW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:47:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSN9B-0007wr-N3 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:47:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSN9B-0007we-30 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:47:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSN9A-0007wb-Tn - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:47:16 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.205] (helo=mta11.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSNDT-0007BS-1Z - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:51:43 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta11.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060408234716.RASY12719.mta11.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]>; - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:47:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:56:25 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers -To: Raymond Rogers, Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 -Cc: As I mentioned: I forgot somethings @@ -9704,41 +5970,11 @@ Raymond E. Rogers wrote: > > user home: .bashrc , or /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc > PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/bin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSO58-0007v0-SH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:47:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSO57-0007ug-Hc - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:47:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSO55-0007uU-1W - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:47:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSO54-0007uR-Te; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:47:06 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FSO9N-0002BC-HB; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:51:33 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSO52-00079Z-00; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:47:04 -0400 -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 08 Apr 2006 20:47:04 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.7 on debian Greetings! @@ -9750,7 +5986,7 @@ needs work :-). Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -9764,51 +6000,14 @@ root Tim Daly writes: > sed: file conftest.s1 line 61: unterminated `s' command > creating windows/install.lsp > sed: file conftest.s1 line 61: unterminated `s' command -> -> -> suggestions? -> -> Tim -> -> -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSPUo-0000fy-JY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:17:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSPUn-0000fe-Et - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:17:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSPUm-0000fQ-Bo - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSPUm-0000fN-6b - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.227] (helo=S1.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSPZ5-0007Th-QR - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:22:12 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.117.100.92]) - by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 53522881 - for multiple; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:18:15 -0700 +\start +Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:17:41 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom -From: Jay Belanger - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> -Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:17:41 -0500 - of "Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:53:12 -0400") -Cc: - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: ... > 3) now the real magic happens with emacs.... > @@ -9861,36 +6060,11 @@ makefile with `shell-command' or something similar? Or something could be arranged so any output goes to a (normally non-showing) buffer, which could be displayed in case of an error. -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSQiR-0007nV-SU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:35:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSQiQ-0007nQ-SP - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:35:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSQiO-0007i5-97 - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:35:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSQiO-0007hk-4P - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:35:52 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSQmi-0003Ol-Gz - for list; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:40:20 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k393ZR5V026224; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:35:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Frederic Lehobey'" Frederic Lehobey -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:34:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Axiom developers' +From: Bill Page +To: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch On April 8, 2006 5:47 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: > ... @@ -9934,40 +6108,10 @@ CVS/ssh with Axiom on SourceForge. So far as I can tell the problem we are having with SVN does not have anything to do with ssh or network connectivity. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSRvO-0005nI-A4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:53:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSRvM-0005n6-1U - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:53:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSRvJ-0005mu-ET - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:53:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSRvJ-0005mr-AN - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:53:17 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.206] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSRze-0006ts-Ch - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:57:46 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so484374wxc - for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=FfAttkZWaz/zs+6cYZq30GIXnrUOEh2IF6n7tMdGYxufEtJ+WpaAGKdgnjOvCuaW4dkC61WE27geGujcT0jKcJa7aclefoVatnhwnESeG4J2pq5wn6Px5DMvEx3Ri/qo9OAeAA7KwAD0nt2+nT9mWxaOpdN8aaejcwaofYIPcHY= -Received: by 10.70.45.5 with SMTP id s5mr1564973wxs; - Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:53:16 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Speeding up Aldor domain compilation Hello, @@ -9980,40 +6124,11 @@ ode. Any ideas ? -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU5-0006CJ-Mk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU3-0006BP-MN - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU1-0006Aw-SI - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSXU1-0006Ap-Ms - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:29 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSXYQ-0003vb-2Y - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:54:02 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k39AnPFT013490 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:49:26 +0200 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:05:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: Patch : Remove warning message when comipiling - with aldor -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: Re: Patch : Remove warning message when comipiling with aldor Thank you Antoine, @@ -10047,40 +6162,11 @@ comment in my eyes. But at least better than nothing. I have not recompiled Axiom for that but I believe without that that this patch does the right thing. (At least it does not hurt.) -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU8-0006DS-5V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU6-0006CS-8K - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU4-0006Br-Ot - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSXU4-0006Bk-IA - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:32 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSXYS-0003w8-U1 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:54:05 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k39AnTFT013499 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:49:30 +0200 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:12:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom - <87ek07pk56.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list Hi Jay, @@ -10095,7 +6181,7 @@ here would be written? Ralf On 04/09/2006 04:17 AM, Jay Belanger wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > ... >> 3) now the real magic happens with emacs.... >> @@ -10147,41 +6233,13 @@ On 04/09/2006 04:17 AM, Jay Belanger wrote: > (shell-command "make -f Makefile.foo &"))) > Or something could be arranged so any output goes to a (normally > non-showing) buffer, which could be displayed in case of an error. -> -> Jay - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXUB-0006Ex-Bn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU9-0006ER-LI - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXU9-0006E2-5d - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSXU8-0006Dn-Nu - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:36 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSXYW-0003wf-Sh - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:54:09 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k39AnXFT013503 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:49:34 +0200 + +\start Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:29:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +Cc: Frederic Lehobey On 04/09/2006 05:34 AM, Bill Page wrote: > On April 8, 2006 5:47 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: @@ -10298,40 +6356,11 @@ learn about such standard tools. Am I wrong? All the best -Ralf - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXUI-0006I5-S8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXUH-0006HU-72 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSXUF-0006Gv-GQ - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSXUF-0006Go-Bs - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:49:43 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSXYd-0003xB-OW - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:54:16 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k39AnbFT013507 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:49:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:47:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Speeding up Aldor domain compilation -Cc: axiom-developer Hi Antoine, @@ -10359,42 +6388,11 @@ don't know of a way for the lisp compiler. Why takes so long is probably also because libaxiom is a big monster with many many interdependencies. But that is a guess. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaT9-0005qJ-3A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:00:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaT7-0005no-4c - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:00:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaT6-0005mK-3D - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:00:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSaT5-0005lw-NX - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:00:43 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.20] (helo=smtp12.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSaXW-0007NP-02 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:05:18 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 55C7E1C000AB - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:00:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-18-78.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.1.78]) - by mwinf1201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 27B1D1C000A6; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:00:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FSaTm-0001O2-Qp; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:01:26 +0200 +Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:01:26 +0200 +From: David Mentre To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <000001c65a5b$36c546e0$6900a8c0@asus> <20060408203438.GB6739@melusine> -From: David Mentre -Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:01:26 +0200 - "Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:38 +0200") -Cc: Axiom developers Frederic Lehobey writes: @@ -10405,42 +6403,11 @@ way, how did you check the authentication of the certificate? I've not yet tried to compile the silver branch. -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaTu-000698-N5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:01:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaTs-00068o-RY - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:01:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaTq-00068c-KS - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:01:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSaTq-00068Z-Ge - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:01:30 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp14.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSaYG-0007QR-Q9 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:06:04 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4735E700008A - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:01:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-89-161.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-89-161.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.30.161]) - by mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E85EA7000083; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:01:27 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Raymond Rogers +\start Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:02:14 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Raymond Rogers +Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) Hi, @@ -10449,54 +6416,18 @@ t : [...] -> The text entry in the browser window doesn't seem to work=20 +> The text entry in the browser window doesn't seem to work Did you try with "Num Lock" disabled. On french keyboard I have to disable "numeric keypad". Hope that helps. -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaW9-0006wL-Je - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:03:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaW7-0006vp-QN - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:03:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaW6-0006vX-8v - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:03:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSaW6-0006vR-1k - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:03:50 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.126] (helo=smtp18.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSaaW-0007aM-CK - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:08:24 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1801.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C0CDC7000099 - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:03:48 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-18-78.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.1.78]) - by mwinf1801.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 98B727000098; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:03:48 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FSaWn-0001QA-8t; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:04:33 +0200 +Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:04:33 +0200 +From: David Mentre To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <000001c65a5b$36c546e0$6900a8c0@asus> <20060408203438.GB6739@melusine> -From: David Mentre -Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:04:33 +0200 - "Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:34:38 +0200") -Cc: Axiom developers Frederic Lehobey writes: @@ -10516,50 +6447,16 @@ However I confirm I obtain the same error. The gziped tar is corrupted (probably, as Bill suggested, because those tar file are not marked as binary). -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaei-0001k2-F4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:12:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaeh-0001jg-72 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:12:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSaee-0001hE-HX - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:12:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSaee-0001hB-CW - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:12:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=smtp3.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSaj4-00081n-VV - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:17:15 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0309.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4EC981C007D3 - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:12:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-18-78.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.53.1.78]) - by mwinf0309.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0FB801C007CA; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:12:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FSafL-0001Qf-H4; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:23 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Removing external binaries from Axiom source tree: a proposal (was: - Re: Axiom silver branch) -From: David Mentre +\start Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:23 +0200 - "Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:25:08 -0400") -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +From: David Mentre +To: Bill Page +Subject: Removing external binaries from Axiom source tree: a proposal (was: Re: Axiom silver branch) +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Hello Bill, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Storing binary files in a source code archive is something that > I have always objected to, but Tim insists on re-distributing @@ -10584,51 +6481,18 @@ option --fetch-and-build-dependencies). What do you think of it? -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSbFG-0001dG-7x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:50:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSbFE-0001bp-9P - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:50:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSbFD-0001bU-PV - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:50:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSbFD-0001bQ-Ln - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:50:27 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSbJe-00021m-FI - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:55:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17083 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 14:50:25 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=0CG4f/JuGKW1nJ8mQdHr9JfHhoX4N1FcSJGP/c40Ob5dx4RjyYaHAu94NIj2X/dvtlTr1knPMAzI1ME9oulMZN/xnyE12JYE8yzcF+qO5tf0LwmU+qV94a+dotqjT+zZANrEjFEQ8iXp+R0tMyeY46exusV6zDDYnP3bEQA/9rc= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:50:25 PDT +\start Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Removing external binaries from Axiom source tree: a proposal - (was: Re: Axiom silver branch) -To: David Mentre, - Bill Page -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +To: David Mentre, Bill Page +Subject: Re: Removing external binaries from Axiom source tree: a proposal (was: Re: Axiom silver branch) +Cc: Frederic Lehobey --- David Mentre wrote: > Hello Bill, > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Storing binary files in a source code archive is something that > > I have always objected to, but Tim insists on re-distributing @@ -10693,43 +6557,11 @@ Most Windows users don't compile applications at all. 3. Mac we can worry about once its working, but I think they have a fairly standard way of doing things? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSbhC-0005by-Ne - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:19:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSbhA-0005bm-P2 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:19:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSbh9-0005ba-O9 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:19:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSbh9-0005bX-EU - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:19:19 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.205] (helo=mta11.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSbla-0001MK-Ox - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:23:54 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta11.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060409151918.JAMC12719.mta11.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]>; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:19:18 -0400 +\start Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:34:52 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers -To: =?UTF-8?B?VmFudXhlbSBHcsOpZ29yeQ==?= Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) - <1144591334.3678.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 -Cc: Axiom-Developer Vanuxem Grégory wrote: > Hi, @@ -10751,54 +6583,22 @@ Vanuxem Grégory wrote: Surely you jest!! OTOH: your right! sigh.... -This explains why I was able to use the browser remotely under ssh from a WinXp laptop, and not -from my computer console. :-( - -Should I try to fix this? Since it doesn't involve the fractal internal linkages of the -axiom/spad/lisp system I might have success. - -Greg: I copied the list, since it doesn't enhance people's opinions to have hidden "secret" -keys/states in machines. - -Ray +This explains why I was able to use the browser remotely under ssh +from a WinXp laptop, and not from my computer console. :-( +Should I try to fix this? Since it doesn't involve the fractal +internal linkages of the axiom/spad/lisp system I might have success. +Greg: I copied the list, since it doesn't enhance people's opinions to +have hidden "secret" keys/states in machines. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSeL0-0005c5-8W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:08:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSeKx-0005ay-KP - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:08:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSeKv-0005ZP-4u - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:08:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSeKu-0005ZA-OA - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:08:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSePN-0004TH-Dj - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:13:09 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDF440F1D; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:08:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k39I6ftZ011111; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:06:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k39I6fRN011110; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:06:41 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Apr 2006 20:06:41 +0200 -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Hello, @@ -10809,7 +6609,7 @@ variants of the source tree. I'm still not in a place where I can do much right now. But, I'm collecting all the suggestions here. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 8, 2006 5:47 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: | > ... @@ -10867,44 +6667,12 @@ That is interesting. Do you have links to those patches so that we can see how we could/should consider them and work out the details with Tim? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSeQj-0008Nv-OB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:14:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSeQh-0008Nq-F1 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:14:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSeQf-0008Ne-04 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:14:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSeQe-0008Nb-Rl - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:14:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSeV7-0004nC-Pc - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:19:05 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9847240F53; - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:14:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k39IChtZ011123; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:12:43 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k39IChNH011122; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:12:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 09 Apr 2006 20:12:43 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <4438E1FB.1010101@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2006 20:12:43 +0200 -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -10960,42 +6728,17 @@ thought. yup, me :-/ I can't do all things at the same time; we have to work gradually. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSfdm-00082x-7e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:32:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSfdk-00082n-K7 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:32:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSfdj-00082W-My - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:32:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSfdj-00082T-JW - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:32:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSfiD-0000jH-93 - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:36:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599444F3B0 - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:31:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) id 1FSfdg-00024Y-1v - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:32:00 +0200 -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 09 Apr 2006 21:32:00 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: how use trace for a domain -Hello,=20 +Hello, I want to follow axiom in his computation for the imag (sin (%i)). -So I try=20 +So I try )trace imag -- I get imag isn't a function. I reread the 30-year book and test @@ -11007,7 +6750,7 @@ imag (sin (%i)) >> System error: Bind stack overflow. -The first time I get about 55 pages of=20 +The first time I get about 55 pages of ... 1exit Expression.denom,81 : (0 . 1) @@ -11021,49 +6764,22 @@ The first time I get about 55 pages of=20 We make a mistake, I or axiom ? -Fran=C3=A7ois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSgRg-0002tH-Bf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:23:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSgRe-0002sy-PT - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:23:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSgRd-0002sj-7Z - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:23:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSgRd-0002sg-2W - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:23:37 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.35] (helo=smtp5-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSgW7-0003kt-3y - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:28:15 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174B72641A - for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:23:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSgRb-0001aA-00 - for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:23:35 +0200 +\start Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:23:35 +0200 -To: Axiom developers - From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list Subject: noweb patch Hi, On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 08:06:41PM +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | On April 8, 2006 5:47 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: > | > On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 05:25:08PM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > | > > Storing binary files in a source code archive is something that > | > > I have always objected to, but Tim insists on re-distributing > | > > code this way. I really think we should stop doing this. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Please, provide the relevant patches. This is exactly what needs > | > the silver branch and what it is intended for. :-) @@ -11071,7 +6787,7 @@ On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 08:06:41PM +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | both gcl and noweb would have to be installed *before* building > | Axiom. Personally, I don't think that this is a problem. Tim Daly > | resists. Are there any other opinions? ->=20 +> > I believe we should keep noweb. Why? @@ -11089,11 +6805,11 @@ application: http://klik.atekon.de/ > | a couple of years ago. It provides a simple awk script to allow > | noweb to be used with Axiom pamphlet files without modifications > | to noweb. -> |=20 +> | > | Together these two patches eliminate the need to build noweb and > | gcl as part of the Axiom build and thus eliminate the need for > | the corresponding .tgz files in the source code archive. ->=20 +> > That is interesting. Do you have links to those patches so that we > can see how we could/should consider them and work out the details > with Tim? @@ -11131,38 +6847,11 @@ should be more experimental and intended at developers (or wannabe developers). I do not see the point in weekly versions as suggested by Gabriel. -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSknS-00067j-0N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:02:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSknQ-00067U-Hx - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:02:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSknO-00066N-4w - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:02:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSknN-00065x-VK - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:02:21 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSkru-0001Ht-Ng - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:07:02 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3A122GB011026; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:02:15 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Antoine Hersen'" Antoine Hersen -Subject: RE: Speeding up Aldor domain compilation Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:02:00 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: Speeding up Aldor domain compilation On April 9, 2006 12:53 AM Antoine Hersen wrote: > @@ -11185,45 +6874,11 @@ The only explanation I can think of is that your computer must be very limited in memory and that it spends an extreme amount of time swapping to disk. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSmLA-00063n-NU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:41:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSmL9-00063h-6S - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:41:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSmL7-00061C-8T - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:41:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSmL7-000613-2Y - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:41:17 -0400 -Received: from [193.124.167.24] (helo=inpbox.inp.nsk.su) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSmPe-0006Qf-NV - for list; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:45:59 -0400 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su ([193.124.167.6]) - by inpbox.inp.nsk.su with esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1FSmKs-0003ND-O4; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:41:02 +0700 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A2f2e8023761; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:41:02 +0700 -Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k3A2f1Jo023757; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:41:01 +0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:41:01 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: noweb patch - - <20060409202335.GA5126@melusine> -Cc: Axiom developers On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, Frederic Lehobey wrote: > A `dream' of mine would be to provide also axiom as a kilk @@ -11233,39 +6888,10 @@ Please, NO!! It asks the user to execite an arbitrary code from an untrusted place in the Internet. No sane person should do this. Ever. -Andrey - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSrkY-0005aZ-Ss - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:27:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSrkX-0005ZY-84 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:27:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSrkV-0005Yp-Fz - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:27:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSrkV-0005Ym-9f - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:27:51 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.30] (helo=smtp4-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSrp6-0003ez-Ff - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 04:32:36 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92A8547E9; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:27:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FSrkS-0001FG-00; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:27:48 +0200 +\start Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:27:48 +0200 -To: Andrey G. Grozin - - <20060409202335.GA5126@melusine> - From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: Axiom developers +To: Andrey G. Grozin Subject: klik or not? Hi, @@ -11275,9 +6901,9 @@ On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:41:01AM +0700, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > >A `dream' of mine would be to provide also axiom as a kilk > >application: http://klik.atekon.de/ > Please, NO!! ->=20 +> > It asks the user to execite an arbitrary code from an untrusted place i= -n=20 +n > the Internet. No sane person should do this. Ever. OK. @@ -11287,34 +6913,11 @@ the developers or any other trusted person; it might also be run from a chroot. I think anyways we are still very far from a `klikable' axiom. -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSsUo-00081S-HQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:15:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSsUm-000812-2n - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:15:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSsUk-00080X-2m - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:15:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSsUj-00080Q-P7 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:15:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSsZK-0006mc-W9 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:20:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3A95tHb071044; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:05:56 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 10 Apr 2006 11:10:34 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: how use trace for a domain -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 Apr 2006 11:10:34 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Francois, @@ -11442,65 +7045,35 @@ you'll get what you wanted. The bind stack overflow when tracing EXPR is a bug. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSx1P-00011C-O2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:05:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSx1O-0000ym-0n - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:05:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSx1M-0000yA-Bv - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:05:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSx1M-0000xw-90 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:05:36 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp14.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSx60-0004x4-Le - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:10:24 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1406.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 455DE70000CE - for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:05:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-113-92.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-113-92.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.250.92]) - by mwinf1406.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E597970000C8; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:05:33 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Raymond Rogers - <1144591334.3678.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <4439299C.8010808@plaidheron.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:06:24 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Raymond Rogers +Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) Hi, Le dimanche 09 avril 2006 =C3=A0 11:34 -0400, Raymond E. Rogers a =C3=A9c= -rit :=20 +rit : > Vanuxem Gr=C3=A9gory wrote: > > Hi, -> >=20 +> > > > Le samedi 08 avril 2006 =C3=A0 19:13 -0400, Raymond E. Rogers a =C3=A9= crit : -> >=20 +> > > > [...] -> >=20 -> >> The text entry in the browser window doesn't seem to work=20 -> >=20 +> > +> >> The text entry in the browser window doesn't seem to work +> > > > Did you try with "Num Lock" disabled. On french keyboard I have to > > disable "numeric keypad". -> >=20 +> > > > Hope that helps. -> >=20 +> > > > Cheers, -> >=20 +> > > > Greg ->=20 +> > Surely you jest!! OTOH: your right! No, sorry. Sometimes I quickly write emails that contain some @@ -11512,7 +7085,7 @@ your libraries file a bug on Mathaction. > This explains why I was able to use the browser remotely under ssh from= a WinXp laptop, and not > from my computer console. :-( ->=20 +> > Should I try to fix this? Since it doesn't involve the fractal interna= l linkages of the > axiom/spad/lisp system I might have success. @@ -11524,49 +7097,17 @@ list for public review. Cheers, -Greg=20 ->=20 +Greg +> > Greg: I copied the list, since it doesn't enhance people's opinions to = have hidden "secret" > keys/states in machines. ->=20 -> Ray ->=20 ->=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSyB4-0002NX-Ju - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:19:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSyB2-0002Mz-GO - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:19:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSyB0-0002Me-2s - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:19:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSyAz-0002Mb-T2 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:19:37 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.46] (helo=vms046pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FSyFf-0002g4-4d - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:24:27 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.163.200]) - by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXI0078RIKOKLI0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:19:36 -0500 (CDT) + +\start Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:19:46 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: )trace and RANDOM() bugs (was how use trace for - a domain) To: Francois Maltey -Message-id: <443A7792.5C00C144@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: )trace and RANDOM() bugs (was how use trace for a domain) Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -11583,53 +7124,17 @@ seems to have to do with coercion to output, but may be not. The bug has nothing to do with imag, sin, or '%i'. See SandBox Trace EXPR. I am working on the report to IssueTracker #283 (nothing posted yet). -William - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSydN-0006r8-81 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSydL-0006r0-U3 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSydK-0006qa-4a - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSydK-0006qX-1N - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:54 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSyhz-00057P-F9 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:53:43 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3AFmTe9017419; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +\start +Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:20 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch -Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:48:20 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' - - +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > -----Original Message----- -> From: Gabriel Dos Reis=20 -> [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis]=20 -> Sent: April 9, 2006 2:07 PM -> To: Bill Page -> Cc: 'Frederic Lehobey'; 'Axiom developers' -> Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> > Hello, ->=20 +> > I'm sorry to hear people have had trouble checking out the SVN > tree. When I ried check out, it was from a hotel where the > connection was very poor but I did not have problems checking @@ -11643,7 +7148,7 @@ using SVN on Windows and some linux platforms. It might be network configuration related but it is also SVS specific since I can download successfully using CVS on SourceForge through the same machine and network connection. I hope this is something -that is corrected in newer versions of SVN.=20 +that is corrected in newer versions of SVN. Concerning storing binary files in the Axiom CVS and SVN archives I think we should at least make it work correctly as it is before @@ -11670,42 +7175,12 @@ permit Axiom to be build from the SVN archive. According to SourceForge this might take 2 or 3 hours to complete. (Is SVN really that slow?) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSysi-0004Uq-QX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:04:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSysh-0004U9-4O - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:04:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FSysf-0004TA-1T - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:04:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FSyse-0004T2-S0 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:04:44 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FSyxK-0006Pv-7g - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:09:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3AG4aFT025852 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:04:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:05:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > In the SourceForge Axiom CVS archive I have set the binary mode > for all the *.tgz files in the zips directory using the command: @@ -11732,38 +7207,12 @@ trouble with CVS and binaries. Does someone need the history that is in the CVS currently? Aren't we satisfied with the history of axiom--main--1--patch-47? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT0PW-0007oV-JY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:42:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT0PU-0007oB-K2 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:42:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT0PT-0007ns-4o - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:42:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FT0PS-0007np-Vm - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:42:43 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FT0U9-0006d0-Ib - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:47:33 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3AHg8es010289; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:42:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:42:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch +Cc: Frederic Lehobey On April 10, 2006 12:06 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -11823,40 +7272,11 @@ I think you might be right about the irrelevance of history to the "silver" branch so that means we could optimize the SVN archive and remove (most?) of this history. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT0cn-0005Pd-Az - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:56:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT0cl-0005N2-Nv - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:56:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT0ck-0005K9-37 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:56:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FT0cj-0005Ju-W3 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:56:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FT0hQ-0007yx-H4 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:01:16 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3AHsw28027022; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:56:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Harry'" -Subject: RE: how to install Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:54:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Axiom developers' +From: Bill Page +To: Harry Georgiou +Subject: RE: how to install On April 10, 2006 1:35 PM Harry wrote: > @@ -11893,45 +7313,11 @@ again as explained at http://wiki.axiom-developer.org -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT2n7-00065O-5z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:15:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT2n6-00065J-6b - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:15:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FT2n3-000657-Q7 - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:15:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FT2n3-000654-Kq - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:15:13 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FT2rl-0004Ea-NY - for list; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:05 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CF114222; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:16:57 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.5]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8893BFD3; - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:16:56 -0500 (CDT) +Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:15:11 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom -From: Jay Belanger - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> - <87ek07pk56.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <4438D01B.20402@hemmecke.de> -Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:15:11 -0500 - 09 Apr 2006 11:12:59 +0200") -Cc: list - Ralf Hemmecke writes: ... @@ -11943,45 +7329,14 @@ Should that be added to the current "Axiom in Emacs" page, or should I'd be happy to create the page. It should probably start with Tim's discussion, but I wouldn't want to add it without his okay. -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTDqL-0006hj-2B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTDqI-0006gp-IC - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTDqG-0006fr-Vq - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTDqG-0006fh-Nd - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTDv5-0005pT-Fq - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:15 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC9B40F71; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:03:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3B81KtZ017852; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:01:21 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3B81KZs017851; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:01:20 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2006 10:01:20 +0200 -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch +Cc: Frederic Lehobey -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -12048,37 +7403,10 @@ Thanks! yes, it is that fast, when you mind about the history of the commits and such.... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTE8n-0008L6-93 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:22:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTE8m-0008KU-EI - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:22:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTE8k-0008Jt-5W - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:22:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTE8k-0008Jq-08 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:22:22 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.44] (helo=vms044pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTEDZ-0008Br-6o - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:27:21 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.163.200]) - by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXJ005DNTX8S6J5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:22:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:22:32 -0400 From: William Sit -To: Bill Page, list -Message-id: <443B6748.8B1753B6@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: +To: Bill Page Subject: error and editing Hi Bill: @@ -12104,40 +7432,11 @@ I tried to find how to set the wrap line option in preferences but could not. Sorry for the mess up and thanks for fixing up any left-overs. -William - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTEGx-0005ME-PU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:30:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTEGw-0005Lx-R0 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:30:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTEGv-0005LV-Cr - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:30:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTEGv-0005LL-A6 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:30:49 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.46] (helo=vms046pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTELk-0000bO-Ie - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:35:48 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.163.200]) - by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXJ00785UBBKKK3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:30:48 -0500 (CDT) +\start Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:30:55 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: how use trace for a domain To: Martin Rubey, - Tim Daly Tim Daly -Message-id: <443B693F.8E8C72EE@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <851ww5aj91.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: how use trace for a domain Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -12155,40 +7454,11 @@ My suspicion is it has to do with FRAC, )math, and of course )trace. Does anyone knows how to trace )trace? (Tim: where is )trace and in what language is it written?) -William - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTGAF-0006Mq-Dw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:32:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTGAE-0006MJ-3M - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:32:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTGAC-0006Lj-Sl - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:32:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTGAC-0006Lc-Le - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:32:00 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.48] (helo=vms048pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTGF2-000689-RC - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:37:01 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.163.200]) - by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXJ00LBOZXAX1M2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:31:59 -0500 (CDT) +\start Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:32:10 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: operations working in general, - but not in specialcases -- help needed To: Ralf Hemmecke -Message-id: <443B85AA.89799B6D@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4432980B.4EDCE622@cunyvm.cuny.edu> <44339AA8.7000003@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +Subject: Re: operations working in general, but not in specialcases -- help needed Ralf Hemmecke wrote on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:23:36 +0200: > @@ -12449,39 +7719,11 @@ in E outside of this union matters. There is also no requirement of any algebraic structure on E. The whole essense of matroids depends on the set relations among a (finite) family of finite subsets. -William - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTGCn-00079b-QQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:34:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTGCm-00079E-IF - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:34:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTGCk-00078X-Dl - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:34:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTGCj-00078L-VD - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:34:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTGHZ-0006PL-Nl - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:39:38 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3BAYYFT023288 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:34:35 +0200 +\start Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:34:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom - <4438D01B.20402@hemmecke.de> <87irphw5kg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list Hi Jay, @@ -12541,38 +7783,12 @@ Actually, that should be clear anyway... In fact, I even think that there should no names on a wiki page at all. They all are written by "the axiom community". One cannot get credit for it. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTJyW-0003HA-Hq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:36:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTJyT-0003Fd-TZ - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:36:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTJyQ-0003Dl-M5 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:36:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTJyQ-0003Df-GY - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTK3I-00015n-Pm - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:41:09 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3BEZXYK007554; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:35:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:35:28 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch -Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:35:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, - 'Axiom developers' +Cc: Frederic Lehobey On April 11, 2006 4:01 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -12609,39 +7825,11 @@ same thing with darcs and tla only takes a few minutes at most. Almost all my experiences with SVN have been sort of negative in this way and to top it off it is way too much like CVS! :( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTKLt-0002YI-7n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTKLr-0002Xv-RW - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTKLp-0002X0-O8 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTKLp-0002Wv-KI - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:17 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTKQi-0004Ot-CP - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:05:20 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3BExnTP014287; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:00:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Developers and Axiom Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:59:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Developers and Axiom Ralf, @@ -12709,45 +7897,13 @@ I think anyone who spends time improving the site will in fact this is not formal credit in the sense most applicable to personal promotion etc. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTLyF-0001b0-Ep - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:44:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTLyE-0001Z2-5L - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:44:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTLyA-0001VO-HV - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:44:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTLyA-0001VL-EA - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:43:58 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTM34-0007Uv-6t - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:49:02 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B669407F7 - for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:45:44 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.5]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7B513E4D; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:45:43 -0500 (CDT) -To: 'Axiom developers' -Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Jay Belanger Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:43:56 -0500 - "Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:35:28 -0400") -Cc: - +From: Jay Belanger +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On April 11, 2006 4:01 AM Gaby wrote: > @@ -12785,42 +7941,11 @@ I assume that when some recursive copy in the Makefile is called, it tries to write over some subversion files (which of course don't have permissions which allow that). Am I the only one with this problem? -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOLJ-0003hR-4I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:16:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOLI-0003fz-01 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:16:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOLF-0003c8-IN - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:15:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTOLF-0003bb-9v - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:15:57 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTOQ9-0003CG-Jy - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:21:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 72D3B6827A; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:15:54 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D2BA868282; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:15:50 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:15:51 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Axiom silver branch -Thread-Index: AcZdhyuTraT7g06jRnS+8GdVHZRWpwAFDz0g From: Bill Page -To: Jay Belanger, - "Axiom developers" -Cc: +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: RE: Axiom silver branch On Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:44 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > >> Bill Page wrote: @@ -12844,15 +7969,15 @@ On Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:44 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > > developers who have downloaded the SVN silver version should test > > this. An 'svn update' should be sufficient. Then Axiom should > > build from this archive. ->=20 +> > Have you actually built it, or just downloaded it? I downloaded it and checked that I could successfully decompress and untar the binary files. I did not attempt to build Axiom. > When I try to build it, I get a series of errors of the form: ->=20 -> cp: cannot create regular file=20 +> +> cp: cannot create regular file > `/usr/local/belanger/axiom/silver/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/prop- > base/axiom.sty.svn-base': Permission denied @@ -12861,21 +7986,21 @@ that the Axiom build would be trying to create files in a directory with the name '.svn' since that is a directory owned by SVN. -> cp: cannot create regular file=20 +> cp: cannot create regular file > `/usr/local/belanger/axiom/silver/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/forma > t': Permission denied -> cp: cannot create regular file=20 +> cp: cannot create regular file > `/usr/local/belanger/axiom/silver/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/text- > base/axiom.sty.svn-base': Permission denied -> cp: cannot create regular file=20 +> cp: cannot create regular file > `/usr/local/belanger/axiom/silver/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/READM > E.txt': Permission denied ->=20 +> > I assume that when some recursive copy in the Makefile is called, > it tries to write over some subversion files (which of course don't > have permissions which allow that). Am I the only one with this > problem? ->=20 +> I can try the build myself later today but I can not imagine what would cause the Axiom build process to do that. Are you @@ -12887,42 +8012,10 @@ during the Axiom build and should not be present in the SVN archive and so should not contain a '.svn' subdirectory. I am not sure what is going on. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOVH-0006ly-AC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:26:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOVG-0006lR-84 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:26:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOVF-0006l2-00 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:26:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTOVE-0006kz-T1 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:26:16 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FTOaA-0004Mt-GI - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:31:22 -0400 -Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOV6-0003SH-VR - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:26:08 +0200 -Received: from 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net ([69.160.148.143]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:26:08 +0200 -Received: from simon by 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net with local (Gmexim - 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:26:08 +0200 -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:26:36 -0700 - <004801c65d78$99d57640$6900a8c0@asus> +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom Hi, @@ -12937,40 +8030,10 @@ I've found it useful to display this right on the front page, but only to a certain depth, as at http://zwiki.org and http://zopewiki.org (requires a recent Zwiki). -Hope this helps --Simon - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTObg-0002HI-Hu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:32:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTObe-0002Gi-TA - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:32:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTObd-0002FM-Al - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:32:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTObd-0002FF-7u - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:32:53 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.198] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTOgY-00056r-RD - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:37:59 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so906531wxc - for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:51 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=e3f5zfd/xNp7v7NbQi0tuM2rL0PZCan4fNbCg5rpXqF4THX2okBraaSy8EOR7uuriQzQj91+VAUXPjyffXWS4GrHdi2k+e8s7uZ73ipaLqJwdsjr9x1GL5ZJ9ZlzEXSbzk4meO0+h8IE7Vcs06KkIPVQN2D37iAgK45cAdyY0Jg= -Received: by 10.70.21.6 with SMTP id 6mr367161wxu; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:51 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:32:51 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer - boundary="----=_Part_8331_15225078.1144783971814" +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Book vol 3 ------=_Part_8331_15225078.1144783971814 @@ -12984,52 +8047,11 @@ The result is quite convinient for me. Should I put it on the wiki ? What is the policy for file hosting ? -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_8331_15225078.1144783971814 - -Hello,

I added \usepackage{hyperref}, converted some ps to pdf = - to book vol3 and used pdflatex.
The result is quite convinient for me.<= -br>
Should I put it on the wiki ?
What is the policy for file hosting= - ? -

Regards,
Antoine Hersen
- -------=_Part_8331_15225078.1144783971814-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOuT-00048r-4D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOuS-00048Y-GI - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTOuQ-000480-G1 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTOuQ-00047x-7u - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:18 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTOzL-0007TY-U6 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:57:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5630D668B8; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:17 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3455666087; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:11 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Book vol 3 +\start Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:52:13 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Book vol 3 -Thread-Index: AcZdnsC/zj6TpLWxR9uiuCqThtLP/wAARlMg From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: Book vol 3 On Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:33 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -13038,7 +8060,7 @@ On Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:33 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: > for me. > > Should I put it on the wiki ? -> What is the policy for file hosting ?=20 +> What is the policy for file hosting ? Thanks for doing this and offering to upload it for others. @@ -13075,41 +8097,11 @@ dvips -> ps2pdf and will produce good quality hyperlinks. Please ask if you need more explanation for any of these options. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPfa-0004oy-21 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:41:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPfW-0004li-Tm - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:40:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPfV-0004ky-Ux - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:40:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTPfV-0004ki-Me - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:40:57 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTPkR-0004P9-OL - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:46:04 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 20DA1140E6; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:42:43 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.5]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4DD408BC; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:42:42 -0500 (CDT) +Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:40:55 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:40:55 -0500 - (Bill Page's message of "Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:15:51 -0400") -Cc: Axiom developers - Bill Page writes: ... @@ -13320,38 +8312,11 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/belanger/axiom/silver' make: *** [all] Error 2 [silver]> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPpk-0002bw-Hm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:51:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPpi-0002bE-EX - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:51:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPph-0002ap-2x - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:51:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTPpg-0002ai-ON - for list; 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Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:56:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPuc-0003zl-1D - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:56:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTPub-0003zM-Iy - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:56:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTPub-0003zH-Ce - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:56:33 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTPzX-0006bZ-O8 - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:01:39 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D0BFF1428D - for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:58:19 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.5]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37903C236; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:58:19 -0500 (CDT) +Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:56:32 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom -From: Jay Belanger - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> - <87ek07pk56.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <4438D01B.20402@hemmecke.de> - <87irphw5kg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <443B8639.9040408@hemmecke.de> -Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:56:32 -0500 - 11 Apr 2006 12:34:33 +0200") -Cc: - Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -13650,45 +8585,15 @@ On the other hand, since there's quite a bit that could be said about Axiom and Emacs, and it might be easier to navigate if it's broken down into sections. -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTQKy-0005Cp-FF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTQKv-0005BX-Pg - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTQKu-0005BH-4f - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTQKu-0005BE-1L - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTQPp-0001LL-Mj - for list; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:28:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 31D3E68748; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:42 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0F47A68745; - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:39 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: error and editing Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:23:27 -0400 -Thread-Topic: error and editing -Thread-Index: AcZdQRZstaPEB+UJSWS/h9lkGv8q5wAarraw From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Cc: list +Subject: RE: error and editing On Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:23 AM William Sit wrote: ->=20 -> Last night, I accidentally modified the title of SandBox to=20 +> +> Last night, I accidentally modified the title of SandBox to > [SandBox Trace EXPR] but I think I managed to revert it back. > Please verify, since Wiki seems to automatically update all > links once a title is modified. @@ -13696,12 +8601,12 @@ On Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:23 AM William Sit wrote: No problem. I think everything is back to the way it should be. ->=20 +> > I also found that the preview and resulting display after > a save not to apply line wrap so that a long paragraph is > displayed as a long line. This happened both for Firefox and > IE (and I don't think it is my local settings). In other -> words, the style is not handling html correctly. I tried all=20 +> words, the style is not handling html correctly. I tried all > sorts of editing style (pamphlet, etc) and none seem to help > and I had to manually insert linefeeds. @@ -13727,15 +8632,15 @@ Section 1. The Issues These are probably related ... ->=20 -> Somehow, [SandBox Trace EXPR and FRAC] has word wrap but=20 +> +> Somehow, [SandBox Trace EXPR and FRAC] has word wrap but > [SandBox Trace Analysed] does not. I left the first text > paragraph like that as an example. I think it looks ok now. ->=20 -> Changing the editing style modified the source too, for=20 +> +> Changing the editing style modified the source too, for > example, '0$EXPR' would sometimes turn into $0$EXPR$ which > would be quite confusing (to me at least). @@ -13745,8 +8650,8 @@ is to escape the $ signs with \ like this '\$'. Without you might see a LaTeX error message at the bottom of the page. ->=20 -> I tried to find how to set the wrap line option in=20 +> +> I tried to find how to set the wrap line option in > preferences but could not. > @@ -13755,50 +8660,19 @@ rest of the page was due to a bug in the way ZWiki treated the first paragraph which contained a :: formatting instruction. By adding the initial heading, it seems to be possible to work-a-round this bug. -=20 + > Sorry for the mess up and thanks for fixing up any > left-overs. ->=20 +> Not a problem. Please check it and see if it looks better to you now. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTZ2g-0001sz-Jp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:41:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTZ2f-0001sa-0x - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:41:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTZ2e-0001sC-6B - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:41:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTZ2e-0001s9-47 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:41:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTZ7g-0002ta-8o - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:46:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5494F3CF; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:41:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FTZ2b-0001aI-Gh; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:41:25 +0200 +Date: 12 Apr 2006 08:41:25 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> - <87ek07pk56.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <4438D01B.20402@hemmecke.de> - <87irphw5kg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <443B8639.9040408@hemmecke.de> - <871ww3ltkv.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 12 Apr 2006 08:41:25 +0200 -Cc: list Hello all, @@ -13817,42 +8691,11 @@ It's right for my own use isn't perfect. If someone has questions about it and has good ideas we can see together how to do. -Have a good day ! - -Francois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTZxv-0000cS-Fk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:40:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTZxs-0000Za-11 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:40:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTZxm-0000Vl-Lv - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:40:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTZxm-0000Vf-D0 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:40:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTa2o-00011w-QT - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:45:43 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3C7eQFT002254 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:40:26 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:40:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom - <4438D01B.20402@hemmecke.de> <87irphw5kg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <443B8639.9040408@hemmecke.de> <871ww3ltkv.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list Do what you think is most appropriate, somebody then might improve on it. We are all watching ;-) and after all it is important that the @@ -13873,50 +8716,12 @@ On 04/11/2006 10:56 PM, Jay Belanger wrote: > On the other hand, since there's quite a bit that could be said about > Axiom and Emacs, and it might be easier to navigate if it's broken > down into sections. -> -> Jay -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTa04-00026C-GX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:42:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTa01-000250-SY - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:42:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTa00-00023S-Aq - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:42:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTZzz-00023J-VZ - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:42:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTa52-0001Hk-KQ - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:48:00 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBF64F3D7; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:42:40 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3C7eotZ022395; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:40:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3C7eo3p022394; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:40:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 12 Apr 2006 09:40:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <87acarluaw.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2006 09:40:50 +0200 -Cc: Axiom developers Jay Belanger writes: @@ -13980,39 +8785,10 @@ above) and fire only if needed. Indeed. I'm very suspicious of that duplication. Tim do you know why we have gottten that overwrite? - -Many thanks for your investigation! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTaEg-0003Sk-DN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:57:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTaEe-0003Qq-GL - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:57:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTaEd-0003Pq-FO - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:57:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTaEd-0003PS-81 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:57:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTaJf-00030M-Pj - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:03:08 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3C7vrFT002497 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:57:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:58:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Re: [Events] (new) Hi Bill, @@ -14029,42 +8805,10 @@ content of the page. Ralf -On 04/12/2006 03:41 AM, Bill Page wrote: -> Changes http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/Events/diff -> -- -> Please post notices and information about events, conferences -> and meetings related to Axiom and computer algebra here. -> -- -> forwarded from http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/Events#msg20060412034102+0200@axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTbRk-0005BL-RI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:15:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTbRj-0005Au-11 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:15:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTbRi-0005AX-CE - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:15:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTbRi-0005AT-7x - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:15:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTbWl-000315-ME - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:20:43 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3C9FRFT004054 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:15:28 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:15:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: AxiomWiki TOC Is there a simple way of writing a "table of contents" of a page at the @@ -14080,121 +8824,31 @@ for doing this. 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Zwiki considers the first paragraph (up to a certain length) to be the page's summary and uses that in recent changes, search keywords and other places. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTedo-00020U-5C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:40:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTedm-0001zx-Ph - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:40:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTedl-0001z4-2M - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:40:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTedk-0001yr-N5 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:40:08 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FTeiq-0000Zu-3k - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:45:24 -0400 -Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTede-0006vt-Ha - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:40:02 +0200 -Received: from 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net ([69.160.148.143]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:40:02 +0200 -Received: from simon by 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net with local (Gmexim - 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:40:02 +0200 -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:37:32 -0700 +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Re: AxiomWiki TOC The only simple way is to use the .. contents:: directive of the "restructured text" page type.. but that page type doesn't support LaTeX, axiom and the rest. Bill and I were just discussing it. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTeqZ-0004Nc-He - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:53:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTeqX-0004NN-7R - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:53:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTeqV-0004Mh-Av - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:53:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTeqV-0004Md-7r - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:53:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTeva-0002G4-TM - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:58:35 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CCrDGn017050; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:53:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024EB7F407; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:53:13 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CDdvg17337; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:21:33 +0200) Subject: Re: Latex Package problem - <200604061733.k36HX2H05961@localhost.localdomain> - <4435865D.9010805@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list re: Final @@ -14205,40 +8859,10 @@ I believe it was sent to me while we were busy trying to demonstrate the use of hyperlinking in graph structures. I'll remove it in the next release. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTesn-0005KM-LV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:55:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTesm-0005JY-96 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:55:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTesl-0005J6-Iz - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:55:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTesl-0005J3-AT - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:55:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTexr-0002Xu-13 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:00:55 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CCtafa019016; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:55:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4577F40C; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:55:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CDgKe17341; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:42:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:42:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Re: [SkypeName] (new) > Peer to peer voice service. Users may call each other computer-to-computer @@ -14251,43 +8875,11 @@ searching for my email address). I'm generally available on gaim (pelzel000) -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTewO-0006Wk-Do - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:59:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTewN-0006W1-5W - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:59:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTewM-0006VT-GX - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:59:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTewM-0006VN-94 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:59:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTf1R-0002x5-UR - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:38 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CCxIx6021643; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:59:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3B57F408; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:59:19 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CDk2v17356; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:46:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:46:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 07 Apr 2006 11:54:27 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: list > I would like to discuss the organization of branches and procedures. @@ -14306,43 +8898,11 @@ to the build procedures. Bill is quite interested in doing things like building Axiom on native GCL and native noweb, both of which I've rejected. A silver build can do anything you want. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTf1H-00007a-E4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTf1F-00007K-RT - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTf1E-00006d-OW - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTf1E-00006Z-HN - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTf6J-0003SH-Tt - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:09:40 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CD4KPe024227; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1DA7F406; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:04:20 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CDp4S17361; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:51:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:51:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 07 Apr 2006 11:54:27 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch -Cc: list > I just spoke with Benjamin (in CC:), from Red Hat, about possible > inclusion of Axiom in linux distros, and Red Hat in particular. That @@ -14358,47 +8918,11 @@ Doyen as a 'science platform' at conferences provided it was built on fedora. Jose Alfredo has moved it from Knoppix to Fedora in the latest release (http://sourceforge.net/projects/doyencd) -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTf2c-0000YF-Lk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTf2b-0000Xm-3O - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTf2Z-0000XD-CO - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTf2Z-0000XA-8W - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTf7e-0003f1-Tk - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:11:03 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CD5ZdO020076; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7557F408; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:05:37 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CDqLA17366; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:52:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:52:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Frederic Lehobey - on Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:13:02 +0200) Subject: Re: Compiling Axiom from arch source on Debian sarge - <200604061807.k36I7lA06061@localhost.localdomain> - <20060406175854.GB8550@melusine> - <200604061917.k36JHDn06180@localhost.localdomain> - <20060407131302.GA5222@melusine> -Cc: list > > unfortunately, due to the awk scripts (and a failure of the clean stanza) > > this is not enough. you need to removed two awk scripts and all of @@ -14416,42 +8940,11 @@ Cc: list I'll fix the 'make clean' in the next release. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfBC-0007Qa-49 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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- Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:01:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:01:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Frederic Lehobey - on Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:25:59 +0200) Subject: Re: Latex Package problem -Cc: list > I am just compiling patch-47 axiom on standard debian sarge. > @@ -14469,39 +8962,11 @@ Alternatively you can build Axiom and see the latex output on the console: will cause the latex output to appear. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfIY-000270-Gd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfIW-00026N-Bd - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfIU-00025f-QN - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTfIU-00025c-Ns - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:22:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTfNa-0005n8-BR - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:27:30 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3CDM4Ri009960 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <200604121346.k3CDk2v17356@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 04/12/2006 03:46 PM, root wrote: >> I would like to discuss the organization of branches and procedures. @@ -14523,43 +8988,11 @@ SilverAxiom and it lives under ~/silver/${MNT}/${SYS}. Exactly the same if you check out from the axiom--main--1 (gold) archive to ~/gold you get a GoldAxiom under ~/gold/${MNT}/${SYS}. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfoI-00071B-BE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:55:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfoH-00070E-E7 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:55:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTfoF-0006yA-K6 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:55:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTfoF-0006xl-CI - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:55:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTftL-0001t5-KC - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:00:19 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CDsqAe013669; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:54:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C737F40B; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CEfYe17422; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: FC5: rsync, lsp, 2412, etc - <200604011617.k31GH6U30230@localhost.localdomain> - <4436EED5.50001@plaidheron.com> -Cc: list > Tim, > Evidently you moved the bash fix into CVS. The make staggers on. @@ -14568,43 +9001,11 @@ Cc: list src/include/xpm.h -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgSZ-0001mE-Lh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:36:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgSX-0001lN-Tf - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:36:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgSU-0001kV-PR - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:36:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTgSU-0001kF-HX - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:36:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgXb-0006jd-9c - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:55 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CEaRlI002274; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:36:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E8D7F405; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:36:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFNDq17433; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:23:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:23:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Frederic Lehobey - on Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:47:06 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <003c01c65b52$f6502050$6900a8c0@asus> <20060408214706.GA7721@melusine> -Cc: list > Storing binary files in a source code archive is something that > I have always objected to, but Tim insists on re-distributing @@ -14692,44 +9093,11 @@ the upstream systems become the standard in most distributions. I still hold the fundamental philosophy that 'Axiom should just work'. -Tim - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgWF-0004ZW-MP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:40:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgWD-0004Yg-8z - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:40:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgWB-0004Xf-NV - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:40:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTgWB-0004XT-EM - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:40:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgbI-00078z-1O - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:44 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CEeGww003856; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:40:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2267F410; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFR2W17441; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:27:02 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:27:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Frederic Lehobey - on Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:47:52 +0200) Subject: Re: Latex Package problem - <002801c65a51$d239ec20$04000100@asus> <20060408224752.GB7721@melusine> -Cc: list > +% > +% 2006-04-08. The original (correct) usepackage line below @@ -14747,44 +9115,11 @@ Cc: list patch applied. fixed in the next release -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgbS-0007Vf-5P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgbQ-0007Tn-ND - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgbP-0007RU-2E - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTgbO-0007RJ-TB - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTggV-0007r3-LO - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51:07 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CEjmk2014515; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:48 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC497F404; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:45:48 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFWVl17448; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:32:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:32:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) -Cc: list - -Raymond, - > cd axiom > ./configure @@ -14800,44 +9135,11 @@ This is odd. The src/hyper/Makefile explicitly does: which should make it executable. It is executable in my builds. Where does this happen to you? -Tim - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgdx-00016Z-53 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:48:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgdv-00016D-Et - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:48:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgdt-00015S-FI - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:48:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTgdt-00015O-AH - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:48:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgj0-0008Ac-17 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:42 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CEmJbk015871; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:48:19 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C0F7F40A; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:48:20 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFZ3p17469; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:35:03 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:35:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) -Cc: list - -Raymond, > To get a functioning axiom on Fedora 5 as of 4/10/06 @@ -14856,45 +9158,11 @@ a problem so it was not included. I'll look into the issue when I do the FC5 build. I may have to recreate the library as part of the FC5 install process. -Tim - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTghl-00045P-Fe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTghk-00044o-3y - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTghh-00043l-Vr - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTghh-00043a-2c - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:21 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgmn-0000Rz-SD - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:57:38 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CEqBwu009382; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A077F407; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:12 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFcv717473; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:38:57 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:38:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Jay Belanger - on Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:17:41 -0500) Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> - <87ek07pk56.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list > But you need half the screen devoted to a shell, which really > shouldn't be necessary. Why not simply have a command which runs the @@ -14914,43 +9182,11 @@ make command line which it remembers. I don't find 'half a screen' to be a limitation. My head is a very small space and is the primary limitation. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgjC-0004Tb-0Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgjA-0004Sj-3L - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgj8-0004SO-Dd - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTgj8-0004SL-Bl - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgoF-0000b7-65 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:59:07 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CErlIS019401; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:47 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DE17F408; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53:47 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFeVH17477; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:40:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:40:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: Speeding up Aldor domain compilation -Cc: list > Compilation take over 3 minutes. Mostly when compiling the generated lisp code. > @@ -14958,44 +9194,11 @@ Cc: list ummm, coffee break? :-) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgnV-0006Mm-Fi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgnT-0006MI-Pc - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTgnS-0006Lq-FW - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTgnS-0006Ln-8r - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:18 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgsZ-0001Ii-2o - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:03:35 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CEw5RK012264; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:10 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614CC7F406; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CFipZ17491; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:44:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:44:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:05:17 +0200) -Subject: Re: Patch : Remove warning message when comipiling - with aldor - <4438CE4D.9070806@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Patch : Remove warning message when comipiling with aldor > % !! DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE BY HAND !! Created by ht.awk. > @@ -15012,43 +9215,12 @@ However, the divorce is not really a good philosophy and we need to make the whole hypertex documentation into pamphlet files eventually. Kai's work will lead to a better situation in the future. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTh7V-0002PY-08 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTh7R-0002Oa-TV - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:18:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTh7Q-0002OK-Rs - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:18:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTh7Q-0002O8-La - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:18:56 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FThCX-0004Mf-RM - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:24:14 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CFIpLK001238; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:18:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8E77F40B; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:18:51 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CG5YS17502; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:05:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:05:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:29:15 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <4438E1FB.1010101@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > Well Axiom is doing similar things with GCL. Even more, GCL is part of > the Axiom archive. Hmmm... @@ -15151,46 +9323,12 @@ that you're building a C program. ASDF is the lispish equivalent. There is not much use for a 'standard screwdriver' in a project that uses nails. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTh9u-000393-Ke - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:21:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTh9s-00038Z-UK - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:21:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTh9r-00037v-9G - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:21:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTh9r-00037n-5Z - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:21:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FThEy-0004he-CG - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:44 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CFLMuh002772; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:21:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5157F414; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:21:22 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CG85Q17506; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:08:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:08:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Mentre - Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:23 +0200) -Subject: Re: Removing external binaries from Axiom source tree: a proposal - (was: Re: Axiom silver branch) - <87bqva3kho.fsf@linux-france.org> -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Subject: Re: Removing external binaries from Axiom source tree: a proposal (was: Re: Axiom silver branch) +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > > Storing binary files in a source code archive is something that > > I have always objected to, but Tim insists on re-distributing @@ -15219,43 +9357,11 @@ I suggest that you try this using the SVN/silver machinery. It is easy to create a new silver makefile from the Makefile.pamphlet which will no longer depend on the installed GCL and noweb. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThF6-00050Q-QS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThF6-000508-9P - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThF4-0004z7-IF - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FThF4-0004yz-C9 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FThKB-0005YL-H1 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:32:07 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CFQdwL025962; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0567F408; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:41 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CGDPc17510; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:13:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:13:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) - <1144591334.3678.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <4439299C.8010808@plaidheron.com> -Cc: list >> The text entry in the browser window doesn't seem to work > @@ -15265,41 +9371,12 @@ Cc: list This has been added to the FAQ file. It will be available in the next release --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThJx-00016o-HS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:31:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThJw-00014V-2f - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:31:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThJu-00011e-CP - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:31:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FThJt-00011M-Vg - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:31:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FThP1-0006KY-8q - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:37:07 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CFVYgG028487; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:31:39 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0D97F40E; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:31:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CGIJm17524; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:18:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:18:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 09 Apr 2006 20:06:41 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > | The second patch was suggested by Norman Ramsey (author of noweb) > | a couple of years ago. It provides a simple awk script to allow @@ -15325,44 +9402,12 @@ of systems. Whatever solution gets proposed it should 'just work'. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThpE-0005an-CA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThpD-0005Zy-1J - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:04:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThp8-0005WH-Qq - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:04:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FThp7-0005Vm-Mm - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:04:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FThuF-0002MV-4n - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:09:23 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CG3pOE012883; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:03:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166577F405; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:03:53 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CGobp17545; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:50:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:50:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 09 Apr 2006 20:12:43 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <4438E1FB.1010101@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > I'm not proposing this seriously, but thought it worths mentioning: > in the Perl community, the updated can compute the dependencies, and @@ -15422,47 +9467,11 @@ that it is a reasonable idea. But if installing axiom requires installing gcl and installing gcl requires installing/upgrading emacs there is no hope. -The Old Curmudgeon -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThwb-0002Fy-SW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThwa-0002FE-5H - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FThwY-0002ET-CL - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FThwY-0002EJ-41 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:46 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTi1f-0003NX-SF - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:17:04 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CGBYFR017118; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:39 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C417F406; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:11:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CGwKS17566; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:58:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:58:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Jay Belanger - on Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:15:11 -0500) Subject: Re: Developers and Axiom - <200604051653.k35GrC104865@localhost.localdomain> - <87ek07pk56.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <4438D01B.20402@hemmecke.de> - <87irphw5kg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list Jay, @@ -15478,43 +9487,11 @@ You have my ok. If I publish to this list (as opposed to a private email communication) you and anyone else has blanket permission to do with it what you will. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTiAU-0003RF-2k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTiAS-0003PG-Sk - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTiAR-0003Mo-DL - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTiAR-0003MZ-5S - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:07 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTiFZ-0005GH-2y - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:31:25 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CGQ3lT015771; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0010A7F406; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:03 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CHClG17580; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:12:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:12:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Jay Belanger - on Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:51:27 -0500) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <8764lflttc.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list > Calling make will do the following (as near as I can tell): > make noweb @@ -15540,40 +9517,12 @@ Cc: list I'll look into this. It hasn't been an issue in the past but it appears to be unnecessary work. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTiBF-0004KD-AI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTiBE-0004IT-BW - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTiBC-0004Eu-Hl - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTiBC-0004Ei-9x - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:54 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTiGK-0005L2-17 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:32:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3CGQiRi016429 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:44 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - - <200604121650.k3CGobp17545@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Hi Tim, @@ -15597,46 +9546,11 @@ You said that now Axiom (via gcl) depends on Emacs, but I guess you don't want to include emacs into axiom--main--1, do you? (Otherwise axiom does not "just work". ;-) ) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTjdt-00047f-49 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTjdr-00045h-95 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTjdq-00044L-3u - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTjdp-000440-Ro - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:33 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTjiy-0001BL-EE - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:05:52 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CI0OmR032049; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94747F406; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CIl5O17630; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:47:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:47:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:13 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - <200604121346.k3CDk2v17356@localhost.localdomain> - <443CFF05.9030800@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list - -Ralf, > On 04/12/2006 03:46 PM, root wrote: > >> I would like to discuss the organization of branches and procedures. @@ -15662,45 +9576,12 @@ The point is that a 'silver' section of the root Makefile.pamphlet would allow you to completely change the build behavior of the system. So you don't have to build lisp, for instance. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTjkW-0007WW-2m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTjkU-0007W9-Dl - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTjkS-0007Vr-SH - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTjkS-0007Vo-Kh - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTjpb-0001rA-DE - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:12:43 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3CI7GTQ002692; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FB67F413; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:07:15 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3CIrvZ17643; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:53:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:53:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:53 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - - <200604121650.k3CGobp17545@localhost.localdomain> - <443D2A4D.4040705@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, Frederic Lehobey +Cc: Frederic Lehobey > > Axiom as it exists now > > a) depends on very little @@ -15735,42 +9616,12 @@ That way Axiom 'just works'. Curiously the issue first arises on a debian system which is supposed to be really good at the whole dependency handling. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTkdP-0005mP-0y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:04:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTkdN-0005lc-CY - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:04:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTkdL-0005l2-Sx - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:04:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTkdL-0005kz-Ns - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:04:07 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTkiU-0008Ru-Ll - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:09:27 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3CJ3vRi020640 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:03:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:04:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch - - <200604121650.k3CGobp17545@localhost.localdomain> - <443D2A4D.4040705@hemmecke.de> - <200604121853.k3CIrvZ17643@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Frederic Lehobey, list +Cc: Frederic Lehobey >> You said that now Axiom (via gcl) depends on Emacs, but I guess you >> don't want to include emacs into axiom--main--1, do you? (Otherwise @@ -15807,45 +9658,12 @@ arguments Hmmm. the above line looks like a bug in ./configure. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTosW-0005Jl-CV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:36:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTosU-0005J7-2L - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:36:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTosT-0005IR-1p - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:36:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTosS-0005IL-VC - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:36:00 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FToxe-0005Oc-OS - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:41:23 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3CNZvEC025064 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) - for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:35:57 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3CNZvOu025061 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:35:57 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:35:57 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: "'axiom-dev'" - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SWTRyWv/ijrBap1m" +To: list Subject: backups - ---SWTRyWv/ijrBap1m - Is the backup at http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/ and the main mathaction wiki synchronized? i.e. if someone makes a change on the risc.uni-linz.ac.at site, does it get propagated to the main site? If @@ -15854,64 +9672,14 @@ will just cause headaches if people use it. (In fact, it is probably best to keep it offline to prevent google discovering it and leading people to use it) --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---SWTRyWv/ijrBap1m - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPY7djwioWRGe9K0RAiOLAJwPtlG3ASiEsL6UKvEWDNq5/IbirACdE+fr -MPekMj1tqn4Mxuss/YagM5U= -=JSj5 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---SWTRyWv/ijrBap1m-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpNh-0003by-Ed - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpNf-0003bk-GN - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpNd-0003bR-PT - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTpNd-0003bK-LP - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:13 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTpSp-0008Qf-Vy - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:13:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 00A026891B; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:10 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1BB8E68938; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:08 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: backups +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:08:07 -0400 -Thread-Topic: backups -Thread-Index: AcZeieJ3pBzKd6W2RPywU0rOoN65UgAAVsjg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: backups On Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:36 Bob McElrath wrote: ->=20 +> > Is the backup at http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/ and the > main mathaction wiki synchronized? i.e. if someone makes > a change on the axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at site, does it @@ -15959,47 +9727,11 @@ given our current very limited resources it might be prudent to try to concentrate our efforts on less ambitious goals. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpV8-0006Ui-Rn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:15:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpV6-0006Sm-VU - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpV5-0006Ql-BS - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:15:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTpV5-0006Qb-4K - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:15:55 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTpaH-0000fD-FG - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:21:17 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3D0Fr4L025488 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3D0FrMx025485; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: backups - axiom-dev - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="V32M1hWVjliPHW+c" -Cc: axiom-dev - - ---V32M1hWVjliPHW+c Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:36 Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -16044,63 +9776,11 @@ Links to the other site for large downloads would be a good idea though. On the web, who can tell? --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---V32M1hWVjliPHW+c - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPZg5jwioWRGe9K0RAj54AKDS3zhWgGST3CvrywKsocW81FEthQCeLGzd -TG/knKFE95Jhd90ovb/Lur4= -=3lBO ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---V32M1hWVjliPHW+c-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpqe-0000gE-8g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:38:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpqc-0000fc-Re - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:38:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpqa-0000eh-TL - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:38:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTpqa-0000ea-Ko - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:38:08 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTpvn-00035A-85 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:43:31 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3D0c3cL007884; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:38:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2988B7F40B; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:38:04 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3D1Ojg17765; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:24:45 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:24:45 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bob McElrath - on Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:15:53 -0700) Subject: Re: backups - <20060413001553.GE8144@mcelrath.org> -Cc: list We do need a mirror site because all of our information is in one place. This was brought home clearly by a hardware failure which, fortunately, @@ -16126,48 +9806,11 @@ to work with them locally and support their efforts. In the long term I think the association is at least as important as the backup/mirror, if not more so. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpwT-0003CJ-Lh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:44:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpwS-0003Bl-9v - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:44:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTpwQ-0003B3-Ib - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:44:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTpwQ-0003Ay-DR - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:44:10 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTq1c-0003i0-SL - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:49:33 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3D0i79V025717 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:44:07 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3D0i7Ps025714; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:44:07 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:44:07 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: backups - Bill Page, list - <20060413001553.GE8144@mcelrath.org> - <200604130124.k3D1Ojg17765@localhost.localdomain> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CNK/L7dwKXQ4Ub8J" -Cc: list - - ---CNK/L7dwKXQ4Ub8J root [Tim Daly] wrote: > We do need a mirror site because all of our information is in one place. @@ -16184,70 +9827,20 @@ I wasn't arguing against backups ;) I hope that is successful! --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---CNK/L7dwKXQ4Ub8J - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPZ7XjwioWRGe9K0RAvW9AKC8hXcIJggcsmdhlIC5tLJGEdxUNQCdHTL6 -0qjmXnjmyGZo895yqJZ7wXo= -=zEv0 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---CNK/L7dwKXQ4Ub8J-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsHD-00031S-NO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsHC-00030q-By - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsH9-0002zW-Oz - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTsH9-0002zN-DE - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTsMN-0001Ii-IP - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:19:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A5E0868FA8; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:42 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 13BED68FA4; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:41 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:13:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography -Thread-Index: AcZeppp6QMonksGdQ2iKRtBApAP6DgAAEUCA From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography Bob McElrath wrote: ->=20 +> > I was looking at Plone again today for the portal I'm developing, > and was wondering...what the heck do you do with the bibliography? > I see you're using it on mathaction, but is it any better than a > glorified list? Can I \cite{important_paper} to make citations > appear? Much googling couldn't answer this question for me... ->=20 +> Import bibtex citations into a database. Edit citations. Search the database (along with the rest of the contents of the portal). @@ -16260,68 +9853,39 @@ more transparent, extracting citations from the Plone bibliography database and running bibtex all automatically... :) By-golly it's easy to get overly ambitious! - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsJR-00055w-RF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsJQ-00055I-7g - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsJO-000548-K6 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTsJO-000541-3h - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:02 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTsOc-0001mG-9x - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:21:26 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5FA7F68FAA; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:01 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6E6B768F9F; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:15:59 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:15:59 -0400 -Thread-Topic: darcsweb source code repository browser (was: victory!) -Thread-Index: AcZeipgndjeXOr2uQl+bl4rnyY3HJwAGixOw From: Bill Page -To: "Simon Michael" Simon Michael -Cc: axiom-dev -Subject: darcsweb source code repository browser (was: - victory!) +To: Simon Michael +Subject: darcsweb source code repository browser (was: victory!) -Simon,=20 +Simon, On Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:42 PM you wrote: -> Bill Page:=20 +> Bill Page: > > How can you tell which are duplicates? -> > =20 -> You'll see them in darcsweb once it's working, or just in=20 -> darcs changes=20 -> - they have the same title and (which I think is the=20 +> > +> You'll see them in darcsweb once it's working, or just in +> darcs changes +> - they have the same title and (which I think is the > clincher) the same timestamp, I think. > > > still am not able to fully use 'darcsweb'. I have darcsweb-0.15 > > running under python2.4.2 with darcs 1.0.5 installed here -> I'm using the latest darcsweb pulled from=20 +> I'm using the latest darcsweb pulled from > http://users.auriga.wearlab.de/~alb/repos/darcsweb > - not sure what version that is - and python 2.4.2. ->=20 +> Ok, I added an explicit path to darcs: -- #darcspath =3D "/home/me/bin/" -+ darcspath =3D "/usr/local/bin/" +- #darcspath = "/home/me/bin/" ++ darcspath = "/usr/local/bin/" and provided a cache -- #cachedir =3D '/tmp/darcsweb-cache' -+ cachedir =3D '/tmp' +- #cachedir = '/tmp/darcsweb-cache' ++ cachedir = '/tmp' and now darcsweb works on MathAction: @@ -16331,57 +9895,21 @@ I think this is a really cool way to browse the souce code! It's a bit slow with a big repository like axiom--main--1 but the annotations and shading are very nice. E.g. -http://page.axiom-developer.org/darcsweb.cgi?r=3Daxiom--main--1;a=3Dannot= +http://page.axiom-developer.org/darcsweb.cgi?r=axiom--main--1;a=annot= ate -_shade;f=3D/Makefile +_shade;f=/Makefile and the searching is quite impressive, e.g. -http://page.axiom-developer.org/darcsweb.cgi?r=3Daxiom--main--1&a=3Dsearc= +http://page.axiom-developer.org/darcsweb.cgi?r=axiom--main--1&a=searc= h&s -=3Dclifford +=clifford -Regards, -Bill Page - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsP1-00086K-L2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:21:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsOz-000851-4Z - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:21:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsOx-000848-Ag - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:21:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTsOx-000841-38 - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:21:47 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTsUB-0002YN-1u - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:27:11 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3D3Lgm4026896 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:21:42 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3D3LgRO026893; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:21:42 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:21:42 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography - axiom-dev - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT" -Cc: axiom-dev , zwiki@zwiki.org - - ---KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -16418,61 +9946,11 @@ The bibliography is already there (or at least accessable on SPIRES and the arXiv) so all that is needed is for the wiki page to recognize the \cite. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPcPGjwioWRGe9K0RAt+zAKDDcBFJPEe2tXvzO7y5PsKesm+WyQCfQT+P -1ZgWaI3KEDOhj/pbvN+Ze8c= -=1n8j ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---KN5l+BnMqAQyZLvT-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsWo-0002A8-As - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:29:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsWn-00029v-PQ - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:29:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTsWm-00029C-8l - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:29:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTsWm-000296-3p - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:29:52 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.192] (helo=web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTsc0-0003FA-Cn - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:35:16 -0400 -Received: (qmail 99952 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 03:28:20 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=0qePf/wqF3EOQ0MZoufCpSc97JJFJyU4IhIyC/Rm5QdpBTfe29JtaKaGzQaC9S88tNX6Qo8MNOAWMGq/RPeXnhEZx3yJewOz+FzDTl4htMMT1AifG5eO64tsdwDWmcjRUVknGzqrvRI2XPsBEs6mUM8kR503dXM1HG3V+D1ireQ= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:28:20 PDT +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: darcsweb source code repository browser (was: - victory!) To: Bill Page, Simon Michael -Cc: axiom-dev - ---- Bill Page wrote: +Subject: Re: darcsweb source code repository browser (was: victory!) > and now darcsweb works on MathAction: > @@ -16487,46 +9965,11 @@ darcsweb! Thanks for another amazing new feature! -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTshZ-0000ri-O7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:41:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTshX-0000qg-DI - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:40:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTshV-0000pa-Nb - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:40:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTshV-0000pT-Gr - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:40:57 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTsmi-0004Vo-OV - for list; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:46:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 960C769094; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:40:55 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5E0576908B; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:40:53 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography +\start Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:40:53 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography -Thread-Index: AcZeqWoptCSl68dMTDSEmYJGYeQ7fQAAFm/g From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography On Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:22 PM Bob McElrath wrote: > .. @@ -16536,7 +9979,7 @@ On Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:22 PM Bob McElrath wrote: > > more transparent, extracting citations from the Plone > > bibliography database and running bibtex all automatically... > > :) By-golly it's easy to get overly ambitious! ->=20 +> > I don't know if that's overly ambitious, but at least in my > field we have arXiv.org references such as hep-ph/0509024 which > would be easy to parse and make a link to the arXiv, as well as @@ -16548,7 +9991,7 @@ a search key to retrieve and parse the citation info... I think that is ambitious. Are there any web tools for arXiv that make this easier? ->=20 +> > I want to make it as easy as possible for people to add a > \cite{blah}. @@ -16559,7 +10002,7 @@ published document. That is not easy in general. > The bibliography is already there (or at least accessable on > SPIRES and the arXiv) so all that is needed is for the wiki > page to recognize the \cite. ->=20 +> Parsing static data like 'hep-ph/0509024' into a clickable url is easy but extracting and formating citation information is @@ -16585,47 +10028,11 @@ Maybe integrating something like this might be worthwhile... but beware: This a Java/JSP web application - somewhat different world that Zope and Python. ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTtF2-0001Qn-8h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:15:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTtF0-0001Qi-W2 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:15:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTtEy-0001QU-J9 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:15:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTtEy-0001QP-8a - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:15:32 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTtKC-0008Fq-TL - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:20:57 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3D4FUsc027452 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:30 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3D4FUqH027449; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:30 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:30 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography - axiom-dev - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JwB53PgKC5A7+0Ej" -Cc: axiom-dev - - ---JwB53PgKC5A7+0Ej +Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography list Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Do you mean online access to arXiv.org using "hep-ph/0509024" as @@ -16704,61 +10111,11 @@ crashed my browser, again. A few days before that I decided to try (again) the Java interface to Maple. UUUGGGHHHH it's slow. What's that? A fork in my eye? Aaaahhh much better. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---JwB53PgKC5A7+0Ej - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPdBijwioWRGe9K0RAoP4AJ9+XSePgHgTR5bn3xYyH2pa96QIWwCghoV/ -In4XZTxg4vv+YWou08TcTNs= -=+oYo ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---JwB53PgKC5A7+0Ej-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTu3S-0000gK-D1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTu3P-0000eN-DN - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTu3N-0000dl-CF - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTu3N-0000da-0c - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FTu8c-0004kJ-0m - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:13:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D5B1D67408; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:35 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F182E670D4; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:33 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:07:33 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography -Thread-Index: AcZesO6uXoDr0sfgSrCa1lNGovAAJAABkTpg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" , Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography On Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:16 AM Bob McElrath wrote: > ... @@ -16767,7 +10124,7 @@ On Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:16 AM Bob McElrath wrote: > > is easy but extracting and formating citation information is > > rather hard to do in general. That's why we have tools like > > BiBtex and EndNote, etc. ->=20 +> > I want to get the info out of the Plone Bibliography, Maybe \cite{axiombib/1005298} could call e.g. @@ -16777,62 +10134,25 @@ wget http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs/axiombib/1005298/download [page@axiom-developer]# cat download @Inproceedings{1005298, - author =3D {Jacques Carette}, - title =3D {Understanding expression simplification}, - year =3D {2004}, - URL =3D + author = {Jacques Carette}, + title = {Understanding expression simplification}, + year = {2004}, + URL = {http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/\~carette/publications/simplification.pdf}, - abstract =3D {}, - booktitle =3D {Proceedings of the 2004 international symposium on + abstract = {}, + booktitle = {Proceedings of the 2004 international symposium on Symbolic and algebraic computation}, - publisher =3D {ACM Press,}, - pages =3D {72 - 79} + publisher = {ACM Press,}, + pages = {72 - 79} } but you still have to make this bibtex entry look pretty in HTML. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTu7E-0002jH-Cn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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- Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:11:28 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:11:28 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography - axiom-dev - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW" -Cc: axiom-dev - - ---Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW +Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography list Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:16 AM Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -16873,64 +10193,14 @@ entries) If the entry doesn't exist, it can be retreived and inserted as bibtex, and then accessed programatically using the Plone Bibliography. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPd2AjwioWRGe9K0RAm7dAJwL36y1BpqQT5DyukCnGkfNB8jfRACfbf4c -WsIXZWtPh9ajd0oDOEOMs20= -=/gqm ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTuEM-0007fI-Mf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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(The Bibliography can > already render entries) @@ -16938,55 +10208,19 @@ On Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:11 AM Bob McElrath wrote: Indeed. If you are up to the task of calling Archetypes in CMFPlone from a Wiki, then I say go for it! :) -=20 -> If the entry doesn't exist, it can be retreived and inserted=20 + +> If the entry doesn't exist, it can be retreived and inserted > as bibtex, and then accessed programatically using the Plone > Bibliography. ->=20 +> Doing this with one or two clicks would be real nice. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTuTx-00052O-AN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:35:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTuTv-00051h-00 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:35:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FTuTt-00051J-L8 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:35:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FTuTt-00051G-GF - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:35:01 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FTuZ8-0007fc-T3 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:40:27 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3D5YxQ4027902 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:34:59 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3D5Yxq3027899; - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:34:59 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:34:59 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography - axiom-dev - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf" -Cc: axiom-dev - - ---8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf +Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography list Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:11 AM Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -17008,60 +10242,11 @@ Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: I was thinking zero clicks. As in, add \cite{arXiv:hep-ph/0123456} to your wiki page and the rest is automatic from the user's perspective. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPeMDjwioWRGe9K0RArSqAKDJ/u+9G0w1eozdSyjR6BKAR+gP1ACfSE+d -A2qoNOnOUqmyH8Ym0trshUw= -=9wly ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---8TaQrIeukR7mmbKf-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU0YQ-0005aq-0g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:04:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU0YK-0005Wd-DA - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:04:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU0YG-0005Sj-Kv - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:03:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU0YF-0005Sf-8j - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:03:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU0dY-00024N-5R - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:09:24 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3DC3nRi012587 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:03:49 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:04:03 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: root Tim Daly, Bill Page, - list +To: Tim Daly, Bill Page Subject: Re: backups - <20060413004407.GG8144@mcelrath.org> -Cc: >> Besides the backup nature of the site I'm hoping that students at >> RISC will take an interest in Axiom. We would then have the ability @@ -17100,39 +10285,11 @@ offer" to become an unpaid Axiom developer? Sorry, it should read: ... to become a pioneer in the development of a next generation computer algebra and theorem proving system. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU13E-0000Mr-Sx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:35:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU13D-0000LN-F9 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:35:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU13B-0000Jt-UG - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:35:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU13B-0000Jj-Mk - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:35:53 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.196] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU18V-0006R7-Ak - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:23 -0400 -Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so1518651nzf - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:35:52 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=W/wmNw8lrAYyPPErwDnRrffUzWkYok480TIVqOlC3ADtD9IQ0QUOWhsr0rp6Vvs7xg9Eazqw48nE64AxM4vBmTvAg9Y1iGXBVSXHxxjhtRfAHjv+ljygGD/YsFm1Kf7ek+NQEG9x7ODActs75JHdUqdIaKApNWnnODuEa1BnUIs= -Received: by 10.36.126.3 with SMTP id y3mr215250nzc; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:35:52 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:35:52 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) -Cc: list Hello, @@ -17158,49 +10315,11 @@ is focusing developments of other aspects (graphics mode) rather than fixing those issues. The development API is not very well documented neither. -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU3xR-0005sa-2t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU3xO-0005oF-UD - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU3xO-0005o2-7G - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU3xO-0005nz-3b - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:06 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU42j-0002LO-9f - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:47:37 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3DFfwPE032731 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:58 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3DFfwDd032728; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:58 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:41:58 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: David MENTRE David Mentre -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - Ralf Hemmecke, list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c7hkjup166d4FzgN" - clamav-milter version 0.87 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list - - ---c7hkjup166d4FzgN +To: David Mentre +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) David MENTRE [David Mentre] wrote: > > Although I am not yet a big fan of Texmacs, because it is yet another @@ -17218,76 +10337,25 @@ I started. I really think that's the way to go. What happened to Kai's branch? Can I still try it? --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---c7hkjup166d4FzgN - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPnFGjwioWRGe9K0RArTZAKCI78PynulWgTqgVkNYvkJZFRUtXACgjNeL -xsB4hFZ2hxIIsIxLMYhIHbc= -=K3+g ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---c7hkjup166d4FzgN-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4HX-0008Un-P2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4HU-0008SH-HV - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4HR-0008Pj-Ky - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU4HQ-0008PG-D9 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4Ml-0004MT-Qh - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0FE08679BB; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:47 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 66699679E2; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:40 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:02:39 -0400 -Thread-Topic: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) -Thread-Index: AcZfEN5bRykGMIrtTjelgQ2s/B4m6wAAgVCw From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: User interface, +Cc: David Mentre On Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:42 AM Bob McElrath wrote: -> ...=20 -> I wish I had enough time to further develop the mozilla/axiom=20 +> ... +> I wish I had enough time to further develop the mozilla/axiom > interface I started. I really think that's the way to go. At one point Bob, you also had a nice demo of Axiom inside a TiddlyWiki. I thought that was a really nice idea for personal use. ->=20 +> > What happened to Kai's branch? Can I still try it? ->=20 +> 'tla abrowse' shows that @@ -17305,40 +10373,11 @@ You can also browse the source online here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--GUI--1/FrontPage -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4UI-00080s-Sj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:16:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4UG-00080D-SX - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:16:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4UF-0007zG-2F - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:16:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU4UE-0007zB-Uh - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:16:02 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4Za-0005k4-Hl - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:21:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3DGFsRi019551 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:15:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:16:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: David MENTRE David Mentre -Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] - backups) -Cc: list +To: David Mentre +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) On 04/13/2006 02:35 PM, David MENTRE wrote: > 2006/4/13, Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -17405,92 +10444,24 @@ You could say, that AxiomWiki is something like a worksheet format, but it is a bit inconvenient to work with, if you always have to press the edit button. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4iD-0007am-B8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4iB-0007Zq-Nx - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4i9-0007Xw-Qr - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU4i9-0007Xt-Je - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4nV-00073I-IG - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:35:57 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3DGUCbr020863; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:17 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8427F40A; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:13 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3DHGvZ18397; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:16:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:16:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:16:12 +0200) -Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] - backups) - <443E794C.7030805@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, David Mentre +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) +Cc: David Mentre > Do not forget that somebody is working on a web interface (with Tim?). Yes, I have been working on an AJAX version of the browser pages. It's basically a hand rewrite using latex, javascript, etc. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4iM-0007hb-JL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4iK-0007ff-FO - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4iI-0007dF-9D - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU4iI-0007dB-3N - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:30:34 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4nd-00073m-R8 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:36:06 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3DGUVss001643 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:30:31 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3DGUUhe001640; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:30:30 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:30:30 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - list, David MENTRE David Mentre - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SCOJXUq1iwCn05li" - clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre - - ---SCOJXUq1iwCn05li +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) +Cc: David Mentre Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:42 AM Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -17528,68 +10499,11 @@ I'm one of those annoying people with more ideas than time... Is development continuing on this? --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---SCOJXUq1iwCn05li - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPnymjwioWRGe9K0RAu3LAKCP/eG1G+JGaw3yDrzLgEUJYRsm+wCeK3dL -MR7R5AbXaSTzoDJM0ML4Yj0= -=sh56 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---SCOJXUq1iwCn05li-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4mL-0000pu-BJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:34:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4mK-0000pT-3Q - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:34:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU4mH-0000o4-9L - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:34:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU4mH-0000nw-5S - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:34:41 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4rc-0007Kg-UV - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:40:13 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3DGYdu3001711 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:34:39 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3DGYdOe001708; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:34:39 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:34:39 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Bill Page, axiom-dev -Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography - axiom-dev - <20060413053459.GF22807@mcelrath.org> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/jkxxxtAhYIHVDuh" - clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: - - ---/jkxxxtAhYIHVDuh +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [GeneralDiscussion] Plone Bibliography list Bob McElrath wrote: > > > If the entry doesn't exist, it can be retreived and inserted @@ -17608,57 +10522,10 @@ as the wiki! I guess it's only about 5 GB. Not so useful for math, but I'll try to keep an eye out for how to expand this beyond physics. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---/jkxxxtAhYIHVDuh - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPn2fjwioWRGe9K0RAowEAJ4tPNA2pI+hMRdfEP7gW6HGlf3E9ACg+fSq -Pqv2oT7wwnP/rHIC4DsWP6Q= -=nAos ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---/jkxxxtAhYIHVDuh-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU6RK-0008Eo-V5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:21:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU6RI-0008EM-QS - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:21:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU6RF-0008Dt-Uv - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:21:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU6RF-0008DP-N0 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:21:05 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.195] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU6Wc-00010t-PN - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:26:38 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so1240454wxc - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=EjVu93SAf7wCEJGKLfbtJhDehAA2hxGhVzOX8FHOjZSKBV9wDGMbZ8U5E0wkSyn5BgEjTGB9yLl2+wswaecypSyNhQdn40M6jf5KtfSmn489lqx1fcFRYpa+CtuPoWeiGesLemMqpk4HrWqPLJqEeYIdlV+vNMJlFYzQ+aTjyD8= -Received: by 10.70.18.13 with SMTP id 13mr942863wxr; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:21:04 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Problem with defining Zero Hello, @@ -17675,41 +10542,11 @@ But I am getting : Here a small exemple in the SandBox http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SanBoxZero -Any ideas ? - -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7ge-0001BT-LV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7gc-00019J-Py - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7ga-00017J-Ts - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU7ga-00017B-M9 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:00 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7lx-00089m-Vq - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:46:34 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3DJetRi026394 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:41:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Problem with defining Zero -Cc: axiom-developer Hello Antoine. @@ -17769,43 +10606,11 @@ But works. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7gn-0001Er-Rb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7gl-0001EO-Sa - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7gl-0001E0-0m - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU7gk-0001Dx-Qz - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:41:10 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.198] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7m8-0008Ae-7Y - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:46:44 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so1251206wxc - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=QTXe2G1XRPsYlUoYMuFiT6v8AXBZmBPLlsh9YzeGxk1+dyF6/I6eF0cmdVq+A4lHNQo6wk9Wt0AqwE+ltzpViXrR6Q9ceNh4rIJziR+w2dCfNsOfKuN5aE64VqyHwgnb1Ew4qrpJsfd4/y43Jz6VVWR5hHYxWpubXkXB0r/0b9I= -Received: by 10.70.8.11 with SMTP id 11mr1057634wxh; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:41:09 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - boundary="----=_Part_16688_31823381.1144957269581" - <20060413163030.GK22807@mcelrath.org> - -------=_Part_16688_31823381.1144957269581 +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) Hello, @@ -17892,20 +10697,20 @@ work flown( edit, compile, test)
   - An know script langange(=
+ Axiom specific
   - Ease the write of pamphlet( writing = literate programs is a lot of added work, that does not benefit the writer = that much, so we should make it easy as possible

The candidates :+ Web based, Browser based : for Mozilla=20 -http://www.xulplanet.com/ maybe u= +>+ Web based, Browser based : for Mozilla +http://www.xulplanet.com/ maybe u= sing MathML.
Personally I have mixed fealling,  it is very hip and = I will like for the tools to mature( think about Java UI for exemple Map...= )

+ TeXmacs, the screenshot does looks good.

+ My big favorite ima= -xima :
http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/imaxima/Site/Welcome.html

Why :
Emacs work everywhere, with extensive menu an icon it is not that = scary.

We should be able to manage pamphlet in a elegant way. And th= ink about everything that is already included, source code management, non = various charset ....

And very powerful and well documented language elisp !!!!

+ = -Start from scratch ( using http:/= +Start from scratch ( using http:/= /mcclim.cliki.net/index )

Other issue( I am sure it has been dis= cussed before) :
  - Improved documentation browser aware of pamphlet
  - I= @@ -17915,58 +10720,28 @@ br>
Regards,

Antoine Hersen

PS : About debugging it is mostly a l= anguage tools issue,
-------=_Part_16688_31823381.1144957269581-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7lV-0003xF-8K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:46:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7lT-0003vv-M4 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:46:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7lQ-0003tD-1Y - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:46:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU7lP-0003tA-SZ - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:45:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7qn-0000Tl-DW - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:33 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 72CBE6A41F; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4DFAD6A3E6; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:45:55 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Problem with defining Zero +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:45:54 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Problem with defining Zero -Thread-Index: AcZfJxGTN6UbsWbTSQ2pdbWiX8BgHAAC2ipg From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: Problem with defining Zero On Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:21 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: ->=20 +> > I am trying to defined a zero in a domain compiled with Aldor. ->=20 +> > But I am getting : ->=20 +> > 0$NTBA(x,FRAC INT) > Internal Error > The function Zero with signature hashcode is missing from domain > UNPRINTABLE ->=20 +> > Here a small exemple in the SandBox > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SanBoxZero ->=20 +> > Any ideas ? ->=20 +> You should write '0' in Aldor instead of 'Zero'. See @@ -17974,39 +10749,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxZero Click 'diff' to see what I changed. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7rQ-00084D-CU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:52:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7rO-000821-2h - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:52:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7rM-0007zZ-9t - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:52:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU7rM-0007zL-1n - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:52:08 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7wj-00014c-3h - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:57:41 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3DJq2Ri026946 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:52:03 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:52:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Problem with defining Zero -Cc: axiom-developer And here an addon to my last mail that explains why I think Axiom should not show @@ -18049,38 +10796,10 @@ woodpecker:~/scratch>aldor -grun -laldor ntba.as 0() = [0] #endif - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7tb-0001Wv-9b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7tX-0001Tu-IJ - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU7tW-0001Rv-1y - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU7tV-0001Rk-Py - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7yt-0001KX-9w - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:59:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id ADEC06A720; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:20 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C74AB6A6F6; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:18 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:17 -0400 -Thread-Topic: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcZfMksuW/O94AI1S2m0vGTax72WmwAARrDQ From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen Subject: RE: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom On Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:41 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -18100,43 +10819,11 @@ Yes, I think such a tool for Axiom would be great! 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU85w-0000Xd-L2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:07:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU85v-0000WF-8E - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:07:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU85t-0000UE-FO - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:07:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU85t-0000U3-6n - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:07:09 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU8BG-0002ZX-Qo - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:12:43 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9685340B2A; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:08:58 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.5]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CCA57A54; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:08:58 -0500 (CDT) +\start +Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:07:07 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Bill Page Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:07:07 -0500 - (Bill Page's message of "Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:54:17 -0400") -Cc: axiom-developer - Bill Page writes: ... @@ -18224,48 +10876,11 @@ I know that someone is working on Emacs-Axiom interaction, but I wouldn't mind working on some sort of IAxiom that could later be absorbed. -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU8Yu-0001pN-PO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:37:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU8Yt-0001ol-1n - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:37:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU8Ys-0001oR-1L - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:37:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU8Yr-0001oG-Qe - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:37:05 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU8eF-0006Ok-OM - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:42:40 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3DKb2dA004530 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:37:02 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3DKb2Hx004527; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:37:02 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:37:02 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom - Antoine Hersen, - axiom-developer - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k" - clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: axiom-developer - - ---7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:41 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -18294,62 +10909,11 @@ Getting images out of tex is a hack and always has been. 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- Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:47:15 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.29.14 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:47:15 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:47:15 +0200 -From: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - <20060413163030.GK22807@mcelrath.org> - -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Pierre Doucy +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) Antoine, I very much agree with you... until you start saying that Emacs might do the trick ;-) @@ -18436,58 +11000,12 @@ sy > > Some of this issue are problems common to all open source CAS, common > solution will have more hands working on it. -> -> Regards, -> -> Antoine Hersen -> -> PS : About debugging it is mostly a language tools issue, -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function. - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU8mN-0002WB-GD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU8sQ-0007DS-Qu - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU8sO-0007CT-UX - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU8sO-0007CM-Rn - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU8xl-0000vF-SW - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:02:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7FB456A0E0; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9D4C56A056; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:12 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:57:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcZfOg2ZwQuUs9oYS8W+ucjk9IlmJQAAG4eQ From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom On Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:37 PM Bob McElrath wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I worry a lot this group is bifurcating more than it is > collaborating. ->=20 -> We have N code repositories using 4 different version control=20 +> +> We have N code repositories using 4 different version control > softwares, 4 GUI's, 4 programming languages, 2 websites, etc. > @@ -18567,7 +11055,7 @@ compared to commercial products in just five years time. But sooner or later free thinking open source developers will "think with their feet" and re-focus efforts on those things that seem most likely to advance. -=20 + > Getting images out of tex is a hack and always has been. Well, you are the author of one of the best efforts I know @@ -18581,7 +11069,7 @@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX > We can either push on better tools to make them better > (e.g. MathML), or keep incrementing the number of hacks > we have collecting dust. ->=20 +> Well the MathAction website is not "collecting dust" and it depends on LaTeX and your code. Other similar systems like @@ -18601,42 +11089,11 @@ I liked an idea you mentioned a few months ago about MathML support in jsMath. That way LaTeX or MathML is a choice you can make in javascript at your browser. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU91Z-0003E3-Dg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:06:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU91X-0003Cz-Gp - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:06:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU91V-0003C0-Mp - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:06:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU91V-0003Bi-AR - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:06:41 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.92.173] (helo=uproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU96t-0001o8-GK - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:12:15 -0400 -Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s2so1083477uge - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:06:40 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=L3U5OHW2MjBMbDYqP6AXM0Lmt6KimoQN2GhxzRhp1RxPhPS/gw4iPwa27x0ftJ2gzEZBUS1zeW6VkmjiMNk4hc5yLhgKjTTsybUf+ST8+Cxc8bm4TOnn0yeSKevUD8/CMzBwQ4GnddqRzx8fMwJf4tXtGXxE5Ab+vYNtnvUk3qY= -Received: by 10.78.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr40171huf; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:06:39 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.29.14 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:06:39 +0200 -From: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy +From: Pierre Doucy To: Jay Belanger Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom - <20060413203702.GB3643@mcelrath.org> - <87r741i4i5.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: axiom-developer Even if diversity is a good thing, Bob has a point. That's very good news if people want to hack stuff around Axiom, but @@ -18674,58 +11131,15 @@ ugh > IMaxima analogue would fall under the "make better tools better" > umbrella rather than the "hacks collecting dust", particularly since > IMaxima itself has been very well received. -> -> Jay -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - --- -Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function. - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU92z-0003oF-E7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU92x-0003ll-UD - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU92u-0003lC-TA - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU92u-0003l6-QJ - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU98J-0001wt-36 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:13:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CAFA669E5D; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:05 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 41F8B69ED2; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:02 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:08:01 -0400 -Thread-Topic: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) -Thread-Index: AcZfO3wNoB0yvr/zT3yW0EIG9mYJJQAAd+BA From: Bill Page -To: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Pierre Doucy +Subject: RE: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) On Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:47 PM Pierre Doucy wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I would rather use eclipse which, from a certain point of > view, is "emacs 30 years later" : the "interface for > everything and nothing in particular" approach, plus a @@ -18735,7 +11149,7 @@ On Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:47 PM Pierre Doucy wrote: > scratch. Plus, it may be possible to write an abstract > algebra environment that can be specialized for many > algebra systems. ->=20 +> I would very much like to know more about the possibility of using eclipse for this purpose. But nearly everything @@ -18751,46 +11165,14 @@ suggest a place to get more information about eclipse? Where and how to download it? How to use it for somethig approximating emacs? In general a good source of information? -Thanks. - -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9D1-0002p2-Pc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9D0-0002ol-Nk - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9Cy-0002oM-Sn - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU9Cy-0002oJ-Ne - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:32 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU9IM-0003LZ-Hj - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:24:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C90B06A302; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E37A66A2BD; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:27 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:18:26 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcZfPi8ptz3cGfNoRmecmgzPCGMeswAAM5vw From: Bill Page -To: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Pierre Doucy +Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom On Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:07 PM Pierre Doucy wrote: ->=20 +> > Even if diversity is a good thing, Bob has a point. > That's very good news if people want to hack stuff around > Axiom, but it there is not a clear line, like an official @@ -18798,13 +11180,13 @@ On Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:07 PM Pierre Doucy wrote: > Well, this is the developer email list ... :) -=20 + > I must admit that Axiom's offering is confusing. I don't > think newcomers (and people in general) like to have the > choice. The first time I came across axiom, I wanted a quick > way to give it a try, not having to make endless decisions > without really knowing which is best. ->=20 +> A lot of people are apparently learning about Axiom and giving it a try for the first time at: @@ -18820,49 +11202,11 @@ hyperdoc tools and graphics if possible (not yet possible for Windows users). I don't think new users really need to spend much time worrying about which is best. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9L8-0000Nn-3C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9L6-0000Mn-6g - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9L4-0000LK-66 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU9L3-0000LA-Ub - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FU9QS-0004MZ-Go - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:32:28 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3DLQpTH005071 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:26:51 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3DLQp79005068; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:26:51 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:26:50 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom - Pierre Doucy, - axiom-developer - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg" - clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: axiom-developer - - ---TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:07 PM Pierre Doucy wrote: @@ -18888,66 +11232,11 @@ be about what is presented on the website to outside non-developers) A similar argument can be made for the GUI. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPsIajwioWRGe9K0RAjEHAKDGDpQtoiMLaQnqTwkSJrEVXM8ZVwCgv4TJ -caoWGAiS95dn/vAt3GClZGQ= -=MaDw ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9YM-00066q-UA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:40:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9YL-00065f-45 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:40:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9YK-00065C-Df - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU9YK-000650-6G - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.194] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU9di-0005we-Ph - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:46:11 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so1265017wxc - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=NhqJLku7BKvXP51ZcwGd7ZibA4J2uQvT6SXeKKla73glnhix8g4nDRVriDeYQsfr+09UGYeWGOn56hZBN2beyyjrGRwwP0pre/El1n3dKisUZwW5W2dGshDQAJBrgFGBDYLbaQcLi4DQl2WL0W63QNfnYxRGfWdQNtPlon6ibmc= -Received: by 10.70.8.11 with SMTP id 11mr1197445wxh; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:40:35 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - boundary="----=_Part_17808_20920092.1144964435065" - <20060413163030.GK22807@mcelrath.org> - - -Cc: axiom-developer - -------=_Part_17808_20920092.1144964435065 +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Pierre Doucy +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) Hello Pierre @@ -19074,158 +11363,12 @@ s > > > > Some of this issue are problems common to all open source CAS, common > > solution will have more hands working on it. -> > -> > Regards, -> > -> > Antoine Hersen -> > -> > PS : About debugging it is mostly a language tools issue, -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> > -> > -> > -> -> -> -- -> Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a -> function. -> - -------=_Part_17808_20920092.1144964435065 - -Hello Pierre

Antoine, I very much agree with = -you... until you start saying that -
Emacs might do the trick ;-)

I am using emacs day = -and night lately , I might be biased ..

-Emacs is indeed very portable, very powerful, but also extremely scary
a= -t first sight, in particular if you're not used to coding. Although
it i= -s not impossible to master it, it requires a lot of implication
from the= - end user, which is not a good thing. -

Not true ...
http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060302.html
 I think if we use CUA( cut and paste like windows)
Hide everything s= -cary, create menu and toolbox. Therefore dumbing down emacs, write clear in= -stall direction maybe it will be manageable for "normal" people ? -


I wou= -ld rather use eclipse which, from a certain point of view, is
"emac= -s 30 years later" : the "interface for everything and nothing in -
particular" approach, plus a certain degree of "cleanliness&q= -uot;.
It may not be the sexiest of environments, but one can easily buil= -d a
very powerful user interface without coding the whole thing from -
scratch.

That is an excellent possibility I overl= -ook.
It is a strong choice, I dont think emacs will dye anytime soon but= - Eclispe has surely a larger user base, strong corporate support and a mode= -rn look and feel. -

Some issue :

Interactive ability ?
we should look to Pyt= -hon and co plug-in to see what they do.

Displaying math ? Is there s= -ome work done there ?
I guess using latex back-end to generate png might= - be an option. -

Managing noweb and latex, how much work will it be ?

Do yo w= -ant to investigate Pierre ?

In general how many people able to work = -on the project have good java skill ?
How many for elisp ?
I am sure = -we will be able to get other CAS interested to such a project. -

I know by experience that Pierre is quite skilled in Java :)
Regards,

Antoine Hersen


-On 4/13/06, Antoine Hersen <= -Antoine Hersen> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My e= -xperience is making a good UI is a lot of works( aka way more than you
-> imagine), especially if you go out the basic widget. ( I had a 30 line= - long
> rent there ).
>
> Before choosing a solution we s= -hould set goals and there relative
> importance. My try :
> -
> + Attracting new user :
>     - sexy loo= -k
>    - toolbox
>    -= - template
>
>  + Productive Environment :
>&nbs= -p;    - easy to write pages long code :
>  &= -nbsp;       - pretty print -
>          - inden= -tation
>          -= - source code management
>     - Good integration = -with the debugger
>    - A easy work flown( edit,= - compile, test)
>    - An know script langange( s= -cheme, python) -
>
> + Axiom specific
>    - Ease the= - write of pamphlet( writing literate programs is a lot of added
> wor= -k, that does not benefit the writer that much, so we should make it easy> as possible -
>
> The candidates :
> + Web based, Browser based : for = -Mozilla http://www.xulplanet.com/= - maybe
> using MathML.
> Personally I have mixed fealling, = -; it is very hip and I will like for the -
> tools to mature( think about Java UI for exemple Map... )
><= -br>> + TeXmacs, the screenshot does looks good.
>
> + My big= - favorite imaxima :
> -http://members3.jcom.home.ne.jp/imaxima/Site/Welcome.html
>
&g= -t;  Why :
> Emacs work everywhere, with extensive menu an i= -con it is not that scary.
>
> We should be able to manage pamph= -let in a elegant way. And think about -
> everything that is already included, source code management, non v= -arious
> charset ....
>
> And very powerful and well docu= -mented language elisp !!!!
>
> + Start from scratch ( using=20 -http://mcclim.cliki.net/index= - )
>
> Other issue( I am sure it has been discussed before) :>   - Improved documentation browser aware of pamphlet
&g= -t;   - Improved plot 2D, 3D viewer. -
>
> Some of this issue are problems common to all open source = -CAS, common
> solution will have more hands working on it.
>>  Regards,
>
> Antoine Hersen
>
> PS= - : About debugging it is mostly a language tools issue, -
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ax= -iom-developer mailing list
> list
> -http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
>
>= -;
>


--
Cats are intended to teach us that not everythin= -g in nature has a function.

- -------=_Part_17808_20920092.1144964435065-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9kh-0007ta-Tq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9kg-0007tN-EP - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FU9ke-0007tB-2S - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU9kd-0007t8-S9 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:19 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU9q2-000810-Qz - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:58:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0F5FC6A469; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:19 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6F1856A424; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:17 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) + +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:53:16 -0400 -Thread-Topic: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) -Thread-Index: AcZfQ1bM428dIl9RTxeSgAmihFTPOAAAHuOw From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) On Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:41 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -19234,51 +11377,21 @@ On Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:41 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: > http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060302.html I love it! :) Thanks. - =20 + > I think if we use CUA( cut and paste like windows) Hide > everything scary, create menu and toolbox. Therefore > dumbing down emacs, write clear install direction maybe -> it will be manageable for "normal" people ?=20 +> it will be manageable for "normal" people ? Although the only thing I can think of when I set down at a unix console is 'vi', even I could be persuaded to live with the 'xemacs' gui. ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUA0C-0000I8-6f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUA09-0000Hl-Rp - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUA08-0000HF-Bj - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUA08-0000HC-6d - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:20 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.92.170] (helo=uproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUA5X-0001IV-B8 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:14:55 -0400 -Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s2so1089834uge - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=WNtxKMekxyyQv5+/ZNPVgphkRF5CIgWpCnqo2IRdcpFsUFbRoMOaiuVmEvJLyZzlqTrg95jyf2x5xyTK3VJ7F48VA4AKMMeKnkLjmazehhmsWsahGftIjoAS3LEvY2Bl5gueqJFSINk76DjbVQteMboikHgWqN1gY+cFXluA0P8= -Received: by 10.78.42.7 with SMTP id p7mr42350hup; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.29.14 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:09:19 +0200 -From: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy +From: Pierre Doucy To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) > > I would very much like to know more about the possibility @@ -19302,7 +11415,7 @@ have to admit that they did a very good job. > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecplug/?Open&ca= -=3Ddaw-ec-dr +=daw-ec-dr is a good start for writing eclipse plugins. This one is also great : @@ -19326,106 +11439,26 @@ As is, you really won't do much except edit java code, but you can add tons of plug-ins to do everything from UML modeling to regexp debugging, etc... -Hope that helps - -Regards, - -Pierre - - -> Thanks. -> -> Bill Page. -> - - --- -Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function. - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUAGL-0003Gm-Jl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:26:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUAGI-0003DH-Ha - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:26:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUAGD-00039I-D2 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUAGC-00038r-OZ - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUALc-00043e-3o - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:31:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CD3706A681; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:55 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca - (corporateex02.corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 474FB6A67C; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:53 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Eclipse (was: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom) -Thread-Index: AcZfRwV2OGQV2WVwST+A4kqdDe2IGgAAesHg From: Bill Page -To: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Pierre Doucy Subject: Eclipse (was: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom) On Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:09 PM Pierre Doucy wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > To download it, click the huge "Eclipse SDK 3.1.2" link here : > http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ > Un{zip|tar} it, launch the executable, and you're on ! -> ...=20 +> ... > Hope that helps ->=20 - -Perfect. Thanks! :) - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - +> \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUAGN-0003Hn-EV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:26:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUAGK-0003Fa-AS - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:26:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUAGH-0003Bv-Jw - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:26:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUAGF-0003Bk-KJ - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:25:59 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.92.171] (helo=uproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUALe-000448-Q9 - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:31:35 -0400 -Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s2so1091433uge - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:25:58 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=P2Y/49BYO/nPHLiqJ43QWzP9ggWq7crvFZ0SwefigCoQdJR4Nr2GwrfSI1DtA+BhgphaEJEiXELKPvy9DCFQsm/K0RoM9Qx2PgEn08fFBMDHbQtlgjlgqza3png19wNYpYdojQzCKwLM5lX67QBDk7AGiqwKrmJWt9RprVn1Y3g= -Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr42965hua; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:25:58 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.29.14 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:25:58 +0200 -From: "Pierre Doucy" Pierre Doucy -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - <20060413163030.GK22807@mcelrath.org> - - - -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Pierre Doucy +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) On 4/13/06, Antoine Hersen wrote: > Hello Pierre @@ -19596,78 +11629,13 @@ ous > > > Some of this issue are problems common to all open source CAS, common > > > solution will have more hands working on it. > > > -> > > Regards, -> > > -> > > Antoine Hersen -> > > > > > PS : About debugging it is mostly a language tools issue, -> > > -> > > _______________________________________________ -> > > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > > list -> > > -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > -> > -> > -- -> > Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a -> function. -> > -> -> - --- -Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function. - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUByn-0005o6-Om - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:16:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUBym-0005mX-Go - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:16:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUByk-0005kA-JL - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:16:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUByk-0005k2-FL - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:16:02 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUC4A-0003GF-QY - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:21:39 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3E0FwFE006517 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:15:58 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3E0Fwgo006514; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:15:58 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:15:58 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Pierre Doucy -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - Antoine Hersen, - axiom-developer - <20060413163030.GK22807@mcelrath.org> - - - - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="K8nIJk4ghYZn606h" -Cc: axiom-developer - - ---K8nIJk4ghYZn606h +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) Pierre Doucy [Pierre Doucy] wrote: > > Displaying math ? Is there some work done there ? @@ -19719,62 +11687,12 @@ That, and your HotEqn stuff doesn't work either. I've reinstalled java 1000 times and occasionally I can get something to work. But, I have better things to do with my time. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---K8nIJk4ghYZn606h - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEPum+jwioWRGe9K0RAvF7AKD2neNsLTfUvcs/lKJs7H+XBmrfRQCfbvVp -sMW67Hpbrjduw4b6QKZSjCA= -=64U+ ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---K8nIJk4ghYZn606h-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUErH-0003eW-BB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:20:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUErG-0003dK-9M - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:20:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUErE-0003c3-Nv - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:20:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUErE-0003bs-KW - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:20:28 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.202] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUEwg-0001fY-Sh - for list; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:26:07 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so1293200wxc - for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:20:27 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=saMK/nOcJ2To3wSW3GwaaMQYJQzRFWkBsJOQrQBFhYFDwsiW0VJ+Dm6UorvZpnDo/VrjnSKmXnXTNyRPHArc3ELOKNVeAfZsIsb8Be/rCrBopv+It4b8UB9e1rkvAfOjKwgbI35ckm3pQNvuQlbGaFFxcvq9juKfs6fXODCQ06s= -Received: by 10.70.14.2 with SMTP id 2mr996739wxn; - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:20:27 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:20:27 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:20:27 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer - boundary="----=_Part_20118_24314546.1144984827919" +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: User Profiles -------=_Part_20118_24314546.1144984827919 - Hello, In the on going discussion about the UI I think we need to know what @@ -19802,61 +11720,11 @@ Antoine Hersen I got A in Marketing 10 :) -------=_Part_20118_24314546.1144984827919 - -Hello,

In the on going discussion about the UI I think we need to kn= -ow what problems we are trying to solve and especially for whom.

It = -will be interesting to create some user profiles, they will have a name and= - cool and positive biography. -
They are not complete or exhaustive just representative at best.
All= - are possible CAS user but maybe not prime target for Axiom, should they be= - or not ? Such profiles will help us discuss those questions.

Why is= - it interesting to have such profile. It help to put names on category of u= -ser find way to attract more people to the project. -

I have started a page http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/UserProfiles that is just a= -n example I am half clueless about it.
So please please go modify it, ch= -ange names, add persona, expend, cut, correct, comments. -

We could also imagine creating a web survey for current and possibl= -e user ?

Regards,
Antoine Hersen

I got A in Marketing 10 := -)
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I forget whether it came in the distribution or I yum(med) it in. I think the later. -Ray - - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) -Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org - -iD8DBQFEPyQALJ8uiVOcj4IRAhNXAJ95VfA3tNvCWbMrMzAlNgttwR2QLACfafPj -lnr0aIMdQFSGFyLSjitFhrI= -=XREf ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUJHz-0007t5-0p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:04:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUJHw-0007pW-6v - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:04:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUJHu-0007oN-Gd - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:04:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUJHu-0007o6-5Z - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:04:18 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUJNO-0001F6-QE - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:09:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3E84BRi012208 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:04:11 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:04:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -Cc: axiom-developer On 04/13/2006 10:01 PM, C Y wrote: > --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -19954,42 +11785,11 @@ And another remark... Many of us are (X)Emacs users, but you cannot expect from an ordinary Axiom User to know all the Emacs stuff. So we should not force users to learn Emacs if they just want to use Axiom. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUJns-0003tc-AP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:37:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUJnp-0003pi-KO - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:37:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUJnm-0003lj-NR - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:37:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUJnm-0003la-GX - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:37:14 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.201] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUJtH-00042s-Og - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:42:55 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so49005nzf - for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=eVAnZ7dnSh1StaSAVX4+q/NnTO+e09jv//6ZcPTT1MPhdUDbTvDX0sXTgC0fYl4GJOhWJJzjgfTQOcbkg8Bjurenp1oBVyKUm2QACiEDxpjXR/xu9yHBq0pcdwEu8v9X+VaEyEWYeCGr24Z3HhioDqtfvj29ahClyF9NxQ8o8Zs= -Received: by 10.36.37.11 with SMTP id k11mr1923582nzk; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:37:13 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) - <20060413163030.GK22807@mcelrath.org> - -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) Hello Antoine, @@ -20019,39 +11819,11 @@ External code will never match exactly what we need, so we must choose, on each specific case, whether we reuse an existing solution or re-invent one that suites better our needs. -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKIX-00050T-4c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:09:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKIU-0004yr-FJ - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:08:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKIR-0004xy-MH - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:08:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUKIR-0004xu-GV - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:08:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUKNw-0000ZG-Ox - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:14:37 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3E98nRi013626 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:08:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:09:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: list Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -Cc: On Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:37 PM Bob McElrath wrote: > I worry a lot this group is bifurcating more than it is @@ -20075,37 +11847,10 @@ Every branch MUST have a responsible maintainer. If there is none than this branch is dead and should be removed so that no newcomer is intimitated by this amount of branches. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKKk-0005mJ-Oy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:11:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKKj-0005lj-SX - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:11:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKKi-0005lT-Rs - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:11:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUKKi-0005lD-L6 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:11:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUKQE-0000qN-0y - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:16:58 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3E9BERi013733 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:11:14 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:11:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Glossary In order to start bringing AxiomWiki more into the shape of a book, I @@ -20121,39 +11866,11 @@ Could someone tell me why doesn't show in boldface? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKOc-0008Gn-FC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:15:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKOa-0008FZ-To - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:15:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKOa-0008EP-Fa - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:15:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUKOa-0008EC-44 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:15:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUKU5-0001GO-Kq - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:20:57 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3E9FBRi013839 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:15:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:15:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Pierre Doucy Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom - -Cc: axiom-developer On 04/13/2006 11:06 PM, Pierre Doucy wrote: > Even if diversity is a good thing, Bob has a point. @@ -20177,39 +11894,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers but that is surely not the right place for it. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKiR-0001kZ-0l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:35:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKiP-0001kH-OS - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:35:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUKiO-0001js-7V - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:35:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUKiO-0001jp-4R - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:35:44 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUKns-0003gY-Px - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:41:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3E9ZYRi014290 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:35:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:35:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] - backups) -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) On 04/13/2006 11:53 PM, Page, Bill wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:41 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -20222,38 +11911,11 @@ On 04/13/2006 11:53 PM, Page, Bill wrote: I like that, too! ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUPtf-0003Xr-Gn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:07:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUPtd-0003VV-Ik - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:07:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUPtc-0003U8-Fx - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:07:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUPtc-0003Tz-Ag - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:07:40 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.190] (helo=web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUPtb-0001Sb-UX - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:07:40 -0400 -Received: (qmail 60126 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 15:07:38 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=bYX3BpmT//3LIb66Rostsjls4wCBDegAFlTJmB6WP+6stzoMmeQTMenSYr6UPJLNzTFo9f/x2qhcCXKCO06hCPGsr4ZprOcuehv9BNqAx8AVYzilughDMTulk+uy+D1WPj9oZezlF9fTPCtcfUMvtp8d2dYIUETDFHmBG1ApKV4= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:07:38 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -20324,48 +11986,13 @@ of a concensus on the "best" way to do it. Also, before we do a GUI we would probably need to bring B-natural or something like it to maturity. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUQ7L-0007H4-Ce - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:21:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUQ7I-0007Ea-UZ - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:21:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUQ7H-0007C2-2H - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:21:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUQ7G-0007Bs-T0 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:21:46 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.195] (helo=web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUQ7G-0003l4-Tg - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:21:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 92075 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 15:21:45 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=UcMoGXTU5rxYDmi7vaE2sd4ZVXPTsLqa4SzeZYc3kVEBPaaqtBOqg8Ku+WUjhyGTH7SSvUYZbP+qN0T8GcsG3O3vWHKIZ5ZkjPPGGzDjwNY1RwO8XRqPKDkoi7kGDtKjHqi8F3njC2/r0/yBtFDDzmVsStqMhbgsJh4qdKVAUYc= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:21:45 PDT +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: User interface, - TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) -To: David MENTRE David Mentre, - Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: David Mentre, Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: User interface, TeXmacs and Axiom (was: Re: backups) ---- David MENTRE David Mentre wrote: +--- David Mentre wrote: > Hello Antoine, > @@ -20408,45 +12035,11 @@ own quality standards. Admittedly just a thought, at the moment. True. -Cheers, -CY - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FURx9-0007Mv-Ci - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:19:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FURx7-0007LG-8J - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:19:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FURx5-0007K7-JF - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:19:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FURx5-0007Jx-5f - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:19:23 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FURx6-0001bh-2s - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:19:24 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3EHJIRi029429 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:19:18 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:19:38 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom -Cc: axiom-developer > Axiom, in its current state, is much more for programmers and > developers than for end users. An Emacs inteface which helps those @@ -20501,39 +12094,11 @@ reflections. And a prerequisite of that is that the aldor compiler becomes open source or at least that there is a developer at aldor.org who implements reflections. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTDy-0003k2-Ea - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:40:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTDx-0003jc-Fq - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:40:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTDw-0003jD-D8 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:40:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUTDw-0003j7-8z - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:40:52 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.183] (helo=web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUTDy-00025b-1Z - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:40:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10386 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 18:40:50 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=pjnCOowLnDpxhPddrqV0Fzpb1mE1EwN4rYA4TxalJAsaReE0MOYVACFjAC3iH+YWgyko5fXbyuWYhvKFSDXXHoNdaVPoL4LjvxCCDZKDfDOIeTVTgWPrkiDgCefuHi0b7UjC2zXn3NZkbVIg6YIswydv3os0gk9DBbevFPKYGnA= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:40:50 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -20621,54 +12186,11 @@ others? Right. Still, I suppose that need not stop the collection of ideas. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTaH-0001rC-Sb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:03:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTaF-0001pB-Ui - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:03:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTaE-0001nv-Pn - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:03:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUTaE-0001nb-Le - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:03:54 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUTaG-0004hl-HK - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:03:56 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3EJ3nQG016382 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:03:49 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3EJ3nSP016379; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:03:49 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:03:49 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: User interface,TeXmacs and Axiom - Ralf Hemmecke, - axiom-developer - <20060414184050.10384.qmail@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CblX+4bnyfN0pR09" -Cc: axiom-developer - - ---CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 C Y [Cliff Yapp] wrote: > True. OK, if we want to be more specific, a while back I outlined a @@ -20709,60 +12231,10 @@ onMouseOver handler to display something about each subexpression information "integer" or "polynomial" in a sidebar, and any assumptions about it. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEP/IVjwioWRGe9K0RAvWmAJ0f+xTg0smqcraZkXueFIB+9BfrMQCdHO3E -0qnyBhnQaJXH85cx1RC+Udw= -=poig ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---CblX+4bnyfN0pR09-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTd7-00061x-UD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:06:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTd6-00061k-VX - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:06:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTd6-00061T-2q - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:06:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUTd5-00061J-V3 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:06:52 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FUTd8-00053L-26 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:06:54 -0400 -Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUTcz-0003fU-L0 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:06:45 +0200 -Received: from 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net ([69.160.148.143]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:06:45 +0200 -Received: from simon by 69-160-148-143.vnnyca.adelphia.net with local (Gmexim - 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:06:45 +0200 -To: list -From: Simon Michael +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:07:03 -0700 +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Re: Glossary > Could someone tell me why @@ -20783,32 +12255,7 @@ That looks like a useful page - note also you can generate that sort of thing automatically, showing eg. the page's first paragraph; here's an example: http://zopewiki.org/Glossary . - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUUbR-0004l8-Ux - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUUbQ-0004kU-8h - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUUbN-0004k2-T9 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUUbN-0004js-K6 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:09 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUUbQ-0003AY-8W - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:12 -0400 -Received: (qmail 64777 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2006 20:09:08 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=vY1VlbCs9yySBJdsi9tgIDKoAE0P0oGOImvJ66GDJRVtxqffgz7bZJpXe/Rq4WcP+xORLj+1kIvwWutwsiwol2X9SzlhDfnOZ0XiY5mJcSOzN6eDLdyaTv3Cjw6ejGWqG9/Uu6weB750cmkHbhbjZeONKntyctZlSVIrTMMJdF8= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:09:08 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -20816,40 +12263,11 @@ Subject: Summer of Code is on again! http://code.google.com/soc/ -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUUsB-0008VO-Iq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:26:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUUs9-0008Ur-R7 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:26:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUUs8-0008UT-9Y - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:26:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUUs8-0008UQ-4p - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:26:28 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUUsB-00051N-2K - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:26:31 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3EKQ0LE005106; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:26:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Simon Michael'" Simon Michael -Subject: RE: Re: Glossary +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:25:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Simon Michael +Subject: RE: Re: Glossary On April 14, 2006 5:12 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -20882,39 +12300,11 @@ automatically generated glossary. :) What do you think Ralf? Perhaps both of these should have links from the FrontPage? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUV7M-0007ni-2S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:42:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUV7J-0007mt-UV - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:42:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUV7I-0007mT-23 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:42:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUV7H-0007mQ-Ud - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:42:07 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUV7L-0006jX-0E - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:42:11 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3EKfh1d003178; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:42:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Summer of Code is on again! Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:41:20 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Summer of Code is on again! On April 14, 2006 4:09 PM C Y wrote: > ... @@ -20963,48 +12353,11 @@ and related: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/WishList http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AwardOfBounties -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUW2Z-0003tT-5I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:41:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUW2X-0003rn-1o - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:41:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUW2V-0003pm-E4 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:41:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUW2V-0003pc-8b - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:41:15 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUW2Y-0004Br-LM - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:41:18 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3ELfBhH017377 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:41:11 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3ELfB80017374; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:41:11 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:41:11 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Simon Michael Subject: re: Glossary - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt" -Cc: list - - ---ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Simon Michael [Simon Michael] wrote: > >Could someone tell me why @@ -21035,65 +12388,12 @@ So, like any input syntax, it is always possible to put math in and process it with some tool, but it requires a perverse and un-latex like syntax. (see also MediaWiki, twiki, etc.) --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEQBb3jwioWRGe9K0RAuyqAJ9pgZS5s9D/RTKmV/jerlJVtjyDIQCg2Pbm -LLQWaiLoF6IsjuZ0I4u/QPM= -=D75w ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUZc6-0001nK-Tt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:30:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUZc5-0001mm-2T - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:30:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUZc4-0001mF-Bn - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:30:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUZc4-0001m7-7x - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:30:12 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUZc9-0001Ps-Sv - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:30:18 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3F1UAMB018887 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) - for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:30:10 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3F1UA0B018884 - for list; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:30:10 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:30:10 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM" Subject: new FORM paper - ---ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM - People here may be interested in this new paper today: http://www.arxiv.org/abs/cs.SC/0604052 @@ -21104,62 +12404,12 @@ done according to the POSIX standards defined for the UNIX operating system. We present a number of examples that illustrate the increased power due to these new capabilities. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEQEyhjwioWRGe9K0RAm8PAKCJ81Y+QxDXxzfgJEq/rCdGW2thoACfcKrT -yXx6SeXdISmbV1Pn8wDJm/Q= -=WpgD ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---ZfOjI3PrQbgiZnxM-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUhmQ-0004oI-4B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:13:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUhmO-0004lA-O7 - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:13:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUhmM-0004is-TT - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:13:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUhmM-0004ib-PO - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUhmX-00083n-MU - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:13:34 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0501.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B46201C000AB - for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:13:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-76-155.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr - [81.53.155.155]) - by mwinf0501.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4748A1C000A8 - for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:13:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FUhn2-0001bn-W0 - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:14:05 +0200 -To: list -From: David Mentre +\start Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:14:04 +0200 +From: David Mentre +To: list Subject: ACL2 plugin for Eclipse ---=-=-= - Hello, In light of recent discussions on this list, here is an announcement @@ -21174,63 +12424,11 @@ in Common Lisp. This package could show interested people : I'm personally not interested in Eclipse so I won't look further at this software. -Best wishes, -d. - - ---=-=-= - -Return-path: -Envelope-to: david@localhost -Delivery-date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:18:55 +0200 -Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by morgana with esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1FUfo9-0001G6-Hp - for david@localhost; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:07:05 +0200 -Received: from gmail-pop.l.google.com [64.233.183.109] - by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.5) - for david@localhost (single-drop); - Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:07:05 +0200 (CEST) -Delivered-To: David Mentre -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with SMTP id h7cs26771nzd; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.48.243.1 with SMTP id q1mr943450nfh; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from tuxinette.linux-france.org (tuxinette.linux-france.org - [80.247.225.35]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si612366nfe.2006.04.14.14.37.07; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) -Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 80.247.225.35 is neither permitted nor - denied by best guess record for domain of - owner-acl2@lists.cc.utexas.edu) -Received: from iceman.cc.utexas.edu (iceman.cc.utexas.edu [146.6.71.66]) - by tuxinette.linux-france.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/No Relay No Spam) with - ESMTP id k3ELb6TY019665 - for David Mentre; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:37:06 +0200 -Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by iceman.cc.utexas.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/cc-lists.mc-1.36) with SMTP id - k3ELZCxH018390; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:35:12 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from ironmaiden.mail.utexas.edu (ironmaiden.mail.utexas.edu - [128.83.32.53]) - by iceman.cc.utexas.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/cc-lists.mc-1.36) with ESMTP - id k3ELYw7Q018351 - for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:34:58 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sark4.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.7.19]) - by ironmaiden.mail.utexas.edu with ESMTP; 14 Apr 2006 16:22:37 -0500 - d="scan'208"; a="1842883536:sNHT17500284" -Received: from baobab.cc.gatech.edu (baobab.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.101.13]) - by sark4.cc.gatech.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3ELMZcH003425; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:22:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from baobab.cc.gatech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by baobab.cc.gatech.edu (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3ELMZjT018022; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:22:35 -0400 -Received: (from peterd@localhost) - by baobab.cc.gatech.edu (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k3ELMZdN018021; - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:22:35 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:22:35 -0400 -From: Peter Dillinger -To: acl2s-announce@cc.gatech.edu, acl2@lists.cc.utexas.edu +From: Peter Dillinger +To: list Subject: ACL2s mailing lists & new version -Xref: morgana list.acl2:307 We have dubbed our Eclipse plug-in and ACL2 modifications "ACL2s" (for "ACL2 Sedan"). More information is available on the web page: @@ -21262,50 +12460,10 @@ For those interested, a new version has been released (plugin 0.4.1, hooks 2.9.4-4), which includes Daron's latest CCG termination analysis, some code cleanup and bug fixes. --- -Peter Dillinger | "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is -peterd@cc.gatech.edu | very important that you do it." -http://www.peterd.org | - Mohandas "Mahatma" Gandhi - - - ---=-=-= - - - --- -pub 1024D/A3AD7A2A 2004-10-03 David Mentre - 5996 CC46 4612 9CA4 3562 D7AC 6C67 9E96 A3AD 7A2A - ---=-=-=-- - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUmfU-0007aj-L8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:26:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUmfS-0007YO-Ha - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:26:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUmfO-0007UO-8M - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:26:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUmfO-0007UE-0l - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:26:30 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.199] (helo=mta9.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUmfb-0007nq-NW - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:26:43 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta9.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060415152627.VIFC7190.mta9.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]> - for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:26:27 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:41:01 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers -To: Axiom-Developer -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 +To: list Subject: "make" suggestions for $AXIOM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- @@ -21331,52 +12489,17 @@ but the documentation might fail(: (or be simplified?) If there is any interest I can try one (or both); I don't know which alternative would be more compatible with the present style. -Ray - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) -Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org - -iD8DBQFEQSIcLJ8uiVOcj4IRAm5uAJ0XoIq+6ji+77Yb8g4FpmTHtvgT0gCghoMD -ucVSQnJ85OBCNspE85LUG7M= -=LBG+ ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUqMt-0006KI-62 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUqMs-0006Jx-0c - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUqMp-0006Jj-SM - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUqMp-0006Jg-Mo - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:35 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.44] (helo=mta13.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FUqN6-0007Oz-2e - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:52 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [24.53.124.201]) by mta13.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060415192334.WIKK27529.mta13.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.2]>; - Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:23:34 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:24:57 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: FC5 success (well sort of) - <200604121532.k3CFWVl17448@localhost.localdomain> -OpenPGP: id=539C8F82 -Cc: list -Hi Tim, - ?? not only doesn't it show up in the build output, but it is not even there in -src/hyper/Makefile -Would you like a copy of the created Makefile in src/hyper/ ? A lot of stuff happens, but not -this. Or you could send me a copy of your Makefile.pamphlet; mine doesn't have "chmod" . +not only doesn't it show up in the build output, but it is not even +there in src/hyper/Makefile Would you like a copy of the created +Makefile in src/hyper/ ? A lot of stuff happens, but not this. Or you +could send me a copy of your Makefile.pamphlet; mine doesn't have +"chmod" . Ray @@ -21397,43 +12520,13 @@ root wrote: > @chmod a+x ${OUTLIB}/htsearch > which should make it executable. It is executable in my builds. > Where does this happen to you? -> -> Tim -> -> -> - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUsUi-00050P-8P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:39:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUsUg-0004yn-S4 - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:39:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FUsUf-0004wh-1u - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:39:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUsUe-0004we-Sj - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:39:48 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FUsUw-0003tB-CF - for list; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:40:06 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3FLdgRi017565 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:39:43 +0200 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:38:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Glossary -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: Simon Michael Hello, @@ -21488,41 +12581,10 @@ am voting for SiteIndex and SiteMap. My SandBoxGlossary, will probably be removed later. I somehow like the autogenerated page more if the content on the corresponding pages is well done. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVAIj-0002xO-9N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:40:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVAIg-0002u3-UG - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:40:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVAIe-0002tG-Kl - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:40:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVAIe-0002t8-9D; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FVAJ6-0002l1-WE; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:41:05 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3GGeVoX004139; - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:40:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A832D7F40A; - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3GHRAg27836; - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:27:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:27:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: configure.in.patch Camm, @@ -21546,33 +12608,10 @@ system. Perhaps you want to put it into gcl-2.6.8? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVDBp-0008V7-SD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:45:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVDBn-0008Tp-QC - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:45:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVDBk-0008SD-Vu - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:45:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVDBk-0008S6-QY - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:45:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FVDCF-00046g-4g - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3GJjcRi032489 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:45:38 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:52:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner basis.] - (new) Hello Axiom developers, @@ -21586,8 +12625,6 @@ submitting on IssueTracker. Ralf On 04/16/2006 04:18 PM, anonymous wrote: -> Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/284AxiomCrashesForAGraebnerBasis/diff -> -- > I try : > > \begin{axiom} @@ -21598,39 +12635,12 @@ On 04/16/2006 04:18 PM, anonymous wrote: > \end{axiom} > > and axiom is gone... -> -- -> forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/284AxiomCrashesForAGraebnerBasis#msg20060416091801-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVEeQ-0007xt-CK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:19:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVEeO-0007xC-GP - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:19:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVEeM-0007wa-BD - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:19:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVEeM-0007wX-7j - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:19:18 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FVEer-0005AO-OB - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:19:49 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3GLIrn6029938; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:19:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner - basis.](new) + +\start Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:18:26 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner basis.] Ralf, @@ -21664,55 +12674,16 @@ Bill Page. > > P2 := HDMP ([a,b,c,d],Integer) ;= a*d+b*c - 17 > > computeBasis [P1,P2] - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVGWv-0001Tm-D1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:19:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVGWt-0001QR-71 - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:19:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVGWp-0001Os-IK - for list; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:19:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVGWp-0001Op-Es; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:19:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FVGXM-0000Tj-53; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:20:12 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3GNJb63001790; - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:19:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC397F40C; - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:19:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3H06Dq28993; - Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:06:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:06:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 14 Apr 2006 12:25:58 -0400) - <54lku8xmnx.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200604141537.k3EFbNU19218@localhost.localdomain> - <541ww0jf8p.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - J_CHICKENPOX_82, J_CHICKENPOX_93 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: axiom.risc Camm, This patch is NOT in 2.6.8pre. I just hand-patched it in. -Tim - - - --- configure 2006-04-14 18:11:38.692002016 +0200 +++ configure.tpd 2006-04-14 18:17:23.868312995 +0200 @@ -6187,7 +6187,7 @@ @@ -21727,36 +12698,9 @@ Tim This is in 2.6.8pre, which alas has really been delayed too long now. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVNH4-0007aI-WB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:31:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVNH2-0007YD-KS - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:31:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVNH1-0007X1-4K - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:31:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVNH0-0007Wr-S1 - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:31:46 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVNHa-0003QI-2Z - for list; 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Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -22065,51 +12898,18 @@ root Tim Daly writes: > > --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWiA-000315-Jb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:36:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWi9-00030J-4W - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:36:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWi6-0002yv-OZ - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:36:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVWi6-0002yl-FM - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:36:22 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=smtp4.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVWin-0006aq-4G - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:37:05 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0412.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 25FA91C0018A - for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:36:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-5-163.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-5-163.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.147.163]) - by mwinf0412.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BCB591C0017F; - Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:36:20 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: --patch-48 -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly - <1145286039.4282.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <200604171511.k3HFBNa09286@localhost.localdomain> - <1145287681.24226.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> +\start Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:36:46 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: --patch-48 Hi, Le lundi 17 avril 2006 =C3=A0 17:28 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=C3=A9gory a =C3=A9c= rit : > Hi, ->=20 +> > Another bad news. gcl-2.6.8pre, from axiom zips directory, does not > compile on Debian-amd64 (64bits OS and gcc 4.0.3). I will check out the > gcl-2.6.8pre from GCL cvs, investigate and inform Camm of these @@ -22119,132 +12919,32 @@ rit : For information, lastest gcl-2.6.8pre from cvs compiles cleanly on Debian-amd64. The sequence of commands to check it out was: -export CVSROOT=3D:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/gcl +export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/gcl cvs -z9 -q co -d gcl-2.6.8pre -r Version_2_6_8pre gcl -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWmr-0004ck-Od - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:41:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWmo-0004Z4-NX - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:41:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWmm-0004Xe-Oz - for list; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:41:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVWmm-0004XR-F9; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:41:12 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FVWnT-00071Z-6a; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:41:55 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3HGf3pn020741; 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- Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:39:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:39:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: --patch-48 it appears that --patch-48 is flawed. please do not use it. a new patch will be avaiable soon. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVhPj-0004FA-Au - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:02:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVhPg-0004Cr-Mi - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:02:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVhPd-0004Ag-5j - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:02:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVhPd-0004Ac-4R - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:02:01 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVhQQ-00014b-Bd - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:02:50 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3I41xlB018888 - for ; 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Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:43:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVsMG-0007YW-3P - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:43:16 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FVsN9-0007tQ-Ui - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:44:12 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3IFgnE3011067; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:43:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:42:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: [AxiomDownload] Ralf, I believe that it is/has been Tim Daly's procedure to first update the tla archive, as and when patches are applied but -to only promote the code to CVS after more thorough testing -=20 +to only promote the code to CVS after more thorough testing - about once every two months or so. The same CVS is available at both Savannah and Sourceforge, with sourceforge as a backup site. So the tla archive is not always in synch with the CVS. The tla archive is more current but less tested. Right, Tim? -Perhaps we should only call the CVS "gold".=20 +Perhaps we should only call the CVS "gold". I am not sure (yet) what we should say about the "silver" svn version since it still seems highly experimental to me - at @@ -22342,28 +13017,28 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomDownload#msg20060418094013-0500@wiki= .ax iom-developer.org -> =20 +> > ++added: > + * There are several ways to access the sources of Axiom: > + -> + * The CVS and tla archives are identical and refer to=20 +> + * The CVS and tla archives are identical and refer to > the Golden release of Axiom, i.e. the latest stable release. > + -> + * The SVN archive refers to the Silver release, i.e.=20 +> + * The SVN archive refers to the Silver release, i.e. > this is the branch which is updated more often, but might be -> + not so stable. Approximately every two months stable=20 +> + not so stable. Approximately every two months stable > code moves from Silver to Gold. > + > * The current Axiom source distribution is available via > CVS at: ->=20 +> > * http://sourceforge.net/projects/axiom/ > ++added: > + > + * A tla archive (GNU arch) can be obtained via:: > + > + tla my-id "Your Name " -> + tla register-archive arch@axiom-developer.org--axiom=20 +> + tla register-archive arch@axiom-developer.org--axiom > http://www.axiom-developer.org/archive/axiom > + tla my-default-archive arch@axiom-developer.org--axiom > + tla get axiom--main--1 GoldenAxiom @@ -22376,43 +13051,12 @@ iom-developer.org > + > + svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk = SilverAxiom -> =20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVshd-0001Ow-UO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVshb-0001NG-IZ - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVshZ-0001Lu-TD - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVshZ-0001Lp-NV - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVsiU-0004Ka-0X - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:06:14 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3IG52Ek004575; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CA07F40E; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:04 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3IFxeR11478; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:59:40 -0400 +> + +\start Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:59:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Cc: list Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] > I believe that it is/has been Tim Daly's procedure to first @@ -22438,39 +13082,10 @@ track the other three archives with fully tested code. Unfortunately my SVN client cannot communicate with sourceforge yet because it cannot speak ssh. I need to update my client. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVshx-0001bQ-4Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVshu-0001Zi-WA - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVshr-0001Xy-LK - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVshr-0001Xp-Ek - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:05:35 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FVsil-0004Mg-C0 - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:06:31 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3IG5URi028327 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:05:30 +0200 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:06:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] Hello Bill, @@ -22522,42 +13137,10 @@ Please let's reduce all this confusion. Suppose you are new to Axiom knowledgable in CVS and you want to contribute code to axiom. You look at FrontPage. AND THEN??? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVswa-00007Q-I7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:20:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVswY-00006X-Gj - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:20:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVswX-0008WL-2H - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:20:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVswW-0008W6-Rt - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:20:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVsxR-0006dR-BS - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:21:41 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3IGKcg0014255; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:20:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123027F407; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:20:39 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3IGFFI11497; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:15:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:15:15 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:06:09 +0200) - <44450E71.2060003@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] > Please let's reduce all this confusion. Suppose you are new to Axiom @@ -22585,36 +13168,10 @@ to merge Camm's debian changes because they don't have any documentation. If I don't understand a change and can't test it I certainly won't merge it. Otherwise the code quality "gets away from me". -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVtoi-00055O-AD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:16:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVtog-00054l-Hz - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:16:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVtof-00053K-G6 - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:16:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVtof-00053C-A5 - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:16:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FVtpa-0004Nb-Et - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:17:38 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3IHGJI1032327; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:16:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:16:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: [AxiomDownload] On April 18, 2006 12:00 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: @@ -22627,79 +13184,19 @@ On April 18, 2006 12:00 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: Why do you need ssh? The protocol is https. No? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVtrm-0006TM-Do - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:19:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVtrk-0006Rw-6Y - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:19:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVtri-0006R8-Jg - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:19:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVtri-0006R3-Df - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:19:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVtsd-0004l8-FF - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:20:47 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3IHJaX1012796; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:19:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7767F40D; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:19:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3IHEAo11567; - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:14:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:14:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Cc: list Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] possibly not. the error from my SVN client was unclear and i was guessing. i haven't taken the time to debug it yet. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVu0S-0002Gr-1O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:28:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVu0Q-0002G6-UJ - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:28:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVu0Q-0002Fc-2a - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:28:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVu0P-0002FY-W3 - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:28:50 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FVu1L-00065j-7M - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:29:47 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3IHSLUT018153; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:28:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:28:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: [AxiomDownload] Ralf, @@ -22780,41 +13277,11 @@ There is a also a link there from FAQ. Perhaps there should be a direct link from the FrontPage? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVudu-0001km-EI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:09:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVuds-0001jz-Ax - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:09:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVudq-0001jk-FH - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:09:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVudq-0001je-7M - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:09:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp14.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVuel-0002ir-QU - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:10:31 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1407.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2CF8E700009C - for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-98-217.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-98-217.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.95.217]) - by mwinf1407.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E1F0E7000093 - for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:09:31 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: axiom-developer Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:10:02 +0200 -Subject: "Please add new attributes" message when building - aldor interface +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: "Please add new attributes" message when building aldor interface Hi, @@ -22844,49 +13311,16 @@ axiom with the sample provided. So my questions are: is it a known issue ? Is the Aldor interface correct ? Am I alone with this issue ? Is it normal that the build process stops (it's not documented on Mathaction) ? Was src_aldor2.tgz changed (I did not encounter this issue -in the past)?=20 - - -Cheers, - -Greg +in the past)? PS: I don't know if the following helps but I built Aldor interface in two times (the first time I decompressed src_aldor2 in the axiom root directory) and I use make version 3.81rc2 - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVwAs-0000Kj-2d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:47:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVwAq-0000K3-9M - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:47:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVwAp-0000JQ-Ii - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:47:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FVwAl-0000IT-Nv; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:47:39 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) - id 1FVwBh-0002vl-U4; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:48:38 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3IJlaRi002386 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:47:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:48:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org, - axiom-math@nongnu.org -Cc: +To: list Subject: Call for active participation Hello friends of Axiom, @@ -22914,35 +13348,10 @@ Please help. A better AXIOM depends on YOU. Hope to hear from you -Ralf Hemmecke - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW1YJ-0006HI-NX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:32:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW1YH-0006H0-4z - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:32:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW1YF-0006Go-HT - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:32:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FW1YF-0006Gl-Ci - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:32:15 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FW1ZF-0003ku-6i - for list; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:33:17 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.191.200]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3J1Vmu1014466; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:32:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +\start Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:31:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Attempt at Emacs mode pamphlet Cliff, @@ -23043,40 +13452,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/210PamphletSupportOnMathAction under "Revised Design". -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW6B0-000671-Cv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:28:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW6Ay-00066O-LU - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:28:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW6Aw-000662-9p - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:28:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FW6Aw-00065z-3U - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:28:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FW6By-0007jm-Ne - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:29:35 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3J6SLRi019946 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:28:26 +0200 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:22:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] >> The tla, sourceforge cvs, and savannah cvs are all updated @@ -23167,39 +13546,11 @@ Gives a list of precompiled gold releases of Axiom. Are there more/other ideas or suggestions? -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW6V7-0003XW-AC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:49:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW6V5-0003WZ-IB - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:49:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW6V2-0003U7-Ey - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:49:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FW6V2-0003U0-81 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:49:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FW6W4-0000Zg-Uw - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:50:21 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3J6nDRi020446 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:49:14 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:49:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Attempt at Emacs mode pamphlet -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Hello, @@ -23249,53 +13600,23 @@ automatically into the glossary. Perfectly well hidden. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW8u2-0007RY-FE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:23:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW8u0-0007OC-MV - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:23:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW8ty-0007Ns-1B - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:23:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FW8tx-0007Np-Sw - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:23:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FW8v2-0003w6-6P - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:24:16 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3J9N7Ri027612 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:23:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:23:49 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: =?UTF-8?B?VmFudXhlbSBHcsOpZ29yeQ==?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message when - building aldor interface -Cc: axiom-developer - -Hello Gr=C3=A9gory, +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message when building aldor interface On 04/18/2006 08:10 PM, Vanuxem Gr=C3=A9gory wrote: > Hi, ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > I have successfully built Axiom --patch-49 on my machine. And in the > process of building the Aldor interface (I followed the procedure > described in http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiomissue) i > encountered the following undocumented issue: ->=20 +> > the build process stopped with this message: ->=20 +> > cp /usr/local/axiom/src/aldor/as/attrib.as.head /usr/local/axiom/int/a= ldor/as/attrib.as > Please add new attributes to /attrib.as.head @@ -23304,7 +13625,7 @@ ldor/as/attrib.as > =C2=AB /usr/local/axiom/int/aldor/as/attrib.as =C2=BB > make[1]: quittant le r=C3=A9pertoire =C2=AB /usr/local/axiom/src/aldor = =C2=BB ->=20 +> > It seems that the build process stops to allow user to modify > attrib.as.head that contains attributes defined in the axiom library > (for example shallowMutable). Indeed the libaxiom.mk contains a "@false= @@ -23338,13 +13659,13 @@ says... The build might take up to 2 hours or some machines. -I faintly remember that I did exactly that when I compiled the=20 -interface. But I can tell you more when I rebuild it (which is not=20 +I faintly remember that I did exactly that when I compiled the +interface. But I can tell you more when I rebuild it (which is not likely in the next two weeks), > Is the Aldor interface correct ? -I think so, but one never knows, since the whole stuff is more or less=20 +I think so, but one never knows, since the whole stuff is more or less completely undocumented. :-( > Am I alone with this issue ? Is it normal that the build process stops = @@ -23362,7 +13683,7 @@ libaxiom.mk says # The second ensures that the build will fail if ATTREG.spad is modified.= -ALL_DIRS +=3D $(MID)/as +ALL_DIRS += $(MID)/as $(MID)/as/attrib.as:: $(IN)/as/attrib.as.head $(MID)/as/.dir cp $(IN)/as/attrib.as.head $@ @@ -23375,52 +13696,22 @@ $(MID)/as/attrib.as:: $(INT)/algebra/ATTREG.spad So if ever ATTREG.spad changes the compilation stops. Hmm, that means it = probably always stops if you do 'tla update' and recompile Axiom. -Maybe the dependency should rather be ATTREG.spad.pamphlet. But also=20 +Maybe the dependency should rather be ATTREG.spad.pamphlet. But also that does not sound correct, since I can simply modify the documentation = without generating a different ATTREG.spad. -Probably the easiest thing would be to include the src_aldor2.tgz (in=20 -extracted form) into the aldor distribution. Sure, you can only build=20 -the interface, if you have Java around, but your problem would go away,=20 -since whenever ATTREG.spad.pamphlet is modified one would modify=20 +Probably the easiest thing would be to include the src_aldor2.tgz (in +extracted form) into the aldor distribution. Sure, you can only build +the interface, if you have Java around, but your problem would go away, +since whenever ATTREG.spad.pamphlet is modified one would modify attrib.as.head appropriately BEFORE distributing new Axiom sources. The timestamp of attrib.as should be newer than ATTREG.spad. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW94x-0002Ed-77 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:34:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW94u-0002Cu-SQ - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:34:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FW94s-0002Ar-KM - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:34:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FW94s-0002Aa-Hr - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:34:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FW95w-00057m-WE - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:35:33 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3J9YIRi028556 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:34:19 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:35:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly - <44450E71.2060003@hemmecke.de> - <200604181615.k3IGFFI11497@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Subject: Re: [AxiomDownload] Hello Tim, @@ -23446,36 +13737,10 @@ how do they find out about all the different files. Would you use a I would be happy if such a procedure gets added to the FAQ page. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWC66-0006EI-9m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:47:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWC65-0006EC-1w - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:47:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWC62-0006E0-Kd - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:47:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWC62-0006Dw-Ec - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:47:50 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWC78-0004Lu-L3 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:48:58 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3JClmRi003798 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:47:48 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:48:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Axiom bibliography Hello, @@ -23490,37 +13755,11 @@ http://www.math.utah.edu:8080/pub/tex/bib/axiom.bib might be interesting for the Axiom-References page. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWCkZ-00025T-94 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWCkX-00024s-KO - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWCkV-00023z-L3 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWCkV-00023u-Gv - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWClc-0008L9-Ek - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:30:48 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-191-200.anikast.net [207.61.191.200]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3JDTGiX010070; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography Ralf, @@ -23546,40 +13785,11 @@ Note that it is also listed on Axiom Wiki here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FoundObjects -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWDVi-0007Tt-OC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:18:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWDVh-0007To-81 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:18:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWDVf-0007Tb-NK - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:18:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWDVf-0007TV-IZ - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:18:23 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.194] (helo=web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWDWm-00045y-VN - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:19:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail 76293 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 14:16:51 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=VoGc9H5qPeVyZftxI6JVDf2Ndppz5ZugHEy0l5NDh7mWyJfVo5l5cpTRgzCBaTS61+RAbdzn2GW2rgN80XEO898PB9U01O0/Gk2BzrKFHgjIJ7ydhQlmF2tFy8Y0EjD62Hy4Kv42hYgLvRzuA5CKAx2ieBrwFfUvACwmk/9zDDg= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:16:51 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 07:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -23686,46 +13896,12 @@ Comments? This is an important issue and will become much more important as time goes on, so now is the time to figure out what is "right" and implement it. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWEi4-0005ae-6G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:35:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWEi2-0005Zv-H3 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:35:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWEi1-0005Z9-4B - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:35:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWEi0-0005Z2-Vh - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:35:13 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=smtp2.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWEj8-00030m-OO - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:36:23 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0AB851C00478 - for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:35:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-75-233.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-75-233.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.188.233]) - by mwinf0201.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9E8601C00441; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:35:10 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message when - building aldor interface -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <444601A5.10507@hemmecke.de> +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:35:44 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] "Please add new attributes" message when building aldor interface + Hi, @@ -23735,39 +13911,39 @@ Le mercredi 19 avril 2006 =C3=A0 11:23 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke a =C3=A9crit = [...] > > Am I alone with this issue ? Is it normal that the build process stop= -s=20 +s > > (it's not documented on Mathaction) ? Was src_aldor2.tgz changed > > (I did not encounter this issue in the past)? ->=20 +> > Yes, the compilation stopped but not for the issue you described. > What you encountered should rather be seen as a feature than a bug. > So '@false' should remain there. I agree ->=20 +> > libaxiom.mk says > ----BEGIN > # attrib.as - needs some special rules > # The second ensures that the build will fail if ATTREG.spad is modifie= d. ->=20 -> ALL_DIRS +=3D $(MID)/as ->=20 +> +> ALL_DIRS += $(MID)/as +> > $(MID)/as/attrib.as:: $(IN)/as/attrib.as.head $(MID)/as/.dir > cp $(IN)/as/attrib.as.head $@ ->=20 +> > $(MID)/as/attrib.as:: $(INT)/algebra/ATTREG.spad > @echo "Please add new attributes to $(Ax0Dir)/attrib.as.head" > @false > ----END ->=20 +> > So if ever ATTREG.spad changes the compilation stops. Hmm, that means i= -t=20 +t > probably always stops if you do 'tla update' and recompile Axiom. -> Maybe the dependency should rather be ATTREG.spad.pamphlet. But also=20 +> Maybe the dependency should rather be ATTREG.spad.pamphlet. But also > that does not sound correct, since I can simply modify the documentatio= -n=20 +n > without generating a different ATTREG.spad. Yes you're right, thanks, I read too quickly the libaxiom.mk (I built @@ -23781,54 +13957,19 @@ Cheers, Greg -> Probably the easiest thing would be to include the src_aldor2.tgz (in=20 -> extracted form) into the aldor distribution. Sure, you can only build=20 +> Probably the easiest thing would be to include the src_aldor2.tgz (in +> extracted form) into the aldor distribution. Sure, you can only build > the interface, if you have Java around, but your problem would go away,= -=20 -> since whenever ATTREG.spad.pamphlet is modified one would modify=20 + +> since whenever ATTREG.spad.pamphlet is modified one would modify > attrib.as.head appropriately BEFORE distributing new Axiom sources. > The timestamp of attrib.as should be newer than ATTREG.spad. ->=20 -> Ralf ->=20 ->=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWF0m-0004yZ-CR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:54:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWF0k-0004wj-Eg - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:54:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWF0j-0004w4-Ky - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:54:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWF0j-0004vk-Ee - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:54:33 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.200] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWF1r-0004xf-G1 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:55:43 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so878138nzf - for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=heTKXVV04FOIoEXLYco8jyNy18Q9ITFjky+EEZetfK+ksVHxicLOSqqhfBzZzER/DoDkZbc6QJmBnOcwol4+8pETRfr32vZiyMDFMm8XtaZY6tvLHy50J6BbOwcMVLBhkn+RPCKC2GpZnNOlwE1TZ0Mev/05Ns3O8kml/Pn/Y2Y= -Received: by 10.36.129.20 with SMTP id b20mr432686nzd; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT) + +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:54:26 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [AxiomDownload] - <44450E71.2060003@hemmecke.de> - <200604181615.k3IGFFI11497@localhost.localdomain> - <44460444.60106@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Hello Ralf, @@ -23852,42 +13993,11 @@ Procedure that works for any Source Code Management system: 5. send wonderful-feature-dxm.patch to Tim and axiom-developer@. -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWF31-0005Sj-Qv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:56:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWF30-0005SR-PR - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:56:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWF2z-0005S7-5o - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:56:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWF2z-0005S4-23 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:56:53 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWF47-0005AU-3m - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:58:03 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3JFuoRi010782 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:56:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:57:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: =?UTF-8?B?VmFudXhlbSBHcsOpZ29yeQ==?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message - when building aldor interface - <444601A5.10507@hemmecke.de> - <1145460944.3716.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message when building aldor interface > So it seems that my version of ATTREG.spad > was more recent than attrib.as.head. Humm it's strange since I did not @@ -23914,42 +14024,11 @@ So what do you think about including (an extracted) src_aldor2.tgz in use at one's own risk. But it would be a bit simpler than the current steps at http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFDK-0002T9-VP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:07:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFDJ-0002SS-IY - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:07:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFDG-0002P3-8G - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:07:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWFDF-0002Ox-MA - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:07:29 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWFEN-0006Gz-Py - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:08:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3JG7MRi011163 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:07:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:08:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: David MENTRE David Mentre +To: David Mentre Subject: re: [AxiomDownload] - <44450E71.2060003@hemmecke.de> - <200604181615.k3IGFFI11497@localhost.localdomain> - <44460444.60106@hemmecke.de> - <3d13dcfc0604190854t4dc40ceclf0313b3e0abe4d2a@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list Thanks David, @@ -23986,45 +14065,12 @@ On 04/19/2006 05:54 PM, David MENTRE wrote: > Best wishes, > d. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFRR-0000gf-5n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:22:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFRP-0000g7-GE - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:22:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFRN-0000fu-Up - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:22:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWFRN-0000fr-Rn - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:22:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWFSW-0007l7-FA - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:23:16 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3JGLpOc032333; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:21:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DA77F404; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:21:53 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3JGGTQ12303; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:16:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:16:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 19 Apr 2006 18:08:04 +0200) Subject: re: [AxiomDownload] - <44450E71.2060003@hemmecke.de> - <200604181615.k3IGFFI11497@localhost.localdomain> - <44460444.60106@hemmecke.de> - <3d13dcfc0604190854t4dc40ceclf0313b3e0abe4d2a@mail.gmail.com> - <44466064.30508@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre > Thanks David, > @@ -24072,44 +14118,11 @@ Since I hand review and apply every change it might happen that your patch gets rewritten to work in a different fashion. The -Naur file format gives me enough information to find every individual change. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFTd-0001s8-Jb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFTb-0001qj-VV - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFTZ-0001pX-Jq - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWFTZ-0001pI-CZ - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:21 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.206] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWFUh-0007wT-R2 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:25:32 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so885285nzf - for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=ZOhuaPxfWksSNR4DjKtDeCaOq5fhxfSk71CFuoZyXmBK9Tod7d6MkdcoROd+FUHmf3BEmDP+XN4E+xNyGq5T466a/roLMeuuSZ86GaDFDDFQdkg1JmKEjTyC6bHY2hY/Kc3CfdDN3bKKqZHzIrNj4ZG4mlU4tcW1CKZcBWLeIL4= -Received: by 10.36.39.14 with SMTP id m14mr4387561nzm; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:24:20 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [AxiomDownload] - <44450E71.2060003@hemmecke.de> - <200604181615.k3IGFFI11497@localhost.localdomain> - <44460444.60106@hemmecke.de> - <3d13dcfc0604190854t4dc40ceclf0313b3e0abe4d2a@mail.gmail.com> - <44466064.30508@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Ralf, @@ -24145,47 +14158,11 @@ diff -Naur orig/b/f modified/b/f I'm for peace in SCM war. ;-) -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFTj-0001w0-AJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFTh-0001v9-Ip - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWFTg-0001uS-PR - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWFTg-0001uI-Ea - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWFUp-0007xI-23 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:25:39 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3JGOD22001084; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F0E7F404; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:24:15 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3JGIpo12307; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:18:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:18:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:57:32 +0200) -Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message - when building aldor interface - <444601A5.10507@hemmecke.de> - <1145460944.3716.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <44465DEC.1060303@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: "Please add new attributes" message when building aldor interface > I hope this all goes away soon. I have already started to move the Java > code to Aldor. Unfortunately, I have not made progress since several @@ -24213,47 +14190,11 @@ make it work. send patch files. make it work. send patch files. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWGdx-0005BR-Gq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:39:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWGdw-0005AJ-6Q - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:39:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWGdu-00059O-QQ - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:39:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWGdu-00059D-Hl - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:39:06 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWGex-0006X3-Am - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:40:12 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3JHco42032438 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:38:50 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3JHcol0032435; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:38:50 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:38:50 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - <20060419141651.76291.qmail@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2" -Cc: list - - ---7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 C Y [Cliff Yapp] wrote: > The problem of making a bibtex file into a pamphlet file is going to be @@ -24264,10 +14205,10 @@ C Y [Cliff Yapp] wrote: > bibliographies. JabRef would be far and away my preference - it is the > leading open source solution that I am aware of, and I'm hoping its > Groups feature could be used somehow to manage things: ->=20 +> > http://jabref.sourceforge.net/ > http://jabref.sourceforge.net/images/Jabref-ScreenShot-MainWindow.png ->=20 +> > but if we do use such a tool we have the problem of its being designed > to work with bibtex, not bibtex in pamphlet :-/. @@ -24291,7 +14232,7 @@ the Bibliography Archetype -- same as Axiom Portal: ). Maybe I have missed it but I do not see a way to search the bibliography. Furthermore when viewing a bibliography entry it does not give you a concise identifier for each paper that you can \cite{}, -unless you go export to bibtex, then examine the output. =20 +unless you go export to bibtex, then examine the output. I would like to add search and \cite{} capability from wiki pages. This would allow discussion of papers, and even back-references on the wiki! @@ -24313,12 +14254,12 @@ identifier for \cite{} without having to open a new browser window. > constitute a volume all by itself. We'll need intelligent ways to > merge, sort, and manage this process. I guess I would propose this as > a rough draft: ->=20 +> > 1. Create and maintain a central bibliography, starting with the > Nelson Beebe axiom.bib file as a beginning. Pamphlet authors would be > encouraged to use the citations already present if they want to cite an > existing paper. ->=20 +> > 2. Each new pamphlet will undoubtedly cite papers and other works not > included in the main axiom.bib file. They will most likely either > append these new entries on to the end of axiom.bib or maintain a @@ -24378,60 +14319,11 @@ or look into it, please do! For now the software I'm building on is the CMF Bibliography Archetype: http://plone.org/events/sprints/paderborn/BibliographyTeam --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell=20 - ---7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFERnWqjwioWRGe9K0RAmt2AKCZ8DCZJvA9DC8fZRjKRPfFxad79gCglKrh -9tJpdBf9idU7x+nmPV5vXNY= -=maQY ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWHyf-00045u-Uk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:04:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWHyd-000455-UM - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:04:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWHyd-00044e-0x - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:04:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWHyc-00044Y-Ru - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:04:34 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.183] (helo=web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWHzm-0005nr-H6 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:05:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 67202 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 19:04:33 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=X4YKVbteDCXUg07Q/tBI+Xr/IHWKlsxDe9AwnawFHFcO+FuEVXIyOISL6hXydqhrnVIqEOnAZJh/ZrgZ3Hnd9nv1ziKw2rxJcBsFVsdImxku1RIJ/E+l+Evp/vBoUqqImAk7ZE1gq0za71LE6ykhdWOeVgPhTZQtKeQWeFepvwE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:04:33 PDT +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography To: Bob McElrath -Cc: list - ---- Bob McElrath wrote: +Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography > C Y [Cliff Yapp] wrote: > > JabRef would be far and away my @@ -24605,48 +14497,11 @@ own." We should also decide on one convention for identifiers (and quality standards) on papers where we need to create our own bibtex entry - the pamphlet files themselves being an obvious example. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIDF-0001Ic-Ge - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:19:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIDD-0001Hu-LM - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:19:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIDA-0001Fi-6J - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:19:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWIDA-0001Fc-2n - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:19:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWIEK-0006lz-FB - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3JJJSbg009092; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:19:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDF87F407; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:19:28 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3JJE1N12361; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:14:01 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:14:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:04:33 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography -Cc: list > > 5. IIRC there is some way to process bib files as TeX documents? > > > If so we can make the bibliography file available on the wiki like @@ -24665,47 +14520,15 @@ the annotations. Annotations are a great way to collect wisdom about various papers from previous readers so you can decide if the reference is related to your effort. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIMd-0004Au-Vt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:29:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIMc-0004Ao-Bx - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:29:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIMa-0004AZ-P0 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:29:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWIMa-0004AW-JH - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:29:20 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWINk-0007mM-W8 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:30:33 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0509.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 950AF1C0029F - for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:29:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-33-182.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr - [81.53.16.182]) - by mwinf0509.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 681981C00284; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:29:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FWINJ-0001b3-T1; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:30:05 +0200 +Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:30:05 +0200 +From: David Mentre To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - <200604191914.k3JJE1N12361@localhost.localdomain> -From: David Mentre -Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:30:05 +0200 - (Tim Daly's - message of "Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:14:01 -0400") -Cc: list Hello Tim, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I'm a big fan of annotated bibliographies. We could create a bib volume > that would generate the bibtex file as well as a document that contains @@ -24723,89 +14546,25 @@ Wouldn't it be simpler to write a latex/pamphlet file with needed As an added bonus, such a pamphlet file could be used on the Axiom web site through Bill's machinery. -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIT9-0005yz-VH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:36:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIT8-0005y2-TR - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:36:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIT7-0005vR-86 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWIT7-0005vI-4M - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:36:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWIUH-0008Jf-Iy - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:17 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3JJZuSV031692; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:35:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F637F404; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:35:56 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3JJUTR12377; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:30:29 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:30:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Mentre - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:30:05 +0200) Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - <200604191914.k3JJE1N12361@localhost.localdomain> - <87irp5e536.fsf@linux-france.org> -Cc: list excellent point. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIZu-0001ja-L5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:43:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIZs-0001jV-LY - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:43:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWIZq-0001jJ-8c - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:43:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWIZq-0001jG-29 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:43:02 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWIb0-0000Pu-De - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:44:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail 4859 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2006 19:43:00 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Scg0J2w6sZlG0MWuTi5e+SLg4dH6GQ7IsAHNeH0tU5NAmMUjaByc8UrN0xbEs06L/S4H/91yi65judExk0xWEiODg7soiUq185RqlyuzYZgCDyz/GvZXG/Ojm/9lOgcb+ZEYZvgQEe82Wq+L01tI8JJt05DThSpWxXHvHOd1bD8= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:43:00 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography To: David Mentre, Tim Daly -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography --- David Mentre wrote: > Hello Tim, > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > > I'm a big fan of annotated bibliographies. We could create a bib > volume @@ -24833,45 +14592,11 @@ With hyperref, the pdf should even be clickable. Nice, nice solution. I was too focused on trying to shoehorn the annotations into the bibtex file itself. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJQV-0002yV-63 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJQS-0002wr-Nr - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJQQ-0002wP-Qi - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWJQQ-0002wM-O3 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:37:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWJRb-0005PX-K6 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:38:35 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3JKbIRi019421 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:37:18 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:35:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - <200604191914.k3JJE1N12361@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Did you know that BibTeX does not impose a restriction on the fields names that are used inside a bibentry? Everything is decided by the @@ -24904,42 +14629,14 @@ On 04/19/2006 09:14 PM, root wrote: > various papers from previous readers so you can decide if the reference > is related to your effort. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJam-0007nZ-6D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:48:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJak-0007nA-Jb - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:48:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJah-0007mx-Tv - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:48:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWJah-0007mu-Mj - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:47:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWJbr-0006Uw-IC - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:49:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A66CB6E6E2; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:47:54 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8DEAD6E6D6; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:47:51 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:47:50 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Axiom bibliography -Thread-Index: AcZj2DyUj9HXFuyGRvOEg+SwthGxzQAFZkog From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography On Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:39 PM Bob McElrath wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Right now I have an experimental Plone site (because of > the existence of the Bibliography Archetype -- same as > Axiom Portal: @@ -24962,25 +14659,25 @@ It is easy to generate a URL that does a search of all bibliograph entries. For example the following search finds all entries containing the word "polynomial": -http://portal.axiom-developer.org/search?SearchableText=3Dpolynomial&port= +http://portal.axiom-developer.org/search?SearchableText=polynomial&port= a -l_type%3Alist=3DArticleReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DBookReference&porta= +l_type%3Alist=ArticleReference&portal_type%3Alist=BookReference&porta= l_t -ype%3Alist=3DBookletReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DInbookReference&portal= +ype%3Alist=BookletReference&portal_type%3Alist=InbookReference&portal= _ty -pe%3Alist=3DIncollectionReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DInproceedingsRefer= +pe%3Alist=IncollectionReference&portal_type%3Alist=InproceedingsRefer= enc -e&portal_type%3Alist=3DManualReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DMastersthesis= +e&portal_type%3Alist=ManualReference&portal_type%3Alist=Mastersthesis= Ref -erence&portal_type%3Alist=3DMiscReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DPhdthesisR= +erence&portal_type%3Alist=MiscReference&portal_type%3Alist=PhdthesisR= efe -rence&portal_type%3Alist=3DPreprintReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DProceed= +rence&portal_type%3Alist=PreprintReference&portal_type%3Alist=Proceed= ing -sReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DTechreportReference&portal_type%3Alist=3D= +sReference&portal_type%3Alist=TechreportReference&portal_type%3Alist== Unp -ublishedReference&portal_type%3Alist=3DWebpublishedReference&Creator=3D&s= +ublishedReference&portal_type%3Alist=WebpublishedReference&Creator=&s= ubm -it=3DSearch +it=Search Note: The above is all one long URL. Most email programs will split this into multiple lines that must be re-joined before @@ -25003,8 +14700,8 @@ m will provide the full bibtex entry. ->=20 -> I would like to add search and \cite{} capability from wiki=20 +> +> I would like to add search and \cite{} capability from wiki > pages. This would allow discussion of papers, and even > back-references on the wiki! It would be super-sweet if the > search could be done in a sidebar, next to the edit window, @@ -25020,7 +14717,7 @@ Supposed in an Axiom wiki page I write: Blah, blah. Polynomial\cite{axiombib/Duval1992EPS} are treated ... -In this case what will we see rendered on the page?=20 +In this case what will we see rendered on the page? 1 Polynomial are treated ... @@ -25035,41 +14732,11 @@ which in turn is hyperlinked to full reference at http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs/axiombib/Duval1992EPS ----------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJc1-0007uj-El - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:49:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJc0-0007ue-CZ - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:49:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWJbz-0007uG-Qz - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:49:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWJbz-0007u5-Iz - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:49:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWJdA-0006d9-HQ - for list; 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- Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:52:27 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:52:27 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - Cliff Yapp, list - <4446A26E.1070005@hemmecke.de> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="U+NfgObvpQT1Q9Yq" -Cc: list ---U+NfgObvpQT1Q9Yq - Ralf Hemmecke [Ralf Hemmecke] wrote: > Well yes, if hyperref is included then also that should be clickable, > but it would probably be more like an annotated bibliography than the @@ -25222,68 +14824,11 @@ list of other wiki pages/pamphlets. But formatting of the footnote is a detail that can be customized, and argued in the future when it works. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---U+NfgObvpQT1Q9Yq - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFERrEbjwioWRGe9K0RAiIpAJ9Zc3FS+Gm65X3cz6c9M0T176fGWgCcDU7a -2dpjMvBx75a8R9Hc+ucbVpk= -=kKxE ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---U+NfgObvpQT1Q9Yq-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKhP-0004XH-2z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:58:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKhN-0004VG-OP - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:58:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKhK-0004R7-VP - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:58:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWKhK-0004Qp-QT - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:58:54 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWKiW-0005zT-CN - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:00:08 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3JLwnJb002061 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:58:49 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3JLwndH002058; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:58:49 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:58:49 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - Tim Daly, list - <200604191914.k3JJE1N12361@localhost.localdomain> - <44469F08.4070005@hemmecke.de> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vIXBmblrD40XNCy4" -Cc: list - - ---vIXBmblrD40XNCy4 Ralf Hemmecke [Ralf Hemmecke] wrote: > Did you know that BibTeX does not impose a restriction on the fields @@ -25317,67 +14862,18 @@ people have chosen different and incompatible ways to do it. But on the other hand their databases are generally open, so one can interrogate a server when you get an identifier that isn't in your .bib. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---vIXBmblrD40XNCy4 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFERrKZjwioWRGe9K0RAhSZAKCY7Qgwtos9fM2wgVZuDTd5XmwWpQCffEgT -tb0m2JmBtj+KAcW8hGLy+OQ= -=+M7q ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---vIXBmblrD40XNCy4-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKiR-0006dx-Eq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:00:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKiP-0006ZG-57 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:00:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKiN-0006VQ-7P - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:00:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWKiN-0006Ue-0C - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:59:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWKjY-0006Ra-Ro - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:01:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3D01F6EAA9; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:59:58 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 96CF86EA99; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:59:56 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:59:56 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Axiom bibliography -Thread-Index: AcZj2DyUj9HXFuyGRvOEg+SwthGxzQAFZkogAAN6o7A= From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography On Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:48 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > It is easy to generate a URL that does a search of all > bibliograph entries. For example the following search finds > all entries containing the word "polynomial": -> ...=20 +> ... It might be easier to use the 'path' option on the search instead of listing all of the bibiography types since only @@ -25385,57 +14881,21 @@ bibliography entries will be present in the 'axiombib' folder. E.g. This query returns a list of Axiom references that have 'Buchberger' in the title: -http://portal.axiom-developer.org/search?Title=3DBuchberger&path=3D/Plone= +http://portal.axiom-developer.org/search?Title=Buchberger&path=/Plone= /re -fs/axiombib&submit=3DSearch +fs/axiombib&submit=Search Similarly you can search only for Reduce references: -http://portal.axiom-developer.org/search?Title=3DBuchberger&path=3D/Plone= +http://portal.axiom-developer.org/search?Title=Buchberger&path=/Plone= /re -fs/redbib&submit=3DSearch - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - +fs/redbib&submit=Search \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKw6-0004Xz-B5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:14:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKw4-0004XK-Hs - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:14:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWKw3-0004Ws-OU - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:14:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWKw3-0004Wl-Iy - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:14:07 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWKxF-0000FC-FH - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:15:21 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3JME6qW002228 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:14:06 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3JME5Hd002225; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:14:05 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:14:05 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - list, Cliff Yapp - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tV/+6PImfyFtriLg" -Cc: list - - ---tV/+6PImfyFtriLg Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > > I would like to add search and \cite{} capability from wiki @@ -25506,60 +14966,11 @@ place. If you want to process a pamphlet in latex it's easy enough to extract the bibtex entries used and export them. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---tV/+6PImfyFtriLg - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFERrYtjwioWRGe9K0RAhkEAJ9n5fFqx5ztwu/qLU7rzgDTVFaEPACfXCuE -1s14sxpLcwayezur9cTDLuk= -=M/rN ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---tV/+6PImfyFtriLg-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWLRx-0000RN-6s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:47:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWLRv-0000Qu-Tw - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:47:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWLRu-0000Q5-6S - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:47:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWLRt-0000Py-T0 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:47:01 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWLT6-0002cA-2e - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:48:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0746C73C52; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:47:01 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 83E4973C50; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:46:58 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography +\start Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:46:57 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Axiom bibliography -Thread-Index: AcZj/pre3edegoiIQXqnqy2fYRf0TAAAlqPg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: Axiom bibliography > ... But furthermore the page displayed at: > http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs/axiombib/Duval1992EPS @@ -25567,7 +14978,7 @@ Cc: list > database which would let me download the paper. It has only a cryptic > journal citation. I think one would have to be an expert in the field > to decode j-IFIP-TRANS-A <#j-IFIP-TRANS-A> A-2:133\u2013141, 143. ->=20 +> As you know the contents of a bibtex entry is up to whoever wrote the entry. In this case Nelson Beebe has a particular "standard @@ -25595,39 +15006,11 @@ http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs/axiombib/webpublishedreference.20 Google? ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWPSC-0001tZ-Oo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:03:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWPSB-0001tD-Dg - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:03:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWPSA-0001sV-83 - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:03:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWPS9-0001sN-Sh - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:03:33 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWPTO-0005Rl-Co - for list; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:04:50 -0400 -Received: (qmail 73348 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2006 03:03:32 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=IYQMwwRTdD2lwSh/Bc41jSK5dYMUK+xD9b1vE9e/RtPs8wAO5G9UG6+rHyzjyc5eJTB4XwAz0as9tQYG1DYjVPSUvOZWgymWBi599/iXov/dXV4CdGxL1j6py5b6JyXu3/BusTT3J8WhHlw/CbrrCF+aQCq5td3itgXjCY3LvsI= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:03:32 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography To: Bob McElrath, Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography --- Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -25699,46 +15082,12 @@ updated periodically will be the best compromise - we always have something that works locally (also for offline editing, which does happen), but it is kept current with developments elsewhere. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWTP6-0001nd-TV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:16:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWTP4-0001nB-Tr - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:16:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWTP2-0001m7-Qx - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:16:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWTP2-0001ls-Ak - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:16:36 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.207] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWTQJ-0005vT-IZ - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:17:55 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so75552nzf - for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:34 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=sel1Zrt2bhMk8vW4VZj3PE8T1hGyH1Q4GRZHVvUn8UZwfqtEPQ+vLh64BVMaFGUwzMpGUtfmCzYGUnyUJcmxhk/pmFea444/wdOg7EEp0mmnDv4IkJdWjF6DEEp7ClRIPf1NYbBTztEimoBKpqHjNenQnpl29m8KRfcD+dQeGHM= -Received: by 10.36.135.3 with SMTP id i3mr375049nzd; - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:34 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:16:34 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:16:34 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Benjamin Kosnik , - axiom-developer +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom and linux distros +Cc: Benjamin Kosnik Hello Gaby, @@ -25765,48 +15114,14 @@ the packaging is "easy" enough though. Best wishes, d. -[1] http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=3Dnames&= -version=3Dall&exact=3D1&keywords=3Daxiom - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWTZM-00060r-Qj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:27:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWTZJ-0005zB-13 - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:27:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWTZH-0005yo-0H - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:27:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWTZG-0005yk-Qh - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:27:10 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWTaY-0006ho-1d - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:28:30 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3K7R8Oe006146 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:27:08 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3K7R8KE006142; - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:27:08 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +[1] http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&= +version=all&exact=1&keywords=axiom + +\start Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:27:08 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - Bill Page, list - <20060420030332.73346.qmail@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T7mxYSe680VjQnyC" -Cc: list - - ---T7mxYSe680VjQnyC C Y [Cliff Yapp] wrote: > > The contents of the \cite{} should identify the @@ -25851,53 +15166,10 @@ database would suck. If that happened though we'd still have the local database of references *used* on the site. We just wouldn't be able to obtain new ones. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---T7mxYSe680VjQnyC - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFERzfMjwioWRGe9K0RAmtlAKCZ9ZEf9UckEEIk7hKB6K1DM4OugwCggQWx -MYk/YlDMAKA3oJ3A0uHqC3w= -=e07h ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---T7mxYSe680VjQnyC-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWVYp-0004ci-KC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:34:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWVYm-0004cD-Rd - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:34:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWVYl-0004bN-Qh - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:34:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWVYl-0004bB-Kw - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:34:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWVa4-0000ut-32 - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:36:08 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3K9VGA3094792; - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:31:18 +0200 (CEST) -To: Martin Rubey -From: Martin Rubey +\start Date: 20 Apr 2006 11:36:25 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: [ANN] Axiom Workshop 2006 -- Final Announcement Dear all, @@ -25938,11 +15210,8 @@ Saturday, April 29 10:00 A. Hersen Implementing a hierarchy of Recurrences 11:00 Workshop III: Presentation of Results - - I hope to see you soon, - Martin Rubey @@ -26023,37 +15292,11 @@ Email: Martin Rubey Homepage: http://axiom-developer.org/workshop - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWZMU-0004eh-SN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:38:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWZMT-0004ea-AN - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:38:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWZMS-0004eO-QE - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:38:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWZMS-0004eL-Kj - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:38:20 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWZNn-0006E8-Gn - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:39:43 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22601 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2006 13:38:19 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=zrqZpecbPdynXZ3ApKmZ/IyUGYHB5Ki1j4lvQgbzXRaIIwQoxT74J/KzSnVPqasgduYPTgskE2zYKSB7R3T7EtpiGSHlNNgsA0eS1qWyyMitEUv58a8tUgXn10MbzDt6yMTfYTuYOdKg2QN9jILZtLWKk4NP1KltkyCcVhQ+XVE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:38:19 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography To: Bob McElrath -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography --- Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -26158,44 +15401,11 @@ entries, in order to spot dead links? OK, I get it now. Sounds great! -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWcaG-00049x-BI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:04:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWcQH-0006rD-II - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWcQF-0006qR-Jb - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWcQF-0006qN-H8 - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:27 -0400 -Received: from [66.187.233.31] (helo=mx1.redhat.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWcRc-0008TR-B9 - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:55:52 -0400 -Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com - [172.16.52.254]) - by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k3KGsHHq027432; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:17 -0400 -Received: from potter.sfbay.redhat.com (potter.sfbay.redhat.com [172.16.27.15]) - by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id - k3KGsHFj005389; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:17 -0400 -Received: from wells.artheist.org (vpn50-16.rdu.redhat.com [172.16.50.16]) - by potter.sfbay.redhat.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3KGsBTq007345; - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:54:13 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:54:10 -0500 -From: Benjamin Kosnik +From: Benjamin Kosnik To: David Mentre - <3d13dcfc0604200016n7adff697safcece91506a171b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom and linux distros - > Could you detail this point? By "cross-compilation", do you really > mean like compiling on architecture i386 for arch ppc64? Why? @@ -26264,47 +15436,11 @@ often times ppc64 hardware is unavailable, or slow. This is a pretty common requirement. --benjamin - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWdHI-0006Bx-Lu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:49:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWdHH-0006BU-FB - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:49:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWdHG-0006Az-HR - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:49:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWdHG-0006Au-DT - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:49:14 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWdId-0004gT-ES - for list; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:50:39 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3KHnBJ1011491 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:49:11 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3KHnA7I011488; - Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:49:10 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:49:10 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - Bill Page, list - <20060420133819.22599.qmail@web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FeAIMMcddNRN4P4/" -Cc: list - - ---FeAIMMcddNRN4P4/ C Y [Cliff Yapp] wrote: > I take it we aren't going to worry too much about a particular paper @@ -26378,70 +15514,11 @@ cares what that string is? 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This completely eliminates the need for noweave. -Comments? - -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWnrW-000144-6u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:07:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWnrT-00013w-Dx - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:07:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWnrR-00013k-Hu - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:07:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWnrR-00013h-AU - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:07:17 -0400 -Received: from [193.124.167.24] (helo=inpbox.inp.nsk.su) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWnsv-00076f-0e - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:08:49 -0400 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su ([193.124.167.6]) - by inpbox.inp.nsk.su with esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1FWnrB-0004te-WA; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:07:02 +0700 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L571kv030760; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:07:01 +0700 -Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k3L570sV030752; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:07:01 +0700 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:07:00 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: size issue with noweb -Cc: list On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, root wrote: > In particular, I'm beginning to think that we could use latex @@ -26630,81 +15640,23 @@ I think this is a very good idea. I'd only propose to use because the parameter is not optional. -Andrey - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWnvx-0001sG-TW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWnvw-0001qs-3L - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWnvv-0001qd-C5 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWnvv-0001qW-1i - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWnxP-0007Tb-5Q - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:13:27 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3L5BhNV003072; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:48 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD5A7F404; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3L56Gd13432; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:06:16 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:06:16 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Andrey G. Grozin - (Andrey G. Grozin) Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - -Cc: list excellent point. this would be a two-pass process similar to the handling of \cite{} -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWp0V-0006tF-MQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:20:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWp0U-0006sn-I9 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:20:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWp0S-0006rQ-2i - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:20:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWp0R-0006rN-VH - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:20:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWp1w-0003QK-4A - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:22:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3L6KAGi039450; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:20:29 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 21 Apr 2006 08:25:22 +0200 To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [ANN] Axiom Workshop 2006 -- Final Announcement - <85y7y0pp0m.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <200604201310.k3KDASF13167@localhost.localdomain> From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 Apr 2006 08:25:22 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: [ANN] Axiom Workshop 2006 -- Final Announcement -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Martin, > @@ -26730,44 +15682,15 @@ Ralf Hemmecke's work is available through his homepage. Antoine Hersen will do so after the workshop, I suppose. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWq0E-0001T5-Fe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:24:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWq0D-0001T0-9X - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:24:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWq0B-0001RF-It - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:24:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWq0B-0001Qu-Ev - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:24:27 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.207] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWq1g-00080Z-Sh - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:26:01 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 14so318692nzn - for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:24:26 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=T+ZDbAyOcovzW0ZyCeLgGxiC8kyOOc4BMRp+OAJPjlNQA1aU7X+bJL5jkcwaTT6mvqi4N97MnJ9tCOe6BV9KhL4iDke2dDVxjxzuK/fc7Iq7AuaFIQNaY0WFpdxGnMQPNKl+nA0LyiEIzSvq+0CAceg3wCzveHddCG54MPCzaJ4= -Received: by 10.36.134.3 with SMTP id h3mr1947711nzd; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:24:26 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:24:26 +0200 From: David Mentre To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: size issue with noweb -Cc: list Hello Tim, -2006/4/21, root Tim Daly: +2006/4/21, Tim Daly: > The process takes 20 seconds on a 3.2Ghz processor. > 16 of those seconds (80% of the total time) involve noweb. @@ -26801,7 +15724,7 @@ performance penalty is syntax related (ok, I've just understood that this syntax change would eliminate the noweave processing)? -> <>=3D +> <>= > foo > @ > @@ -26830,44 +15753,11 @@ Python or Perl to apply automatically this transformation. Just one point: does noweave apply a specific treatment to "[[ ]]" marks or is it handled by latex macros? -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWr74-0002Rd-SM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:35:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWr73-0002RY-6H - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:35:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWr71-0002R5-Ol - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:35:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWr71-0002R2-MA - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:35:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWr8X-0004y7-N3 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:37:09 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3L8ZPgS026284; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:35:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F747F403; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:35:26 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3L8TxC13833; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:29:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:29:59 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Mentre - (David Mentre) Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list the idea is that we could eliminate noweave as a function by using latex markup to specify the syntax. that eliminates @@ -26899,40 +15789,12 @@ and reduced the i/o costs below measurable values. noweb uses a lot of awk-sed processing rather than a single C program and i think the process does not scale. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrCV-00052z-8r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:41:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrCS-00050a-2U - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:41:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrCO-0004wz-Kd - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:41:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWrCO-0004wl-CZ - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:41:08 -0400 -Received: from [218.40.30.107] (helo=smtp10.tiki.ne.jp) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWrDt-0005NE-Qj - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:42:42 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.5] (pl370.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp - [210.136.183.114]) (authenticated bits=0) - by smtp10.tiki.ne.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3L8etYS081036 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:40:56 +0900 (JST) - (envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp) - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> -From: Jean-Christophe Helary -Subject: Re: size issue with noweb Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:40:54 +0900 +From: Jean-Christophe Helary To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre +Subject: Re: size issue with noweb +Cc: David Mentre Tim, @@ -26946,9 +15808,6 @@ for emacs I found the highest barrier to localization is the fact that the code and the documentation are pretty much one and the same in literate programming. Or Am I misunderstanding something ? -Regards, -Jean-Christophe Helary - On 2006/04/21, at 17:29, root wrote: > the idea is that we could eliminate noweave as a function @@ -26957,45 +15816,12 @@ On 2006/04/21, at 17:29, root wrote: > that pamphlets are simply latex documents with a special style > file and can be processed without noweb. - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrT4-0003fD-4h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrT1-0003di-LR - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrSy-0003ax-AV - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWrSx-0003ak-Vt - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWrUT-0006uO-V7 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:59:50 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3L8w7lf007426; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4757F40F; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:58:07 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3L8qeB13853; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:52:40 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:52:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp - from Jean-Christophe Helary on Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:40:54 +0900) +From: Tim Daly +To: Jean-Christophe Helary Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre > > On a related note, I was wondering if such self documenting processes @@ -27029,95 +15855,35 @@ so there are at least 4 different levels of translation that would need to occur. personally i'd take them in the order listed as that moves from the largest audience down to the smallest. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrWw-00045D-8u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:02:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrWu-000451-Ne - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:02:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrWq-00044p-9x - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:02:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWrWp-00044m-TB - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:02:15 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.36] (helo=smtp6-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWrYM-0007B3-0a - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:03:50 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8B8214B7 - for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:02:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FWrWo-0001Mw-00 - for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:02:14 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:02:14 +0200 To: list -Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - From: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: Re: size issue with noweb Hi, On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 05:40:54PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: -> On a related note, I was wondering if such self documenting processes =20 -> would not make the translation/localization a order of magnitude more =20 +> On a related note, I was wondering if such self documenting processes +> would not make the translation/localization a order of magnitude more > difficult ? Actually, getting rid of noweb and replacing it with regular latex syntax would make axiom books much easier to translate with tools like po4a (see -http://lehobey-rennes.dyndns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=3Ddoc:axiom:traduct= +http://lehobey-rennes.dyndns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=doc:axiom:traduct= ion#utiliser_po4a from my message of Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Message-ID: <20060307175300.GB7310@melusine>). Books are not the whole story though. -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrhk-0007uk-TT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:13:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrhi-0007se-9Y - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:13:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrhf-0007rV-FJ - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:13:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWrhf-0007rS-A3 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:13:27 -0400 -Received: from [218.40.30.106] (helo=smtp9.tiki.ne.jp) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FWrjB-0007s0-D3 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.5] (pl370.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp - [210.136.183.114]) (authenticated bits=0) - by smtp9.tiki.ne.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3L9DM8n073535 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:13:23 +0900 (JST) - (envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp) - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - - <20060421090214.GC4238@melusine> -From: Jean-Christophe Helary -Subject: Re: size issue with noweb Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:13:20 +0900 +From: Jean-Christophe Helary To: list +Subject: Re: size issue with noweb Thanks for the links Frederic. @@ -27127,7 +15893,7 @@ On 2006/04/21, at 18:02, Frederic Lehobey wrote: > Hi, > -> On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 05:40:54PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary =20 +> On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 05:40:54PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary > wrote: > >> On a related note, I was wondering if such self documenting processes @@ -27137,61 +15903,22 @@ On 2006/04/21, at 18:02, Frederic Lehobey wrote: > Actually, getting rid of noweb and replacing it with regular latex > syntax would make axiom books much easier to translate with tools like > po4a (see -> http://lehobey-rennes.dyndns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?=20 -> id=3Ddoc:axiom:traduction#utiliser_po4a +> http://lehobey-rennes.dyndns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php? +> id=doc:axiom:traduction#utiliser_po4a > from my message of Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Message-ID: > <20060307175300.GB7310@melusine>). > > Books are not the whole story though. -> -> Best regards, -> Fr=E9d=E9ric -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrx6-00053Y-Ug - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:29:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrx5-00053S-2j - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:29:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWrx3-00053D-JX - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:29:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWrx3-00053A-EC - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:29:21 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWryZ-0000lQ-88 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:30:55 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 14so339799nzn - for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:29:20 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=rSCIaU0E1ofaveKeF9r7sV19gieQzAJwwtPxoCvzyjSPpBwt1KVTByZSLg0pl5xacrLIslFZj5iwBOjGSN58Jf41MV1UJ1gmZD2LkUIPddFpDNmRko4TUV+ugltCyzwC3fEzV9pMmxHy/lxC/XSYeacxTj7t4N6cCp8mjbEY1V4= -Received: by 10.36.81.3 with SMTP id e3mr608265nzb; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:29:20 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.134.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:29:19 +0200 From: David Mentre To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Tim, -2006/4/21, root Tim Daly: +2006/4/21, Tim Daly: > the idea is that we could eliminate noweave as a function > by using latex markup to specify the syntax. that eliminates > one half of the noweb functionality. @@ -27235,42 +15962,16 @@ think DTrace has been recently ported to Linux. In practical terms, beside just comments, do you need help on the code? I could give a try to a notangle in Common Lisp but you would be probably much more efficient than me (and the code would probably be -cleaner :-) . However, I could try to write a noweb->new-latex-syntax=20 +cleaner :-) . However, I could try to write a noweb->new-latex-syntax filter in Python. What do you think of it? -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWw6h-0003Lw-6s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:55:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWw6f-0003Li-Dc - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:55:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWw6e-0003LW-Ox - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:55:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWw6e-0003LT-LP - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:55:32 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.230] (helo=S4.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWw8D-0000ls-GF - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:57:09 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.117.100.92]) - by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 55035203 - for multiple; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:40:06 -0700 +Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:55:25 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: size issue with noweb -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:55:25 -0500 - of "Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:44:55 -0400") -Cc: list - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: ... > In particular, I'm beginning to think that we could use latex > syntax for chunks as in: @@ -27306,47 +16007,11 @@ similar. (I later hacked that into EMaxima.) <> was still <>, though. I like \chunk{chunkname} better. The notangle part of TeX/Mathematica was written in Elisp, though. -Jay - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWy3c-0007kU-3u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWy3Z-0007jR-Kz - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FWy3X-0007ir-Tz - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWy3X-0007ik-ET - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FWy57-0003gT-DQ - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:02:05 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3LG0ChN023947; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:00:15 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387447F57D; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:47:31 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3LFg3m14028; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:42:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:42:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Mentre - (David Mentre) Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - <3d13dcfc0604210229n3c8dad24i3df0a4c2e8360123@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list > In practical terms, beside just comments, do you need help on the > code? I could give a try to a notangle in Common Lisp but you would be @@ -27365,36 +16030,11 @@ to be instantaneous. there is nothing like a large project to foster tool development :-) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX06z-0008P9-Rw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:12:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX06y-0008Oh-0d - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:12:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX06v-0008OA-6P - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:12:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX06u-0008Nw-SJ - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:12:04 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FX08W-00088i-HJ - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:13:44 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3LIBa0d027462; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:11:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: -Subject: RE: size issue with noweb Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:11:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: RE: size issue with noweb Cc: David Mentre On April 21, 2006 11:42 AM Tim Daly (root) wrote: @@ -27486,46 +16126,12 @@ of an "outline" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_%28editor%29 -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX1L2-0007Bq-9O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX1L0-00079L-9O - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX1Ky-000799-G8 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX1Ky-000796-Ao - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FX1Ma-0005cX-OM - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:32:20 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3LJUOnx012756; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898FF7F404; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:30:24 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3LJOt114130; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:55 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: size issue with noweb -Cc: dtroeger@cssfs0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu, list, - David Mentre +Cc: Douglas Troeger, David Mentre > > until this massive project settles down i don't have the time to > > undertake the project. at some point the little slices of noweb @@ -27609,46 +16215,11 @@ working with real, industrial strength tools. We'll shortly have a 1THz processor with 1TByte of memory. Why limit our thinking to 1960s technology? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX3CR-0004lD-9d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:29:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX3CQ-0004jp-3Z - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:29:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX3CP-0004ip-99 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:29:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX3CP-0004ik-4p - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:29:57 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.31] (helo=smtp11.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FX3E2-0006UO-Et - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:31:38 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 88B8C1C0008D - for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:29:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-165-234.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr - [86.214.76.234]) - by mwinf1106.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 390181C0008A; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:29:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FX3D7-00025U-RC; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:30:41 +0200 +Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:30:41 +0200 To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - <3d13dcfc0604210229n3c8dad24i3df0a4c2e8360123@mail.gmail.com> From: David Mentre -Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:30:41 +0200 - (David MENTRE's message of "Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:29:19 +0200") -Cc: list - ---=-=-= +Subject: Re: size issue with noweb Tim, @@ -27678,7 +16249,7 @@ If you find the result safe enough, could you send it to me? Best wishes, d. -- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage +David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage --=-=-= @@ -27754,47 +16325,11 @@ def obfuscate_file(filename): obfuscate_file(sys.argv[1]) ---=-=-=-- - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX4VX-0001pV-Ld - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX4VW-0001or-Pl - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX4VV-0001o0-6T - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX4VU-0001nt-UD - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FX4X9-0003gd-5y - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:55:27 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3LMrUwZ027862; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C2A7F404; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:30 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3LMm0114228; - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:00 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Mentre - Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:30:41 +0200) Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - <3d13dcfc0604210229n3c8dad24i3df0a4c2e8360123@mail.gmail.com> - <871wvqty4e.fsf@linux-france.org> -Cc: list umm, that would probably be unwise in the extreme. you and i know that it's obfuscated but that's a detail that would be overlooked by @@ -27803,37 +16338,10 @@ human resources. try consing together a few dozen axiom files. that should be large enough to show the effect. and it is valid input. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX4sr-0003yD-AV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:17:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX4so-0003xT-V1 - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:17:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FX4sm-0003w8-7X - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:17:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FX4sm-0003w3-2D - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:17:48 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=smtp4.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FX4uQ-0005or-GG - for list; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:19:30 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 70D4D1C0032A - for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:17:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-46-45.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-46-45.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.200.45]) - by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 138071C00326; - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:17:45 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Timothy Daly Tim Daly Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:17:56 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly Subject: Status of bugs on IssueTracker Hi Tim, @@ -27842,10 +16350,6 @@ Can you look at the following issues when time permits ? Some of them can probably be closed. -Cheers, - -Greg - # old (?) pending status =========================================================== @@ -27918,35 +16422,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/151EnvironmentVariableAXIOM #277 Patches for GCL on Linux http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/277PatchesForGCLOnLinux - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXBJL-0001Vk-9f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXBJJ-0001VR-FP - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXBJH-0001VF-Ew - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXBJH-0001VC-B1 - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXBKz-00086Y-RE - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:11:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3M68s6H040247; - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:08:57 +0200 (CEST) -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Status of bugs on IssueTracker -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2006 08:14:09 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Status of bugs on IssueTracker Dear "greg", @@ -27962,148 +16442,104 @@ Martin Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hi Tim, ->=20 +> > Can you look at the following issues when time permits ? ->=20 +> > Some of them can probably be closed. ->=20 +> > Cheers, ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 +> > # old (?) pending status -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 +> ========================= +========================== +========== +> > #109 hyperdoc uncompress failed > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/109HyperdocUncompressFailed ->=20 +> > #153 make install does not install a needed libdb.text for HyperDoc > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/153MakeInstallDoesNotInstallANeededLibdbT= extForHyperDoc ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > # can probably be closed -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 -> #105 integrate(z^3000, z=3D0..1) +> ========================= +========================== +========== +> +> #105 integrate(z^3000, z=0..1) > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/105IntegrateZ3000Z01 ->=20 +> > #190 Compile fail on Fedora Core 4 > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/190CompileFailOnFedoraCore4 ->=20 +> > #127 Building axiom from source fails on my Fedora Core 3 > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/127BuildingAxiomFromSourceFailsOnMyFedora= Core3 ->=20 +> > #266 Axiom binary for Fedora Core 4 does not start properly > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/266AxiomBinaryForFedoraCore4DoesNotStartP= roperly ->=20 +> > #33 GCL fails to compile on Fedora Core 3 > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/33GCLFailsToCompileOnFedoraCore3 ->=20 +> > #28 GCL 2.6.5 on FC3 > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/28GCL265OnFC3 ->=20 +> > #30 make install: no such file or directory > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/30MakeInstallNoSuchFileOrDirectory ->=20 +> > #46 termio vs ptermio (in src/clef/edible.c) > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/46TermioVsPtermioInSrcClefEdibleC ->=20 +> > #129 patch-32 fails to display 3D graphics > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/129Patch32FailsToDisplay3DGraphics ->=20 +> > #126 /bin/sh vs /bin/bash scripting inconsistancy > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/126BinShVsBinBashScriptingInconsistancy ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > # Humm, the next ones, I don't know > ---------------------------------------------------------- ->=20 +> > #57 Databases are not copied back > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/57DatabasesAreNotCopiedBack ->=20 -> #62 make GCL=3D does not override properly +> +> #62 make GCL= does not override properly > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/62MakeGCLDoesNotOverrideProperly ->=20 +> > #80 Semantic Errors when building algebra > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/80SemanticErrorsWhenBuildingAlgebra ->=20 -> # does not crash with #196 ')set functions compile on' fixed=20 +> +> # does not crash with #196 ')set functions compile on' fixed > # but does not work. Is the code correct? > #156 Axiom crashes when compiling simple Taylor code > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/156AxiomCrashesWhenCompilingSimpleTaylorC= ode ->=20 +> > # AXIOM variable probably not set > #147 axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz fails on fedora 3 > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/147AxiomApr2005SrcTgzFailsOnFedora3 > and > #151 Environment variable AXIOM > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/151EnvironmentVariableAXIOM ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > #277 Patches for GCL on Linux > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/277PatchesForGCLOnLinux ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXCuQ-0004FT-Bc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:52:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXCuP-0004FD-Dm - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:52:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXCuO-0004EX-9P - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:52:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXCuO-0004EQ-3R - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:52:00 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.31] (helo=smtp11.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXCw7-0006bZ-JK - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:53:47 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B52731C00099 - for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-21-191.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr - [81.53.4.191]) - by mwinf1109.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 890061C0008D; - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FXCv8-0001HQ-GQ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:52:46 +0200 +Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:52:46 +0200 To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <3d13dcfc0604210024x2bdce5b2k52f2aa2b059c48b3@mail.gmail.com> - <200604210829.k3L8TxC13833@localhost.localdomain> - <3d13dcfc0604210229n3c8dad24i3df0a4c2e8360123@mail.gmail.com> - <871wvqty4e.fsf@linux-france.org> - <200604212248.k3LMm0114228@localhost.localdomain> From: David Mentre -Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:52:46 +0200 - (Tim Daly's - message of "Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:00 -0400") -Cc: list +Subject: Re: size issue with noweb Hello Tim, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > umm, that would probably be unwise in the extreme. you and i know > that it's obfuscated but that's a detail that would be overlooked by @@ -28122,48 +16558,12 @@ existed. Anyway, you have now some Python code that is able to parse noweb files. :) -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXU8v-0007kT-FS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:16:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXU8t-0007kO-H8 - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:16:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXU8r-0007kC-5G - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:16:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXU8q-0007k9-Ua - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:16:04 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.226] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXUAl-0007qs-EW - for list; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:18:03 -0400 -Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i14so806483wra - for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:16:04 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=jxhT38Ddbr1jq+7Uz/uJc7nI7Ciu7OMAKfUYSyj8Ot7KA364OUl/qFjGMFqZlppYNA0aynERgk2l6PTy3rvDmDQ6eD55sRWeDvtfdCe3FDfeyiK5TsBEAhit4B3WWuhq+GwOxKoMZEWLWpvhaSC3p6xmK8pG67ngdgvL7ge9gXI= -Received: by 10.65.43.4 with SMTP id v4mr392777qbj; - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:16:04 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.64.143.20 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:16:04 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:16:04 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - boundary="----=_Part_14681_32528426.1145758564222" - -Cc: list +To: Bill Page Subject: Latest Release -------=_Part_14681_32528426.1145758564222 - The latest build for Doyen has been released and uploaded to axiom-developer. The docs have been tested and have been used to successfully reproduced doyen on two separate machines. Please feel free to @@ -28178,58 +16578,11 @@ Wilken -- Jose Alfredo Perez -------=_Part_14681_32528426.1145758564222 - -
The latest build for Doyen has been released and = -uploaded to -axiom-developer. The docs have been tested and have been used to -successfully reproduced doyen on two separate machines. Please feel -free to test the latest iso and the build procedure for the Live-CD.
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-http:/= -/alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso
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-best regards,
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Jose Alfredo Perez - -------=_Part_14681_32528426.1145758564222-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXYuY-00024V-NA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:21:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXYuX-00024Q-Lm - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:21:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXYuW-00024D-QS - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:21:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXYuW-00024A-Mt - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:21:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXYwT-0001a4-Vn - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:23:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3N7L04o086980 - for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:21:03 +0200 (CEST) -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2006 09:26:20 +0200 -Subject: What Axiom is really good at in comparison with - other CAS +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: What Axiom is really good at in comparison with other CAS Dear all, @@ -28247,47 +16600,12 @@ Note that I'm well aware of the fact that some abilities may be contoversial. Thus, for presentation, I will pick the most uncontroversial thoughts, of course. -Thank you, - -Martin - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXiQQ-00018L-W2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXiQO-00014p-6K - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FXiQM-00012j-Gg - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXiQM-00012e-BE - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXiSP-00024y-LK - for list; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:33:13 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3NHUugM005399; - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:30:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270FA7F40F; - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3NHPNW22873; - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:25:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:25:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: soc2006support@google.com -Cc: Heow Eide-Goodman Heow Eide-Goodman, "Page, - Bill" Bill Page, list +From: Tim Daly +To: list Subject: Summer of Code application +Cc: Heow Eide-Goodman, Bill Page I would like to submit Axiom as a Summer of Code project for 2006. @@ -28328,41 +16646,9 @@ We have tried to create an Axiom Foundation to pay for work on supported projects but that has not been successful. Open source funding is always a challenge. -Tim Daly -Axiom Lead Developer. -Tim Daly - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY1aH-0000NT-Uc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:58:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY1aG-0000Mk-C4 - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:58:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY1aE-0000Lv-OX - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:58:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FY1aE-0000Ls-Ao - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:58:34 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FY1cT-0007ll-EW - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:00:53 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3ODwVob010636 - for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:58:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91607F409 - for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:58:31 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3ODr0Q23492; - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:53:00 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:53:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: axiom opportunity @@ -28398,40 +16684,9 @@ force axiom's user interface to mature rapidly. Comments? -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY1uK-00005u-CY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY1uI-0008Ve-HI - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY1uH-0008VJ-Ky - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FY1uH-0008VE-GF - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FY1wW-000145-Vl - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:37 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3OEJET7024741 - for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B9F7F406 - for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3OEDh123505; - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:13:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:13:43 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: axiom opportunity @@ -28439,123 +16694,34 @@ http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?ART_ID=9507 Another article on the axiom opportunity -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY2Vr-0001dx-Ug - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:58:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY2Vq-0001dK-4l - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:58:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY2Vn-0001bc-Dy - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:58:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FY2Vn-0001bZ-8i - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:58:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FY2Y3-0004wS-0C - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:00:23 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3OEvrbx004494 - for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:57:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730B77F40C - for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3OEqOb23560; - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:52:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:52:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: issac 2006 Is anyone else on this list planning to attend either ISSAC 2006 or the Manuel Bronstein conference? -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY63H-0000T0-2C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY63E-0000Sg-Mk - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY63A-0000SQ-5K - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FY639-0000SN-W6 - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FY65R-00026D-VX - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:47:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1CBA667ED4; - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:40 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 496A26782B; - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:34 -0400 (EDT) -Subject: RE: issac 2006 - charset="US-ASCII" +\start Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:44:34 -0400 -x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 -Thread-Topic: issac 2006 -Thread-Index: AcZnr4h/iXgmey7ATyOpKTQFOhAv8AAH04Yg From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: RE: issac 2006 On Monday, April 24, 2006 10:52 AM Tim Daly (root) wrote: ->=20 +> > Is anyone else on this list planning to attend either > ISSAC 2006 or the Manuel Bronstein conference? ->=20 +> For me it is a definite *maybe* for both. :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY6yR-0004gt-Mo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:43:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY6yP-0004gW-1z - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:43:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FY6yN-0004gJ-5U - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:43:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FY6yN-0004gG-04 - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:43:51 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.46] (helo=vms046pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FY70f-0007LL-HP - for list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:46:13 -0400 -Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([162.83.169.164]) - by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IY800440S50GBC1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:43:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:43:52 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: issac 2006 To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <444D2A78.1217B8D7@cunyvm.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: issac 2006 root wrote: @@ -28564,39 +16730,11 @@ root wrote: For me, yes to both. -William - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYHnA-0006Vb-01 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:17:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYHn8-0006V9-FH - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:16:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYHn6-0006Uq-Qg - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:16:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYHn6-0006Uh-Lm - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:16:56 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYHpV-0003wR-W1 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:19:26 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3P7GplU020488 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:16:51 +0200 +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:17:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: issac 2006 -Cc: list I'll be at the Bronstein conference. @@ -28608,38 +16746,11 @@ On 04/24/2006 04:52 PM, root wrote: > > Tim - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYLZf-0005PR-MW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:19:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYLZe-0005PD-Dm - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:19:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYLZd-0005Og-H8 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:19:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYLZd-0005Oc-8f - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:19:17 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.202] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYLc4-0004Lv-PM - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:21:49 -0400 -Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so790897wxc - for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:19:15 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=H0kwwvtE2pJhMzNmmYZTQy1cF/Vl/tR6AJJruQF4LTVFycVvaV9jYElDuiFU+rW1qS9sZyj6G6tXj0FO0hHAfMJJ7Iz+hptYuWl+VpVQNzqf7fSGJ3Hl5BKzk7pMmVgcZCOdkFvlGFgysszqGzQ+OzcQw1gek8VigHoVlSJozAs= -Received: by 10.70.130.15 with SMTP id c15mr5464277wxd; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:19:15 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.5 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:19:15 -0700 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - boundary="----=_Part_12791_15778870.1145963955158" -Cc: list ------=_Part_12791_15778870.1145963955158 @@ -28667,13 +16778,13 @@ is according to http://distrowatch.com/ in order : Rank Distribution H.P.D* 1 Ubuntu 2659[ima= ge: ->] 2 SUSE 1770[image: =3D] 3 +>] 2 SUSE 1770[image: =] 3 Fedora 1383[image: >] 4 Mandriva 1330[image: <] 5 MEPIS 974[image: >] 6 Damn Small 915[image: >] 7 Debian 810[image: >] 8 -KNOPPIX 695[image: =3D] 9 +KNOPPIX 695[image: =] 9 Gentoo 679[image: >] 10 PCLinuxOS 655[image: >= ] @@ -28728,203 +16839,11 @@ There will be the problem of Latex, that might be a lot of works to male O= O parse Latex. -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_12791_15778870.1145963955158 - -
Axiom has be= -en shown to run on Yellow Dog, which is a chinese
language version of li= -nux. -

Yellow Dog is PPC version of RedHat :
http://www.terrasoftsolutio= -ns.com/products/ydl/
 
Red Flag is what we perceived as the = -Chinese Linux : -
http://www.redflag= --linux.com/eindex.html

-I think we need to start positioning ourselves to be the computer
algebr= -a system for these linux systems. Which implies we spend
some time tryin= -g to get axiom working in conjunction with things
like Open Office. -

We should try to have Axiom in is current form available as a pack= -age for all the popular distribution from there respective official reposit= -ory. That is according to http://distro= -watch.com/ - in order :

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I think it is only the case for De= -bian right know.

-Open Office has a component that creates mathematical equations
but does= - little else.

Koffice has one too, that might be easie= -r to extract than  touching OpenOffice.

QT/KDE could also be a = -good choice for a cross platform UI has open source version are available f= -or Linux/Win/Mac -
 

We could use this component as a front end
and overtake its current u= -se by adding a combination of tools -
under the math component.

We could combine open office math with= - the lex editor (for literate
programs) and axiom.
I did not have success for googling for "lex editor" can you pos= -t a url please ? -
 

Someone could study the various components and
do a high level design= - document that would coordinate combining the -
components. Are there any 'software designers' in on the mailing list?<= -/blockquote>

Kind of. But did we decided on a set of desired capabi= -lity ?

-A widespread adoption of an axiom/OO math tool would also raise the
issu= -e of B-natural rather quickly since people will certainly
complain about= - user interaction issues.

Axiom/OO sound strange, I th= -ink there is a plugin to use Mupad with Ms Office anybody has used this sys= -tem ? -

Try= -ing to work with open office as a front-end will certainly
force axiom's= - user interface to mature rapidly. -

There will be the problem of  Latex, that might = -be a lot of works to male OO parse Latex.

Regards,
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OOo is not one of them. -Best wishes, -d. - [1] http://www.openoffice.org/product/pix/math-big.png - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYMzU-00046k-CL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:50:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYMzS-00046A-Tv - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:50:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYMzR-00045G-P8 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:50:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYMzR-00045B-J9 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:50:01 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYN1t-00076G-Ub - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:52:34 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3PCk1rf050259; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:46:04 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 25 Apr 2006 14:51:26 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: David Mentre Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604250531i4067cf38q5dac649e6707ab68@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Apr 2006 14:51:26 +0200 -Cc: list I think tex4ht can also do openoffice: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn3.html#QQ1-3-10 -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYNqr-0001Z7-SR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:45:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYNqp-0001Z2-12 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:45:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYNqn-0001Yq-GK - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:45:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYNqn-0001Yn-BZ - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:45:09 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYNtG-0004xp-9M - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:47:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27631 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 13:45:07 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=3WmCha8xsPS+rBI01ntulrV8RQ9bB8ZFdz6VgX0h2pArT7bqolmZ0VdAf2+44+4JGIeEAHY8c+sRMa7EXq74pYvPEA02g7CR+0akQWU0dSkmQ9Nu1Nmu8g3yhk/LbhtjndaBW8NtPQDvKXGtThk0RvrIIxDDUrqbhXLW3vkEZlw= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:45:07 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: axiom opportunity To: Antoine Hersen, Tim Daly -Cc: list - ---- Antoine Hersen wrote: +Subject: Re: axiom opportunity > > I think we need to start positioning ourselves to be the computer > > algebra system for these linux systems. Which implies we spend @@ -29126,47 +16989,11 @@ Maxima had someone who did work on this - it looks like the better way is to teach Axiom to output OpenOffice math expressions. I have no idea how much work this would be. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYP6W-0008UX-It - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYP6V-0008TB-BU - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYP6T-0008SV-5f - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYP6S-0008SS-OY - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYP8v-0004bd-Et - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:07:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2E37A67C6E; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:20 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 31F3567CAD; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) - charset="US-ASCII" -x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 -Subject: RE: axiom opportunity +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:09 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom opportunity -Thread-Index: AcZoZDz3XacNGoTOTsW3bj2xP3LByAAB+iAg From: Bill Page To: David Mentre -Cc: list +Subject: RE: axiom opportunity On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:32 AM David MENTRE wrote: > [Open Office ...] @@ -29175,7 +17002,7 @@ On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:32 AM David MENTRE wrote: > One could use a standardized format, like MathML, but I am afraid > of its complexity (that's said, that does not prevent us to look > at how MathML has defined its building blocks). ->=20 +> I think jsMath as an alternative to MathML has continued to evolve and mature very rapidly: @@ -29208,7 +17035,7 @@ user interface. > a innovative and good looking interface (i.e. a combination of > TeXmacs and the one Tim is always giving as example, with > drag&drop). OOo is not one of them. ->=20 +> I agree. TeXmacs is a very interesting platform that has a lot of potential but it needs more work done on the Axiom side @@ -29239,7 +17066,7 @@ Which reminds me to mention: Take a look at: - https://launchpad.net/products/?text=3Daxiom + https://launchpad.net/products/?text=axiom and @@ -29250,47 +17077,12 @@ SourceForge do not have (yet). See for example the online support for translation, "new generation" revision control system, specification tracking system and bounty incentives. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYQji-0005Nl-H3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:50:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYQjg-0005Lh-PO - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:50:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYQjf-0005KI-OW - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:50:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYQjf-0005Jy-I2 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:49:59 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYQmA-00077O-5R - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:52:34 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3PGnsi2002471 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:54 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3PGnsmL002468; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:54 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:54 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - David MENTRE David Mentre, list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk" -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre - - ---R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk +Cc: David Mentre Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:32 AM David MENTRE wrote: @@ -29350,77 +17142,28 @@ since every Firefox/Mozilla user will be able to "see" MathML without jumping trough the extra hoops of installing fonts, as is currently required. Axiom should jump on this opportunity. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFETlMyjwioWRGe9K0RAvrJAJ9yK01VF1GY+WYnE5XoxVMs9QGKsgCgh7LW -eTGET3oTB6mIkeEaF4Uo2s4= -=z4Lf ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRIP-0000cB-UE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRIP-0000bq-42 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRIN-0000bd-Fh - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYRIN-0000ba-8X - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:51 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYRKr-00026U-9S - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:28:26 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 40B91683F3; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 964BE683E9; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:41 -0400 (EDT) - charset="US-ASCII" -x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 -Subject: RE: axiom opportunity +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom opportunity -Thread-Index: AcZoiFLOf1U7kodIQwSih85HOp6PrgAAVZvg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: axiom opportunity +Cc: David Mentre On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:50 PM Bob McElrath wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > I think jsMath as an alternative to MathML has continued to > > evolve and mature very rapidly: -> >=20 +> > > > http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/changes.html -> >=20 +> > > > It uses just a subset of LaTeX embedded in HTML. -> >=20 +> > > > For use in a graphical user interface based on web browser > > technology I still consider jsMath quite superior to MathML > > in ease of use, compatibility and even performance. ->=20 -> Uh...Bill..."performance"? I've done quite a few benchmarks=20 +> +> Uh...Bill..."performance"? I've done quite a few benchmarks > and jsMath is a dog when it comes to speed. Could you point me to some examples of these benchmarks? @@ -29453,15 +17196,15 @@ Doing what you can to cache this information makes sense to me. Even sending jsMath itself down the line takes a serious amount of time and we should be careful to make sure the browser is caching it. -=20 -> jsMath is a good transition tool, and Davide hopes to evolve=20 + +> jsMath is a good transition tool, and Davide hopes to evolve > it to have a MathML output mode, but it is by no means fast. > Actually in the most recent "future work" he has mentioned doing the opposite - MathML input with jsMath rendering. Even this makes sense to me. -=20 + > In the long term the solution to math on the web is MathML. In spite of all the effort, I remain sceptical. @@ -29478,10 +17221,10 @@ is "nearly good enough". > Furthermore mathematics needs huge character sets. Moving > to unicode (implied by the move to MathML) will be a huge boon -> to math since we can use all kinds of characters and operators=20 +> to math since we can use all kinds of characters and operators > outside of ASCII. ->=20 -> The Really Big Problem with MathML is fonts. FYI the STIX=20 +> +> The Really Big Problem with MathML is fonts. FYI the STIX > fonts project plans a beta release in the next few weeks: > http://www.stixfonts.org/. The addition of this font, and its > distribution with browsers will remove most of the problems @@ -29496,7 +17239,7 @@ Anyway what prevents jsMath also from benefiting from these new fonts? > Axiom should jump on this opportunity. ->=20 +> On the contrary, I think Axiom should continue to make use of the most expedient solution available now. Axiom needs a better @@ -29504,41 +17247,10 @@ user interface now. I think a possibly (much?) better interface in the future (even the relatively near future, say 2 years) is likely to be too late. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRTv-0005IG-BT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRTu-0005I5-Ar - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRTs-0005Hl-TQ - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYRTs-0005Hi-NX - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYRWO-0003EL-2U - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:40:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E809868423; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:43 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7B32A68432; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) - charset="US-ASCII" -x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:37:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [MathML] -Thread-Index: AcZojYiN8tvvnEt0Q02V6NgHWm7ufQAABrxg From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath Subject: RE: [MathML] Bob, @@ -29551,76 +17263,38 @@ button or just create a page named, e.g. SandBoxMathML and then your edits are silent and then rename it when you think it is ready? :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - > -----Original Message----- -> From: Bob McElrath [mailto:mathaction-bounces@axiom-developer.org]=20 +> From: Bob McElrath [mailto:mathaction-bounces@axiom-developer.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:24 PM > To: MathAction -> Subject: [MathML]=20 ->=20 +> Subject: [MathML] +> > Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathML/diff > -- ->=20 -> =20 +> +> > ++added: -> + Rep :=3D Record(prolog : L S, MathML : L S, epilog : L S) +> + Rep := Record(prolog : L S, MathML : L S, epilog : L S) > + > precondition: E -> E ->=20 +> > --removed: -> =20 -> - Rep :=3D Record(prolog : L S, MathML : L S, epilog : L S) -> =20 ->=20 +> +> - Rep := Record(prolog : L S, MathML : L S, epilog : L S) +> +> > -- -> forwarded from=20 +> forwarded from > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathML#msg20060425122417-0500@ wiki.axiom-developer.org ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRbP-0003dA-KA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:45:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRbO-0003b5-1P - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:45:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRbM-0003Y5-KP - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:45:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYRbM-0003Xo-DP - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:45:28 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYRdr-0003wy-Bf - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:48:03 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3PHjHox003350 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3PHjHtH003347; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +> + +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:45:17 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - David MENTRE David Mentre, list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pZs/OQEoSSbxGlYw" -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre - - ---pZs/OQEoSSbxGlYw - - ---JWEK1jqKZ6MHAcjA +Cc: David Mentre Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Could you point me to some examples of these benchmarks? @@ -29684,152 +17358,12 @@ Rendering images or jsMath will never allow: 3) graphical equation editing which one wangs for a UI. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---JWEK1jqKZ6MHAcjA - -=0A=0A= -]> =0A=0A =0A Minimum Document with MathML =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A

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Editing in the browser is painful. I'm editing in an external editor, @@ -29850,81 +17384,17 @@ Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Bill Page. > > > -----Original Message----- -> > From: Bob McElrath [mailto:mathaction-bounces@axiom-developer.org] -> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:24 PM -> > To: MathAction -> > Subject: [MathML] -> > -> > Changes http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathML/diff -> > -- > > > > -> > ++added: > > + Rep := Record(prolog : L S, MathML : L S, epilog : L S) > > + > > precondition: E -> E -> > -> > --removed: -> > -> > - Rep := Record(prolog : L S, MathML : L S, epilog : L S) -> > -> > -> > -- -> > forwarded from -> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathML#msg20060425122417-0500@ -> wiki.axiom-developer.org -> > --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---b8GWCKCLzrXbuNet - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFETmB6jwioWRGe9K0RApe/AJ46DJdq4JiKa9RKNTUq5wFYFUCmbgCcDiHU -CAdbrpfgCG7X/vLXij0lmao= -=pjCq ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---b8GWCKCLzrXbuNet-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRky-0000de-3H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:55:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRkw-0000bo-Nq - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:55:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRku-0000Yg-Ja - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:55:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYRku-0000YO-Ao - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:55:20 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.25] (helo=smtp6.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYRnP-00050W-H0 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:57:55 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 60A081C0009E - for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:55:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-52-162.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-52-162.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.206.162]) - by mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0BD741C000A0; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:55:16 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Timothy Daly Tim Daly + + +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:55:43 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Timothy Daly Tim Daly Subject: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet Hi, @@ -29945,52 +17415,18 @@ The following patch fixes a typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet \begin{verbatim} ================================================================ -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRt6-0005yl-Mv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRt5-0005vB-1A - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRt3-0005s4-Eh - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYRt3-0005rl-9I - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:45 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYRvY-00060N-JC - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:06:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 279A465B87; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E4C9965BAB; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) - charset="US-ASCII" -x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [MathML] -Thread-Index: AcZokEfVfBZUi2rCRjiFL+GHt1LtggAAfRDQ From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath Subject: RE: [MathML] Bob, On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:47 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Sorry. ->=20 +> > Editing in the browser is painful. I'm editing in an external > editor, which doesn't allow preview... :( @@ -30001,57 +17437,25 @@ No problem. I am glad you are working on the MathML issue! Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > > Bob, -> >=20 +> > > > Because of the way edits are sent to Axiom Wiki subscribers > > you have sent many edit emails like the following. -> >=20 +> > > > Might I suggest that you either take advantage of "Preview" > > button or just create a page named, e.g. SandBoxMathML and > > then your edits are silent and then rename it when you think > > it is ready? :) -> >=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRyF-0007hE-18 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:09:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRyE-0007h3-Hz - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:09:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYRyC-0007gi-W2 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:09:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYRyC-0007gf-TV - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:09:04 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYS0i-0006KX-Eg - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:11:40 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3PI93Kx003635 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:09:03 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3PI93XD003631; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:09:03 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +> > + +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:09:03 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6" -Cc: list Subject: Re: [MathML] - ---bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6 - Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Bob, > @@ -30071,92 +17475,45 @@ Could you take a look at http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxMathML ? I think I have copied all the relevant bits from tex.spad.pamphlet but it still tells me it can't coerce to my new domain. -Thanks, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFETmW/jwioWRGe9K0RApjbAJsHoUZhjoiRNE165qa9AIfpDsu9NQCg07ME -TDbN07/Iq4r4aw8zknq7CVE= -=HVc/ ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---bFsKbPszpzYNtEU6-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYSin-0003lH-FU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:57:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYSil-0003jx-DV - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:57:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYSij-0003iX-95 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:57:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYSii-0003iK-Tf - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:57:09 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp14.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYSlE-0002cS-NX - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:59:45 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E2E87700009F - for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:57:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-52-162.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-52-162.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.206.162]) - by mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 607C570000AB; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:57:06 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: [MathML] -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bob McElrath - <20060425180903.GE19448@mcelrath.org> +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:57:32 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: re: [MathML] Hi, -Le mardi 25 avril 2006 =E0 11:09 -0700, Bob McElrath a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 25 avril 2006 =E0 11:09 -0700, Bob McElrath a =E9crit : > Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > > Bob, -> >=20 +> > > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:47 PM you wrote: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Sorry. -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Editing in the browser is painful. I'm editing in an external > > > editor, which doesn't allow preview... :( -> >=20 +> > > > External editing in the SandBox works well for this case. -> >=20 +> > > > No problem. I am glad you are working on the MathML issue! ->=20 +> > Could you take a look at http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxMathML = ? ->=20 +> > I think I have copied all the relevant bits from tex.spad.pamphlet but > it still tells me it can't coerce to my new domain. Since this package is not implemented: )abbrev package MML1 MathMLFormat1 -MathMLFormat1(S : SetCategory): public =3D=3D private where - public =3D=3D with +MathMLFormat1(S : SetCategory): public == private where + public == with coerce: S -> MathMLFormat() - private =3D=3D add + private == add import MathMLFormat() - coerce(s : S): MathMLFormat =3D=3D + coerce(s : S): MathMLFormat == coerce(s :: OutputForm)$MathMLFormat @@ -30172,71 +17529,25 @@ So can only use 1::OutputForm::MML; \end{axiom} -Cheers, - -Greg - -> Thanks, -> Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] ->=20 -> "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country -> democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every -> kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they -> might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one -> meaning." -- George Orwell=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYSt5-0002FN-4z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYSt4-0002FI-Gp - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYSt2-0002F6-RO - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYSt2-0002F3-M4 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:48 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYSvX-0003Uq-Mf - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 20932688F4; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4C22268915; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:42 -0400 (EDT) - charset="US-ASCII" -x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 -Subject: RE: axiom opportunity Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom opportunity -Thread-Index: AcZokBBvF4kmZzmBQ02/yNxXZ/vk7wABGqWg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: axiom opportunity +Cc: David Mentre -Bob,=20 +Bob, On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:45 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: > > Could you point me to some examples of these benchmarks? > > Identical pages rendered as MathML and jsMath? Are there > > some cases that are especially bad? Worse case? ->=20 +> > I've never written down any numbers because jsMath pages take > many seconds, while MathML is always unnoticably fast. ->=20 +> > Attached is one of my test pages, to be compared with: > http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/examples/TeXbook16.html @@ -30253,7 +17564,7 @@ Of course the actual number of bytes transferred in the case of jsMath can be quite a bit higher because of sending the font information. ->=20 +> > > I have not done any rigorous tests but my experiments using > > FireFox 1.5.0.2 on Windows makes me feel jsMath has the lead - > > although both seem likely "fast enough" for the kinds of uses @@ -30261,7 +17572,7 @@ font information. > > either from a web site or from a local copy of Axiom. Such a > > "page" might contain say at most 10 equations and maybe 20 > > embedded symbols. ->=20 +> > I find this statement very difficult to believe. On the above > example page I can watch it render each expression. It takes > ~4s to render the whole page. The MathML version (attached) @@ -30280,7 +17591,7 @@ Even so, if these examples were generated from the result of an Axiom calculation I believe I might still judge the result "adequate". I suppose that just goes to show that performance is to some extent subjective - it's what you get used to ... -=20 + > jsMath is at least an order of magnatude slower. I don't > understand how you haven't noticed this... On my TiddlyWiki > I have many wiki nodes that take several seconds just to @@ -30288,39 +17599,39 @@ is to some extent subjective - it's what you get used to ... But the math and the pages themselves are very pretty. :) ->=20 -> ...=20 +> +> ... > > > In the long term the solution to math on the web is > > > MathML. -> >=20 +> > > > In spite of all the effort, I remain sceptical. ->=20 +> > Why? Because we have LaTeX now and it works now. As hardware gets faster, software remains just as difficult to write as ever. ->=20 +> > > > Axiom should jump on this opportunity. -> >=20 +> > > > On the contrary, I think Axiom should continue to make use > > of the most expedient solution available now. Axiom needs a > > better user interface now. I think a possibly (much?) better > > interface in the future (even the relatively near future, > > say 2 years) is likely to be too late. ->=20 +> > A better user interface needs a fast, standardized way to > render math. MathML is that solution. > I can agree at least that it probably will be. :) -=20 + > Rendering images or jsMath will never allow: > 1) subexpression interactivity > 2) cut and paste > 3) graphical equation editing > which one wangs for a UI. ->=20 +> Hmmm... I have been testing this kind of thing using the new java-based Maple graphical user interface for almost two years @@ -30332,49 +17643,13 @@ It just doesn't really have much to do with the "mathematics" that one actually does with these tools (at least what I do with them). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYTuX-0007mE-AL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYTuV-0007lc-9w - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYTuS-0007jV-04 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYTuR-0007jN-Pg - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FYTwx-0006NS-FC - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:15:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYTST-0001Ri-Ab - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:44:25 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBB440E2A; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:42:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3PJe1tZ020882; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:40:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3PJe1eO020881; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:40:01 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Apr 2006 21:40:01 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom opportunity -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Apr 2006 21:40:01 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -30388,83 +17663,20 @@ systems -- not just Debian. We should be at a point where Axiom is included in linux distros -- just like I can have singular with my SuSE distro. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYUeb-0002a1-Tb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:01:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYUea-0002Zm-Gz - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:01:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYUeW-0002Yp-Pm - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:01:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYUeW-0002Ym-K6 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:00:56 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYUh3-0003tS-I7 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:03:33 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3PL0qnZ031960; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:00:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1768F7F408; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:00:53 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3PKtIM24551; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:55:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:55:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:55:43 +0200) -Cc: list Subject: Re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet patch applied. fixed in the next release --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYV7J-0000Li-Q9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:30:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYV7G-0000Fa-W4 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:30:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYV7E-0000AF-U0 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:30:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYV7E-00009p-MT - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:30:36 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYV9m-00065g-2f - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:33:14 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3PLUXam008606 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:30:33 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3PLUXmO008603; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:30:33 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:30:33 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - David MENTRE David Mentre, list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CEUtFxTsmBsHRLs3" -Cc: list, David MENTRE David Mentre - - ---CEUtFxTsmBsHRLs3 +Cc: David Mentre Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Bob, @@ -30529,108 +17741,23 @@ one is such crap. Just because a good interface hasn't been written yet doesn't mean that one is impossible. I still hold out hope. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---CEUtFxTsmBsHRLs3 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFETpT4jwioWRGe9K0RAnR7AKCaaHfay0ebBKGpvXJTj1+1hoPoowCfY2B0 -jk9F6xGjd9HnaGk3T87oPk0= -=xhFD ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---CEUtFxTsmBsHRLs3-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVDx-0006MY-IK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:37:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVDv-0006MB-4L - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:37:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVDs-0006KV-FG - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:37:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYVDs-0006KR-9J - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:37:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYVGP-0006Vc-OQ - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:40:05 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E44A4F3B8; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:37:13 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3PLYYtZ021333; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:34:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3PLYYp1021332; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:34:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 25 Apr 2006 23:34:34 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet - <200604252055.k3PKtIM24551@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Apr 2006 23:34:34 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | patch applied. fixed in the next release --t is this also in the SVN repository? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVPT-0004iO-Fb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVPS-0004i5-Mm - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVPR-0004hS-CH - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYVPR-0004hL-1h - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYVRy-0007DG-N6 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:52:02 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3PLnEhT023621; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999A07F405; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3PLheo24593; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:43:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:43:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 25 Apr 2006 23:34:34 +0200) Subject: re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet - <200604252055.k3PKtIM24551@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | patch applied. fixed in the next release --t > @@ -30638,99 +17765,31 @@ Cc: list no. i cannot yet reach the svn repositories. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVgM-0006Mp-My - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:06:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVgL-0006Ma-7K - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:06:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYVgH-0006Ki-RP - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:06:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYVgH-0006Kc-Iz - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:06:49 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.20] (helo=smtp12.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYVip-0000Xo-9k - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:09:27 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1203.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E3C8B1C0008C - for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:06:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-52-162.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-52-162.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.206.162]) - by mwinf1203.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D4091C00084; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:06:47 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <200604252055.k3PKtIM24551@localhost.localdomain> - Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:07:15 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet Hi Gaby, Le mardi 25 avril 2006 =E0 23:34 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : -> root Tim Daly writes: ->=20 +> Tim Daly writes: +> > | patch applied. fixed in the next release --t ->=20 +> > is this also in the SVN repository? Sorry I forgot to CC you... I'll not forget the next time. -Cheers, - -Greg - -> -- Gaby ->=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYZKf-0006zM-Mg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:00:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYZKd-0006z6-RY - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:00:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYZKc-0006yu-6Z - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:00:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYZKc-0006yr-13 - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:00:42 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYZNC-0001QX-3x - for list; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:03:22 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3Q20V5H014143 - for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:00:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199817F409 - for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:00:32 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3Q1swP24712; - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:54:58 -0400 +\start Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:54:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Subject: [lhawthorn@google.com: Re: [Soc2006support] - Summer of Code application] +Subject: Summer of Code application] ------- Start of forwarded message ------- -Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:33:08 -0700 -From: Leslie Hawthorn -To: Tim Daly +From: Leslie Hawthorn Subject: Re: [Soc2006support] Summer of Code application Hello Tim, @@ -30792,45 +17851,14 @@ root wrote: > Soc2006support@google.com > https://mailman.corp.google.com/mailman/listinfo/soc2006support - -- -- Leslie Hawthorn Open Source Program Coordinator -Google Inc. -------- End of forwarded message ------- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmFK-0006O5-Mh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmFJ-0006Nk-7j - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmFG-0006NY-Sc - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYmFG-0006NV-No - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:02 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYmHz-0006ow-1E - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:50:51 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 14so1614005nzn - for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=hkSnTlwFg0z5Bjc8ptYodXLHxA/RdnUkxlp2nGURe+9RZ1iwK0k4nZsOhHfrkBeGb2uzkeqrYc16lLe3RxeKbVpy62IX4/h4ZHVZCsPFEpkgs1NVc76VkiVZRiAhyH+lpqNteFAL/u7ZH9lwiQQn2C7tB36YFMlr+5jGiJ4ItLA= -Received: by 10.36.118.9 with SMTP id q9mr375565nzc; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.160.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) + +\start Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:48:00 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - -Cc: list Hello, @@ -30842,45 +17870,11 @@ Hello, So why don't you package Axiom for SuSE ? -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYma4-0007CL-Su - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:09:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYma3-0007Bq-Ci - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:09:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYma1-0007B5-I2 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:09:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYma1-0007B0-D0 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:09:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYmcj-0000Tn-Ta - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:12:18 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E8B40F90; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:09:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3QG6XtZ024827; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:06:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3QG6Xfb024826; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:06:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Apr 2006 18:06:33 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: David Mentre Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Apr 2006 18:06:33 +0200 -Cc: list David Mentre writes: @@ -30912,40 +17906,11 @@ Best, upgraded to a newer linux version that was using a new version of glibc. My copy of Maple stopped working. --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmah-0007V9-Bn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:10:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmaf-0007UH-Ie - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:10:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmad-0007TV-TG - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:10:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYmad-0007TQ-OB - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:10:07 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.30] (helo=smtp4-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYmdM-0000YP-A1 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:12:56 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678A554CDE - for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FYmac-00028i-00 - for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:06 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:06 +0200 -To: Axiom developers -Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list +Subject: Re: axiom opportunity Hi, @@ -30956,7 +17921,7 @@ net>: x > > systems -- not just Debian. > > [ I'm not saying that because I'm a SuSE Linux user :-) ] ->=20 +> > So why don't you package Axiom for SuSE ? Have you tried to run alien on Camm Maguire Debian packages? (I have @@ -30964,46 +17929,12 @@ not.) http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/alien.1.html -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmiE-0001Vn-F2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:17:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmiD-0001VR-GU - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:17:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmiB-0001UP-5s - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:17:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYmiA-0001UL-Uw - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:17:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYmkt-0001LO-Mf - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:20:43 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3QGHoHs025192; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:17:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB717F406; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3QGCGg25346; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:12:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:12:16 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 26 Apr 2006 18:06:33 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre Axiom should build on any linux system without error. If you know of a system where you set the AXIOM shell variable @@ -31013,48 +17944,14 @@ properly and the build fails please As far as I'm aware Axiom should build on SUSE. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmss-0007MQ-Ap - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:28:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmsq-0007M0-1h - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:28:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmso-0007KS-K4 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:28:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYmso-0007KP-DS - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:28:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYmvX-0002xI-4L - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:31:43 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2166E4F3D7; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:28:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3QGPwtZ024921; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:25:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3QGPw7m024920; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:25:58 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Apr 2006 18:25:58 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <200604261612.k3QGCGg25346@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Apr 2006 18:25:58 +0200 -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Axiom should build on any linux system without error. | If you know of a system where you set the AXIOM shell variable @@ -31074,44 +17971,11 @@ Axiom currently builds on the linux boxes I have access to (RH, SuSE, Unbuntu) but it installs in non-"standard" locations; that is "easy" to correct with a minimal Autoconf support. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmt9-0007Pv-GW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:29:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmt8-0007Pk-6s - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:29:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYmt6-0007PY-8s - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:29:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYmt6-0007PV-3n - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:29:12 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.207] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYmvo-0002yp-Rt - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:32:00 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 14so1624603nzn - for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:11 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=XPSvllFWGusuXG62rhpo3iVScXHiNPMMI+r9o9dj2glnICYPipV2jCxmMFWr3XFnoxACyUml/lMsAJdm+p4jpSzsb3oMBc/GE156fSt70ETHu2Qtc9xzfy6rzmfSZUX4HGNVgR4BVggm/426J8nQ8HWpd18AIDH6Srvc2QxFRy0= -Received: by 10.36.128.5 with SMTP id a5mr1449891nzd; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:11 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.36.160.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:29:11 +0200 From: David Mentre -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - -Cc: list - -Gaby, 26 Apr 2006 18:06:33 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis= : @@ -31158,48 +18022,12 @@ make the program working in the new environment. Tim is doing that work. Bill also. We need more people coding and less talks (like what I'm doing ;-). -Best wishes, -d. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYn39-0001SM-Va - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:39:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYn38-0001S0-DE - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:39:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYn36-0001Rg-IQ - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:39:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYn36-0001Rd-Dj - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:39:32 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYn5p-00047g-77 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:21 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3QGdR1m002310; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:39:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C98D7F403; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3QGXrP25368; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:33:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:33:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 26 Apr 2006 18:25:58 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <200604261612.k3QGCGg25346@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre Axiom can be installed at any location (defaults to /usr/local) by adding an option on the command line (see Makefile.dvi) @@ -31210,47 +18038,12 @@ In general, Axiom is designed to be built from source. I provide binaries for the systems I can access but they are not guaranteed to run. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYn6B-0002Iw-Pu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYn69-0002HJ-H7 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYn67-0002FJ-P5 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYn67-0002F9-Li - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYn8q-0004Nx-FN - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:45:28 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3QGgRxa017386; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948957F40B; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3QGauI25385; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:36:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:36:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 26 Apr 2006 18:25:58 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <200604261612.k3QGCGg25346@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre >> But I would >> like Axiom to be better than that; that is the reason why I talked to @@ -31267,37 +18060,11 @@ All of that effort is due to Camm. Unfortunately his tarball of patches are all undocumented so I have no idea why those changes are necessary. I'm reluctant to make changes without understanding. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYnni-00023Q-Re - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYnng-00021b-OQ - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYnnf-0001zw-5z - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYnne-0001zr-Uv - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:38 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYnqO-0000Y0-9D - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:30:28 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3QHRF3q030565; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Frederic Lehobey'" Frederic Lehobey -Subject: RE: axiom opportunity Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:27:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Axiom developers' +From: Bill Page +To: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: RE: axiom opportunity On April 26, 2006 12:10 PM Frederic Lehobey wrote: > @@ -31323,49 +18090,11 @@ where prepared using alien from the Debian distribution as described there. I have successfully installed these on both SuSE and RedHat systems. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYoJq-0004KA-6f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYoJo-0004IR-9l - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYoJm-0004Gr-E9 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYoJm-0004Gh-9V - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYoMV-0003rk-IM - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:03:39 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7734F3D1; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:00:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3QHvrtZ025357; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:57:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3QHvrNY025356; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:57:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Apr 2006 19:57:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: David Mentre Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <3d13dcfc0604260929l27c21b3cpad318d43d43e256a@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Apr 2006 19:57:53 +0200 -Cc: list David Mentre writes: @@ -31431,50 +18160,14 @@ so, the executive summary is like for Red Hat. It does: the root issue is *dependency*. It has little to do with proprietary versus non-propriatry. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYoRB-0006ID-Vt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:08:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYoRA-0006HL-1R - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:08:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYoR8-0006GK-0s - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:08:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYoR7-0006GH-PD - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:08:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYoTr-0004e3-9j - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:11:15 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DA44F3CE; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:08:13 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3QI5RtZ025405; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:05:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3QI5RZi025404; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:05:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Apr 2006 20:05:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <200604261612.k3QGCGg25346@localhost.localdomain> - - <200604261636.k3QGauI25385@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Apr 2006 20:05:27 +0200 -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | >> But I would | >> like Axiom to be better than that; that is the reason why I talked to @@ -31509,49 +18202,12 @@ of us before investing time in it. That is not abstract talk (David ! :-) Do you have link to those patches? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYos1-0007mx-ON - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:36:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYorz-0007mm-Pz - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:36:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYory-0007ma-Gf - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:36:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYory-0007mX-8v - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:36:10 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYoui-0006zI-7B - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:39:00 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3QIZc55004030; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:35:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33D97F405; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:35:38 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3QIU2e25463; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:30:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:30:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 26 Apr 2006 20:05:27 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <200604261612.k3QGCGg25346@localhost.localdomain> - - <200604261636.k3QGauI25385@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre > | All of that effort is due to Camm. Unfortunately his tarball of > | patches are all undocumented so I have no idea why those changes @@ -31561,52 +18217,14 @@ Cc: list, David Mentre wget daly.axiom-developer.org/axiom_20050901-6.diff -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYp81-0007j6-4P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:52:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYp80-0007iT-BI - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:52:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYp7z-0007hI-QP - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:52:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYp7z-0007h6-Mt - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:52:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYpAj-0000Hf-Mg - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:55:33 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744B940E26; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:52:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3QInltZ025607; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:49:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3QInl3M025606; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:49:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Apr 2006 20:49:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> - - <200604261612.k3QGCGg25346@localhost.localdomain> - - <200604261636.k3QGauI25385@localhost.localdomain> - - <200604261830.k3QIU2e25463@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Apr 2006 20:49:47 +0200 -Cc: list, David Mentre +Cc: David Mentre -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | All of that effort is due to Camm. Unfortunately his tarball of | > | patches are all undocumented so I have no idea why those changes @@ -31616,42 +18234,15 @@ root Tim Daly writes: | | wget daly.axiom-developer.org/axiom_20050901-6.diff -Thanks! - - BTW, I sent an email to axiom-math yesterday, it is still awaiting moderator review I believe :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYpmn-0000pQ-BB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYpml-0000pB-K3 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYpmj-0000oq-Sw - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYpmj-0000ol-MP - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:49 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FYppU-0004kT-7D - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:37:40 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.226]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3QJYMjC026355; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: axiom opportunity Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:34:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, David Mentre +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: axiom opportunity +Cc: David Mentre Gaby, @@ -31694,47 +18285,14 @@ I have just passed it but you really should register. See: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomCommunity -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYqLr-0003Ue-Dl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:11:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYqLp-0003UP-Lx - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:11:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYqLo-0003UC-7t - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:11:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYqLo-0003U9-3c - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:11:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYqOZ-0007k6-0v - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:13:55 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AA940E21; - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:11:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3QK86tZ025964; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:08:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3QK86oO025963; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:08:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: axiom opportunity -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Apr 2006 22:08:06 +0200 -Cc: list, David Mentre +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: axiom opportunity +Cc: David Mentre -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -31770,39 +18328,10 @@ subscription for granted). Now, it might be that I registered with a different address where posting with another address (which while not impossible, will surprise me). -Best, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYuFP-00006p-HM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:20:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYuFO-00006O-K4 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:20:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYuFM-00005Y-Pw - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:20:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYuFM-00005V-Ll - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:20:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.22] (helo=smtp9.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYuIA-0002NY-06 - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:23:34 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7EB162400195 - for ; 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- Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:01:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:01:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:21:10 +0200) -Cc: list Subject: Re: sourceforge cvs These are the first few lines of the Makefile for the latest version @@ -31945,37 +18410,10 @@ LSP=${SPD}/lsp #GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7 GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.8pre - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYwOW-0005xm-VS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:38:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYwOV-0005xO-0s - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:38:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FYwOR-0005wW-3t - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:38:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FYwOQ-0005wM-JL - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:38:10 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=smtp2.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FYwRF-00061M-3n - for list; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:41:05 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E532C1C001E3 - for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:38:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-8-99.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-8-99.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.150.99]) - by mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 87C671C001E1; - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:38:08 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly - <200604270201.k3R21I725771@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:38:40 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge cvs Hi, @@ -31991,48 +18429,12 @@ Repository" service don't work too for me... Sorry for the inconvenience. -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZCBJ-0007gZ-7J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:29:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZCBH-0007gU-4E - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:29:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZCBG-0007gE-Ff - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:29:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZCBG-0007g9-A9 - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:29:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZCEE-0008Po-Ka - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:32:42 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAA740E31; - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:29:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3RJQatZ030760; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:26:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3RJQafX030759; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:26:36 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2006 21:26:36 +0200 -Cc: +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Axiom trunk failure - Hi, I checked out a fresh copy from SVN axiom/trunk. The build failed @@ -32074,41 +18476,10 @@ The rejected hunk is: Does this ring bell to anyone? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZCO1-0004pL-FF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:42:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZCO0-0004op-HL - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:42:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZCNz-0004oL-LC - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:42:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZCNz-0004oI-AI - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:42:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZCQx-00019K-O0 - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:45:51 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3RJgcw6003382; - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:42:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E2C7F40C; - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3RJb1q26475; - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:37:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:37:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 27 Apr 2006 21:26:36 +0200) -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom trunk failure yep. it turns off the "tail recursion" noise. bill schelter and i @@ -32132,45 +18503,13 @@ gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpflet.lsp.patch which lives in lsp/gcl-2.6.7/cmpnew/gcl_cmpflet.lsp -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZElt-0001KV-Gb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:15:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZElr-0001K4-M7 - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:15:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZElq-0001JM-0K - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:15:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZElp-0001JJ-TZ - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:15:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZEoq-0002iR-0i - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:18:40 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D4740E26; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:15:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3RMCWtZ031276; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:12:32 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3RMCW54031275; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:12:32 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200604271937.k3RJb1q26475@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Apr 2006 00:12:32 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom trunk failure -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | yep. it turns off the "tail recursion" noise. bill schelter and i | worked on creating tail recursion in AKCL. This was just a debugging @@ -32204,44 +18543,11 @@ into existence. Therefore the failure to match. I manually removed those DOS-style newlines and applied the patch, it just work fine. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZFdq-00029s-LK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:11:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZFdo-00028n-8e - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:11:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZFdm-00027w-CX - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:11:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZFdm-00027q-15 - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:11:18 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZFgm-00084O-Kw - for list; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:14:24 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8106140E20; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:11:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3RN8GtZ031476; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:08:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3RN8GTa031475; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:08:16 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Apr 2006 01:08:16 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - <200604271937.k3RJb1q26475@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Apr 2006 01:08:16 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -32259,44 +18565,12 @@ has those curiosities. So the explanation must be somewhere between the editor Tim used to produce the patch and the the actual patch being stored in the SVN repository. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZNkm-0001sN-HL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:51:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZNkl-0001rG-0E - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:51:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZNki-0001pq-GO - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:51:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZNki-0001pZ-9h - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:51:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZNnn-0004hK-OC - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:54:11 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB77F40F45; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:50:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3S7lutZ000674; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:47:57 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3S7luRS000673; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:47:56 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Camm Maguire -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Apr 2006 09:47:56 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - Hi Camm, Building GCL-2.6.7 (either pristine release or as part of Axiom) @@ -32310,42 +18584,11 @@ gcc -o raw_gcl \ sys_gcl.c: undefined reference to `init_gcl_cmptop' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZPb9-0000oD-OG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:49:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZPb8-0000nu-5s - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:49:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZPb6-0000na-Gs - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:49:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZPb6-0000nX-Bd - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:49:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZPeC-00087b-Rd - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:52:25 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD234F3C2; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:49:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3S9k8tZ001067; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:46:08 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3S9k8us001066; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:46:08 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Apr 2006 11:46:07 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Apr 2006 11:46:07 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -32399,34 +18642,11 @@ soliton[5:17]% diff cmpnew/gcl_cmptop.o cmpnew/gcl_cmptop.data soliton[5:17]% ~/build/gcl-2.6.7 --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZSSo-0001fw-Do - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:52:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZSSm-0001es-VV - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:52:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZSSl-0001eU-UC - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:52:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZSSl-0001eR-RW; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:52:47 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FZSVu-0000YI-1Y; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:56:02 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FZSSe-0007gy-00; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:52:40 -0400 +Date: 28 Apr 2006 08:52:40 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 28 Apr 2006 08:52:40 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! Yes, if you could please post the output from the compilation of gcl_cmptop.lsp, that would be great! Or simply the @@ -32485,57 +18705,13 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > cmpnew/gcl_cmpvs.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped > cmpnew/gcl_cmpwt.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped > soliton[5:17]% diff cmpnew/gcl_cmptop.o cmpnew/gcl_cmptop.data -> soliton[5:17]% ~/build/gcl-2.6.7 -> -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> +> soliton[5:17]% ~/build/gcl-2.6.7 --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZTZD-0000Kw-03 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:03:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZTZB-0000I4-2L - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:03:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZTZ8-0000Er-5W - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:03:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZTZ8-0000Ej-1Q - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:03:26 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZTcG-0006ze-J7 - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:06:41 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234DD40E21; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:03:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3SE0JtZ002038; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:00:19 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3SE0Jhl002037; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:00:19 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 28 Apr 2006 16:00:19 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Apr 2006 16:00:19 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org - ---=-=-= Camm Maguire writes: @@ -32550,93 +18726,11 @@ gcl_cmptop.o: ASCII English text, with very long lines Content of the file attached to this message. --- Gaby - ---=-=-= - - -#(#! -(lisp::in-package (lisp::quote user::compiler)) -#(#\- #\_ #\/ #\. #\! #\E #\* #\A #\$ "code" #p".lsp" :host :device :directory :name :version "gcl_" compiler::*current-form* compiler::*first-error* lisp::nil system::|#,| "Sharp-comma-macro is in a bad place." compiler::package-operation compiler::*non-package-operation* "The package operation ~s was in a bad place." compiler::t1 compiler::*compile-print* compiler::top-level-macro compiler::c1 "~s is illegal function." "" "void" "long " "object " compiler::*vcs-used* compiler::*function-links* compiler::*c-vars* " VOL " compiler::*volatile* compiler::*vaddress-list* compiler::*vind* compiler::*inits* compiler::*top-level-forms* compiler::*compiler-output1* compiler::t2 compiler::t3 compiler::*local-funs* compiler::*global-entries* compiler::*closures* compiler::*compiler-output2* "LC" compiler::fun compiler::*reservations* compiler::*next-vv* 2147483647 ")," ")" compiler::proclaimed-closure "" "" compiler::eval-at-compile :defaults compiler::*eval-when-defaults* lisp::compi - le lisp::eval-when "The EVAL-WHEN situation ~s is illegal." lisp::progn (lisp::quote lisp::compile) compiler::*compile-ordinaries* lisp::&aux compiler::*setjmps* lisp::defun compiler::*sharp-commas* "The function name ~s is not a symbol." compiler::*local-functions* compiler::*vars* compiler::*funs* compiler::*blocks* compiler::*tags* compiler::*special-binding* compiler::ufun compiler::*next-cfun* compiler::info compiler::fixed-args lisp::function :initial-element compiler::proclaimed-function compiler::proclaimed-arg-types lisp::* compiler::var compiler::lexical lisp::special compiler::clb (lisp::fixnum lisp::character lisp::long-float lisp::short-float) lisp::object compiler::*c-gc* "Calls to ~a will be VERY SLOW. Recommend not to proclaim. ~%;;The arg caused the problem. ~a" compiler::proclaimed-return-type compiler::*inline-functions* compiler::*global-funs* "~d()" "LI" :element-type lisp::string-char :fill-pointer :adjustable "~d(" "LI" "#~d)" "#~d," compiler::*next-c - var* lisp::fixnum system::mfsfun lisp::quote "LI" "~a needs ! - ~a args. - ~a supplied." "~%;; ~a Number of proclaimed args was ~a. ~ - ~%;;Its definition had ~a." " ~a is proclaimed but not in *inline-functions* ~ - ~%T1defun could not assure suitability of args for C call" "VOL " "" "" compiler::*register-min* "register " "" compiler::no-global-entry system::putprop (lisp::quote system::function-documentation) system::mfvfun-key "LI" "&LI~akey" system::mfvfun "LI" "L" system::mf "L" "" compiler::*space* compiler::debug-prop system::debug compiler::*downward-closures* "Old style inline" compiler::t3defun-local-entry compiler::return-fixnum compiler::return-character compiler::return-long-float compiler::return-short-float compiler::return-object compiler::t3defun-vararg compiler::t3defun-normal lisp::return compiler::*exit* compiler::*vs* compiler::*max-vs* compiler::*level* compiler::*ccb-vs* compiler::*clink* compiler::*unwind-exit* compiler::*value-to-go* compiler::*reservation-cmacro* compiler::*next-cmacro* compiler::*sup-used* compiler::*restore-avma* compiler::*base-used* compiler::*cs* lisp::character lisp::long-float lisp::short-float "local entry for function " "LI" "LI - " compiler::*tail-recursion-info* compiler::*do-tail-recursion* compiler::t3defun compiler::*compiler-push-events* compiler::tail-recursion-mark compiler::bds-bind "object " compiler::*vararg-use-vs* compiler::*inline-blocks* compiler::cvar "local entry for function " "" "LI" lisp::string "object" "," "," "object,..." "LI" compiler::*safe-compile* compiler::*compiler-check-args* compiler::*last-label* "--" "" compiler::first-var-arg compiler::next-var-arg compiler::*rest-on-stack* :dynamic-extent compiler::location (compiler::vv compiler::fixnum-value) compiler::dummy compiler::vv compiler::fixnum-value "base " "Vcs " "function definition for " "L" "~a has a duplicate definition in this file" compiler::*free-address-registers* compiler::*free-data-registers* (lisp::fixnum lisp::character lisp::short-float lisp::long-float) 100000 1000000 "global entry for the function " "L" "CMPmake_fixnum" "make_fixnum" "code_char" "make_longfloat" "make_shortfloat" "" "LI" "fix" "char_code - " "lf" "sf" "" "long " "GEN " "unsigned char " "float " "dou! - ble " "o -bject " lisp::defmacro "The macro name ~s is not a symbol." 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My apologies -- not the .o file, the log from the compilation posted to the screen. Or, if you prefer, your entire @@ -32659,89 +18753,21 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > gcl_cmptop.o: ASCII English text, with very long lines > > Content of the file attached to this message. -> -> -- Gaby -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZUvz-0002O7-5V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:31:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZUvx-0002ME-Ec - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:31:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZUvv-0002Lm-T4 - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:31:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZUvv-0002Lc-MZ - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:31:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZUz5-0006lC-Q1 - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:34:19 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3SFUvZn008799; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:30:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B117F40A; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:30:57 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k3SFPKu27199; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:25:20 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:25:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 28 Apr 2006 10:35:06 -0400) Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <544q0dvkdh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org you guys might find it more efficient to cooperate using accounts on axiom-developer.org. let me know. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZV0C-0004Bf-KS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:35:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZV0A-0004BC-P3 - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:35:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZV0A-0004Az-8k - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:35:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZV0A-0004Aw-4P; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:35:26 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FZV3K-00073X-4p; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:38:42 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FZV08-0002hw-00; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:35:24 -0400 +Date: 28 Apr 2006 11:35:24 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <544q0dvkdh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 28 Apr 2006 11:35:24 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -32781,57 +18807,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: No, usually the .data file is appended to the .o output by gcc, but here the latter is empty. -Take care, - -> -> -- Gaby -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZV9X-0007c8-5z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:45:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZUgP-0005EN-WD - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:15:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZUgP-0005E3-9W - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZUgP-0005E0-12 - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZUjS-00057u-Uj - for list; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:18:16 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EE54F3CA; - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:14:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3SFBitZ002308; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:11:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3SFBiJf002307; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:11:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 28 Apr 2006 17:11:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <544q0dvkdh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Apr 2006 17:11:44 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org - ---=-=-= Camm Maguire writes: @@ -32846,1213 +18826,11 @@ time. 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Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 28 Apr 2006 17:50:04 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <544q0dvkdh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54odylg1c3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Apr 2006 17:50:04 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -34082,50 +18860,11 @@ module instead of continuing as if everything was OK? I'm taking care of that part since it turns out to be a GCC problem. *Shrug*. -Many thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZtIQ-0004r7-Ma - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:31:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZtIP-0004qH-24 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:31:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZtIN-0004pt-9w - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:31:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZtIN-0004pq-18 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:31:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZtLm-0004Ht-7K - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:35:22 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DB340E24; - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:48 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3THSetZ007061; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:28:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3THSejL007060; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:28:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 29 Apr 2006 19:28:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <544q0dvkdh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54odylg1c3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Apr 2006 19:28:40 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -34138,50 +18877,11 @@ Camm Maguire writes: | No, usually the .data file is appended to the .o output by gcc, but | here the latter is empty. -Aha; thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZtKx-0005QE-Ef - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:34:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZtKv-0005Pm-Pe - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:34:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZtKt-0005P2-MB - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:34:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZtKt-0005Op-6I - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:34:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZtOI-0004Xr-Au - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:37:58 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1058D40E24; - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:34:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3THVItZ007097; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:18 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3THVIsc007096; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 29 Apr 2006 19:31:18 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - - <54aca53lrb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <544q0dvkdh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54odylg1c3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Apr 2006 19:31:18 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -34195,56 +18895,30 @@ The issue is now fixed in the current working development version of GCC I can report a successful build for both GCL and Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZux5-000710-3y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:17:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZux3-0006zy-6w - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:17:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZux0-0006yI-Sc - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:17:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZux0-0006y7-MO - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:17:54 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZv0Q-0005ZY-JS - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:21:26 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.226]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3TJHT2u029865; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:17:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem, - Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: sourceforge cvs Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:16:55 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Re: sourceforge cvs On April 26, 2006 10:39 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 +> > On 26 avril 2006 =E0 22:01 -0400, Tim Daly (root) wrote: > ... > > These are the first few lines of the Makefile for the latest > > version just checked out from the sourceforge cvs. > ... -> > #GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.7 -> > GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.8pre +> > #GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7 +> > GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.8pre > ... ->=20 +> > Checked out another time on a reiserfs partition without success -> (always the Axiom (December 2005) version). So it seems that I'm=20 +> (always the Axiom (December 2005) version). So it seems that I'm > alone with this problem, another thing that I don't understand today. > The "Browse CVS Repository" service don't work too for me... ->=20 +> > Sorry for the inconvenience. ->=20 +> There is definitely a strange problem with the CVS at SourceForge. @@ -34254,7 +18928,7 @@ http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/axiom/axiom/ (December 2005) and -http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/axiom/axiom/Makefile?view=3Dmarkup +http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/axiom/axiom/Makefile?view=markup shows the old version of the Makefile without gcl-2.6.8pre @@ -34263,46 +18937,17 @@ from SourceForge and I did obtain the correct new version. And further more the Savannah CVS browse is also up to date: -http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewcvs/axiom/?root=3Daxiom +http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewcvs/axiom/?root=axiom (patch-49) I don't understand it. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZv1e-0008PL-WB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:22:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZv1c-0008Oz-VS - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:22:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZv1a-0008Ok-K2 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:22:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZv1a-0008Oh-EF - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZv50-0005x2-OK - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:26:10 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3TJM2mA020994; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:22:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:21:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Typo in DeveloperNotes.pamphlet On April 25, 2006 5:44 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: > @@ -34320,55 +18965,26 @@ SourceForge to allow access to SVN? :) I have just updated your admin rights at SourceForge so you should now have full access the same as Gaby. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZv99-00021x-9X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:30:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZv97-00021g-Te - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:30:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZv97-00020y-48 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:30:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZv96-00020v-V4 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:30:24 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZvCX-0006bW-5b - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:33:57 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3TJTsQh022630; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:30:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: axiom opportunity Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:29:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: axiom opportunity On April 26, 2006 2:50 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 +> > Tim Daly (root) writes: ->=20 -> | All of that effort is due to Camm. Unfortunately his tarball of=20 +> +> | All of that effort is due to Camm. Unfortunately his tarball of > | patches are all undocumented so I have no idea why those changes > | are necessary. I'm reluctant to make changes without understanding. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Do you have link to those patches? -> |=20 +> | > | wget daly.axiom-developer.org/axiom_20050901-6.diff ->=20 +> > Thanks! ->=20 +> Concerning documentation of the Debian patches for Axiom recall that: @@ -34408,17 +19024,17 @@ achieved via a load and a si::save-system. I'm hoping 2.7.0 will be the end of this requirement. Take care, -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D -=3D +========================== +========================== +========================== += += --- ./lsp/Makefile.pamphlet.~1.5.~ 2005-09-05 18:50:31.000000000 +0000 +++ ./lsp/Makefile.pamphlet 2005-09-20 21:20:10.000000000 +0000 @@ -1012,14 +1012,7 @@ @echo 1 building ${LSP} ${GCLVERSION} -=20 - gcldir:=20 + + gcldir: - @echo 2 building ${GCLVERSION} - @tar -zxf ${ZIPS}/${GCLVERSION}.tgz -<> @@ -34435,7 +19051,7 @@ si::*system-directory* (quote (list #+native-reloc".o" ".lsp"))) "${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/cfuns-c.o ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/sockio-c.o ${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib/libspad.a")' | gcl @echo 13 finished system build on `date` | tee >gcldir -=20 + ccldir: ${LSP}/ccl/Makefile --- ./src/algebra/Lattice.pamphlet.orig 2005-01-04 23:45:59.000000000 = +0000 @@ -34463,7 +19079,7 @@ ${MID}\")" + rm -f /tmp/tmp.input ) +# @ (cp ${SRC}/../debian/*.daase ${MID}) @ echo If all went well, go-ahead Mike and do a db-install as well ! -=20 + db-install: @@ -39758,7 +39759,8 @@ @ echo rebuilding databases... @@ -34474,7 +19090,7 @@ ${MID}\")" nil)#-native-reloc(system \"cp ${SRC}/../debian/*.daase ${MID}\"))" | ${INTERPSYS} ) +# @ (cp ${SRC}/../debian/*.daase ${MID}) -=20 + check: @ echo Checking that INTERP.EXPOSED and NRLIBs are consistent --- ./src/etc/Makefile.pamphlet.orig 2005-01-30 12:03:12.000000000 +0000 @@ -34494,23 +19110,23 @@ ${SRC}/../debian/*.daase ${MNT}/${SYS}/algebra\"))" | ${INTERPSYS} ) +# @ cp ${INT}/algebra/*.daase ${MNT}/${SYS}/algebra +# @ (cp ${SRC}/../debian/*.daase ${MNT}/${SYS}/algebra) -=20 + @ \section{summary} --- ./src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet.orig 2005-06-05 03:23:35.000000000 = +0000 +++ ./src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet 2005-09-20 21:36:15.000000000 +0000 @@ -1173,7 +1173,8 @@ -=20 + Until this is fixed we need to continue to use the old scheme. - <>=3D=20 --CMD0=3D (progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote = + <>= +-CMD0= (progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote = (${OBJS1}))) (system::save-system "${SAVESYS}")) -+#CMD0=3D (progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote = ++#CMD0= (progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote = (${OBJS1}))) (system::save-system "${SAVESYS}")) -+CMD0=3D (if (member :native-reloc *features*) (progn (mapcar (function ++CMD0= (if (member :native-reloc *features*) (progn (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (load x))) (quote (${OBJS1}))) (system::save-system "${SAVESYS}")) (compiler::link (quote (${OBJS1})) "${SAVESYS}" (format = nil @@ -34520,7 +19136,7 @@ t)) (setq compiler::*default-system-p* t)" si::*system-directory* (quote = (list ".lsp"))))) - =20 + @ \subsection{boothdr.lisp \cite{1}} --- ./src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet.orig 2005-09-20 21:48:56.000000000 = @@ -34528,7 +19144,7 @@ t)) +++ ./src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet 2005-09-20 21:49:14.000000000 +0000 @@ -576,7 +576,28 @@ \begin{verbatim} - <>=3D + <>= @ (cd ${MNT}/${SYS}/bin ; \ - echo '(progn (load "${OUT}/makedep.lisp") (spad-save "${DEPSYS}"))' | ${LISPSYS}) @@ -34565,7 +19181,7 @@ t)\ + nil))' | ${LISPSYS}) @ \end{verbatim} -=20 + @@ -880,8 +901,36 @@ @ echo '#+:akcl (setq compiler::*suppress-compiler-notes* t)' >> ${OUT}/makeint.lisp @@ -34620,70 +19236,37 @@ $(OBJ)/$(SYS)/lib/cfuns-c.o $(OBJ)/$(SYS)/lib/libspad.a" \ @ echo 6 ${SAVESYS} created @ cp ${SAVESYS} ${AXIOMSYS} @ echo 6a ${AXIOMSYS} created -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D -=3D +========================== +========================== +========================== += += -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > > > also, how do we handle the fact that users can build gcl > > > using the -ansi switch. that means that their local copy > > > of gcl cannot be used by axiom (yet). -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > The Debian prerequiste for Axiom is the non-ansi version of > > gcl. If the non-ansi version is not installed on the system > > then 'apt-get install axiom' will also install it. ->=20 -> true but not everyone uses debian.=20 +> +> true but not everyone uses debian. > how do we solve the redhat9 issue? ->=20 +> Note that the rpms created by alien from the debian binaries work on redhad9. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZvxW-00036j-R9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:22:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZvC9-00038I-05 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:33:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZvC6-00036b-Vn - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:33:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZvC6-00036W-Td - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:33:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZvFW-0006sQ-PL - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:37:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3TJWtXY006595; - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:33:02 +0200 (CEST) -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, "Nicolas M. Thiery" - , Antoine Hersen, Bernhard - Gittenberger , - =?iso-8859-2?q?Petr_Hlin=ECn=FD?= , - carsten.schneider@risc.uni-linz.ac.at, Peter.Paule@risc.uni-linz.ac.at, - christian.aistleitner@gmx.at -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Apr 2006 21:38:40 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - mupad-combinat-users@lists.sourceforge.net, aldor-l +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Nicolas M. Thiery Subject: A{ld,xi}o{r,m}-Combinat ---=-=-= Dear all, @@ -34715,292 +19298,12 @@ Finally I would like to say a big "thank you" to Ralf Hemmecke! 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Thiery'" +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: A{ld,xi}o{r,m}-Combinat +Cc: Nicolas M. Thiery Martin, @@ -35063,44 +19366,12 @@ Thanks for the quick report. I am glad to hear that it turned out so well. Perhaps we will hear also from some of the other participants? 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Thiery'" - +Cc: Nicolas M. Thiery --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -35179,47 +19450,12 @@ video camera to record the talks (provided the speakers agree, of course.) This was done for at least one of the Blender conferences and I found it a very interesting resource. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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The primary problem seems to be that the prompt work-arounds needed for the patch-49 version aren't required for the @@ -35235,1026 +19471,12 @@ scratch, and then typing M-x axiom-mode. Something cleaner is probably possible but that's how I normally test this so I haven't figured out the clean way yet. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thiery'" , - 'axiom-dev' +Cc: Nicolas M. Thiery Hello, @@ -36340,37 +19562,11 @@ the workshop. Now I can hardly speak anymore. :-( All the best and also a big thanks to Martin who first came up with the idea to have such a workshop at RISC and who worked quite a lot for it. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZykJ-0003XG-3d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:21:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZykH-0003Wn-Mw - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:21:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZykF-0003WW-Ld - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:21:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZykF-0003WT-Gv - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:20:59 -0400 -Received: from [218.40.30.107] (helo=smtp10.tiki.ne.jp) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZynh-0006mR-Ql - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:24:34 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.5] (pl183.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp - [210.136.182.183]) (authenticated bits=0) - by smtp10.tiki.ne.jp (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3TNKqTE017920 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:20:53 +0900 (JST) - (envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp) -From: Jean-Christophe Helary -Subject: re: sourceforge cvs Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:20:39 +0900 +From: Jean-Christophe Helary To: list +Subject: re: sourceforge cvs > There is definitely a strange problem with the CVS at SourceForge. @@ -36382,38 +19578,11 @@ when the developer keeps adding stuff everyday. There is a note somewhere on SF about that. -JC Helary - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyoe-0004i3-Cw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:25:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyod-0004hj-11 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:25:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyoc-0004hN-Ax - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:25:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZyoc-0004hJ-3w - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:25:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZys4-0007Hc-L6 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:29:04 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3TNPPfa018486 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:25:26 +0200 +\start Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:25:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Emacs mode in Windows -Cc: list Hello Cliff, @@ -36423,47 +19592,15 @@ that is not a pamphlet file. Or is it and I just don't know? Always think of those poor guys who come after you and had to modify your stuff. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyuW-0006jC-1g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyuU-0006ib-5H - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyuT-0006i4-1l - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZyuS-0006i1-V0 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:31:32 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZyxv-0007bU-Cq - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:35:07 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k3TNVUfa018699 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:31:30 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:31:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev Subject: Re: A{ld,xi}o{r,m}-Combinat -Cc: Oooop, no it was not intentional that I forgot the code in my last mail on this thread. Sorry. -Ralf - - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---- CombClass @@ -36555,44 +19692,13 @@ count 6 = 42 ENDE #endif - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyzN-0008Jx-4g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:36:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyzL-0008Jp-9H - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:36:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FZyzK-0008Jd-DJ - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:36:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZyzK-0008Ja-AQ - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:36:34 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZz2n-0007xk-1C - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:40:09 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24FB4F3BE; - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:36:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k3TNXOtZ008288; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:33:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k3TNXONH008287; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:33:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: axiom opportunity -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Apr 2006 01:33:24 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: axiom opportunity -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 26, 2006 2:50 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -36616,38 +19722,11 @@ Cc: list Many thanks. I'll go over this later when time permits. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa17N-0001LG-OY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:53:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa17M-0001JZ-1Z - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:53:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa17K-0001Il-8v - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:52:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fa17K-0001Ig-2f - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:52:58 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.194] (helo=web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fa1An-0008M4-S1 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:56:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 54365 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2006 01:52:56 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Pzh5Tb7BmsYDzTbLDS3kCRE7OQvGdeJT9h0uYqAkLwmhv/7jpkWWjT2X21RJB9t5xgW2nxZd0RMl0KOecE99JdQ5qhBIPUTUWGEVHaxE9bnNIWjY39XrwAAOi1CQcOBb5Fg8rkDkrtejmGxzerZFhwIINPIc2WH2miiOyv+XVao= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:52:56 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Emacs mode in Windows To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Emacs mode in Windows --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -36698,43 +19777,12 @@ I think this mode will have to stay in the Sandbox for quite a while - there are many changes and features to come before it can claim to be a really serious asset to users or developers. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa1t9-00080t-2E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:42:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa1t8-00080Y-3Z - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:42:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa1t6-0007zv-PJ - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:42:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fa1t6-0007zo-MC - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:42:20 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fa1wb-0003kl-3Y - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:45:57 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3U2fsh0021404; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:42:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows +\start Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:41:37 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On April 29, 2006 9:53 PM C Y wrote: > ... @@ -36848,43 +19896,12 @@ date with the linux sources. > developers. > -Keep up the good work! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa2lu-0002X3-0m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:38:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa2ls-0002Wy-5g - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:38:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fa2lq-0002Wm-JI - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:38:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fa2lq-0002Wj-Bo - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:38:54 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.184] (helo=web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fa2pL-0008SC-B8 - for list; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:42:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 69458 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2006 03:38:53 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=aHdKfFkpbIs0HSD7JdZcS7l1yGYmK4yioukbdc5kr8Fjki6J8Mo+cOQxyXJA1LpoFfrHhYtkZ2m7JBc7+0/+HqpbKj56qmu/Q0IjWPFKcME3BUfE50whwqs67zKufGEUN4SQvwsDqx5F2bOeQ4V3uOXLktBE+o9T6Q8lF15zILI= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:38:53 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -37065,49 +20082,12 @@ session and start Axiom up behind it. I've got more ideas, but that should be enough to keep me out of trouble for a while. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaDz3-0004nO-I9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:37:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaDz1-0004ip-Aw - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:37:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaDyz-0004fI-G7 - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:37:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaDyz-0004f4-6B - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:37:13 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FaE2b-0008KJ-7h - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:40:57 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k3UFa6jO002993; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:37:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Wilken Rivera'" +\start Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:35:48 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Douglas Troeger' , - 'Yegor Bryukhov' , - 'gilbert baumslag' , - 'Bernice' Bernice Rogowitz, - 'Gilbert Baumslag' , list -Subject: RE: Doyen @ ASEE Mid-Atlantic Spring Conference - 2006 +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Wilken Rivera +Cc: Douglas Troeger, Yegor Bryukhov, Gilbert Baumslag, Bernice Rogowitz +Subject: RE: Doyen @ ASEE Mid-Atlantic Spring Conference 2006 On April 30, 2006 10:43 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -37147,53 +20127,13 @@ Could you include some of your photos? Maybe something like this: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomMeeting2005 -Cheers, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaEi3-0005Us-MY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:23:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaEi2-0005UP-4h - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:23:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaEhy-0005Sz-5B - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:23:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaEhy-0005Su-0U - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:23:42 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FaEla-0003uY-Ej - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:27:26 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k3UGNdcV024790 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:23:39 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k3UGNdQU024787; - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:23:39 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:23:39 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Vanuxem Gr?gory Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: re: [MathML] - Bill Page, list - <20060425180903.GE19448@mcelrath.org> - <1145991452.8964.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" -Cc: list - ---huq684BweRXVnRxX - -Vanuxem Gr?gory [Gregory Vanuxem] wrote: +Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > Could you take a look at http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxMathML ? > > > > I think I have copied all the relevant bits from tex.spad.pamphlet but @@ -37241,72 +20181,19 @@ So then I try manually converting to OutputForm first: what am I doing wrong? -Thanks, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---huq684BweRXVnRxX - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEVOSKjwioWRGe9K0RAhVWAJoDN98UVTgdTveBfNd1qtCx6vFgGgCeOtxj -0H/fMmRnsO5RbCUkuCE1/i8= -=LlWI ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---huq684BweRXVnRxX-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaFav-00018j-Hd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:20:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaFau-00018Y-3E - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:20:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaFar-00017Z-BP - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:20:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaFar-00017N-4f - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:20:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=smtp8.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaFeU-0000Zo-27 - for list; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:24:10 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14C2F1C00382 - for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:20:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-4-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-4-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.146.96]) - by mwinf0804.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A2231C003FE; - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:20:22 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: [MathML] -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bob McElrath - <20060425180903.GE19448@mcelrath.org> - <1145991452.8964.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> - <20060430162338.GA31736@mcelrath.org> +\start Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:20:34 +0200 -Cc: list - -Hi, - -Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 =E0 09:23 -0700, Bob McElrath a =E9crit : +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: re: [MathML] [...] > Thanks for the hint but it still doesn't work. If I read teh above > correctly, it should be used like: ->=20 +> > x::MathMLFormat1(OutputForm) ->=20 +> > Cannot convert from type Variable x to MathMLFormat1 OutputForm for > value x @@ -37321,12 +20208,12 @@ coerce(x)$MathMLFormat1(POLY INT); > So then I try manually converting to OutputForm first: ->=20 +> > x::OutputForm::MathMLFormat1(OutputForm) ->=20 +> > Cannot convert from type OutputForm to MathMLFormat1 OutputForm for > value x ->=20 +> > what am I doing wrong? To coerce any element to MathMLFormat without the MathMLFormat1 package @@ -37354,60 +20241,11 @@ The interpreter here try to coerce the MathMLFormat element to OutputForm (to print it on the screen) so you have to implement the function 'coerce: $ -> OutputForm' in the MathMLFormat domain. -Hope that helps, - -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - ->=20 -> Thanks, -> Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] ->=20 -> "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country -> democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every -> kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they -> might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one -> meaning." -- George Orwell=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaGFL-0005NY-1Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:02:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaGFJ-0005NR-Kq - for list; 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Mon, 01 May 2006 11:25:10 +0200 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Issue building silver tree (was: re: Editing - wiki frontpage) - -From: David Mentre Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:25:10 +0200 - Reis's message of "01 May 2006 03:39:27 +0200") -Cc: list +From: David Mentre +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Issue building silver tree (was: re: Editing wiki frontpage) Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -119,47 +56,12 @@ the axiom tree. 'make clean' does not work neither, with the same error. -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaXrI-0002IJ-N2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:50:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaXrG-0002Hl-C6 - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:50:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaXrF-0002HC-JV - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:50:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaXrF-0002H4-6n - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:50:33 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaXv3-0000YC-Cp - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:54:29 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k41CoL4o017387; - Mon, 1 May 2006 08:50:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-17-240.zoominternet.net [72.23.17.240]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340D37F406; - Mon, 1 May 2006 08:50:21 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k41Cieo04454; - Mon, 1 May 2006 08:44:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:44:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Mentre - (Bill Page) Subject: re: sourceforge cvs -Cc: ybryukhov@gmail.com, magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, - list +Cc: Yegor Bryukhov David, @@ -270,35 +172,11 @@ http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewcvs/axiom/?root=axiom I don't understand it. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaY8A-00070u-Aw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:08:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaY88-00070i-IM - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:08:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaY85-0006zd-BS - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:07:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaY85-0006za-8S - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:07:57 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FaYBt-0002ih-Py - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:11:53 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.226]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k41D7J4Y019547; Mon, 1 May 2006 09:07:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'David MENTRE'" David Mentre -Subject: RE: Issue building silver tree (was: re: - Editing wiki frontpage) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:06:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: David Mentre +Subject: RE: Issue building silver tree (was: re: Editing wiki frontpage) David, @@ -362,48 +240,13 @@ the Makefile. To correct this it would be necessary to fix the Axiom Makefile or to avoid it by first deleting all the and .svn directories and files throughout the source tree. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYLK-0008To-86 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:21:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYLG-0008RJ-Vz - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:21:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYLF-0008QU-JY - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:21:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaYLF-0008QK-6o - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:21:33 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp14.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaYP3-0003gZ-SB - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:25:30 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6DC1700008A - for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:21:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-63-239.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr - [81.53.142.239]) - by mwinf1404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9952E7000095; - Mon, 1 May 2006 15:21:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1FaYLx-0001nb-9X; Mon, 01 May 2006 15:22:17 +0200 +Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:22:17 +0200 +From: David Mentre To: Tim Daly Subject: re: sourceforge cvs - <200605011244.k41Cieo04454@localhost.localdomain> -From: David Mentre -Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:22:17 +0200 - (Tim Daly's - message of "Mon, 1 May 2006 08:44:40 -0400") -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Sourceforge SVN seems to be broken. Yours is the latest complaint I've > seen from the sourceforge SVN/CVS archives. @@ -423,50 +266,11 @@ fixed. > > diff -r --brief archcheckout svncheckout | grep -v arch-id -Thank you for the tip. - -Best wishes, -d. --- -David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYTz-0003e5-JY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:30:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYTx-0003dI-Vh - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:30:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYTv-0003by-1g - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:30:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaYTu-0003br-U5 - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:30:30 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaYXj-0004pF-NP - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:34:27 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949624109B; - Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k41DQwtZ015681; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:26:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k41DQwwj015680; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:26:58 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 May 2006 15:26:58 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: David Mentre Subject: re: Editing wiki frontpage - - <87k6965dmz.fsf@linux-france.org> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 May 2006 15:26:58 +0200 -Cc: list David Mentre writes: @@ -483,45 +287,11 @@ David Mentre writes: yes, Absolutely. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYXb-0007Zy-DT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:34:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYXZ-0007Ym-Qx - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:34:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaYXZ-0007YK-8g - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:34:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaYXY-0007YH-VT - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:34:17 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaYbN-00056a-RW - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:38:14 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE384141A; - Mon, 1 May 2006 15:34:10 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k41DUotZ015717; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k41DUop8015716; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: David Mentre -Subject: Re: Issue building silver tree (was: re: - Editing wiki frontpage) - - <87bqui5c7d.fsf_-_@linux-france.org> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 May 2006 15:30:50 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: David Mentre +Subject: Re: Issue building silver tree (was: re: Editing wiki frontpage) David Mentre writes: @@ -552,46 +322,14 @@ that makes a difference. Bill and others identified the problems as being related to recursive copy. I'll be working for a solution to this problem. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaZGG-0001nq-L7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:20:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaZGF-0001n4-SD - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:20:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaZGD-0001lt-8K - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:20:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaZGD-0001lk-2j - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:20:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaZK2-0000ri-E0 - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 10:24:22 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EED410EA; - Mon, 1 May 2006 16:15:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k41ECFtZ015871; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:12:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k41ECFC0015870; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:12:15 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 May 2006 16:12:15 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: sourceforge cvs - <200605011244.k41Cieo04454@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 May 2006 16:12:15 +0200 -Cc: ybryukhov@gmail.com, magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, - list +Cc: Yegor Bryukhov -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | David, | @@ -609,45 +347,13 @@ does not matter) that SVN's way of keeping things exposes. There is also an issue with your "recursive noise" patch, that I'll fix in the silver branch shortly. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Faf9G-0003JQ-Ic - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:37:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Faf9F-0003JD-9e - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:37:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Faf9D-0003J1-S9 - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:37:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Faf9D-0003Iy-Mv - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:37:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Faf9D-0001ZT-LK - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:37:35 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911BB4F3C7; - Mon, 1 May 2006 22:37:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k41KYCtZ017274; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:34:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k41KYC82017273; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:34:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200604271937.k3RJb1q26475@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 May 2006 22:34:12 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom trunk failure -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | yep. it turns off the "tail recursion" noise. bill schelter and i | worked on creating tail recursion in AKCL. This was just a debugging @@ -686,89 +392,22 @@ Next: I don't promise to do all that by tonight :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FafDS-0004GA-St - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:41:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FafDR-0004Fc-1v - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:41:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FafDQ-0004FQ-B4 - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:41:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FafDQ-0004FN-81 - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:41:56 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FafDQ-0001qF-Dy - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:41:56 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k41Kfr4m031997; 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Mon, 1 May 2006 22:55:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200604271937.k3RJb1q26475@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605012036.k41KaB004691@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 May 2006 22:55:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom trunk failure -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | silver was converted from patch-49 which has the gcl-2.6.8pre patches. | those patches were in the system as of patch-48. @@ -781,37 +420,11 @@ I do not have them in checked out SVN version, nor are they visible here I was under the impression that patch-49 happened after the conversion to SVN. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Faj3a-0003Fr-Ei - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Faj3Z-0003FY-5U - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Faj3X-0003Dg-LV - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Faj3X-0003DX-HR - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:47:59 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Faj3a-000464-1H - for list; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:48:02 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k420lHrD028366; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:47:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:47:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Axiom trunk failure On May 1, 2006 4:34 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -826,48 +439,13 @@ I suggest: http://wiki.gnuarch.org/Tla_20Reference_2fdelta -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaoAW-0000ju-UK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Tue, 2 May 2006 08:12:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200604271937.k3RJb1q26475@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 May 2006 08:12:03 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom trunk failure -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | yep. it turns off the "tail recursion" noise. bill schelter and i | worked on creating tail recursion in AKCL. This was just a debugging @@ -880,44 +458,13 @@ Tim, Is there a reason why this code should not be contributed back to GCL so that we don't have to patch GCL all the time? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaolS-0003sN-3C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 02:53:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaolQ-0003rB-3s - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 02:53:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FaolO-0003q3-AK - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 02:53:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaolN-0003pk-UE - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 02:53:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaolT-00045i-QJ - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 02:53:44 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DEF40FFE; - Tue, 2 May 2006 08:53:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k426oHtZ019411; Tue, 2 May 2006 08:50:18 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k426oHAg019410; Tue, 2 May 2006 08:50:17 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 May 2006 08:50:17 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 1, 2006 4:34 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -945,46 +492,12 @@ in the CHANGELOG) from 20060115 till now. I browsed the tla reference manual; I don't seem to see a way to specify revision at a particular date. I'll try the CVS repo.. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FarqU-0006IE-Cz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 06:11:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FarqR-0006I4-N7 - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 06:11:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FarqQ-0006Ho-1Y - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 06:11:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FarqP-0006Hl-Qw - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 06:11:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FarqV-0006f8-PO - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 06:11:09 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91D64F3F6; - Tue, 2 May 2006 12:10:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k42A7ZtZ020277; Tue, 2 May 2006 12:07:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k42A7ZLT020276; Tue, 2 May 2006 12:07:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 May 2006 12:07:35 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Syncing SVN repo and -patch-49 ---=-=-= - Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | I'll try the CVS repo.. @@ -997,935 +510,18 @@ as reported by both tla and cvs. The SVN repo should now be in sync with -patch-49. Built and tested on an i686-pc-linux-gnu. --- Gaby - - ---=-=-= - -H4sICFsqV0QAA2F4aW9tLTQ3LTQ5LXJlcG9ydC50eHQA7D1pdxPHsp/xr2gI5wSMNNoX+4Evwhjw -DTZ+thOSSzg3o5mWNPFs6Z6xLLjOb39V1T2rFsvGEHIfDseWuquru6tr7yWbzJqY/phLHjHBw0BE -G5vwwQvOuc1GjsvlxgaDnw9OKGtjy602jS78F40/bACgadtFMCmsmuOHcVTzzNDlwZlB34zQ9MKJ -y6N5XD3DCvyRM44FB1gAjKzJPFQ/hGrLC30+NaDs3/DRMl3XcGV4jSYjGMHVTdYeTgq4CmpiuI4f -Xxg2H8mVgEjSxTWx71zgysCAnOjfUEVzuGJ0aSPPPOO4QmVoP5jyoQELZpjTMyMKIn5h+NOVUL7p -rUDjOkNAY0rLcVYiysMtBZITDstrhc7oKhg/8OOrYUQwuhITwXjeWmCrJqjAonyfICteYDsjJxOX -fd/mF9ts99Xg8OXe6zcvN558+s/G8e4J4d9mNetciiCIauaFE3j6d9pZ5XxD8Eg4/NzxxyDv5450 -Ap81jN7Wkop+cwPGP2LVkFUFwtEfKN3c3MwmcafJ/mn6rFmvd1mzuV3vbjcbrFqHnzuEu1qt5oAb -fTYIhYKut7Y7W9utdgqtUOd/qKtGpcXoC6JqVLodBh+qG48IS73d6LEotKGM6F5tb5VrFgoei0Pb -jLh9NfBqWdTKdA4PwNQOtByyVUoEKc7FgpGsgyEdxSIkYnLBjk13xF5xz+PWGWePBXx9OtFfQUHt -JMNnYzcYgnqdlUeRqfcplxEXSrujGWAPLZebgoUiCKFvh0sWLm+dzmTkXDAbmkQK0xotsK8PDoxZ 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Subject: Re: Axiom trunk failure no particular reason. you can submit it as a patch. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb22H-0001ii-8J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:03:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb22F-0001ht-Pb - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:03:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb22B-0001gV-9v - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:03:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fb22B-0001gS-2s - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:03:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fb22P-0008Gt-IE - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:04:05 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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[if you're into using SVK, I recommend version 1.05 or newer] - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb2o8-0001yM-M0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:53:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb2o7-0001yB-0k - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:53:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb2o5-0001xK-CU - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:53:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fb2o5-0001xG-6u - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:53:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fb2oJ-0004Hl-SS - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 17:53:36 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2855C4F3B0; - Tue, 2 May 2006 23:53:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k42LnwtZ022915; Tue, 2 May 2006 23:49:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k42LnwbF022914; Tue, 2 May 2006 23:49:58 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: David Mentre -Subject: Re: Issue building silver tree (was: re: - Editing wiki frontpage) - - <87bqui5c7d.fsf_-_@linux-france.org> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 May 2006 23:49:58 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: David Mentre +Subject: Re: Issue building silver tree (was: re: Editing wiki frontpage) David Mentre writes: @@ -2051,37 +612,10 @@ should not fix the real problem. see the section on SVK. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb7nw-0005s0-1P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:13:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb7nu-0005q4-2l - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:13:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fb7nr-0005ps-NH - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:13:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fb7nr-0005pp-Gu - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:13:27 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.188] (helo=web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fb7o9-0001qG-Ie - for list; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:13:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 53077 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2006 03:13:26 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=xYqUys8hsNrq7GtlLzJ8L5uhMwOvVYGQCFDKfBNP/5QooUNAs4br0vBXUVBkSXXEhNrn4QMA31zM6EOmVfIs5W0WJQekvIBSD2we3OYsnB64SXuBirNbY7tgrqvVxvOQGVDddtv4HpRGgaDjTvchHwSixE892Bj+YUicUbme248= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 02 May 2006 20:13:26 PDT Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Jay Belanger, list -Cc: +To: Jay Belanger Subject: Check for item in PATH in Emacs? Does anybody know of a way to check for, say, "axiom" in the PATH on a @@ -2092,52 +626,14 @@ the Emacs buffer) and if it isn't available fall back to "AXIOMsys". I know I could do some hackery with running "which axiom" on Linux but I'm hoping for something more straightforward and portable. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbNGJ-0000Lu-M8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:43:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbNGH-0000Im-4Z - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:43:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbNGE-0000Gt-3r - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:43:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbNGD-0000Gh-Rv - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:43:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbNGf-0007Th-63 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:44:13 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4289A4F3BC; - Wed, 3 May 2006 21:43:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k43JeEtZ027440; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:40:15 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k43JeEpx027439; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:40:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 May 2006 21:40:14 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: size issue with noweb - <200604211924.k3LJOt114130@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 May 2006 21:40:14 +0200 -Cc: dtroeger@cssfs0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu, list, - David Mentre +Cc: Douglas Troeger, David Mentre -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -2162,45 +658,13 @@ wholeheartly agreed. Thankfully, I'm not in your shoes :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbO7w-0000QO-MI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbO7v-0000OD-Cl - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbO7t-0000Ly-92 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbO7t-0000Lt-4H - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbO8L-0003uM-4l - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:39:41 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D59E4F399; - Wed, 3 May 2006 22:38:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k43KZktZ027660; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:35:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k43KZkSS027659; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:35:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200605032005.k43K5Ew06437@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 May 2006 22:35:46 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: noweb -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | there is still a bit of controversy over the noweb inclusion. | some people (notably, but not limited to, FreeBSD) want to @@ -2261,43 +725,10 @@ resend it to the list? Thanks! There seems to be two lists named axiom-developer: One at sourceforge, and one at nongnu.org. I believe we should "close" the former. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbOJX-0001yh-M2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:51:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbOJV-0001tZ-B1 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:51:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbOJT-0001pn-LZ - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:51:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbOJT-0001pZ-Gk - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:51:11 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbOJv-0005EQ-Ot - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:51:39 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k43Ko3Zt007606; - Wed, 3 May 2006 16:50:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABB87F40C; - Wed, 3 May 2006 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k43KiIp06467; - Wed, 3 May 2006 16:44:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:44:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 03 May 2006 22:35:46 +0200) - <200605032005.k43K5Ew06437@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list Subject: Re: noweb the axiom-developer@lists.sourceforge.net was created because the @@ -2317,47 +748,13 @@ blogged it all over town. ah, the upcoming horror and ensuing destruction! -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbOny-00045q-5M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbOnx-00045Y-98 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbOnw-00045K-OS - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbOnw-000457-KF - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbOoP-000806-90 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:23:09 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4891C4F3B0; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:22:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k43LJEtZ027870; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:19:15 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k43LJEoY027869; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:19:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200605032005.k43K5Ew06437@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605032044.k43KiIp06467@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 May 2006 23:19:14 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: noweb -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | the axiom-developer@lists.sourceforge.net was created because the | mailing list list failed for a week or so. @@ -2385,50 +782,11 @@ Axiom at sourceforge -- "just in case". | | ah, the upcoming horror and ensuing destruction! -:-) :-) - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbPag-0007Zx-Mt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:13:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbJrW-0001fr-TA - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:06:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbJrU-0001eH-V2 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:06:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbJrU-0001e8-L7 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:06:00 -0400 -Received: from [129.175.52.4] (helo=matups.math.u-psud.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbJrt-0004HA-OS - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 12:06:26 -0400 -Received: from barah.math.u-psud.fr (barah.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.52.24]) - by matups.math.u-psud.fr (8.13.6/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id - k43G5iZr028467 ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:05:44 +0200 (MEST) -Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by barah.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA6A614002; - Wed, 3 May 2006 18:05:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from barah.math.u-psud.fr ([127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (barah [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP - id 13782-05; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:05:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from eole.univ-lyon1.fr (geo.math.u-psud.fr [129.175.50.56]) - by barah.math.u-psud.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703CB614001; - Wed, 3 May 2006 18:05:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: by eole.univ-lyon1.fr (Postfix, from userid 1001) - id 1410737CCAC; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:05:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:05:31 +0200 -From: "Nicolas M. Thiery" +From: Nicolas Thiery To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: A{ld,xi}o{r,m}-Combinat - <4453F40E.7000703@hemmecke.de> - id k43G5iZr028467 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - mupad-combinat-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Actually, I must thank Nicolas quite a bit. He showed in his talks > how useful recursion is. And how this is currently done in @@ -2489,60 +847,28 @@ Thanks Martin and Ralf for that very fun workshop! PS: I will put the slides of my talk on the MuPAD-Combinat web page shortly: http://mupad-combinat.sf.net/ - ---=20 -Nicolas M. Thi=E9ry "Isil" Nicolas Thiery -http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbSHL-0001vG-Th - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:05:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbSHL-0001v0-0h - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:05:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbSHH-0001u6-FR - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:05:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbSHH-0001tu-8j - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:05:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbSHl-0006lp-Vo - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:05:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7F0386A5F3; - Wed, 3 May 2006 21:05:03 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AEFA36AC28; - Wed, 3 May 2006 21:05:01 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:05:06 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom trunk failure -Thread-Index: AcZtr9gdqQw1kRzkS2S3IGocdIZhxgBYgiWw From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:12 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 +> > Tim Daly (root) writes: ->=20 +> > | yep. it turns off the "tail recursion" noise. bill schelter > | and i worked on creating tail recursion in AKCL. This was > | just a debugging message at the time. For some reason it > | outlived its useful life and continues in the current code > | base. the message "exposes" lisp to the user of the axiom > | interpreter so i removed it. ->=20 +> > Tim, ->=20 +> > Is there a reason why this code should not be contributed back -> to GCL so that we don't have to patch GCL all the time? =20 ->=20 +> to GCL so that we don't have to patch GCL all the time? +> As far as I know this patch is irrelevant since the message is controlled by the GCL switch @@ -2554,41 +880,11 @@ http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2003-09/msg00195.html Note that the patch is not used on Debian. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbSpX-0001Gf-GD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:40:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbSpW-0001EV-5z - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:40:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbSpU-0001DZ-H6 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:40:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbSpU-0001DW-CU - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:40:32 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbSpz-0000pB-E7 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:41:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D2AF56B2E6; - Wed, 3 May 2006 21:40:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E84866B289; - Wed, 3 May 2006 21:33:58 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:34:09 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZu8cFiqCX0AGFHQ0+DDgps+iBvFQAJ442A From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: noweb Gaby, @@ -2596,13 +892,13 @@ Thanks for your continuing work on the Axiom Silver branch! :) On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 4:36 PM you wrote: > ... -> Tim Daly (root) wrote:=20 +> Tim Daly (root) wrote: > | modules.c is one way to fix the noweb bug. i've submitted it > | as a patch to norman ramsey but he rejected it saying that i > | should use sed/awk to fix the problem rather than patch the > | C code. unfortunately i'm not a sed/awk programmer so rather > | than learn two new tools i simply kept the patch (which works). ->=20 +> > Can you give me a test for detecting the problem, or at least > a detailed description of how to reproduce it? Did Norman > Ramsey suggest on which file you should use the sed/awk fix? @@ -2624,8 +920,8 @@ axiom-noweb: #!/bin/sh awk ' -/@use / { uses [substr($0, 6)] =3D 1 } -/@defn / { defns[substr($0, 7)] =3D 1 } +/@use / { uses [substr($0, 6)] = 1 } +/@defn / { defns[substr($0, 7)] = 1 } { print } END { for (i in uses) @@ -2640,7 +936,7 @@ exit 0 sed '1,/test with/d' $0 | notangle -filter $0 -<<*>>=3D +<<*>>= return x << 2 >> 2; @ @@ -2656,46 +952,14 @@ documentation for noweb filters is here: http://www.literateprogramming.com/noweb_hacker.pdf --------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTGq-0005L2-62 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:08:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTGn-0005Jj-7O - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:08:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTGl-0005Hx-Mz - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:08:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbTGl-0005Hn-8w - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:08:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbTHG-0003Lf-Kr - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:09:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 70E916BBFF; - Wed, 3 May 2006 22:08:42 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 83EDE6BBAC; - Wed, 3 May 2006 22:08:40 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Check for item in PATH in Emacs? Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:08:50 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Check for item in PATH in Emacs? -Thread-Index: AcZuX5RyA2qX1KgzSGi6UUTcpicgogAv3vTg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Check for item in PATH in Emacs? On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:13 PM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > Does anybody know of a way to check for, say, "axiom" in the > PATH on a particular system from Emacs? Trying to run something > via comint seems to result in an error which stops everything. @@ -2704,7 +968,7 @@ On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:13 PM C Y wrote: > available fall back to "AXIOMsys". I know I could do some hackery > with running "which axiom" on Linux but I'm hoping for something > more straightforward and portable. ->=20 +> I'm no emacs hacker, but it looks like some code in emacs esh-ext might do what you want. See: @@ -2732,43 +996,11 @@ http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~mmwasile/data/elisp/eshell-2.4.2/esh-ext.el file))) ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTiW-0001VO-Se - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:37:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTiU-0001Ut-Sn - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:37:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTiS-0001Ug-8i - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:37:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbTiS-0001Ud-3E - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:37:20 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbTix-0005DW-Nx - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:37:51 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0250140E27; - Thu, 4 May 2006 04:37:16 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k442XgtZ029396; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:33:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k442Xg5S029395; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:33:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 04:33:42 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 04:33:42 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -2808,42 +1040,11 @@ received no public answer... That is good. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTrn-0006L5-SM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:46:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTrm-0006L0-2k - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:46:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbTrj-0006Ko-Hy - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:46:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbTrj-0006Kl-DF - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:46:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbTsF-0005nO-2U - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:47:27 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA304F3B8; - Thu, 4 May 2006 04:46:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k442hStZ029412; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:43:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k442hSx8029411; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:43:28 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 04:43:28 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 04:43:28 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -2877,42 +1078,11 @@ Tim, be already present in GCL. Please could you clarify why we are still keeping more than patches for GCL? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbU4X-0000ek-Kz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:00:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbU4V-0000ef-Ke - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:00:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbU4U-0000e4-2A - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:00:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbU4T-0000dl-Vx - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:00:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbU4z-0006l1-OG - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:00:37 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4430296004329; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:00:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9067F404; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:00:02 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k442sIl06612; - Wed, 3 May 2006 22:54:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:54:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: re: noweb -Cc: list Bill, @@ -2959,49 +1129,13 @@ person who needs to maintain it might not understand it either. the fact that you understand a scripting language does not make it the least bit transparent to me. -t - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUCF-0006g8-Ro - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:08:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUCD-0006g3-Lg - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:08:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUCC-0006fr-3I - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:08:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbUCB-0006fo-Vz - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:08:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUCh-0007Mx-U6 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:08:36 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749894F3A4; - Thu, 4 May 2006 05:08:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4434atZ029484; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:04:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4434aBe029483; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:04:36 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 05:04:36 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: noweb - <200605040254.k442sIl06612@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 05:04:36 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Bill, | @@ -3025,40 +1159,11 @@ platform; it will do it for the target platform if necessary. I can do this if I'm given sufficient detail of how to detect the problem and where the filter could possibly reside. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUGp-0007pa-RZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:12:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUGn-0007pQ-Nw - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:12:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUGl-0007pE-EL - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:12:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbUGl-0007pB-9E - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:12:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUHH-0007cS-90 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:13:19 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C77DB6BADC; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:12:45 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 56C976B830; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:12:43 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:12:41 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZvJt9ArKIRVunBSDuAC4YtHaIYQgAAGKTQ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: noweb Tim, @@ -3067,7 +1172,7 @@ You wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: > > Really, this script is not so hard to understand is it? ->=20 +> > yes, it is. really. it just reads as line noise to me. for > example, the variable 'uses' is not defined anywhere. nor > is 'defns'. what exactly is it trying to iterate over and @@ -3086,10 +1191,10 @@ he had literate programming in mind. > apparent to those people who need to maintain it. if i can't > understand it without learning 3 new languages then the next > person who needs to maintain it might not understand it either. ->=20 +> > the fact that you understand a scripting language does not -> make it the least bit transparent to me.=20 ->=20 +> make it the least bit transparent to me. +> Get serious! awk is a standard unix tool and is part of every linux distribution. It has been around for at least as long @@ -3097,44 +1202,11 @@ the C programming language. We make no attempt to explain C programming or even lisp programming to anyone, so why should we need to explain awk? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUHt-00083M-5R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:13:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUHr-00082x-Af - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:13:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUHq-00082l-OJ - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:13:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbUHq-00082i-Ie - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:13:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUIM-0007eY-Ma - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:14:26 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E8240E22; - Thu, 4 May 2006 05:13:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k443ARtZ029513; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:10:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k443AREY029512; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:10:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 05:10:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 05:10:27 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -3173,96 +1245,34 @@ I nominate this patch for the gold branch. In the long run, I believe we should not construct a ghetto carefully delimitated by myriad of local patches. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbULZ-0000fD-CR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:17:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbULX-0000f7-RY - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:17:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbULW-0000es-Cv - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:17:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbULW-0000ei-1k - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:17:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUM2-0007s6-6F - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:18:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E7DDD6C15B; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5C7506C156; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:37 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZvJ/xph4FBz2wtTB+qq/E6axldLAAAKZCg From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: noweb -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:05 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > | *) if noweb is installed check to see if the filter already > | exists ->=20 +> > I can do this if I'm given sufficient detail of how to detect > the problem and where the filter could possibly reside. ->=20 +> It would make good sense to me to put the 'axiom-noweb' file in the Axiom scripts directory. It can be called simply by changing the definition of the NOTANGLE variable in the Makefile to: - NOTANGLE=3D"notangle -filter axiom-noweb" - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - + NOTANGLE="notangle -filter axiom-noweb" \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUT8-00064o-FK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:25:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUT6-000643-Fw - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:25:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUT3-00062R-8E - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:25:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbUT3-00062O-2J - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:25:29 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUTZ-0008O9-7d - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:26:01 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k443PJtM009388; 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Wed, 03 May 2006 23:39:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUgR-0002OL-30 - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:39:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUgQ-0002NM-4n - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:39:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbUgP-0002NH-VD - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:39:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUgw-0000hf-4c - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:39:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0C0056C373; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:39:17 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8E82B6C368; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:39:13 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:39:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom trunk failure -Thread-Index: AcZvKm4TLec5NaHrToSKm2epzx6yAQAAKhZQ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:20 PM you wrote: > ... it takes a long time to make changes to axiom assuming @@ -3639,15 +1587,15 @@ are not "releasing" a product, you are doing collaborative development - hopefully involving many other people. The quality of the result depends on their participation. -> ...=20 +> ... > about every 6 months i finish a major portion of axiom work > (e.g. the original algebra, the original book, the browser > recovery, the graphics recovery, the sman "feature complete" > build, major ports, the tutorial book, etc). there are yet > more in the pipe and when i sit down to work on axiom in the > limited time i have available i need to work on big changes -> which make the system more useful and accessible.=20 ->=20 +> which make the system more useful and accessible. +> It does not make sense that you are trying to do all this by yourself. If Axiom is going to get anywhere this has to be a @@ -3656,12 +1604,12 @@ collaborative effort. > if you follow the GCL discussions from the past it is possible > to re-engineer axiom so it will run on a natively installed GCL. > to do that you need to: ->=20 +> > *) change configure to detect if gcl is installed > *) change configure to ensure that the native gcl is the > correct version and patch level > *) if not, build gcl from zips and apply the correct patches ->=20 +> > i would note here that it is NOT acceptable to stop the build > and insist that the user install/upgrade some other package. > axiom builds should 'just work'. @@ -3671,54 +1619,20 @@ will stop if it does not find the necessary prerequisits. Satisfying prerequists is not the job of the build software. This is handled by other tools like apt-get and yum. -> ...=20 +> ... > there is no such thing as a simple job. ->=20 +> There is such a thing as a job that is too large for one man. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUhV-00030Y-OK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:40:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUhT-0002zA-MC - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:40:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbUhR-0002yy-QE - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:40:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbUhR-0002yv-KG - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:40:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbUhx-0000kp-SE - for list; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:40:54 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7874F3B0; - Thu, 4 May 2006 05:40:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k443astZ029625; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:36:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k443as5t029624; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:36:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 05:36:54 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - <200605040319.k443Ja506648@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 05:36:54 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -3732,42 +1646,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: What is the "correct version"? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbV33-0003hK-7K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:02:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbV31-0003h0-FZ - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:02:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbV30-0003gl-MS - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:02:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbV30-0003gh-Ic - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:02:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbV3W-0002J4-T1 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:03:11 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4442X6L020404; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:02:33 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D55E7F414; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:02:33 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k443une06677; - Wed, 3 May 2006 23:56:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:56:49 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: re: noweb -Cc: list > Get serious! awk is a standard unix tool and is part of every > linux distribution. It has been around for at least as long @@ -3849,53 +1732,11 @@ and know where this code fits as well as what it is trying to accomplish. that's NOT the same as explaining the awk/sed language. but it IS the whole point of literate programming. -t - - - - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVAA-0006v7-EH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:10:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVA9-0006u4-8M - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:10:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVA6-0006t2-W7 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:10:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbVA6-0006sy-TG - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:09:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbVAd-0002ni-HN - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:10:31 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4449ufN022038; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:09:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD957F403; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:09:56 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4444DK06684; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:04:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:04:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 04 May 2006 05:33:31 +0200) Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - -Cc: list > Gosh, I forgot the real thing. > It is there, real this time. @@ -3920,66 +1761,35 @@ but you'd be amazed at the number of ways things can break. witness the mistake i made (despite my best efforts) when i posted a broken --patch-48 -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVSd-0006o5-Su - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:29:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVSc-0006nk-Oe - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:29:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVSb-0006nY-Aj - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:29:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbVSb-0006nV-0X - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:29:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbVT6-00044B-LY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:29:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E71C06C825; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:29:02 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BDB8A6C810; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:28:59 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:28:58 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZvL5lXmf/sEzXhT8mmgohzAiyWZAAAJmaQ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: noweb -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:57 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > three points: ->=20 +> > 1) perl, python, asp, javascript, etc are all part of any standard > linux distribution ... ->=20 +> > as a policy i favor minimizing the number of languages used. > adding sed (1 language), awk (a second), clever bash shell > scripts (a third), java (a fourth), auto* (a fifth), simply > reduces the number of people who can reliably maintain the system > and increases the work required to port, possibly to the point > of being impossible. ->=20 +> The reality is that as soon as you write 'lisp' you have already very drastically reduced the number of possible maintainers. In comparison requiring a knowledge of 'sed', 'awk', 'bash', and 'java' barely has any impact on the current generation of open source developers. ->=20 +> > 2) sed and awk are NOT standard parts of a windows distribution. > again as a matter of policy we need to reduce the requirements > so we can work across a larger number of systems. @@ -4006,8 +1816,8 @@ and windows but the code was not automatically portable. I don't think this is any more complicated than the porting of any other open source linux application. ->=20 -> frankly i'd much rather see the tools devolve into lisp=20 +> +> frankly i'd much rather see the tools devolve into lisp > implementations. gcl, sbcl and clisp generate native exe > files on windows and executables on linux. given that lisp > is a full programming language and is integral to axiom why @@ -4018,13 +1828,13 @@ I don't believe that it is trivial to port lisp applications. We still require some windows specific patches to the Axiom lisp sources before it will compile under gcl on windows. -> ...=20 +> ... > 3) in fact i'm making every attempt to explain the lisp programs > as you'll see in the eventual bookvol5.pamphlet file. it is > NOT necessary to explain the language idioms but it IS necessary > to explain what is happening in a block of code. ->=20 -> the noweb script will be sitting in a standalone pamphlet in=20 +> +> the noweb script will be sitting in a standalone pamphlet in > src/scripts. it will not appear as an integral part of anything > to a future maintainer. so the future maintainer can reasonably > expect to have a (possibly redundant) explanation of why this @@ -4048,69 +1858,35 @@ For each such @use emit this code chunk: @text <> @end code ------------ -=20 ->=20 + +> > i would argue that literate programming is a fundamental change in > mindset that requires you to explain to some future maintainer how > and why any new code works. he should be able to read the paragraph -> and know where this code fits as well as what it is trying to=20 +> and know where this code fits as well as what it is trying to > accomplish. > that's NOT the same as explaining the awk/sed language. but it > IS the whole point of literate programming. ->=20 +> I agree that Norman Ramsey's description of this awk script should be included in the associated pamphlet file. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVmQ-0005tN-Ts - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:49:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVmP-0005tH-7X - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:49:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbVmO-0005t5-Ov - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:49:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbVmO-0005t2-MF - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:49:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FbVmq-0007VU-F7 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:50:00 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbVlx-0001ip-OI - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 00:49:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BAE896508E; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:48:46 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2396965096; - Thu, 4 May 2006 00:48:45 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:48:44 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZvL5lXmf/sEzXhT8mmgohzAiyWZAABOndA From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: noweb -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:57 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > 3) ... ->=20 -> the noweb script will be sitting in a standalone pamphlet in=20 +> +> the noweb script will be sitting in a standalone pamphlet in > src/scripts. it will not appear as an integral part of anything -> to a future maintainer.=20 +> to a future maintainer. > ... Although this script is not so important in the overall toolset @@ -4122,43 +1898,11 @@ of literate programming and the choice of noweb. This is where any maintainer is most likely to look first in the case of a failure of this kind. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbW1c-0005Y2-Bk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:05:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbW1Z-0005XZ-Si - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:05:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbW1X-0005XD-EK - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:05:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbW1X-0005XA-5n - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:05:11 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbW24-0003K6-3B - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:05:44 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4454svi027255; 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Thu, 04 May 2006 01:31:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbWR6-0007P4-10 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:31:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbWR1-0007Nd-J9 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:31:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbWR1-0007Na-EQ - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:31:31 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbWRY-00068a-OA - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:32:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6A54B65C81; - Thu, 4 May 2006 01:31:30 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8325165C6F; - Thu, 4 May 2006 01:31:28 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:31:27 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom trunk failure -Thread-Index: AcZvOFzIPj/oroCJTFKJP31X45Lb9AAAsRjw From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:59 AM you wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > I *strongly* disagree with this. Even the GCL build itself > > will stop if it does not find the necessary prerequisits. > > Satisfying prerequists is not the job of the build software. > > This is handled by other tools like apt-get and yum. ->=20 +> > well, we'll always disagree on this. always. ->=20 +> > i have used redhat's rpm, redhat's update, apt-get, and yum. > and they all break things that used to work and upgrade packages > that i don't want touched. i have a recently installed FC5 @@ -4454,9 +2104,9 @@ If you do not trust programs that attempt to automatically resolve dependencies then why would you want to build this functionality into the Axiom source distribution? ->=20 +> > it should 'just work', correctly, cleanly, and out of the box. ->=20 +> I think the developers of apt-get and yum might agree with you. ;) But I think most developers would prefer to take care @@ -4465,40 +2115,10 @@ of this themselves. People who want to work with Axiom without these hassles should install the appropriate binary version. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbXP4-0006OY-Hn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 02:33:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbXP2-0006OL-Qa - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 02:33:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbXOz-0006NE-8e - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 02:33:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbXOz-0006NA-39 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 02:33:29 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbXPV-0001h1-RV - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 02:34:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B3AE26784E; - Thu, 4 May 2006 02:33:26 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 915F367847; - Thu, 4 May 2006 02:33:24 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:33:23 -0400 -Thread-Topic: downloading via BitTorrent -Thread-Index: AcZvOFzIPj/oroCJTFKJP31X45Lb9AAAsRjwAABh4rA= From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: +To: list Subject: downloading via BitTorrent BitTorrent is a peer-to-peer file distribution protocol. @@ -4562,7 +2182,7 @@ I just checked the status of this file at TorrentBox and I was amazed to see that in just 3 days the Windows version of Axiom has already been downloaded 126 times. See: -http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-search.php?search=3Daxiom&cat=3D50 +http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-search.php?search=axiom&cat=50 Torrent Info=09 @@ -4576,7 +2196,7 @@ Views 56 Hits 50 Snatched 126 time(s) Upped by billpage -Peers 2 seeders + 0 leechers =3D 2 peers +Peers 2 seeders + 0 leechers = 2 peers --------- @@ -4607,39 +2227,11 @@ BitTorrent to distribute the Axiom binaries please let me know. I am thinking seriously about making all of the Axiom binary and source tarball files available this way. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYDu-0005kw-9l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYDr-0005iu-VG - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYDp-0005fS-II - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbYDp-0005f4-79 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbYEN-000652-Iq - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:26:35 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k447Ptfa026066 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 4 May 2006 09:25:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:25:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: noweb -Cc: list Hi Bill, hello Gaby, @@ -4729,49 +2321,12 @@ On 05/04/2006 03:34 AM, Page, Bill wrote: > documentation for noweb filters is here: > > http://www.literateprogramming.com/noweb_hacker.pdf -> -> -------- -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYOV-0002HA-4C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:37:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYOT-0002GI-T1 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:37:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYOT-0002G6-9X - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:37:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbYOT-0002G3-6f - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:37:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbYP1-0006vm-Ir - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:37:35 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k447avfa026291 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 4 May 2006 09:36:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:36:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: re: noweb - <200605040254.k442sIl06612@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list [Norman Ramsey's awk script...] >> Really, this script is not so hard to understand is it? @@ -4795,48 +2350,13 @@ and 'defn' before using these variables. For me, literate programming also means: make it easier for people who come after you. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYuR-0000OL-EC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:10:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYuQ-0000O1-1g - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:10:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbYuN-0000Nk-IW - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:10:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbYuN-0000Nh-Aq - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:09:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbYuw-0000x4-4c - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:10:34 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D438040F9C; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:09:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4486VtZ030321; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:06:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4486VOq030320; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:06:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 10:06:31 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 10:06:31 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Gosh, I forgot the real thing. | > It is there, real this time. @@ -4927,45 +2447,13 @@ Yes, that may involve writing a script for sending the build output but if they accept the requests then I volunteer to write the script. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZGV-0002ZB-UU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:32:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZGU-0002Xj-C6 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:32:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZGT-0002X5-PE - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:32:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZGT-0002Wq-FP - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:32:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbZH2-0002v7-B6 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:33:24 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F874F40A; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:32:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k448TKtZ030375; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:29:21 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k448TKeW030374; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:29:20 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 10:29:20 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - <200605040459.k444xBG06704@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 10:29:20 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -5057,40 +2545,11 @@ people feel like they have to invest lot into Axiom development before getting the "interesting bits" out they will put it in their task queues with lower priority. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZMn-00058e-Dy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:39:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZMm-00058Z-Ic - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:39:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZMk-00056e-V9 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:39:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZMk-00056Z-QX - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:39:18 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbZNJ-0003JC-T2 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:39:54 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A704F411; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:39:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k448ZotZ030401; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:35:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k448ZoEx030400; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:35:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 10:35:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 10:35:50 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -5114,45 +2573,13 @@ its own ghetto; I believe those objections should be given lot of considerations. I do not necessarily promote apt-get and such, but I do believe that we ought to stop building an Axiom ghetto. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZT7-00083d-3H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:45:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZT5-00082i-7P - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:45:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZT4-00082W-Me - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:45:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZT4-00082T-FD - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:45:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbZTd-0003lD-MM - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:46:25 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169D340FFF; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:45:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k448gMtZ030413; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:42:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k448gMhB030412; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:42:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 10:42:22 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: noweb - <200605040356.k443une06677@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 10:42:22 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -5181,43 +2608,11 @@ You want to increase the number of contributors and yet insist on doing everything in Lisp? I don't think that is going to scale long-term-wise. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZeI-0003rC-88 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:57:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZeG-0003qo-RX - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:57:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZeE-0003qD-PY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:57:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZeE-0003q9-JN - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:57:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbZen-0004ls-Rv - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:57:58 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D74F40E31; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:57:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k448rstZ030473; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:53:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k448rsRN030472; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:53:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 10:53:54 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: noweb - <4459AC82.80803@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 10:53:54 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -5249,47 +2644,11 @@ noweb stuff is an unfortunate mystifying coverup. Do you think you will have a chance to test it soon? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZm3-0008If-2d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 05:05:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZm1-0008I5-Cc - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 05:05:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbZlz-0008EL-Qc - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 05:05:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZlz-0008EI-Og - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 05:05:23 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbZmZ-0005H3-4o - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 05:05:59 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E87940FA6; - Thu, 4 May 2006 11:05:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4491ttZ030516; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4491tBb030515; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 11:01:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 11:01:55 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -5300,50 +2659,21 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: full system build + test completed for GCL-2.6.8pre. Now launching build for GCL-2.6.7. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbdPY-0003Wd-SP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:58:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbdPW-0003V9-6l - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:58:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbdPU-0003Ti-LU - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:58:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbdPU-0003TY-Ii - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:58:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbdQ4-0000tE-Hi - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:59:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BD7EF69BC6; - Thu, 4 May 2006 08:58:17 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D518969BE2; - Thu, 4 May 2006 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:57:31 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZvWMZBNR4cVYXTRL+LyLxw7dRz/QAHUJQg From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: re: noweb On Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:54 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 +> > Ralf Hemmecke writes: ->=20 -> |=20 +> +> | > | Look at this... -> |=20 +> | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-12/msg00262.html ->=20 +> > Many thanks. > Obviously, there have been many talks about this noweb thingy. > I just don't understand why it lingers for so long. @@ -5362,15 +2692,15 @@ opportunity to correct the problem of not enough axiom developers. Thank you Gaby! ->=20 +> > | I would even say: Throw away the noweb sources, throw away > | this awk script and rather go to the Axiom sources and correct > | a usage of an undefined chunk. Why would one want to have > | undefined chunks in the first place? ->=20 +> > If people agree that the undefined chunks are bugs, then this > whole noweb stuff is an unfortunate mystifying coverup. ->=20 +> If you read the above email carefully and actually try both Tim modified noweb and Norman Ramsey's patch you will see that @@ -5391,9 +2721,9 @@ breaks the Axiom code. Of course would could define this as a chunk using the noweb escape sequence @<< - <<' Name '>>=3D + <<' Name '>>= @<<' Name '>> - @ =20 + @ and solve this one case where it is really a problem (or even use the escape sequence inline). @@ -5411,80 +2741,21 @@ The point of the filter script is to avoid the need to include noweb source in the Axiom tree but to accomplish the same thing as Tim's original patch. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbdQk-00044F-Mw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:59:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbdQi-00043M-FX - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:59:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbdQg-00042g-Of - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:59:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbdQg-00042c-KF - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:59:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbdRI-0000zT-4X - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 09:00:16 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k44CxRYN012638; - Thu, 4 May 2006 08:59:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A0E7F404; - Thu, 4 May 2006 08:59:27 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k44CrhI07228; - Thu, 4 May 2006 08:53:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:53:43 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: downloading via BitTorrent -Cc: list excellent job. i saw the launchmany and finally figured out that it was a bittorrent tool. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbdke-0006Ya-3P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 09:20:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbdkc-0006Xq-N7 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 09:20:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbdkc-0006XU-4F - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 09:20:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbdkb-0006XC-V3 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 09:20:14 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbdlD-0002jS-SL - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 09:20:52 -0400 -Received: (qmail 74148 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2006 13:20:13 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=dxBELlNTkWxfbrlmxx8jG+xUz599KIfU+BDT3NGv6/ngfDjq7Z6IzeSsXBsaYDPWoGaVo8yc4HoqtJt53tI0Lwk4KKdlx7SBk8Lx7QAOXC70wmffALbdiUV5XYNlmjD434sCJR1M4x/jkEFqYX4NgP6fUvYqi7sz6oKetUP+1EU= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 04 May 2006 06:20:13 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 06:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Check for item in PATH in Emacs? To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Check for item in PATH in Emacs? Cool! Thanks Bill. I actually hacked up my own version yesterday which might be a little simpler for our purposes, but I've yet to test @@ -5492,9 +2763,6 @@ it on Windows. I'll upload it to the wiki this morning - I THINK this version should work without trouble on Windows or Linux, but I'll feel better if it is confirmed ;-). -Cheers, -CY - --- Bill Page wrote: > On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:13 PM C Y wrote: @@ -5535,47 +2803,12 @@ http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~mmwasile/data/elisp/eshell-2.4.2/esh-ext.el > (setq list (cdr list))) > file))) > ... -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbemx-0003oj-4L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:26:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbemv-0003nQ-L4 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:26:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbemu-0003mc-Qa - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:26:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbemu-0003mT-M1 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:26:40 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbenW-00007g-TJ - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:27:19 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k44EQYB4003172 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 4 May 2006 07:26:34 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k44EQYCh003165; - Thu, 4 May 2006 07:26:34 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:26:34 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" -Cc: list Subject: Spam - ---HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD - By the way, I just discovered the zwiki property max_anonymous_links which may help with some of the spam on mathaction. I see though that mathaction is running zwiki 0.36. It looks like this feature was added in 0.41. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - "It is almost universally felt that when we call a country - democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every - kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they - might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one - meaning." -- George Orwell - ---HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEWg8ajwioWRGe9K0RAmamAKDVH8jyS6Yav3Od943ryLO7ZWvijQCg807T -bMJ3F7NdJwqlLfM2ImtuMY8= -=EqD0 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbf6Q-00013J-RB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:46:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbf6P-00010M-7Z - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:46:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbf6N-0000zp-A5 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:46:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbf6M-0000zX-PY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:46:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbf6z-0001ww-Ah - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:47:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k44EfLDD087261; - Thu, 4 May 2006 16:41:23 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 04 May 2006 16:47:24 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 May 2006 16:47:24 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: -> --- root Tim Daly wrote: +> --- Tim Daly wrote: > > > i'd much rather reduce the number of languages need to understand axiom > > rather than enlarge the number. some are necessary (like lisp, spad, aldor) @@ -5904,55 +3021,22 @@ Things to do on the interpreter side needed for the axiom-combinat project: * separate the mathematical knowledge about the domains from the interpreter, possibly incorporate ideas of Nic Doye - - - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbf8p-0002Cc-Vz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:49:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbf8o-00029U-Cc - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:49:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbf8m-00025m-EH - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:49:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbf8m-00025R-3H - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:49:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbf9O-00028z-P9 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:49:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0C80169DAD; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:49:15 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 39B1969ABF; - Thu, 4 May 2006 10:49:10 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:49:08 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Spam -Thread-Index: AcZvhw736+wodcFhRwqAWNFDf2xyFwAAVDhg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath Subject: RE: Spam -Bob,=20 +Bob, On Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:27 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > By the way, I just discovered the zwiki property > max_anonymous_links which may help with some of the > spam on mathaction. I see though that mathaction is -> running zwiki 0.36. It looks like this feature=20 +> running zwiki 0.36. It looks like this feature > was added in 0.41. ->=20 +> Yah, that is a bit of a problem. I haven't had time to devote to bringing mathaction up to the newer versions of zwiki or @@ -5972,43 +3056,11 @@ property by continuing to update the example that you provided so that at least usually the spammer doesn't get a 2nd chance to offend anyone. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfB8-0003Rf-Bj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:51:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfB6-0003QF-0P - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:51:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfB3-0003O9-3B - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:51:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbfB2-0003O4-RO - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:51:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbfBf-0002Zh-Cp - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:52:15 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9DD40F50; - Thu, 4 May 2006 16:51:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k44Em7tZ031769; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:48:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k44Em716031768; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:48:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 16:48:07 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: noweb -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 16:48:07 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -6096,43 +3148,11 @@ At this point, here is my planning: Now, I have to do daytime job :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfRc-0003L5-3v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:08:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfRa-0003Ke-7J - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:08:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfRZ-0003KO-4r - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:08:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbfRY-0003KK-Uf - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:08:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbfSB-00040n-Tf - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:09:20 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF26040F56; - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:08:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k44F5BtZ031841; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:05:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k44F5BNH031840; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:05:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 17:05:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills - <85veslc0eb.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 17:05:11 +0200 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -6176,45 +3196,16 @@ this year at POPL (Charleston, SC). No, I'm not proposing to write Axiom in Haskell. But, I'm suggesting we don't ignore the work done in the programming language community. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfhC-0003so-DG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:24:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfhA-0003rv-Mf - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:24:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfhA-0003rd-1X - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:24:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbfh9-0003ra-RS - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:24:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbfhn-0005Xp-2q - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:25:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0B8536A05E; - Thu, 4 May 2006 11:24:47 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C4F6B69EC6; - Thu, 4 May 2006 11:24:36 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:24:34 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZviknR6MHEIwepT9eLXak4fa0gjgABBezQ From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: re: noweb -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:48 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I read the message saw other problems that people mentioned. I > (mis)interpreted Ralf's statement as saying that it was a bug > in noweb -- that is now corrected. @@ -6225,46 +3216,14 @@ but that bug has nothing to do with Tim's patch for the undefined chunk issue and does not affect current Axiom code in any way. (I believe that it did affect something that Ralf was doing with his documentation system for Aldor.) -=20 -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - +> ... \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfjz-0005Yu-Nk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfjx-0005YZ-W7 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfjw-0005Xh-4h - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbfjv-0005Xd-Tx - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbfkY-0005q4-Ui - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:28:19 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k44FRVHi016198 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:27:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:27:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-dev Subject: re: noweb - -Cc: - - On 05/04/2006 10:53 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6339,34 +3298,11 @@ and we go on with the text. %%%%%% end test.nw %%%% - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfrt-00026p-VF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:35:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfrs-00026b-2N - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:35:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfrp-00021T-AB - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:35:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbfrp-00020u-26 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:35:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbfsS-0006b6-4r - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:28 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k44FWvDD010258; - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:32:58 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 04 May 2006 17:39:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills - <85veslc0eb.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 May 2006 17:39:00 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -6403,41 +3339,13 @@ f: (n: Integer) -> PrimeField n is OK for Aldor, but not for SPAD. This is the reason for series returning the ANY Type, for example. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfsI-0002NV-77 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfsF-0002L1-S1 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbfsF-0002Kp-45 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbfsE-0002Km-VE - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:15 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.188] (helo=web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbfss-0006e8-15 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:36:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail 74995 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2006 15:36:13 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=N6jAUN+lumSVRlmCHrerbrV44mBx3Zv6gvrgc6r0U3fZTkkkcRZFCb01ycfm+0LHSdV3W6KjLUiv6czdvHv+4/rQ0G5LBExqmiLsI9qYOxWejArnRDSRW6Pkj5IdjJd6aCTKno95jWgoOgkX5yYfnCiEqa34dSQ2sYk5KvN3XBE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 04 May 2006 08:36:13 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure To: Tim Daly, Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > participation is great and i've accepted almost every patch > sent to me. i'm hoping to see a drastic increase in the @@ -6530,43 +3438,10 @@ before I can run :-/. I'll second that regret - you've accomplished an amazing amount of work already Tim. You full time on Axiom would be awesome. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfzr-00004s-2m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfzp-0008UY-Qz - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbfzn-0008SG-VX - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbfzn-0008Rw-7K - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbg0Q-0007Os-BU - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k44FhwHi017823 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:43:58 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:43:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Norman Ramsey -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Bug in noweb-2.11 Dear Norman, @@ -6614,49 +3489,19 @@ It does not say anything about the meaning of errcode=1 or errcode=2. 'noweave test.nw' seems to be OK, but also returns errcode=1. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbg21-0001y1-CK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbg1z-0001xu-Dm - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbg1v-0001u3-Rc - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbg1v-0001tx-P9 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbg2Z-0007aS-1X - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D40BF6A1DE; - Thu, 4 May 2006 11:46:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8D6556A1A4; - Thu, 4 May 2006 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb / Lisp Skills Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:46:07 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb / Lisp Skills -Thread-Index: AcZviZpHqJ1fN+W5RDiFX8uBeyYdRwABcCmg From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list +Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills On Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:47 AM Martin Rubey wrote: -> ...=20 -> Things to do on the interpreter side needed for the=20 +> ... +> Things to do on the interpreter side needed for the > axiom-combinat project: ->=20 +> > * make it understand Aldor: ->=20 +> > * dependent types > * extend > * creating domains on the command line @@ -6693,53 +3538,21 @@ interaction with the compiler. This is not possible with SPAd and it is not currently possible to access Aldor in this way through the Axiom interpreter - but maybe it should be possible? -=20 + > * separate the mathematical knowledge about the domains > from the interpreter, possibly incorporate ideas of > Nic Doye ->=20 +> I think this is good idea but perhaps best accomplished by re-implementing the Axiom interpreter as something linke B# rather than retro-fitting the existing code. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbg25-000203-He - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbg24-0001zW-3G - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbg22-0001yd-DA - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbg22-0001yY-6w - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbg2f-0007ar-H5 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:47:01 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5F74F433; - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:46:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k44FgrtZ032089; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k44FgrMx032088; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 17:42:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: noweb -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 17:42:53 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -6760,45 +3573,11 @@ Bill Page writes: Now, that gets it straight in my head. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgBf-0005O4-AZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:56:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgBe-0005Ni-64 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:56:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgBb-0005NJ-Rw - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:56:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbgBb-0005NF-Kt - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:56:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbgCE-00006P-UU - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:56:55 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698014F3AA; - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:56:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k44FqktZ032139; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:52:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k44FqkVw032138; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:52:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 17:52:46 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills - <85veslc0eb.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - - <85fyjpsstn.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 17:52:46 +0200 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -6833,38 +3612,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: Ah, okey. Good point! Many thanks. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgCt-0005hk-UT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:57:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgCr-0005fb-T6 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:57:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgCr-0005fD-40 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:57:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbgCr-0005f7-0D - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:57:33 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbgDU-0000Bv-5v - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:58:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k44FvNHi019536 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 4 May 2006 17:57:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:57:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: noweb -Cc: list > In the file ' src/interp/fnewmeta.lisp.pamphlet' the text: > @@ -6898,36 +3650,10 @@ line in the thousands of lines form AXIOM and the noweb problem is gone. We could be careful when writing new code/documentation and escape those problematic cases. There are not so many after all. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgGA-0007L6-6n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:00:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgG9-0007K7-5o - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:00:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgG6-0007HK-Sq - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:00:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbgG6-0007Gz-I8 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:00:54 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbgGj-0000U3-PY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:01:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k44G0qHi020109 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:00:52 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:00:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: NOWEB Tim, you complained about the speed of NOWEB... @@ -6949,9 +3675,6 @@ To build noweb: available from the University of Arizona, but the compiler is no longer maintained.) - - - I have compiled noweb like this... cd noweb-2.11/src @@ -6966,40 +3689,11 @@ ELISP=$N/elisp install Do you use icon instead of awk??? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgY9-0003bx-7L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:19:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgY7-0003b6-7Z - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:19:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgY5-0003aV-5J - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:19:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbgY4-0003aR-VX - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:19:29 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=smtp2.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbgYi-0002Dn-Lo - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:20:08 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0206.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 025341C001DD - for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:19:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.186.207]) - by mwinf0206.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 050371C001D2; - Thu, 4 May 2006 18:19:25 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <200605040459.k444xBG06704@localhost.localdomain> - Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:19:24 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure Hi, @@ -7016,49 +3710,14 @@ Cygwin but they are not maintained anymore as far as I know. GCL on Windows uses the MinGW/MSYS environment (so it's not possible to build X based applications such that graphics and hyperdoc). -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbgm5-0004lr-Fi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:33:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbgm4-0004lb-Ap - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:33:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbgm2-0004j2-IU - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:33:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbgm2-0004ik-Ep - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:33:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbgmd-0004OV-UC - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:34:34 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5F7B66989C; - Thu, 4 May 2006 12:33:49 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1A9BF6A462; - Thu, 4 May 2006 12:33:45 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:33:43 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom trunk failure -Thread-Index: AcZvkIZW81wOTytHRzCMSw/iO9fUaAAAeFFQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure On Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:36 AM C Y wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Quick check - is there anybody now doing active development > on Axiom for Windows? I'm sure we have users there but anybody > who knows how to compile it? @@ -7073,12 +3732,12 @@ know for sure who have compiled Axiom for Windows from source is me and Mike Thomas (the gcl developer who first fully solved the problem of building Axiom on Windows). ->=20 -> > we should be able to just type 'AXIOM=3D.../windows' ; make +> +> > we should be able to just type 'AXIOM=.../windows' ; make > > and get a working windows version. once that works we can > > try to get the browser/graphics/sman working. but right now, > > even for me, the windows version feels a bit like a black box. ->=20 +> A tla "diff" of the axiom--main--1 (about patch-30 or so I think) and axiom--windows--1 versions will show the changes that were made @@ -7096,7 +3755,7 @@ strategy. > significant releases. A literate document on creating a Windows > install.exe file would be a boon to lots of free software projects, > I think. Of course, we are introducing the scripting language for -> the Nullsoft installer and maybe one or two other special cases,=20 +> the Nullsoft installer and maybe one or two other special cases, > but I have a feeling it will be a very long time before we can > avoid the need for such tools and use a lisp based install.exe. @@ -7129,61 +3788,31 @@ is actually very simple. I would be glad to help anyone who wants to attempt this ... and this time maybe we can jointly write some useful documentation! :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbgvi-0005Hi-UD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:43:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbgvg-0005G8-SD - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:43:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbgvg-0005FK-3V - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:43:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbgvf-0005FA-U6 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:43:51 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbgwJ-0005Ou-LY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:44:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F284C6A4CE; - Thu, 4 May 2006 12:43:50 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B52006A4B4; - Thu, 4 May 2006 12:43:47 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: NOWEB Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:43:47 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NOWEB -Thread-Index: AcZvlH24uUR0/iRcQLKp59KZsDVBbQABJ7OQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: NOWEB On Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:01 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > Tim, you complained about the speed of NOWEB... ->=20 +> > Here a copy from noweb-2.11/src/INSTALL... ->=20 +> > To build noweb: ->=20 +> > 1) First point to compilers to be used to built the tools and > library by setting these variables in the Makefile: > CC the name of an ANSI C compiler > LIBSRC 'awk' or 'icon', depending on which library -> If you have Icon, use the Icon version of the noweb=20 +> If you have Icon, use the Icon version of the noweb > library; this code speeds up noweave by a factor of 3. > The Icon versions have fewer bugs and provide more filters > (e.g., convert LaTeX to HTML in documentation chunks). > Not all of the examples will work with the awk library. > If you have an Icon compiler and believe it works, set -> `ICONC=3Diconc -f l' in the Makefile. (Icon is freely +> `ICONC=iconc -f l' in the Makefile. (Icon is freely > available from the University of Arizona, but the compiler > is no longer maintained.) > @@ -7191,24 +3820,24 @@ On Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:01 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: I have installed Icon on the axiom-developer.org server and it seems like a nice neat little language ... but I am sure Tim will say: "Oh horrors, yet another programming language!" :) -=20 ->=20 + +> > I have compiled noweb like this... ->=20 +> > cd noweb-2.11/src ->=20 -> export N=3D$HOME/software/noweb ->=20 -> make LIBSRC=3Dicon BIN=3D$N LIB=3D$N/lib MAN=3D$N/man = -TEXINPUTS=3D$N/tex=20 -> ELISP=3D$N/elisp ->=20 -> make LIBSRC=3Dicon BIN=3D$N LIB=3D$N/lib MAN=3D$N/man = -TEXINPUTS=3D$N/tex=20 -> ELISP=3D$N/elisp install ->=20 +> +> export N=$HOME/software/noweb +> +> make LIBSRC=icon BIN=$N LIB=$N/lib MAN=$N/man = +TEXINPUTS=$N/tex +> ELISP=$N/elisp +> +> make LIBSRC=icon BIN=$N LIB=$N/lib MAN=$N/man = +TEXINPUTS=$N/tex +> ELISP=$N/elisp install +> > Do you use icon instead of awk??? ->=20 +> I have also build noweb this way (partly because I was at one time very interested in the filter to convert from LaTeX to @@ -7219,54 +3848,23 @@ that approach in favour of the current pamphlet file support on MathAction that does not involve conversion of LaTeX to HTML. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgyU-0006Uk-8j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:46:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgyS-0006Tw-Ch - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:46:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbgyQ-0006TF-NK - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:46:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbgyQ-0006T8-Fz - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:46:42 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.24] (helo=smtp7.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbgz4-0005rB-B3 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:47:22 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0712.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 13B331C000AF - for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:46:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.186.207]) - by mwinf0712.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B132E1C00088; - Thu, 4 May 2006 18:46:40 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <200605040459.k444xBG06704@localhost.localdomain> - - <1146759564.3707.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:46:38 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure Le jeudi 04 mai 2006 =E0 18:19 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit : > Hi, ->=20 +> > Le jeudi 04 mai 2006 =E0 10:29 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > > we should just be able to type "./configure; make make install" > > and have it working. Expect that soon for Unix-like systems! > > (And I hope it will work for Cygwin-based systems too.) ->=20 +> > GCL does not compile on Cygwin. Some portions of GCL are related to > Cygwin but they are not maintained anymore as far as I know. GCL on > Windows uses the MinGW/MSYS environment (so it's not possible to build = @@ -7278,71 +3876,23 @@ Hum I forgot something. But, as Tim said earlier, hyperdoc and probably graphics could be ported to Cygwin. -Cheers, - -Greg - -> Cheers, ->=20 -> Greg ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbhHb-0008Hv-Qu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:06:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbhHa-0008E5-2F - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:06:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbhHY-0008DK-6f - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:06:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbhHY-0008D8-1B - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:06:28 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbhIC-0007bo-25 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:07:08 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E74196A629; - Thu, 4 May 2006 13:06:26 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 426646A611; - Thu, 4 May 2006 13:06:22 -0400 (EDT) - charset="iso-8859-1" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:06:26 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom trunk failure -Thread-Index: AcZvmnFumTcyWwqDTT+1NgGKjtd57QAAU9hA From: Bill Page -To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure On Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:47 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > GCL does not compile on Cygwin. Some portions of GCL are related > > to Cygwin but they are not maintained anymore as far as I know. -> > GCL on Windows uses the MinGW/MSYS environment (so it's not=20 +> > GCL on Windows uses the MinGW/MSYS environment (so it's not > > possible to build X based applications such that graphics and > > hyperdoc). ->=20 +> > Hum I forgot something. ->=20 -> But, as Tim said earlier, hyperdoc and probably graphics=20 +> +> But, as Tim said earlier, hyperdoc and probably graphics > could be ported to Cygwin. > @@ -7371,43 +3921,11 @@ There is obviously a very great demand by Axiom on Windows users for these missing Axiom features. Anything we could do to solve this problem would benefit a look of new Axiom users. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbiQw-00015F-6N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:20:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbiQt-00013v-VZ - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:20:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbiQs-000132-P2 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:20:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbiQs-00012v-Kn - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:20:10 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbiRX-0005AM-I2 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:20:51 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696D340E21; - Thu, 4 May 2006 20:20:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k44IGetZ032735; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:16:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k44IGeZi032734; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:16:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 20:16:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NOWEB -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 20:16:40 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Bill Page writes: @@ -7444,38 +3962,11 @@ And I will second him! "Graphics Programming in Icon" which you can get almost for free if you in academia.] --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbiue-0004u7-Lk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:50:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbiub-0004qj-Rw - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:50:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbiuZ-0004qS-5C - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:50:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbiuZ-0004qP-03 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:50:51 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=smtp8.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbivE-0008Dr-1x - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:51:32 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0807.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C0BC31C001D8 - for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:50:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.186.207]) - by mwinf0807.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 52D181C001CB; - Thu, 4 May 2006 20:50:49 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 20:50:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure hi Bill, @@ -7485,7 +3976,7 @@ Le jeudi 04 mai 2006 =E0 13:06 -0400, Page, Bill a =E9crit : > Tim has already successfully (more or less) compiled hyperdoc > using Cygwin. See this thread: ->=20 +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-12/msg00439.h= tml > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-12/msg00438.h= @@ -7493,69 +3984,34 @@ tml > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-12/msg00428.h= tml -Thanks,=20 +Thanks, Humm it seems to me that all the axiom-developer's mailing list archives are in your mind :-) (It's not the first time that you refer to these archives) -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjCx-0007o4-Lq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:09:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjCv-0007nJ-H9 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:09:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjCu-0007mT-0o - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:09:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbjCt-0007m9-RO - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:09:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbjDZ-0001fB-6F - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:10:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C2C1B6AC10; - Thu, 4 May 2006 15:09:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A78F66ABDF; - Thu, 4 May 2006 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: NOWEB Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:09:52 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NOWEB -Thread-Index: AcZvp3A8IYyjuWq+QgK6J+LzdiqHewAAeSvw From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: RE: NOWEB Gaby, On Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:17 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Bill Page writes: -> |=20 +> | > | I have installed Icon on the axiom-developer.org server and it > | seems like a nice neat little language ... but I am sure Tim > | will say: "Oh horrors, yet another programming language!" :) ->=20 +> > And I will second him! ->=20 -> [Note: I have written small programs in Icon, and enjoyed=20 +> +> [Note: I have written small programs in Icon, and enjoyed > "Graphics Programming in Icon" which you can get almost for > free if you in academia.] ->=20 +> Sometimes I wonder how someone who does not really appreciate diverse programming languages would ever be motivated to @@ -7572,7 +4028,7 @@ http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon/index.htm Icon has venerable history rather similar to Axiom's, beginning in 1977: -http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=3D155360.155363 +http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=155360.155363 But it certainly is not a "dead" language yet: @@ -7583,39 +4039,10 @@ recommend both of them. You can download them here: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon/gb -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjLz-0004Ol-4j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:19:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjLx-0004OU-OY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:19:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjLv-0004OE-52 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:19:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbjLu-0004O6-Rk - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:19:06 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.30] (helo=smtp1.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbjMa-0002Wh-66 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:19:48 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B290F1C0023A - for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:19:05 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-71-207.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.186.207]) - by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 444221C00225; - Thu, 4 May 2006 21:19:05 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly - <200605040459.k444xBG06704@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:19:04 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly Subject: Blas in axiom (was Re: Axiom trunk failure) Hi Tim, @@ -7625,7 +4052,7 @@ Le jeudi 04 mai 2006 =E0 00:59 -0400, root a =E9crit : [...] > i've joined axiom to the numerical mathematics consortium -> (http://www.nmconsortium.org/FldRte/?id=3D72&page=3DAssociate+Members) +> (http://www.nmconsortium.org/FldRte/?id=72&page=Associate+Members) > because i have an interest in recovering the numerical library > facility for axiom. i have rewritten the BLAS library into literate > form and have gotten permission from a BLAS person to use his research @@ -7664,50 +4091,13 @@ recently. And yes, I know, I'm too curious. -Cheers, - -Greg - PS : My implementation still require a lot of work but there is always work to be done. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbji8-0001IB-RJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:42:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbji6-0001Gk-F8 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:42:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbji5-0001GC-MX - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:42:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbji5-0001G3-CY - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:42:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbji5-0001Oo-5v - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:42:01 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbjR7-000483-3k - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:24:29 -0400 -Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjQt-00016i-Tn - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 21:24:15 +0200 -Received: from pool-71-107-248-173.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.107.248.173]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Thu, 04 May 2006 21:24:15 +0200 -Received: from simon by pool-71-107-248-173.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net with - local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Thu, 04 May 2006 21:24:15 +0200 -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:24:08 -0700 +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Re: Spam Hi guys.. I'd like to return to this (making mathaction work with latest @@ -7716,46 +4106,18 @@ latexwiki patches ? I can do it but I think someone familiar with latexwiki will do a better job of resolving the conflicts. Chat me on #zwiki if I can support. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjkR-0002mr-3I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:44:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjkP-0002mA-AM - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:44:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjkN-0002l6-K1 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:44:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbjkN-0002kz-G8 - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:44:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbjkM-0001nC-JN - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:44:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 63B456AC9F; - Thu, 4 May 2006 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 040C96ADCD; - Thu, 4 May 2006 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) - charset="iso-8859-1" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom trunk failure Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:44:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom trunk failure -Thread-Index: AcZvq7biS6JgnpCBRmq+SoIIHpq9/wABACrw From: Bill Page -To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure Greg, On Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:51 PM you wrote: ->=20 -> Humm it seems to me that all the axiom-developer's mailing=20 -> list archives are in your mind :-)>=20 +> +> Humm it seems to me that all the axiom-developer's mailing +> list archives are in your mind :-)> :) @@ -7783,43 +4145,11 @@ distill the really useful information from the archive into a more accessible form or if for some reason the online email archive becomes inaccessible. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjtP-00008l-9H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:53:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjtN-000085-Sp - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:53:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbjtN-00007N-BT - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:53:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbjtN-00007C-8o - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:53:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbjtM-0002ZN-VL - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 15:53:41 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B743C40E35; - Thu, 4 May 2006 21:53:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k44Jo7tZ000624; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:50:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k44Jo7Sb000623; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:50:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 04 May 2006 21:50:07 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NOWEB -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 May 2006 21:50:07 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Bill Page writes: @@ -7899,45 +4229,16 @@ time studying Icon. For example, I wanted to add generators (not co-routines) to C++; among other things I digested Icon's implementation. That was not too long ago. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbkRM-0004Z0-HM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:28:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbkRJ-0004Ww-SV - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:28:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbkRH-0004Tr-Gy - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:28:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbkRH-0004TV-AR - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:28:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbkRH-0005Ao-Hm - for list; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:28:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6B1076BF55; - Thu, 4 May 2006 16:28:42 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6A5046C2ED; - Thu, 4 May 2006 16:28:36 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: NOWEB Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:28:58 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NOWEB -Thread-Index: AcZvtICAiBI94xH/Q4COBFtMXXU6HwAAZkGw From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: RE: NOWEB Gaby, On Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:50 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Maybe there is a confusion about appreciating diverse > programming languages and appreciating the set of tools > we should use to deliver a coherent, attractive, scalable, @@ -7947,12 +4248,12 @@ I understand your point and actually in principle I do agree with you (and Tim) I just don't think it makes any sense to take it to the extreme, e.g. "all lisp". -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > | I think Icon was a worthy predecessor of the currently very > | popular web scripting languages like perl and python that > | came later but did a lot of the same things (not necessarily > | as well ): ->=20 +> > You mean SNOBOL? :-) Icon was a child of SNOBOL just as (in a looser sense) perl and @@ -7962,18 +4263,18 @@ Perhaps I would be giving too much away to admit that the first language I ever used with "real string processing" was SNOBOL. But in fact I never programmed in Icon until last year. ->=20 -> |=20 +> +> | > | http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon/index.htm -> |=20 +> | > | Icon has venerable history rather similar to Axiom's, > | beginning in 1977: ->=20 +> > Thanks; not mean to be rude -- but I'm an Icon hacker. I spent > long time studying Icon. For example, I wanted to add generators > (not co-routines) to C++; among other things I digested Icon's > implementation. That was not too long ago. ->=20 +> I certainly do not consider your comments rude, nor do I mean any insult. :) @@ -7983,39 +4284,10 @@ in Icon and uses the method of completions - not really native to Icon but quite easily implemented. I learned a lot by studying that code. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbwwR-0001mM-Gq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:49:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbwwP-0001m8-Qp - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:49:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FbwwO-0001lo-NR - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:49:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbwwO-0001lj-I2 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:49:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FbwwW-0003wD-Da - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:49:48 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k459nTHi007667 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 5 May 2006 11:49:30 +0200 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:49:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev , - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Explanation of the branches Dear Gaby, @@ -8041,38 +4313,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FAQ -- How can I submit a patch? should be adapted, become a separate page, and should be linked to from FAQ and AxiomSilverBranch. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbx2R-0004Vf-2x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:55:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbx2P-0004Uf-70 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:55:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbx2O-0004Sd-BN - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:55:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbx2O-0004SM-3I - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:55:52 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbx2V-0004KY-Ua - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:56:00 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k459tiHi008079 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 5 May 2006 11:55:44 +0200 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:55:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: list Subject: Re: star merge and the silver branch On 05/02/2006 11:00 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -8106,34 +4350,11 @@ relatively satisfied with it. Unfortunately, I had no luck with http://svk.elixus.org/?SVKTools. My xemacs has some problem with them and I just did not look into this problem. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbx7h-0007t0-0u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 06:01:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbx7f-0007sS-5k - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 06:01:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbx7c-0007sG-8E - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 06:01:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbx7c-0007sD-39 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 06:01:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbx7k-0004eO-0I - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 06:01:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k45A0KDD022257; - Fri, 5 May 2006 12:00:22 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 05 May 2006 11:59:20 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 05 May 2006 11:59:20 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -8201,48 +4422,10 @@ work in aldor -gloop. However, I think it should. Is it already possible to extend Axiom domains with Aldor code? (I should check this) -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby3q-00056A-3J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:01:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby3n-00055D-Om - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:01:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby3l-00053N-83 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:01:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fby3l-00053D-3t - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:01:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fby3t-00010u-Mf - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:01:29 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9F140E1E; - Fri, 5 May 2006 13:01:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k45AvmtZ003750; Fri, 5 May 2006 12:57:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k45Avm0n003749; Fri, 5 May 2006 12:57:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <44342010.1000603@hemmecke.de> - - <4434DB4F.1000905@hemmecke.de> - - <445B2123.6000508@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 May 2006 12:57:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: star merge and the silver branch Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -8274,39 +4457,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Ah OK. It was an FYI in case "star-merge" is essential for for you. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby7O-0007Jr-DZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:05:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby7N-0007Jh-K0 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:05:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby7L-0007JV-Sw - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:05:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fby7L-0007JS-Pe - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:05:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fby7U-0001Hw-77 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:05:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k45B51Hi011879 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 5 May 2006 13:05:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:05:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: noweb / Lisp Skills - <85r738hjwn.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 05/05/2006 11:59 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Bill Page writes: @@ -8385,41 +4540,10 @@ f(n); Of course I could write this without the quotes, but imagine that the string has been dynamically produced by a program. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby8Z-00080q-8R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:06:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby8X-00080P-Ne - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:06:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fby8W-0007zo-UN - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:06:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fby8W-0007zf-Rv - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:06:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fby8f-0001PM-JT - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:06:25 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C22040E25; - Fri, 5 May 2006 13:06:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k45B2itZ003794; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:02:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k45B2i2I003793; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:02:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 May 2006 13:02:44 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Explanation of the branches Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -8457,39 +4581,12 @@ You're right that "How can I submit a patch" should be a separate page. I have had not a great success with the current wiki settings... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbyfu-0000Pp-K2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:40:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbyfs-0000O3-NU - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:40:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fbyfr-0000NA-M6 - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:40:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbyfr-0000N6-GX - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:40:43 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbyg0-0004Df-CO - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 07:40:52 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k45BeUHi013461 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 5 May 2006 13:40:30 +0200 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:40:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: noweb - -Cc: list, Norman Ramsey +Cc: Norman Ramsey Hello, is somebody so familiar with the documentation of noweb, to point exactly at a place in the documentation that says something about what @@ -8527,47 +4624,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke > | and solve this one case where it is really a problem (or even > | use the escape sequence inline). - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc1oa-00068K-1m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 11:01:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc1ZI-0000Um-Bg - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 10:46:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc1ZG-0000Tl-ON - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 10:46:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fc1ZG-0000Ti-KD - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 10:46:06 -0400 -Received: from [140.247.60.24] (helo=mail.eecs.harvard.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fc1ZR-0002c6-AX - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 10:46:17 -0400 -Received: from localhost (oldbowser.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.60]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88F51A3E33; - Fri, 5 May 2006 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from mail.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.24]) - by localhost (oldbowser.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.60]) (amavisd-new, - port 10024) - with ESMTP id 99202-07; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (labrador.eecs.harvard.edu - [140.247.60.247]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E711A3DD7; - Fri, 5 May 2006 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) -Received: by labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 32074) - id 5F98F1EB172; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: re: noweb - - <445B39B2.1050903@hemmecke.de> -Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke - message dated "Fri, 05 May 2006 13:40:34 +0200." Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:46:02 -0400 From: Norman Ramsey -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: noweb > Hello, is somebody so familiar with the documentation of noweb, to point > exactly at a place in the documentation that says something about what @@ -8588,11 +4649,6 @@ as should chunk names appearing in documentation. I have made a note that noweb's manual needs to be amended. - - -Norman - - > > Ralf Hemmecke > @@ -8616,57 +4672,31 @@ Norman > > | and solve this one case where it is really a problem (or even > > | use the escape sequence inline). - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc2kv-0000H1-WE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 12:02:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc2kt-0000FH-Ng - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 12:02:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc2kp-0000C5-1E - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 12:02:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fc2ko-0000Bz-Nx - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 12:02:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fc2kz-0002C4-2g - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 12:02:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2730B68535; - Fri, 5 May 2006 12:02:04 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 07BAE6C0F4; - Fri, 5 May 2006 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:01:44 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZwUrcoPEuZGVY5T1C2p+/PHynLMwABm22w From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, Norman Ramsey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: noweb +Cc: Norman Ramsey -Ralf, Norman, Tim, et al.=20 +Ralf, Norman, Tim, et al. > > Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> >=20 -> > The only place where I think it would be necessary to=20 -> > escape << is if an =3D sign immediately follows the >> +> > +> > The only place where I think it would be necessary to +> > escape << is if an = sign immediately follows the >> > > AND the << starts at the first column. In all other > > situations the line should be output by noweb literally -> > and NO error message should occurs. Maybe a WARNING (to=20 -> > stderr) would be nice, but still errcode=3D0. ->=20 +> > and NO error message should occurs. Maybe a WARNING (to +> > stderr) would be nice, but still errcode=0. +> On Friday, May 05, 2006 10:46 AM Norman Ramsey wrote: > > No. Misspelled chunk names or missing chunks should result > in errors, as should chunk names appearing in documentation. ->=20 +> As we all know this has been an "issue" in Axiom for some time now since Tim Daly originally proposed a patch which @@ -8707,48 +4737,15 @@ The bottom line here is that I agree with Norman that modifying noweb's behavior is not the correct solution and that if anything it should be more exact and strict. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc4g1-0002wV-A8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 14:05:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc4fz-0002vt-6S - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 14:05:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fc4fy-0002ut-CN - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 14:05:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fc4fx-0002ui-Un - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 14:05:14 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fc4g9-0008Ln-IP - for list; Fri, 05 May 2006 14:05:26 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DD1AF6C5CB; - Fri, 5 May 2006 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B01E36C25E; - Fri, 5 May 2006 14:05:02 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: noweb Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:05:01 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: noweb -Thread-Index: AcZwUrcoPEuZGVY5T1C2p+/PHynLMwABm22wAALbQuA= From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, Norman Ramsey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: noweb +Cc: Norman Ramsey On Friday, May 05, 2006 12:02 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Unfortunately developers still often use editing tools that > do not properly hide the internal representation of the > literate document so that on input the escape syntax can @@ -8819,42 +4816,10 @@ document and "re-tangling" it back into literate program format - provided of course that the editor is careful not to corrupt the structure of the embedded sentinel lines. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcMhY-0002e2-KX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 06 May 2006 09:20:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcMhX-0002co-0H - for list; Sat, 06 May 2006 09:20:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcMhV-0002c4-4y - for list; Sat, 06 May 2006 09:20:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FcMhU-0002c1-Vw - for list; Sat, 06 May 2006 09:20:01 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FcMht-0008NT-4g - for list; Sat, 06 May 2006 09:20:25 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k46DJkr4014880; - Sat, 6 May 2006 09:19:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5217F407; - Sat, 6 May 2006 09:19:47 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k46DE1Y08855; - Sat, 6 May 2006 09:14:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:14:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Tim Daly +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Functions and Expression trees > my current work involves converting aldor objects to and from OpenMath @@ -9063,46 +5028,13 @@ Value = (|pf2Sex|) to workspace. 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Sat, 6 May 2006 16:35:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k46EZTNt009306; Sat, 6 May 2006 16:35:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 06 May 2006 16:35:29 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 May 2006 16:35:29 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Gosh, I forgot the real thing. | > It is there, real this time. @@ -9355,42 +5287,10 @@ Name: svn:keywords \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcOVr-00070R-Rm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 06 May 2006 11:16:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcOVq-0006zW-Kc - for list; Sat, 06 May 2006 11:16:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcOVp-0006yw-O3 - for list; Sat, 06 May 2006 11:16:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FcOVp-0006yY-CM - for list; 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Sun, 7 May 2006 00:49:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 May 2006 00:49:33 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605061509.k46F9O508922@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 May 2006 00:49:33 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | I've applied your patches. they will be available at the next release. @@ -9479,47 +5342,11 @@ lsp/ChangeLog GCL-2.6.1 renamed collectfn.lsp to gcl\_collectfn.lsp. We rename it back into place because we have later Makefiles - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcklq-0002Zt-9s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 07 May 2006 11:02:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcklp-0002Zh-Ds - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 11:02:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcklm-0002YP-TH - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 11:02:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fcklm-0002YJ-QG - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 11:02:02 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FckmP-0000El-QO - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 11:02:41 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k47F1jBt026749; - Sun, 7 May 2006 11:01:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F397F40E; - Sun, 7 May 2006 11:01:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k47Etwa16876; - Sun, 7 May 2006 10:55:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:55:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 07 May 2006 00:49:33 +0200) Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605061509.k46F9O508922@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list my testing of your patches fails. i don't see how your tests could have succeeded. @@ -9533,53 +5360,13 @@ in initialization you must add the line: did i miss something? -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcrIq-0006gB-5x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:00:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcrIo-0006fn-BQ - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:00:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FcrIj-0006eu-Qm - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:00:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FcrIj-0006er-Lu - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:00:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FcrJQ-0005em-Kp - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:01:12 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122884F3B8; - Mon, 8 May 2006 00:00:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k47LujtZ015124; Sun, 7 May 2006 23:56:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k47LuiQs015123; Sun, 7 May 2006 23:56:45 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 May 2006 23:56:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605061509.k46F9O508922@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605071455.k47Etwa16876@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 May 2006 23:56:44 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | my testing of your patches fails. | i don't see how your tests could have succeeded. @@ -9616,51 +5403,11 @@ and below, there is this line: Are you having a failure that necesitate the setting of compiler::*suppress-compiler-notes everything time Axiom is invoked? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcs8b-0000fy-KA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:54:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcs8Y-0000fU-Le - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:54:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcs8W-0000ej-TJ - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:54:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fcs8W-0000eT-E1 - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:54:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fcs9E-0000xs-0V - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 18:54:44 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k47Mrq9Y029927; - Sun, 7 May 2006 18:53:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FE97F40C; - Sun, 7 May 2006 18:53:52 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k47Mm3517000; - Sun, 7 May 2006 18:48:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 18:48:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 07 May 2006 23:56:44 +0200) Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605061509.k46F9O508922@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605071455.k47Etwa16876@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list sigh. just can't win this month. just found out why it failed on me. i created code to test for the condition in a test file but i missed @@ -9669,52 +5416,13 @@ the boot package. my mistake. sorry about that. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcsf0-0006Tg-5L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 07 May 2006 19:27:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcsey-0006RZ-B6 - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 19:27:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fcsex-0006QK-5R - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 19:27:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fcsex-0006QE-25 - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 19:27:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fcsff-000372-3Y - for list; Sun, 07 May 2006 19:28:15 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1F640E22; - Mon, 8 May 2006 01:27:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k47NNmtZ015408; Mon, 8 May 2006 01:23:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k47NNmVW015407; Mon, 8 May 2006 01:23:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 08 May 2006 01:23:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605061509.k46F9O508922@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605071455.k47Etwa16876@localhost.localdomain> - - <200605072248.k47Mm3517000@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 08 May 2006 01:23:48 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | sigh. just can't win this month. just found out why it failed on me. | i created code to test for the condition in a test file but i missed @@ -9731,42 +5439,13 @@ could send vaiours test resulst including build and other sort of The axiom-commit list seems to have stopped working, do you have an idea? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdAnm-0004sA-Jc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:49:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdAnk-0004rX-DP - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:49:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdAnh-0004rL-G2 - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:49:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdAnh-0004rI-CU - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:49:45 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdAoa-0005E2-KC - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:50:40 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6848B13DB3 - for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:52:25 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.5]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EA713FF4; - Mon, 8 May 2006 13:52:25 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Jay Belanger Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:49:42 -0500 - "Mon, 1 May 2006 09:06:59 -0400") -Cc: +From: Jay Belanger +To: list Subject: Re: Issue building silver tree - -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: ... > Jay Belanger has identified this problem as due to incorrect > "recursive copies" in the Axiom Makefile. See: @@ -9793,50 +5472,15 @@ hidden directories are ignored. Of course, what I'm doing now is showing that I don't know much about the build process. -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdCGb-00048S-NF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:23:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdCGZ-00048N-VP - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:23:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdCGP-00045I-El - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:23:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdCGP-00045F-6y - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:23:29 -0400 -Received: from [195.5.254.231] (helo=kellthuzad.dmz.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdCHJ-0005xr-Cc - for list; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:24:25 -0400 -Received: from mallaury.nerim.net (smtp-101-monday.noc.nerim.net [62.4.17.101]) - by kellthuzad.dmz.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC61B401F6 - for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:23:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054164F3B0; - Mon, 8 May 2006 22:21:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k48KIBtZ021523; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:18:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k48KIBjg021522; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:18:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 08 May 2006 22:18:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Jay Belanger Subject: re: Issue building silver tree - <873bfkz709.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 08 May 2006 22:18:11 +0200 -Cc: list Jay Belanger writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | ... | > Jay Belanger has identified this problem as due to incorrect | > "recursive copies" in the Axiom Makefile. See: @@ -9885,37 +5529,10 @@ was really helpful he put all those details in there. Still we should not need to read all of the Makefiles before getting a good, high level idea of what is going on. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdRPy-0007QG-CQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdRPw-0007Ok-SO - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdRPu-0007Lw-Rt - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdRPu-0007Ld-Gw - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:18 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.24] (helo=smtp7.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdRQy-0000rf-3a - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:35:24 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0703.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C18511000076 - for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:34:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-16-80.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-16-80.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.158.80]) - by mwinf0703.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6E4821000067; - Tue, 9 May 2006 14:34:15 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:34:34 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Subject: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap Bill, @@ -9925,44 +5542,16 @@ bug in IssueTracker): http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap - -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdRk6-0001y0-DA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:55:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdRk4-0001x4-FE - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:55:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdRjz-0001tD-BE - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:55:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdRjy-0001sy-J8 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:55:02 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdRkq-0002bi-PT - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:55:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k49CrNpj060810; - Tue, 9 May 2006 14:53:28 +0200 (CEST) -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 May 2006 14:52:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Bill, ->=20 +> > Can you look at the following issue (it seems that there is a strange > bug in IssueTracker): @@ -9971,39 +5560,14 @@ ue is classified as a MathAction bug... Martin -=20 -> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap - - +> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdSv6-0006PW-8c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:10:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdSv5-0006OR-24 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:10:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdSv1-0006Kg-Nf - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:10:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdSv1-0006KW-Hw - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:10:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdSw6-0000dm-4J - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:11:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A554540F95; - Tue, 9 May 2006 16:10:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.61) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FdSux-0001zo-Sf; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:10:27 +0200 +Date: 09 May 2006 16:10:27 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Emacs mode in Windows -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 09 May 2006 16:10:27 +0200 -Cc: list Hello, @@ -10029,171 +5593,78 @@ and at the end I can save interpreter sessions. There is an old version on wiki.axiom-developer.org, and I can send my current version if someone wants it. -Francois Maltey - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdUCP-00076F-4a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:32:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdUCM-00072c-UH - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:32:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdUCL-0006ze-5H - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:32:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdUCL-0006zQ-2l - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:32:29 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.22] (helo=smtp9.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdUDQ-0000n9-BY - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:33:36 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8CD2E2400143 - for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:32:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-110-121.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-110-121.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.187.121]) - by mwinf0904.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 15D792400156; - Tue, 9 May 2006 17:32:27 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <85hd3zgy24.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:32:20 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap Hi, Le mardi 09 mai 2006 =E0 14:52 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > > Bill, -> >=20 +> > > > Can you look at the following issue (it seems that there is a strange > > bug in IssueTracker): ->=20 +> > the bug is not in IssueTracker, but in MathAction itself. Note that the= Issue > is classified as a MathAction bug... ->=20 +> > Martin -> =20 +> > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap ->=20 +> -About the bug #289, what is the error ? What is the expected result ?=20 +About the bug #289, what is the error ? What is the expected result ? On the lastest Axiom I found 3, and on older version I have to use the ')set func comp on' to find 3 again. -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdUFB-0008D6-6y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:35:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdUFA-0008Bb-9D - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:35:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdUF8-00088Z-Ao - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:35:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdUF8-00088A-3k - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:35:22 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdUGD-00013u-El - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:36:29 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF5C91C0010B - for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-110-121.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-110-121.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.187.121]) - by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2FCE71C0017E; - Tue, 9 May 2006 17:35:20 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <85hd3zgy24.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <1147188740.3775.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:35:39 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap Hi, Le mardi 09 mai 2006 =E0 17:32 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit : > Hi, ->=20 +> > Le mardi 09 mai 2006 =E0 14:52 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : > > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: -> >=20 +> > > > > Bill, -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Can you look at the following issue (it seems that there is a stran= ge > > > bug in IssueTracker): -> >=20 +> > > > the bug is not in IssueTracker, but in MathAction itself. Note that t= he Issue > > is classified as a MathAction bug... -> >=20 +> > > > Martin -> > =20 +> > > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -> >=20 ->=20 -> About the bug #289, what is the error ? What is the expected result ?=20 ->=20 +> > +> +> About the bug #289, what is the error ? What is the expected result ? +> > On the lastest Axiom I found 3, and on older version I have to use the > ')set func comp on' to find 3 again. And I forgot what is the new command (replacing map(...) by [...]) to work around this issue ? -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdWMV-0001TM-SU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:51:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdWMU-0001T2-Hq - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:51:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdWMS-0001Rx-6E - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:51:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdWMS-0001Ro-2h - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:51:04 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.191] (helo=web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdWNY-0005Kk-4z - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:52:12 -0400 -Received: (qmail 36411 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 17:51:01 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=C7cthym3Gqtjt9kLKJV//7/genMZOcT2K1w7dkj9JfG72APFSusmzfdNgX2/uFZCAn3OSM2pUcXWRpWy5m39n9+Zs8slxoA64ygDsjCNUE1/qlqzc0vhTV0YkEg7fbqzdSquEw3JRrKg6ycmJ28pP1lL+VPfPZvmS1iY+vg5lUQ= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 09 May 2006 10:51:01 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Emacs mode in Windows To: Francois Maltey -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Emacs mode in Windows --- Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -10257,43 +5728,10 @@ Francois, if you get a chance could you try out my attempt at an Emacs mode and see what you think? I expect it doesn't have all the features yours does but I'm trying to gradually build it up. -Cheers, -Cliff - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdYDK-000508-Pj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:49:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdYDJ-0004zg-1q - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:49:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdYDG-0004yz-8Z - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:49:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdYDG-0004yw-1h - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:49:42 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FdYEM-0002Jt-8O - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:50:50 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k49JnOHi005238 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 9 May 2006 21:49:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:48:03 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: Ann: ALLPROSE 0.2.0 Dear Aldor friends, @@ -10330,52 +5768,11 @@ To the Axiom developers... ALLPROSE is not yet integrated with Axiom, but I hope I get some feedback so that I would know what people want. -Ralf Hemmecke - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZDu-00040b-1V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:54:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZDs-00040H-HI - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:54:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZDq-0003zK-Ul - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:54:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdZDq-0003z6-Ph - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:54:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.247.60.24] (helo=mail.eecs.harvard.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FdYys-000163-Vv - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:38:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (oldbowser.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.60]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F011A44B9; - Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:43 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from mail.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.24]) - by localhost (oldbowser.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.60]) (amavisd-new, - port 10024) - with ESMTP id 34687-09; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:43 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (labrador.eecs.harvard.edu - [140.247.60.247]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA941A44B8; - Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:43 -0400 (EDT) -Received: by labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 32074) - id 626872AAAFC; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:43 -0400 (EDT) -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: re: noweb - <4460EC74.6050609@hemmecke.de> -Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke - message dated "Tue, 09 May 2006 21:24:36 +0200." Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:37:42 -0400 From: Norman Ramsey -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: noweb > Unfortunately, the website http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~nr/noweb/ is not > very explicit about pointing to a nice documentation that describes the @@ -10390,39 +5787,12 @@ I'm afraid you can have 'simple and understandable' or you can have 'precise'. You can't have both. The man page represents the usual muddled compromise that provides neither. - -Norman - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZYb-0004Nm-QY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:15:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZYa-0004Md-QW - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:15:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZYZ-0004Kh-MN - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:15:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdZYZ-0004KU-H9 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:15:47 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FdYEA-0002Fg-Ee - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:50:38 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k49JnJHi005232 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 9 May 2006 21:49:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:24:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: noweb -Cc: list, Norman Ramsey +Cc: Norman Ramsey Hi Bill, @@ -10451,52 +5821,20 @@ the building process, for example. I hope an extended ALLPROSE (http://www.hemmecke.de/aldor/) will some day remedy this situation. I'm not yet there, but I am working on it. -All the best - -Ralf - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZiv-0008Mo-CY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:26:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZit-0008LT-VP - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:26:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZis-0008Js-4B - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:26:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdZir-0008JC-K9 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:26:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=smtp3.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdUWQ-0008UW-Sk - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:53:17 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 207341C00B32 - for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:51:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-110-121.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-110-121.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.187.121]) - by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 88C611C00B21; - Tue, 9 May 2006 17:51:58 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <85hd3zgy24.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:52:17 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap Le mardi 09 mai 2006 =E0 14:52 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > > Bill, -> >=20 +> > > > Can you look at the following issue (it seems that there is a strange > > bug in IssueTracker): ->=20 +> > the bug is not in IssueTracker, but in MathAction itself. Note that the= Issue > is classified as a MathAction bug... @@ -10505,62 +5843,23 @@ In fact I have found why there is this error on MathAction. It's because your sequence of commands crashes Axiom. Adding a ')set func comp on' resolves this issue. -Cheers, - -Greg -=20 -> Martin -> =20 > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap ->=20 ->=20 - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZyO-0006Ro-7e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:42:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZyM-0006QL-B3 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:42:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdZyF-0006IN-Jp - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:42:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdZyF-0006IK-Eu - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:42:19 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdZzN-0008E9-TZ - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:43:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4ACA868594; - Tue, 9 May 2006 17:42:13 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 31C2968590; - Tue, 9 May 2006 17:42:11 -0400 (EDT) - charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:42:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Axiom error in issue 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -Thread-Index: AcZzZOpn6tIFzOWPTougaHRHPvvMwQASp0gg From: Bill Page -To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem, - Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Axiom error in issue - 289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap -Greg and Martin,=20 +Greg and Martin, On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:35 AM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 +> > Can you look at the following issue (it seems that there is a > strange bug in IssueTracker): ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/289TroubleWithEscapesOrMap ->=20 +> I agree that the previous behaviour of this page seems to be a strange bug in the way the page is rendered by MathAction. I @@ -10569,7 +5868,7 @@ still do not understand it. For example if I change the word course the code does not work). and on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM greg added: ->=20 +> > \begin{axiom} > ++added: > +)set func comp on @@ -10591,49 +5890,20 @@ Although this works with the compile option set, I think we should keep this issue report open because it indicates a weakness in MathAction that is hard to diagnose. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdavO-0006bF-76 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:43:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdavK-0006YO-Jv - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:43:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdavI-0006WR-Dk - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:43:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdavH-0006WJ-TJ - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:43:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdawI-000359-DN - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 18:44:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BF7A168875; - Tue, 9 May 2006 18:43:09 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E0BF268893; - Tue, 9 May 2006 18:43:05 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:43:05 -0400 -Thread-Topic: noweb vs. leo -Thread-Index: AcZzqHDRIAIAUVaLSdu2k58ZZpZffgACViqw From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: Norman Ramsey +To: list Subject: noweb vs. leo +Cc: Norman Ramsey On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:38 PM Norman Ramsey wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I'm afraid you can have 'simple and understandable' or > you can have 'precise'. You can't have both. The man > page represents the usual muddled compromise that provides > neither. ->=20 +> I don't mean for the following commments to be interpreted as critical but the above statement from someone who has @@ -10727,47 +5997,10 @@ advantage of all this involves some considerable effort. I am continuing to try to work up the energy to tackle Axiom with this tool. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdbjr-0002v7-1G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 19:35:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdbjp-0002us-HH - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 19:35:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdbjm-0002tS-Jf - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 19:35:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdbjm-0002tN-F0 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 19:35:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.247.60.24] (helo=mail.eecs.harvard.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fdbkw-0006KW-Fp - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 19:36:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (oldbowser.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.60]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806B1A44F5; - Tue, 9 May 2006 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from mail.eecs.harvard.edu ([140.247.60.24]) - by localhost (oldbowser.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.60]) (amavisd-new, - port 10024) - with ESMTP id 38027-05; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (labrador.eecs.harvard.edu - [140.247.60.247]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E4C1A44F4; - Tue, 9 May 2006 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) -Received: by labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 32074) - id 327B32AAAFC; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) -To: Bill Page -Comments: In-reply-to Bill Page - message dated "Tue, 09 May 2006 18:43:05 -0400." Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:35:28 -0400 From: Norman Ramsey -Cc: list +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: noweb vs. leo > On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:38 PM Norman Ramsey wrote: @@ -10853,40 +6086,10 @@ Too true, and good luck :-) Discussions of these sorts of questions used to enliven comp.programming.literate. May I have your permission to post this mail? - -Norman - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdcM3-0003Qo-OE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:15:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdcM2-0003Qj-HU - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:15:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdcM0-0003QX-6z - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdcM0-0003QU-0v - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:15:00 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdcNA-0000Uc-G5 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 20:16:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4D4B268E9A; - Tue, 9 May 2006 20:14:59 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 476DA68EB3; - Tue, 9 May 2006 20:14:57 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:14:56 -0400 -Thread-Topic: noweb vs. leo -Thread-Index: AcZzwUUrBaVRAnv8R7G3vtmI/hH2RAAAhnWA From: Bill Page -To: "Norman Ramsey" Norman Ramsey -Cc: list +To: Norman Ramsey Subject: RE: noweb vs. leo On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:35 PM Norman Ramsey wrote: @@ -10912,10 +6115,10 @@ are probably less than yours and our problem is larger than just > > about the need to view large complex literate programs like > > Axiom from the point of view of a "crystal" with multiple > > facets. ->=20 -> Also quite interesting. And expensive, as every facet must=20 +> +> Also quite interesting. And expensive, as every facet must > be polished. ->=20 +> Apparently true, but as the song says (Edwin Starr): @@ -10924,54 +6127,21 @@ Apparently true, but as the song says (Edwin Starr): > > Organizing a project to take best advantage of all this [Leo] > > involves some considerable effort. I am continuing to try to > > work up the energy to tackle Axiom with this tool. ->=20 +> > Too true, and good luck :-) ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Discussions of these sorts of questions used to enliven -> comp.programming.literate. May I have your permission to=20 +> comp.programming.literate. May I have your permission to > post this mail? ->=20 +> Certainly. I guess I should visit some time. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdd5n-0002h0-2K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:02:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdd5l-0002gr-72 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:02:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdd5j-0002gf-KJ - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:02:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdd5j-0002gc-Fs - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:02:15 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fdd6u-0003BA-8m - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:03:28 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4A12Av0006256; - Tue, 9 May 2006 21:02:10 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C5D7F40A; - Tue, 9 May 2006 21:02:10 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4A0uI903076; - Tue, 9 May 2006 20:56:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:56:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Norman Ramsey - from Norman Ramsey on Tue, 09 May 2006 19:35:28 -0400) - <20060509233529.327B32AAAFC@labrador.eecs.harvard.edu> -Cc: list Subject: Re: noweb vs. leo >We have found that for a moderately large project (say over 10,000 @@ -11043,44 +6213,11 @@ software to make it into a living document and a coherent whole. Like all research tasks, the shape changes and improves as we struggle with the issues that arise. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdd9R-0003pR-Rz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:06:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdd9Q-0003pM-0H - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:06:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdd9N-0003p9-9J - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:06:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdd9N-0003p6-4d - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:06:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FddAY-0003JZ-0u - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 21:07:14 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B44F3C6; - Wed, 10 May 2006 03:05:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4A128tZ029510; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:02:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4A1285v029509; Wed, 10 May 2006 03:02:08 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 10 May 2006 03:02:08 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Norman Ramsey Subject: re: noweb vs. leo - <20060509233529.327B32AAAFC@labrador.eecs.harvard.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 May 2006 03:02:08 +0200 -Cc: list Norman Ramsey writes: @@ -11094,69 +6231,39 @@ Norman Ramsey writes: Amen. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdf2I-0001K5-29 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 23:06:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdf2G-0001JT-2b - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 23:06:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdf2E-0001JF-15 - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 23:06:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdf2D-0001JC-SA - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 23:06:45 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fdf3P-0000gZ-Qe - for list; Tue, 09 May 2006 23:08:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EEAB06A563; - Tue, 9 May 2006 23:06:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 16E416A499; - Tue, 9 May 2006 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:06:42 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Emacs mode in Windows -Thread-Index: AcZzkTItXLZx3R7DSw20GMLDC4gC0AASQHfQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp, - "Francois Maltey" Francois Maltey -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp, Francois Maltey +Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:51 PM C Y > Francois Maltey wrote: ->=20 +> > > Axiomacs.el does the exchanges between emacs and axiom with -> > *.input files.=20 -> >=20 +> > *.input files. +> > > > So I can use multi-lines blocs command, as in an *.imput > > file, and at the end I can save interpreter sessions. ->=20 +> > By the latter do you mean something like: ->=20 +> > (1) -> integrate(x^2+x^3+x^4+ > x^5+x^6, x) ->=20 +> No, I don't think that is what Francois means. In Axiom the syntax accepted during interactive input at a command prompt, e.g. -(1) -> for i in 1..3 repeat (i:=3Di+1; output i) +(1) -> for i in 1..3 repeat (i:=i+1; output i) must consist of a single line or use line continuations that look like this: (1) -> for i in 1..3 repeat (_ - i:=3Di+1;_ + i:=i+1;_ output i_ ) @@ -11178,7 +6285,7 @@ parenthesis to group commands and looks similar to *.spad files. For example the file xxx.input might contain: for i in 1..3 repeat - i:=3Di+1 + i:=i+1 output i -------- @@ -11202,47 +6309,13 @@ Axiom to execute it by sending the command: instead of sending the contents of the buffer directly to Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdnEO-0003cb-9Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:51:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdnEM-0003c2-Cp - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:51:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdnEK-0003at-KB - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:51:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdnEK-0003aY-Cn - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:51:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdnFb-0000od-DX - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:53:07 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407C040E2A; - Wed, 10 May 2006 13:51:46 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4ABlstZ031579; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:47:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4ABlsJB031578; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:47:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 10 May 2006 13:47:54 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom wishlist (was re: noweb vs. leo) - <20060509233529.327B32AAAFC@labrador.eecs.harvard.edu> - <200605100056.k4A0uI903076@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 May 2006 13:47:54 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | >We have found that for a moderately large project (say over 10,000 | >lines of code) an outline (or even a set of outlines) is not enough. @@ -11274,38 +6347,11 @@ Tim -- Have you listed those projects somewhere on Axiom's website? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdoht-0006AQ-Br - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdohr-00069Q-Sf - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdohq-00067X-Cq - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdohq-00067R-7o - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:22 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.183] (helo=web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fdoj8-0001nw-9s - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:27:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 71633 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2006 13:26:21 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=K6gT+Z1EnzKMDxM+HsMGYujYxHUGluQg84aD86DJPSuUxeczZJu5/xqrM2ypJ1rYXnlI+3YolXoNTGjXGL9CwdJBKu4xADn+L52ldWqwKfibWcHZ+fiosZVdjovL5p/j7+bjSAFFVY2dDbZsSHkDzN3/mRa4JDdqwP/74cLThMA= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 10 May 2006 06:26:21 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 06:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows To: Bill Page, Francois Maltey -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -11381,49 +6427,14 @@ way to do that would be to introduce a separate axiom-input-mode that intelligently handles that issue. I'll have to give it some thought, but it's a good idea. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdpRa-0001i0-US - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdpRZ-0001hb-Nb - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdpRX-0001hB-Am - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdpRX-0001h8-69 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdpSp-0006D7-O2 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:14:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3796667FD1; - Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AB16A6806E; - Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:25 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:25 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Movie upload -Thread-Index: AcZ0NeZGd0TUDTm4QJCA+h+tlgfMHAABRbwg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Movie upload On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:30 AM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > Hey Bill. I made a video of Axiom in Emacs - nothing special > and no sound (I don't have a microphone) but I was wondering > if you could help me upload it. @@ -11450,45 +6461,17 @@ If you want to change the location of the link and the associated text, click 'edit' again and cut-and-paste the link where you want it and add the text. -=20 + > Anyway, I've attached the files in question. Any help > appreciated - sorry if this should be obvious to me :-/. ->=20 +> I'll do it this time ... but next time it's up to you. ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdpqe-00045m-Do - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:39:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdpqc-00045h-Hz - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:39:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdpqb-00045N-8p - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:39:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdpqb-00045K-6l - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:39:29 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fdprt-0000BH-RZ - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:40:50 -0400 -Received: (qmail 45435 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2006 14:39:20 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=qeskkwQeGoVR0lLgkUQ0lvSVTagO/BDEI30XFn2m2o48q6CH1NJbNL7EF2ppi8ow1LPvljU/+S0VBiAtz7Cmhn7WY5GFx1gFP72dhmSocXrBb6+Xo3/4L0+jpV3xO0v6/+JA1dW1+ahKsCc50ytXrFEDJdch+xp46q+4r79jWd8= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 10 May 2006 07:39:20 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: Movie upload --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -11535,45 +6518,10 @@ microphone. Never tried that in Linux before... BTY, was anybody else going to make a demo movie of Axiom's graphing capabilities? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdq9G-0002xA-Px - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdq9F-0002x5-US - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fdq9E-0002wN-2R - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdq9D-0002wK-W2 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdqAW-00029L-NX - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:00:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D8E8668360; - Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5358268095; - Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:33 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:58:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Movie upload -Thread-Index: AcZ0P5Cv+f4GdHaCShOdqiGcRvZ+igAAZw6w From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Movie upload Cliff, @@ -11583,24 +6531,24 @@ people to submit similar things. We need a lot more than my original "pitiful" efforts... On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:39 AM you asked: -> ...=20 +> ... > > If you want to change the location of the link and the > > associated text, click 'edit' again and cut-and-paste the > > link where you want it and add the text. ->=20 +> > OK, makes sense. There are actually two files - the html page > and the swf file itself - do I upload those one after the other? -Yes. But I think you should use a more specific src=3D"..." file -name than just "out.swf". I changed the name of the file to=20 +Yes. But I think you should use a more specific src="..." file +name than just "out.swf". I changed the name of the file to 'axiomemacsout.swf' and the HTML code to correspond: - ... + ... ->=20 +> > I can see the html page, but it looks like my cruddy flash plugin > dropped the ball again for viewing. Can y'all see it? ->=20 +> Works for me. Maybe you tried it before I completed the upload of the '.swf' file. @@ -11608,10 +6556,10 @@ of the '.swf' file. > > > Anyway, I've attached the files in question. Any help > > > appreciated - sorry if this should be obvious to me :-/. -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > I'll do it this time ... but next time it's up to you. ;) ->=20 +> > Just didn't want to destroy the wiki :-P. PLEASE use the wiki. DO NOT be afraid that you might "destroy" @@ -11624,49 +6572,19 @@ completely reversible if necessary. Yes, I think you should. If you are using newer version of linux and shockwave apps then you should have no problems. ->=20 +> > BTY, was anybody else going to make a demo movie of Axiom's -> graphing capabilities? =20 ->=20 +> graphing capabilities? +> Go for it! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdrGQ-00032s-EC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdrGO-00031n-Mf - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdrGM-0002yZ-3z - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdrGL-0002yV-V1 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:10:09 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdrHf-0008Vv-J9 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:11:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 54760 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2006 16:10:06 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=MoQ92zbaWxKPfumbs2zZSkTOVepGsqLV3bPpjDrFfr2fLecFw+feSEu8nehiStY+ld7+MEXTKYsIqKQAOeejwirNKP5Yn4qUDsaiqdqjvWzgsSFa+1jk2H8lWZorZaxMMYE0r/4VS3AkE8ltNnKBVxNlvGYUYgIWmzC3O4X5Fgw= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 10 May 2006 09:10:05 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: Movie upload - - --- Bill Page wrote: > Cliff, @@ -11736,51 +6654,16 @@ http://www.daniel-lemire.com/blog/archives/2005/10/12/logitech-usb-desktop-micro OK, here we go... -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdrbJ-0003S9-L8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdrbH-0003Rt-Iy - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdrbG-0003RW-0K - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdrbF-0003RQ-Iy - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:45 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdrcZ-000205-Az - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:33:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9AB006895E; - Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A663B68953; - Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:41 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Emacs mode in Windows -Thread-Index: AcZ0NV0bXaxXkWJ0QD23ZKDmNgOCBwAF/bzg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:26 AM C Y wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > When interacting with emacs I expect it would normally be > > most convenient for Axiom users to be able to type the > > *.input syntax in a emacs command buffer. Emacs would send @@ -11789,10 +6672,10 @@ On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:26 AM C Y wrote: > > Axiom to execute it by sending the command: > > > > )read temp1.input -> >=20 +> > > > instead of sending the contents of the buffer directly to > > Axiom. ->=20 +> > OK... This should be possible, but it sounds like this is a > little different from what I'm doing currently. You don't want > to support a different syntax on the command line, but type @@ -11817,7 +6700,7 @@ you are writing SPAD cod). > separate axiom-input-mode that intelligently handles that > issue. I'll have to give it some thought, but it's a good > idea. ->=20 +> >From what Francois said in his earlier message, that is what the 'axiomacs.el' mode does now for Axiom '.input' format. @@ -11835,97 +6718,40 @@ really no need (usually) to have direct access to the Axiom command line. E.g. we never interact directly with the command line on MathAction. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fds5Z-0001lt-UX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fds5Y-0001kx-A0 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fds5W-0001k4-I5 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fds5W-0001jz-E0 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:02 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fds6q-0004tk-D1 - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1960B65D9E; - Wed, 10 May 2006 13:02:57 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2318467312; - Wed, 10 May 2006 13:02:50 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:02:49 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Emacs mode in Windows -Thread-Index: AcZ0NV0bXaxXkWJ0QD23ZKDmNgOCBwAF/bzgAAF14tA= From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Emacs mode in Windows On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:32 PM I wrote: > ... > To do that now with Axiom one might use the commands: ->=20 +> > )edit xxx.input > )read xxx.input ->=20 +> > and alternate between these two commands while you test > some new code. Alternatively you might do: ->=20 +> > )edit xxx.as > )compile xxx.as ->=20 +> > if you are writing a library routine in Aldor (or .spad if > you are writing SPAD cod). -> ...=20 +> ... Just so it is clear what I mean: I think of the emacs buffer as replacing the use of the ')edit' command and that the ')read' or ')compile' command would be generated internally by the 'execute' command. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdxG5-0003se-1x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:34:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdxG3-0003p5-0J - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:34:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FdxG2-0003ni-2H - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:34:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdxG1-0003mr-NE - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:34:13 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FdxHO-0005S9-5B - for list; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:35:38 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4AMY0Hi003799 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 11 May 2006 00:34:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:30:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Norman Ramsey Subject: Re: noweb vs. leo +Cc: Norman Ramsey Hi Bill, @@ -11969,38 +6795,10 @@ question would be who actually defines what and "atomic documentation piece" is? What happens if some documentation changes that is used somewhere else? There are lots of questions... and almost no time :-( -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeBm3-00068A-74 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:04:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeBm1-00067f-PQ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:04:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeBlz-00066c-Rs - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:04:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeBlz-00066X-Lq - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:04:11 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.182] (helo=web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeBnV-0004eV-QL - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:05:46 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25292 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 14:04:10 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=R5iaBmd3N04XclQ9Z2jcVmP2VIdGZZp6aI+jIkiC1qnDdYGLjImlCHCyWOuHSvABxUgxIiSEQa8P/i8MbGF2D/euTsTeqBW6oUxgH5oWYQOGoIU7CgzNENZnNq+IIKSvpRVswwMTdLYlZLu/M2J3VOmo9RKcdJ/J1dKTJ/tSBmU= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 11 May 2006 07:04:09 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, list -Cc: Subject: endpaper3 Hey Bill. Just wanted to let you know I got a cvs version of graphviz @@ -12016,43 +6814,10 @@ confirm I did this right, is it: I hope we can get some autogenerated graphs like this into the pamphlet files later one - I'm very impressed with the results. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeCY7-0004D0-VI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:53:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeCY6-0004By-Mc - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:53:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeCY5-00049i-31 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:53:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeCY4-00049G-GH - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:53:52 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.192] (helo=web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeCZb-0000g5-6U - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:55:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail 66346 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 14:53:51 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=vbYgEMQrAJKk3yO2eDPRDnZV4Y+uGng73mvpp41zWdXXspP+oYzqnM8CX7NkKvTlsOsbDtAXWBr5dStSkGq1WjjaQmvZ4EzxFDyAc6mYi/EJedIrwAEbjgUgqKYbSXizQCWOYLJdu3Dwgg/t3e4oDywpfSdX/v0An+pmbrg1VUs= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 11 May 2006 07:53:51 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page, list -Cc: +To: Bill Page Subject: Emacs + input syntax A couple of quick questions, so I know what I'm up against: @@ -12091,44 +6856,11 @@ one or two easily fixed bugs before I rip the guts out? If not I'll just go ahead and ram heads with mmm-mode, but that will mean no updates on the current mode for an unforseeable amount of time. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDFk-0007YL-Tl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:39:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDFj-0007XB-Q6 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDFi-0007VP-1h - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeDFh-0007VB-Sc - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:57 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeDHF-0004rq-2R - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:40:33 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4BFctHi003161 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 11 May 2006 17:38:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:28 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -12145,48 +6877,19 @@ As for mmm-mode, I *use* it and I also suggest it for ALLPROSE. It works quite nicely for me and is for my taste better than noweb-mode. However, I cannot help you if you need to go into the code itself. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDd5-0001J6-RY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:03:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDd3-0001I8-UG - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:03:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDd0-0001FO-9A - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:03:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeDcx-0001FA-Gi - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:03:00 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeDeU-0007Oz-Ts - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:04:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D6B126A404; - Thu, 11 May 2006 12:02:57 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EBEC56A3DA; - Thu, 11 May 2006 12:02:55 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:02:55 -0400 -Thread-Topic: endpaper3 -Thread-Index: AcZ1A8+U6NVIakI8T3ChFVdaAuUbFwAD/7cQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: endpaper3 On Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:04 AM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > Hey Bill. Just wanted to let you know I got a cvs version of > graphviz on my computer at home and was able to successfully > (I think successfully, at least) generate the endpaper3 document. > Just to confirm I did this right, is it: ->=20 +> > 1. run latex once to get the .dot files > 2. run dot -Tps on the generated dot files to get ps files > 3. run latex again once or twice on the tex file to get a dvi @@ -12196,68 +6899,41 @@ On Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:04 AM C Y wrote: Yes, that is right. This is done automatically when you click 'Save' in a 'pamphlet' web page on MathAction. -=20 -> I hope we can get some autogenerated graphs like this into=20 + +> I hope we can get some autogenerated graphs like this into > the pamphlet files later on - I'm very impressed with the > results. ->=20 +> Sounds good to me. As far as I am concerned, the more graphics the better! Using nodes and edges of the graph/diagram as hyperlinks is convenient in a lot of cases. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDnB-0006ru-PS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:13:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDn9-0006rg-Rb - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:13:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeDn9-0006rM-AV - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:13:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeDn9-0006rJ-28 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:13:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeDog-0008VB-H6 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:15:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236DB40FEE; - Thu, 11 May 2006 18:13:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.61) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FeDn4-0001ch-Io; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:13:26 +0200 +Date: 11 May 2006 18:13:26 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 11 May 2006 18:13:26 +0200 -Cc: list -Hello Cliff,=20 +Hello Cliff, > A couple of quick questions, so I know what I'm up against: -=20 + > 1. I don't suppose the use of the _ character to indicate a new line > is unique to input syntax? If not, would it be OK to make it so in > Emacs if I can make multi-line input without it in "normal" input mode? ->=20 +> > 2. If the answer to both questions in #1 is no and I can't assume the > _ character is unique, is there any reliable way to detect when someone > is inputing input syntax rather than the normal user level input? -I think it's too complex to detect inside emacs if=20 +I think it's too complex to detect inside emacs if the syntax is an axiom-command-line or an axiom-input-style. -You may have a global variable axiom-input-mode, someones set to=20 +You may have a global variable axiom-input-mode, someones set to 'axiom-command-line, others to 'axiom-input-syntax. - (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-command-line)=20 -or (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-input-syntax)=20 + (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-command-line) +or (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-input-syntax) at the beginning of axiommode.el > 3. If the answer to #2 is no, how should I know when to do the input @@ -12267,7 +6943,7 @@ at the beginning of axiommode.el -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -When you use the *.input file method I find three exceptions=20 +When you use the *.input file method I find three exceptions where you CAN'T create a new *.input file to send data to axiom. After the first (1)-> : think to the bug arround the duplicate (1)->. @@ -12276,45 +6952,45 @@ After )d op axiom wait a yes. So here is my old function which respond if I must send a file or not. -The reponse of this function is=20 +The reponse of this function is 'wait [a file], 'wait-kbd [a string] or 'run [axiom is running] (defun axiomRun-kernel-state-by-output nil - (save-excursion=20 + (save-excursion (let (tmpa tmpb tmpc tmp) (goto-char axiomRun-marker-edit) - (setq tmpa=20 - (and=20 - (posix-search-backward "^\\(([0-9]*) -> $\\)" nil t)=20 + (setq tmpa + (and + (posix-search-backward "^\\(([0-9]*) -> $\\)" nil t) (match-end 0))) (goto-char axiomRun-marker-edit) (setq tmpb - (and=20 + (and (posix-search-backward "and return to the operating system:\n" ni= l t) (match-end 0))) (goto-char axiomRun-marker-edit) (setq tmpc - (and=20 + (and (posix-search-backward "yes and then pressing Enter :\n" nil t) - (match-end 0)))=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 + (match-end 0))) (cond ((not (or tmpa tmpb tmpc)) 'run) - ((=3D 14 (count-lines 1 axiomRun-marker-edit)) 'run) + ((= 14 (count-lines 1 axiomRun-marker-edit)) 'run) ((and tmpa (eq 1 (- (marker-position axiomRun-marker-edit) tmpa)))= -=20 + 'wait) ((and tmpb (eq 1 (- (marker-position axiomRun-marker-edit) tmpb))) 'wait-kbd) ((and tmpc (eq 1 (- (marker-position axiomRun-marker-edit) tmpc)))= -=20 + 'wait-kbd) (t 'run))))) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -There is an other problem :=20 +There is an other problem : If you send too quickly 2 lines to axiom, after a [Ctrl-K] [Ctrl-Y] as 1+2 @@ -12322,12 +6998,12 @@ If you send too quickly 2 lines to axiom, after a [Ctrl-K] [Ctrl-Y] as axiom itself mismatch the output. So axiom-mode might send lines (or blocks) one after the other. -Then there are two possibilities :=20 +Then there are two possibilities : -1-either you send only one line to axiom,=20 +1-either you send only one line to axiom, and wait the next [return] for the next line -2-either you send only one line to axiom,=20 - and when the output show that axiom has finish one line=20 +2-either you send only one line to axiom, + and when the output show that axiom has finish one line the emacs mode sends the next one, and so on but finish when the cursor is inside or before the actual line. @@ -12343,9 +7019,9 @@ Then there are two possibilities :=20 > right in a way because even in termainal mode I have other ideas for > mmm-mode and will need to come to terms with it. -It's perhaps too complex to mix 2 modes.=20 +It's perhaps too complex to mix 2 modes. One for axiom-run and second one for faces and colors. -I never do it.=20 +I never do it. > If I need to do that, I'm going to have to take time out for a > re-organization and refactoring of the code. I've got some tricks in @@ -12354,7 +7030,7 @@ I never do it.=20 > the board. Perhaps properties are sufficient to detect pair input/output. -=20 + -------------------------------------------------------------------------- @@ -12364,56 +7040,25 @@ Perhaps properties are sufficient to detect pair input/output. > just go ahead and ram heads with mmm-mode, but that will mean no > updates on the current mode for an unforseeable amount of time. -I admire your use of comint.=20 +I admire your use of comint. I found easiest to re-rewrite the input/output between axiom and emacs when I done mupad-run and axiom-run. I don't understand what you want to do with the mmm-mode. -Have a good day ! - -Fran=C3=A7ois - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeE1l-0004J0-F3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeE1j-0004I4-UQ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeE1i-0004HB-VQ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeE1i-0004H0-8i - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeE3F-0001fA-TN - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:30:10 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4C9EF6A4ED; - Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:33 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E9CE36A4F0; - Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:19 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:28:19 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Emacs + input syntax -Thread-Index: AcZ1Cr00ZLaO6AHrRRWF7Qb1QqJrXAACiOrA From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Emacs + input syntax -Cliff,=20 +Cliff, On Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:54 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > A couple of quick questions, so I know what I'm up against: ->=20 +> > 1. I don't suppose the use of the _ character to indicate a new > line is unique to input syntax? @@ -12434,9 +7079,9 @@ syntax used in the ')read' command is that it would not allow '#pile' (indentation) block structure. You would always have to insert parenthesis (not {}!) and semicolons ; to separate commands. ->=20 +> > 2. If the answer to both questions in #1 is no and I can't assume -> the _ character is unique, is there any reliable way to detect=20 +> the _ character is unique, is there any reliable way to detect > when someone is inputing input syntax rather than the normal user > level input? @@ -12453,7 +7098,7 @@ and semicolons ; in a block notation that is common in "C" and several other languages. But I suppose that is irrelevant to the current discussion. ->=20 +> > 3. If the answer to #2 is no, how should I know when to do > the input syntax eval instead of the normal eval? I could > define a different key combination but if the user forgot @@ -12464,8 +7109,8 @@ style .input syntax. In all other respects .input syntax is the same as the command line input. You have to allow _ in any case, but you don't need to generate anything automatically. ->=20 -> I've been looking at mmm-mode for other reasons, not the=20 +> +> I've been looking at mmm-mode for other reasons, not the > least of which is the eventual need to handle literate > documents, but I think I'm going to need it sooner than > that so I might have to take time out to figure out how @@ -12486,7 +7131,7 @@ indentation folding (hiding). And of course if you are allowing noweb markup text mixed with your saved Axiom session that's a whole 'nother thing. ->=20 +> > If I need to do that, I'm going to have to take time out > for a re-organization and refactoring of the code. I've > got some tricks in there now for dealing with things like @@ -12496,52 +7141,24 @@ with your saved Axiom session that's a whole 'nother thing. I would say "keep it simple". Just process all Axiom input via ')read' for now. ->=20 +> > So here's the last question - is anybody using this mode > now, or to be more specific is anybody using it enough to > warrant me squashing the one or two easily fixed bugs before > I rip the guts out? If not I'll just go ahead and ram > heads with mmm-mode, but that will mean no updates on the > current mode for an unforseeable amount of time. ->=20 +> I think the change to always using ')read' for Axiom input should be a simple and local change to your program as it exists now. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeEWj-0001y2-9n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeEWh-0001xn-PQ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeEWf-0001xT-BV - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeEWf-0001xQ-76 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:33 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeEYD-0004An-0O - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:02:09 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4BH0UHi011020 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 11 May 2006 19:00:30 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:01:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list On 05/11/2006 06:28 PM, Page, Bill wrote: > No. _ can be used as a line continuation both at the command line @@ -12568,38 +7185,11 @@ ine <<_ Note that the identifier "newline" goes over two lines. That does not work for keywords, though. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeG20-0005j8-4t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:37:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeG1y-0005j3-Gt - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:36:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeG1w-0005ir-0S - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:36:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeG1v-0005io-Qy - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:36:55 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.183] (helo=web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeG3U-0004QC-RE - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:38:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32687 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 18:36:54 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=j0IOXnF7NkqNjy0lO4gMDlk2Km706mtmCFiU/JBWx7rQZllwk4WUjg1FoNfQ5HEviD9NdTssbNZotDKKBmcxNC87KIBWUKBJwrCKn/oAF5pG9XzDTfZQ5PozuFtk8/Ze5Zziq6FJxfByLLLrjlNx3VdXo7/i561EOxkAI2I1cd4= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 11 May 2006 11:36:54 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax To: Francois Maltey -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax --- Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -12687,47 +7277,11 @@ modes provide two different sets of behavior. I have some other ideas about allowing text/latex blocks before IO pairs as well, but that's for later. -> Have a good day ! - -You too! - -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I'm trying to figure out what the "Right Way" is. I concede I'm not the best person for this job, but all I can do is try. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeGVU-0002oy-7b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:07:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeGVS-0002oB-M2 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:07:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeGVS-0002nz-45 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:07:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeGVS-0002nw-0Q - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:07:26 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeGX1-0007Tg-7a - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:09:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 45996 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 19:07:25 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=SbGmKKqiiOCwS4EUc2yAxze18L8KRr1cTjbPNvkf3pZulRD4lIW/QioU8RgqqNz8SvFAPZSOZeHc3hdJpIaOqqFfh9WR2kWsFIemBxa6vYY5COAh6wB6Z3J2YobfJHUtK0koqN8YX4hhEGmYeyJBy+i3U69CZeMO3QxD4UcH+8A= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 11 May 2006 12:07:24 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: Emacs + input syntax --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12978,59 +7499,27 @@ bindings would do. Hmm... Do I have to use temp files, or is there a way to do )read "string"? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeHNe-0008OW-Pr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:03:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeHNc-0008Nt-Sa - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:03:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeHNb-0008NA-0Q - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:03:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeHNa-0008N7-Nk - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:03:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeHPA-0003IW-Db - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:05:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD42540E23; - Thu, 11 May 2006 22:03:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.61) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FeHNX-0001x7-R1; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:03:19 +0200 +Date: 11 May 2006 22:03:19 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 11 May 2006 22:03:19 +0200 -Cc: list -Francois again...=20 +Francois again... -> > I think it's too complex to detect inside emacs if=20 +> > I think it's too complex to detect inside emacs if > > the syntax is an axiom-command-line or an axiom-input-style. ->=20 +> > I was afraid of that. ->=20=20 -> > You may have a global variable axiom-input-mode, someones set to=20 +> +> > You may have a global variable axiom-input-mode, someones set to > > 'axiom-command-line, others to 'axiom-input-syntax. -> > (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-command-line)=20 -> > or (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-input-syntax)=20 +> > (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-command-line) +> > or (setq axiom-input-mode 'axiom-input-syntax) > > at the beginning of axiommode.el ->=20 +> > That means you have to select all of one style or all of another, -> something I am hoping to avoid.=20=20 +> something I am hoping to avoid. > I want to be able to use command line syntax for most things but > create the occasional *.input entry at will. @@ -13049,17 +7538,17 @@ es. > I'm not sure why (1)-> should be an issue, but I can look into it. Because when I run axiom (not axiomSYS) I have two prompts (1)-> on my -screen.=20 +screen. The first one isn't a real prompt because axiom display after a second. > Well, I'm assuming that .input syntax and command-line syntax have -> distinct rules.=20 +> distinct rules. My advice changes... see (*) > What I should be able to do (if I understand mmm-mode) > is create localized behavior on the axiom input line, and by changing -> modes provide two different sets of behavior.=20=20 +> modes provide two different sets of behavior. > I have some other ideas > about allowing text/latex blocks before IO pairs as well, but that's @@ -13067,50 +7556,19 @@ My advice changes... see (*) When I played with mupad and emacs, I tryed to allow the insert of comments between commands and output. It's a HUGE work and now I reject this idea. -Either I have a read-only buffer for axiom and all, as a typewriter.=20 +Either I have a read-only buffer for axiom and all, as a typewriter. Either I have a latex file and I cut/copy/paste blocks from/to axiom-buffer. But of corse it's my advise, you may have good reasons to do what you want. -Bye. - -Fran=C3=A7ois - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeIzJ-0004Ef-4q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeIzG-0004Dw-MQ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeIzE-0004DD-Rb - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeIzE-0004D8-Nx - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJ0p-0003Ap-7n - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:47:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 317D66CB6B; - Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:19 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 26BF86CBFE; - Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:05 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:46:04 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Emacs + input syntax -Thread-Index: AcZ1HHUHWxMxSei+Rp+Rvf7sPI9T2wAJvIFA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax On Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:01 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 -> I would always suggest to forget about the #pile mode when=20 +> ... +> I would always suggest to forget about the #pile mode when > you program in Aldor ... Why? Your suggestion seems to me only a kind of @@ -13121,45 +7579,13 @@ point of both SPAD and Aldor that they support it (SPAD requires it). It is briefer, cleaner and easier to read. What purpose does the extra bracket { ... } syntax serve if we all agree that "good" programming -practice demands consistent indentation?=20 - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - +practice demands consistent indentation? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJES-0003C8-Hz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:02:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJEQ-0003Bo-EU - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:02:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJEO-0003Aw-So - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:02:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeJEO-0003Ao-JJ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:02:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJFz-0004e9-GS - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:03:39 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB3340F26; - Fri, 12 May 2006 00:01:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4BLw0tZ007067; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:58:00 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4BLw0Gl007066; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:58:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 11 May 2006 23:58:00 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 May 2006 23:58:00 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -13178,55 +7604,26 @@ those infamous "tabs" in Makefiles. It is a relic from stone ages we should not carry over. Your mileage may vary. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJM8-0002r0-EN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:10:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJM7-0002qv-QH - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJM6-0002qR-8X - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeJM6-0002qI-61 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:58 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJNh-0005NH-9s - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:11:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 60F436CE8F; - Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:57 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 35A696CE48; - Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:51 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:50 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Emacs + input syntax -Thread-Index: AcZ1Roy13rQ4/XrlSCaHog6XxpAVcAAADdog From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Gaby, Ralf, On Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:58 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > | On Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:01 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> | > ...=20 -> | > I would always suggest to forget about the #pile mode when=20 +> | > ... +> | > I would always suggest to forget about the #pile mode when > | > you program in Aldor ... -> |=20 +> | > | Why? Your suggestion seems to me only a kind of > | linguist prejudice. ->=20 +> > I think I'm with Ralf here. I find the pile notation highly > confusing and irritating when editing. It is one of the > downsides I find with Python, Haskell, Axiom, etc. For me, @@ -13237,7 +7634,7 @@ In what sense is this notation "a relic"? Do you know other "ancient" languages (besides SPAD) that used this syntax? > Your mileage may vary. ->=20 +> It does. :-) @@ -13250,43 +7647,11 @@ structure more succinctly? If not, my label of "linguist prejudice" must surely apply. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJeA-00070F-Op - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJe8-0006zR-SR - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJe7-0006yN-IR - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeJe7-0006yI-6X - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJfi-0006lJ-Hy - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:30:14 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4BMSRVQ011629; - Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326217F407; - Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4BMMWf04577; - Thu, 11 May 2006 18:22:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:22:32 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list >Can either of you give any objective argument about why >you prefer to write in a serialized one-dimensional manner, @@ -13317,43 +7682,11 @@ experience is post-judging a decision. the decision to pile is flawed. based on experience. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJeM-00076G-8Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJeK-00074j-IK - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJeJ-00074X-SW - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeJeJ-00074U-LI - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:28:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJfu-0006m7-TA - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:30:27 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9192C4F3A4; - Fri, 12 May 2006 00:28:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4BMOltZ007179; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:24:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4BMOlE1007178; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:24:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 12 May 2006 00:24:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 May 2006 00:24:47 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -13389,42 +7722,11 @@ braces don't prevent you from indenting. It actually applies both ways, so I don't find it persuasive :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJgZ-0008AO-Ao - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:31:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJgX-00087q-D7 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:31:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJgW-000879-I9 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:31:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeJgW-00086q-Au - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:31:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJi7-0006uV-MG - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:32:43 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9384F3E6; - Fri, 12 May 2006 00:30:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4BMR4tZ007183; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:04 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4BMR4T5007182; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:04 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 12 May 2006 00:27:04 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 May 2006 00:27:04 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -13456,38 +7758,11 @@ Makefile does not qualify? :-) It is NOT the language that is a relic, it is the syntax -- like the semicolons "known" to be the cancer of programming languages. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJmn-000650-9B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:37:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJml-00064b-9f - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:37:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeJmh-00064P-Ks - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:37:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeJmh-00064M-GW - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:37:27 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeJoI-0007Ga-O4 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:39:07 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4BMbMHi010764 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 12 May 2006 00:37:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:39:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Cliff Yapp, axiom-dev +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: Hi Cliff, @@ -13509,41 +7784,12 @@ distributed. Anyway, I would like to see just ONE (perfect) aldor/axiom mode so that people don't have to test different things. That's a waste of time. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeK6S-0005c0-NX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:57:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeK6Q-0005bE-BH - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:57:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeK6P-0005av-TE - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:57:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeK6P-0005aj-Fx - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:57:49 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeK80-0000dI-JD - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:59:29 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4BMvRHi012925 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 12 May 2006 00:57:28 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:58:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello Gaby, @@ -13651,55 +7897,26 @@ But of course, I could live with that identification if it is clearly documented that ()->Cat can be identified with Cat. Where are our category experts? I believe there is a distinction here, n'est pas? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKBW-0007fN-0D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:03:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKBU-0007cc-H6 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:03:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKBT-0007ai-Jq - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:03:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeKBT-0007af-95 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:03:03 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeKD4-0001AV-OC - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:04:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4B4E46B790; - Thu, 11 May 2006 19:03:02 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4E7FB6B78E; - Thu, 11 May 2006 19:03:00 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:02:59 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Emacs + input syntax -Thread-Index: AcZ1SkSXB90kXOasTNi7dW/CSALS1gAASaPw From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:23 PM you wrote: -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > >Can either of you give any objective argument about why > >you prefer to write in a serialized one-dimensional manner, > >encoding nested structures with the bracket (or even a > >parenthesis) notation, instead of using the natural two > >dimensional nature of the display media to express this > >structure more succinctly? ->=20 +> > yep. i can't count what i can't see. i can balance parens > over thousands of lines but i can't balance spaces. parens -> give proper nesting no matter how i mangle the source.=20 +> give proper nesting no matter how i mangle the source. > spaces don't. I have no trouble seeing the visual organization of a few @@ -13722,7 +7939,7 @@ But I do not think this is the case. > try carefully balancing spaces over 5 pages of code (e.g. > large nested conditional statements). one missing space and > the meaning of the program SILENTLY changes. ->=20 +> > my "hack" for doing this is to globally replace spaces > following a newline by a period and count periods. then, > before compiling the program, replace them by spaces. @@ -13745,14 +7962,14 @@ structure she expects rather than what she coded. My solution: use a proper text editor. ->=20 +> > > If not, my label of "linguist prejudice" must surely apply. ->=20 +> > prejudice is pre-judging a decision. > experience is post-judging a decision. > the decision to pile is flawed. > based on experience. ->=20 +> I was amused to see the following headline at @@ -13763,48 +7980,12 @@ http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm Wow, lisp finally beat out Cobol this year! Hooray. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKPa-0007u5-FA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:17:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKPZ-0007tv-Jr - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:17:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKPY-0007tj-EJ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:17:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeKPY-0007tg-B5 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:17:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeKRA-00028P-7s - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:19:16 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EF94F3B8; - Fri, 12 May 2006 01:17:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4BNDatZ007379; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:13:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4BNDarH007378; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:13:36 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 May 2006 01:13:36 +0200 -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -13824,38 +8005,11 @@ not mathematical categories; so.... My practice of functional programming suggests that the identification is useful in many cases, than keeping the artifice. But YMMV. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKo2-0003EH-31 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:42:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKo0-0003Dl-Rd - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:42:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKnz-0003DE-24 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:42:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeKny-0003D9-Oh - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:42:50 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeKpa-0003pe-JK - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:44:30 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4BNglHi016415 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 12 May 2006 01:42:48 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:43:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list On 05/11/2006 11:46 PM, Page, Bill wrote: > On Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:01 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -13930,39 +8084,11 @@ I will fight for braces. ;-) For the command line of Axiom I don't care at the moment, because that is a task for a good user interface. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKvI-0004Ps-9G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKvG-0004PL-Bo - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKvE-0004P0-CW - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeKvE-0004Oq-4t - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:20 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeKwq-0004Kc-1o - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:00 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4BNoGHi016840 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 12 May 2006 01:50:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:50:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax - <87iroc2ut4.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > Perhaps (*) > glue lines with a _ at the end to the next one. (inline s= @@ -13971,48 +8097,16 @@ yntax) ut syntax) > but cut all the others lines. -I hope you also consider an error message of Axiom if the expression is=20 -syntactically incorrect. In that case I would like the axiomacs mode to=20 +I hope you also consider an error message of Axiom if the expression is +syntactically incorrect. In that case I would like the axiomacs mode to jump to the error position (if possible). -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKxX-0004bH-F6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKxW-0004bC-OT - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeKxW-0004b0-8W - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeKxW-0004ax-5R - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeKz8-0004Rx-5F - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:54:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 41BE46AD9C; - Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:41 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 609096AD38; - Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:39 -0400 (EDT) - charset="iso-2022-jp" -Subject: RE: Re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex - domains. Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex - domains. -Thread-Index: AcZ1USBzQFBxMuFHQWuPsdmRT29U7wAAmD/g From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt On Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:14 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -14062,67 +8156,34 @@ Cartesian closed category. I think this identification can be justified from a mathematical point of view. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLJC-0001I3-LD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:15:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLJA-0001Ho-G2 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:15:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLJA-0001HW-14 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:15:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeLJ9-0001HT-Qr - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:15:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeLKm-0005zp-7M - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:16:44 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A991F4F3C4; - Fri, 12 May 2006 02:15:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4C0AwtZ007601; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:10:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4C0AwAD007600; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:10:58 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -Subject: re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex - domains. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 May 2006 02:10:58 +0200 -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Bill Page writes: | On Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:14 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| >=20 +| > | > Ralf Hemmecke writes: -| >=20 +| > | > [...] -| >=20 -| > | But of course, I could live with that identification if it=20 +| > +| > | But of course, I could live with that identification if it | > | is clearly documented that ()->Cat can be identified with Cat. | > | Where are our category experts? I believe there is a distinction | > | here, n'est pas? -| >=20 -| > From Category Theory point of view, a constant x of type T=20 +| > +| > From Category Theory point of view, a constant x of type T | > is the same as the (unique) morphism x : 1 -> T, where 1 is | > the one-point set. -|=20 +| | The relevant object here is the initial object 0 in a complete | Cartesian closed category (CCCC), not the terminal object 1. -Oh well, I should have written=20 +Oh well, I should have written x : tartempion -> T. @@ -14146,10 +8207,10 @@ Indeed. | > Now, I also understand that beyond the name, Aldor's categories | > are not mathematical categories; so... -|=20 +| | I think that is an over statement. There is a considerable | similarity between categories in Aldor and mathematical -| categories.=20 +| categories. Quantify "considerable". @@ -14162,8 +8223,8 @@ That, I believe, is a statement I would like to see more evidence for. | > My practice of functional programming suggests that the | > identification is useful in many cases, than keeping the | > artifice. But YMMV. -| >=20 -|=20 +| > +| | I think this identification can be justified from a mathematical | point of view. @@ -14172,40 +8233,13 @@ too. That is the most important aspect for me. The fact that no one has given proof that Aldor's type system is sound (it most probably isn't) does not prevent you from using it to write useful programs. Sorry if I sound blunt, but I tend to put practice before theory -- -yes, and I do value useful theories :-)=20 - --- Gaby - - +yes, and I do value useful theories :-) \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLQU-0002Js-FD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:22:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLQS-0002In-7C - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:22:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLQP-0002H3-56 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:22:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeLQP-0002Gv-0y - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:22:33 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeLS1-0006My-CR - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:24:13 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4C0MKHi018000 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 12 May 2006 02:22:21 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 02:22:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list Hello Bill, @@ -14259,42 +8293,11 @@ the .as file differently from the .as.nw file. So you have to decide, either you could have "jump to error" or "right indentation" (a must for #pile code). You cannot have both. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLxt-0007eo-VH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:57:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLxr-0007e8-Gd - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:57:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeLxo-0007dh-P6 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:57:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeLxo-0007de-Hw - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:57:04 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeLzQ-0000Mz-MJ - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:58:45 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4C0uwZD026189; - Thu, 11 May 2006 20:56:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AD47F405; - Thu, 11 May 2006 20:56:58 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4C0p3R04703; - Thu, 11 May 2006 20:51:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:51:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - (Bill Page) Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list >I suppose you are arguing that the parens notation contains >some redundant information because it contains matched "begin" @@ -14308,42 +8311,11 @@ Cc: list open your program text in a proportional font editor. parens work. piling doesn't. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeM09-0007ya-73 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:59:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeM06-0007xR-WC - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:59:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeM05-0007wc-G1 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:59:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeM05-0007wZ-Dp - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:59:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeM1i-0000T9-3D - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:06 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4C0xE6U021639; - Thu, 11 May 2006 20:59:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55767F40D; - Thu, 11 May 2006 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4C0rKk04708; - Thu, 11 May 2006 20:53:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:53:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - (Bill Page) Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: list >I suppose you are arguing that the parens notation contains >some redundant information because it contains matched "begin" @@ -14358,78 +8330,27 @@ and if you print it you, even in fixed font, the only way to make sure things line up across pages is with a ruler. double sided pages are more problematic. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeM1y-00016q-Hk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeM1w-00015M-TA - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeM1w-00014F-6f - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeM1w-00014C-1J - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeM3Y-0000a7-OP - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:03:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2A6CD6D7B9; - Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:19 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 821F96D7B3; - Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:17 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:01:16 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Emacs + input syntax -Thread-Index: AcZ1XwU4jkOf9mtBQn62TkqkX5xfOQAAE5tg From: Bill Page -To: Tim Daly, -Cc: +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Tim wrote: > ... > open your program text in a proportional font editor. > parens work. piling doesn't. ->=20 +> ??? Works for me. Spaces are small but fixed in size. But why would you want to use proportional font when editing a program? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeMQ4-0002pQ-Om - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:26:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeMQ3-0002pL-W5 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:26:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeMQ2-0002p9-Bk - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:26:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeMQ2-0002p6-7m - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:26:14 -0400 -Received: from [204.101.248.1] (helo=matrix.start.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeMRf-0002YR-AW - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:27:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (as01-579.user.start.ca [207.35.118.71]) - by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4C1Q14L031065; - Thu, 11 May 2006 21:26:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:32:09 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax - <4463A0EB.2040100@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Ralf, Cliff, @@ -14446,44 +8367,14 @@ I still have the code on my hard drive. I'll send it out to anyone who would like a copy. Perhaps it could be posted on the wiki somewhere. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeMbi-0005BD-Sm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeMbh-00059c-Fj - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeMbg-00058E-G9 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeMbg-000585-DP - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeMdJ-0003DU-EA - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:39:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8101E6D978; - Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:15 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B504D6D961; - Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:12 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:11 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Emacs + input syntax -Thread-Index: AcZ1Yxed3FXe8EgQT5WkFNvgICs9RgAADv+A From: Bill Page -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax On Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:32 PM Stephen Wilson wrote: ->=20 +> > Although I have not participated on this list in some time, > I still read it most days. I really should start contributing > again. @@ -14491,17 +8382,17 @@ On Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:32 PM Stephen Wilson wrote: Yes, please do. I greatly appreciated your comments and previous work on Axiom and Aldor. :) ->=20 +> > On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 10:39:07PM +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> > Another aldor-mode has been written by Stephen Wilson=20 -> > . That is more proper elisp-ish=20 +> > Another aldor-mode has been written by Stephen Wilson +> > . That is more proper elisp-ish > > than mine, but it's not a literate program and I am not > > aware of a place where this is distributed. ->=20 +> > I still have the code on my hard drive. I'll send it out to > anyone who would like a copy. Perhaps it could be posted on > the wiki somewhere. ->=20 +> If you would like help, I would be glad to post it to the @@ -14518,35 +8409,11 @@ If you could also provide some brief descriptive paragraph to go along with it, I think that would be great. I think this aldor-mode is likely of interest to a lot of people. -Cheers, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeNIO-0004P5-If - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:22:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeNIM-0004Ov-3i - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:22:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeNIK-0004Oh-NI - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:22:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeNIK-0004Oe-HK - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:22:20 -0400 -Received: from [204.101.248.1] (helo=matrix.start.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeNJy-0005zs-6t - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:24:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (as01-579.user.start.ca [207.35.118.71]) - by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4C2M7rB015936; - Thu, 11 May 2006 22:22:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:28:15 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson To: Bill Page Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -Cc: axiom-dev Hello Bill, @@ -14581,46 +8448,11 @@ much. I will attempt to regroup and get a sense of direction. OK. I will explore this and upload the code and some sort of description within the next day or two. -Thanks again, -Steve - -> -> Cheers, -> Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeO8p-0005Rx-Ls - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:16:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeO8o-0005Re-80 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:16:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeO8l-0005RS-46 - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:16:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeO8k-0005RP-Uq - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:16:30 -0400 -Received: from [193.124.167.24] (helo=inpbox.inp.nsk.su) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeOAP-0001Gv-1G - for list; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:18:13 -0400 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su ([193.124.167.6]) - by inpbox.inp.nsk.su with esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1FeO8c-00023x-KP; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:16:22 +0700 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C3GMmx031396; - Fri, 12 May 2006 10:16:22 +0700 -Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k4C3GHoK031393; - Fri, 12 May 2006 10:16:22 +0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:16:17 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax - -Cc: list On Fri, 11 May 2006, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Bill Page writes: @@ -14641,44 +8473,12 @@ natural and easy to read. Comparing it with an unreadable perl, I'd say that { } ; are relics from stone age :-) -Andrey - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeUhh-000469-7k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:17:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeUhf-00045O-P0 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:16:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeUhf-000454-3o - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:16:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeUhe-000451-Tc - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:16:58 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeUjN-0003uv-Ix - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:18:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 May 2006 10:16:57 -0000 -Received: from 83-65-215-90.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [83.65.215.90] - by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 12 May 2006 12:16:57 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:17:02 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. - -------------k29Ehy7VyPoFnRSKbQlGXR +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello, @@ -14757,7 +8557,7 @@ But maybe I do not want to hide those things for whatever reasons? Additionally, from a language (not compiler!) point of view, I would = consider -Dom( Param ): Cat =3D=3D add { ... } +Dom( Param ): Cat == add { ... } a function. A function of type Param -> Cat whose value is add { ... }. Nothing else. Just a plain function -- nothing special about it. @@ -14817,61 +8617,12 @@ I would not. In a fully typed system, I would not be happy with a thing = having two types. --- -Kind regards, -Christian -------------k29Ehy7VyPoFnRSKbQlGXR - -I2luY2x1ZGUgImFsZG9yIgoKI2lmIFVTVUFMU1lOVEFYCkRvbSggYTogSW50ZWdl -ciApOiB3aXRoIHsgCiAgICBmOiAoKSAtPiBJbnRlZ2VyCn0gPT0gYWRkIHsKICAg -IGYoKTogSW50ZWdlciA9PSB7IG5leHQgYSB9Owp9CiNlbHNlCm1hY3JvIFRBUkdF -VCA9PSB3aXRoIHsgCiAgICBmOiAoKSAtPiBJbnRlZ2VyOwp9CgpEb21WYXI6IElu -dGVnZXIgLT4gVEFSR0VUIDo9ICggYTogSW50ZWdlciApOiBUQVJHRVQgKy0+IGFk -ZCB7CiAgICBmKCk6IEludGVnZXIgPT0geyBuZXh0IGEgfTsKfTsKRG9tID09IERv -bVZhcjsKI2VuZGlmCgppbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBJbnRlZ2VyOwppbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBE -b20oMCk7CmltcG9ydCBmcm9tIFRleHRXcml0ZXIsIENoYXJhY3RlcjsKc3Rkb3V0 -IDw8IGYoKSA8PCBuZXdsaW5lOwo= - -------------k29Ehy7VyPoFnRSKbQlGXR-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeWbe-0005yF-P4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:18:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeWbc-0005vm-Gm - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:18:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeWba-0005tH-1G - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:18:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeWbZ-0005sr-P3 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:18:49 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FeWdI-0007Su-5w - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:20:36 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4CCIaHi008750 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 12 May 2006 14:18:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Christian, @@ -14926,37 +8677,11 @@ Dom 0: 1107506637 1 #endif - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeYPq-0000tk-Hr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:14:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeYPo-0000s0-DW - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:14:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeYPl-0000qh-Uc - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:14:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeYPl-0000qc-Pn - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:14:45 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.192] (helo=web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeYRV-0002Kf-Tz - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:16:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 82885 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2006 14:12:52 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=JVjuoQu6tw9nZCWM4B6cg3btes/wkffN4ibIVoKnKbDJOycI1CslU/x9utUtk8/eSSQ25Yeo8Wt6wwlMn8vuBfGcRrM9+pWHwG7F8hh58IZ2RbOZNgO0L4Ihb4DXquGjHWLF70E8lkXHG57YWryt7blI6DFDSEY5Klx851G2EKU= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 12 May 2006 07:12:52 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax To: Ralf Hemmecke, Francois Maltey -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Emacs + input syntax --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -14992,44 +8717,11 @@ The best thing for something like this is to provide some examples I can use as test cases, but unfortunately I can't promise a quick response :-/. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeYlK-0004bt-Cj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeYlI-0004b7-Bv - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeYlH-0004aA-LZ - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:36:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeYlH-0004Zu-DK - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:36:59 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.184] (helo=web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeYn1-0004ny-NN - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:38:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3821 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2006 14:36:58 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=r/dIcnLpmdjn3ON7vodTGjyELrh2DPYDgEF8pQoAzYJYYdnXbjWTRwW/p30QQH4796rjJauPfmdn0jsM+8BdKJaTNIqvZljyfabbr5C+VwZcux0DQT30lHeJaeef4zmF2/TSy4qhKz9xJWroU++KZ5P8RCXPL6djrCy+9goM+5E= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 12 May 2006 07:36:57 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -15155,95 +8814,28 @@ significant. The latest and greatest is here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAxiomEmacsMode -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZkz-0007iI-0F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:40:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZkx-0007gm-13 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:40:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZkv-0007g1-Bf - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:40:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZku-0007fv-QZ - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:40:41 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.29] (helo=smtp2.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeZmf-0002BB-T4 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:42:30 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0212.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E3C2E1C0020D - for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:40:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-48-214.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-48-214.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.202.214]) - by mwinf0212.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74F7B1C00207; - Fri, 12 May 2006 17:40:37 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <4463A0EB.2040100@hemmecke.de> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:41:12 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax Hi, Le jeudi 11 mai 2006 =E0 22:39 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke a =E9crit : -> I don't lknow whether you are aware of my aldor-mode=20 +> I don't lknow whether you are aware of my aldor-mode > (http://www.hemmecke.de/aldor) and whether it could be relevant for wha= -t=20 +t > you are trying to achieve. (It's a noweb file...) For information a lot of links on the "Emacs Support for Aldor" page are incorrect... - -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZmC-0000DW-Lh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:42:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZmA-0000C0-OW - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:41:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZm9-0000Ba-7j - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:41:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZm9-0000BX-48 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:41:57 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=smtp3.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeZnu-0002GK-7u - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:43:46 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0306.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DB04A1C0033B - for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:41:55 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-48-214.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-48-214.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.202.214]) - by mwinf0306.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 56B2E1C00325; - Fri, 12 May 2006 17:41:55 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Timothy Daly Tim Daly Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:42:29 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: PATCH: #291 small typo in docs Hi, @@ -15269,78 +8861,19 @@ This fraction could be converted to type {\tt Integer} with no loss of {\bf coercions} are applied automatically by the interpreter) the result to type {\tt Float} using the ``::'' operator as follows: -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZvD-0004YA-Rq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:51:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZvC-0004XZ-7m - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:51:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FeZvA-0004WV-Iq - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeZvA-0004WO-Ah - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:51:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeZwv-0002tG-G7 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:53:05 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4CFp7Rl022966; - Fri, 12 May 2006 11:51:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1147F40D; - Fri, 12 May 2006 11:51:07 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4CFjDU05423; - Fri, 12 May 2006 11:45:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:45:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 12 May 2006 17:42:29 +0200) -Cc: list Subject: Re: PATCH: #291 small typo in docs patch applied. available in the next release -- t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Feay3-0004TY-JO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:58:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Feay1-0004Sw-QC - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:58:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Feay1-0004SF-48 - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:58:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Feay0-0004SB-NC - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:58:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Feazm-0000xE-JP - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:00:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692DC4F3C0; - Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.61) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1Feaxw-0001db-QA; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:13 +0200 +Date: 12 May 2006 18:58:12 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Cliff Yapp, Francois Maltey Subject: Re: Emacs updates, fixes -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 12 May 2006 18:58:12 +0200 -Cc: list Hello, @@ -15351,27 +8884,27 @@ You correct main bugs. The display is much better. Even if you rewrite arrows functions there are others cursor command, as [meta >], [meta <], [ctrl N], [ctrl F]. -// 1 //=20 +// 1 // The first axiom-output before (1) -> isn't write-protect. You may write-protect it. -// 2 //=20 +// 2 // Can you detect the real pair (input-command, output-command) ? -So I test=20 +So I test [axiom-mode] 123 [return] [key up] the cursor is on 123 999 [return] -I get=20 +I get (1) -> 999123 [result] (2) 999123 (3) -> [input line] [result] (1) 123 -(2) ->=20 +(2) -> -Is it possible to get=20 +Is it possible to get (1) -> 123 [the old input] [result] (1) 123 [the old result] (2) -> 999123 [the corrected input, with the good prompt] @@ -15382,7 +8915,7 @@ Remember the real input (123 before modification) is possible if every input is put in a property of a read-only text, by example in the prompt : -(put-text-property [beginning-of-the-prompt] [end-of-the-prompt]=20 +(put-text-property [beginning-of-the-prompt] [end-of-the-prompt] 'data-for-axiom "the-string 1+23") When you want to recall the initial display you get it by @@ -15400,59 +8933,32 @@ the input area inside the prior calculus. // 4 // You disallow the selection of output-data. A great idea. -So the [return] key must do nothing when you aren't between a prompt=20 +So the [return] key must do nothing when you aren't between a prompt (n) -> and an empty-line. (or over read-only area) -But :=20 +But : [axiom-mode] 123 [return] -[ctrl-p]=20 -Then the cursor is inside the last line (Type: PositiveInteger)=20 -and the return key accept it.=20 +[ctrl-p] +Then the cursor is inside the last line (Type: PositiveInteger) +and the return key accept it. Axiom-mode may reject a command copyed from this output area. -// 5 //=20 +// 5 // I don't understand the aim of the sit-for functions. Are they necessary ? -In my emacs programs (for mupad), sit-for allows recursive calls during=20 +In my emacs programs (for mupad), sit-for allows recursive calls during inserting results and I get currious error. // 6 // -Must I get the same result=20 +Must I get the same result with commint-mode / commint-run / axiom and axiom-mode ? -Fran=C3=A7ois - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FefBg-00049s-Cc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:28:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FefBe-000491-FJ - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:28:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FefBb-00048l-Rt - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:28:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FefBb-00048i-MX - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:28:35 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.193] (helo=web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FefDQ-0002rh-7l - for list; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:30:28 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12227 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2006 21:28:34 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Qk8rKz/E8Au0LSEBTGEVVx6mm1jK/8eyRy42ackVK6scGeudhl8dWSd1ji+sPOaasAhxG+DZqNKwOYL+oLoUi+xBiioiudi92KMJSLzFUSq4AA0JFa+5Xq9mMMtB1E6mfJo/vN2huyo43e0w6LoAg2CTD8gfky+E24w/HHu2adQ= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 12 May 2006 14:28:34 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Emacs updates, fixes To: Francois Maltey -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Emacs updates, fixes --- Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -15614,43 +9120,11 @@ Um - what were you hoping for? Do you mean you WANT the same result? I can link axiom and axiom-mode together perhaps, but comint-mode is a separate mode altogether and is used by more than just Axiom. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fevz0-0007aR-HZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:24:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fevyz-0007a3-Bv - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:24:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fevyv-0007Zg-NJ - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:24:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fevyv-0007Zd-J5 - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:24:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Few0u-0000pz-Ne - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:26:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F7E40E2A; - Sat, 13 May 2006 17:24:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.61) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1Fevys-0001VA-RP; Sat, 13 May 2006 17:24:35 +0200 +Date: 13 May 2006 17:24:34 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Emacs updates, fixes -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 13 May 2006 17:24:34 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -15752,36 +9226,11 @@ You make a really big work. Continue to send new versions, I try to understand axiom-mode.el with the diff command. -Francois - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FezLX-0007wk-3O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:00:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FezLV-0007wE-DE - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:00:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FezLU-0007vu-8r - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:00:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FezLU-0007vr-3s - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:00:08 -0400 -Received: from [204.101.248.1] (helo=matrix.start.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FezNV-0001AS-Cb - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:02:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (as01-642.user.start.ca [207.35.118.134]) - by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4DIxtGO010027; - Sat, 13 May 2006 14:59:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:06:02 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax - <20060512141812.23293.qmail@web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -Cc: axiom-dev - On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 07:18:12AM -0700, C Y wrote: > Yes please! Would it be OK to incorporate it/build off of it in a GPL @@ -15793,41 +9242,11 @@ questions about it feel free to ask. I just created a new page `AldorInEmacs' on the wiki which contains a link to the code. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ff32k-00018v-2L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:57:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ff32i-00018q-Dc - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:57:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ff32e-00018b-RR - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:56:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff32e-00018Y-Na - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:56:56 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.190] (helo=web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ff34i-0008EV-0k - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:59:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 49109 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2006 22:56:55 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=b14Utee2HaGe0lCvoIwMRYXYCeHofMrYZucyP3aRSgNMe8LHo+sx2ipcBJ+ihXGNypwhU2LcY1gUhJQ0lxjhgAK5ZKlDCc5Rw/TK3wSWghfLUEfTmHpICgZgTHjTOWW04mmYBM76akQCxx08YJKQ1kK0PMiP97HU9/uIL6T/T7g= - ; -Received: from [68.82.182.25] by web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 13 May 2006 15:56:55 PDT Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Emacs updates, fixes To: Francois Maltey -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Emacs updates, fixes --- Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -15956,123 +9375,46 @@ far. I can feel the "literate" quality of this code getting away from me as things like the eval command expand in size, so I need to put the brakes on and get it back under control. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ff4mi-00049f-An - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:48:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ff4mg-00049Z-PH - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:48:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ff4me-00049N-6v - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:48:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ff4me-00049K-2q - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:48:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ff4oi-0003li-HP - for list; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:50:40 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4249940E26; - Sun, 14 May 2006 02:48:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4E0iMtZ025413; Sun, 14 May 2006 02:44:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4E0iMIf025412; Sun, 14 May 2006 02:44:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 May 2006 02:44:22 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: PATCH: #291 small typo in docs Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hi, -|=20 -|=20 +| +| | Here is the patch (author unknown): In the silver branch as of revision 37. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfKxh-0005lo-JX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfKxg-0005lj-PL - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfKxf-0005ky-2y - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfKxe-0005kv-UI - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:04:58 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfKzt-00075f-97 - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:07:17 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 May 2006 18:04:54 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-75-22.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.75.22] - by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 14 May 2006 20:04:54 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:04:51 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. - -------------HVHfcLlAbYoe66mqf1ZZrF +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello, -On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:19 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wro= -te: +On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:19 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Maybe it is possible to instantiate Dom(0) twice. -you will probably not have any luck with 0. It is too small. But what = - +you will probably not have any luck with 0. It is too small. But what about 1073741824? -For those who cannot convert dec to hex on the fly: "But what about = - +For those who cannot convert dec to hex on the fly: "But what about 0x40000000?" :) -The upcoming part is not clearly an example in favor of Ralf's requireme= -nt. +The upcoming part is not clearly an example in favor of Ralf's requirement. However, it is pretty close and shows some nasty things. -I do not understand how these things work, so anybody having _any_ = - +I do not understand how these things work, so anybody having _any_ information on this, please share. (Hopefully, I did not make an obvious mistake in the code again ...) -Executing the compiled test2.as (I attached this test2.as to the mail), = -I = - +Executing the compiled test2.as (I attached this test2.as to the mail), I get: (i)Domain ( param : 1073741824) -- r: 336495754 @@ -16086,83 +9428,58 @@ a : 336495754 b : 2058543685 (You will most likely get different numbers) -Since the code is not too straight forward, let me explain what happens.= - +Since the code is not too straight forward, let me explain what happens. (i)Domain ( param : 1073741824) -- r: 336495754 (i)(d)(i)Domain ( param : 1073741824) -- r: 2058543685 -We get two different (see the different r) instantiations of Dom, both = - +We get two different (see the different r) instantiations of Dom, both with the parameter "param" being 1073741824. -If now you are thinking that this behaviour is obvious, as the parameter= - = - -"param" is computed two times and is therefore stored two times, then yo= -u = - +If now you are thinking that this behaviour is obvious, as the parameter +"param" is computed two times and is therefore stored two times, then you are right. -They are two different representations for the same number. No doubt. (W= -e = - -could discuss what "functional" really means in the context of data = - -representations. But I guess its ok to get different instantiations for = - = - +They are two different representations for the same number. No doubt. (We +could discuss what "functional" really means in the context of data +representations. But I guess its ok to get different instantiations for different representations of the same number) -So the two parameters are equivalent (they store the same number), but n= -ot = - -equal (they store the information differently--at least at different = - +So the two parameters are equivalent (they store the same number), but not +equal (they store the information differently--at least at different positions in memory). -However, Aldor *magically* knows something, about 1073741824 and its = - +However, Aldor *magically* knows something, about 1073741824 and its representations. Why? Because of the lines: a : 336495754 b : 2058543685 -For these lines, 1073741824 is derived again in two different forms. = - -However, no new instantiation of Dom is made. So we have four equivalent= -, = - -but different representations and Aldor "knows" that two of them are = - +For these lines, 1073741824 is derived again in two different forms. +However, no new instantiation of Dom is made. So we have four equivalent, +but different representations and Aldor "knows" that two of them are equivalent. Aldor "knows" that "a" is equivalent to the first inc NUM. Aldor "knows" that "b" is equivalent to the first inc dec inc NUM. -We are tempted to think that this is some effect from recycling or = - +We are tempted to think that this is some effect from recycling or preinitializing the constants. But I oppose by referring to the lines ---- (i)(i)(d)(i) ---- -. There, the increase and decrease functions are called again in order t= -o = - +. There, the increase and decrease functions are called again in order to actually compute the values again. Does not look like reusing values to me. How to explain this behaviour? I am not sure. -However, recollecting what Manuel told me, the use of caching might = - +However, recollecting what Manuel told me, the use of caching might explain things a bit. But maybe its just some caching on BInt? -Do BInts have a sense for history? -- This would explain the whole thing= -. +Do BInts have a sense for history? -- This would explain the whole thing. Some further remarks: -Try to introduce a third representation of 1073741824 and the compiler = - +Try to introduce a third representation of 1073741824 and the compiler produces segfaulting code. For example: Add @@ -16170,9 +9487,7 @@ stdout << "inc inc dec : " << f()$Dom( inc inc dec NUM ) << newline; or stdout << "1073741824 : " << f()$Dom( 1073741824 ) << newline; -Since I am somehow puzzled but the whole thing, I would like to close th= -is = - +Since I am somehow puzzled but the whole thing, I would like to close this mail by a big questionmark. **** @@ -16186,88 +9501,14 @@ mail by a big questionmark. ** ** --- -Kind regards, -Christian -------------HVHfcLlAbYoe66mqf1ZZrF - -I2luY2x1ZGUgImFsZG9yIgppbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBJbnRlZ2VyOwppbXBvcnQgZnJv -bSBNYWNoaW5lSW50ZWdlcjsKaW1wb3J0IGZyb20gVGV4dFdyaXRlciwgU3RyaW5n -LCBDaGFyYWN0ZXI7CiAKRG9tKCBwYXJhbTogSW50ZWdlciApOiB3aXRoIHsKICAg -IGY6ICgpIC0+IEludGVnZXIKfSA9PSB7CglpbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBSYW5kb21OdW1i -ZXJHZW5lcmF0b3I7Cglsb2NhbCByOiBJbnRlZ2VyIDo9IHJhbmRvbUludGVnZXIo -KSA6OiBJbnRlZ2VyOwoJc3Rkb3V0IDw8ICJEb21haW4gKCBwYXJhbSA6ICIgPDwg -cGFyYW0gPDwgIikgLS0gcjogIiA8PCByIDw8IG5ld2xpbmU7CQoJYWRkIHsKICAg -ICAgICAgICAgLS1mIHlpZWxkcyBhIGRvbWFpbidzIHIKCSAgICBmKCk6IEludGVn -ZXIgPT0geyByIH0KCX0KfQoKLS1sb2NhbCBmdW5jdGlvbiB3cmFwcGluZyAibmV4 -dCIgdG8gcmVwb3J0IAotLXRoYXQgbmV4dCBpcyBhY3V0YWxseSBjYWxsZWQgYW5k -IChob3BlZnVsbHkpIAotLW5vIGlubGluaW5nIHNob3J0Y3V0cyBjYXVzZSBlZmZl -Y3RzCmluYyggYTogSW50ZWdlciApOkludGVnZXIgPT0gewogICAgc3Rkb3V0IDw8 -ICIoaSkiOwogICAgbmV4dCBhOwp9CgotLWxvY2FsIGZ1bmN0aW9uIHdyYXBwaW5n -ICJwcmV2IiAoc2VlIGluYykKZGVjKCBhOiBJbnRlZ2VyICk6SW50ZWdlciA9PSB7 -CiAgICBzdGRvdXQgPDwgIihkKSI7CiAgICBwcmV2IGE7Cn0KCgotLVRoaXMgaXMg -dGhlIGxvd2VzdCBwb3NpdGl2ZSBudW1iZXIsIGZvciB3aGljaCB0aGUgZGVtbyB3 -b3Jrcy4gSGlnaGVyIG51bWJlcnMgc2hvdWxkIHdvcmsgYXMgd2VsbC4KbWFjcm8g -TlVNID09ICggbWF4OjpJbnRlZ2VyIHF1byAyICk7CgoKc3Rkb3V0IDw8ICJpbmMg -ICAgICAgICAgICA6ICIgPDwgZigpJERvbSggaW5jIE5VTSApIDw8IG5ld2xpbmU7 -CnN0ZG91dCA8PCAiaW5jIGRlYyBpbmMgICAgOiAiIDw8IGYoKSREb20oIGluYyBk -ZWMgaW5jIE5VTSApIDw8IG5ld2xpbmU7CgotLXJlY29tcHV0aW5nIHRoZSB2YWx1 -ZXMuCi0tdXNpbmcgY29uc3RhbnRzLCBzaW5jZSBhIGFuZCBiIGFyZSAKLS11c2Vk -IGFzIGRvbWFpbiBwYXJhbWV0ZXJzCnN0ZG91dCA8PCAiLS0tLSIgPDwgbmV3bGlu -ZTsKbG9jYWwgYSA9PSBpbmMgTlVNOwpsb2NhbCBiID09IGluYyBkZWMgaW5jIE5V -TTsKc3Rkb3V0IDw8IG5ld2xpbmU7CnN0ZG91dCA8PCAiLS0tLSIgPDwgbmV3bGlu -ZTsKCgpzdGRvdXQgPDwgImEgICAgICAgICAgICAgIDogIjsgc3Rkb3V0IDw8IGYo -KSREb20oYSk7IHN0ZG91dCA8PCBuZXdsaW5lOwpzdGRvdXQgPDwgImIgICAgICAg -ICAgICAgIDogIjsgc3Rkb3V0IDw8IGYoKSREb20oYik7IHN0ZG91dCA8PCBuZXds -aW5lOwoK -------------HVHfcLlAbYoe66mqf1ZZrF-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfLpI-0005FB-NK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:00:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfLpG-0005DU-UL - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:00:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfLpG-0005DI-11 - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:00:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfLpF-0005DF-VB - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:00:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfLrV-0002wN-3S - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:02:41 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB54F3CB; - Sun, 14 May 2006 21:00:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4EIuAtZ029105; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:56:10 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4EIuAdQ029104; Sun, 14 May 2006 20:56:10 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 May 2006 20:56:09 +0200 -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt -"Christian Aistleitner" writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: [...] @@ -16283,41 +9524,12 @@ clearly what they are useful for, with clear examples. Explain also how one reasons with such type system, how one writes relaible program with such a type system. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfS1A-0006Jg-CL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:37:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfS18-0006Il-19 - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:37:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfS16-0006Hy-JW - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:37:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfS16-0006Hl-A2 - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:37:00 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FfS3H-0003Z2-GB - for list; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:39:18 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4F1aDHi018591 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 15 May 2006 03:36:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 03:36:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner > Please, guys explain clearly you're after. @@ -16385,51 +9597,12 @@ implementation of AldorInteger. One might get different results on 32 and 64 bit machines. It's already interesting that one has to take quite big integers to make a and b into "different" things. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfV4J-0002gj-7r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:52:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfV4H-0002gb-Nq - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:52:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfV4F-0002fV-Rb - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:52:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfV4F-0002fS-Mp - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:52:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfUhJ-0007i2-Vg - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:28:46 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D7C4F3C7; - Mon, 15 May 2006 06:26:07 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4F4LqtZ000629; Mon, 15 May 2006 06:21:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4F4LqXY000628; Mon, 15 May 2006 06:21:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 May 2006 06:21:52 +0200 -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner Ralf -- @@ -16438,40 +9611,11 @@ Ralf -- better Christian's. Now, I think I see what he was getting at. Thanks. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffb6Y-0004Ks-9Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:19:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffb6V-0004Jg-Us - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:19:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffb6S-0004I0-4R - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:19:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffb6R-0004Hw-S6 - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:19:07 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Ffb8q-0005FO-Go - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 07:21:36 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.165.39] (dyn165039.wlan.jku.at [140.78.165.39]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4FBJ5Hi015421 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 15 May 2006 13:19:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:19:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: re: Emacs + input syntax - <4463A0EB.2040100@hemmecke.de> - <1147448472.5087.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev Thank you Greg, @@ -16481,92 +9625,43 @@ Ralf On 05/12/2006 05:41 PM, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > Hi, ->=20 +> > Le jeudi 11 mai 2006 =E0 22:39 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke a =E9crit : ->=20 ->> I don't lknow whether you are aware of my aldor-mode=20 ->> (http://www.hemmecke.de/aldor) and whether it could be relevant for wh= -at=20 +> +>> I don't lknow whether you are aware of my aldor-mode +>> (http://www.hemmecke.de/aldor) and whether it could be relevant for what >> you are trying to achieve. (It's a noweb file...) ->=20 -> For information a lot of links on the "Emacs Support for Aldor" page ar= -e +> +> For information a lot of links on the "Emacs Support for Aldor" page are > incorrect... ->=20 ->=20 -> Cheers, ->=20 -> Greg ->=20 - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfeWb-0005BQ-2r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:58:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfeWZ-0005Av-UM - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:58:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfeWV-00058X-3K - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:58:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfeWU-00058P-VA - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:58:15 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfeYv-0006qq-GW - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:00:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 May 2006 14:58:13 -0000 -Received: from 83-65-215-171.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [83.65.215.171] - by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 15 May 2006 16:58:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:58:13 +0200 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello Gaby, -On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:56:09 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis = - +On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:56:09 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > If you're after a non-functional type system, -I think, we all agree that for any programming language, it is good to = - +I think, we all agree that for any programming language, it is good to have _non_ functional functions. Just think about a system call time() behaving functional. -Besides, I am looking for a language, where same formalisms are treated = -in = - +Besides, I am looking for a language, where same formalisms are treated in the same way. For example all functions should be treated equal. -If one function is allowed to behave non-functional, all functions shoul= -d = - +If one function is allowed to behave non-functional, all functions should be allowed to do so. -I'd like to model parametric categories and parametric domains by = - +I'd like to model parametric categories and parametric domains by functions, as I described before -- it just seems natural. -Since there are non-functional functions, I'd allow all functions to be = - = - +Since there are non-functional functions, I'd allow all functions to be non-functional. So finally, I am maybe after a non-functional type system. @@ -16574,15 +9669,14 @@ So finally, I am maybe after a non-functional type system. > please explain > clearly what they are useful for, with clear examples. -My previous examples in this directlions were probably not explicit enou= -gh: +My previous examples in this directlions were probably not explicit enough: System(): with { timestamp: Integer; cpuTemperature: Integer; -} =3D=3D add { - timestamp: Integer =3D=3D { obtain the timestamp somehow } - cpuTemperature: Integer =3D=3D { obtain the timestamp somehow } +} == add { + timestamp: Integer == { obtain the timestamp somehow } + cpuTemperature: Integer == { obtain the timestamp somehow } } Of course, you can rewrite it to @@ -16591,70 +9685,47 @@ System: with { grabData: () -> % timestamp: % -> Integer; cpuTemperature: % -> Integer; -} =3D=3D add { - macro Rep =3D=3D Record( ts: Integer, temp: Integer ); - - grabData(): % =3D=3D { - per record( obtain the timestamp somehow, obtain the temperature = +} == add { + macro Rep == Record( ts: Integer, temp: Integer ); + grabData(): % == { + per record( obtain the timestamp somehow, obtain the temperature somehow ); } - timestamp( a: % ): Integer =3D=3D { (rep a) . ts; }; - cpuTemperature( a: % ): Integer =3D=3D { (rep a) . temp; }; + timestamp( a: % ): Integer == { (rep a) . ts; }; + cpuTemperature( a: % ): Integer == { (rep a) . temp; }; } -, but would that be better? The latter version is the one we are more us= -ed = - +, but would that be better? The latter version is the one we are more used to, but is it really better? -To determine the given temperature and timestamp for the system involves= - 1 = - -Function call for non functional Domains and 3 for functional Domains. - -Of course, you can do a lot of rewriting tricks to say "non functionalit= -y" = - -is not needed. -Of course, you can introduce a lot of "this is bad design" axioms to say= - = - -"non functionality" is not needed. - -But I think, non functionality would not be the baddest thing in the wor= -ld. -As I said before, to me it looks like the compiler behaves non-functiona= -l, = - -but uses fancy techniques to get functionality, wherever "this might me = - = - -nice". I am sorry that I cannot give a more precise definition, since I = -do = - -not have access to the compiler sources. - -But consider, we had a completely non functional Aldor compiler (which w= -e = +To determine the given temperature and timestamp for the system involves 1 +Function call for non functional Domains and 3 for functional Domains. -do not have). Would this compiler really lead to problems. I suppose not= -. = +Of course, you can do a lot of rewriting tricks to say "non functionality" +is not needed. +Of course, you can introduce a lot of "this is bad design" axioms to say +"non functionality" is not needed. -Because in most cases, we have the types of interest in a constant form = - = +But I think, non functionality would not be the baddest thing in the world. +As I said before, to me it looks like the compiler behaves non-functional, +but uses fancy techniques to get functionality, wherever "this might me +nice". I am sorry that I cannot give a more precise definition, since I do +not have access to the compiler sources. +But consider, we had a completely non functional Aldor compiler (which we +do not have). Would this compiler really lead to problems. I suppose not. +Because in most cases, we have the types of interest in a constant form (e.g.: as parameter to a domain) and do not have to instantiate at all. -For example re-consider the SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer example = - +For example re-consider the SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer example from Ralf http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2006-May/000198.html Ralf> Surely, it would sound strange if I say: Ralf> -Ralf> a: SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer :=3D ... -Ralf> b: SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer :=3D ... +Ralf> a: SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer := ... +Ralf> b: SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer := ... Ralf> Ralf> and the compiler would reject Ralf> @@ -16662,113 +9733,55 @@ Ralf> a + b Ralf> Ralf> because it could not figure out that a and b are of the same type -What Ralf wanted to have is that the two invokations of = - +What Ralf wanted to have is that the two invokations of SparseUnivariatePolynomial refer to the same value. -For several reasons, it is important to tell the compiler everything you= - = - -know about your code. But Ralf did not. If he would, the code would look= - = - +For several reasons, it is important to tell the compiler everything you +know about your code. But Ralf did not. If he would, the code would look like: -Poly =3D=3D SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer -a: Poly :=3D ... -b: Poly :=3D ... +Poly == SparseUnivariatePolynomial Integer +a: Poly := ... +b: Poly := ... and of course, the compiler would correctly recognize the + in a+b -Furthermore, I the two approaches (functionality and non-functionality) = - = - +Furthermore, I the two approaches (functionality and non-functionality) are not completely different. -A functional type system can be used to "simulate" a non-functional one = -by = - +A functional type system can be used to "simulate" a non-functional one by adding the current time as parameter. E.g.: -List( T: Type, timestamp: Integer =3D=3D getCurrentTimestamp() ): with {= - +List( T: Type, timestamp: Integer == getCurrentTimestamp() ): with { ... -} =3D=3D add { +} == add { } -So, calling List( Integer ) twice gives two different Instances, as the = - = - +So, calling List( Integer ) twice gives two different Instances, as the timestamp changed. -A non-functional type system can be used as a functional one by using = - +A non-functional type system can be used as a functional one by using constants. -ListInteger =3D=3D List( Integer ); -local a: ListInteger :=3D empty$ListInteger; -local b: ListInteger :=3D (insert!$ListInteger)( ... ); +ListInteger == List( Integer ); +local a: ListInteger := empty$ListInteger; +local b: ListInteger := (insert!$ListInteger)( ... ); So you can get more or less the same behaviour ... If you want to. > Explain also -> how one reasons with such type system, how one writes relaible program= - +> how one reasons with such type system, how one writes relaible program > with such a type system. -Could you give an example in the functional world of what you mean by = - +Could you give an example in the functional world of what you mean by "reason"? --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fffdr-0002E0-9o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:09:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fffdp-0002DG-Pv - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:09:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fffdn-0002Bh-53 - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:09:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fffdm-0002BV-PY - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:09:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FffgE-0004VK-6f - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:12:22 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CC74F3C4; - Mon, 15 May 2006 18:09:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k4FG5TtZ003063; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:05:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k4FG5TO7003062; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:05:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 May 2006 18:05:29 +0200 -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt -"Christian Aistleitner" writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: | Hello Gaby, | @@ -16892,41 +9905,12 @@ By "reason", I meant essentially proof as in. If I do not have a functional type system, how am I supposed to do "separate compilation"? How am I supposed to do calls? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FflpU-0002Um-Kd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:46:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FflpT-0002UR-Gz - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:46:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FflpS-0002Tp-R9 - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:46:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FflpS-0002Te-Ml - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:46:18 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fflrx-0005Jt-JV - for list; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:48:53 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4FMjkHi030511 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 16 May 2006 00:45:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:35:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner > | System(): with { > | timestamp: Integer; @@ -17005,8 +9989,7 @@ Cat2(R: Sometype): Category == with {...} is equivalent to -Cat2: (R: SomeType) -> Category == - (R: SomeType): Category +-> with {...} +Cat2: (R: SomeType) -> Category = (R: SomeType): Category +-> with {...} Again Cat2 is a constant. Also fine. @@ -17039,46 +10022,12 @@ But it has to be discussed what "equality of arguments" actually means in order to be able to speak about the functionality property, since not every type exports "=: (%, %) -> %". -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffuha-0006kH-4M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:14:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfuhY-0006jG-CB - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:14:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfuhW-0006ib-OZ - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:14:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfuhW-0006iW-I8 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:14:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ffuk7-0006BL-FP - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:17:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4G8Dbpj012279; - Tue, 16 May 2006 10:13:42 +0200 (CEST) -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 May 2006 10:13:17 +0200 -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner Dear all, @@ -17118,304 +10067,156 @@ I'd be interested to find something about this in the documentation. I'd leave it unspecified. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffwcw-00047s-L6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffwcu-00047g-G7 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffwct-00047H-Pd - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffwct-00047D-K8 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:03 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfwfV-00030n-Lu - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:20:46 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 May 2006 10:10:23 -0000 -Received: from 85-126-38-163.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.126.38.163] - by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 16 May 2006 12:10:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:09:52 +0200 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. - -------------Ku392vERVNCFZTg8ZBTYkT +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello, > I'm > converned with the type system. > -> The type system allows for checking that expectations of functions are= - +> The type system allows for checking that expectations of functions are > met by their arguments. That checking, and reasoning in general, > requires that we can replace equals for equals. If I defined a -> function with a given type (the type is evaluated to some type value),= - an +> function with a given type (the type is evaluated to some type value), an > later defined a variable or value of the same type (but this time, it > gets evaluated to another type value), how can I even call the > function with that variable? And if the system let me do it, how can > I prove that the call and the result are sound? -I designed the some really bad case for functional type systems and = - -implemented it assuming Aldor would be functional (function.as) and = - +I designed the some really bad case for functional type systems and +implemented it assuming Aldor would be functional (function.as) and assuming it is not functional (not_functional.as). -I do not see any problems with reasoning in both examples. As I already = - = - +I do not see any problems with reasoning in both examples. As I already explained in my previous mail: You can use a functional type system to simulate a non functional one. -And you claim it is possible to reason in a functional type system (whic= -h = - +And you claim it is possible to reason in a functional type system (which I do not doubt). -So, using your method of reasoning and my method of expressing non = - -functionality by a functional type system allows you to reason in a non = - = - +So, using your method of reasoning and my method of expressing non +functionality by a functional type system allows you to reason in a non functional type system. -You can reason in a system with List( Integer ) and List( Character ) = - -being different. So it should not be a problem to reason in a system wit= -h = - +You can reason in a system with List( Integer ) and List( Character ) +being different. So it should not be a problem to reason in a system with List( Integer, timestamp ) and List( Integer, different timestamp ). -> | Besides, I am looking for a language, where same formalisms are = - +> | Besides, I am looking for a language, where same formalisms are > treated in > | the same way. > | For example all functions should be treated equal. > > The troubel is terms and types are generally of the "kind". -Sorry, but I am not familiar with the word "term" in this context. You = - -probably do not mean terms as used for polynomials and probably also not= - = - +Sorry, but I am not familiar with the word "term" in this context. You +probably do not mean terms as used for polynomials and probably also not term as in "mathematical expression" or as used in formal grammars. -Since large parts of your mail deal with "term" I'd better postpone the = - = - +Since large parts of your mail deal with "term" I'd better postpone the rest of my answer until I understand what you mean by "term". --- -Kind regards, -Christian -------------Ku392vERVNCFZTg8ZBTYkT - -I2luY2x1ZGUgImFsZG9yIgoKRG9tQSggVDogVHlwZSwgTGlzdFQ6IExpc3RUeXBl -IFQgKTogd2l0aCB7IAogICAgZjogVCAtPiBMaXN0VDsKfSA9PSBhZGQgewogICAg -ZiggYTogVCApOiBMaXN0VCA9PSB7IFsgYSBdIH07Cn0KCkRvbUIoIFQ6IFR5cGUs -IExpc3RUOiBMaXN0VHlwZSBUICk6IHdpdGggeyAKICAgIGc6IFQgLT4gTGlzdFQ7 -Cn0gPT0gYWRkIHsKICAgIGcoIGE6IFQgKTogTGlzdFQgPT0geyBbIGEsIGEgXSB9 -Owp9CgoKTGlzdEludGVnZXIgPT0gTGlzdCggSW50ZWdlciApOwoKaW1wb3J0IGZy -b20gRG9tQSggSW50ZWdlciwgTGlzdEludGVnZXIgKTsKaW1wb3J0IGZyb20gRG9t -QiggSW50ZWdlciwgTGlzdEludGVnZXIgKTsKCmltcG9ydCBmcm9tIEludGVnZXIs -IExpc3RJbnRlZ2VyOwppbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBUZXh0V3JpdGVyLCBDaGFyYWN0ZXI7 -CgpzdGRvdXQgPDwgYXBwZW5kISggZiggMiApLCBnKCA0ICkgKSA8PCBuZXdsaW5l -Owo= - -------------Ku392vERVNCFZTg8ZBTYkT - -I2luY2x1ZGUgImFsZG9yIgoKRG9tQSggVDogVHlwZSApOiB3aXRoIHsgCiAgICBm -OiBUIC0+IExpc3QgVDsKfSA9PSBhZGQgewogICAgZiggYTogVCApOiBMaXN0IFQg -PT0geyBbIGEgXSB9Owp9CgpEb21CKCBUOiBUeXBlICk6IHdpdGggeyAKICAgIGc6 -IFQgLT4gTGlzdCBUOwp9ID09IGFkZCB7CiAgICBnKCBhOiBUICk6IExpc3QgVCA9 -PSB7IFsgYSwgYSBdIH07Cn0KCmltcG9ydCBmcm9tIERvbUEoIEludGVnZXIgKTsK -aW1wb3J0IGZyb20gRG9tQiggSW50ZWdlciApOwoKaW1wb3J0IGZyb20gTGlzdCgg -SW50ZWdlciApOwppbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBJbnRlZ2VyOwppbXBvcnQgZnJvbSBUZXh0 -V3JpdGVyLCBDaGFyYWN0ZXI7CgpzdGRvdXQgPDwgYXBwZW5kISggZiggMiApLCBn -KCA0ICkgKSA8PCBuZXdsaW5lOwo= - -------------Ku392vERVNCFZTg8ZBTYkT-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffywd-00036X-OW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:46:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffywb-000363-Pr - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:46:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ffywa-00035Z-44 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:46:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffywa-00035W-0Z - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:46:32 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfyzD-0008UD-BR - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:49:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 May 2006 12:46:30 -0000 -Received: from 83-65-215-195.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [83.65.215.195] - by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 16 May 2006 14:46:30 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:46:31 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - - - <44690238.1070709@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello, -On Tue, 16 May 2006 00:35:36 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke = - +On Tue, 16 May 2006 00:35:36 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke Ralf Hemmecke wrote: >> | System(): with { >> | timestamp: Integer; >> | cpuTemperature: Integer; ->> | } =3D=3D add { ->> | timestamp: Integer =3D=3D { obtain the timestamp somehow } ->> | cpuTemperature: Integer =3D=3D { obtain the timestamp somehow } +>> | } == add { +>> | timestamp: Integer == { obtain the timestamp somehow } +>> | cpuTemperature: Integer == { obtain the timestamp somehow } >> | } [...] >> | | System: with { >> | grabData: () -> % >> | timestamp: % -> Integer; >> | cpuTemperature: % -> Integer; ->> | } =3D=3D add { ->> | macro Rep =3D=3D Record( ts: Integer, temp: Integer ); ->> | | grabData(): % =3D=3D { ->> | per record( obtain the timestamp somehow, obtain the = - +>> | } == add { +>> | macro Rep == Record( ts: Integer, temp: Integer ); +>> | | grabData(): % == { +>> | per record( obtain the timestamp somehow, obtain the >> temperature | somehow ); >> | } ->> | | timestamp( a: % ): Integer =3D=3D { (rep a) . ts; }; ->> | cpuTemperature( a: % ): Integer =3D=3D { (rep a) . temp; }; +>> | | timestamp( a: % ): Integer == { (rep a) . ts; }; +>> | cpuTemperature( a: % ): Integer == { (rep a) . temp; }; >> | } > -> I would also claim the second is better. Christian, if you call the = - -> first System() only once then you wouldn't make it a function, but you= - = - +> I would also claim the second is better. Christian, if you call the +> first System() only once then you wouldn't make it a function, but you > certainly like to call System() several times. Yes, certainly. Consider the following piece of code: -printSystemStats(): () =3D=3D { +printSystemStats(): () == { import from System(), ...; stdout << cpuTemperature << " " << timestamp << newline; } -monitor(): () =3D=3D { +monitor(): () == { repeat { printSystemStats(); some code to sleep 10 seconds } } -There, System() would get called again and again. Every ten seconds a ne= -w = - +There, System() would get called again and again. Every ten seconds a new instance. ->> | To determine the given temperature and timestamp for the system = - ->> involves 1 | Function call for non functional Domains and 3 for = - +>> | To determine the given temperature and timestamp for the system +>> involves 1 | Function call for non functional Domains and 3 for >> functional Domains. > > I guess you are wrong. > -> In the first case, each time you want a time-temperature pair you must= - = - +> In the first case, each time you want a time-temperature pair you must > do like... > -> S =3D=3D System(); -> t :=3D timeStamp$S; -> T :=3D cpuTemperature$S; +> S == System(); +> t := timeStamp$S; +> T := cpuTemperature$S; > > in the second case it is > -> d :=3D grabData()$System; -> t :=3D timeStamp(d)$System; -> T :=3D cpuTemperature(d)$System; +> d := grabData()$System; +> t := timeStamp(d)$System; +> T := cpuTemperature(d)$System; > > So what do you gain? -Again: The first piece of code has one function call ... namely System()= -. = - -Then obtaining timeStamp and cpuTemperature is getting constants and not= - = - +Again: The first piece of code has one function call ... namely System(). +Then obtaining timeStamp and cpuTemperature is getting constants and not calling functions. 1 function call. -In the second case, grabData() is "calling a function". Same holds for = - +In the second case, grabData() is "calling a function". Same holds for timeStamp(d) and cpuTemperature. 3 function calls. -In a general setting, calling functions is slow, so we do not want to do= - = - +In a general setting, calling functions is slow, so we do not want to do it often. -Again. I am not saying, this is the way to go ... It is just an example,= - = - +Again. I am not saying, this is the way to go ... It is just an example, where non functionality might be usefull. ->> If I do not have a functional type system, how am I supposed to do = - +>> If I do not have a functional type system, how am I supposed to do >> "separate compilation"? How am I supposed to do calls? > > [ Ralf clairifying how it can be done ] -Also have in mind, that "with" statements are a anonymous. You can check= - = - +Also have in mind, that "with" statements are a anonymous. You can check whether Dom: with { @@ -17429,87 +10230,33 @@ Dom has with { f:() -> (); } Note that these are two completely different with statements! -> But it has to be discussed what "equality of arguments" actually means= - = - -> in order to be able to speak about the functionality property, since n= -ot = - -> every type exports "=3D: (%, %) -> %". - -This is the main point to the whole discussion and the main drawback of = - = +> But it has to be discussed what "equality of arguments" actually means +> in order to be able to speak about the functionality property, since not +> every type exports "=: (%, %) -> %". +This is the main point to the whole discussion and the main drawback of functionality. "How to check equality"? -Even and if everything exports "=3D", we do not know about the semantics= - of = - -"=3D". We would have to bind them :(. -The interesting part is that with in a purely functional setting we will= - = - +Even and if everything exports "=", we do not know about the semantics of +"=". We would have to bind them :(. +The interesting part is that with in a purely functional setting we will also run into troubles soon, when using pointer comparison: -DomA( a: List Integer ):with {...} =3D=3D add {...} +DomA( a: List Integer ):with {...} == add {...} -a: List Integer :=3D [ 1, 2, 3 ]; -R =3D=3D DomA( a ); -a . 2 :=3D 300; -S =3D=3D DomA( a ); - -a still refers to the same memory location, but it is different. Would R= - = +a: List Integer := [ 1, 2, 3 ]; +R == DomA( a ); +a . 2 := 300; +S == DomA( a ); +a still refers to the same memory location, but it is different. Would R equal S? --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfzHu-0007bU-Qf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:08:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfzHs-0007ao-Rq - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:08:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FfzHr-0007aC-2o - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:08:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfzHq-0007a8-Ve - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:08:31 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FfzKU-0002es-J7 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:11:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.167.127] (dyn167127.wlan.jku.at [140.78.167.127]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4GD8DHi025300 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 16 May 2006 15:08:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:08:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - - - <44690238.1070709@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt > DomA( a: List Integer ):with {...} == add {...} > @@ -17539,77 +10286,34 @@ using destructive functions one can introduce as nasty things as one wants. The above code snippet is just such an example of such a nasty thing. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg0yg-0008WB-CE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:56:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg0ye-0008Ub-OY - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:56:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg0yb-0008Ry-S0 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:56:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fg0yb-0008Rn-NG - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:56:45 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg11G-0000aM-36 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:59:30 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 May 2006 14:56:43 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-86.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.86] - by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 16 May 2006 16:56:43 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:56:44 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - - - <44690238.1070709@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4469CEC0.8040603@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: functional type system using pointer comparisons - to check equality [was: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are - Fraction and Complex domains.] +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: functional type system using pointer comparisons to check equality +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello, -On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:08:16 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wro= -te: - ->> DomA( a: List Integer ):with {...} =3D=3D add {...} ->> a: List Integer :=3D [ 1, 2, 3 ]; ->> R =3D=3D DomA( a ); ->> a . 2 :=3D 300; ->> S =3D=3D DomA( a ); ->> a still refers to the same memory location, but it is different. Wou= -ld = +On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:08:16 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +>> DomA( a: List Integer ):with {...} == add {...} +>> a: List Integer := [ 1, 2, 3 ]; +>> R == DomA( a ); +>> a . 2 := 300; +>> S == DomA( a ); +>> a still refers to the same memory location, but it is different. Would >> R equal S? > > Well, here I would comment the following. > -> a.2 :=3D 300 +> a.2 := 300 > > is the same as > > set!(a, 2, 300) > -> Everyone sees the exclamation mark? This exclamation mark is a = - +> Everyone sees the exclamation mark? This exclamation mark is a > _convention_ in Aldor to say that a function is destructive, Yes. @@ -17618,97 +10322,51 @@ Yes. No. It may destroy _all_ of its parameters. But thats not the point. -Since it is hard -- or rather impossible -- for a developer to deceide = - -whether or not a value he returns will be or has been used in a type = - -constructing function, you'd practically forbid using destructive = - +Since it is hard -- or rather impossible -- for a developer to deceide +whether or not a value he returns will be or has been used in a type +constructing function, you'd practically forbid using destructive functions at all. -You'd not even be allowed to act destructivly on a value you just copied= -: +You'd not even be allowed to act destructivly on a value you just copied: SomeDom: with { CopyableType; ... -} =3D=3D add { - copy( a: % ): % =3D=3D { +} == add { + copy( a: % ): % == { local copiedValue: %; ... - copiedValue :=3D ...; + copiedValue := ...; ... - assert( hasBeenProperlyCopied $ ProperlyCopiedHelperDomain( a, = - + assert( hasBeenProperlyCopied $ ProperlyCopiedHelperDomain( a, copiedValue ) ); copiedValue; } ... } -local a: SomeDom :=3D ... -local b: SomeDom :=3D copy a; -destructiveFunction!( b ); -- b has already been used in via copiedValue= - = - +local a: SomeDom := ... +local b: SomeDom := copy a; +destructiveFunction!( b ); -- b has already been used in via copiedValue in ProperlyCopiedHelperDomain( a, copiedValue ). So practically no destructive functions... -I wouldn't want to have a functional-type system performing equality = - +I wouldn't want to have a functional-type system performing equality checks by comparing pointers. -Besides, huge Integers representing the same number most likely do not = - +Besides, huge Integers representing the same number most likely do not share the same memory. -Besides, Lists of the same integers most likely do not share the same = - +Besides, Lists of the same integers most likely do not share the same memory. -Most "elements of domains", which represent the same value most likely d= -o = - -not share memory. However, they can be used as parameters to domain = - -constructing functions. What would be the worth of "functionality" if it= - = - +Most "elements of domains", which represent the same value most likely do +not share memory. However, they can be used as parameters to domain +constructing functions. What would be the worth of "functionality" if it stops there? --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg3T2-0004Ch-Td - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:36:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg3T1-0004B3-M4 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:36:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg3Sz-0004Ag-4a - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:36:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fg3Sy-0004Ad-Vh - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:36:17 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.30] (helo=smtp1.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg3Vf-0001eT-Bp - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:39:03 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9B0C31C00222 - for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:36:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-63-132.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-63-132.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.219.132]) - by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 560011C00227 - for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:36:14 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: axiom-developer Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:36:25 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: axiom-developer Subject: space in ++ description - ---=-80Sib68yfLCb8x4tKomZ - Hi, Can someone explain me why @@ -17762,51 +10420,19 @@ MyTest() : Exports == Implementation where myfunc1(n)== one? n myfunc2(n)== zero? n - - ---=-80Sib68yfLCb8x4tKomZ-- - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg5yV-00039u-7W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg5yT-00039E-Ky - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg5yR-00038q-98 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fg5yR-00038n-3S - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg619-0007lg-1T - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:19:43 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4GKGqHi005263 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 16 May 2006 22:16:53 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:16:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: space in ++ description -Cc: axiom-developer Hi Greg, very nice that you have trouble with that. ;-) No, you are not alone. I have NEVER seen a clear explanation of how -++ comments should be written. And that was one of the reasons why I=20 -finally decided to introduce my own syntax (which is just a set of 5 TeX = - +++ comments should be written. And that was one of the reasons why I +finally decided to introduce my own syntax (which is just a set of 5 TeX commands \adtype \adthistype (markup for types) @@ -17825,64 +10451,38 @@ adsnippet (for longer pieces of code) and additionally the WHOLE power of LaTeX. -If you want to find out more look at the section about aldordoc.sty in=20 -ALLPROSE. And if you follow some simple and natural conventions in=20 -ALLPROSE, you will even get all things hyperlinked (in pdf, dvi, and=20 +If you want to find out more look at the section about aldordoc.sty in +ALLPROSE. And if you follow some simple and natural conventions in +ALLPROSE, you will even get all things hyperlinked (in pdf, dvi, and html). No way, however, to help you to produce nice things for hyperdoc. -I hope some day the aldordoc.sty way of typesetting +++ comments becomes = - +I hope some day the aldordoc.sty way of typesetting +++ comments becomes standard. -Anyway, you should write in a literate programming style. Your code=20 +Anyway, you should write in a literate programming style. Your code looks as if you are doing something else. ;-) On 05/16/2006 07:36 PM, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > Hi, ->=20 +> > Can someone explain me why -> =20 +> > myfunc1: Z -> Boolean > ++ myfunc1(z) computes a wonderful thing. -> ++ SIDE =3D 'L' SIDE =3D 'R' -> ++ TRANS =3D 'N': Q * C C * Q -> ++ TRANS =3D 'T': Q**T * C C * Q**T ->=20 +> ++ SIDE = 'L' SIDE = 'R' +> ++ TRANS = 'N': Q * C C * Q +> ++ TRANS = 'T': Q**T * C C * Q**T +> > is correctly displayed in hyperdoc but not ->=20 +> > myfunc2: Z -> Boolean > ++ myfunc2(z) computes another wonderful thing. -> ++ A * P =3D Q * [ R11 R12 ] +> ++ A * P = Q * [ R11 R12 ] > ++ [ 0 R22 ] ->=20 +> > ? - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg7Xt-0007Qe-KN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:57:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg7Xr-0007QM-QW - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:57:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fg7Xp-0007Pw-69 - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:57:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fg7Xo-0007Pt-VR - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:57:33 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.188] (helo=web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg7aX-0007PW-KY - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:00:21 -0400 -Received: (qmail 48162 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2006 21:57:31 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=VNyK4PtsPLIEeh4M12MN7NZh5kgeYK9gggUzXdcc9QgxkTFATWfugPjy82mf/myKJ0Ar9B+WyIN3JHLTvo1iCgZORm2pJ/06zr+pBzQlbKRNvrmCVjSz/6u8B1BpL2u91YFx8/jYi1HM8MGLsia3ezvxrMVroDLwmuW0LIQGcqo= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 16 May 2006 14:57:31 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -17961,11 +10561,8 @@ Volume 9.6 Special Functions Volume 9.7 Calculus - Differentiation and Integration Volume 9.8 Differential Equations etc. etc. etc. - - Volume 10.1 Fundamental Numerical Methods Volume 10.2 - Volume 11.1 Fundamentals of Descriptive Systems - Physical, Economic, etc. Volume 11.2 Physics @@ -18001,47 +10598,10 @@ organize virtually all mathematics into a coherent structure which is understandable and extendable. 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgAqD-0000IY-QM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:28:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgAqC-0000I0-4q - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:28:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgAqA-0000Hg-Iw - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:28:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgAqA-0000Hd-Ea - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:28:42 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgAsv-0005mF-Fb - for list; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:31:33 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4H1RkQc032607; - Tue, 16 May 2006 21:27:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D2B7F406; - Tue, 16 May 2006 21:27:47 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4H1Lke15711; - Tue, 16 May 2006 21:21:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:21:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: christian@defun.dk - Christian Lynbech on Tue, 16 May 2006 20:32:43 +0200) -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Christian Lynbech Subject: Re: Literate programming (note that this part of my reply is copied to the axiom mailing list) @@ -18094,8 +10654,7 @@ fourth, since all of my literate work uses latex it makes sense to limit the noweb functionality to be pure latex. so instead of defining a chunk as -<>= -@ +<>@ we would write @@ -18131,92 +10690,39 @@ no mechanism, no machinery. it should "just work". -t - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgGpA-00071M-W4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:52:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgGp7-0006zE-FV - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:52:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgGp3-0006wL-TJ - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:52:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgGp2-0006w0-TF - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:51:57 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgGrr-0001aG-DN - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:54:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 May 2006 07:51:55 -0000 -Received: from 83-65-215-196.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [83.65.215.196] - by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 17 May 2006 09:51:55 +0200 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:51:49 +0200 -To: Martin Rubey, - "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> - <85k68m5qw2.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello Martin, -On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:13:17 +0200, Martin Rubey = - +On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:13:17 +0200, Martin Rubey Martin Rubey wrote: -> Where does it say that Dom(x) and Dom(y) should be the same, even if x= - = - +> Where does it say that Dom(x) and Dom(y) should be the same, even if x > and y > are equal in some sense? I guess nowhere. But typically, you'd expect it. Consider -a: List Integer :=3D [ 1 ]; -b: List Integer :=3D [ 2 ]; +a: List Integer := [ 1 ]; +b: List Integer := [ 2 ]; you want to be able to call append!( a, b ), won't you? -But actually, you invoke the function List two times. Each time with the= - = - +But actually, you invoke the function List two times. Each time with the same argument (namely Integer). -If calling a function two times with the same argument yields the same = - -(not the equivalent, but really the same) result, we call it "functional= -" = - -in the discussion. Otherwise, we call it non functional. Just as with = - +If calling a function two times with the same argument yields the same +(not the equivalent, but really the same) result, we call it "functional" +in the discussion. Otherwise, we call it non functional. Just as with (functional) relations. -> I would imagine that Dom(x) and Dom(y) are the same, (i.e., instantiat= -ed = - +> I would imagine that Dom(x) and Dom(y) are the same, (i.e., instantiated > only -> once) if x and y are the same, i.e., if (eq x y) as opposed to (equal = -x = - +> once) if x and y are the same, i.e., if (eq x y) as opposed to (equal x > y), but > I'd be interested to find something about this in the documentation. @@ -18225,59 +10731,20 @@ I do not know. Just look at the Dom example I gave. > I'd leave it unspecified. -Leaving compiler behaviour unspecified is a bad thing. No user would be = - = - -allewed to rely on calling List( Integer ) two times would give an = - +Leaving compiler behaviour unspecified is a bad thing. No user would be +allewed to rely on calling List( Integer ) two times would give an identical result. Why would no user be able to rely on it, if its unspecified? Because it might change in future :( --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgHLe-0003NE-8z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:25:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgHLc-0003Mm-7d - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:25:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgHLZ-0003MQ-Ov - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:25:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgHLZ-0003MN-C6 - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:25:33 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgHOO-0004KE-8m - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:28:28 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4H8OTpj008396; - Wed, 17 May 2006 10:24:31 +0200 (CEST) -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> <85k68m5qw2.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 May 2006 10:24:13 +0200 -Cc: aldor-l , Stephen Watt, - axiom-dev -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Martin Rubey +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt -"Christian Aistleitner" writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: > Hello Martin, > @@ -18354,36 +10821,11 @@ I agree that I wouldn't leave *this* unspecified, but I could imagine saying: thanks for getting me into the boat again, -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgI7P-00085P-7D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:14:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgI7O-00082s-2j - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:14:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgI7N-00081B-2I - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:14:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgI7M-00080b-Ma - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:14:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgIAC-0000cM-2q - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:17:52 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4H9AJpj035215; - Wed, 17 May 2006 11:10:21 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 17 May 2006 11:10:03 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: space in ++ description - <446A333B.4030708@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 May 2006 11:10:03 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18432,85 +10874,38 @@ MyTest() : Exports == Implementation where myfunc1(n)== one? n myfunc2(n)== zero? n - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgLgD-0005NY-3r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:03:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgLgA-0005Mx-Mz - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:03:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgLgA-0005Mi-5K - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:03:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgLgA-0005Mf-1j - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:03:06 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgLj1-00011y-GY - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:06:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 May 2006 13:03:03 -0000 -Received: from 83-65-215-166.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [83.65.215.166] - by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:03:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:02:57 +0200 +From: Christian Aistleitner To: Martin Rubey -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44637605.8060405@hemmecke.de> - - <4463C178.2080409@hemmecke.de> - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> - <85k68m5qw2.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - - <858xp1t5xu.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Stephen Watt, axiom-dev , - aldor-l -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Hello, > OK, I see now. It could be -- in the non functional setting -- that > -> a: NonFunctionalDomainConstructor Integer :=3D something -> b: NonFunctionalDomainConstructor Integer :=3D otherthing +> a: NonFunctionalDomainConstructor Integer := something +> b: NonFunctionalDomainConstructor Integer := otherthing > -> and NonFunctionalDomainConstructor exports an operation f(%, %), but I= - = - +> and NonFunctionalDomainConstructor exports an operation f(%, %), but I > still -> *shouldn't* be able to call f(a, b), since a and b come from different= - +> *shouldn't* be able to call f(a, b), since a and b come from different > instantiations of NonFunctionalDomainConstructor Integer? yes. -> (Not currently, since it seems that Aldor instantiates a Domain only = - +> (Not currently, since it seems that Aldor instantiates a Domain only > another time, if the argument has changed.) -No. Sometimes, a domain is not re-instantiated, even if the argument = - +No. Sometimes, a domain is not re-instantiated, even if the argument changed ;) See my Dom example: http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2006-May/000205.html ->> > I would imagine that Dom(x) and Dom(y) are the same, (i.e., = - +>> > I would imagine that Dom(x) and Dom(y) are the same, (i.e., >> instantiated ->> > only once) if x and y are the same, i.e., if (eq x y) as opposed to= - = - +>> > only once) if x and y are the same, i.e., if (eq x y) as opposed to >> (equal >> > x y), but I'd be interested to find something about this in the >> > documentation. @@ -18526,78 +10921,34 @@ http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2006-May/000205.html >> >> Leaving compiler behaviour unspecified is a bad thing. > -> No, not necessarily. Maybe I should have said "undefined". In Lisp thi= -s = - +> No, not necessarily. Maybe I should have said "undefined". In Lisp this > is the -> case for many things. It's basically saying: "in principle it is an = - +> case for many things. It's basically saying: "in principle it is an > error, but don't expect that I throw an error message". -Thereby you specify it. You say the thing of interest is wrong. And you = - = - -specify that an error might be thrown. But you must not rely on it. = - +Thereby you specify it. You say the thing of interest is wrong. And you +specify that an error might be thrown. But you must not rely on it. Specified. ->> No user would be allowed to rely on calling List( Integer ) two times= - = - +>> No user would be allowed to rely on calling List( Integer ) two times >> would give an identical result. > -> I agree that I wouldn't leave *this* unspecified, but I could imagine = - = - +> I agree that I wouldn't leave *this* unspecified, but I could imagine > saying: > -> * domains are "compatible" (i.e., you may use append in the example yo= -u = - +> * domains are "compatible" (i.e., you may use append in the example you > gave -> above), if their arguments were identical. In this case, the domain = -is +> above), if their arguments were identical. In this case, the domain is > instantiated only once. > > * if their arguments were not identical, the behaviour is unspecified -Such a definition would be contradicting the current implementation of t= -he = - +Such a definition would be contradicting the current implementation of the Aldor compiler :) -And what do you mean by "identical"? The whole thing is terribly = - +And what do you mean by "identical"? The whole thing is terribly complicated (at least for me). --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgNU7-0005nk-D6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:58:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgNU5-0005n2-7W - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:58:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgNTz-0005l8-IK - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:58:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgNTz-0005l2-D1 - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:58:39 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.182] (helo=web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgNWq-000652-Kp - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:01:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 34563 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 14:58:36 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=BGWtNimgr+BWm4rBP1hMJ9x1omCeSmsow1ae286p88NhTJLBjtqCPSu7k7SgJjTvCQqNMifQxAcJwWn7uCqW6BPYg+RdpnaKyTmwWSMjBAxhzLYBJKk7oxauiMjbz/vOI3AeSRqC/9Mds322PVYuiGg7lWWeeFYYtaaFRe+Z5YE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 17 May 2006 07:58:36 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -18635,45 +10986,11 @@ couple of lines in each Latex document identifying its categorization (maybe creating a standard template with header and footer identifying key info... hmm...), or both? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgQVX-0002rF-Qp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgQVV-0002p6-PJ - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgQVT-0002nH-PA - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgQVT-0002n9-Ii - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:12:23 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.28] (helo=smtp3.wanadoo.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgQYO-0004kl-Av - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:15:24 -0400 -Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7893B1C00C43 - for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:12:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-88-125.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-88-125.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.29.125]) - by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 046901C00CC6; - Wed, 17 May 2006 20:12:20 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: space in ++ description -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <446A333B.4030708@hemmecke.de> <854pzpt3tg.fsf@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:12:37 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: space in ++ description Hi, @@ -18681,10 +10998,8 @@ Le mercredi 17 mai 2006 =E0 11:10 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : [...] -> I guess the only way to find out is to grep src/algebra to filter all w= -ords -> \blabla that are contained in a line that contains ++. However, it seem= -s to me +> I guess the only way to find out is to grep src/algebra to filter all words +> \blabla that are contained in a line that contains ++. However, it seems to me > that the only commands used there are \axiom, \spad, \em, and some > others. Another source is doc/hypertex/pages. @@ -18698,55 +11013,12 @@ library but it seems that hyperdoc doesn't use it. Thanks, I'll use this environment. -Cheers, - -Greg - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgXK5-0004cH-KE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:29:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgMVa-0004Pk-71 - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:56:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgMVZ-0004OM-4Z - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:56:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgMVY-0004OJ-Us - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:56:12 -0400 -Received: from [129.100.16.102] (helo=ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FgMYQ-0000aV-Rb - for list; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:59:11 -0400 -Received: from ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HDu5D1024641; - Wed, 17 May 2006 09:56:05 -0400 -Received: (from watt@localhost) - by ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4HDu5IY024639; - Wed, 17 May 2006 09:56:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:56:05 -0400 From: Stephen Watt -To: Christian Aistleitner - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> - <85k68m5qw2.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - - <858xp1t5xu.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: aldor-l , Stephen Watt, - axiom-dev -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. +Cc: Stephen Watt Dear Christian et al, @@ -18863,41 +11135,15 @@ On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:02:57PM +0200, Christian Aistleitner wrote: > > Such a definition would be contradicting the current implementation of the > Aldor compiler :) -> And what do you mean by "identical"? The whole thing is terribly -> complicated (at least for me). -> -> -- -> Kind regards, -> Christian - - +> And what do you mean by "identical"? The whole thing is terribly +> complicated (at least for me). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgeNZ-0003X4-B8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:01:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgeNX-0003Vl-89 - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:01:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FgeNU-0003TW-Os - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:01:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgeNU-0003T8-DU - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:01:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgeQX-0002PE-DD - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:04:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4I90bpj019154; - Thu, 18 May 2006 11:00:40 +0200 (CEST) -Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 May 2006 11:00:24 +0200 -Posted-To: comp.lang.lisp -Cc: axiom-dev , - Peter Broadbery +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Re: Lisp may not be dead, but... +Cc: Peter Broadbery The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to comp.lang.lisp as well. @@ -18924,80 +11170,29 @@ it is able to compile to lisp, so why not keep the Axiom interpreter in Lisp? PLEASE! (I know it's a difficult job, I cannot do it, but maybe there is somebody out there with the appropriate knowledge...) - - - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fgf07-0003mb-3E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fgf06-0003mW-BC - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fgf05-0003mH-Q4 - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgf05-0003mD-L6 - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:57 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fgf39-0005Ym-5o - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:44:07 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 May 2006 09:40:56 -0000 -Received: from 85-126-38-134.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.126.38.134] - by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 18 May 2006 11:40:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:40:50 +0200 -To: "Stephen Watt" Stephen Watt -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44647D47.8080809@hemmecke.de> - - - <4467DB0B.5070209@hemmecke.de> - <85k68m5qw2.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - - <858xp1t5xu.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - - <20060517135605.GF14445@ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca> -Cc: aldor-l , Stephen Watt, - axiom-dev -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and - Complex domains. +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Stephen Watt +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [Axiom-math] Are Fraction and Complex domains. Hello Stephen, first of all, thank you for sharing some insight about Aldor. -I love the approach that domain-constructing functions are _not_ treated= - = - +I love the approach that domain-constructing functions are _not_ treated special, but the speciality is hidden in the context. Awesome! -Although this can be found in the Aldor User Guide, I could not find it = - = - +Although this can be found in the Aldor User Guide, I could not find it before reading your mail. -You now have changed my perspective on Aldor a bit, and I love that even= - = - +You now have changed my perspective on Aldor a bit, and I love that even more. -It explains an aspect of Aldor, that has been quite fuzzy for me before.= - +It explains an aspect of Aldor, that has been quite fuzzy for me before. -However, domain-constructing functions may also occur in non-Type contex= -t. = - -There the domain-constructing function is called again and again. Consid= -er = - +However, domain-constructing functions may also occur in non-Type context. +There the domain-constructing function is called again and again. Consider the following piece of code: #include "aldor" @@ -19007,38 +11202,30 @@ import from TextWriter, String, Character; Dom( param: Integer ): with { f: () -> Integer -} =3D=3D { +} == { import from RandomNumberGenerator; - local r: Integer :=3D randomInteger() :: Integer; - stdout << "Domain ( param : " << ( param ) << ") -- r: " << r << newlin= -e; = - + local r: Integer := randomInteger() :: Integer; + stdout << "Domain ( param : " << ( param ) << ") -- r: " << r << newline; add { --f yields a domain's r - f(): Integer =3D=3D { r } + f(): Integer == { r } } } -macro NUM =3D=3D ( max::Integer quo 2 ); +macro NUM == ( max::Integer quo 2 ); stdout << "call : " << f()$Dom( next NUM ) << newline; stdout << "call : " << f()$Dom( next NUM ) << newline; -local t1: Type :=3D Dom( next NUM ); -local t2: Type :=3D Dom( next NUM ); -local t3: Type :=3D Dom( next NUM ); +local t1: Type := Dom( next NUM ); +local t2: Type := Dom( next NUM ); +local t3: Type := Dom( next NUM ); -The Dom(...) at the 2 "stdout" lines is in type context. So these line a= -re = - -responsible for one instantiation of Dom. However, the Dom for t1, t2, a= -nd = - -t3 are not in type context. Therefore, The domain constructing function = - = - +The Dom(...) at the 2 "stdout" lines is in type context. So these line are +responsible for one instantiation of Dom. However, the Dom for t1, t2, and +t3 are not in type context. Therefore, The domain constructing function Dom is actually called. To verify my claims, let me give you the output: @@ -19051,12 +11238,8 @@ Domain ( param : 1073741824) -- r: 1363117465 Domain ( param : 1073741824) -- r: 11671655 -This kind of writing code may lead to incompatible types (well... simply= - = - -by non functional behaviour of domain-constructing functions), as can be= - = - +This kind of writing code may lead to incompatible types (well... simply +by non functional behaviour of domain-constructing functions), as can be seen in this example: #include "aldor" @@ -19068,34 +11251,30 @@ Dom(): with { coerce: Integer -> %; coerce: % -> Integer; (+): ( %, % ) -> %; -} =3D=3D add { - Rep =3D=3D Integer; - coerce( a : Integer ): % =3D=3D { per a }; - coerce( a : % ): Integer =3D=3D { rep a }; - (+)( a : %, b : % ): % =3D=3D { per( rep a + rep b ) }; +} == add { + Rep == Integer; + coerce( a : Integer ): % == { per a }; + coerce( a : % ): Integer == { rep a }; + (+)( a : %, b : % ): % == { per( rep a + rep b ) }; } -macro NUM =3D=3D ( max::Integer quo 2 ); +macro NUM == ( max::Integer quo 2 ); -T0 =3D=3D Dom(); -T1 =3D=3D Dom(); -local t2: Type :=3D Dom(); -T2 =3D=3D t2; +T0 == Dom(); +T1 == Dom(); +local t2: Type := Dom(); +T2 == t2; import from T0, T1, T2; --T0 and T1 refer to the same domain. -stdout << "( T0 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T0)( 1 ) = - +stdout << "( T0 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T0)( 1 ) + (coerce$T0)( 1 ) ) << newline; -stdout << "( T1 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T1)( 1 ) = - +stdout << "( T1 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T1)( 1 ) + (coerce$T0)( 1 ) ) << newline; -stdout << "( T1 + T0 ) -> T1 : " << (coerce$T1)( (coerce$T1)( 1 ) = - +stdout << "( T1 + T0 ) -> T1 : " << (coerce$T1)( (coerce$T1)( 1 ) + (coerce$T0)( 1 ) ) << newline; -stdout << "( T1 + T1 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T1)( 1 ) = - +stdout << "( T1 + T1 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T1)( 1 ) + (coerce$T1)( 1 ) ) << newline; @@ -19109,77 +11288,36 @@ The output of the example is However, T2 does not refer to T0 or T1, as adding the line -stdout << "( T2 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T2)( 1 ) = - +stdout << "( T2 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T2)( 1 ) + (coerce$T0)( 1 ) ) << newline; shows by yielding "test2.as", line 32: -stdout << "( T2 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T2)( 1 ) = - +stdout << "( T2 + T0 ) -> T0 : " << (coerce$T0)( (coerce$T2)( 1 ) + (coerce$T0)( 1 ) ) << newline; .........................................................^ -[L32 C58] #1 (Error) There are no suitable meanings for the operator = - +[L32 C58] #1 (Error) There are no suitable meanings for the operator `coerce$T2'. at compilation time. -Did this happen by intention, or does the language provide some tricks f= -or = - +Did this happen by intention, or does the language provide some tricks for such cases which are currently not implemented by the compiler? > [ Expressions in type context ] > Additionally, names -> in a type expression are resolved to their full form (indicating their= - = - +> in a type expression are resolved to their full form (indicating their > origin, e.g. +$Integer). This gives the _expanded type expression_. -Might this kind of resolvement be a hint, why sometimes renaming a = - -variable turns a segfaulting program into a working one -- and vice-vers= -a? - --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - +Might this kind of resolvement be a hint, why sometimes renaming a +variable turns a segfaulting program into a working one -- and vice-versa? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fgujr-00079I-QV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:29:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fgujp-00078d-F1 - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:29:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fgujn-00076e-A3 - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:29:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fgujn-00076P-4K - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:29:11 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fgun0-0002Lt-IH - for list; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:32:30 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4J2Sn2x019720; - Thu, 18 May 2006 22:28:49 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-33.zoominternet.net - [72.23.18.33]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099D57F405; - Thu, 18 May 2006 22:28:54 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4J2MoQ17224; - Thu, 18 May 2006 22:22:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:22:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list, doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net +From: Tim Daly +To: list Subject: (no subject) Subject: Doyen, Magnus distribution @@ -19222,38 +11360,10 @@ this would allow magnus to be used over the web. it would be simple to open a second browser window with a different page so you could have the two-window desktop Gilbert prefers. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FhvuB-00047V-3w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:56:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fhvu8-000464-Rq - for list; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:56:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fhvu5-00044B-8w - for list; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:56:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fhvu4-000441-Vt - for list; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:56:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fhvxv-0007i1-Ca - for list; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:59:59 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4LLtlHi020949 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 21 May 2006 23:55:48 +0200 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:56:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel -Cc: +To: list Subject: domain containers in the axiom interpreter Hello, @@ -19371,34 +11481,12 @@ constant (which may cause problems if it is used in a dependent type). >> System error: # is not of type LIST. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiAYW-0004JO-1g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:34:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiAYU-0004I8-Hn - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:34:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiAYR-0004FQ-Gh - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:34:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiAYR-0004F8-2p - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:34:39 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.192.81] (helo=rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiAcQ-0006yu-Tk - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:38:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP - id <20060522133435m110046m9qe>; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:34:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:34:26 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Literate programming - <200605170121.k4H1Lke15711@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, christian@defun.dk +Cc: Christian Lynbech I'm in violent agreement in principle -- anything that depends on "awk" and "sed" (and pipes and the shell) needs to be re-implemented. The @@ -19503,55 +11591,12 @@ root wrote: > no mechanism, no machinery. > > it should "just work". -> -> t -> -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiB3B-00037c-3I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:06:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiB39-000379-Jd - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:06:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiB37-00036o-JR - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:06:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiB37-00036l-HC - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:06:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiB77-0002Hk-HE - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:10:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4MDv30J025178; - Mon, 22 May 2006 15:57:05 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 22 May 2006 15:57:05 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: Literate programming - <200605170121.k4H1Lke15711@localhost.localdomain> - <4471BDE2.3050500@cesmail.net> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 May 2006 15:57:05 +0200 -Cc: list Ed Borasky writes: @@ -19563,40 +11608,11 @@ I disagree. I think we should concentrate on our main business. Note that we (Ralf and me) are in *desperate* need for a better interpreter. If that interpreter is not going to happen, we are going to continue in Aldor. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiDVo-0000tU-WE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:44:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiDVn-0000tN-5g - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:44:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiDVk-0000tB-Ak - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:44:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiDVk-0000t8-51 - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:44:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FiDZl-0001o4-HR - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:48:13 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4MGhv5D024238 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 22 May 2006 18:43:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:04:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Literate programming - <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Hello Ed, @@ -19654,38 +11670,16 @@ On 05/22/2006 03:57 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > > Martin - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiLKQ-0006bw-Lc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:04:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiIK2-0005Nn-F5 - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:52:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiIJz-0005Mv-1k - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:52:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiIJy-0005Ms-Vo - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:52:15 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiIO3-0003WC-DJ - for list; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:56:27 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.143.68] (suomi.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.143.68]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4MLpiSt022272 - for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:51:44 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Jaakko Jarvi Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:52:13 -0500 +From: Jaakko Jarvi +To: list Subject: Cfp: LCSD'06 -I believe this CFP will be of interest to the Axiom developers =20 +I believe this CFP will be of interest to the Axiom developers community. Best, - Jaakko J=E4rvi +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ @@ -19693,10 +11687,10 @@ Best, http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2006 - Workshop, on October 22nd or 23rd (exact date TBA), =20 + Workshop, on October 22nd or 23rd (exact date TBA), 2006 at - Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and =20 + Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and Applications (OOPSLA'06) conference in Portland, Oregon, October 22-26, 2006 @@ -19835,37 +11829,11 @@ research. FOR MORE INFORMATION AND UPDATES please visit the workshop's Web site, http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2006 - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiOlr-0005kW-AN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:45:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiOlp-0005jI-0B - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:45:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiOln-0005ie-Qf - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:45:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiOib-0004TV-R5 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:42:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.148.227.153] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiOmk-0005Gg-46 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:46:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP - id <20060523044203m1300giurse>; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:42:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:41:54 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Literate programming - <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <4471E103.4020708@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list I'm just now starting to do "literate programming", so I haven't had a chance to run into any performance bottlenecks in "noweb" yet. My @@ -19949,47 +11917,12 @@ Ralf Hemmecke wrote: >> (Ralf and me) are in *desperate* need for a better interpreter. If that >> interpreter is not going to happen, we are going to continue in Aldor. >> Martin -> -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiULz-00059R-N9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:43:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiULy-00059L-4e - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:43:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiULw-000594-BQ - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:43:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiULw-000591-7f - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:43:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FiUQ7-0000FH-SO - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:47:24 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4NAbf5D003945 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: Literate programming - <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <4471E103.4020708@hemmecke.de> <44729292.3040107@cesmail.net> -Cc: list Hi Ed, @@ -20032,38 +11965,11 @@ taste and the wysiwyg thing somehow contradicts TeX. One should concentrate on the contents not on its appearance. But of course, having CAS command lines integrated into the text is nice. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiVGd-00042u-AQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:41:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiVGc-00042Q-11 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:41:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiVGa-00041y-31 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:41:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiVGZ-00041v-W7 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:41:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiVKm-0005rG-F6 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:45:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain ([131.130.96.153]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4NBdK0J055262; - Tue, 23 May 2006 13:39:22 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 23 May 2006 13:39:25 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Literate programming - <200605170121.k4H1Lke15711@localhost.localdomain> - <4471BDE2.3050500@cesmail.net> <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <4471E103.4020708@hemmecke.de> <44729292.3040107@cesmail.net> - <4472E5F5.7020808@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 May 2006 13:39:25 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -20098,43 +12004,11 @@ that allows you to specify the patch number that you want to use. It seems however that it's not straightforward to implement this in the current framework. - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiVjl-0003Bd-9U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:11:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiVjj-0003Ac-8F - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:11:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiVjg-00039A-FN - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:11:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiVjg-000394-B3 - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:11:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FiVnt-0000k9-9q - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:16:01 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k4NCAF5D029454 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 23 May 2006 14:10:15 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:10:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Literate programming - <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> <4471E103.4020708@hemmecke.de> - <44729292.3040107@cesmail.net> <4472E5F5.7020808@hemmecke.de> - <85odxp3r82.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > But that's very similar to my request! Namely, integrate MathAction and > HyperDoc into AllProse. I believe that having only one very powerful yet simple @@ -20164,39 +12038,11 @@ But I guess so. Martin, I am not just a tool programmer. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiWv3-0003kx-9D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiWv1-0003jb-Gu - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiWv0-0003iu-VQ - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiWv0-0003in-OE - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:26 -0400 -Received: from [63.240.77.81] (helo=sccrmhc11.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiWzE-0006Jx-ID - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:31:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP - id <2006052313272501100qgd8oe>; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:27:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:27:14 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Literate programming - <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <4471E103.4020708@hemmecke.de> <44729292.3040107@cesmail.net> - <4472E5F5.7020808@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list - - Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Hi Ed, @@ -20262,45 +12108,12 @@ carefully allocate time between using the tools and working on them. > my taste and the wysiwyg thing somehow contradicts TeX. One should > concentrate on the contents not on its appearance. But of course, > having CAS command lines integrated into the text is nice. -> -> Ralf -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiX96-0001Py-4M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:42:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiX94-0001PT-NB - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:41:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FiX93-0001P8-2n - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:41:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiX92-0001P3-Vc - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:41:56 -0400 -Received: from [216.148.227.153] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiXDG-00005J-QQ - for list; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:46:18 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP - id <20060523134141m1300gk2kie>; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:41:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:41:30 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Literate programming - <85u07ii2mm.fsf@localhost.localdomain> <4471E103.4020708@hemmecke.de> - <44729292.3040107@cesmail.net> <4472E5F5.7020808@hemmecke.de> - <85odxp3r82.fsf@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Martin Rubey wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -20334,41 +12147,11 @@ within minutes was solving simple equational problems "just like I used to do in Derive 5". :) The engine is still Maxima, with all its warts and limitations, but the user interface instantly made sense to me. --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fj6RJ-0006vE-4M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fj6RH-0006v2-P0 - for list; Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fj6RC-0006uq-9Z - for list; Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fj6RC-0006un-6Y - for list; Wed, 24 May 2006 23:23:02 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.192.81] (helo=rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fj6Vk-00089h-ON - for list; Wed, 24 May 2006 23:27:45 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP - id <20060525032256m110049pnne>; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:22:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 20:22:54 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: NOWEB - -Cc: axiom-dev - - Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > I do not have an answer to your question. Different people function @@ -20433,53 +12216,12 @@ that I want Axiom as a scientific applications programming language. > time studying Icon. For example, I wanted to add generators (not > co-routines) to C++; among other things I digested Icon's > implementation. That was not too long ago. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLAA-00044H-4G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLA8-000444-21 - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLA6-00043i-2i - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjLA5-00043X-Qn - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjLEo-0008Cx-BB - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:11:14 -0400 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at (login.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.250]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4PJ5o0J042356; - Thu, 25 May 2006 21:05:52 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 25 May 2006 21:05:50 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Peter Broadbery Subject: re: Lisp may not be dead, but... - <85zmhf900r.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <1148416480.7087.68.camel@obscurity.home> - <9qzmh7ds0g.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1148583200.7092.37.camel@obscurity.home> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 May 2006 21:05:50 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Dear Peter, @@ -20514,8 +12256,8 @@ Yes. > Do you need the precise exports of the domain, or is the category enough? -I'd guess that the category is enough. Not sure here. But any progress would be -great, of course. +I'd guess that the category is enough. Not sure here. But any progress +would be great, of course. > Boxing the domains within a common one for axiom's purposes might be possible > - or you've tried that one? @@ -20530,58 +12272,25 @@ Not sure what you mean here. PLEASE do. It seems that you are the only one with the knowledge who is still around! - -Thanks, for everything, - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLHB-0007Dp-2d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLH9-0007Ax-AW - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLH7-000789-In - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjLH7-00077w-Dr - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjLLq-0000Cj-J1 - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:18:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4BA896D478; - Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:36 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 867576D42D; - Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:34 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Lisp may not be dead, but... Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:13:35 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Lisp may not be dead, but... -Thread-Index: AcaALljjYiYhcQtEROqBmZpOf5VxkQAAKU/g From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: re: Lisp may not be dead, but... -Martin,=20 +Martin, On Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:06 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Peter Broadbery writes: ->=20 -> ...=20 -> > Boxing the domains within a common one for axiom's purposes=20 +> +> ... +> > Boxing the domains within a common one for axiom's purposes > > might be possible > > - or you've tried that one? ->=20 +> > Not sure what you mean here. ->=20 +> Perhaps what Peter means is described here: @@ -20595,52 +12304,11 @@ ml http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-09/msg00248.ht ml -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLi9-0001BJ-A2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:41:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLi8-0001Ag-26 - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:41:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjLi5-000187-4I - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:41:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjLi4-000180-Rv - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:41:28 -0400 -Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjLmn-00021C-T4 - for list; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:46:22 -0400 -Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) - by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20060525194124.EEQB29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; - Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:24 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home ([86.3.83.133]) - by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20060525194124.UCEA16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@obscurity.home>; - Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:24 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by obscurity.home (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id - k4PJfnqJ008459; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:51 +0100 -Received: (from pab@localhost) - by obscurity.home (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PJfniU008458; - Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:49 +0100 - Peter Broadbery using -f -Subject: re: Lisp may not be dead, but... +Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:48 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Martin Rubey - <85zmhf900r.fsf@localhost.localdomain> - <1148416480.7087.68.camel@obscurity.home> - <9qzmh7ds0g.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1148583200.7092.37.camel@obscurity.home> - <9qpsi1diwh.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:41:48 +0100 -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: re: Lisp may not be dead, but... On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 21:05 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Peter, @@ -20717,48 +12385,19 @@ in L] run across them before axiom sees them. makeXD has the wrong type - it should be makeXD: (T: X, a: T) -> %, but see comments about .asy files. -> > As far as me trying to update axiom - I never had a great deal of exposure to -> > how the type handling worked in axiom - that said, if there is an obvious way -> > of making dependent types work (and even 1st class domains), I'd be willing -> > to have a stab at it, time permitting. -> +> > As far as me trying to update axiom - I never had a great deal of +> > exposure to how the type handling worked in axiom - that said, if +> > there is an obvious way of making dependent types work (and even +> > 1st class domains), I'd be willing to have a stab at it, time +> > permitting. + > PLEASE do. It seems that you are the only one with the knowledge who is still > around! -> - - - -> -> Thanks, for everything, -> -> Martin --- -Peter Broadbery - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjZdh-0005KL-7m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:33:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjZde-0005HF-Lp - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:33:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjZda-0005BD-N6 - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:33:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjZda-0005B5-3s - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:33:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjZiR-0002El-UR - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:38:48 -0400 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at (aquin.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.163]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4QAXA0J070716 - for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:33:11 +0200 (CEST) -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 May 2006 12:33:10 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Build failure I need Help... @@ -20786,34 +12425,11 @@ make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/pusers/rubey/GoldenAxiom' make: *** [all] Error 2 - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjbCB-0008MJ-Mc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:13:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjbCA-0008MA-Fx - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:13:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FjbC9-0008Lv-MQ - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:13:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjbC9-0008Ls-KP - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:13:33 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjbH2-0002QT-I7 - for list; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:18:36 -0400 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at (aquin.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.163]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4QCDP0J013144; - Fri, 26 May 2006 14:13:26 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 26 May 2006 14:13:24 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Build failure -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 May 2006 14:13:24 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Sorry, it seems to work now. Not unlikely that the directory was currupted )no space left on device...) @@ -20848,44 +12464,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/pusers/rubey/GoldenAxiom' > make: *** [all] Error 2 -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FkS6N-0005rR-WB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:43:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FkS6M-0005po-EX - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:43:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FkS6L-0005pA-Pi - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:43:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkS6L-0005p2-Is - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:43:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FkSBl-0006Gt-Cu - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:48:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F6940E25; - Sun, 28 May 2006 22:43:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.61) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1FkS6G-0001oa-EI; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:43:00 +0200 -To: list, Francois Maltey -From: Francois Maltey Date: 28 May 2006 22:43:00 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: Francois Maltey Subject: axiom becomes crazy ! Hello @@ -20904,10 +12487,6 @@ But a+a makes an error ! (see bellow) Can you detect where is my error ? -Francois. - - - petoncle:/usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp$ axiom -noht AXIOM Computer Algebra System Version: Axiom (December 2005) @@ -20944,74 +12523,20 @@ petoncle:/usr/share/emacs/21.4/lisp$ axiom -noht >> System error: Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged] - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FkTPV-0000kJ-46 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:06:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FkTPU-0000kE-PR - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:06:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FkTPT-0000ji-Us - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:06:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkTPT-0000jf-Qf - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:06:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FkTUu-0008EZ-Fk - for list; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:12:32 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4SM6eYt014126; - Sun, 28 May 2006 18:06:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-30.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.30]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A11D7F405; - Sun, 28 May 2006 18:06:41 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k4SM0PD05777; - Sun, 28 May 2006 18:00:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:00:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Francois Maltey - Maltey on 28 May 2006 22:43:00 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom becomes crazy ! -Cc: list your AXIOM shell variable is not set properly. it should read (pathtoinstallation)/mnt/linux -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlKbN-0002yY-IT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 02:54:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlKbM-0002wX-Cs - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 02:54:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlKbL-0002uG-4c - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 02:54:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlKbK-0002tr-VA - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 02:54:42 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FlKhI-0005t9-DE - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 03:00:52 -0400 -Received: from midori.riic.uni-linz.ac.at ([140.78.161.56]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k4V6EJNQ022894 - for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:14:24 +0200 +Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:54:24 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: list -Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:54:24 +0200 - k4V6EJNQ022894 Subject: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom Hello, @@ -21026,9 +12551,9 @@ users guide: ---- #include "axiom.as" -SI =3D=3D> SingleInteger; +SI ==> SingleInteger; -arigato():PositiveInteger =3D=3D { +arigato():PositiveInteger == { import { printf: (String) -> SI } from Foreign C; import from SI; printf("Arigato gozaimasu!"); @@ -21057,9 +12582,9 @@ users guide: -- #include "axiom.as" -SI =3D=3D> SingleInteger; +SI ==> SingleInteger; -arigato2():PositiveInteger =3D=3D { +arigato2():PositiveInteger == { import { nputs: (SI, String) -> SI } from Foreign C; import from SI; nputs(3,"Arigato gozaimasu!"); @@ -21083,73 +12608,30 @@ Aldor/Axiom? Lisp" call? .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)? -Thanks - -Gernot - ---=20 -Dipl.-Ing. Gernot Hueber - -Johannes-Kepler Universit=C3=A4t -Institut f=C3=BCr Integrierte Schaltungen -Altenbergerstr. 69 -A-4040 Linz -Email: Gernot Hueber -Tel: +43 732 2468 7120 -Fax: +43 732 2468 7126 - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlSCe-0007qB-K4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlSCd-0007px-1q - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlSCa-0007pd-Ou - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlSCa-0007pa-Km - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FlSIc-0005PF-TZ - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:07:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C249769117; - Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:38 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A9D2869107; - Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:36 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:01:34 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom -Thread-Index: AcaEfyKFWmigfSMtT22djXuGwHrJdgAPXjaw From: Bill Page -To: "Gernot Hueber" Gernot Hueber -Cc: list +To: Gernot Hueber +Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:54 AM Gernot Hueber wrote: ->=20 +> > Due to that I want to call external library functions from > within Aldor/Axiom I did some trials with Aldors "Foreign" > and GCL "defentry" commands. > Great! I am very happy you are looking into this. -=20 -> ...=20 + +> ... > Now, my questions: > .) s there a recommended/better way to call external functions > within Aldor/Axiom? > .) I think, the "defentry" part could be added with an Aldor > "Foreign Lisp" call? > .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)? ->=20 +> See: @@ -21178,37 +12660,11 @@ Or via lisp like this: Can you send me the example code for 'nputs.c'? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FldRz-0003In-Ew - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:02:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FldRy-0003Ic-6h - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:02:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FldRx-0003ID-Fl - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:02:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FldRx-0003I9-8w - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:02:17 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.192.83] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FldY6-0004pi-H3 - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP - id <20060601030149m1300fooj0e>; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 03:01:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:01:31 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: list Subject: Re: axiom opportunity - <3d13dcfc0604260848i41240f1di49de3b02ce6ff927@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Axiom is "easily installable" on Gentoo Linux. It's a standard (testing level) package in the Gentoo Portage repository. I'm pretty sure it can @@ -21225,51 +12681,12 @@ David MENTRE wrote: >> > > So why don't you package Axiom for SuSE ? -> -> Best wishes, -> d. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FldVB-0004Tl-76 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:05:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FldV9-0004TM-1x - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:05:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FldV6-0004Sy-QE - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:05:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FldV6-0004So-Kp - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:05:32 -0400 -Received: from [216.148.227.154] (helo=rwcrmhc14.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FldbF-00053m-Rn - for list; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP - id <20060601030530m14009j471e>; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 03:05:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:05:12 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.7 and GCC-4.2.0 - <54odylg1c3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org I've recompiled the Gentoo package of gcl 2.6.7 a couple of times recently with no problems. Perhaps there are some patches you need to diff --git a/book/2006-06.txt b/book/2006-06.txt index 5ca3c67..4eada28 100644 --- a/book/2006-06.txt +++ b/book/2006-06.txt @@ -1,77 +1,56 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Flh9O-0007nf-Hr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:59:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Flh9M-0007nN-Jx - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:59:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Flh9L-0007n0-6x - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:59:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Flh9L-0007mx-3D - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:59:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FlhFW-0003OB-Gw - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:05:42 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k516IiNQ030809; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:18:44 +0200 -Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom +Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:58:52 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Bill Page -Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:58:52 +0200 - k516IiNQ030809 -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 11:01 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > On Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:54 AM Gernot Hueber wrote: ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > Due to that I want to call external library functions from > > within Aldor/Axiom I did some trials with Aldors "Foreign" > > and GCL "defentry" commands. > > ->=20 +> > Great! I am very happy you are looking into this. -> =20 -> > ...=20 +> +> > ... > > Now, my questions: > > .) s there a recommended/better way to call external functions > > within Aldor/Axiom? > > .) I think, the "defentry" part could be added with an Aldor > > "Foreign Lisp" call? > > .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > See: ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign ->=20 +> > The first section containing ->=20 +> > (defentry |myprintf| (string) (int "printf")) ->=20 +> > is compiled as a lisp function but notice that it becomes > part of the BOOT package. Well, I don't get this point, but I have to admit, I have no understanding of the BOOT package. ->=20 +> > Now we can compile some Aldor code that calls this function > and then call the Aldor function from Axiom. ->=20 +> > For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom > command ->=20 +> > )library nputs.o ->=20 +> > Or via lisp like this: ->=20 +> > )lisp (load nputs.o) ->=20 +> > ? Sorry, no success: )lib nputs.o gives me ")library cannot find the file @@ -91,7 +70,7 @@ defentry into Aldor. ->=20 +> > Can you send me the example code for 'nputs.c'? See for the full example: http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap19.html @@ -103,83 +82,36 @@ void nputs(int n, char *s) { int i; - for (i =3D 0; i < n; i++) puts(s); + for (i = 0; i < n; i++) puts(s); } ------ - -Regards - -Gernot - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 ---=20 -DI Gernot Hueber -Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen -Altenbergerstr. 69 -4040 Linz -Tel +43 732 2468 7120 -Fax +43 732 2468 7126 -Email Gernot Hueber -Web www.riic.at - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlpQ1-0003u0-Kc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:49:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlpPz-0003sk-Uf - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:49:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlpPy-0003rQ-Bt - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:49:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlpPy-0003rA-7y - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:49:02 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FlpWE-0002e6-RD - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 11:55:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.drenet.dnd.ca [127.0.0.1]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D88D46BAA0; - Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0CB336BA1A; - Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:48:50 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:48:49 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom -Thread-Index: AcaFSO0BFMy45O8MTwWYlDYDDCTRuAAR4lmA From: Bill Page -To: "Gernot Hueber" Gernot Hueber -Cc: list +To: Gernot Hueber +Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom On Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:59 AM Gernot Hueber wrote: -> > > ...=20 +> > > ... > > > Now, my questions: > > > .) s there a recommended/better way to call external functions > > > within Aldor/Axiom? > > > .) I think, the "defentry" part could be added with an Aldor > > > "Foreign Lisp" call? > > > .) How can I "load", external libraries (e.g. nputs.o)? -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > See: -> >=20 +> > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign -> >=20 +> > > > The first section containing -> >=20 +> > > > (defentry |myprintf| (string) (int "printf")) -> >=20 +> > > > is compiled as a lisp function but notice that it becomes > > part of the BOOT package. ->=20 +> > Well, I don't get this point, but I have to admit, I have no > understanding of the BOOT package. > @@ -202,19 +134,19 @@ rather messy Of course there might be other ways to accomplish this. Maybe someone more knowledgeable about lisp could help? -> >=20 +> > > > For loading an external library did you try the usual Axiom > > command -> >=20 +> > > > )library nputs.o -> >=20 +> > > > Or via lisp like this: -> >=20 +> > > > )lisp (load nputs.o) -> >=20 +> > > > ? ->=20 -> Sorry, no success: )lib nputs.o gives me ")library cannot=20 +> +> Sorry, no success: )lib nputs.o gives me ")library cannot > find the file nputs.", )lisp (load nputs.o) returns > "<< System error: The variable NPUTS is unbound". @@ -222,12 +154,12 @@ That's my confusion. I think what you need is (compiler::link ...) but that is beyond my level of competitence with GCL. Lisp users please help! ->=20 +> > I am thinking of importing defentry into Aldor to define the > C command to Lisp. Something like > ------------- > import {defentry: (??) -> ?} from Foreign Lisp; ->=20 +> > -- call imported defentry to declare C command to underlying Lisp > defentry("printf","string","int"); > ------------- @@ -241,10 +173,10 @@ standard in lisp, so what Aldor does might not be too portable. Since the current versiono of open source Axiom uses gcl, the foreign call mechanism would have to be compatible with this. ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > Can you send me the example code for 'nputs.c'? ->=20 +> > See for the full example: http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap19.html > ---- > /* @@ -254,7 +186,7 @@ foreign call mechanism would have to be compatible with this. > nputs(int n, char *s) > { > int i; -> for (i =3D 0; i < n; i++) puts(s); +> for (i = 0; i < n; i++) puts(s); > } > ----- > @@ -262,41 +194,13 @@ foreign call mechanism would have to be compatible with this. Although I still cannot call this routine as an external library routine, I was able to compile and call it from inside Axiom. See my extended example at: -=20 -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign - -Regards, -Bill Page. - +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorForeign \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlplK-000507-Hn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:11:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlplI-0004z7-Sy - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:11:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FlplG-0004yA-Rh - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:11:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlplG-0004y0-Me - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:11:02 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.190] (helo=web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FlprX-0004pT-Jx - for list; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:17:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20848 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2006 16:10:58 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=cuXUTSrYPR9RCM15VDwvWwboHy3g1fRfgIbARUZPcn+W9xgTaEbjFceLzUSzjqtWkRLjgS7xzZ07jmVQ4M9oZf5Mme6+/h6LRt9hM++mGElbN1wX+d6SdtoUgqWx9PLUwVDHAB6l0dtgSMo9iuwUshUr5nG/jQVel3MWh5sD1TA= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:10:58 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, Gernot Hueber -Cc: list Subject: FFIs and Lisp --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -318,52 +222,11 @@ generate CFFI bindings for some libraries - http://www.swig.org/ I don't know if this is particularly helpful to Axiom, but it is certainly an interesting option to have available. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm4fi-00025R-DB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:06:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm4fg-00023j-G6 - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:06:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm4fb-00020p-MH - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:06:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm4fb-00020f-2A - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:06:11 -0400 -Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fm4lw-0001t0-EK - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:12:49 -0400 -Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) - by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20060602080602.UGKX27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; - Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:06:02 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home ([86.3.83.133]) - by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20060602080601.ZMOW16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@obscurity.home>; - Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:06:01 +0100 -Received: from obscurity.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by obscurity.home (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id - k52863GE008242; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:06:05 +0100 -Received: (from pab@localhost) - by obscurity.home (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k528623T008241; - Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:06:02 +0100 - Peter Broadbery using -f -Subject: Re: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom +Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:06:02 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Gernot Hueber -Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:06:02 +0100 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom > Now, my questions: > .) Is there a recommended/better way to call external functions within @@ -396,40 +259,11 @@ the aldor code. No idea about loading external libraries.. -Peter. - - - --- -Peter Broadbery - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm6Ls-0003OM-DN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm6Lq-0003OE-Po - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:53:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm6Lp-0003O2-TP - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:53:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm6Lp-0003Nz-F0 - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:53:53 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fm6SG-00021I-4O - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:00:32 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k529DMNQ010068; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:13:22 +0200 -Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom +Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:53:48 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Bill Page -Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:53:48 +0200 -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom Hi, @@ -564,38 +398,11 @@ My idea of doing all that is to be able to integrate external libraries into Axiom/Aldor. And there are plenty interesting candidates (e.g. LAPACK, SDPA, ...) -Regards - -Gernot - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm6aw-0007Mv-Hy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:09:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm6av-0007Mo-Ul - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:09:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm6av-0007MU-7T - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:09:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm6av-0007MR-3x - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:09:29 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fm6hM-0002yb-Iv - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:16:08 -0400 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at (aquin.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.163]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k52A890J023364; - Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:08:11 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 02 Jun 2006 12:08:09 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom - <1149242029.59883.12.camel@hawkings> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 02 Jun 2006 12:08:09 +0200 -Cc: list Gernot Hueber writes: @@ -614,38 +421,11 @@ This should read I guess. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm7xP-0002QO-5B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:36:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm7xN-0002Q7-Cv - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:36:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm7xK-0002Pb-Sg - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:36:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm7xK-0002PY-Pw - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:36:42 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fm83n-0000TU-5B - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:43:23 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k52AuDNQ010633; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:56:13 +0200 -Subject: Re: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom +Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:36:40 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey - <1149242029.59883.12.camel@hawkings> - <9qbqtbg99y.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:36:40 +0200 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 12:08 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > Gernot Hueber writes: @@ -672,54 +452,11 @@ nputs.c nputs.o (1) -> -Thanks for your idea. - -Gernot - -> -> I guess. -> -> Martin -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm8hv-0005cA-VV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:24:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm8hu-0005c4-G2 - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:24:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fm8hr-0005ak-SH - for list; 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Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:51:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmAzN-00087C-LX - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:51:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmAzM-00086V-VU - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:51:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmAzM-000861-NV - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:51:00 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FmB5q-0001zg-QU - for list; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:57:43 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-226.anikast.net [206.47.29.226]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k52Enxev029066; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:50:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:49:57 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gernot Hueber Subject: RE: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom -Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:49:57 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On June 2, 2006 5:54 AM Gernot Hueber wrote: @@ -825,43 +535,11 @@ about it than that. +1 -Here, here! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fma5T-0005wa-41 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:38:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fma5Q-0005wO-Rt - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:38:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fma5P-0005wB-T6 - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:38:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fma5P-0005w8-Mb - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:38:55 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FmaC9-0005fM-8m - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:45:53 -0400 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at (login.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.250]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k53HcS0J066611; - Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:38:29 +0200 (CEST) -To: Timothy Daly Tim Daly, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 Jun 2006 19:38:28 +0200 -Cc: -Subject: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - ---=-=-= +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet Dear Tim, @@ -870,8 +548,6 @@ patch 50. If this is not the case, you have to replace [[patch--50]] with the appropriate patch number, as always. ---=-=-= - --- perm.spad.pamphlet 2006-06-04 12:36:44.000000000 +0200 +++ perm.spad.pamphlet.alt 2006-06-04 12:01:23.000000000 +0200 @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ @@ -990,87 +666,22 @@ appropriate patch number, as always. cyclePartition p == ---=-=-= - - -Martin - ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmjZ1-0004jY-Ud - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:46:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmjZ0-0004jQ-Ch - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:46:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmjYy-0004j8-Vs - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:46:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmjYy-0004j5-P8 - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:46:04 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fmjfo-0000Fx-I0 - for list; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:53:08 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k543jjKa006417; - Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:45:49 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-30.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.30]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096687F414; - Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:45:49 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k543dOU10083; - Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:39:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:39:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 03 Jun 2006 19:38:28 +0200) -Cc: list -Subject: Re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet +Subject: Re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet patch applied. thanks. available in the next release (patch-50) can you send an input file that tests the new functionality? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmlfG-000794-Fi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:00:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmlfD-00078S-Rv - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:00:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmlfC-000784-4T - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:00:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmlfB-00077t-Rt - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:00:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fmlm2-0007jJ-F9 - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:07:42 -0400 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at (login.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.250]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k546080J082033; - Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:00:10 +0200 (CEST) -To: Tim Daly - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jun 2006 08:00:08 +0200 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - ---=-=-= +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet Here you go, a new patch including a test case. Thanks for the reminder. @@ -1081,9 +692,6 @@ test packages... it uses libaldor :-( Is there a plan how to convince stephen watt to free aldor at the Bronstein conference? - ---=-=-= - --- perm.spad.pamphlet 2006-06-05 02:58:29.000000000 +0200 +++ /home/martin/axiom--main--1--patch-26/src/algebra/perm.spad.pamphlet 2005-01-25 15:53:20.000000000 +0100 @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ @@ -1213,52 +821,12 @@ conference? cyclePartition p == ---=-=-= - - -Martin - ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmmCE-0000ey-Mp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:34:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmmCD-0000eh-BP - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:34:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmmCB-0000eV-G6 - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:34:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmmCB-0000eS-9j - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:34:43 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FmmJ2-000142-Mb - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:41:48 -0400 -Received: from mua-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k546Y8ZX016657; - Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:34:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-30.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.30]) - by mua-2.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF427F404; - Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:34:13 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k546Rba10126; - Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:27:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:27:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 04 Jun 2006 08:00:08 +0200) - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> - <9qpshpjw9j.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Mike Dewar, list, - Stephen Watt -Subject: Re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet +Subject: Re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet +Cc: Mike Dewar, Stephen Watt > Here you go, a new patch including a test case. Thanks for the reminder. @@ -1320,40 +888,9 @@ to the copyright. i was not privy to any of these discussions. there is no such thing as a simple job. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmxLN-0002eA-93 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:28:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmxLK-0002dx-Ga - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:28:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FmxLI-0002dO-1c - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:28:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmxLH-0002dL-Tf - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:28:51 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FmxSG-00070d-AJ - for list; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:36:04 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54IScN3022578 - for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:28:47 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-30.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.30]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AA87F403 - for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:28:39 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54IMC517808; - Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:22:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:22:12 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: B natural @@ -1368,45 +905,11 @@ interested in a B-natural language design. i'll publish the api in volume 4 once it is complete. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnEVG-0000EN-Ax - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:48:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnDn0-0004xX-1G - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:02:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnDmy-0004vc-2N - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:02:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnDmx-0004vD-QD - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:02:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FnDu6-0003jc-2j - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:09:54 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnDmv-0002wo-Hz - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:02:29 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-11.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.11]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k55C2MSt015531; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:02:22 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 2884D1A940; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:02:28 -0500 (CDT) -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> - <9qpshpjw9j.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Jun 2006 07:02:28 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet Martin Rubey writes: @@ -1417,45 +920,14 @@ Hi Martin, I tried to apply the patch to the silver branch but patch says it is already there. Is that correct? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnEVG-0000Eg-L2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:48:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnDoJ-0006J4-OY - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:03:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnDoH-0006Gh-Vo - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:03:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnDoH-0006GK-He - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:03:53 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnDvP-00041k-Se - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:11:16 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-11.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.11]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k55C3lSt015618; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:03:48 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 0ACB61A940; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:03:53 -0500 (CDT) -To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> - <9qpshpjw9j.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200606040627.k546Rba10126@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Jun 2006 07:03:53 -0500 -Cc: Mike Dewar, Stephen Watt , - list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet +Cc: Mike Dewar, Stephen Watt -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -1471,40 +943,13 @@ Tim -- Please could you put the incremental/intermediate versions on the silver branch? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnEVG-0000Eu-S3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:48:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnDrK-0000Yn-7s - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:07:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnDrA-0000U5-LN - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:06:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnDrA-0000Tj-Bl - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:06:52 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnDyH-0004S6-HV - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:14:14 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-11.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.11]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k55C6nSt015761; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:06:49 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id DC3191A940; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:06:54 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 05 Jun 2006 07:06:54 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: B natural -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2006 07:06:54 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | axiom is made of of many layers, and the interface between the parser | and the rest of the system occurs at pf2sex. (parse form to s-expression). @@ -1525,33 +970,10 @@ Where can I find it? The AXIOM book seems silent about it.... \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnF7B-0002ev-JA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:27:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnF7A-0002eW-Ag - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:27:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnF78-0002dx-1A - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:27:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnF77-0002du-Rm - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:27:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnFEF-0003lv-Fu - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:34:48 -0400 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at (login.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.250]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k55DQ1in018361; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:26:03 +0200 (CEST) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> - <9qpshpjw9j.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xob7quj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Jun 2006 15:26:01 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -1578,36 +1000,11 @@ Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] if you say "yes", it should work out... -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnFCA-0004gi-RK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:32:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnFC8-0004eC-To - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:32:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnFC6-0004bi-Uu - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:32:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFC6-0004bD-Kw - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:32:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnFJF-0004Ir-Qm - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:39:58 -0400 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at (login.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.250]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k55DW1in019714; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:32:02 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 05 Jun 2006 15:32:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: B natural - <87wtbv6c2p.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 05 Jun 2006 15:32:00 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -1622,91 +1019,21 @@ even wrote a parser for Aldor in Aldor once, so he knows...) The SPAD grammar should be more or less a subset of Aldor. But again: forget about SPAD. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnFEU-0007RN-Sa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:35:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnFET-0007RC-H5 - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:35:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnFER-0007QZ-QR - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:35:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFER-0007QS-Fa - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:34:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnFLa-0004SN-V7 - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:42:23 -0400 -Received: from mua-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k55DXtYD001225; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:33:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-30.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.30]) - by mua-3.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6137B7F408; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:34:04 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k55DRcB18423; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:27:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:27:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 05 Jun 2006 15:26:01 +0200) -Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> - <9qpshpjw9j.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xob7quj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9q4pyz7mza.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis yes, i saw that the patch is reversed. but i hand-patch anyway so it had no effect. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnHE4-00066A-Lj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:42:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnHE3-00065O-0z - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:42:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnHE1-00064o-K6 - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:42:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnHE1-00064l-EC - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:42:41 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnHLC-00079K-4M - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:50:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027A11AAF; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:42:35 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736E21A69; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:42:34 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE7F82B8F; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:42:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in - perm.spad.pamphlet - <200606040339.k543dOU10083@localhost.localdomain> - <9qpshpjw9j.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xob7quj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9q4pyz7mza.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list +Subject: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -1716,44 +1043,11 @@ On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote: I did want to confirm before doing anything. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnHJW-0001vb-4L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:48:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnHJU-0001v4-5X - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:48:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnHJS-0001us-Rp - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:48:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnHJS-0001up-OQ - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:48:18 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=smtp-relay.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FnHQd-0007Yn-DI - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:55:43 -0400 -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by smtp-relay.tamu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k55Fm8wN096333; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:48:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Gabriel Dos Reis) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3C282B8D; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:47:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: B natural - <87wtbv6c2p.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qzmgr684v.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Received-SPF: pass (smtp-relay.tamu.edu: 128.194.138.66 is authenticated by a - trusted mechanism) -Cc: list On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -1778,37 +1072,11 @@ base code and add transformations or type system convenient features. OK, thanks for the info. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnIGa-00027w-Tc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:49:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnIGY-00027O-R1 - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:49:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnIGX-000272-E9 - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:49:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnIGX-00026z-5y - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:49:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.182] (helo=imap1u.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FnINi-0004pU-Cm - for list; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:56:46 -0400 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at (login.mat.univie.ac.at [131.130.16.250]) - by imap1u.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k55Glpin068012; - Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:47:53 +0200 (CEST) +Date: 05 Jun 2006 18:47:51 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: B natural - <87wtbv6c2p.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qzmgr684v.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 05 Jun 2006 18:47:51 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -1849,39 +1117,11 @@ probably being: * SPAD doesn't have truly dependent types. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnYbx-0006rr-BV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:16:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnYbu-0006rS-NB - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:16:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnYbr-0006r5-LN - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:16:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnYbr-0006r2-Fo - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:16:27 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.127] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FnYjC-0006Ug-OD - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:24:03 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.58] (hemmecke@parrot.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.37.58]) - by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k56AGM9e001047; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:16:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:16:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: ALLPROSE was: re: patch for - coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet - <200606040627.k546Rba10126@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: ALLPROSE was: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet >> We really should switch to using ALLPROSE, it's MUCH better than the current >> pamphlet stuff. @@ -1953,47 +1193,11 @@ included into a master document. The gain is that one can hyperlink over different .pamphlet files (well, of course one has to tag at certain places, for example using the \defineterm and \useterm commands. -Ralf (the author of ALLPROSE) - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnggK-0001Pn-DO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:53:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnggI-0001PE-RT - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:53:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnggI-0001P1-3O - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:53:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnggH-0001Oq-U4 - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:53:33 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.201] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fngni-0000kv-8B - for list; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:01:14 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s18so903361wxc - for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:53:32 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=nCFd65wFgKzYYbq1sa3Zi3l4df/uTkX1ZAgFMy0ZjsrDYsemAmM2JXaGYuhYk+e0z9Jau/fjKA/MB/HQQqR5y8dXfw39Th8sQfq0P4ljOT3NPzfDuT49jmBxZvYklBMwMRziwEhP+Geo+7f1SFKCJWTaugEy+GBwFmhO0B+If18= -Received: by 10.70.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr7935042wxw; - Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:53:32 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.8 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:53:32 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: B natural - boundary="----=_Part_35888_32278577.1149620012858" - <87wtbv6c2p.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qzmgr684v.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - -Cc: list - -------=_Part_35888_32278577.1149620012858 Hello, @@ -2038,60 +1242,11 @@ I think implementing an Aldor interpreter in one of the ML should be fairly doable and will be an interesting project due to it's type system( I have no experience implementing interpreter/compiler in Lisp) -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_35888_32278577.1149620012858 - -Hello,

On 6/5/06, Gabriel Dos Reis <Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote:
-On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Martin Rubey wrote:

| Gabriel Dos Reis <Gabriel Dos Reis> writes:
|
| > Also, I have been looking for the a formal grammar description of SPAD. -
| > Where can I find it?  The AXIOM book seems silent about it....
|
| Forget about SPAD, go for Aldor.

The source code of the Aldor compiler is not available; SPAD's is.  I
heard there are talks tomove on that front, but how long we have to wait. -
I cannot tell my students to wait till next year or so.
Yes, of course I can initiate a mini project where where they will
build an Aldor-like translator, but I rather have them start with a
base code and add transformations or type system convenient features. -

My personal experience with SPAD was quite painful, dumping pages of sexp as error message for example.

I am developing my holonomic packages in Aldor with libAxiom and even if there is still some rough edges the experience is more enjoyable. -
The documentation is way better, the compiler as better error message functionality.

I think the type system need a more formal description, I will like better inferencing, but as the type system is very complex I am not sure this can be done soundly. -

My CS grad student two cents will go that is better to focus your effort on Aldor.
I am not sure on how, bringing SPAD up to speed ? A new implementation of Aldor, maybe just an interpreter ?

I think implementing an Aldor interpreter in one of the ML should be fairly doable and will be an interesting project due to it's type system( I have no experience implementing interpreter/compiler in Lisp) -

Regards,
Antoine Hersen
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Yes, I agree. However imperfect it is, it has the virtue that its source code is available so that people can improve it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnxMf-0005B6-4p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnxMd-0005An-Ra - for list; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FnxMd-0005AS-5q - for list; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnxMc-0005AP-V9 - for list; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FnxUD-0000OV-6Q - for list; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:50:13 -0400 -Received: from ramirez.riic.uni-linz.ac.at (ramirez.riic.uni-linz.ac.at - [140.78.161.6]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k57C1ONQ012389 - for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0200 -Received: (qmail 70886 invoked by uid 89); 7 Jun 2006 12:42:19 -0000 -From: "hueber\"P" Gernot Hueber -To: list Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:42:19 +0200 +From: Gernot Hueber +To: list Subject: Call Foreign C from Aldor/Axiom (fwd) - Hi Camm and the Axiom developers, I want to summarize my attempts to load external C libraries/functions @@ -2337,46 +1465,11 @@ On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 10:49 -0400, Bill Page wrote: > > +1 > -> Here, here! -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fp8bM-0002uJ-LU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:54:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fp8bL-0002tu-8B - for list; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:54:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fp8bJ-0002ta-Kc - for list; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:54:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fp8bJ-0002tX-Hl - for list; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:54:25 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.191] (helo=web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fp8jd-0003K8-LQ - for list; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:03:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 86044 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2006 18:54:24 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=FLxU8dOVIMXjUpvBY6d61UpUPD+Eib7fNDwg5A3FvQ9SIdMLUAQgvSxL/UFV9e2QDoOast+xOHgn5SROiVHcC4TYBTEtctT2ZmBs9tohJw2c6leBSuezXXy+dy4kRnCaplehTjkBIy6/nJeiAHTxhAT/JPS4bK974FJ71pHGQWE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:54:23 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: ALLPROSE was: re: patch for - coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet To: Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: Re: ALLPROSE was: re: patch for coercePreImagaesImages in perm.spad.pamphlet Ralf, I know you have undertaken a number of times to explain the ALLPROSE idea to us, so feel free to laugh at me and send me to the @@ -2499,52 +1592,12 @@ into and also used by the unit test system. Sorry if I'm misconstruing the idea of ALLPROSE - I know my grasp of it still isn't there yet. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FpPPI-0004eD-09 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:51:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FpPPG-0004dz-Ei - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:51:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FpPPD-0004dm-Vh - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:51:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FpPPD-0004dj-SK - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:51:03 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.92.169] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FpPXi-0005XY-AZ - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:50 -0400 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so1955587uge - for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; - b=ZNwojLyjXKqH6BUn2qMYV4qqukrpSQcrdtnVNcYU4Jq0T8+TFweL8UKAvhCpiI2BQYN/Ee6Ibkwb2OjG4S6gprBx83oVT5yBaexMgy4gs1fYmaxWMzf9TFIjxs9H0fTkj3gPGaI1qPCDRRwHXGeXLclQArf1QBY3gRiJpjX3xmQ= -Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr4158756ugj; - Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.67.28.6 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:51:00 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly, - list, "Bill Page" Bill Page - boundary="----=_Part_6955_13719449.1150030260237" -Cc: gilbert baumslag , - Gilbert Baumslag , - Jose Mestizo , Wilken Rivera , - Yegor Bryukhov +To: Tim Daly, Bill Page Subject: Doyen Virtual Machine - -------=_Part_6955_13719449.1150030260237 +Cc: Gilbert Baumslag, Jose Mestizo, Wilken Rivera, Yegor Bryukhov Hello everyone, @@ -2577,106 +1630,23 @@ DoyenVmware directory created. You can download the Doyen iso image at: Please do not hesitate contacting me if you have any question or if you run into any problem while downloading any of the packages or running them. -Regards, +\start +Date: 11 Jun 2006 14:39:38 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: axiom mailing list --- -Jose Alfredo Perez +Hi Bill, -------=_Part_6955_13719449.1150030260237 - -
Hello everyone,

Following Mr. Tim Daly's suggestion, I have -uploaded a virtual machine configuration file for the Doyen CD using -VMWare.  This should allow to run  the  Doyen CD in different operating -systems, especially Windows, allowing for a more easy demonstration of -the Doyen idea and the scientific software it contains (Axiom, Magnus, -CAISS-STAT, LatexWiki). -

- The VMWare Player is freely available at http://www.vmware.com/download/player/

- -- After having the VMWare player installed you need to download the DoyenVMWare configuration: -

          zip: http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.zip -      

          or

          tar: - -http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/DoyenVmware.tar.gz

- -After unpacking this file, place the doyen iso image inside the -DoyenVmware directory created. You can download the Doyen iso image at:

-          http://alfredo.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen-42206.iso

- Using the VMWare player look for the -Doyen.vmx file and run it.

Please -do not hesitate contacting me if you have any question or if you run -into any problem while downloading any of the packages or running them. -

Regards,
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Jose Alfredo Perez + Can we have a link from the front page to the AxiomCommunity page? -------=_Part_6955_13719449.1150030260237-- +Also, I would like to request a mailing list - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FpVmO-00016T-41 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:39:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FpVmN-00016O-Df - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:39:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FpVmJ-00015J-Ne - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:39:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FpVmJ-00015G-Hc - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:39:19 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FpVus-0007Ao-6P - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:48:10 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-21.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.21]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5BJdGSt021758; - Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:39:16 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id EBDC11A945; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:39:38 -0500 (CDT) -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jun 2006 14:39:38 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: axiom mailing list - - -Hi Bill, - - Can we have a link from the front page to the AxiomCommunity page? - -Also, I would like to request a mailing list - - axiom-testresults@lists.sourceforge.net + axiom-testresults@lists.sourceforge.net where one could send nightly results of build and various testings. -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fpbnk-0005ql-1M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:05:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fpbnh-0005n8-Ke - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:05:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fpbng-0005mq-EX - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:05:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fpbng-0005mn-8j - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:05:08 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.184] (helo=web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FpbwI-0007q4-M7 - for list; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:14:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 55841 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 02:04:53 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=tTFByZPJ95ObjsTc1AKc/9YJVDjR2k5IrMDtfi+m8KMoHdL/9oq3afxlfXtceD1vj5TWR0ORIx9tcMO5G+q7yiOjZazoVc1gIq8CJ1Pv50twGAcl/B1V/Wpo6bT+86qI2eaYqtHNLxQJfLAa+OehQFttLB+UfX1/4RSzcxy9e+M= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:04:53 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -2711,43 +1681,10 @@ ToC or this format, and had an opinion. If these folks are fairly significant they might be a logical partner to work with towards a common goal of universal bibliography formats and entries. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqQYC-0007CD-OG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:16:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqQYA-00077U-Im - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:16:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqQY8-000743-Re - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:16:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqQY8-00073r-Ok - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:16:28 -0400 -Received: from [209.86.89.63] (helo=elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqQhG-0007XC-Um - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:25:55 -0400 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; - b=syr5jdgHhTMQNmbb+HpCopqaxK9VONgmawEKPWRfpP25TZXxLO3JJ6A7nopQmykn; - h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; -Received: from [68.164.94.83] (helo=clifford.harke.org) - by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) - id 1FqQY7-0006Hp-He - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:16:27 -0400 +Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:24:00 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: list -Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:24:00 -0700 - charset="us-ascii" Subject: CVS: missing files I've gotten the CVS check-out of Axiom from savannah.nongnu.org @@ -2755,210 +1692,73 @@ and am trying to build it. I get an error on fat_strings.c in gcl-2.6.8pre/o file not found bfd.h and bfdlink.h Note: this is Kubuntu linux on an AMD64 -Richarrd Harke - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqRo6-0008WO-88 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:37:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqRo4-0008U5-3u - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:37:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqRo2-0008T9-Iu - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:36:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqRo2-0008T6-Dy - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:36:58 -0400 -Received: from [212.94.174.67] (helo=smtp.cegetel.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FqRxB-0005BA-1k - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:46:25 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.1.15] (84-4-162-66.adslgp.cegetel.net [84.4.162.66]) - by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CBE1A4234 - for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:17:10 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:17:44 +0200 From: Michel Lavaud To: list -Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:17:44 +0200 -Priority: normal Subject: Name of Axiom book Hello, -May I suggest to give some way to indicate the version or date of creation= - of -Axiom book on the download page, or in the name of the book to avoid -downloading several times the same version (for example book2_2006-06-10.p= -df) -? - -Best wishes, -Michel - -Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr -http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX -ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX -liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr -Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu -"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr - - - +May I suggest to give some way to indicate the version or date of +creation of Axiom book on the download page, or in the name of the +book to avoid downloading several times the same version (for example +book2_2006-06-10.pdf) ? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqTL2-0002KL-Bi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:15:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqTL0-0002Jz-H7 - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:15:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqTKz-0002IV-2U - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:15:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqTKy-0002IO-WA - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:15:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqTU8-0003eL-TE - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:24:33 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EBEfHr002097; - Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:14:45 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-30.zoominternet.net - [72.23.19.30]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C7B7F403; - Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:14:45 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k5EB8Al32326; - Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:08:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:08:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Richard Harke - Harke on Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:24:00 -0700) Subject: Re: CVS: missing files -Cc: list please post a console log so we can see where the error might occur. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fqdo2-0001jn-KZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:25:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fqdo0-0001g1-9y - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:25:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fqdny-0001eG-Ri - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:25:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqdny-0001dy-IV - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:25:42 -0400 -Received: from [212.94.174.67] (helo=smtp.cegetel.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FqdxE-0003J8-OD - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.1.15] (84-4-10-69.adslgp.cegetel.net [84.4.10.69]) - by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A611B1A4141 - for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:39 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:26:11 +0200 From: Michel Lavaud To: list -Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:26:11 +0200 -Priority: normal Subject: Doyen cd with French Hello, I tried to use the Doyen Cd, and I met the following problems: -- The password doyen@org is not trivial - first to remember and next to ty= -pe with a -French keyboard : one has to type Shift+2 to get @, and so "doyenShift+2or= -g" in -order to be able to select the French keyboard, and the keys typed appear = -as -asterisks of course (since one has to enter the root password to be able t= -o change -keyboard). I would suggest to hit just Enter, if it is possible ? Otherwis= -e, at least write -the password in the Doyen-Wiki, with the set of keys to be typed on a Fren= -ch (and -other languages) keyboard, in order to change keyboard config. I think the= - Doyen -wiki is a natural place to look (at least it is where I looked !). But the= - password was -not there (or is it somewhere I did not find?), and I had to find it on an= -other PC, in -archived mails of the axiom-developer list. A bit complicated, and probabl= -y almost -impossible to find for a newcomer to Axiom?. - -- For next releases, I wonder if it would not be better to use Knoppix for= - the core, -instead of Fedora ? My PCs are networked to Internet through an ADSL modem= -- -router, and Knoppix found it so I was able to connect to Internet without = -any -additional configuration. With the Doyen CD, I could not connect to Intern= -et and the -adress of the modem-router was detected incorrectly as first DNS address (= -instead -of gateway, as correctly found by Knoppix). - -- The Doyen CD does not recognize hard disks with ntfs partitions (cannot = -read) -while Knoppix is able to read them. - -But maybe there are other PC configs that Fedora would analyze correctly b= -ut not -Knoppix, so it is more a question than a suggestion. Or maybe there are no= -w newer -Fedora (I used the latest Knoppix, dated 2 june 2006). +- The password doyen@org is not trivial - first to remember and next +to type with a French keyboard : one has to type Shift+2 to get @, and +so "doyenShift+2org" in order to be able to select the French +keyboard, and the keys typed appear as asterisks of course (since one +has to enter the root password to be able to change keyboard). I would +suggest to hit just Enter, if it is possible ? Otherwise, at least +write the password in the Doyen-Wiki, with the set of keys to be typed +on a French (and other languages) keyboard, in order to change +keyboard config. I think the Doyen wiki is a natural place to look (at +least it is where I looked !). But the password was not there (or is +it somewhere I did not find?), and I had to find it on another PC, in +archived mails of the axiom-developer list. A bit complicated, and +probably almost impossible to find for a newcomer to Axiom?. + +- For next releases, I wonder if it would not be better to use Knoppix +for the core, instead of Fedora ? My PCs are networked to Internet +through an ADSL modem- router, and Knoppix found it so I was able to +connect to Internet without any additional configuration. With the +Doyen CD, I could not connect to Internet and the adress of the +modem-router was detected incorrectly as first DNS address (instead of +gateway, as correctly found by Knoppix). + +- The Doyen CD does not recognize hard disks with ntfs partitions +(cannot read) while Knoppix is able to read them. + +But maybe there are other PC configs that Fedora would analyze +correctly but not Knoppix, so it is more a question than a +suggestion. Or maybe there are now newer Fedora (I used the latest +Knoppix, dated 2 june 2006). Anyway, despite these problems, very nice job, thanks a lot ! -Best wishes, - - -Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr -http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX -ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX -liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr -Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu -"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fqed6-0004ag-Ak - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:18:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fqed4-0004YE-QE - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:18:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fqed4-0004X0-3z - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:18:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqed4-0004Wt-15 - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:18:30 -0400 -Received: from [209.86.89.66] (helo=elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqemK-0006aQ-Sv - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:28:05 -0400 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; - b=MB+1PMtTtfG5uZK1xAHsshdcCC3ThGkYodiq9G75iubKx91EPHGHZ3xTZUhZkv4O; - h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; -Received: from [68.164.94.83] (helo=clifford.harke.org) - by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) - id 1Fqed2-00069e-Vy - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:18:29 -0400 +Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:26:02 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: list -Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:26:02 -0700 - charset="us-ascii" Subject: No rule to make target Still trying to build axiom on AMD64. getting much farther. @@ -3007,40 +1807,11 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harke/Axiom-cvs/axiom' make: *** [all] Error 2 -Richard Harke - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqwVm-0006IW-Hg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqwVk-0006Hr-Vh - for list; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqwVk-0006HV-4y - for list; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqwVj-0006HS-VE - for list; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:08 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.191] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FqwfB-0002tE-LA - for list; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:33:53 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a4so360511nfc - for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:24:06 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=Sle3iyrq+sSF4PSOf10rIBhcRD6UBnMiz1chH5p0D1plbC1OuVpHN76tCq9+T2OOeOEeCdORqgWw+vO1H40wgi8UW8ZbMBWyo+lnPrgl7L/EOWQuQaLk4KdmtI68sOob9cw3hwG0B/nSVU3L/RpYm7/LoIkibKkEa3l8mF4dz5Y= -Received: by 10.49.15.8 with SMTP id s8mr1225902nfi; - Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:24:06 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.49.34.12 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:05 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Michel Lavaud" Michel Lavaud +To: Michel Lavaud Subject: Re: Doyen cd with French -Cc: list Hi Michel, @@ -3115,39 +1886,11 @@ actually be better for people who prefer KDE than Gnome). Thank you very much, if you have more suggestions just let me know. -Regards, - -Jose Alfredo Perez - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fr95T-0003wT-Iy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:49:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fr95S-0003tm-8A - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:49:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fr95O-0003nc-TR - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:49:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr95O-0003nP-O0 - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:49:46 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.127] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fr9Ey-0004lB-8H - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:59:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.58] (hemmecke@parrot.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.37.58]) - by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k5G7nhbM021269 - for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:49:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:49:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: list Subject: Re: CVS: missing files - <44926231.6010705@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> I had the same problem some time ago. @@ -3161,39 +1904,11 @@ Ralf > gcl-2.6.8pre/o > file not found bfd.h and bfdlink.h > Note: this is Kubuntu linux on an AMD64 -> -> Richarrd Harke - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrFWG-0008CN-Jm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:41:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrFWF-00089c-1M - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:41:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrFWD-00086M-D9 - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:41:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFWD-00086B-9A - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:41:53 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrFfq-0004qp-Rv - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:51:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 81869 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 14:41:48 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=b/HzlC1yFDk82ViuLlYD0bxXQs4BjYSmuDBgtxlxaiorm/jY1OtHGeA/AzNo2elihACobBgxUwOLKJTEE1doR2gGddGXFN6RWJLMHSSfB8COIJzDMUmNuci8ET/JJsPVOIHfwXXSnofDvLSQiXBfHyEbTcf1jwM4p4HSw6rxBLo= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:48 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Alfredo Portes, - "Michel Lavaud" Michel Lavaud -Cc: list +To: Alfredo Portes, Michel Lavaud Subject: Live CDs - silly question Out of curosity, has anyone ever tried to run a LiveCD using a virtual @@ -3204,46 +1919,11 @@ It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes more sense to just create an image in that case. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrFtV-0003zv-5J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrFtT-0003zj-PY - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrFtS-0003zV-2R - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrFtR-0003zS-UJ - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FrG35-0000n4-T7 - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:15:51 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrFtP-0007Zq-O0 - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:51 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-190-23.anikast.net [207.61.190.23]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k5GF5R8B026493; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Live CDs - silly question Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:05:26 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Live CDs - silly question Cliff, @@ -3268,44 +1948,11 @@ open source but it is free. I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar with Xen. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrGvf-00044x-Ty - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:12:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrGve-00044f-5w - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:12:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrGvc-00044T-TV - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:12:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrGvc-00044Q-Qz - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:12:12 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.184] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrH5H-0007wE-GJ - for list; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:22:11 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a4so824858nfc - for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=sQ0yXfmR2aXgmUxSsVIkfpa1zrW4nDLcY3yGctB2NUuY11+xUTsizsPHC8n2AlovgOkLaYaytToWgN2sqtKwLsXhl7k8nhQlVj6mjE1tCGM2duYr/HQGxfbfUtJpxb9NHEZltE7cKYEB22uyrZaO8OH00UUgRNMnVPRJlsy0Vgo= -Received: by 10.49.81.20 with SMTP id i20mr1883704nfl; - Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.49.34.12 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:12:11 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp, - "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, Bill Page Subject: Re: Live CDs - silly question - <009501c69156$54d2e480$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Cliff, @@ -3347,46 +1994,11 @@ On 6/16/06, Bill Page wrote: > > I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar > with Xen. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FraAm-0004u8-GA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:45:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqRrB-0002pg-0n - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:40:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqRrA-0002pD-Bn - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:40:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqRrA-0002pA-A3 - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:40:12 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1FqS0I-0005Kf-TU - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:49:39 -0400 -Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1FqRqz-0004mR-WE - for list; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:40:02 +0200 -Received: from codephrenic.plus.com ([81.174.168.223]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:40:01 +0200 -Received: from public by codephrenic.plus.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:40:01 +0200 -To: list -From: Richard Putman Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:36:21 +0100 -Cancel-Lock: sha1:mG+sM9sFX4uf4U6GvQtGekWaJyI= +From: Richard Putman +To: list Subject: Re: CVS: missing files Hi, @@ -3409,44 +2021,12 @@ Richard Harke writes: > and am trying to build it. I get an error on fat_strings.c in gcl-2.6.8pre/o > file not found bfd.h and bfdlink.h > Note: this is Kubuntu linux on an AMD64 -> -> Richarrd Harke - --- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrgcN-0005Df-Cf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:38:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrgcM-0005C4-4o - for list; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:38:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FrgcK-00059S-7W - for list; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:38:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FrgcJ-000590-Qh - for list; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:37:59 -0400 -Received: from [209.86.89.63] (helo=elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FrgmE-0007qK-Cy - for list; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:48:14 -0400 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; - b=sPP30uJ+EoE9p7fSTFl53zXqM4CtbFS7Dp1r6POqCb06VjHwUlTooE9k/yvwFaIs; - h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; -Received: from [68.164.94.152] (helo=clifford.harke.org) - by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) - id 1FrgcI-0003un-06 - for list; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:37:58 -0400 +Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:45:36 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: list Subject: re: CVS: missing files -Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:45:36 -0700 - <87hd2om63u.fsf@physics.org> - charset="iso-8859-1" On Wed June 14 2006 02:36, Richard Putman wrote: > Hi, @@ -3474,121 +2054,37 @@ Richard > > and am trying to build it. I get an error on fat_strings.c in > > gcl-2.6.8pre/o file not found bfd.h and bfdlink.h > > Note: this is Kubuntu linux on an AMD64 -> > -> > Richarrd Harke - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjLm-0006rS-5b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjLk-0006oz-EM - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjLh-0006ks-Rl - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjLf-0006gB-M3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:07 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FsjWE-0002bH-En; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:02 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1FsjLd-0005UL-00; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 20 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: new Debian axiom release Greetings! Am updating gcl for etch to 2.6.8. Are there newer axiom sources which should be released now, or should I simply rebuild the 20050901 sources? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjVj-0004kH-Se - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:55:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjVi-0004jN-As - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:55:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjVf-0004iQ-MX - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:55:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsjVf-0004iN-Hu; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:55:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1FsjgD-00042s-US; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:06:22 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KGseOp031561; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:54:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-205.zoominternet.net [72.23.18.205]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E9E7F40D; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:54:51 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k5KGm5I11572; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:48:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:48:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - Maguire on 20 Jun 2006 12:45:05 -0400) -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: new Debian axiom release Camm, The latest sources were released in April 2006 --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsrCm-00006G-S0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsrCl-00005J-84 - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FsrCj-0008WS-HN - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsrCj-0008WP-CI - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FsrNM-0006KP-Sh - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:19:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 73714697E0; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:23 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B84F86985C; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:13 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Doyen -Thread-Index: AcaSO7TSL5eS0QuCTvSogOGQ0GPsrACiM0xg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: RE: Doyen -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, On Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:28 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Hope your conference went ok. Yes. The presentations were of mixed quality but meeting old @@ -3600,7 +2096,7 @@ published. Great. I trust you will continue to let me know how I can help. ->=20 +> > Wilken has more experience than me working on Web designs and > probably he could come up with a better layout for the content > on the CD. I would like to ask you if you can tell me which @@ -3664,7 +2160,7 @@ additonal people. You might want to advertise on the FrontPage that people can send you their updates and corrections to these pages. ->=20 +> > Also, I would like to know if the "Axiom+Aldor (binary, > 48.8 Mbytes) LatexWiki Image Recommended Download" is recent > enough to put in the CD. @@ -3679,11 +2175,11 @@ Are you actually planning to run this version of Axiom+Aldor to allow the use of \begin{aldor} ... \end{aldor} on the DoyenCD? Or just have it there for local installation? ->=20 +> > I have included this and the windows installer in the CD so > people can install Axiom without having to boot the Live CD > like we discussed. ->=20 +> Great. @@ -3699,45 +2195,12 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenCD I think a little more effort could easily produce a better label. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FstCH-00085H-KR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:16:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FstCG-00084r-Ep - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:16:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FstCF-000849-Gh - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:16:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FstCF-000846-B2 - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:16:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FstMu-0006Nt-BZ - for list; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:27:04 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L3FebJ014720; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:15:46 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-205.zoominternet.net [72.23.18.205]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6237F409; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:15:44 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k5L38vJ11723; - Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:08:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:08:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: Alfredo Portes, - "Wilken Rivera" - (mathaction-bounces@axiom-developer.org) -Cc: gilbert baumslag , list, - Emil Volcheck, MathAction +From: Tim Daly +To: Alfredo Portes, Wilken Rivera Subject: Re: [DoyenCD] Doyen Build 19/06/2006 +Cc: Gilbert Baumslag, Emil Volcheck Jose, Wilken, @@ -3760,41 +2223,11 @@ label directly onto the CD) so it all looks professional. Assuming you have no objections the CD will have both of your names burned in front surface. Let me know if this is ok. ---t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fsxf1-000765-4q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:02:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fsxey-00075N-MN - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:02:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fsxev-00074A-MD - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:01:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fsxev-00073w-Ac - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:01:57 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fsxpc-0006H4-R9 - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:13:01 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Fsxeq-0005Mq-C1; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:01:52 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Fsxeq-0002LN-9d; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:01:52 +0200 +Date: 21 Jun 2006 10:01:51 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: re: Doyen -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 Jun 2006 10:01:51 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -3809,41 +2242,11 @@ Bill Page writes: I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few bugs have been fixed meenwhile. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft02v-0007if-Pw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:34:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft02u-0007iX-93 - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:34:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft02s-0007iL-Rm - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:34:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ft02s-0007iI-Oj - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:34:50 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.187] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft0Db-0002xS-Pd - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:45:56 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so76034nfa - for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:34:49 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=bCXims5MMOYqLdL6h6I+ZIBSu5udl67iFgmlPL0UbtSjeQQ+ljwFv+3mpEP0zR6pvSlJ2OzxMp3Quvej204TMgN5xD32wboJXaP8Z6TlJYAqh7B1wddv/wuOomVByHiQA9vewxACxflo9jGMUWwGPjUMfSpS0CtE4SatFK/Crmw= -Received: by 10.49.3.3 with SMTP id f3mr427480nfi; - Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:34:49 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.49.34.12 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:34:49 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Doyen - <9qfyhzkkcw.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list The machine I was using to build the latest Axiom sources was removed from the CAISS lab :(. Unfortunately, I have lost all the data, and I was @@ -3869,65 +2272,34 @@ On 21 Jun 2006 10:01:51 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few bugs have been fixed > meenwhile. -> -> Martin -> -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft1CN-00068M-AI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft1CK-00065V-DQ - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft1CI-00064W-B4 - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ft1CI-00064S-6n - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:38 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft1N1-0005cY-UK - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:59:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 22EC86A984; - Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:37 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 714126A8BE; - Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:36 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Doyen Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:48:36 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Doyen -Thread-Index: AcaVHlbXDOGxAVs8TTmj7kboLBR2/AACTKQg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +Subject: re: Doyen Alfredo, On Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:35 AM you wrote: ->=20 -> The machine I was using to build the latest Axiom sources was=20 +> +> The machine I was using to build the latest Axiom sources was > removed from the CAISS lab :(. Unfortunately, I have lost all > the data, and I was not able to include this version of Axiom > in the new Doyen build. ->=20 +> > I do not know if somebody has the binaries for Fedora Core 3 > of this latest Axiom. I would really appreciate if somebody > can make them available. ->=20 +> Thanks to Martin's "push" I took the time to re-compile Axiom with the newest sources (tla update) and re-built the Axiom-Aldor interface. This version is now installed on the Axiom wiki and can be downloaded from: -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz=20 +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz This tarball contains both Axiom and Aldor. It is a direct replacement for the previous version you are using in the Doyen @@ -3937,7 +2309,7 @@ iso file. Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > On 21 Jun 2006 10:01:51 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > Bill Page writes: > > @@ -3949,44 +2321,17 @@ Bill Page. > > > Axiom, but it is exactly what we are still running in the > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org site right now. > > -> > I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few=20 +> > I would suggest that you get a newer version. Quite a few > > bugs have been fixed meenwhile. > > - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft1NV-0001If-KB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft1NR-0001FO-BN - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ft1NO-0001DW-VK - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ft1NO-0001DT-Fi - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft1Y8-0006SH-Bt - for list; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:11:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 990206A7C2; - Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:05 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DD59C6A469; - Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:04 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:00:06 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Doyen -Thread-Index: AcaVJxlnT9RRM0tiQm2Pn3aGWiPq4AAAnwSw From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: RE: Doyen -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, On Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 AM you wrote: > @@ -3994,7 +2339,7 @@ On Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 AM you wrote: > > Are you actually planning to run this version of Axiom+Aldor > > to allow the use of \begin{aldor} ... \end{aldor} on the > > DoyenCD? Or just have it there for local installation? ->=20 +> > I did not try the \begin{aldor}...\end{aldor} inside the wiki. > Do not know if I need to change anything to get this feature > to work besides having aldor installed locally. @@ -4011,40 +2356,10 @@ This has already been done in the binary tarball http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtGRJ-00042S-T4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtGRI-00040b-7Z - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtGRG-0003yW-R1 - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtGRG-0003yT-MR - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:06 -0400 -Received: from [209.86.89.63] (helo=elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtGc9-0004bI-VY - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:16:22 -0400 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; - b=M/0kwQBQgLu95jMEWWUdTPoX0hrKOTSH6efEoZmDGivIEKUKtyjbbszM+tjaf9Ei; - h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; -Received: from [68.164.94.152] (helo=clifford.harke.org) - by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) - id 1FtGRF-0003dn-Jy - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:05 -0400 +Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:12:50 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: list -Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:12:50 -0700 - charset="us-ascii" Subject: Advi I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top @@ -4058,40 +2373,12 @@ version for Ubuntu. But it requires installing ocaml which wants a different version of gcc. Currently I have been running dvipdf and using kpdf. Is anyone using advi or are there any other good alternatives? -Richard Harke - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtGw2-0004ah-Sz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:36:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtGw0-0004ZK-Qu - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:36:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtGvv-0004WL-UW - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:36:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtGvv-0004W8-RC - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:36:47 -0400 -Received: from [193.124.167.24] (helo=inpbox.inp.nsk.su) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtH6p-00072q-BN - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:48:03 -0400 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su ([193.124.167.6]) - by inpbox.inp.nsk.su with esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1FtGvY-0003ri-Q9; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:36:24 +0700 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M4aOgd006317; - Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:36:24 +0700 -Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k5M4aJRi006309; - Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:36:24 +0700 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:36:19 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Richard Harke Subject: Re: Advi -Cc: list On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Richard Harke wrote: > I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top @@ -4109,37 +2396,11 @@ I also find xdvi rather inconvenient; I think kdvi is much better. I usually use dvips and view ps by gv (a front end to ghostscript). If you prefer pdf, I think it's better to use dvipdfm. -Andrey - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtKPT-0007is-Iy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:19:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtKPR-0007ii-Cg - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:19:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtKPO-0007hn-Kr - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:19:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtKPO-0007hk-HS - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:19:26 -0400 -Received: from [212.94.174.67] (helo=smtp.cegetel.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FtKaK-0005wX-8s - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:30:44 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.1.15] (84-4-127-98.adslgp.cegetel.net [84.4.127.98]) - by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099F71A4FF2; - Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:19:22 +0200 (CEST) +Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:20:11 +0200 From: Michel Lavaud To: Alfredo Portes -Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:20:11 +0200 Subject: Re: Doyen cd with French -Priority: normal -Cc: list Hello Alfredo, @@ -4257,48 +2518,11 @@ I see, so Fedora is a very reasonable choice, you're right I will download your new version this week end and have a try. -Best wishes, -Michel - -Michel.Lavaud@univ-orleans.fr -http://www.univ-orleans.fr/EXT/ASTEX -ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/pub/tex/PC/AsTeX -liste de discussion: astex@univ-orleans.fr -Abonnement =E0 la liste: envoyer un message de contenu -"sub astex Nom Prenom Etablissement" =E0 sympa@univ-orleans.fr - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtMDz-0002no-A6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:15:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtMDx-0002mw-3M - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:15:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtMDv-0002mY-FK - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:15:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtMDv-0002mV-Bj - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:15:43 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1FtMOr-00035O-RT - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:27:02 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k5MAFbbx015117 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:15:37 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:15:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Richard Harke Subject: Re: Advi - -Cc: list Have you tried xdvik? @@ -4326,39 +2550,12 @@ On 06/22/2006 06:36 AM, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > I also find xdvi rather inconvenient; I think kdvi is much better. > I usually use dvips and view ps by gv (a front end to ghostscript). > If you prefer pdf, I think it's better to use dvipdfm. -> -> Andrey - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtNzc-0004Pr-NN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:09:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtNza-0004NR-8B - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:09:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtNzX-0004L1-CM - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:09:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtNzX-0004Kn-7b - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:08:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.27] (helo=smtp4.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtOAT-0005Js-Hk - for list; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:20:18 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-102-16.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-102-16.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.207.55.16]) - by mwinf0412.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 81F021C00167; - Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:08:54 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Advi -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Richard Harke Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:11:04 +0200 -Cc: list - - ---=-rIWA0Ys8DBr03Dddn0wG +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Richard Harke +Subject: Re: Advi Le mercredi 21 juin 2006 =E0 21:12 -0700, Richard Harke a =E9crit : > I pulled the CVS version of Axiom. The README file in the top @@ -4374,8 +2571,8 @@ y > version for Ubuntu. It's packaged. See: -http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=3Dadvi&sea= -rchon=3Dnames&subword=3D1&version=3Dall&release=3Dall +http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=advi&sea= +rchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all So you need to activate universe and multiverse in your /etc/apt/sources.list. Attached is a sources.list sample for @@ -4395,109 +2592,91 @@ Greg > Currently I have been running dvipdf and using kpdf. > Is anyone using advi or are there any other good alternatives? > Richard Harke ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 +> --=-rIWA0Ys8DBr03Dddn0wG -#### sources.list de racoon97 -#### Mis a jour les 01//06/2006 - Merci de me signaler quand un serveur ne repond plus. +#### sources.list de racoon97 Mis a jour les 01//06/2006 - Merci de me +#### signaler quand un serveur ne repond plus. #### INSTRUCTIONS D'UTILISATION #### -## Pour editer votre sources.list, taper sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list dans une console -## puis remplacer l'integralite de ce fichier par celui-ci. +## Pour editer votre sources.list, taper sudo gedit +## /etc/apt/sources.list dans une console puis remplacer l'integralite +## de ce fichier par celui-ci. #### DEPOTS OFFICIELS UBUNTU DAPPER #### -# Security -deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse -deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse -# Main -deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse -deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse +# Security + +deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security +main restricted universe multiverse deb +http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted +universe multiverse + +# Main + +deb-src + +http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted +universe multiverse deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main +restricted universe multiverse + # Update -deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse +deb-src + +http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse # Main + deb-src http://eu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse deb http://eu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse + # Update deb-src http://eu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse deb http://eu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse - #Depot wine - "emulateur" windows deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main - ## Depot plf dapper deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free ## depot du meilleur logiciel de gravure sous Linux : Bonfire deb http://ketsugi.com/ubuntu/ dapper main ---=-rIWA0Ys8DBr03Dddn0wG-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ftgzq-0000Qz-J1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:26:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ftgzo-0000Qm-7x - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:26:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ftgzm-0000QU-EO - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:26:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ftgzm-0000QR-AX - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:26:30 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.28] (helo=smtp2-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FthAw-0003zE-3F - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:38:02 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10D873276 - for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1Ftgzk-0001Dw-00 - for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:28 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:28 +0200 -To: Axiom developers -Subject: Re: Live CDs - with qemu - <009501c69156$54d2e480$6900a8c0@asus> From: Frederic Lehobey - -Hi, +To: list +Subject: Re: Live CDs - with qemu On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 11:05:26AM -0400, Bill Page wrote: > On June 16, 2006 10:42 AM you wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > Out of curosity, has anyone ever tried to run a LiveCD using a > > virtual machine? Bochs I suppose would be too slow, but maybe > > Xen one of the other newer ones? -> >=20 +> > > > It would be sort of cool to be able to "boot" a livecd without -> > restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes=20 +> > restarting your own computer, although I suppose it makes > > more sense to just create an image in that case. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > ??? I think it might be worth your while to read and understand ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenVirtualMachinePackage ->=20 +> > That is exactly what Alfredo has done using VMware. VMware is not > open source but it is free. ->=20 +> > I don't see any reason why one could not do something very similar > with Xen. @@ -4510,50 +2689,14 @@ $ qemu -user-net -m 256 -cdrom doyen-42206.iso -boot d I take the opportunity to point at new Debian based live-CD mastering scripts: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtivT-0007bS-FM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:30:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtivS-0007Zr-9R - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:30:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtivQ-0007XK-MW - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:30:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtivQ-0007XC-AJ - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:30:08 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.191] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ftj6b-0005Og-6s - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:41:41 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so396079nfa - for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:30:06 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=BZ14114tb+bdY5KSQNU7/vcgc4ssRBKg78fMhb7z6rPoeQ7raaw1ZWNpjosSPQIK0WhBMiTteiVgN4KvApigcvUOiLD/BgR+ZGTEMZaGmvxDzA9cBc/o2fdRvbl3YhhGczTGL1ZdKpz2eymZwakQw/Da9Eee6na4inUDEKT6MEc= -Received: by 10.49.92.10 with SMTP id u10mr2300318nfl; - Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:30:06 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.49.34.12 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:30:05 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Frederic Lehobey" Frederic Lehobey +To: Frederic Lehobey Subject: Re: Live CDs - with qemu - <009501c69156$54d2e480$6900a8c0@asus> <20060623082628.GA4357@melusine> -Cc: Axiom developers - -Hi Frederic, Thank you for the input. I will add this information to the Doyen webpage. -Regards, - -Jose Alfredo Perez - On 6/23/06, Frederic Lehobey wrote: > Hi, > @@ -4587,38 +2730,8 @@ On 6/23/06, Frederic Lehobey wrote: > > I take the opportunity to point at new Debian based live-CD mastering > scripts: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive -> -> Best regards, -> Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtmcI-00020i-2V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtmcG-00020Y-Ii - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtmcE-00020I-Iw - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtmcE-00020F-Fv - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:26:34 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.192.85] (helo=rwcrmhc15.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtmnR-0007KQ-PR - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:38:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with ESMTP - id <20060623142632m15003glk3e>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:26:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:26:25 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: list @@ -4666,55 +2779,11 @@ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 22 20:11 msgs Do I just need to be patient, or is this broken?? - - - - - - - - - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtnL9-00044z-UQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtnL8-00044u-4V - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtnL5-00044h-F7 - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtnL5-00044e-5F - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtnWI-0003M1-TA - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:24:31 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1CF41043; - Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:12:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k5NGQiRO018463; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:26:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k5NGQiop018462; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:26:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Jun 2006 18:26:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Jun 2006 18:26:44 +0200 -Cc: list Ed Borasky writes: @@ -4750,41 +2819,11 @@ two occasions I think). I suspect this has to do with LaTeX getting confused while building the bookvol1. Somethink is wrong somewhere with bookvol1.tex but I never got to figure out what. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtpqV-0000SW-9d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:53:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtpqT-0000SL-2q - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:53:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FtpqR-0000S8-Pz - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:53:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtpqR-0000S5-Kj - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:53:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ftq1g-00061K-UA - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:05:05 -0400 -Received: from mua-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NHr68U031925; - Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:53:11 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-18-205.zoominternet.net [72.23.18.205]) - by mua-1.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C147F410; - Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:53:06 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k5NHkFx14007; - Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:15 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -Cc: list When the axiom build dies in the documentation there is an error in the latex and latex has put up a prompt. Because of @@ -4799,45 +2838,13 @@ and you'll see the latex output. Alternatively you can just extract the latex from the pamphlet, latex the result, and see the error. The SVN should never contain bad latex. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ftq68-0004cc-6G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:09:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ftq66-0004cF-GM - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:09:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ftq64-0004c1-PC - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:09:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ftq64-0004by-Ir - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:09:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FtqHK-0006z0-1K - for list; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:21:14 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039654F453; - Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:09:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k5NJNQRO019163; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:23:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k5NJNQvD019162; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:23:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Jun 2006 21:23:26 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Jun 2006 21:23:26 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -4846,42 +2853,16 @@ root Tim Daly writes: It has been so since the initial se up... I'll look ino it later. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fu0LF-0006wH-21 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:05:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fu0LC-0006ul-Tg - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:05:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fu0LB-0006tU-Mt - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:05:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fu0LB-0006tH-GO - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:05:53 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.200.85] (helo=sccrmhc15.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fu0WX-0004Fw-BY - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:17:37 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with ESMTP - id <2006062405055101500928vke>; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:05:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:05:43 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - -Cc: list Thanks!! Two enters did it. - - Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > [...] > @@ -4889,45 +2870,12 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > It has been so since the initial se up... > I'll look ino it later. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fu0Me-0008LE-Eo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:07:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fu0Mc-0008JA-MC - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:07:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fu0Mb-0008HZ-7B - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:07:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fu0Ma-0008HK-Ue - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:07:20 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.192.81] (helo=rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fu0Xw-0004LS-QG - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:19:04 -0400 -Received: from [24.21.55.62] (c-24-21-55-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.55.62]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP - id <20060624050719m1100avmrhe>; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:07:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:07:10 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <449CC827.1050700@cesmail.net> -Cc: list Oops ... forgot to post the results: @@ -4944,16 +2892,12 @@ warnings). Output written in bookvol1.ind. Transcript written in bookvol1.ilg. - - Ed Borasky wrote: > Thanks!! Two enters did it. > -> -> > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ->> root Tim Daly writes: +>> Tim Daly writes: >> >> [...] >> @@ -4961,50 +2905,11 @@ Ed Borasky wrote: >> >> It has been so since the initial se up... >> I'll look ino it later. ->> ->> -- Gaby ->> ->> ->> -> -> - --- -Ed Borasky - -http://linuxcapacityplanning.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FuA2k-0006v5-DU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:27:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FuA2i-0006rw-7e - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:27:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FuA2f-0006o3-Oq - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:27:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FuA2f-0006nm-Io - for list; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:27:25 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.184] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FuAE7-0004o9-FW - for list; 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- Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:42:26 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.131.8 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:42:26 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: axiom-developer - boundary="----=_Part_15857_1551969.1151354546626" +From: Antoine Hersen +To: list Subject: Bug hypertex -------=_Part_15857_1551969.1151354546626 - boundary="----=_Part_15858_12155108.1151354546626" - -------=_Part_15858_12155108.1151354546626 - Hello, I am getting this error message when I lauch axiom : @@ -5145,209 +2986,16 @@ Trying to print the next ten tokens Included the two incremined files. -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_15858_12155108.1151354546626 - -Hello,

I am getting this error message when I lauch axiom :

syntax error: expected a newcommand
not a word
(HyperDoc) While parsing RootPage on line 1
        in the file /var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/rootpage.ht -
Trying to print the next ten tokens
\{ up3d \} \} \par \newcommand \{ \MenuDotBitmap \} \{
n
syntax error: expected a newcommand
not a word
(HyperDoc) While parsing ErrorPage on line 1
        in the file /var/axiom/dev/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht -
Trying to print the next ten tokens
\{ ProtectedQuitPage \} \} \newcommand \{ \UpButton \} \{ \upbutton

Included the two incremined files.

Regards,
Antoine Hersen

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It cannot run the document @@ -370,39 +322,10 @@ command in the line I could not find a definition of \wf. So what should it be? Perhaps \sl as it appears some lines above in that file? Or perhaps \bf? -Any idea? - -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx6hn-0007Jw-Ro - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:30:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx6hm-0007IH-G3 - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:30:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx6hk-0007HH-R5 - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:30:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx6hk-0007H3-KX - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:30:00 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx6v1-0002oQ-MQ - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:43:44 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.147] (pD9E2D651.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.214.81]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k62ITvX6021329 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:29:58 +0200 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:21:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: bookvol5 does not compile Another problem... @@ -487,41 +410,11 @@ l.15 \center{\includegraphics{ps/axiomFront.ps} } ? - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx6w7-0000u8-LR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:44:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx6w6-0000t3-Fq - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:44:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx6w4-0000sj-IB - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:44:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx6w4-0000sg-Dw - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:44:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx79L-0003pe-PC - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:58:31 -0400 -Received: from mua-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62IiJ6w022880; - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:44:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost.localdomain - (dynamic-acs-72-23-19-219.zoominternet.net [72.23.19.219]) - by mua-4.zoominternet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBC17F403; - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:44:20 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k62IbHZ15451; - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:37:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:37:17 -0400 From: root Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:09:21 +0200) Subject: Re: .svn recursive copying bug -Cc: list seems reasonable. could you please do: @@ -530,41 +423,11 @@ diff -Naur Makefile.original Makefile.new and post the results. That way I won't miss any changes. --Tim - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx73z-0007wJ-9m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:52:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx73x-0007sw-92 - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:52:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx73t-0007lC-HQ - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:52:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx73t-0007kr-Ay - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:52:53 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx7HA-0004Mg-O0 - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:06:36 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C21F4F3AA; - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:52:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k62KDX2p001793; 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Thanks. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx8mS-0001Rs-Cq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:43:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx8mR-0001PP-0S - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:42:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx8mQ-0001OM-Gp - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:42:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx8mQ-0001OA-Db - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:42:58 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx8zi-0008Rt-Uf - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:56:43 -0400 -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A8F4F3B0; - Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:42:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from uniton.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) - with ESMTP id k62M3g2p002161; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:03:43 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id - k62M3gIT002160; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:03:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Jul 2006 00:03:42 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: .svn recursive copying bug - <200607021837.k62IbHZ15451@localhost.localdomain> - - <44A82C04.806@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Jul 2006 00:03:42 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -844,43 +582,12 @@ commits. Step 5) should be done by the maintainer of the branch. Point taken and I very much appreciate the you looking into these issues. -Best, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9R4-00014i-RX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:24:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9R2-00012e-In - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:24:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9R1-00012O-0S - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:24:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx9R0-00012E-QF - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:24:54 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx9eJ-0002RY-H8 - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:38:39 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.147] (pD9E2D651.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.214.81]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k62LOpX6030751 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:24:52 +0200 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 23:24:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: docfix for transsolve.spad -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------070802010801090105040203 - Since Axiom should "just work" I wonder how with all the tests that Tim runs all the time something like @@ -923,34 +630,10 @@ Ralf --------------070802010801090105040203-- - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9Yh-0006vt-6p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:32:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9Yf-0006vk-2P - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:32:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9Yc-0006vY-LI - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:32:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx9Yc-0006vV-FB - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:32:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx9lv-00031D-Bi - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:46:31 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.147] (pD9E2D651.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.214.81]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k62LWhX6031109 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:32:44 +0200 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 23:32:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: recursive copying problem with .svn My compilation does still not go through. Now I've found something near @@ -973,36 +656,10 @@ It is so simple to make 'make' quiet by adding -s to the commandline. Or does somebody know whether I could make 'make' telling me the commands it executes even if they have a @ in front of them? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9lj-0006eg-E6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:46:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9lh-0006e6-S9 - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:46:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fx9lh-0006dh-AW - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:46:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fx9lh-0006da-2K - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:46:17 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fx9z0-0003ZN-2Z - for list; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:00:02 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.11.147] (pD9E2D651.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.214.81]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k62LkDX6032153 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:46:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 23:46:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet OK, it was not late enough... I think the file src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -1026,40 +683,10 @@ That would avoid all this needless copying time. Is there a particular reason why the copying must be done at all? Couldn't tex just given another input directory via the TEXINPUTS variable? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxUz3-00011v-AS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:25:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxUz2-00011o-AA - for list; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:25:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxUyy-00011Q-BD - for list; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:25:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxUyy-00011N-5s - for list; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:25:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FxVCU-0000hx-DU - for list; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:39:22 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1FxUyr-0000QI-Nz; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:25:17 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1FxUyr-0006yq-Lu; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:25:17 +0200 -To: list, Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 Jul 2006 22:25:17 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list, Bill Page Subject: IssueTracker modified by non-registered people Dear Bill, @@ -1077,40 +704,10 @@ I vote for 1), if possible, otherwise 2) Hope you are fine, -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxsYC-00085k-AH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:35:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxsYA-000834-5G - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:35:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxsY7-0007xS-29 - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:35:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxsY6-0007xE-R4 - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:35:14 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fxslr-0005nJ-PB - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:49:27 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1FxsY2-0004nH-Kk - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:35:10 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1FxsY2-0002MF-IR - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:35:10 +0200 -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jul 2006 23:35:09 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Why is Axiom so slow? Dear all, @@ -1150,53 +747,21 @@ Out[3]= 1.01 Second Type: List Integer Time: 2.47 (EV) + 0.88 (GC) = 3.35 sec -Any suggestions? - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxyLv-0002cJ-Pr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:47:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxyLu-0002cB-JW - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:47:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FxyLr-0002b2-Tw - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:47:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FxyLr-0002az-Qs - for list; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:46:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FxyZg-0005EW-A5 - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:01:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 560F168449; - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:46:58 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5B0FC68433; - Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:46:57 -0400 (EDT) - charset="iso-8859-1" -Subject: RE: Why is Axiom so slow? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:46:54 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Why is Axiom so slow? -Thread-Index: AcafsdXYwSwXnxtISeqknoBry36G1wALZYUg From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: RE: Why is Axiom so slow? Martin, On Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:35 PM you wrote: ->=20 -> I am just submitting my article about guessing formulas. One=20 +> +> I am just submitting my article about guessing formulas. One > important aspect of this article is that I am - contrary to > the other packages - using fast algorithms. ->=20 -> So, I wanted to do a speed comparison. I must say, I am=20 +> +> So, I wanted to do a speed comparison. I must say, I am > shocked. Even though I used certainly the best algorithms > available, they are still *much* slower than the na=EFve > versions in Mathematica or Maple. @@ -1213,18 +778,18 @@ of the AlgebraicNumber domain. But in your case I do not think you are comparing equivalent computations. ->=20 +> > I just did another test: ->=20 -> In[2]:=3D Timing[Table[Random[Integer, 100]+Random[Integer,=20 +> +> In[2]:= Timing[Table[Random[Integer, 100]+Random[Integer, > 100], {i,1,10000}]][[1]] ->=20 -> Out[2]=3D 0.1 Second ->=20 -> In[3]:=3D Timing[Table[Random[Integer, 100]+Random[Integer,=20 +> +> Out[2]= 0.1 Second +> +> In[3]:= Timing[Table[Random[Integer, 100]+Random[Integer, > 100], {i,1,100000}]][[1]] ->=20 -> Out[3]=3D 1.01 Second +> +> Out[3]= 1.01 Second > As a data structure 'Table' in Mathematica is not the same as @@ -1232,11 +797,11 @@ As a data structure 'Table' in Mathematica is not the same as > (1) -> )se me au of > (1) -> )time on -> (1) -> l1 :=3D [random(100) for i in 1..10000]; -> l2 :=3D [random(100) for i in 1..10000]; +> (1) -> l1 := [random(100) for i in 1..10000]; +> l2 := [random(100) for i in 1..10000]; > > Type: List Integer -> Time: 0.01 (IN) + 14.66 (EV) + 0.25 (GC) =3D 14.92 sec +> Time: 0.01 (IN) + 14.66 (EV) + 0.25 (GC) = 14.92 sec >... > Any suggestions? @@ -1244,48 +809,17 @@ I think it takes Axiom a long time to build a list this large. An array data structure can be accessed much more rapidly. Try something like this instead: -(1) -> l1:=3Dnew(10000,0)$ARRAY1(INT); = +(1) -> l1:=new(10000,0)$ARRAY1(INT); = map!(x+->random(100)+random(100),l1); Type: OneDimensionalArray Integer - Time: 0.20 (EV) + 0.08 (GC) =3D 0.28 sec - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - + Time: 0.20 (EV) + 0.08 (GC) = 0.28 sec \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy16x-0006W2-4r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:43:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy16v-0006VV-Tf - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:43:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy16t-0006Ud-Kp - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:43:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fy16t-0006UZ-Bm - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:43:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fy1Kj-00083b-EH - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:58:01 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Fy16q-0001W4-QO; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:43:40 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Fy16q-0003n1-M4; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:43:40 +0200 +Date: 05 Jul 2006 08:43:40 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Why is Axiom so slow? -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 05 Jul 2006 08:43:40 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Dear Bill & William, @@ -1297,41 +831,10 @@ slow? In any case, I'll install it today on MathAction... -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy1Jt-00020Z-8M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:57:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy1Jr-0001z2-In - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:57:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy1Jp-0001y5-LF - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:57:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fy1Jp-0001y2-IG - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 02:57:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Fy1Xf-0000X0-Ha - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:11:24 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Fy1Jn-0002VF-GB; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:57:03 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Fy1Jn-0002RJ-FI; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:57:03 +0200 -To: list, Antoine Hersen -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Jul 2006 08:57:02 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Preliminary fixes for issue 301 --=-=-= @@ -1415,41 +918,11 @@ Martin -- first order - ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy7Me-0006ml-U1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:24:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy2kT-0000Dn-Ji - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:28:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy2kR-0000DY-Vh - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:28:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fy2kR-0000DV-QC - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:28:39 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.42] (helo=vms042pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fy2yI-0001d9-SV - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:42:59 -0400 -Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.130.229]) - by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J1X005LZ8VFWXF7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:28:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:28:27 -0400 -From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Why is Axiom so slow? +From: William Sit To: Bill Page -Message-id: <44AB782B.3EC75CFB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - @corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca> -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: Why is Axiom so slow? Hi Bill: @@ -1508,48 +981,19 @@ does the Interpreter use List as the default? Thanks, William -PS Please change my email address to wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu. - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy7fj-00052n-IJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:44:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy7fi-00052i-II - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:44:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fy7fg-00052C-SJ - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:44:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fy7fg-000529-MZ - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:44:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fy7ta-0003FG-UW - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:58:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9907A6875E; - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:44:03 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E4C1468758; - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" +PS Please change my email address to William Sit. + +\start Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:44:01 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom-developer subscription email address -Thread-Index: AcagDQfswBKRVebhQCW3b6XKWBEXJAAKcAQg From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: axiom-dev +To: William Sit Subject: axiom-developer subscription email address William, You wrote: -> PS Please change my email address to wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu. +> PS Please change my email address to William Sit. I have enabled submissions to the axiom-developer list from your new email address (which is all I can do as a list administrator). @@ -1568,38 +1012,10 @@ To subscribe a new email address go here: http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FyEq6-0005sp-HE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:23:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FyEq4-0005rw-Jh - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:23:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FyEq1-0005qQ-Vv - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:23:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FyEq1-0005qH-KI - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:23:13 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.42] (helo=vms042pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FyEq4-00048J-9N - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:23:16 -0400 -Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.130.229]) - by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J1Y00LRC8Q3JEW1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:22:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:22:51 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Bill Page -Message-id: <44AC2DAB.F4E47D75@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: axiom-developer subscription email address Dear Bill: @@ -1607,79 +1023,41 @@ Dear Bill: Thanks for the set up. I have made the changes to my subscription and this is a test. -William - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FyErg-0006Wf-QD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:24:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FyErf-0006W6-CE - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:24:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FyErd-0006V6-Ny - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:24:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FyErd-0006Uw-KV - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:24:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FyErg-0004C4-DT - for list; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:24:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2145B68798; - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:24:52 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 48A0E687DB; - Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:24:51 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Why is Axiom so slow? +\start Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:24:49 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Why is Axiom so slow? -Thread-Index: AcagDQfswBKRVebhQCW3b6XKWBEXJAAaobYg From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: axiom-dev +To: William Sit +Subject: RE: Why is Axiom so slow? William, On Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:28 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Wow, you are good with Axiom! (and everything else, of course). > Well, thank you! ;-) -=20 + > > An array data structure can be accessed much more rapidly. > > Try something like this instead: > > -> > (1) -> l1:=3Dnew(10000,0)$ARRAY1(INT); _ +> > (1) -> l1:=new(10000,0)$ARRAY1(INT); _ > > map!(x+->random(100)+random(100),l1); > > > > Type: OneDimensionalArray Integer -> > Time: 0.20 (EV) + 0.08 (GC) =3D 0.28 sec +> > Time: 0.20 (EV) + 0.08 (GC) = 0.28 sec > > ->=20 -> Axiom can even do 100000 in about 1.35 secs. Still about 7=20 +> +> Axiom can even do 100000 in about 1.35 secs. Still about 7 > times as long as the best try in Mathematica. ->=20 -> In[85]:=3D +> +> In[85]:= > Timing[Table[Random[Integer,100]+Random[Integer,100],{i,1,1000 > 00}]][[1]] ->=20 -> Out[85]=3D +> +> Out[85]= > 0.203 Second ->=20 +> It seems that Axiom can perform about the same as Mathematica if we are careful to compile the initialization function before @@ -1687,8 +1065,8 @@ calling it. See http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxArray - init1(x:Integer):Integer =3D=3D random(100)-random(100) - l1:PRIMARR(INT):=3Dnew(100000,0); map!(init1,l1); + init1(x:Integer):Integer == random(100)-random(100) + l1:PRIMARR(INT):=new(100000,0); map!(init1,l1); This only takes about 0.15 seconds on the AxiomWiki server. @@ -1696,34 +1074,7 @@ This also shows that overhead for using map! is not very high (almost not measurable) provided the function is compiled. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzTkv-0000Qj-Jc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:31:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzTkt-0000PA-Sj - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:31:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzTkr-0000Oy-Ef - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:31:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzTkr-0000Ov-BP - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:31:01 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FzTlf-0007nF-P8 - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:31:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20293 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2006 07:31:00 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=1PbrQYb1BUI8B9QuuqZ4mmqkYtfFO4aId779mkO3rWS8ho22EmoCB1dJUR+AIjA1g88JdIyAP4njgMvVp0PLY9+1ZQwEgV//i4p2oGdin8bX8Y7OgCyktMJ4VNluv37bcIEKAAxB5cLsK1krRrijt+rQ/4k+RIQRO7zR1XCw4qM= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:31:00 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -1743,43 +1094,10 @@ Still some work to do, and the latter trick requires the eprint.sty file from the ToC folks, but all in all it looks like it might prove useful. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzYuG-0004tp-IB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:01:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzYuF-0004th-Cd - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:01:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzYuB-0004ss-8a - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:01:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FzYuB-0004sd-3f - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:00:59 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FzYv2-0006n0-Lf - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:01:52 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (axiom-developer.org [209.135.140.38]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k69D10i9005710; - Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:01:00 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k69D10la005707; - Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:01:00 -0500 +\start Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:01:00 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: axiom bibliography @@ -1801,38 +1119,10 @@ excellent. i'm overseas at the ISSAC conference for the next week. i'll look at it further when i return. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1FzbA1-0001hh-9N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:25:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fzb9y-0001fb-VT - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:25:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Fzb9x-0001dy-KU - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:25:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fzb9x-0001dd-BK - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:25:25 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.192] (helo=web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FzbAq-00088y-Cy - for list; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:26:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31788 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2006 15:25:24 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=ewI3harAGy2wpG2/Nz+PtsPLHrZxpKW5Rgqr1g7qND2rir7LSqcOhJS1Ll8kKiO7A0h4c3zK9g7spBbFKbPG2YY9F02f+U2sSfS0eLkBtA0zawEjXoZEgPD2afU4AUKmSc8hjkLIiLWGKlgF9E2584ay21N+b/rNli5QqMHFads= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:25:24 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: axiom bibliography I have no idea how useful this might in the future (it might be that @@ -1934,39 +1224,7 @@ bibliography via MSC will prove to be the most coherent thing to do in the long term both for us and for the mathematical community as a whole. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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There are a couple scattered in there with links, and most have a "put me somewhere already!" message as an annotation. -Comments? - -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G240F-0001p3-3D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:37:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G240D-0001ow-Ge - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:37:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G240B-0001oY-BJ - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:37:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G240B-0001oV-65 - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:37:31 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G242b-0006Am-2C - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:40:01 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6GAb6BW000595 - for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:37:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22888 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 10:37:07 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Jul 2006 10:37:07 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6GATuh06211; - Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:29:56 -0400 +\start Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:29:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: renaud.rioboo@lip6.fr -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Renaud Rioboo Subject: -l Xpm fixed. available in next release --t @@ -2147,84 +1334,26 @@ fixed. available in next release --t @ \section{htsearch binary} - - - -- - forwarded from http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/306LibXpmAIsInUsrLibUnderUbuntu#msg20060713114924-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G26df-0000wb-Gx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:26:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G26dd-0000up-F7 - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:26:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G26dc-0000uY-Pv - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:26:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G26dc-0000uV-J8 - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:26:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G26g4-0001Mi-7f - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:28:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198704F3DB; - Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:26:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6GEtxIt017462; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:56:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6GEtxgM017461; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:55:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 16 Jul 2006 16:55:58 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: -l Xpm -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Jul 2006 16:55:58 +0200 -Cc: list, renaud.rioboo@lip6.fr +Cc: Renaud Rioboo -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | fixed. available in next release --t Tim, I did not see a commit to the silver branch; please could apply it there too? 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+Cc: Nic Doye Ralf, @@ -2292,36 +1421,7 @@ http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/groups/tatami http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/groups/tatami/kumo http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/groups/tatami/bobj -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2FuV-0003AA-8l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:20:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2FuU-0003A5-As - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:20:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2FuS-00039t-Q8 - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:20:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2FuS-00039q-Li - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:20:24 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2Fx0-0000sr-31 - for list; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:23:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29569 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2006 23:20:20 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=OERA7s1pimL4oV8WOQxqjiO7yK6d73tG+9+U8mEYrPBcPGuwrVI88ABix0hXmv91Y47qkqiM3AQWx3Sa4r+cM55RePaXNki2w1eGLThr+kx0O3Vv9LnLBtk/51PD18GyIWytPbSwUFnWv5jFphfBA8qWCEWq7pUjOH8b94IEYMc= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:20:20 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -2359,47 +1459,10 @@ is go I'll get started putting those together. I think with this in place we can proceed to start building our axiom.bib file and turn our pamphlets into real academic papers, citations and all. -Cheers, -Cliff - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2Var-0005VD-7C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2Vao-0005Tf-T7 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2Van-0005Sa-Pb - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2Van-0005SR-LW - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2VdU-0000He-NA - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:07:56 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HG4RJd026910 - for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:04:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3245 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 16:04:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 17 Jul 2006 16:04:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6HFvEL07142; - Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:57:14 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:57:14 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: info@ohloh.net -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Scott Collison Subject: Axiom information Your website contains completely incorrect information about Axiom. @@ -2415,40 +1478,11 @@ License None Modified BSD Factoid large number of comments All source is literate documents Factoid no recent contributions Last contribution on 7/15/06 (2 days) -Tim Daly -Axiom Lead Developer - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2XDc-0008Rh-Hk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2XDb-0008QA-Da - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2XDa-0008P9-LD - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2XDa-0008Oj-Cq - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1G2XGI-00073a-FV - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:52:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2XDZ-0007xJ-J4 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:17 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-190-23.anikast.net [207.61.190.23]) - by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6HHmrG7005590; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:49:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly +\start Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:48:43 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list -Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?ISSAC_and_CAF=C9_meetings?= +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: ISSAC and CAFE meetings? Tim, @@ -2467,47 +1501,12 @@ relevant to Axiom? Did anyone else on this list attend? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2YJj-0006Ws-9N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:59:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2YJh-0006WF-Tr - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:59:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2YJf-0006TF-1T - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:59:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2YJe-0006TC-QV - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:59:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2YMN-0005cz-FF - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:02:27 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HIxOnW003912 - for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:59:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20066 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 18:59:24 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 17 Jul 2006 18:59:24 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6HIq4Z07195; - Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:52:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:52:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Cc: list, Wilken Rivera Subject: ISSAC and CAFE trip report - +Cc: Wilken Rivera > I believe that you were recently in Europe for the subject meetings > and that you may have discussed open source Aldor with Steven Watt @@ -2627,43 +1626,14 @@ get them implemented. It would take too long. Ralf and Renaud were there. Possibly others but not that I remember. But I have a very bad memory. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2a2m-0002hL-Sk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:50:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2a2k-0002ga-Ae - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:50:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2a2g-0002fp-SU - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:50:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2a2g-0002fk-L2 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:50:14 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.182] (helo=web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2a5Q-00080R-7r - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:53:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 81665 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 20:50:12 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=rIqCsLoZV08xYqeJw4fyndeDkDrHBBf2AL31ob3WXi1UYsc0OoqXnxrDNdf1RrwXCZjGUW+ftpTJ/Xng9KUGuG5QuAfoKn0vIgTot8HzIwQ78VFdXZyhmSS5xox4UWUXgrg+6X0jh6cW9ht7ERIhvD3F1VrGGk/cA58gMQJjQw8= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:50:12 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: ISSAC and CAFE trip report To: Tim Daly, Bill Page -Cc: list, Wilken Rivera - +Cc: Wilken Rivera - ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > Yep. Stephen and Mike Dewar are discussing the license details. > Stephen has been away in a series of conferences and had not yet @@ -2772,79 +1742,20 @@ Is his presentation available online anywhere? Excellent! Can we help you with the work? -Cheers, -Cliff - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2cvz-0005Ap-R8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:55:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2cvx-00059t-Tg - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:55:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2cvv-00059e-D5 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:55:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2cvv-00059b-54 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:55:27 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2cyg-0005Vw-M3 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:58:18 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-44-231.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-44-231.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.198.231]) - by mwinf1904.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 021A91C00082; - Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:55:07 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page +\start Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:55:04 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Subject: Sandbox20 Hi, May I know why the name "Sandbox" has been modified to "Sanbox20" ? -Just curious. - -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2eTt-0006xQ-89 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:34:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2eTr-0006wy-4A - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:34:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2eTq-0006wj-1V - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:34:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2eTp-0006wg-Q1 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:34:33 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G2eWc-0004vY-G1 - for list; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:37:26 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-190-23.anikast.net [207.61.190.23]) - by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6I1YBj8006277; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:34:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:33:59 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: RE: Sandbox20 Greg, @@ -2922,36 +1833,7 @@ with ZMI access. Sorry for the overly long "explanation" ;) As usual your opinions about design changes in the Axiom wiki are most welcome. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2ojx-0003Ua-8J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:31:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2ojv-0003UG-G1 - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:31:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2oju-0003Tu-0s - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:31:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ojt-0003TX-PE - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:31:49 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.189] (helo=web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2omm-0002To-Hi - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:34:48 -0400 -Received: (qmail 70615 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2006 12:31:48 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=1/FBRrRccO5DqK1H6oS3wAYv8nLItO5A5RLE/90LgBB8lvQ/DswfNFIiKr8t33kMzwrtCjNkoWhqh+8U4PyHnN3qurE8bjzM7PzU9aB2dkPRe0yD0YVkm18Y0jlLBhzHkLVngrc9jqe4dfI9qhY3A7i1tVW4LEC/zAhEc6p43tg= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:31:48 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -2968,52 +1850,21 @@ there are a bit similar to the ones B-sharp is intended to address. Position sounds interesting, although they don't seem to be interested in Axiom as such. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2ovV-0001Xv-7m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2ovU-0001X0-Id - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2ovR-0001WX-2v - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2ovQ-0001WU-W3 - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:45 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2oyK-0003Z6-42 - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:46:44 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-31-156.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-31-156.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.137.156]) - by mwinf1901.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7D5625400099; - Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:43:43 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page +\start Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:44:18 +0200 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Sandbox20 -Le lundi 17 juillet 2006 =E0 21:33 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit :=20 > Greg, ->=20 +> > On July 17, 2006 7:55 PM you asked: -> >=20 +> > > > May I know why the name "Sandbox" has been modified to "Sanbox20" ? -> >=20 +> > > > Just curious. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Apparently someone identifying themselves as 'scvblwxq' issued a > rename of 'SandBox' to 'SandBox20' ... probably just a simple > mistake. Perhaps they did not understand the instructions about @@ -3026,67 +1877,26 @@ Le lundi 17 juillet 2006 =E0 21:33 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit :=20 > we could make changing links in other pages an option of the > rename and default this option to 'no'. On the other hand it > seems this kind of error does not happen very often. ->=20 - Humm... I thought the person who renamed the Sandbox page was known (but I admit that the 'cvb' letter sequence (for example) is relatively strange). -Thanks for the response. - -Greg - ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2wu4-0001By-Jj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2wu3-0001BT-84 - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G2wu1-0001Ac-97 - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2wu1-0001AV-1l - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:14:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2wwz-0003oD-8b - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:17:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C64D0680DD; 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- Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:05:39 -0400 (EDT) - charset="us-ascii" + +\start Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:05:33 -0400 -Thread-Topic: LatexWiki -Thread-Index: Acamq2IOGHQNcEJZT5iMqg26nQxgpgEJbfew From: Bill Page -To: "Ivan Savov" -Cc: list, Bob McElrath +To: Ivan Savov Subject: RE: LatexWiki +Cc: Bob McElrath Dear "Ivan pretending-to-do-reseach-student-of-physics Savov", On Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:37 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I am VERY impressed with the Plone/Zope site you are running and > the smooth support for Latex in it. Being able to manipulate latex > on the web has been a dream of mine for quite some time and I @@ -3222,7 +1973,7 @@ http://portal.axiom-developer.org is based. ->=20 +> > I am a debian user myself and I have been learning about Zope for > the last couple of months. I tried the Zope+Plone that come with > Debian stable but I got mixed results. @@ -3233,7 +1984,7 @@ http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at running Debian sarge currently with kernel 2.6.8-3-686. ->=20 +> > Then I decided to start from scratch following this video: > http://www.archive.org/details/SeanKellyGettingYourFeetWetwithPlone > I compiled Python 2.4.3 with zlib, also Zope 2.9.3, and finally @@ -3256,7 +2007,7 @@ http://zwiki.org/repos/latexwiki (browse) If you go this route, please let me know how it works out. ->=20 +> > I was hoping you can tell me a few words about what is running > on portal.axiom-developer.org so that I can try to mimic your > installation. @@ -3279,7 +2030,7 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionRepository If you are strongly motivated to run the *same* version, then you might actually be able to push me into updating the repository. :-) -> Were there any modifications necessary or did the code work=20 +> Were there any modifications necessary or did the code work > out of the box? You might be interested in the detailed information presented here @@ -3289,19 +2040,19 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenCD about building a version of MathAction for distribution on CD although in this case the developer was using Fedora linux. ->=20 +> > My setup: (some things may not be running right now...) > stremi.mine.nu:8080/research/ <-- Plone > stremi.mine.nu:8080/research2/ <--wiki alone -> stremi.mine.nu:80/Music/ <-- my music collection... check=20 +> stremi.mine.nu:80/Music/ <-- my music collection... check > out Full Albums/ -> (the line is a sympatico DSL in Montreal with decent upstream=20 +> (the line is a sympatico DSL in Montreal with decent upstream > speeds...) ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Thank you very much for your time, > Ivan pretending-to-do-reseach-student-of-physics Savov ->=20 +> > PS: > My real goal is to create a research-and-writing-portal for > scientists based on Zope and Plone. @@ -3319,7 +2070,7 @@ http://portal.axiom-developer.org if that is any use to you. ->=20 +> > PS2: The grand scheme of things > In the long run, I want to build a super-duper-mega research > portal that will allow discussion and cooperation on any research @@ -3332,7 +2083,7 @@ if that is any use to you. > immediately see what the important papers in the field are and know > what to read first... something a stupid text search can't really > provide. ->=20 +> Well, that is rather grand... ;) But I predict that any effort like this is doomed to failure by a very simple fact: The ratio of @@ -3344,49 +2095,12 @@ reason why a project like wikipedia succeeds is that it's goals are even grander than yours. Like Computer Algebra, Physics is just to "small" a subject. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G325G-0005zg-5i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:46:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G325E-0005ym-BF - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:46:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G325D-0005yU-MO - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:46:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G325D-0005yN-El - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:46:43 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G328E-0004Mw-Hb - for list; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:49:50 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k6J2kdp8009487 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:46:39 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k6J2kca7009484; - Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:46:38 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:46:38 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page - Ivan Savov , list - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" - moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list, Ivan Savov Subject: Re: LatexWiki - - ---SUOF0GtieIMvvwua +Cc: Ivan Savov Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Dear "Ivan pretending-to-do-reseach-student-of-physics Savov", @@ -3471,107 +2185,22 @@ to discuss further. 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I'd rather just append new entries to axiom.bib for immediate use and let the computer sort it out when the time comes, but that' s just me. - -Cheers, -CY - - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3bbU-0003UA-6n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3bbS-0003Tu-TT - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3bbR-0003Ta-OS - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3bbR-0003TS-Jd - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3bbf-0004UE-2c - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 61D9E68C39; - Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B581B67BB8; - Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:42:16 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] exports and constants -Thread-Index: Acar7Rv/IGF5+Zp1SH2Uw+0hbkopEQAGPt4g From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , - list, aldor-l +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf, @@ -3792,27 +2334,27 @@ bare with me while I try to give my current understanding below. :) On Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:12 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Sorry, but Christian and me started that discussion in German, > but we now think that it might be interesting for all other > Aldor people. ->=20 -> So let me start with a little program that shows some strange=20 +> +> So let me start with a little program that shows some strange > behavior. ->=20 +> > ---BEGIN aaa.as > #include "aldor" > import from String, TextWriter, Character; ->=20 -> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with { } -> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with { } -> define SomeCat: Category =3D=3D with { CatA; CatB; } -> Dom: SomeCat =3D=3D Integer add; ->=20 -> A =3D=3D Dom; -> B: CatA =3D=3D Dom; -> H: CatA =3D=3D Dom add; ->=20 +> +> define CatA: Category == with { } +> define CatB: Category == with { } +> define SomeCat: Category == with { CatA; CatB; } +> Dom: SomeCat == Integer add; +> +> A == Dom; +> B: CatA == Dom; +> H: CatA == Dom add; +> > stdout << "A has CatA: " << ( A has CatA ) << newline; > stdout << "A has CatB: " << ( A has CatB ) << newline; > stdout << "B has CatA: " << ( B has CatA ) << newline; @@ -3820,7 +2362,7 @@ On Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:12 AM you wrote: > stdout << "H has CatA: " << ( H has CatA ) << newline; > stdout << "H has CatB: " << ( H has CatB ) << newline; > ---END aaa.as ->=20 +> > You get... > >aldor -grun -laldor xxx.as > A has CatA: T @@ -3829,7 +2371,7 @@ On Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:12 AM you wrote: > B has CatB: T > H has CatA: T > H has CatB: F ->=20 +> > In particular, that "B has CatB" is a bit surprising, isn't it? > @@ -3842,7 +2384,7 @@ Aldor has some rather complex inheritance rules because domains and categories follow very different rules (the first involves abstract set "membership" while the second involves "sub-types" of abstract subsets. -=20 + > Has someone found a description in the Aldor UG of whether this > is intended to be so or this should be considered a bug in the > compiler? @@ -3854,10 +2396,10 @@ the heading of "Type Satisfaction", see section 7.7. Unfortunately http://www.aldor.org is inaccessible :( again! ): but you can get it from Google's cache: -http://72.14.207.104/search?q=3Dcache:tXXWE6iGeLEJ:www.aldor.org +http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:tXXWE6iGeLEJ:www.aldor.org /docs/HTML/chap7.html+aldor+users+guide+type+satisfaction -&hl=3Den&gl=3Dca&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1nces. +&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1nces. or from one of the other pdf versions: @@ -3871,52 +2413,52 @@ and on static types in: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-02/msg00065.html ->=20 +> > Let me go on with answering Christian's mail... ->=20 +> > On 07/20/2006 11:05 AM, Christian Aistleitner wrote: -> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:20:06 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke=20 +> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:20:06 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke > Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> >=20 -> >>> i: Integer =3D=3D 1; +> > +> >>> i: Integer == 1; > >>> und -> >>> i: Integer =3D=3D 2; +> >>> i: Integer == 2; > >>> nicht gleich sind. > >> -> >> Naja, hier mu=DF man nur wissen, da=DF die Symbole 0 und 1=20 +> >> Naja, hier mu=DF man nur wissen, da=DF die Symbole 0 und 1 > >> Ausnahmen in Aldor sind. Die kann man n=E4mlich als Bezeichner > >> verwenden, w=E4hrend das bei 2 nicht geht. Weil das einfach > >> ein Symbol ist, das wie eine ganze Zahl aussieht, aber > >> niemals ein Bezeichner sein kann. (Letzteres ist eigentlich -> >> auch eine Einschr=E4nkung, sonst k=F6nnte man "PowerSet(S)"=20 -> >> ganz einfach als "2^S" implementieren. OK, dann w=E4re der=20 +> >> auch eine Einschr=E4nkung, sonst k=F6nnte man "PowerSet(S)" +> >> ganz einfach als "2^S" implementieren. OK, dann w=E4re der > >> Bezeichner allerdings "2^"... naja. -> >=20 -> > Sorry that was a bad example. What I wanted to point out is=20 +> > +> > Sorry that was a bad example. What I wanted to point out is > > that from a user perspective, -> >=20 -> > identifier: type =3D=3D value -> >=20 +> > +> > identifier: type == value +> > > > should always refer to the same language construct. So -> >=20 -> > i: Integer =3D=3D 2; -> >=20 +> > +> > i: Integer == 2; +> > > > and -> >=20 -> > i: Integer =3D=3D 3; -> >=20 +> > +> > i: Integer == 3; +> > > > should be the same language construct, ->=20 +> > Where do you see a difference? ->=20 +> > > just as -> >=20 -> > Ident: Category =3D=3D Domain; -> >=20 +> > +> > Ident: Category == Domain; +> > > > and -> >=20 -> > Ident: Category =3D=3D Domain add; -> >=20 +> > +> > Ident: Category == Domain add; +> > > > . Of course, "Domain" and "Domain add" are different things. > > No doubt about that. However, this difference should be the > > only difference. @@ -3930,10 +2472,10 @@ is in fact very succinctly and consistently given here. But I have never been able to read and appreciate it in just a few linear readings of the text. ->=20 +> > There is a difference in the semantic, but I cannot > remember that I have found a proper explanation of what -> "Ident: SomeType =3D=3D Dom" actually means (no "add" here). +> "Ident: SomeType == Dom" actually means (no "add" here). In the above the value of 'Ident' *is* 'Dom' whereas in the previous case 'Ident' is the name of a new domain whose @@ -3941,23 +2483,23 @@ previous case 'Ident' is the name of a new domain whose ->=20 +> > >> One cannot, however write something like > >> -> >> CatC: Category =3D=3D with { } -> >> H: CatC =3D=3D Dom; -> >=20 +> >> CatC: Category == with { } +> >> H: CatC == Dom; +> > > > Of Course not, because Dom does not provide CatC. ->=20 +> > >> Different from > >> -> >> A: CatA =3D=3D Dom add; +> >> A: CatA == Dom add; > >> > >> the construct > >> -> >> H: CatA =3D=3D Dom; +> >> H: CatA == Dom; > >> -> >> just means that H provides *at least* the exports of CatA,=20 +> >> just means that H provides *at least* the exports of CatA, > >> and the compiler can tell, if Dom provides less. In the first case you are defining a new domain A which @@ -3965,7 +2507,7 @@ satisfies only CatA. In the second case you are saying that H is identical to Dom, but the compiler knows that is not true. -> >=20 +> > > > You can interpret both kinds as "provides at least". No, I don't think that is true. @@ -3977,30 +2519,30 @@ In the first case A is a member of CatA, in the second case you are saying that type of Dom is a subtype of the type of H (CatA). ->=20 +> > >> It is going to be interesting. > >> > >> Take for example > >> -> >> A: Join(CatA, CatX) =3D=3D add {...} -> >> B: Join(CatB, CatX) =3D=3D add {...} -> >> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random() then A else B; +> >> A: Join(CatA, CatX) == add {...} +> >> B: Join(CatB, CatX) == add {...} +> >> X: CatX == if odd? random() then A else B; > >> -> >> It is clear that X cannot export more than CatX. In such=20 +> >> It is clear that X cannot export more than CatX. In such > >> constructions the additional exports of A and B cannot be > >> seen. -> >=20 +> > > > I am a bit puzzled right now. The line -> >=20 -> >> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random() then A else B; -> >=20 +> > +> >> X: CatX == if odd? random() then A else B; +> > > > causes problems and does not compile. Furthermore, for -> >=20 -> >> X: CatX =3D=3D A -> >=20 -> > X has both CatA and CatX, as expected ... Could you detail=20 +> > +> >> X: CatX == A +> > +> > X has both CatA and CatX, as expected ... Could you detail > > on that problem. ->=20 +> > Sorry, I have not tested that line and I also cannot compile it. The reason of course is because the expression 'odd? random()' @@ -4017,45 +2559,45 @@ understanding in what sense this is "static" (in comparison to your "dynamic" typing example above) is very important to understand Aldor's type system as a whole. ->=20 +> > ---BEGIN aaa2.as > #include "aldor" > import from String, TextWriter, Character; ->=20 -> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with; ->=20 -> A: CatX with { CatA } =3D=3D add; -> B: CatX with { CatB } =3D=3D add; ->=20 -> X: CatX =3D=3D if true then (A add) else (B add); -- (*) ->=20 +> +> define CatA: Category == with; +> define CatB: Category == with; +> define CatX: Category == with; +> +> A: CatX with { CatA } == add; +> B: CatX with { CatB } == add; +> +> X: CatX == if true then (A add) else (B add); -- (*) +> > stdout << "X has CatA: " << ( X has CatA ) << newline; > stdout << "X has CatB: " << ( X has CatB ) << newline; > stdout << "X has CatX: " << ( X has CatX ) << newline; > ---END aaa2.as ->=20 +> > aldor -grun -laldor aaa2.as > X has CatA: F > X has CatB: F > X has CatX: T ->=20 -> That is clear, but why does the compiler reject the program=20 +> +> That is clear, but why does the compiler reject the program > without the "add" in line (*)? > It is because the types of A and B are not a subtypes of CatX. But X can be a member of CatX defined by (A add) or (B add). -> >=20 -> >> R: GcdDomain =3D=3D if iWantRationals? then Fraction Integer=20 +> > +> >> R: GcdDomain == if iWantRationals? then Fraction Integer > >> else Integer; > >> computation()$MyPackage(R); > >> > >> Und in MyPackage haben wir sowas > >> -> >> gcd(a: R, b: R): R =3D=3D { +> >> gcd(a: R, b: R): R == { > >> if R has Field then { > >> ... kann nur 0 oder 1 sein > >> } else { @@ -4064,56 +2606,56 @@ But X can be a member of CatX defined by (A add) or (B add). > >> } > >> > >> und computation() benutzt intern diesen gcd. Selbst wenn -> >> iWantRationals? =3D true -> >> wird nicht der einfachere K=F6rperfall genommen. MyPackage=20 +> >> iWantRationals? = true +> >> wird nicht der einfachere K=F6rperfall genommen. MyPackage > >> sieht also die zus=E4tzlichen Exports nicht mehr. Bl=F6d, was? -> >=20 +> > > > This puzzles me even more, because it works properly for me: -> >=20 +> > > > #include "algebra" > > import from String, TextWriter, Character; > > import from MachineInteger; -> >=20 +> > > > #if FIELD -> > firstIsField? =3D=3D true; +> > firstIsField? == true; > > #else -> > firstIsField? =3D=3D false; +> > firstIsField? == false; > > #endif -> > R: GcdDomain =3D=3D if firstIsField? then (Fraction=20 -> Integer@GcdDomain) else=20 +> > R: GcdDomain == if firstIsField? then (Fraction +> Integer@GcdDomain) else > > (Integer@GcdDomain); -> >=20 +> > > > stdout << ( R has GcdDomain ) << newline; > > stdout << ( R has Field ) << newline; ->=20 +> > I am actually a bit amazed that your program runs and gives > expected results. But what about... Its static typing again! ->=20 +> > ---BEGIN aaa3.as > #include "aldor" > import from String, TextWriter, Character, MachineInteger; ->=20 -> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with; ->=20 -> A: Join(CatX, CatA) =3D=3D add; -> B: Join(CatX, CatB) =3D=3D add; ->=20 -> MyPkg(X: CatX): with {isA?: () -> Boolean} =3D=3D add { -> isA?(): Boolean =3D=3D X has CatA; +> +> define CatA: Category == with; +> define CatB: Category == with; +> define CatX: Category == with; +> +> A: Join(CatX, CatA) == add; +> B: Join(CatX, CatB) == add; +> +> MyPkg(X: CatX): with {isA?: () -> Boolean} == add { +> isA?(): Boolean == X has CatA; > } -> main(): () =3D=3D { +> main(): () == { > import from CommandLine, Array String; -> X: CatX =3D=3D if zero? #arguments then (A add) else (B add); +> X: CatX == if zero? #arguments then (A add) else (B add); > stdout << isA?()$MyPkg(X) << zero? #arguments << newline; > } > main(); > ---END aaa3.as ->=20 +> > >aldor -fx -laldor aaa3.as > >aaa3 > FT @@ -4123,7 +2665,7 @@ Its static typing again! Static type again: the value of 'isA()' is determined at compile time and does not depend on #arguments. -=20 + > It is clear with the "add" in the definition of X that we will > always see a F in the first column of the output. Can someone > find a "nice" construction where X is defined by a similar "if" @@ -4131,19 +2673,19 @@ compile time and does not depend on #arguments. This is not possible because as a domain X must be static. ->=20 +> > Of course it would be easy to write ->=20 -> main(): () =3D=3D { +> +> main(): () == { > import from CommandLine, Array String; -> b: Boolean :=3D zero? #arguments; +> b: Boolean := zero? #arguments; > stdout << (if b then isA?()$MyPkg(A) else isA?()$MyPkg(B)); > stdout << zero? #arguments << newline; > } ->=20 +> > and obtain TT and FF, but that is not a "nice" solution. ->=20 -> Imagine there were another 2 domains R and S that would take=20 +> +> Imagine there were another 2 domains R and S that would take > a domain of type CatX as input and return a domain whose exports > depend on the input. (A polynomial construction Dense/Sparse > (for R and S) over some coefficient domain (for A and B) would @@ -4151,10 +2693,10 @@ This is not possible because as a domain X must be static. This is possible because as types domains are static in Aldor. ->=20 -> It's soon becoming quite cumbersome and unreadable if it is=20 +> +> It's soon becoming quite cumbersome and unreadable if it is > done in the way the last main() function demonstrates. ->=20 +> This is an argument for dynamic types, which certainly is possible (e.g. Lisp), but efficient compilation is much more @@ -4162,40 +2704,12 @@ difficult to achieve. One of the beautiful things about Aldor is that it seems to do so much in spite of it's static type system. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3ibj-0002qk-Sn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:11:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3ibh-0002oW-EG - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:11:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3ibg-0002nb-3n - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:11:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3ibf-0002nV-Ow - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:11:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3ibx-0003Ke-Lt - for list; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:11:22 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6L0AnQY027693 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:10:50 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:12:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , - list, aldor-l Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Hello Bill, @@ -4557,48 +3071,12 @@ to that category. That the compiler cannot handle computed categories, I can understand, but I don't even know whether it would be useful to treat categories as "first class citizens". -Ralf - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3o2O-0002wB-I1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:59:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3o2L-0002v8-7o - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:58:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3o2J-0002ue-A6 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:58:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3o2J-0002ub-7O - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:58:55 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.47] (helo=webmail.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3o2e-00075j-Ii - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:59:16 -0400 -Received: from webmail.univie.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by webmail.univie.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6L5wjXM060426; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:45 +0200 (CEST) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) -Received: (from www@localhost) - by webmail.univie.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k6L5wgRh060425; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:42 +0200 (CEST) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - Martin Rubey using -f -Received: from 80.120.210.104 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rubeym9) - by webmail.univie.ac.at with HTTP; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:42 +0200 (CEST) - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:42 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants From: Martin Rubey -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , - list, aldor-l +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Dear all, @@ -4623,36 +3101,10 @@ On Fr, 21.07.2006, 02:12, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: In any case, it would be good to have *one* example program, that demonstrates as many possibilities as we can think of... -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3pjE-0001co-CG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3pjB-0001bt-Ci - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3pjA-0001bK-Kg - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3pjA-0001bG-0j - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:16 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3pjW-0001yw-B8 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2006 07:47:13 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-5.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.5] - by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 09:47:13 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:47:11 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, aldor-l +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello, @@ -4662,7 +3114,7 @@ te: >>> There is a difference in the semantic, but I cannot >>> remember that I have found a proper explanation of what ->>> "Ident: SomeType =3D=3D Dom" actually means (no "add" here). +>>> "Ident: SomeType == Dom" actually means (no "add" here). > >> In the above the value of 'Ident' *is* 'Dom' whereas in the >> previous case 'Ident' is the name of a new domain whose @@ -4678,21 +3130,21 @@ Example: #include "aldor" import from String, TextWriter, Character; -define CatA: Category =3D=3D with { } -define CatB: Category =3D=3D with { } -define SomeCat: Category =3D=3D with { CatA; CatB; } -Dom: SomeCat =3D=3D Integer add; +define CatA: Category == with { } +define CatB: Category == with { } +define SomeCat: Category == with { CatA; CatB; } +Dom: SomeCat == Integer add; -B: CatA =3D=3D Dom; +B: CatA == Dom; stdout << "B has CatA: " << ( B has CatA ) << newline; stdout << "B has CatB: " << ( B has CatB ) << newline; -func( DomParam: CatB ):() =3D=3D { stdout << "called func" << newline; }= +func( DomParam: CatB ):() == { stdout << "called func" << newline; }= -C_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -Fx = +C_ALL=C /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=-Wopts=-m32 -Fx = = -lalgebra -laldor -D IFCLAUSE test2.as && ./test2 @@ -4713,11 +3165,11 @@ works. What about the following: -Universe of the compiler before B: CatA =3D=3D DOM: +Universe of the compiler before B: CatA == DOM: Dom ( StaticType: SomeCat; Implementation at memory location 123456 ) -After the B: CatA =3D=3D Dom: +After the B: CatA == Dom: Dom ( StaticType: SomeCat; Implementation at memory location 123456 ) B ( StaticType: CatA; Implementation at memory location 123456 ) @@ -4725,17 +3177,17 @@ B ( StaticType: CatA; Implementation at memory location 123456 ) > ---BEGIN aaa5.as > #include "aldor" -> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with; +> define CatA: Category == with; +> define CatB: Category == with; +> define CatX: Category == with; > -> A: Join(CatX, CatA) =3D=3D add; -> B: Join(CatX, CatB) =3D=3D add; +> A: Join(CatX, CatA) == add; +> B: Join(CatX, CatB) == add; > #if ADD > import from MachineInteger; -> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); +> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); > #else -> X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; +> X: CatX == if true then A else B; > #endif > ---END aaa5.as > @@ -4744,18 +3196,18 @@ B ( StaticType: CatA; Implementation at memory location 123456 ) > compiles without any complaints. Now try without the ADD assertion. > > >aldor -fx -laldor aaa5.as -> "aaa5.as", line 14: X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; +> "aaa5.as", line 14: X: CatX == if true then A else B; > ...........^ > [L14 C12] #1 (Error) Have determined 0 possible types for the expressi= on. > Subexpression `A': > Meaning 1: > Join(CatX, CatA) with -> =3D=3D... +> ==... > Subexpression `B': > Meaning 1: > Join(CatX, CatB) with -> =3D=3D... +> ==... > The context requires an expression of type CatX. > > @@ -4778,7 +3230,7 @@ provides CatX. > Now if we assume that > -> X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; +> X: CatX == if true then A else B; > > yield an X of the type of the domain on the right hand side then the > compiler has to match the types of A and B (they have to be equal). @@ -4788,34 +3240,34 @@ provides CatX. Not true for me--I still get the corresponding errors: #include "aldor" -define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; -define CatB: Category =3D=3D with; -define CatX: Category =3D=3D with; +define CatA: Category == with; +define CatB: Category == with; +define CatX: Category == with; -A: Join(CatX, CatA) =3D=3D add; -B: Join(CatX, CatB) =3D=3D add; +A: Join(CatX, CatA) == add; +B: Join(CatX, CatB) == add; -X: CatX =3D=3D if true then B else A; +X: CatX == if true then B else A; -LC_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -Fx= +LC_ALL=C /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=-Wopts=-m32 -Fx= = -lalgebra -laldor test2.as && ./test2 -"test2.as", line 34: X: CatX =3D=3D if true then B else A; +"test2.as", line 34: X: CatX == if true then B else A; ...........^ [L34 C12] #1 (Error) Have determined 0 possible types for the expression= . Subexpression `B': Meaning 1: Join(CatX, CatB) with - =3D=3D add () + == add () Subexpression `A': Meaning 1: Join(CatX, CatA) with - =3D=3D add () + == add () The context requires an expression of type CatX. @@ -4825,15 +3277,15 @@ LC_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -Fx= > ---BEGIN aaa6.as > #include "aldor" > #include "aldorio" -> macro I =3D=3D MachineInteger; -> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with {foo: () -> I} -> A: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 0;} -> B: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 1;} +> macro I == MachineInteger; +> define CatX: Category == with {foo: () -> I} +> A: CatX == add {foo(): I == 0;} +> B: CatX == add {foo(): I == 1;} > > import from MachineInteger; -> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then A else B; +> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then A else B; > -> main(): () =3D=3D { +> main(): () == { > import from X; > stdout << foo() << newline; > } @@ -4844,7 +3296,7 @@ LC_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -Fx= > > The interesting part of aaa6.as is that now if one writes > -> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); +> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); > > (with the "add"), the program does not compile anymore in contrast to > aaa5.as above. @@ -4862,13 +3314,13 @@ allows to call it, as demonstrated by #include "aldor" #include "aldorio" -macro I =3D=3D MachineInteger; -define CatX: Category =3D=3D with {foo: () -> I} -A: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 0;} -B: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 1;} +macro I == MachineInteger; +define CatX: Category == with {foo: () -> I} +A: CatX == add {foo(): I == 0;} +B: CatX == add {foo(): I == 1;} import from MachineInteger; -X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); -main(): () =3D=3D { +X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); +main(): () == { import from X; stdout << (X has with{ foo:() -> I }) << newline; @@ -4876,7 +3328,7 @@ main(): () =3D=3D { } main(); -LC_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -Fx= +LC_ALL=C /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=-Wopts=-m32 -Fx= = -lalgebra -laldor test2.as && ./test2 && sleep 1 && ./test2 @@ -4889,36 +3341,10 @@ T T 0 --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3pjH-0001eL-Rn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3pjG-0001dN-C2 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3pjD-0001cg-UA - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3pjD-0001cc-QO - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:19 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3pja-0001zT-8c - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:47:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2006 07:47:18 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-5.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.5] - by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 09:47:18 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:47:16 +0200 -To: Bill Page, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, aldor-l +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello, @@ -4935,9 +3361,9 @@ least"? >> >> Take for example >> >> ->> >> A: Join(CatA, CatX) =3D=3D add {...} ->> >> B: Join(CatB, CatX) =3D=3D add {...} ->> >> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random() then A else B; +>> >> A: Join(CatA, CatX) == add {...} +>> >> B: Join(CatB, CatX) == add {...} +>> >> X: CatX == if odd? random() then A else B; > > The reason of course is because the expression 'odd? random()' > is not static - it does not have a well-defined value at the @@ -4955,11 +3381,11 @@ point of view, the "if" is the problem. Ralf already provided an example= where - X: CatX =3D=3D if true then (A add) else (B add); + X: CatX == if true then (A add) else (B add); worked, while - X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; + X: CatX == if true then A else B; did not. In this example "true" takes the place of "odd? random()". "tru= e" = @@ -4972,41 +3398,10 @@ statement is the problem. As I showed in http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2006-July/000228.html , hinting the comiler by "@" works perfectly well. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3qUA-000227-EZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:35:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3qU6-00020C-7I - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:35:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3qU4-0001yf-6j - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:35:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3qU3-0001y3-2r - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:35:43 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3qUP-0005RA-3O - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6L8ZcQY001673 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:35:38 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:37:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list, aldor-l +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello Christian, @@ -5248,38 +3643,10 @@ X: CatX == if true then A else A; I am amazed. I had also tried foo()$X but the compiler still complained. -Ciao -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3soN-0004U4-6i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:04:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3soL-0004Ty-Aw - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:04:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3soH-0004TE-67 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:04:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3soH-0004TB-33 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:04:45 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3sof-0002DJ-Et - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6LB4XQY003540 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:04:41 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:06:26 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: semantics of categories Last night I was referring to some problems with categories as first @@ -5291,41 +3658,12 @@ I've already put a copy of this and the other papers in that directory to http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs/articles/ -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3tTD-0007gN-S3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:47:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3tTC-0007gH-2v - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:47:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3tT9-0007g5-JN - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:47:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3tT9-0007g2-Ei - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:46:59 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3tTY-0005Ls-65 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:47:24 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6LBktQY004116 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:46:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:48:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> - <35877.80.120.210.104.1153461522.squirrel@webmail.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , - list, aldor-l +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On 07/21/2006 07:58 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear all, @@ -5339,44 +3677,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBox7 mainHB and mainHS return false is totally clear. You define a *new* domain H and declare its type to be just CatA. What else would you expect? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3vGg-0006D6-Lp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:42:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3vGd-0006Cw-MZ - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:42:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3vGa-0006CW-Jf - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:42:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3vGZ-0006CR-Nx - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:42:07 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.1.47] (helo=webmail.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3vGz-0008LH-KV - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:42:33 -0400 -Received: from webmail.univie.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by webmail.univie.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LDfqVK074611; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:41:52 +0200 (CEST) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) -Received: (from www@localhost) - by webmail.univie.ac.at (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k6LDfcSJ074603; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:41:38 +0200 (CEST) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - Martin Rubey using -f -Received: from 80.120.210.104 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rubeym9) - by webmail.univie.ac.at with HTTP; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:41:38 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: semantics of categories From: Martin Rubey -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: semantics of categories On Fr, 21.07.2006, 13:06, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Last night I was referring to some problems with categories as first @@ -5394,33 +3699,7 @@ since I guess that this is exactly what we were doing in our version of combinat -- i.e., the parser I wrote, that takes a string and returns a combinatorial class. -Martin - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3vhX-0007c4-Jq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:09:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3vhV-0007bW-Lf - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:09:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3vhU-0007bK-45 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:09:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3vhT-0007bH-UJ - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:09:55 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.190] (helo=web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3vhu-0002RV-8R - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:10:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 69662 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2006 14:09:54 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=s0Pqjn8yBFxyVT8LqQsnEFcf6TYsq0HX8+O0h7Fih1DOst6T3KFBLAh8iwxUWMiTB4hIL6A7rzQCyGEbKJAdqaXkGq+tC+7t3XNpa1UPMk4ZNqUX/e9kJXv22IUJDOe6V27PQQA4QsNN2AS5GySsEYkafgtdW7MBeAsHow3N1Dw= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:09:54 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -5516,44 +3795,11 @@ scale up as far as might be needed in the future. Since this is a decision and a convention that would have widespread results, I invite comment and discussion. -Cheers, -Cliff - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3weZ-0003FM-Uv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:10:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3weZ-0003FH-7V - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:10:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3weW-0003F5-JW - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:10:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3weW-0003F2-G4 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:10:56 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G3wex-0007kI-B2 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:11:23 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6LFAsQY007080 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:10:54 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:12:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - questions to consider -Cc: list Hello Cliff, @@ -5577,41 +3823,11 @@ up a fixed view on the bibliographic data as ONE .bib.pamphlet would be. I rather think that should be just digitally accessible with links and everything. In book form it only has half the value. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3yUG-0006zc-HO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:08:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3yUE-0006yh-Cm - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:08:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G3yUC-0006yJ-6v - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:08:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G3yUC-0006yG-2C - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:08:24 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G3yUd-0000gY-VL - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:08:52 -0400 -Received: (qmail 33420 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2006 17:08:22 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=6c8q3Bc9p8JlQ06TX3chVNySPcGNhGj0M4m8UmXIOs3iFqTf/MKDDOt4m+Y+nLvl0xmQCPnmqRerrc1E1UBG+XtTAX8LchQxxA0rLbWgUQrCkoJJ/KiezJQpDBMvvF7Bu7uBYg9UcB3fbymTYYPA+kxBAHR+gcv9Mt1+si0SIvg= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:08:22 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - questions to consider To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Axiom bibliography - questions to consider --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5661,45 +3877,10 @@ able to print the entire bibliography is probably of some interest, for the sake of completeness. But that shouldn't interfere with more mundane and practical uses :-). -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G40pj-000681-J4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:38:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G40ph-00066v-C0 - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:38:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G40pe-00065u-UF - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:38:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G40pe-00065q-Np - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:38:42 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.187] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G40q8-0005cd-8G - for list; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:39:12 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so846755nfc - for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=XauKIZFROV20Yy/afTgiRUfq4WTmrzWcJNSMe+yKS3Fw3dcZeBJc+4d090di0ZK0UAOrgTkrTl1bFORanT/YgZVuKHnNhQX9XXq5EsATkIo3R5tkMTp5BuRSZVNC2RyZc3ww+WIftyh3erb6zpxfMB4pCEdflElHTXWcYo6DFIk= -Received: by 10.78.151.3 with SMTP id y3mr561540hud; - Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:40 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.11 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:40 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:38:40 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Axiom developers" , - doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net -Cc: +To: list Subject: Doyen Wiki Hi everyone, @@ -5718,35 +3899,7 @@ engine and future algebra systems to work in the Wiki. If you have any problem accessing it, please let me know. -Comments??? - -A.P. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4JUG-0007qv-4z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:33:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4JUD-0007pi-Ig - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:33:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4JUC-0007pQ-2f - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:33:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4JUC-0007pN-1M - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:33:48 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.194] (helo=web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4JUr-0007uj-3N - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:34:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 57058 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Reg0U+But+//k0BQA25xLJZxl+GmL+kA4KwoU3w/18rC3rK99yKzM5D5S4LzSfMMc16RWxca5WTarOimBSEo8s4+4lh4VcEtKWPE4Fyk42vO3RdMYD5mz5gW9YdaTuz6TUA49Pu3GJaQUcT7jbb4gV+pEb+S6pvFrMuzxI1hUOE= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:33:43 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -5757,44 +3910,11 @@ files are loaded into the lisp environment once gcl is built? I'm trying to figure out how to attempt a sbcl build and I'm not quite sure how to "plug in" sbcl instead of the axiom copy of gcl. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4Nxj-0003BJ-6j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:20:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4Nxi-0003B6-91 - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:20:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4Nxg-0003At-61 - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:20:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4Nxg-0003Aq-0D - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:20:32 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G4NyN-00039p-UP - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:21:16 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.61.190.23]) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6MKK32E027341; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:20:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Order of loading of lisp files? +\start Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:19:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list - -CY, +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Order of loading of lisp files? On July 22, 2006 11:34 AM you wrote: > @@ -5844,44 +3964,10 @@ He wrote: Well, I am certainly listening, but unfortunately we have not heard anything more from either of them since that exchange. :( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4Oj5-0001FF-0f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:09:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4Oj3-0001F3-UQ - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:09:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4Oj1-0001Eg-Ey - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:09:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4Oj1-0001EW-1c - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:09:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4Ojj-0006am-Cl - for list; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:10:11 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6ML9ADm016663 - for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:09:24 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28897 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 21:09:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 22 Jul 2006 21:09:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6ML1iv22918; - Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:01:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:01:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: Camm Maguire, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: compile failure Camm @@ -5910,35 +3996,12 @@ make[1]: *** [lspdir] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/axiom49' make: *** [all] Error 2 - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4X23-0002bp-Dk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:01:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4X22-0002bN-2O - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:01:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4X21-0002bB-7B - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:01:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4X21-0002b8-4F - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:01:37 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G4X2o-000827-Ar - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:02:26 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-190-23.anikast.net [207.61.190.23]) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6N6118e016298; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:01:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:00:56 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Christian Aistleitner' , - list, 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf, @@ -6389,41 +4452,11 @@ you have given an example where this is not the case. I would look at the situation of dependent types. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4cu8-00023Q-IY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:17:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4cu5-0001zo-G9 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:17:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4cu3-0001xa-Ax - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:17:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4cu2-0001xM-Hl - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:17:46 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4cut-00039o-MT - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:18:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 66829 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2006 12:17:45 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=U+wpQxjfE35QUCg4rbbJifZ2J+tBCI9Ic7R6iOLVXyHr5sIc2Hu3rdE/7BXrPRrtin83xdO2/va+rt1mwD9RtSk9YCRGzbjJK8pFxa+qnDIrzHzxQpCGKDntMLDouD9nVBn7qjJrYiJuj5qPpUkGzplmuuo/PeA050l7p9EpP4E= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:17:45 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Order of loading of lisp files? To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Order of loading of lisp files? --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -6521,90 +4554,20 @@ prepared for Tim yet ;-). I'll see if I can run the CMUCL version. -Cheers, and thanks. - -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4dvb-0007qf-QN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:23:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4dva-0007pt-0k - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:23:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4dvW-0007ml-7z - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:23:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4dvW-0007mi-4J - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:23:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4dwO-0000yd-1J - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:24:16 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NDMmwB022149 - for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:23:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 750 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 13:22:50 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 23 Jul 2006 13:22:50 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6NDFV530657; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:15:31 -0400 +\start Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:15:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:17:45 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Order of loading of lisp files? -Cc: list see src/interp/debugsys.lisp.pamphlet for the load order. axiom actually loads the .o files but debugsys is interpreted and loads the lisp versions. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4fTh-0004lp-LT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:02:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4fTf-0004lM-RJ - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:02:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4fTd-0004l9-Gk - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:02:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4fTd-0004l6-9P - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:02:41 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4fUV-0007WC-FQ - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:03:35 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NF2OPS024129 - for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:02:24 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15405 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 15:02:26 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 23 Jul 2006 15:02:26 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6NEt7l30673; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:55:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:55:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: info@ohloh.net -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Scott Collison Subject: axiom entry Gentlemen, @@ -6618,45 +4581,14 @@ search engines will catalog your version and it will never go away. Please remove Axiom from your site. -Tim Daly -Axiom Lead Developer - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4hVQ-0002oh-Nx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:12:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4hVO-0002oB-PZ - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:12:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4hVM-0002mw-L9 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:12:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4hVM-0002mr-CD - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:12:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4hWG-0000dD-HU - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:13:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2ED40E22; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:12:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6NHD4Zw002446; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:13:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6NHD4IF002445; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:13:04 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 23 Jul 2006 19:13:04 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: compile failure -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Jul 2006 19:13:04 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Camm | @@ -6697,72 +4629,16 @@ Can you try ? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4hzX-00006w-42 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4hzV-00005z-BU - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4hzS-0008UB-Pi - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4hzS-0008Te-3P - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:42 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4i0I-00037P-Sh - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:44:38 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NHhTvj026138 - for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:43:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22595 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 17:43:29 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 23 Jul 2006 17:43:29 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6NHa1r26444; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:36:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:36:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 23 Jul 2006 19:13:04 +0200) Subject: Re: compile failure - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire that fixed it. the breakage has moved elsewhere. thanks. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nBp-0008Fg-Bs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:16:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nBo-0008Fa-HN - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:16:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nBn-0008FO-JQ - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:16:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4nBn-0008FL-DO - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:16:47 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4nCl-0007ud-0u - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:17:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25158 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2006 23:16:01 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=H7h30KMbHVUUYRUL8lQSFi4jT2S1PtBwf+sMuKgAu8Q2KWZirFV4RxqDBRIZKg4L3VF57uBXQ9RIA3y3NPwwYbPoWqrCrHAawTa+n1Ujuk+hMS0Z/ny4I6lyLZvGICYG1O3cocATo8ZY5XMbjYWG2GPW5dH3GFP98o4PKDYiVYg= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:16:01 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -6794,45 +4670,9 @@ base. The multiple images used in the bootstrapping process (something I gather would be rendered unnecessary by the lisp conversion?) tend to complicate things. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nQh-0002tE-GW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:32:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nQg-0002sb-0U - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:32:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nQf-0002sC-03 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:32:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4nQe-0002s8-Nf - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:32:08 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4nRc-0000IW-Gj - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:33:08 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NNVmkX008614 - for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:31:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 23596 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 22:55:00 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 23 Jul 2006 22:55:00 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6NMlYw19522; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:47:34 -0400 +\start Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:47:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Correctness/Provability/Compiling @@ -6848,44 +4688,13 @@ do things like decorate the Categories and Domains with mathematical axioms (e.g. Group) and prove properties like commutative rather than just assert them. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nkR-0004C7-H4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:52:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nkP-00047k-F4 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:52:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nkN-000469-9w - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:52:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4nkN-000466-63 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:52:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4nlL-0001ZM-0d - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:53:31 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881EC4F3C0; - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:52:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6NNr01l007521; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:53:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6NNr0ja007520; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:53:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 24 Jul 2006 01:53:00 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Correctness/Provability/Compiling -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Jul 2006 01:53:00 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Functional Pearl, A Type-correct, stack-safe, provably correct | expression compiler in Epigram. @@ -6907,43 +4716,11 @@ Funny, you should mention that. In our design for "C++ concepts", we have provision for that -- though it is not enforced in the typpe system directtly, but can be used for auxiliary tools. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nnI-0005cP-NM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:55:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nnH-0005cB-5W - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:55:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4nnG-0005bk-2t - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:55:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4nnF-0005bh-SU - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:55:29 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4noD-0001le-O1 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:56:29 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NNtOkM022983 - for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:55:25 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25087 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 23:55:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 23 Jul 2006 23:55:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6NNloO24304; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:47:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:47:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:16:01 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Translation of the interp to lisp -Cc: list > 1. Where is the most current work on that translation? Is it in the > silver/gold branches? Or one of the tla archives? (Sorry if I missed @@ -6975,43 +4752,13 @@ once we have an idea of the ansi differences the next task will be to either try to get it running in GCL again or move the system onto sbcl. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4oKI-0004oE-Ln - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4oKH-0004lx-1A - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4oKF-0004it-J5 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4oKF-0004ih-5e - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:35 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.193] (helo=web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4oLD-0003zZ-A4 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:30:35 -0400 -Received: (qmail 92117 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2006 00:29:34 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=nt4DUpp+nWcOjRxSNr85NMPC2hmMvfsbnUvqOygS5bprDw+9iyJ/zFAbUeop1mC9FcZOdnNAPMEPby0yOH3Mww4J0afzwLvTSbTA1+dxXpISovM3F2Zg/MZtGQjCYh4ORVPnBtw+kqTlDAes0IW3Cyg0AivC0reouvM5PGgxNR0= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:29:34 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Translation of the interp to lisp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Translation of the interp to lisp ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > > 1. Where is the most current work on that translation? Is it in > > the silver/gold branches? Or one of the tla archives? (Sorry if @@ -7091,47 +4838,10 @@ though, is shift from the Ctl2 image to the ANSI image. I know GCL isn't all the way to ANSI yet, but maybe our moving there will help that process along :-). -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4ork-0004HE-TE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:04:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4ori-0004Gx-B4 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:04:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4orf-0004Gf-VS - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:04:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4orf-0004Gc-PG - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:04:07 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4ose-0006Ls-6w - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:05:08 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6O13wfN025092 - for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:03:59 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18861 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 01:03:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 24 Jul 2006 01:03:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6O0uYu24357; - Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:56:34 -0400 +\start Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:56:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: emil volcheck Emil Volcheck -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Emil Volcheck Subject: SELinux vs Lisp Emil, @@ -7161,35 +4871,10 @@ Please pass along, rather more emphatically, that SELinux should not break fundamental computing technology like lisp systems. If they cannot build GCL they should not promote the SELinux change. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4plp-0003JG-M4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:02:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4plo-0003It-B1 - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:02:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4pln-0003I0-PB - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:02:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4pln-0003Hs-JU - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:02:07 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G4pmm-0001zg-Jq - for list; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:03:08 -0400 -Received: from asus (207-61-190-23.anikast.net [207.61.190.23]) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6O21ZMI016183; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:01:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:01:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants On July 21, 2006 2:38 AM Christian Aistleitner wrote: @@ -7318,42 +5003,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorSemantics > I hope we both deem my solution to be "nice" :) > -Very Nice, indeed! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4tzP-0004f8-Uq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:32:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4tzO-0004dI-3m - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:32:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4tzN-0004au-2w - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:32:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4tzM-0004aW-Qu - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:32:24 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4u0O-0005Qa-Aq - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:33:28 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jul 2006 06:32:21 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-149.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.149] - by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 08:32:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:32:11 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> - - <44C0924A.6060707@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, aldor-l +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello, @@ -7368,21 +5021,21 @@ te: >> #include "aldor" >> import from String, TextWriter, Character; >> ->> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with { } ->> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with { } ->> define SomeCat: Category =3D=3D with { CatA; CatB; } ->> Dom: SomeCat =3D=3D Integer add; +>> define CatA: Category == with { } +>> define CatB: Category == with { } +>> define SomeCat: Category == with { CatA; CatB; } +>> Dom: SomeCat == Integer add; >> ->> B: CatA =3D=3D Dom; +>> B: CatA == Dom; >> >> stdout << "B has CatA: " << ( B has CatA ) << newline; >> stdout << "B has CatB: " << ( B has CatB ) << newline; >> ->> func( DomParam: CatB ):() =3D=3D { stdout << "called func" << newline= +>> func( DomParam: CatB ):() == { stdout << "called func" << newline= ; } >> >> ->> C_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -= +>> C_ALL=C /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=-Wopts=-m32 -= Fx >> -lalgebra -laldor -D IFCLAUSE test2.as && ./test2 >> cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documentation for = @@ -7407,7 +5060,7 @@ Fx I wanted to elaborate on the possible uses for ": SomeType" in statement= s = -like "SomeIdent: SomeType =3D=3D SomeThing". Indeed I explained that in = +like "SomeIdent: SomeType == SomeThing". Indeed I explained that in = the = part you chopped off when quoting: @@ -7425,12 +5078,12 @@ B has static type CatA and dynamic type SomeCat. >> What about the following: >> ->> Universe of the compiler before B: CatA =3D=3D DOM: +>> Universe of the compiler before B: CatA == DOM: >> >> Dom ( StaticType: SomeCat; Implementation at memory location 123456 )= >> ->> After the B: CatA =3D=3D Dom: +>> After the B: CatA == Dom: >> >> Dom ( StaticType: SomeCat; Implementation at memory location 123456 )= @@ -7458,17 +5111,17 @@ where CatB is expected (func( B )). Hence, B cannot have SomeCat. >>> ---BEGIN aaa5.as >>> #include "aldor" ->>> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; ->>> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with; ->>> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with; +>>> define CatA: Category == with; +>>> define CatB: Category == with; +>>> define CatX: Category == with; >>> ->>> A: Join(CatX, CatA) =3D=3D add; ->>> B: Join(CatX, CatB) =3D=3D add; +>>> A: Join(CatX, CatA) == add; +>>> B: Join(CatX, CatB) == add; >>> #if ADD >>> import from MachineInteger; ->>> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); +>>> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); >>> #else ->>> X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; +>>> X: CatX == if true then A else B; >>> #endif >>> ---END aaa5.as >>> @@ -7477,7 +5130,7 @@ where CatB is expected (func( B )). Hence, B cannot have SomeCat. >>> compiles without any complaints. Now try without the ADD assertion. >>> >>> >aldor -fx -laldor aaa5.as ->>> "aaa5.as", line 14: X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; +>>> "aaa5.as", line 14: X: CatX == if true then A else B; >>> ...........^ >>> [L14 C12] #1 (Error) Have determined 0 possible types for the = @@ -7485,11 +5138,11 @@ where CatB is expected (func( B )). Hence, B cannot have SomeCat. >>> Subexpression `A': >>> Meaning 1: >>> Join(CatX, CatA) with ->>> =3D=3D... +>>> ==... >>> Subexpression `B': >>> Meaning 1: >>> Join(CatX, CatB) with ->>> =3D=3D... +>>> ==... >>> The context requires an expression of type CatX. >>> >>> @@ -7516,13 +5169,13 @@ n > type I can think of for "A add" is that of "A" so it would be > Join(CatX,CatA). But then some miracles happen if you say > -> X: CatX =3D=3D A add; +> X: CatX == A add; > > That simply forgets the CatA exports. That's no miracle to me. Consider the statement -A: B =3D=3D C add D +A: B == C add D The "add" cuts off (mostly) all things of C such that the type of the cu= t = @@ -7541,14 +5194,14 @@ ss > #include "aldor" > #include "aldorio" > -> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with; +> define CatA: Category == with; +> define CatX: Category == with; > -> A: Join(CatX, CatA) =3D=3D add; -> X: CatX =3D=3D A add; stdout << (X has CatA) << newline; -> Y: CatX =3D=3D A; stdout << (Y has CatA) << newline; +> A: Join(CatX, CatA) == add; +> X: CatX == A add; stdout << (X has CatA) << newline; +> Y: CatX == A; stdout << (Y has CatA) << newline; > #if WITHZ -> Z: CatA =3D=3D Y; stdout << (Z has CatA) << newline; +> Z: CatA == Y; stdout << (Z has CatA) << newline; > #endif > ---END aaa7.as > @@ -7559,7 +5212,7 @@ ss > T > > >aldor -DWITHZ -grun -laldor aaa7.as -> "aaa7.as", line 11: Z: CatA =3D=3D Y; stdout << (Z has CatA) << n= +> "aaa7.as", line 11: Z: CatA == Y; stdout << (Z has CatA) << n= ewline; > ...........^ > [L11 C12] #1 (Error) There are 0 meanings for `Y' in this context. @@ -7573,7 +5226,7 @@ en Because Y has static type CatX and dynamic type with{ CatA; CatX; }. The compiler uses the static type to check if Y can be used in "Z: CatA = -=3D=3D = +== = Y". The "has" checks the dynamic type. @@ -7584,7 +5237,7 @@ No bug for me ;) >>> Now if we assume that >>> ->>> X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else B; +>>> X: CatX == if true then A else B; >>> >>> yield an X of the type of the domain on the right hand side then the= @@ -7599,7 +5252,7 @@ is not too good when working out types across conditional statements ;( >>> complain anymore. >> Not true for me--I still get the corresponding errors: > Sorry, I meant -> X: CatX =3D=3D if true then A else A; +> X: CatX == if true then A else A; > (no B anymore). Then it's obvious. The compiler can infer the proper types. In both = @@ -7612,15 +5265,15 @@ is easier, as the least common type is again TypeOfA. >>> ---BEGIN aaa6.as >>> #include "aldor" >>> #include "aldorio" ->>> macro I =3D=3D MachineInteger; ->>> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with {foo: () -> I} ->>> A: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 0;} ->>> B: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 1;} +>>> macro I == MachineInteger; +>>> define CatX: Category == with {foo: () -> I} +>>> A: CatX == add {foo(): I == 0;} +>>> B: CatX == add {foo(): I == 1;} >>> >>> import from MachineInteger; ->>> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then A else B; +>>> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then A else B; >>> ->>> main(): () =3D=3D { +>>> main(): () == { >>> import from X; >>> stdout << foo() << newline; >>> } @@ -7631,7 +5284,7 @@ is easier, as the least common type is again TypeOfA. >>> >>> The interesting part of aaa6.as is that now if one writes >>> ->>> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); +>>> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); >>> >>> (with the "add"), the program does not compile anymore in contrast t= o @@ -7649,13 +5302,13 @@ o >> >> #include "aldor" >> #include "aldorio" ->> macro I =3D=3D MachineInteger; ->> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with {foo: () -> I} ->> A: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 0;} ->> B: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 1;} +>> macro I == MachineInteger; +>> define CatX: Category == with {foo: () -> I} +>> A: CatX == add {foo(): I == 0;} +>> B: CatX == add {foo(): I == 1;} >> import from MachineInteger; ->> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); ->> main(): () =3D=3D { +>> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then (A add) else (B add); +>> main(): () == { >> import from X; >> >> stdout << (X has with{ foo:() -> I }) << newline; @@ -7663,7 +5316,7 @@ o >> } >> main(); >> ->> LC_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 = +>> LC_ALL=C /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=-Wopts=-m32 = -Fx >> -lalgebra -laldor test2.as && ./test2 && sleep 1 && ./test2 >> cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documentation for = @@ -7682,42 +5335,11 @@ d. So the code I gave does not compile at your place? - --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4ubi-00073K-4G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:12:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4ubf-00071Z-UG - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:11:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4ubc-0006y7-W2 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:11:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4ubc-0006y4-Pp - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:11:56 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4uce-0006oS-Sy - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:13:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jul 2006 07:11:55 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-149.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.149] - by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 09:11:55 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> - <35877.80.120.210.104.1153461522.squirrel@webmail.univie.ac.at> - <44C0BF1F.60102@hemmecke.de> +\start Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:11:54 +0200 -Cc: list, aldor-l +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -7735,37 +5357,10 @@ On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:48:47 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: That link gives some Polynomials and integrate stuff. Is this really the correct link? --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4v0t-0004lA-QL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:38:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4v0s-0004kM-EZ - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:38:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G4v0q-0004hy-SZ - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:38:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G4v0q-0004hr-Q9 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:38:00 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G4v1t-0000pU-2F - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:39:05 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jul 2006 07:37:58 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-149.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.149] - by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 09:37:58 +0200 +\start Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:37:52 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello, @@ -7777,15 +5372,15 @@ Bill Page wrote: >> ---BEGIN aaa6.as >> #include "aldor" >> #include "aldorio" ->> macro I =3D=3D MachineInteger; ->> define CatX: Category =3D=3D with {foo: () -> I} ->> A: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 0;} ->> B: CatX =3D=3D add {foo(): I =3D=3D 1;} +>> macro I == MachineInteger; +>> define CatX: Category == with {foo: () -> I} +>> A: CatX == add {foo(): I == 0;} +>> B: CatX == add {foo(): I == 1;} >> >> import from MachineInteger; ->> X: CatX =3D=3D if odd? random(10) then A else B; +>> X: CatX == if odd? random(10) then A else B; >> ->> main(): () =3D=3D { +>> main(): () == { >> import from X; >> stdout << foo() << newline; >> } @@ -7810,7 +5405,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: >> >> [...] > [...] -> main(): () =3D=3D { +> main(): () == { > import from X; > stdout << foo() << newline; > stdout << foo() << newline; @@ -7828,7 +5423,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: > runtime of the program, the result is constant and not variable > as you might be expecting. -I'd strongly expect it to be constant at runtime! "=3D=3D" gives a const= +I'd strongly expect it to be constant at runtime! "==" gives a const= ant. = So it should be constant. @@ -7857,38 +5452,11 @@ y = once, hence for the whole program execution X acts like either A or B. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G520c-0005ah-BD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:06:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G520a-0005Yy-S3 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:06:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G520Z-0005WZ-0G - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:06:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G520Y-0005WN-Pm - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:06:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G521f-0002i9-Fm - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:07:19 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6OF5Rp6009955; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:05:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants +\start Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:05:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants On July 24, 2006 3:12 AM Christian Aistleitner wrote: > On 07/21/2006 07:58 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -7912,38 +5480,10 @@ modified it a little and added some of the more recent examples. Everyone: Please feel free to add explanatory text and more examples there. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G528p-0001Nr-RX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G528o-0001Nm-LT - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G528m-0001Na-4X - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G528l-0001NX-Vv - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:40 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G529s-0003l8-Qz - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:49 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6OFEDPc006133; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:29 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants On July 24, 2006 3:38 AM Christian Aistleitner @@ -8010,81 +5550,22 @@ programming languages do. I agree. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G52eW-0000eS-5N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:47:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G52eU-0000cU-Fe - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:47:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G52eT-0000Zy-20 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:47:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G52eS-0000ZU-Pb - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:47:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G52fV-0006zB-GL - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:48:34 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OFkpl1020419 - for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:46:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11134 invoked from network); 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We certainly do not want different versions of the Aldor language. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G54Ia-0001RF-BF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:32:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G54IZ-0001Qu-8j - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:32:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G54IV-0001PZ-Lt - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:32:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G54IV-0001PS-I9 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:32:51 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G54Jd-0001dH-Pv - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:34:01 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OHWVHI032103 - for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:32:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15020 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 17:32:31 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 24 Jul 2006 17:32:31 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6OHP1L25068; - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:25:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:25:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:15:02 +0200) - - <44C50016.9010805@hemmecke.de> -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > But that brings me to another question. In order to figure out what the > Aldor language actually is, there is only the AUG to consult. If that is @@ -8347,59 +5734,37 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Ask Stephen Watt (Stephen Watt) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G54vs-0001Mc-1Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:13:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G54vq-0001Lc-Tj - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:13:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G54vn-0001LI-3W - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:13:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G54vm-0001Jz-UR - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:13:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G54wp-0005sG-8Z - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:14:32 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6OICX0d007958; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:12:57 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:12:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On July 24, 2006 1:15 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 -> What I wanted to demonstrate is that "A add {...}" has a type=20 +> ... +> What I wanted to demonstrate is that "A add {...}" has a type > and is a value of its own. Hmmm... in Aldor values do not have types. "A add {...}" is an "add expression". ->=20 -> But if used in a context like "X: CatX =3D=3D ... " it does=20 +> +> But if used in a context like "X: CatX == ... " it does > matter whether there is an "add" *explicitly* appearing on > the right hand side. That is not just an ordinary assignment > of constants, i.e. ->=20 -> constName: SomeType =3D=3D somevalue; ->=20 +> +> constName: SomeType == somevalue; +> > I can live with that, and it is probably a good thing, but > I think to figure out the difference of ->=20 -> X: CatX =3D=3D Dom; +> +> X: CatX == Dom; > and -> X: CatX =3D=3D Dom add; ->=20 -> is not something obvious. Be honest, who has read the AUG and=20 +> X: CatX == Dom add; +> +> is not something obvious. Be honest, who has read the AUG and > could have explained the difference? The concept of inheritance in Aldor is obviously very important. @@ -8416,17 +5781,17 @@ Axiom Wiki, would there be any people willing to review, extend and update it? After all, that kind of collaboration is what wikis are supposed to especially good for, right? ->=20 -> But that brings me to another question. In order to figure=20 +> +> But that brings me to another question. In order to figure > out what the Aldor language actually is, there is only the AUG > to consult. If that is imprecise, who is going to have the last > word if it comes to implement the details in the compiler? We > certainly do not want different versions of the Aldor language. ->=20 +> >From this site: -http://hopl.murdoch.edu.au/showlanguage.prx?exp=3D1777 +http://hopl.murdoch.edu.au/showlanguage.prx?exp=1777 I found a reference to the following document: @@ -8438,9 +5803,9 @@ It is also referenced here [24] in: A First Report on the A# Compiler http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~watt/pub/reprints/1994-ibmtr-asharp.pdf -http://portal.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=3D190356&type=3Dpdf&coll=3Dportal= -&dl=3DACM&C -FID=3D15151515&CFTOKEN=3D6184618 +http://portal.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=190356&type=pdf&coll=portal= +&dl=ACM&C +FID=15151515&CFTOKEN=6184618 Unfortunately I have not been able to find a copy of this anywhere on the web. @@ -8448,46 +5813,12 @@ on the web. If someone has an electronic version or a copy of this in their paper files would you be prepared to scan it and upload it for us? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57Ab-0004b5-71 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:36:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57AY-0004ax-Jv - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:36:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57AX-0004al-2x - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:36:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G57AW-0004ai-UL - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:36:48 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.207] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G57BS-0004Qq-Or - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:37:47 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s9so756494wxc - for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:35:31 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Vrv3+yTwNMdDvDXoixbBrTO6jLN5Uv8YpuTjKdgXesawfcZKHFsuiIe23wEzcRxLlk+tp1RW+uHUDdF85hELZVjlNw5TuvyqEOXsAGr04nbtOG7CO4371W6VL5lrfFFvlrVHq+/MEi0FJeEUDbx2DUjrIaeT+dSRKCjENT/A+/c= -Received: by 10.70.36.9 with SMTP id j9mr5259803wxj; - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:35:31 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.41.6 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:35:31 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Tim Daly - boundary="----=_Part_18768_6649610.1153773331082" - - <44C50016.9010805@hemmecke.de> - <200607241725.k6OHP1L25068@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner ------=_Part_18768_6649610.1153773331082 @@ -8629,63 +5960,12 @@ MyList(t: PrimitiveType): MyListCat( t ) stdout << (MyList( String) has MyListCat( String)) << newline ; stdout << (MyList( Integer) has MyListCat( String)) << newline ; -------=_Part_18768_6649610.1153773331082 - -On Aldor type system discussion :

No all parameter of a type are equivalent( see program at the end) :

MyVecCat( 10) == MyVecCat( 20)
but
MyListCat( Int ) != MyListCat( String)

Even if the argument is not use in the category definition. -

Also "type as value" is something unusual for me, try this :

---------------------------------
#include "aldor"
#include "aldorio"

import from  Boolean , MachineInteger; -

define MyListCat( t:PrimitiveType ): Category -
== with {
    size: () -> Integer; }

MyList(t: PrimitiveType): MyListCat( t )
== add { size(): Integer == 1 }

Mytype:PrimitiveType == String ;
Mytype2: PrimitiveType ==  Integer ;
-
MyRandomType: PrimitiveType ==
if odd? random(2) then Mytype else Mytype2 ;

stdout << (MyList( MyRandomType)   has MyListCat( String)) << newline ;
-----------------------

So type are static but not determined at compile time. -
 
It is why you are allow to use only '==' and no ':=' but if you use destructive function on one of your type argument you have found a sure way to crash any program.

Also I do not know much about dependent type, but I think it is a run time feature only contrary to polymorphic type. -

So how much optimization can we hope to do ? For example can I do unboxing for my polynomial if I am not sure that they will be over machine integer at compile time ? Do we have to use dynamic language trick ?
-
Also about the user guide. It is what the title say a user guide not a language reference manual.
I am personally quite confuse with the Type description.

I think it is important to have a more formal Aldor semantic. -

The type system is quite unique and has some resemblance to modern typed language, for example aldor "Category", from far, look like Haskell "class type".
But from my limited knowledge, type as first class value and dependent type his quite unique. -

There is a paper about the aldor type system on aldor.com I have not taken the time to read it completely but it could be a start even if it only represent a subset of Aldor.

-Chapter 18: Recomendation is very interesting.

I will support the adition of algebraic datatype and I think any addition or modification that make Aldor closer to the popular modern functionall languages will be welcome. -

Also some question that come in my mind :

Do we need a "type system" for the type definition( think Haskell "kind") ?

What about "pretend" is it really needed ? and the special place of Rep, rep and per ? -

Is it possible to implement type inferrence ?

Are any modification needed to make it even more suited for programming computer algebra ?

This only my personal, not very well informed, impression but the Aldor type system seem to have been created out of practical need, I will say trying to formalize a bit the SPAD one but still lack solid theorethical fundation. -
( My bias as an ML enthousiast is that sound theoretical fundation is a must have )

I know there is a lot of hope that the Aldor compiler will become open source.
But a very large piece of un documented C code will not be very ususefull if nobody with a good knowledge of it is willing and able to spend a lot of time on cleaning( I think it does not compile under recent version of gcc), writing documentation and debugging( optimization above O1 does not seem to preserve semantic). -

Maybe we should "audit" aldor source code and decide if we should write a new implementation ?

Something not to forget is the tools around a language, we need a good debugger, profiler and co.
-
For example Ralf Allprose and Christiant Unit testing should be part of the upcoming open Aldor realase and their usage covered in the user documentation to be sure every one use them as much a possible.

Regards -
Antoine Hersen

-- No all type are equal
#include "aldor"
#include "aldorio"

import from  Boolean , Integer;

define MyVecCat( i:Integer ): Category
== with {
    size: () -> Integer; } -

MyVector(i:Integer): MyVecCat( i )
== add {
    size(): Integer == i
}

stdout << (MyVector( 1)  has MyVecCat( 1)) << newline ;
stdout << (MyVector( 1)  has MyVecCat( 2)) << newline ; -

define MyListCat( t:PrimitiveType ): Category
== with {
    size: () -> Integer; }

MyList(t: PrimitiveType): MyListCat( t )
== add {
    size(): Integer == 1
}

stdout << (MyList( String)   has MyListCat( String)) << newline ; -
stdout << (MyList( Integer)  has MyListCat( String)) << newline ;
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We had a similar thing when we discussed about "Dom has Monoid(*, 1)". -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57Wk-00077O-Af - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:59:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57Wh-00075m-Nu - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:59:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57Wd-00073I-FX - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:59:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G57Wd-000735-8N - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:59:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G57Xn-00079b-BW - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:00:51 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6OKxDNQ006994; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:59:29 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, - "'Antoine Hersen'" Antoine Hersen Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:59:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , tmgisi@gmx.at, - 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Antoine Hersen Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On July 24, 2006 4:36 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -8800,50 +6054,12 @@ implementation. This bug will affect the conversion of significant parts of the Axiom library from SPAD to Aldor. See for example DirectProduct. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57v8-0004ns-SS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:24:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57v7-0004ln-NO - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:24:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G57v7-0004ku-3t - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:24:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G57v6-0004ki-Tv - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:24:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G57wH-0001LA-93 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:09 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFAA40F3D; - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:24:53 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6OLPMZl024786; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:25:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6OLPM3C024785; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:25:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen - - <44C50016.9010805@hemmecke.de> - <200607241725.k6OHP1L25068@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Jul 2006 23:25:21 +0200 -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen writes: @@ -8852,11 +6068,11 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants | Also I do not know much about dependent type, but I think it is a run time | feature only contrary to polymorphic type. -http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D292560&coll=3DPortal&dl=3DGUIDE&CFI= -D=3D2132016&CFTOKEN=3D35552809 +http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=292560&coll=Portal&dl=GUIDE&CFI= +D=2132016&CFTOKEN=35552809 -http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D289451&dl=3DGUIDE&coll=3DPortal&CFI= -D=3D2132016&CFTOKEN=3D35552809 +http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=289451&dl=GUIDE&coll=Portal&CFI= +D=2132016&CFTOKEN=35552809 | So how much optimization can we hope to do ? For example can I do unboxing | for my polynomial if I am not sure that they will be over machine integer= @@ -8885,9 +6101,9 @@ not really. See above and chase references in there. | There is a paper about the aldor type system on aldor.com I have not taken | the time to read it completely but it could be a start even if it only | represent a subset of Aldor. -|=20 +| | Chapter 18: Recomendation is very interesting. -|=20 +| | I will support the adition of algebraic datatype and I think any addition= or | modification that make Aldor closer to the popular modern functionall @@ -8901,7 +6117,7 @@ readable codes. Pattern matching is what makes Boot so enjoyable to read. | Also some question that come in my mind : -|=20 +| | Do we need a "type system" for the type definition( think Haskell "kind")= ? @@ -8911,13 +6127,13 @@ Yes, we do. rep | and per ? -For any serious program yes. Even, Haskell has unsafe stuff.=20 +For any serious program yes. Even, Haskell has unsafe stuff. | Is it possible to implement type inferrence ? We need to have type inference for Aldor (or Axiom if we can wait that long). The explicit polymorphism =E0 la System F is just unbearable by -moment.=20 +moment. | Are any modification needed to make it even more suited for programming | computer algebra ? @@ -8939,38 +6155,12 @@ to The same is true for any language, especially Lisp, Boot, or SPAD. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G58Ov-0003i0-Du - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:55:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G58Ot-0003ge-Dr - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:55:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G58Or-0003fQ-TT - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:55:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G58Or-0003fI-M0 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:55:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G58Q2-0004F8-3z - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:56:54 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6OLtXQY011939 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:55:34 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:57:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On 07/24/2006 08:12 PM, Bill Page wrote: > On July 24, 2006 1:15 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -9033,39 +6223,12 @@ Please take some time to understand why for Y the answer is false but for Z it is true. Compare that to the output for X. Is the output for W clear? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G592c-0006AJ-AL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:36:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G592a-00069s-Qp - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:36:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G592X-00069X-6N - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:36:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G592X-00069U-1l - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:36:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G593h-0007tU-W9 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:37:54 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6OMaSQY013441 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:36:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:38:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: 'Christian Aistleitner' , - list, 'aldor-l' Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > Omitted for brevity. Please refer to: > @@ -9212,44 +6375,12 @@ whole program that uses "foo". It's just constant during execution of is perfectly fine. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G59EE-0002tQ-Du - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:48:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G59ED-0002sn-0X - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:48:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G59EA-0002sT-Gk - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:48:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G59EA-0002sQ-Ar - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:48:42 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G59FL-0000V0-CG - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:49:55 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6OMmcQY014002 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:48:38 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:50:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> - - <44C0924A.6060707@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list, aldor-l +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants - >> Now let's make things a bit more complicated. Would you be able to guess >> the output of the following program? >> @@ -9296,47 +6427,12 @@ OK. If the static type is used for type satisfactions, I can live with that. So "has" is in fact a weak way to reflect about domains. But surely, we need true reflections. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G59gn-0006tM-Gm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:18:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G59gk-0006sy-W2 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:18:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G59gi-0006si-N7 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:18:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G59gi-0006sf-Jg - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:18:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G59hu-0002fn-8d - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:19:26 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8210B4F3B8; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:18:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6ONId2p026871; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:18:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6ONIdan026870; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:18:39 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Jul 2006 01:18:38 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants - <44C01BE1.1090103@hemmecke.de> - - <44C0924A.6060707@hemmecke.de> - - <44C54EB9.2070402@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Jul 2006 01:18:38 +0200 -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -9352,36 +6448,12 @@ structure codes. | But surely, we need true reflections. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5AzY-0002Tt-70 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:41:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5AzU-0002S6-Vj - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:41:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5AzT-0002R1-4m - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:41:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5AzS-0002Qq-Di - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:41:38 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5B0e-0001Gg-Pc - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:42:52 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6P0fDSf010239; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:41:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:41:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On July 24, 2006 7:19 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -9408,47 +6480,14 @@ to me, is an essential part of implementing an interpreter But perhaps "has" is not so weak. What other applications of reflection are there other then conditional ones? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BQp-00052F-CH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:09:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BQn-00051M-2J - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:09:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BQk-000519-9s - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:09:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5BQk-000516-5q - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:09:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5BRw-0003v0-Fl - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:11:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E4540E8F; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:09:46 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6P1ACYe028082; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:10:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6P1ACYP028081; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:10:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Jul 2006 03:10:12 +0200 -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list, 'aldor-l' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -9464,46 +6503,22 @@ Support for generic programming. BTW, the deadline for LCSD'06 is soon. I hope to see contributions from the Axiom community there... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BTG-0005g3-K8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:12:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BTE-0005fy-NK - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:12:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BTC-0005fm-5B - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:12:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5BTC-0005fj-0L - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:12:22 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5BUO-00049u-OH - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:13:36 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6P1BfbK028449; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:12:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:11:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf, On July 24, 2006 5:57 PM you wrote: > On 07/24/2006 08:12 PM, Bill Page wrote: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > Hmmm... in Aldor values do not have types. "A add {...}" is > > an "add expression". ->=20 -> OK, maybe my formulation was a bit misleading. I agree that=20 +> +> OK, maybe my formulation was a bit misleading. I agree that > if you look at the memory location where a value is stored > Aldor does not store type information, but still the _compiler_ > should know about the type of that value. Same for "A add {...}". @@ -9520,43 +6535,43 @@ Well, it might be better to say that "type" is not an intrinsic property of a value or even of certain expressions (such as add expressions), but rather that the type depends on the context. -> ...=20 +> ... > ---BEGIN aaa12.as > #include "aldor" > #include "aldorio" ->=20 -> define CatA: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatB: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatC: Category =3D=3D with; -> define CatAB : Category =3D=3D Join(CatA, CatB); -> define CatABC: Category =3D=3D Join(CatAB, CatC); -> ABC: CatABC =3D=3D add; -> X: CatA =3D=3D ABC @CatAB; -> Y: CatA =3D=3D (ABC add); -> Z: CatA =3D=3D (ABC add)@CatAB; -> W: CatA =3D=3D (ABC add)@CatABC; ->=20 +> +> define CatA: Category == with; +> define CatB: Category == with; +> define CatC: Category == with; +> define CatAB : Category == Join(CatA, CatB); +> define CatABC: Category == Join(CatAB, CatC); +> ABC: CatABC == add; +> X: CatA == ABC @CatAB; +> Y: CatA == (ABC add); +> Z: CatA == (ABC add)@CatAB; +> W: CatA == (ABC add)@CatABC; +> > stdout << (X has CatABC) << newline; > stdout << (Y has CatABC) << newline; > stdout << (Z has CatABC) << newline; > stdout << (W has CatABC) << newline; > ---END aaa12.as ->=20 +> > I am sure you can guess the output of the above program. -> But in order to have it recorded in the mailing list, I give=20 -> the output=20 +> But in order to have it recorded in the mailing list, I give +> the output > here. ->=20 +> > >aldor -grun -laldor aaa12.as > T > F > F > T ->=20 +> > Please take some time to understand why for Y the answer is > false but for Z it is true. Compare that to the output for X. > Is the output for W clear? ->=20 +> The result for Z is false. Maybe you meant "why for Y the answer is false but for X it is true"? @@ -9580,50 +6595,11 @@ here is not an add expression. And the output for W seems entirely satisfactory to me. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BaD-0000xn-Le - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BaC-0000xT-3H - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BaA-0000vO-4P - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5BaA-0000vF-1j - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:34 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5BbM-0004rx-Rw - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:20:49 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DD64F3CE; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:19:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6P1K07p028308; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:20:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6P1K03g028307; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:20:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Jul 2006 03:19:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Jul 2006 03:19:59 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -9655,38 +6631,12 @@ find it right now). I've some cron jobs sending results of nightly builds of Axiom on i686 and x86_64 systems to this list but I think they have been blocked. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BeI-0003F0-5j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BeG-0003Ek-Gq - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BeE-0003EL-Ro - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5BeE-0003EI-Nb - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:46 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5BfR-0005E3-IO - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:25:01 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6P1NLgF007838; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:32 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list, 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On July 24, 2006 9:10 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -9717,91 +6667,22 @@ achieve this? > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Blh-00066Z-GA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:31:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Blf-000666-FY - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:31:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Bld-00065g-2e - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:31:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5Blc-00065d-Ui - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:31:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5Bmp-0005st-HW - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:32:39 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6P1VAba000609 - for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:31:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail 8191 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 01:31:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 25 Jul 2006 01:31:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6P1Nj408477; - Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:23:45 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 25 Jul 2006 03:19:59 +0200) Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - -Cc: list done. it will take 8-24 hours --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BuZ-0000x3-Jb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:40:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BuY-0000ww-HO - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:40:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5BuX-0000vK-1R - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:40:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5BuW-0000v4-Sp - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5Bvj-0006gj-O5 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:41:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FD640E31; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:40:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6P1f2rV028518; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:41:04 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6P1f2mK028517; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:41:02 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Jul 2006 03:41:02 +0200 -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list, 'aldor-l' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On July 24, 2006 9:10 PM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -9847,86 +6728,21 @@ know yet which part can be credited to the maturity of the compiler and which part is inherent to the approach. Anyway, it was an interesting experience). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Bys-0002Jk-Ry - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:45:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Byr-0002JH-Pj - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:45:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Byp-0002Ig-Er - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:45:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5Byp-0002Id-7s - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:45:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5C02-000713-5p - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:46:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9735D4F3CB; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:45:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6P1jTUj028662; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:45:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6P1jTor028661; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:45:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Jul 2006 03:45:29 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom trunk failure - - - - <200605040404.k4444DK06684@localhost.localdomain> - - - <200607250123.k6P1Nj408477@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Jul 2006 03:45:29 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | done. it will take 8-24 hours --t -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5DNV-0004dj-Tk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5DNU-0004dL-NV - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5DNT-0004d9-76 - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5DNT-0004d6-4b - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:35 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5DOg-0005LI-MX - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:15:50 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6P3EB2G018845; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:03 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:14:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Gaby, @@ -9953,47 +6769,13 @@ generic code. Can you suggest where I might find a "quick start" tutorial at the level of, say the SortPackage example in section 11.8 of the Axiom book? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Dvr-0000zm-8R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:50:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Dvq-0000z9-2h - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:50:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Dvo-0000yx-LF - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:50:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5Dvo-0000yu-FQ - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:50:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5Dx2-0005oS-9e - for list; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:51:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E814540F82; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:50:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6P3oTfr030081; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:50:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6P3oTMn030080; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:50:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Jul 2006 05:50:29 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -10040,35 +6822,11 @@ combinatorial structures, etc. I'll be thinking about your question and attempt to come up with a mini-tutorial as you suggested. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5F3M-0004gc-Hx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:01:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5F3K-0004fc-DS - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:01:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5F3H-0004f4-AS - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:01:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5F3G-0004f1-UR - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:01:51 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5F4V-00032p-Dk - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:03:07 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Jul 2006 05:01:48 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.216] - by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 07:01:48 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:01:45 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -10087,36 +6845,10 @@ Bill Page wrote: Thank you for the new link--it's working now. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5F6B-0005Ha-7k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:04:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5F69-0005HQ-GS - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:04:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5F67-0005H7-OR - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:04:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5F67-0005H0-Jd - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:04:47 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5F7M-0003FT-5x - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:06:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Jul 2006 05:04:45 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.216] - by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 07:04:45 +0200 +\start Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:04:45 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello, @@ -10136,39 +6868,10 @@ Hello, Ok. The word "faking" is the problem for me. I probably read it in a different way than you wanted me to. But I see we agree. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5FHX-0002V5-Rh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:16:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5FHW-0002UP-1G - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:16:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5FHU-0002UD-If - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:16:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5FHU-0002UA-Dj - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:16:32 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5FIj-0004RE-7X - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:17:49 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Jul 2006 05:16:30 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-225.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.225] - by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 07:16:30 +0200 +\start Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:16:26 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44C50016.9010805@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello @@ -10177,83 +6880,38 @@ Hello > stdout << ( A has CatA) << newline; > stdout << ((A add) has CatA) << newline; > -> It still does not compile. But it should. Both A and "A add" are domai= -ns +> It still does not compile. But it should. Both A and "A add" are domains > of type CatA. -Why should (A add) be of static type CatA? (I assume you meant static ty= -pe = - -although has checks the dynamic type, which of course is something = - -different. The Aldor compiler complains about the static type of "A add"= -.) - -If (A add) had static type with {} in this context, it would be perfectl= -y = - -fine for me. Nevertheless, it is a bug. Once a again a bug, where the ad= -d = - -statement cannot determine which static type it has to satisfy. If you = +Why should (A add) be of static type CatA? (I assume you meant static type +although has checks the dynamic type, which of course is something +different. The Aldor compiler complains about the static type of "A add".) +If (A add) had static type with {} in this context, it would be perfectly +fine for me. Nevertheless, it is a bug. Once a again a bug, where the add +statement cannot determine which static type it has to satisfy. If you hint the compiler, it should work. -> What I wanted to demonstrate is that "A add {...}" has a type and is a= - +> What I wanted to demonstrate is that "A add {...}" has a type and is a > value of its own. > -> But if used in a context like "X: CatX =3D=3D ... " it does matter whe= -ther -> there is an "add" *explicitly* appearing on the right hand side. That = -is +> But if used in a context like "X: CatX == ... " it does matter whether +> there is an "add" *explicitly* appearing on the right hand side. That is > not just an ordinary assignment of constants, i.e. > -> constName: SomeType =3D=3D somevalue; - -Why not? It's just a different "somevalue". -I have not seen any code that cannot be explained by the "add is allowed= - = +> constName: SomeType == somevalue; -to cut off fields" principle or the "add cannot determine the type it ha= -s = +Why not? It's just a different "somevalue". I have not seen any code +that cannot be explained by the "add is allowed to cut off fields" +principle or the "add cannot determine the type it has to fulfill" +bug. -to fulfill" bug. - --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5I3h-0005WH-G7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:14:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5I3f-0005VF-Mp - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:14:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5I3d-0005UE-VE - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:14:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5I3d-0005UB-PT - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:14:25 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5I4u-00032U-Gf - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:15:44 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6P8E6QY017686 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:14:07 +0200 +\start Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:16:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, 'aldor-l' +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > But perhaps "has" is not so weak. What other applications of > reflection are there other then conditional ones? @@ -10293,40 +6951,10 @@ List(*) But that is all I know. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5J3X-0007mG-Qq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:18:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5J3W-0007ks-P3 - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:18:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5J3U-0007hR-0W - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:18:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5J3T-0007h0-Qj - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:18:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5J4l-0000xY-4f - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:19:39 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6P9HoQY021784 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:17:50 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:19:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at - - <44C50016.9010805@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants On 07/25/2006 07:16 AM, Christian Aistleitner wrote: @@ -10357,38 +6985,12 @@ I would say the type of "A add" is CatA (the same as for "A"). here C is the type of A, and x1,...,xn are the symbols defined (using ==) in B, whose types are T1,...,Tn, respectively. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5JBs-0003LY-Ma - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:27:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5JBq-0003Ki-FT - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:26:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5JBq-0003KJ-0f - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:26:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5JBp-0003K8-TL - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:26:57 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5JD7-0001kL-8e - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:28:17 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6P9QjQY022201 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:26:45 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:28:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner >> Y: CatA == (ABC add); >> W: CatA == (ABC add)@CatABC; @@ -10404,45 +7006,12 @@ W has static type CatA and dynamic type CatABC. It basically says that the "(...)@CatABC" hides the "add" inside the parentheses. The whole construction for W is not an add-expression. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Oaf-0002GU-Hx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:12:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5ONp-0003AZ-6B - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:59:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5ONo-0003AJ-Se - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:59:40 -0400 -Received: from [130.113.64.83] (helo=sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5OP9-0005NH-CL - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:01:03 -0400 -Received: from Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA - [130.113.196.61]) - by sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id - k6PExF3L012471; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (univmail.CIS.McMaster.CA - [130.113.64.46]) - by Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6PEx0Ub013315; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:59:09 -0400 -Received: from [69.193.76.85] (account carette@univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca HELO - [192.168.1.101]) - by cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) - with ESMTP-TLS id 133392410; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:59:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:59:05 -0400 -From: Jacques Carette +From: Jacques Carette To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - Antispam-Data: 2006.7.25.73432 - __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, - __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, - __USER_AGENT 0' -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, 'aldor-l' +Cc: Christian Aistleitner If you want a better experience with metaprogramming, I definitely recommend MetaOCaml (http://www.metaocaml.org). Unlike Template @@ -10498,40 +7067,12 @@ PS: MetaOCaml has no introspection features at _all_, by design. No 'has' of anything like it. That makes things extra-challenging, yet still feasible, which was not clear at all when the work was begun. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Omq-0007qc-0y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:25:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Omo-0007qH-Ul - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:25:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Omn-0007pl-HL - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:25:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5Omn-0007pi-9i - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:25:29 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.29] (helo=smtp3-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5Oo8-0007yT-6D - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:26:52 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47594914B - for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:25:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1G5Oml-0002Yd-00 - for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:25:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:25:27 +0200 -To: Axiom developers - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q" From: Frederic Lehobey +To: list Subject: SAGE software - ---ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q - Hi, I have recently discovered this software (not yet tried it): @@ -10542,59 +7083,14 @@ Has any Axiom developper heard about it? I have noticed it provides a binding for Maxima. Maybe is also possible with Axiom? (I do not have the resources to work on such a thing in the near future.) -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey - ---ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFExjfnKJ61IisCKVERAjhOAKDMZ+mlX7ljd/QmgjgJMqdlvnwzfwCfRvag -7Rf7/FCSoQclIYLxKipHbIc= -=J4tB ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Ovc-0004AS-WF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:34:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5Ova-00049g-5y - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:34:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5OvX-00049D-CV - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:34:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5OvX-00049A-5o - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:34:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5Owr-0000NR-Tc - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:35:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B3B40E35; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:34:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6PFYsLG009218; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:34:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6PFYsAe009217; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:34:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Jacques Carette -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - <44C631B9.50100@mcmaster.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 25 Jul 2006 17:34:53 +0200 -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, 'aldor-l' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Jacques Carette +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner -Jacques Carette writes: +Jacques Carette writes: | If you want a better experience with metaprogramming, I definitely | recommend MetaOCaml (http://www.metaocaml.org). Unlike Template @@ -10639,39 +7135,10 @@ decade of metaprogramming in C++. I'm awaiting to read it -- looking very interesting! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5P8s-00007r-6L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5P8q-00006n-92 - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5P8o-00005H-FI - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5P8o-000054-2T - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:14 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.186] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5PA9-0001ob-4Z - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:49:37 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so8405nfc - for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=izxt/U0XjtNGnJClMlL3ySlP9tKmcV1twPv4Aagyq7ZubI6iPCvjm8JIfubAioS+Abp1E7pFc+alT7l6d1lgiXh+CthPuEGQhbs9LxsDxIhAhhqB5uznrLVmNBM0WBAyL9/qYSoaJuaMTvk9pOdU6lAtk8LpzxMkRlHnEvNVGhU= -Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr2393127hue; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.11 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:12 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Axiom developers" -Cc: +To: Bill Page Subject: Doyen content Hi Bill, @@ -10687,33 +7154,7 @@ Anybody can feel free to modify / improve the content on the Wiki. Regards, -JAPP - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5X8D-0006O7-6Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:20:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5X8B-0006Ls-Nw - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:20:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5X87-0006Jw-S4 - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:20:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5X87-0006Jq-L3 - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:20:03 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5X9X-0005xl-NU - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:21:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 50891 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 00:20:02 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Mdlx/dGwp5C0K2t6rC+bgFJKvSM5tPfWcHp4lih/qxIVltZjD92CHlCzlLBKjGVkSr5XP6JrHZ+IJdkNA7ml/S+pkrQVze1H3Wx/TLddMj3zro6L9VKxgIu6jECC5hDWfrFK884pJuaVXB/8xTp0GBNkqgHgRwy5tgWeU1HtlnA= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:20:02 PDT +\start Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -10727,52 +7168,15 @@ code to cl. I think this is the case but before I throw out my current work - is the boot directory in fact entirely redundant functionality wise? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5XPh-00055m-Co - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5XPg-00054a-2M - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5XPc-00051L-5I - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5XPc-00051I-1O - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5XR2-0007Qn-9f - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:39:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 80DEC694FD; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E9CBD691DE; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:04 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom +\start Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:38:04 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcawSVgkOWy4DHF8TXamFbRcTfvIggAASBzQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:20 PM C Y asked: ->=20 -> Question. I've managed so far to get the boottocl command=20 +> +> Question. I've managed so far to get the boottocl command > more or less working (e.g. most of the boot dir code). Good work! @@ -10783,7 +7187,7 @@ Good work! > to cl. I think this is the case but before I throw out my > current work - is the boot directory in fact entirely > redundant functionality wise? ->=20 +> Gee, what could have given you that idea?? @@ -10801,39 +7205,11 @@ However, I think you should be using the make process as defined in the current Axiom makefiles first before trying to change things in a radical manner. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YEo-00008p-49 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:31:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YEm-000075-PK - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:31:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YEk-00005m-7J - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:30:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5YEk-00005Z-51 - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:30:58 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.186] (helo=web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5YGA-0003oB-So - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:32:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail 80495 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 01:30:57 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=CxgzBaK6FcqpytkpbYgY7aEBAkSF7V5BFKtAU7A7C+RYT07YngSrxo91fw7cZOhVi6Tab4od2jpb8IFjWbLgw4i1ulhFe7jKsPe0edlD5FtMzIPQ4DFzARt+0wbrFcvVpXhzUX7hwGTnFrNOAcKRJ6rQnQCGk8MX3NtQOIwEjMI= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:30:57 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -10903,41 +7279,11 @@ Makefiles and debugsys.lisp for file orders, so they're definitely playing a role, and the files themselves should just plug back into their old spots, once they're working. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YQ4-0005dJ-Tu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:42:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YQ3-0005dE-Kb - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:42:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YQ1-0005cd-3D - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:42:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5YQ0-0005cU-V3 - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:42:37 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5YRR-0004zg-QK - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:44:06 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-108-107.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-108-107.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.185.107]) - by mwinf1907.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 008611C00081; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:42:12 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Cliff Yapp +\start Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:41:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom Le mardi 25 juillet 2006 =E0 17:20 -0700, C Y a =E9crit : > Question. I've managed so far to get the boottocl command more or less @@ -10966,60 +7312,15 @@ Greg > I think this is the case but before I throw out my current > work - is the boot directory in fact entirely redundant functionality > wise? ->=20 -> Cheers, -> CY ->=20 -> __________________________________________________ -> Do You Yahoo!? -> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 -> http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YTh-0007d7-O6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YTf-0007cu-SY - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5YTd-0007cU-DH - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5YTd-0007cR-6o - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5YV4-0005Gt-2m - for list; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:47:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 727B069526; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:20 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9AD906947A; - Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" + +\start Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:46:20 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Doyen content -Thread-Index: AcawAb/Oggq9AYfRQY+TkGBvN8vAcQATwKOg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: Axiom developers Subject: RE: Doyen content On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:48 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: ->=20 +> > I started merging the content of axiom-developer into Doyen: > http://doyen.sytes.net > @@ -11092,10 +7393,10 @@ If you want to attempt a modification like this for Doyen please let me know and I can send you the files or tell you how to access them on the axiom-developer website. ->=20 +> > Anybody can feel free to modify / improve the content on the > Wiki. ->=20 +> I would like to re-iterate Alfredo's invitation to other people to contribute to the design of the wiki content on @@ -11104,44 +7405,11 @@ introduce people to Axiom. http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenCD -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5azH-0004KG-SS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5azG-0004KB-94 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5azF-0004Jn-Ao - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5azF-0004Jk-3V - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5b0h-0003wB-JZ - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:28:39 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6Q4QnFq000411 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:26:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10620 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 04:26:50 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 26 Jul 2006 04:26:50 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6Q4JOL09407; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:19:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:19:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom -Cc: list CY, @@ -11374,49 +7642,14 @@ base if we go there). The build process should involve just a drag-and-drop of the volumes and any literate papers containing algorithms you might want to use. - -Tim - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5c46-0008Fw-CC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5c44-0008Ff-37 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5c43-0008FT-C2 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5c43-0008FQ-Ak - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5c5W-0000XL-Aj - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:37:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 81AE469791; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4949869041; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:09 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:36:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcawUycrpm4eu4CsTHaFqcTilVhilAABaEhQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:31 PM C Y wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > The axiom_cmu.tgz archive does not contain the boot directory. I have to admit that I had not previously looked deeply at the @@ -11444,12 +7677,12 @@ to sort all this out for us... :( > exports which are in conflict with definitions made in the boot > files - I'm not completely sure about that but some of the > errors make me wonder. ->=20 +> > > No the boot directory is not redundant. -> >=20 +> > > > Yes you need to compile boot first before you can compile > > anything from interp. ->=20 +> > There is however a second option - take the intermediate lisp files > produced in the current "normal" build, and build those directly > without first generating them from the boot files. I was reluctant @@ -11503,18 +7736,18 @@ knowledgeable. Could you give some examples of the "tweaking"? ->=20 +> > > No the interp directory code does not contain all of the > > functionality of boot (nor any of the functionality of boot > > for that matter). ->=20 +> > Hmm. OK :-). ->=20 +> > > No what you have been doing so far is not a waste of time. > > However, I think you should be using the make process as > > defined in the current Axiom makefiles first before trying > > to change things in a radical manner. ->=20 +> > Since I'm not familiar with make as a tool, I'm trying to keep > everything as much as possible in lisp. @@ -11535,7 +7768,7 @@ It seems to me that more than build order is important. > for lisp loading - I can easily load, for example, the boot > subsystem defined in the boot dir without the rest of the > compile proceeding, then incrementally attempt loading each -> file from the next step.=20 +> file from the next step. I suppose it is possible to integrate asdf into parts of the current build process. You will end up using both make and @@ -11554,41 +7787,15 @@ interpsys). > I'm using both the Makefiles and debugsys.lisp for file orders, > so they're definitely playing a role, and the files themselves > should just plug back into their old spots, once they're working. ->=20 +> We are here to try to help ... :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5cL7-0007Vx-2J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:53:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5cL5-0007Sh-2b - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:53:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5cL4-0007RA-3F - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:53:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5cL3-0007Qo-P2 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:53:45 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5cMW-00024Y-Oh - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:55:17 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Jul 2006 05:53:43 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-226.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.226] - by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 07:53:43 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:53:40 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -11609,40 +7816,10 @@ http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/reflect/Method.html http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/Class.html ... --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5cOO-0001Mi-8a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:57:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5cOM-0001MU-19 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:57:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5cOK-0001MC-Le - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:57:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5cOK-0001M9-GY - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:57:08 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5cPn-0002K5-Id - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:58:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Jul 2006 05:57:06 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-226.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.226] - by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 26 Jul 2006 07:57:06 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:57:06 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44C50016.9010805@hemmecke.de> - - <44C5E236.2020505@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] exports and constants Hello, @@ -11671,44 +7848,11 @@ If you refer to the AUG, (A add) should have CatA. You are right. However, I hope it will never be implemented that way. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5eLm-0000TU-SS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:02:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5eLk-0000QT-8t - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:02:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5eLh-0000Nw-3b - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:02:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5eLg-0000N4-CQ - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:02:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1G5eNA-0005Qj-Sd - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:04:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5eLe-0003Pa-2I - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:02:30 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6Q82EvH006976 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:02:15 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:04:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: exports and constants On 07/26/2006 07:53 AM, Christian Aistleitner wrote: @@ -11753,56 +7897,22 @@ Aldor compiler would support AldorUnit and several other tools (relying on reflections) that people come up with in the future, then reflections are not so important in my eyes. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5elL-0004tH-Et - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:29:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5elJ-0004ss-Ik - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:29:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5elG-0004sY-M1 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:29:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5elG-0004sT-FH - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:28:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1G5eml-00060F-AW - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:30:31 -0400 -Received: from [134.93.178.132] (helo=mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5elE-0004Xu-9v - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:28:56 -0400 -Received: from exfront02.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.56]) - by mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2006 10:28:54 +0200 -Received: from EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE ([134.93.177.33]) by - exfront02.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:28:53 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:28:52 +0200 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcawUycrpm4eu4CsTHaFqcTilVhilAABaEhQAAxwOrA= -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: Bill Page, - "C Y" Cliff Yapp - FILETIME=[87A1C100:01C6B08D] -Cc: list +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page, Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom The SPAD parser is actually able to translate boot to lisp. So you do not need the bootsys image. You can build the depsys image immediately (as Bill noted you need a few pretranslated -files from the interpreter directory). =20 +files from the interpreter directory). The quoted function stuff refers to the usage of for example -map('car, ....) in the sources (lisp and boot). I had to =20 +map('car, ....) in the sources (lisp and boot). I had to change it to map(function car, .. ) in boot and map(#'car .. ) in lisp. Not a big deal but distributed all over the sources. -This change should be made for gcl as well.=20 +This change should be made for gcl as well. Regards @@ -11811,26 +7921,26 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Page, Bill > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:36 AM > To: C Y > Cc: list > Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom ->=20 +> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:31 PM C Y wrote: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > The axiom_cmu.tgz archive does not contain the boot directory. ->=20 +> > I have to admit that I had not previously looked deeply at the > axiom_cmu build but it seems to me that it is based on a different > version of boot then the one built by the standard distribution > of Axiom (i.e. Tim's). Although I do see '#+:tpd' in the util.lisp > file... ->=20 +> > Apparently in axiom_cmu boot is compiled as part of the > /interp/Makefile. See especially the clisp "bootstrap boot files" > in the inter/lisp subdirectory. These are similar to but different @@ -11839,44 +7949,44 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > you look for 'BOOTTOCL' for example you will see that it is > implemented in ptyout.boot.pamphlet in the standard distribution > but in interp/util.lisp in the axiom_cmu version. ->=20 +> > I do believe that there was an "old" and a "new" boot compiler > so it could be that axiom_cmu is using an older version. ->=20 +> > I suppose that only Tim Daly and/or Juergen Weiss will be able > to sort all this out for us... :( ->=20 +> > > Also, when trying to load src-pkg.lisp, there appear to be > > exports which are in conflict with definitions made in the boot > > files - I'm not completely sure about that but some of the > > errors make me wonder. -> >=20 +> > > > > No the boot directory is not redundant. -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Yes you need to compile boot first before you can compile > > > anything from interp. -> >=20 +> > > > There is however a second option - take the intermediate lisp files > > produced in the current "normal" build, and build those directly > > without first generating them from the boot files. I was reluctant > > to do that until Axiom formally makes the switch, but the boot > > translator appears to do a few non-ANSI things and it will take > > some digging to change that. ->=20 +> > I think there are some changes in the axiom_cmu source specifically > for this. In ->=20 +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-11/m sg00373.ht > ml ->=20 +> > Juergen Weiss wrote: ->=20 +> > > ... there is the quoted function stuff and some minor > > changes (a few macros and one or two places in the algebra > > code) for string-char, both of which I already have taken care > > of in my cmucl port 2 years ago. ->=20 +> > So I guess you should look specifically for the ':cmu' specific > code in vmlisp.lisp (i.e. macros). A diff between int/interp/ > vmlisp.lisp file from the standard distribution and this file @@ -11884,9 +7994,9 @@ sg00373.ht > to :cmu). There are other changes but in some cases it is rather > hard to tell if these are applicable or regressions due to a > differences in the base version of vmlisp.lisp. ->=20 +> > Maybe ->=20 +> > +#+:cmu > +(defmacro define-function (f v) > + `(eval-when (eval load compile) @@ -11895,120 +8005,83 @@ sg00373.ht > + (define-compiler-macro ,(cadr f) (&rest args) > + `(,',(cadr v) ,@args)) > + )) ->=20 +> > is the "quoted function stuff" referred to by Weiss? ->=20 +> > Anyway, such is the difficulty that is cut out for you in this > task... :) I hope you can attract the help of others more > knowledgeable. ->=20 +> > > I can load the boot-strap lisp files in boot (after some > > tweaking) but I have not as yet attempted to repeat the cycle > > by loading the clisp files produced from that process. For > > that cycle to work automatically, changes at the boot->lisp > > level are necessary. ->=20 +> > Could you give some examples of the "tweaking"? ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > > No the interp directory code does not contain all of the > > > functionality of boot (nor any of the functionality of boot > > > for that matter). -> >=20 +> > > > Hmm. OK :-). -> >=20 +> > > > > No what you have been doing so far is not a waste of time. > > > However, I think you should be using the make process as > > > defined in the current Axiom makefiles first before trying > > > to change things in a radical manner. -> >=20 +> > > > Since I'm not familiar with make as a tool, I'm trying to keep > > everything as much as possible in lisp. ->=20 +> > Good luck! make is fundamental to almost all open source (with > some lisp code and some python code as the only exceptions that > I know about). I really recommend taking a look at the gnu make > documentation. ->=20 +> > > Theoretically the build order is the key point, at least once > > I figure out the technical reason for using multiple images. > > Also, once the changes needed to run in sbcl are made, those > > pamphlet files should just plug right into the make process. ->=20 +> > Could you explain a little more about how you see this working? > It seems to me that more than build order is important. ->=20 +> > > During development though, I find asdf a bit more convenient > > for lisp loading - I can easily load, for example, the boot > > subsystem defined in the boot dir without the rest of the > > compile proceeding, then incrementally attempt loading each -> > file from the next step.=20 ->=20 +> > file from the next step. +> > I suppose it is possible to integrate asdf into parts of the > current build process. You will end up using both make and > asdf. ->=20 +> > > (Currently I'm a bit stalled on interp/sys-pkg.lisp - VMLISP > > and BOOT exports appear to be causing a bit of confusion, > > although it may be I haven't sorted out what's really going > > on yet.) ->=20 +> > Are you trying to build interp starting with the boot image? > I think that is not the way the current build works. Even the > axiom_cmu Makefile builds two separate images (depsys and > interpsys). ->=20 +> > > I'm using both the Makefiles and debugsys.lisp for file orders, > > so they're definitely playing a role, and the files themselves > > should just plug back into their old spots, once they're working. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > We are here to try to help ... :) ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5gwW-00073r-P6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:48:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5gwU-00070q-Ez - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:48:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5gwS-0006z8-SY - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:48:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5gwS-0006yw-JS - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:48:40 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.191] (helo=web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5gxy-0005Ju-GS - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:50:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail 51084 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 10:48:39 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=gDZcsH7e7YLdjJpLMIrT7vRHhjFtlB0U0hti0UhcSDkZCNKvLNU8Ti4/NrJWrZMQHGQ1BquWmcL0UUydKGyTpZJSzKbNpD6hMFy440Gvrsaf8Dt1zA/zdpKlKtT/kShXxaClQd0vs7Yu6AyhFxN6NXVnoiDx5IVtvyqaA/XzCRo= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:48:39 PDT + +\start Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom To: Tim Daly -Cc: list - - ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > CY, > @@ -12264,44 +8337,11 @@ Aldor compiler is written in C? (arrgh.) Sounds good! If there is anything I can do which will help you with this Tim, please don't hesitate to ask. -Cheers, -Cliff - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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A 'refection' domain could have functions to access all of the information available. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5kRI-0005U7-2a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:32:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5kRF-0005P7-Vj - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:32:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5kRE-0005ME-Bk - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:32:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5kRE-0005M0-6F - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:32:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5kSm-0002hU-CP - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:34:16 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6QEWQvH013935 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:32:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:34:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - <44C72204.6070006@hemmecke.de> - <200607261356.k6QDuQu09900@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On 07/26/2006 03:56 PM, root wrote: > Ralf, Gaby, @@ -12718,45 +8658,14 @@ to write nice programming support tools. For ordinary users I cannot see an advantage of reflections. Does anybody else have reasonable use-cases? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5kg3-0000LL-IZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5kg0-0000Jx-V5 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5kg0-0000Jd-75 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5kg0-0000JU-4Q - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5khY-0004vl-Bo - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E9F476A749; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0C9C66A73B; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:47:46 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcawUycrpm4eu4CsTHaFqcTilVhilAABaEhQAAxwOrAAC4SFIA== From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: +To: list +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:29 AM Juergen Weiss wrote: ->=20 +> > The SPAD parser is actually able to translate boot to lisp. > So you do not need the bootsys image. You can build the > depsys image immediately (as Bill noted you need a few @@ -12789,13 +8698,13 @@ the Debian build eliminates the first step. Using the method implemented by Juergen Weiss for axiom_cmu it is also possible to also eliminate the 2nd step. ->=20 +> > The quoted function stuff refers to the usage of for example -> map('car, ....) in the sources (lisp and boot). I had to =20 +> map('car, ....) in the sources (lisp and boot). I had to > change it to map(function car, .. ) in boot and map(#'car .. ) > in lisp. Not a big deal but distributed all over the sources. -> This change should be made for gcl as well.=20 ->=20 +> This change should be made for gcl as well. +> Time spent converting the existing Lisp code and the generated Lisp code to conform to the common lisp standard is obviously @@ -12853,47 +8762,12 @@ collected nor have there been initiated more than just a few Is there nothing we can do to improve this situation? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5lKr-0006sa-Dm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5lKp-0006pz-Qw - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5lKo-0006pn-3w - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5lKo-0006pk-17 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5lMM-0000Ez-QE - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:31:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEFB4F3E6; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:29:53 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6QFUJMn027445; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:30:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6QFUJXF027444; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:30:19 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - <44C72204.6070006@hemmecke.de> - <200607261356.k6QDuQu09900@localhost.localdomain> - <44C77D79.9010806@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Jul 2006 17:30:14 +0200 -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -12917,45 +8791,15 @@ enhanced. But long term should be to have something typed. so says you :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5lRB-0000Ew-1a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5lR9-0000Er-Rs - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5lR8-0000EN-N0 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5lR8-0000EJ-GA - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:38 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5lSh-0000jX-9p - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:38:15 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B70E36A525; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:37 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 59B0E68F1C; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:36:34 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Thread-Index: AcawwF59narZxlorTlOvuXJXmP0Q3gAAjVpg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:35 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I believe reflections are not too complicated once we know > how the internal datastructures for domains are. (Yes, yes, > we must look inside the compiler sources, or does anybody @@ -13011,18 +8855,18 @@ MyDom: with add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom neg: MyDom -> MyDom - =3D=3D add + == add import from Integer - Rep =3D=3D Integer + Rep == Integer - describe:Generator Category =3D=3D generate + describe:Generator Category == generate yield with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {neg:MyDom->MyDom} - add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) + rep(y)) - sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) - rep(y)) - neg(x:%):% =3D=3D per(-rep(x)) + add2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) + rep(y)) + sub2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) - rep(y)) + neg(x:%):% == per(-rep(x)) ---------- @@ -13050,39 +8894,11 @@ new domains from categories defined like this: with { s for s in describe$MyDom where MyDom2 has s } -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5li6-0000wb-Pl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5li5-0000wQ-Vy - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5li5-0000wC-0S - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5li4-0000w9-QO - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:08 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5ljd-0002QR-IN - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:55:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 85235 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 15:54:07 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=wltVwEI9fgCVWLIdAyc1FARVuRuuzGCuWult9pbmasd31fYE4nxEpoeklOIJdnRnWub28pjuAwTlkQMB24XAE7/vv675vDwHhD85At2IQcwKF4v/+OWQDLR/NokF4VZ83HBCLThHUfAMKmDelZnW+uLyQjbfvcR+Dxo7EOBdhC4= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:54:07 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom -To: Bill Page, list -Cc: --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -13257,48 +9073,11 @@ Clear directions and tasks I think are always a help in keeping a project like this moving - the circumstances currently prevent this from being the case, for the most part. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5li9-0000xe-4R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5li7-0000x3-FL - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5li7-0000we-0Q - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5li6-0000wa-Or - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:10 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5ljf-0002Qh-MT - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:55:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747EC4F3BE; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:53:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6QFsVFG027974; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:54:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6QFsVA2027973; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:54:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 26 Jul 2006 17:54:31 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2006 17:54:31 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -13320,46 +9099,11 @@ though it really is rustic -- that to demonize Boot. I don't clearly like its layout rule. Clearly. Boot with real type system will start looking like Haskell :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5m0m-00063c-RR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:13:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5m0k-000606-Hz - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:13:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5m0h-0005v6-K0 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:13:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5m0g-0005uX-RT - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5m2G-0004S0-2U - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:15:00 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QGCumR006084 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:13:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3023 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 16:12:58 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 26 Jul 2006 16:12:58 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6QG5b609970; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:05:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:05:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:48:39 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - J_CHICKENPOX_31 -Cc: list - -CY, There are many volumes planned for axiom so there are many places to play. @@ -13544,97 +9288,35 @@ speedups based on the number of processors. And that's just the short list off the top of my head. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5mBX-0000CN-Cm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:24:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5mBU-0000Bl-UM - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:24:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5mBS-0000Ah-SW - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:24:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5mBS-0000Ae-NT - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:24:30 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5mD2-0005PG-5M - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:26:08 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QGO54H010070 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:24:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19644 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 16:24:06 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 26 Jul 2006 16:24:06 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6QGGjo09992; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:16:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:16:45 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Can anyone consider writing up a good tutorial-style summary of this thread? Can you diagram the relationships? I think that the points made here would be very valuable when presented in an incremental, logical, tutorial fashion. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5mYR-0001R4-Q0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5mYQ-0001Qz-Ax - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5mYM-0001Ql-UP - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5mYM-0001QZ-Lk - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:10 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5mZw-0007Y0-8S - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:49:48 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 05004698EC; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BFA136A7B7; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:48:02 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: Acawy78VHtaHJcSjQZuRN1DwIcoylgABfdWg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom -On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:54 AM C Y wrote:=20 +On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:54 AM C Y wrote: > --- Bill Page wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > > Time spent converting the existing Lisp code and the generated > > Lisp code to conform to the common lisp standard is obviously > > time well spent, as are efforts to port Axiom to other lisp > > platforms besides GCL. But seems really unfortunate to me that > > we are still in the situation where we have only one active > > Axiom developer working in Lisp (Tim Daly). ->=20 +> > Agreed. But moving the generated Lisp code to ANSI is only of > use if one never plans to generate the code again. @@ -13656,16 +9338,16 @@ there is a complete overlap between the BOOT compiler and the SPAD compiler - all we need is the bootstrapped SPAD compiler. -> ...=20 +> ... > > Even new and innovative projects like Sage: -> >=20 +> > > > http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -> >=20 +> > > > (Thanks for the reference Fr=E9d=E9ric Lehobey.) -> >=20 +> > > > have choosen to implement an interface to Maxima first > > before seriously considering Axiom. ->=20 +> I found some emails on the Sage website where one of the authors briefly considered Axiom but decided on Maxima @@ -13680,64 +9362,32 @@ someone is thinking of extending Tim Daly's work on this sort of user interface for Axiom, I think Sage would be a great place to look first. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5nzI-0006qW-PJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:20:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5nzH-0006qJ-I5 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:20:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5nzF-0006on-Fg - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:20:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5nzF-0006ok-7m - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:20:01 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5o0p-0007wL-Po - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:21:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4A4AE69207; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3938D67F73; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:19:58 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcawUycrpm4eu4CsTHaFqcTilVhilAAjDN9Q From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list - +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom + On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:31 PM C Y wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > > > It occurrs to me that this might be a waste of time, > > > particularly if the interp directory code contains all of > > > the functionality in boot aside from translating boot code > > > to cl. I think this is the case but before I throw out my > > > current work - is the boot directory in fact entirely > > > redundant functionality wise? -> > >=20 +> > > > > Bill Page wrote: > > Gee, what could have given you that idea?? ->=20 +> > The axiom_cmu.tgz archive does not contain the boot directory. Thank you for continuing to look into this. > ... -> Bill Page wrote: =20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > No the boot directory is not redundant. -> >=20 +> > I was wrong. @@ -13747,12 +9397,12 @@ I was wrong. > I was wrong again. -=20 -> Bill Page wrote:=20 + +> Bill Page wrote: > > No the interp directory code does not contain all of the > > functionality of boot (nor any of the functionality of boot > > for that matter). ->=20 +> > Hmm. OK :-). You are so nice, but I was wrong again... @@ -13762,45 +9412,14 @@ You are so nice, but I was wrong again... > > However, I think you should be using the make process as > > defined in the current Axiom makefiles first before trying > > to change things in a radical manner. ->=20 +> Yes, I admit it. Even this was rather bad advice. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5q12-0007u8-95 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:30:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5q10-0007r9-Lh - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:29:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5q0w-0007i4-JN - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:29:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5q0w-0007hf-Bo - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:29:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G5q2Y-0004jR-0w - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:31:34 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1G5q0s-0007Is-1I - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:29:50 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1G5q0s-0000cD-0K - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:29:50 +0200 -To: list - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jul 2006 22:29:47 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Poster at Mathinfo 06 Dear all, @@ -13887,42 +9506,11 @@ Martin PS: I will certainly promote Axiom there a little. :-) - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5sSM-0000sO-SH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:06:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5sSL-0000rX-WE - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:06:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5sSK-0000q3-UU - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:06:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5sSK-0000pw-Dq - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:06:20 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.201] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5sTx-0003XL-I3 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:08:01 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i27so1166940wxd - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:06:19 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=DSksc3fHSw1tQak50AO8OJGUDJ74Ll31RGtS8T/N9zBAbMlzys9APCWBHQMaIzKSFc5cOGSyT/F56/VPSFNz0R2lkZ9+4wmcXrmsSeCgNgZhBFn4XuCEVj/Zh1PrFi1UeqshsBpdo1AxrA0D5rjJNdxS9EHjGedHAROObNUio8U= -Received: by 10.70.34.19 with SMTP id h19mr1608311wxh; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:06:19 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:06:18 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - boundary="----=_Part_23529_9750176.1153955178816" - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list - -------=_Part_23529_9750176.1153955178816 Hello, @@ -14074,84 +9662,11 @@ You need very good language support to make this practicable. Also parallel algorithm tend to be significantly more complicated. -Regards -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_23529_9750176.1153955178816 - -Hello,


One key subgoal that is completely independent is to figure out how to -
draw a line on the screen using SBCL or CLISP and the new lisp-based GUI
work. planet.lisp.org has had several discussions about this. A lisp-based
GUI for graphics would be much more portable. -

Do you mean just for plotting or a complete user interface ?

-I have a project to redo HyperDoc using javascript and XMLHttpRequest.
This uses a browser as the front end for the hyperdoc pages and uses
an axiom back end to service requests for actions. Eventually this will
-go into the Doyen Wiki. I've rewritten a couple dozen pages so far and
am working test examples.

Yes, HyperDoc show its age. Can you already generate static HTML ?
Why do you want to use XMLHttpRequest for ? -

I have a project to document the integration routines in axiom. I have
several sources of text (Trager's thesis, Bronstein's thesis, etc) as -
well as 4800 integrals that came from the Maple test suite (reported
on elsewhere in this mailing list). I've modified axiom to tell me
where each integral resolves and am classifying the various integrals
into sets of examples. That way each of the 40ish 'integrate' routines -
will have example input associated with it.

My experience with Bronstein code is that there is not much comment and it is very architectured. I have not try to read the Risch implementation. I think Martin had a look at it. -


I have a project to port axiom to the MAC. The key issue is getting GCL
-to build on the MAC. Since MACs are based on BSD the include file chain
is completely different from linux and so things resolve poorly. Plus
I find the MAC impossible to use (my ability to use a system is
inversely proportional to its "ease of use"). -

Being a Mac user I think this should be the top most priority ;)
Each of my try was stopped by GCL too. It is more than BSD issue Darwin use CMU microkernel and the way the stack is created is different from BSD or Linux. -

I am sorry you find the Mac difficult to use. Have you try Fink or DarwinPort ?
I also recomend this Emac http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html -.

I have a research effort to rewrite the algebra using provisos.
This uses the idea of generalized intervals to contain conditional -
statements that constrain the validity of computations.

Will all domain  need to be made provisos aware ?
How will the conditional description be part of the type ?

-The database design in Axiom is old. It uses random access files which
follow VM/370 LispVM design. These databases should be redone using a
better overall design.

What is this database ?
-
Axiom needs updated Groebner basis work (although the current routines
performed quite well at ISSAC 2006 when compared to singular and maple) -

I think the algebra need a good clean up. I have spend quite some time with the polynomial univariate and multivariate and you can see they have been done at the begining. I think that a lot of work form Aldor libAlgebra should be included in Axiom. -


Axiom needs Symbolic Summation (extensions of Gosper's work)
-
I am doing works in that direction.

Axiom needs to be able to do higher-order expressions like: -
   x := p^n * 3*p^m + 2
   y := q^r * 6*q^s - 3
what is the j'th term of x*y? Well, since the we don't know the
exponents (n, m, r, or s) we have to construct a function that
will return the k'th component of x, the i'th component of y and -
a final function that gives the result of x*y as a function of
the component functions. f(x(k),y(i)). Nobody does this yet to
my knowledge.

I need to check but I think work related to this as been show at last ISSAC ? -

Also I have trouble with the Expression domain I dont really understand how to use it. I will like an expression tree better.

-If X is an 2x2 matrix what is X^p? If x is NxM what is X^p?

I think there is already a distinction between sqare and not sqare matrix ?

-What is the i,j'th entry?

I dont understand this question.

-Can we construct a Maple parser that will generate Axiom internal
S-expressions? This would allow us to replace the Axiom input language
with a Maple input language. Is this useful? Is this better than B#?
-

That look complicated.
My understanding of B#  is it will be a smart interpreter that can do as much type guessing as possible. But if people want to specify type they should be free to do so.

-If we decorate the Categories with their mathematical axioms can
we prove anything about them? Can we do it automatically using ACL2?
Can we extend the compiler to do the proof while it compiles?

-Very difficult.

Can we define a "problem graph" semantic network that will sit at the -
heart of the crystal? What is the subsumption rule and is it theoretically
sound and stable?

I dont understand.

-Axiom should be attached to a Computer Aided Design program to
model the stresses and strains and theoretical failure points.

FEM analysis is traditionally more on the numeric computation side. But people are working on mix symbolic numeric method( -http://www.sfb013.uni-linz.ac.at/ )

-Axiom does not use threads or multiple processors but this is
clearly the future direction of hardware. We need to find algorithms
that can be done in parallel and work up an example that gives linear
speedups based on the number of processors. -

You need very good language support to make this practicable.
Also parallel algorithm tend to be significantly more complicated.


Regards
Antoine Hersen

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I have just a comment about the front page.

In the right column all links start with "Axiom". Is there is a reason for this ?

I know it is mostly about personal taste but I find it redundant and does not help me find what I am looking for. -

Regards,

Antoine Hersen

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Unfortunately they would be static. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5syZ-0003Gu-OA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:39:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5syY-0003Go-3B - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:39:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5syW-0003Fx-OT - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:39:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5syW-0003Fo-KJ - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:39:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5t0A-0006LP-6e - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:41:18 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QNdUvM013672 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:39:30 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25553 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2006 23:39:30 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 26 Jul 2006 23:39:30 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6QNW1Q10155; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:32:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:32:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > I have a project to port axiom to the MAC. The key issue is getting GCL > > to build on the MAC. Since MACs are based on BSD the include file chain @@ -14351,49 +9758,10 @@ I'm using Fink. That isn't the problem. The problem is the same one I'm having with the FreeBSD port. The C include files have a completely different tree than the Linux files. -t - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tRE-0003yd-G6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tRC-0003yL-Ql - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tRC-0003xz-CQ - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5tRC-0003xw-1L - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:14 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5tSq-0000Ms-05 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:10:56 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R0979g031084 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:08 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31900 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 00:09:07 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Jul 2006 00:09:07 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6R01do10170; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:01:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:01:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list Subject: Provisos > I have a research effort to rewrite the algebra using provisos. @@ -14473,50 +9841,11 @@ so it can decorate the resulting code properly. This is how I waste my weekends :-) -t - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tUu-0005xX-8T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tUs-0005vA-2v - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tUr-0005uf-7a - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5tUq-0005uX-Vy - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:01 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5tWU-0000dg-JX - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:14:43 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R0Cplq027421 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:12:53 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30938 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 00:12:44 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Jul 2006 00:12:44 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6R05Fj10174; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:05:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:05:15 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > The database design in Axiom is old. It uses random access files which > > follow VM/370 LispVM design. These databases should be redone using a @@ -14540,42 +9869,11 @@ I was a lad but it would make more sense to keep these in memory as they are relatively small. Such a change would probably speed up the system quite a bit. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tVm-0006vN-PU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tVl-0006sW-0m - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tVi-0006pQ-2a - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5tVh-0006pF-Ta - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5tXM-0000gV-1U - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:15:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EABA8690E7; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:50 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1882268F9E; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:50 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:49 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: AcaxCit8r4Mlu8aLQTmZ1CRDQ5sW2AABucaQ From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Antoine, @@ -14592,59 +9890,29 @@ On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:21 PM you wrote: > Is there is a reason for this ? > > I know it is mostly about personal taste but I find it -> redundant and does not help me find what I am looking for.=20 -=09 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5teE-0003R2-UN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5teC-0003QR-0c - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5teA-0003QF-JQ - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5teA-0003QC-F7 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5tfo-0001BC-Gj - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:24:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D3A8C69692; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:37 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0EA10695B7; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom +> redundant and does not help me find what I am looking for. + +\start Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:22:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcaxClV/bXf7+gL3TVmUodslZj0KeAAB4r9A From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Tim, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:14 PM you wrote: ->=20 -> > I have a project to redo HyperDoc using javascript and=20 +> +> > I have a project to redo HyperDoc using javascript and > > XMLHttpRequest. This uses a browser as the front end for > > the hyperdoc pages and uses an axiom back end to service > > requests for actions. Eventually this will go into the > > Doyen Wiki. I've rewritten a couple dozen pages so far and > > am working test examples. -> >=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > Yes, HyperDoc show its age. Can you already generate static > > HTML ? Why do you want to use XMLHttpRequest for ? ->=20 +> > I'm looking at the issue of re-doing the work in javascript > and HTML, basically the AJAX model. AJAX is just javascript > behind HTML that can make an asynchronous call using XMLHttpRequest. @@ -14655,11 +9923,11 @@ On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:14 PM you wrote: > work we can get Axiom running completely in a web page. This > gives us the ability to generate output immediately, effectively > making the browser a complete front-end that is system independent. ->=20 +> > The Axiom graphics can generate postscript images immediately so > it would be possible to embed the graphics results directly into > the web page. Unfortunately they would be static. ->=20 +> Please take a look at the Sage Notebook Interface. @@ -14674,44 +9942,11 @@ notebook.notebook.html I am quite sure we could interest some Sage users in an interface to Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5ti3-0005pA-Kt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:26:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5ti1-0005p1-U2 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:26:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5ti0-0005nI-Bm - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:26:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5ti0-0005mt-56 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:26:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5tje-0001WI-8B - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:28:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9BB40F05; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:26:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6R0QuY8003893; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:26:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6R0Qt2S003892; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:26:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Jul 2006 02:26:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jul 2006 02:26:55 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer - Bill, @@ -14724,45 +9959,11 @@ but it asked for a zope identifier and password, which I don't have. I do have a account with the "portal" though -- I don't know how they realte. All these identifiers and passwords... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tta-0002QV-Tj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:38:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5tta-0002Pg-9o - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:38:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5ttY-0002OB-QE - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:38:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5ttY-0002O1-N0 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:38:32 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.203] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5tvC-0002Jp-TC - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:40:15 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s19so1170604wxc - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:38:31 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=m7h7yQrM5elY/7UhKglM8Y5FDUwHrQw5/86vF/hbYMYx2j9vFCcmMJqhXOpAwXYtJWnRz4JTFtx8z/7i/6/D0Ljiy2y4sgyUzaXjpWGSIZMQYv7k2k1k0jU2u3x1OQv2NnDjYs71GIbrIT2cTsTJoiKdvkn/F96LD2CFso4tYMk= -Received: by 10.70.126.19 with SMTP id y19mr30108wxc; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:38:31 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:38:31 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - boundary="----=_Part_24353_21749884.1153960711655" - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607270005.k6R05Fj10174@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list - -------=_Part_24353_21749884.1153960711655 > > The database design in Axiom is old. It uses random access files which > > > follow VM/370 LispVM design. These databases should be redone using a @@ -14796,61 +9997,20 @@ It's very efficient in terms of disk I/O which was a concern way back when Yes the trade of between doing disk I/O and using memory space are reversed. -------=_Part_24353_21749884.1153960711655 - -
> The database design in Axiom is old. It uses random access files which -
> > follow VM/370 LispVM design. These databases should be redone using a
> > better overall design.
>
>
> What is this database ?

There are several databases, you can see them loaded when the system -
starts. These include information that the interpreter uses to run
the system.

What kind of information ?

-They are random access files (a concept that seems to have been lost
from computer science :-) ). The first number in the file is the
number of bytes into the file to find the index, which is an association
list of (item . index). You can look up an item in the association list -
and then the returned number is the byte index into the file for the value.

We still learn that dont worry.

-It's very efficient in terms of disk I/O which was a concern way back when
I was a lad but it would make more sense to keep these in memory as they
are relatively small. Such a change would probably speed up the system -
quite a bit.

Yes the trade of between doing disk I/O and using memory space are reversed.


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I will try that when I next get a chance. ->=20 +> > I do have a account with the "portal" though -- I don't -> know how they realte. All these identifiers and passwords...=20 ->=20 +> know how they realte. All these identifiers and passwords... +> Yes, it is a real pain... mostly forced on us by those malicious freeloaders who insist on defacing our precious @@ -14912,41 +10072,11 @@ Before getting access to the Axiom portal, users must register but this is an easy process that basically just confirms the validity of the users email address. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uD6-0001Jy-B6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:58:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uD4-0001Ji-Nt - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:58:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uD2-0001Iw-QO - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:58:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5uD2-0001Iq-JD - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:58:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5uEg-0003YX-Qn - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:00:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221834F3C9; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:58:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6R0wxAs004191; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:59:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6R0wxpL004190; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:58:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Jul 2006 02:58:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jul 2006 02:58:59 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Bill Page writes: @@ -14981,45 +10111,11 @@ I must confess I'm buried :-( Many thanks; I'll give it a try. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5ufA-0001by-QO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:27:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uf8-0001Zx-Tp - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:27:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uf6-0001XK-D3 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:27:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5uf6-0001X7-AO - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5ugk-0005bn-Hy - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:29:23 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R1RPVX008320 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:27:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28486 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 01:27:26 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Jul 2006 01:27:26 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6R1JvM10220; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:19:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:19:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > Axiom needs to be able to do higher-order expressions like: > > x := p^n * 3*p^m + 2 @@ -15055,42 +10151,11 @@ list elements: kinds of a data structure. Then you could compute any given element dynamically. It seems like an easier approach. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uuT-0006hB-Pb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:43:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uuR-0006cc-Db - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:43:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5uuP-0006Yq-6G - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:43:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5uuP-0006Yk-3T - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:43:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5uw3-0006lS-Vu - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:45:12 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6535A4F3AA; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:43:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6R1hmwp004738; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:43:51 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6R1hmTl004737; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:43:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Jul 2006 03:43:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jul 2006 03:43:48 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Bill Page writes: @@ -15103,45 +10168,11 @@ Bill Page writes: I just tried, it did not work :-( --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vH8-0007cN-BZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:06:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vH7-0007bj-3F - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:06:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vH5-0007aY-D1 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:06:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5vH4-0007aR-Tc - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:06:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5vIj-0008I0-Pn - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:08:37 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R26jGg004121 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:06:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14459 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 02:06:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Jul 2006 02:06:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6R1xH110236; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:59:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:59:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > Can we construct a Maple parser that will generate Axiom internal > > S-expressions? This would allow us to replace the Axiom input language @@ -15159,45 +10190,11 @@ the Maple language. That would give us a large test suite of programs and examples. It also might be fairly enlightening about the issues, both for us and for Maple. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vPx-0003oA-Ib - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:16:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vPu-0003nv-Tv - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:16:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vPs-0003nj-KP - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:16:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5vPs-0003ng-Gn - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:16:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5vRX-0000mC-PL - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:17:43 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R2FtYg010869 - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:15:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14088 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 02:15:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Jul 2006 02:15:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6R28RG10246; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:08:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:08:27 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > If we decorate the Categories with their mathematical axioms can > > we prove anything about them? Can we do it automatically using ACL2? @@ -15233,58 +10230,27 @@ based "on the integers" often don't take this into account. Yeah, it's difficult but that's what makes it fun. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vV6-0006lz-6r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vV4-0006li-BE - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5vV2-0006l8-M0 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5vV2-0006kj-GO - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5vWh-00012m-Nm - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:23:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E410169025; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 01FEB69080; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:16 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:21:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: AcaxHhTkPdobVEovQ7WivOBdjSPOdQAAm0Gw From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:44 PM you wrote: > Bill Pagewrites: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | To make your changes to the SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers > | just make sure that you enter some simple explanatory text > | in the reason box before you click Save. Let me know if > | you still have problems. ->=20 +> > I just tried, it did not work :-( ->=20 +> You got the following message: @@ -15324,7 +10290,7 @@ links that looks like this: which is translated by the ZWiki web page rendering as exactly - some text + some text No robot seems to have figured out how to do this translation automatically yet probably because of the number of wiki sites @@ -15349,43 +10315,14 @@ web server stuff, while what I really want is to devote more time to mathematics and physics, rather than continue fix this kind of stuff on my own now... :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5wJh-0008R2-SI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:13:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5wJg-0008Qw-Md - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:13:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5wJg-0008Qc-AB - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:13:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5wJg-0008QZ-4I - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:13:40 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.184] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5wLL-0004m2-UJ - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:15:24 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so22540nfc - for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=bqsmunN4gyQEWL4Td+7Sr4MS2M3uS+kaE78crxB5KVXIDCp1jifz5g7proiAw4qLL5wkVzsPlKc3G3b1edRfnhOyxPUHiS8FBCeJzW/hLp7PbVw2/HHa+5g2pfgaXCV2Xd+54L5LKSJMcOqGfuG8efJErwlZl/vKjtUsCHveIDo= -Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr3580477huc; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:38 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.11 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:13:37 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - -Cc: list -This is the sage notebook test web page (similar to sandbox in axiom-developer): +This is the sage notebook test web page (similar to sandbox in +axiom-developer): http://sage.math.washington.edu:8100/ @@ -15435,56 +10372,14 @@ On 7/26/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: > > I am quite sure we could interest some Sage users in an > interface to Axiom. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5wKt-0000Gp-P5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5wKs-0000G7-H4 - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5wKq-0000Fc-WE - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5wKq-0000FZ-Om - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:52 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5wMW-0004ry-Ih - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:16:36 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A2C4F3C1; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:14:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6R3FC99005636; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:15:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6R3FC7D005635; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:15:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f + +\start +Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:15:12 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607270159.k6R1xH110236@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:15:12 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Can we construct a Maple parser that will generate Axiom internal | > > S-expressions? This would allow us to replace the Axiom input language @@ -15507,42 +10402,11 @@ year. With hindsight, we must be very careful. I thought that B-natural was considerd to be the typeless language of choice for Axiom? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5waQ-000896-AR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:30:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5waO-00088q-7o - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:30:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5waL-00088S-0S - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:30:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5waK-000885-RE - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:30:52 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5wc0-0005sf-Nk - for list; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:32:36 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32674105E; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:30:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6R3VCF0005754; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:31:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6R3VCRC005753; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:31:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:31:12 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jul 2006 05:31:12 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Bill Page writes: @@ -15565,48 +10429,17 @@ I just tried to adjust my options for the list axiom-testresults@lists.sf.net, but met with a fierce resistance. So, enough for today. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5xEB-0005hu-Al - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:12:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5xE9-0005hW-Hb - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:12:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5xE7-0005hD-TI - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:12:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5xE7-0005hA-Q1 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5xFo-0000kp-4v - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:13:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EAF2A69584; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2AFBC67C55; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:58 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcaxKugmiVg3VpNkTB2+KGR8/bgZHgAA5y/g From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 11:15 PM Gaby wrote: > ... > Tim Daly wrote: -> |=20 +> | > | Well, as long as we're talking about changing the input > | language so that it is type-free, one thing to consider > | would be to mimic the Maple language. That would give us @@ -15624,7 +10457,7 @@ the MapleSoft developers a few years ago lead directly to my current interest (dare I say fascination) in Axiom and Aldor. ->=20 +> > I consider Maple language to be cripled, grown barnacle > over the year. With hindsight, we must be very careful. @@ -15677,54 +10510,22 @@ system. Form my point of view, as a candidate for a new user input language for Axiom, B-natural remains the most "natural" choice. :) -Regards, -bill Page. - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5yGV-0000dX-DK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5yGT-0000ci-4s - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5yGS-0000cM-9Q - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5yGS-0000cJ-6L - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:28 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5yI9-0005EK-1p - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:20:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2753868DD0; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D37ED69149; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:18:24 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sbcl and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcaxKHGen0YifL1KSUmwPiyRnEJDRQADbeHg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +Subject: RE: sbcl and Axiom -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:58 PM you wrote: ->=20 -> This is the sage notebook test web page (similar to sandbox=20 +> +> This is the sage notebook test web page (similar to sandbox > in axiom-developer): ->=20 +> > http://sage.math.washington.edu:8100/ ->=20 -> Here you can test sage and the computer algebra systems it=20 +> +> Here you can test sage and the computer algebra systems it > uses (Maxima...). Yes. Not bad, is it? :-) @@ -15766,7 +10567,7 @@ users of Sage fairly quickly learn to avoid such problems if they really do find it convenient to use more than one package to solve a particular problem. ->=20 +> > It uses its own web server, which seems to be a Python > client/server socket program (I think is part of Python > libraries). Yes you are right. @@ -15781,7 +10582,7 @@ But it is not clear exactly what role it plays. I guess finding this out will have to wait until I get a chance to actually install this thing and look at how it runs inside. ->=20 +> > I wonder if the notebook engine can be used inside Zope/Wiki > server. @@ -15789,7 +10590,7 @@ Yes, I think this should be possible. > I do not know how this can be useful for the work being done > by Tim for the Axiom browser front-end. ->=20 +> I don't know exactly, but I am sure if Tim willing and able to find the time to learn Python, then there is a lot of code @@ -15825,38 +10626,11 @@ software to the Axiom interp/bootsys level. Maybe some of this work would still be applicable to Tim's new user interface project. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5z1H-0006OP-Dd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:06:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5z1F-0006NP-Ng - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:06:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G5z1D-0006LL-SB - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:06:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G5z1D-0006LE-PO - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:06:47 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G5z2u-0008Bz-K0 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:08:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jul 2006 06:06:42 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-110.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.110] - by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 08:06:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:06:35 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <44C72204.6070006@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, 'aldor-l' +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -15887,37 +10661,11 @@ There are lots of further examples :) I agree that everything giving more reflection to Aldor is a step in the right direction. But I'd prefer to go for the full monty. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G60Bs-0000FG-P3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:21:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G60Bq-0000Ev-ML - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:21:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G60Bl-0000EK-TI - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:21:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G60Bl-0000EH-P9 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:21:45 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G60DI-0006LX-0X - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:23:23 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jul 2006 07:20:55 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-110.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.110] - by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 09:20:55 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:20:52 +0200 -To: Bill Page, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org Hello, @@ -16019,41 +10767,11 @@ or Arr. But it is not. It does not look like it cannot be done, but the cost/benefit ratio is bad. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G61Db-00080Y-9h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:27:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G61DZ-000808-6F - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:27:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G61DX-0007zw-8i - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G61DX-0007zt-16 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:27:39 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G61FF-0003jj-K9 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:29:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6R8RXvH006043 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:27:33 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:29:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: RNG vs. RING was: Re: sbcl and Axiom - <200607270208.k6R28RG10246@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > Also of interest is that computational math is not quite the same > as math. Axiom has some categories, such as RNG, which don't seem @@ -16096,39 +10814,11 @@ macro Rng == AbcRng; as standard and if a user is not happy with this naming scheme, s/he can simple modify the macro and all is fine. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G63DC-0002HK-Cb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:35:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G63DA-0002HE-Ff - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:35:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G63D8-0002Fb-OU - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:35:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G63D8-0002FU-Ig - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:35:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G63Es-0006HP-DJ - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:37:10 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RAZHvH008300 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:35:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:37:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: sbcl and Axiom - -Cc: list > Axiom does not use threads or multiple processors but this is > clearly the future direction of hardware. We need to find algorithms @@ -16150,39 +10840,11 @@ and ParAldor http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~bj/paraldor/WWW/ -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G63Ix-0005Kq-1i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:41:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G63Iv-0005Kg-JW - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:41:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G63Iv-0005KQ-3y - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:41:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G63Iu-0005KM-Qx - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:41:20 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G63Ke-00077K-Pk - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:43:09 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RAfIvH008435 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:41:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:43:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Poster at Mathinfo 06 - <9qhd1485z8.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > A polynomial really is a polynomial. @@ -16191,43 +10853,11 @@ If polynomials where just polynomials why then was there some clever guy who thought about implementing recursive and distributed multivariate polynomials? When it comes to efficiency, the datastructure matters. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G64yx-0006i1-Ea - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:28:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G64yv-0006gD-HG - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:28:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G64yu-0006fR-LW - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:28:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G64yu-0006fG-FY - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:28:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G650f-0000Zs-Ki - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:30:37 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RCSQ71011222 - for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:28:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail 988 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 12:28:27 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 27 Jul 2006 12:28:27 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6RCL3b10779; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:21:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:21:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: tmgisi@gmx.at +From: Tim Daly +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - -Cc: aldor-l@aldor.org, list > I agree, .asy or Foam is better than C or LISP, for what you are > considering. But Ralf considered looking into the compiler sources. The @@ -16244,40 +10874,12 @@ extract any known piece of information on request (e.g. fetchSignatures). Thus creating a complete reflection API only involves knowing the structure of the data in the output file. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G65b8-0004ux-Hp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:08:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G65b7-0004ur-PL - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:08:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G65b6-0004uZ-4O - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:08:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G65b5-0004uW-UW - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:08:15 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G65cr-0004Un-9E - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:10:05 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RD82vH010806 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:08:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:10:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - <200607271221.k6RCL3b10779@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > I might mention that the lisp output would be significantly easier > to parse and maintain. @@ -16311,46 +10913,12 @@ list(=, ~=); How do you think that program would be compiled if there is some lisp stuff involved? Note that this is a standalone program. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66Nr-00006f-0E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:58:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66Np-0008WN-Ju - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:58:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66Nn-0008VB-Sd - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:58:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G66Nn-0008V8-PI - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:58:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G66PZ-0001SZ-2l - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:00:25 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RDwDMl028513 - for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:58:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31023 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 13:58:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Jul 2006 13:58:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6RDopf10829; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:50:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:50:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:10:13 +0200) -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - <200607271221.k6RCL3b10779@localhost.localdomain> - <44C8BB35.6020104@hemmecke.de> -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf, @@ -16377,60 +10945,30 @@ The difference between reading C and reading Lisp is enormous. Reading C involves a grammar/parser; reading Lisp is an introductory computer science homework exercise. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66UH-0002di-Ov - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66UG-0002da-4T - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66UE-0002dO-IQ - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G66UE-0002dL-Dy - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:14 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G66W0-00028q-B3 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:07:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A424F6A41E; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:13 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6B6C36A2B0; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:05:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Thread-Index: AcaxfckkZDAqr2bzQ72w4urN+osYLAABij0g From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:10 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> Tim Daly wrote:=20 +> Tim Daly wrote: > > I might mention that the lisp output would be significantly > > easier to parse and maintain. ->=20 +> > Are you saying that aldor should not be translated to C or > Fortran or whatever other target there will be in the future? ->=20 +> > I have no access to the LISP output at runtime of my program. ->=20 +> I think Tim is fixated on Lisp. I do not see any relevance of Lisp to the subject of reflection in Aldor. > > Language manipulation and transformation is the easiest > > thing to do in lisp (due to the fact that data and -> > program have the same syntax). Lisp's READ function is=20 +> > program have the same syntax). Lisp's READ function is > > straightforward. You could cover the reader with a complete > > Aldor package that could extract any known piece of > > information on request (e.g. fetchSignatures). Thus @@ -16440,20 +10978,20 @@ of Lisp to the subject of reflection in Aldor. One would not need to resort to such low-level tactics if reflection was designed into Adlor at the proper level. ->=20 -> So what does that mean? If I want to use reflection for=20 +> +> So what does that mean? If I want to use reflection for > domains defined in libaldor. I would expect that ->=20 +> > #include "aldor" > #include "aldorio" > import from Reflection; -> l: List String :=3D exports(PrimitiveType); +> l: List String := exports(PrimitiveType); > stdout << l << newline; ->=20 +> > just prints something like ->=20 -> list(=3D, ~=3D); ->=20 +> +> list(=, ~=); +> This example is a good one but I object to the use of String as a representation for the output of Reflection @@ -16471,18 +11009,18 @@ MyDom: with add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom neg: MyDom -> MyDom - =3D=3D add + == add import from Integer - Rep =3D=3D Integer + Rep == Integer - exports:Generator Category =3D=3D generate + exports:Generator Category == generate yield with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {neg:MyDom->MyDom} - add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) + rep(y)) - sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) - rep(y)) - neg(x:%):% =3D=3D per(-rep(x)) + add2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) + rep(y)) + sub2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) - rep(y)) + neg(x:%):% == per(-rep(x)) ---------- @@ -16496,58 +11034,27 @@ Use like this: > How do you think that program would be compiled if there > is some lisp stuff involved? Note that this is a standalone > program. ->=20 +> Lisp is irrelevant to this. For that matter as Christian Aistleitner pointed out in a recent email, so are the actual internal details of Aldor such as FOAM, the contents of the .asy and .ao files. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66kk-0000rQ-Kr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66ki-0000qO-Iu - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66kh-0000pm-VW - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G66kh-0000pj-Q0 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G66mU-0003yE-0Z - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:24:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 351E4696E8; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 69A386A115; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:22:08 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Thread-Index: AcaxhMWf/pLPCxQzSQKuDpZ7jUz6dwAAf8Eg From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:51 AM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > Reflection involves inspecting the internal details of a > program. A reflection domain would be able to look into other > domains for details. A reflection domain would export a set > of methods like fetchSignatures. ->=20 +> > So how would REFLECT get this information? ... Well obviously the compiler has this information when it @@ -16566,11 +11073,11 @@ MyDom: with add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom neg: MyDom -> MyDom - =3D=3D add + == add import from Integer - Rep =3D=3D Integer + Rep == Integer - exports:Generator Category =3D=3D generate + exports:Generator Category == generate yield with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {neg:MyDom->MyDom} @@ -16592,44 +11099,12 @@ Aldor compiler itself would be to use a simple source text preprocessor to modify the Aldor source code a little before compilation to insert this extra reflection information. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66lp-0001DU-Ca - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66ln-0001DP-QQ - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G66lm-0001DD-6L - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G66lm-0001DA-02 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G66nY-00044N-AH - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:25:12 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RENA46014770 - for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:23:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13130 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 14:23:12 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 27 Jul 2006 14:23:12 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6REFm310854; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:15:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:15:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > I think Tim is fixated on Lisp. I do not see any relevance > of Lisp to the subject of reflection in Aldor. @@ -16645,42 +11120,12 @@ We're talking about two different things. How will you implement your policy? I understand what you want but not how you plan to achieve it. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G670n-0006tZ-9p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:38:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G670l-0006qp-EE - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:38:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G670j-0006q6-Rl - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:38:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G670j-0006q3-Ol - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:38:49 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G672V-0005dz-RK - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:40:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6REcgvH012600 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:38:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:40:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - <200607271221.k6RCL3b10779@localhost.localdomain> - <44C8BB35.6020104@hemmecke.de> - <200607271350.k6RDopf10829@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On 07/27/2006 03:50 PM, root wrote: > Ralf, @@ -16751,38 +11196,12 @@ Then I can simply write and get the String "Character" as a result. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67iM-0002Pr-8b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:23:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67iK-0002PK-I4 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:23:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67iI-0002Ob-7D - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:23:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G67iH-0002OV-Sv - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:23:50 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G67k4-0002kx-Ln - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RFNWvH013401 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:23:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:25:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner >> #include "aldor" >> #include "aldorio" @@ -16844,76 +11263,24 @@ where exports would have type and would be implemented in a runtime support library. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67lC-0003JS-BS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:26:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67lA-0003JF-Rc - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:26:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67l9-0003Iz-51 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:26:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G67l8-0003Iw-VC - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:26:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G67mv-00030W-MV - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:28:38 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RFQZvH013456 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:26:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:28:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > with { s for s in describe$MyDom where MyDom2 has s } I would be amazed if this is working some day. Since everything in Aldor is first class, it should already work. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67vF-0006v9-AW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:37:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67vD-0006un-5s - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:37:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G67vA-0006uC-UY - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:37:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G67vA-0006u9-NM - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:37:08 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.188] (helo=web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G67wx-0003wk-Jp - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:38:59 -0400 -Received: (qmail 40682 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 15:37:07 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=KoiKfQmPYtekO22xVS2pTl23WDwUPDjuD+lxPBKTmodCAyyhYP7CUfCRo2TDTlYrmzouYExCbMsf/x/Uy2Lwm9b36MkEIp4k3YJO7jt69iMTPtl21OK9Yx4zuBAGL2n7tZ0vmdXDrhk/GG39qjukMWiTIJlDBUXRdM4C0IUSu1g= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:37:07 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at Subject: Aldor translations +Cc: Christian Aistleitner --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -16938,57 +11305,21 @@ quickly, and gradually working on optimizing our Lisp code? Am I missing something? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68gh-0001ly-8X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68gf-0001lq-Vq - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68gf-0001lU-3X - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G68ge-0001lO-SH - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G68iS-0000GJ-6l - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:28:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3387C6A3C5; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0934C6A369; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:26:09 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Thread-Index: AcaxkLLt96rF9bAxSBKbhasLJPp/kwAAV7lg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:26 AM you wrote: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > This example is a good one but I object to the use of > > String as a representation for the output of Reflection > > operators. ->=20 +> > Of course. But if you want to print out things you must be > able to convert to something that you can put onto a screen. @@ -17008,33 +11339,33 @@ on the compiler the way the rest of the Trace system works. Understood. ->=20 +> > > In Aldor we can do much better than that. A function like > > export should probably look something like this: ->=20 +> > > exports: Domain -> Generator Category -> >=20 +> > > > Yesterday I gave this example: -> >=20 +> > > > ----------- > > MyDom: with > > exports:Generator Category > > add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom > > sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom > > neg: MyDom -> MyDom -> > =3D=3D add +> > == add > > import from Integer -> > Rep =3D=3D Integer -> >=20 -> > exports:Generator Category =3D=3D generate +> > Rep == Integer +> > +> > exports:Generator Category == generate > > yield with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} > > yield with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} > > yield with {neg:MyDom->MyDom} -> >=20 -> > add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) + rep(y)) -> > sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) - rep(y)) -> > neg(x:%):% =3D=3D per(-rep(x)) ->=20 +> > +> > add2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) + rep(y)) +> > sub2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) - rep(y)) +> > neg(x:%):% == per(-rep(x)) +> > I liked your code, but in fact that does not use reflection > at all and I think it should even compile. You are not doing > anything fancy. @@ -17065,18 +11396,18 @@ MyDom: with add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom neg: MyDom -> MyDom - =3D=3D add + == add import from Integer - Rep =3D=3D Integer + Rep == Integer - exports:Generator Category =3D=3D generate + exports:Generator Category == generate yield with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} yield with {neg:MyDom->MyDom} - add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) + rep(y)) - sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) - rep(y)) - neg(x:%):% =3D=3D per(-rep(x)) + add2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) + rep(y)) + sub2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) - rep(y)) + neg(x:%):% == per(-rep(x)) -- I think this should compile but it doesn't. :( --for sig in exports$MyDom repeat @@ -17123,18 +11454,18 @@ MyDom: with add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom neg: MyDom -> MyDom - =3D=3D add + == add import from Integer - Rep =3D=3D Integer + Rep == Integer - exports:List Category =3D=3D + exports:List Category == [with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom}, with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom}, with {neg:MyDom->MyDom}] - add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) + rep(y)) - sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) - rep(y)) - neg(x:%):% =3D=3D per(-rep(x)) + add2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) + rep(y)) + sub2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) - rep(y)) + neg(x:%):% == per(-rep(x)) --This should work but doesn't --for sig in exports$MyDom repeat @@ -17161,18 +11492,18 @@ no longer supported. This is one more example of something that could probably be easily and quickly resolved if Aldor was open source. ->=20 -> BUT, in the "add" you list the exports explicitly. Note that=20 +> +> BUT, in the "add" you list the exports explicitly. Note that > it would be better if you just say ->=20 +> > for s in exports(Mydomain) repeat ... ->=20 +> > where exports would have type ->=20 +> > Type -> Generator Category ->=20 +> > and would be implemented in a runtime support library. ->=20 +> But that would require that something somewhere actually store the self-identifying information at run-time. Aldor avoids this @@ -17194,46 +11525,12 @@ over my which does not involve any explicit external function call. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68rq-00062c-Ei - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:37:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68rp-00062E-99 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:37:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68rn-00061p-Rs - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:37:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G68rn-00061m-KX - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:37:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G68tb-0001KH-0q - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:39:35 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AAD4104E; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:37:40 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6RGc0ee015150; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:38:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6RGc0jV015149; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:38:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - - <200607271221.k6RCL3b10779@localhost.localdomain> - <44C8BB35.6020104@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jul 2006 18:37:59 +0200 -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -17257,42 +11554,12 @@ I suspect part of the suggestion is to have Aldor use Lisp as an intermediate representation language. Ideally, I would prefer to see a Lisp-like language but with a more expressive type system. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68vF-0008F0-Mf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:41:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68vD-0008EA-PO - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:41:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68vC-0008DL-3U - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:41:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G68vB-0008DE-TL - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:41:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G68wz-0001nO-FK - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:43:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573B84F40A; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:41:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6RGfV2L015154; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:41:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6RGfVZF015153; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:41:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jul 2006 18:41:31 +0200 -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Bill Page writes: @@ -17315,42 +11582,12 @@ But, we should aim for an information-preserving compiler. That will be good not only for reflection, but also for debug purposes for example. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68y3-0000pM-K7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68y2-0000pB-8H - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G68y1-0000ou-Ul - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G68y1-0000oq-Lz - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G68zp-0002Ic-5i - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:46:01 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0060A4F3B8; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:43:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6RGiRpr015158; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:44:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6RGiRiM015157; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:44:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jul 2006 18:44:27 +0200 -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Bill Page writes: @@ -17365,42 +11602,12 @@ Unless, you have a way to implement this directly in the compiler. See Template Haskell (in GHC sources) for the kind of thing that is done. --- Gaby, not a Lisp fanatic - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G698d-0004xb-Nc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G698c-0004xW-RD - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G698b-0004xJ-2M - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G698a-0004xG-Sr - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G69AO-0003DX-C8 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:56:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E05D268CBB; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2FEAF68C4C; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:55:02 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Thread-Index: Acaxm+PjLDWeX1CMSfm8pkzCtLd7uwAAEKTQ From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On July 27, 2006 12:44 PM Gaby wrote: @@ -17420,55 +11627,23 @@ to be in versions of lisp before types in lisp became popular. I don't know enough about types in modern lisp to know how this would work now in compiled lisp programs. ->=20 +> > Unless, you have a way to implement this directly in > the compiler. See Template Haskell (in GHC sources) for -> the kind of thing that is done.=20 ->=20 +> the kind of thing that is done. +> It is very very easy for the compiler to generate self- identifying type constants either all the time or as a compile-time option. This can even been done in a simple pre-compilation step if necessary. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69Q3-00033S-G7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:13:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69Q2-000332-Es - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:13:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69Q0-00031e-H0 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:13:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G69Q0-00031T-5a - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:13:04 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.197] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G69Ro-0005sw-3N - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:14:56 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s19so111074wxc - for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:13:03 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=MEZgEH6DskjYrQKU9kAhL9C8RLlr5Q5I5FyWMZohQ3kaaiFPVrsR93+0YnmreJuzJJM5Zd6JfzCDPWKsV7DnOvRy0/GpdlH4/ges8lVJf2CP68ypdcZ0aSp33hH+xeA9h+B3A43qJoIX+8b648jVxmGfU4SgH06orriPw2DVOAU= -Received: by 10.70.38.15 with SMTP id l15mr1045699wxl; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:13:03 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:13:03 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Aldor translations - boundary="----=_Part_32235_15400819.1154020383322" - <20060727153707.40680.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list - -------=_Part_32235_15400819.1154020383322 +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > > > I might mention that the lisp output would be significantly easier > > > to parse and maintain. @@ -17501,102 +11676,32 @@ I do not see has a problem not to be able to mix C Aldor and Lisp Aldor. And FFI functionality should be back end independent. For example I should be able to use GMP in all cases. -------=_Part_32235_15400819.1154020383322 - -
> > I might mention that the lisp output would be significantly easier
> > to parse and maintain. -
>
> Are you saying that aldor should not be translated to C or Fortran
> or whatever other target there will be in the future?

A point which is probably orthogonal to this discussion but is
something to consider is why we would want to target Aldor towards -
something other than lisp, in the first place.

Axiom's core is currently based on Lisp, and I personally think this is
a Good Thing.  If we output Aldor to something other than Lisp, we face
the problem of communicating between the main Lisp environment and -
whatever happens to the non-Lisp code Aldor has exported.  To me, this
seems to invite a world of compatibility issues, cross-platform
problems, FFI issues, etc.  Aren't we better off using other libraries
which have been developed specifically to solve numerical problems -
quickly, and gradually working on optimizing our Lisp code?

Am I missing something?

Exporting to C is a good think, if Aldor can create library in C other program could use it easily. I am not sure if maintaining a Fortran back end is still relevant. -

I do not see has a problem not to be able to mix C Aldor and Lisp Aldor.

And FFI functionality should be back end independent. For example I should be able to use GMP in all cases.

- -------=_Part_32235_15400819.1154020383322-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69W1-0007Zp-AA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:19:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69Vz-0007ZJ-F6 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:19:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69Vx-0007YP-Oq - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:19:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G69Vx-0007YD-Gl - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:19:13 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G69Xg-0006gR-1p - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:21:05 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RHJ1Vg023380 - for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:19:05 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13956 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 17:19:01 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Cliff Yapp; 27 Jul 2006 17:19:01 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6RHBRU10983; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:11:27 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:11:27 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: Aldor translations - <20060727153707.40680.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> - -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner wow, we've really wandered off the question. i thought we were discussing the question of how to implement a reflection domain that could figure out things about domains. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69dg-0002tU-VT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69df-0002t0-80 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69dc-0002se-MU - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G69dc-0002sb-Gn - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G69fQ-0007SL-Ep - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:29:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D61AA6A574; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 674216A7A9; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:27:04 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Aldor translations Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:26:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Aldor translations -Thread-Index: AcaxkpDZbH4VCCovR0+WMbEL4dFtaAADbxOg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Aldor translations +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On July 27, 2006 11:37 AM C Y wrote: ->=20 -> Axiom's core is currently based on Lisp, and I personally=20 +> +> Axiom's core is currently based on Lisp, and I personally > think this is a Good Thing. I agree. I do not see any reason to want to replace the current run-time environment of Axiom with anything else. -Axiom's algebra library depends strongly on the=20 +Axiom's algebra library depends strongly on the S-expressions and other lisp data structures plus a large number of operations that are provided very naturally by Lisp, e.g. infinite precision Integers. @@ -17623,100 +11728,36 @@ full Lisp. But personally I do not see many advantages to attempting to do this other than the goal of overall simplicity. -> ...=20 +> ... > Am I missing something? ->=20 +> Perhaps you are assuming something that is not the case? :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69nB-0006kn-SI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:37:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69n9-0006k1-So - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:36:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69n6-0006jh-BY - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:36:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G69n6-0006je-7t - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.184] (helo=web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G69ou-00006V-82 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:38:48 -0400 -Received: (qmail 37576 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 17:36:55 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=QZQJvVbXZLXuI+K099o17GtYueUeY6Xlfphb9Zvh+JacS5PnTRkBCFWaguW5uqlManGrkwXjDmAlSELLe7G+tigYMaavTP/gxN3/ETm0o3zz6zwXmLRmENTVeVpNan/lHs693u1MUzw2awF0IKCCUCj9jd6tt80RaHkIhVPjAFM= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:36:55 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Aldor translations To: Tim Daly, Antoine Hersen -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list +Subject: Re: Aldor translations +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Sorry, my bad - I should have started a new thread. -CY - ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > wow, we've really wandered off the question. i thought we were > discussing > the question of how to implement a reflection domain that could > figure out > things about domains. --t -> - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69pl-0007p7-Jb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69pk-0007oT-HZ - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G69ph-0007n4-Sl - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G69ph-0007ms-P6 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G69rV-0000Vm-S1 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:41:30 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC604F41C; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:39:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6RHdnxp016608; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:39:52 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6RHdnVV016607; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:39:49 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 27 Jul 2006 19:39:46 +0200 -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Bill Page writes: @@ -17740,56 +11781,25 @@ very easy". Here is an overview of Template Haskell http://research.microsoft.com/~simonpj/Papers/meta-haskell/index.htm http://www.haskell.org/th/#papers --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6A3V-0005r4-VO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6A3T-0005qE-JA - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6A3S-0005pa-8u - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6A3S-0005pX-1u - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:50 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6A5G-00024R-6C - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:55:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 27B9467E52; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9550467F1E; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:53:25 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Thread-Index: Acaxo6tLcy7K7NT8QwqJt0q6Kl7CoAAAFpFQ From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, list +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:40 PM you wrote: > ... > Bill Page writes: -> =20 +> > | It is very very easy for the compiler to generate self- > | identifying type constants either all the time or as a > | compile-time option. This can even been done in a simple > | pre-compilation step if necessary. ->=20 +> > Either we have a very different view of what "Reflection" > is, or we have a very different experience in the use and > implementations of that suff :-) @@ -17798,11 +11808,11 @@ That is quite possible. Care to give a couple of simple examples we can continue to discuss? > I don't find Template Haskell implementation "very very -> very easy". Here is an overview of Template Haskell=20 -> =20 +> very easy". Here is an overview of Template Haskell +> > http://research.microsoft.com/~simonpj/Papers/meta-haskell/index.htm > http://www.haskell.org/th/#papers ->=20 +> I have read some of these papers (you've referred to them before) and I am inclined to agree. I have not actually tried @@ -17819,43 +11829,12 @@ underlying type system. Aldor is set apart from Haskell for historical reasons. Perhaps Aldor has more in common with ML? I guess also need to find some time to look at MetaOCaml. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Aj2-0007VP-2c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:36:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Aj0-0007VI-92 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:36:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Aiy-0007V6-P4 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:36:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Aiy-0007V3-IP - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:36:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Akn-0006VZ-6Q - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:38:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EFA4F3E1; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:36:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6RIb1jq017478; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:37:04 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6RIb1oP017477; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:37:01 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jul 2006 20:37:01 +0200 -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Bill Page writes: @@ -17919,38 +11898,12 @@ deal of functional core, though. Hmm, in what aspects? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Au8-0003aD-Mk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Au7-0003ZI-CT - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Au6-0003Z2-V6 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Au6-0003Yz-PG - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Avv-0007gI-9E - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:50:07 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RIlpvH018388 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:47:52 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:18:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > Of course. But if you want to print out things you must be >> able to convert to something that you can put onto a screen. @@ -18045,39 +11998,12 @@ at the Bronstein conference. Stephen told me that he wants to sort out the license issue until the end of August. It would of course be best to have Aldor free before the beginning of the next semester. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Au9-0003bZ-SY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Au8-0003ZS-31 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Au5-0003Yt-Lt - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Au5-0003Yq-Hf - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:48:13 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Avu-0007gF-4S - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:50:06 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RIm2vH018394 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:48:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:49:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org Subject: non-reflection +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Hello Bill, @@ -18127,44 +12053,12 @@ stdout << (SingleFloat has cat) << newline; after the for loop. And this gives just another F as output. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6B4Q-0007Ij-DT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:58:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6B4N-0007Gd-Ob - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:58:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6B4M-0007Fm-Rt - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:58:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6B4M-0007FZ-Ib - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:58:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6B6B-0000As-Cs - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:00:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE0D4F3F8; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:58:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6RIx7De017964; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:59:10 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6RIx7i8017963; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:59:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - <44C90359.7090003@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jul 2006 20:59:07 +0200 -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18202,39 +12096,12 @@ at Jacques Carette also has excellent discussions in connection with Gaussian elimination. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Dt4-0001y6-7s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:59:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Dt1-0001xc-TO - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:59:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Dt0-0001xB-A6 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:59:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Dt0-0001x7-6p - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:59:18 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Duq-0006H7-G4 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:01:12 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6RLwxvH022129 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:58:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:59:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > | Right, I am not used to reflection. Is there a collection of nice > | examples where reflection is a "must have"? @@ -18262,52 +12129,13 @@ like reflections are useful for optimizing code that I have written. A simple short overview of the situation is very much appreciated. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Fzs-00024J-If - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:14:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Fzq-000242-Uf - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:14:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Fzp-00023U-4E - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:14:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Fzo-00023P-S3 - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:14:28 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6G1g-00079G-OL - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:16:25 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k6S0D3ko016342 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:14:25 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k6R2SHZM020225; - Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:28:17 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:28:17 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-developer - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" - clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: axiom-developer - - ---UugvWAfsgieZRqgk -Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: +Bill Page wrote: > The reason this is being rejected is also do to another anti-spam > change to the Axiom Wiki system. A few weeks ago based on Bob > McElrath's suggestion a configured a feature of ZWiki that we had @@ -18327,74 +12155,26 @@ Do you mean the banned_links stuff? That shouldn't care whether you use I think it just applies the regex to the incoming text before it gets handed to structured text. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---UugvWAfsgieZRqgk - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFEyCTBjwioWRGe9K0RAmQeAKDVkkNhJhJz9Ue0CO/m+SanrJr0vACgic+G -xh/lmf0+39M71vk0UzXNj8U= -=6h64 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6GFX-0006OS-E4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6GFV-0006OC-7K - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6GFU-0006Nz-4W - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6GFT-0006Nw-VO - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:39 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6GHL-00084i-VC - for list; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:32:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DF6F06A6FC; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EEC296A574; - Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic +\start Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:30:28 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Acax2tKMKBNdi+coQDqp9NKrXsdwCgAAII5A From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Bob,=20 +Bob, On Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:28 PM you asked: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: > > The reason this is being rejected is also do to another > > anti-spam change to the Axiom Wiki system. ... > > This is all based on simple regular expression pattern > > matching. Nothing fancy. ->=20 -> Do you mean the banned_links stuff? That shouldn't care=20 +> +> Do you mean the banned_links stuff? That shouldn't care > whether you use -> or "blah":http://xxx.com... ->=20 +> or "blah":http://xxx.com... +> > I think it just applies the regex to the incoming text before > it gets handed to structured text. > @@ -18404,12 +12184,12 @@ of link spam comments that Axiom Wiki was collecting and I decided I didn't want to keep adding more and more patterns after the fact, so I entered a banned_links pattern of - ?:\shref\s*=3D\s*['"]?http:// + ?:\shref\s*=\s*['"]?http:// This has the effect of killing any comment or edit that contains something that looks like an HTML link - ... href=3D"http:// ... + ... href="http:// ... but the StructuredText links still get through. @@ -18417,42 +12197,15 @@ Maybe it is a bit harsh but I think there is no particularly good reason to support HTML coding (at least for links) in StructuredText/Pamphlet page types. What do you think? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Lbz-0004zr-MX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:14:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Lbx-0004ya-Ks - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:14:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Lbv-0004xR-R9 - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:14:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Lbv-0004xK-GR - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:14:11 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Ldq-0007Qc-Iq - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:16:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jul 2006 06:14:08 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-60.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.60] - by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 08:14:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:14:05 +0200 To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - - <200607271221.k6RCL3b10779@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: exports and constants Hello, -On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:21:03 +0200, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:21:03 +0200, Tim Daly wrote: >> I agree, .asy or Foam is better than C or LISP, for what you are >> considering. But Ralf considered looking into the compiler sources. The @@ -18475,51 +12228,15 @@ inforamiotn is presented more adequately IMHO. You want a simple parser. I fully agree. But parsing asy or foam is probably even easier than parsing LISP. - --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MGG-0004tS-Se - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:55:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MGE-0004qu-Vs - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:55:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MGD-0004oh-4p - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:55:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6MGC-0004oR-UQ - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:55:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6MI8-00027p-Ko - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:57:48 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6MG8-00024r-S3; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:55:44 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6MG8-0006LQ-Pa; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:55:44 +0200 -To: Tim Daly - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607270208.k6R28RG10246@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey +\start Date: 28 Jul 2006 08:55:44 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Rng unfortunately, I'm out of time currently, but: -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Axiom has some categories, such as RNG, which don't seem to match those of > regular math. One question is whether this is just a design flaw or does it @@ -18528,52 +12245,23 @@ root Tim Daly writes: No. RNG is quite standard in Algebra. I think it's even in Hungerford. I cannot see a design flaw there. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MVN-0002tF-EO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:11:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MVM-0002tA-4o - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:11:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MVK-0002sn-FA - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:11:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6MVK-0002sj-9S - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:11:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6MXG-0003YD-5w - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:13:26 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6S7BMvH000963 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:11:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:13:38 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Rng - <9q1ws62p73.fsf_-_@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On 07/28/2006 08:55 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > unfortunately, I'm out of time currently, but: > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > >> Axiom has some categories, such as RNG, which don't seem to match those of >> regular math. One question is whether this is just a design flaw or does it >> expose a new computational object that we need to examine theoretically. > -> No. RNG is quite standard in Algebra. I think it's even in Hungerford. I cannot -> see a design flaw there. +> No. RNG is quite standard in Algebra. I think it's even in Hungerford. +> I cannot see a design flaw there. > > Martin @@ -18582,35 +12270,11 @@ Axiom chooses not to provide NaturalNumber at all. One always have to be explicit and choose NNI or PI instead. Isn't that a similar situation to RNG and RING? Who decides what is common and what not? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MeD-0007kL-5u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:20:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6MeB-0007hy-8Z - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:20:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Me9-0007gZ-VW - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:20:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Me9-0007gH-Mf - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:20:33 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Mg5-0004k8-JH - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:22:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jul 2006 07:20:32 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-130.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.130] - by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 09:20:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:20:33 +0200 -To: Bill Page, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -18618,8 +12282,7 @@ Hello, > that such a high level language should care about the name > that a particular programmer assigned to one of it's objects? -yes, there are lots of applications of reflection that do not involve = - +yes, there are lots of applications of reflection that do not involve debugging. So you should typically be able to get the names of things. @@ -18633,78 +12296,68 @@ debugging. So you should typically be able to get the names of things. > add2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom > sub2:(MyDom,MyDom) -> MyDom > neg: MyDom -> MyDom -> =3D=3D add +> == add > import from Integer -> Rep =3D=3D Integer +> Rep == Integer > -> exports:Generator Category =3D=3D generate +> exports:Generator Category == generate > yield with {add2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} > yield with {sub2:(MyDom,MyDom)->MyDom} > yield with {neg:MyDom->MyDom} > -> add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) + rep(y)) -> sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D per(rep(x) - rep(y)) -> neg(x:%):% =3D=3D per(-rep(x)) - -Actually, I do not like your code, as this does not give you the kind of= - = - -information you would like to have with a reflection framework (e.g.: = - -Using proper types for types and functions, Getting parameter types), an= -d = - -will cause you lots of problems -- but maybe I am too early thinking = - -about such issues. However, besides the parsing part, the extensions and= - = - -all the other issues, if it's the way you choose, let me help you gettin= -g = +> add2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) + rep(y)) +> sub2(x:%,y:%):% == per(rep(x) - rep(y)) +> neg(x:%):% == per(-rep(x)) +Actually, I do not like your code, as this does not give you the kind of +information you would like to have with a reflection framework (e.g.: +Using proper types for types and functions, Getting parameter types), and +will cause you lots of problems -- but maybe I am too early thinking +about such issues. However, besides the parsing part, the extensions and +all the other issues, if it's the way you choose, let me help you gettin it to compile and run. The following piece of code works: #include "aldor" #include "aldorio" -macro T =3D=3D Category; -macro yieldT( expt ) =3D=3D { yield ( expt@T ) } +macro T == Category; +macro yieldT( expt ) == { yield ( expt@T ) } -EXPORT0: T =3D=3D with {add2:(%,%)->%}; -EXPORT1: T =3D=3D with {sub2:(%,%)->%}; -EXPORT2: T =3D=3D with {neg: % -> %}; +EXPORT0: T == with {add2:(%,%)->%}; +EXPORT1: T == with {sub2:(%,%)->%}; +EXPORT2: T == with {neg: % -> %}; MyDom: with { exports: () -> Generator T; EXPORT0; EXPORT1; EXPORT2; -} =3D=3D add { +} == add { import from Integer; - Rep =3D=3D Integer; + Rep == Integer; - exports(): Generator T =3D=3D generate { + exports(): Generator T == generate { yieldT EXPORT0; yieldT EXPORT1; yieldT EXPORT2; }; - add2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D { + add2(x:%,y:%):% == { per(rep(x) + rep(y)) }; - sub2(x:%,y:%):% =3D=3D { + sub2(x:%,y:%):% == { per(rep(x) - rep(y)); }; - neg(x:%):% =3D=3D { + neg(x:%):% == { per(-rep(x)); }; } -checkSign( Dom: with{}, sign: T ):Boolean =3D=3D { +checkSign( Dom: with{}, sign: T ):Boolean == { Dom has sign; } @@ -18720,14 +12373,10 @@ Its output is: ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~ -$ LC_ALL=3DC /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=3D-Wopts=3D-m32 -= -Fx = - +$ LC_ALL=C /opt/aldor/bin/aldor -M no-abbrev -C args=-Wopts=-m32 -Fx -lalgebra -laldor test3.as && ./test3 -cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documentation for detai= -ls -cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documentation for detai= -ls +cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documentation for details +cc1: note: -fwritable-strings is deprecated; see documentation for details F T F @@ -18741,36 +12390,21 @@ Just as expected. What did I do to get the code working? I got rid of pile. Piles are simply a pain to my eyes. -I turned exports into a function, as you'd probably want to call it more= - = - +I turned exports into a function, as you'd probably want to call it more than once. -You yielded anonymous categories, created just within the yield clause. = - = - -This looked dangerous to me, so I turned them into proper definitions = - -within MyDom's add part. This however gave problems when checking by has= - = - -(as the Categories where no longer anonymous), so I had to use them = - -already in the with clause, and moved them to the top-level scope = - +You yielded anonymous categories, created just within the yield clause. +This looked dangerous to me, so I turned them into proper definitions +within MyDom's add part. This however gave problems when checking by has +(as the Categories where no longer anonymous), so I had to use them +already in the with clause, and moved them to the top-level scope (EXPORT0, ...). -I use the macro yieldT instead of simply yield, to tell the compiler the= - = - -yielded thing really is a Category. For some of my experiments this wasn= -'t = - +I use the macro yieldT instead of simply yield, to tell the compiler the +yielded thing really is a Category. For some of my experiments this wasn't necessary -- for some it was. -I moved your "has" check in a separate function. It doesn't seem to work= - = - +I moved your "has" check in a separate function. It doesn't seem to work out well, if the Cat part of "Dom has Sig" is not constant in scope. That's it. @@ -18785,28 +12419,17 @@ Your code demonstrates more than just one compiler bug ... ;) > could probably be easily and quickly resolved if Aldor was open > source. -I doubt that. In May, I got a mail from one of the compiler people telli= -ng = - +I doubt that. In May, I got a mail from one of the compiler people telling me -I have spent the last couple of days looking into this [Remark by CA: th= -e = - -"-fwritable-strings" issue] , but the whole compiler uses char * a =3D "= -abc" = - -(and the compiler is about 250K LOC). In most of the places they seem t= -o = - +I have spent the last couple of days looking into this [Remark by CA: the +"-fwritable-strings" issue] , but the whole compiler uses char * a = "abc" +(and the compiler is about 250K LOC). In most of the places they seem to be treated as const char *, but I still have a long way to go. -So somebody is already working on it, and I believe him, that it's not o= -ne = - +So somebody is already working on it, and I believe him, that it's not one of those problems you fix in the 5 minutes till lunch break ;) -Nevertheless, maybe he'd get help and feedback once the compiler is free= -d. +Nevertheless, maybe he'd get help and feedback once the compiler is freed. > I do not see any advantage of the syntax @@ -18819,17 +12442,11 @@ d. > > which does not involve any explicit external function call. -First of all (as I described in the upper part of my mail), you wouldn't= - = - -be able to get two different generators. Hence, if the generator ran out= - = - +First of all (as I described in the upper part of my mail), you wouldn't +be able to get two different generators. Hence, if the generator ran out of elements, you cannot restart it -- very nasty thing ;) -The second issue is abstraction. Even if you get the thing done your way= -, = - +The second issue is abstraction. Even if you get the thing done your way I'd never call exports$SomeDom directly. Create some domain @@ -18838,55 +12455,16 @@ Reflection( T: Type ): with { exports: () -> Generator Category } -and use exports$(Reflection(SomeDom)). Thereby you can extend the whole = - = - -reflection thing quite naturally, and if reflection gets built into = - -compiler/runtime, you wouldn't have to change the programs relying on = - +and use exports$(Reflection(SomeDom)). Thereby you can extend the whole +reflection thing quite naturally, and if reflection gets built into +compiler/runtime, you wouldn't have to change the programs relying on reflection, but only need to change the domain Reflection. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NH3-0006IU-5X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:00:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NGx-0006EI-MU - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:00:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NGv-0006CG-7S - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:00:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6NGv-0006Bz-0q - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:00:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6NIr-0007jE-6A - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:02:37 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6NGt-0007sC-As; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:00:35 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6NGt-0007sE-7W; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:00:35 +0200 +\start +Date: 28 Jul 2006 10:00:34 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - <9qhd1485z8.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C898D2.7050000@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 28 Jul 2006 10:00:34 +0200 -Cc: list Hi Ralf, @@ -18915,39 +12493,11 @@ whether we should have such a thing. Concerning provisos, this really affects only the domain EXPR, in my opinion. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NNF-0001c6-RK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:07:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NND-0001br-5W - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:07:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NNA-0001bX-Ba - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:07:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6NN9-0001bM-RL - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:07:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6NP6-00087U-6H - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:09:04 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6S86xvH001775 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:06:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:09:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at -Subject: Re: Aldor translations +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > Axiom's core is currently based on Lisp, and I personally think this is > a Good Thing. If we output Aldor to something other than Lisp, we face @@ -18971,82 +12521,53 @@ Do you think it would be a bad idea to produce a symbolic library for Axiom and make it available to C programmers by simply targetting C as the Aldor output? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NvF-000711-Bn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:42:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NvD-00070o-RA - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:42:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6NvA-0006sv-3l - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:42:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Nv9-0006sg-Ty - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:42:11 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Nx6-0002RU-IN - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:44:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6S8g6vH003312 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:42:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:44:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <9qodva88gt.fsf_-_@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list [recursive vs. distributed polynomials] -> I don't know how we should model "abstract polynomials", but I'm not ev= -en sure -> whether we should have such a thing. -That would be possible, but suppose you want to do a Gr=F6bner basis=20 -computation. Who is going to choose the most efficient data representatio= -n? +> I don't know how we should model "abstract polynomials", but I'm not +> even sure whether we should have such a thing. + +That would be possible, but suppose you want to do a Gr=F6bner basis +computation. Who is going to choose the most efficient data representation? In fact, one could model that, but where should it be stored? -The GB algorithm could only make some statements about "I probably run=20 -fastest with this and that representation", but the "abstract=20 +The GB algorithm could only make some statements about "I probably run +fastest with this and that representation", but the "abstract polynomials" might not provide such a representation. What to do then? -Or you could store the knowledge that "for GB computations this or that=20 -representation is best" in the "abstract polynomials". Then somebody=20 -comes and adds a knew algorithm to the system and the "abstract=20 +Or you could store the knowledge that "for GB computations this or that +representation is best" in the "abstract polynomials". Then somebody +comes and adds a knew algorithm to the system and the "abstract polynomials" just don't know about the appropriate representation. -I think it is totally hard to map the mathematical concept of=20 -polynomials to just ONE "abstract polynomial" type and make the choice=20 +I think it is totally hard to map the mathematical concept of +polynomials to just ONE "abstract polynomial" type and make the choice of the underlying datastructure invisible. > Concerning provisos, this really affects only the domain EXPR, in my op= inion. -Provisos look to me like a tree of results stored in one object. But=20 +Provisos look to me like a tree of results stored in one object. But maybe I should read Tim's thesis first. Anyway, yesterday I spoke with Antoine Hersen about provisos. He came up with the following simple system in Q[x,y]. -x*y =3D b -a*x =3D b +x*y = b +a*x = b -With provisos, I guess we are speaking about polynomials in Q(a,b)[x,y]=20 -where we are looking for a solution in some extension of Q depending on=20 +With provisos, I guess we are speaking about polynomials in Q(a,b)[x,y] +where we are looking for a solution in some extension of Q depending on the parameters a and b. -As we all know, the result of the second equation splits into 4 cases=20 -depending on whether a and/or b is 0. And the result is best described=20 +As we all know, the result of the second equation splits into 4 cases +depending on whether a and/or b is 0. And the result is best described by the set of solutions together with the conditions. To make it simple the type would be @@ -19058,47 +12579,19 @@ Anyway. Now solve the first equation. Interestingly, the type would be (subset Q(x), equations in Q(a,b,x)), -since if a=3Db=3D0 you cannot say anything about x. +since if a=b=0 you cannot say anything about x. -The question is: What type should provisos have? See, I start with=20 +The question is: What type should provisos have? See, I start with Q(a,b)[x,y] in the beginning. How do I know that I will need Q(a,b,x) in = the result? -Ralf - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6PQy-0002TN-Vp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:19:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6PQw-0002Sc-Qx - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:19:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6PQv-0002Rr-Ac - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:19:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6PQv-0002Rn-5c - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:19:05 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6PSs-0002f7-FT - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:21:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 57201 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2006 10:19:03 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=iXB3sC6xzS1DfSv5bEERZxIL/0G7foO5FFj+IxJTx7J0CY5xZ9HJ+AgUKswErrYkSq5mXz08KYs87FywDgVCeMy7qDDC23m41F2f0PKDKMDBnN5bDrMR/YJBTee3oZoC2u6tPX7gu/rXwhK7MXFv/SJtUy4s3QWJsWQJs35/I7M= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:19:03 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at Subject: Re: Aldor translations +Cc: Christian Aistleitner --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -19114,44 +12607,12 @@ I'm not sure how easy it would be to get the same behavior of the code in two different language translations, but I guess that is up to the Aldor system. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Pjy-0002ox-WB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:38:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Pjx-0002oq-L8 - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:38:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Pjw-0002oe-Ih - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:38:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Pjw-0002ob-ED - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:38:44 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Plu-0004EA-0U - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:40:46 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6SAcdvH006434 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:38:39 +0200 +\start Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:40:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at Subject: Re: Aldor translations +Cc: Christian Aistleitner >> Do you think it would be a bad idea to produce a symbolic library for >> Axiom and make it available to C programmers by simply targetting C @@ -19177,37 +12638,11 @@ FOAM) was designed to translate well to LISP and C. The compiler probably provides different runtime systems for LISP and C, but that is a problem of the compiler not of Aldor. -All the best -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6VoB-0004Xk-8W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:07:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Vo9-0004XL-7k - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:07:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6Vo7-0004Wz-CA - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:07:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6Vo7-0004Ww-8B - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:07:27 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.210] (helo=mails10.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6Vq8-00012J-Va - for list; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:09:33 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mails10.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6SH6mHD004809; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:07:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:06:47 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Christian, @@ -19261,39 +12696,11 @@ Thank you very much indeed for this solution! :-)) I will study it carefully and try to extend it to examples of more practical applications of reflection and self-identification. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6grc-0004yq-Ji - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:55:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6grb-0004yN-0U - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:55:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6gra-0004y5-E4 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:55:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6gra-0004y2-8D - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:55:46 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6gti-0001FE-Lt - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:57:58 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6T4t9x9012422; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:55:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:54:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: exports and constants Christian, @@ -19460,42 +12867,12 @@ Perhaps I am missing something here? Yes, that makes sense. Thanks. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6hZR-0000Ui-O0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:41:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6hZQ-0000Ud-0o - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:41:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6hZO-0000UQ-EJ - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:41:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6hZO-0000UN-8F - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:41:02 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6hbX-0003oy-5p - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:43:15 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6T5eovH030338 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:40:50 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:43:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: non-constant constants was: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: - exports and constants -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Subject: non-constant constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Hi Bill, @@ -19548,37 +12925,12 @@ so that is a destructive function and thus you should expect strange things. The BANG functions (like set!) are only for people who know what they do. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6iEp-0005Rb-P6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:23:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6iEo-0005RK-8p - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:23:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6iEj-0005Qp-Js - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:23:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6iEj-0005Qg-CH - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:23:45 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6iGs-0006dJ-SP - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:25:59 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6T6LvDB006285; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:22:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] non-constant constants was: re: - exports and constants Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:21:48 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] non-constant constants was: re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf, @@ -19688,49 +13040,11 @@ or Do you know of any other language where Generators have the same semantics as in Aldor? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6j6Z-00057e-Bh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:19:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6j6X-00055w-3s - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:19:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6j6S-00052g-H7 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:19:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6j6S-00052V-Ah - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:19:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6j8c-0001nT-DK - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:21:30 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6j6N-0003T2-Ut; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:19:11 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6j6N-0000jx-Rm; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:19:11 +0200 +Date: 29 Jul 2006 09:19:09 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - <9qhd1485z8.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C898D2.7050000@hemmecke.de> - <9qodva88gt.fsf_-_@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C9CE66.3010207@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Jul 2006 09:19:09 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -19739,7 +13053,7 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: > > I don't know how we should model "abstract polynomials", but I'm not ev= en sure > > whether we should have such a thing. ->=20 +> > That would be possible, but suppose you want to do a Gr=F6bner basis > computation. Who is going to choose the most efficient data representatio= n? @@ -19763,9 +13077,9 @@ Something easier to grasp is probably: z: Abstract Complex INT -and then be able to say=20 +and then be able to say -w :=3D conjugate z. +w := conjugate z. In other words: there would be no data representation as we are used to currently. @@ -19774,39 +13088,12 @@ Again, note that although I find this an interesting subject, I believe tha= t it is currently out of reach. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jGT-00087T-Mq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:29:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jGR-00087D-Np - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:29:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jGP-000871-7P - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:29:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6jGP-00086y-2P - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:29:33 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6jIZ-0002Nu-0A - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:31:47 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6T7TDvH031985 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:29:13 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:31:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -Cc: list, tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > Unfortunately Aldor treats named categories differently than > anonymous ones: @@ -19876,35 +13163,12 @@ category definitions with or without "define" differently. But that current behaviour can not be relied on. So it is better practice to write "define". -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jri-0005gb-O0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:08:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jrf-0005es-Jj - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:08:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jrd-0005dw-Hd - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:08:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6jrd-0005dd-5V - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:08:01 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6jtn-0005Ya-GV - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:10:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2006 08:07:58 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-93.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.93] - by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 10:07:58 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:08:00 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants +Cc: aldor-l@aldor.org Hello, @@ -19927,23 +13191,18 @@ maybe I did not make my statement clear enough. In code like: SomeDom: with { func:( B: A, C: B ) -> (); -} =3D=3D add { - func( B: A, C: B ): () =3D=3D { +} == add { + func( B: A, C: B ): () == { local x: Integer; - x=3D1; + x=1; } } -Reflection should be able to tell you "SomeDom contains a function with = - = - +Reflection should be able to tell you "SomeDom contains a function with name func". -Reflection should be able to tell you "SomeDom contains a function with = - = - +Reflection should be able to tell you "SomeDom contains a function with name func, whose first parameter is B and is of type A". -Reflection should not be able to tell you "SomeDom contains a function = - +Reflection should not be able to tell you "SomeDom contains a function with name func, which uses the variable x". So I guess me actually agree on this one, don't we? @@ -19960,68 +13219,29 @@ So I guess me actually agree on this one, don't we? > clear that it is possible in Aldor to add many different kinds > of self-identifying information as exported constants. -I'll give you some hints about the tip of the iceberg. Consider the piec= -e = - -of code above. What would your exports function yield? Probably somethin= -g = - +I'll give you some hints about the tip of the iceberg. Consider the piece +of code above. What would your exports function yield? Probably something like generate { yield with { func: ( B: A, C: B ) -> () } } -But that's of limited use. How can you extract information from "with = - +But that's of limited use. How can you extract information from "with { func: ( B: A, C: B ) -> () }"? -You should have to extract the identifier "func" and it's type "( B: A, = -C: = - -B ) -> ()". But your yielded expression is a black box -- you can test i= -t, = - +You should have to extract the identifier "func" and it's type "( B: A, C: +B ) -> ()". But your yielded expression is a black box -- you can test it, but not look inside of it. -You should be able to determine the domain and codomain of mappings. You= - = - -should be able to "explode" "( B: A, C: B )" into "B of type A and C of = - = - +You should be able to determine the domain and codomain of mappings. You +should be able to "explode" "( B: A, C: B )" into "B of type A and C of type B". But as I said, it's probably to early to discuss these issues now. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jyR-0007sD-Sg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:15:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jyP-0007q4-LS - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:15:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6jyN-0007nh-OJ - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:15:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6jyN-0007nU-Ic - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:14:59 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6k0X-00062D-AH - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:17:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2006 08:14:57 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-93.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.93] - by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 10:14:57 +0200 +\start Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:15:00 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -20046,40 +13266,11 @@ does not work when not hidden in a function. But it works when within a function. I can only guess about the reason. - --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6kEs-0005N7-6p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:32:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6kEp-0005MD-VZ - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:32:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6kEp-0005LK-FD - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:31:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6kEp-0005LH-D5 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:31:59 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6kH0-0007AX-1I - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:34:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jul 2006 08:31:56 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-93.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.93] - by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 10:31:56 +0200 +\start Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:31:59 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] non-constant constants was: re: - exports and constants -From: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] non-constant constants was: re: exports and constants Hello, @@ -20113,7 +13304,7 @@ No. It's the whole point of generators... > The 2nd loop is guarranteed never to execute?! I assume, you have some - const =3D=3D someGenerator; + const == someGenerator; before the for loops. Then segfaults happen (occasionally) with such = constructs. @@ -20121,7 +13312,7 @@ But after all, you should not write such code. > But if I have some other constant constant like a list > -> const2: List Integer =3D=3D [1,2,3] +> const2: List Integer == [1,2,3] > > for x in const2 repeat > ... @@ -20153,8 +13344,8 @@ for x in generator const2 repeat List you take the generator of is constant. >> If you like you could also say something like ->> a: Record(x: Integer) =3D=3D [1]; ->> a.x :=3D 0; +>> a: Record(x: Integer) == [1]; +>> a.x := 0; >> and the "constant" a changes. But you should note that the >> last line is >> actually @@ -20192,43 +13383,13 @@ http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/api/java/util/Iterator.html For example C++: http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/Iterators.html --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6lmU-0007vp-R3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:10:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6lmU-0007vj-2F - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:10:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6lmQ-0007vT-DF - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:10:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6lmQ-0007vQ-5Q - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:10:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6lob-0006UK-Q9 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:13:02 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6TAAgvH002254 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:10:42 +0200 +\start Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:08:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <9qmzasg9oy.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list -> I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. I was referring to Tim's (?) +> I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. I was referring to Tim's > idea that we could say something like: > > p: Abstract POLY INT @@ -20279,41 +13440,12 @@ an exception might happen and your program has to deal with that. But an exception is an easy exercise. It is getting more complicated if the "unvalued but typed" expression might result in multible values. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6lms-00083B-2c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:11:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6lmp-00082L-U5 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:11:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6lmo-00081n-BR - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:11:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6lmo-00081h-0f - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:11:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6loz-0006WM-74 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:13:25 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6TAAkvH002260 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:10:47 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:12:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] non-constant constants was: re: - exports and constants -Cc: tmgisi@gmx.at, aldor-l@aldor.org, Laurentiu Dragan, - Stephen Watt, list +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] non-constant constants was: re: exports and constants +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Laurentiu Dragan, Stephen Watt On 07/29/2006 08:21 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -20440,48 +13572,11 @@ However, I believe it is OK, if "next! gen" modifies the constant. It is in the responsibility of the programmer not the do anything harmful if s/he uses BANG functions. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6noS-0007OA-Nt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:21:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6noR-0007Nw-3y - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:20:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6noP-0007Nk-Gt - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:20:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6noP-0007Nh-BW - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:20:57 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6nqc-0002M0-57 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:23:14 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6noN-0000G2-Gq; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:20:55 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.62) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G6noN-0006CH-Da; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:20:55 +0200 +Date: 29 Jul 2006 14:20:54 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - <9qhd1485z8.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C898D2.7050000@hemmecke.de> - <9qodva88gt.fsf_-_@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C9CE66.3010207@hemmecke.de> <9qmzasg9oy.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44CB257F.2000506@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Jul 2006 14:20:54 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -20516,40 +13611,11 @@ Quite right. That's why I added "as we are used to currently". Yes, we are of the same opinion (modulo email). -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6qAQ-0005zw-1C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:51:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6qAN-0005z3-S3 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:51:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6qAM-0005yN-LD - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:51:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6qAM-0005yK-GG - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:51:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6qCa-00005I-Lz - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:54:04 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6TEpSvH010835 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:51:28 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:53:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: tmgisi@gmx.at +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Re: exports and constants - -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org >> I still see conceptual problems with "names". I can take one >> source code containing, say a local variable named X that @@ -20578,48 +13644,11 @@ libalgebra.al and libmyalg.al and the interpreter should do what it is supposed to do (basically behave like the foam interpreter (aldor -gloop) but a bit faster and maybe with some nice way of guessing types. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6rdN-000210-71 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:25:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6rdL-00020K-Ku - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:25:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6rdL-0001zV-3C - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:25:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6rdK-0001zJ-TJ - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:25:46 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6rfa-0000N4-Aa - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:28:06 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TGPMdx004704 - for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:25:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17782 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2006 16:25:24 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 29 Jul 2006 16:25:24 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6TGHvB12561; - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:17:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:17:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 29 Jul 2006 09:19:09 +0200) Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <200607261605.k6QG5b609970@localhost.localdomain> - <9qhd1485z8.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C898D2.7050000@hemmecke.de> - <9qodva88gt.fsf_-_@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <44C9CE66.3010207@hemmecke.de> <9qmzasg9oy.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Martin, @@ -20690,39 +13719,9 @@ in the proviso as in etc. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6tDR-0000A1-8Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:07:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6tDP-000090-3i - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:07:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6tDL-00007U-PT - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:07:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tDL-00007R-Ix - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:07:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6tFb-00085z-SB - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:09:24 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TI6xDm011646 - for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:06:59 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28420 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2006 18:06:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 29 Jul 2006 18:06:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6THxMb12602; - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:59:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:59:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: topic modeling @@ -20769,40 +13768,11 @@ in limited domains (e.g. math) than in unspecified domains. Sounds like an NSF or INRIA grant idea to me. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6vTi-0000GD-6b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:32:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6vTf-0000F1-QX - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:32:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6vTe-0000EV-0B - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:32:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6vTd-0000ES-Oy - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:32:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6vVv-0001Ub-B5 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:34:23 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6TKVvvH032543 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:31:57 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:34:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Polynomials, abstract objects, provisos - <9qmzasg9oy.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200607291617.k6TGHvB12561@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > One could then create an IndefinitePolynomial over the > IndefiniteIntegers which exports operations that remain @@ -20872,45 +13842,11 @@ I have not yet an idea how to treat a multivalued result. Any other ideas? -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6zOO-0008Hm-9t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:42:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6zOM-0008Hg-O4 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:42:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G6zOM-0008HU-2J - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:42:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6zOL-0008HR-Sb - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:42:49 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6zQg-00083H-06 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:45:14 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6U0gdta026649 - for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:42:41 -0400 -Received: (qmail 2282 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 00:42:39 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Jul 2006 00:42:39 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6U0Z4o12687; - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:35:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:35:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Antoine Hersen - (Antoine Hersen) Subject: Re: topic modeling - -Cc: list > Classification is a popular subject in AI and especially data mining, I did > not read the paper but there is a lot different technique. And having an @@ -20938,53 +13874,17 @@ KROPS is described in: financial marketing consultation system" Proc. HICCS (1988) Pages 496-500 -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G71dv-0003D9-He - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:07:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G71dt-0003D4-Q7 - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:07:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G71ds-0003Cs-9R - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:07:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G71ds-0003Cp-4C - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:07:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G71gD-00083K-Jy - for list; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:09:25 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6U36h2j022889 - for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:06:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27940 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 03:06:43 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 30 Jul 2006 03:06:43 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6U2xA012737; - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:59:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:59:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: ICMS 06 Talk Someone on this list mentioned that they were giving a talk at ICMS 06. Could you update Marc with the information? -Tim - ------- Start of forwarded message ------- -Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:01:44 -0400 -From: Marc Moreno Maza -To: root Tim Daly -Subject: Re: code +From: Marc Moreno Maza Tim, @@ -21009,41 +13909,12 @@ On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 06:42:32AM -0400, root wrote: > include in Axiom? > > Tim -------- End of forwarded message ------- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G732o-00082m-MR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:36:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G732m-00082e-Ua - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:36:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G732l-00082S-Ks - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:36:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G732l-00082P-FU - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:36:47 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.189] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7357-00066E-Q1 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:39:13 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so168879nfc - for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:36:45 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=Ho5oMF2RoxfOlwLfUrLrXju3fED8KOlBpVhLbnsTXnq2JC+vkWTLNFPMnHT1YCXC2uCxGv666QxdEVYrAXp3iktS9pVNY/4X8UZz9x3/+CTA8kYtEu8xl3lSxAbZmDX7laxlgXvncDLNYlOiJixeCHHrdjmRUT/CBb9I5ITgajU= -Received: by 10.78.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr211095hud; - Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:36:45 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.11 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:36:45 -0700 (PDT) + +\start Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:36:45 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: Antoine Hersen, list +To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: topic modeling - - <200607300035.k6U0Z4o12687@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Classification in fact is an field of Artificial intelligence, more specific a Natural Language Process sing. More than the current, buzz about "Semantic @@ -21073,7 +13944,7 @@ Regards, A.P. -On 7/29/06, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 7/29/06, Tim Daly wrote: > > Classification is a popular subject in AI and especially data mining, I did > > not read the paper but there is a lot different technique. And having an > > article in ZDnet and making a round in the blogospher is not reliable @@ -21099,54 +13970,14 @@ On 7/29/06, root Tim Daly wrote: > "Integrating rules and inheritance networks in a knowledge-based > financial marketing consultation system" Proc. HICCS (1988) > Pages 496-500 -> -> t -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G762W-0004OU-Or - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:48:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G762V-0004OP-Ug - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:48:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G762U-0004O3-1b - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:48:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G762T-0004Nu-Ka - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:48:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G764r-0001Fk-RC - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:51:10 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DAD4F3E1; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:48:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6U7moht024567; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:48:52 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6U7mo3R024566; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:48:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f + +\start +Date: 30 Jul 2006 09:48:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet - <200607021916.k62JGbf15468@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 09:48:50 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet {\wc -> {\sl -- fixed in the next release --t @@ -21180,38 +14011,13 @@ I applied the below & terminate, and then returns a value of -1 with errno set to\\ & ECHILD.\\ - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7BSi-0005xc-Vb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:36:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7BSh-0005wh-Uq - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:36:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7BSg-0005v6-CE - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:36:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7BSg-0005uz-9V - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.187] (helo=web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7BV7-0000Hn-R3 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:38:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail 90981 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2006 13:36:04 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=2Hk9XG37Cd2/dooJv87Vt/Jpw66v77XpGB6c0N9e3BrL2nfe1pHVlW3e1uCGWufof2xvv5mC0Wj8Ybm1QPQH0vS+PXclGZxGvfHqUIbp1McflYS8x/RQhhu3+aU5WcKVLQzwLLWehhri/21amdURIsAgErLzUSu2mFd8QF8M4uI= - ; -Received: from [67.165.98.236] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:36:04 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: topic modeling -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > I've muttered about expanding the latex tags to have \idea, > \concept, etc. so that newly born papers could be more easily @@ -21273,53 +14079,13 @@ Indeed. > > Sounds like an NSF or INRIA grant idea to me. -:-). - -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7DPN-0004MJ-BU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:40:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7DPM-0004M1-28 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:40:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7DPI-0004Lo-E2 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:40:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7DPI-0004Ll-BL - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:40:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7DRl-0000T5-4Y - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:43:17 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A5340F60; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:40:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UFerLN029237; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:40:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UFerCw029236; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:40:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 30 Jul 2006 17:40:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 17:40:53 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | To find the error you need to run Latex in its normal noisy mode. Do | @@ -21337,46 +14103,13 @@ l.150 S ? - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7DYX-0007nm-05 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:50:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7DYV-0007nc-OU - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:50:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7DYT-0007m6-CG - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:50:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7DYT-0007m3-6s - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:50:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Daw-0000uW-2G - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:52:46 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376D240F45; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:50:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UFoM6g029316; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:50:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UFoM4e029315; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:50:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 17:50:21 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 17:50:21 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | To find the error you need to run Latex in its normal noisy mode. Do | @@ -21390,45 +14123,13 @@ root Tim Daly writes: l.195 The {\sl uap} argument to a POSIX SA_ SIGINFO handler points to an inst... -? - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Duj-0002To-3K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:13:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Duh-0002Td-AI - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:13:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Duf-0002TF-Iu - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:13:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Duf-0002T5-Ge - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:13:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Dx8-0002J3-Nb - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:15:42 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DBB40E22; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:13:07 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UGDIjf029586; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:13:20 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UGDIDe029585; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:13:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 18:13:18 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 18:13:18 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | To find the error you need to run Latex in its normal noisy mode. Do | @@ -21473,87 +14174,21 @@ l.17 \includegraphics{ps/bluebayou.ps} \\ ? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7EZW-0007Gx-SS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:55:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7EZV-0007G4-Ed - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:55:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7EZT-0007EJ-SQ - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:55:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7EZT-0007EB-P1 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:55:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Ebw-0004s8-6v - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:57:53 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UGt0xF010913 - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:55:05 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30994 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 16:55:02 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Jul 2006 16:55:02 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6UGlWP20600; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:47:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:47:32 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 30 Jul 2006 17:40:53 +0200) Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list patched. fixed in the next release. --t (no, i still don't have SVN working. there is no time) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Ebl-0001FO-VW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:57:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Ebk-0001Dd-PS - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:57:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Ebi-0001CU-WF - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:57:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Ebi-0001C8-Qh - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:57:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7EeC-000521-8v - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:00:12 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UGvEkW015815 - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:57:21 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25449 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 16:57:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Jul 2006 16:57:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6UGnk420604; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:49:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:49:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 30 Jul 2006 17:50:21 +0200) Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list please post "diff -Naur" patch files. this does not have sufficient information. @@ -21577,37 +14212,11 @@ l.195 The {\sl uap} argument to a POSIX SA_ ? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FEH-0003yV-7N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:37:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FEG-0003wE-1Z - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:37:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FEC-0003nn-Ed - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:37:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7FEC-0003nb-A8 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:37:24 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7FGg-0007aT-5J - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:39:58 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6UHbDvH027192 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:37:13 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - -Cc: list Tim, @@ -21623,47 +14232,13 @@ Otherwise I fear that Gold and Silver diverge. We all should take care that the silver trunk (almost) always compiles. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FNv-0000Vn-HF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:47:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FNu-0000Va-EI - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:47:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FNr-0000VM-1W - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:47:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7FNq-0000VJ-S3 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:47:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7FQK-0008Nb-RN - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:49:57 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E16040E38; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:47:20 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UHlVHp031045; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:47:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UHlVLK031044; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:47:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:47:31 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607301647.k6UGlWP20600@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:47:31 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | patched. fixed in the next release. --t | @@ -21671,45 +14246,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: Then, please could send a patch to the list? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FOu-0000yJ-Cr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:48:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FOr-0000wK-WE - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:48:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FOq-0000w8-Uf - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:48:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7FOq-0000w5-Rk - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:48:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7FRK-0008Pq-Rb - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:50:59 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216B40F60; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:48:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UHmXX0031049; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:48:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UHmXd9031048; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:48:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:48:33 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CCEEDC.70302@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:48:33 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -21720,47 +14261,13 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: That is one my big concerns too. It is a situation I would hate to see happen. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FRE-0001uB-7d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:50:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FRB-0001pe-V8 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:50:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FR9-0001oC-Ga - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:50:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7FR9-0001o9-As - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:50:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7FTd-00006K-Ae - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:53:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ACB4F3DF; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:50:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UHouRx031053; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:50:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UHouMo031052; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:50:56 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:50:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607301649.k6UGnk420604@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:50:55 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | please post "diff -Naur" patch files. @@ -21770,45 +14277,13 @@ I meant to send the build log (when it is finished) but previous attemps met resistance as the log is judged "too big" for the mailer at the other end of SF. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FSd-0002Pa-V5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FSc-0002OA-9i - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FSa-0002Nb-Nd - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7FSa-0002NS-HM - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7FV4-0000Dx-JO - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:54:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AC04F3E0; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:52:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UHqPX0031057; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:52:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UHqP0q031056; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:52:25 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:52:25 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:52:25 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | To find the error you need to run Latex in its normal noisy mode. Do | @@ -21835,43 +14310,11 @@ l.513 generates the error (reported as bug # 102): ? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FrZ-0001Fu-Sq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:18:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FrY-0001Ff-KR - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:18:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7FrV-0001FF-7o - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:18:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7FrV-0001F8-0m - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:18:01 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Ftr-000250-OU - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:20:35 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UIHqQH013438 - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:17:52 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13104 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 18:17:52 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Jul 2006 18:17:52 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6UIACR20641; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:10:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:10:12 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 30 Jul 2006 19:39:40 +0200) Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <44CCEEDC.70302@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list I've tried to get debian running several times without success. I downloaded a 9 CD Debian set, spent half a day trying to install @@ -21888,48 +14331,13 @@ so they could pursue their own goals, similar to what I do locally. There was never an understanding on my part that I'd be doing any maintenance on it. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7GS3-0001xf-JW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:55:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7GS2-0001xX-BD - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:55:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7GS1-0001xL-RM - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:55:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7GS1-0001xI-K6 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:55:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7GUW-0004ra-8U - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:58:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1393240F6A; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:55:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UItre5031937; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:55:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UItr2f031936; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:55:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Jul 2006 20:55:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CCEEDC.70302@hemmecke.de> - <200607301810.k6UIACR20641@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 20:55:53 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | On the other hand, I have to say that I don't have the cycles | available to keep Gold and Silver in sync. It's not for lack @@ -21954,48 +14362,11 @@ the gold. We all agree that we don't have enough resource; the last thing we want to do is to waste the scarse resources in many wasteful forks. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7HAw-0004B3-9j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:42:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7HAu-0004AS-Vl - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:42:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7HAr-0004A5-FG - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:42:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7HAr-00049v-4u - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:42:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7HDI-00089h-RP - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:44:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UJft40000940 - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:41:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31527 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 19:41:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Jul 2006 19:41:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6UJYG220669; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:34:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:34:16 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 30 Jul 2006 20:55:53 +0200) Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CCEEDC.70302@hemmecke.de> - <200607301810.k6UIACR20641@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > However, the only meaningful way people can productively "play" with > th silver branch is when it is not far from the gold. @@ -22061,54 +14432,13 @@ There are things that only I can do and these are things that I should spend time doing. There are things that others can do (like apply patches to Silver) and these are things that I should not be doing. -t - - +\start +Date: 30 Jul 2006 23:41:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7J2S-0004Aj-EK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:41:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7J2Q-0004Ae-UP - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:41:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7J2Q-0004AS-68 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:41:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7J2P-0004AP-US - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:41:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7J4w-0000iW-1k - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:44:06 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDAD40E22; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:41:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6ULfbnV001258; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:41:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6ULfbJH001257; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:41:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CCEEDC.70302@hemmecke.de> - <200607301810.k6UIACR20641@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607301934.k6UJYG220669@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Jul 2006 23:41:37 +0200 -Cc: list - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > However, the only meaningful way people can productively "play" with | > th silver branch is when it is not far from the gold. @@ -22226,44 +14556,11 @@ without testing. We can test and apply the patches if we *have* them. Please, just send your version against Gold. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7K4Y-00067q-Cs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:47:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7K4X-00067Z-Kd - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:47:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7K4W-00067E-3C - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:47:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7K4V-00067B-Pq - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:47:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7K72-0005JZ-NH - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:50:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D1D40F59; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:47:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UMlpQF001750; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:47:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UMlpHT001749; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:47:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 31 Jul 2006 00:47:51 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Jul 2006 00:47:51 +0200 -Cc: list - Tim -- @@ -22285,47 +14582,11 @@ More generally, the style does not seem consitent to me; sometimes it is {\sl ... }, sometimes is [[....]], sometimes it is just plain text. What are the general rules? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7KsW-0007V6-OO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7KsV-0007Uu-Jl - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7KsU-0007Uf-QH - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7KsU-0007Uc-Ls - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:39:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Kv2-0000cT-17 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:42:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C824F3CE; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:39:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6UNdSE7002498; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:39:30 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6UNdSr3002497; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:39:28 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 31 Jul 2006 01:39:28 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Jul 2006 01:39:28 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -22414,37 +14675,10 @@ files not found. More on that later. \end{tabular} \section{MAC OSX and BSD platform change} - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7LpP-0004lm-KD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:40:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7LpO-0004lV-72 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:40:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7LpM-0004l2-NS - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:40:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7LpM-0004kv-H2 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:40:12 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.190] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Lru-0004hU-Gh - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:42:50 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so302811nfc - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:40:11 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=EnkPKxafB0PQ/Z/PSVAb+7s3AgpisB+XDe40cBZoO6lIfWKKV05HY0cEUREz+YetfICcZC3+lG8PfgZjJNtTFgeQNQ1AyXHsLXxwUQ0btKKsfV8jzW2yS8Y1HOaqsTDb47at26jE9lV5l1nPDYxle7t3iPq4fVnFpAo9mKH3EWI= -Received: by 10.78.185.16 with SMTP id i16mr373823huf; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:40:11 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:40:11 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Axiom developers" -Cc: +To: Bill Page, Subject: Doyen Hi Bill, @@ -22462,46 +14696,12 @@ Anybody that feels more information should be added, especially when the live cds are distributed in conferences, please let me know, or please feel free to make the changes yourself. -Regards, - -Alfredo Portes - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7MKd-0005oG-6W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:12:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7MKb-0005ke-4G - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:12:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7MKY-0005fN-HY - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:12:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7MKY-0005fA-9Y - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:12:26 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7MN6-00074u-O6 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:15:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D164F3C0 - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:12:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6V1CYF4003522 - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:12:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6V1CYI0003521; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:12:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Jul 2006 03:12:34 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu - Hi, I got a new machine (64-bit) for work @@ -22576,35 +14776,10 @@ is better to let configure find the good path (people have already solved this kind of problem, we don't need to go through it again). The path should be /usr/X11R6/lib64. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7MhP-0001g6-O5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:36:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7MhO-0001fN-5g - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:36:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7MhM-0001eu-Hf - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:36:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7MhM-0001ek-7U - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:36:00 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Mju-0008Jj-P3 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:38:38 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6V1ZXKf001354; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:35:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:35:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Axiom developers' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: RE: Doyen Alfredo @@ -22665,40 +14840,11 @@ IssueTracker so that it always points to axiom-developer.org. I'll try to find a little more time tomorrow to take another look. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Mtt-0008C2-1m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Mtr-0008Bw-4F - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Mtp-0008Bj-FI - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Mtp-0008Bg-AS - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:53 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7MwO-00011l-0h - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:51:32 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6V1mXDs002934; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:26 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Gaby, @@ -22743,47 +14889,11 @@ configure for the Axiom build? Are you actively working on it? If so, do you need any help with specific parts of the build or any other issues? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7NMr-0007Cl-C6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:18:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7NMp-0007An-V1 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:18:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7NMm-00078p-NK - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:18:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7NMm-00078e-Hd - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:18:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7NPL-0003YM-Ka - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:21:27 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V2IZYs017732 - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:18:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28554 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 02:18:35 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Jul 2006 02:18:35 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6V2A7003221; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:10:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:10:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 31 Jul 2006 03:12:34 +0200) -Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Gaby, @@ -22802,45 +14912,11 @@ in src/graph/view2D/Makefile.pamphlet do: This isn't the full, correct change but it will work for your problem. The next release, which I'm working on now, should fix it fully. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7O0g-000249-Kr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:00:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7O0f-00023o-A4 - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:00:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7O0d-00023F-Mo - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:00:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7O0d-00023C-Fy - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:59:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7O3C-00064M-QX - for list; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:02:38 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V2xjYt032339 - for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:59:49 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20407 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 02:59:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Jul 2006 02:59:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6V2OQJ05468; - Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:24:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:24:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 31 Jul 2006 03:12:34 +0200) -Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu NOTE: do NOT apply this change globally as it does not work everywhere. @@ -22861,43 +14937,13 @@ in src/graph/view2D/Makefile.pamphlet do: This isn't the full, correct change but it will work for your problem. The next release, which I'm working on now, should fix it fully. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Pb2-0003Je-ET - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Paz-0003GN-Hu - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Pax-0003ED-Gf - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Pax-0003Dk-1m - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:41:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7PdX-00026B-Bo - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:44:15 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F71840E27; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:41:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6V4fgXI005749; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:41:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6V4fgTt005748; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:41:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Jul 2006 06:41:41 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -22945,46 +14991,13 @@ yes; I'm still working on it. Rather, I was still wroking on it till the last hectic month and half. But when I came back, I did resume the work. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Pcg-0004UG-S4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:43:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Pcf-0004To-LB - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:43:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Pce-0004Sw-4h - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:43:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Pcd-0004St-Vi - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:43:20 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7PfE-0002JX-Cy - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:46:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9288E4F3BC; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:43:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6V4hRlv005756; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:43:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6V4hRVa005755; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:43:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 31 Jul 2006 06:43:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu - <200607310224.k6V2OQJ05468@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Jul 2006 06:43:27 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | NOTE: do NOT apply this change globally as it does not work everywhere. @@ -22993,39 +15006,11 @@ no chance I would risk a global check in :-) Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7SkA-0005Xt-0K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:03:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Sk7-0005VA-Ct - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:03:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Sk6-0005Tn-85 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:03:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Sk6-0005Tg-2A - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:03:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Smi-0000Dg-3S - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:05:56 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6V830vH015450 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:03:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:05:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -23058,7 +15043,7 @@ Thanks Ralf On 07/30/2006 07:52 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | To find the error you need to run Latex in its normal noisy mode. Do > | @@ -23100,40 +15085,11 @@ On 07/30/2006 07:52 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: >> Error detected within library code: No identity element for reduce of empty list using operation append - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7T2e-0006BK-To - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:22:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7T2b-00067G-Ib - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:22:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7T2Z-00064a-0h - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:22:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7T2X-00063a-0a - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:22:17 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7T59-0001nv-FB - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:24:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6V8MCvH015717 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:22:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:24:43 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <44CCEEDC.70302@hemmecke.de> - <200607301810.k6UIACR20641@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 07/30/2006 08:10 PM, root wrote: > I've tried to get debian running several times without success. @@ -23182,40 +15138,11 @@ out how I did that and send you the algorithm to set it up. (I think, that you should be the maintainer of it. And nobody else would be allowed to commit to silver/trunk.) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7TKy-0001vY-0H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:41:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7TKu-0001v7-W1 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:41:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7TKs-0001ui-Vz - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:41:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7TKs-0001ue-Dn - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:41:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7TNU-0003Wy-V1 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:43:57 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6V8f9vH016051 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:41:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:43:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <200607301934.k6UJYG220669@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > So patches get collected and the Gold copy is built/tested/ported > every 2 months or so. @@ -23262,38 +15189,12 @@ fixed. It's a waste of time and might make people turn away from Axiom. For example? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7TvA-00065J-LH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:18:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Tv9-00063c-2R - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:18:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Tv3-00062N-A9 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:18:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Tv3-00062K-5O - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:18:37 -0400 -Received: from [212.27.42.28] (helo=smtp2-g19.free.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Txe-0006V4-T5 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:21:19 -0400 -Received: from melusine (pat35-1-82-231-148-189.fbx.proxad.net - [82.231.148.189]) - by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19E075BB0; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:18:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from lehobey by melusine with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) - id 1G7Tup-0001GV-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:18:23 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:18:23 +0200 -To: Axiom developers -Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: Soren Hansen +To: Axiom developers +Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu +Cc: Soren Hansen Hi, @@ -23301,7 +15202,7 @@ On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 03:12:34AM +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > and I've been trying to set up Axiom on it. It is running SuSE 10.1 > So far, I've been unsuccessful to build Axiom. The failure is at ->=20 +> > [...] > 1 linking /home/gdr/build/axiom.2006-07-30/build/mnt/linux/lib/viewman > /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so when search= @@ -23312,8 +15213,8 @@ ng for -lX11 > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[4]: *** [/home/gdr/build/axiom.2006-07-30/build/mnt/linux/lib/view= man] Error 1 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > The root of the problem is that (I suspect) Axiom has hardcoded the > path to libX11, e.g. /usr/X11R6/lib. In fact, on a 64-bit system, it > is better to let configure find the good path (people have already @@ -23321,70 +15222,36 @@ man] Error 1 > The path should be /usr/X11R6/lib64. Other people are experiencing the same kind of problem. You can find -there: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D376017 (in the -http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/axiom_ftbfs.debdiff?bug=3D37= -6017;msg=3D10;att=3D1 +there: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376017 (in the +http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/axiom_ftbfs.debdiff?bug=37= +6017;msg=10;att=1 file) the solution used by the Ubuntu people (namely Soren Hansen -). (Interesting lines are at the end of the monolithic +Soren Hansen). (Interesting lines are at the end of the monolithic patch with respect to Camm's Debian package.) -Best regards, -Fr=E9d=E9ric - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Vw3-0007tb-Cw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Vw1-0007tK-GM - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Vvz-0007su-VJ - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Vvz-0007sr-Nj - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:27:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Vye-0000Ed-36 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:30:28 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04314F3CF; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:27:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6VBRnWa011337; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:27:51 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6VBRnZl011336; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:27:49 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an - x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu - <200607310210.k6V2A7003221@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 31 Jul 2006 13:27:48 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Gaby, -|=20 +| | in src/hyper/Makefile.pamphlet do: -|=20 +| | - ${LIB}/bsdsignal.o ${LDFLAGS} ${XLIB}/libXpm.a -lX11 -lm -L${= LIB} ) | + ${LIB}/bsdsignal.o ${LDFLAGS} -l Xpm -lX11 -lm -L${LIB} ) -|=20 +| | in src/graph/view2D/Makefile.pamphlet do: -|=20 -| - -o ${OUT}/view2D ${XLIB}/libXpm.a $(LDFLAGS)=20 -| + -o ${OUT}/view2D -l Xpm $(LDFLAGS)=20 -|=20 -|=20 -|=20 +| +| - -o ${OUT}/view2D ${XLIB}/libXpm.a $(LDFLAGS) +| + -o ${OUT}/view2D -l Xpm $(LDFLAGS) +| +| +| | This isn't the full, correct change but it will work for your problem. | The next release, which I'm working on now, should fix it fully. @@ -23392,45 +15259,13 @@ Thanks Tim. The problem is with X11 lib, not with Xpm (at least I've not gotten to that point yet). The above patch does not solve the build faiilure. -I'll look at Fr=E9d=E9ric's suggestion -- but later, because of daytime job. - --- Gaby - - +I'll look at Frederric's suggestion -- but later, because of daytime job. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7W1J-0003Oa-Ux - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:33:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7W1H-0003Mt-TY - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:33:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7W1H-0003M8-4T - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:33:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7W1G-0003Ly-Sm - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:33:10 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.92.175] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7W3v-0000Zg-92 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:35:55 -0400 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so656051uge - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; - b=QbQ3WWzPkdyfi7R/At/aqEqqQRftezIz7zff/bPzR6Vjv22tIjrR9yKWhGisVJ7TvCCwKNChm/XvYeah6Aoth81isi0GOXCUyqOf3JWFrywbG2vssaavF2o+V5zfDxjwISknz3iMhA1cAoPe12FLIoJMQsKqHQowVT6rdK3qNM4= -Received: by 10.66.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr2385261ugg; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?192.168.2.101? ( [84.159.123.46]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id j2sm4453459ugf.2006.07.31.04.33.08; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:33:09 -0700 (PDT) - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:33:06 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux > I usually have just one working copy. If I come across a problem, I > fix it and try to recompile. If it works, fine. But if I should submit @@ -23458,40 +15293,11 @@ Kai PS: If this is what you've been looking for, I'll put it on the wiki. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7WIZ-00088k-FL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:51:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7WIY-00088f-73 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:51:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7WIX-00088T-8L - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:51:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7WIX-00088Q-5E - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:51:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7WLB-0002Pu-7U - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:53:45 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6VBouvH020076 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:50:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:53:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list > svn diff --diff-cmd /usr/bin/diff -x "-Naur" some.foo.pamphlet @@ -23503,45 +15309,11 @@ Yes, please. Thank you. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7XJp-0006TZ-Hp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:56:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7XJo-0006Ra-03 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:56:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7XJl-0006Ol-Kf - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:56:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7XJl-0006Oi-G7 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:56:21 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7XMQ-0000dw-I0 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:59:06 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6VCtpxs003591 - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:56:00 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18168 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 12:55:53 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 31 Jul 2006 12:55:53 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k6VCmIt00571; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:48:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:48:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 31 Jul 2006 10:05:11 +0200) Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Ralf, @@ -23557,48 +15329,11 @@ and if it succeeds then I do: and post the patch. -Tim - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Xvq-0000Zh-96 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:35:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Xvo-0000Xf-AP - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:35:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Xvm-0000Wu-Oa - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:35:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Xvm-0000Wj-GQ - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:35:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7XyR-0003xY-T1 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:38:24 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BF640E35; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:35:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6VDZeGK013444; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:35:43 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6VDZeOL013443; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:35:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 31 Jul 2006 15:35:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Jul 2006 15:35:40 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -23645,46 +15380,11 @@ of copies than having widely-tested tools do it. For those who uses SVK, I'll add a documentation later. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7YbH-0006m4-0M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:18:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7YbF-0006jU-3V - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:18:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7YbD-0006ha-C1 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:18:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7YbD-0006h9-3U - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:18:27 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.185] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Ydt-00059L-0c - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:21:13 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so472194nfc - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; - b=tQq1BC7/rUqhIJfdr+IMV+kR4+yJ6vI1S/M3K7WaPsPexAUEZb5jp2HmfYXvyU45YGS4ROofzYNZz04PJB2wOwzbn7qvPOD47Mm8ouJpTYQaI66f55feK9XAbKrALAOpDF8tSX4eYpZP8ieYeBXMAG/GC7rxj8ckN/Cup315Ko4= -Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr2090800nfg; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?192.168.2.101? ( [84.159.123.46]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27sm7634452nfa.2006.07.31.07.18.24; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT) - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> - - <44CDEF37.4000100@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:18:22 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux --Apple-Mail-2--45356570 charset=US-ASCII; @@ -23802,51 +15502,11 @@ the code. first go into the silver branch and survive public review, but the need to document properly will not be modified. ---Apple-Mail-2--45356570 - charset=US-ASCII; - format=flowed - - - ---Apple-Mail-2--45356570-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Z1E-0003JS-Q4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:45:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Z1D-0003JF-Nq - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:45:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Z1B-0003J1-3n - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:45:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Z1A-0003Iy-Ud - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:45:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Z3q-0008EI-QH - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:48:03 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6VEjDvH026384 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:45:13 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:47:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski, - axiom-dev +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> - - <44CDEF37.4000100@hemmecke.de> - <09c982f1df1e60ceaee6f33bee09afe9@gmail.com> -Cc: > I can't change the wiki page, because it keeps asking me for a > username/password. I probably have those, since I've used the wiki @@ -23864,46 +15524,11 @@ the change. (I fell into the same trap.) Could you make change the Edit page and let appear "Reason for the Change" in red? -Thanks -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Z2i-0004qq-8t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:46:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Z2f-0004o7-T4 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:46:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7Z2e-0004m8-BG - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:46:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Z2e-0004lw-5c - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:46:48 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.185] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Z5K-0008R2-Aa - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:49:34 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so475063nfc - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:46:46 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=RZLVBpLEpCrElfjTgZ2L40FsE6Kk6svJDRSFKqf6SsGjHf7r06pqczINKNmZURqdNQzDrtpqGqF0KneFIkpK3/cLfG+YWBX6tu2kdeFqGy0sMapeR2w7ZyGefh7G9QlF77wjJ+PaAio97bHO9Kc+fyshS5pYH3zjDVREKuboFyI= -Received: by 10.78.140.17 with SMTP id n17mr547376hud; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:46:46 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.11 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:46:46 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Kai Kaminski" Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> - - <44CDEF37.4000100@hemmecke.de> - <09c982f1df1e60ceaee6f33bee09afe9@gmail.com> -Cc: list Kai, @@ -23931,62 +15556,12 @@ On 7/31/06, Kai Kaminski wrote: > I also added the equivalent commands for CVS and GNU Arch version 1.3.4 > and later. Since I only have GNU Arch version 1.3.0 I couldn't test the > Arch command. It would be nice if someone else could check that. -> -> Kai -> -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ZJH-0007ZG-2g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:03:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ZJF-0007YL-3Z - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:03:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ZJE-0007Xr-8B - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:03:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7ZJD-0007Xj-Vv - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:03:56 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.235] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7ZLu-0001oB-Bm - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:06:42 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so306004wra - for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; - b=RNk4EtmmMW5VT9JJlonmTcY0HDqybkOSV80Afhd5k65U/nU+UcAn0ai8MKS+r3INg3Wjo2umQymySALZIaE0GOUve9/3vpr5/JsD24mYYe96UIBTasPFLLAodUZ1FnyGehOhpbkxdHIO5ehYuv3mPj9paTkZ+aM7RHRV6Uy/dYk= -Received: by 10.54.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr2566289wra; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?192.168.2.101? ( [84.159.123.46]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 38sm5041544wrl.2006.07.31.08.03.53; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:03:54 -0700 (PDT) - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> - - <44CDEF37.4000100@hemmecke.de> - <09c982f1df1e60ceaee6f33bee09afe9@gmail.com> - <44CE1810.2030505@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:03:51 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux >> I can't change the wiki page, because it keeps asking me for a >> username/password. I probably have those, since I've used the wiki @@ -23998,50 +15573,11 @@ Cc: axiom-dev You are right. I just fixed a typo on the same page and it worked. Thanks. -Kai - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ZYp-0003CU-Gk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:20:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ZYn-0003CI-FR - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:20:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ZYk-0003C3-UB - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:20:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7ZYk-0003C0-NV - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:19:58 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7ZbR-0003Pq-Dg - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:22:45 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8364F40D; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:19:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6VFK2hq015335; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:20:04 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6VFK2rB015334; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:20:02 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 31 Jul 2006 17:20:01 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <44CDB9B7.50506@hemmecke.de> - - <44CDEF37.4000100@hemmecke.de> - <09c982f1df1e60ceaee6f33bee09afe9@gmail.com> - <44CE1810.2030505@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Jul 2006 17:20:01 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -24060,36 +15596,11 @@ For every new session, the system repeatedly asks me to set preference before editing. Is there a way I can do that once for all and be done with it? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7cvP-0008IZ-AJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7cvN-0008F7-Eg - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7cvL-0008Dc-UD - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7cvL-0008DV-St - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:31 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7cy4-0006d3-FM - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:58:20 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6VIt5CY027274; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Kai Kaminski'" Kai Kaminski -Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:54:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux On July 31, 2006 10:18 AM Kai Kaminski > @@ -24132,36 +15643,11 @@ Wiki pages can be modified by anyone - even you. > someone else could check that. > - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7d4v-0000f8-QC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:05:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7d4t-0000dF-It - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:05:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7d4r-0000b4-Vs - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:05:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7d4r-0000aw-Sz - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:05:21 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7d7a-0007Oi-HA - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:08:10 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6VJ4vi7027206; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:05:13 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:04:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux On July 31, 2006 11:20 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -24204,39 +15690,11 @@ it, they will be retained from one session to the next. If saving cookies is disabled, then you will have to re-enter preferences each time. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dD1-0006bJ-Tg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dD1-0006bE-0R - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dCz-0006b0-F6 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7dCz-0006at-By - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:45 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7dFi-0000dO-9T - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:16:34 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6VJDNFU001683; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page -Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux On July 31, 2006 3:05 PM my email program wrote: > ... @@ -24248,48 +15706,13 @@ I was sure I told it to say "not authorized". This HTTP 401 return code is often enough to scare away a robot. But Zope does not return this error code until after an attempt to login fails. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dKZ-0006Tu-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:21:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dKX-0006Tg-TN - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:21:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dKW-0006T5-8C - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:21:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7dKW-0006T2-4l - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:21:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7dNF-0001CV-20 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:24:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AF540E27; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:21:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6VJLbJw019179; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:21:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6VJLbn9019178; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:21:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Jul 2006 21:21:37 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -24309,36 +15732,11 @@ not have been able to do those many everyday-life-thing on the web. For instance, my bugzilla account at GCC has all the stuff saved for once. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dbt-0002J0-Qi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dbs-0002Gq-65 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dbq-0002F0-Ep - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7dbq-0002Ed-6r - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7deZ-0002V8-7D - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:42:15 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6VJd1ZU016094; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:17 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:38:51 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:38:51 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On July 31, 2006 3:22 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -24373,39 +15771,11 @@ only while your browser is open, but not actually retained on disk. Only use this if you need to acess a site that requires cookies but don't want the cookies actually stored on your hard disk. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dcr-00036m-4J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:40:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dcq-00036L-Jz - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:40:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dcp-00035b-71 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:40:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7dcp-00035Y-46 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:40:27 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7dfY-0002YG-68 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:43:16 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6VJe3MY012649; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:40:17 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:56 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux Ralf, @@ -24419,40 +15789,10 @@ On July 31, 2006 10:48 AM you wrote: Done. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dgI-000832-68 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:44:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dgG-000822-PG - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:44:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7dgC-0007yD-SU - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:44:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7dgC-0007xx-Iv - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:43:56 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7div-00033V-Gr - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:46:45 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k6VJhpvH002270 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:43:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:46:21 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Editing Wiki pages On 07/31/2006 08:54 PM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -24467,35 +15807,10 @@ manager list, I wonder why I was not able to change the wiki without giving a reason. I provided my name and password and it kept popping up the password dialog. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7e1o-0008Kk-4L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:06:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7e1l-0008Ht-W0 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:06:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7e1j-0008Da-Bg - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:06:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7e1j-0008DT-8z - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:06:11 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.29] (helo=mail209.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7e4S-0004pE-I0 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:09:00 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail209.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k6VK5nrD030982; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:06:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:05:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Editing Wiki pages Ralf, @@ -24522,47 +15837,13 @@ immediately instead of depending on the 401 return code. Is this better? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7enk-0005cN-LZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7enj-0005bT-1p - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7eng-0005Zy-Pu - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7eng-0005Zq-Mq - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7eqP-0000Cs-Jg - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:58:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126DF4F3D0; - Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:55:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k6VKtkmu020525; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:55:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k6VKtkfK020524; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:55:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Jul 2006 22:55:46 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On July 31, 2006 3:22 PM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -24607,42 +15888,11 @@ As I said, it works pretty well with other websites... I checked I did not use that one -- and GCC bugzilla and many other sites would have not worked anyway. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7j7X-00065Y-7E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:32:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7j7V-00061y-AS - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:32:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7j7U-0005zS-7O - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:32:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7j7T-0005z3-UZ - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:32:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7jAG-0008B3-G5 - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:35:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B724F41D; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:32:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k711WWHI025346; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:32:34 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k711WWxM025345; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:32:32 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 Aug 2006 03:32:32 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Aug 2006 03:32:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Bill Page writes: @@ -24689,47 +15939,12 @@ to engineering, computer science -- not just Physics or Mathematics. HTH, --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7jLz-0000KG-Es - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:47:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7jLy-0000It-3l - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:47:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7jLw-0000H4-FY - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:47:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7jLw-0000Gv-CC - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:47:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7jOi-00013q-Vn - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:50:17 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EF04F3C2 - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:47:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k711lTS3025552 - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:47:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k711lTaW025551; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:47:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2006 03:47:29 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [silver] PATCH to zimmer.input - -Hi, - the patchlet below fixes a LaTeX escape issue. Tested on an i686-pc-linux-gnu. Applied. @@ -24760,33 +15975,11 @@ Applied. \eject - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7krI-0002vS-LD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:23:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7krG-0002th-3D - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:23:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7krC-0002nw-GF - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:23:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7krC-0002ng-Ag - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:23:46 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7ktz-0001Og-Vr - for list; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:26:40 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k713MxsQ016310; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:23:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:22:35 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:22:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Gaby, @@ -24949,10 +16142,3 @@ FrontPage? I would claim that computer science is clearly implied by the contents of the FrontPage even if not explicitly named. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - diff --git a/book/2006-08.txt b/book/2006-08.txt index 64a6b36..4b2646c 100644 --- a/book/2006-08.txt +++ b/book/2006-08.txt @@ -1,37 +1,10 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7m3C-0002GD-PY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:40:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7m3A-0002Fp-9v - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:40:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7m36-0002FJ-En - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:40:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7m36-0002FG-An - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:40:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7m5u-0008HR-Ce - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:43:02 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C35F40F45; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:40:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k714eBFg027723; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:40:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k714eB9I027722; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:40:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2006 06:40:11 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -238,39 +211,11 @@ happen to know one? we should be explicit about it -- it is part of "they should not dig through." :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7qt4-00015N-Jc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:50:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7qt3-00015E-JB - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:50:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7qt2-00014L-1y - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:50:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7qt1-00014I-TF - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:50:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7qvs-00052h-Us - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:53:01 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k719nsvH023508 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:49:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:52:26 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Hello Gaby, @@ -355,38 +300,10 @@ I think the "Build Axiom" entry under download is unnecessary. There should be just a link from the "AxiomSources" page to the BuildAxiom page. And the BuildAxiom page should be cleaned up a bit. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7rQ5-0004eA-80 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:24:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7rQ3-0004dC-5g - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:24:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7rQ1-0004cp-JG - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:24:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7rQ1-0004cg-E9 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:24:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7rSs-0007tF-TQ - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:27:07 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71ANsvH024468 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:23:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:26:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Subject: Build-Improvements Dear Gaby, @@ -417,37 +334,10 @@ Gaby, Antoine, Tim, could you also add a few lines to the bottom of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxAxiomSources Thank you. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7sqj-0002JS-EU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:55:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7sqi-0002Ii-0z - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:55:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7sqg-0002IJ-0b - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:55:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7sqf-0002IE-Ty - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:55:45 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7stY-0007S6-87 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:58:44 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71BthvH028618 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:55:43 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:58:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Subject: Wiki-Edit Problem Hi Bill, @@ -458,37 +348,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FAQ/editform Even if I give a reason it doesn't let me save it. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ssX-0003hN-2a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:57:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ssV-0003fg-Gt - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:57:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7ssS-0003ab-1C - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:57:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7ssR-0003aP-QR - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:57:35 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7svK-0007Yh-4S - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:00:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71BvXvH028660 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:57:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:00:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: "'axiom-developer'" - +To: list Subject: ${SRC}/scripts/Makefile Could someone explain the target @@ -506,43 +369,10 @@ ${SRC}/scripts/Makefile: ${SRC}/scripts/Makefile.pamphlet I don't see that this chunk creates src/scripts/Makefile. It's a bit weird. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7uIP-00060u-NU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:28:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7uIO-00060k-5M - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:28:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7uIK-0005yr-4k - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:28:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7uIK-0005yo-2U - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:28:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7uLD-0008Nk-FG - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:31:23 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642EC40E38; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:28:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k71DSHXk032687; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:28:19 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k71DSHD3032686; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:28:17 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <44CF2C53.5000204@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2006 15:28:16 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Build-Improvements Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -590,35 +420,10 @@ corresponding ChangeLog files. Thanks for doing this. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7uzU-0002AG-Jj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:13:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7uzT-00028o-8y - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:12:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7uzQ-00025r-7e - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:12:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7uzQ-00025c-2b - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:12:56 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7v2J-0003l8-VI - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:15:56 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k71ECUkn022820; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:12:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:12:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Wiki-Edit Problem Ralf, @@ -635,12 +440,6 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Ralf Hemmecke [mailto:Ralf Hemmecke] -> Sent: August 1, 2006 7:58 AM -> To: Bill Page -> Cc: 'axiom-developer' -> Subject: Wiki-Edit Problem -> > > Hi Bill, > @@ -649,43 +448,11 @@ Bill Page. > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FAQ/editform > > Even if I give a reason it doesn't let me save it. -> -> Ralf -> -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7vdP-0007EG-Go - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:54:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7vdO-0007Dp-6F - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:54:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7vdM-0007C4-Gu - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:54:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7vdM-0007C1-As - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:54:12 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7vgG-0006vM-C1 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:57:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71Es2cp004580 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:54:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:56:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Subject: Re: Build-Improvements Hi Gaby, @@ -724,45 +491,10 @@ SVN log? Or is this not common practice? Hope things work out fine now. The build process needs a lot of clean up. It is very hard for a human to understand the relation of the makefiles. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7vxa-0000zE-IY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:15:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7vxY-0000xu-9T - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:15:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7vxV-0000vQ-JT - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:15:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7vxV-0000vB-AP - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7w0P-0000Up-OL - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:18:02 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DC6410C3; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:14:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k71FF4ss002403; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:15:06 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k71FF4Bn002402; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:15:04 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <44CF2C53.5000204@hemmecke.de> - - <44CF6BA3.70206@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:15:04 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Build-Improvements Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -833,44 +565,10 @@ Yup. I'll commit in a moment an initial setup where I have just Ideally, I would like to see this finished before end of month -- before I point students to working on/with Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7w4R-0004U0-Ab - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:22:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7w4Q-0004Th-Ct - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:22:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7w4O-0004T3-P7 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:22:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7w4O-0004Sn-IS - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:22:08 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7w7J-000143-6g - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:25:09 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k71FLhQM003670 - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:21:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7445 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 15:21:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 1 Aug 2006 15:21:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k71FEA301589; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:14:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:14:10 -0400 From: root Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 01 Aug 2006 16:56:35 +0200) - - <44CF6BA3.70206@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Subject: Re: Build-Improvements > But is silver/trunk now identical to Tim's "gold-to-be" branch? @@ -878,36 +576,11 @@ Subject: Re: Build-Improvements I'll diff my latest with patch-49 and post the diffs. But that has to be later. I have an impressive work schedule to do first. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7wqn-0001ec-JP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:12:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7wql-0001cN-DH - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:12:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7wqi-0001Xk-Tx - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:12:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7wqi-0001XT-Ir - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:12:04 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7wtd-0005jh-MT - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:15:05 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k71GBcOd000722; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:11:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:11:30 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:11:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Gaby, @@ -970,46 +643,11 @@ Anyway, I would very much like to hear from other Axiom developers about the issue of whether it makes sense to continue to try to maintain the main Axiom web site as a Wiki. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7z9E-0001Hl-Ms - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:39:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7z9D-0001Hd-4K - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:39:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7z9C-0001HQ-2w - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:39:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7z9B-0001HN-UM - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:39:17 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.192] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7zC7-0001hY-Js - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:42:20 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so591825wxc - for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:39:15 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=AhoA2QucM1kLFu1L3lRrq/E1LtZIKOyr1wSmv7z0K9F23HXl1/9fMFHb5IEMAHmQgIo8Dw/AR4MEx52daODCenpNsbtezLyBVfzL0fARxZQZ1wuxcb23/BR9n3hHx77cCirDPUBiJAOzj2EoWjtMwPTAKAIBvxLg2WPDhg2JOZs= -Received: by 10.70.99.11 with SMTP id w11mr4988224wxb; - Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:39:15 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:39:15 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - boundary="----=_Part_43404_15182272.1154457555547" - <004101c6b585$2c77bbc0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-developer - -------=_Part_43404_15182272.1154457555547 Hello, @@ -1103,59 +741,11 @@ Also just doing a good cleaning of the wiki might be what we need. Regards Antoine Hersen -------=_Part_43404_15182272.1154457555547 - -Hello,

Summer cleaning !!!

I also think the web page is too cluttered.

There is three category of people new comers, user and contributors.

About the new comers : we are competing to get their attention and time. -

We need to be very good at it because Axiom is complex so it is not going to be an easy  sell.

For them it should be the principle of minimum surprise and maximum simplicity.
( Next  is a description of me looking at a project I might use, therefore interpret the "I want" has I really expect to see) -

If their is two column I will only read the left one.
(When we discuss the web page with Ralf today I even had forgotten about the right one I remember only the logo and was surprise to see link.)
Also I expect the "This site" to be on the top right corner. -
Our current top of the page do not make any sense, it is pure confusion to me.

Also the left menu is too long, and redundant :
 Audio/visual  audio ??? not common confusing. -
Press releases I have doubt the general press is going to be interested by us really soon.
Gold Silver , the Olympics maybe ?

What I like is a News section where I can see that a project is alive. -
( Also I like a related project link where I can see other CAS, I love it, I think it is fair play)

I want a "Description" two page long maximum with what is Axiom what is special and great about it.
-I want a screen shoot , yes sorry I always want a screen shoot even for a cmd line programs.
And then I want a Download with maybe some binary but for sure a tgz of the source.
I will grab it, type ./configure, make, make install and try. -

Then I am going to look for a good introduction. And I hate it when people give me choice I want the one and definitive introduction. I will read between 5 and 20 pages max. Any document that go over 100 pages will scare me to death. A good indicator for me is if I feel ok to print it. -
And if I survive I will look for more advanced material.

For the axiom user. We should not expect him to subscribe to the mailing list.
He will go to the web page to solve his problems and get new version.
-Here it is good FAQ, oriented tutorial, documentation and search able mail list.
Subscribing to a mailing list is a big step, we should not expect people to do it.

For active user/ contributors/ developer what is needed is a collaboration tool, I have no answer for that. -

Personally I find the wiki difficult to use, it seem a big mess to me and I spend a lot of time looking for documents I saw before and know should be somewhere. It lack structure and search will not replace that,  in general giving a name to your problem is the difficult part. -

When you look at the tree structure you see a big mess and all the bugs !

About people contribution :
I almost never find wiki useful.
Wiki as documentation is always an unpleasant mess.
I found comments useful( I think it is the MySQL documentation, it has user comments at the end of each section, you always find clarification and corner case described). -

And modifying a page is not has easy at it sound. Writing correctly is time consuming and difficult. I never feel like touching other people stuff. You can often see it in a wiki where old information is rarely deleted. -


So in the end it is a question of balance between people contribution and time saved not doing it against mess and quality.

I think a fix web page with a few editors and keeping the wiki as a play ground is the best solution. But easy to say because I am not volunteering to be an editor. -

Also just doing a good cleaning of the wiki might be what we need.

Regards
Antoine Hersen


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I think this is the "screenshots" section in many pages, which usually is the most popular to new comers.Probably more appealing screenshots are needed. -Just my 2 cents. - -Regards, - -Alfredo Portes - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7zu7-0002gA-2Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7zu5-0002fj-Am - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G7zu2-0002ey-Fv - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7zu2-0002eZ-5D - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:42 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7zwy-0006HP-HJ - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:30:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203ED4F3D6; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:27:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k71JRhnq006656; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:27:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k71JRheY006655; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:27:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 01 Aug 2006 21:27:43 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -1299,45 +854,11 @@ current setup. I don't propose you destroy eveything :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G803k-0007O9-3k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:37:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G803i-0007M5-RX - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:37:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G803g-0007Jc-UC - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:37:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G803g-0007JZ-RX - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:37:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G806d-000764-GA - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:40:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CEE4F3CE; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:37:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k71JbhV8006806; 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\ > ${DOCUMENT} ${NOISE} Makefile ; \ -> cp Makefile.dvi=20 +> cp Makefile.dvi > ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/scripts.Makefile.dvi ) ->=20 -> I don't see that this chunk creates src/scripts/Makefile.=20 +> +> I don't see that this chunk creates src/scripts/Makefile. > It's a bit weird. ->=20 +> The untangle that creates Makefile is embedded in the script -${DOCUMENT} =3D 'document'. I agree that it is a bit obscure. +${DOCUMENT} = 'document'. I agree that it is a bit obscure. Probably it should be separate. You can find 'document' in the src/scripts directory. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80hm-000341-Ru - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:19:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80hl-00032N-4y - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:19:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80hk-00031v-FF - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:19:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G80hk-00031i-CL - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:19:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G80kh-0002Yq-LF - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:22:07 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71KIucp012312 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:18:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:21:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - -Cc: axiom-developer First of all, I'd like to thank Bill for all the effort he has put into the Wiki. @@ -2148,61 +1547,30 @@ I also think we should have a mixture of pages that only a few people can edit and freely editable pages. But I strongly think that it is too early to make that distinction. We first need more people who edit at all. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80j7-0003Xu-0u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:20:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80j5-0003Xh-6T - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:20:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80j3-0003X3-R8 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:20:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G80j3-0003X0-J3 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:20:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G80m0-0002c9-Vb - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:23:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EC0CD668B2; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:20:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 34C0766A24; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:20:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:20:23 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Aca1JLNfoHhuBv7zQiGWoDEysbGwggAga3og From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:40 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > | > Important to me is that the front-page must send the message > | > that this is related to research. Yes, we have links to workshops > | > and all that. But, most importantly, links to research papers > | > related to Axiom must be clearly and unambiguously linked from > | > there -- -> |=20 +> | > | Are you aware of the Axiom bibliography on the Axiom Portal? -> |=20 +> | > | http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs ->=20 +> > Yes, I do. ->=20 +> > | Maybe this deserves a link on the Axiom Wiki FrontPage? ->=20 +> > This is precisely what I suggested in the message I sent > (yesterday I believe) to axiom-mail. @@ -2222,41 +1590,10 @@ that it had been held. Right? In this case I did happen to see your email, so I hit "pass" and it has just been distributed to the list. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80pd-0005Xq-UM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:27:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80pc-0005Xl-F9 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:27:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G80pa-0005XN-Jy - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:27:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G80pa-0005XK-E5 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:27:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G80sX-00037W-Oy - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:30:14 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71KR0cp012486 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:27:00 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:29:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly - - <44CF6BA3.70206@hemmecke.de> - <200608011514.k71FEA301589@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Subject: Re: Build-Improvements Tim, wouldn't it be easier to just put your "gold-to-be" archive as a @@ -2269,40 +1606,12 @@ On 08/01/2006 05:14 PM, root wrote: > > I'll diff my latest with patch-49 and post the diffs. > But that has to be later. I have an impressive work schedule to do first. -> -> t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G810F-0002QU-Ca - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:38:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G810D-0002NF-Io - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:38:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G810D-0002Mw-3D - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:38:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G810D-0002Mr-0K - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:38:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G813A-0003nY-8x - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:41:12 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71Kc1cp012690 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:38:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:40:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - -Cc: 'axiom-developer' > However, I find more useful to be able to work offline -- that is I > don't need to connect to the web before being able to browse the @@ -2324,38 +1633,11 @@ about axiom development is a good place to describe the building process more accurately. But that is "Further Reading" for an ordinary axiom user. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G81Ca-0001Ht-Fk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:50:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G81CZ-0001Hb-HH - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:50:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G81CX-0001Gp-3l - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:50:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G81CW-0001Gm-V3 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:50:52 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G81FU-00053P-CN - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:53:56 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71Koocp012942 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:50:50 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:53:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: ${SRC}/scripts/Makefile -Cc: axiom-developer On 08/01/2006 10:04 PM, Page, Bill wrote: > On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:00 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -2392,44 +1674,15 @@ the documentation of the "document" command.) We have a long way to go... -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G81rq-00024d-V7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:33:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G81rp-00024E-2n - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:33:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G81rm-00021k-80 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:33:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G81rm-00021g-5r - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:33:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G81uk-0007uU-7v - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:36:34 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k71LXLcp013677 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:33:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:35:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Cc: list Does that help you? I am running debian sarge. I don't see a ./config file in that directory. -Ralf - woodpecker:~/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements>uname -a Linux woodpecker 2.6.11-rc4 #3 Thu Feb 23 14:31:45 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux woodpecker:~/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements>autoconf configure.ac @@ -2437,61 +1690,32 @@ woodpecker:~/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements>autoconf configure.ac woodpecker:~/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements>./configure configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in config ./config - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8274-0007WF-PD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:49:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8273-0007Ux-GG - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:49:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8272-0007Ul-Sh - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:49:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8272-0007Ui-MA - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:49:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G82A0-0000pT-RM - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:52:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8BC97677CC; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:49:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D6181677C0; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:49:14 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:49:13 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Thread-Index: Aca1o8iup/k/mOrUQlSow6vnEsnscwADqaXg From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion Gaby, On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:50 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Instead of fiddling at infinitum with the new build machinery on > my local disk. I decided to trim it down to something "simple" to > request feedback about some aspects of the work. ->=20 +> > The core goal is to move Axiom's build system to GNU Autotools > which have become quite standard now, in the Unix-world. Yes! ++1 ->=20 +> > For that I've converted the current configure file to > configure.ac (which Autoconf will use to regenerate configure). > The main motivation here is factor out many platforms variability > issues and dump them on Autoconf -- who already knows how to solve > them. ->=20 +> > Axiom has the requirement that the source files must be > literate -- use of pamphlet files. Autoconf expects its input to > be in particular form. Furthermore, the pamphlet file requirement @@ -2517,68 +1741,35 @@ business of re-distributing noweb. > So, in its current form, I put the literate stuff in comments, so > that if you do ->=20 +> > cat configure.ac | sed -e 's/^## //' > configure.tex ->=20 +> > you can an almost LaTeX file. "Almost" because LaTeX commands need > to start with a backslash. That character used to be reserved for > line continuation in shell world. So to avoid any surprise, I used -> the percent character (which unfortunately is LaTeX comment=20 +> the percent character (which unfortunately is LaTeX comment > character). So to get the LaTeX document, one needs to apply another > sed that replaces the percent character with the backslash character. ->=20 +> > I've tested that I can feed the file to Autoconf, get a configure > file out of it and launch a successful build. ->=20 +> > This work is being done on the "build-improvements" branch -- and it > has not been committed there yet. ->=20 +> > Before painting myself into a corner, I would like to have feedbacks > from all y'all. ->=20 +> All this looks like a horrible hack to me - unless I am missing something fairly basic. What is wrong with the usual way of using noweb? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G828J-0008K2-Ja - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:50:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G828H-0008In-VZ - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:50:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G828F-0008HQ-8y - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:50:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G828F-0008HH-3r - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:50:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G82BD-0000ul-Br - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:53:35 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3344F3A4; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:50:16 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k71LoXSt009077; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:50:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k71LoXfT009076; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:50:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 Aug 2006 23:50:33 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44CFC93B.1020007@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Aug 2006 23:50:33 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -2593,45 +1784,14 @@ Are you comfortable with the approach of my ad-hoc approach to literacy here that is not mainstream Axiom not ALLPROSE? What would you suggest? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G82Zi-0006It-7d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:18:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G82Zg-0006Ig-GB - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:18:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G82Zg-0006IU-0i - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:18:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G82Zf-0006IR-Pg - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:18:51 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G82ce-0003OX-AS - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:21:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 26147678DB; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4934266FDF; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:18:51 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Aca1T+YiKzb511QlT2enIXxpr1JcwwAYD0WA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:52 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > See > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxAxiomSources > and tell me what you think. @@ -2643,18 +1803,18 @@ Thanks Ralf. I think this draft looks great! What did you have in mind? Table of Contents for the contents of the page or something more inclusive? -=20 + > (4) Browse sources online -> That should be something like the "Online Source" that=20 +> That should be something like the "Online Source" that > currently exists. > But if you press "Online sources" currently it leads to > =09 > /mathaction/axiom--test--1/ ->=20 -> I know it is irrelevant, but the "test" in the name is=20 +> +> I know it is irrelevant, but the "test" in the name is > misleading. The page > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/FrontPage -> (and archive) should rather be called "Axiom-Stable". Yes,=20 +> (and archive) should rather be called "Axiom-Stable". Yes, > not the same naming conventions as the tla archive. Bill, > if you could write on top of that page that people are browsing > the latest stable release, that would be wonderful. @@ -2723,51 +1883,19 @@ one of these instead of to 'axiom--test--1'. But of course these browsers do not allow online update of the source code. ->=20 -> I think the "Build Axiom" entry under download is unnecessary. There=20 -> should be just a link from the "AxiomSources" page to the BuildAxiom=20 +> +> I think the "Build Axiom" entry under download is unnecessary. There +> should be just a link from the "AxiomSources" page to the BuildAxiom > page. And the BuildAxiom page should be cleaned up a bit. ->=20 +> That sounds good to me. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G833G-0001kx-QD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:49:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G833F-0001kg-Kk - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:49:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G833D-0001jW-0J - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:49:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G833C-0001j8-JL - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:49:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G836B-0005MG-2d - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:52:27 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3734F3C9; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:49:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k71MnOqs009647; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:49:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k71MnOeM009646; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:49:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:49:23 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 00:49:23 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -2878,37 +2006,11 @@ We need For the long term, all Makefiles should be generated at configure time. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G83S8-0004x9-L2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G83S7-0004wO-1X - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G83S6-0004vX-9Q - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G83S5-0004vU-VD - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:05 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.36] (helo=eastrmmtao03.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G83V5-0007PW-6v - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:18:11 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmmtao03.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id - <20060801231458.KUHG23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net> - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:14:58 -0400 -From: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp +Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:26:53 -0400 +From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:26:53 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" On Tuesday 01 August 2006 12:11 pm, Bill Page wrote: > Contrary to the intent of the wiki, it @@ -3011,37 +2113,11 @@ have a tremendous respect Bill for the work you have done, which has produced the best online mathematics website I have seen to date, and I don't know if my much less informed opinions are of use. -Cheers, -Cliff - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G83SA-0004yP-OR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G83S8-0004xJ-PA - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G83S7-0004wj-UO - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G83S7-0004wf-RJ - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:15:07 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.36] (helo=eastrmmtao03.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G83V7-0007Pd-0Y - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:18:13 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmmtao03.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id - <20060801231506.KUNH23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net> - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:15:06 -0400 -From: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp +Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:36:29 -0400 +From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:36:29 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" On Monday 31 July 2006 11:22 pm, Bill Page wrote: @@ -3091,43 +2167,11 @@ different arrangement for the downloading information (guess that's not exactly front page though.) I'll try and work on it some tonight and come up with a more concrete suggestion. -Cheers, -Cliff - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G84Az-0002Lo-Jq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:01:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G84Ax-0002Ii-C4 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:01:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G84Aw-0002IW-LW - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:01:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G84Aw-0002IT-Dh - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:01:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G84Dv-0003kn-Lp - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:04:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2DF7267E46; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:01:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D755567E05; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:01:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:01:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Aca1mmoCeGlcuXPVTZa32cNKHp3SjwAH7Rxg From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:39 PM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -3145,7 +2189,7 @@ Do you think this means we should really have three different web sites? > About the new comers : we are competing to get their attention -> and time.=20 +> and time. > > We need to be very good at it because Axiom is complex so it > is not going to be an easy sell. @@ -3171,7 +2215,7 @@ Axiom. > ( Next is a description of me looking at a project I might > use, therefore interpret the "I want" has I really expect to -> see)=20 +> see) > > If their is two column I will only read the left one. > (When we discuss the web page with Ralf today I even had @@ -3183,7 +2227,7 @@ you read the newpaper and computer magazines? ;) I admit that I also am very selective about what I read on a web page, but not that selective... -> Also I expect the "This site" to be on the top right corner.=20 +> Also I expect the "This site" to be on the top right corner. > Our current top of the page do not make any sense, it is pure > confusion to me. @@ -3191,7 +2235,7 @@ Do you mean the line: home contents changes issues preferences help +/- full/simple/minimal navigator subscribe backlinks diff edit - (external edit icon)=20 + (external edit icon) It is obvious, isn't it? that this is the top menu bar similar to what you see on almost all window applications? @@ -3286,7 +2330,7 @@ I think. Perhaps you would be willing to create a draft? Maybe we can try to write such an introduction in a collaborative way? -> A good indicator for me is if I feel ok to print it.=20 +> A good indicator for me is if I feel ok to print it. > And if I survive I will look for more advanced material. =09 > For the axiom user. We should not expect him to subscribe to @@ -3331,7 +2375,7 @@ difficult to use. I wonder what you have in mind when you say "collaboration"? > It lack structure and search will not replace that, in general -> giving a name to your problem is the difficult part.=20 +> giving a name to your problem is the difficult part. Of course there are alternatives to search such as the Site Map and Site Index links on the right sidebar. But I agree in general @@ -3385,14 +2429,14 @@ specific to documentation done via a wiki? > I found comments useful( I think it is the MySQL documentation, > it has user comments at the end of each section, you always -> find clarification and corner case described).=20 +> find clarification and corner case described). Is this not like what you see on the current Axiom Wiki? > And modifying a page is not has easy at it sound. Writing > correctly is time consuming and difficult. I never feel like > touching other people stuff. You can often see it in a wiki -> where old information is rarely deleted.=20 +> where old information is rarely deleted. This is just an attitude that can be changed by experience isn't it? @@ -3423,43 +2467,11 @@ the web site that can be linked into a more useful structure? Thanks again for all you comments. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G84mk-0004LT-Hg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:40:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G84mi-0004LB-Ud - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:40:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G84mh-0004Kz-RZ - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:40:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G84mh-0004Kw-OE - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:40:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G84ph-0007Aj-KT - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:43:33 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688134F3C3; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 02:40:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k720eTJD011221; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 02:40:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k720eTDT011220; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 02:40:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 02:40:28 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 02:40:28 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Bill Page writes: @@ -3511,37 +2523,11 @@ selective reading they have :-/ I would put that under the heading/page "News". --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86Cy-0003xF-LC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:11:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86Cw-0003wY-S1 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:11:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86Cw-0003wH-6w - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:11:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G86Cw-0003wC-3f - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:11:38 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.37] (helo=eastrmmtao02.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G86Fw-0005oD-Tk - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:14:45 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmmtao02.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id - <20060802021136.CXIO2018.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net> - for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:11:36 -0400 -From: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp +Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:11:51 -0400 +From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:11:51 -0400 - - charset="iso-8859-1" On Tuesday 01 August 2006 6:49 pm, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -3664,44 +2650,11 @@ acceptable. Agreed. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86vb-0006rh-Fh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:57:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86vZ-0006q1-Jy - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:57:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86vW-0006or-Fc - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:57:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G86vW-0006oo-AG - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:57:42 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.199] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G86yW-0004jL-T3 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:00:49 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so684035wxc - for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=JIriyKOgqqAU6S2AecJcGsdmQvI/+9U4XOOoofORmn7RR/fGpzqHbjr++g5oEhtbdkRhxkZAg871+v2k8fNepuhxH363tCHXSzSgfF8IQP7N+v/ugbOnq61yyZgOok8QWN4IjvZqu4qUVXTHBoJRvrZCG6oHJxH4VI9gc0VfwEw= -Received: by 10.70.68.11 with SMTP id q11mr559172wxa; - Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 04:57:40 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - boundary="----=_Part_47318_28964950.1154487460513" - -Cc: axiom-developer - -------=_Part_47318_28964950.1154487460513 Disclaimer all the use of the word "I want" are to be interpreted as an expression of a wish based on personal taste. @@ -4143,159 +3096,13 @@ When you say "all the bugs" do you mean the issue tracker pages? That will be very nice indeed, do you think it can be easily done ? -Regards, -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_47318_28964950.1154487460513 - -Disclaimer all the use of the word "I want" are to be interpreted as an expression of a wish based on personal taste.
A wish because if I wanted it so badly I will have done it myself.
And personal taste because I will be happy to argue. -

> Summer cleaning !!!

When it's this hot I'd rather be in an air conditioned office -
in front of my computer... just call me Canadian. :-)

Yhea I did not wanted to push the issue to spring thats all ;)

-> I also think the web page is too cluttered.

> There is three category of people new comers, user and
> contributors.

Do you think this means we should really have three different
web sites?
-

No but those group have different needs that have to be serve by the same web page. 

-> About the new comers : we are competing to get their attention
> and time. -
>
> We need to be very good at it because Axiom is complex so it
> is not going to be an easy sell.
>
> For them it should be the principle of minimum surprise and
> maximum simplicity. -

Hmmm... exactly what is it that we are trying to sell? :)

We want people time, first we want people to use Axiom and then we want people to work on Axiom.

-Do you not feel that this might be quite misleading to such
new comers? After all, I do not think either of these
principles apply to Axiom - and some of the reason for this
depends on design choices that are specific to Axiom. I mean -
specifically Axiom's type system.

I was thinking mainly about - the web page.
But it is true that axiom has a lot of complicated ideas and we should be clear -about their respective advantages.

People tend to use the simplest tool possible for their problem( not a bad idea in general) become familiar with it and use it more and more, at what point even if the tool is not a good fit anymore people dont know or dont see the advantage of learning a new tool that will be seen has more complex. -

And I think Axiom fit in the heavy tool category.

I think this means that right up front we have to admit to -
ourselves that Axiom may not have much appeal to most new
comers. But perhaps there is a class of "new comers" consisting
of experianced computer algebra users who have not had previous
exposure to Axiom. I think it is these people who might be most -
receptive to the reasons why things are done "differently" in
Axiom.

The problem is those new comers are not "fresh" any more.
If you have been using MMA for some time, you need a good enough reason to abandon all your experience and change tool. -

So we need a sell speech !!!!!!

Also another category of user is people looking for a general CAS that is open source, and even if those user may lack "sophistication" initially I think we should still try to be attractive to them and offer support. -


> ( Next is a description of me looking at a project I might
> use, therefore interpret the "I want" has I really expect to -
> see)
>
> If their is two column I will only read the left one.
> (When we discuss the web page with Ralf today I even had
> forgotten -about the right one I remember only the logo and
> was surprise to see link.)

Wow! That seems like a big admission to me. Is that also how
you read the newpaper and computer magazines? ;) I admit that -
I also am very selective about what I read on a web page, but
not that selective... -

Dead tree ???? I like only shiny moving picture where every thing comes in 30 second chunk. Honestly I read a lot of books and magazine, even newspaper when I am off the grid.

But I want to be able to scan rapidly a web page and find what might be of interest to me. -


> Also I expect the "This site" to be on the top right corner. -
> Our current top of the page do not make any sense, it is pure
> confusion to me.

Do you mean the line:

home contents changes issues preferences help  +/-
  full/simple/minimal navigator  subscribe backlinks diff edit -
    (external edit icon)

It is obvious, isn't it? that this is the top menu bar similar
to what you see on almost all window applications?

Surely some of these menu items must also be obvious to you?
-E.g. 'home', 'help', 'edit' etc.

Could you say exactly what you find confusing? Keeping in
mind that this is a wiki web site, could you suggest how we
can make it less confusing?

I honestly find this top bar terrible. -
The top of the page a very expansive piece of estate.
Look at the wikipedia one, as simple as possible.

I understand it is surely the wiki default and will be difficult to change but still.

+/- ? does not work for me I imagine that it change the font size, I know how to do that on my browser and I do not expect a web site to do this for me. -

contents  -ok
changes ? history ?
issues    ? discussion ?
-preferences ok if I am log
help - - - - - ? with ?
- -full/ -simple/ -minimal this one is supper scary
navigator  - -is that content version terminator ?
 - - - -subscribe maybe only if I click on edit ? not sure -
backlinks -this one will be better at the bottom
diff - - - -so what was change ?

One way, maybe, would be to completely hide that fact that this -
is a wiki page by removing the top menu bar on the FrontPage.

For the front page I think it will be nicer especially as people can not edit it.

-> Also the left menu is too long, and redundant :
> Audio/visual <http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomScreenCast>
> audio ??? not common confusing. -

Really? Many web sites use audio, especially ScreenCasts.

I dont know about screen cast( I do but dont tell), also audio + CAS makes weird connection in my brain.

What about :

Screenshots/Video -

> Press releases < -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/PressReleases>
> I have doubt the general press is going to be interested by us
> really soon.

I have in mind more specific "press" such as computer magazines -
and online "news" sources such as SlashDot etc. Maybe the name
"press releases" is a bit misleading?

./ is meta content.
But computer magazine is a good idea, especially all those LinuxSomething but we will need to send them press release not wait for them to come. -

> Gold Silver , the Olympics maybe ?

> What I like is a News section where I can see that a project is -
> alive.

Right now the best place for this is "changes" on the main menu
bar that you said was confusing to you but it is also in the
right sidebar as Whats New under This Site.
-
Right side does not exist for me remember :)
New should be in the 1st five on the left.

-It would be nice to have a nicely formatted wiki page specifically
for this purpose but then we would need someone willing to keep it
up to date.

> (Also I like a related project link where I can see other CAS, -
> I love it, I think it is fair play)

Do you mean expand the Related Sites box on the right sidebar?

-> I want a "Description" two page long maximum with what is Axiom
> what is special and great -about it.

Do you mean something like

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/ -AboutAxiom

which is already accessible from several links on the current
FrontPage?

The axiom link in the central description I never clicked on it, I will have no idea where it will lead me. -

I think there should be a clear About it the top 3 on the left side.

> I want a screen shoot , yes sorry I always want a screen shoot -
> even for a cmd line programs.

I wonder why it did not seem obvious to you to click "Audio/visual"?
Could you suggest a change of wording that would have made this
more obvious?
-

Audio/visual seem weird to me, I will expected this from an artist web page.

-I am trying hard here not to appear defensive or
critical.

I am exaggerating a lot my critics.

-I am serious that we badly need suggestions on how
to word things so that the purpose is obvious on first reading.
I know that this might be difficult to achieve for all people
reading this web site from around the world, but we should at -
least try.

Yes sadly first impression is critical. 

Right now the only static screen shots that we have are for -
Axiom with TeXmacs.

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Screenshots

It would be great if someone could take the time to contribute
a few more.
-

Martin had some nice one I think.

> And then I want a Download with maybe some binary but for sure -
> a tgz of the source. I will grab it, type ./configure, make,
> make install and try.

The 'Download' link on the FrontPage does lead quite quickly
to binary and source code tgz. How can we improve that? -

That is something I have been talking about with a friend. There is two things actually.
The subsection in the left menu  do not show as such they should be a bit decalled or have some small bullet point. -

And all the four title do not feel has link because every think you might expect from them is detailed bellow.

I am not sure I am clear on this one.

Maybe we could give a try to this for a few day get rid of them no big Documentation/Discussion/... the color should carry enough information. -

And download should be above discussion.

Also testing does not convey best the idea of trying, and it should be "online try" to emphasize it is not some sort of demo/download.

What about I give it a try : -

About
News
Documentation
FAQ
Screenshots/Video
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Online try
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I am not sure about bib -
On the left just the logo without colored frame around them.
- Stats on the bottom

News should be able to fit in the front page.

And most important Axiom completely lack visual identity !!!
I am not suggesting that we change the logo, I like it ok, but it should be made larger. -
Almost banner size with a catch phrase.


> Then I am going to look for a good introduction. And I hate -
> it when people give me choice I want the one and definitive
> introduction. I will read between 5 and 20 pages max. Any
> document that go over 100 pages will scare me to death.

I have to agree that we lack a good introduction. But "the one -
and definitive introduction" is rather hard to write for Axiom
I think. Perhaps you would be willing to create a draft? Maybe
we can try to write such an introduction in a collaborative
way?
-

Cant I just criticize it ? I will have a lot of free time in a month I will give it a try.

-> A good indicator for me is if I feel ok to print it.
> And if I survive I will look for more advanced material.

> For the axiom user. We should not expect him to subscribe to
> the mailing list. -

I find that a rather surprising statement. As a user of new
open source software that is one of the first things that I
expect to have to do. One of the things that people repeatedly
claim for open source software is that the email lists of most -
open source projects is a much better source of help and
information that any traditional help resource for commercial
software.

Send a mail maybe, subscribe I doubt so, do you subscribe to -X.org ? bash ? apache ? gcc ? perl ? and so on

> He will go to the web page to solve his problems and get new -
> version. Here it is good FAQ, oriented tutorial, documentation
> and search able mail list. Subscribing to a mailing list is a
> big step, we should not expect people to do it.

I agree that the current Axiom tutorial information could be -
much better organized. Do you have any suggestions about how
to do this? -

I havent think about it much yet sorry.
What I personally like is programming tutorial for programmer.

-On the Axiom Wiki it is also possible for users to "subscribe"
to specific web pages. Did you notice the word 'subscribe' in
the top menu line? This allows people to automatically receive
notices of new or changed web pages without having to subscribe -
to the email list. Do you think this is a useful feature?

No I hate it, getting a mail when somebody correct some spelling mistake.
And worse of all it is opt out !!! ( I think)

What I like is a release mailing list, when I get at maximum every 3 month a mail telling me about a new version or some special events. He has to be very low traffic. -


> For active user/ contributors/ developer what is needed is a
> collaboration tool, I have no answer for that. -

Axiom Wiki? Or do you mean that what we have now does work as
a collaboration tool?

I mean online collaboration tools in general is a very difficult subject, and I dont even have very good questions about it. -

> Personally I find the wiki difficult to use, it seem a big mess
> to me and I spend a lot of time looking for documents I saw -
> before and know should be somewhere.

I am surprised that you say "what is needed is a collaboration
tool" and then you say immediately after that you find the wiki
difficult to use. I wonder what you have in mind when you say -
"collaboration"?

A wiki with a better organisation ;)

-> It lack structure and search will not replace that, in general
> giving a name to your problem is the difficult part.

Of course there are alternatives to search such as the Site Map
and Site Index links on the right sidebar. But I agree in general -
that the structure of the web pages on the Axiom Wiki web site
could be improved.

I did try to make some progress toward improving this structure
by introducing the new Up/Down navigation links on the left side -
of each page (except FrontPage). My intention is to make the
structure of the pages more obvious and more useful for "navigating"
(i.e. manually searching) through the web site. Do you think that
is useful? -

Yes, a nice tree, where every think is accessible from the 1st page in some meaning full way( easy to say).

-> When you look at the tree structure you see a big mess and all
> the bugs !

Well, it is not really a tree structure. Each page can be linked
to several pages both "up" and "down". So it is really a lattice -
(to a mathematician) or an ontology (to at least one branch of
computer science).

I want a spanning tree.

-When you say "all the bugs" do you mean the issue tracker pages?
These to not appear in most of the links on the left sidebar.
Or do you mean when you look it the overall structure under
'contents'? Because we have over 300 such issue reports ( -about
the same number as all other contents of the web site), these
do tend to dominate any listing of contents. Perhaps we need a -
way to suppress these from the main contents list and only
show them on a more detailed contents list?

That will be very nice indeed, do you think it can be easily done ?

Regards,
-Antoine Hersen

- -------=_Part_47318_28964950.1154487460513-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86zj-0001PB-Bz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:02:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86zi-0001Oe-8Z - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:02:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G86zg-0001OS-NU - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:02:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G86zg-0001OP-Hl - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:02:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G872h-00050G-Fl - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:05:07 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643FD4F3C3; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:01:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72321Hg011973; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:02:03 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72321Fx011972; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:02:01 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - - <200608012211.51434.Cliff Yapp> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:02:01 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp writes: +Cliff Yapp writes: | On Tuesday 01 August 2006 6:49 pm, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | @@ -4436,46 +3243,13 @@ everybody knows that. The issue is whether it must be noweb. I think "no". But, I do understand your view. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G878Z-000575-HA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:11:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G878X-00055R-Tl - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:11:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G878W-00052y-15 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:11:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G878V-00052m-Rh - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:11:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G87BX-00060r-7O - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:14:15 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A789440F05; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:11:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k723B9u3012034; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:11:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k723B93v012033; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:11:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:11:09 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -"Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen writes: +Antoine Hersen writes: [...] @@ -4515,48 +3289,17 @@ I like it. we need to have a link to research papers from the frontpage. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87Hj-0001zq-I6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:20:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87Hi-0001wg-2x - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:20:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87Hf-0001vO-FA - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:20:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G87Hf-0001vL-Bn - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:20:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G87Kg-0006Y1-Sb - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:23:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BCBB967FD4; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:20:34 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8002B67D33; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:20:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:20:30 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Thread-Index: Aca12RfENL0nFumqRIqUIVBen/eoeQAAqN8g From: Bill Page -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:12 PM Cliff Yapp wrote: > ... > I thought it would end up like this: ->=20 -> 1) Have configure.ac and configure.ac.pamphlet both present=20 +> +> 1) Have configure.ac and configure.ac.pamphlet both present > in the top level directory. configure.ac.pamphlet is where > editing is done, and when a commit is made (for this one file) > a configure.ac file is also committed @@ -4573,8 +3316,8 @@ As I understand it configure.ac would only be necessary in order to generate a new 'configure' file and this would normally only be done by an ambitious developer *after* they had successfully installed Axiom at least once. -=20 -> 2) Extracting the documentation out of configure.ac.pamphlet=20 + +> 2) Extracting the documentation out of configure.ac.pamphlet > would require the use of the notangle command ... > @@ -4587,9 +3330,9 @@ build process. The possibility of using some other literate programming tool besides noweb is an interesting issue, but I think we should agree that it is beyond the scope of the work. -=20 -> ...=20 -> I don't think we should fear a couple of non-pamphlet files=20 + +> ... +> I don't think we should fear a couple of non-pamphlet files > being present in the top level directory - indeed, it will > simplify matters considerably from the user standpoint. @@ -4627,9 +3370,9 @@ To be nice to new developers we might want to provide to automate this process. ->=20 +> > I would suggest the minimal (and maybe maximal) set of: ->=20 +> > README > configure.ac > buildaxiom.sh @@ -4652,43 +3395,11 @@ if the Makefile.in files were present on each sub-directory of the distribution. But as usual it is just the pamphlet files that would be edited. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87fW-0003dX-7M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:45:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87fU-0003dE-F3 - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:45:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87fS-0003c4-2A - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:45:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G87fR-0003c1-Ti - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:45:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G87iT-00088m-JK - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:48:17 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8E340F59; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:45:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k723jBxi012926; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:45:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k723jBJp012925; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:45:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:45:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:45:11 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -4752,50 +3463,19 @@ When we move (later) to Automake, we will have which is standard, and offered by Automake for free. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87j2-0004mJ-Q0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:48:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87j1-0004mE-SZ - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:48:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87iz-0004m2-CX - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:48:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G87iz-0004lz-7y - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:48:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G87m0-0000Cd-UB - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:51:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 63C7067FD4; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:48:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9C0E367CD9; - Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:48:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:48:48 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Thread-Index: Aca14B2FkicHdUtcQkmoUZdE3kb8tQABND+w From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion Gaby, On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:02 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I'm not a windows developer, so I'll leave the windows stuff > to others (hi Bill). ->=20 +> The windows build uses MSYS/MingGW so there is not much difference from the usual linux build process. All of the @@ -4812,48 +3492,12 @@ interested in taking on the task? I am available to help but not to lead the effort. And of course there is a chance that we might be able to get Mike involved again. :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87k8-000535-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:50:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87k7-00052p-5b - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:49:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G87k5-00052d-Qp - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:49:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G87k5-00052a-No - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:49:57 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G87n7-0000Jg-ED - for list; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:53:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9449840E35; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:49:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k723nxVs013028; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:50:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k723nxs0013027; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:49:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Aug 2006 05:49:59 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: [silver] you patch - Hi Ralf, I've tested you patches to fix build issues. They are merged to the @@ -4861,93 +3505,30 @@ silver branch as revision 78. Many thanks. Now, I'll move in the configure stuff. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G88Bs-0000Hu-Uo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:18:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G88Bq-0000HS-9T - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:18:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G88Bl-0000Ge-Ka - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:18:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G88Bl-0000Gb-GX - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:18:33 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G88Em-000233-JU - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:21:41 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k724IFDw001594 - for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:18:19 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13412 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2006 04:18:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.219]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 2 Aug 2006 04:18:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k724AZL01912; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:10:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:10:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Cc: list Bill, Do you have an up-to-date set of sources from which you can build the windows image? 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Are they someplace I can get at them? ->=20 +> Up-to-date? No, only the originals in the arch axiom--windows--1 branch and the same sources in darcs - both dated about Tue, @@ -4965,56 +3546,20 @@ be included in order to compile SPAD code and how to use NSYS to build the actualy binary distribution for windows. If anyone gets that far, I can help fill in these gaps. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - -=20 - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Auw-00071s-QY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:13:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Auu-0006zL-Ag - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:13:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Aut-0006yY-LS - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:13:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Aut-0006yF-3S - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:13:19 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Axw-00061h-Qh - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:16:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 72A00683C2; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 03:13:18 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4011B681B6; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 03:13:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 03:13:16 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Be Bold (was: Front page esthetic) -Thread-Index: Aca1p85RwUm41w4ETl25aUnrjkQqkQAVqaDg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Be Bold (was: Front page esthetic) On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:22 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 -> First of all, I'd like to thank Bill for all the effort he=20 +> ... +> First of all, I'd like to thank Bill for all the effort he > has put into the Wiki. You are welcome. :-) ->=20 +> > In some points I must, however, agree with Antoine. The current > Wiki currently is a bit of a mess. There are only a few pages > that are of real value. @@ -5027,17 +3572,17 @@ of course what is of value to you now changes over time as you become more experienced. > You know, when I started I had hard times to find my way -> through the information that I was looking for and even now I=20 +> through the information that I was looking for and even now I > don't find things that I am looking for in a few clicks. > Everytime this happens to you it might be a great benefit to others if you could note this quickly some where on the web site. I good place to do this might be on the FAQ page. -=20 + > Until somebody posted the BeBold principle to the mailing list > I was always hesitating not to edit/delete too much of the existing -> information, but surely that slowed down improvements to the=20 +> information, but surely that slowed down improvements to the > wiki. Now I am a bit bolder, but it is still hard. Here is my adapted version of the Wikipedia 'Be Bold' principle. @@ -5048,8 +3593,8 @@ I hope people will take the time to practice being bold by correcting and extending this statement. Then we could advertise that is it also official our policy. ->=20 -> If I look now at some pages, I would rather like to see that=20 +> +> If I look now at some pages, I would rather like to see that > information organised in a different way, but different from a > text in a text-editor, I cannot simply drag & drop text from > one page to another. Well, I should have open several browser @@ -5058,7 +3603,7 @@ that is it also official our policy. It is also possible to use emacs as an external page editor. Perhaps some people would find this more convenient. ->=20 +> > What is also important is some more structure of the wiki. I am > personally used to linear text with sections and subsections, > ie, some kind of hierarchy. We should have a number of standard @@ -5071,7 +3616,7 @@ evolving in this direction ever since Martin Rubey's first efforts improve the organization of the Axiom Wiki web site. Suggestions on what these "standard pages" should be would be most welcome. -=20 + > Bill, what I would like to see on top of an edit page is a > link to BeBold. Furthermore, it should be said that the first > paragraph of the page is a kind of abstract that is used for @@ -5081,8 +3626,8 @@ most welcome. I am willing to add such a link to the edit page once we agree on the draft in SandBoxBeBold. ->=20 -> Actually, I would also like to have some facility that let's=20 +> +> Actually, I would also like to have some facility that let's > me move the pages in the tree structure of the wiki. Best > would be to see the tree and take my mouse to move pages in > the hierarchy. @@ -5107,11 +3652,11 @@ and below (DOWN) the current page. In general, clicking on links in the UP section leads to more general topics, while clicking links in the DOWN section leads to more detailed topics. -> ...=20 +> ... > > Then I am going to look for a good introduction. And I hate it > > when people give me choice I want the one and definitive > > introduction. ->=20 +> > I think we should take this consideration seriously. Currently > "Tutorial" links to "AxiomInterface" (very intuitive!) and gives > not a tutorial. @@ -5122,27 +3667,27 @@ to Axiom itself. > I rather think that we should maybe give a weighted list of > introductory material. ->=20 +> > http://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial ->=20 +> > The above tutorial looks quite reasonable to me. The tutorial > page should not be like a sandbox were everyone just adds > his/her commands. ->=20 -> I hate everything on=20 +> +> I hate everything on > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomInterface that > comes after the "That was easy!". It should go away, because > it looks unprofessional. I agree. Be Bold! -> ...=20 +> ... > > And modifying a page is not has easy at it sound. Writing > > correctly is time consuming and difficult. I never feel like > > touching other people stuff. You can often see it in a wiki > > where old information is rarely deleted. ->=20 -> I also felt like it. We all know that we can unroll changes,=20 +> +> I also felt like it. We all know that we can unroll changes, > but what I don't know is, whether everyone can do it. Yes. Just click 'diff' on the top line. @@ -5158,46 +3703,14 @@ Ok, but I would like a design that does not involve adding too much more text to the edit-page. Maybe just another link to some specific help page? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8B73-0005VE-GP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:25:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8B71-0005V5-Du - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:25:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8B6z-0005UV-PM - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:25:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8B6z-0005US-Lm - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:25:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8BA3-0006zG-FO - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:28:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BC60867BA2; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C18A567AE0; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 03:25:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 03:25:48 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Aca1n70CoS9pUfHtRMCG+tvuUKtG1gAY6jNg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic On Tuesday, August 01, 2006 3:21 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: ->=20 +> > I do not know what was the first expectation with the Wiki. The MathAction web site (consisting of Axiom Wiki and Axiom @@ -5222,39 +3735,11 @@ people to also participate on the Axiom Wiki by allowing them to first experiment and practicing on the own computer by just booting the DoyenCD (or virtual machine). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8BEf-0008B7-Pu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:33:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8BEd-0008A9-VT - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:33:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8BEa-000887-LD - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:33:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8BEa-00087x-FJ - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:33:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8BHe-0007Zh-7C - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:36:50 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k727XUcp028125 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:33:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:36:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: axiom-developer >> (Could one have a table of contents at the top of that page?) @@ -5352,38 +3837,11 @@ However http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionRepository is read-only, so http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/FrontPage is superior, since it allows contributions. We just have to make it obvious. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Bjc-0006wT-AB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:05:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8BjY-0006up-NS - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:05:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8BjW-0006uJ-7o - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:05:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8BjV-0006u6-SJ - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:05:37 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8BmZ-0001XS-RE - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:08:48 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7285Ycp029138 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:05:34 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:08:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: axiom-developer >> When you look at the tree structure you see a big mess and all >> the bugs ! @@ -5410,37 +3868,10 @@ TOC is good. Basically, it sounds like the LEO idea, but I don't see a tool on the wiki that easily lets me combine pages into a new structure. My mouse is currently completely useless for such things. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8C8P-0001PR-5I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:31:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8C8L-0001M0-Uh - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:31:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8C8K-0001Jz-AB - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:31:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8C8K-0001Jw-4D - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:31:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8CBO-0003dJ-HV - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:34:26 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k728VDcp029833 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:31:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:33:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-developer Subject: rate a wiki page > One thing to consider is that what is "real value" to one person @@ -5451,37 +3882,10 @@ Subject: rate a wiki page Is there actually someone who uses the page rating at the bottom right of the wiki? I have never pressed a button there. (Shame on me.) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CFK-0005Lo-40 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CFI-0005LR-4N - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CFE-0005IX-FO - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8CFE-0005IU-CB - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:38:24 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8CII-0004CL-Ov - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:41:35 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k728cKcp030014 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:38:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:40:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-developer Subject: Re: Be Bold > Here is my adapted version of the Wikipedia 'Be Bold' principle. @@ -5500,37 +3904,10 @@ means. It should be a teaser to read the rest of the page. Unfortunately, I don't have an idea now, but maybe I'll change that page tonight. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CGb-0005tj-0L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:39:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CGY-0005sf-EG - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:39:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CGW-0005sS-Qm - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:39:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8CGW-0005sP-Mo - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:39:44 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8CJb-0004IE-4V - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:42:55 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k728decp030048 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:39:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:42:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-developer Subject: Re: Be Bold > It is also possible to use emacs as an external page editor. @@ -5538,43 +3915,11 @@ Subject: Re: Be Bold How??? Please let us know. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CIw-0006zf-Hx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:42:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CIu-0006yW-Lk - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:42:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CIr-0006xA-1U - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:42:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8CIq-0006wl-HD - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:42:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8CLv-0004tG-35 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:45:19 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFFB4F3D2; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:42:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k728g9sr015564; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:42:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k728g9DM015563; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:42:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 10:42:09 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: rate a wiki page - <44D0636E.1090607@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 10:42:09 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -5588,37 +3933,10 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: neither did I. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CXw-0005LS-3n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:57:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CXu-0005L6-9h - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:57:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8CXt-0005K4-Hn - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:57:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8CXt-0005Jt-37 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:57:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Cax-0006NL-HI - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:00:51 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k728vccp030547 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:57:38 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:00:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-developer Subject: Re: Be Bold > Well, we don't have the ability to do it with just your mouse @@ -5663,41 +3981,11 @@ of the wiki forms a lattice. Ralf - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Cw6-0008H0-R2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:22:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Cw4-0008GE-EE - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:22:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Cw3-0008Fb-QT - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:22:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Cw3-0008FJ-FD - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:22:39 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Cz8-0000Pq-4t - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:25:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E054F400; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:22:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k729Mdox016308; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:22:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k729MdU6016307; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:22:39 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 11:22:39 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44CFC93B.1020007@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 11:22:39 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6188,36 +4476,11 @@ fi \end{document} - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8DFY-00022u-1N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:42:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8DFW-00022h-NE - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:42:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8DFU-00020n-Ng - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:42:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DFU-00020k-I7 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:42:44 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.21] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8DIZ-0002TG-Ia - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:45:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Aug 2006 09:42:42 -0000 -Received: from p549F7816.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.101]) - [84.159.120.22] - by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 02 Aug 2006 11:42:42 +0200 - <44D0656A.7070805@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Oliver Kaminski -Subject: re: Be Bold Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:42:40 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: re: Be Bold >> It is also possible to use emacs as an external page editor. >> Perhaps some people would find this more convenient. @@ -6228,40 +4491,11 @@ http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/WikiModeDiscussion). I tried one of them several month ago, but it didn't quite work then. Maybe the necessary server support isn't enabled yet. -Kai - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8DVI-00020n-DZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:59:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8DVG-0001yk-CP - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:59:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8DVE-0001xx-IL - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:59:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DVE-0001xt-F7 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:59:00 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8DYJ-0003xj-Hf - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:02:11 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k729wrcp031719 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:58:54 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:01:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - -Cc: axiom-developer > | What about I give it a try : > | @@ -6310,46 +4544,11 @@ I don't think that Bibliography is the best word. Would you immediately think that you can find actual downloadable papers behind it? Is there some native speaker who can come up with something better? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Del-000411-8L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:08:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dej-00040k-K8 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:08:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Deh-0003z5-Q5 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:08:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Deh-0003yx-Mj - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:08:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Dhn-0004oe-3m - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:11:59 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CED4F3CB; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:08:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72A8m7O017791; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:08:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72A8mXZ017790; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:08:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 12:08:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - - - - <44D077FB.1060609@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 12:08:47 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6361,41 +4560,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Many websites just say "Papers". That is short; that is good. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dfd-0004WA-TX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:09:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dfc-0004VY-FM - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:09:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dfb-0004VM-Tj - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:09:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Dfb-0004VJ-Qh - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:09:43 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Dih-0004vV-5p - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:12:55 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72A9ecp031915 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:09:41 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:11:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Oliver Kaminski , - axiom-dev +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: re: Be Bold - <44D0656A.7070805@hemmecke.de> - <9ffe0e857cbadc642599a71dd28d4287@gmx.de> -Cc: You know, your link costs me several hours just to find out what to do. @@ -6419,40 +4588,12 @@ On 08/02/2006 11:42 AM, Kai Oliver Kaminski wrote: > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/WikiModeDiscussion). I tried one > of them several month ago, but it didn't quite work then. Maybe the > necessary server support isn't enabled yet. -> -> Kai - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dtu-00076a-MX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:24:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dtt-00075n-09 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:24:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Dtr-00075W-RL - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:24:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Dtr-00075T-Op - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:24:27 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Dwx-0006X4-8d - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:27:39 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72AOIcp032215 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:24:18 +0200 + +\start Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:26:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -6463,40 +4604,10 @@ and axiom/src/boot. Is it common to have *not* just one top-level ChangeLog? Now I am getting confused of where I should enter my changelog stuff. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8E2y-00020v-OY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:33:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8E2x-00020j-CQ - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:33:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8E2w-00020M-KF - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:33:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8E2w-00020J-Ae - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:33:50 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8E62-0007JI-0H - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:37:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B60BA6844F - for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:33:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 548376818F - for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:33:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:33:47 -0400 -Thread-Topic: spam attack -Thread-Index: Aca2G8/7+M4ShW1WQYuwQsB44zYOGgAAHAqg From: Bill Page -To: "axiom-dev" +To: list Subject: spam attack Axiom Developers, @@ -6632,40 +4743,11 @@ please let me know. I apologize for the email pain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EAZ-0008HS-E1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:41:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EAY-0008Fd-0c - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:41:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EAT-0008Az-IN - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:41:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8EAS-0008A0-R3 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:41:36 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EDY-00007H-Bk - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:44:48 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72AfVcp032707 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:41:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:44:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - -Cc: list > Based on the feedback I got, I implemented the Autoconf-based > configuration stuff as a pamphlet file (see below). @@ -6710,44 +4792,13 @@ autoconf configure.ac > configure ONCE and then we see a "configure" file in the distribution of Axiom. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ECW-0001xq-NB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:43:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ECV-0001xl-Ek - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:43:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ECT-0001xY-Qk - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:43:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8ECT-0001xV-KY - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:43:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EFZ-0000Ti-25 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:46:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2F63B6831C; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:43:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 15D7968128; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:43:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:43:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Be Bold -Thread-Index: Aca2Ed9ZVvRyx/pISM61oVEr1jVZwQABPT7Q From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Be Bold -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, I have made some of the improvements in 'backlinks' that you suggested below. @@ -6759,16 +4810,16 @@ On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:00 AM you wrote: Now the text field is 'Add new parent' and the button is 'Add/remove parents'. Is that better? ->=20 +> > Why cannot I add more children? Why not having something like > ... > Children of this page, i.e this pages has the following subtopics: ->=20 +> > 1. Habl > 2. Oof > 3. Bar > Add new child: ________ [Browse Index] ->=20 +> Children are defined as the inverse of the Parent relation. Each page has an (internal) list of it's parents and children @@ -6777,53 +4828,18 @@ to a page could be done but it would involve some new Python coding. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ->=20 -> And maybe at the bottom of the page you write that the whole=20 +> +> And maybe at the bottom of the page you write that the whole > structure of the wiki forms a lattice. ->=20 +> Done. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EE1-0003Bo-0Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:45:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EDz-0003Ao-W3 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:45:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EDz-00039C-2y - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:45:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8EDx-00038Z-J6 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:45:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EH3-0000aJ-7G - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:48:25 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17A740F71; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:45:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72AjEwa018333; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:45:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72AjEXN018332; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:45:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 12:45:13 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44CFC93B.1020007@hemmecke.de> - - <44D07DEF.2060009@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 12:45:13 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6858,45 +4874,14 @@ There are several paratical reasons for that: Ah; I've just finished the "./configure && make && make install" stuff. I'll commit after testing. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EJv-0005a5-3t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:51:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EJt-0005ZE-Bl - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:51:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EJr-0005Z1-FN - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:51:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8EJr-0005Yy-5D - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:51:19 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EMw-0000yt-RR - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:54:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3A48E68531; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:51:18 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 671DF684AA; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:51:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Be Bold Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:51:16 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Be Bold -Thread-Index: Aca2G8/7+M4ShW1WQYuwQsB44zYOGgABPm5Q From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , - axiom-dev +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Be Bold +Cc: Kai Kaminski -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:12 AM you wrote: @@ -6906,13 +4891,13 @@ On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:12 AM you wrote: > >>> Perhaps some people would find this more convenient. > >> > >> How??? Please let us know. -> > There are several wiki modes for Emacs (see=20 -> > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/WikiModeDiscussion).=20 +> > There are several wiki modes for Emacs (see +> > http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/WikiModeDiscussion). > > I tried one of them several month ago, but it didn't quite > > work then. Maybe the necessary server support isn't enabled yet. -> >=20 ->=20 -> You know, your link costs me several hours just to find out=20 +> > +> +> You know, your link costs me several hours just to find out > what to do. > @@ -6926,57 +4911,25 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/ExternalEdit Marten Rubey used to use this mode of editing wiki pages extensively. Perhaps he can give a more "user-oriented" description of how this works. -=20 -Regards, -Bill Page. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EN3-0007Rm-CX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:54:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EN0-0007Qi-SJ - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:54:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EMy-0007Q8-AM - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:54:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8EMy-0007Q5-4d - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:54:32 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EQ3-0001Dk-OG - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:57:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 17C0B68542; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:54:31 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9DC5768532; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:54:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Be Bold Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:54:29 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Be Bold -Thread-Index: Aca2G8/7+M4ShW1WQYuwQsB44zYOGgABPm5QAAA44pA= From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , - axiom-dev +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Be Bold +Cc: Kai Kaminski On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:51 AM I wrote: > ... > The concept of an External Editor is a ZWiki/Zope idea. > You can read about it here: ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/ExternalEdit ->=20 +> > Marten Rubey used to use this mode of editing wiki pages extensively. > Perhaps he can give a more "user-oriented" description of how this > works. -> =20 +> I forgot to mention that the icon that starts an external edit session is the little "pencil" in the top right hand side of the @@ -6984,54 +4937,22 @@ screen on the extreme right side of the menu line on Axiom Wiki. But you must first configure your system as described at the above link. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EVd-0002l8-AZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:03:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EVa-0002iz-PC - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:03:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EVa-0002ib-5m - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:03:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8EVZ-0002iY-RZ - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:03:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EYf-0001xF-K2 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:06:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C489F6843D; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 07:03:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CF8EF658EE; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 07:03:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 07:03:22 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Aca2Bh9ymYj2E1osQJ6ydOiBVH4PnQAHBnNA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Ralf, On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:36 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > >> (Could one have a table of contents at the top of that page?) ->=20 +> > > What did you have in mind? Table of Contents for the contents > > of the page or something more inclusive? ->=20 -> I have used

and

to structure the page. Since I=20 +> +> I have used

and

to structure the page. Since I > consider that page like a (very short) paper, I would like > to see the headlines appear either at the top of the page > or on the left hand side (without typing more myself). @@ -7057,46 +4978,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAxiomSourcesReST I am still having some trouble with the @ character. I will look\ into this problem later today. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EjC-0000oU-ED - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:17:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EjA-0000ny-Ea - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:17:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8EjA-0000nm-0w - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:17:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Ej9-0000nj-Sq - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:17:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8EmF-0003Id-UW - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:20:40 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A0840F05; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:17:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72BHSxM018721; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:17:30 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72BHSMm018720; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:17:28 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 13:17:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44CFC93B.1020007@hemmecke.de> - - <44D081F9.9070201@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 13:17:27 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -7182,43 +5068,11 @@ for the purpose of preventing the build machinery maintainers from introducing subtle bugs. Components of Autotools have dependency on such files in several circumstances. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8FCB-0005gC-Fq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:47:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8FCA-0005fh-8S - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:47:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8FC9-0005fV-AO - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:47:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8FC9-0005fS-7V - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:47:25 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.206] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8FFF-0006FF-Dr - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:50:37 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s8so36538wxc - for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:47:24 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=otysvZoTi/Auw4UlPGwMcu/QvYg11LDSgivdaDG3OPkcbjGqoqHuENwzcOkTgltT6Sau0J1Qo5mOya/AeToSwLNoMYhY1i0x57uMTXCiSQvRpxaV8K+ENOo4KS6n44fKBs1lttIMO3pgnSyLEkuV3sCmrm+d//Xq0JQQWO9oLuM= -Received: by 10.70.102.5 with SMTP id z5mr1238520wxb; - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:47:24 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 04:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:24 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Bill Page Subject: Re: spam attack - boundary="----=_Part_49317_2583799.1154519244190" - -Cc: axiom-dev - -------=_Part_49317_2583799.1154519244190 Thank you very much for fighting spam for us. @@ -7227,7 +5081,6 @@ because it will make the axiom web page a so called "farm link" meaning loosing rating or not even showing up in Google and co. - On 8/2/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: > > Axiom Developers, @@ -7362,83 +5215,12 @@ On 8/2/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: > please let me know. > > I apologize for the email pain. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -------=_Part_49317_2583799.1154519244190 - -Thank you very much for fighting spam for us.

I like to point how important it is not only because it is annoying but also because it will make the axiom web page a so called "farm link" meaning loosing rating or not even showing up in Google and co. -



On 8/2/06, Page, Bill <Bill Page> wrote:
-Axiom Developers,

I am sorry but while I slept I see that the link spammers
finally managed to break through. :( I guess my attempts
over the last few days must have really irritated them...

To stop this attack I had to temporarily disable sendmail -
from axiom-developer.org. Delete the mail queue. Then I
modified the spam filter to disallow all comments and edits
containing external links. And restarted sendmail. Now -
things are back to normal, I think.

Disabling external links means that http:// is no longer allowed
in any comment. Links that are internal to the Axiom Wiki are
still ok and can be written in the form:
-
  "link name":/xxx/yyy

or as standard wiki names.

I hope that is enough to hold them off for now.

If it continues we could at least disable the notices from
the Axiom Wiki and this would prevent the email part of the -
spam (but not the pollution of the web site). Or we may be
forced (as a last resort) to only permit comments and edits
by registered users which would of course defeat the main
purpose of the wiki.

Who ever did this seems to know what they are doing since it -
appears as if they have successfully spoofed a large number
of different ip addresses in a kind of "deny of service"
attack.

Here is a list of the ip addresses used by whoever caused
the most recent spam attack on Axiom Wiki. -

125.131.171.215
125.7.33.74
193.170.68.244
200.17.89.80
-200.242.249.70
200.3.183.52
200.35.89.157
200.71.62.6
201.147.158.52 -
201.155.170.232
201.52.4.158
202.110.217.130
202.68.151.116
-203.128.5.37
203.158.215.2
210.111.191.107
210.87.251.41
211.113.242.88 -
211.162.0.131
211.168.194.31
211.173.149.116
211.177.83.80
-211.186.170.244
211.195.242.221
211.199.92.168
211.210.36.234
-211.213.114.26
211.216.169.71
211.219.155.41
211.221.207.78
211.247.92.76 -
211.48.66.198
211.62.70.97
212.138.113.12
212.138.113.16
-212.9.224.211
213.140.56.3
213.249.155.231
216.207.123.200
217.113.234.7 -
217.56.108.227
218.11.207.244
218.113.240.98
218.128.16.116
-218.152.81.59
218.16.121.26
219.136.249.79
219.240.91.191
-220.121.133.210
220.121.153.109
220.126.1.182
220.82.189.124
220.85.41.91 -
220.89.68.166
220.95.73.118
221.13.66.161
221.142.178.181
-221.147.115.15
221.153.14.37
222.104.77.104
222.105.70.230
222.108.109.21 -
222.238.39.79
58.235.225.18
58.74.245.219
58.76.178.142
-59.150.212.199
59.15.50.100
59.4.4.84
61.103.229.60
61.109.90.189
-61.18.195.245
61.185.219.235
61.248.150.105
61.35.129.226
61.35.225.92 -
61.35.66.84
61.41.231.149
61.52.97.61
61.74.139.240
-72.2.18.19
80.50.243.250
80.50.82.90

-------

I don't see any immediate pattern in this list, so for now
I must assume that these are bogus ip addresses. If they -
were real, we would have grounds to contact the people and
companies to which these addresses are assigned.

If anyone sees a pattern to this list of ip addresses
please let me know.

I apologize for the email pain. -

Regards,
Bill Page.


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Interesting to think about, and maybe even practical, but that's for later. Right now, THANK YOU Gabriel for making a configure/make/make install routine for Axiom!!! -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8FZN-0002q2-UT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:11:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8FZL-0002nM-NW - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:11:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8FZK-0002l6-58 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:11:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8FZJ-0002kt-S8 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:11:21 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8FcQ-0000Ks-F8 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:14:34 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72CBJcp004203 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:11:19 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:13:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: axiom-developer > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAxiomSourcesReST @@ -7584,44 +5338,11 @@ Annoying, but if it must be to prevent spam I could live with it. But after I entered a reason, the password window popped up.... I quit. :-( I just wanted a preview and the sources of the page on the same page. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Fag-0003uV-1Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:12:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Fae-0003tV-KM - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:12:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Fad-0003rn-SK - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:12:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Fad-0003re-P6 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:12:43 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.207] (helo=wx-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Fdk-0000cp-H3 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:15:56 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so745977wxc - for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:12:43 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Ci9VIKGYg1345xLdgKX4Q4GpqHX1yNffvn59pR0jXCcNWNL1f10uEMH3ZCqQcz+qBZMBkmv6Dm1DoTg9TNaLPdYMdOJw0s4jbp38reX+neij5chQmmxw8ED1UjwzXEaljFYqwR8rsTi0AaJjw8s+CzUyQiQUkbwm6xFI2eAP8gM= -Received: by 10.70.38.9 with SMTP id l9mr1294205wxl; - Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:12:43 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 05:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:12:43 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - boundary="----=_Part_49517_617477.1154520763024" - - - - <44D077FB.1060609@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-developer ------=_Part_49517_617477.1154520763024 @@ -7714,55 +5435,10 @@ One thing is missing contribution/packages where packages not integrated to Axiom will be. I will put it bellow Download -------=_Part_49517_617477.1154520763024 - -
> | About
> | News
> | Documentation
> | FAQ
> | Screenshots/Video -
> | -----------
> | Online try
> | Download
> | ---------
> | Developer
> | Mail list
> | Bug report
> | Bibliography
> | Related link
>
> I like it.

-Looks not too bad to me, but Bill made sections with headlines. So you
are trying to remove the headlines. OK I can live with that.

Yes, just keep color to separate the different sections.
-
I like the first section above, but Screenshots/video is a bit too long
as a name. Also "Online try"? Why in the next section? What has that to -
do with Download?

Those are two way to use Axiom. And by putting it above download we make sure that people are aware of that option.

-Screenshot/video/online try all belong into one category I think. That
is for getting a feeling of what axiom can do. From the About page there
should certainly be a link to these pages. So I would rather suggest
-

Yes  just "Screenshot" will be better, as people do not epected video and even are not looking for one.
And when people click on it the video should be at the top because it the contexte "visual representation" it is relevant. -

...
FAQ
------------
Screenshots
Video
Online Try
----------- -
Download
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I don't know what you mean with Developer. Should that link to
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers/withNavigator -

Developer where you will click if you are a developer or want to be one.
Here we find all the informations about our various SCM the distinction between gold siliver. The developement road map, the forks projects, the coding sugestion/bounty. -
Arguments about design issue and so on.

I don't think that Bibliography is the best word. Would you immediately -
think that you can find actual downloadable papers behind it? Is there
some native speaker who can come up with something better?

What about a "Research" instead.
People will expected to find publications and so on there. -

-| About
| News
| FAQ
| Screenshots
| -----------
| Online try
| Download
| -----------
-| Documentation
-| Reseach
| Developer
| ----------
| Mail list
| Bug report
| Related link

One thing is missing contribution/packages where packages not integrated to Axiom will be.
I will put it bellow Download -
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Currently, I also don't feel need for configure.ac, given that maintainers have noweb and configure.ac.pamphlet. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8GXB-0000Fz-Vt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:13:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8GX9-0000Fp-VM - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:13:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8GX8-0000Fd-CU - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:13:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8GX8-0000Fa-8w - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:13:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8GaF-0006i3-Ce - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:16:23 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72DCqcp007949 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:12:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:15:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Antoine Hersen Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - - - - <44D077FB.1060609@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-developer > I don't know what you mean with Developer. Should that link to > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxActiveAxiomDevelopers/withNavigator @@ -8008,37 +5622,10 @@ others what we are actually doing. Maybe the page http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/TodoList could be reused? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8HVT-0006rf-Ku - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:15:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8HVR-0006qk-QY - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:15:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8HVO-0006pI-Uw - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:15:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8HVO-0006pC-Oz - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:15:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8HYW-0004TJ-4g - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:18:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72EFNcp009791 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:15:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:18:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-developer Subject: Re: Be Bold On 08/02/2006 12:43 PM, Page, Bill wrote: @@ -8088,47 +5675,11 @@ OK, would be a "nice to have" feature, but don't invest time on it now. But why would I like to order the subtopics? I cannot map that to the "lattice" notion. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8IBS-0003PH-1Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:58:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8IBP-0003NE-EV - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8IBN-0003Jr-PV - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8IBN-0003JN-HD - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:58:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8IEV-0008Vk-IX - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:02:03 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B03F4F404; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:58:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72EwjmQ022260; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:58:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72EwjtR022259; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:58:45 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Aug 2006 16:58:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44CFC93B.1020007@hemmecke.de> - - <44D081F9.9070201@hemmecke.de> - - <44D0A2A2.90803@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Aug 2006 16:58:44 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -8243,47 +5794,13 @@ Yes. That is not an issue. Then just forget about it and run build-setup.sh. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8IIJ-0005jK-FA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:05:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8III-0005jE-0r - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:05:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8IIF-0005iF-Hu - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:05:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8IIF-0005iC-DH - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:05:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8ILN-0000er-Mt - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:09:09 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE5F4F3C4; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:05:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72F5t84022286; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:05:57 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72F5tJG022285; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:05:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <200608012211.51434.Cliff Yapp> - - <200608020806.51455.Cliff Yapp> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Aug 2006 17:05:55 +0200 -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp writes: +Cliff Yapp writes: [...] @@ -8315,46 +5832,11 @@ Yes. | Right now, THANK YOU Gabriel for making a configure/make/make install | routine for Axiom!!! -You're welcome. - - - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8KXe-0005cF-Gx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:29:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8KXc-0005bb-Ie - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:29:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8KXb-0005Zl-5s - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:29:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8KXa-0005Za-T0 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:29:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Kak-0000Iv-Hm - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:33:10 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 309E5687B5; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:29:54 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 115016879B; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:29:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: spam attack Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:29:50 -0400 -Thread-Topic: spam attack -Thread-Index: Aca2KXuvdsNf+xRHSZm5Ag1oTnZnBAALNPKg From: Bill Page -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: spam attack On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:47 AM Antoine Hersen wrote: @@ -8366,7 +5848,7 @@ these web site abusers. > I like to point how important it is not only because it is > annoying but also because it will make the axiom web page a > so called "farm link" meaning loosing rating or not even showing -> up in Google and co.=20 +> up in Google and co. Yes you are right, this could happen if we let too much spam accumulate.=09 @@ -8410,50 +5892,11 @@ pages and you get caught by this ban, maybe the best approach would be for you to send your changes to one someone who already has a Zope user id. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8L10-0005LT-37 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:00:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8L0y-0005KQ-1x - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:00:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8L0w-0005Jn-Oi - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:00:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8L0w-0005Jh-Jr - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:00:14 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8L46-0003GB-Bj - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:03:30 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k72I07St024463 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:00:07 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k72I07ZZ024460; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:00:07 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:00:07 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: spam attack - Antoine Hersen, - axiom-dev - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DNUSDXU7R7AVVM8C" - moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: axiom-dev - - ---DNUSDXU7R7AVVM8C Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > > I like to point how important it is not only because it is @@ -8519,65 +5962,17 @@ zope user management products: http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management but it would require some coding to get it to interface with zwiki. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---DNUSDXU7R7AVVM8C - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE0OgnjwioWRGe9K0RAo5RAKDqtpZx67P8qT2FQbMuRFZ185wVjACg6Q4M -78npT+7mthOyRIBqChutT2Y= -=66ih ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---DNUSDXU7R7AVVM8C-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Lbl-0007Qq-Ek - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:38:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Lbi-0007Mp-Jo - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:38:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Lbf-0007Lb-Q4 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:38:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Lbf-0007LY-IG - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:38:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Lep-0006Zo-Pe - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:41:28 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C9ECC68801; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:38:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1890968723; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:38:08 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: spam attack +\start Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:38:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: spam attack -Thread-Index: Aca2XYkxlv9XYiqETLaecpBxmMTvnAAAKFOQ From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: spam attack -Hi Bob,=20 +Hi Bob, On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:00 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> Since wiki spam must occur over a HTTP connection, it is=20 +> ... +> Since wiki spam must occur over a HTTP connection, it is > 2-way. So, you have the verified IP's of the attackers. > Someone is clearly using a zombie net. Consider spawning: > iptables -A INPUT -s "$IP" -j DROP @@ -8597,7 +5992,7 @@ all of these addresses might well affect ligitimit users. > Then, one would want to remove the ban on reguar links > or you would hit legitimate users. I'm assuming banned_links > would contain only the bad URL's/domain names. So in each -> case you would get at least one spam. =20 +> case you would get at least one spam. No, this does seem practical either because there are literally hundreds of these domain names. What I did @@ -8606,7 +6001,7 @@ eliminating the possibility of directly specifying an external link in any form. (ZWikiRemote links are still possible for predefined urls.) ->=20 +> > I don't think it's possible or practical to try to ban > spam *before* seeing spam from a given source. They can > always find a way around any system you set up. @@ -8617,7 +6012,7 @@ and overrun or server... but I am counting on them going to all this trouble for a real purpose (i.e. link jamming) and not just to annoy us - at least not for long. ->=20 +> > > My second attempt to control this threat is to continue the > > ban on http external links for unauthenticated (i.e. non > > Zope) users. This is the way the ban was originally supposed @@ -8628,12 +6023,12 @@ not just to annoy us - at least not for long. > > enter their user id and password. If it is valid, the edit > > will be allowed to continue. If not, then they (and all those > > damned robots!) will receive a 401 Unauthorized return code. -> >=20 +> > > > This seems to be working now. Would those of you who have the > > Zope user accounts, i.e. Ralf, Marten, and Bob McElrath, please > > try this and confirm that it is working the way it is supposed > > to. ->=20 +> > That's an interesting idea...can the post be held for moderation > too, in case someone makes an interesting edit but doesn't have > a zope userid? @@ -8643,7 +6038,7 @@ protected log file somewhere? Maybe even to a set of "shadow" pages that are only readable by registered Zope users? Moderation is a neat idea but it would take some programming work to implement. -> ...=20 +> ... > This is one of the major drawbacks to ZWiki -- there is no way > for the user to create and manage his account. Plone, for > instance, allows the user to create an account and login with @@ -8669,54 +6064,16 @@ of the wiki over a wiki hosted inside my test version of Plone. > http://www.zope.org/Products/user_management > but it would require some coding to get it to interface with > zwiki. ->=20 +> I might look at these if it turns out we need a non-Plone longer term solution. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Lfb-00014z-NG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:42:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Lfa-00014i-2m - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:42:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8LfZ-00014V-Mb - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:42:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8LfZ-00014S-Gm - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:42:13 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Lij-00073M-Ln - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:45:30 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k72IgBKI024795 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:42:11 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k72IgBGs024792; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:42:11 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:42:11 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: Re: spam attack - axiom-dev - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wjoFZxbW4tu+iR6v" - moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: axiom-dev - - ---wjoFZxbW4tu+iR6v Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Hi Bob, @@ -8769,70 +6126,22 @@ Yep. Why is that a problem? Well, ideally something like a mailing list moderation where some administrator can look at it and just hit a button to allow the edit. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---wjoFZxbW4tu+iR6v - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE0PIDjwioWRGe9K0RAufXAKD1drIjoNSxDa6Q/Txn9j3JAzT15wCfcHD7 -ZLfZkU7SKl3aubvR04cubDc= -=aeK7 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---wjoFZxbW4tu+iR6v-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8MEc-0000sy-Jp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:18:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8MEb-0000rZ-AL - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:18:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8MEa-0000rL-RL - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:18:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8MEa-0000rI-Jj - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:18:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8MHl-0001VW-Cm - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:21:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CC4116858E; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C860A6855E; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: spam attack +\start Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:18:25 -0400 -Thread-Topic: spam attack -Thread-Index: Aca2Y2WSrau//7IzRo65ydCaOA3BlAAAtviw From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: spam attack -Bob,=20 +Bob, On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:42 PM you wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > Are you suggesting that I drop all connections from the > > complete list of ip addresses that are being used by the -> > spammers?=20 ->=20 +> > spammers? +> > Yes. ->=20 +> > > So far there are about 200 of these addresses > > scattered over several different subnets so I am not sure > > that this is practical. And as far as I can tell the number @@ -8841,7 +6150,7 @@ On Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:42 PM you wrote: > > I am quite concerned that these are spoofed ip addresses > > and do not really uniquely identify the spammers. Blocking > > all of these addresses might well affect legitimate users. ->=20 +> > Only legitimate users that are using a hacked windows box. > And, good riddance, they should fix their computers. @@ -8853,15 +6162,15 @@ being exploited without being able to give any explanation even though the chance that any one of these users might really want to know about Axiom is probably not that high. ->=20 +> > > > Then, one would want to remove the ban on regular links > > > or you would hit legitimate users. I'm assuming banned_links > > > would contain only the bad URL's/domain names. So in each -> > > case you would get at least one spam. =20 -> >=20 +> > > case you would get at least one spam. +> > > > No, this does seem practical either because there are -> > literally hundreds of these domain names.=20 ->=20 +> > literally hundreds of these domain names. +> > Yep. Why is that a problem? The problem as I see it is that using this method we actually @@ -8881,40 +6190,11 @@ on a piecemeal basis. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8NwO-00026i-4M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8NwM-00026R-JS - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8NwH-00025b-3u - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8NwG-00025Y-W1 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:37 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8NzS-0003KK-K8 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:10:54 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72L7Qcp020048 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:07:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:09:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -8981,40 +6261,11 @@ pamphlet files. So there clearly there is a target like or something the like. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ONU-0005U4-92 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:35:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ONS-0005St-Dx - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:35:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ONQ-0005SI-Fv - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:35:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8ONQ-0005SB-8a - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:35:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8OQc-0005GW-6r - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:38:58 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k72LZRcp020714 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:35:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:38:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - -Cc: list > | If I understand the question, you are asking how we can have only literate > | program files in Axiom at the get go and still not depend on noweb. The @@ -9049,49 +6300,11 @@ be written in such a linear way. But all the non-pamphlet world can handle just Makefile.am and that is linear. So where would a pamphlet format impose some dependency on noweb for the configure process? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8QJN-0004M4-GH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:39:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8QJM-0004Kx-2L - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:39:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8QJL-0004KC-B1 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:39:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8QJL-0004K0-8Q - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:39:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8QMY-0007Cu-1R - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:42:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407084F3C6; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:39:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72NdX56030871; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:39:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72NdXww030870; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:39:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Aug 2006 01:39:33 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44CFC93B.1020007@hemmecke.de> - - <44D081F9.9070201@hemmecke.de> - - <44D0A2A2.90803@hemmecke.de> - - <44D1149B.6060702@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Aug 2006 01:39:33 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -9110,46 +6323,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: That is right. But Autotools have implicit dependency on those. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8QVQ-0001CY-O2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:52:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8QVP-0001C7-4l - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:52:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8QVM-0001Bh-W8 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:52:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8QVM-0001BY-Ne - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:52:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8QYZ-0008BY-P8 - for list; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:55:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E2040F70; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:51:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k72NpxPF031054; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:52:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k72NpxAO031053; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:51:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Aug 2006 01:51:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - - <200608012211.51434.Cliff Yapp> - - <44D11B3A.7030303@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Aug 2006 01:51:59 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -9228,42 +6406,10 @@ little modifications of makefiles; I suspect that 95% contribution will be about algebra codes, 2% about the compiler... So, the current project is not a big deal. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WPi-0002oN-5d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:10:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WPg-0002nv-1R - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:10:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WPf-0002nj-8B - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:10:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8WPf-0002ng-1h - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:10:31 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1G8WSv-0002Dk-Su - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:13:54 -0400 -Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WJg-0003f7-FL - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:04:20 +0200 -Received: from pool-71-107-254-189.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.107.254.189]) - by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) - id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:04:20 +0200 -Received: from simon by pool-71-107-254-189.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net with - local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 - for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:04:20 +0200 -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:57:52 -0700 - -Cc: +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Zwiki update, anti-spam thoughts Page, Bill wrote: @@ -9299,50 +6445,11 @@ one, there must be something better by now). Or, you could put the wiki inside Plone to take advantage of its polished membership system, but still have it use the fast zwiki skin (easy; see how-tos at zwiki.org or ask me). -Best, --Simon - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WfZ-0003hA-Rd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:26:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WfY-0003gO-IK - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:26:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8WfT-0003dP-RE - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:26:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8WfT-0003dM-Mq - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:26:51 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8Wik-0003XC-VW - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:30:15 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k736QmgF031063 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:48 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k736QmwE031060; - Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:48 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f +\start Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:48 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Simon Michael Subject: Re: Zwiki update, anti-spam thoughts - - <44D19060.1050005@joyful.com> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DrWhICOqskFTAXiy" - moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list - - ---DrWhICOqskFTAXiy Simon Michael [Simon Michael] wrote: > Page, Bill wrote: @@ -9377,50 +6484,7 @@ It is better to keep mathaction working, and add needed things piecemeal. It will be more work to merge mathaction with the latest ZWiki than to import only the latest anti-spam features. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---DrWhICOqskFTAXiy - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE0ZcojwioWRGe9K0RAl7XAJ9wEFYShpq7F15dJFyik7sOpJ0wyQCg9Hd7 -IqO89brkLLajOowVZutmFwE= -=n2V6 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---DrWhICOqskFTAXiy-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8YC9-0002Ja-CG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:04:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8YC5-0002Iu-S0 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:04:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8YC2-0002HN-TG - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:04:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8YC2-0002HB-9K - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:04:34 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8YFK-0003CR-1a - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:07:58 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7384Scp000765 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:04:28 +0200 +\start Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:06:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: list @@ -9439,39 +6503,11 @@ Comments on a page look to me always like "the page should be improved, but nobody had time to do it". So it basically shows that Axiom (or at least the Axiom Wiki content) is not maintained well enough. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8YIB-0005Lw-0a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:10:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8YI8-0005Gx-Uq - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:10:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8YI7-0005Cg-8O - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:10:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8YI6-0005CZ-S9 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:10:50 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8YLO-00048w-Vt - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:14:15 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k738Accp000941 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:10:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:13:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -9503,39 +6539,11 @@ Perl. And Perl runs und Window, too. I believe a simple notangle replacement for the configure files would be much easier in Perl. Do you allow me to write it in Perl? Or is that dependency already too strong? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Yd3-0003JR-N8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:32:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Yd0-0003I9-Uh - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:32:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8Ycy-0003DB-S5 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:32:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8Ycy-0003Ct-L5 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:32:24 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8YgG-0005kB-US - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:35:49 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k738WFcp001384 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:32:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:34:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - -Cc: list > Makefile.am does not need to be linear. In fact, Makefile.am is > sufficiently high-level enough that if and when we get there, we will @@ -9567,48 +6575,11 @@ compiler found the error. I suggest to adopt that convention for axiom (replace .nw by .pamphlet). -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8aIs-0002T6-Dz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:19:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8aIq-0002So-QY - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:19:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8aIq-0002SZ-7c - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:19:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8aIq-0002SW-2r - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:19:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8aM9-00006L-1O - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:23:09 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A7840F05; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:19:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k73AJe53004814; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:19:42 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k73AJec4004813; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:19:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Aug 2006 12:19:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - - <200608012211.51434.Cliff Yapp> - - <44D11B3A.7030303@hemmecke.de> - - <44D1B01D.4090800@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Aug 2006 12:19:40 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -9643,47 +6614,11 @@ That would be a good thing, at least. Many thanks for your feedback. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8e1y-0003QY-Ew - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:18:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8e1w-0003PI-JQ - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:18:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8e1v-0003Nv-8m - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:18:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8e1v-0003Nd-3V - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:18:31 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8e5D-0006WS-Pw - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:21:59 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k73EI75w013767 - for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:18:11 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22811 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 14:18:09 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 3 Aug 2006 14:18:09 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k73EAVx03676; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:10:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:10:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:34:54 +0200) Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - - <44D1B52E.6020907@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > I guess the literate idea even says that it does not matter how a file > is called. It is most important that you write a paper from which you @@ -9763,43 +6698,11 @@ them, solve problems with them. You can build on other people's work. We need to lift our eyes back to the humans, away from the technology. Communicate, don't program. -Tim - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8e8D-0007ku-Bd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:25:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8e8A-0007kS-Ru - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:24:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8e88-0007kG-Dh - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:24:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8e88-0007kD-7c - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:24:56 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8eBU-0007MR-0N - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:28:24 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k73DclNQ006211 - for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:38:47 +0200 +Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:24:41 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: list -Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:24:41 +0200 - k73DclNQ006211 -Cc: -Subject: Axiom patch-49 (+ Aldor 1.0.3) compiles on - FreeBSD :-)) - -Hi, +Subject: Axiom patch-49 (+ Aldor 1.0.3) compiles on FreeBSD :-)) I am working with Axiom/Aldor on FreeBSD systems (FreeBSD 6.1 and 5.4, gcl-2.6.6 and gcl-2.6.7). After Axiom compiles fine (with some with some @@ -9809,97 +6712,20 @@ Aldor part causes some serious headache. Is anybody interested in or able to build a FreeBSD port? ... and is able to get compiler::link working for interpsys? -Gernot - - ---=20 -DI Gernot Hueber -Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen -Altenbergerstr. 69 -4040 Linz -Tel +43 732 2468 7120 -Fax +43 732 2468 7126 -Email hueber at riic dot at - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8eIE-0006kI-9g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8eIC-0006hr-RX - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8eI8-0006ge-VX - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8eI8-0006gY-Ou - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8eLU-00088n-Nq - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:38:44 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k73EZ23O029053 - for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:35:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11571 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 14:35:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 3 Aug 2006 14:35:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k73ERQi03704; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27:26 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gernot Hueber - on Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:24:41 +0200) -Subject: Re: Axiom patch-49 (+ Aldor 1.0.3) compiles on - FreeBSD :-)) -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom patch-49 (+ Aldor 1.0.3) compiles on FreeBSD :-)) I have not been successful building Axiom on FreeBSD. I would like to see your patches. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8fuu-0003DB-97 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:19:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8fus-0003BB-O0 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:19:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8fup-00035s-GZ - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:19:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8fup-00035l-D6 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:19:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8fyB-00026c-GY - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:22:48 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k73FX9NQ006936 - for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:33:09 +0200 -Subject: Re: Axiom patch-49 (+ Aldor 1.0.3) compiles on - FreeBSD :-)) -From: Gernot Hueber -To: axiom-developer - <200608031427.k73ERQi03704@localhost.localdomain> - <1154617962.709.0.camel@hawkings> - <200608031510.k73FAjZ03732@localhost.localdomain> - <1154619593.709.4.camel@hawkings> - <200608031537.k73FbA503763@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:19:06 +0200 - - ---=-0/PoPos6L0FhxfyLS++8 +From: Gernot Hueber +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom patch-49 (+ Aldor 1.0.3) compiles on FreeBSD :-)) Hi, @@ -9917,10 +6743,6 @@ gmake GCL...). Aldor works fine in the emulator, but I think you need the linux-develtools port. -Gernot - - - On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:37 -0400, root wrote: > There are C files that are part of the lisp build. > Once the lisp builds all will go smoothly. @@ -10132,41 +6954,11 @@ On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:37 -0400, root wrote: --=-0/PoPos6L0FhxfyLS++8-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8gP8-0005o9-Hm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:50:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8gP6-0005lx-Ct - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:50:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8gP4-0005jk-BO - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:50:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8gP4-0005jA-5i - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:50:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8gSR-0005Em-8r - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:54:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 81A2668FAA; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:50:32 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4E26F68C90; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:50:31 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:51:02 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Front page esthetic -Thread-Index: Aca2Bh9ymYj2E1osQJ6ydOiBVH4PnQBD57yw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Gaby, Ralf, Cliff, Antoine, Alfredo, and others who I hope I haven't forgotten: @@ -10216,47 +7008,12 @@ a while - but you should feel free to comment and mention them now anyway. Or another thing might be to submit a few IssueTracker reports and feature enhancements and/or bugs. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8gWO-0002Yi-Vd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:58:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8gWN-0002Xg-Dl - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:58:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8gWL-0002X9-4I - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:58:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8gWL-0002X5-04 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:58:05 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8gZi-0005kg-1v - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:01:34 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k73Gw2jw004599 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) - for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:58:02 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k73Gw25t004596 - for list; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:58:02 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:58:02 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv" - clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org Subject: interesting new CAS - ---A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv - Today appeared "A field-theory motivated approach to symbolic computer algebra":http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.SC/0608005 which is of course very interesting to me. Anyone who has used any tensor package in any CAS @@ -10265,59 +7022,11 @@ will sympathize with the goals of the author. The code is GPL and he even wrote a texmacs interface: http://www.aei.mpg.de/~peekas/cadabra/ --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE0isajwioWRGe9K0RAjXNAJ9zp+wvtQp5902lXFg4+Zed6DcMFwCfVjUK -9dPBgXyeh/nSo5LTzMjABDU= -=zkfq ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hNc-0007t4-5N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:53:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hNb-0007sX-9i - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:53:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hNW-0007pL-0X - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:53:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8hNV-0007pC-Mk - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:53:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8hQs-0002xX-Gw - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:56:30 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D5A4F399; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:52:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k73HqotL011313; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:52:52 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k73HqoIC011312; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:52:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 03 Aug 2006 19:52:49 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Aug 2006 19:52:49 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Bill Page writes: @@ -10329,42 +7038,11 @@ Thank *you*. Indeed, this is excellent! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hTY-0001gT-Si - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:59:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hTX-0001g5-QN - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:59:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hTV-0001ej-TU - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:59:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8hTV-0001ec-Q0 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:59:13 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8hWs-0003V4-KL - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:02:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4B9C164F52; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7D99E66424; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:59:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: interesting new CAS Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:59:52 -0400 -Thread-Topic: interesting new CAS -Thread-Index: Aca3HghPZDDPrPX6TC6PVAe4mN7ZfQABVSpg From: Bill Page -To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: list +To: Bob McElrath +Subject: RE: interesting new CAS Bob, @@ -10374,16 +7052,16 @@ and now contemplating the limitations of the CartesianTensor domain in Axiom, I do have a great respect for this problem. On Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:58 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Today appeared "A field-theory motivated approach to symbolic > computer algebra":http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.SC/0608005 which is > of course very interesting to me. Anyone who has used any > tensor package in any CAS will sympathize with the goals of > the author. ->=20 +> > The code is GPL and he even wrote a texmacs interface: > http://www.aei.mpg.de/~peekas/cadabra/ -=20 + Whenever I see GPL these days my mind goes immediately to thoughts of integrating the software into some other piece of open source software with which I am more familiar. In @@ -10409,7 +7087,7 @@ Regards, Bill Page. -----Original Message----- -From: Page, Bill=20 +From: Page, Bill Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:33 PM To: 'sliang22@uwo.ca' Cc: 'Stephen Watt'; 'djeffrey@uwo.ca' @@ -10447,41 +7125,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxCategoricalRelativity And of course I would be very interested in hearing about other work of this kind. -Sincerely, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hz0-0004yB-2z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:31:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hyy-0004vO-3L - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:31:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8hyv-0004uD-Rp - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:31:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8hyv-0004u5-Os - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:31:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8i2J-0006Xl-Fw - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:35:11 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k73IVbcp016977 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:31:37 +0200 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:33:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Tim Daly, axiom-dev +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion - <44D1B52E.6020907@hemmecke.de> - <200608031410.k73EAVx03676@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: On 08/03/2006 04:10 PM, root wrote: >> I guess the literate idea even says that it does not matter how a file @@ -10620,52 +7268,20 @@ And actually, if we used our Wiki more extensively, also that could provide different views onto Axiom. I think, even in 20 years the 30 years horizon is still that far away. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8izQ-00038D-B2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8izP-000388-Ba - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8izM-00037j-Kg - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8izM-00037g-Hk - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8j2j-0000zs-OA - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:39:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1E22867D33; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:36:08 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 60C8C67A5B; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:36:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:37:03 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -Thread-Index: Aca3Kx6Nk8/DCjhETK6uKpyLCnb1yQABkGBQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion On Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:34 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > And the "book" idea is good, but it is not perfect. You have > already said that you want to write books for different people, > look from a different perspective onto the same data. So wouldn't -> it be nice to have all these data (=3D some information) split into -> atoms that could be put together to new molecules (=3Dbooks)? Read +> it be nice to have all these data (= some information) split into +> atoms that could be put together to new molecules (=books)? Read > about the LEO system, they basically have such an idea of > different view onto the same data. @@ -10674,11 +7290,11 @@ tool that is well worth looking into. I think we would learn a lot about Axiom if we were to set up a Leo environment of building Axiom. ->=20 +> > And actually, if we used our Wiki more extensively, also that > could provide different views onto Axiom. I think, even in 20 > years the 30 years horizon is still that far away. ->=20 +> ++1 Double for sure! :) I would very much like to continue to explore this possibility :( if I ever find some more time ): @@ -10693,40 +7309,11 @@ sort of problem at the "peta-scale" that, as Tim has suggested, is nearlly here already. Unfortunately we are only just being to learn how to build such systems. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8kOM-0001dD-8H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:06:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8kOK-0001cu-T4 - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:06:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8kOI-0001bf-Ei - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:06:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8kOI-0001bR-8T - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:06:02 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.181] (helo=web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8kRh-0001n4-HL - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:09:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail 98565 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2006 21:05:57 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=DZARdYUz1NIE1UwsqmYVf2wFd6qQEjwFuqpVU5D1Gf6YGmljKsDk6CqxYdPwYogAgjKYHQ3KySOwjf2jpr90h50x7X4trAq3KH9//fyTI0IXs81WRUa/BzJO+jJ264SgcPI9XgaMXcmv+PIuwgt1/ArGoutPJcs2QTMxALVUVCg= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:05:57 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -To: Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly, - axiom-dev -Cc: --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -10850,48 +7437,11 @@ However, I agree that in general a link to an explanation is preferable - we should avoid information duplication which does provide a real benefit to the end user. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8kYE-00071p-Cb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:16:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8kYC-00071G-5d - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:16:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8kY8-0006z1-Mv - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8kY8-0006yx-IT - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:16:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8kbY-0002mm-Dc - for list; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:19:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AFB4F3CA; - Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:15:53 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k73LG460014809; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:16:06 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k73LG4MK014808; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:16:04 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Aug 2006 23:16:04 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Requests for discussion -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Aug 2006 23:16:04 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -10906,34 +7456,10 @@ For me, the issue here is that of organizing information for human comprehension. I simply cannot handle gigantic file, no matter how powerful my computers are. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8tSV-0007fV-BO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:46:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8tST-0007fK-Da - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:46:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8tSR-0007f7-RK - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:46:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8tSR-0007f4-GX - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:46:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8tVw-0007Vu-KT - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:50:32 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k7460gNQ013146 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:00:43 +0200 -From: Gernot Hueber -To: axiom-developer Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:46:42 +0200 +From: Gernot Hueber +To: list Subject: interpsys with dlopen in underlying lisp Hi, @@ -10944,9 +7470,6 @@ Has anybody experience with dlopen yet? Regards -Gernot - - hawkings# /home/hueber/src/axiom--main--1--patch-49/obj/freebsd/bin/interpsys GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.7 CLtL1 Aug 3 2006 20:14:50 Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd) @@ -10996,41 +7519,11 @@ hawkings# more syslisp.lsp (defentry |nputs| (int string) (int "nputs")) (defentry |printf| (string) (int "printf")) - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8vHC-000113-O1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:43:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8vHB-00010k-R7 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:43:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8vHB-00010B-0A - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:43:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8vHA-000106-Sg - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:43:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8vKh-0000lm-BD - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:47:03 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G8vH1-0005Eh-OK; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:43:15 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G8vH1-0000r1-M1; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:43:15 +0200 +Date: 04 Aug 2006 10:43:14 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Aug 2006 10:43:14 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Dear Bill et al, @@ -11048,44 +7541,11 @@ Thanks in any case for your work and your thoughts about fighting spam... (very sad that this is necessary) -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8vPy-0003ai-Mm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:52:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8vPw-0003aT-Ow - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:52:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8vPv-0003a5-2X - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:52:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8vPu-0003Zw-N7 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:52:26 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8vTR-0001Pq-6d - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:56:05 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so51693wxc - for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Y5WL0CJ+GfQlwYcNH880+bajXsh3EqOXW4Lta0Ohw0RHa+niMocE5k3ALUg08cdMKx0jxBGqEEryY0pcSAHEpJUFizUvfuD0U3537s01C1fEf2sm8Ilx1AyB1v2z5SsT4MJVI45/PLl3Ale0h1mIoScBbGCcT1sDc+xg5K/2bK0= -Received: by 10.70.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr4502315wxz; - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:52:25 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - boundary="----=_Part_71534_5947139.1154681545650" - <9qu04suc0t.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-developer - -------=_Part_71534_5947139.1154681545650 Thank you for the changes. My minimalist instinc feel better. @@ -11106,52 +7566,13 @@ I think you can use the RSS feed. Weird it does not show in Safari. -------=_Part_71534_5947139.1154681545650 - -Thank you for the changes.
My minimalist instinc feel better.


* the wiki menu (especially the item "changes") is missing now. I very much -
  liked to click on it on the FrontPage, though, and I also think it is
  interesting for people who come by only occasionally.

I think you can use the RSS feed.

-* The boxes "Download and Try online" now appear nested inside of
  "Documentation". This looks quite weird. (At least on Konqueror 3.1.4, I
  don't have any other browser installed here, unfortunately) -

Weird it does not show in Safari.

- -------=_Part_71534_5947139.1154681545650-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8waN-0006mx-Ov - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:07:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8waM-0006lL-5U - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:07:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8waK-0006l7-FT - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:07:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8waK-0006l4-D7 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:07:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8wdr-0000NF-GH - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:10:55 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G8waI-0003Dk-85; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:07:14 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G8waI-0002q2-4r; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:07:14 +0200 -To: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - <9qu04suc0t.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey +\start Date: 04 Aug 2006 12:07:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +From: Martin Rubey +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -"Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen writes: +Antoine Hersen writes: > > * the wiki menu (especially the item "changes") is missing now. I very > > much @@ -11171,39 +7592,11 @@ that this is a wiki. OK, good to know that this is a browser problem and not intentional. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8yei-0001c2-I2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:19:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8yeg-0001b4-F8 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:19:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8yeZ-0001ZI-5z - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:19:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8yeY-0001ZA-Lv - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:19:46 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.194] (helo=web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8yi4-00056W-W3 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:23:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3623 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 12:19:32 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=uxhzATHuSVUZAJnQR981oyeqMp2gPH6lcXiN3L993B+Cxkqfb3ocfOoAzwFTrVLb5vhWmJhKS1zMQKS281Gux/1h5cs/TaGh8sm2yAjGW7CXZCp12C7ngpwTuaVbIINAjtStXxjzSRUE1K7zASTWlhxINC4Wk5M1UPdjv2clW4Q= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:19:32 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list -Subject: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books +Subject: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books There seem to be two main packages for taking complete individual latex documents and combining them into larger ones (if I've missed an @@ -11218,48 +7611,11 @@ various pamphlets into a book" question, but I have no experience with it (yet). Has anyone here happened to use it? Does it work fairly well? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8zp8-0002O3-W1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:34:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8zp7-0002NC-OZ - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:34:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8zp5-0002Mu-D5 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:34:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8zp5-0002Mr-5h - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:34:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8zse-00032E-Be - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:38:24 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G8zp3-0003oU-FT; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:34:41 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1G8zp3-0006N9-DV; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:34:41 +0200 -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Aug 2006 15:34:38 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -11270,36 +7626,10 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: I did and I was very satisfied. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8zti-0004Nd-DQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:39:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8ztg-0004MW-Ge - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:39:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G8zte-0004MK-Ru - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:39:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8zte-0004MH-Ny - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:39:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G8zxD-0003N2-Bn - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:43:08 -0400 -Received: from hawkings ([140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k74CrCNQ015470 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:53:12 +0200 -From: Gernot Hueber -To: axiom-developer Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:39:23 +0200 - k74CrCNQ015470 +From: Gernot Hueber +To: list Subject: Using a shared lib in Axiom Hi, @@ -11322,8 +7652,8 @@ compile error: (defentry cast-obj2int (object) (int cast_obj2int)) ;;(defCfun "int cast_obj2int(s) object s;" 0 ;; " return( (int) s->st.st_self);" ) -(clines "int cast_obj2int(s) object s; { object *vs=3Dvs_top; object -*old_top=3Dvs_top+0; { return( (int) s->st.st_self); } vs_top=3Dvs; } ") +(clines "int cast_obj2int(s) object s; { object *vs=vs_top; object +*old_top=vs_top+0; { return( (int) s->st.st_self); } vs_top=vs; } ") [...] @@ -11424,10 +7754,10 @@ Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. (1) -> )lisp (load "elf-test3") [unknown global sym call_d1d] -Value =3D 936 +Value = 936 (1) -> )lisp (dyn-cos 1.1) -Value =3D 0.45359612142557731 +Value = 0.45359612142557731 (1) -> [...] (2) -> DYN_-COS(1.0::DoubleFloat)$Lisp @@ -11442,43 +7772,10 @@ SExpression SExpression (4) -> ---=20 -DI Gernot Hueber -Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen -Altenbergerstr. 69 -4040 Linz -Tel +43 732 2468 7120 -Fax +43 732 2468 7126 -Email Gernot Hueber -Web www.riic.at - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G90uA-0002dJ-Kg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:44:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G90u8-0002cX-SV - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:44:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G90u7-0002bH-54 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:44:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G90u7-0002bE-1d - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:43:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=smtp-msa-out08.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G90xg-0001WE-Vt - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:47:41 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-95-155.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-95-155.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.92.155]) - by mwinf0802.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4496C1C0027C; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:43:39 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page +\start Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:43:30 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Subject: source tarballs on MathAction Hello, @@ -11488,37 +7785,11 @@ What about adding recent source tarballs on MathAction If I remember correctly I downloaded the axiom--windows--1 branch, in the past, from Linux (some difficulties to have a functional tla). -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G915l-00084s-Fz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:56:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G915j-00084Y-T0 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:55:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G915f-00083N-BZ - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:55:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G915f-00083K-3d - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:55:55 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G919E-0002jG-Tc - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:59:37 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k74EtUK0014776; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:55:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:55:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Martin, @@ -11549,44 +7820,12 @@ On August 4, 2006 4:43 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > fighting spam... > > (very sad that this is necessary) -> -> Martin -> -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G91OR-0007KD-Qh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:15:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G91OQ-0007Jm-8f - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:15:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G91OO-0007Iv-MB - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:15:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G91OO-0007Ip-FV - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:15:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G91Ry-0004tI-NU - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:18:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k74FFCcp009708 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:15:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:17:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books I have once tried "combine". But IIRC it only takes the \usepackage(s) from the first file. For the other files \usepackage just absorbs its @@ -11608,10 +7847,6 @@ an author could use anything she likes. Unfortunately, I am not very far with an implementation. What would people think about such an approach? -Ralf - - - On 08/04/2006 02:19 PM, C Y wrote: > There seem to be two main packages for taking complete individual latex > documents and combining them into larger ones (if I've missed an @@ -11625,47 +7860,12 @@ On 08/04/2006 02:19 PM, C Y wrote: > various pamphlets into a book" question, but I have no experience with > it (yet). Has anyone here happened to use it? Does it work fairly > well? -> -> Cheers, -> CY - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G91s6-0001Uy-Lq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:45:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G91s4-0001T6-QF - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:45:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G91s4-0001Sn-9n - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:45:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G91s3-0001Sh-VA - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:45:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G91ve-0007zQ-Gg - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:49:38 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k74FjURX024123 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:45:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10909 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 15:45:32 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Cliff Yapp; 4 Aug 2006 15:45:32 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k74Fbsp22076; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:37:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:37:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:17:57 +0200) -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books - <44D36525.9020005@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books look at src/doc/booklet @@ -11675,38 +7875,11 @@ this file reads chunknames and allows URLs such as and will insert foo inline. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G92Ox-0006jl-6V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:19:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G92Ov-0006jg-WF - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:19:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G92Ov-0006jU-6p - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:19:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G92Ou-0006jR-Vj - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:19:53 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G92SV-0006AB-O3 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:23:36 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k74GJocp010981 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:19:50 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:22:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: 'axiom-developer' Hi Bill, @@ -11735,36 +7908,11 @@ Ralf PS: Comparison, Programming, and Screenshots is wrongly indented on the Frontpage. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G92VT-00009n-Gz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G92VS-00009A-7I - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G92VQ-00008E-Hb - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G92VQ-000088-DA - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:26:36 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G92Z1-0006nJ-5G - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:30:19 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k74GQYcp011136 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:26:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:29:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: 'axiom-developer' I find it a bit strange to read "Bug Reports" under the heading "Try online". @@ -11772,39 +7920,11 @@ online". Same for "UnrelatedLinks" appearing under "Related Links". Sorry, but I even don't have a better idea. Somebody else perhaps? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G93iM-0003EA-Ko - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G93iL-0003Db-Ew - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G93iI-0003CH-V9 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G93iI-0003C2-Lv - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:43:58 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.192] (helo=web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G93lu-0005E6-8V - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:47:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7259 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2006 17:43:57 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=HmCht0BSaYuAHdwBHC486RbKv+hIyZjRUajHF0wOfeSm0fN7u+k8knFmigdlH3LeTjS9uNrOuSh7CI8BREf6p8TjzQXP0Ion6JWOXV3lYVVVTq3GjfQEUotbf98wNHdzVhme+ePQrmIw66oF8D8bKWixlL1tzweKVdDK6xsHZsk= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:43:57 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -11855,47 +7975,11 @@ something you could bind up and sell as a paper archive of a conference, and your work enables intelligent hyperlinking between dvi documents. Am I not understanding properly? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96VE-0006ef-PM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:42:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96VD-0006eO-F9 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:42:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96VB-0006do-JU - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:42:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G96VB-0006dh-EE - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:42:37 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G96Yo-0004MB-Ik - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:46:22 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k74KgVcp017565 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:42:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:45:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books - <44D36525.9020005@hemmecke.de> - <200608041537.k74Fbsp22076@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books What does that have to do with the problem that appears when different pamphlet files rely on different and maybe even conflicting latex packages? @@ -11903,9 +7987,6 @@ pamphlet files rely on different and maybe even conflicting latex packages? For code chunks your URL extension seems to make sense though. But we want both, documentation and code. -Ralf - - On 08/04/2006 05:37 PM, root wrote: > look at src/doc/booklet > @@ -11914,41 +7995,12 @@ On 08/04/2006 05:37 PM, root wrote: > <> > > and will insert foo inline. -> -> t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96np-0006qD-Gg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:01:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96no-0006pt-GC - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:01:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96nn-0006pJ-PJ - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:01:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G96nn-0006pC-Ih - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:01:51 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G96rQ-0006T3-Rv - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:05:37 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k74L1mcp019090 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:01:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:04:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books On 08/04/2006 07:43 PM, C Y wrote: > --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -12015,47 +8067,11 @@ appearing in a \usepackage of a different pamphlet. I have not tested whether they are really conflicting, but it pretty much looks like that and you surely find other examples. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96tq-0000JV-GB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96to-0000JN-Ti - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96tm-0000J2-B9 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G96tm-0000Iz-6I - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:02 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G96xO-0007Gf-Uc - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:11:48 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k74L7p2e002825 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:07:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3711 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 21:07:52 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 4 Aug 2006 21:07:52 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k74L05M22233; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:00:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:00:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:45:06 +0200) -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books - <44D36525.9020005@hemmecke.de> - <200608041537.k74Fbsp22076@localhost.localdomain> - <44D3B1D2.6080401@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books > What does that have to do with the problem that appears when different > pamphlet files rely on different and maybe even conflicting latex packages? @@ -12082,44 +8098,10 @@ header/trailer information and collect up the \usepackage information. It's only a simple prototype of the idea intended to allow us to play with various ways of combining pamphlets into a book form. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96u5-0000No-NI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96u4-0000Ne-5L - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G96tz-0000Mt-8z - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G96tz-0000Ml-1Q - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:08:15 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G96xc-0007HD-C9 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:12:00 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k74L8BaX026265 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:08:11 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 370b_9fe4a0a6_23fc_11db_8e07_001143376fda; - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:03:05 +0200 -Received: from frithjof.familie (p54B86895.dip.t-dialin.net [84.184.104.149]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k74L87pN022021 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:08:07 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=frithjof.familie) - by frithjof.familie with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1G96wZ-0003hx-39 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:10:55 +0200 -To: list Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:10:55 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze +From: Frithjof Schulze +To: list Subject: I would like to work Hello, @@ -12150,41 +8132,11 @@ some parts, to make the tutorial a better reading. Would that be welcomed? If yes, shall I post patches here or directly to Sourceforge or somewhere else? -Frithjof - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9739-00054I-FG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:17:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9737-00053R-7f - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:17:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9735-00053D-Sl - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:17:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9735-00053A-PS - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:17:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.29] (helo=mail209.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G976j-0008Gv-J7 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:21:25 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail209.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k74LHAYf002235; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:17:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:16:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Ralf, @@ -12229,84 +8181,19 @@ make this work first, I guess. :) Fixed. Thanks. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G978I-0007JT-Tt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:23:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G978G-0007Ij-Q0 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:23:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G978E-0007Hs-8y - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:22:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G978E-0007Ho-3Y - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:22:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G97Bq-0000L7-ID - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:26:44 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k74LMrmp011700 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:22:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18084 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 21:22:53 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 4 Aug 2006 21:22:53 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k74LF7A22260; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:15:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:15:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: list Is it possible to put the tutorial online where it can be edited? --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97Av-0000bN-MG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:25:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97At-0000Zn-Op - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:25:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97As-0000ZY-8o - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:25:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G97As-0000ZV-26 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G97EV-0000ge-V4 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:29:28 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k74LPTru021815 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:25:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21369 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 21:25:29 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 4 Aug 2006 21:25:29 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k74LHh422264; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:17:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:17:43 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: frithjof@minet.uni-jena.de - Schulze on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:10:55 +0200) +From: Tim Daly +To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: I would like to work -Cc: list This is the right place. @@ -12321,83 +8208,20 @@ cp Foo Foo.org diff -Naur Foo.org Foo >Foo.patch post the patch file -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97Vq-0002RI-Pd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:47:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97Vp-0002QS-Pd - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:47:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97Vl-0002PR-ET - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:47:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G97Vl-0002PO-7Z - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:47:17 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G97ZP-0003DA-3M - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:51:03 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k74LkhBr030342; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:47:13 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 6f97_01d26ba4_2402_11db_870a_001143376fda; - Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:41:37 +0200 -Received: from frithjof.familie (p54B86895.dip.t-dialin.net [84.184.104.149]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k74LkdpN023614 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:46:39 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=frithjof.familie) - by frithjof.familie with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1G97Xr-0002Wj-6d; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:49:27 +0200 +Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:49:27 +0200 +From: Frithjof Schulze To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - <200608042115.k74LF7A22260@localhost.localdomain> -Comments: In-reply-to root Tim Daly - message dated "Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:15:07 -0400." -Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:49:27 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze -Cc: list There is a version online that can be edited. But that seems to be an much older version than for example the one in the silver branch. -Frithjof - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97rU-0002zs-25 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:09:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97rS-0002zE-I0 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:09:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G97rQ-0002yT-Ns - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:09:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G97rQ-0002yN-Hf - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:09:40 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G97v4-00057H-Sw - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:13:27 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k74M9IB0032181; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:09:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:09:02 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:09:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On August 4, 2006 5:15 PM @@ -12408,38 +8232,11 @@ On August 4, 2006 5:15 PM Of course. But which one? And do we have the source somewhere? Or would someone have to re-key it? - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G98kY-0003XB-4c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:06:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G98kV-0003WU-Ne - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:06:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G98kT-0003WE-P0 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:06:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G98kT-0003WB-HC - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:06:33 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.38] (helo=eastrmmtao01.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G98o8-0001mN-8r - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:10:20 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmmtao01.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id - <20060804230627.RKLS12077.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net> - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:06:28 -0400 -From: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp +Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:06:50 -0400 +From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books -Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:06:50 -0400 - <44D3B663.8070106@hemmecke.de> - charset="iso-8859-1" On Friday 04 August 2006 5:04 pm, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -12502,78 +8299,17 @@ bugs to be fixed, as much as anything else. Yes. But it would be a benefit both to Axiom and to the wider LaTeX community to have such issues addressed. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G994k-00052c-HJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:27:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G994i-000502-0Z - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:27:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G994f-0004yd-Au - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:27:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G994e-0004yY-W3 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:27:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G998K-0003Pi-37 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:31:12 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k74NRAp1005492 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:27:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail 9315 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2006 23:27:10 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 4 Aug 2006 23:27:10 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k74NJOj22329; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:19:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:19:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -Cc: list src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G99vX-0007Y9-7t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:22:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G99vW-0007Xu-4B - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:22:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G99vU-0007Xe-Hg - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:22:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G99vU-0007XZ-Ba - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:22:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G99z9-0007cD-T2 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:25:48 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k750Luln022158 - for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:21:56 -0400 -Received: (qmail 492 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 00:21:56 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 5 Aug 2006 00:21:56 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k750EAC18225; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:14:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:14:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: vacation @@ -12582,36 +8318,10 @@ and won't have net access (New Jersey is still in the dark ages wrt internet). I hope to make great strides on Axiom, cause isn't that what vacation is for? :-) -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9BtP-0004mG-CP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:27:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9BtO-0004mB-BB - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:27:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9BtL-0004lk-RM - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:27:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9BtL-0004lf-PM - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:27:55 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Bx2-0003iv-J3 - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:31:44 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k752RVVH029241; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:27:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:27:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: axiom tutorial online Tim, @@ -12692,39 +8402,11 @@ http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/axiom/tutorial.pdf I think it could be easily adapted for use as a set of easialy updated tutorial web pages on the wiki. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9C65-0002MW-Pp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:41:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9C63-0002Kn-Uy - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:41:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9C62-0002Jf-Dr - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:41:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9C62-0002JS-AD - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:41:02 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9C9j-0004eQ-4r - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:44:51 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k752edqc031314; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:40:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly, +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly, Frithjof Schulze Subject: RE: I would like to work Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:40:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Tim, @@ -12779,44 +8461,15 @@ I guess we should make some kind of effort to coordinate this and make sure everything is upto date and in sync before deciding how best to proceed with large scale edits. No? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9CXT-0003GA-De - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:09:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9CXS-0003G1-6X - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:09:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9CXO-0003ET-HL - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:09:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9CXO-0003EQ-Bh - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:09:18 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.227] (helo=S1.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Cb5-0006b4-EV - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:13:07 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.116.73.175]) - by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 69620848 - for multiple; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:09:35 -0700 -To: 'axiom-developer' -Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Jay Belanger - Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:09:09 -0500 - Reis's message of "01 Aug 2006 06:40:11 +0200") -Cc: - +From: Jay Belanger +To: list +Subject: Re: Front page esthetic Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: ... > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an example > | Axiom output graphic. @@ -12842,36 +8495,11 @@ front page looked like, but I recall thinking it looked a bit unfriendly. (Of course, my memory may be wrong.) Now I think it looks great! -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9CwY-0004aW-Ss - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:35:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9CwW-0004aL-UY - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:35:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9CwU-0004Yu-Td - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:35:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9CwU-0004Yq-Nv - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:35:14 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9D0C-0008BN-3A - for list; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:39:04 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k753YWPa005794; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:34:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +\start +Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:34:05 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Jay Belanger Subject: RE: Front page esthetic -Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:34:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' On August 4, 2006 11:09 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > @@ -12945,46 +8573,11 @@ I am glad you are here. Your comments are very much appreciated. Yes, it has gone through quite a few revisions over the last 6 months and it is still evolving. It is a community effort. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9DMS-0007MT-2P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:02:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9DMQ-0007LD-Io - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:02:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9DMO-0007L1-81 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:02:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9DMO-0007Ky-0p - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:02:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9DQ5-0001eQ-HY - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:05:49 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7541hkh026362 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:01:43 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27403 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 04:01:44 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 5 Aug 2006 04:01:44 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k753rxD15866; - Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:54:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:54:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes - (Alfredo Portes) Subject: Re: Doyen Wiki -Cc: list, doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net Jose, @@ -13026,45 +8619,11 @@ is moving at a glacial pace due to multitasking. I'm going on vacation next week and I'll try to get an example working if time permits (which it never does). -Tim - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dfi-00079S-66 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:21:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dfg-00078o-OD - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:21:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dff-00078D-6N - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:21:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9Dff-00078A-3P - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:21:55 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9DjM-00036n-W4 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:25:45 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k754LfOu026754 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:21:41 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27303 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 04:21:42 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 5 Aug 2006 04:21:42 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k754Dwf16721; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:13:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:13:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:16:01 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Translation of the interp to lisp -Cc: list > 2. I noticed a lot of implementation specific code having to do with > things like (system:getenv $AXIOM) - is the plan to write some generic @@ -13073,44 +8632,12 @@ Cc: list Any luck identifying GCL-specific code and writing "generic macros"? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Din-00080C-9C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:25:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dim-0007zc-1i - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:25:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dik-0007yh-Iq - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:25:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9Dik-0007ye-5F - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:25:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9DmO-0003EW-BZ - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:28:56 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k754OuUv027032 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:24:56 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27778 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 04:24:57 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Aug 2006 04:24:57 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k754HDm16860; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:17:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:17:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: jason@ohloh.net - Jason Allen on Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:31:52 -0700) - <15220649-C57C-4790-9B3B-A581046A3F71@ohloh.net> -Cc: list, info@ohloh.net +From: Tim Daly +To: Jason Allen Subject: Re: axiom entry +Cc: Scott Collison > Moving forward, could you please let me know whether you'd prefer we > never list Axiom again or wait until we have your new and updated @@ -13131,41 +8658,10 @@ it hurts the Axiom project to list it as "unchanged for 2 years". Please list us but please take the time to get it right. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dz9-0005us-87 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:42:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dz7-0005u6-Bb - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:42:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Dz2-0005s1-Ou - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:42:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9Dz2-0005ru-Fd - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:41:56 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9E2k-0004YX-FO - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:45:46 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k754fiL3005204 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:41:48 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5343 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 04:41:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 5 Aug 2006 04:41:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k754Y1917612; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:34:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 00:34:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com -Cc: list, doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net +From: Tim Daly +To: William Stein Subject: download SAGE I just saw your request at the bottom of your homepage @@ -13198,44 +8694,10 @@ We hope to demonstrate this ability at the next ISSAC conference. It might be interesting to put the SAGE technology behind the browser and have Axiom as one of the back-end components. -Tim Daly -Axiom Lead Developer - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9EbI-0004ha-Ai - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:21:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9EbG-0004gS-Ju - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:21:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9EbG-0004gG-0E - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:21:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9EbF-0004gD-UU - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:21:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Eey-00078n-Fo - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:25:16 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k755LCxR015733 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:21:12 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28803 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 05:21:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Aug 2006 05:21:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k755DTa18822; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:13:29 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:13:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: moreno@scl.csd.uwo.ca, xli96@csd.uwo.ca - Marc Moreno Maza on Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:01:44 -0400) - <20060730020144.GC28938@ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca> -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Marc Moreno Maza, Xin Li Subject: Re: code Marc, @@ -13244,44 +8706,10 @@ Sorry for the delay but I had to catch up on the weeks worth of work that I didn't do at ISSAC. I have the files and will look at integrating them into Axiom. -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9EcT-00053b-1j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:22:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9EcQ-00052I-LM - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:22:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9EcP-00051t-NL - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9EcP-00051V-Au - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:22:37 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Eg7-0007CO-Of - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:26:27 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k755MJgN000953 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:22:23 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29859 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 05:22:20 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Aug 2006 05:22:20 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k755Ebo18868; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:14:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:14:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: moreno@scl.csd.uwo.ca, xli96@csd.uwo.ca - Marc Moreno Maza on Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:01:44 -0400) - <20060730020144.GC28938@ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca> -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Marc Moreno Maza, Xin Li Subject: Re: code Marc, @@ -13292,48 +8720,11 @@ Marc, I copied the mailing list since I have no idea about an ICMS talk. Did you ever get a reply to this request? -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Eg7-0005xD-Aj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:26:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Eg5-0005ws-7a - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:26:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Eg3-0005wd-RG - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:26:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9Eg3-0005wW-Kw - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:26:23 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Eji-0007QX-Gj - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:30:14 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k755QDp7001529 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:26:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30527 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 05:26:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Aug 2006 05:26:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k755IUr19017; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:18:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:18:30 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 30 Jul 2006 19:47:31 +0200) Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607301647.k6UGlWP20600@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | patched. fixed in the next release. --t > | @@ -13341,49 +8732,14 @@ Cc: list > > Then, please could send a patch to the list? - I now have a working subversion and will look at keeping silver up to date with patches (but not testing it thoroughly due to time) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9F4g-0007Id-1C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:51:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9F4e-0007HE-L0 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:51:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9F4c-0007Fy-1e - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:51:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9F4b-0007Fv-SZ - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:51:45 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9F8K-0000UA-FZ - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:55:36 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k755pcpX019198 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:51:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11271 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 05:51:39 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Aug 2006 05:51:39 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k755hu520508; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:43:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 01:43:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: frithjof@minet.uni-jena.de - Schulze on Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:49:27 +0200) +From: Tim Daly +To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - <200608042115.k74LF7A22260@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list I've asked Bill Page to put the tutorial up on the wiki. It should be possible to edit it there. @@ -13391,38 +8747,11 @@ If you manage to change it there you'll be the first to try the idea of maintaining the sources directly from the wiki rather than from a CVS/TLA/SVN/DARCS pile. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9J5R-0006QF-GK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:08:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9J5P-0006Na-Ex - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:08:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9J5N-0006Jy-En - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:08:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9J5N-0006Js-C6 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:08:49 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9J98-0003Gr-Er - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:12:42 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k75A8ccp000720 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:08:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:11:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: I would like to work -Cc: list > See my previous email about the > @@ -13470,40 +8799,11 @@ We currently have more branches of Axiom than we have developers. And even worse, all these branches are quite badly documented what they are worth for. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9JVN-0007VU-IM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:35:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9JVL-0007TX-Gb - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:35:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9JVK-0007SF-7f - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:35:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9JVK-0007S7-22 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:35:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9JZ5-0005JH-Ce - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:39:31 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k75AZZcp001103 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:35:35 +0200 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:38:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books - <200608041906.50208.Cliff Yapp> -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books >> Oh, that might be true. But what does that help if you want to combine >> pamphlets from different authors who use conflicting latex packages??? @@ -13547,43 +8847,11 @@ work and then suddenly it becomes useful for others. The was probably only a question that the package need to be compatible with packages that the original author used. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9JqK-00079t-3O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:57:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9JqI-00079o-HD - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:57:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9JqE-00079c-RF - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:57:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9JqE-00079Z-Lz - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:57:14 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.233] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Ju0-0007Ge-7A - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:01:08 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so233667wxc - for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:57:13 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=heHQ64NIGgzOuONIEss5iyJuDOYNZqkm6ccTSlipAjrh4O0vS4fni8e+Qq+EagADDCy6uR8VueO8jClmEC1L6pmBel1nsnezn/waMpJVpwjJy3OZrenw+vLSI1OwyZwbur2sqJoTWFHbkPJbl4XC5/TCo2QyzTZEPNHSK9boNo4= -Received: by 10.70.21.8 with SMTP id 8mr3710856wxu; - Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:57:13 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 03:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:57:13 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Antoine Hersen +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: I would like to work - boundary="----=_Part_82312_6599175.1154775433427" - <44D46EC8.5020904@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list - -------=_Part_82312_6599175.1154775433427 > > I guess we should make some kind of effort to coordinate this > > and make sure everything is upto date and in sync before deciding @@ -13655,60 +8923,11 @@ SVN work on all system *nix/Win/Mac What do you think ? -Regards -Antoine Hersen - -------=_Part_82312_6599175.1154775433427 - -
> I guess we should make some kind of effort to coordinate this
> and make sure everything is upto date and in sync before deciding -
> how best to proceed with large scale edits. No?

Yes. Now we have Gold=stable, Silver=unstable, and several testing
branches. See http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSources - .
The tutorial should be edited on one of the testing branches (either on
http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/ or on a specially
created branch on SVN). -

To honor the spirit of competition I have decided to create a Bronze branch.
The Bronze branch will collect all code deleted or modified from the Gold and Silver branch plus original addition.
-The intent is to have a more lively version of Axiom away from all the restriction of cold mathematical logic.

-I must say, I would like to see axiom--test--1 kept in sync with a
branch on our sourceforge archive. I have no idea whether that is easy
to achive, but it would avoid questions like "Where is the most
up-to-date source that I should edit?". -

That is one of the main advantage of the Bronze branch no need to stay in sync it will have is own rhythm.

-The tla branch book--main--1 on http://axiom-developer.org/archive/axiom
should be merged to the testing branch on SVN and then *REMOVED*.
Look at book--main--1. It does not contain the other axiom sources and -
when I first found out, I was confused about the
src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet appearing in axiom--main--1 and the same file
in book--main--1. Cannot we just have book-main--1 in a subdirectory of
the ordinary Axiom/Gold/Silver/Testing? Nobody cares if the other -
volumes are not yet written, but it would be easier to know where to
edit. And merging would proably also be easier.

Any other opinions about this?

I think the solution is more SCM therefore the bronze branch will use  Linux last creation git ( -http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/200504-git.html.en )
If it is good for the kernel it is good for axiom.

-We currently have more branches of Axiom than we have developers. And
even worse, all these branches are quite badly documented what they are
worth for.

The problem is not has much as the number of branch is that they are all over the place. -

Could we all agree to use only one SCM at least.
I will advocate for SVN has I am so far quite pleased with it. Also SVK make it possible for people who work of line to do so easly.

The biggest advande I see is that all work will be visible for everybody. -
And we should be able to use well understood concept of branching and tagging to make release a clear and manageable process.

The online literate version of Axiom will just be one branch and even maybe one should be able to choose wich version/branche to be use. -

Also SVN is surely on his way to remplace CVS and therefore offer us a large choice of project host if needed.

SVN work on all system *nix/Win/Mac

What do you think ?

Regards
Antoine Hersen -


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Oh, and I clicked onto [create this page]. Why does there pop up a password window? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9KbP-0007ZR-Rq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:45:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9KbO-0007ZM-Ag - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:45:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9KbM-0007ZA-WC - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:45:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9KbM-0007Z4-Ma - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:45:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Kf8-0001Iu-QV - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:49:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A6240E27; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:45:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k75Bjl86012720; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:45:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k75Bjl6E012719; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:45:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 05 Aug 2006 13:45:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Problem building SIlver Axiom on Gentoo Linux - <200606231746.k5NHkFx14007@localhost.localdomain> - - <200607301647.k6UGlWP20600@localhost.localdomain> - - <200608050518.k755IUr19017@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Aug 2006 13:45:47 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | patched. fixed in the next release. --t | > | @@ -13836,46 +9019,12 @@ That is great! Please, also send them to the list. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9LF6-0004Qk-9P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:27:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9LF4-0004QD-0b - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:26:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9LF2-0004PY-MD - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:26:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9LF2-0004PU-Ev - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:26:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9LIp-0006Cp-2Q - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:30:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC8740E35; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:26:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k75CQmGQ013432; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:26:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k75CQmLr013431; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:26:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Aug 2006 14:26:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Toplevel Makefile.dvi - -Hi Tim, - The toplevel Makefile.dvi gets copied in the installation directory twice: @@ -13906,53 +9055,12 @@ twice: fi ) @cp Makefile.dvi ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src - -Isn't that a bug? - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9MBi-0000GB-JK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:27:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9MBg-0000FQ-F4 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:27:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9MBf-0000Ec-1A - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:27:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9MBe-0000EX-Ug - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:27:30 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9MFR-0003t1-IU - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:31:26 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k75DRQf5028248 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:27:26 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 315b_6b9324c4_2485_11db_8f32_001143376fda; - Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:22:18 +0200 -Received: from frithjof.familie (p54B85C03.dip.t-dialin.net [84.184.92.3]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k75DRJpN016464 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:27:20 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=frithjof.familie) - by frithjof.familie with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1G9MEC-0004aj-7S - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:30:08 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:30:08 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze +From: Frithjof Schulze +To: list Subject: patches ---=-=-= - -Hi, - here are some minor modifications of bookvol1 and ComputerTutorial. In bookvol1 there were two nearly identical sections about the "%" @@ -13969,11 +9077,6 @@ to skip sections and finally was out of it. I would like to splice those sections in where they belong or remove them. Is that an acceptable policy? -Frithjof - - ---=-=-= - --- bookvol1.org.pamphlet 2006-08-02 14:16:49.000000000 +0200 +++ bookvol1.pamphlet 2006-08-05 01:59:19.734104296 +0200 @@ -421,6 +421,11 @@ @@ -14856,46 +9959,11 @@ Frithjof document: @echo 10 documenting ${SRC}/doc ---=-=-=-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9NpL-0006JF-Se - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:12:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9NpK-0006HL-2j - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:12:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9NpJ-0006Ga-8l - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:12:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9NpJ-0006GV-6a - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:12:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Nt7-0000Kw-7H - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:16:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDED140E38 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:12:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k75FCO17014715 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:12:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k75FCO2V014714; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:12:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 05 Aug 2006 17:12:24 +0200 -Subject: [build-improvements] Support traditional build - commands - - -Hi, +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] Support traditional build commands This patchlet adds support for the traditional @@ -15097,38 +10165,11 @@ Tested on i686-suse-linux and i686-redhat-linux. \end{document} - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9O47-0005j6-Uy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:27:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9O46-0005ip-44 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:27:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9O43-0005iG-Qk - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:27:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9O43-0005i6-Fu - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:27:47 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.183] (helo=web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9O7r-0001Oj-H2 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:31:43 -0400 -Received: (qmail 54615 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2006 15:27:46 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=tXYOhumyhpUvdFJXrtYMtW6yNg02aojXUYndSJ73EAeAkLQ1JHSrnR5fQDSvGFGHL/fMPyQhyWINuXIxn/dNI6ZroYHAwB4vdAD0oWEbqZ/Xu0WJP2hHHJ4OGqFt9DNLr06n5mF00m/xBktRAFBYc2+RNImQ+19gMsjqrq92iNQ= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:27:46 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Translation of the interp to lisp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list - ---- root Tim Daly wrote: > > 2. I noticed a lot of implementation specific code having to do > > with things like (system:getenv $AXIOM) - is the plan to write some @@ -15822,43 +10863,11 @@ VMLISP::LEXGREATERP)) FOAM::|printSFloat| FOAM::|printBInt| - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9OKo-0002s3-LD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:45:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9OKn-0002rx-0b - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:45:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9OKj-0002rW-Hp - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:45:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9OKj-0002rS-8Q - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:45:01 -0400 -Received: from [68.142.201.188] (helo=web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9OOX-0003I2-H7 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:48:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 8020 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2006 15:45:00 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=uz/nzqR0Htk69QqZnywD/OJSb99XmVmliP+D78Q6sL1cbKJKdZtkbm+oPsNgtxc3/zD78csKgxdWh+N/NlkfOnHVedklnXcV0KFuV7Ky1ilv12lpvhFwX+9XV4pgtwNkwgnhOJjAx8N1F3n8bdgB7K4S+PM5Ox1eAUf2t3L+j7Q= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:45:00 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple - individual files in books To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Some latex packages that may help with multiple individual files in books --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -15923,49 +10932,11 @@ like automatic line breaking are still imperfectly solved, at best. Anyway. It's possible I am underestimating the difficulties involved, but the only way to know for sure is experimentation. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9QY6-0007pk-UR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:06:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9QY5-0007pX-L7 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:06:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9QY3-0007pL-3W - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:06:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9QY2-0007pI-V6 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:06:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Qbs-0007SQ-KF - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:10:52 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k75I6fOP031533 - for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:06:49 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6342 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 18:06:41 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Aug 2006 18:06:41 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k75HwqK24283; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:58:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 13:58:52 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:27:46 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Translation of the interp to lisp -Cc: list > A question Tim, if I may. In looking at sys-pkg.lisp, it seems like > there are a rather large number of import and export commands contained @@ -15988,45 +10959,10 @@ unmaintained. I think they should transfer the programmer who wrote it to a non-lisp related job or (equivalently) lift his license to program. In short, it is a hack and will go away in the rewrite. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9UIt-0005fG-P3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:07:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9UIs-0005fB-Od - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:07:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9UIq-0005dk-WE - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:07:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9UIq-0005dh-Tb - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:07:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9UMj-00039F-4K - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:11:29 -0400 -Received: from pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca - (pd5mr7so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.183]) by l-daemon - (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) - with ESMTP id <0J3J00K2SPGF8D80@l-daemon> for - list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:07:27 -0600 (MDT) -Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) - by pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 - (built Mar - 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J3J00GELPGF4H60@pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for - list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:07:27 -0600 (MDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([24.68.119.85]) - by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 - 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J3J005QLPGEMLU0@l-daemon> for - list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:07:26 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <44D5169E.60804@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: tex to mathml Hello, @@ -16041,36 +10977,11 @@ My question is what license I should use? My first inclination is to use the GPL except that axiom is released under the BSD license. Does it make any difference? -Arthur Ralfs - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Us9-00011P-8j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:43:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Us7-00011K-DH - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:43:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9Us2-0000zn-Qb - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:43:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9Us2-0000zj-Nm - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:43:50 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9Uvv-0005WV-8I - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:47:51 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k75MhNP9010445; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:43:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: tex to mathml +\start Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:43:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: tex to mathml On August 5, 2006 6:07 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: > @@ -16099,46 +11010,12 @@ Axiom. In my opinion definitely GPL, but no it does really make much difference. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9W6i-0007Rp-GE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:03:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9W6g-0007R7-UH - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:03:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9W6e-0007QS-G7 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:03:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9W6e-0007QM-8q - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:03:00 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9WAW-0001R5-RP - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:07:01 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7602mcp020295 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 6 Aug 2006 02:02:49 +0200 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:04:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-dev -Cc: Subject: rhxtangle -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------010907050400000300040807 - Hi Gaby, it turned out that it is not totally easy to mimic the behaviour of @@ -16147,9 +11024,6 @@ notangle, in particular if multiline chunks have to be indented correctly. Below you find rhxtangle.pl.pamphlet. I hope you find it useful to drop the initial noweb dependency for the configuration phase of Axiom. -Ralf - - --------------010907050400000300040807 name="rhxtangle.pl.pamphlet" filename="rhxtangle.pl.pamphlet" @@ -16661,35 +11535,10 @@ sub tab2spc { \end{document} --------------010907050400000300040807-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9WHc-0003lB-Fp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:14:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9WHa-0003kx-VG - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:14:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9WHY-0003jx-SV - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:14:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9WHY-0003jn-LM - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:14:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9WLS-0002Vd-14 - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:18:18 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k760EEcp020454 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 02:14:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:17:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: pamphlet problems In order to remove the need to distribute a version of noweb with Axiom, @@ -16712,47 +11561,11 @@ the .spad extension is quite misleading. There are more files under src/doc that happen to have no <<*>> chunk, but the above .spad file looks most strange. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9WXW-0000Me-Vl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:30:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9WXV-0000M5-0j - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:30:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9WXS-0000Lr-GL - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:30:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9WXS-0000Lo-Bm - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:30:42 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9WbL-0003Sx-Rt - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:34:44 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k760UdDN030469 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:30:39 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k760UdW2030466; - Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:30:39 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:30:39 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: Re: tex to mathml - list - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="llIrKcgUOe3dCx0c" - moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list - - ---llIrKcgUOe3dCx0c Arthur Ralfs [Arthur Ralfs] wrote: > Hello, @@ -16784,55 +11597,13 @@ other people, it becomes difficult to change the license because contributors generally contribute with an understanding of the current license, and you'd have to get their permission to change licenses. --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---llIrKcgUOe3dCx0c - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE1TgvjwioWRGe9K0RAgXXAKDkZdfVXgtfuYHQ7GpUpsA8lzF0tQCg43XB -0ZinZ+bofG7ZHQTrUEsLAJQ= -=2wde ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---llIrKcgUOe3dCx0c-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9YWc-0002wJ-4k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:37:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9YWb-0002wA-2q - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:37:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9YWa-0002vq-9L - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:37:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9YWa-0002vn-4L - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:37:56 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.229] (helo=S3.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9YaU-0005Up-Oe - for list; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:41:59 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.116.73.175]) - by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 69715740 - for multiple; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:37:52 -0700 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -From: Jay Belanger +\start Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:37:50 -0500 - "Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:34:05 -0400") -Cc: 'axiom-developer' - +From: Jay Belanger +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Front page esthetic -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: ... >> ... >> > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an @@ -16900,43 +11671,11 @@ But I guess that's just me. Yes, but you seem to be in charge of the community effort. So let me add my voice to all the thanks you've been getting! -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9eLy-0002IB-0o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:51:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9eLv-0002Gc-5g - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:51:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9eLt-0002G5-TC - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:51:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9eLt-0002Fn-NC - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.235] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9ePr-00064q-Un - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:55:24 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so339783wxc - for ; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 01:51:16 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Mu7IkNjAdUJndlc104By7QGPdv6+SE0ozFs9wdYLl49TjPpanlQ9S/T3zEZjPBXbufO667Rqv3H4dBRdZw2P+XQAYQtLA9YlXFw43VFntCiM6K+IfwHjGIRlfeK3KJK/C0mRocfTM3VZkd+TlqxHL2SB8HmaKYN15cU8mjJDZdQ= -Received: by 10.70.15.15 with SMTP id 15mr7074681wxo; - Sun, 06 Aug 2006 01:51:15 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.70.132.20 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 01:51:15 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 10:51:15 +0200 -From: "Antoine Hersen" Antoine Hersen +From: Antoine Hersen To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Front page esthetic - boundary="----=_Part_88517_19069567.1154854275581" - <87zmeioagx.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: axiom-developer - -------=_Part_88517_19069567.1154854275581 Hello, @@ -16953,7 +11692,7 @@ Antoine Hersen On 8/6/06, Jay Belanger wrote: > > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > >> ... > >> > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an @@ -17020,75 +11759,13 @@ On 8/6/06, Jay Belanger wrote: > > Yes, but you seem to be in charge of the community effort. So let me > add my voice to all the thanks you've been getting! -> -> Jay -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -------=_Part_88517_19069567.1154854275581 - -Hello,

About the example on the front page. It is astehetic but the type result is almost the equivalent to any.

I do not have super good replament idea.
But I will proprose some Taylor expansion maybe ?
-
Regards,
Antoine Hersen


On 8/6/06, Jay Belanger <Jay Belanger> wrote:
-
"Bill Page" <Bill Page> writes:
...
>> ...
>> > | 2) The Axiom Wiki FrontPage has more graphics including an -
>> > |    example Axiom output graphic.
>> >
>> > That, from my perspective, contributes to the "visual load".
>>
>> I agree with this,
>
> :( Well, I really like the example ... in fact I have even given -
> a wild thought to how we might make the from page choose randomly
> between a large set of similar examples so that a visitor might
> be treated to a new one at each visit ...

That's a pretty neat idea. -

> I still don't know what is meant by the phrase "visual load".

Too many things calling for their attention at the same time.
This doesn't seem to be a problem anymore.

>> but what's more, I don't think that linking "Try Axiom" to the -
>> SandBox is that helpful.
>
> Really??! As far as I can see this is actually one of the most
> frequently used wiki features of this web site.

That just means that people want to try Axiom out than add anything to -
the wiki.

>> If a visitor to the webpage wants to give Axiom a quick try,
>> sending them to a lengthy discussion of the sandbox might be
>> discouraging.
>
> Perhaps it is verbose but it does not seem to be very discouraging -
> given the number of quick tries that we record.

Well, then, I'm wrong.  It would discourage me, but perhaps the
typical visitor is more wiki savvy than I am.

>> Perhaps a link to a "Trying Axiom" page which has a couple of -
>> lines of how to try it out might be helpful.  I'd be happy to
>> give it a shot myself, if desired.
>
> Yes, I think it is very desirable. Please give it a try.

Okay, but according to your numbers, it isn't very important. -

>> I think a link to a page which interactively runs Axiom would
>> be more desirable: Yacas has something
>> like that (Yacas runs in a Java applet:
>> -http://yacas.sourceforge.net/yacasconsole.html)
>>  and Maxima does also (http://math.msarnoff.org/).
>
> To me these interfaces seem trivial and nearly useless. But if we -
> really do want something like this then it is easily done.

If I want to try out a command line program (like Axiom), I'd like to
just enter a command and see what happens, rather than edit a wiki.
But I guess that's just me. -

> Yes, it has gone through quite a few revisions over the last
> 6 months and it is still evolving. It is a community effort.

Yes, but you seem to be in charge of the community effort.  So let me
-add my voice to all the thanks you've been getting!

Jay


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All makefiles are @@ -18519,40 +13165,11 @@ Name: svn:eol-style Name: svn:keywords -Author Date Id Revision - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9gwM-0000ZF-0p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:37:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9gwJ-0000Xm-5V - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:37:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9gwI-0000Wo-2k - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:37:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9gwH-0000WV-N5 - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:37:01 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9h0H-0001rK-L9 - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:41:09 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k76BagW1016329 - for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:36:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30735 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2006 11:36:42 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 6 Aug 2006 11:36:42 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k76BT0C32134; - Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:29:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 07:29:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: boothby@u.washington.edu, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net +Cc: Tom Boothby Subject: SAGE and Axiom This is a reply from the SAGE people. @@ -18574,7 +13191,7 @@ Tim ------- Start of forwarded message ------- > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:56:25 -0700 (PDT) -> From: boothby@u.washington.edu +> From: Tom Boothby > To: sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > cc: Tim Daly > Subject: Re: Fwd: Axiom point of view... @@ -18598,8 +13215,8 @@ Tim > ------- Forwarded message ------- -> From: root Tim Daly -> To: wstein@gmail.com +> From: Tim Daly +> To: William Stein > Cc: list, doyencd-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, Alfredo Portes > Subject: download SAGE > Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:34:01 -0700 @@ -18680,54 +13297,12 @@ Tim > > I'm going on vacation next week and I'll try to get an example working > if time permits (which it never does). -> -> Tim -> - -------- End of forwarded message ------- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9mz5-00069v-MR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:04:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9lQU-0007yq-Kx - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:24:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9lQU-0007ye-BJ - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:24:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9lQU-0007ya-2Q - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:24:30 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9lUT-0000lM-OD - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:28:41 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k76GONoA004620 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) - for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:24:23 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k76GONcv004617 - for list; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:24:23 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f + +\start Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:24:23 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: list Subject: Re: tex to mathml - <44D55155.1040903@shaw.ca> <20060806031300.GH15038@mcelrath.org> - <44D5967A.2090507@shaw.ca> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jsrFa/5v3cIbBmG8" - clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org - - ---jsrFa/5v3cIbBmG8 - - ---IihjUyvzd0n5Ehsu Arthur Ralfs [Arthur Ralfs] wrote: > I wrote a wrapper in C which connects to axiom via pipes, basically @@ -18768,14 +13343,6 @@ installed) Perhaps it will give you some ideas... Perhaps the SAGE people would like to look at this too... --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---IihjUyvzd0n5Ehsu H4sIAAqi1UQAA+xaW3fbRpLOs35FG5oIpAWCBHgVaTpjy3aiXcv2Wso6c2SNDgg0SUQgwAVA UYqk/75fVTcu1Dibl8lezlnaIoHq6rp13bqBeThPWt5tmKy++9M+HXyG/T79OsN+p/5LH6fb @@ -20073,50 +14640,14 @@ aPY6ZZBeM6kmWH7j17u31PhxH59PogK+llnRjtrXsW5TGHGa07VflNUJHVt+mX1OhuyCDTDp PBuk6Qc+EcPpzCWNOYQlx0zgJwIpuM+HthAV03j/m/+4fW6f2+f2uX1un9vn9rl9bp/b5/a5 fW6f2+f2uX1un9vn9rl9bp/b5/a5fW6f2+f2uX1un9vn9rl9bp/bZ/Hzv8Ucz1EAwAMA ---IihjUyvzd0n5Ehsu-- - ---jsrFa/5v3cIbBmG8 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE1he3jwioWRGe9K0RAsxvAJ47vyrkjKhyeWbJZnteOQsAhKWP1wCeKmZX -1NtCa8U3HJmjSaG5JTEwB1Q= -=VaHV ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---jsrFa/5v3cIbBmG8-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9naP-0004Bm-BP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:42:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9naO-0004AG-Ct - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:42:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9naM-00047I-LZ - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:42:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9naM-00047B-HD - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:42:50 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G9neQ-0001yy-Jz - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:47:02 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k76IgIL2019234; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:42:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: -Subject: RE: SAGE and Axiom +\start Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:42:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: boothby@u.washington.edu, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: RE: SAGE and Axiom +Cc: Tom Boothby -On Sat 5 Aug 2006 23:56:25 -0700 (PDT) boothby@u.washington.edu wrote: +On Sat 5 Aug 2006 23:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Tom Boothby wrote: > Subject: Re: Fwd: Axiom point of view... > @@ -20175,49 +14706,12 @@ this wiki interface with the rest of the Axiom build environment. So I am very interested to hear your ideas about how this sort of thing should work. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9qkC-0000Kx-51 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:05:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9qkA-0000KK-LC - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:05:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1G9qk9-0000K0-Q3 - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G9qk9-0000Jx-HJ - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9qoF-0007dh-DF - for list; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:09:23 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803C740E85 - for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 00:05:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k76M4uAU027949 - for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 00:04:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k76M4uwj027948; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 00:04:56 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Aug 2006 00:04:56 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Rename INSTALL to DESTDIR - -Hi, - The current toplevel makefile uses the variable INSTALL to designate the prefix of the installation directory. That usage does not seem common; at least, it clashes with the classical meaning of INSTALL in @@ -20311,34 +14805,11 @@ Tested on an i686-pc-linux-gnu. @echo PATH='$${AXIOM}/bin':'$${PATH}' >>${COMMAND} @echo export PATH >>${COMMAND} - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GACJD-0003Cx-4g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:06:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GACJB-0003Ci-1q - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:06:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GACJ9-0003CW-Hn - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:06:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GACJ9-0003CT-Br - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:06:43 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GACNS-0001aQ-Mm - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:11:10 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k77L6KHO011572; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:06:35 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Antoine Hersen'" Antoine Hersen -Subject: RE: Front page esthetic Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:06:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Antoine Hersen +Subject: RE: Front page esthetic > On 8/6/06, Jay Belanger wrote: > ... @@ -20374,39 +14845,11 @@ favourite Axiom calculations that Axiom users would like to see on the FrontPage. Send your examples and I will see if I can find a way to select them at random. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GACP0-0004t5-4C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:12:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GACOx-0004sM-RR - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:12:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GACOv-0004qk-8N - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:12:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GACOv-0004qh-2d - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:12:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GACTE-0002C7-LU - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:17:08 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k77LCKou017732; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:12:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: pamphlet problems Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:12:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: pamphlet problems Ralf, @@ -20422,41 +14865,11 @@ axiom. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GADvr-0001XD-6y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:50:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GADvp-0001Wx-0x - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:50:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GADvm-0001Wl-OI - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:50:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GADvm-0001Wi-Lr - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:50:42 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAE06-0001WY-RB - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:55:11 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k77Mob3A020982 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:50:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:53:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: pamphlet problems -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Well, that @@ -20497,39 +14910,12 @@ On 08/07/2006 11:12 PM, Bill Page wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAGTc-0007n0-Sc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:33:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAGTa-0007m5-5P - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:33:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAGTW-0007kj-Ld - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:33:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAGTW-0007ke-IE - for list; 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Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:56:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAGpj-0001nr-Vm - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:56:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAGpj-0001nW-Ba - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:56:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAGpj-0001nR-6f - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:56:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAGu5-0007eB-BI - for list; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:01:09 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k781uFCn026878; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:56:29 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: pamphlet problems Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:56:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: pamphlet problems Ralf, @@ -20701,39 +15036,11 @@ token.pamphlet:<>= BTW, I am still curious about "my Silver/build-improvement version". Is this a new version of noweb? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAJX1-0008N3-HT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:49:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAJX0-0008Mj-2A - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:49:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAJWx-0008IY-Oz - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:49:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAJWx-0008I8-Ck - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:49:27 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAJbK-0001wF-TQ - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:53:59 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k784mcOT009584; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:48:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Frithjof Schulze'" -Subject: RE: patches Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:48:17 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Frithjof Schulze +Subject: RE: patches Frithjof, @@ -20789,41 +15096,11 @@ to encourage you (and others) to continue to make these changes. As the saying goes: Be Bold! You contributions will be greatly appreciated by all. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAMU5-0005dh-TV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:58:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAMU4-0005bm-EY - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:58:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAMU2-0005aM-Qg - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:58:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAMU2-0005aB-Kv - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:58:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAMYS-0008BG-5s - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:03:12 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k787wZ3A009841 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:58:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:01:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: patches -Cc: list > I would like to ask the other Axiom Developers for their opinion > about how best to handle these sort of changes to documentation in @@ -20842,74 +15119,22 @@ more a mess than they are in axiom--main--1. Reduce the number of different repositories! -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAMd8-00028Q-QI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:08:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAMd5-00026b-A9 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:07:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAMd2-00024y-Os - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:07:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAMd2-00024f-Gy - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:07:56 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAMhR-0000kk-Ng - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:12:30 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7887r3A009960 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:07:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:10:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: pamphlet problems -Cc: 'axiom-dev' > BTW, I am still curious about "my Silver/build-improvement version". > Is this a new version of noweb? No, not that I know of. I used the original "noweb". -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GARRZ-0007Oe-Gr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:16:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GARRX-0007MW-2U - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:16:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GARRT-0007Im-D0 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:16:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GARRT-0007Ih-6B - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:16:19 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GARVw-000500-3U - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:20:56 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k78DFbLR019436; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:15:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: patches Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:15:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: patches On August 8, 2006 4:02 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -20994,39 +15219,10 @@ In fact I think we should drop the entire arch (tla) archive. Now that we have Silver, I don't see that the arch version has any real purpose. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GARSH-0007hM-PL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:17:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GARSF-0007fS-JS - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:17:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GARSD-0007cz-Q1 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:17:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GARSD-0007co-Lo - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:17:05 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GARWg-00052b-Fv - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:21:42 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k78DH2GP017865 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:17:02 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:20:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb I've grepped the silver/branches/build-improvements branch for the word @@ -21100,38 +15296,11 @@ I am quite sure that all the hundreds of targets in Lattice.pamphlet follow exactly the same pattern. Shouldn't we have a short program that replaces 40,000 Makefile lines??? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GASFd-0007Gl-Cc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:08:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GASFb-0007Dm-Bz - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:08:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GASFY-00079x-J9 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:08:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GASFY-00079k-ED - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:08:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GASK1-00018v-Hr - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:12:41 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k78E81GP018432 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:08:01 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:11:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: patches -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -21258,44 +15427,13 @@ like to see is how much alive a branch is. But maybe that is asking for too much. Is it possible to see branch activities on sourceforge without actually downloading the branch? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATOO-00027w-8Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:21:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATOM-00027H-AY - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:21:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATOJ-00026D-OQ - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:21:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GATOJ-000266-92 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:21:11 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GATSn-0006Pl-90 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:25:49 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A31D41097; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:21:09 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k78FKrgv008295; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:20:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k78FKrLL008294; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:20:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: patches -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:20:52 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: patches -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On August 8, 2006 4:02 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | > @@ -21323,36 +15461,11 @@ source, then I see no reason to branch from different places. I hope to have enough cleanup on build-improvements, so that we can merge part of the work there. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATPt-0002mh-D9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:22:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATPs-0002mW-1r - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:22:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATPp-0002lx-Nc - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:22:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GATPp-0002lr-GM - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:22:45 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GATUJ-0006WE-L0 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:23 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k78FMFte000306; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:22:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:22:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb Ralf, @@ -21407,46 +15520,11 @@ only assumed 'awk' - which one might view as an older and simpler version of 'perl'. But I am not against assuming the presence of 'perl' and getting rid of the old 'awk' scripts. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATQY-0003RW-NW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:23:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATQW-0003QJ-8l - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:23:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATQU-0003Pn-R5 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:23:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GATQU-0003Pk-NH - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:23:26 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GATUy-0006Yy-Rl - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:28:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EFB40F56; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:23:24 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k78FN9Z3008299; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:23:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k78FN9NL008298; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:23:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:23:09 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: patches - <44D89B7A.5040407@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:23:09 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -21470,42 +15548,11 @@ Can we get rid of the weird double dashes? Agreed. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATVT-0006id-CU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:28:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATVR-0006gA-AB - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:28:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATVQ-0006ed-1d - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:28:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GATVP-0006eU-UY - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:28:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GATZu-00070k-1Q - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:33:10 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49BB40F93; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:28:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k78FSERZ008507; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:28:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k78FSE60008506; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:28:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:28:14 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 08 Aug 2006 17:28:14 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -21534,38 +15581,11 @@ We should. I'm certainly not going to encourage students to dive into gigantic monsters. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GATi0-0003Lx-VD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:41:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAThy-0003Kq-SJ - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:41:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAThv-0003HK-4i - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:41:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAThu-0003HC-UY - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:41:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GATmP-0008Pm-0L - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:46:05 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k78FfJGP019641 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:41:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:44:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb -Cc: 'axiom-dev' > A minor point: Should we assume 'perl' as a build dependency? I > only assumed 'awk' - which one might view as an older and simpler @@ -21582,131 +15602,41 @@ our simple usage we probably don't need any fancy perl module. That's my 1 1/2 cents. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAXr0-0001om-Hu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:07:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAXqz-0001oW-CG - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:07:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAXqx-0001nF-K6 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:07:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAXqx-0001nC-Dw - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:07:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAXvU-00078h-4K - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:11:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCFE40F70 - for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:07:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k78K6jH9012662 - for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:06:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k78K6jfb012661; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:06:45 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Aug 2006 22:06:45 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Do we need to install spad files? - The current build machinery installs spad files generated from pamphlet files. Do we need that? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAY2w-0002Qs-VS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:19:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAY2v-0002QV-5z - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:19:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAY2s-0002QE-Ix - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:19:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAY2s-0002QB-FK - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:19:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAY7P-0000Ml-CW - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:24:03 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k78KJFGP025863 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:19:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:22:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Do we need to install spad files? -Cc: list What exactly do you mean by that? On 08/08/2006 10:06 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > The current build machinery installs spad files generated from > pamphlet files. Do we need that? -> -> -- Gaby - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYKI-0002C3-RT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:37:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYKH-0002AL-NK - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:37:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYKH-00029f-26 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:37:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAYKG-00029N-T7 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:37:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAYOn-0002BL-UO - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:42:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1510E6ABB1; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5AE7B6AB3B; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:37:16 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Do we need to install spad files? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:37:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Do we need to install spad files? -Thread-Index: Aca7J/0PNJjKtNo5QZicjH+WHrUxcwAASC6w From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Do we need to install spad files? On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:22 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > What exactly do you mean by that? ->=20 +> > On 08/08/2006 10:06 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > The current build machinery installs spad files generated > > from pamphlet files. Do we need that? -> >=20 +> > I presume that Gaby is talking about the spad source files contained in @@ -21735,44 +15665,11 @@ I may have to take back what I said ealier about noweb not being a required part of the run-time environment if we decide that we want to maintain this "edit source" feature. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYNx-0003Qv-9K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:41:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYNv-0003Qo-Dn - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:41:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYNu-0003Qc-JH - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:41:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAYNu-0003QZ-Ee - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:41:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAYSR-0002X0-Hl - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:45:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0104841091; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:41:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k78KemWr013076; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:40:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k78KemTk013075; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:40:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 08 Aug 2006 22:40:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Do we need to install spad files? - <44D8F27E.6050208@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 08 Aug 2006 22:40:47 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -21789,42 +15686,11 @@ algebra [15:40]% ls /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/src/algebra ... pages of spad files ... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYZS-0002KO-PW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:53:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYZQ-0002K5-TZ - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:53:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAYZP-0002Jk-CI - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:53:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAYZP-0002Jh-7X - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:52:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAYdw-0003Ut-Dw - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:57:40 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B667340E22; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:52:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k78KqfsM013390; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:52:43 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k78Kqe2g013389; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:52:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 08 Aug 2006 22:52:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Do we need to install spad files? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 08 Aug 2006 22:52:40 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -21840,52 +15706,21 @@ utility, not intended to be installed with Axiom. We can revise that decision later. I'm trying to simplify/rationalize the Makefiles and the build machinery. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAaHb-0001LR-40 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:42:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAaHZ-0001L4-3q - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:42:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAaHY-0001Kk-0T - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:42:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAaHX-0001Kh-RM - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:42:39 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAaM5-0004AQ-Up - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:47:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 13DAA6A86C; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:42:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EE02F6976B; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:42:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb -Thread-Index: Aca7NXQzJgKJEzcLSYGfLPnu35rJewAAwSXQ From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:56 PM in axiom-mail Gaby wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I need to get this Autoconf stuff move on. > I think you are doing a great job! Thanks. -=20 + > Did you test build-improvements branch recently? ->=20 +> I just did: @@ -21933,7 +15768,7 @@ cat init_pre_gcl.lsp.tmp | sed \ -e "s#@LI-EXTVERS@#`cat ../minvers | cut -f2 -d.`#1" \ -e "s#@LI-MINVERS@#`cat ../minvers | cut -f1 -d.`#1" \ -e "s#@LI-MAJVERS@#`cat ../majvers`#1" \ - -e "s#@LI-CC@#\"gcc -c -Wall -DVOL=3Dvolatile -fsigned-char = + -e "s#@LI-CC@#\"gcc -c -Wall -DVOL=volatile -fsigned-char = -pipe \"#1" \ -e "s#@LI-LD@#\"gcc -o \"#1" \ @@ -21987,65 +15822,33 @@ not immediately clear to me. axiom.build-improvements/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/config.status shows: -# ./configure '--enable-vssize=3D65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd - '--enable-maxpage=3D256*1024' +# ./configure '--enable-vssize=65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd + '--enable-maxpage=256*1024' These options for the gcl build are different from the axiom--main--1-patch-49 that builds successfully on this system: -# ./configure '--enable-vssize=3D65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd - '--enable-maxpage=3D128*1024' +# ./configure '--enable-vssize=65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd + '--enable-maxpage=128*1024' I previously reported the message "NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid" -to Camm MacQuire when using the --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 option +to Camm MacQuire when using the --enable-maxpage=256*1024 option on this system but he was not able to suggest a solution. The suspicion is that this has something to do with memory management on a linux virtual host. -I will repeat the build using --enable-maxpage=3D128*1024. Maybe we +I will repeat the build using --enable-maxpage=128*1024. Maybe we need a way to conveniently pass build options through ./configure to the gcl ./configure? If you like I can send you the full build log or other intermediate files. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAcR9-0000Sx-So - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:00:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAcR5-0000Ro-Ix - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:00:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAcR3-0000R8-Pz - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:00:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAcR3-0000Qw-Kc - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:00:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAcVc-0006Se-TU - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:05:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7C54E6945C; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1E53868C80; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:00:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:00:42 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb -Thread-Index: Aca7NXQzJgKJEzcLSYGfLPnu35rJewAAwSXQAASqvVA= From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list Subject: FW: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb Camm, @@ -22056,9 +15859,9 @@ I have encountered the error message: again while building gcl-2.6.8pre (contain in the current Axiom distribution), on the axiom-developer.org shared virtual server -with option --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024. As before, the build of +with option --enable-maxpage=256*1024. As before, the build of gcl and of Axiom completes normally if I change the gclopts to ---enable-maxpage=3D128*1024. Tim did say that he was going to +--enable-maxpage=128*1024. Tim did say that he was going to revert to the smaller value http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-10/msg00392.html @@ -22078,16 +15881,16 @@ http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-10/msg00396.html > Bill, here is the problem -- Redhat 9 is apparently placing the > stack within the first 1Gb of memory, but you are requesting this > amount for your heap. GCL won't (or tries not to) allow the head -> to overrun the stack:=20 +> to overrun the stack: > > p/x -1073750720 /* This is my cstack address. Just built 2.6.7 with */ -> $1 =3D 0xbfffdd40 /* 256*1024 maxpages just fine*/ +> $1 = 0xbfffdd40 /* 256*1024 maxpages just fine*/ > (gdb) p/x 1073738356 /* here is yours */ -> $2 =3D 0x3ffff274 +> $2 = 0x3ffff274 > (gdb) p/x 256*1024*4096+0x8000000 -> $3 =3D 0x48000000 /* here is the end of your requested heap */ -> (gdb)=20 +> $3 = 0x48000000 /* here is the end of your requested heap */ +> (gdb) > > In all of the machines I've looked at, this is about the worst stack > placement I've seen. Is this 'enterprise' or 'normal'? I thought @@ -22119,21 +15922,21 @@ Regards, Bill Page. -----Original Message----- -From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: Bill Page; list Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:56 PM in axiom-mail Gaby wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I need to get this Autoconf stuff move on. > I think you are doing a great job! Thanks. -=20 + > Did you test build-improvements branch recently? ->=20 +> I just did: @@ -22181,7 +15984,7 @@ cat init_pre_gcl.lsp.tmp | sed \ -e "s#@LI-EXTVERS@#`cat ../minvers | cut -f2 -d.`#1" \ -e "s#@LI-MINVERS@#`cat ../minvers | cut -f1 -d.`#1" \ -e "s#@LI-MAJVERS@#`cat ../majvers`#1" \ - -e "s#@LI-CC@#\"gcc -c -Wall -DVOL=3Dvolatile -fsigned-char = + -e "s#@LI-CC@#\"gcc -c -Wall -DVOL=volatile -fsigned-char = -pipe \"#1" \ -e "s#@LI-LD@#\"gcc -o \"#1" \ @@ -22235,68 +16038,35 @@ not immediately clear to me. axiom.build-improvements/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/config.status shows: -# ./configure '--enable-vssize=3D65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd - '--enable-maxpage=3D256*1024' +# ./configure '--enable-vssize=65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd + '--enable-maxpage=256*1024' These options for the gcl build are different from the axiom--main--1-patch-49 that builds successfully on this system: -# ./configure '--enable-vssize=3D65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd - '--enable-maxpage=3D128*1024' +# ./configure '--enable-vssize=65536*2' --enable-statsysbfd + '--enable-maxpage=128*1024' I previously reported the message "NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid" -to Camm MacQuire when using the --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 option +to Camm MacQuire when using the --enable-maxpage=256*1024 option on this system but he was not able to suggest a solution. The suspicion is that this has something to do with memory management on a linux virtual host. -I will repeat the build using --enable-maxpage=3D128*1024. Maybe we +I will repeat the build using --enable-maxpage=128*1024. Maybe we need a way to conveniently pass build options through ./configure to the gcl ./configure? If you like I can send you the full build log or other intermediate files. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAduY-0003UP-KR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:35:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAduV-0003Rm-UF - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:35:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAduU-0003QY-1C - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:35:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAduT-0003QU-Lx - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:35:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAdz4-0005QI-7d - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:39:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAA340F45 - for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:35:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k792YkC2017786 - for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:34:49 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k792YkDS017785; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:34:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Aug 2006 04:34:46 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: boxup script - The script src/scripts/boxup reads: [21:30]% cat axiom.silver/src/scripts/boxup @@ -22320,93 +16090,30 @@ LaTeX fragments. Their logical directory should be something like a I'll implement that -- unless people believe that boxup and friends may just disappear... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAeXQ-0000xR-Ix - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:15:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAeXO-0000wz-Vw - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:15:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAeXL-0000w4-08 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:15:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAeXK-0000w1-P3 - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:15:14 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAebv-0000Gj-RR - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:19:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1BC5D6914D; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:15:14 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3F97469022; - Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:15:13 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: boxup script Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:14:50 -0400 -Thread-Topic: boxup script -Thread-Index: Aca7XHqKL9KeMHtxRni7OAGjDfSQOwABTcRA From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: boxup script -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:35 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I'll implement that -- unless people believe that boxup and > friends may just disappear... ->=20 +> I think they should disappear. This is just a way of making a template *.spad.pamphlet file from a *.spad file. They seem completely obsolete to me. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAf6k-0005nN-AD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:51:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAf6h-0005mR-Ug - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:51:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAf6f-0005jo-Vf - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:51:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAf6f-0005ji-Ra - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:51:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAfBH-00031B-1r - for list; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:56:31 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8214140E8F; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:51:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k793pQRN018272; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:51:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k793pQrP018271; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:51:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 09 Aug 2006 05:51:26 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: boxup script -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Aug 2006 05:51:26 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -22426,41 +16133,10 @@ Bill Page writes: OK. I'm in the middle of implementing the convervative solution. I'll go with your suggestion. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAs6f-0005oP-VM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:44:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAs6d-0005jQ-Ht - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:44:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAs6c-0005h9-CF - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:44:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAs6c-0005gy-74 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:44:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAsBL-00058t-EI - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:49:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0DBB268C52; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:44:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F376A68C68; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:44:24 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Thread-Index: Aca7vZcPORUlszrHTu2rYKtTn639rQAF0uog From: Bill Page -To: "axiom-dev" -Cc: +To: list Subject: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Axiom Developers; @@ -22482,7 +16158,7 @@ input and output. Your comments and questions would be greatly appreciated. BTW, with the help of William Stein (the primary developer -of Sage) I am also working on a similar interface between=20 +of Sage) I am also working on a similar interface between MathAction and Sage. So you will soon also be able to run Sage sessions via: @@ -22511,43 +16187,11 @@ can resolve this fairly easily. Stay tuned. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuIp-00006o-2M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuIo-00006O-2n - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuIn-000060-4J - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAuIn-00005q-0P - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:17 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAuNX-0005cY-Hg - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:10:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C58140F60; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:05:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k79K4t1o030551; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:04:57 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k79K4tRS030550; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:04:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 09 Aug 2006 22:04:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Aug 2006 22:04:55 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -22565,44 +16209,13 @@ postings that Tim added a patch to make noweb more lenient about Axiom source files. I'm inclined to think that is a bug in Axiom. Could anyone familiar with the issue makes a summary for me? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuJL-0000FQ-L2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuJJ-0000Er-35 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuJH-0000Eb-MG - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAuJH-0000EY-Df - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:05:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAuO1-0005fy-Vh - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:10:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F37DA66A12; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2DB1166C4C; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:05:44 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Thread-Index: Aca74hOBWU10yS3DQWuFiWKJlb525wABddDg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, On Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:32 PM you wrote: @@ -22627,43 +16240,17 @@ Doyen CD? Regards, Bill Page. -=20 + > > See: > > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxMaxima > > - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuzy-0003w4-F6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:49:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuzw-0003vR-F8 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:49:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAuzt-0003v3-U1 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:49:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAuzt-0003v0-Q0 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:49:49 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GAv4e-000149-JX - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:54:45 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k79KncGP031142 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:49:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:52:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb - -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Gaby, @@ -22691,33 +16278,10 @@ according to noweb's definition than introducing a slight modification like given through the above convention. (Where should we document that anyway?) -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxMi-0001rE-VK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:21:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxMi-0001qu-0v - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:21:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxMg-0001pg-9y - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:21:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxMg-0001pZ-5o; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:21:30 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GAxRS-0004du-Hx; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:26:27 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GAxMK-0003JS-00; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:21:08 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 09 Aug 2006 19:21:08 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: FW: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb Greetings! @@ -22939,114 +16503,40 @@ Take care, > > If you like I can send you the full build log or other intermediate > files. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxlN-0004mP-2g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:47:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxlK-0004iu-KC - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:46:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GAxlI-0004gL-Cy - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:46:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAxlH-0004fr-U2 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:46:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GAxq4-0005tX-K8 - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:51:52 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4A58F67842; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:46:54 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 24B5C67840; - Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:46:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:46:50 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: Aca8Cotg5WVjrGbmSJiDL8isIf894wAAplTQ From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:21 PM you wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid -> >=20 +> > > > ... while building gcl-2.6.8pre (contain in the current Axiom > > distribution), on the axiom-developer.org shared virtual server -> > with option --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024. As before, the build of +> > with option --enable-maxpage=256*1024. As before, the build of > > gcl and of Axiom completes normally if I change the gclopts to -> > --enable-maxpage=3D128*1024. +> > --enable-maxpage=128*1024. > > ... but the current build still uses 256*1024. -> >=20 +> > > ... > Can I log in to look at this? ->=20 +> Well, sure! :-) You user id 'camm' still exists on the axiom-developer.org machine. Do you need a password reset? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB05M-0005mp-Hk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:15:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB05K-0005kt-TB - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:15:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB05J-0005iq-JE - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:15:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GB05J-0005ib-BV - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:15:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GB0A7-0007iE-Nr - for list; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:20:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8F940FEC; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:15:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7A2FMZV002350; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:15:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7A2FM1n002349; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:15:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 10 Aug 2006 04:15:22 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb - - <44DA4B28.3040300@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 Aug 2006 04:15:22 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -23082,41 +16572,10 @@ noweb convention, given the only one evidence for its need so far. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB5X0-0008Ga-Go - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB5Wy-0008Dt-01 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB5Wv-0008BW-RA - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB5Wv-0008BJ-J1; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GB5bn-0006m1-03; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:09:39 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 81C2D682E9; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CE052682DD; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:04:27 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [SandBox Maxima] Try this -Thread-Index: Aca73eLJXoIQuVs0QNilSLbPdeIBGQAcV0qg From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: axiom-mail@nongnu.org +To: list Subject: FW: [SandBox Maxima] Try this On Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:02 PM Bob McElrath wrote: @@ -23151,47 +16610,11 @@ A.G. Grozin, this was a lot easier to do than I thought. :) Please give this a try and report any problems via IssueTracker. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB7F4-0000q6-WA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:54:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB7F2-0000mz-Rv - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:54:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB7F1-0000ls-TD - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:54:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB7F1-0000ld-OA; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:54:15 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GB7Ju-0006k3-5C; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:59:18 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Debian-3) with ESMTP id - k7A9sBq3024325 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:54:12 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id k7A9sBWj024322; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:54:11 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:54:11 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: list Subject: Re: FW: [SandBox Maxima] Try this - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r" - moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: axiom-mail@nongnu.org - - ---2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > Thanks to this wonderful suggestion the new Maxima interface @@ -23210,72 +16633,24 @@ Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: Wow it even tex' the input? Interesting... --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - Only after you've tried to figure something out for yourself and - failed are you ready to absorb "the answer." - ---2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFE2wJDjwioWRGe9K0RAkomAJ9IQgIr8aOCS+ztimoiG5jjPXcRMwCfZ3fC -6qTeCmRku2g6Pr8xTmwXNaQ= -=dzmO ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB8B3-00051W-UT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB8B1-0004yJ-Gq - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GB8B0-0004x2-Ma - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GB8B0-0004wg-HS - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:10 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GB8Ft-0004Mw-Pa - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:59:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8776068437; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:09 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DF26768434; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage +\start Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:54:00 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Thread-Index: Aca8YNXcB4kdRZIjRnKYXuz/zwHLjAAB+91Q From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Alfredo, On Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:39 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > On 8/9/06, Bill Page wrote: ->=20 +> > > If you have a test version of Doyen with Maxima installed, > > you should be able to add the new interface scripts very > > easily. ->=20 +> > I just finished installing Maxima on my test version of Doyen. ->=20 +> Great. Did you build it using GCL or Clisp? @@ -23283,16 +16658,16 @@ Great. Did you build it using GCL or Clisp? > > both LatexWiki and ZWiki product directories since my > > last commit. I hope applying these changes doesn't > > cause you much trouble... :) ->=20 +> > That is the fun part :). > For the time being I don't think you need any of the changes to ZWiki. These mostly related to the new left sidebar outline navigation which you aren't using on Doyen (at least not yet). -=20 + > > I will let you know when the repository is updated. ->=20 +> I have updated both the ZWiki and LatexWiki repositories on MathAction: @@ -23333,52 +16708,11 @@ system. Be cautious. Sorry, not enough time... as usual :( And of course, please let me know if you find something missing from the repository. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBAjN-0006px-Ti - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:37:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBAjM-0006ps-OE - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:37:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBAjB-0006lN-LO - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:37:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBAjB-0006lF-H1 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:37:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GBAn8-0003rc-Tk - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:41:44 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBAi0-00071g-PB - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:36:25 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k7ADaA29013668; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:36:11 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 3597_0caf039e_2875_11db_9ac5_001143376fda; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:35:12 +0200 -Received: from frithjof.familie (c216140.adsl.hansenet.de [213.39.216.140]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7ADa5pN007860 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:36:06 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=frithjof.familie) - by frithjof.familie with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50) - id 1GBAkP-0001KD-7n; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:38:53 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: patches -Comments: In-reply-to "Bill Page" Bill Page - message dated "Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:48:17 -0400." Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:38:53 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze -Cc: list +From: Frithjof Schulze +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: patches Bill Page wrote: @@ -23389,39 +16723,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: I'll try. But please let me know if make changes you don't like or consider unnecessary. I welcome all constructive critic. -Frithjof - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBBO2-0001zW-CL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:19:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBBO1-0001yh-CI - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:19:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBBNz-0001xC-Cp - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:19:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBBNy-0001wj-Q0 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:19:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GBBSq-0006qZ-L0 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:24:49 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7AEJcGP025728 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:19:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:23:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Frithjof Schulze +To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: patches - -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -23443,10 +16749,6 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/HowToSubmitPatches/diff I would like to see something like an ediff in emacs. Can that be easily achieved? -Ralf - - - On 08/10/2006 03:38 PM, Frithjof Schulze wrote: > Bill Page wrote: > @@ -23456,34 +16758,13 @@ On 08/10/2006 03:38 PM, Frithjof Schulze wrote: > > I'll try. But please let me know if make changes you don't like or > consider unnecessary. I welcome all constructive critic. -> -> Frithjof - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBCny-0000ax-Oz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:50:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBCnw-0000Wx-Jw - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:50:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBCnv-0000Uh-ID - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:50:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBCnv-0000UC-Aa; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:50:39 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GBCsr-000886-Dr; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:55:45 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GBCnq-0004Ou-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:50:34 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 10 Aug 2006 11:50:34 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Robert Boyer +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Robert Boyer Greetings! @@ -23521,56 +16802,16 @@ Bill Page writes: > > Well, sure! :-) You user id 'camm' still exists on the > axiom-developer.org machine. Do you need a password reset? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBE1t-0003kA-I6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBE1r-0003jx-SO - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBE1q-0003jk-Vl - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBE1q-0003jc-Jk - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBE6n-0007F7-GM - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:14:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CE4FB685F7; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 09D39685EA; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: patches Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:08:58 -0400 -Thread-Topic: patches -Thread-Index: Aca8iA/PqSwcEJs5R5Gb1vNeaVsyMAACiLQg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: patches On Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:23 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 -> Are the modifications that Frithjof is going to make to=20 +> +> Are the modifications that Frithjof is going to make to > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1 also sent > to the axiom-developer mailing list so that we all can > watch? @@ -23637,7 +16878,7 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/book--main--1 It is necessary to click the subscribe link at the right of the top menu line. ->=20 +> > I still don't like the diff-format. So all those mathaction mails > are actually nearly like spam to me. @@ -23651,9 +16892,9 @@ as I described above. > If I am interested in the topic I just click on the link at > the bottom of the mail. (BTW, could the ->=20 +> > forwarded from ... ->=20 +> > stuff be moved to the top of the mail?) This is easily changed. @@ -23667,12 +16908,12 @@ better than the diff content of the email? Should both the forwarded from and diff links be at the top of the email? ->=20 +> > Somehow instead of > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/HowToSubmitPatches/diff > I would like to see something like an ediff in emacs. > Can that be easily achieved? ->=20 +> I don't know anything about ediff. Do you have some examples? @@ -23685,43 +16926,11 @@ would be quite easy. But email is more limiting than web-page or emacs the screen, so I think we have to choose carefully. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEQT-0004nF-Mf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEQR-0004mb-4i - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEQP-0004k8-Ic - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBEQP-0004k5-DL - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:29 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBEVM-0000pW-9y - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:39:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 82AEF66FD2; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5E99266F67; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:34:23 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Thread-Index: Aca8lar1+lVlx88ZTSS/4Mf9DiUr/AAC1DEg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Alfredo, @@ -23743,7 +16952,7 @@ is a series of ... output that serves to delimit the output. After some experimentation I determined that the follow regular expression worked reliably for me: -outputSplit =3D '.*\nbatching #p.*\n' +outputSplit = '.*\nbatching #p.*\n' Maybe the output is subtley different from Clisp? I find writing reliable Python regular expressions to be very tediouos. @@ -23756,7 +16965,7 @@ It looks like this splitting might fail because there is no \n after . You could try changing the regular expression to something like this: -outputSplit =3D '.*\s*batching #p.*\n' +outputSplit = '.*\s*batching #p.*\n' Note: the output string "batching" is apparently generated by maxima when it processes a batch() command. The only reason @@ -23778,27 +16987,27 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Alfredo Portes [mailto:Alfredo Portes]=20 +> From: Alfredo Portes [mailto:Alfredo Portes] > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:55 AM > To: Bill Page > Subject: Re: Maxima on MathAction and Sage ->=20 +> > Hi Bill, ->=20 +> > I am having a little issue with the Maxima output, just getting: ->=20 +> > Maxima output parse error! ->=20 +> > You can see the output here: http://doyen.sytes.net/Doyen/SandBox ->=20 +> > I run the command manually, and get the right output. ->=20 +> > echo "2+2;" | /usr/bin/maxima -p > /var/lib/zope/Products/LatexWiki/mathaction-maxima-5.9.3.lisp > >output.txt ->=20 +> > output.txt ->=20 +> > > Maxima 5.9.3.99rc2 http://maxima.sourceforge.net > Using Lisp CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) @@ -23809,38 +17018,13 @@ Bill Page. > (\mathrm{\$\%i}1) > \mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\$\%o1}) \black}4 > (\mathrm{\$\%i}2) ->=20 +> > Any advice I would appreciate it, ->=20 -> Regards, ->=20 -> Jose Alfredo Perez ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEoP-0000TD-U6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:59:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEoP-0000Sv-1e - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:59:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEoM-0000Si-MT - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:59:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBEoM-0000Sf-Ga; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:59:14 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GBEtJ-0002sG-MV; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:04:21 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GBEoB-0002h9-00; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:59:03 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire + +\start Date: 10 Aug 2006 13:59:03 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) Greetings! FYI, just committed the removal of the power of 2 @@ -23871,52 +17055,11 @@ Bill Page writes: > > Well, sure! :-) You user id 'camm' still exists on the > axiom-developer.org machine. Do you need a password reset? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBF9X-0007uh-39 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:21:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBF9V-0007uN-V5 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:21:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBF9U-0007td-AX - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:21:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBF9U-0007tU-2m - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:21:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBFEQ-00066m-U1 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:26:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A219B40E22; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:20:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7AIKbYe016245; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:20:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7AIKbC6016244; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:20:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Camm Maguire - <54bqqsjwuw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Aug 2006 20:20:37 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) Camm Maguire writes: @@ -23926,39 +17069,10 @@ Camm Maguire writes: That is good news! -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBFzs-000480-By - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:15:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBFzq-00047K-CH - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:15:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBFzm-000474-5O - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:15:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBFzm-000471-0y - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:15:06 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GBG4k-0002JW-9j - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:20:14 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (axiom-developer.org [209.135.140.38]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7AJFCCr001778; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:15:12 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k7AJFC0W001774; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:15:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:15:12 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bertfried Fauser -Cc: list Subject: ordering > I have experimented with the AXIOM Groebner bases package and was somehoe @@ -23970,37 +17084,10 @@ Subject: ordering There are various kinds of polynomials used with Groebner. If memory serves me you can specify the order in DMP or HDMP. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGVb-0001HS-06 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:47:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGVY-0001FG-Q4 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:47:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGVW-0001D5-QY - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:47:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBGVW-0001Ci-Dg - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:47:54 -0400 -Received: from [209.135.140.38] (helo=axiom-developer.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GBGaU-00066D-Rk - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:53:03 -0400 -Received: from axiom-developer.org (axiom-developer.org [209.135.140.38]) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7AJlxCr011638; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:47:59 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -Received: (from daly@localhost) - by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k7AJlx4K011635; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:47:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:47:59 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: lattice > I am quite sure that all the hundreds of targets in Lattice.pamphlet @@ -24027,51 +17114,20 @@ sacrifices the most frequent case. Bill and I had this discussion years ago. The algebra Makefile is no longer 40k lines of rules and uses sed/awk scripts. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGlo-0003hg-2y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGlm-0003hG-7L - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGlk-0003gp-E3 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBGlk-0003gi-9O - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBGqi-0007ld-MX - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:48 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 432C966543; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2788866341; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:04:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: Aca8prNMYEBF250iRLiCs/wyBv7wTwADn60g From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:59 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Greetings! FYI, just committed the removal of the > power of 2 constraint on maxpage in both cvs head and > version 2.6.8pre. ->=20 +> Thanks for looking into this. @@ -24079,7 +17135,7 @@ I just grabbed 2.6.8pre from cvs into a temp directory and created a replacement tarball for the Axiom build, thus: cd /home/page/temp-dir - export CVSROOT=3D:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl + export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl cvs -z9 -q co -d gcl-2.6.8pre -r Version_2_6_8pre gcl tar czvf gcl-2.6.8pre.tgz gcl-2.6.8pre cd /home/page/axiom.build-improvements/zips @@ -24088,13 +17144,13 @@ created a replacement tarball for the Axiom build, thus: cd /home/page/axiom.build-improvements I edited the GCLOPTS in Makefile from - --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 + --enable-maxpage=256*1024 to - --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 + --enable-maxpage=196*1024 resulting in - GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ - --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 + GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ + --enable-maxpage=196*1024 in the default build for Axiom Silver build-improvements branch: @@ -24148,98 +17204,39 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/page/axiom.build-improvements' make: *** [all] Error 2 [page@axiom-developer axiom.build-improvements]$ ------------ - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGqB-0006lQ-TU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGq9-0006jJ-Tr - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBGq7-0006gK-Rj - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBGq7-0006gE-NZ - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBGv6-00005M-Ez - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:14:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D3870686A4; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 717AE6869D; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:03 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: Aca8prNMYEBF250iRLiCs/wyBv7wTwADn60gAADV1yA= From: Bill Page To: Bill Page -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Camm Maguire -On Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:05 PM I wrote:=20 +On Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:05 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I edited the GCLOPTS in Makefile from -> --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 +> --enable-maxpage=256*1024 > to -> --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 +> --enable-maxpage=196*1024 > resulting in ->=20 -> GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ -> --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 ->=20 +> +> GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ +> --enable-maxpage=196*1024 +> Of course what I really and meant to write was: I edited the GCLOPTS in Makefile.pamphlet from - --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 + --enable-maxpage=256*1024 to - --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 + --enable-maxpage=196*1024 ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBH5G-0003gB-4r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:24:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBH5E-0003em-VU - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:24:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBH5D-0003cZ-1m - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:24:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBH5C-0003cU-VI - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:24:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GBHAB-0001E2-Mw - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:29:56 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7AKOiGP001665 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:24:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:28:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: patches -Cc: list Hello @@ -24307,43 +17304,11 @@ example, silver/branches/build-improvements), check out the sources, then right-click on a file and go to "Compare With"-> Revision. (You can probably also do that with standard Eclipse and an CVS repository.) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBHLf-0005hk-Hk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:41:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBHLe-0005gs-4u - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:41:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBHLc-0005gE-8M - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:41:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBHLb-0005g9-Tj - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:41:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBHQZ-0002ac-UP - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:46:52 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E55240E85; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:41:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7AKfDI0019494; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:41:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7AKfDto019493; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:41:13 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 10 Aug 2006 22:41:13 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: patches - <44DB96D5.9060302@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 Aug 2006 22:41:13 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -24356,57 +17321,26 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: I agree. I'm a bit disappointed that we don't branch our experiements/works from a single "referential" source. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBHVp-00040u-Rp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBHVo-0003xT-4v - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBHVm-0003uV-II - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBHVm-0003uO-FL - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:14 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBHal-0003Dj-Eh - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:57:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8EBC6686B6; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:13 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D41F6686A4; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: patches Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:52:14 -0400 -Thread-Topic: patches -Thread-Index: Aca8vWmyE6YE6ByVQGulFNrW7qLOTgAAGWaw From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: RE: patches -Gaby, Ralf,=20 +Gaby, Ralf, On Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:41 PM Gaby wrote: ->=20 +> > Ralf Hemmecke writes: ->=20 -> | I strongly opt for just ONE archive. The book project=20 +> +> | I strongly opt for just ONE archive. The book project > | should live in the src/doc directory of the Gold/Silver > | sources. Otherwise we are speaking about Axiom sources > | and exclude the Axiom book. ->=20 +> > I agree. I'm a bit disappointed that we don't branch our > experiements/works from a single "referential" source. ->=20 +> I agree too. As I explained in an earlier email, on Tuesday I updated the 'bookvol1' and 'ComputerTutorial' pamphlets in @@ -24421,43 +17355,11 @@ Since I don't know the status of the tla archive, I am ignoring it for now until Tim can say how it's contents relate to Gold and Silver. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBIpb-0008TG-W9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBIpa-0008Rx-LD - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBIpY-0008QR-T3 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBIpY-0008QJ-Q2 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBIuY-0007rj-If - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:21:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0BBB56866E; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0371E6866A; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:43 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:16:42 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Thread-Index: Aca8wl+BYm3O8X+rSsaQUEoaZXqhcgAAKdSA From: Bill Page -To: Alfredo Portes, Bill Page -Cc: list +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Alfredo, @@ -24506,7 +17408,7 @@ parts that are variable. In the case of the \$ sequence in your example, I think that is more likely to affect another regexp - maximaOutPattern =3D re.compile( + maximaOutPattern = re.compile( #r'.*?black\}(.*?)' #1 LaTeX r'\\mbox{\\tt\\red\(\\mathrm{\\%(i\d+)}\) \\black}(.*?)|' #1 #2 Input @@ -24552,16 +17454,16 @@ On Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:17 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: Maxima 5.9.3.99rc2 http://maxima.sourceforge.net Using Lisp CLISP 2.39 (2006-07-16) Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING. - Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.=20 + Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter. This is a development version of Maxima. The function bug_report() provides bug reporting information. (\mathrm{\$\%i}1) -\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\$\%o1}) \black}4=20 +\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\$\%o1}) \black}4 (\mathrm{\$\%i}2) \mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\$\%o2}) \black}234310 (\mathrm{\$\%i}3) -\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\$\%o3}) \black}625=20 +\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\$\%o3}) \black}625 (\mathrm{\$\%i}4) =09 =09 @@ -24574,58 +17476,29 @@ bug_report() Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING. Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter. This is a development version of Maxima. The function -bug_report()=20 +bug_report() provides bug reporting information. (\mathrm{\%i}1) \mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\%o1}) \black}4 (\mathrm{\%i}2) -\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\%o2}) \black}234310=20 +\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\%o2}) \black}234310 (\mathrm{\%i}3) \mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{\%o3}) \black}625 (\mathrm{\%i}4) =09 > The "\$\" appears only on my installation of maxima. I do -> not know if this matters.=20 +> not know if this matters. >=09 > Please let me know, if not I will continue trying to look > for a regex that works. =09 - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBJZE-00063P-M1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:03:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBJZD-00063K-NU - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:03:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBJZD-000637-3g - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:03:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBJZD-000633-0w - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:03:55 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBJdw-0003FL-Vd - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:08:49 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5D6016863F; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:02:50 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A570E685A0; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:02:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:02:49 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Maxima on MathAction and Sage -Thread-Index: Aca8zvERGUi7ir14SeaYpYxZNrralwAACNXg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Maxima on MathAction and Sage Alfredo, @@ -24649,7 +17522,7 @@ the option --anable-ansi ->From the root of your Axiom source distribution go to=20 +>From the root of your Axiom source distribution go to $ cd lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre @@ -24673,34 +17546,10 @@ web site. Untar it and then build Maxima like this: Everything should go fine. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBKNp-0007Ym-JN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:56:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBKNn-0007Xk-Vj - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:56:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBKNm-0007WX-3c - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:56:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBKNl-0007WA-UQ - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:56:09 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBKSm-0007jO-8e - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:01:20 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-48-210.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-48-210.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.202.210]) - by mwinf1908.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AEEA1C00083 - for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:56:07 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:56:56 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: lsp/Makefile.pamphlet reorganisation Hello, @@ -24719,46 +17568,16 @@ Greg PS : I don't plan to add documentation, just reorganise it. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBLWI-0001p8-25 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:09:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBLWG-0001ox-8w - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:09:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBLWF-0001ol-Kr - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:08:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBLWF-0001oi-FF - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:08:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBLbG-0004M8-UJ - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:14:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E56140E38; - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:08:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7B18YZV022403; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:08:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7B18Yb2022402; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:08:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: lsp/Makefile.pamphlet reorganisation -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Aug 2006 03:08:34 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: lsp/Makefile.pamphlet reorganisation -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello, -|=20 +| | The lsp/Makefile.pamphlet file needs a reorganisation. You can quickly | read the dvi and you'll see that nearly all code chunks that patches gcl | are in subsubsections of the section "Gnu Common Lisp 2.5.2" and that @@ -24803,44 +17622,11 @@ Then. we will get to the monsters. BTW, I hate to have to wait for hours watching Axioms build "serialy", with no possibility to have "parallel" builds. That sucks. :-( -Thakns; - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBLpq-0003AC-6v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:29:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBLpo-0003A0-12 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:29:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBLpl-00039o-Se - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:29:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBLpl-00039l-O3 - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:29:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBLun-0005U9-Io - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:34:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEB340F53; - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:29:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7B1Sibo022647; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:28:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7B1SiRd022646; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:28:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 11 Aug 2006 03:28:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lattice -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Aug 2006 03:28:44 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -24868,53 +17654,22 @@ just like GCC is able to output dependencies, which greatly facilitates the tedious part of writing Makefiles and keeping them in sync; Automake uses it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBM2Z-0004U2-Hw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBM2Y-0004Tt-9U - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBM2W-0004TR-OV - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBM2W-0004TO-KL - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBM7Y-0006FO-HH - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:47:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2929B6866F; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 530B66866E; - Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: lattice Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:42:11 -0400 -Thread-Topic: lattice -Thread-Index: Aca85ZX6BaGLeapMSAmiWl92MK189AAAIFjw From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: lattice -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:29 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > A project might be to have the compiler output spad > dependencies -- > just like GCC is able to output dependencies, which greatly > facilitates the tedious part of writing Makefiles and > keeping them in sync; Automake uses it. ->=20 +> Where you here "years ago" when we first discussed the fact that Axiom's build dependencies form a digraph with loops? @@ -24941,43 +17696,11 @@ I am very interested in you opinions on this subject because of your background with gcc which also involves a bootstrapping process, although I think no circular dependencies, right? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBMTq-0000HY-Dx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:10:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBMTp-0000Gc-4C - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:10:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBMTo-0000Ft-Ex - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:10:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBMTo-0000FZ-9E - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:10:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBMYq-0008RU-CR - for list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:15:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABD340E22; - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:10:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7B2A7BI023167; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:10:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7B2A6WP023166; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:10:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 11 Aug 2006 04:10:06 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: lattice -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Aug 2006 04:10:06 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -25062,46 +17785,10 @@ say a friend of mine). We're not going to attract lot of people because we try to make Axiom look complicated. We can gain by making it look simpler to use, simpler to understand, simpler to modify. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBPYk-0003mJ-E0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:27:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBPYj-0003mE-5T - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:27:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBPYh-0003m2-9a - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:27:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBPYh-0003lz-5S - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:27:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.71.223.10] (helo=pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBPdl-00037K-7y - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:33:01 -0400 -Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca - (pd4mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.212]) by l-daemon - (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) - with ESMTP id <0J3T00ID3J2YGI80@l-daemon> for - list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:25:46 -0600 (MDT) -Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) - by pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 - (built Mar - 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J3T00LMCJ2YXQ10@pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for - list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:25:46 -0600 (MDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([24.68.119.85]) - by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 - 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J3T004Z6J2YEG20@l-daemon> for - list; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:25:45 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <44DC14D9.7060404@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: firefox chrome extension Tim Daly wrote: @@ -25111,44 +17798,15 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > > Please do. I'd like to read your code. > I'm sure I'll find it helpful. -> -> Tim -> > You can get it mathbrane.ca/axiom/webax-0.0.1.tar I hope you find it useful. -Arthur - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBR8t-0003wu-EP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:09:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBR8q-0003s0-O5 - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:09:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBR8o-0003nU-Gq - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:09:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBR8o-0003nH-DE - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:09:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GBRDt-0002Of-BT - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:14:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7B795GP014508 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:09:05 +0200 + +\start Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:12:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: patches -Cc: list >> I agree. I'm a bit disappointed that we don't branch our >> experiements/works from a single "referential" source. @@ -25189,39 +17847,11 @@ And they can enter it only by a request of the maintainer of the testing branch. (Which also means there should never be a branch that has no responsible person attached.) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBSH6-0004yd-3z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:21:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBSH4-0004xu-L3 - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:21:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBSH1-0004wy-Ni - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:21:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBSH1-0004wt-It - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:21:43 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GBSM7-0008SF-AL - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:26:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7B8LaGP015830 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:21:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:25:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: automatic dependency generation was: Re: lattice - -Cc: list, aldor-l > A project might be to have the compiler output spad dependencies -- > just like GCC is able to output dependencies, which greatly @@ -25287,31 +17917,12 @@ import from MyPrj extend Dom with {ans: () -> ()} == add {ans(): () == bar()} ---END aaaf3.as - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBXvg-000601-6B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:24:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBXvf-0005zh-Bm - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:24:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBXve-0005zM-8T - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:24:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBXve-0005zJ-3p; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:24:02 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GBY0m-0003iU-Ue; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:29:21 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GBXvO-00085i-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:23:46 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Aug 2006 10:23:46 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Robert Boyer +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Robert Boyer Greetings! @@ -25440,92 +18051,30 @@ Bill Page writes: > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/page/axiom.build-improvements' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > [page@axiom-developer axiom.build-improvements]$ -> -> ----------- -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBedD-0002yK-K7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:33:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBedB-0002xP-RL - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:33:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBed8-0002vi-D5 - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:33:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBed8-0002vV-18 - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:33:22 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBeiK-0004qz-Rg - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:38:45 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-79-114.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-79-114.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.254.114]) - by mwinf1913.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3891A1C000A6; - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:32:48 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: - noweb) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Camm Maguire - <54ac6b4ah9.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:33:07 +0200 -Cc: list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Robert Boyer Le vendredi 11 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 10:23 -0400, Camm Maguire a =E9crit : > Greetings! ->=20 +> > I had to make the following modifications to 20050901 to work with the > latest 2.6.8pre: ->=20 +> > /fix/t1/camm/debian/axiom/axiom-20050901/int/interp/hash.lisp: remove s= tatic So it seems that it's no longer necessary to define functions as static, am I wrong with this (I use functions in a library written in Fortran) ? -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBerX-0002il-Qh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:48:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBerV-0002fx-Em - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:48:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBerS-0002Y9-Cd - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:48:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBerS-0002Xu-7T; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:48:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GBewf-00061c-G5; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:53:33 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7BLm2GP003661 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:48:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:50:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb > | \begin{chunk}{MyCode} % The chunkname should not be optional!! @@ -25594,47 +18143,12 @@ Fortunately, the documentation of fancyvrb refers to the listings package for doing such fancy "pretty printing". But I have not yet looked into listings more closely. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBgr9-0004eM-7Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:55:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBgr8-0004dB-5P - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:55:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBgr4-0004YN-SL - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:55:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBgr4-0004YE-OS - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:55:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBgwJ-0003R0-G5 - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:01:19 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9407C4108B - for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:55:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7BNtQET007768 - for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:55:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7BNtQa8007767; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:55:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Aug 2006 01:55:26 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: /dev/null, noweb and Axiom - -Hi, - noweb uses /dev/null as a special place where to copy Emacs mode support file, if the user does not want to have that file installed. @@ -25652,45 +18166,12 @@ I disagree with the idea that writing to /dev/null should be banned. (Arguably, noweb's uses of /dev/null is "interesting", but that is a different debate.) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBgzw-0002dw-Ph - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:05:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBgzu-0002dr-QC - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:05:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBgzt-0002dc-Oh - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:05:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBgzt-0002dY-Ha - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:05:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBh58-0004JO-Cj - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:10:26 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69E740F60 - for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:04:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7C04YEG007937 - for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:04:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7C04YFG007936; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:04:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Aug 2006 02:04:34 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] noweb optional - - As of revision 93, the build-improvements branch has made noweb optional. That means that, if noweb is already installed on the build machine, then Axiom will not build its own version. @@ -25714,43 +18195,12 @@ them. If one of both are missing, then Axiom's copy is used. Of course, all of that will be added to the documentation. This is just a "heads up". --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBiLp-0003Xo-1x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:31:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBiLn-0003X2-OL - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:31:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GBiLm-0003We-U3 - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:31:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBiLm-0003Wb-RT - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:31:42 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.188] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GBiR2-0001BB-Ge - for list; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:37:08 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so1121616nfc - for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:31:41 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Ta3/96hZvgvTXmrSC4NbzWsVfJ8JCOUPxV2vJlDLUYuCXumJO2MRkrInWirPYoQFjXZkgzSMA1s+FeXbmiKuUwi0gpEUqTwL++ifm62cq5dy+jwBwMR5j/sp93J70hhyBWe6DmrfievRTp06h3HMjG1D8cZncZWYrFr5XpolQAs= -Received: by 10.78.165.16 with SMTP id n16mr2423777hue; - Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:31:41 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:31:40 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page - boundary="----=_Part_19134_19908801.1155346300943" -Cc: axiom-developer Subject: Re: Maxima on ZWiki -------=_Part_19134_19908801.1155346300943 - Bill, Maxima is working now for me. Thanks for all the help. I needed actually 3 \ @@ -25785,48 +18235,11 @@ On 8/11/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: > > To scape the \$, I added \\$ to the regex on ReplaceInlineMaxima file. > Regards, -> -> Jose Alfredo Perez -> - -------=_Part_19134_19908801.1155346300943 - -Bill,

Maxima is working now for me. Thanks for all the help. I needed actually 3 \ characters.
One to scape \ and the other one to scape the $ sign. Now, I just need to add the nice
formatting from stylesheet. -

I have another question. At some point, I saw on the list a bug about the image created
for pamphlet files not been updated after saving. I remember that somebody said that it
was necessary to click on preview first. However, this is not working for me. I would like -
to know if you know how to solve this issue.

Regards,

AP

On 8/11/06, Alfredo Portes <Alfredo Portes -> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I got to a point where I see the output but in this form: -

\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{$\%i2}) \black}2+2\mbox{\tt\red(\mathrm{$\%o2}) \black}4

I havent been able to track the error. I would like to know how to test these files, without Zope. -

To scape the \$, I added \\$ to the regex on ReplaceInlineMaxima file.

Regards,

Jose Alfredo Perez
- -

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Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:09:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC4UC-0006tY-Hr - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:09:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC4UA-0006qS-UK - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:09:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GC4UA-0006qH-RB - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:09:50 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GC4Ze-00072L-Az - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:15:30 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-67-250.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-67-250.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.215.250]) - by mwinf1921.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DA7F51C00081; - Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:09:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Old Lisp From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -26338,17 +18567,17 @@ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:10:06 +0200 Cc: list Le dimanche 13 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 02:56 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> Bill Page writes: +> > | On August 12, 2006 10:18 AM Gabriel Dos Reis -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Part of planning to clean up a bit the lsp/ directory, I'm removi= ng > | > old GCL bits. Old GCL here means anything prior to GCL-2.6.7. -> | >=20 -> |=20 +> | > +> | > | I think that is a very good idea. ->=20 +> > Done. OK, so no need to reorganise the Makefile.pamphlet, cool :-) @@ -26360,26 +18589,7 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC5PG-00081m-3n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:08:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC5PE-0007wg-1a - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:08:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC5PA-0007nE-6M - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:08:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GC5PA-0007mi-1e - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:08:44 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GC5Ue-0002Ad-1m - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:14:24 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7D28O6F020904; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:08:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Old Lisp Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:08:22 -0400 @@ -26418,39 +18628,13 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC5oW-00063h-CX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:34:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC5oU-00063Z-JP - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:34:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GC5oT-00063N-P8 - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:34:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GC5oT-00063H-IZ - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:34:53 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GC5tx-0003ta-S5 - for list; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:40:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5869640F60; 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Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:23:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Old Lisp <44DED301.6020506@cesmail.net> @@ -26665,29 +18779,7 @@ I'm working on a patch that have Axiom autodetect GCL and use it. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCHR7-00071z-Ai - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:59:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCHR5-00070d-AF - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:59:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCHR3-0006yk-SH - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:59:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCHR3-0006yb-P0 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:59:29 -0400 -Received: from [70.168.83.83] (helo=centrmmtao01.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCHWf-0004a2-62 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:05:17 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20060813145919.CGWT23821.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> - for ; 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From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem @@ -27087,7 +19036,7 @@ Le dimanche 13 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 08:22 -0700, C Y a =E9crit : [...] -> Has anybody seen anything like this before?=20 +> Has anybody seen anything like this before? Yes I faced the same problem, I commented out (dirty hack) the "@false", ligne 68 of src/aldor/libaxiom.mk : @@ -27106,41 +19055,23 @@ Greg > Cheers, > CY ->=20 +> > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? -> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 -> http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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It > looks like most of the links are using the "link text":http... > method, so I'm not quite sure what it's objecting to. ->=20 +> Cliff, the problem is not you - it's those dork spam artists who insist on abusing our web site... :( @@ -27571,7 +19417,7 @@ instead write: WebSite:abc.com/help.html -Right now this also applies to=20 +Right now this also applies to "link text":http://... @@ -27596,47 +19442,47 @@ Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > --- Cliff Yapp wrote: ->=20 +> > > Hmm - I just tried to update AldorForAxiom with this info, and it > > won't > > let me. My preferences are set up - guess I need to go re-read the > > anti-spam changes, I must be missing something. Thanks Vanuxem! -> >=20 +> > > > Cheers, > > CY -> >=20 +> > > > --- Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > > Le dimanche 13 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 08:22 -0700, C Y a =E9crit : > > > [...] > > > > Please add new attributes to /attrib.as.head -> > >=20 +> > > > > > [...] -> > >=20 -> > > > Has anybody seen anything like this before?=20 -> > >=20 +> > > +> > > > Has anybody seen anything like this before? +> > > > > > Yes I faced the same problem, I commented out (dirty hack) the > > > "@false", > > > ligne 68 of src/aldor/libaxiom.mk : -> > >=20 +> > > > > > $(MID)/as/attrib.as:: $(INT)/algebra/ATTREG.spad > > > @echo "Please add new attributes to > > $(Ax0Dir)/attrib.as.head" > > > # @false -> > >=20 +> > > > > > You can probably "touch" src/aldor/as/attrib.as.head as well. See > > > > > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-04/msg0 > 0285.html -> > >=20 -> > >=20 +> > > +> > > > > > Greg -> > >=20 -> > >=20 -> > >=20 +> > > +> > > +> > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > CY @@ -27645,32 +19491,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCNZA-0000lM-MH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:32:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCNZ8-0000k7-VY - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:32:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCNZ3-0000hu-GT - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:32:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCNZ3-0000hk-C9 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:32:09 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GCNei-0008FD-NB - for list; 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It should generate token.h, | not token.c. hyper.pamphlet does a #include for token.h. This is likely @@ -28934,34 +20293,8 @@ branch. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSiY-0004mQ-N7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:02:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSiW-0004iw-3F - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:02:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSiV-0004hl-AB - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:02:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCSiU-0004hQ-Sd - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:02:15 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCSoD-0001KP-1d - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:08:09 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7E324j1025843 - for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:02:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12534 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 03:02:05 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 14 Aug 2006 03:02:05 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7E2s9311745; - Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:54:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:54:09 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:11:06 +0200) Subject: Re: patches @@ -29008,40 +20341,14 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSjf-0006O1-Dt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:03:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSjd-0006MN-S9 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:03:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSjd-0006L6-7s - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:03:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCSjd-0006Kf-0c - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:03:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCSpL-0001am-9V - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:09:19 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BD140F53; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:03:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7E32oFf004762; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:02:52 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7E32o3R004761; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:02:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 05:02:50 +0200 Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -29064,26 +20371,7 @@ Can we just have the documentations as part of the SVN repository? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSqv-0004J7-Ad - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:10:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSqt-0004J1-7Y - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:10:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSqr-0004Ip-1o - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:10:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCSqq-0004Im-VV - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:10:52 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.81] (helo=mail261.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCSwZ-0002YS-KG - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:16:47 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail261.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7E3ARuW007176; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:10:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: pamphlet problems Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:10:22 -0400 @@ -29129,34 +20417,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSx1-0001ny-04 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSwz-0001nq-NM - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSwy-0001nQ-83 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCSwy-0001nM-5j - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:12 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCT2g-0002pO-RX - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:23:07 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7E3H1Zo030447 - for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16827 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 03:17:02 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 14 Aug 2006 03:17:02 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7E396o11768; - Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:09:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:09:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:11:06 +0200) Subject: Re: patches @@ -29194,28 +20456,9 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSxZ-0002C8-AN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSxX-0002Bk-80 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCSxV-00029n-0t - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCSxU-00029h-OA - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCT3B-0002ri-R5 - for list; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:23:39 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7E3HHBS025064; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Has anybody attempted to +Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? 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Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:28:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:28:53 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: list @@ -29950,32 +20943,6 @@ I'm all ears. :) \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCWrJ-0001VP-GE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:27:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCWrH-0001VD-Qt - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:27:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCWrG-0001V1-A6 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:27:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCWrG-0001Uy-0K - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:27:34 -0400 -Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GCWx1-0006dT-4s - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:33:31 -0400 -Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCWr3-0006Cy-Co - for list; 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Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:21:21 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: patches <44D89B7A.5040407@hemmecke.de> @@ -30539,7 +21314,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:21:21 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > > Another alternative that I have been thinking about is only | > > supporting a "diff and patch" interface for the online wiki version @@ -30559,32 +21334,6 @@ particular skill set. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeIM-0007eW-Nw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:24:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeIK-0007dc-Ha - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:24:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeIK-0007dB-0e - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:24:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCeIJ-0007d7-MS - for list; 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Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:29:01 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Building Axiom with unmodified noweb <200608140332.k7E3W9D11779@localhost.localdomain> @@ -30642,7 +21365,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:29:01 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -30662,32 +21385,6 @@ noise. Fortunately, we're working to improve thge situation. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeOd-0005sF-QZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:30:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeOb-0005pE-Il - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:30:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeOZ-0005lY-Ff - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:30:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeOZ-0005l9-6X; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:30:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GCeUO-0005vm-Vp; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:36:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FF5410DF; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:30:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EFTqxU012747; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:29:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EFTq01012746; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:29:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke <200608030112.k731CSF03103@localhost.localdomain> @@ -30715,32 +21412,6 @@ I would like to see the document script either go away or deeply improved. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeS9-0007S3-Ve - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeS8-0007Rx-Ie - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeS7-0007Rl-19 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCeS6-0007Ri-Sg - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:34:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCeXw-0006IK-Oc - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:40:08 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D9441065; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:34:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EFXVXa012770; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:33:34 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EFXVt8012769; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:33:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: /dev/null, noweb and Axiom <44DDBA18.3050203@hemmecke.de> @@ -30749,7 +21420,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:33:31 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > > I disagree with the idea that writing to /dev/null should be banned. | > @@ -30780,40 +21451,14 @@ system) and does not have /dev/null? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeT4-0000SH-La - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:35:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeT3-0000Qs-3k - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:35:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeT2-0000QQ-OP - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:35:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCeT2-0000QG-J4 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:35:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCeYs-0006QC-Ed - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:41:06 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E1741035; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:35:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EFYSZX013150; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:34:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EFYSDl013149; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:34:28 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:34:28 +0200 Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On August 13, 2006 11:03 PM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -30845,39 +21490,13 @@ The one we currently have as wiki. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeVQ-0003fo-BH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:37:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeVO-0003dV-Gr - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:37:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCeVN-0003bv-Fe - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:37:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCeVN-0003bb-47 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:37:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCebC-0006b2-QR - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:43:31 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8F3410B7; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:37:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EFar0V013157; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:36:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EFarQY013156; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:36:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:36:53 +0200 Cc: list, dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: configure on MAC/FreeBSD -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Gaby, | @@ -30893,34 +21512,8 @@ anything. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCg31-0002vT-Ed - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:16:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCg2z-0002rc-IN - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:16:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCg2x-0002o0-V3 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:16:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCg2x-0002nk-IM - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCg8o-0007YY-CX - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:22:18 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7EHG8mA002842 - for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:16:11 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17570 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 17:16:08 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 14 Aug 2006 17:16:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7EH87x12525; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:08:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:08:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis on 14 Aug 2006 17:33:31 +0200) Subject: Re: /dev/null, noweb and Axiom @@ -31001,28 +21594,9 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgKh-0006tF-FP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgKg-0006sp-Cp - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgKd-0006oo-O3 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCgKd-0006oW-JA - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:31 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.83] (helo=mail263.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCgQU-0001L8-Gt - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:40:34 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail263.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7EHY683025431; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Has anybody attempted to +Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:00 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -31036,7 +21610,7 @@ On August 14, 2006 11:34 AM Gaby wrote: > | > repository? > | > > | -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | ??? What "documentations" are you talking about? > > The one we currently have as wiki. @@ -31058,35 +21632,16 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgRV-0003Mb-8u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgRT-0003JV-8m - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgRS-0003Ih-Hr - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCgRS-0003Ic-Fr - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:34 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCgXJ-0001mQ-GO - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:47:37 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7EHf8Tx003092; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: configure on MAC/FreeBSD +Subject: re: configure on MAC/FreeBSD Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:02 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net On August 14, 2006 11:37 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | Gaby, > | @@ -31156,28 +21711,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgbO-0003zD-Ms - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgbM-0003yu-Po - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCgbL-0003yZ-BD - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCgbL-0003yW-65 - for list; 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Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:56:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: configure on MAC/FreeBSD From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -32079,34 +22312,8 @@ Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChdv-0007Yt-K0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:58:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChdu-0007Yc-7K - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:58:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChdr-0007YH-Lv - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:58:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GChdr-0007YA-HI - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:58:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GChjj-00076m-8w - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:31 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7EIwPDx017924 - for ; 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Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChjk-0004ER-0G - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChji-0004Bu-LC - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GChji-0004BQ-D0 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:30 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.46] (helo=vms046pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GChpa-0007V8-5h - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:10:34 -0400 -Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.84.130.52]) - by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4000APO4ZC5WV4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:04:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:29 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Bill Page Message-id: <44E0C93D.FCE01ED3@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -32354,28 +22515,7 @@ William \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChsF-0002Wx-IM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Of course, it depends on the semantics you espect on the date. -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > Come to think of it, each pamphlet file should include a revision > history, with dates, much like code. So we should have latex macros @@ -32408,32 +22548,6 @@ David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChuB-0003cR-L9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:15:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChu9-0003bo-MD - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:15:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChu8-0003bc-8w - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:15:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GChu8-0003bZ-3P; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:15:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GCi00-0008SL-1N; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:21:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A842741142; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:15:13 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EJEedC018523; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:14:42 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EJEeqh018522; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:14:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly <200608030112.k731CSF03103@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32448,7 +22562,7 @@ Date: 14 Aug 2006 21:14:40 +0200 Cc: list, axiom-mail@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > It stands in my way for having a more structured build system. | > @@ -32544,34 +22658,8 @@ aXiom. And document is also generated by configure. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiXE-0008D7-Ms - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:55:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiXC-0008Ai-Il - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:55:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiXA-00089W-St - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:55:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCiXA-00089Q-Gi - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:55:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCid2-00034c-Ov - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:01:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7EJtIeG014535 - for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:55:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5596 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2006 19:55:18 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 14 Aug 2006 19:55:18 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7EJlIK12752; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:47:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:47:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis on 14 Aug 2006 21:14:40 +0200) <200608030112.k731CSF03103@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32625,32 +22713,6 @@ Keeper of the Flame and secret pyromaniac. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiwX-0000lz-GS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:21:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiwV-0000lU-9K - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:21:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiwU-0000lF-LF - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:21:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCiwU-0000lC-F3; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:21:46 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GCj2N-00059x-0D; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:27:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBDD40F56; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:21:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EKLA86020198; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:21:12 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EKLADw020197; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:21:10 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly <200608030112.k731CSF03103@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32667,7 +22729,7 @@ Date: 14 Aug 2006 22:21:09 +0200 Cc: list, axiom-mail@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > As you can see, document insists on LaTeXing a file, which, as I said, | > when in a design-code-build-test mode, I'm not interested in. It just @@ -32734,27 +22796,6 @@ they must be done before modification happens in the repositories. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjR1-0006Ge-GB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:53:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjQz-0006FS-PH - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:53:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjQv-0006CD-KK - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:53:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjQv-0006C1-8q; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:53:13 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.23] (helo=smtp-msa-out08.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GCjWn-0007wo-W2; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:59:18 -0400 -Received: from morgana (ARennes-257-1-49-109.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr - [81.53.128.109]) - by mwinf0809.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 782FC1C001D5; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:53:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from david by morgana with local (Exim 4.50) - id 1GCjS6-0002jq-Dg; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:54:26 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb <200608030112.k731CSF03103@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32840,28 +22881,6 @@ David MENTRE David Mentre -- http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjYg-0004d7-VC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:01:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjYf-0004cl-Pa - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:01:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjYd-0004cZ-BO - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:01:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCjYd-0004cW-6E - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:01:11 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCjeV-0000AC-VM - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:07:16 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7EL0rGP007448 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:00:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:04:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: David Mentre @@ -32879,7 +22898,7 @@ an identical file appears in another branch of Axiom. Those two files will probably have different times and all you see in the .dvi is that they seem to be different. -> William Sit writes: +> William Sit writes: > >> Come to think of it, each pamphlet file should include a revision >> history, with dates, much like code. So we should have latex macros @@ -32898,32 +22917,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjg5-0008Ea-UL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:08:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjg3-0008B9-SD - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:08:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjfz-0007ym-5P - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:08:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCjfy-0007yX-Vy; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:08:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GCjls-00017h-1G; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:14:52 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E8840F6A; - Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:08:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7EL8BFT021278; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:08:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7EL8Bsu021277; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:08:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: David Mentre Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Re: noweb <200608030112.k731CSF03103@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32970,31 +22963,8 @@ a patch and pray Father Tim accepts it :-) \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCk2n-0000Gh-9I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:32:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCk2m-0000F8-AN - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:32:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCk2j-0000Aa-MJ - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:32:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCk2j-0000AR-Ib - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:32:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GCk8c-0001GZ-Ry - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:38:23 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCk2G-0007QW-BZ - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:31:50 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-109-106.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-109-106.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.186.106]) - by mwinf1913.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4C4241C00083 - for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:31:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:32:08 +0200 Subject: Hypertex and util.ht @@ -33132,34 +23102,15 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCkXE-0001gp-Oo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCkXD-0001gZ-GS - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCkXC-0001gH-1j - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCkXB-0001gE-VX - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:03:45 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCkd5-00008r-FI - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:09:51 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-109-106.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-109-106.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.208.186.106]) - by mwinf1918.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6AC741C00081 - for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Hypertex and util.ht From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:04:09 +0200 Le lundi 14 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 23:32 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit : > Hello, ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Hypertex does not work for me with the last version of axiom (gold) > checked out from cvs at Savannah. I have just a white window with two > buttons (exit and help) that do not work. @@ -33174,28 +23125,8 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCkfb-0005ri-Ui - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCkfa-0005rM-Mu - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCkfX-0005qZ-M4 - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCkfX-0005qV-EE - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:23 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.42] (helo=vms042pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCklR-0001FR-4y - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:18:29 -0400 -Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.84.130.52]) - by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4000H1UDO3YQY6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:12:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:07 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Ralf Hemmecke Message-id: <44E0F537.7FA9F953@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -33222,7 +23153,7 @@ Why would two identical files have different modification time? I suppose people are not careful with using -p to copy files? Ok, forget that, but then insist that \date appears hardcoded. -> > William Sit writes: +> > William Sit writes: > > > >> Come to think of it, each pamphlet file should include a revision > >> history, with dates, much like code. So we should have latex macros @@ -33269,27 +23200,8 @@ William \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCpxf-0003XT-HX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCpxe-0003Wi-0v - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCpxc-0003U0-GC - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCpxc-0003Tb-Ap - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:24 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCq3Z-0001BY-6r - for list; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:57:33 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7F3oalD022645; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:51:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:50:16 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -33335,26 +23247,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCqQ9-0005ca-Da - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:20:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCqQ7-0005Yd-5R - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:20:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCqQ5-0005VB-EM - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:20:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCqQ5-0005Uv-4y - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:20:49 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCqW2-00034Q-Aj - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:26:58 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7F4JpYd014541; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:20:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Old Lisp Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:19:35 -0400 @@ -33397,26 +23290,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCqp6-0006vK-6h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:46:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCqp5-0006uv-BP - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:46:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCqp4-0006uG-Oi - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:46:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCqp4-0006u7-EX - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:46:38 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GCqv1-0004hu-QP - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:52:48 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7F4jm0V028869; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:46:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: Old Lisp Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:45:36 -0400 @@ -33432,7 +23306,7 @@ Thanks. On August 12, 2006 10:34 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | On August 12, 2006 8:56 PM Gaby wrote: > | > ... @@ -33514,39 +23388,13 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCsEg-0006fP-Jx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:17:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCsEf-0006f7-6G - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:17:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GCsEd-0006et-0B - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:17:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCsEc-0006eq-Ql - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:17:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GCsKb-0003Kk-8i - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:23:17 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C132F40E22; 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Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -33803,35 +23590,9 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GD7md-0004w5-6y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GD7mb-0004vy-SZ - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GD7mZ-0004tf-5U - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD7mZ-0004tU-1y - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GD7sg-000279-PI - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:59:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 11591689F1; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:09 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 15A8C68A36; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:07 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:06 -0400 -Thread-Topic: building Silver -Thread-Index: Aca/5d8uzGUdUKLeQuyO8SKCiwACtAA12h8g From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: building Silver @@ -33864,57 +23625,31 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GD81O-0002Op-6i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GD81M-0002MC-DY - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GD81L-0002L9-3b - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GD81K-0002Kx-T4 - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GD87T-0003qq-3D - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:14:47 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 251AD68783; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7737268760; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: building Silver Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:08:24 -0400 -Thread-Topic: building Silver -Thread-Index: Aca/5d8uzGUdUKLeQuyO8SKCiwACtAA12h8gAACFVyA= From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:53 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I get the following error message at the end of ->=20 +> > $ ./configure ->=20 +> > ... > config.status: creating Makefile > config.status: error: cannot find input file: config/setup-dep.mk ->=20 +> > $ ls config > config.guess config.sub install-sh missing ->=20 +> > --------- ->=20 +> > Any idea what is going wrong? ->=20 +> The ChangeLog says: @@ -33932,32 +23667,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDAOy-0002lf-Bv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:41:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDAOw-0002jT-9g - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:40:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDAOt-0002fJ-6X - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:40:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDAOt-0002f4-1f - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:40:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDAV2-0007LH-Lf - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:47:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883E64105F; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:40:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7G1eEtq012143; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:40:17 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7G1eErs012142; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:40:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building Silver From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -34004,59 +23713,33 @@ Please try again and let me know. Sorry for that. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDAjt-0005X3-DL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDAjq-0005Rd-PI - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDAjo-0005Ox-SW - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDAjo-0005Ol-Ox - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:32 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDApy-0000VT-Hg - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:08:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DCBDF68C0E; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:31 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3D6EC68BFA; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:31 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: building Silver Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:02:30 -0400 -Thread-Topic: building Silver -Thread-Index: AcbA1Qys4empad23QIWHVm6IkrVSzwAAkW5g From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:40 PM you wrote: > Bill Page wrote: > ... -> |=20 +> | > | The ChangeLog says: -> |=20 +> | > | $ more ChangeLog.* > | 2006-08-13 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -> |=20 +> | > | * config/setup-dep.mk: New file. > | ... -> |=20 +> | > | But svn update wont give me the file. Maybe you forgot to > | add it? ->=20 +> > Yes, I did forgpt to add it. How embarrasing :-( > Please try again and let me know. Sorry for that. ->=20 +> No problem! @@ -34071,33 +23754,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBMR-0000DU-Bi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBMQ-0000DP-DJ - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBMP-0000D0-DT - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDBMP-0000Cq-7h - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDBSZ-00049h-9o - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:48:47 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5DE2668C42; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 77D5068C41; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:42:22 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: AcbAuMbDEn2RUR7LSX6iCjza9qU4dwAIcgmg From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Cc: Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org, list @@ -34147,20 +23804,20 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire]=20 +> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:19 PM > To: Tim Daly -> Cc: Bill Page;=20 -> list; Gabriel Dos Reis;=20 +> Cc: Bill Page; +> list; Gabriel Dos Reis; > gcl-devel@gnu.org; Robert Boyer > Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) ->=20 +> > Greetings! ->=20 +> > --- axiom-20050901.orig/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet > +++ axiom-20050901/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet > @@ -103,10 +103,10 @@ -> =20 +> > #+(AND KCL (NOT ELF)) > (Clines > -"unsigned int MYCOMBINE(i,j)" @@ -34169,7 +23826,7 @@ Bill Page. > +"int i,j;" > "{" > -"return ( (((j & 16777215) << 6)+i) % 1073741789);" -> +"return ( (((((unsigned int)j) & 16777215) << 6)+((unsigned=20 +> +"return ( (((((unsigned int)j) & 16777215) << 6)+((unsigned > int)i)) % 1073741789);" > "}" > ) @@ -34178,93 +23835,67 @@ Bill Page. > +++ axiom-20050901/src/interp/hash.lisp.pamphlet > @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@ > (define-function 'HASHTABLE-CLASS #'system::hash-table-test) -> =20 +> > #+AKCL -> -(clines "static int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return=20 +> -(clines "static int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return > ((short *)x)[i];}") -> +(clines "int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return ((short=20 +> +(clines "int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return ((short > *)x)[i];}") > #+AKCL > (defentry memory-value-short(object int) (int "mem_value")) -> =20 +> > --- axiom-20050901.orig/src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet > +++ axiom-20050901/src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet > @@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ > (defentry sock_send_int (int int) (int "sock_send_int")) -> (defentry sock_get_string_buf (int string int) (int=20 +> (defentry sock_get_string_buf (int string int) (int > "sock_get_string_buf")) -> (defentry sock_send_string_len (int string int) (int=20 +> (defentry sock_send_string_len (int string int) (int > "sock_send_string_len")) > - (defentry sock_get_float (int) (float "sock_get_float")) > + (defentry sock_get_float (int) (double "sock_get_float")) > (defentry sock_send_float (int float) (int "sock_send_float")) > (defentry sock_send_wakeup (int int) (int "sock_send_wakeup")) > (defentry server_switch () (int "server_switch")) ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Please let me know if there is any problem with these. ->=20 +> > Take care, ->=20 -> root Tim Daly writes: ->=20 +> +> Tim Daly writes: +> > > Camm, -> >=20 -> > > I had to make the following modifications to 20050901 to=20 +> > +> > > I had to make the following modifications to 20050901 to > work with the > > > latest 2.6.8pre: -> >=20 +> > > > Axiom has had several releases since 20050901. > > What do we need to do to bring it up to date? -> >=20 +> > > > t -> >=20 -> >=20 -> >=20 ->=20 -> --=20 +> > +> > +> > +> +> -- > Camm Maguire =09 > Camm Maguire > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." --=20 +========================== +========================== +============ +> ============ +> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- > Baha'u'llah ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBgf-0006c7-Vj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:03:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBge-0006bc-DU - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:03:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBgb-0006b3-28 - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:03:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDBga-0006aw-Rj - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:03:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDBml-0005M4-4u - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:09:39 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7G331HW022060 - for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:03:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11001 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 03:03:02 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Aug 2006 03:03:02 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7G2t4d13617; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:55:04 -0400 +> + + + +\start Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:55:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 15 Aug 2006 18:18:36 -0400) <54ac6b4ah9.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -34278,33 +23909,7 @@ patches applied. testing restarted. --t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBsG-0006b5-QE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBsF-0006an-Ij - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDBsE-0006aO-7i - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDBsD-0006aE-SO - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDByO-0006OW-Ci - for list; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:21:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2922D68CA6; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EBB5968CA5; - Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:15:13 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: AcbA4Ig4Tw2hM5JxQcSvudId4as14wAAOpVQ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Cc: Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Camm Maguire, @@ -34314,9 +23919,9 @@ Subject: RE: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) Tim, On Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:55 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > patches applied. testing restarted. --t ->=20 +> Do you recall that this patch also involves a new version of gcl-2.6.8pre? I am not sure whether the patch is applicable to @@ -34327,146 +23932,124 @@ Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire]=20 +> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:24 AM > To: Bill Page -> Cc: list; Tim Daly;=20 +> Cc: list; Tim Daly; > Gabriel Dos Reis; gcl-devel@gnu.org; Robert Boyer > Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) ->=20 +> > Greetings! ->=20 +> > I had to make the following modifications to 20050901 to work with the > latest 2.6.8pre: ->=20 +> > /fix/t1/camm/debian/axiom/axiom-20050901/int/interp/hash.lisp: > remove static ->=20 -> (clines "int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return ((short=20 +> +> (clines "int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return ((short > *)x)[i];}") > #+AKCL > (defentry memory-value-short(object int) (int "mem_value")) ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > /fix/t1/camm/debian/axiom/axiom-20050901/int/interp/cfuns.lisp > : match unsigned/signed ->=20 +> > #+(AND KCL (NOT ELF)) > (Clines > "int MYCOMBINE(i,j)" > "int i,j;" > "{" -> "return ( (((((unsigned int)j) & 16777215) << 6)+((unsigned=20 +> "return ( (((((unsigned int)j) & 16777215) << 6)+((unsigned > int)i)) % 1073741789);" > "}" > ) ->=20 +> > /fix/t1/camm/debian/axiom/axiom-20050901/int/interp/sockio.lis > p: match float/double ->=20 +> > (clines "extern float sock_get_float();") > (defentry open_server (string) (int "open_server")) > (defentry sock_get_int (int) (int "sock_get_int")) > (defentry sock_send_int (int int) (int "sock_send_int")) -> (defentry sock_get_string_buf (int string int) (int=20 +> (defentry sock_get_string_buf (int string int) (int > "sock_get_string_buf")) -> (defentry sock_send_string_len (int string int) (int=20 +> (defentry sock_send_string_len (int string int) (int > "sock_send_string_len")) > (defentry sock_get_float (int) (float "sock_get_float")) ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > The defentry code has been enhanced to support xgcl natively. ->=20 +> > I just did a successful build of axiom 20050901 and acl2 3.0.1 with > the same maxpage -- hope this works for you, though you might still > have a stack/heap collision problem on your machine. ->=20 +> > Take care, ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 -> > Camm,=20 -> >=20 +> +> > Camm, +> > > > On Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:59 PM you wrote: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Greetings! FYI, just committed the removal of the > > > power of 2 constraint on maxpage in both cvs head and > > > version 2.6.8pre. -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > Thanks for looking into this. -> >=20 +> > > > I just grabbed 2.6.8pre from cvs into a temp directory and > > created a replacement tarball for the Axiom build, thus: -> >=20 +> > > > cd /home/page/temp-dir -> > export CVSROOT=3D:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl +> > export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl > > cvs -z9 -q co -d gcl-2.6.8pre -r Version_2_6_8pre gcl > > tar czvf gcl-2.6.8pre.tgz gcl-2.6.8pre > > cd /home/page/axiom.build-improvements/zips > > mv gcl-2.6.8pre.tgz old_gcl-2.6.8pre.tgz > > mv /home/page/temp-dir/gcl-2.6.8pre.tgz . > > cd /home/page/axiom.build-improvements -> >=20 +> > > > I edited the GCLOPTS in Makefile from -> > --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 +> > --enable-maxpage=256*1024 > > to -> > --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 +> > --enable-maxpage=196*1024 > > resulting in -> >=20 -> > GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ -> > --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 -> >=20 +> > +> > GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ +> > --enable-maxpage=196*1024 +> > > > in the default build for Axiom Silver build-improvements branch: -> >=20 +> > > > make clean > > ./configure | tee build.log > > make 2>&1 | tee -a build.log -> >=20 +> > > > The build proceeded much further than before - the GCL sub-build > > finished without errors - yeah! But the build of Axiom failed > > with the following error message quite far along into the > > interpsys build phase :( -> >=20 +> > > > error: conflicting types for 'MYCOMBINE' -> >=20 +> > > > This is not something I have seen before. This same source builds > > fine with the older version of 2.6.8pre and 128*256. -> >=20 +> > > > Here is the tail end of the log. I can send you the rest if you > > like. -> >=20 +> > > > Please let me know how I can help. -> >=20 +> > > > Regards, > > Bill Page -> >=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDEcw-0001tw-LT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:11:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDEcu-0001tT-Qi - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:11:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDEct-0001rw-9o - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:11:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDEct-0001re-6z - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:11:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GDEj5-0000ga-Kb - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:18:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDEcr-0007mg-Oi - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:11:38 -0400 -Received: from hawkings (hawkings.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k7G5OCNQ004381; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:24:12 +0200 +> > + + + +\start Subject: Re: Old Lisp From: Gernot Hueber To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -34478,30 +24061,30 @@ Cc: list Hi, On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 08:16 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> Bill Page writes: +> > | Gaby, -> |=20 +> | > | On August 13, 2006 10:24 AM you wrote: -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Ed Borasky writes: > | > [...] -> | >=20 -> | > | 3. If you have GCL installed, does Axiom still build its=20 +> | > +> | > | 3. If you have GCL installed, does Axiom still build its > | > | own copy, or does it know about the installed version? -> | >=20 +> | > > | > You can convince Axiom to use the installed GCL by defining the -> | > variable GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-system -- this is what FreeBSD folks do, +> | > variable GCLVERSION=gcl-system -- this is what FreeBSD folks do, > | > according to the documentation. > | > -> |=20 +> | > | I am not sure that this option is currently working on FreeBSD. > I was just repeating what the pamphlet file says :-) ->=20 +> > | Can anyone confirm? ->=20 ->=20 +> +> I can confirm, it is.I have requested access to SF compile farm. I hope to be in position > to test tomorrow, but we should definitely have some *BSD guys shime it. @@ -34511,15 +24094,15 @@ etc (off-the-list) Gernot ->=20 +> > -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ---=20 +-- DI Gernot Hueber Johannes-Kepler Universtit=E4t Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen @@ -34533,36 +24116,10 @@ Email hueber at riic.at \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDJtK-0001M1-TM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDJtJ-0001Lw-6Z - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDJtG-0001JR-Qw - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDJtG-0001JF-J5 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDJzW-00051b-2W - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:55:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 978E768F09; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 312B468DF6; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:48:48 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Sage on MathAction -Thread-Index: AcbA4Ig4Tw2hM5JxQcSvudId4as14wAAOpVQABGzcUA= From: Bill Page To: -Cc: William Stein +Cc: William Stein Subject: Sage on MathAction Axiom Developers and computer algebra enthusiasts! @@ -34592,34 +24149,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDLyE-0006Nl-Py - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDLyC-0006IZ-M5 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDLyA-0006Eb-Rm - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDLyA-0006EB-Hi - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDM4R-0000Sc-20 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:08:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5801468FEE; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4172C689E6; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Sage on MathAction Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:02:03 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Sage on MathAction -Thread-Index: AcbBMFw65DYycvCdR6qtyI55qTSWFgABtB8g From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net @@ -34694,7 +24225,7 @@ Bill Page. ________________________________ - From: Alfredo Portes [mailto:Alfredo Portes]=20 + From: Alfredo Portes [mailto:Alfredo Portes] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:35 AM To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Sage on MathAction @@ -34708,8 +24239,8 @@ ________________________________ =09 Do people in Sage considering including Axiom??? =09 - Whenever LatexWiki gets updated with these changes please=20 - let me know or if you have plans of using the new version of=20 + Whenever LatexWiki gets updated with these changes please + let me know or if you have plans of using the new version of ZWiki available. =09 Again, props on this incredible job, @@ -34717,7 +24248,7 @@ ________________________________ Regards, =09 =09 - On 8/16/06, Bill Page wrote:=20 + On 8/16/06, Bill Page wrote: Axiom Developers and computer algebra enthusiasts! =09 @@ -34732,7 +24263,7 @@ will find that Sage is quite different than any other computer algebra system with which you might be familiar - truly -a=20 +a "new generation". =09 This approach to interfacing with Sage is based directly @@ -34740,7 +24271,7 @@ on the work of Gonzalo Tornaria and Joe Wetherell et al. for use with LaTeX. The LatexWiki software on which MathAction -is=20 +is based needed only minor modifications to make direct use of the 'examples/latex_embed' code in the Sage distribution. @@ -34759,33 +24290,7 @@ distribution. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDMlZ-0003Sm-Tg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:53:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDMlY-0003Qy-N0 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:53:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDMlW-0003PM-3z - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:53:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDMlW-0003PJ-1T - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:53:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDMrn-0004rT-4F - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:59:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F28C168EA7; 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Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:14:48 +0200 -To: wstein@gmail.com +To: William Stein Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Sage on MathAction From: Martin Rubey @@ -35456,36 +24818,10 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSTD-0005sL-BM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSTB-0005qU-Ub - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDST9-0005lG-CS - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDST9-0005l0-9M - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:31 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDSZT-00023g-Tj - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:05:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 79E586900F; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:30 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9EC7568F6F; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Sage on MathAction Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:35 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Sage on MathAction -Thread-Index: AcbBUrp2S8qyYhGrQriikDA1QQ9WSwAFoSXQ From: Bill Page -To: +To: William Stein Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:40 PM William Stein wrote: @@ -35497,14 +24833,14 @@ On Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:40 PM William Stein wrote: > > pretty good basis on which to start to build an Axiom interface. > > > > Is anyone interested? ->=20 +> > Well I definitely am interested. I've already started thinking > about writing an interface. Wonderful! > Here are some quick questions to get things started: ->=20 +> > -- Is there a way to get a list of all the types that are > defined in a given Axiom session? @@ -35523,33 +24859,33 @@ E.g. Type: Void (3) -> M:Matrix Integer Type: Void -(4) -> f(x)=3D=3Dx+1 +(4) -> f(x)==x+1 Type: Void (5) -> g:(Integer,Float)->String Type: Void -(6) -> g(x,y)=3D=3Dunparse((y^x)::InputForm) +(6) -> g(x,y)==unparse((y^x)::InputForm) Type: Void (6) -> )display properties Properties of % : Value (has type Void): "()" Properties of %e : This is a system-defined macro. - macro %e () =3D=3D exp(1) + macro %e () == exp(1) Properties of %i : This is a system-defined macro. - macro %i () =3D=3D complex(0,1) + macro %i () == complex(0,1) Properties of %infinity : This is a system-defined macro. - macro %infinity () =3D=3D infinity() + macro %infinity () == infinity() Properties of %minusInfinity : This is a system-defined macro. - macro %minusInfinity () =3D=3D minusInfinity() + macro %minusInfinity () == minusInfinity() Properties of %pi : This is a system-defined macro. - macro %pi () =3D=3D pi() + macro %pi () == pi() Properties of %plusInfinity : This is a system-defined macro. - macro %plusInfinity () =3D=3D plusInfinity() + macro %plusInfinity () == plusInfinity() Properties of I : Declared type or mode: Integer Properties of M : @@ -35558,17 +24894,17 @@ Properties of S : Declared type or mode: String Properties of SF : This is a system-defined macro. - macro SF () =3D=3D DoubleFloat() + macro SF () == DoubleFloat() Properties of f : This is an interpreter function. - Definition: f x =3D=3D x + 1 + Definition: f x == x + 1 Properties of g : Declared type or mode: ((Integer,Float) -> String) This is an interpreter function. This depends on the following functions or rules: String OutputForm concat string latex Float InputForm unparse x - Definition: g (x,y) =3D=3D unparse((y ) :: InputForm) + Definition: g (x,y) == unparse((y ) :: InputForm) -------- @@ -35617,7 +24953,7 @@ Integer,...) ---------- -> -- If X is an Axiom variable, is there a way to ask the=20 +> -- If X is an Axiom variable, is there a way to ask the > Axiom command line for a list of function that take X as > the first argument? @@ -35642,7 +24978,7 @@ other user interfaces such as Axiom's browser HyperTex. > -- Could you give me an example that illustrates "exec"'ing > the contents of a text file from within Axiom? (This > sort of thing is used by SAGE when input lines are huge.) ->=20 +> The usual command is @@ -35661,33 +24997,11 @@ languages. I hope this helps. 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- Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:06:49 +0200 +Bill Page. + + + +\start Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:10:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Camm Maguire @@ -35710,60 +25024,34 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSn7-0001SI-Sp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSn6-0001S1-Bu - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSn5-0001Rp-PU - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDSn5-0001Re-E9 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:07 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDStQ-0003w2-ED - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:25:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C201169101; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4B39F690F8; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:19:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: AcbBb462R0fFibw/TgyrhPNQcXa0ZAACSu5Q From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Cc: Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org, list Subject: RE: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:05 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > > With your patch below applied to the current Silver version > > of Axiom with the modified gcl-2.6.8pre pulled from cvs, > > I get a different result, but an error persists: -> >=20 +> > > > $tail -18 build3.log -> >=20 -> > Loading=20 +> > +> > Loading > /home/page/axiom.build-improvements/obj/linux/interp/cformat.o > > start address -T 0x857a700 Finished loading > > /home/page/axiom.build-improvements/obj/linux/interp/cformat.o > > Loading /home/page/axiom.build-improvements/obj/linux/interp/cfuns.o > > directoryp is undefined -> >=20 +> > > > Error: Cannot get relocated section contents -> >=20 -> ...=20 +> > +> ... > My apologies -- all my testing is with the Debian package, so > I did not see this. @@ -35800,32 +25088,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSqQ-0002pB-M6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:21:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid <54k65878g9.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -35859,34 +25121,12 @@ svn repo; that is the silver branch. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSzC-0006fS-K5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:31:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSzB-0006fA-FW - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:31:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDSz9-0006eO-TM - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:31:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDSz9-0006eB-KZ - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:31:35 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GDT5U-0004fu-M1 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:38:08 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7GLVNGP003607 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:31:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:35:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Sage on MathAction <9qzme44eve.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, list, +Cc: William Stein, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> -- If X is an Axiom variable, is there a way to ask the Axiom command @@ -35937,42 +25177,16 @@ Would you like \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDTYj-0006hW-Ry - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDTYi-0006gi-4s - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDTYf-0006dC-Hf - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDTYf-0006d0-7L - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDTf0-0007jT-NR - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:14:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 94F50690EA; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:16 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D958C690CB; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:14 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:08:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Thread-Index: AcbBeICviJujYuJVSlu2L8ILDE7xkQABFbSQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, August 16, 2006 5:15 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I actually wanted to ask the question whether axiom.risc is > setup in such a way that I could edit a wiki page there and > it would be magically syncronize with the axiom-developer wiki... @@ -35998,14 +25212,14 @@ propagate and test the changes to the underlying Python code. Yes. I confirm that I do not have any access to the server. Not even network ping. So it's either dead or disconnected. ->=20 +> > I have to figure out the reason tomorrow. > Ok, please let me know. -=20 + > But still, could you answer my question. ->=20 +> Would you like to know more about how to do the ZSyncer? @@ -36019,28 +25233,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDU8N-0001kY-Dj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:45:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDU8M-0001kN-1e - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:45:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDU8H-0001jr-HF - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:45:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDU8H-0001jo-AY - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:45:05 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GDUEd-00027M-2Z - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:51:39 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7GMixGP004919 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:45:03 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:48:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -36062,44 +25254,18 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDUOi-0003kZ-Lu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:02:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDUOd-0003fa-41 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDUOa-0003cf-U6 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:01:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDUOY-0003b6-F6 - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:01:55 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDUUr-0003TU-Jo - for list; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:08:26 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D5A1A68D7E; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:01:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 268CE68D3A; - Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:01:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:01:45 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Thread-Index: AcbBhcpuAkM5fReWRaSgdTp5AGxNOwAADTAg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:49 PM you wrote: -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > Would you like to know more about how to do the ZSyncer? ->=20 +> > Before I take a closer look to the documentation, your > description sounds as if I have to sync manually. I though > that just using axiom.risc (reading/editing) would @@ -36122,8 +25288,8 @@ machine in order to generate the computational results and the LaTeX graphics. This regeneration is transparent to the user and occurs when the new/revised page is first requested. ->=20 -> And what about the portal, i.e. the plone stuff? No no, you=20 +> +> And what about the portal, i.e. the plone stuff? No no, you > don't need to install anything if it is not there. I am > just curious. > @@ -36137,28 +25303,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDegh-0005gA-Va - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:01:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDegf-0005dX-MA - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:01:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDegd-0005Zz-CR - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:01:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDegd-0005Zq-8y - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:01:15 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GDen5-0001MX-DN - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:07:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.55] (hemmecke@camp5.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [140.78.116.55]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7HA1CGP027175 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:01:12 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:04:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -36183,27 +25327,8 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDire-0006AU-T0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:28:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDird-00069U-13 - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:28:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDirb-00068n-9h - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:28:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDirb-00068k-7A - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:28:51 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDiy6-0000iD-6n - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:35:34 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-7-49.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-7-49.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.149.49]) - by mwinf1909.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 529A61C0008C - for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:28:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:29:31 +0200 Subject: repetition of \subsection{Layer21} in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -36219,46 +25344,20 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnfm-00044t-Pz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnfl-00044E-Bz - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnfk-00043K-Qu - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDnfk-00043F-7o - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDnmH-0004jt-RS - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:43:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 03572696F3; - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3A68E6A609; - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:51 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Thread-Index: AcbB8Hs2mpe6foYARgKodM89zgvCRgAEMaAg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at On Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:34 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > I've found the Sync Tab in the Zope management interface > http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/manage -> and pressed GET for the not up-to-date files. It did do=20 +> and pressed GET for the not up-to-date files. It did do > something, but I don't know why the Frontpage is still > the old one although it is shown with a green tick mark. ->=20 +> I am not sure what went wrong. Did you select those pages and folders that you intented to update? But take care when you @@ -36394,33 +25493,11 @@ http://page.axiom-developer.org:8080/ZSyncer Regards, Bill Page. -=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnv2-0003WQ-31 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:52:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnv1-0003W0-0n - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:52:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnuz-0003Vc-FW - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:52:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDnuz-0003VZ-Am - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:52:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GDo1X-00067D-7N - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:59:27 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7HJqJGP013871 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:52:39 +0200 + + + + +\start Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:56:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -36439,34 +25516,8 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnw6-0004d3-Ed - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnw5-0004c5-KS - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDnw3-0004ZF-TV - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDnw3-0004Z5-LK - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDo2X-0006Ax-UD - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:00:33 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7HJrTRZ020557 - for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:53:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32336 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 19:53:29 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 17 Aug 2006 19:53:29 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7HJjPV15031; - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:45:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:45:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:29:31 +0200) Subject: Re: repetition of \subsection{Layer21} in @@ -36481,44 +25532,18 @@ fixed. available in the next release --t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDo0G-0007X1-Nb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:58:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDo0E-0007Un-4Z - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:58:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDo0B-0007Tt-In - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:58:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDo0B-0007Tc-2f - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:58:03 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GDo6j-0006T6-81 - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:04:49 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 45E096A974; - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C6E2F6A811; - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:58:00 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:57:57 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Thread-Index: AcbCNtXoYuwqqG9nQ5aqx1D9HiPxUAAAB5fg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Thursday, August 17, 2006 3:56 PM you asked: -> ...=20 +> ... > You do a sync every week or so? ->=20 +> Normally every Sunday evening. But sometimes I am later. If there is an important change or set of changes, @@ -36532,28 +25557,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDoAA-0002yq-Mu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:08:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDoA9-0002yl-7E - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:08:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GDoA7-0002yZ-5M - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:08:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDoA7-0002yW-1T - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:08:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GDoGf-0007PH-6o - for list; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:15:05 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7HK8GGP014247 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:08:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:12:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -36576,27 +25579,8 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE4gb-0003os-JQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE4gZ-0003nQ-Um - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE4gY-0003mK-55 - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE4gX-0003m9-UH - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:53 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GE4nG-0000Gf-Dr - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:53:50 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7IDkQR5030500; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: Camm Maguire, 'axiom-dev' @@ -36642,23 +25626,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE57o-0005VJ-P6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:15:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE57m-0005TH-RW - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:15:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE57l-0005SN-8T - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:15:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE57l-0005SK-3r; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GE5ET-0002pa-Pa; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:21:58 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GE57Z-0006FV-00; 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Doye \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE7F8-0000LR-2Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:30:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE7F7-0000LM-6K - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:30:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE7F3-0000Jb-LD - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:30:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GE7F3-0000JY-FX - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:30:41 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GE7Ln-0002B4-IC - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:37:39 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so791283wxc - for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=EBpsPlGVPI3GrM/9UQf5Kt4/5JDzHigDwmXcRnTVmw+rMperiJAlRgT0eORIGZMZu3qsOZmo74pWvfWSJhgBFQkvlzW93Ii8KRpmDhWRkWanuKSDdma+NpacyARQ8Nbb9esVNB8zSdKd3HTTLCXj1azi4HGVFfb9AuO/r46I+aY= -Received: by 10.49.20.5 with SMTP id x5mr4037866nfi; - Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:30:39 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page boundary="----=_Part_13319_33495696.1155918639428" <022701c6c2dc$29bca3a0$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: list, Bob McElrath @@ -38099,33 +26816,10 @@ Again from my point of view this functionality is best implemented
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Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On August 18, 2006 8:09 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > @@ -38671,24 +27241,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE9x7-0007v2-QP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:24:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE9x6-0007uL-Aj - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:24:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE9x4-0007tb-Pb - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:24:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GE9x4-0007tW-Me; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:24:18 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GEA3q-0001Na-Kf; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:31:18 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GE9wq-0003rJ-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:24:04 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Aug 2006 15:24:04 -0400 Cc: list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org @@ -38698,7 +27251,7 @@ Thank you! Off and running ... Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -38729,33 +27282,10 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEAAl-0000aR-Kp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:38:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEAAj-0000ZL-Il - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:38:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEAAh-0000Y0-6x - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:38:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEAAh-0000Xs-2W - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:38:23 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.185] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEAHS-0003RF-Lo - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:45:23 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so1574370nfc - for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=WcJvwMx4M6l8eHL+9T7Z5Y7loJLXZONwjD6bNJ+a+HUsMMPVY8nH2m+IPt8p0QhH+hnWU0umjM6ldA6FFewDgwXVLSmc/UEHdSquL3BRmi2OvCf4esZuuxZjXTD8sB/EFZBIN8orZEVdQdJY2o4bgPyZ+B6Ly4Vw4SiPgqjnzqk= -Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr4482293nfg; - Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:38:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - axiom-developer +To: Bill Page, + list boundary="----=_Part_3929_23514294.1155929896533" Cc: Subject: Axiom LatexWiki @@ -38794,40 +27324,14 @@ Bill any idea what is this:

 \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEAbT-0000P2-6S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:06:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEAbR-0000Nd-9A - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:06:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEAbP-0000LB-LA - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:06:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEAbP-0000Kz-Hh - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:05:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEAiB-0005RM-Mr - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:12:59 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2214105F; - Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:05:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7IK56Vc000543; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:05:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7IK56Ra000542; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:05:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 18 Aug 2006 22:05:06 +0200 Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Camm, | @@ -38852,26 +27356,7 @@ My builds are OK. How are yours, except the GCL issue? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBEL-0006nO-8v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:46:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBEJ-0006n3-Pm - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:46:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBEI-0006mr-Bc - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEBEI-0006mo-8m - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:46:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GEBL4-0008AS-PE - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:53:10 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7IKjos3006438; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:46:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:45:32 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -38906,33 +27391,10 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBQr-00072n-SR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:59:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBQp-0006zk-K9 - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:59:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBQo-0006yl-6P - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:59:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEBQn-0006yi-VV - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:59:05 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.190] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEBXa-0000r8-IE - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:06:06 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so1599836nfc - for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; - b=L3yZ1x7MX2aWC/gpz6Kb+m9mGW83IoWf2Eecnads8wpv0JMDhErILKwKpUuzs96Nl0XH9gZOThP2wjz1e7Jn89DJJunVCrkqWSfjJ9fbBTshu7vToXXqco1nAdYkMLX7xyO45BRF0K6f7KkonGbrxN63lAFObYGzq9rFI07YGac= -Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr4536239nfl; - Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:59:04 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - axiom-developer +To: Bill Page, + list boundary="----=_Part_5522_26430647.1155934744397" Cc: Subject: Another question @@ -38963,24 +27425,7 @@ Bill,

Probably this has come out many times in previous discussions.
G \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBrU-0006Y7-KM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBrT-0006X0-2E - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBrR-0006VH-E1 - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEBrR-0006V9-8Z; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:37 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GEByE-00036s-6Y; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:33:38 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GEBqt-00074n-00; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:03 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Aug 2006 17:26:03 -0400 Cc: list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org @@ -39001,7 +27446,7 @@ not. Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -39032,27 +27477,8 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEC1g-0001gx-Po - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:37:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEC1e-0001fL-R3 - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:37:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEC1d-0001eX-Fq - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:37:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEC1d-0001eU-AZ - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:37:09 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GEC8Q-0003nA-Ce - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:44:10 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7ILaj62015563; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:37:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:36:28 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -39127,39 +27553,13 @@ Jose Alfredo Perez \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GECIt-0002uz-4x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:54:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GECIs-0002uK-1l - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:54:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GECIo-0002sQ-VR - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:54:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GECIo-0002sG-3m - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:54:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GECPb-00058e-7B - for list; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:01:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3636441035; 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Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:58:13 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: tmgisi@gmx.at +To: Christian Aistleitner <44E6170B.1020108@hemmecke.de> <44E63B73.1050403@hemmecke.de> @@ -41284,7 +29180,7 @@ Date: 19 Aug 2006 15:58:13 +0200 Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l@aldor.org Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Using Aldor or SPAD -"Christian Aistleitner" writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: | Hello, | @@ -41338,27 +29234,8 @@ answer any technical question about the *Aldor language*? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GET4O-0004yU-R5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:49:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GET4N-0004yP-W6 - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:49:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GET4L-0004yD-HQ - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:49:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GET4L-0004yA-CX - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:49:05 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GETBJ-0007kA-0o - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:56:17 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-82-212.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-82-212.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.191.212]) - by mwinf1917.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 833761C00086 - for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:48:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:49:54 +0200 Subject: Typo in src/algebra/attreg.spad.pamphlet @@ -41384,27 +29261,8 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GETxf-00007e-2f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:46:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GETxc-00007Z-VJ - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:46:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GETxa-00005P-Gd - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GETxa-00005M-Ac - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:46:10 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEU4Y-0002iW-FD - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:53:22 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-81-248.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-81-248.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.190.248]) - by mwinf1919.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 577E21C0008B - for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:45:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:47:04 +0200 Subject: reproducibility of a segmentation fault when the compiler encounters a macro (with $lisp) badly indented @@ -41444,42 +29302,17 @@ MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray(S:Type, mn:Integer):_ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEUB0-0006EL-Ud - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:59:56 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: reproducibility of a segmentation fault when the compiler encounters a macro (with $lisp) badly indented From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Aug 2006 18:59:55 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hello, ->=20 +> > Is this bug reproducible ? Yes it is. However, I think that the macro definitions should all be indent= @@ -41488,32 +29321,32 @@ by the same amount. I.e., try )abbrev domain MYIARR MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray(S:Type, mn:Integer):_ - Exports =3D=3D Implementation where - Qsetelt =3D=3D> SETELT$Lisp - Qnew =3D=3D> GETREFV$Lisp + Exports == Implementation where + Qsetelt ==> SETELT$Lisp + Qnew ==> GETREFV$Lisp - Exports =3D=3D OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with + Exports == OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with > If someone can try to compile, in a fresh new axiom session, the > attached file. I get a segmentation fault. ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 +> > )abbrev domain MYIARR MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray > MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray(S:Type, mn:Integer):_ -> Exports =3D=3D Implementation where -> Qsetelt =3D=3D> SETELT$Lisp -> Qnew =3D=3D> GETREFV$Lisp ->=20 -> Exports =3D=3D OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with ->=20 +> Exports == Implementation where +> Qsetelt ==> SETELT$Lisp +> Qnew ==> GETREFV$Lisp +> +> Exports == OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with +> > myProperty ->=20 -> Implementation =3D=3D add ->=20 -> minIndex x =3D=3D mn ->=20 +> +> Implementation == add +> +> minIndex x == mn +> > _______________________________________________ > Axiom-developer mailing list > list @@ -41523,41 +29356,22 @@ MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray(S:Type, mn:Integer):_ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEUIw-0006nd-Mw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:08:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEUIv-0006ln-Rx - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:08:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEUIt-0006hc-Um - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:08:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEUIt-0006hP-Lv - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:08:11 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEUPs-0004P3-4F - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:15:24 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-81-248.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-81-248.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.190.248]) - by mwinf1921.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 343041C00086; - Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:07:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: reproducibility of a segmentation fault when the compiler encounters a macro (with $lisp) badly indented From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Martin Rubey <9q7j14oe44.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:08:56 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Le samedi 19 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 18:59 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > > Hello, -> >=20 +> > > > Is this bug reproducible ? ->=20 -> Yes it is.=20 +> +> Yes it is. Thank you very much. @@ -41566,41 +29380,19 @@ Thank you very much. Exactly, I think I will report this bug (segmentation fault). -Greg=20 +Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEULD-0001En-2B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:10:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEULC-0001Dd-2n - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:10:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEUL9-0001Ar-Qp - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:10:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEUL9-0001Af-Kp - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:10:31 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GEUS8-0004eI-0z - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7JHASGP018310 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); 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- Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:01:57 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Units and dimensions @@ -41806,27 +29535,8 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEV9c-0007xz-2O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:02:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEV9a-0007xl-IH - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:02:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEV9Z-0007xZ-6c - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:02:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEV9Y-0007xW-Vr - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:02:37 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.81] (helo=mail261.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GEVGX-0000yz-Op - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:09:49 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail261.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7JI2Anr021571; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:02:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke, "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem Subject: RE: reproducibility of a segmentation fault when the compiler encounters a macro (with $lisp) badly indented @@ -41835,40 +29545,40 @@ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:01:50 -0400 Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > > If someone can try to compile, in a fresh new axiom session, > > the attached file. I get a segmentation fault. -> >=20 +> > > > )abbrev domain MYIARR MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray > > MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray(S:Type, mn:Integer):_ -> > Exports =3D=3D Implementation where -> > Qsetelt =3D=3D> SETELT$Lisp -> > Qnew =3D=3D> GETREFV$Lisp -> >=20 -> > Exports =3D=3D OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with -> >=20 -> ...=20 +> > Exports == Implementation where +> > Qsetelt ==> SETELT$Lisp +> > Qnew ==> GETREFV$Lisp +> > +> > Exports == OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with +> > +> ... On August 19, 2006 1:00 PM Martin Rubey -> Yes it is. However, I think that the macro definitions should=20 +> Yes it is. However, I think that the macro definitions should > all be indented by the same amount. I.e., try ->=20 +> > )abbrev domain MYIARR MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray > MyIndexedOneDimensionalArray(S:Type, mn:Integer):_ -> Exports =3D=3D Implementation where -> Qsetelt =3D=3D> SETELT$Lisp -> Qnew =3D=3D> GETREFV$Lisp ->=20 -> Exports =3D=3D OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with +> Exports == Implementation where +> Qsetelt ==> SETELT$Lisp +> Qnew ==> GETREFV$Lisp +> +> Exports == OneDimensionalArrayAggregate S with > ... On August 19, 2006 1:15 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 -> ...=20 +> +> ... > Anyway that is a very good example why pile syntax is > terrible. ->=20 +> Ralf, I am sorry but your comment makes be rather angry. :( I cannot understand why an otherwise very intelligent @@ -41893,40 +29603,14 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxPileNotation \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEVTt-0004ep-Ad - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:23:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEVTr-0004eJ-5o - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEVTp-0004dp-Cp - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:23:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEVTp-0004dl-55 - for list; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:23:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEVao-00037h-B0 - for list; 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Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:39:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEf60-0007RC-M2 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:39:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEf5y-0007Om-4E - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:39:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEf5x-0007Od-UO - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:39:33 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GEfD3-0001OU-28 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:46:53 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7K4cmS4003219; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:39:09 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: #pile vs. non-#pile Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:38:45 -0400 @@ -42335,13 +29848,13 @@ On August 19, 2006 6:42 PM Tim Daly wrote: > > Bill Page wrote: > > > Ralf, I am sorry but your comment makes me rather angry. :( > > Ralf replied: -> > I hope you have some mercy with me. But I cannot believe=20 +> > I hope you have some mercy with me. But I cannot believe > > that you find that code easily readable. ->=20 +> > Sorry for re-opening this debate again but.... > > What possible advantage can piles claim? ->=20 +> Hmmm... 20,000 Python programmers? ;) @@ -42410,39 +29923,13 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEfO2-0005Tf-RU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:58:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEfO0-0005TA-Su - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:58:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEfNz-0005Sp-Gd - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:58:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEfNz-0005Sm-Ca - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:58:11 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEfV4-0002X5-Hi - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:05:30 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D6140E31; - Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:58:07 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7K4vJZG016897; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:57:21 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7K4vJQG016896; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:57:19 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: #pile vs. non-#pile From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 Aug 2006 06:57:19 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On August 19, 2006 6:42 PM Tim Daly wrote: | > @@ -42489,25 +29976,6 @@ reformating a correct, working, program. It is a misfeature. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEgG4-0001J7-Va - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:54:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEgG3-0001Gi-CX - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:54:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEgG1-0001ED-EP - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:54:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEgG1-0001E5-BK - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:54:01 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.192.85] (helo=rwcrmhc15.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEgN7-00073T-4x - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:01:21 -0400 -Received: from [67.170.141.18] - (c-67-170-141-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.170.141.18]) - by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with ESMTP - id <20060820055359m1500joddbe>; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 05:53:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:53:58 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Cliff Yapp @@ -42533,25 +30001,6 @@ and just about everyone else is in some part of the weekend. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEgHj-00020j-Q9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:55:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEgHi-0001zd-10 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:55:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEgHg-0001yP-8J - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:55:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEgHg-0001yM-3B - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:55:44 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.200.82] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEgOl-00076N-Uq - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:03:04 -0400 -Received: from [67.170.141.18] - (c-67-170-141-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.170.141.18]) - by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP - id <20060820055542012002j1oce>; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 05:55:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:55:41 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly @@ -42572,28 +30021,9 @@ better interface. XChat is a good bit lighter in weight, if that matters. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEhf5-0004sg-2l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:23:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEhf2-0004s9-Um - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:23:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEhey-0004rs-QU - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:23:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEhey-0004rp-M0 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:23:52 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEhm5-0005PU-A7 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 03:31:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Aug 2006 07:23:50 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-73-191.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.73.191] - by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 09:23:50 +0200 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:23:48 +0200 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner <44E6170B.1020108@hemmecke.de> <44E63B73.1050403@hemmecke.de> @@ -42628,33 +30058,7 @@ Christian \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEmvJ-0003yW-K9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:01:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEmvI-0003x6-AN - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:01:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEmvE-0003uc-N3 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:01:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEmvD-0003u8-RC - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:00:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEn2N-0002AI-KH - for list; 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Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:02:08 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GEtNR-0001dc-Gn; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:54:33 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GEtNR-0005hD-Ef; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:54:33 +0200 To: Tim Daly <44E6170B.1020108@hemmecke.de> @@ -42884,7 +30222,7 @@ Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] implementing aldor / new species approach -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Ring is implemented as a lisp object. You can put these into a list. @@ -42903,39 +30241,13 @@ PS: PLEASE (!!!!) copy to aldor-combinat only stuff specific to the combinat pro \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEtyQ-0006bu-0b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:32:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEtyO-0006aN-TS - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:32:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEtyN-0006YX-De - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:32:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEtyN-0006YC-3w - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:32:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEu5b-0008Tg-Cu - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:40:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DB5410C3; 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Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:08:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEvTO-0004Ob-Pq - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:08:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEvTM-0004Ji-6g - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:08:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEvTM-0004Jd-2S - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:08:48 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GEvaa-00025e-S8 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:16:17 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7KLwQon029038; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:58:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: #pile vs. non-#pile Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:58:19 -0400 @@ -43143,7 +30388,7 @@ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:58:19 -0400 Cc: list On August 20, 2006 4:32 PM Gaby wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > When discussing _language syntax_, what else can you expect > except personal experience? @@ -43197,11 +30442,11 @@ I did not call syntax anecdotal. To say it another way: I think your personal experience with using indentation in Haskell is not a reliable guide on which to base judgements about syntax. -> ...=20 +> ... > | I would be very interested if you could point to any instance in > | the SPAD coding in the Axiom library of a logic error due to > | incorrect indentation. ->=20 +> > That is a meaningless request. Why is it meaningless? I thought you were arguing that #pile notation @@ -43209,14 +30454,14 @@ might lead to a larger number of logic errors than in those programs that use the {]; decorations. > Ask Tim what he thinks about the pile syntax; he knows the Axiom -> library and worked on it.=20 +> library and worked on it. > Tim is not the only person (or even the main person) who worked on the Axiom library. -=20 + > I'm just glad Adlor provided a better alternative. ->=20 +> As far as I know, Aldor processes both #pile and non-pile inputs in the same way. The use of #pile mode just increases the expressiveness @@ -43230,28 +30475,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEw4g-0006UE-Ct - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEw4e-0006Qv-5z - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEw4c-0006Ox-CS - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEw4c-0006Oa-56 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:47:18 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.67] (helo=web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEwBr-0005JD-Po - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:54:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 89563 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2006 22:47:17 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=OYJUgA0pY3mgPKfP0YB6/MBWowV9ZbQTv9WYD/aG0GQAbJoWLIX5QDc/z7Q80o1A7kXIqZeWvR0JeWsPYVuT74tecH4g+/pnULOc3TJLGPaIdHF4U86rk735fJjn8tMMt9yXZYXQecOMrakodRK2OWBEpBMYgL9HOVDQ6yXSKYE= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:47:17 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: #pile vs. non-#pile @@ -43278,34 +30501,6 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEwBj-00038U-F6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:54:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEwBi-00038C-4w - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:54:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GEwBg-00037r-Ee - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:54:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEwBg-00037o-BM - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:54:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GEwIw-0007fw-00 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:02:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEwBe-0003F6-K3 - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:54:34 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GEwBa-00012a-K0; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:54:30 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GEwBa-0006V0-Ig; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:54:30 +0200 To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: #pile vs. non-#pile From: Martin Rubey @@ -43371,27 +30566,8 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF0N2-0007Vg-9a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:22:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF0N0-0007Ut-Ci - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:22:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF0Mz-0007UP-RP - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:22:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF0Mz-0007U6-LR - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:22:33 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GF0UH-00004v-VO - for list; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:30:06 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7L3MCuc004130; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:22:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:22:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-developer' @@ -43453,38 +30629,10 @@ out to be some technical limitations. It is quite possible with some additional effort these problems could be solved. If you are interested about this possibility, please ask. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF2LO-0005Ra-Ru - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:29:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF2LN-0005RP-Eq - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:29:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF2LL-0005RC-Us - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:29:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF2LL-0005R9-Qj - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:28:59 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GF2Sf-0004wN-Cu - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:36:33 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7L5S7Ik018551; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:28:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:27:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: RE: Axiom Session On August 18, 2006 11:58 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -43500,7 +30648,7 @@ On August 18, 2006 11:58 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > In perl, I am doing something like this: > > open (FILE, "| /usr/bin/AXIOMsys >/tmp/axiom"); -> print FILE ")set output tex on\n";=20 +> print FILE ")set output tex on\n"; > print FILE ")set output algebra off\n"; > print FILE ")set message autoload off\n"; > print FILE ")set message type off\n"; @@ -43540,7 +30688,7 @@ http://pexpect.sourceforge.net (in python). There is something similar for perl http://sourceforge.net/projects/expectperl -http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D9977&group_id=3D689= +http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9977&group_id=689= 4#descr iption @@ -43559,42 +30707,11 @@ starts 'AXIOMsys' and a separate Axiom graphics process. The pty interface solves this sort of problem because it interacts with the processes at the level of the virtual serial pty device. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4KV-0007br-9i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:36:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4KT-0007aL-F6 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:36:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4KR-0007Y3-Ne - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:36:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4KR-0007Xt-JR; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:36:11 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GF4Rm-0003I2-3y; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:43:46 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7L7a2GP017909 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Category parameters and "this" - domain +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Category parameters and "this" domain Why is this a mail to axiom-mail instead of axiom-developer? @@ -43616,44 +30733,11 @@ On 08/21/2006 01:22 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Nobody can say whether bug or feature, because there is no strict definition of the SPAD language. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4fz-0006AN-2I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:58:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4fx-00069x-Bo - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:58:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4fv-00069j-RP - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:58:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4fv-00069f-OC; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:58:23 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GF4nG-0006PT-Iw; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:05:58 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2531941480; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:58:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7L7vR8R004683; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:57:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7L7vRLx004682; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:57:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <44E9635E.2000002@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Aug 2006 09:57:26 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Category parameters and "this" - domain +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Category parameters and "this" domain Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -43679,43 +30763,13 @@ still, we have an Axiom library written in something... I'll appreciate an explanation of whether it is supposed to have any at all. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4iX-00076V-Lq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:01:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4iW-000759-6I - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:01:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF4iT-00071C-Im - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:01:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF4iT-000717-DN - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:01:01 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GF4po-0006iL-68 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:08:36 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GF4iR-0007yA-6Q; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:00:59 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GF4iR-0007KB-3y; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:00:59 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Another question -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Aug 2006 10:00:56 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Another question -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > As you know, pamphlet files on MathAction are treated a little differently > with only a "thumbnail" displayed on the web page containing links to the pdf @@ -43730,44 +30784,11 @@ I think it's high time to switch to ALLPROSE. As far as I know, the only bit missing is to make it talk to axiom instead of aldor, but that shouldn't be too difficult, Ralf? -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF5FZ-00057M-Bn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:35:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF5FX-00054m-2k - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:35:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF5FV-00052h-Li - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:35:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF5FV-00052O-EC - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:35:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GF5Mq-0003yR-OS - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:42:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185A840F6C - for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:35:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7L8YExA005155 - for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:34:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7L8YEY3005154; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:34:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Aug 2006 10:34:14 +0200 -Subject: [mainline] PATCH to op.spad.pamphlet: fix typo in - comment +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [mainline] PATCH to op.spad.pamphlet: fix typo in comment *** src/algebra/ChangeLog (revision 15555) @@ -43803,47 +30824,17 @@ Subject: [mainline] PATCH to op.spad.pamphlet: fix typo in oper: (Symbol, SingleInteger, P) -> $ - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF5Ms-0004mq-TG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:42:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF5Mr-0004l5-2v - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:42:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GF5Mp-0004jY-5S - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:42:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF5Mn-0004jH-Cw - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:42:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GF5U8-0005TJ-Pl - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:50:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00E7411D4; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:42:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7L8fkpj005358; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:41:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7L8fk20005357; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:41:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: repetition of \subsection{Layer21} in - src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet - <200608171945.k7HJjPV15031@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Aug 2006 10:41:46 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: repetition of \subsection{Layer21} in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > There are two subsections "Layer 21" in the file | > src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet. The line 1054 can be removed. -|=20 +| | fixed. available in the next release --t *** ChangeLog (revision 15577) @@ -43852,11 +30843,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: *** 1,3 **** --- 1,7 ---- + 2006-08-21 Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem -+=20 ++ + * Makefile.pamphlet (\subsection{Layer21}): Remove duplicate. -+=20 ++ 2006-08-21 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -=20=20 + * op.spad.pamphlet: Fix typo in comment. *** Makefile.pamphlet (revision 15577) --- Makefile.pamphlet (local) @@ -43866,39 +30857,17 @@ root Tim Daly writes: zerodim.spad.pamphlet (RGCHAIN ZDSOLVE) \end{verbatim} - \subsection{Layer21} - <>=3D -=20=20 - LAYER22=3D\ ---- 1051,1056 ---- + <>= + LAYER22=\ +--- 1051,1056 ---- \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFB11-0007jM-B2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:44:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFB10-0007iG-C1 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:44:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFB0y-0007fc-GM - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:44:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFB0y-0007fR-Dh - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:44:32 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFB8N-0007WL-7u - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:52:11 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7LEhwpS019953; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:44:15 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Another question Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:43:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Another question Martin, @@ -43937,48 +30906,12 @@ saying "that it shouldn't be too difficult" can only be interpreted as a "taunt" (i.e. trying to force someone to do something) or a promise to actually do something yourself. :) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFClE-0002tl-PU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:36:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFClC-0002pd-CO - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:36:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFClB-0002nX-JV - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:36:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFClB-0002n8-4h - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:36:21 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.190] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFCsa-0002CF-SM - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:44:01 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so2267348nfc - for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=ErvGS7tWX098bM0+BO3mwDxPrmYo8b6NdnobvynaTnwSl8I5rEY2x5bKDLwHtfJht+InAb30ZP69yCRvUvO3UvvMwjZD7Tx82UiahyTL3Mz9umD37O8AUXEEM3eIh6f0r7uwehateVRn6Y25W5mj0sXvuxZJ5xhYSwUQQ8t4wuE= -Received: by 10.49.19.18 with SMTP id w18mr7935283nfi; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:12 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:36:11 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - boundary="----=_Part_11096_10108010.1156178171923" - <043301c6c4d1$0281fc80$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Another question -------=_Part_11096_10108010.1156178171923 - Bill, On 8/20/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -44045,64 +30978,13 @@ in: convenient. I would be glad to work on achieving this. - Regards, - - Jose Alfredo Perez - -------=_Part_11096_10108010.1156178171923 - -Bill,

On 8/20/06, Bill Page <Bill Page> wrote:
-
By "complete" do you mean the output of an entire Axiom session?
Using just dvipng would result in one png file for each page of
the latex document. Certainly it is possible to present the output
of LaTeX in this format but treating everything as an image has -
severe limitations in a web browser.

To render a LaTeX document, I think you would be better off using
latex to HTML tool like TeX4ht

http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn.html -

instead of just dvipng. TeX4ht will generate HTML with embedded
graphics or with MathML. Many people consider MathML the best
available format for web browsers. I agree that it probably will
be "real-soon-now". -

   I have installed tex4ht. For a single image to display, which is my
   current test case, dvipng is much faster. However, probably for a
   complete latex document to later be rendered as html probably -
   TeX4ht should be better (maybe for the pamphlets).

As I mentioned earlier, an alternative to embedded graphics and -
MathML is jsMath which uses Javascript to emulate the LaTeX math
typesetting functions directly on the web browser. Because this
is a complex process that runs in Javascript, it is quite a bit
slower than rendering HTML with embedded graphics. The AxiomUI -
project made use of jsMath.

    I see two projects listed in: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SummerOfCode
    to get Axiom to output jsMath and MathML. Are these still needed? -

As you know, pamphlet files on MathAction are treated a little
differently with only a "thumbnail" displayed on the web page -
containing links to the pdf and dvi format generated by LaTeX.
Originally we had planned to use TeX4ht to produce a web page
(or set of web pages) from the pamphlet source but there turned
out to be some technical limitations. It is quite possible with -
some additional effort these problems could be solved. If you are
interested about this possibility, please ask.

    The first time I used the pamphlet inside MathAction I was expecting to have -
    the whole pamphlet rendered as html. But displaying the "thumbnail" is okay
    because you have the options to see the dvi or pdf.
   
    What I think is missing is have things like commands and graphics be displayed -
    also when save pamphlet. One way by using the method you already have in:

    http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxSagePamphlet

    or displaying in html pages. Whatever option you consider is more convenient. I -
    would be glad to work on achieving this.

    Regards,

    Jose Alfredo Perez
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ALLPROSE does what already? The > problem referred to above is related to generating HTML from Axiom pamphlet @@ -44162,42 +31044,10 @@ problem anyway. For compiling, we would have to change the extension .as to .spad and change calls to aldor to axiom. This is beyond my knowledge of allprose though. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFF6s-0003lp-GZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:06:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFF6q-0003j1-4M - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:06:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFF6n-0003gu-2c - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:06:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFF6m-0003gP-LX - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:06:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFFEB-0002DR-9n - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:14:30 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7LJ6Zre016733 - for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:06:43 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30671 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 19:06:35 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 21 Aug 2006 19:06:35 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7LIwR121872; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:58:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:58:27 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: latest GCL problem Camm, @@ -44289,51 +31139,10 @@ static void L6() This code used to compile. Any guesses? -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFG9E-0001Wf-HS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:13:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFG9D-0001UD-4p - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:13:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFG9C-0001SM-4w - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFG9C-0001S6-2K - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFGGd-0008Fx-Sr - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:21:04 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFG93-0001t2-Sr; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:13:13 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFG93-0001Xu-Pj; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:13:13 +0200 -To: "Igor Khavkine" - <9qejvbaxod.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qzmdy76gc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qac5xnbcv.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Aug 2006 22:13:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Igor Khavkine Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Curious behavior of Taylor series Dear Igor, @@ -44350,47 +31159,14 @@ The operation is called cRationalPower(uts,r) there. If you don't, please say so. -Thanks again, - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFHnh-0000Gb-Af - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFHnf-0000Fl-3Y - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFHnd-0000F9-9c - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFHnd-0000Ez-3h - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:13 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFHv5-0003t2-TU - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:06:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 84856686BF; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5DD856869D; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: latest GCL problem Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:09 -0400 -Thread-Topic: latest GCL problem -Thread-Index: AcbFVQGF++97tzQyTNmIg07gMojVXwAF5WoA From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: RE: latest GCL problem +Cc: Camm Maguire -Tim,=20 +Tim, You seem to be missing Camm's patches. See attached email sent to you by Camm on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:19 PM. @@ -44399,39 +31175,39 @@ Regards, Bill Page. On Monday, August 21, 2006 2:58 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I've been trying to build Axiom with the latest gcl-2.6.8pre checkout. ->=20 -> It fails when trying to compile the file in=20 +> +> It fails when trying to compile the file in > src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet ->=20 +> > specifically it fails with: ->=20 +> > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> 118 making /tmp/axiom49/int/interp/sockio.lisp from=20 +========================== +========================== +============ +> ========== +> 118 making /tmp/axiom49/int/interp/sockio.lisp from > /tmp/axiom49/src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet -> 117 making /tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.o from=20 +> 117 making /tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.o from > /tmp/axiom49/int/interp/sockio.lisp ->=20 +> > > > Compiling /tmp/axiom49/int/interp/sockio.lisp. -> End of Pass 1. =20 -> End of Pass 2. =20 -> /tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.c:5139: conflicting=20 +> End of Pass 1. +> End of Pass 2. +> /tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.c:5139: conflicting > types for `sock_get_float' -> /tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.h:46: previous=20 +> /tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.h:46: previous > declaration of `sock_get_float' ->=20 -> Error: (SYSTEM "gcc -c -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall=20 -> -DVOL=3Dvolatile -fsigned-char -pipe =20 -> -I/tmp/axiom49/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre2/unixport/../h -O3=20 -> -fomit-frame-pointer -c=20 -> \"/tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.c\" -o=20 -> \"/tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.o\" -w") returned a=20 +> +> Error: (SYSTEM "gcc -c -I/usr/X11R6/include -Wall +> -DVOL=volatile -fsigned-char -pipe +> -I/tmp/axiom49/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre2/unixport/../h -O3 +> -fomit-frame-pointer -c +> \"/tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.c\" -o +> \"/tmp/axiom49/obj/linux/interp/sockio.o\" -w") returned a > non-zero value 0. > Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging > Error signalled by UNLESS. @@ -44444,19 +31220,19 @@ On Monday, August 21, 2006 2:58 PM you wrote: > make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/axiom49' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 ->=20 +========================== +========================== +============ +> ========== +> +> > which is generated from the lines: ->=20 +> > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +============ +> ========== > #+KCL > (progn > (clines "extern double plus_infinity(), minus_infinity(), NANQ();") @@ -44464,9 +31240,9 @@ On Monday, August 21, 2006 2:58 PM you wrote: > (defentry open_server (string) (int "open_server")) > (defentry sock_get_int (int) (int "sock_get_int")) > (defentry sock_send_int (int int) (int "sock_send_int")) -> (defentry sock_get_string_buf (int string int) (int=20 +> (defentry sock_get_string_buf (int string int) (int > "sock_get_string_buf")) -> (defentry sock_send_string_len (int string int) (int=20 +> (defentry sock_send_string_len (int string int) (int > "sock_send_string_len")) > (defentry sock_get_float (int) (float "sock_get_float")) > (defentry sock_send_float (int float) (int "sock_send_float")) @@ -44479,18 +31255,18 @@ On Monday, August 21, 2006 2:58 PM you wrote: > (defentry minus_infinity () (double "minus_infinity")) > (defentry NANQ () (double "NANQ")) > ) ->=20 +> > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +============ +> ========== + -=20 -----Original Message----- -From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire]=20 +From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:19 PM To: Tim Daly Cc: Bill Page; list; @@ -44502,7 +31278,7 @@ Greetings! --- axiom-20050901.orig/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet +++ axiom-20050901/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet @@ -103,10 +103,10 @@ -=20 + #+(AND KCL (NOT ELF)) (Clines -"unsigned int MYCOMBINE(i,j)" @@ -44520,7 +31296,7 @@ Greetings! +++ axiom-20050901/src/interp/hash.lisp.pamphlet @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@ (define-function 'HASHTABLE-CLASS #'system::hash-table-test) -=20 + #+AKCL -(clines "static int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return ((short *)x)[i];}") @@ -44528,7 +31304,7 @@ Greetings! *)x)[i];}") #+AKCL (defentry memory-value-short(object int) (int "mem_value")) -=20 + --- axiom-20050901.orig/src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet +++ axiom-20050901/src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet @@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ @@ -44548,62 +31324,22 @@ Please let me know if there is any problem with these. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, ->=20 +> > > I had to make the following modifications to 20050901 to work with the > > latest 2.6.8pre: ->=20 +> > Axiom has had several releases since 20050901. > What do we need to do to bring it up to date? ->=20 -> t ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 -Camm Maguire -Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -Baha'u'llah=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFHyV-0003bN-BU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:10:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFHyR-0003Xt-KE - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:10:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFHyN-0003V9-UQ - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:10:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFHyN-0003Uy-F0 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:10:19 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFI5q-0005Ah-JG - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:18:02 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7LMACGP018321 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:10:16 +0200 + +\start Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:14:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Another question -Cc: 'axiom-developer' On 08/21/2006 04:43 PM, Bill Page wrote: > Martin, @@ -44660,68 +31396,37 @@ if strange commands appear in the LaTeX text. Or maybe that is not the goal, then please clarify what should be achieve and what is the input. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFI4K-0005nH-PX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFI4J-0005n6-SN - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFI4I-0005kY-9R - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFI4H-0005k7-Q9 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFIBl-0005vu-2g - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:24:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EEDB06874A; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EEC9E68742; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:16:23 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: AcbDvJrin2Wi2qAUSuOSNRDfh9ndeQBsY6Vg From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Camm Maguire, - list Subject: RE: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Robert Boyer, Camm Maguire Gaby, On Saturday, August 19, 2006 2:23 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > | On August 19, 2006 9:51 AM Gaby wrote: -> | > ...=20 +> | > ... > | > OK; so let's me summarize a candidate patch for axiom.silver or > | > axiom.build-improvements: -> | >=20 +> | > > | > * apparently, GCL 2.6.8pre from CVS has more improvements; > | > * if we grab that, we must patch Axiom with patches suggested > | > by Camm. Camm, could you give me a list of those? > | > * We must, for the moment, configure GCL with --disable-xgcl. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Is that correct? -> | >=20 -> |=20 +> | > +> | > | Yes, that is correct. Do you have all the pieces? ->=20 +> > if you could give me a collection of pointers to them that would be -> appreciated.=20 ->=20 +> appreciated. +> Here is a @@ -44736,7 +31441,7 @@ Will this work for you? You will also need to pull a new version of gcl-2.6.8pre from the cvs, thus: -> export CVSROOT=3D:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl +> export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl > cvs -z9 -q co -d gcl-2.6.8pre -r Version_2_6_8pre gcl > tar czvf gcl-2.6.8pre.tgz gcl-2.6.8pre > cd /home/page/axiom.build-improvements/zips @@ -44745,45 +31450,12 @@ cvs, thus: Let me know if this is enough. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFICn-0003dY-SB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:25:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFICl-0003YM-O9 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:25:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFICj-0003Ss-Fa - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:25:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFICj-0003Ry-3C - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:25:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFIKC-0006bz-Fp - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:32:52 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126E14F3EE; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:24:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7LMOCEi019508; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:24:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7LMOCrC019507; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:24:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 22 Aug 2006 00:24:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: latest GCL problem -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 Aug 2006 00:24:11 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire Bill Page writes: @@ -44795,84 +31467,22 @@ Bill Page writes: Bill, could you collect all the relevant links in a single message? That would be very helpful --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFIJx-00031c-Kl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:32:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFIJw-0002zJ-56 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:32:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFIJu-0002ym-Ia - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:32:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFIJu-0002yi-E8 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:32:34 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFIRN-0007AC-Ra - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:40:18 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7LMWMCn021901 - for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:32:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3009 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 22:32:23 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 21 Aug 2006 22:32:23 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7LMOFG21979; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:24:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:24:15 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: latest GCL problem -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire ah. i had 2 out of 3. meatloaf claims this isn't bad but he's clearly not a programmer :-) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFIqS-0006WQ-Np - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:06:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFIqQ-0006U5-Hh - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:06:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFIqP-0006TS-RP - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:06:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFIqP-0006TD-Lt - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:06:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFIxt-0001j7-7i - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:13:53 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC10341092; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:06:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7LN5CC8020382; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:05:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7LN5CAp020381; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:05:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 22 Aug 2006 01:05:12 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Camm Maguire, Robert Boyer Bill Page writes: @@ -44900,82 +31510,50 @@ Many thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. | | Let me know if this is enough. - --- gaby - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFJ1p-0006Fj-5e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFJ1m-0006FJ-LA - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFJ1l-0006Es-IX - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFJ1l-0006Eh-C4 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFJ9F-0002SZ-2g - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:25:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 436146644D; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 58377660AE; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Another question +\start Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:17:44 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Another question -Thread-Index: AcbFbqgJXwkUfxzyS3uTqT1U36gh2wAAUpYQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer , - Eitan Gurari +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Another question +Cc: Eitan Gurari Ralf, On Monday, August 21, 2006 6:15 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > On 08/21/2006 04:43 PM, Bill Page wrote: > > Martin, -> >=20 +> > > > On August 21, 2006 4:01 AM you wrote: > >> Bill Page writes: -> >>> As you know, pamphlet files on MathAction are treated a=20 +> >>> As you know, pamphlet files on MathAction are treated a > >>> little differently with only a "thumbnail" displayed on > >>> the web page containing links to the pdf and dvi format > >>> generated by LaTeX. Originally we had planned to use > >>> TeX4ht to produce a web page (or set of web pages) from > >>> the pamphlet source but there turned out to be some > >>> technical limitations. It is quite possible with some -> >>> additional effort these problems could be solved. If=20 +> >>> additional effort these problems could be solved. If > >>> you are interested about this possibility, please ask. > >> > >> Martin Rubey wrote: -> >> Please note that Ralf's ALLPROSE does this already, also=20 +> >> Please note that Ralf's ALLPROSE does this already, also > >> using tex4ht. -> >=20 +> > > > Bill Page wrote: > > I am sorry Martin, but I don't understand. ALLPROSE does what > > already? The problem referred to above is related to generating > > HTML from Axiom pamphlet source that can be used on the Axiom > > Wiki. Does Ralf have a version of ALLPROSE that can do that? > > If so, could you add some example pages to wiki? ->=20 +> > Currently, I don't think that you need ALLPROSE to get the > pamphlet files shown as html. Tex4ht should be quite enough. Understood. > The problem I see is that every pamphlet file is a separate thing. -> No links between different files. But let's not bother with that=20 +> No links between different files. But let's not bother with that > now. As I understood, someone wants an html button for the pamphlet > files that triggers a routine to produce HTML from the .pamphlet. @@ -44990,11 +31568,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/book--main--1/Bookvol1 I'll agree to an 'html' button on the header line. :) ->=20 +> > First of all, we still haven't agreed on a general structure of > pamphlet files. All I have seen is that most (if not all) contain > the lines ->=20 +> > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage{axiom} > \begin{document} @@ -45003,7 +31581,7 @@ I'll agree to an 'html' button on the header line. :) > Yes. -=20 + > If for the purpose of translating that file to html you provide > an appropriate axiom.sty (and axiom.4ht) which can be different > from the current existing axiom.sty, then I believe that should @@ -45017,7 +31595,7 @@ to 'axiom.sty' can be made compatible with all these formats? What is axiom.4ht? Can it be present in the source .tex even if I just run latex to get the standard dvi, ps, and pdf? ->=20 +> > Let's press the html button. > @@ -45027,7 +31605,7 @@ I the case of the Axiom Wiki this action actually takes place during the 'Save' button processing. The 'html' link on the header line would be just that - a link to the html file previously generated by htlatex. -=20 + > Then noweave is called to produce .tex. > Then htlatex is called to produce .html. > (you might want to call makeindex/bibtex... in the middle) @@ -45037,7 +31615,7 @@ where do the image files go? Subdirectory? Since there will be multiple pamphlet files on the wiki, we must take care where to put the bits and pieces. ->=20 +> > I don't see the problem except that tex4ht sometimes needs > a little help if strange commands appear in the LaTeX text. @@ -45055,10 +31633,10 @@ upgrade the standard of LaTeX used in the Axiom pamphlet files. Eitan Gurari was also working on a jsMath version of tex4ht. I am not sure of the status of that version. ->=20 -> Or maybe that is not the goal, then please clarify what should be=20 +> +> Or maybe that is not the goal, then please clarify what should be > achieve and what is the input. ->=20 +> Yes, I think that is the goal. @@ -45071,76 +31649,43 @@ use can check it for errors. Perhaps we also need a separate link for the log produced by 'htlatex' since these apparently will some times be different. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFJqk-00085T-4j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFJqi-00083H-Ba - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFJqd-00081K-Nc - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFJqd-00081H-Fr - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:27 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFJy7-0006rF-SI - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:18:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CF04F68739; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1075D685D7; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:10:25 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming -Thread-Index: AcbFRFqDkIi0siN2QG+UNvJiwhc4EgAOOaLg From: Bill Page -To: Martin Rubey, - "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming On Monday, August 21, 2006 1:08 PM Martin Rubey wrote: ->=20 +> > > I wrote: -> > > In fact, I think it's high time to switch to ALLPROSE. As=20 +> > > In fact, I think it's high time to switch to ALLPROSE. As > > > far as I know, the only bit missing is to make it talk to > > > axiom instead of aldor, but that shouldn't be too difficult, > > > Ralf? > Bill Page wrote: -> > :) I have read the ALLPROSE documentation but it is not at=20 +> > :) I have read the ALLPROSE documentation but it is not at > > all clear to me how this could be done. Perhaps you can > > elaborate on this idea? -> ...=20 -> Result: Generating documentation doesn't seem to be very=20 +> ... +> Result: Generating documentation doesn't seem to be very > difficult at all. The main obstacle is, that ALLPROSE expects > a semicolon to end a definition. Thus, I cheated and wrote: ->=20 -> <>=3D +> +> <>= > double: R -> R --; > @ ->=20 -> It seems that ALLPROSE also expects that the signature=20 +> +> It seems that ALLPROSE also expects that the signature > appears on one line, Ralf? At least ->=20 -> <>=3D +> +> <>= > double: R -> _ > R --; > @ ->=20 +> > did not work. ->=20 -> The main principle obstacle however is pile syntax (sorry=20 +> +> The main principle obstacle however is pile syntax (sorry > Bill). It does not mix well with neither .pamphlet_s nor > .nw_s: @@ -45148,16 +31693,16 @@ On Monday, August 21, 2006 1:08 PM Martin Rubey wrote: What is ".pamphlet_s nor .nw_s"? ->=20 +> > Continuing with ->=20 -> <>=3D +> +> <>= > triple: R -> R --; > @ ->=20 -> Will produce an error, of course. But I guess, we have to=20 +> +> Will produce an error, of course. But I guess, we have to > live with that problem anyway. ->=20 +> To deal with pile syntax maybe we could make use of the SPAD to Aldor translation option built into Axiom that @@ -45165,7 +31710,7 @@ you mentioned in another thread? Even if it is not perfect, perhaps it is good enough to enable ALLPROSE to more easily extract the necessary information? -> For compiling, we would have to change the extension .as to=20 +> For compiling, we would have to change the extension .as to > .spad and change calls to aldor to axiom. This is beyond my > knowledge of allprose though. @@ -45182,52 +31727,20 @@ a partial replacement for the hyperdoc browser? I think we need to talk more about how this would work both in a stand alone desktop environment and on the Axiom Wiki. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFLPH-0004mQ-DQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFLPG-0004kz-95 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFLPD-0004iH-Kt - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFLPD-0004i5-BO - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFLWi-0005mN-FP - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:58:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 67A1D688BD; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:14 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C2DA26795C; - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:50:07 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB -Thread-Index: AcbC+bU3rMtq9TpLTGGPBKekDTxdGACbtZQQ From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB On Friday, August 18, 2006 3:08 PM Camm Maguire wrote: ->=20 +> > This one I believe is machine specific -- can I log in and > reproduce? (is this axiom-developer.org?) Yes. Please do. ->=20 +> > In general, the easiest way for me to fix these things is to > work with a build atop GCL configured with --enable-debug. > If anyone has the time to produce such a build somewhere and @@ -45243,41 +31756,41 @@ I have built a version of Axiom using the most recent gcl-2.6.8pre from your CVS and Axiom source from the build-improvements branch of Axiom Silver with the following gcl configure options: -GCLOPTS=3D"--enable-debug --disable-xgcl --enable-vssize=3D65536*2 - --enable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024" +GCLOPTS="--enable-debug --disable-xgcl --enable-vssize=65536*2 + --enable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=196*1024" Note: This is the same version (except for --enable-debug) that I used to test your recent patches for the new gcl-2.6.8pre. You should be able access it on axiom-developer.org by setting: - $ export AXIOM=3D/home/page/axiom.build-improvements/mnt/linux - $ export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH + $ export AXIOM=/home/page/axiom.build-improvements/mnt/linux + $ export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH -> >=20 +> > > > The problem is not the 'xxx.erlib' directory as such but rather the > > failure to overwrite the existing 'xxx.NRLIB' directory. Something > > has changed in recent versions of Axiom, gcl or linux which prevents > > the lisp function delete-file from deleting the directory. -> >=20 +> > > > See details: -> >=20 +> > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxArrays -> >=20 +> > > > This is a known and annoying bug described here: -> >=20 +> > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/302CannotRenameTheFileErlibToNRLIB -> >=20 +> > > > Tim believes the problem is in GCL but Camm says that aspect of GCL > > has not changed. We need to find a solution. -> >=20 +> > > > As a work-round to the problem perhaps we should modify Axiom to > > call -> >=20 +> > > > (system "rm -r xxx.NRLIB") -> >=20 +> > > > before the rename? -> >=20 +> > Here is an annotated console transcript that confirms the problem and also shows another problem :-( @@ -45365,7 +31878,7 @@ code.lsp code.o index.KAF info XPRIMARR.fn XPRIMARR.lsp (1) -> )lisp (mapcar 'delete-file (directory (truename #p"XPRIMARR.NRLIB/*")))) -Value =3D (T T T T T T) +Value = (T T T T T T) (1) -> )sys ls XPRIMARR.NRLIB @@ -45386,49 +31899,11 @@ drwxrwxrwx 2 plone plone 4096 Aug 21 20:20 XPRIMARR.NRLIB Please let me know what else I can do to help you debug this. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFLsk-0002AV-SY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFLsj-00028w-8Q - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFLsh-000267-Gp - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFLsh-00025n-AS - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:43 -0400 -Received: from [164.107.123.5] (helo=cse.ohio-state.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFM0D-00089U-1L - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:28:29 -0400 -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (root@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu - [164.107.112.43]) - by cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7M2KsHq002301 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:54 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7M2KdKI013653; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:39 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from gurari@localhost) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id - k7M2KdQ5013650; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:39 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:20:39 -0400 +From: Eitan Gurari To: Bill Page Subject: re: Another question - -Cc: axiom-developer - > > \documentclass{article} > > \usepackage{axiom} @@ -45451,103 +31926,11 @@ defined in axiom.sty. A jsmath configuration for tex4ht went public on 21 Dec 2005 (see http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/bugfixes.html). --eitan - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFMlv-0005p6-3Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:17:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFMls-0005m3-S2 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:17:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFMlr-0005kf-Vf - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFMlr-0005kR-PP - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:17:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFMtO-0002JA-06 - for list; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:25:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D5B1B689C8; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:46:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFP5K-0001jW-If - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:45:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFP5H-0001fs-O1 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:45:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFP5H-0001fZ-KK - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:45:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFPCo-0007UJ-Il - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:53:43 -0400 -Received: from hawkings (hawkings.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k7M4w3NQ019301; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:58:03 +0200 -Subject: RE: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming +Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:45:51 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Bill Page -Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:45:51 +0200 - k7M4w3NQ019301 -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: RE: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming Hi, @@ -45569,70 +31952,66 @@ exports and private functions, ... In my opinion, this is _not_ an out-of-the-box solution, yet worth considering. -Regards, - -Gernot - On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 20:10 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > On Monday, August 21, 2006 1:08 PM Martin Rubey wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > > I wrote: -> > > > In fact, I think it's high time to switch to ALLPROSE. As=20 +> > > > In fact, I think it's high time to switch to ALLPROSE. As > > > > far as I know, the only bit missing is to make it talk to > > > > axiom instead of aldor, but that shouldn't be too difficult, > > > > Ralf? > > Bill Page wrote: -> > > :) I have read the ALLPROSE documentation but it is not at=20 +> > > :) I have read the ALLPROSE documentation but it is not at > > > all clear to me how this could be done. Perhaps you can > > > elaborate on this idea? -> > ...=20 -> > Result: Generating documentation doesn't seem to be very=20 +> > ... +> > Result: Generating documentation doesn't seem to be very > > difficult at all. The main obstacle is, that ALLPROSE expects > > a semicolon to end a definition. Thus, I cheated and wrote: -> >=20 -> > <>=3D +> > +> > <>= > > double: R -> R --; > > @ -> >=20 -> > It seems that ALLPROSE also expects that the signature=20 +> > +> > It seems that ALLPROSE also expects that the signature > > appears on one line, Ralf? At least -> >=20 -> > <>=3D +> > +> > <>= > > double: R -> _ > > R --; > > @ -> >=20 +> > > > did not work. -> >=20 -> > The main principle obstacle however is pile syntax (sorry=20 +> > +> > The main principle obstacle however is pile syntax (sorry > > Bill). It does not mix well with neither .pamphlet_s nor > > .nw_s: ->=20 +> > (: No problem. :) ->=20 +> > What is ".pamphlet_s nor .nw_s"? ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > Continuing with -> >=20 -> > <>=3D +> > +> > <>= > > triple: R -> R --; > > @ -> >=20 -> > Will produce an error, of course. But I guess, we have to=20 +> > +> > Will produce an error, of course. But I guess, we have to > > live with that problem anyway. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > To deal with pile syntax maybe we could make use of the > SPAD to Aldor translation option built into Axiom that > you mentioned in another thread? Even if it is not perfect, > perhaps it is good enough to enable ALLPROSE to more easily > extract the necessary information? ->=20 -> > For compiling, we would have to change the extension .as to=20 +> +> > For compiling, we would have to change the extension .as to > > .spad and change calls to aldor to axiom. This is beyond my > > knowledge of allprose though. ->=20 +> > >From my point of view the objectives of using ALLPROSE are a > little different than the objectives satisfied by the Axiom > pamphlet files. As I understand it, one of the main points @@ -45642,68 +32021,15 @@ On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 20:10 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > file. And also to create appropriate hyperlinks to this stuff. > Is that right? In that case, in the end will it be at least > a partial replacement for the hyperdoc browser? ->=20 +> > I think we need to talk more about how this would work both > in a stand alone desktop environment and on the Axiom Wiki. ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ---=20 -DI Gernot Hueber -Johannes-Kepler Universtit=E4t -Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen -Altenbergerstr. 69 -4040 Linz -Tel +43 732 2468 7120 -Fax +43 732 2468 7126 -Email Gernot Hueber -Web www.riic.at - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFPLj-0008Pq-Ip - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFPLi-0008Pa-Tk - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFPLi-0008Ot-9Z - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFPLi-0008OZ-5M - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:54 -0400 -Received: from [164.107.123.5] (helo=cse.ohio-state.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFPTF-0000Y6-OO - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:10:41 -0400 -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (root@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu - [164.107.112.43]) - by cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7M636Cq028480 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:03:06 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7M62oAe015804; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:50 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from gurari@localhost) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id - k7M62onx015801; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:50 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari + +\start Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:02:50 -0400 +From: Eitan Gurari To: Bill Page Subject: re: Another question - -Cc: axiom-developer - > I am "scratching > my head" ... how do I update my installation? @@ -45716,45 +32042,11 @@ I added a pointer to instructions at the end of the first paragraph in Hopefully they are not buggy. --eitan - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFPk5-0007JL-Tm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:28:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFPk4-0007Iz-3c - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:28:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFPk3-0007In-DZ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:28:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFPk3-0007Ik-9T - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:28:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFPrb-0002xG-Df - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:35:51 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7M6RbIH002298 - for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:27:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20824 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 06:27:38 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 22 Aug 2006 06:27:38 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7M6JYE11123; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:19:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:19:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gernot Hueber - on Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:45:51 +0200) Subject: Re: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming - <1156225551.57220.62.camel@hawkings> -Cc: list > Nevertheless, my contribution do the documentation discussion is > non-ALLPROSE. Did you consider using an "javadoc" style for @@ -45802,54 +32094,24 @@ only mourn the wasted years of non-enlightenment :-) literate programming is not the same as documentation. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFREZ-0003gM-AF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFREW-0003eO-TO - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFREU-0003cx-VP - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFREU-0003cU-H6 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFRM3-0006cg-5y - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:11:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2431468F74; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E5E6468F71; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:31 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: Another question Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:30 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Another question -Thread-Index: AcbFsNXmz4m6KhvoSfSG6/nNaKqhwQACwY4g From: Bill Page -To: "Eitan Gurari" Eitan Gurari -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Eitan Gurari +Subject: re: Another question +Cc: list -Eitan,=20 +Eitan, On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:03 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I added a pointer to instructions at the end of the first > paragraph in ->=20 +> > http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/bugfixes.html ->=20 +> > Hopefully they are not buggy. ->=20 +> Thank you! I feel a little more human now. :) and I've now got jsMath from the command: @@ -45891,7 +32153,7 @@ comments and questions: in addition to /usr/share/texmf/tex4ht/ht-fonts but I did only the copy - =20 + cp -rp ht-fonts /usr/share/texmf/tex4ht 3. paths @@ -45909,7 +32171,7 @@ comments and questions: 4. The html file that is generated from jsmath option contains the following location for the jsMath: - with jsMath/ repeated twice in the path. This seems (perhaps) @@ -45925,25 +32187,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFRU6-0004Ir-M8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:19:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFRU2-0004G3-6c - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:19:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFRU1-0004FA-BI - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:19:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFRU0-0004F3-PZ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:19:36 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFRbZ-0008R1-Tb - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:27:26 -0400 -Received: from hawkings (hawkings.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k7M7ViNQ020349; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:31:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming From: Gernot Hueber To: Tim Daly @@ -46012,32 +32255,7 @@ Gernot \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFRmS-0000dR-Sv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:38:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFRmQ-0000bS-Lk - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:38:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFRmO-0000ZB-Sj - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:38:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFRmO-0000Z1-Mu - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:38:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFRtx-0001fR-9z - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:46:25 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFRmI-0004Pa-MM; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:38:30 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFRmI-0004AZ-J1; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:38:30 +0200 -To: "Igor Khavkine" +To: Igor Khavkine <9qejvbaxod.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qzmdy76gc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -46051,7 +32269,7 @@ Date: 22 Aug 2006 10:38:29 +0200 Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Curious behavior of Taylor series -"Igor Khavkine" writes: +Igor Khavkine writes: > On 21 Aug 2006 22:13:13 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -46229,33 +32447,11 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFSBN-00016u-17 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:04:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFSBL-00013c-Dt - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:04:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFSBI-0000z6-Ah - for list; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:46:13 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Another question <44EAC98F.2070902@hemmecke.de> From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Aug 2006 11:46:10 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list Dear Ralf, @@ -46526,54 +32697,28 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFTMI-0006gJ-5r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFTMH-0006gD-26 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFTME-0006fX-UA - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFTME-0006fU-R8 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFTTm-0002M7-Rd - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:27:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8FA5B68D96; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8B2B868D8F; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Another question Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:19:30 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Another question -Thread-Index: AcbFyfhCrL7YEw6oR+mnjVc07k9SLAAAdWsg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer , +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: list, Eitan Gurari -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, Thanks for the explanations about .4ht etc. On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:09 AM you wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > When generating .html with embedded images for the formula > > where do the image files go? Subdirectory? Since there will > > be multiple pamphlet files on the wiki, we must take care > > where to put the bits and pieces. ->=20 -> ...=20 +> +> ... > So everything is output in the directory where you process the -> file $(projectname).tex. Then I simply copy them to the place I=20 +> file $(projectname).tex. Then I simply copy them to the place I > want them to be. I read somewhere in the tex4ht that the path prefix of the @@ -46612,11 +32757,11 @@ the option to delay display until after the jsMath processing. But it does do a pretty nice job ... To bad there doesn't seem to be any way to get more speed out of JavaScript. -> ...=20 +> ... > > So it seems that to get reliable HTML this way, we may need > > to upgrade the standard of LaTeX used in the Axiom pamphlet > > files. ->=20 +> > Well, maybe we should start with dhmatrix. I somehow agree with > you and Eitan. Writing TeX should not be considered the best way > of writing a .pamphlet file. LaTeX is so much more structured @@ -46626,8 +32771,8 @@ to be any way to get more speed out of JavaScript. Agreed. ->=20 -> Anyway, would it be a good start to take dhmatrix. We could=20 +> +> Anyway, would it be a good start to take dhmatrix. We could > tex->latex it while we try to get an html out of it. Good idea except it looks like this one works already! This document @@ -46639,7 +32784,7 @@ The tex file is available here: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/algebra/DhmatrixSpad ->=20 +> > And... perhaps we should first forget about mathml. I think the > .png generation is the easier way to go. @@ -46669,13 +32814,13 @@ ix3.spad.xml unfortunately with another xml error message: XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: . -Line Number 310, Column 17:>DD > > I am willing to give this a try. But I am probably going to need > > some help. :) ->=20 -> Well, do we have an svn branch for that? I just want to say=20 +> +> Well, do we have an svn branch for that? I just want to say > "svn update" and "htlatex dhmatix" (or better make dhmatrix.html). > Once we have some experience with compiling dhmatrix, we could cary > on for the other files. Then you could try to write a python wrapper @@ -46687,18 +32832,18 @@ You should be able to do that now. Take a look for and just noweave the dhmatrix.spad.tex file. ->=20 -> Let us also forget for a moment about the \begin{axiom} ...=20 +> +> Let us also forget for a moment about the \begin{axiom} ... > \end{axiom} environments. Just translating them as verbatim > would be fine. ->=20 +> > Later, I think, one needs a script that runs over the > .pamphlet.tex file, extracts the content of the environment, > writes it out to a file/several files axiom.somenumber.input, > and at the same time modifies the environment \begin{axiom} > ... \end{axiom} to \begin{axiomoutput}{somenumber} ... > \end{axiomoutput} and writes a file .pamphlet.ax.tex. Then -> run axiom and produce files axiom.somenumber.tex (maybe=20 +> run axiom and produce files axiom.somenumber.tex (maybe > a script is involve here to split the axiom output into its > parts -- but that you know already from mathaction, I guess). > After that call htlatex on the generated .pamphlet.ax.tex file. @@ -46715,9 +32860,9 @@ LaTeX compile. > The \begin{axiomoutput}{somenumber} ... \end{axiomoutput} > environments should simply ignore there content and set the > content of the file axiom.somenumber.tex. ->=20 +> > Doesn't sound un-doable to me. ->=20 +> Quite doable. Now, the question is: Are Axiom developers and users really motivated to use this sort of thing?? @@ -46728,34 +32873,12 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFV94-0005q2-NW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:14:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFV93-0005ok-Li - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:14:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFV91-0005ln-NH - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:14:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFV91-0005lT-Dg - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:14:11 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFVGc-0006Qk-PZ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:22:03 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MCE9GP007409 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:14:09 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:18:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming <1156225551.57220.62.camel@hawkings> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list > First of all, I want to point out that I don't want to advocate against > ALLPROSE for documentation, which is in fact an interesting development @@ -46813,34 +32936,12 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVP6-0005QM-6k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:30:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVP4-0005Ot-Li - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:30:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVP2-0005Lk-FP - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:30:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFVP2-0005LU-8a - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:30:44 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFVWd-0007vz-Me - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:38:36 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MCUfGP007767 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:30:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:35:21 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Another question <9q3bbphzml.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list >> Anyway, would it be a good start to take dhmatrix. We could tex->latex it while >> we try to get an html out of it. @@ -46895,38 +32996,13 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVdO-0007kM-M7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:45:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVdM-0007hr-Nx - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:45:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVdL-0007gO-HK - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:45:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFVdL-0007ft-3E - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:45:31 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFVkw-0001I5-2z - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:53:22 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFVdI-0005hw-9z; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:45:28 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFVdI-0004tH-6f; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:45:28 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Another question <44EAC98F.2070902@hemmecke.de> <9q3bbphzml.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <44EAFA09.6010703@hemmecke.de> From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Aug 2006 14:45:27 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -46979,33 +33055,11 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVrr-00030B-9M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVro-0002z5-KP - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFVrk-0002xc-SE - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:00:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFVrk-0002xZ-IL - for list; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:15:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFW6X-0008NG-Rs - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:15:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFW6X-0008N4-Fj - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:15:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.161.123] (helo=proxy.riic.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFWE9-00056w-7S - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:23:33 -0400 -Received: from hawkings (hawkings.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.82]) - by proxy.riic.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id - k7MCRlNQ022257; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:27:48 +0200 Subject: Re: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming From: Gernot Hueber To: Ralf Hemmecke <1156225551.57220.62.camel@hawkings> <44EAF628.9020909@hemmecke.de> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:15:37 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list Hi Ralf, @@ -47225,35 +33260,13 @@ Gernot \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFWL2-00071r-Td - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:44:21 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Another question <44EAC98F.2070902@hemmecke.de> <9q3bbphzml.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -47406,7 +33394,7 @@ Subject: re: Another question <44EB080C.6020401@hemmecke.de> From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Aug 2006 15:44:15 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list Hi Ralf, @@ -47459,28 +33447,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFWv2-0000Kv-Cb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:07:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFWv0-0000Ki-9L - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:07:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFWux-0000Jw-Ux - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:07:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFWux-0000Jt-Qt - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:07:47 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFX2a-0001kH-6t - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:15:40 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7ME7iGP010984 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:07:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:12:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey @@ -47488,7 +33454,7 @@ Subject: re: Another question <9q3bbphzml.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <44EAFA09.6010703@hemmecke.de> <9q64gl0wig.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <44EB080C.6020401@hemmecke.de> <9qveokj368.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list >> Maybe, I am wrong, but for me DHMATRIX is just a domain. A library is >> something like libaldor, libalgebra, libaxiom. @@ -47541,31 +33507,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFX7I-0000bN-Tu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:20:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFX7G-0000Yc-DY - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:20:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFX7F-0000Xh-IQ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:20:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFX7F-0000XS-BA - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:20:29 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFXEn-0002m0-Qz - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:28:22 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFX79-0003e9-8b; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eitan Gurari Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:16:39 -0400 To: Bill Page Subject: re: Another question -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list @@ -47862,40 +33753,12 @@ An exponent on a left parenthesis: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFY93-00040k-EL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:26:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFY91-00040X-Gt - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:26:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFY91-00040J-4a - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:26:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFY90-00040G-Vx - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:26:23 -0400 -Received: from [164.107.123.5] (helo=cse.ohio-state.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFYGe-0004B3-BG - for list; 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- Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:41:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:41:41 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: re: Another question @@ -48107,28 +33896,6 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYYZ-0001uQ-3x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:52:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYYX-0001sY-WA - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:52:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYYX-0001rK-G1 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:52:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYYX-0001qy-3b - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:52:45 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFYgA-00074p-EE - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:00:38 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MFqdGP013381 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:52:39 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:57:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly @@ -48202,49 +33969,23 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYo0-0004Sb-4T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYnz-0004Rx-4M - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYnw-0004Op-0x - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYnv-0004Of-Pu - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:39 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFYvZ-0000e5-Aq - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:16:33 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AD0EB686AF; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id ABD086868C; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:08:29 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming -Thread-Index: AcbF/DCioaXPjGBzRKS/JMjWcajAmAABfTqw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: list -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:08 AM you wrote: -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > To deal with pile syntax maybe we could make use of the > > SPAD to Aldor translation option built into Axiom that > > you mentioned in another thread? Even if it is not perfect, > > perhaps it is good enough to enable ALLPROSE to more easily > > extract the necessary information? ->=20 -> Don't leave me in the dark. Specify exactly what you want to=20 +> +> Don't leave me in the dark. Specify exactly what you want to > do/achieve otherwise I cannot follow. ??? @@ -48252,48 +33993,48 @@ On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:08 AM you wrote: On Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:55 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... -> Note that a (rudimentary) converter from pile to nopile is=20 +> Note that a (rudimentary) converter from pile to nopile is > included in the axiom compiler. just say ->=20 +> > (1) -> )co test.spad )tr > Compiling AXIOM source code from file test.spad using old > system compiler. > Warning: translation of an old-style source code ".spad" > file to a new-style ".as" file changes the old system -> compiler.=20 +> compiler. > If you wish to use the old system compiler for regular > compilation, you must exit and re-enter AXIOM. > Creating output file with name test.as . > #include "axiom.as" > Compiling AXIOM source code from file test.spad using old > system compiler. -> TEST abbreviates package Test=20 +> TEST abbreviates package Test > compiling exported tst : Integer -> Integer > --)abbrev package TEST Test > No documentation for tst > No documentation for tst ->=20 -> +++=20 -> Test(): with tst: Integer -> Integer; =3D=3D { +> +> +++ +> Test(): with tst: Integer -> Integer; == { > add { -> import from PositiveInteger;=20 -> import from SingleInteger;=20 -> import from String;=20 -> import from OutputForm;=20 -> import from NoValueMode;=20 -> tst(n:Integer):Integer =3D=3D { +> import from PositiveInteger; +> import from SingleInteger; +> import from String; +> import from OutputForm; +> import from NoValueMode; +> tst(n:Integer):Integer == { > for (free i) in 1..n repeat { -> i =3D 2 =3D> 0;=20 -> output(i::OutputForm)$OutputPackage;=20 +> i = 2 => 0; +> output(i::OutputForm)$OutputPackage; > } -> 0;=20 +> 0; > } -> =20 +> > } > } ->=20 +> > Note that it makes many mistakes, but that's probably fixable. ->=20 +> > ... > Bill Page wrote: > > From my point of view the objectives of using ALLPROSE are a @@ -48303,8 +34044,8 @@ On Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:55 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > > source code and typeset it along with other parts of the > > documentation that are just LaTeX segments of the pamphlet > > file. ->=20 -> Wrong. In ALLPROSE there are no places where you should write=20 +> +> Wrong. In ALLPROSE there are no places where you should write > +++ or ++ inside code chunks. If you do it, ALLPROSE doesn't > care, but such documentation is NEVER extracted by ALLPROSE. @@ -48341,13 +34082,13 @@ is a **lot** better than what we have sprinkled throughout Axiom's SPAD code. And this is a project that is only two years old... -> ...=20 +> ... > > And also to create appropriate hyperlinks to this stuff. > > Is that right? In that case, in the end will it be at least > > a partial replacement for the hyperdoc browser? ->=20 -> Right. That part of ALLPROSE aims at replacing hyperdoc. But=20 -> as I said before, I would rather like to take a set of libraries,=20 +> +> Right. That part of ALLPROSE aims at replacing hyperdoc. But +> as I said before, I would rather like to take a set of libraries, > extract all the +++ comments and then produce a hyperlinked > document (website or such) as an API description just from the > libraries. No .as source code should be needed. @@ -48362,10 +34103,10 @@ thing could be code for navigating between pages containing literate source code. But this does require a web site interface and does not translate easily to a printed format. ->=20 +> > > I think we need to talk more about how this would work both > > in a stand alone desktop environment and on the Axiom Wiki. ->=20 +> > The stand alone way, I just describe above. The Wiki way is > maybe as simple as extracting the +++ environments and the > corresponding code chunk and putting it together. @@ -48375,7 +34116,7 @@ directly consult the Axiom database (daase files) the way hyperdoc does now. > But note, in order to get links from one piece of code to -> another you have to noweave all the files together (for=20 +> another you have to noweave all the files together (for > getting links inside the codechunks) and latex them all > together for latex taking care of the hyperlinks across > different files. Maybe the latter could also done separately @@ -48390,34 +34131,12 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYqm-0008Ob-AW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYqk-0008M5-4j - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYqi-0008J4-1u - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYqh-0008Il-Q0 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:31 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFYyL-0000rt-DZ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:19:25 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MGBSGP014368 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:11:28 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:16:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Eitan Gurari Subject: re: Another question <17643.8729.854830.410118@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list On 08/22/2006 05:26 PM, Eitan Gurari wrote: > @@ -48471,31 +34190,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYvg-0004lZ-90 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:16:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYve-0004l9-N2 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:16:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFYvb-0004kI-SQ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:16:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYvb-0004kD-PN - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:16:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFZ3F-0001Lp-Bi - for list; 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Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Eitan Gurari Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:23:45 -0400 To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -48613,7 +34279,7 @@ Subject: re: Another question <44EB00FA.8000008@hemmecke.de> <17643.8729.854830.410118@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu> <44EB2DC7.3050505@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list @@ -48639,34 +34305,6 @@ commands are configured in tex4ht. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZDm-0004HU-LH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:35:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZDl-0004Gj-MO - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:35:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZDi-0004Fu-Dt - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:35:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZDi-0004Fr-AI - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:35:18 -0400 -Received: from [164.107.123.5] (helo=cse.ohio-state.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFZLM-0003mX-92 - for list; 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A configuration similar to the following one, in the case of tex4ht. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZKJ-0006iy-10 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:42:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZKH-0006hW-9s - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:42:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZKF-0006g2-GH - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:42:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZKF-0006fw-84 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:42:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFZRs-0004lD-VC - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:49:57 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MGfvGP016552 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:41:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:46:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Using ALLPROSE for SPAD programming -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list >> Bill Page wrote: >>> From my point of view the objectives of using ALLPROSE are a @@ -48847,34 +34463,12 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZax-0005yt-Qt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:59:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZaw-0005wc-5m - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:59:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZav-0005ug-3B - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:59:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZau-0005uL-I6 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:59:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFZiY-0006lB-G2 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:07:10 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MGx8GP018256 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:59:08 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:03:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Eitan Gurari Subject: re: Another question <17643.8151.780121.441570@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list > I tried to compile the file for native dvi latex output and was > successful only after introducing the following disabling instructions. @@ -48894,28 +34488,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZfq-0006G8-1v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:04:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZfo-0006Er-7J - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:04:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZfm-0006DJ-Dj - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:04:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZfm-0006DC-8A - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:04:18 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFZnQ-0007Bt-5P - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:12:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7MH4FGP018575 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:04:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:08:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey @@ -48925,7 +34497,7 @@ Subject: re: Another question <9qveokj368.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <44EB10C3.70606@hemmecke.de> <9q64gk97ix.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <44EB256E.2090907@hemmecke.de> <9qsljohhk0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list > HyperDoc processes exactly the lines preceded by +++ . So the line > @@ -48958,34 +34530,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZn6-00051Z-Bm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZn4-000504-BQ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFZn0-0004yZ-Q3 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFZn0-0004yV-Nj - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:46 -0400 -Received: from [164.107.123.5] (helo=cse.ohio-state.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFZuf-00083R-44 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:19:41 -0400 -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (root@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu - [164.107.112.43]) - by cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7MHBxwQ009648 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:59 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7MHBh6g021222; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:43 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from gurari@localhost) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id - k7MHBhgX021219; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Eitan Gurari Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:11:43 -0400 To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -48993,7 +34537,7 @@ Subject: re: Another question <17643.8151.780121.441570@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu> <44EB38D5.7010806@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-developer +Cc: list @@ -49019,69 +34563,43 @@ file. I guess it should have be requested indirectly elsewhere. -eitan \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFa5z-0004y9-5R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFa5v-0004wS-35 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFa5r-0004tc-AP - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFa5r-0004tV-5A - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFaDV-0001Hu-EJ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:39:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BBF4668A6A; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:13 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8EFF7689E5; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Another question Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:09 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Another question -Thread-Index: AcbF6vW7tm0iBjOFQ4CjC6ivlZQalQAHA1iA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly +Cc: list On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:05 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ..=20 -> I remember I have seen that thing in graphviz.sty.=20 +> .. +> I remember I have seen that thing in graphviz.sty. > Nevertheless, could you send over this SAGE file. I don't > have SAGE running here. > See attachment below. -=20 + > >> The \begin{axiomoutput}{somenumber} ... \end{axiomoutput} > >> environments should simply ignore there content and set > >> the content of the file axiom.somenumber.tex. > >> > >> Doesn't sound un-doable to me. > >> -> > Bill Page wrote:=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: > > Quite doable. Now, the question is: Are Axiom developers > > and users really motivated to use this sort of thing?? ->=20 +> > Ooops. What sort of thing? ->=20 +> I guess I had better try to answer this since on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:42 AM Tim Daly asked: ->=20 +> > > Quite doable. Now, the question is: Are Axiom developers > > and users really motivated to use this sort of thing?? ->=20 +> > probably i am; but i can't figure out what 'this sort of thing' > is. ->=20 +> > *) what are you trying to achieve? 1) Write pamphlet files containing embedded Axiom commands that @@ -49116,8 +34634,8 @@ be made more so. Probably 0/0. This is open source, remember? -> *) what tools do i need,=20 -> *) where do i get them,=20 +> *) what tools do i need, +> *) where do i get them, > *) how do i set them up? This is open source, remember? ;) Consult the axiom-developer @@ -49183,7 +34701,7 @@ $cat sage-1.3.6.2/examples/latex_embed/sagetex.sty: \newcounter{@sage} \newwrite\@sagefile -\immediate\openout\@sagefile=3D\jobname.sage +\immediate\openout\@sagefile=\jobname.sage \typeout{Writing sage input file \jobname.sage} \immediate\write\@sagefile{import sagetex} \immediate\write\@sagefile{sagetex.openout('\jobname.sout')} @@ -49200,7 +34718,7 @@ $cat sage-1.3.6.2/examples/latex_embed/sagetex.sty: % this macro typesets the corresponding output (read from the *.sout auxiliary file) \def\@sage{\@bsphack% -=20 + \@ifundefined{@sage@\the@sage}{?}{\@esphack\@nameuse{@sage@\the@sage}}% \stepcounter{@sage}% } @@ -49273,7 +34791,7 @@ from sage.misc.latex import latex def openout(f): global _file_ - _file_=3Dopen(f,'w') + _file_=open(f,'w') def inline(s): _file_.write('\sage@out{' + latex(s) + '}\n') @@ -49284,66 +34802,34 @@ def block_begin(): def block_end(): _file_.write('}\n') ------------- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFaQL-0000XS-PM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:52:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFaQK-0000Wl-5z - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:52:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFaQI-0000WY-6E - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:52:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFaQI-0000WV-1q - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:52:22 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFaXw-0001Mm-IA - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:00:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1320668A48; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:52:21 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 19F6268650; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:52:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Another question Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:49:43 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: Another question -Thread-Index: AcbGDhDUXC/l2yuQRe+ZAFgyi5/SkQABLtbQ From: Bill Page -To: "Eitan Gurari" Eitan Gurari, - "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Eitan Gurari, Ralf Hemmecke -Eitan,=20 +Eitan, On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:12 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > > > I tried to compile the file for native dvi latex output and > > > was successful only after introducing the following disabling > > > instructions. -> > >=20 -> > > \let\spadfunFrom=3D\empty=20 -> > > \def\spadgraph#1{}=20 -> > > \let\nwfilename=3D\empty=20 -> > > \long\def\nwbegincode#1\nwendcode{}=20 +> > > +> > > \let\spadfunFrom=\empty +> > > \def\spadgraph#1{} +> > > \let\nwfilename=\empty +> > > \long\def\nwbegincode#1\nwendcode{} > > > \long\def\moddef#1\endmoddef{} -> >=20 -> Ralf wrote:=20 +> > +> Ralf wrote: > > Somehow it seems that you are not using "\usepackage{noweb}". > > The last three commands should be defined in there. > > The file bookvol1.tex I downloaded doesn't explicitly request such -> a file. I guess it should have be requested indirectly=20 +> a file. I guess it should have be requested indirectly > elsewhere. -eitan ->=20 +> You can get the source of the version of 'axiom.sty' that is used on axiom-developer.org here: @@ -49356,34 +34842,7 @@ distribution - at least it was as of last fall. It's been a while since I looked at this, but yes it appears that Tim has merged the noweb.sty into this file. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFd9L-0008Hh-79 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:47:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFd9K-0008HP-8h - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:47:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFd9H-0008FG-HU - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:47:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFd9H-0008F8-A9 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:46:59 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.63] (helo=web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFdGx-0006e5-Hg - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:54:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 44910 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2006 20:46:58 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=AbPX1p8R36+bo7RvMWv/aI59d9PSvH0dGZQwNCTJCJqvwI/Pa/RU/+zmgmw1Luf+QoSpBYnKt9imEcoKa0irzu6UzsJ7txrlCKQ7vuuQglYXyQOK33El2gIJr+6wQGDRgiG9WcFuUqEsPjFtKU5KEvPGhfQ/6DWa6b03srhFyZE= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:46:58 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -49504,48 +34963,11 @@ industrial strength proof checkers." In the end, if we do what we are trying to do, the question people will be asking is why would you use anything BUT Axiom. The problem is, that's never easy. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFdkl-0000Hd-RM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:25:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFdki-0000Ao-NY - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:25:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFdkg-0008WQ-4T - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:25:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFdkf-0008WK-W6 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:25:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFdsM-0001Ub-QE - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:33:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEA540F56; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:25:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7MLOc5T008004; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:24:40 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7MLOcJN008003; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:24:38 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 22 Aug 2006 23:24:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 Aug 2006 23:24:37 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -49599,42 +35021,11 @@ or uncertain and unfocused project. [ rest of message I wholeheartly agree with ] --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFdvN-000373-PD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:36:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFdvM-00036N-Ih - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:36:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFdvI-00034j-0x - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:36:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFdvH-00034g-ST - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:36:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFe2y-0002EN-L0 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:44:32 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFdvC-0003hq-1V; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:36:30 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFdvB-0007Wq-VX; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:36:30 +0200 +Date: 22 Aug 2006 23:36:27 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Aug 2006 23:36:27 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -49643,46 +35034,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: So, may I offer you support? -Martin - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFeCN-0004Rb-Vn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:54:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFeCN-0004RW-33 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:54:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFeCM-0004RK-9a - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:54:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFeCM-0004RH-6a - for list; 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Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:05:11 +0200 +Date: 23 Aug 2006 00:05:11 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Aug 2006 00:05:11 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -49760,92 +35083,22 @@ Martin > numeric/symbolic techniques, algorithmic differentiation (I know existing > packages in Maple, and I've written some for my own uses), geometry, etc. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFeXh-00033r-Hu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:16:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFeXf-00033C-SQ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:16:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFeXd-00031z-8D - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFeXd-00031t-2G - for list; 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Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:36:39 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Aug 2006 00:36:39 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 00:36:39 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | it might be possible to develop course materials using axiom | on various topics and make them available for teaching. --t @@ -49865,47 +35118,11 @@ better might come out of the blue). I have less than a week left, so I'll try to use it as best as I can. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFf83-0002jt-DW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:53:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFf81-0002jc-HW - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:53:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFf7z-0002jQ-6F - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:53:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFf7y-0002jN-RM - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:53:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFfFf-0000YN-GP - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:01:44 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFf7v-0007IL-PH; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:53:43 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GFf7v-0005ov-OT; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:53:43 +0200 +Date: 23 Aug 2006 00:53:43 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Aug 2006 00:53:43 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -49927,46 +35144,14 @@ for sequences in sloanes encyclopedia :-) If I can help with specific things, don't hesitate. I can understand your frustration very well. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgVM-0006yt-At - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:22:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgVK-0006uS-6O - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgVI-0006rc-8E - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFgVI-0006rU-4V - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFgd0-0000oB-Hg - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:29:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AD01468AA9; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:54 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9B62968983; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:21:48 -0400 -Thread-Topic: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Thread-Index: AcbGMZUoFBnLjGlESxSRSNzmDOBBgAADs8dQ From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage On Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:25 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > For my own courses, I've been preparing materials for using > Axiom as my main vehicle for introducing students to symbolic > computation. @@ -50017,10 +35202,10 @@ Steven presented this distinction: are really two different things and that neither one sufficiently addresses the problems that arise in applications. Symbolic computation may be seen as working with expression trees -representing mathematical formulae and applying various rules=20 +representing mathematical formulae and applying various rules to transform them. Computer algebra may be seen as developing constructive algorithms to compute quantities in various -arithmetic domains, possibly involving indeterminates. =20 +arithmetic domains, possibly involving indeterminates. Symbolic computation allows a wider range of expression, but lacks efficient algorithms. It is often unclear what is the @@ -50083,25 +35268,25 @@ to introduce students to symbolic computation is also a mistake since as commercial products they both try hard to give the impression that this problem is solved. ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | > I am tempted to suggest that hooking Axiom to the Sage > ! > bandwagon as soon as possible might be the best idea. ->=20 +> > I would resist the temptation to jump on the many bandwagons > du jour without more data... > Your prudence is justified, but since you must teach students symbolic computation this fall, what should you do? -=20 + > [...] ->=20 +> > | > But that makes Axiom seem subordinate ->=20 +> > or uncertain and unfocused project. ->=20 +> I think the truth hurts. :) And that is why one is sometimes forced to teach in a somewhat less than optimal ways. @@ -50128,49 +35313,11 @@ and more formally correct approach to solve the same problem. Unfortunately for completely non-technical reasons Aldor seems to have lost at least the first round of this fight. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgnr-0000wY-2x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgnp-0000tV-6w - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgnn-0000qN-NA - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFgnn-0000qF-Jx - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:03 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.191] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFgvW-00024f-7K - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:49:02 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so212051nfc - for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=mHPQEIaLIG5WLNyq4frOrFt49yldQESAZVZ1sALQk0/1brf1dpXkRE7WQFlAAiLrfNE9D1B/78bgFbiapw6B+9oAgkE9laSOvLWfwkLqCCOCqUQN4WjKzKWl6CAL8wg7ykBxp/DdaWY/fLBgdxTXAA4n+0FUar7/QSTg/DCo6NQ= -Received: by 10.49.43.2 with SMTP id v2mr1225051nfj; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - boundary="----=_Part_18851_11352606.1156293661944" - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list - -------=_Part_18851_11352606.1156293661944 On 23 Aug 2006 00:36:39 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis < Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote: @@ -50185,55 +35332,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote: Maybe you can use the Live CD or the Virtual Machine for your students until the new build/install process is completed. -------=_Part_18851_11352606.1156293661944 - -On 23 Aug 2006 00:36:39 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis <Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote:
-I agree in principle -- and that is what I tried to do.
However:
  (1) At the moment, Axiom does not look simple to build/install
      despite efforts in that direction;


  Maybe you can use  the  Live CD or the Virtual Machine for your students until the new build/install process is completed. -


- -------=_Part_18851_11352606.1156293661944-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgog-0002TE-Gg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgoe-0002NJ-AR - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgoc-0002In-Ll - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFgoc-0002IW-IZ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:54 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.189] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFgwL-00029Q-39 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:49:53 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so212158nfc - for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=J28fKhT6zhDpdW8XNM2wxyfpXlxStNRqM3natR9/ybkz0AXi1KNdpca8MpOh2UkVJinOfT8JNYYxUh6C7uIfoVHExI6wdNR885hEeimqPgLCpilFrHdc/sJlkj3AubYHnYYRQp3cOQiWCcAltN6I6HtvCqzHG6yORjAneMLiHT8= -Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr1264210nfi; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.198.15 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:41:53 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - boundary="----=_Part_18883_4073518.1156293713351" - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> - - -Cc: list - -------=_Part_18883_4073518.1156293713351 On 8/22/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: > @@ -50255,61 +35358,11 @@ On 8/22/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: Actually, thinking about it, the class notes can be included as part of the Live CD. -------=_Part_18883_4073518.1156293713351 - -On 8/22/06, Alfredo Portes <Alfredo Portes> wrote:
-
On 23 Aug 2006 00:36:39 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis < -Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote:
- -I agree in principle -- and that is what I tried to do.
However:
  (1) At the moment, Axiom does not look simple to build/install
      despite efforts in that direction;


-  Maybe you can use  the  Live CD or the Virtual Machine for your students until the new build/install process is completed. -


- -

  Actually, thinking about it, the class notes can be included as part of the Live CD.
- -------=_Part_18883_4073518.1156293713351-- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgxH-0008HB-KT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:50:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgxG-0008Gj-At - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:50:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFgxE-0008GD-R2 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:50:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFgxE-0008GA-MG - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:50:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFh4x-00030l-Bk - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:58:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36DC40F09; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:50:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7N0nm6w011273; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:49:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7N0nmlG011272; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:49:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 23 Aug 2006 02:49:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> - - <9qy7tgv0ug.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 02:49:48 +0200 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -50335,42 +35388,11 @@ I believe that is a good thing! Thank you veyr much. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhOO-0002uY-AI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:18:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhOM-0002sV-8f - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:18:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhOK-0002rc-UE - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:18:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFhOK-0002rP-KA - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:18:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFhW3-0004go-Lg - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:26:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27B040F70; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:18:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7N1HmmT011528; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:17:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7N1HmLC011527; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:17:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Aug 2006 03:17:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 03:17:48 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -50396,39 +35418,11 @@ I suspect the authors of the book forgot to tell him that the designers of AXIOM, by design, really did make it "not very good at symbolic computation". - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhSh-0004sf-Fy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:23:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhSg-0004sS-2X - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:23:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhSe-0004qS-Ih - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:23:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFhSe-0004qI-Fn - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:23:16 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.63] (helo=web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFhaN-00050k-KN - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:31:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail 67230 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2006 01:23:12 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=5yXiptGlYJ0zBXvZX95DN3ooOwFQQEumE1zdFly56fGRRqyRRC4FuwLAbsH5poaCijtyZ3xq/XehVj332QtYbapGK8jeXxcL5E4r++39iq0yTZ9Ko7xsPQuXtNidHvYiNrb+ycUVQ1rQP6ni7vG/vSVRMO6ODpTRpeBwADrLpUY= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:23:12 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -50478,48 +35472,11 @@ approach they will know both about Axiom and why it might be better. Of course, that was easy to say and hard to do. Just a thought, for whatever it may be worth. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhlp-0004lf-80 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:43:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhln-0004in-IR - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:43:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFhlj-0004dw-Ua - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:43:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFhlj-0004dO-RX - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:42:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFhtS-0006YZ-Ol - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:50:58 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EAB4F3BF; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:42:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7N1fxIw011814; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:42:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7N1fxeF011812; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:41:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Aug 2006 03:41:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 03:41:59 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -50561,50 +35518,11 @@ You have a good point. That is an excellent observation. I will work out some of these constructive suggestions. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFiIq-0007Un-7K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:17:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFiIo-0007SK-CQ - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:17:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFiIm-0007Rm-6K - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:17:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFiIl-0007Rd-UK - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:17:08 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFiQV-00014h-Hy - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:25:07 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7N2Gsrc005858 - for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:16:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 678 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 02:16:54 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.225]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 23 Aug 2006 02:16:54 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7N28lX17033; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:08:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:08:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes - (Alfredo Portes) Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> - - -Cc: list > (1) At the moment, Axiom does not look simple to build/install > despite efforts in that direction; @@ -50616,38 +35534,11 @@ make i can't make it easier. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFiNM-0000z7-Eq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:21:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFiNK-0000wS-NY - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:21:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFiNI-0000wF-Oo - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:21:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFiNI-0000wC-H5 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:21:48 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.67] (helo=web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFiV2-0001Ne-6X - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:29:48 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22274 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2006 02:21:47 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=GHJkOe6BjjiQNG8zP8k0Wt/NRwyqaJMRFIo++oPwvZI9pmWi+jgVkeeN8rtnOmqIpaJ9SZu6pCK8nVnt/49Z+bhnyFh7BLAQ3fVdPypBIqVwGqKF1yESvQoFnBgaarCi5idcwZ0HjLDmqsLgIV+QDdyA1HOWXHupFT6HmwiS1lE= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:21:47 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -50686,39 +35577,7 @@ any number of reasons for an educated human brain being indespensible.) No problem - glad they made sense :-). -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFj5o-0005PB-OK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:07:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFj5n-0005Ld-4I - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:07:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFj5l-0005Gx-82 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:07:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFj5l-0005GV-3K - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:07:45 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.61] (helo=web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFjDU-0000pf-KL - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:15:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 38127 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2006 03:07:42 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Y54KSVz/O20a26XD0lAZ193RiNse1D30m7kC+HiOZFOx53VikgghNVMN2lh0rMUQfOxZ8y6RmmHPjys4fknxNbDxEN5Lb5WoLq/A+ZjOuh5vQSwSzRGKXdHJH405kBAgPUD7+jTAOgcWKcOHkr/hMs8BG03CV0L4U5Uz6HF9E0E= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:07:42 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -50770,58 +35629,13 @@ needs to be done/documented/designed. mentioned on the list some time back? Was that for real and if so is it available? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFj9G-0001mC-1M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:11:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFj9E-0001ly-BN - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:11:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFj9B-0001kn-0I - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:11:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFj9A-0001kd-QY - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:11:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFjGu-0001CM-B7 - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:19:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBAC40F45; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:11:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7N3AEdY015655; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:10:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7N3AEDO015654; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:10:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Aug 2006 05:10:14 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - - <9qu044mp0k.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qu044bf54.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200608222207.k7MM7kV27665@localhost.localdomain> - - - <200608230208.k7N28lX17033@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 05:10:14 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > (1) At the moment, Axiom does not look simple to build/install | > despite efforts in that direction; @@ -50835,42 +35649,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: that is one definition of it :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFjav-0000JC-G7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:39:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFjau-0000Go-3L - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:39:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFjas-0000EV-IO - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:39:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFjas-0000ED-EL - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:39:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFjic-0003di-Oa - for list; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:47:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1F34F3C1; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:39:50 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7N3cs3f017086; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:38:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7N3csJB017085; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:38:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Aug 2006 05:38:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, SPAD, and Aldor -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 05:38:53 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -50887,43 +35670,10 @@ semantics. It is still a work-in-program a colleague and I are conducting. When ee find it unembarrsing enough we will send the result here for feedback. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFt32-0002Wu-LH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:45:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFt30-0002WT-Uk - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:45:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFt2y-0002W6-9e - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:45:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFt2y-0002W3-7R - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:45:32 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFtAo-00066b-8D - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:53:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Aug 2006 13:45:28 -0000 -Received: from 85-124-72-122.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO - spencer.aistleitner.info) [85.124.72.122] - by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 23 Aug 2006 15:45:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:45:25 +0200 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" - <44E6170B.1020108@hemmecke.de> - - <44E63B73.1050403@hemmecke.de> - - <44E6490D.60207@hemmecke.de> - - - - -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l@aldor.org +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Using Aldor or SPAD Hello, @@ -50945,38 +35695,11 @@ Hello, ok. If its about me, I'll shift to a private discussion. --- -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFtnE-0007wI-H7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFtnD-0007vm-Ci - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFtnB-0007v0-Ih - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFtnB-0007uo-BL - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:17 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFtv2-0001rR-08 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:41:24 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7NEWqGR032476; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:32:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage On August 22, 2006 11:10 PM Gabriel Dos Reis > @@ -51003,41 +35726,11 @@ Here is another defintion: It works great in the Axiom Silver build_improvements branch. -Thanks, Gaby. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFuZg-0006lK-Ac - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:23:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFuZf-0006jn-D9 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:23:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFuZe-0006iW-Mx - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:23:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFuZe-0006iN-CD - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:23:22 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFuhV-0000hB-K9 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:31:29 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7NFN4e7016784; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:23:14 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:22:54 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:22:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On August 22, 2006 9:18 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -51101,47 +35794,13 @@ at that time. I wonder what Dr. Chudnovsky would write today if asked to compare the Axiom open source project to other open source projects and the commercial counterparts? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFvMX-0000AW-0k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:13:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFvMV-0000A5-Tk - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:13:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFvMU-00009B-8j - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:13:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFvMT-000094-UI - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:13:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFvUL-0006s1-NP - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:21:57 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF0D4F3EF; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:13:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NGCm1X005621; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:12:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NGCme6005620; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:12:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 23 Aug 2006 18:12:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On August 22, 2006 9:18 PM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -51200,38 +35859,11 @@ Unless we have gotten a time-travel machine, I don't believe what is happening to Axiom today must be retroactively used to redesign its past foundation. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFwwz-0007IS-KY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFwwx-0007I5-Qv - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFwwu-0007Ha-89 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFwwu-0007HW-5a - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:32 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.28] (helo=mail208.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFx4m-0007Zl-MI - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:03:40 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail208.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7NHtCrT005813; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:02 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:55:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list - -Gaby, On August 23, 2006 12:13 PM you wrote: > ... @@ -51312,47 +35944,13 @@ pursuing this work is very encouraging to me. :) Could you explain what you mean by "retroactively used to redesign its past foundation"? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFxMA-0003JA-ED - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:21:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFxM8-0003GZ-Vr - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:21:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFxM8-0003FY-FP - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:21:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFxM8-0003F3-1I - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:21:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFxU0-0002WJ-QX - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:29:45 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151594F3EE; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:21:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NIKXLk007880; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:20:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NIKXoE007879; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:20:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 23 Aug 2006 20:20:33 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -51434,32 +36032,10 @@ meaningfully understood that way. I don't believe earlier failure had to do with the fact that Axiom was presented a symbolic computation system. But I suspect all have our own religions and beliefs :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFxRA-000771-Mj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:26:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFxR8-00076w-Rm - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:26:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFxR8-00076k-7j - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:26:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFxR8-00076h-23 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:26:46 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFxZ0-0002zC-Ny - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:34:55 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GFxR1-0002kU-00; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:26:39 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 23 Aug 2006 14:26:39 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB Greetings! @@ -51658,50 +36234,12 @@ Take care, and thanks so much! > ---------------- > > Please let me know what else I can do to help you debug this. -> -> Thanks. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFySz-0004Wn-VA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:32:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFySx-0004Rp-RQ - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:32:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFySw-0004O6-2u - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:32:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFySv-0004Nz-Uz - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:32:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFyap-00026p-BA - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:40:51 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7NJWVGP000439 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:32:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:37:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Cc: list > I agree with Steven Watt (I hope I am not overstating his views.) @@ -51732,36 +36270,11 @@ way to deal with arbitrary expressions. But it should allow to add more and more structure to these expressions as the user understands the mathematics behind it. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFyWm-00066s-QS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:36:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFyWk-00066D-NI - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:36:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFyWj-00065z-0J - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:36:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFyWi-00065w-R8 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:36:36 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFyec-0002Qs-Cf - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:44:46 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7NJa5Yx007914; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:36:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:35:55 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:35:55 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On August 23, 2006 2:21 PM Gaby wrote: > | > @@ -51854,46 +36367,11 @@ product were no doubt very different and largely non-technical. Yes I suppose, but what does that have to do with Axiom? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFyoQ-0003D5-PA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:54:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFyoP-0003Bm-Om - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:54:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFyoL-0003AA-QR - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:54:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFyoL-00039q-Hm - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:54:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFywF-0004Ld-8H - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:02:59 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DE640F67; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:54:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NJrlFG009416; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:53:49 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NJrl9E009415; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:53:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Aug 2006 21:53:46 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage - <44ECAE73.9090908@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Aug 2006 21:53:46 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -51912,44 +36390,13 @@ mathematics and logic). I would not name weather prediction science differently just because it uses software written in Fortran instead of, say, Ada or vice versa. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFz5h-0003ig-5F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:12:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFz5e-0003dz-Kf - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:12:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFz5e-0003br-0p - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:12:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFz5d-0003ba-D5 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:12:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFzDX-00063B-77 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:20:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5C4F3C1; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:12:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NKBcYm009756; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:11:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NKBcru009755; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:11:38 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 23 Aug 2006 22:11:38 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On August 23, 2006 2:21 PM Gaby wrote: | > | > @@ -52062,44 +36509,13 @@ marketing that acheiving technical advances. our respective beliefs of why Axiom failed. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFzNh-0002HC-5N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:31:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFzNf-0002G3-SA - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:31:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFzNe-0002EP-71 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:31:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFzNe-0002EF-4H - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:31:18 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFzVY-0007XQ-AW - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:39:28 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506714F3DE; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:31:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NKUGQc010023; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:30:18 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NKUFwZ010022; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:30:15 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 23 Aug 2006 22:30:15 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -52114,38 +36530,11 @@ Cc: list OK; I'm glad to hear you did not mean it that way. Aopolgies. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFzf1-0004Yz-S9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:49:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFzez-0004XD-RN - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:49:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GFzev-0004S9-De - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:49:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFzev-0004S6-98 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:49:09 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GFzmp-0000d5-HD - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:57:19 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7NKmluW026222; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:49:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:48:31 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:48:31 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list - -Gaby, On August 23, 2006 4:12 PM you wrote: @@ -52197,46 +36586,10 @@ I do not agree that Axiom has "failed". Lack of commercial success should not be construed as failure in this kind of research. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG049-0000zV-NS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:15:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG048-0000yd-Tb - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:15:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG047-0000xr-2b - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:15:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG046-0000xn-U8 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:15:10 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG0C1-0002i1-Hd - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:23:21 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7NLEuqn003057 - for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:15:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5127 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2006 21:14:56 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 23 Aug 2006 21:14:56 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7NL6kV29258; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:06:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:06:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - <44ECAE73.9090908@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: Subject: Axiom and commercial success >From my understanding NAG picked up Axiom as a way to sell their @@ -52283,51 +36636,13 @@ science works. I encourage you to raise your eyes to the horizon and ignore the rocky road under your feet. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG0nV-00007G-OV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:02:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG0nU-00007A-PF - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG0nT-00006o-AR - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG0nT-00006l-4b - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:02:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG0vO-0006on-0Y - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:10:14 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36D84F3C0; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:01:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NM0x20011495; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:01:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NM0x6Y011494; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:00:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <44ECAE73.9090908@hemmecke.de> - - <200608232106.k7NL6kV29258@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:00:59 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom and commercial success -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -52339,44 +36654,13 @@ just ignored. How do you get people on board for long-term projects when you don't make room for them to make sure they can embark on the long journey? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG0to-0002Vo-Ks - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:08:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG0tn-0002Ve-AO - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:08:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG0tl-0002VQ-UO - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:08:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG0tl-0002VN-Pk - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:08:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG11g-0007FS-Rq - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:16:45 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4330140F56; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:08:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NM7VJq011548; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:07:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NM7VNm011547; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:07:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:07:31 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -52424,47 +36708,13 @@ each other. How do you measure success? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG1CE-0007Zp-Qa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:27:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG1CC-0007Zc-Ig - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:27:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG1CA-0007ZQ-Un - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:27:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG1CA-0007ZN-Pv - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:27:34 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG1K6-0000lk-32 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:35:46 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50944F3C0; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:27:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7NMQWRV011925; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:26:34 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7NMQWHY011924; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:26:32 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <44ECAE73.9090908@hemmecke.de> - - <200608232106.k7NL6kV29258@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Aug 2006 00:26:32 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom and commercial success -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -52482,42 +36732,15 @@ project described in ? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG1Mk-0001bx-NS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:38:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG1Mj-0001ZA-8o - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:38:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG1Mh-0001YB-L6 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:38:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG1Mh-0001Y8-G5 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:38:27 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.69] (helo=web56710.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GG1Uc-0001cw-TL - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:46:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 54669 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2006 22:38:17 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=KIzUKzeZbo1uZQQrcZ0B8N5kP2U6CFNs1SZCqaJNyFX1Arra346mislqjNqgj1tq7HO0t7kGvoI8E9kfCQIEh6YIqsOOfjbd9Z8yNWkVglQkU1PwmUyzwZg3+QktYYceYCLU+li5OAdm1KaVczA7AUzFrGzh6RF4mOwYLBYownU= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56710.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:38:17 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Axiom and commercial success To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: re: Axiom and commercial success --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > | I encourage you to raise your eyes to the horizon and ignore the > | rocky road under your feet. @@ -52545,42 +36768,11 @@ I don't have all that much time available, and less compiler skill, but I would like to be able to do something more constructive and helpful than writing emails :-). -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG41x-0003qb-N1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG41w-0003p7-2i - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG41u-0003o4-6D - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG41u-0003o0-09 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GG49q-0000U6-DD - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:37:22 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7O1SkEE023802; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:28:35 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:28:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Gaby, @@ -52647,40 +36839,11 @@ in their research and/or teaching. In terms of these measures Axiom is not (yet) a failure but I believe that we could do much better and I am disappointed with rate of change. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG4Yg-0008Q2-VP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:03:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG4Ye-0008Nk-L2 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:03:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GG4Yc-0008Jz-89 - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:03:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GG4Yc-0008Jw-1g - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:02:58 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GG4gZ-0002h9-5N - for list; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:11:11 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k7O22W2b014434; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:02:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom and commercial success Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:02:17 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Axiom and commercial success On August 23, 2006 6:01 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -52736,46 +36899,10 @@ Bill Page. PS. I will be silent for the next 5 days or so, not because I have suddenly lost interest but only because I am away on a trip. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGAt7-0007uJ-SO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:48:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGAt4-0007pA-NW - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:48:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGAt2-0007jq-Fq - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:48:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGAt2-0007hW-3U - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:48:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GGB12-0007fE-RP - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:56:45 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7O8mDwq010768 - for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:48:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail 2345 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2006 08:48:14 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 24 Aug 2006 08:48:14 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7O8eAF29795; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:40:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:40:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - Gabriel Dos Reis on 24 Aug 2006 00:00:59 +0200) - <44ECAE73.9090908@hemmecke.de> - - <200608232106.k7NL6kV29258@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: Subject: Re: Axiom and commercial success > | I encourage you to raise your eyes to the horizon and ignore the @@ -52921,53 +37048,13 @@ dark ages. I'd make progress quicker if I could but it takes a LOT of time to make sure it "just works". Most of the things I'm actually working on will take years to complete. But I'm in no hurry. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGBhz-0007on-Qz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:41:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGBhx-0007o5-Vg - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:41:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGBhw-0007nL-3t - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:41:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGBhv-0007nC-TA - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:41:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GGBpx-00044f-Dh - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:49:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB854F3C2; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:40:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7O9dxJI019609; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:40:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7O9dxtC019608; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:39:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 24 Aug 2006 11:39:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom and commercial success - <44ECAE73.9090908@hemmecke.de> - - <200608232106.k7NL6kV29258@localhost.localdomain> - - <200608240840.k7O8eAF29795@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Aug 2006 11:39:59 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | I encourage you to raise your eyes to the horizon and ignore the | > | rocky road under your feet. @@ -53049,44 +37136,13 @@ I need to feed my family too :-) tenure-track has a clock ;-p --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGC5i-0007zE-1S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:05:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGC5g-0007yo-FV - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:05:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGC5f-0007yI-D3 - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:05:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGC5f-0007yB-7g - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:05:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GGCDh-0005v8-4L - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:13:53 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC844F3E2; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:05:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7OA4VPe020066; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:04:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7OA4Vll020065; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:04:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Aug 2006 12:04:31 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: SAGE, Axiom, and usage -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -53128,44 +37184,11 @@ My first approximation of success is the number of users. The number of contributors, to me, is essentially secondary -- as long as it is not close to zero. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGCUZ-0000pq-Ew - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:31:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGCUX-0000oy-U6 - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:31:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGCUX-0000oP-9r - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:31:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGCUX-0000oM-2P - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:31:17 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GGCcZ-0008JP-5Q - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:39:35 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E9F4F3D2; - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:31:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k7OAUCA7020302; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:30:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k7OAUC6p020301; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:30:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 24 Aug 2006 12:30:12 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: spad: language and compiler -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Aug 2006 12:30:12 +0200 -Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jaakko_J=E4rvi?= , - list - [ I added my colleague Jaakko in CC: as he is not on axiom lists. ] @@ -53173,7 +37196,7 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: | --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | -| > root Tim Daly writes: +| > Tim Daly writes: | > | I encourage you to raise your eyes to the horizon and ignore the | > | rocky road under your feet. | @@ -53254,43 +37277,12 @@ the type system. Thanks, --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGDCy-0003gG-SS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:17:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGDCx-0003fy-Sc - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:17:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGDCw-0003fb-3b - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:17:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGDCw-0003fY-0d - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:17:10 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GGDKy-0004rI-Jk - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:25:28 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GGDCi-00062X-QA; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:16:56 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GGDCi-0006F2-P1; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:16:56 +0200 +Date: 24 Aug 2006 13:16:56 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 24 Aug 2006 13:16:56 +0200 -Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jaakko_J=E4rvi?= , - list, aldor-l +Cc: Jaakko Jarvi Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -53382,42 +37374,12 @@ guess. Christian has a parser written in Aldor, but you know that. So, that's a point for FOAM :-) -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGDeQ-0003tO-8h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:45:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGDeO-0003ou-P3 - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:45:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGDeL-0003h3-HH - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:45:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGDeL-0003gm-EV - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:45:29 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GGDmO-0007ws-6I - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:53:48 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7OBjDGP025212 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:45:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:50:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler - <9qk64ycriv.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?o_J=E4rvi?= , list, - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jaakk?=@gnu.org, - aldor-l +Cc: Jaakko Jarvi > f(m: INT, n: INT): PF n == m::PF(n) > @@ -53463,51 +37425,17 @@ I also think so. You can completely forget about Aldor if you just want to generate different target languages. That is as I understand the foam business. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGETe-0004jH-C3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:38:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGETd-0004hY-2d - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:38:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGETb-0004f5-3R - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:38:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGETa-0004eo-VN - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:38:27 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GGEbe-0001Mf-5d - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:46:46 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GGETV-0003d4-VI; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:38:21 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GGETV-0008NI-Rq; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:38:21 +0200 +Date: 24 Aug 2006 14:38:19 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler - - <9qk64ycriv.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> <44ED9271.4090106@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 24 Aug 2006 14:38:19 +0200 -Cc: aldor-l , =?iso-8859-1?q? Jaakko Järvi?= , =?iso-8859-1?q??=@gnu.org, - list +Cc: aakko Jarvi, -Ralf Hemmecke writes: > > f(m: INT, n: INT): PF n == m::PF(n) that's OK. - > > [f(100, n) for n in primes(1,100)] that's stupid. @@ -53529,41 +37457,17 @@ Quite unbelievable, isn't it? (Maybe I'm being too critical though. I wouldn't call Basic a "language" in the sense I'm trying to establish here. I probably should have said: specification) - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGHaj-00056o-Rm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:58:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGHah-00055X-PG - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:57:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGHah-000551-8c - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:57:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGHah-00054s-52; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:57:59 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GGHim-0001Hx-9o; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:06:20 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GGHab-0000U1-00; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:57:53 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 24 Aug 2006 11:57:53 -0400 -Cc: list, Gordon Shaw Novak Gordon Novak, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) +Cc: Gordon Novak Greetings! Hope you got my last message regarding the directory deletion fixes, etc. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -53605,36 +37509,10 @@ Most people now use a higher level toolkit built on top, such as gtk. There are lisp wrappers for these, but not incorporated yet, and likely will remain so unless someone is really using them. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGPbd-00054Y-Vc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:31:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGPbb-00051H-Jg - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:31:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGPbZ-0004xm-UG - for list; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:31:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGPbZ-0004xc-QT; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:31:25 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GGPjk-0006Qs-40; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:39:52 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GGPbU-0003s4-00; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:31:20 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 24 Aug 2006 20:31:20 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) Greetings! Just going through old mail -- can we use expanded @@ -53664,42 +37542,11 @@ Bill Page writes: > to > --enable-maxpage=196*1024 > ... -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGeh9-00081F-JW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:38:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGeh7-00080n-Vi - for list; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:38:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGeh7-00080T-36 - for list; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:38:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GGeh1-0007zY-W9; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:38:04 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GGepL-0006C8-Ef; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:46:39 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GGegx-00015Z-00; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:37:59 -0400 -To: "Robert Dodier" Robert Dodier -From: Camm Maguire Date: 25 Aug 2006 12:37:59 -0400 -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Dodier Subject: Misc. re: 2.6.7 Greetings, and thank you so much for your very valuable reports in @@ -53747,44 +37594,12 @@ I can control that silly website from emacs, but for now I'll get to closing those items soon. If you feel in the mood and agree with the expalnations here, please feel free to do so yourself. -Take care, - - - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHDqD-0001Fc-P7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:09:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHDqC-0001Ef-UA - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:09:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHDqB-0001BR-LU - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:09:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHDqB-0001BB-Ig - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:09:51 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GHDyq-00061X-O9 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:18:49 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-10.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.10]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7R69nSt003170 - for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:09:50 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 8DF321A968; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:10:10 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Aug 2006 01:10:10 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] GCL-2.6.7 is history - Hi, with this, we no longer have to care about GCL-2.6.7 -- as we still @@ -54161,36 +37976,11 @@ Name: svn:keywords - fi --- 0 ---- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHDvl-0004EW-EO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:15:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHDvi-0004DS-V3 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:15:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHDvh-0004Cp-UU - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:15:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHDvh-0004CY-HC - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:15:33 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GHE4M-0006nf-R8 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:24:31 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-10.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.10]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7R6FWSt003233 - for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:15:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id B0A8E1A968; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:15:52 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Aug 2006 01:15:52 -0500 -Subject: [build-improvements] Upgrade to latest - GCL-2.6.8pre - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] Upgrade to latest GCL-2.6.8pre this patchlet makes us use the latest GCL-2.6.8pre based on the patches contributed by Camm. @@ -54369,36 +38159,12 @@ zips/ (defentry sock_send_wakeup (int int) (int "sock_send_wakeup")) (defentry server_switch () (int "server_switch")) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHEcu-0003yl-Ng - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:00:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHEcs-0003ur-OH - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:00:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHEcr-0003s5-A6 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:00:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHEcq-0003rH-VK - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:00:09 -0400 -Received: from [66.76.2.50] (helo=fe5.coxmail.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GHElW-0001D8-C0 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:09:06 -0400 -Received: from monad.cs.tamu.edu ([24.250.139.216]) by fe5.coxmail.com - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20060827070002.PPWO20399.fe5.coxmail.com@monad.cs.tamu.edu> - for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:00:02 -0500 -Received: by monad.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 4BCE517B2; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:00:19 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Aug 2006 02:00:19 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] rationalize lsp/ - this patchlet rationalizes the logic for lsp/Makefile. In particular, it factorizes the various stanzas in lsp/Makefile.pamphlet, delegating administrative bits to configure. @@ -55311,46 +39077,11 @@ lsp/ + @( cd ccl ; ${ENV} ${MAKE} clean ) + - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHPaL-00044D-CU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHPaJ-000413-Od - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHPaI-0003zD-33 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHPaH-0003yy-VU - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:14 -0400 -Received: from [164.107.123.5] (helo=cse.ohio-state.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GHPj4-0003f5-EJ - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:51:18 -0400 -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (root@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu - [164.107.112.43]) - by cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7RIgO32004964 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:24 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (gurari@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k7RIg843003923; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) -Received: (from gurari@localhost) - by xi.cse.ohio-state.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id - k7RIg7IK003920; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:07 -0400 (EDT) -From: Eitan Gurari Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:42:07 -0400 +From: Eitan Gurari To: Bill Page Subject: re: Another question - -Cc: axiom-developer - - - Page, Bill writes: @@ -55390,39 +39121,12 @@ The correct syntax is: http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/teTeX/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-260.html --eitan - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHX9k-0001t4-0D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:47:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHX9i-0001sU-1c - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:47:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GHX9g-0001ro-TN - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:47:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHX9g-0001ri-Q2 - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:47:16 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GHXIX-0007TU-CJ - for list; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:56:26 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-29.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.29]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7S2O3St028544 - for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:24:04 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 3C5761A968; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:24:27 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Aug 2006 21:24:27 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl - Hi the patchlet below adds support for --with-gcl. By default, configure will try to detect the presence of a gcl command @@ -55559,36 +39263,10 @@ Built and tested on an i686-pc-linux-gnu. AC_SUBST(axiom_required_build_utils) @ - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI03a-0004ky-Bn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:38:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI03Z-0004kr-23 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:38:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI03X-0004kc-29 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:38:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI03W-0004kZ-S7 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:38:50 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI0Cf-0008Hj-Lx - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:48:17 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7T9chGP021526 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:38:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:44:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Cliff Yapp, axiom-dev -Cc: +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Dimensions as types... Hi Cliff, @@ -55711,35 +39389,11 @@ main(): () == { main(); ---END dimension.as - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI0QW-0005oq-GA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:02:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI0QV-0005oj-9K - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:02:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI0QT-0005oT-Ih - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:02:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI0QT-0005oQ-GG - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:02:33 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI0Zc-0002Gh-Em - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:12:00 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7TA2RSt004358; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:02:27 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 87B771A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:02:53 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 29 Aug 2006 05:02:53 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Dimensions as types... - <44F40C6B.70501@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Aug 2006 05:02:53 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -55759,38 +39413,10 @@ inconsistency problem with Type:Type. I'm wondering how Aldor gets away with that. Many languages (mostly functional) use stratified types. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI0xp-0001v6-Af - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:37:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI0xn-0001uw-Qh - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:36:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI0xm-0001uk-9Y - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:36:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI0xm-0001uh-66 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:36:58 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI16v-0005Zv-Hf - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:46:25 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7TAaaGP029791 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:36:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87odu3eu5u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l Subject: Type: Type > At the logical level, as I have observed some time ago, there is an @@ -55804,38 +39430,12 @@ Can you construct a paradox that demonstrates the problem in terms of Aldor code? To me it looks like the class (not set) of all classes. Would there be a problem in class theory? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI1hi-0002pK-FH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:24:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI1hg-0002ng-Am - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:24:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI1hf-0002nM-C1 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:24:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI1hf-0002nJ-8s; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:24:23 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GI1qp-00024Q-66; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:33:51 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7TBOKSt006073; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:24:20 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id A55441A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:24:46 -0500 (CDT) -To: Camm Maguire -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Aug 2006 06:24:46 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Install problem with GCL-2.6.8pre - Hi Camm, I'm experiencing a problem when installing GCL-2.6.8pre in a custom prefix. @@ -55873,37 +39473,10 @@ package like Axiom) may not have write permission to that directory. Any particular reason why the elisp files are not installed in $(prefix)/share/emacs for example? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI2RQ-00074A-GN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI2RO-00073d-OL - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI2RN-00072w-Oc - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI2RN-00072s-K4 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:37 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.73] (helo=web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI2aY-0006dP-14 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:21:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 24951 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2006 12:11:35 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=h6dWmJmDTTDyo3IZ0rGsyJWJPSI8nFGRDZnf9yBnZV089mG+X0ozvXvcxl1cT75EasgoDG+0VBN6AV9Gzc1i68P4fIOCSnfg7VDr9oXigHxrW3zZKPq9DIzHnl4qKL/fJV2OZWneZX/FKvlN4vkLhllP0q60AEZ8bhRwwl5I/Xk= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:11:35 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Ralf Hemmecke, axiom-dev -Cc: +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Dimensions as types... --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -55983,46 +39556,12 @@ that's why the literature is more or less at a consensus that dimensions should be modeled by Abelian groups over the multiplicative operation. -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI34Q-0002nu-M4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI34O-0002mu-LM - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI34L-0002jF-CZ - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI34L-0002jA-71 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:53 -0400 -Received: from [129.100.16.102] (helo=ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI3DW-0003Br-04 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:01:22 -0400 -Received: from ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7TCpmG1011763; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:48 -0400 -Received: (from watt@localhost) - by ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k7TCplTx011762; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:51:47 -0400 From: Stephen Watt To: Ralf Hemmecke - <44F40C6B.70501@hemmecke.de> <87odu3eu5u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <44F419FC.7010302@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l , - Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Type: Type +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis You are correct that there is a potential inconsistency. @@ -56054,42 +39593,11 @@ On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:42:04PM +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Can you construct a paradox that demonstrates the problem in terms of > Aldor code? To me it looks like the class (not set) of all classes. > Would there be a problem in class theory? -> -> Ralf -> _______________________________________________ -> Aldor-l mailing list -> Aldor-l@aldor.org -> http://www.aldor.org/mailman/listinfo/aldor-l - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3FF-0000PM-LI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:03:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3FD-0000O7-Sk - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:03:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3FB-0000K9-0x - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:03:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI3FA-0000Jr-RD - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:03:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI3OL-0004RK-6H - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:12:33 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7TD30GP003675 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:03:01 +0200 + +\start Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:08:28 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: Dimensions as types... Hi Cliff, @@ -56138,45 +39646,10 @@ that models the abelian group behaviour. The problem is that it is not so terribly easy to construct a commutative type constructor. 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Can someone explain what it does? -Thanks. - -Igor - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3Xv-0003lp-Mf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:22:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GH0FA-00022D-W8 - for list; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:38:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GH0FA-00020o-5d - for list; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:38:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GH0F9-00020c-OV - for list; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:38:43 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.234] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GH0Ng-0007hj-Ir - for list; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:47:32 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1290228wxc - for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=i6zdfV0B0KCAz3nXT/Pl3g/8bdhJtgkryBar9ytXwjNd30ChwqWZkl44NXdiQjIpeDVL1vI3R6QsyJgw401cTDDNrEGehraL0kPEp7MwsWTSboEnYZmfv2FLwxH2CypCWLpYweSyK4QcEL5bYIpeRSAodk4kYT2fcogtRqSUstY= -Received: by 10.90.113.20 with SMTP id l20mr816042agc; - Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.69.16 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:38:42 -0600 -From: "Robert Dodier" Robert Dodier +From: Robert Dodier To: Camm Maguire - <5464gglqjc.fsf_-_@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Misc. re: 2.6.7 Hello Camm, you wrote: @@ -56276,41 +39718,11 @@ dribble file has newlines in wrong places. Thanks a lot for all your hard work! -Robert Dodier - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3iK-0002pB-42 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:33:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3iH-0002o0-OR - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:33:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI3iF-0002ml-P0 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:33:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI3iF-0002md-Jh - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:33:07 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI3rQ-0007M1-Q7 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:42:37 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GI3i7-0005cl-UO; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:32:59 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GI3i7-0004on-TU; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:32:59 +0200 +\start +Date: 29 Aug 2006 15:32:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Dimensions as types... -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Aug 2006 15:32:57 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -56355,35 +39767,10 @@ Dimension. Multiplying two dimensions gives you another dimension. The unit Keep in mind: in Aldor, types are first class. They even can be the elements of a domain. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4KL-0004me-Fk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:12:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4KJ-0004kn-Tn - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:12:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4KG-0004if-SV - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:12:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI4KG-0004iV-KK - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:12:24 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI4TS-00048U-Ax - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:21:54 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-56-10.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-56-10.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.185.10]) - by mwinf1907.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 94C1E1C00109; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:12:22 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:12:46 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: [build-improvements] make clean and xgcl Hello Gaby, @@ -56400,42 +39787,11 @@ be found (with or without building gcl). And of course many thanks for your work. - -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4kv-0006Wz-Kp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:39:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4kt-0006WI-Pu - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:39:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4kp-0006UN-7I - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:39:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI4kp-0006UJ-08 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:39:51 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI4u0-00079m-Kh - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:49:20 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7TEdmGP006590 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:39:48 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:45:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Dimensions as types... - <9qodu3sm46.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev > I just wanted to point out that you can give the Aldor Category "Dimension" an > algebraic structure. This is in fact one of the main advantages of Aldor over @@ -56474,40 +39830,11 @@ Ralf PS: Martin probably wanted Scalar = ConstantDimension. No? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4tc-0005FC-AN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:48:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4tb-0005Ev-Fz - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:48:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI4tZ-0005Dh-Ij - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:48:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI4tZ-0005DX-BW - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:48:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI52l-0008BK-4D - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:58:23 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GI4tX-0001ZD-C9; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:48:51 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GI4tX-0002W1-8q; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:48:51 +0200 +Date: 29 Aug 2006 16:48:50 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Dimensions as types... - <9qodu3sm46.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <44F452FF.9020406@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Aug 2006 16:48:50 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -56539,42 +39866,14 @@ necessary! (honestly) Yes. Isn't that synonymous? -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI55q-00051O-J9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:01:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI55o-00050H-Hu - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:01:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI55n-0004zd-LD - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:01:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI55n-0004zY-Fu - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:01:31 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI5Ez-00010G-85 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:11:01 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7TF1TSt015829; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:01:29 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 886241A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:01:56 -0500 (CDT) -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Aug 2006 10:01:56 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: [build-improvements] make clean and xgcl -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: - | Hello Gaby, -|=20 +| | I tested the build-improvements branch and if we build gcl the XLIB | (xgcl) package is compiled in (gcl and AXIOMsys are thus linked against | the X libraries). Don't know what you think about this, it's just a @@ -56593,50 +39892,17 @@ moment. We should have one. I know I had similar problem in the past and I heared that it would NOT be recommended. I think that is wrong. We should have a dependency that make knows about. That way we can also have a parallel build (make -jN) -- Axiom just takes too long to -build.=20 +build. I'm working in major restructuring of the makefiles. I have class today, so unfortunately I won't do much today. But, please, list your priority about the build machinery. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI5RM-0002F9-Lg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:23:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI5RK-0002Ew-Ri - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:23:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI5RI-0002EE-UN - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:23:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI5RI-0002EB-Qo - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:23:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI5aV-0003NE-3r - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:33:15 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7TFNJW6018334 - for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:23:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7027 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 15:23:21 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 29 Aug 2006 15:23:21 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7TFFCv18418; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:15:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:15:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: --patch-50 Patch 50 is up in arch. @@ -56758,37 +40024,10 @@ Keywords: 20060506 gdr zips/gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpcall.lsp.patch removed 20060425 gxv src/doc/DeveloperNotes )end{verbatim) -> \end{verbatim} - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI6Do-0004Wx-IB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:13:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI6Dm-0004WY-Lp - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:13:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI6Dl-0004Vd-BZ - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:13:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI6Dl-0004Va-86 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:13:49 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.62] (helo=web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI6My-0005Lt-1k - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:23:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 41296 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2006 16:13:48 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=nGehgdgVZE0/2orYor/l9r3gRPQupNNwyd6oct/yr0vyl4GWzgHh9z4xk8FavgkBtqq1CM0eXYJE8sH+FBF6af7Dxxr5D20kAOBnYwQNrQ7/hQ+UNz8vlrYSB+ICOLcjWIJsh6/lXB5j30f01YOFPkaUDy+OnOp1DlQh8jXZ+ww= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:13:48 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: Dimensions as types... --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -56911,43 +40150,10 @@ challenge to represent in conventional type systems in most languages one). I am hopeful that Aldor can do it but it certainly will require some not-normal ways of working with and generating types. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI6q2-0004J0-18 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:53:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI6q1-0004Ir-2B - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:53:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GI6py-0004IX-Fr - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:53:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GI6py-0004IU-B1 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:53:18 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GI6zB-0001Jv-8E - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:02:49 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7TGr1GP011962 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:53:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:58:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: Dimensions as types... Hi Cliff, @@ -57005,39 +40211,12 @@ For example, do you know why I could simply write ? There is only a space between 2 and centimeter. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIB6l-0003IN-9V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:26:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIB6j-0003GP-Ur - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:26:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIB6g-0003AG-U7 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:26:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIB6g-00039x-NG; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:26:50 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GIBFw-0002u6-CD; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:36:24 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7TLQgSt012661; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:26:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 06EA61A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:26:44 -0500 (CDT) -To: Camm Maguire -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Aug 2006 16:26:43 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image - Hi Camm, GCL-2.6.9pre, checkout of cvs as of this morning, has problems @@ -57063,40 +40242,13 @@ Indeed the file sysdef.lisp is NOT present in the install directory it looks like the install machinery forgot to install it. -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIBpC-0000u7-SM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIBpA-0000tL-E3 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIBp9-0000sy-He - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIBp9-0000ss-A3 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:12:47 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIByP-0008A8-Fc - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:22:21 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7TMCjSt015328; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:12:45 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 6130B1A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:12:47 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 29 Aug 2006 17:12:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Aug 2006 17:12:47 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Patch 50 is up in arch. | @@ -57178,44 +40330,11 @@ Can we have only one master CVS with the othe one rsync-ing? OK. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GICQ5-0003iE-Ak - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:50:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GICQ3-0003fh-LQ - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:50:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GICQ0-0003VO-2e - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:50:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GICPz-0003VF-V7 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:50:51 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GICZG-0003DO-I2 - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:00:26 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7TMoaL9028355 - for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:50:44 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22126 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 22:50:36 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 29 Aug 2006 22:50:36 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7TMgKY18859; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:42:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:42:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: gdr@acm.org - Reis on 29 Aug 2006 17:12:47 -0500) +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <87bqq3tcm8.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > Is this issue related to missing libXpm? Or is it a different one? @@ -57249,51 +40368,23 @@ At this time all of the CVS files are up to date. I've checked out the SVN branch and will be creating a set of diff-Naur files for you to look at. -Tim - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIDKQ-0003jI-Lf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:49:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIDKP-0003j0-3I - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:49:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIDKM-0003hG-Dj - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:49:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIDKM-0003hC-Af - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:49:06 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIDTd-0007RE-9B - for list; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:58:41 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-17-122.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-17-122.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.159.122]) - by mwinf1919.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9D1271C00082; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:48:28 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87bqq3d1qz.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:48:18 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] make clean and xgcl -Le mardi 29 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 10:01 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 29 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 10:01 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > | Hello Gaby, -> |=20 +> | > | I tested the build-improvements branch and if we build gcl the XLIB > | (xgcl) package is compiled in (gcl and AXIOMsys are thus linked again= st > | the X libraries). Don't know what you think about this, it's just a > | remark. ->=20 +> > Ah, I have no particular idea about which direction to go here. What > would be your recommendation? @@ -57308,17 +40399,17 @@ e, > | the build process stops and complains about the fact that lisp can no= t > | be found (with or without building gcl). ->=20 +> > yes, that is very annoying. We don't have a good dependency at the > moment. We should have one. I know I had similar problem in the past > and I heared that it would NOT be recommended. I think that is wrong. > We should have a dependency that make knows about. That way we can > also have a parallel build (make -jN) -- Axiom just takes too long to -> build.=20 +> build. I think so. -> I'm working in major restructuring of the makefiles. =20 +> I'm working in major restructuring of the makefiles. Yes the big part. A quick note, it would be great if a modified src/algebra/*.spad.pamphlet file can be used by Axiom after a remake. In @@ -57328,12 +40419,12 @@ type make in the root directory the modified file is apparently compiled but not copied to the mnt/linux/algebra directory. I have not investigated this problem but it's really annoying when you want to add some algebra files and modify them (I even don't speak about the -dependency issues).=20 +dependency issues). ->=20 +> > I have class > today, so unfortunately I won't do much today. ->=20 +> > But, please, list your priority about the build machinery. I haven't no priority at all for this branch, it's not the silver @@ -57345,47 +40436,13 @@ build Axiom and lists the known issues, the workarounds and why not the TODO (it can refer to the "gold" README for more information about Axiom). -Greg - ->=20 -> Thanks! ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIHcl-0002gk-2W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:24:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIHcj-0002fX-QU - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:24:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIHcg-0002ce-Q5 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:24:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIHcg-0002cb-LT - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:24:18 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIHm0-0004Rm-Bn - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:33:56 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-29.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.29]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7U4OGSt026653; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:24:16 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id BF5F61A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:24:19 -0500 (CDT) +\start +Date: 29 Aug 2006 23:24:19 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <87bqq3tcm8.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <200608292242.k7TMgKY18859@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Aug 2006 23:24:19 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Is this issue related to missing libXpm? Or is it a different one? | @@ -57433,55 +40490,27 @@ problem, I don't find it a problem :-) OK, thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIHgY-0006JW-OI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:28:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIHgX-0006IH-BH - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:28:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIHgW-0006I3-63 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:28:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIHgW-0006Hx-0u - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:28:16 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIHpp-0004k9-Jd - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:37:54 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-29.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.29]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7U4SESt026729; - Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:28:14 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 73DBF1A968; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:28:17 -0500 (CDT) -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: re: [build-improvements] make clean and xgcl - <87bqq3d1qz.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1156895298.2903.58.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Aug 2006 23:28:17 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: [build-improvements] make clean and xgcl -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: -| Le mardi 29 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 10:01 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +| Le mardi 29 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 10:01 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : | > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: -| >=20 +| > | > | Hello Gaby, -| > |=20 +| > | | > | I tested the build-improvements branch and if we build gcl the XLIB | > | (xgcl) package is compiled in (gcl and AXIOMsys are thus linked again= st | > | the X libraries). Don't know what you think about this, it's just a | > | remark. -| >=20 +| > | > Ah, I have no particular idea about which direction to go here. What | > would be your recommendation? -|=20 +| | Personally I think that if we don't use a package we can remove it. So | for gcl it can be removed from the lisp image and added later if | necessary. In fact there is also the TK package that Axiom doesn't use @@ -57489,12 +40518,12 @@ st I see. I havw a working patch that builds GCL-2.6.8pre with --disable-xgcl. I came to it when solving the other GCL issue I -mentioned earlier today.=20=20 +mentioned earlier today. [...] | > But, please, list your priority about the build machinery. -|=20 +| | I haven't no priority at all for this branch, it's not the silver | branch, it's a work in progress branch (as silver you can say). So if | there are some problems that will be fixed later because some @@ -57506,59 +40535,27 @@ mentioned earlier today.=20=20 that is a very good suggestion. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIK9I-00018P-4i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:06:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIK9F-00013w-Ft - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:06:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIK9D-00011n-Ek - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:06:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIK9D-00011g-A5 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:06:03 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIKIY-00010X-GH - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:15:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D85BD6ACF2; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:06:01 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A9EE86A87D; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:05:59 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:05:55 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -Thread-Index: AcbLseEy/mXHgjABS3CkTs/1l6zKeQAT4jAg From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Camm Maguire +Subject: RE: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:27 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > GCL-2.6.9pre, checkout of cvs as of this morning, has problems > making new lisp image. More precisely, the instruction ->=20 +> > % echo '(compiler::link nil "foo")' | gcl ->=20 +> > has GCL die with the message ->=20 +> > [...] > loading /home/gdr/lib/gcl-2.6.8/unixport/../xgcl-2/sysdef.lisp ->=20 -> Error: Cannot open the file=20 +> +> Error: Cannot open the file > /home/gdr/lib/gcl-2.6.8/unixport/../xgcl-2/sysdef.lisp. > ... @@ -57586,72 +40583,38 @@ Broken at BUILD-INTERPSYS. Type :H for Help. It seems there may be other problems. Perhaps it might be a good idea to review the Camm's Debian patches. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKJZ-0006rA-42 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKJY-0006qT-EX - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKJW-0006ox-P2 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIKJW-0006oq-GL - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIKSs-0001wF-0J - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:26:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AC1B46AE32; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6F4EF6AD49; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:16:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl -Thread-Index: AcbKTFTNHWNgMTlMSqmBcbfJlopcGwBtoskg From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:24 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Hi the patchlet below adds support for --with-gcl. ->=20 +> > By default, configure will try to detect the presence of a gcl > command in the build environment, and use it. You can instruct > Axiom not to autotect through the configure option --without-gcl. > Of course, you can also explicitly tell Axiom the availability of > GCL throught --with-gcl. All this follows standard GNU build > tools semantics. ->=20 +> > When I tried this, I had > * an outright segmentation fault with a _separately_ installed > GCL-2.6.8pre. That SIGSEV was preceeded by failure to load > sysdef.lsp from GCL-2.6.8pre installation. Investigation > revealed that indeed, that file is missing from the installation > repository. That seems a plain bug from GCL part. ->=20 +> I think it might be the case that 'compiler::link' expects that gcl is built with option '--enable-ansi'. At least in that case I did not get the error you quote. -> ...=20 +> ... > Notice that none of the above problems manifests if one uses > GCL as part of the Axiom sources. Consequently, until the above > issues are fixed, be sure to specify --without-gcl when invoking @@ -57675,45 +40638,12 @@ specify a proper dependency for gcl, no? Thanks for your continuing work on this branch! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKL4-0008H2-Rs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:18:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKL2-0008Fq-Ig - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:18:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKL0-0008Cu-Me - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:18:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIKL0-0008Cj-Fh - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:18:14 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIKUI-00022E-FP - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:27:54 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7U7Hsdm019592 - for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:17:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 2325 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2006 07:17:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 30 Aug 2006 07:17:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7U79h419039; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:09:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:09:43 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis clearly burning the midnight oil, eh? @@ -57721,43 +40651,12 @@ clearly burning the midnight oil, eh? Axiom won't work in an ansi lisp yet. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKdh-00077h-3B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKdf-00075o-0W - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIKdb-00072N-Fj - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIKda-00072J-Vf - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:27 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIKmw-0003qj-I0 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:47:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 520366AB0D; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 562986AADC; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:37:25 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -Thread-Index: AcbMBHaNJncUliJNR0atveJqbJwZ4gAADdeA From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis Tim, @@ -57782,7 +40681,7 @@ email: > 1) Mod GCL to > 1) build axiom as is under ansi. This is a simple conversion -> of the in-package failure to a warning afaict. or=20 +> of the in-package failure to a warning afaict. or > 1a) ship both images starting with 2.6.8 everywhere. > 2) remove compile-time memory limits in GCL. @@ -57793,50 +40692,24 @@ Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: root [mailto:Tim Daly]=20 +> From: root [mailto:Tim Daly] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:10 AM > To: Bill Page -> Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis; Camm Maguire;=20 +> Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis; Camm Maguire; > list; gcl-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image ->=20 +> > clearly burning the midnight oil, eh? ->=20 +> > > --enable-ansi fails with: ->=20 -> Axiom won't work in an ansi lisp yet.=20 ->=20 -> t ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILDb-0002TF-9L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:14:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILDX-0002QE-Cr - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:14:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILDW-0002OZ-0X - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:14:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GILDV-0002OA-BJ - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:14:33 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GILMr-0006xh-8X - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:13 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-29.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.29]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7U8EVSt001896; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:14:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id ECE581A968; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:14:35 -0500 (CDT) +> +> Axiom won't work in an ansi lisp yet. + +\start +Date: 30 Aug 2006 03:14:35 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Aug 2006 03:14:35 -0500 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -57896,37 +40769,12 @@ yes, that is my fault. Will be fixed. You're welcome. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILIp-0007MF-9x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:20:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILIn-0007Kd-OX - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:20:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILIl-0007JD-Pd - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:20:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILIk-0007Iu-Un; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:19:59 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GILS6-0007Es-I7; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:29:38 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-29.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.29]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7U8JhSt001957; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:19:43 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 8C9EC1A968; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:19:47 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 30 Aug 2006 03:19:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Aug 2006 03:19:47 -0500 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire Bill Page writes: @@ -57980,56 +40828,25 @@ build continued instead of failing. Later LISP found that the object file astr.o was missing. I think I fixed it. I just need to find the right "experimental directory" that has it :-( Sorry for that. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILN7-0002W3-M0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILN4-0002TX-T0 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILMz-0002Oj-NG - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GILMz-0002OL-7Y - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GILWL-0007kn-Bc - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:34:01 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2623F6AD7B; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:20 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 87DC06AD78; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:18 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl -Thread-Index: AcbMDFqhONsVvHHTSFuRm+LX9gEaQwAACebg From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] add support for --with-gcl -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:15 AM you wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > | I think it might be the case that 'compiler::link' expects that > | gcl is built with option '--enable-ansi'. At least in that case > | I did not get the error you quote. ->=20 +> > Aha; that is good to know. Thanks! Can we make the working > assumption that Axiom does not use anything beyond ANSI LISP, or > is that goal that is not attained at the moment? ->=20 +> No, it's more complicated than that. The Axiom source is not ANSI LISP compliant (yet) but GCL even in --enable-ansi mode apparently @@ -58040,141 +40857,77 @@ which still accepts the older lisp standard. It's confusing, and I admit I might well be confused by all this... So it's best to get the straight goods from Camm. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILt1-0007Mt-SH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILt0-0007ME-39 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GILsx-0007LG-7h - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GILsw-0007L6-UR - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:22 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIM2J-0002b2-7I - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:07:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 09D356ACFD; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 03DF56ACBC; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:21 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:57:20 -0400 -Thread-Topic: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Thread-Index: AcbH3dB0VVk8QwhWQ1q7CPmsXlkxkgEM/fhg From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid (was: noweb) -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:31 PM you asked: ->=20 +> > Greetings! Just going through old mail -- can we use expanded > maxpages now? ->=20 +> Yes the maxpage parameter seems to be working as promised! :) Thank you. -Regards, -Bill Page. - ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 -> > On Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:05 PM I wrote:=20 -> >=20 -> > > ...=20 +> +> > On Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:05 PM I wrote: +> > +> > > ... > > > I edited the GCLOPTS in Makefile.pamphlet from -> > > --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 +> > > --enable-maxpage=256*1024 > > > to -> > > --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 +> > > --enable-maxpage=196*1024 > > > resulting in -> > >=20 -> > > GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ -> > > --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 -> > >=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIM7r-0005Bv-QZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIM7o-0005BJ-RK - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIM7n-0005AD-B1 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIM7n-0005A5-0h - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIMH9-00049D-Ih - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:22:23 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 659466AED3; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:42 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AB28E6AE99; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" +> > > +> > > GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd \ +> > > --enable-maxpage=196*1024 +> > > + +\start Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:12:34 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB -Thread-Index: AcbG4bRvJzZZD0fhS0qlPB1GtQh2CgFMKj/Q From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: RE: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:27 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > You need this in patches.lisp.pamphlet: ->=20 -> (setq $current-directory (truename=20 +> +> (setq $current-directory (truename > (user-homedir-pathname))) ) > goes to ->=20 -> (setq $current-directory (namestring (truename=20 +> +> (setq $current-directory (namestring (truename > (user-homedir-pathname))))) > Thanks. I applied this patch to my local copy of the Axiom Silver build_improvements branch. -=20 -> ...=20 + +> ... > OK, I've made delete-file remove directories, and provide an > errno explanation on failure. In Version_2_6_8pre. ->=20 +> > Lisp has a bit of a different idea on some of these things. > probe-file, delete-file, open-file, etc. are not supposed to work > on directories, it appears, in keeping with some olden days in > which directories were not accessible as files on the fs. I'm > too busy now to try to provide another function, so I hope this > will do. ->=20 +> > I though you had problems renaming, not deleting? I have not > done anything here (yet). ->=20 +> You are right. So in addition to your change to 'gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unixfsys.c' in delete_file: @@ -58196,45 +40949,12 @@ and I added the following to rename_file: I am testing the build now. -Thanks. - -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIMP1-0003mu-FO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIMOz-0003j9-GK - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIMOy-0003hZ-KX - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIMOy-0003hP-EJ - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:28 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIMYL-0006LN-3c - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:40:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BA1DF6AF2A; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C955B6AF21; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:30:26 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] Type: Type -Thread-Index: AcbLafES3BQlmD1bRaCDKk+yP/qqxgAdW6Sw From: Bill Page -To: "axiom-dev" -Cc: Stephen Watt, aldor-l , - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] Type: Type +Cc: Stephen Watt, Gabriel Dos Reis On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:03 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: >>> At the logical level, as I have observed some time ago, there @@ -58248,9 +40968,9 @@ On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:42:04PM +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: >> of all classes. Would there be a problem in class theory? On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:52 AM Stephen Watt wrote: ->=20 +> > You are correct that there is a potential inconsistency. ->=20 +> > We avoid Russel's paradox by limiting the operations for > constructing and testing membership in type categories. > ... @@ -58309,35 +41029,11 @@ bi-simulation introduced in the theory of non-well-founded sets might provide an effective definition of equivalence for Aldor's types. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIN7h-0001N9-6p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:16:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIN7f-0001Ls-Jq - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:16:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIN7d-0001Kp-VN - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:16:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIN7d-0001Kf-0m - for list; 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Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:29:06 +0200 -To: "William Sit" -From: Martin Rubey Date: 30 Aug 2006 12:29:04 +0200 -Cc: Igor Khavkine , axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Curious behavior of Taylor series +Cc: Igor Khavkine -"William Sit" writes: +"William Sit" William Sit writes: -> "Igor Khavkine" writes: +> Igor Khavkine writes: > > >OK, but the following definitely looks like a bug. > > @@ -58504,39 +41146,14 @@ OOPs, I'm afraid that I was the only one who touched that function. Martin -(redirecting to axiom-developer, since it is a bug, not a maths-related question) - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIOHJ-00043Z-BC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:30:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIOHI-00043A-0q - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:30:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIOHG-00042W-8V - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:30:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIOHG-00042T-4F - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:30:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GIOQd-0007tH-Sv - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:20 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7UBUMGP007217 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:30:22 +0200 +(redirecting to axiom-developer, since it is a bug, not a +maths-related question) + +\start Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:35:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org >>> > f(m: INT, n: INT): PF n == m::PF(n) >> that's OK. @@ -58609,44 +41226,11 @@ z := foo(42) :: PFCartesian(k); Such a construction would work, but it does not involve a Generator or something that you must compute at compile time. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIP0R-0000bd-NQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:17:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIP0P-0000bG-Ks - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:17:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIP0O-0000az-8t - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:17:16 -0400 -Received: from [130.113.64.83] (helo=sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIP9m-00058G-NI - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:26:58 -0400 -Received: from Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA - [130.113.196.61]) - by sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id - k7UCGjaZ013536; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:17:03 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (univmail.CIS.McMaster.CA - [130.113.64.46]) - by Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7UCG0uB000358; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:16:00 -0400 -Received: from [69.193.76.85] (account carette@univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca HELO - [192.168.1.101]) - by cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) - with ESMTP-TLS id 137646881; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:16:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:14:35 -0400 -From: Jacques Carette +From: Jacques Carette To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler - <44F5781B.4000103@hemmecke.de> - Antispam-Data: 2006.8.30.43442 - __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, - __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Compile time evaluation in full @@ -58671,39 +41255,13 @@ integer arithmetic." -- S.M. Watt [where 'These kinds of errors' is now /Programs with infinite loops in types/] -Jacques - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIPl8-0005xh-9U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:05:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIPl6-0005v9-29 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:05:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIPl5-0005th-0b - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:05:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIPl4-0005tH-M1 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:05:30 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIPuT-0001Z8-Ay - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:15:13 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7UD5HSt007503; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:05:17 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 18E3A1A968; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:05:22 -0500 (CDT) -To: Jacques Carette -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler - <44F5781B.4000103@hemmecke.de> <44F5812B.1040205@mcmaster.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 30 Aug 2006 08:05:22 -0500 -Cc: aldor-l@aldor.org, list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Jacques Carette +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler -Jacques Carette writes: +Jacques Carette writes: | Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | > Compile time evaluation in full @@ -58732,32 +41290,10 @@ I agree with most of what you said. However, the slogan "well-typed programs don't go wrong" does some value that I would heisate to compromise... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIR6s-0000NO-8s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:32:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIR6p-0000LY-UZ - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:32:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIR6o-0000Kg-Fa - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:32:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIR6m-0000IW-CH; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:32:00 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GIRGB-0001pX-TY; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:41:44 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GIR6k-0001nM-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:31:58 -0400 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Camm Maguire Date: 30 Aug 2006 10:31:58 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image Greetings, and thanks! I think this should be fixed now. Please let @@ -58791,47 +41327,13 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > /home/gdr/lib/gcl-2.6.8/unixport/xgcl-2/ > > it looks like the install machinery forgot to install it. -> -> Thanks, -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRAe-0005KP-J4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:36:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRAc-0005II-EU - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:35:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRAa-0005GF-TF - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:35:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRAa-0005G7-Q5; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:35:56 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GIRK0-00026y-Bb; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:45:40 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GIRAX-0001oM-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:35:53 -0400 +Date: 30 Aug 2006 10:35:53 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 30 Aug 2006 10:35:53 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis - -Greetings! +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page writes: @@ -58895,47 +41397,13 @@ Take care, > > It seems there may be other problems. Perhaps it might be a good > idea to review the Camm's Debian patches. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRNP-0000lv-T1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:49:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRNO-0000kR-J6 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:49:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRNM-0000gO-Uv - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:49:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRNM-0000fw-RA; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:49:08 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GIRWm-0003XY-9i; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:58:52 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GIRNE-0003ZC-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:49:00 -0400 +Date: 30 Aug 2006 10:49:00 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 30 Aug 2006 10:49:00 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis - -Greetings! +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page writes: @@ -59011,42 +41479,11 @@ Take care, > > > --enable-ansi fails with: > > > > Axiom won't work in an ansi lisp yet. -> > -> > t -> > -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRp7-0003e7-1Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:17:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRp4-0003Zp-G6 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:17:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRp3-0003Wl-1X - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:17:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRp2-0003Wa-Ia; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GIRyS-00070c-KZ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:27:28 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GIRp1-00059u-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:17:43 -0400 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Camm Maguire Date: 30 Aug 2006 11:17:43 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Install problem with GCL-2.6.8pre Greetings! OK, please try it now, think this is done too. @@ -59091,41 +41528,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > package like Axiom) may not have write permission to that directory. > Any particular reason why the elisp files are not installed in > $(prefix)/share/emacs for example? -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRso-0006lW-D7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRsm-0006iY-Ia - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIRsk-0006h5-US - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIRsk-0006gy-RU - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:34 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIS2A-0007Pa-5G - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:31:19 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GIRsc-0005AT-00; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:21:26 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 30 Aug 2006 11:21:26 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB Greetings! @@ -59273,68 +41680,29 @@ Take care, > I am testing the build now. > > Thanks. -> -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITTW-0002Eq-J9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITTU-0002Da-LH - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITTP-00026s-EX - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GITTO-00026R-SB - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GITcp-0000a1-Gz - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:13:15 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9DEDE65A28; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D63A865898; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:03:25 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB -Thread-Index: AcbG4bRvJzZZD0fhS0qlPB1GtQh2CgFMKj/QAAwyBCA= From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: axiom-dev , gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:13 AM I wrote: > Camm Maguire wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > I though you had problems renaming, not deleting? I have > > not done anything here (yet). -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > You are right. So in addition to your change to > 'gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unixfsys.c' in delete_file: ->=20 +> > if (unlink(filename) < 0 && rmdir(filename) < 0) > FEerror("Cannot delete the file ~S: ~s.", 2, > path, make_simple_string(strerror(errno))); ->=20 +> > and I added the following to rename_file: ->=20 +> > #ifdef HAVE_RENAME > /* Make sure we can rename */ > if (unlink(newfilename) < 0) rmdir(newfilename); @@ -59346,7 +41714,7 @@ On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:13 AM I wrote: > system(command); > #endif > ... ->=20 +> > I am testing the build now. > @@ -59468,46 +41836,11 @@ at least): Any comments? Does anyone see how to do this a better way? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITjp-0001Pa-Uv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:20:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITjo-0001PU-7x - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:20:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GITjm-0001PM-Ts - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:20:26 -0400 -Received: from [130.113.64.83] (helo=sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GITtE-0002wE-9U - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:30:12 -0400 -Received: from Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA - [130.113.196.61]) - by sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id - k7UHK1sm007117; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) -Received: from cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (univmail.CIS.McMaster.CA - [130.113.64.46]) - by Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7UHJ7ov013364; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:19:08 -0400 -Received: from [130.113.68.27] (account carette@univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca - [130.113.68.27] verified) - by cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) - with ESMTP id 137702466; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:19:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:17:37 -0400 -From: Jacques Carette +From: Jacques Carette To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler - <44F5812B.1040205@mcmaster.ca> <87ac5m4bn1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - Antispam-Data: 2006.8.30.93442 - __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, - __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, - __USER_AGENT 0' -Cc: aldor-l@aldor.org, list Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > I agree with most of what you said. However, the slogan "well-typed @@ -59525,45 +41858,11 @@ are term - type - kind - sort). A "well-kinded" type doesn't "go wrong" either [assuming termination]. -Jacques - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIToh-0003sN-Jn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:25:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITof-0003q1-I9 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:25:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GITod-0003pG-Vb - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:25:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GITod-0003pD-RS - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:25:27 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GITy5-0003Ph-0O - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:35:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF181243; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:25:26 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8851B7C; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:25:25 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458A482B8D; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:25:25 -0500 (CDT) +\start Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:25:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Jacques Carette +To: Jacques Carette Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler - <44F5781B.4000103@hemmecke.de> - <44F5812B.1040205@mcmaster.ca> <87ac5m4bn1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <44F5C831.3070106@mcmaster.ca> -Cc: aldor-l@aldor.org, list On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Jacques Carette wrote: @@ -59580,43 +41879,12 @@ No dispute there. With Type:Type, it is not clear to me that when a well-typed expression does not diverge, its value is not "wrong". --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIVMI-0004tv-Cs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:04:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIVMG-0004tj-Gn - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:04:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIVMF-0004tW-7V - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:04:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIVMF-0004tS-0y - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:04:15 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIVVh-0005Jh-5C - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:14:01 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644BC2873; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:04:13 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07A52872; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:04:11 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F9A82B8D; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:04:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:04:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler -Cc: list, Jacques Carette , - aldor-l@aldor.org +Cc: Jacques Carette On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Page, Bill wrote: @@ -59625,48 +41893,17 @@ On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Page, Bill wrote: I hope we would make progress with scientific skepticism :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIWKo-0000X1-Or - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIWKn-0000Wp-NQ - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIWKm-0000WP-VJ - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIWKm-0000WF-MA - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:48 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIWUF-0002U3-Bo - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:16:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8B7A6682A2; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6E8E76827C; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:46 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:06:45 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image -Thread-Index: AcbMQaEAAynsGyQJTpyrcUufKqCj5gALKKgg From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: GCL-2.6.8pre unable to make new image +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:36 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I believe the first problem you will encounter with the ansi > image is that ansi triggers an error if an (in-package ...) is > encountered before the corresponding (make-package ...), whereas @@ -59679,11 +41916,11 @@ On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:36 AM you wrote: Yes, I think you are correct. However the log does not show any prior error message. ->=20 +> > Do you want to use the ansi image? GCL has kept the older one > around specifically for reasons like this. Unless you are using > oop, all you get is extra unused image size. ->=20 +> Yes, I still think it is a good idea to make Axiom build under the ansi version of gcl in spite of the fact that in it's @@ -59698,40 +41935,12 @@ dying of ansi fever. Perhaps this confirms that there is not much to be done to make the Axiom sources at least as gcl-ansi compliant as Maxima. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXWP-0002wW-KZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXWO-0002vR-Fs - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXWL-0002pS-O6 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIXWL-0002pP-Ip - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:49 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.72] (helo=web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIXfp-0001J6-75 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:32:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 23946 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2006 21:22:48 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=RySvt60GLIUolRCHIRa4UJxPQAHOFPa49j8UHdhQdvggtvW0VUL/+RHf0Xqib4JHN2m5Pm5GB6yXC0kbgX5ulEJvbfkeajJe7Qlr8tiH5LQe5dP461xBDF5FUbXPH/00bu1W7JM//kRFobFKWihQavebTRdoGV4oqP6OzMA9evI= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:22:48 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: ANSI and Axiom +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Given the Axiom CMU port that was done, I think we can probably do this in a reasonable amount of time as long as we just patch it enough to @@ -59755,57 +41964,21 @@ quite doable. Should we draw the line in the sand and focus on that? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXn6-0004K1-Sc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXn4-0004IE-O4 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXn2-0004HL-Hj - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIXn2-0004HE-Al - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIXwW-0002cA-0N - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:49:52 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7595B68487; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2E37A6847B; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:01 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:00 -0400 -Thread-Topic: ANSI and Axiom -Thread-Index: AcbMenvNYoKqkg5xSm6YDPx9mf+eOgAADeSw From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: ANSI and Axiom +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:23 PM C Y wrote: > ... > As appealing as a from the ground up re-write is, I think a > gradual re-factor is more realistic and a lot less up front work, > for some significant gains. -> ...=20 -> Should we draw the line in the sand and focus on that? =20 ->=20 +> ... +> Should we draw the line in the sand and focus on that? +> Absolutely! Here's a recipe: @@ -59815,7 +41988,7 @@ https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvements \ 2) edit Makefile.pamphlet in three places - GCLOPTS =3D --enable-ansi ...=20 + GCLOPTS = --enable-ansi ... 3) modify any in-package commands that don't comply or anything else obvious @@ -59833,35 +42006,11 @@ https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvements \ 9) send the result to Gaby :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXyP-0005yB-8W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXyN-0005wy-Ag - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIXyL-0005vz-I2 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIXyL-0005vw-A4 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:45 -0400 -Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIY7p-0004Ao-0c - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:01:33 -0400 -Received: from [162.84.139.22] (account ) - by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) - with HTTP id 8259658; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:42 -0400 -From: "William Sit" -Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:42 -0400 -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +From: William Sit +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:35:55 +0200 Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -60017,38 +42166,11 @@ The construction of the domain PFcartesian(k) might, even when k is given at instantiation time, depending on the meaning of that domain. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIZ2G-00067T-7u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:59:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIZ2E-00063z-7c - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:59:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIZ2D-00062L-13 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:59:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIZ2C-00062E-UE - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:59:48 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GIZBh-0002s1-4t - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:09:37 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7UMxdGP001946 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:59:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:05:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: spad: language and compiler -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org Dear William, @@ -60170,55 +42292,24 @@ into valid Aldor code if f is the function given by Martin. Can you? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIbed-0005HH-6n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIbeb-0005Gi-DZ - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIbeY-0005FN-K3 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIbeY-0005F7-AB - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIbo4-00053k-8P - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:57:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 359D868635; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 431E36863A; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:32 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:47:30 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB -Thread-Index: AcbG4bRvJzZZD0fhS0qlPB1GtQh2CgFMKj/QAAwyBCAAFl0l4A== From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: RE: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB Camm, On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:03 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Anyway it seems the following patch replacing (probe-file filearg) > with (directory (truename filearg)) should work (for Axiom's > purposes at least): ->=20 +> > In src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet: > > ---------- ->=20 +> > ;; ($ERASE filearg) -> 0 if succeeds else 1 > (defun $erase (&rest filearg) > (setq filearg (make-full-namestring filearg)) @@ -60230,9 +42321,9 @@ On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:03 PM I wrote: > (delete-directory filearg) > (delete-file filearg)) > 1)) ->=20 +> > ---------- ->=20 +> > Any comments? Does anyone see how to do this a better way? I have compiled and tested Axiom Silver build.improvements branch @@ -60240,15 +42331,15 @@ with the new version of gcl-2.6.8pre, the above change as well as the patch suggested by Camm: > On Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:27 PM -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > You need this in patches.lisp.pamphlet: -> >=20 -> > - (setq $current-directory (truename=20 +> > +> > - (setq $current-directory (truename > > - (user-homedir-pathname))) ) > > > > goes to -> >=20 -> > + (setq $current-directory (namestring (truename=20 +> > +> > + (setq $current-directory (namestring (truename > > + (user-homedir-pathname))))) > > @@ -60263,54 +42354,22 @@ However I remain a little uncertain if 'directory' is really the proper way to check for the existence of a file or directory in common lisp? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GId74-0003cN-Hl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GId72-0003ao-Rt - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GId70-0003a9-EW - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GId70-0003a6-74 - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:02 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIdGX-0005VM-7I - for list; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:30:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 360D268727; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:01 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8204D66D45; - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:20:54 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler -Thread-Index: AcbMiAufgHIhapTfSXmPXr02xeVPtwAA50KA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:05 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > As you know Record and Cross are two ways in Aldor to construct -> heterogeneous tuples. The problem is that both must have a=20 +> heterogeneous tuples. The problem is that both must have a > certain fixed length when you write them into your program. > ... What does "fixed" mean in this context? -> Martin's line contained a "for n in primes(1,100)" iterator,=20 +> Martin's line contained a "for n in primes(1,100)" iterator, > so the type would only be known if the compiler were able to > evaluate "primes(1,100)" at compile time. @@ -60319,7 +42378,7 @@ Aldor types that are determined at compile-time, it seems clear that it should be no problem to define a constant such as - P:List Integer =3D=3D primes(1,100); + P:List Integer == primes(1,100); In fact, 'primes(1,100)' is a constant expression. As we discovered, although P is a constant it's actual *value* is @@ -60351,13 +42410,13 @@ i.e. a List over a type union. This would be a more general type than the cross product, but equally valid from a conceptual point of view. -> ...=20 +> ... > >> I cannot believe that a construction like -> >>=20 +> >> > >> [f(100, n) for n in [2,3,5]$List(Integer)] -> >>=20 +> >> > >> would work. -> >=20 +> > > > The main reason why it is not working presently is because > > we have not constructed cartesian product over an arbitrary > > set of domains. But nothing in the language (even Spad) @@ -60373,7 +42432,7 @@ The situation in Aldor might be different but I do not understand in sufficient detail the actual FOAM that Aldor generates. ->=20 +> > Of course not, but note that you have a generator in the > above construction and thus the compiler does not know the > length of the tuple until it is *computed*. @@ -60382,8 +42441,8 @@ Although the length is not known at compile-time, nontheless it is fixed at run-time initialization. That is not an unusual sitation in Aldor. ->=20 -> Oh, yes, of course it is possible (even now) to construct a=20 +> +> Oh, yes, of course it is possible (even now) to construct a > heterogeneous tuple type via Generator. Really? @@ -60391,11 +42450,11 @@ Really? > But Martin's construction would mean to construct the type > AND the element at the same time. And that (I believe) is > impossible. -> ...=20 +> ... > But I still cannot make ->=20 +> > [f(100, n) for n in [2,3,5]$List(Integer)] ->=20 +> > into valid Aldor code if f is the function given by Martin. > @@ -60406,8 +42465,8 @@ http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/sjt/Atypical/AldorExs/vector.as Something like ... ? -PFCartesian(k: Integer): Type=20 - =3D=3D if k<=3D1 then PF(1) else = +PFCartesian(k: Integer): Type + == if k<=1 then PF(1) else = Record(fst:PF(k),rst:PFCartesian(k-1)); See also section 23.8 "Recursive Strurctures" page 324 of the @@ -60417,39 +42476,11 @@ www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~bj/paraldor/WWW/docs/documentation/axlugII.pdf I hope to have more time some to work with these examples. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIi26-0001is-4m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:36:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIi25-0001h1-1s - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:36:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIi22-0001bY-8X - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:36:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIi21-0001aq-QZ - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:36:13 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GIiBb-0008Ha-JZ - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:46:07 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7V8a1GP016454 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:36:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:41:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org On 08/31/2006 05:20 AM, Page, Bill wrote: > On Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:05 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -60604,38 +42635,11 @@ definition is that at the same time of constructing the tree you get a function that generates all (labelled) trees of a given size and a function that counts trees of a given size (the generating function). -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIjW9-0001HO-R9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:11:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIjW7-0001Di-KE - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:11:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIjW6-0001Ci-TE - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:11:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIjW6-0001Cb-Nl - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:11:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GIjfh-0002Kw-JY - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:21:17 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k7VABDGP018854 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:11:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:16:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] spad: language and compiler -Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org > Probably what we need is some kind of recursive type constructor. > See for example: @@ -60669,39 +42673,9 @@ In aldor-combinat you would define that thing like in the BinaryTree example I gave before but just use the equation V = 1 + X * V. And, by the way, I did not use "pretend" in my code. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIqab-0008Hu-HF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIqaZ-0008HV-Gx - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIqaX-0008FE-TN - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIqaX-0008Es-Mo - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:25 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIqkD-0007oH-2z - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:54:25 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7VHiCB9028514 - for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 2986 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2006 17:44:07 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Aug 2006 17:44:07 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7VHZl620596; - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:35:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:35:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Google Books Partner Program @@ -60709,37 +42683,10 @@ Axiom is now a Google partner program member. The Axiom Tutorial should soon be available as a free book download from Google. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIul5-0006u4-AE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:11:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIul3-0006sb-0v - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:11:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIul1-0006rn-FD - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:11:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIul1-0006re-AK - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:11:31 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.40] (helo=vms040pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIuuj-0006k0-C1 - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:21:33 -0400 -Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.84.139.22]) - by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4V00GYPUYM6U13@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:11:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:11:09 -0400 -From: William Sit -To: Bill Page, list -Message-id: <44F75E7D.90F51724@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: +From: William Sit +To: Bill Page Subject: obsolete pages and portal download Dear Bill: @@ -60772,40 +42719,13 @@ which is: http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/Plone/wiki/AxiomWiki, is Just a random comment from random browsing. Your work on the site is always appreciated. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwQo-0001jh-2H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:58:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwQl-0001jC-T6 - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:58:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwQh-0001hd-9X - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:58:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIwQh-0001ha-2y - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:58:39 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIwaP-0007do-Ud - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:08:42 -0400 -Received: from smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr (mwinf1921 [172.22.129.121]) - by mwinf1910.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 909431C096D8 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:54:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from ALille-251-1-58-26.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-58-26.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.249.26]) - by mwinf1921.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1317F1C00094; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:54:20 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: --patch-50 -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:53:57 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: --patch-50 -Le mardi 29 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 11:15 -0400, root a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 29 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 11:15 -0400, root a =E9crit : > Patch 50 is up in arch. Bad news... As I said previously axiom patch 50 does not compile under @@ -60823,130 +42743,35 @@ gcc: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a: Aucun fichier ou r=E9pertoire de ce type ------------------------------------------------------------------------ where "Aucun fichier ou r=E9pertoire de ce type" means "not such file or -directory".=20 +directory". In Debian (testing/unstable) libXpm.a is in /usr/lib/ so the variable -XLIB is wrong (XLIB=3D/usr/X11R6/lib). Modifying the XLIB variable +XLIB is wrong (XLIB=/usr/X11R6/lib). Modifying the XLIB variable corrects the problem (or eventually linking against the shared library). -Greg - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwX3-0006qi-MC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:05:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwX1-0006qV-QG - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:05:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwX0-0006qJ-2w - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:05:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIwWz-0006qG-TY - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIwgg-00089d-94 - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:15:13 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8104mNt030303 - for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:04:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26928 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 00:04:48 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 00:04:48 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k7VNuUH20718; - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:56:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:56:30 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:53:57 +0200) Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list try changing the AXIOM variable to: export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/fedora5 -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwpi-0002FD-6B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:24:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwpg-0002F8-AR - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:24:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIwpe-0002Dy-OB - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:24:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIwpe-0002Dn-Lx - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:24:26 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIwzN-0000yl-WE - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:34:30 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k810OMZL016599 - for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:24:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12969 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 00:24:22 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 00:24:22 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k810G4I20730; - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:16:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:16:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:53:57 +0200) Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list does it compile in debian stable? i'll try to build a debian machine here. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxMd-0003zX-Qr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:58:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxMb-0003zI-Gn - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:58:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxMY-0003yI-N2 - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:58:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIxMY-0003yF-IV - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:58:26 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIxWI-0003RI-1v - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:08:30 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-58-26.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-58-26.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.249.26]) - by mwinf1903.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 475C41C0008E; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 02:58:12 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:57:44 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Subject: aldor for axiom link in the page Hello Bill, @@ -60958,39 +42783,11 @@ a password that I do not have (even if I give a reason). I'm sure you can add that :) -Greg - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxS9-00057W-OF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:04:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxS8-000577-7l - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:04:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxS4-00055d-GK - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:04:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIxS4-00055T-Ag - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:04:08 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.18] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIxbn-0003hJ-Rr - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:14:12 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-58-26.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-58-26.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.249.26]) - by mwinf1917.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9EC1B1C00088; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 03:03:52 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: --patch-50 +Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:03:12 +0200 From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Tim Daly - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> -Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:03:12 +0200 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: --patch-50 Le jeudi 31 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 20:16 -0400, root a =E9crit : > does it compile in debian stable? @@ -60999,50 +42796,11 @@ Le jeudi 31 ao=FBt 2006 =E0 20:16 -0400, root a =E9crit : I don't know. I have modified the XLIB variable (Debian testing) in Makefile.pamphlet. Debian stable uses X11R6/lib directory I believe. -Greg - -> t ->=20 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxcH-0004Rh-K5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:14:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxcG-0004Qn-EQ - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:14:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIxcC-0004N9-Bj - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:14:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIxcC-0004N2-9b - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:14:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIxlu-0004di-4G - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:24:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k811EKx6013867 - for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:14:24 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16072 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 01:14:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 01:14:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8115wo20755; - Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:05:58 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:05:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:03:12 +0200) Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list > > does it compile in debian stable? > > i'll try to build a debian machine here. @@ -61055,37 +42813,10 @@ You get this stanza with export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/fedora5 - -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIzfo-0002BN-Vq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIzfo-0002BI-1C - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIzfl-0002A1-OY - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIzfl-00029v-LU - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:25 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GIzpW-0008Es-EK - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:36:30 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k813PFnu006734; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:25:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:24:49 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: RE: aldor for axiom link in the page Greg, @@ -61109,39 +42840,10 @@ I have added the text you wanted and I have also changed the links to the new format so if you wish you can now edit it without a password. -Thanks! :) - -Bill. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIzuR-0000YM-8R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:41:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIzuP-0000XQ-M8 - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:41:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GIzuM-0000Vj-KI - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:41:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIzuM-0000Vg-F3 - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:41:30 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ047-00019M-AE - for list; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:51:35 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k813eS9f008485; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:41:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:40:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: RE: obsolete pages and portal download On August 31, 2006 6:11 PM William Sit wrote: @@ -61216,8 +42918,6 @@ to who ever is motivated. :-) If you don't have time, I will try to get to updating the portal pages asap. -Regards, -Bill Page. diff --git a/book/2006-09.txt b/book/2006-09.txt index 58666aa..44c104b 100644 --- a/book/2006-09.txt +++ b/book/2006-09.txt @@ -1,30 +1,7 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ2UQ-0004Ic-Ct - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:26:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ2UP-0004IX-2m - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:26:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ2UL-0004FR-Qz - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:26:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ2UL-0004FO-Kw - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:26:49 -0400 -Received: from [206.46.252.40] (helo=vms040pub.verizon.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ2e8-00067x-6W - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:36:56 -0400 -Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.84.139.22]) - by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 - (built Sep - 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4W00JM9HWLC3V5@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for - list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:26:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:26:45 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Bill Page -Message-id: <44F7D2A5.44FB7F72@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: obsolete pages and portal download Bill Page wrote: @@ -102,46 +79,11 @@ I will do what I can, once I learn what the purpose of the portal is. But if editing involves more, like programming in zope or plone, then I'm afraid I am not the right person. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ32t-0008OZ-Hv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:02:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ32r-0008OT-Vw - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:02:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ32q-0008Lz-GO - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:02:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ32q-0008Lm-Cp - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:02:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ3Cd-0000m2-DW - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:12:35 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8172C6J030401 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 03:02:16 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25419 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 07:02:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 07:02:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k816rvS21938; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 02:53:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 02:53:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:03:12 +0200) Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list I've built a debian box. The default setup does not include latex or x11 support. @@ -156,42 +98,13 @@ and the command line reads: The build is in process. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ6yu-0000FL-Nl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:14:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ6yq-0000BM-1c - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:14:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ6ym-00008R-A3 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:14:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ6yl-00008H-Km - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:14:31 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ78b-0007tD-4R - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:24:41 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-12.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.12]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81BESSt021298; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:14:28 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 836061A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:14:37 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:14:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> - <200609010653.k816rvS21938@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 06:14:37 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | I've built a debian box. | The default setup does not include latex or x11 support. @@ -200,48 +113,11 @@ Most of the compile farm (non-linus) hosts offered by SF display similar setting: either they don't have latex or they don't have svn. I eventually gave up using them as testing platforms. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ8wX-000436-M6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:20:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ8wW-00042u-7m - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:20:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ8wU-00042L-Nm - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:20:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ8wU-00042I-J3 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:20:18 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ96L-0001lK-Cj - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:30:29 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81DJwWh006905 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:20:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29480 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 13:19:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 13:19:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81DBiv22438; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:11:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:11:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on 01 Sep 2006 06:14:37 -0500) Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> - <200609010653.k816rvS21938@localhost.localdomain> - <87veo7rg82.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | I've built a debian box. > | The default setup does not include latex or x11 support. @@ -252,48 +128,11 @@ Cc: list isn't that the point of configure? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9Bk-0006VN-VW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:36:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9Bi-0006Qr-IL - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:36:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9Bh-0006PS-Qn - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:36:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9Bh-0006PG-Kr - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:36:01 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ9LY-0003rg-HW - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:46:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092B92CBC; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:36:00 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6072A2CBA; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:35:59 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA0782B98; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:35:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:35:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> - <200609010653.k816rvS21938@localhost.localdomain> - <87veo7rg82.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <200609011311.k81DBiv22438@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -310,50 +149,11 @@ Axiom requires latex for build. If the environment does not have latex, I cannot build Axiom, therefore I cannot test it on that platform. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9gB-0005lG-S4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9gA-0005kz-A4 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9g8-0005je-UC - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9g8-0005jb-O5 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ9pu-0007kH-Vc - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:17:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81E7CD0011838 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:07:12 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32351 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 14:07:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 14:07:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81Dx1122477; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:59:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:59:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:35:59 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> - <200609010653.k816rvS21938@localhost.localdomain> - <87veo7rg82.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <200609011311.k81DBiv22438@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | > | I've built a debian box. > | > | The default setup does not include latex or x11 support. @@ -382,36 +182,10 @@ can't configure on debian output messages like: there are a limited number of missing packages. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9gP-0005p9-3n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9gN-0005p1-8M - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9gK-0005oZ-I0 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9gK-0005oW-CU - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:07:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ9qB-0007le-D9 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:17:51 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81E7aGP022232 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:07:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:13:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Silver build-improvements: stamp-gcldir I realised that @@ -430,36 +204,11 @@ clean: @echo 17 cleaning ${LSP}/ccl @( cd ccl ; ${ENV} ${MAKE} clean ) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9mL-0008JL-RR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:13:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9mK-0008HF-2w - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:13:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9mF-0008Cb-8R - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:13:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9mF-0008C8-15 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:13:47 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJ9w6-0008L6-AM - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:58 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k81EDOo6011658; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:13:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: --patch-50 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:13:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: --patch-50 On September 1, 2006 9:36 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -497,53 +246,11 @@ systems (miktex being perhap the most common free version). Anyway, I do not see why the Axiom build should be designed to require latex. The only really essential tool here is noweb. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9rH-0003CZ-Tl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:18:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9rG-0003Br-5t - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:18:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9rE-0003Be-FX - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:18:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9rE-0003Bb-Ac - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:18:56 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJA15-0000Sq-Ny - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:29:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E70234C; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:18:55 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD94924AB; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:18:54 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EBE82B98; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:18:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:18:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <1157068437.2818.3.camel@ellipse> - <200609010016.k810G4I20730@localhost.localdomain> - <1157072592.20155.15.camel@ellipse> - <200609010653.k816rvS21938@localhost.localdomain> - <87veo7rg82.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <200609011311.k81DBiv22438@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609011359.k81Dx1122477@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -579,42 +286,11 @@ hosts at the moment because basic Axiom requirements are nto met. I don't think I want to fix the problems on the SF machines... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9vJ-0004Uj-8J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9vH-0004UQ-FP - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9vF-0004TA-6a - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9vF-0004T7-2X - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:05 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJA56-0000qU-Ga - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:33:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F031EA2; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:23:04 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF561939; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:23:02 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FFF82B98; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:23:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:23:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: --patch-50 -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: @@ -643,36 +319,10 @@ the sane machines I have access to. If there are problems somewhere, I'm very willing to fix them, but I decline to fix the build environments. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9wC-0004x8-GM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:24:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9wA-0004uF-Fd - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:24:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJ9w9-0004tb-Ml - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:24:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJ9w9-0004tY-FR - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:24:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJA60-0000uG-Jq - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:34:12 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81ENwGP022600 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:23:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:29:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: patch-50 successfully compiled on debian sarge Hello, @@ -693,36 +343,11 @@ I am somehow missing a "distclean" target. Or is the current "clean" target producing a directory content as it would be after a fresh checkout? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJA2o-0000ca-CA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:30:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJA2m-0000cP-JM - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:30:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJA2k-0000c6-UX - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:30:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJA2k-0000c3-RI - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:30:50 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJACc-0001b6-4v - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:41:02 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81EUkSt028208; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:30:47 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 1436B1A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:30:58 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:30:57 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: stamp-gcldir -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 09:30:57 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -747,38 +372,11 @@ things to do so I had little times for Axiom. Sorry for that. that is from mainline/golden Axiom, and the rules are very tricky. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAAD-0004zA-0R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:38:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAAB-0004yt-IC - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:38:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAAA-0004yg-ML - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:38:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAAA-0004yd-F9 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:38:30 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAK1-0002Pe-Rq - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:48:42 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81EcRSt028554; 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1 Sep 2006 14:46:48 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81Eca422529; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:38:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:38:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on 01 Sep 2006 09:38:38 -0500) Subject: Re: patch-50 successfully compiled on debian sarge -Cc: list > Axiom golden and sylver don't support non-in-source > build (which is is a realy bummer) @@ -1142,36 +683,11 @@ mnt is the ship system and should be the only thing needed to run if you want the other directories to show up elsewhere just use a symbolic link. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJALa-0001Va-AT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:50:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJALZ-0001UB-71 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:50:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJALX-0001SR-KV - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:50:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJALX-0001SO-Ii - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:50:15 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAVP-0003gJ-2t - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:00:27 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k81EnrM8002147; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:50:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: --patch-50 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:49:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: --patch-50 Gaby, @@ -1208,46 +724,11 @@ Goood plan. I think "fix" is too strong a word for the SF compile farm since these machines serve many different purposes. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAO8-0004Tf-WB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:52:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAO7-0004Qn-PM - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:52:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAO7-0004PW-20 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:52:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAO6-0004PI-Ty - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:52:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAXv-00047g-3S - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:03:06 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81EqU7x004739 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:52:35 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15991 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 14:52:32 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 1 Sep 2006 14:52:32 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81EiL622543; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:44:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:44:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:29:47 +0200) Subject: Re: patch-50 successfully compiled on debian sarge -Cc: list > I just want to tell you that getting a fresh copy of patch-50 compiled > fine on my Debian Sarge box. @@ -1289,46 +770,11 @@ This should reset the system back to its initial state. I'll clean up the Makefile.pamphlets to reflect this. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAQH-0006Uk-QA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:55:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAQF-0006SQ-Mo - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:55:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAQE-0006QE-4L - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:55:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAQD-0006Pn-Mo - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:55:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAa5-0004Iu-9I - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:05:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81EsriA017879 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:54:53 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10611 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 14:54:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 1 Sep 2006 14:54:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81Ekhc22549; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:46:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:46:43 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:47:35 +0200) -Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not - compile -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not compile > cmpinclude.h: No such file or directory > In file included from @@ -1341,35 +787,10 @@ apparently the compile-file lisp call cannot find this include file. did you build GCL or are you trying to use a pre-installed copy? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAWd-000274-0S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:01:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAWb-00026y-QG - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:01:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAWZ-00026d-9V - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:01:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAWZ-00026Y-00 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:01:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAgQ-0004mn-IU - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:11:50 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k81F1Iag029491; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:01:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:01:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: RE: obsolete pages and portal download William, @@ -1418,46 +839,12 @@ http://page.axiom-developer.org Thanks for your suggestions. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAXh-0002SF-N0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:02:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAXg-0002SA-7O - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:02:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAXf-0002RK-EF - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:02:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAXf-0002RB-68 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:02:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAhW-0004r9-Qz - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:12:58 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81F2Vkq022482 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:02:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27943 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 15:02:34 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 1 Sep 2006 15:02:34 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81EsLt22561; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:54:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:54:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch-50 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > > | Anyway, I do not see why the Axiom build should be designed to > > | require latex. The only really essential tool here is noweb. @@ -1501,39 +888,13 @@ i can see from his post that Linus is a 'primitivist' like myself :-) latex does not need to be globally installed. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAZ3-0002qO-FT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:04:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAZ2-0002qC-Dz - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:04:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAZ1-0002q0-SX - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:04:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAZ1-0002px-QU - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:04:11 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAit-0004wt-Ca - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:14:23 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81F4ASt029596; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:04:10 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 6D57B1A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:04:21 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:04:21 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: patch-50 successfully compiled on debian sarge - <200609011438.k81Eca422529@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:04:21 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Axiom golden and sylver don't support non-in-source | > build (which is is a realy bummer) @@ -1603,37 +964,11 @@ equivalent to the lndir trick I documented. Axiom would gain lot by not building a ghetto around itself. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAhm-0006q6-5j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAhk-0006nI-E0 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAhj-0006l1-9d - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAhj-0006kn-2G - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:11 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAra-00062m-S2 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:23:23 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81FD8St000091; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:13:08 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 7E5281A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:13:19 -0500 (CDT) -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not - compile -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:13:19 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not compile Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -1665,40 +1000,11 @@ I should probably make that default -- but it kinds of negates the whole purpose of the patch. If I don't have time to fix the GCL issue today, I'll make --without-gcl the default. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAiE-0007bK-9A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAiC-0007YR-Pz - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAi9-0007Ru-NK - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAi9-0007Ri-Hf - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:13:37 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJAs0-00065k-PI - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:23:49 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81FDVGP025052 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:13:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:19:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not - compile - <200609011446.k81Ekhc22549@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not compile On 09/01/2006 04:46 PM, root wrote: >> cmpinclude.h: No such file or directory @@ -1738,38 +1044,13 @@ configure:3046: found /usr/bin/gcl And this is 2.6.6. Hmmmm.... -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAql-0003vI-Q9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:22:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAqj-0003uG-Dn - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:22:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAqf-0003r6-Gd - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:22:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAqf-0003qu-53 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:22:25 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJB0W-00072z-Ph - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:32:37 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81FMNSt000548; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:22:23 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 226F41A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:22:35 -0500 (CDT) -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: --patch-50 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:22:35 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: --patch-50 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -1815,39 +1096,13 @@ Axiom requirements are excellent in the abstract. Its approach to the real software world makes it a good candidate for the contest of most frustrating open source software to contribute to. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAuP-0005dE-So - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:26:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAuO-0005cJ-Oh - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:26:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAuN-0005a4-Aj - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:26:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAuN-0005a0-3d - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:26:15 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJB4E-0007RA-Tr - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:36:27 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81FQDSt000753; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:26:13 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id B688E1A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:26:24 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:26:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <200609011454.k81EsLt22561@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:26:24 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -1885,46 +1140,11 @@ of trapping people :-) that is beside the point. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAvM-0006Z4-OD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:27:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAvK-0006Wb-3z - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:27:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAvI-0006Ut-Fy - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:27:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAvI-0006Un-4M - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:27:12 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJB5A-0007Yz-4g - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:37:24 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81FQLYJ014223 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:26:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20206 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 15:26:18 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 15:26:18 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81FI6g22591; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:18:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:18:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:19:19 +0200) -Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not - compile - <200609011446.k81Ekhc22549@localhost.localdomain> - <44F84F77.7000106@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not compile > How do I find out whether Axiom has built gcl or not? > At least the config.log says @@ -1943,40 +1163,13 @@ gcl-2.6.6.tgz Axiom will certainly not build on a pre-installed GCL version 2.6.6 -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAwo-0007Xu-LG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:28:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAwn-0007XK-3g - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:28:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJAwl-0007WB-Ko - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:28:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJAwk-0007W2-Vf - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:28:43 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJB6c-0007it-Pt - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:38:55 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81FSaSt000938; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:28:36 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 01F501A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:28:47 -0500 (CDT) -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not - compile - <200609011446.k81Ekhc22549@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:28:47 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not compile -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > cmpinclude.h: No such file or directory | > In file included from @@ -1995,39 +1188,11 @@ Yes, the include file is however installed in *system-directory*/h. this error happens only if you use pre-installed copy of GCL. We must support that. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJB3w-0004IL-4w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:36:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJB3t-0004IE-N0 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:36:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJB3r-0004Hy-Om - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:36:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJB3r-0004Hv-Lw - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:36:03 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJBDj-0008Jz-LM - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:46:15 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81FZwSt001366; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:35:58 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id DF0621A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:36:09 -0500 (CDT) -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not - compile - <200609011446.k81Ekhc22549@localhost.localdomain> - <44F84F77.7000106@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Sep 2006 10:36:09 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements branch does not compile Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -2072,37 +1237,10 @@ Say to force Axiom to build its own copy of GCL. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJBAz-0006nK-Kt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:43:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJBAx-0006mu-BQ - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:43:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJBAw-0006mG-C9 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:43:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBAw-0006mD-86 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:43:22 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.67] (helo=web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJBKo-0000Wl-B9 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:53:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5763 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2006 15:43:20 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=kivdRx5lbGCHOv1tlGjA0J5HcJCI+vwu8hcibylZ/rI9e8M3QDEhNrZDNN2ETRyHxF2KTtfLTrhVIwg6F8yfWYH7wV0Ro9P/9VeCjkJUgEhZSHQaZB4gC4vdQqdOl/EefRrI9t1m9hgHytiuDWGYY9ZE1MHe00bvWBA4zpOadoM= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:43:20 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Requiring LaTeX --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -2146,44 +1284,11 @@ would support giving the user the choice to disable it because there are circumstances (the SF compile farm being a good example) where there is a valid reason not to use it. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJBMO-0006hz-JN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:55:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJBMM-0006g0-Vc - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:55:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJBMK-0006dJ-S5 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:55:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJBMK-0006cx-In - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:55:08 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJBWC-0001tp-M4 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:05:20 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k81Fsh8D011348; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:55:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: --patch-50 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:54:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list - -Gaby, +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: --patch-50 On September 1, 2006 11:23 AM you wrote: > ... @@ -2231,39 +1336,10 @@ the requirement for latex). I agree. How can we fix that? -Regards, -Bill page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJCyw-0000pe-I5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:39:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJCyu-0000nV-OR - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:39:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJCyr-0000lD-Q4 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:39:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJCyr-0000l8-M7 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:39:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJD8k-00058l-Qs - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:49:15 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81HcxGP029883 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:38:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:44:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc The compilation of the build-improvements succeeded with @@ -2291,36 +1367,11 @@ build-improvements. The file could be found here. ./mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/bitmaps/axiom1.bitmap -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJD87-0003vL-Sc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:48:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJD86-0003vG-OR - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:48:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJD85-0003v4-7F - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:48:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJD85-0003v1-1z - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:48:33 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJDHy-000680-6k - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:58:46 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81HmTSt009142; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:48:29 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 1FA241A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:48:41 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:48:41 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 12:48:41 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -2355,43 +1406,12 @@ tracker, but for a different Axiom flavour (not build-improvements). Thanks, --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDea-0008Ds-Ny - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDeY-0008AV-4P - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDeX-0008AJ-Kx - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJDeX-0008AG-EK - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJDoR-0000Kk-3i - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:32:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81ILeCl006608 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:21:44 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7296 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 18:21:36 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 1 Sep 2006 18:21:36 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81IDE222651; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:13:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:13:14 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Fri, 1 Sep 2006 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT)) -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Requiring LaTeX +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > I understand the desire to make literate programming part of the > process and I agree with that goal, but in cases like the sourceforge @@ -2508,90 +1528,21 @@ at least while working on Axiom code. The future demands it. \end{rant} -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDf7-0008PD-N4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDf5-0008Ou-Eh - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDf3-0008Oi-Gh - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJDf3-0008Of-DQ - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:22:37 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJDox-0000OI-0p - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:32:51 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81IMQO9012219 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:22:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16319 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 18:22:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 1 Sep 2006 18:22:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81IE3m22657; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:14:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:14:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:44:47 +0200) Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc -Cc: list > >/home/hemmecke/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements/mnt/linux/../../share/doc/hypertex/bitmaps/axiom1.bitmap< > not found This is fixed in --patch-50 -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDq3-0005EY-3c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:33:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDq1-0005Do-KH - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:33:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJDpz-0005CU-B2 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:33:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJDpz-0005CP-5l - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:33:55 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJDzs-0001DW-V9 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:44:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BBB4519; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:33:53 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E26450F; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:33:53 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E258B82B98; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:33:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Requiring LaTeX On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -2629,39 +1580,11 @@ non-sensical. It does active harm to the project itself. Nobody has proposed that Axiom be non-literate -- if that is what you're arguing. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJF7p-0001wd-Kj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:56:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJF7n-0001wG-Bv - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:56:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJF7l-0001tx-Mt - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:56:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJF7l-0001tq-JZ - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:56:21 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJFHf-0007oB-Kk - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:06:35 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81JuGGP002799 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:56:17 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:02:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 09/01/2006 08:14 PM, root wrote: >> >/home/hemmecke/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements/mnt/linux/../../share/doc/hypertex/bitmaps/axiom1.bitmap< @@ -2681,39 +1604,11 @@ Tim, you should not just add improvements without telling others. That makes frustrated developers who will soon get away from Axiom or fork a new project. Do you want that? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJFYH-0002MS-2A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:23:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJFYF-0002MH-Ri - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:23:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJFYE-0002L7-2j - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:23:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJFYD-0002Kg-8m - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:23:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJFi7-0002a0-Va - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:33:56 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81KNUGP003591 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:23:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:29:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - -Cc: list > | Latex is not optional, it is not overhead, it is not waste. > | If latex is not installed then axiom SHOULD NOT BUILD. @@ -2758,40 +1653,14 @@ code in ALLPROSE and aldor-combinat svn://svn.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/hemmecke/combinat/trunk/combinat But I will never go back to non-LP. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJG8U-0002zX-6Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:01:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJG8Q-0002vC-Bn - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:01:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJG8P-0002tx-76 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:01:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJG8P-0002tf-0j - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:01:05 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.71] (helo=web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJGIJ-0006Ub-Um - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:11:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 23945 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2006 21:01:04 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=6YzZhQcJet2nAD9ToFLvNowstrNUioDI3coByGwHFLMFzXSztlwtujMjftobnbRC75QnBC0NOoPlpeu19s7xvBjMThlWW9DnLJ28Yl2rB/MXbcjwUbJkBHbyN0ngo6Tm4vVQdr07uCrvY1cGbCRQtCFsWnBlNdfHiLfdCvDALKg= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:01:04 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Requiring LaTeX +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > \begin{rant} > @@ -3045,48 +1914,11 @@ Fluency in programming languages, like human languages, takes time and practice. Perhaps I should not be attempting any serious Axiom work until I first achieve fluency. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJGaG-0004V4-6f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:29:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJGaE-0004Tb-HV - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:29:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJGaB-0004Sd-Uq - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:29:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJGaB-0004SZ-Qm - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:29:47 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.237] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJGk7-0001QF-7R - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:40:03 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1294936wxc - for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:29:46 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Ijqx94Ot8Vnp5l5mTDxuEpiPGfqDtbPTcNQq5TaZUvIyXXKv4CNvSawcHPpwbTLzecT6fa/rWUs+LQnmFKHmX0mH7iMnge1aJYIZX6dU3pAHwgUAMbAXSRRKQ5ierKha1jkkFYHUktbfb5FqIJgL+v31nExdJdRDB6TTQh3YMcg= -Received: by 10.90.100.6 with SMTP id x6mr905565agb; - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:29:46 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:29:46 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: list Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - boundary="----=_Part_72700_28141566.1157146186378" - <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -------=_Part_72700_28141566.1157146186378 Hi everyone, @@ -3125,78 +1957,11 @@ the dependencies (yum, apt-get, emerge, pacman, (insert your favorite here). >>literate coding, but I don't think TeX was designed for this type of >>situation.) -Regards, - -Jose Alfredo Perez - -------=_Part_72700_28141566.1157146186378 - -Hi everyone,
-
 -I know that probably I am the person of least programming experience
-in the list, but I felt like commenting on this issue.
-
-Axiom should only provide the packages that are "must have" and that the
-user cannot install in their system by themselves. I do not think you
-should convert your make process into a package manager.
-
-If a special version of GCL is required for Axiom, then it should be provided.
-But if it falls under the criteria of Noweb, Latex, X, etc, ... that the user can
-install by themselves, then GCL and every other package should be also a dependency. If their are not present then AXIOM is not compiled and the
error is shown to the user telling them what is needed.
-
-Then you move to another level of providing packages for the different distros
-(at least the mayor ones) and use their respective package managers to handle
-the dependencies (yum, apt-get, emerge, pacman, (insert your favorite here).

-> The new makefiles should be 3/4 documentation. They should discuss
> the design decisions (like separate build trees) based on today's
> understanding so that when the trends change (and they will) the
-> next generation knows the why and how of the design. Why is it ok
> to require the user to install GCL but not Latex?

 -
>>But we don't require the user to install GCL - Axiom deliberately
>>includes it in the tree as of now.  We DO require an external install
>>of LaTeX - is the plan to bundle some subset of TeX and LaTeX as well? -
>>(I can see this if we have a cl-typesetting type solution since that
>>typesetting logic can also be used in GUI situations as well as
>>literate coding, but I don't think TeX was designed for this type of -
>>situation.)
-
-Regards,
-
-Jose Alfredo Perez
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- -------=_Part_72700_28141566.1157146186378-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJGix-00053z-Kj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:38:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJGiw-00053Z-50 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:38:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJGiu-000535-Kj - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:38:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJGiu-000530-FY - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:38:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJGsp-0002pX-UA - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:49:04 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81LcbqL030459 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:38:41 -0400 -Received: (qmail 4668 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:38:37 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 21:38:37 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81LUHx22740; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:30:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:30:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - 01 Sep 2006 22:02:04 +0200) Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> - <44F891BC.90206@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > >> >/home/hemmecke/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements/mnt/linux/../../share/doc/hypertex/bitmaps/axiom1.bitmap< > >> not found @@ -3239,41 +2004,11 @@ the plan is to diff Gold and Silver.... soon. it's a holiday weekend here in the states which means i get an extra day of axiom hacking. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJH0z-0007lE-9t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJH0x-0007km-ON - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJH0w-0007k5-5p - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJH0w-0007k2-0Q - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJHAr-0005Tl-HA - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:07:41 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81LvLGP005720 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:57:22 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:03:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> - <44F891BC.90206@hemmecke.de> - <200609012130.k81LUHx22740@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > i was working on the todo-list posted in the --patch-50 announce which read: > @@ -3298,37 +2033,14 @@ Anyway, when Gold is released there should not be need to move patches from Gold to Silver/trunk. If that must happen then I think something is wrong. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHDm-0003Z2-Ry - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:10:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHDk-0003Wz-Vn - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:10:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHDj-0003VL-Cv - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:10:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJHDi-0003Uh-Ip - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:10:38 -0400 -Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJHNe-0006pM-K0 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:20:54 -0400 -Received: from [162.84.139.22] (account ) - by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) - with HTTP id 8276617; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:10:28 -0400 -From: "William Sit" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:10:28 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: obsolete pages and portal download On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:01:07 -0400 - "Bill Page" Bill Page wrote: + Bill Page wrote: >Is this better? > >http://page.axiom-developer.org @@ -3355,45 +2067,12 @@ provided by Google should fail). If you set me up to be able to edit or delete pages no longer needed, I'll spend some time to clean things up. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHPm-0002L4-AN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:23:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHPk-0002J8-Hg - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:23:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHPj-0002IB-Uj - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:23:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJHPj-0002I2-GM - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:23:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJHZf-0008WU-Hw - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:33:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81MN0hU020656 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:23:00 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22449 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 22:23:00 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 1 Sep 2006 22:23:00 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81MEee22762; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:14:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:14:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:29:18 +0200) Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Suppose you are an axiom-developer (and you can build everything of > Axiom on your local machine). Now person A is posting a message that @@ -3508,49 +2187,11 @@ In theory you can change anything in the source tree, type 'make' and it SHOULD do the right thing. Otherwise make is broken. One of the current design principles is that this should 'just work'. -t - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHZO-0005gA-QW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:33:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHZN-0005fJ-3J - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:33:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHZL-0005ez-PI - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:32:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJHZL-0005ew-Id - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:32:59 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJHjH-0000wo-L7 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:43:15 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9841B44; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:32:57 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14921E67; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:32:56 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C232B82B99; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:32:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -3568,46 +2209,15 @@ doing the whole. I have seen *successful lagre projects* (much larger and complex than Axiom) work that way. Axiom is painting itself in a coerner that can only harm it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHgS-0002rn-Km - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:40:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHgQ-0002oq-0U - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:40:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJHgN-0002mC-IV - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:40:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJHgN-0002lw-BH - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:40:15 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJHqJ-0001gi-FM - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:50:31 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EE5CFDB; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:40:14 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6644CFBE; 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1 Sep 2006 22:57:02 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81MmgG22784; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:48:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:48:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:03:10 +0200) Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> - <44F891BC.90206@hemmecke.de> - <200609012130.k81LUHx22740@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8AE1E.5010303@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list - > > the plan is to diff Gold and Silver.... soon. > @@ -3804,46 +2346,11 @@ occur at 2 month intervals (see the email archives) since 2 months is short enough to wait for an official fix but long enough that i don't spend all my time testing. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJI29-00085C-Im - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:02:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJI27-00084u-VN - for list; 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- Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:02:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -3876,43 +2383,10 @@ But we have to live with the present too. Not really. Really check. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJI9G-0005gU-Vr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:10:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJI9G-0005gB-3s - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:10:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJI9E-0005fT-DA - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:10:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJI9E-0005fQ-9F - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:10:04 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJIJA-0004Ea-Ms - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:20:20 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81N9uja013862 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:09:56 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10282 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 23:09:56 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Cliff Yapp; 1 Sep 2006 23:09:56 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81N1b022800; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:01:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:01:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:56:19 -0500 (CDT)) - -Cc: list Subject: Re: Requiring LaTeX > In April, I approched two friends of mine involved in linu @@ -3928,41 +2402,12 @@ since 1985 or so. I used it to build on Suns, Symbolics, AIX, and several other systems on a daily basis. If you also NFS mount INT you can used the cached work on a cross-platform build. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIF2-0007xS-CZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:16:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIEz-0007wB-CU - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:16:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIEw-0007vQ-Vy - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:15:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIEw-0007vD-2j - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:15:58 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJIOs-0004iz-J4 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:26:14 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81NFpGP007502 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:15:51 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:21:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 09/02/2006 12:14 AM, root wrote: >> Suppose you are an axiom-developer (and you can build everything of @@ -4053,47 +2498,12 @@ Right. But if I don't have latex and change a pamphlet, I am lost. Wasn't there someone who said that --patch-50 does not build on debian? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIY3-00044F-Dp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:35:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIY1-00041m-BN - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:35:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIXz-00040q-EC - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:35:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIXz-00040k-5m - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:35:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJIhv-0006CX-R4 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:45:56 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k81NZWUa026924 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:35:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14439 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 23:35:33 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 1 Sep 2006 23:35:33 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k81NRDm22821; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:27:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:27:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:21:32 +0200) Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > One of the current design principles is that this should 'just work'. > @@ -4118,44 +2528,10 @@ delayed the release of gold). I can't claim that it does 'just work' but I do try hard to make it so. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIcH-0005O9-8n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:40:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIcF-0005Nx-Pq - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:40:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIcD-0005Nd-Ri - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:40:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIcD-0005NY-HA - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:40:01 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJImA-0006lr-74 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:50:18 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7722778; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:39:59 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF922777; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:39:59 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB0782B99; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:39:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:39:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly - - <200609012301.k81N1b022800@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Requiring LaTeX On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -4184,47 +2560,11 @@ Sorry to say, but that is way, far way insufficient to provide cross-compilation. Furthermore, as I demonstrated earlier, the current scheme just does NOT work. I've tried it! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIg2-0000UN-S5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:43:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIg0-0000UI-BR - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:43:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIfy-0000U6-A3 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:43:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIfx-0000Tz-V3 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:43:54 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJIpu-00072g-MF - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:54:10 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB911CE6; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:53 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA941201; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:51 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A87182B99; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -4235,48 +2575,11 @@ if we allow build of Axiom without requiring latex, Axiom might be in the danger of being tested and used in more environments, and we might have more users; that should not be allowed. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIhm-00038z-4J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:45:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIhl-00037J-2t - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:45:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIhj-00034C-Nk - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:45:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIhj-00033u-BC - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:45:43 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJIrg-00076w-50 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:56:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C179D586; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:45:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04758D567; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:45:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D245682B99; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:45:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:45:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> - <200609012327.k81NRDm22821@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -4286,43 +2589,12 @@ everybody is trying hard. You have to admit that if you open the door for more testing, you might have more hands to help you. Maybe you don't want that, I don't really know. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJImX-0007sz-Iy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:50:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJImV-0007sB-UB - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:50:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJImU-0007qL-CT - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:50:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJImU-0007qC-93 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:50:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJIwQ-0007Jn-TF - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:00:55 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k81NoTGP008568 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:50:29 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:56:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> - <200609012327.k81NRDm22821@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 09/02/2006 01:27 AM, root wrote: >> One of the current design principles is that this should 'just work'. @@ -4345,38 +2617,11 @@ say after the gold release that it doesn't build on his system. What about that suggestion? Or do you really want to test everything alone and wait for complaints after the release? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIv9-0004AY-47 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:59:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIv8-00049B-3w - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:59:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIv5-00048Q-HI - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:59:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIv5-000485-C1 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:59:31 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJJ52-0007z4-2X - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:09:48 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-20.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.20]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k81NxTSt026685; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:59:29 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 42F411A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:59:40 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 18:59:39 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 18:59:39 -0500 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -4419,38 +2664,11 @@ spent there. I certainly don't want them get swamped in rigid approach to literate programming, when they have valuable contribution to make. I must confess that, however enthusiastic I'm about Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIwv-0006OH-Ou - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:01:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIwt-0006Kv-Lx - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:01:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIws-0006Ju-L4 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:01:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIws-0006Jj-HC - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:01:22 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJJ6p-00086D-8B - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:11:39 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-20.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.20]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8201ESt026725; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:01:14 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id D73D41A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:01:24 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:01:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> - <44F891BC.90206@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:01:24 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4476,41 +2694,13 @@ You have to realize that the branch silver is actually a trap. :-( How true. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIz7-0000GT-Ao - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:03:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIz5-0000GO-Cd - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:03:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJIz1-0000AD-Kl - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:03:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJIz1-00009t-BF - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:03:35 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJJ8w-0008H2-8U - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:13:51 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-20.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.20]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8203OSt026776; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:03:24 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id C546C1A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:03:34 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:03:34 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> - <44F891BC.90206@hemmecke.de> - <200609012130.k81LUHx22740@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:03:34 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > >> >/home/hemmecke/OTHER/Axiom/Silver/build-improvements/mnt/linux/../../share/doc/hypertex/bitmaps/axiom1.bitmap< | > >> not found @@ -4533,43 +2723,13 @@ root Tim Daly writes: I missed it. Please could you give me a pointer to it? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJ3K-0003Sw-6e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:08:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJ3I-0003Sm-Iy - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:08:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJ3G-0003SW-5m - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:07:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJJ3G-0003ST-03 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:07:58 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJJDC-00006D-O6 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:18:15 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-20.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.20]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8207sSt026859; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:07:54 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id D37D91A96A; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:08:04 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:08:04 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Silver build-improvements: Hyperdoc - <200609011814.k81IE3m22657@localhost.localdomain> - <44F891BC.90206@hemmecke.de> - <200609012130.k81LUHx22740@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8AE1E.5010303@hemmecke.de> - <200609012248.k81MmgG22784@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Sep 2006 19:08:04 -0500 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -4595,50 +2755,11 @@ volunteered for it. However, people are asking that if you have a fix for a problem in both golden and silver, make sure it gets applied to silver first. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJRk-00015d-HV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:33:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJRj-00015X-AQ - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:33:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJRh-00015I-T9 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:33:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJJRh-00015F-OF - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:33:13 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJJbe-0001wF-Iq - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:43:30 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k820X0UR026622 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:33:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6489 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 00:33:01 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 2 Sep 2006 00:33:01 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k820Ofb22887; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:24:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:24:41 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:45:41 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> - <200609012327.k81NRDm22821@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | I can't claim that it does 'just work' but I do try hard to make it so. > @@ -4653,48 +2774,11 @@ you were not going to test them. But you can install latex. I want testing, especially for the build mechanism. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJv8-00045y-SN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:03:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJv7-00045t-La - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:03:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJv5-00045g-1k - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:03:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJJv4-00045d-W2 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:03:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJK50-0003rg-VC - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:13:52 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8213SID009704 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:03:28 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27615 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 01:03:29 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 2 Sep 2006 01:03:29 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k820tAL22908; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:55:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:55:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:50 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > | I really don't understand why you insist on preventing people from > | contributing to Axiom. @@ -4742,50 +2826,11 @@ really believe latex is a blocking condition then build the system without it. This is, after all, open source and there is nothing stopping you from proving your point. Certainly not me. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJw4-0004Pp-NE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:04:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJw3-0004Ou-8n - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:04:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJw2-0004Ob-0L - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:04:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJJw1-0004OV-Pn - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:04:33 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJK5z-0003wj-Dj - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:14:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379331274C; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:04:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C77118F7; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:04:31 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2717382B99; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:04:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> - <200609012327.k81NRDm22821@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609020024.k820Ofb22887@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -4810,49 +2855,12 @@ I just don't want to go and install "random" tools on all the SF compile farm machines and spend time making sure that when I switch to a different platform my PATH pick the right binaries. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJwe-0004ca-Hk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:05:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJwc-0004bW-Ge - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:05:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJJwc-0004aR-44 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:05:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJJwb-0004a5-OJ - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJK6Z-0003y9-DE - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:15:27 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k82155DP010487 - for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:05:05 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31359 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 01:05:05 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 2 Sep 2006 01:05:05 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k820ulu22912; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:56:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:56:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:56:17 +0200) Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> - <200609012327.k81NRDm22821@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C8A1.5050601@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Next time before you release gold, just make an announcement. Then > people (like me for example) could download silver/trunk (which should @@ -4868,48 +2876,11 @@ Ralf, I just got SVN access 2 weeks ago. Until that time I was unable to change silver. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJKAh-0003uf-A1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:19:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJKAf-0003qK-92 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:19:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJKAe-0003pn-Mz - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:19:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJKAe-0003pk-HW - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:19:40 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJKKc-0005EC-5V - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:29:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9602E25F4; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:19:39 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C262628; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:19:38 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893EE82B99; - Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:19:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:19:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609011813.k81IDE222651@localhost.localdomain> - - <44F8981E.1080107@hemmecke.de> - <200609012214.k81MEee22762@localhost.localdomain> - <44F8C07C.4080809@hemmecke.de> - <200609020055.k820tAL22908@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -4981,38 +2952,11 @@ fact latex is not necessary to test Axiom's functionnalities. Good! The question is whether you guarantee NOT to give the work consideration. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJLb6-0003HS-IW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:51:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJLb4-0003Gj-Mq - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:51:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJLb3-0003GC-Nr - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:51:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJLb3-0003G6-C0 - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:51:01 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.71] (helo=web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJLl1-0003G8-SD - for list; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:01:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 52764 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2006 02:51:00 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=NuiIlD4/u8/prWINThLu4yA21RCyydx+5kxpikQckWG8iXSbTIqpPbbx/SylqSavfDc8YnCZYLrud5fiq3mOqAT8kECd2H41ONy2h3LgFM4ZVAhNvgiSgZjMJsV0pU6mfUbBzM3R1ktt1ikk38KJCsyAgJNu8sNVa9s3ZSI33hI= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:51:00 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 19:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, root Tim Daly -Cc: list If I may, I have a couple questions/observations: @@ -5093,42 +3037,11 @@ are two philosophies at work here, and I would rather see both accomidated to some degree and allow us to keep our coherence as a project. But that's just me. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJMhv-0004hs-2u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:02:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJMht-0004g3-E2 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:02:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJMhq-0004fr-Mh - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:02:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJMhq-0004fo-FZ - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:02:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.180] (helo=mail60c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJMrp-0000JZ-L2 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:12:25 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mail60c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k823xnjN019223; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:00:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Requiring LaTeX Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:59:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Re: Requiring LaTeX On September 1, 2006 6:33 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -5158,46 +3071,12 @@ Silver is the logical "escape route" for me. :) I will be glad to do everything I can to support it's continued development along the lines proposed above. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJNSu-0003De-QW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:50:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJNSs-0003CM-AB - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:50:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJNSp-0003Bh-IQ - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:50:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJNSp-0003Bd-Bm - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:50:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJNcp-0003kD-04 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:00:59 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k824oOLD003415 - for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:50:28 -0400 -Received: (qmail 900 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 04:50:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 2 Sep 2006 04:50:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k824g7o23020; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:42:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:42:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Well, after much discussion with a friend.... @@ -5206,43 +3085,10 @@ Because I have philosophical problems with the idea of non-latex builds? Have I ever said that I wouldn't accept it? Have I even said it's up to me? -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJOUI-0006yW-Nm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:56:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJOUH-0006ur-1m - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:56:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJOUG-0006uO-0q - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:56:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJOUF-0006uL-SY - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:56:11 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJOeG-0001OR-5w - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:06:32 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k825twDC026967 - for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:56:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19004 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 05:55:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 2 Sep 2006 05:55:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k825lgn23047; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:47:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:47:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - <200609020442.k824g7o23020@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Debian build failure It appears that the src/algebra/Makefile fails. @@ -5267,42 +3113,11 @@ awk -F: '{ Does anyone see anything in this script that might fail on debian systems but work on other linux systems? -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJQfy-000662-B7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:16:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJQfv-00064D-UB - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:16:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJQft-000622-Ps - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:16:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJQft-00061o-58 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:16:21 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJQpu-0005yU-RY - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:26:43 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k828GGGP026356 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:16:17 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:22:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Debian build failure - <200609020547.k825lgn23047@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list I don''t really understand, what you mean here. In Makefile.pamphlet I read in section @@ -5359,42 +3174,11 @@ On 09/02/2006 07:47 AM, root wrote: > > Does anyone see anything in this script that might fail on debian > systems but work on other linux systems? -> -> t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJQuj-0001d0-Dy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:31:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJQuh-0001bt-2q - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:31:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJQuf-0001bh-El - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:31:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJQuf-0001be-8i - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:31:37 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJR4h-0006jP-0F - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:41:59 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k828VMxk010345 - for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:31:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18408 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 08:31:23 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 2 Sep 2006 08:31:23 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k828N7Q23527; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:23:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:23:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - <200609020442.k824g7o23020@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Debian build failure I found it. @@ -5414,42 +3198,11 @@ but on Debian the lines look like: It looks like debian's awk uses a different convention of escape characters. I'll have to write a special case version for debian in the morning. -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJR5B-0002td-9q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:42:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJR58-0002nv-Pw - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:42:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJR57-0002ij-0F - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:42:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJR56-0002iP-OZ - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:42:24 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJRF8-0007g6-IF - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:52:46 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k828gLGP026869 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:42:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:48:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Debian build failure - <200609020823.k828N7Q23527@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Hi Tim, @@ -5487,44 +3240,12 @@ On 09/02/2006 10:23 AM, root wrote: > > It looks like debian's awk uses a different convention of escape characters. > I'll have to write a special case version for debian in the morning. -> -> t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJUX7-0004kb-FY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:23:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJUX5-0004jZ-7n - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:23:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJUX3-0004jN-HF - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:23:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJUX3-0004jK-Bh - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:23:29 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJUh7-0007Vj-Go - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:33:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27529126CC; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:23:27 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F217126A8; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:23:25 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9715B82B99; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:23:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:23:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <200609020442.k824g7o23020@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -5539,36 +3260,11 @@ On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, root wrote: You are the one who decides what goes into gold. When you say something about what should happen to Axiom, it carries lot of weight. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJV1R-00059Y-9W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:54:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJV1P-00059E-Dq - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:54:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJV1M-000592-VD - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:54:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJV1M-00058z-QJ - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:54:48 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJVBR-0002xH-0u - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:05:13 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k82CH7St009943; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:17:07 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 07F3F1A96A; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:17:20 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 02 Sep 2006 06:55:33 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Sep 2006 06:55:33 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -5588,36 +3284,11 @@ developed on a branch needs to 3) be reviewed by the "core" developers, (e.g. Tim), for acceptance or rejection. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJVwE-0002cA-DI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:53:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJVwC-0002c4-35 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:53:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJVw9-0002bs-IU - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:53:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJVw9-0002bp-E3 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:53:29 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.44] (helo=mta13.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJW6E-0007t1-A0 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:03:54 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [24.53.114.122]) by mta13.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060902135322.TUIB59.mta13.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.3]>; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:53:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:10:52 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 - <200609010105.k8115wo20755@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list root wrote: >>> does it compile in debian stable? @@ -5631,49 +3302,28 @@ root wrote: > export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/fedora5 > -I would like to comment; it's more correct to change this option to something like -X Window System Version 7.0.0 -I believe that this x11 version moved the lib, thus a compile test like -Xorg -version -is more in line with reality than selecting fedora5. All of the other distributions (and perhaps -individuals upgrading) will (or should) track this. IMHO things like this have to be folded in, in -a systematic manner; this type of change is not going away. +I would like to comment; it's more correct to change this option to +something like X Window System Version 7.0.0 I believe that this x11 +version moved the lib, thus a compile test like Xorg -version is more +in line with reality than selecting fedora5. All of the other +distributions (and perhaps individuals upgrading) will (or should) +track this. IMHO things like this have to be folded in, in a +systematic manner; this type of change is not going away. I keep hoping for stability but it's not happening. Ray - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJWpD-0001yP-2o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:50:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJWpB-0001v8-Mb - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:50:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJWp9-0001qy-Vf - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:50:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJWp9-0001qY-Qw - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:50:19 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.202] (helo=mta10.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJWzF-00049v-Cz - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:00:45 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [24.53.114.122]) by mta10.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060902145019.JNZZ24294.mta10.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.3]> - for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:50:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:08:10 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers To: list Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - Alfredo, - Oh, please please; what good is "literate programing" if nobody understands what is said. Known -error outs should automatically tell the user (typically inexperienced) what to do. + +Oh, please please; what good is "literate programing" if nobody +understands what is said. Known error outs should automatically tell +the user (typically inexperienced) what to do. Ray @@ -5682,43 +3332,11 @@ Alfredo Portes wrote: > error is shown to the user telling them what is needed. > - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJXwp-0006em-VI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:02:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJXwl-0006dn-Op - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:02:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJXwk-0006d0-KW - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:02:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJXwj-0006ch-Ew - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:02:13 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJY6p-00073X-H7 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:12:39 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1522293wxc - for ; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:02:12 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=GYZStMLpUdi7T5VapBClVVRRTcVVMvVwb9My6B+pih0o+ekRXloTa13bpiLVngAV5lZ5r2/D7+f8LpLqI2/y2bxuFYmIWpZU2In8KQIhSoiqxNxnC8/I2UHklFJLfWC7u68iRQcQ/0sOp1Q+fkwEkQAc3yiXXzdv3BkzZPjuA7E= -Received: by 10.90.78.16 with SMTP id a16mr942572agb; - Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:02:12 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:02:12 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Raymond Rogers Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - boundary="----=_Part_79552_22355323.1157212932124" - <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - - <44F99E5A.4010001@plaidheron.com> -Cc: list - -------=_Part_79552_22355323.1157212932124 Ray, @@ -5752,12 +3370,12 @@ and I am missing something, then this should be clear. Who has not spent time trying to figure out some dependency because it was not clear what broke at compilation time. (maybe only me, nooby :-) ). -In a perfect world Axiom would not have any dependency, but if it must have -it then let the -user install it in the system. How hard is to have latex on a system -nowdays. I am with Tim in this, regarding that future projects will require -latex (browser hyperdoc...). Axiom is in LP style, Latex/Noweb is the -current tool in Axiom to achieve this, how can Latex not be a requirement? +In a perfect world Axiom would not have any dependency, but if it must +have it then let the user install it in the system. How hard is to +have latex on a system nowdays. I am with Tim in this, regarding that +future projects will require latex (browser hyperdoc...). Axiom is in +LP style, Latex/Noweb is the current tool in Axiom to achieve this, +how can Latex not be a requirement? I understand that it makes it harder for the testing purposes on other systems, but I think is not that much of a problem as it sounds in this @@ -5770,55 +3388,11 @@ Funny enough 4 years ago I was not able to ask for coffee in a restaurant, much less think that I would be able to write suggestions for such a great project like Axiom). -Regards, - -Jose Alfredo Perez - -------=_Part_79552_22355323.1157212932124 - -Ray,

On 9/2/06, Raymond E. Rogers <Raymond Rogers> wrote:Alfredo,
        Oh, please please; what good is "literate programing" if nobody understands what is said.  Known -
error outs should automatically tell the user (typically inexperienced) what to do.

Ray

Alfredo Portes wrote:
and the
> error is shown to the user telling them what is needed.
>

I would argue the contrary, that this doesn't always happen. Windows -systems are the best example. What in the world do I do if I get a -window saying:

"unknown error".
"error: c456cpetht..."
"the system has recovered from a serious error"

That doesn't have to do anything with LP. And type of error messages like this are written by world top programmers. -

My point was that I see now two camps in the mailing list. I could be a regular user of Axiom, so my hope will be always to just say "apt-get install axiom" or any other package manager. If I am trying to compile it and I am missing something, then this should be clear. Who has not spent time trying to figure out some dependency because it was not clear what broke at compilation time. (maybe only me, nooby :-) ). -

In a perfect world Axiom would not have any dependency, but if it must have it then let the
user install it in the system. How hard is to have latex on a system nowdays. I am with Tim in this, regarding that future projects will require latex (browser hyperdoc...). Axiom is  in LP style, Latex/Noweb is the current tool in Axiom to achieve this, how can Latex not be a requirement? -

I understand that it makes it harder for the testing purposes on other systems, but I think is not that much of a problem as it sounds in this thread. Of course I could be totally wrong, with everybody more experienced than me actually doing the work (easy to talk in the bench) . -

I hope that was the problem you were talking about, and not my English. Sorry if I am not clear in my writting (I have only 4 years living in US. Funny enough 4 years ago I was not able to ask for coffee in a restaurant, much less think that I would be able to write suggestions for such a  great project like Axiom). -

Regards,

Jose Alfredo Perez
- -------=_Part_79552_22355323.1157212932124-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYH9-0002WV-VE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:23:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYH8-0002TZ-DF - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:23:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYH6-0002PH-Ba - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:23:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJYH6-0002P3-8N - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:23:16 -0400 -Received: from [68.168.78.44] (helo=mta13.adelphia.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJYRC-0003N8-B9 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:33:42 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.2.3] (really [24.53.114.122]) by mta13.adelphia.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP - id <20060902162310.YPFT59.mta13.adelphia.net@[192.168.2.3]>; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:23:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:41:39 -0400 From: Raymond Rogers To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - - <44F99E5A.4010001@plaidheron.com> - -Cc: list Alfredo Portes wrote: > Ray, @@ -5880,49 +3454,11 @@ finally developed. Absolutely nothing to do with you or your writing; I was just making a plea for know errors to give guidance about how to fix things. -Regards, - -Jose Alfredo Perez - -Enjoy, it's 63 in Maine, that's the high. The New England weather forecast a couple of weeks ago: -prepare for early frost; after all, summer is almost 2/3 over. - -Ray - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYsZ-0002lG-RO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:01:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYsY-0002jd-BZ - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:01:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYsW-0002hX-Hq - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:01:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJYsW-0002hP-FS - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:01:56 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJZ2d-0000ZF-3h - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:12:23 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k82H1rSt015526; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:01:54 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id C28291A96A; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:02:06 -0500 (CDT) +Date: 02 Sep 2006 12:02:06 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX - <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - - <44F99E5A.4010001@plaidheron.com> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Sep 2006 12:02:06 -0500 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -5944,44 +3480,16 @@ Here is a concrete proposal for you: get subscribed at SF (if you're not already) and install latex on all the non-linux systems they have and do the testings on all of those hosts, send the build log back to me. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYxw-0004aT-NB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:07:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYxu-0004a2-Vr - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:07:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJYxs-0004Zo-DL - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:07:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJYxs-0004Zh-7P - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:07:28 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.18] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJZ7z-0001G0-1J - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:17:55 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-34-59.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-34-59.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.140.59]) - by mwinf1918.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2B6DE1C0008A - for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:07:15 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:07:00 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Some typos in src/algebra - ---=-zuTjgoTbutpCzxON1ZGF - See attachment... Greg ---=-zuTjgoTbutpCzxON1ZGF - --- src/algebra/attreg.spad.pamphlet.old 2006-09-02 19:00:53.000000000 +0200 +++ src/algebra/attreg.spad.pamphlet 2006-09-02 19:01:09.000000000 +0200 @@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ @@ -6015,38 +3523,10 @@ Greg \end{thebibliography} \end{document} ---=-zuTjgoTbutpCzxON1ZGF-- - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJZM7-0000Fi-GZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:32:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJZM5-0000Eq-CS - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:32:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJZM3-0000Dr-MX - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:32:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJZM3-0000Dc-H0 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:32:27 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJZWA-0002ds-MH - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:42:54 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1543708wxc - for ; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=ONtN1+tQ3zpO8DM1um05vYmEYh7LWuMLircf65LwZuh4c+hGZJKRiQlgK7DRA6Evh9QplYfDq6Lv+8AzI8otZgAb1rwLW3dNw6pT4c4ToFfT/BCDGV1A/Vmvp5xRHIVy3azpy8jkraLzHdo+tXWEg2qjpHw9JDN6+e78+VVCcXo= -Received: by 10.90.115.4 with SMTP id n4mr972151agc; - Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:32:26 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX boundary="----=_Part_80316_27433402.1157218346629" <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -6107,24 +3587,6 @@ to Matthew Garrett
   resignation from Debian.

   \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJaSX-0006Gx-W4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:43:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJaSW-0006Gp-1I - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:43:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJaSU-0006GY-IJ - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:43:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJaSU-0006GV-C2 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:43:10 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.230] (helo=S4.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJacc-0000F1-1L - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:53:38 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.117.100.98]) - by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 73117692 - for multiple; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:43:07 -0700 To: list Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX From: Jay Belanger @@ -6158,32 +3620,6 @@ Jay \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbL5-00083x-Gx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:39:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbL3-00083b-Fj - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:39:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbL1-00083P-N1 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:39:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJbL1-00083M-J7 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:39:31 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJbV9-0005vk-M2 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:49:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB8845A6; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:39:29 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1B045CA; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:39:28 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60FD82B99; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:39:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:39:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes @@ -6241,26 +3677,6 @@ lacking latex. I don't see how that harms Axiom. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbQ7-0001dY-Gz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:44:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbQ5-0001dH-Pw - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:44:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbQ4-0001cr-7l - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:44:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJbQ4-0001co-1Y - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:44:44 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJbaC-0006H0-5E - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:55:12 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k82JigSt018973; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:44:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 9C2091A96A; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:44:55 -0500 (CDT) To: Jay Belanger Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -6298,31 +3714,11 @@ without latex. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbXn-0005s3-RA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:52:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbXl-0005ph-ED - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:52:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbXk-0005nc-0H - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:52:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJbXj-0005nW-SD - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:52:39 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJbhs-0006rS-5F - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:03:08 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k82JqcSt019135; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:52:38 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id BBCCD1A96A; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:52:51 -0500 (CDT) To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Some typos in src/algebra From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:52:51 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: @@ -6335,34 +3731,8 @@ applied to build-improvements. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbej-0001MW-LL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:59:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbei-0001Le-AN - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:59:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbef-0001I2-Nw - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:59:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJbef-0001Hn-Ba - for list; 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- Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:03:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:03:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -6436,24 +3780,6 @@ latex and svn are missing. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbjL-00035O-NY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:04:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbjJ-000353-Si - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:04:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJbjH-00034H-6e - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:04:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJbjH-00034E-2i - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:04:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.229] (helo=S3.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJbtP-0007a1-CF - for list; 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- Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:41:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:41:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes @@ -6779,32 +4012,6 @@ Axiom without latex? That is NOT a rhetorical question. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcMy-000468-IU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:45:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcMw-00045p-AG - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:45:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcMv-00045Y-MN - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:45:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJcMv-00045V-I2 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:45:33 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJcX4-0002HO-DY - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:56:02 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F8E46EF; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:45:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D47459D; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:45:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF55882B99; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:45:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:45:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -6859,26 +4066,6 @@ does the latexing, separated from the rest. Of course, for releases \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcQ7-0004w6-0Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:48:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcQ6-0004vv-E4 - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:48:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcQ5-0004vi-QL - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:48:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJcQ5-0004ve-Nb - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:48:49 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJcaE-0002P0-JI - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:59:18 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k82KmmSt020378; - Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:48:48 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 8F6CE1A96A; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:49:01 -0500 (CDT) To: Jay Belanger Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX <20060901210104.23943.qmail@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -6918,26 +4105,6 @@ Basically, here is what I would like to see: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcu7-0001SU-PQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:19:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcu6-0001Qz-Er - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:19:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJcu4-0001NU-Iz - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:19:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJcu4-0001NP-Ee - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:19:48 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJd4D-0004WQ-OF - for list; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:30:18 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k82LJlSt021032; 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- Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:41:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:41:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -7282,27 +4319,8 @@ lisp works. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJwAg-00023d-Fr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:54:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJwAf-00023Y-6r - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:54:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJwAc-00023M-Hh - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:54:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwAc-00023J-Df - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:54:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwKx-0001ah-J0 - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:04:51 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k83Hrmuw028498; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:54:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:53:28 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -7331,32 +4349,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJwDN-0003Uh-92 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:57:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJwDL-0003U6-Kg - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:56:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJwDJ-0003T1-0j - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:56:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJwDI-0003St-LZ - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:56:56 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJwNd-0001pH-SA - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:07:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695F1281; 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Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:18:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:18:24 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -7549,7 +4483,7 @@ Cc: list > Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom > > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | I don't know who doesn't know what doesn't work. > @@ -7611,32 +4545,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJzke-0003cF-IP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:43:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJzkc-0003bL-Mi - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:43:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GJzka-0003b9-Vp - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:43:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJzka-0003b6-RS - for list; 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On my Zaurus the arm Debian distribution runs in a chroot. ->=20 +> > There are two methods generally used, CROSS-COMPILATION and -> CROSS-MOUNTING.=20 +> CROSS-MOUNTING. > I have never heard of "cross-mounting" used in this context. -=20 ->=20 + +> > CROSS-COMPILATION involves two systems, B -- the build system > and T -- the target system. You compile on B but tell GCC that -> the target is T.=20 ->=20 +> the target is T. +> > GCC is designed in layers. The source code eventually gets > compiled to RTL (Register Transfer Language) which is a target > independent lisp-like assembler language. Since this is system- > independent you can use the RTL anywhere. ->=20 +> > The final stage of GCC compiles RTL to the target platform. GCC > currently targets about 20 platforms. This is useful for targets > like the Zaurus (an ARM (i386-ish) processor) that do not have @@ -8010,12 +4851,12 @@ http://scratchbox.org/wiki/Crocodile But I am quite sure that this is *not* how Camm compiles Axiom for Arm and the other Debian architectures. ->=20 +> > CROSS-MOUNTING is easier if the target system has the tools and > horsepower to host GCC. For instance, to build on a Sun system > it is easier to use NFS (Network File System). Here we talk about > S -- the source system and T -- the target system. ->=20 +> > On S, which contains the source tree, you 'export' the filesystem > using NFS. This allows anyone to mount the filesystem remotely. On > T you NFS-mount the sources. They now appear to be on the target @@ -8026,28 +4867,28 @@ located on another machine running another operating system. You can use NFS, or Samba or whatever. This has nothing to do with cross- compilation. ->=20 -> Axiom can use this system. First you build on S so that you have a=20 +> +> Axiom can use this system. First you build on S so that you have a > full build tree (SRC, INT, OBJ, MNT). Notice that these are defined > as ->=20 +> > SRC -- Human created, read-only > INT -- Machine-generated, Machine-independent > OBJ -- Machine-generated, Machine-dependent > MNT -- Final distribution tree ->=20 ->=20 -> SRC contains the source tree. NFS export on B it so it can be=20 -> mounted on T. INT contains a 'cache' of extracted code that is=20 +> +> +> SRC contains the source tree. NFS export on B it so it can be +> mounted on T. INT contains a 'cache' of extracted code that is > system-independent so it also can be NFS exported on B and > NFS-mounted on T. This saves having to redo a lot of work. ->=20 +> > On B you export SRC & INT. > On T you NFS-mount SRC & INT. -> On T you set the AXIOM variable to the local machine=20 -> (e.g. export AXIOM=3D`pwd`/mnt/sun) +> On T you set the AXIOM variable to the local machine +> (e.g. export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/sun) > On T you type 'make' and it builds a Sun version. ->=20 +> > In parallel, other systems can also do NFS-mount and make. > The only change is the AXIOM variable (e.g. `pwd`/mnt/macox) > @@ -8060,8 +4901,8 @@ in Axiom that is (approximately) machine independent is the lisp source code and the generated lisp code. To get anywhere else with that you still need a lisp interpreter/compiler on the target environment. And it seems to me that that is the hard part. -=20 ->=20 + +> > The advantage of CROSS-COMPILATION is that you can build for > systems that don't support a build environment. The disadvantage > is that you need a cross-compiled environment (e.g. libraries @@ -8086,7 +4927,7 @@ with the object code produced by gcc. What am I missing? ->=20 +> > The advantage of CROSS-MOUNTING is that you are building on > the final target and can use all of the libraries, includes, > and tools. The disadvantage is that you can't do this if the @@ -8095,10 +4936,10 @@ What am I missing? As far as I can see, this is irrelevant to the issue of cross- compilation. ->=20 +> > Which method you use is determined by the resources of the > target. ->=20 +> If you build the binaries on the target this is not cross- compilation. @@ -8117,7 +4958,7 @@ Camm writes: > I doubt exists. Your best bet I'd think would be to setup your > pda to mount a larger filesystem via nfs from another box, with > a true mips development environment installed. Compile there, -> and your pda should be able to run the produced executable.=20 +> and your pda should be able to run the produced executable. http://coding.derkeiler.com/Archive/Lisp/comp.lang.lisp/2005-04/msg01510.= htm @@ -8135,32 +4976,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK3rV-0001vV-Co - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK3rT-0001vQ-T6 - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK3rR-0001vE-SV - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK3rR-0001vB-OA - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:06:53 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK41r-0006Sf-Jn - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:17:39 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D9014B0; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:06:51 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4218114D; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:06:50 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760C582B94; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:06:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:06:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -8185,32 +5000,6 @@ the cross-compiled GCL will on the target (which is also the host). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK46a-0002Xv-SJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:22:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK46Z-0002WT-D7 - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:22:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK46X-0002VX-PE - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:22:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK46X-0002VK-LU - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:22:29 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK4Gx-0007oA-LK - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:33:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123B61963; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:22:28 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8018719C0; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:22:27 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE7082B94; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:22:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -8238,34 +5027,8 @@ GCL cross-compiler". In my Axiom work, I'm interested in the former. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK4BD-0004Pk-Ox - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:27:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK4BC-0004Pf-Sh - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:27:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK4BC-0004PT-AF - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:27:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK4BC-0004PQ-4T - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:27:18 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK4Lc-00089C-EL - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:38:04 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k842R86c002996 - for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:27:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15486 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 02:27:08 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 4 Sep 2006 02:27:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k842IlG31930; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:18:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:18:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom @@ -8396,35 +5159,9 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK4OE-0005QG-Ii - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK4OC-0005PX-V1 - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK4OC-0005P5-Ct - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK4OC-0005Oz-8L - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:44 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK4Yc-0001km-FZ - for list; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:51:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A433622A7; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:40:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918712258; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:40:41 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDF582B94; - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:40:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:40:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom <200609040218.k842IlG31930@localhost.localdomain> Cc: Camm Maguire, list @@ -8456,34 +5193,8 @@ run on the host. I suspect that is the part Bill is confused about. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK69q-00083p-6L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:34:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK69o-00083R-Hm - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:34:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK69l-00082k-UI - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:34:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK69l-00082h-Re - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:33:57 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK6KD-0000tW-4h - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:44:45 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k844XhNN006354 - for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:33:46 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13413 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 04:33:44 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 4 Sep 2006 04:33:44 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k844POm31981; - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:25:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:25:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: --patch-50 @@ -8504,33 +5215,13 @@ Tim \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK8l3-0006Hm-IW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:20:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK8l1-0006Ct-18 - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:20:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GK8l0-0006B0-1u - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:20:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GK8kz-0006AW-Px - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:20:33 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GK8vS-00036s-RQ - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:31:23 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-13.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.13]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k847KVSt004970; - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 02:20:31 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 7CE151A96A; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 00:13:00 -0500 (CDT) To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: --patch-50 From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Sep 2006 00:13:00 -0500 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Sourceforge SVN trunk/axiom is up to date with the Gold version @@ -8541,32 +5232,6 @@ Many thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKAWF-00032J-0B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:13:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKAWD-00030f-OQ - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:13:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKAWB-0002yz-Jj - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:13:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKAWB-0002yc-Bu - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:13:23 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKAge-0007yK-Vv - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 05:24:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E271435; - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:13:21 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D75131D; - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:13:20 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DB182B94; - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:13:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:13:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp @@ -8624,34 +5289,8 @@ You're welcoome. Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKI64-0001hp-Oj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:18:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKI62-0001h9-SA - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:18:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKI61-0001fy-5X - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:18:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKI60-0001fn-Um - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:18:53 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKIGZ-0007fb-PO - for list; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:29:47 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k84HIiED029046 - for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:18:48 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14309 invoked from network); 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- Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:44:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:44:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -10132,28 +6375,6 @@ cross-compilation. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKXE3-000301-Ta - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:28:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKXE2-0002xK-4L - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:28:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKXE0-0002vH-QF - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:28:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXE0-0002ut-Hk - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:28:08 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKXOi-00067W-LU - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:39:12 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k859S1XB027797 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:28:01 +0200 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:27:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -10240,32 +6461,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKXgI-00088Q-Me - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:57:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKXgH-00088G-Aw - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:57:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKXgG-00087J-K2 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:57:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKXgG-000879-HM - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:57:20 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKXqy-0001VE-Pq - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBA31BCF; 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That is tricky too since GCL uses some "non-standard" aspects of C. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKbTF-0004f9-Kb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:00:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKbTD-0004bZ-Qu - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:00:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKbTC-0004Xw-DX - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:00:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKbTB-0004Xb-R1 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:00:05 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKbdt-0006WJ-R8 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:11:11 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k85DxT5k025069; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:59:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:58:55 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -10686,32 +6782,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKbsJ-00012i-Tg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:26:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKbsH-0000zv-Qj - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:26:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKbsG-0000yi-QI - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:26:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKbsG-0000yf-LK - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:26:00 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKc31-00059g-Eh - for list; 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- Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:45:11 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom @@ -10832,27 +6880,8 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKdHJ-0000OK-BN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKdHH-0000KP-LY - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKdHG-0000GI-RN - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKdHF-0000Fh-Li - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:55:53 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKdS1-0000MX-EL - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:07:01 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k85FtSUY016657; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:55:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:55:01 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -10947,36 +6976,7 @@ Regards, Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKdPS-0003bl-Ew - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:04:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKdPR-0003aC-09 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:04:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKdPN-0003Y5-81 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:04:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKdPN-0003Xk-1K - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:04:17 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKda8-0001k7-Mf - for list; 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- Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:30:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:30:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -11197,28 +7171,6 @@ sigh. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKfmL-0005J4-Ba - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:36:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKfmJ-0005D3-8X - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:36:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKfmG-00053T-4P - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKfmF-00052p-U2 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:36:03 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKfx3-0003b7-Et - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:47:13 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id AA7B03CB52 - for ; 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Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:44:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKkac-0001BK-3L - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:44:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E8BEF68ED1; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:44:18 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8AB2B68DA6; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:44:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:44:14 -0400 Thread-Topic: RE: cross-compiling Axiom Thread-Index: AcbRCLIDd3N5gCa3Qo6D5KBkPKYptgAITy8g From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list On Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:31 PM Gabriel Dos Reis ->=20 +> > | 1) Why should we want Axiom to be cross-compiled? ->=20 +> > Because I believe that making Axiom more accessible is a very > important issue for Axiom. You believe that people can just go > apt-get and voil=E0. @@ -11389,7 +7297,7 @@ dependencies manually. Debian and Ubuntu seem to be pretty widely used to me. They are both listed here with the "top 10": -http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=3Dmajor +http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major There does not seem to be any easy way to get statistics on the actual number of installed Linux systems. But I think we have @@ -11424,11 +7332,11 @@ book (which is already available to university book stores through standard channels like Amazon) would have a bigger impact than anything we do through the Linux distributions. ->=20 +> > | I think there are many more important issues to address. ->=20 +> > that is your belief. ->=20 +> > I however agree there are other important issues to address. > At the moment, I don't believe they are more important than > "getting Axiom to the masses". @@ -11461,12 +7369,12 @@ does not seem to be a factor in the observed difference. Of course since participation on Debian popcon is optional, it is easy to dispute the actual meaning of these numbers. ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | I have explained and so had David Mentre and a few other people > | on this list. ->=20 +> > David's message (from April) got an answer from Benjamin. About cross-compilation David Mentre wrote: @@ -11510,8 +7418,8 @@ I don't count that as any sort of credible "answer". > I think I should let them speak for themselves, if they wish. -=20 -> ...=20 + +> ... > No; I've just been amazed how negative you want this stuff to be: > "it is impossible to do, and you speak of doing it, then you must > not understand it, and if you do understand it, then it is not @@ -11525,7 +7433,7 @@ non-standard way. And I do believe there are better ways of spending time on Axiom then trying to satisfy artificial requirements that have such dubious benefits. ->=20 +> > Now, if that is constructive, then I hereby apply for the rank > of "arm-chair contributor" :-) @@ -11538,14 +7446,14 @@ expression of my opinion annoys you or seems to waste your time. But this is an open source project, so I am sure that you will continue with your contributions to Axiom or not, as you see fit. ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | When Axiom is built using GCL, GCC becomes an integral part of > | Axiom. Axiom cannot run without it. GCC is called every time you > | define a function. So to run Axiom you must provide the GCC > | environment. ->=20 +> > No, I do not need to provide GCC environment. I just need to make > sure that the right GCC is called. GCL does not provide GCC. It > just assumes GCC exists. @@ -11562,7 +7470,7 @@ For example on Windows, the necessary parts of the GCC environment (including the GCC compiler) must be copied from MSYS/MinGW and these are included in the self-install binary distribution file for Windows. ->=20 +> > | If you have the GCC environment, then GCL and Axiom > | can be built on the target environment. 2) What is the point of > | "jumping-through-hoops" to try to arrange that some part of the @@ -11570,7 +7478,7 @@ are included in the self-install binary distribution file for Windows. > | target when in the end the target must have the same environment, > | must be sufficiently powerful to run Axiom and must in any case > | be involved in the creation of the resulting program? ->=20 +> > but, you know that is not the case. So, you want me to answer a > question that is at best a mischaracterization to begin with? > @@ -11589,52 +7497,28 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKkpC-0002gQ-HK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:59:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKkpA-0002eP-WD - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:59:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKkp9-0002df-Kb - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:59:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKkp9-0002dc-DR - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:59:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKkpA-00024d-Pb - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:59:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5EE466923D; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:59:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 50E496921A; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:59:21 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:59:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: NotebookWiki Thread-Index: AcbRMM454ypSxAGoTNeEPhwjR1TyyQAFICog From: Bill Page -To: +To: Tom Boothby Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: NotebookWiki -Tom,=20 +Tom, On Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:18 PM you wrote: ->=20 -> Recently, we've been discussing adapting the notebook to be=20 -> used by Axiom and other languages. I commented that I've=20 -> been contemplating a fusion of the SAGE notebook, and the=20 -> wiki idiom. I thought I'd have gotten around to this sooner,=20 -> but I've finally posted my ideas to the SAGE wiki. This is=20 -> by no means complete, but I want to get other people into the=20 +> +> Recently, we've been discussing adapting the notebook to be +> used by Axiom and other languages. I commented that I've +> been contemplating a fusion of the SAGE notebook, and the +> wiki idiom. I thought I'd have gotten around to this sooner, +> but I've finally posted my ideas to the SAGE wiki. This is +> by no means complete, but I want to get other people into the > discussion early on. ->=20 +> > http://sage.math.washington.edu:9001/NotebookWiki ->=20 +> I am very interested in this subject. As you might know, we do already have some support for SAGE on the Axiom wiki @@ -11663,34 +7547,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKkuX-00074c-SZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:04:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKiJC-00089y-Gy - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:18:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKiJ9-0007z0-8z - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:18:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKiJ8-0007ye-Tq - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:18:10 -0400 -Received: from [140.142.32.178] (helo=mxout7.cac.washington.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKiJ8-0004zR-WC - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:18:11 -0400 -Received: from hymn09.u.washington.edu (hymn09.u.washington.edu - [140.142.12.183]) - by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.03) with ESMTP - id k85LI0CJ023106 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:18:56 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GKl86-0003V1-GS - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:18:58 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id - k860Ip2U007184 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 17:18:51 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k860IpsA007181; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 17:18:51 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 17:18:51 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: boothby@u.washington.edu +To: Tom Boothby Subject: Re: NotebookWiki Bill Page, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net @@ -11860,7 +7642,7 @@ Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net --IR1Y5IvQhrKgS4e6 -boothby@u.washington.edu [boothby@u.washington.edu] wrote: +Tom Boothby [Tom Boothby] wrote: > Recently, we've been discussing adapting the notebook to be used by Axiom > and other languages. I commented that I've been contemplating a fusion of > the SAGE notebook, and the wiki idiom. I thought I'd have gotten around to @@ -11919,41 +7701,17 @@ nbP+RdWaWIL+MTL0GDBTLIw= \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKm4R-00035s-M2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:19:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKm4Q-00034f-QB - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:19:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKm4N-0002wb-FF - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:19:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKm4N-0002wF-8l - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:19:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKm4O-0008KA-P0 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:19:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CB7C368BFF; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:19:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7954868C8B; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:19:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: NotebookWiki Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 21:19:03 -0400 Thread-Topic: NotebookWiki Thread-Index: AcbRShCXy8mGOT2QTSuH6nRKSnrtXgAAdvuA From: Bill Page To: "Bob McElrath" -Cc: boothby@u.washington.edu, list, +Cc: Tom Boothby, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:19 PM Bob McElrath wrote: ->=20 +> > Have you seen my axiom/tiddlywiki demo? > http://bob.mcelrath.org/moz-axiom.tar.gz > ... @@ -11961,7 +7719,7 @@ On Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:19 PM Bob McElrath wrote: Yes. I agree that the client-side wiki concept has a great deal of merit. ->=20 +> > Whether or not you like tiddlywiki, I think the web browser as > an interface is extremely powerful, due to firefox's knowledge > of MathML, and straightforward UI interaction that can be done @@ -11972,7 +7730,7 @@ The Sage NoteBook of course uses these methods and communicates with Sage running a web server embedded in Python. I expect that what Tom is suggesting would require a similar interface to Axiom. ->=20 +> > What ever happened with embedding a web server in axiom a la > axiomui? @@ -11989,7 +7747,7 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--GUI--1/src/web-gui/AxiomHubLisp With a little help from those-more-knowledgeable-in-Lisp-than-I, It should be possible to resurrect at least this part of AxiomUI. -> If someone can point me to a build of axiom which contains a=20 +> If someone can point me to a build of axiom which contains a > web server, I can whip up the equivalent to the above using a > newer axiom and TiddlyWiki version, where the interface would > use AJAX to communicate with the axiom server. This would all @@ -12028,11 +7786,11 @@ the start of the AxiomUI project. I think this is in the axiom- developer email list archives. If you want, I can take a look for it. ->=20 -> I've tried various ideas using netcat, and similar tools to=20 +> +> I've tried various ideas using netcat, and similar tools to > pipe command line interfaces over HTTP, but to no success > (so far). But, perhaps it can still be done... ->=20 +> I definitely would not want to go that route. @@ -12042,34 +7800,9 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKmtd-0001la-0B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKmtb-0001jO-CI - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKmtX-0001ep-IW - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKmtX-0001eN-BD - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:03 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKmta-0004ZU-BS - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:06 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so1379251nzf - for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:12:02 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:date:to:subject:from:organization:cc:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; - b=cVrESq9VuVgFkhx9xY8eR5GVY0/iLVVHhJoLPluj4BPao6bwWWNBTs9+1yUtR7dSkTht8A4FW9LQCBrSxA4PLcN3/3EGHLtme7i7lOHvaiUdG2nMojEQBUmZooOdtH3RxoyXpBKGBpm3+CzAwbrBwoKeHmxrlvLQUw3GNpa3/yo= -Received: by 10.65.139.9 with SMTP id r9mr5661933qbn; - Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:12:02 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from sha.local ( [216.231.36.190]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c5sm5564922qbc.2006.09.05.19.12.00; - Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:11:55 -0700 To: Bill Page -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Hopefully stupid question @@ -12107,36 +7840,12 @@ write the interface under Linux. I just want to know. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKmuH-0002FT-4w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKmuF-0002Ea-51 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKmuD-0002Da-HY - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKmuD-0002DX-Ea - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:45 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKmuG-0004cN-Dk - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:12:48 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DABAC69108; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:12:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 19C2168455; - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:12:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:12:43 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki Thread-Index: AcbRScPdOqTBevZXR0+UgAl4HM0wmgADEIDg From: Bill Page -To: "William Stein" -Cc: boothby@u.washington.edu, list, +To: "William Stein" William Stein +Cc: Tom Boothby, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki @@ -12146,12 +7855,12 @@ On Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:17 PM William Stein wrote: > > interesting. Of course I am also interested in providing a more > > general interface to Axiom from Sage in the same manner as the > > existing Maxima interface. ->=20 -> I've started working on this some. I got distracted by a=20 +> +> I've started working on this some. I got distracted by a > bunch of travel though, which just came to an end. Probably > what will happen is that I'll make a first version that works, > but for which some standard things in Axiom are hard to do, -> or some things are too slow, and we'll work to make the=20 +> or some things are too slow, and we'll work to make the > interface more usable. Great. I took a look at the Maxima interface, but it was a bit @@ -12163,13 +7872,13 @@ and returns a result to Sage, plus some hints as to how to install and test it in my Sage installation, then I would be glad to try to help. ->=20 +> > > Because of firewall restrictions I have problems accessing non- > > standard HTTP ports like 9001 from my usual place of work. Is > > there anyway you can make the NotebookWiki page accessible > > through port 80 or 443? ->=20 -> I haven't only because of laziness. If you could give me=20 +> +> I haven't only because of laziness. If you could give me > instructions how to do this (sage.math is an ubuntu linux > box running apache2), I could do it. @@ -12203,12 +7912,12 @@ address and directories as appropriate for your system. If you get stuck or if this is very unclear, let me know and I can give you more explicit instructions. ->=20 +> > > Or would you mind if I proxied your > > site via the Apache web server at axiom-developer.org? ->=20 +> > Please do and let me know the address. ->=20 +> Here is the axiom-developer proxy address for your wiki: @@ -12227,35 +7936,9 @@ Bill page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKn3t-00067G-ME - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:22:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKn3r-00063C-R9 - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:22:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKn3q-0005xr-3V - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:22:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKn3p-0005xf-UY - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:22:41 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKn3t-0005Ar-2R - for list; 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Walker" , list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> @@ -12714,33 +8304,6 @@ Axiom doesn't depend on packages you only get via fink. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKpdT-0000OE-Pg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:07:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKoGf-0006rQ-SQ - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:40:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKoGd-0006oH-Di - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:40:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKoGd-0006oE-8t - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:39:59 -0400 -Received: from [17.250.248.177] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKoGg-0002Ks-KE - for list; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:40:03 -0400 -Received: from mac.com (smtpin04-en2 [10.13.10.149]) - by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id - k863dtO8015520; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:39:55 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.7] (c-24-6-153-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - [24.6.153.138]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin04/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k863dnsa006896 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:39:52 -0700 (PDT) - - <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609060242.k862g9x12269@localhost.localdomain> From: "Justin C. Walker" Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700 @@ -12788,35 +8351,6 @@ You're not paying attention \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKpdT-0000OT-VH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:07:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKpZN-0001Ie-6N - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:03:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKpZJ-0001DG-S7 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:03:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKpZJ-0001Ci-Gu - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:03:21 -0400 -Received: from [17.250.248.182] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKpZN-0000m6-Nd - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:03:25 -0400 -Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) - by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout12/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id - k8653IBl024194; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:03:18 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.7] (c-24-6-153-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - [24.6.153.138]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k8652wcH017366 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:03:08 -0700 (PDT) - - <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609060242.k862g9x12269@localhost.localdomain> - <857239FD-2BBD-4016-AE75-3210061A8A9D@mac.com> - From: "Justin C. Walker" Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:05:05 -0700 @@ -12890,34 +8424,8 @@ Experience is what you get \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKtgY-0003CP-Ky - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:27:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKtgW-00038b-PL - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:27:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKtgV-00036l-Hi - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:27:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKtgV-00036N-8j - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:27:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKtgc-0003qD-Fo - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:27:10 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k869QfQT004907 - for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:26:50 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5629 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 09:26:42 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 6 Sep 2006 09:26:42 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k869ILT12729; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:18:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:18:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 05 Sep 2006 23:50:39 -0400) Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom @@ -12967,35 +8475,9 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKtmO-0001BH-BG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:33:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKtmM-0001AM-E2 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:33:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKtmK-00018o-K9 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:33:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKtmK-00018a-A6 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:33:04 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKtmR-0004Us-JF - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:33:11 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k869WkOR002721 - for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:32:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21248 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 09:32:48 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 6 Sep 2006 09:32:48 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k869OQ312743; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:24:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:24:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com +From: Tim Daly +To: William Stein Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> @@ -13016,26 +8498,6 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKvTo-0008VW-Ef - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:22:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKvTn-0008Ty-I3 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:22:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKvTm-0008Rn-Gl - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:22:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKvTm-0008RL-8l - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:22:02 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKvTu-0007RR-FU - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:22:10 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-15.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.15]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k86BLvSt019161; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:21:57 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 751B71A96C; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:22:18 -0500 (CDT) To: Tim Daly Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom <54d5a9ejqo.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -13044,7 +8506,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Sep 2006 06:22:18 -0500 Cc: Camm Maguire, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Nothing AFAICT in the existing build framework. I just want to | > mention that GCL unlike some other lisp systems supports both an @@ -13066,36 +8528,6 @@ two days ago and I find it useful. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKzXc-00066V-Ve - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:42:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKzXc-00064x-9s - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:42:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GKzXa-0005zr-KR - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:42:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GKzXa-0005zZ-D0 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:42:14 -0400 -Received: from [17.250.248.176] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GKzXk-0002Zz-Sc - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:42:25 -0400 -Received: from mac.com (smtpin03-en2 [10.13.10.148]) - by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout06/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id - k86Fg9SH004129; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.7] (c-24-6-153-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - [24.6.153.138]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k86Fg3U8021221 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:42:04 -0700 (PDT) - - <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609060242.k862g9x12269@localhost.localdomain> - <857239FD-2BBD-4016-AE75-3210061A8A9D@mac.com> - - <200609060924.k869OQ312743@localhost.localdomain> From: "Justin C. Walker" Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:44:13 -0700 @@ -13148,34 +8580,9 @@ I'm beginning to like the cut of his jibberish. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0IR-0008WQ-0L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:30:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0IP-0008Sz-Qr - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:30:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0IN-0008M1-Nc - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:30:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL0IN-0008Le-Ed - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:30:35 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.236] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL0IY-0002mM-Ol - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:30:46 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2989235wxc - for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:30:34 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:to:subject:from:organization:cc:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:date:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; - b=XjptmWq0pj/nfL0sFDt/8b33hW3K4HY60ip4CUJyWABpxLE7584jZ3e0VVmjd2+YMcwa+Hz2eH/5WtLZhMiOnlI/ib2QtX7461Ny7iQy+IXbllAyVdL0/kkcy+a/tc6lcEwr/fHXNuo1fPUxosby6XKEQo1RT7STErmBBFoqvVw= -Received: by 10.70.57.8 with SMTP id f8mr12341431wxa; - Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:30:34 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from sha.local ( [24.143.69.86]) - by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g2sm366945wra.2006.09.06.09.30.33; - Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:30:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> @@ -13187,7 +8594,7 @@ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:30:28 -0700 Cc: justin@mac.com, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:24:26 -0700, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:24:26 -0700, Tim Daly wrote: > William, > @@ -13203,23 +8610,6 @@ William \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0PI-00018x-76 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:37:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0PG-000161-TS - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:37:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0PE-00011H-TT - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:37:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL0PE-00010z-OK - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:37:40 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL0PP-0003pI-R5 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:37:52 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GL0P8-000593-00; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:37:34 -0400 To: Tim Daly Subject: re: cross-compiling Axiom <54d5a9ejqo.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -13230,7 +8620,7 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > > Nothing AFAICT in the existing build framework. I just want to > > mention that GCL unlike some other lisp systems supports both an @@ -13327,30 +8717,6 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0Vq-0005hw-F9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:44:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0Vo-0005fK-LC - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:44:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0Vm-0005cA-E4 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:44:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL0Vm-0005b3-1u - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:44:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL0Vw-0004yp-Lu - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:44:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 76CB068FA0; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:44:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C9A6768FB0; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:44:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:44:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbRywvanwubnZDIQP+us0qJBmqnJgABxgKw @@ -13361,23 +8727,23 @@ Cc: list, Subject: Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) On Wednesday, September 06, 2006 11:44 AM Justin C. Walker wrote: ->=20 +> > On Sep 6, 2006, at 02:24 , Tim Daly wrote: > > > > So SAGE is using Xcode and not Fink? Thus it would help future > > compatibility if I used Xcode? ->=20 -> ...=20 +> +> ... > Xcode is two things: it's a package of tools for development on > Mac OS X; and it's an IDE for working on programming/debugging/editing > tasks. -> ...=20 -> So: you need to have Xcode (the package) installed, but you don't =20 +> ... +> So: you need to have Xcode (the package) installed, but you don't > need to "use Xcode". ->=20 +> > I hope that is both clearer, and not too pedantic. ->=20 +> I think it's very clear, thank you. @@ -13406,29 +8772,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0vm-0006qS-O0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:11:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0vl-0006oC-0U - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:11:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL0vj-0006o0-Gw - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:11:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL0vj-0006nx-Du - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:11:15 -0400 -Received: from [17.250.248.171] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL0vu-0000Im-Rv - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:11:27 -0400 -Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) - by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id - k86H9ghr006451; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:09:42 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.7] (c-24-6-153-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - [24.6.153.138]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k86H9dWg009221 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin C. Walker" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:11:49 -0700 To: Bill Page @@ -13518,27 +8861,10 @@ I'm beginning to like the cut of his jibberish. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1Wx-00085R-Qx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:49:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1Ww-00081N-8W - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:49:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1Wu-0007vM-E5 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:49:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL1Wu-0007uo-3o - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:49:40 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL1X6-0004cP-00 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:49:52 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GL1Wq-0000KB-00; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:49:36 -0400 To: Bill Page From: Camm Maguire Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:49:35 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB Greetings! @@ -13622,49 +8948,25 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1lv-0006k4-LY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:05:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1lu-0006ji-RA - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:05:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1ls-0006gP-KD - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:05:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL1ls-0006g5-CO - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:05:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL1m4-0005nX-Bd - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:05:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8812468E77; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:05:07 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5B5E468F9A; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:05:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:04:50 -0400 Thread-Topic: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB Thread-Index: AcbR3NYwafORayM9SK2Urjn9dqPQkwAAHKmA From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: RE: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:50 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: -> ...=20 -> > >=20 +> ... +> > > > > > In src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet: > > > > > > ---------- -> > >=20 +> > > > > > ;; ($ERASE filearg) -> 0 if succeeds else 1 > > > (defun $erase (&rest filearg) > > > (setq filearg (make-full-namestring filearg)) @@ -13676,19 +8978,19 @@ On Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:50 PM you wrote: > > > (delete-directory filearg) > > > (delete-file filearg)) > > > 1)) -> > >=20 +> > > > > > ---------- -> > >=20 -> > ...=20 +> > > +> > ... > > However I remain a little uncertain if 'directory' is really > > the proper way to check for the existence of a file or > > directory in common lisp? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > 1) I think you want (null (pathname-name (truename filearg))) > > 2) or (and (directory filearg) (not (probe-file filearg))) ->=20 +> Sorry, I still feel a little "dense" about this. Could you take a minute to translate these two expressions for me? I want @@ -13715,23 +9017,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1qx-00052V-Br - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:10:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1qw-00051J-89 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:10:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL1qv-00050A-FL - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:10:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL1qv-000507-Cf - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:10:21 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL1r7-0006xL-Kw - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:10:33 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GL1qr-0000UU-00; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:10:17 -0400 To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov <44FACBFC.30106@mail.ru> From: Camm Maguire @@ -13794,28 +9079,6 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL4oJ-0005qW-H5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:19:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL4oH-0005nJ-Vr - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:19:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL4oE-0005fC-1O - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:19:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL4oD-0005ex-Sg - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:19:45 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.73] (helo=web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL4oS-00028H-0W - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:20:00 -0400 -Received: (qmail 96020 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 21:19:36 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=caaEJ5NOMIiAEdN4jE3EVbwULILAOYV/mPozXx7Iw+KFN1DYBQfK5coTf8fwAmluqfajQlZ+sSOx1WTygUIQUgMLajj4hJT83UIPFfnhOTmmJoKNyIYnWttqfmVuexjmhBpUgIJRmItz1slmB173c/WGsZhSh5xmOp3th+dOaq4= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:19:35 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Camm Maguire, Tim Daly @@ -13843,23 +9106,6 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL5f8-0001AL-L9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:14:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL5f7-00017v-Bc - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:14:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL5f6-00017j-OS - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:14:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5f6-00017g-LO - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:14:24 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL5fL-0007e9-9t - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:14:39 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GL5f2-0003GW-00; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:14:20 -0400 To: Cliff Yapp From: Camm Maguire Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:14:19 -0400 @@ -13907,41 +9153,17 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL5rQ-0004sy-68 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:27:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL5rO-0004sI-Ow - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:27:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL5rN-0004rY-Vz - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:27:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL5rN-0004rG-MC - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:27:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL5rc-0000LU-9a - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:27:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 95B3768E0A; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D4E3E68E07; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:27:01 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:26:58 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki Thread-Index: AcbR8AY2xbI9pJEtQOarxIvhTbG76AABWoPg From: Bill Page To: "David Harvey" , - -Cc: axiom-dev , sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net + Tom Boothby +Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki On September 06, 2006 8:54 AM David Harvey wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > It would be utterly insane to have the SAGE code available > to edit wiki-style. > ... @@ -13987,10 +9209,10 @@ fact is that these features of the Axiom wiki web site have not been extensively used to Axiom developers and users and remain essentially only an experimental aspect of the web site. ->=20 +> > On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:46 PM, Tom Boothby wrote: ->=20 -> > I see wikipedia as a great success in open authoring. Most =20 +> +> > I see wikipedia as a great success in open authoring. Most > > mischievous edits are caught pretty quickly. I don't think > > that SAGE would be much different -- just to a smaller scale. > @@ -14033,7 +9255,7 @@ code and documentation is largely determined by two factors: > a shred of difference if someone changes all the Catalan numbers > to Dogalan numbers (yes, that actually happened). But I would > be really pissed off if someone decided that it would be cool -> to see how SAGE would work if i^2 was +1 instead of -1.=20 +> to see how SAGE would work if i^2 was +1 instead of -1. > ... Certainly one thing that is remarkable about wikipedia is the @@ -14050,13 +9272,13 @@ actually contributes to this sense of ownership. Wouldn't it be great if we were able to harness some of this human energy for the improvement of computer algebra systems! ->=20 +> > >> If there's a level of protection as William described, i.e. -> >> changes need human review before getting sent to the master=20 +> >> changes need human review before getting sent to the master > >> repository, then I have absolutely no objection, and I think > >> it's a very interesting idea. > > -> > There should definitely be a couple of layers of protection. =20 +> > There should definitely be a couple of layers of protection. > > Ultimately, my plan was to let the wiki essentially manage a > > darcs repository -- that was how I was planning to let a user > > pull patches down from the wiki. William could still manage @@ -14069,7 +9291,7 @@ is that it does not seem urgent since almost no one has come forward wishing to contribute to Axiom in this way. (The sole exception being online editing of the Axiom Tutorial book.) -> I've heard of something like this before, but in the other=20 +> I've heard of something like this before, but in the other > direction. I heard about someone trying to use svn as a backend > to manage the data for a wiki. Can't remember where I saw this > though... probably on one of the wikipedia tech mailing lists. @@ -14078,12 +9300,12 @@ Yes, this has been done for example as an extension of the Zope application layer on which the ZWiki engine using on the Axiom website is based. ->=20 +> > I'm a bit puzzled by this though... "let the wiki essentially > manage a darcs repository". Does this mean you would need a > nice programmer's text editor in a web page? I haven't seen such > a thing before. ->=20 +> Yes, this is provided on the Axiom wiki via an "external editor" function. After appropriately configuring their browsers, users @@ -14110,41 +9332,17 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL6h4-00016L-D0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:20:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL6h2-00011Y-4Y - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:20:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL6h0-0000zQ-4a - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:20:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL6h0-0000zA-0t - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:20:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL6hE-0004VE-W8 - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:20:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 277D268DB6; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:20:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id ECF6168DA6; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:20:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:20:23 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki Thread-Index: AcbR8AY2xbI9pJEtQOarxIvhTbG76AABWoPgAASfK9A= From: Bill Page To: "David Harvey" , - -Cc: axiom-dev , sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net + Tom Boothby +Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki On Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:27 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Certainly one thing that is remarkable about wikipedia is the > response of wikipedia and it's contributors to instances of > "mischievous edits" (or worse). The integrity of the encyclopedia @@ -14155,7 +9353,7 @@ On Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:27 PM I wrote: > even be inclined to suspect that "mischievous edits", when not > allowed to overrun the really interesting and reliable content > actually contributes to this sense of ownership. ->=20 +> > Wouldn't it be great if we were able to harness some of this > human energy for the improvement of computer algebra systems! > ... @@ -14206,43 +9404,18 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL74Z-0005YU-Rq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:44:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL74Y-0005Xe-FT - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:44:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL74X-0005VI-MO - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:44:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL74X-0005Uy-Iu - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:44:45 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GL74m-0006ST-Ko - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:45:00 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id - k86NicF4018886 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:44:38 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k86NibX2018883; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:44:37 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:44:37 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: re: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki - David Harvey , boothby@u.washington.edu, - axiom-dev , + David Harvey , Tom Boothby, + list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: boothby@u.washington.edu, David Harvey , - axiom-dev , sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net +Cc: Tom Boothby, David Harvey , + list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW @@ -14302,37 +9475,13 @@ iD8DBQFE/11ljwioWRGe9K0RAuFcAKDPP6YaBYRsX2clyrAeMLirzUHYFQCfZLbc \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL8Ol-0006zD-T6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:09:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL8Ok-0006wE-Mh - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:09:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GL8Oh-0006o2-Gp - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:09:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GL8Oh-0006nh-7R - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:09:39 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GL8Ox-0006tS-CJ - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:09:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9DFCF68E77; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:09:37 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6D4B268ED7; - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:09:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:09:35 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbR13pLYjUuT2fKQAm/FNilvsstWwAQLhog From: Bill Page To: "Justin C. Walker" Cc: waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, - William Stein , list + William Stein, list Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) @@ -14359,7 +9508,7 @@ Apple Developer site or on your Mac OS X installation CDs/DVD." Apparently GCL has already been ported: -http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ports/?by=3Dname&substr=3Dgcl +http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ports/?by=name&substr=gcl "gcl 2.6.6 GNU Common Lisp @@ -14384,28 +9533,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLA9a-00015t-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:02:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLA9Y-00015k-Ur - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:02:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLA9X-00015Y-8m - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:02:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLA9X-00015V-5G - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:02:07 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.61] (helo=web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLA9o-0000Wq-Bw - for list; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:02:24 -0400 -Received: (qmail 97276 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2006 03:02:06 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=oiyg8I1cLjbEGut311N9hZ2DSkjcf3LjKwZG7z+vdv1cisrL9LPErIroNIavEymrh6a+Qfz1jAQy4jHN+8GYBtjdH1+MUVU2dEeU3D0pCT9wvgEMXVr4/e9P53ThaZlbGcx31PA1TMrl0XDduzfEeVE1oCuc2EKps2PrMihP5SM= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:02:06 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Camm Maguire @@ -14445,35 +9572,10 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLL9p-00051Z-Pl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:47:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLL5B-0004HP-1v - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:42:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLL5A-0004Fz-0I - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:42:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLL59-0004Fi-Mc - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:42:19 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.202] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLL5X-0001IC-Pk - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:42:43 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so141368nzf - for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; - b=bHJzjlYSJm+NOq26o6NcPyS8yK4VqeeT4vbNvpjUsay1+d5rkBHzVF+zeFvgqw3HK7hXmt7cod6O/Wh5Zo3HU6mx/24/7M830pl6/AvJ9O+vNkcBWEG6yr11e0/aNBksp3zc5TGxDXFe9E3OMXadpzb9hCVa1hX35OC4IjkUjCk= -Received: by 10.65.234.3 with SMTP id l3mr276424qbr; - Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?192.168.1.11? 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Walker" , William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -14504,36 +9606,12 @@ On Sep 6, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Page, Bill wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLLk7-00029M-8R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:24:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLLk5-00022k-1L - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:24:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLLk3-0001zB-K7 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:24:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLLk3-0001yf-8W - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:24:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLLkR-0005iK-Mr - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:24:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3F7456964F; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8BC856964B; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:24:30 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:24:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbSi9YxRpdTi1vATcyXiJ2CzK5BZQAA9IIg From: Bill Page To: "Waqar Malik" -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein , +Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -14541,7 +9619,7 @@ Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully On Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:42 AM Waqar Malik wrote: -> I be glad to help with Axiom, but I have not used=20 +> I be glad to help with Axiom, but I have not used > Axiom, so I have not tried to compile it. Thank you, thank you! @@ -14554,7 +9632,7 @@ The two other main parts of Axiom: Hyperdoc and Graphics, run as separate processes, are written entirely in C and communicate with AXIOMsys via sockets. ->=20 +> > Couple of things to remember about gcl port, I have not updated > to the latest release (2.6.7) and I have not compiled it on > Intel machines yet, I will have to spend some time to verify @@ -14581,24 +9659,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLLlT-0004PO-5n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:26:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLLlR-0004PD-Ja - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:26:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLLlQ-0004Ox-So - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:26:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLLlQ-0004Ou-Nd - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:26:00 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLLlp-0005qi-2n - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:26:25 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Sep 2006 15:25:55 -0000 -Received: from p549F4F41.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.79.65] - by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 07 Sep 2006 17:25:55 +0200 To: list From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:26:02 +0200 @@ -14700,35 +9760,10 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLM2p-0006pn-B0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:43:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLM2n-0006oU-Jq - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:43:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLM2k-0006lF-Gh - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:43:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLM2k-0006ky-BA - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:43:54 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=nz-out-0102.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLM39-0007wQ-0U - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:44:19 -0400 -Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so156872nzf - for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; - b=QZKzyTCPUhJ1F8b6UeCywMgaeiKBrr+dqnZDSqgg2xlEtE61iSMku7XA51k0KGfA455IHwv5fcmaKRtKbniCMeitBX/QotHzSaZIH54tpJGTvrJLQq/Q4DrRjSKwGe5A5/N7bC4s+K3hY3NDwA2zW2iG9JN4vBpfT0bqpKjYy9Y= -Received: by 10.65.250.11 with SMTP id c11mr378980qbs; - Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:43:53 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?192.168.1.12? 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Walker" , William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -14786,34 +9821,8 @@ On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Page, Bill wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMD5-0005ZR-FA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:54:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMD4-0005ZK-Bq - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:54:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMD2-0005Z2-Cd - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:54:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLMD2-0005Yn-96 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:54:32 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLMDR-00018C-0q - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:54:57 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k87Fs6fO015072 - for ; 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Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:58:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMH5-0004oR-V2 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:58:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMH3-0004kq-Lz - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:58:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLMH2-0004jS-SW - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:58:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLMHR-0001pp-76 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:59:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B9B12694BA; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6B7F0696E8; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:58:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:58:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom @@ -14926,13 +9885,13 @@ From: Bill Page To: "Kai Kaminski" Cc: list -Kai,=20 +Kai, On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:26 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Now that I've presented a list of Lisp GUI libraries, let me argue -> that it is irrelevant.=20 ->=20 +> that it is irrelevant. +> > I do not see any reason why a GUI for Axiom has to be written in > Lisp. Why not write a GUI for Axiom in Python or Java or C++? Why > does every GUI have to be portable? Why should there be only one @@ -14940,7 +9899,7 @@ On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:26 AM you wrote: +1 Right on! -> ...=20 +> ... > The solution is to separate the GUI from the Axiom core and make > GUI programming easier. The former is pretty easy, just get rid > of the GUI code in $AXIOM/src. That would also get rid of most of @@ -14949,7 +9908,7 @@ On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:26 AM you wrote: Yes. ->=20 +> > For a GUI to be more useful than an Axiom terminal session, it needs > to be able to understand Axiom's output to some extent. It also needs > the ability to query Axiom for all kinds of information, ... @@ -14958,7 +9917,7 @@ Yes. > versions of itself, and make it available over a socket using a > simple (in every programming language) clear-text protocol. Done. > Sooner or later someone will write a GUI then. ->=20 +> I believe that is an excellent suggestion. @@ -15004,31 +9963,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMZK-0004dL-Pe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:17:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMZJ-0004ay-5s - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:17:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMZI-0004Ym-CO - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:17:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLMZI-0004YL-3k - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:17:32 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLMZh-0004RW-1r - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:17:57 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id - k87GHPuo001867 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k87GHPl6001864; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Kai Kaminski @@ -15111,26 +10045,6 @@ mEvH48hFle3pllzaddH8Gaw= \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMyj-0003FC-TH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:43:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMyh-00037q-Ra - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:43:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLMyg-00033b-NG - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:43:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLMyg-00033K-Id - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:43:46 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLMz5-0006pm-N3 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:44:11 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k87GhdSt003554; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:43:40 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id D87BE1A97C; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:44:01 -0500 (CDT) To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom <200609071545.k87FjmU13729@localhost.localdomain> @@ -15138,7 +10052,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Sep 2006 11:44:01 -0500 Cc: Kai Kaminski, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -15161,30 +10075,6 @@ option... (supported on windows, mac, unix/linux boxes). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLN7p-0003n4-OE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:53:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLN7o-0003mH-Hp - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:53:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLN7m-0003lY-6E - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:53:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLN7l-0003lT-Q2 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:53:09 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLN8B-0007lG-4x - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:53:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9A1F06980E; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:53:08 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DDDC769828; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:53:07 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:53:02 -0400 Thread-Topic: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom @@ -15194,11 +10084,11 @@ To: Tim Daly Cc: list, Kai Kaminski On Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:46 AM Tim Daly wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Lisp programs are amazingly portable. It took all of 5 minutes > to move my work project (a 20k+ line lisp porgram) from Linux -> to Windows.=20 -> ....=20 +> to Windows. +> .... Hmmm. If you ever get a chance, maybe you could try this trick with Kai Kaminski's AxiomUI code? :) It's written entirely in @@ -15213,30 +10103,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLNdE-00035l-M1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:25:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLNdD-00034T-HV - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:25:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLNdB-00032r-RP - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:25:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLNdB-00032Q-Bz - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:25:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLNdb-0003KF-25 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:26:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9848F69938; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:25:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 64C2369674; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:25:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:25:34 -0400 Thread-Topic: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom @@ -15249,7 +10115,7 @@ Alfredo, On Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:00 PM you asked: -> Can you tell me where I can checkout the source of Kai's=20 +> Can you tell me where I can checkout the source of Kai's > AxiomUI (svn, darcs..). See @@ -15276,24 +10142,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLOpp-0005Rc-LX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:42:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLOpn-0005OB-Fx - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:42:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLOpm-0005Mn-Td - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:42:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLOpm-0005Md-QY - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:42:42 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLOqC-00086s-TP - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:43:09 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Sep 2006 18:42:39 -0000 -Received: from p549F4F41.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.79.65] - by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 07 Sep 2006 20:42:39 +0200 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom <200609071545.k87FjmU13729@localhost.localdomain> @@ -15302,7 +10150,7 @@ From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:42:46 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >> I do not see any reason why a GUI for Axiom has to be written in >> Lisp. Why not write a GUI for Axiom in Python or Java or C++? Why does @@ -15346,24 +10194,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLOq9-0005z1-1X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:43:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLOq6-0005vM-LA - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:43:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLOq4-0005s4-MQ - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:43:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLOq4-0005rS-5W - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:43:00 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLOqU-00087r-87 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:43:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Sep 2006 18:42:57 -0000 -Received: from p549F4F41.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.79.65] - by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 07 Sep 2006 20:42:57 +0200 To: list Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom From: Kai Kaminski @@ -15418,33 +10248,10 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLP0l-0002fd-8W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:54:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLP0j-0002bE-29 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:54:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLP0i-0002Zx-JO - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:54:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLP05-0000nf-9x - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:53:21 -0400 -Received: from [17.250.248.183] (helo=smtpout.mac.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLP0V-0000Ul-L8 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:53:47 -0400 -Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) - by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout13/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id - k87IrCHh016929; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:53:12 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from [192.168.2.7] (c-24-6-153-138.hsd1.ca.comcast.net - [24.6.153.138]) (authenticated bits=0) - by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k87Ir864000614 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:53:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin C. 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- Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:05:56 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E9F6368DD3; - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:05:55 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:05:55 -0400 Thread-Topic: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom @@ -15842,7 +10542,7 @@ To: "Kai Kaminski" Cc: list > Bob McElrath writes: ->=20 +> > > As far as drawing graphs, why not just dump out a graph in > > any kind of portable format (e.g. postscript, pdf, svg, etc). > > A front-end can parse it and display it. There are many @@ -15911,7 +10611,7 @@ graphic method in gnuplot. > As for the GUI, different people will prefer different plotters > (layout, output formats, ...). ->=20 +> Long ago at the end of the previous century when Axiom was younger and the developers more optimistic ... ;) ... Axiom @@ -15963,27 +10663,10 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLRES-0008Fj-NU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLREQ-0008CB-Qr - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLREO-00089Y-Ny - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLREO-00088i-An - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:16 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLREq-0006nH-6V - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:44 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GLREI-00030B-00; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:10 -0400 To: Bill Page From: Camm Maguire Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:16:10 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB Greetings! @@ -16098,26 +10781,6 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLRGB-0003vo-Go - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Even though we pass all the ansi tests. At the moment, the > best I can think of is ->=20 -> (or (probe-file filearg) (=3D 1 (length (directory filearg)))) ->=20 +> +> (or (probe-file filearg) (= 1 (length (directory filearg)))) +> > We can change this if it is deemed insufficient, and/or add a -> si::stat function.=20 +> si::stat function. > ... Yes. I prefer the (si:stat filearg) function: @@ -16570,33 +11131,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLS3e-00049w-MQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:09:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLS3d-00049A-GR - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:09:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLS3b-000485-C8 - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:09:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLS3a-00047g-TF - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:09:10 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.233] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLS43-0004e3-8l - for list; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:09:39 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so455585wxc - for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:09:10 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; - b=RIAUfdp/OJFt1BHsZTkWFoPAy+uLAgB/ABTM425vLeMcxTa0tVEOdpbeB735L153ZhXzOoWLe/N6r45aizBak7XSx3QJM919vZJMxkGQA7cCYT1V864OX1mIWNQRlGzaKZCG4HOEyo6zUjWDvF6DwrTPfREjW11LVo+sMf7R42s= -Received: by 10.70.37.12 with SMTP id k12mr1505979wxk; - Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:09:09 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from ?10.21.7.175? 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From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -17080,23 +11537,6 @@ Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLe6q-0004Uv-1u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:01:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLe6n-0004TV-Nc - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:01:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLe6m-0004Sx-6E - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:01:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLe6m-0004Ss-2P - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:01:16 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLe7L-0002Hn-Q2 - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:01:52 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GLe6d-0000XC-00; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:01:07 +0200 Subject: Re: Build-improvements - noweb required? To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:01:07 +0200 (CEST) @@ -17140,24 +11580,6 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLeJ2-0002c7-3b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:13:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLeJ0-0002Z3-IB - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:13:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLeIz-0002X7-PE - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:13:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLeIz-0002Wl-E3 - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:13:53 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLeJZ-00040r-9M - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:14:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Sep 2006 11:13:51 -0000 -Received: from p549F4CF2.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.76.242] - by mail.gmx.net (mp042) with SMTP; 08 Sep 2006 13:13:51 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI <878xkvjpn1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -17194,26 +11616,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLg9d-0005De-H8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:12:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLg9c-0005Aw-8r - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:12:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLg9a-000593-QW - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:12:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLg9a-00058w-Nj - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:12:18 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLgAB-0008JG-Rx - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:12:56 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k88DCGSt026878; - Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:12:16 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 5D5B51A980; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:12:40 -0500 (CDT) To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Build-improvements - noweb required? From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -17265,24 +11667,6 @@ directory. Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLgpp-0002PQ-Sk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:55:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLgpn-0002KN-Q8 - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:55:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLgpm-0002Hw-Jb - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:55:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLgpm-0002HL-DW - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:55:54 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLgqN-0003vE-3c - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:56:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Sep 2006 13:55:51 -0000 -Received: from p549F6918.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.105.24] - by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 08 Sep 2006 15:55:51 +0200 To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI From: Kai Kaminski @@ -17614,31 +11998,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLhIv-0001sv-8J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:26:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLhIt-0001sB-Ee - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:25:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLhIq-0001ry-OS - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:25:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLhIq-0001rv-Is - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:25:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLhJS-0006wz-Fm - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:26:34 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GLhIk-0004B5-QH; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:25:50 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GLhIk-00050J-PC; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:25:50 +0200 To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI @@ -17692,27 +12051,8 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLhmQ-0000z7-4n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:56:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLhmO-0000xX-71 - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:56:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLhmM-0000vd-WD - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:56:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLhmM-0000vW-T2 - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:56:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GLhmy-0001Vv-QI - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:57:05 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k88EtiZo020433; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:56:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly Subject: RE: Build-improvements - noweb required? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:55:43 -0400 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -17831,32 +12171,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLi6G-0002Ch-F3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:17:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLi6F-0002A8-1F - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:16:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GLi6B-00022l-0P - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:16:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GLi6A-00022Q-Nn - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:16:54 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GLi6m-00042y-W4 - for list; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:17:33 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187D42C83; - Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:16:50 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060C32C5C; 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To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:13:12 +0200 (CEST) @@ -18370,26 +12602,6 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMBOB-000402-0G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:33:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMBOA-0003zx-4V - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:33:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMBO7-0003zk-6T - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:33:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMBO7-0003zh-1C - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:33:23 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMBP1-0004kj-CQ - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:34:19 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-23.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.23]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k89MXHSt007306; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:33:18 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 96F1A1A984; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:33:46 -0500 (CDT) To: Waldek Hebisch From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:06:32 -0500 @@ -18421,23 +12633,6 @@ It is now fixed. Sorry for that. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMEvi-0003J2-VZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:20:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMEvc-0003DM-21 - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:20:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMEvZ-0003Aa-FI - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:20:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMEvZ-0003AC-52 - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:20:09 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMEwV-0003xs-Ra - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:21:08 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GMEvN-0006Od-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:19:57 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 04:19:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch @@ -18481,32 +12676,6 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMF12-0006qD-Qc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:25:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMF10-0006pQ-SN - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:25:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMF10-0006ov-32 - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:25:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMF0z-0006or-Tr - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:25:45 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMF1w-0004JZ-HB - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:26:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D811AB2; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:25:43 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566D81A24; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:25:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C917482B99; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:25:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch @@ -18560,26 +12729,6 @@ Thanks for your patience. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGLn-0005c6-79 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:51:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGLl-0005an-BN - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:51:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGLh-0005XN-NY - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMGLh-0005XK-BU - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:51:13 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMGMe-0004mz-PZ - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:52:13 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-23.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.23]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8A3pBSt015774 - for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:51:12 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 70A241A984; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:51:41 -0500 (CDT) To: list From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Sep 2006 22:51:41 -0500 @@ -18593,23 +12742,6 @@ Has anyone run that file successfully through latex? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGNk-0006MB-Dz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:53:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGNi-0006M5-Ho - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:53:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGNi-0006Lt-0Y - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:53:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMGNh-0006Lq-UJ - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:53:17 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMGOf-0004tO-CK - for list; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:54:17 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GMGNX-0001a1-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:53:07 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:53:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch @@ -18680,32 +12812,6 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGZu-000662-Qu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:05:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGZs-00065x-TO - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:05:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMGZq-00065l-Ha - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:05:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMGZq-00065i-C4 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:05:50 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMGan-0005tp-VV - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:06:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9CC11A9; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:05:48 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BC81192; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:05:46 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7898582B99; - Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:05:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:05:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch @@ -18750,28 +12856,6 @@ Many thanks for your patience and help. I'll keep you updated. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMLNm-0006QC-5M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:13:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMLNh-0006Pt-Ki - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:13:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMLNf-0006PY-SN - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:13:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMLNf-0006PO-Ch - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:13:35 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMLOg-0001IG-2T - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:14:38 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8A9DSHH018870 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:13:29 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:13:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -18806,28 +12890,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMMMM-0005N5-CD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:16:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMMMJ-0005MX-Lf - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:16:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMMMI-0005MK-HD - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMMMI-0005MH-56 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:16:14 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMMNJ-0006st-Ac - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:17:17 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8AAG7HH019873 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:16:08 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:16:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -18860,34 +12922,8 @@ On 09/10/2006 05:51 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMNJw-0004jY-PM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:17:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMNJu-0004hE-H4 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:17:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMNJs-0004dQ-QI - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:17:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMNJs-0004dF-OF - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:17:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMNKu-0007vT-Pq - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:18:52 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8ABHKBq017748 - for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:17:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 24073 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 11:17:22 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 10 Sep 2006 11:17:22 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8AB8rv24282; - Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:08:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:08:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke 10 Sep 2006 12:16:32 +0200) Subject: Re: DeveloperNotes.pamphlet @@ -18938,35 +12974,13 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMPSl-0002ZY-5e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:35:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMPSj-0002ZO-Bi - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:35:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMPSg-0002Xi-RZ - for list; 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This is likely to increase > rather than decrease. This should be expected as we depend more @@ -19026,34 +13040,8 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMPYK-0007Pk-Ts - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:40:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMPYI-0007NK-Vt - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:40:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMPYI-0007Mo-C0 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:40:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMPYI-0007Mf-6X - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:40:50 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMPZL-0004KT-E2 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:41:55 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8ADeQAK013356 - for ; 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- Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:15:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:14:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -19285,35 +13225,9 @@ successfully. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQ7L-0003um-RF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:17:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQ7K-0003so-C0 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:17:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQ7J-0003r7-NW - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:17:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMQ7J-0003qu-Jt - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:17:01 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMQ8N-0007OK-3a - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:18:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E4E402F; 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- Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:42:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:42:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -19672,28 +13464,6 @@ Thanks. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQlh-0004hD-CZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:58:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQlf-0004fJ-Ko - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:58:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQld-0004eh-2y - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:58:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMQlc-0004ee-V0 - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:58:40 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GMQmg-0002VO-Mp - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:59:47 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8AEwZHH030205 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:58:36 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:59:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -19724,34 +13494,8 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQsJ-0002jc-8R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:05:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQsH-0002ez-JM - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:05:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMQsF-0002YM-2G - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:05:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMQsE-0002Xz-RJ - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:05:30 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMQtI-0003J6-ST - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:06:37 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8AF5Ff6001807 - for ; 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- Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:47:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: DeveloperNotes.pamphlet <45042259.3090401@hemmecke.de> @@ -19895,28 +13587,6 @@ axiom.sty and friends. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMRhq-00043D-Mh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:58:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMRho-00042r-Ft - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:58:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMRhn-00042Q-QA - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:58:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMRhn-00042M-OG - for list; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:58:47 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.68] (helo=web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMRis-000803-6U - for list; 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- Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:25:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:25:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom.silver <200609111600.k8BG0J925189@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -21208,40 +14621,14 @@ errors. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMogF-0000WM-Kg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:30:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMogD-0000UA-F9 - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:30:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMogC-0000TN-P5 - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:30:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMogC-0000T9-KE - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:30:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMohV-0005se-GL - for list; 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- Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:36:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:36:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom.silver <200609111600.k8BG0J925189@localhost.localdomain> @@ -21312,34 +14673,8 @@ sure :-) But, I prefered to know upfront whether that might cause any \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMovR-0006LI-Mn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMovQ-0006Ku-9i - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMovN-0006Ke-Vk - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMovN-0006Kb-Oe - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:46:21 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMowg-0007at-MB - for list; 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I do not yet know how to build > | Axiom on a MAC. There has been a recent suggestion that we > | use Xcode and I'm pursuing that path. ->=20 +> > Tim -- ->=20 +> > Jacob is a student at TAMU taking my class on symbolic > computations. He is interested in provisos -- I suspect at > some point he may get into touch with you. He is trying to > build Axiom for his class work. ->=20 +> > From what I understand, Bill has been able to build the > build-improvements branch with some patches from Camm (which > I believe I already put in build-improvements). @@ -21447,15 +14758,15 @@ compile farm - specifically on the OS X build. But SourceForge currently has a network configuration problem which prevents me from accessing their servers: -https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=3Ddetail&atid=3D200001&aid=3D155345= +https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=155345= 6&gro -up_id=3D1 +up_id=1 > I have a fix for the debian failure. Once that is in, I would > like to make a tarball of build-improvements available from > axiom-developer.org or from SF (whichever is OK with you). > This is to remove the "random" checkout errors. ->=20 +> I also continue to see some svn checkout errors. In some cases on some platforms this seems to be a recoverable error by just @@ -21475,36 +14786,13 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMuSH-0007AA-Tx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:40:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMuSG-00079e-4N - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:40:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMuSD-00079R-Nq - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:40:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMuSD-00079O-JX - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:40:37 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.227] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMuTZ-0003kW-SM - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:42:02 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1991758wxc - for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:40:36 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=LIE/V2Ktg9XHaFo/+Dmpx6Fmau395TAXEowu9PqRM/F9xrKZ6EndEaVtBBWxFLrEMYeiLnOUhsAbwb0obONI6pKhesP5As5LgvDxtYlUpgleMeo7LPlA99Kcs2Uk63oMpuEJpRnqkKXsr0JdRpKelL+il2KJwnue0NOjPuGzXus= -Received: by 10.90.54.20 with SMTP id c20mr1948211aga; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:40:36 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:40:36 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom.silver boundary="----=_Part_128619_3315567.1158014436158" -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list, +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, Gabriel Dos Reis ------=_Part_128619_3315567.1158014436158 @@ -21556,37 +14844,13 @@ axiom-developer.org server? Then at least we would have an
alternate site \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMulm-0005Mm-Rs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMulk-0005MN-Db - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMuli-0005Lz-UB - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMuli-0005Lw-Ko - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMun5-0004rn-18 - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:02:11 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 96E9A6B3F2; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 638206B563; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:42 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: axiom.silver Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:00:38 -0400 Thread-Topic: axiom.silver Thread-Index: AcbV81cHD+CckvacT7eEb8SbLnjGugAATRqw From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list, +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, Gabriel Dos Reis On Monday, September 11, 2006 6:41 PM Jose Alfredo Perez wrote: @@ -21620,37 +14884,11 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMvAu-0002kY-Rx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:26:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMvAs-0002kM-Kf - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:26:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMvAp-0002k9-O7 - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:26:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMvAp-0002k6-Lt - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:26:43 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMvCC-0006dO-D1 - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:28:08 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D883419DF; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:26:41 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D725193C; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:26:40 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDC782B95; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:26:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: axiom.silver -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Page, Bill wrote: @@ -21735,7 +14973,7 @@ is the good way to fix that problem. | currently has a network configuration problem which prevents me | from accessing their servers: | -| https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=1553456&gro +| https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid0001&aid=1553456&gro | up_id=1 Yes. 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Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:37:01 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: axiom.silver From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Sep 2006 02:37:00 +0200 -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -21951,34 +15114,8 @@ Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMyX2-0007uD-GO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:01:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMyX0-0007s6-C6 - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:01:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GMyWy-0007qA-Ua - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:01:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GMyWy-0007pq-GO - for list; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:01:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMyYN-0005SD-CZ - for list; 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  I just got your new email address. You \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN0Pu-0003EU-AO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN0Pt-0003EP-FA - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN0Pr-0003ED-Re - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN0Pr-0003EA-Ju - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GN0RH-00053l-Kx - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:04:03 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B66FC6AB99; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:34 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F14C06AB0D; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: axiom.silver Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:02:32 -0400 Thread-Topic: axiom.silver Thread-Index: AcbWJue5tyErjCXUQdGOYviEzaXzFwAAWTVg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list Alfredo, On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:50 AM you wrote: > ... -> I will commit the Silver source as an initial test.=20 +> I will commit the Silver source as an initial test. Ok. @@ -23216,41 +16167,18 @@ I added a few extra links to the project page. Looks nice. Regards, -Bill Page.=20 +Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN0qJ-0007xE-GW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:29:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN0qH-0007x2-Ad - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:29:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN0qE-0007wp-Rb - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:29:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN0qE-0007wm-LZ - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:29:50 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.234] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GN0rf-0006YH-2i - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:31:19 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2115049wxc - for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=nRWUU3fw/yFK4xGhEiSrBn9UskacUYPLq2uB7WLB43wdd57th6Das8G2Jpe9Jg/neDe0ihQz7GJdde4sgGLy+Ff1PJD4Y1phGdjFNTh7gcuLSvIyWyFCoA76vkzB3j6S3LNcg/HM5yVY0ygG6gmhg8rgFiet5VOhoRtE2RcRSOA= -Received: by 10.90.113.20 with SMTP id l20mr1972458agc; - Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:29:49 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:29:49 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom.silver boundary="----=_Part_134789_13870547.1158038989671" -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list ------=_Part_134789_13870547.1158038989671 @@ -23271,48 +16199,24 @@ Tim,

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=20 +> > I've long errouneously blamed GCL. Detailed investigation turned > out top be an Axiom doing. Fixed thusly. ->=20 +> > Tested on: ->=20 +> > * i686-pc-linux with GCL and noweb installed > * x86_64-suse-linux without GCL and with noweb installed ->=20 +> > Bill, if you can give it a try on mac, that would be very > appreciated. > @@ -23360,22 +16264,22 @@ $ nohup make& $ tail -f nohup.out ... -46 Environment : PLF=3DLINUXplatform CCF=3D-O2 -fno-strength-reduce = +46 Environment : PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce = -Wall --D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform LDF=3D CC=3Dgcc AWK=3D RANLIB=3Dranlib = -TOUCH=3Dtouch -TAR=3D AXIOMXLROOT=3D/home/page/axiom-build/mnt/linux/compiler O=3Do = -BYE=3Dbye -LISP=3Dlsp DAASE=3D/home/page/axiom.build-improvements/src/share -GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd ---enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 SRCDIRS=3Dbootdir interpdir sharedir = +-D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform LDF= CC=gcc AWK= RANLIB=ranlib = +TOUCH=touch +TAR= AXIOMXLROOT=/home/page/axiom-build/mnt/linux/compiler O=o = +BYE=bye +LISP=lsp DAASE=/home/page/axiom.build-improvements/src/share +GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-statsysbfd +--enable-maxpage=256*1024 SRCDIRS=bootdir interpdir sharedir = algebradir -etcdir clefdir docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=3Dpatch +etcdir clefdir docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=patch make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/page/axiom-build' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/page/axiom-build' -$ export AXIOM=3D/home/page/axiom-build/mnt/linux -$ export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +$ export AXIOM=/home/page/axiom-build/mnt/linux +$ export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH $ AXIOMsys GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.8 CLtL1 Sep 11 2006 21:48:34 Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl) @@ -23418,36 +16322,11 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN22g-00024w-2k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:46:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN22e-00024k-Me - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:46:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN22c-00024J-IG - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:46:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN22c-00024G-F3 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:46:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GN243-0003i0-H4 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:48:11 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GN22V-0005mC-OR; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:46:35 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GN22V-0003aM-MP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:46:35 +0200 To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Sep 2006 08:46:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Live CD for Conference (urgent) Dear Alfredo, Bill, @@ -23479,34 +16358,11 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2LB-00021q-TO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:05:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2LA-00021f-Hc - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:05:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2LA-00021T-4O - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:05:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GN2L9-00021Q-Qa - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:05:51 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.226] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GN2Mb-00053R-29 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:07:21 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2139827wxc - for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:51 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=JKJPfLeFJ4dv09+gD6zUEhu73Tc1Xy6pfksGGaLbvfgnN7fqL4d5ViQn0bBLZ9E4D96oA2DDZtWiPms90iaQhGyje3YtPmMoL0roIC9cH1guc/BCr9OLaHqz6iqZdTBFoScTrmIih+vNHtuSiEJG7ZGNflVtKJtIOQuUCmZk4gA= -Received: by 10.90.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr1977947agy; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:50 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:05:50 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey boundary="----=_Part_135905_2781365.1158044750659" -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: Live CD for Conference (urgent) ------=_Part_135905_2781365.1158044750659 @@ -23584,36 +16440,11 @@ Dear Alfredo, Bill,

as you probably know, I'm going to present my guessin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2TT-0004r7-Dc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:14:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2TR-0004qE-K0 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:14:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2TP-0004pF-TL - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:14:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2TP-0004pC-Pk; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:14:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GN2Uq-0005ec-Rp; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:15:53 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GN2TN-0007dV-WF; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:14:22 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GN2TN-0006kL-T4; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:14:21 +0200 To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: evaluator for functional equations / CHALLENGE! From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Sep 2006 09:14:21 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-math +Cc: list, axiom-math A followup on my own post, containing some material for fast algorithms. @@ -23621,25 +16452,25 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > I need an operation evalADE that takes a functional equation of the form ->=20 -> f(x) =3D g(f(x), D(f(x),x), D(f(x),x,2),...), ->=20 +> +> f(x) = g(f(x), D(f(x),x), D(f(x),x,2),...), +> > where g is any "nice" expression, some initial values, and an integer n. ->=20 +> > The result of the operation should be the n-th coefficient of the taylor > expansion of f, if it exists. ->=20 +> > Even more important, suppose that the functional equation is of the form ->=20 +> > p(f(x), D(f(x),x), D(f(x),x,2), ...) ->=20 +> > where p is a polynomial. These f are called differentially algebraic. ->=20 +> > The algorithm does not need to be especially fast, but it would be nice t= o be a > able to compute the first fifty to hundred coefficients in a reasonable t= ime. ->=20 +> > Note that Axiom provides an operation seriesSolve, which provides a parti= al > solution. However, it is very buggy and gives up even for certain algebra= @@ -23651,11 +16482,11 @@ ear* differential equation, i.e., a0(x) f(x) + a1(x) D(f(x),x) + a2(x) D(f(x),x,2) + ... + a_k(x) D(f(x),x,k)= - =3D 0 + = 0 with a_k(x0)<>0, -a fast algorithm has been proposed by=20 +a fast algorithm has been proposed by Alin Bostan, Fr=E9d=E9ric Chyzak, Fran=E7ois Ollivier, Bruno Salvy, =C9ric = Schost, @@ -23663,7 +16494,7 @@ Alexandre Sedoglavic available at http://arxiv.org/ps/cs/0604101 -There is a paper by Nedialkov and Pryce=20 +There is a paper by Nedialkov and Pryce http://www.cas.mcmaster.ca/~nedialk/PAPERS/DAEs/taylcoeff_I/ @@ -23676,36 +16507,11 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2cc-0001Bz-JM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:23:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2cb-0001Bd-Ae - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:23:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GN2ca-0001B3-Tg - for list; 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Once that is in, I would @@ -24461,30 +17084,6 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNCxE-00027p-7O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNCxC-00027O-1F - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNCxB-000270-C5 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNCxB-00026x-3w - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNCyj-0001yJ-1O - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:27:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5AFAA6800B; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2566A68D94; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:37 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -24496,21 +17095,21 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:05 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Why cannot we first agree on how to fix it. Just removing the > SVN properties (svn:eol-style and svn:keywords) is probably > NOT enough. > Agreed. -=20 -> I have given a short procedure that should do the work=20 + +> I have given a short procedure that should do the work > without much trouble. ->=20 +> > >>So basically, the procedure would be. ->=20 +> > >>1) Remove the svn:keywords property from ALL files. -> >>2) Remove the svn:eol-style property from binary files=20 +> >>2) Remove the svn:eol-style property from binary files > (maybe even ALL would be OK???) I think it would be better to be selective and leave the @@ -24522,23 +17121,23 @@ svn:eol-style property as set on the text files. > >> My wild guess is that svn only commits the files that actually > >> differ from the repository. I hope that svn does not take the > >> copy date into account. ->=20 +> This looks like the right approach. -> I just have no confirmation from anybody on the list that=20 +> I just have no confirmation from anybody on the list that > this would be the right way to go. > I think you should do it. -=20 + > From what I have seen the binary property is set correctly > already. ->=20 +> > I would even do the update of the Silver TRUNK, but if nobody > is convinced that the procedure is correct I rather hesitate > to make a mess out of the trunk. ->=20 +> I don't think you can make it any worse. :-) This is a repository anyway, so if it turns out not so good, then we just revert it. @@ -24561,30 +17160,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNDBp-0008Dy-OY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNDBn-0008D0-L0 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNDBm-0008CT-Q5 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNDBm-0008CK-GD - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNDDK-0003ZI-Bu - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:42:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B246568E04; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EA03168E22; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:40:45 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -24596,12 +17171,12 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Tim, On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:36 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > i set out to fix the silver version. > so far i tried 8 checkouts without success > and now i'm up to 20 updates, slowly grabbing pieces. > SVN on sourceforge seems broken somehow. ->=20 +> It is possible that you are using a proxy that does not understand the full WebDAV protocol as suggested in this email: @@ -24614,10 +17189,10 @@ WebDAV protocoll. It uses special requests which are been blocked by squid. Solution1: like you noted using https (squid simply forwards the ssl packets) -Solution 2:=20 +Solution 2: extend the squid.conf file to support the webdav requests: # add WebDAV methods -extension_methods SEARCH PROPFIND PROPPATCH MKCOL MOVE BMOVE DELETE=20 +extension_methods SEARCH PROPFIND PROPPATCH MKCOL MOVE BMOVE DELETE BDELETE REPORT -------- @@ -24641,34 +17216,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNEOH-0004wQ-LB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:57:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNEOF-0004wH-8W - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:57:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNEOD-0004vp-OL - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:57:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNEOD-0004vm-KK - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:57:49 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNEPl-0001am-Ny - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:59:26 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8CJvTpb022531 - for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:57:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail 1731 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 19:57:28 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 12 Sep 2006 19:57:28 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8CJmnv26287; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:48:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:48:49 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge @@ -24682,36 +17231,12 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNErL-0001cC-9i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNErJ-0001ao-KU - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNErI-0001a6-MF - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNErI-0001Zs-EC - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:52 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNEsr-0004LG-CW - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:29:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7932868DA5; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CD53268DA6; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [build-improvements] support system-install GCL Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:27:45 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build-improvements] support system-install GCL Thread-Index: AcbWXpcR7EzWPfE+TzCNTJisanMkLAAMvjqg From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Gaby, @@ -24769,11 +17294,11 @@ diff -Naur gcl-2.6.8pre_orig/h/solaris.defs gcl-2.6.8pre/h/solaris.defs -# notes for redhat 6.0 -# the configure should select the compiler -GCC=3D/usr/bin/i386-glibc20-linux-gcc +GCC=/usr/bin/i386-glibc20-linux-gcc -# However for the gcl-tk directory, you must use plain 'gcc' since -# that must link with the tcl tk libs which have been compiled with it. --# so after configure change to GCC=3Dgcc in the gcl-tk/makefile +-# so after configure change to GCC=gcc in the gcl-tk/makefile +# notes for Solaris +# Machine dependent makefile definitions for Solaris 9, 10 @@ -24784,15 +17309,15 @@ it. linux +# Modified: Sept 12, 2006 Bill Page - LBINDIR=3D/usr/local/bin + LBINDIR=/usr/local/bin +# We need these flags to get the right options for sockio.h +# and memalign -+CFLAGS :=3D ${CFLAGS} -DBSD_COMP=3Dbsd_comp -DGNUMALLOC=3Dgnumalloc ++CFLAGS := ${CFLAGS} -DBSD_COMP=bsd_comp -DGNUMALLOC=gnumalloc + - #OFLAG =3D -g -Wall - #OFLAG =3D -g -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -Werror - #LIBS =3D -lm + #OFLAG = -g -Wall + #OFLAG = -g -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -Werror + #LIBS = -lm --------- @@ -24805,7 +17330,7 @@ Apparently GCL must be built in its own source directory. When I tried to build GCL using lndir to ghost the source tree, GCL built and ran but it would not properly perform a compiler::link function. It returned an error message contain ~A format character where a -file name should have been.=20 +file name should have been. bash-2.05$ cd gcl-2.6.8pre bash-2.05$ ./configure --disable-emacsdir --disable-tkconfig \ @@ -24829,7 +17354,7 @@ bash-2.05$ cp axiom.build-improvements \ To work around problems with X11 include file paths in the first part of the build, I set the following environment variable: -bash-2.05$ export CPATH=3D/usr/openwin/share/include +bash-2.05$ export CPATH=/usr/openwin/share/include "CPATH specifies a list of directories to be searched as if specified with -I, but after any paths given with -I options @@ -24848,13 +17373,13 @@ axiom.build-improvements_orig/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet \ +++ axiom.build-improvements/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-09-12 16:13:52.104054000 -0400 @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ - OUT=3D${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib - DOCINT=3D${INT}/doc/src/lib - DOCMNT=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/lib --INC=3D $(axiom_src_srcdir)/include -+INC=3D $(axiom_src_srcdir)/include ${AXIOM_X11_CFLAGS} + OUT=${OBJ}/${SYS}/lib + DOCINT=${INT}/doc/src/lib + DOCMNT=${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/lib +-INC= $(axiom_src_srcdir)/include ++INC= $(axiom_src_srcdir)/include ${AXIOM_X11_CFLAGS} - AR=3D ${OUT}/bsdsignal.o ${OUT}/cursor.o ${OUT}/edin.o \ + AR= ${OUT}/bsdsignal.o ${OUT}/cursor.o ${OUT}/edin.o \ ${OUT}/fnct_key.o ${OUT}/halloc.o ${OUT}/openpty.o \ ------------ @@ -24893,7 +17418,7 @@ debugsys.lisp.pamphlet + +is ok. (Sept 12, 2006 Bill Page) + - <<*>>=3D + <<*>>= (setq *build-version* "debug") (build-interpsys @@ -169,7 +181,6 @@ @@ -24929,21 +17454,21 @@ pamphlet +The LDFLAGS must include the AXIOM_X11_LDFLAGS so that +the loader can find the X11 libraries on non-standard +configurations. (Sept 12, 2006 Bill Page) - <>=3D + <>= # this is where we are compiling from - IN=3D $(axiom_src_srcdir)/sman + IN= $(axiom_src_srcdir)/sman @@ -33,7 +36,8 @@ # this is where the documentation ends up - DOC=3D ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/sman - CFLAGS=3D ${CCF} --LDFLAGS=3D -L${LIB} -lspad ${LDF} -+# LDFLAGS=3D -L${LIB} -lspad ${LDF} -+LDFLAGS=3D -L${LIB} -lspad ${LDF} -lspad ${AXIOM_X11_LDFLAGS} + DOC= ${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/sman + CFLAGS= ${CCF} +-LDFLAGS= -L${LIB} -lspad ${LDF} ++# LDFLAGS= -L${LIB} -lspad ${LDF} ++LDFLAGS= -L${LIB} -lspad ${LDF} -lspad ${AXIOM_X11_LDFLAGS} - DOCFILES=3D${DOC}/session.c.dvi ${DOC}/nagman.c.dvi ${DOC}/sman.c.dvi \ + DOCFILES=${DOC}/session.c.dvi ${DOC}/nagman.c.dvi ${DOC}/sman.c.dvi \ ${DOC}/spadclient.c.dvi @@ -45,7 +49,7 @@ - <>=3D + <>= ${OUTLIB}/session: ${SMANOBJS} ${MIDOBJ}/session.o @ echo 1 linking session - @ ${CC} -o ${OUTLIB}/session ${MIDOBJ}/session.o ${SMANOBJS} @@ -24953,7 +17478,7 @@ ${LDFLAGS} ${MID}/session.c: ${IN}/session.c.pamphlet @ echo 2 making ${MID}/session.c from ${IN}/session.c.pamphlet @@ -71,7 +75,7 @@ - <>=3D + <>= ${OUT}/nagman: ${SMANOBJS} ${MIDOBJ}/nagman.o @ echo 5 linking nagman - @ ${CC} -o ${OUT}/nagman ${MIDOBJ}/nagman.o ${SMANOBJS} @@ -24963,7 +17488,7 @@ ${LDFLAGS} ${MID}/nagman.c: ${IN}/nagman.c.pamphlet @ echo 6 making ${MID}/nagman.c from ${IN}/nagman.c.pamphlet @@ -95,7 +99,7 @@ - <>=3D + <>= ${OUTLIB}/spadclient: ${SMANOBJS} ${MIDOBJ}/spadclient.o @ echo 9 linking spadclient - @ ${CC} -o ${OUTLIB}/spadclient ${MIDOBJ}/spadclient.o @@ -24976,7 +17501,7 @@ FLAGS} @ echo 10 making ${MID}/spadclient.c from ${IN}/spadclient.c.pamphlet @@ -119,7 +123,7 @@ - <>=3D + <>= ${OUT}/sman: ${SMANOBJS} ${MIDOBJ}/sman.o @ echo 13 linking sman - @ ${CC} -o ${OUT}/sman ${MIDOBJ}/sman.o ${SMANOBJS} @@ -25008,7 +17533,7 @@ bash-2.05$ diff -Nau axiom.build-improvements_orig/Makefile.pamphlet \ @@ -625,7 +625,11 @@ @ \subsection{install} - <>=3D + <>= +.PHONY: install install: + $(PATH_EXPORTS) $(MAKE) do-install @@ -25030,7 +17555,7 @@ Start Axiom with the command axiom make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home/dmprod/axiom.build' -bash-2.05$ export PATH=3D/usr/local/axiom/mnt/solaris9/bin:$PATH +bash-2.05$ export PATH=/usr/local/axiom/mnt/solaris9/bin:$PATH bash-2.05$ AXIOMsys GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.8 CLtL1 Sep 12 2006 05:57:14 Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl) @@ -25065,30 +17590,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNF9r-0004A5-7f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNF9p-00049m-5s - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNF9o-00049O-LS - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNF9o-000498-Cd - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47:00 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNFBN-0006R3-IC - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:48:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 817B0683CF; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:59 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7B40568DDB; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:58 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:46:53 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -25098,10 +17599,10 @@ To: Tim Daly, Bill Page Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:49 PM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > i'm not behind a proxy. > i'm hardwired to the net. ->=20 +> Me too, baby. :)) And proxies are hardwired too. 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Trying to commit the Silver \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHZZ-0005yR-JB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:21:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHZY-0005xh-H9 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:21:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHZW-0005xI-Ot - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:21:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNHZW-0005xF-LA - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:21:42 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNHb7-0001Yz-Fk - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198CC4F3C7; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:21:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8CNJfas007375; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:19:43 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8CNJf4t007374; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:19:41 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Disk Quota Google From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -25237,32 +17689,6 @@ have a surge of interest :-). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHbZ-0006ew-4b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHbX-0006eV-DD - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHbX-0006eJ-03 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNHbW-0006eG-TP - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:46 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNHd7-0001hY-QH - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:25:25 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B4A4F3C1; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:23:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8CNLk8P007382; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:21:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8CNLkVa007381; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:21:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Disk Quota Google From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -25294,30 +17720,6 @@ Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHe3-00088f-DJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHe2-00088a-Pm - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHe2-00088O-44 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNHe2-00088L-1m - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:22 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNHfc-0001nr-Su - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:28:01 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 62DC668D9C; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:20 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 78FD968E45; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Disk Quota Google Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:26:18 -0400 Thread-Topic: Disk Quota Google @@ -25333,9 +17735,9 @@ On Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:48 PM you asked: > Trying to commit the Silver source to the Google repository, > I had the problem of going over the disk quota limit. (100 MB). > -> I email google and they asking me what size we need.=20 +> I email google and they asking me what size we need. >=09 ->If you can advise me on what size would be good?=20 +>If you can advise me on what size would be good? >=09 Currently the arch repository axiom--main--1 is 169,896 Kbytes @@ -25359,32 +17761,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHgW-0001dC-Oh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:28:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHgV-0001cz-BQ - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:28:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHgU-0001cn-Hd - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:28:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNHgU-0001ck-Er - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:28:54 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNHi5-0001v3-Bd - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:30:33 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82713E9E; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:28:51 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9992AEC0; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:28:50 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132F082B97; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:28:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -25429,38 +17805,12 @@ Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHkD-00023a-Kq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:32:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHkB-000234-LK - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:32:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHkB-00022l-5I - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:32:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNHkB-00022g-1S - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:32:43 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNHll-0002Vx-QG - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:34:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D736A1; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:32:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD7F5C1; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:32:40 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F40182B97; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:32:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: axiom.silver <54odtlavgo.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, jaroslov@gmail.com +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Jaroslov Rosenberger On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -25496,32 +17846,6 @@ The file stat stuff is more urgent. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHoU-0004TD-AJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHoS-0004T2-Bt - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNHoQ-0004Si-Gz - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNHoQ-0004Sf-Dl - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:37:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNHq1-0002iI-Bh - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:38:45 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA01940FAD; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:37:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8CNZ52k007553; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:35:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8CNZ5mk007552; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:35:05 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Disk Quota Google From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -25552,27 +17876,6 @@ for higher. 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- Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:59:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:59:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [build-improvements] support system-install GCL <200609130046.k8D0kCM26386@localhost.localdomain> @@ -26187,34 +18438,8 @@ Any help is much appreciated. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNKnu-00039A-Mj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:48:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNKns-00037z-Vk - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:48:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNKnr-00037Q-E6 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:48:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNKnr-00037I-82 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:48:43 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNKpT-0006u3-PI - for list; 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- Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:03:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:03:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [build-improvements] support system-install GCL <200609130046.k8D0kCM26386@localhost.localdomain> @@ -26501,34 +18700,8 @@ remove though). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLNX-0005rU-HX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:25:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLNV-0005oS-EP - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:25:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLNT-0005kk-G9 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:25:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNLNT-0005kY-A1 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:25:31 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNLP6-0000zC-GX - for list; 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- Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:33:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:33:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [build-improvements] support system-install GCL <200609130046.k8D0kCM26386@localhost.localdomain> @@ -26600,34 +18747,8 @@ I took that of Norman Ramsey. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLga-0001Gr-M5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:45:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLgZ-0001Ew-0a - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:45:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLgX-0001DC-Bj - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:45:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNLgX-0001D5-86 - for list; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:45:13 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNLiA-0002br-DA - for list; 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- Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:02:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [build-improvements] support system-install GCL <200609130046.k8D0kCM26386@localhost.localdomain> @@ -26815,32 +18862,6 @@ Many thanks for your help. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLyg-0001fR-1K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:03:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLye-0001eH-UW - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:03:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNLye-0001dZ-97 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:03:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNLye-0001dR-2K - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:03:56 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNM0H-000454-Ad - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:05:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DC6F11; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:03:54 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28F12DC2; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:03:52 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2611982B97; - Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:03:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:03:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -26859,28 +18880,6 @@ is on the TODO list. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNP7Q-0003z4-4B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:25:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNP7O-0003y7-VS - for list; 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Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:59:48 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge <4507B890.1020509@hemmecke.de> From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Sep 2006 09:59:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -27054,34 +19006,12 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNPoc-0005A1-Qs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:09:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNPoa-00057j-ES - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:09:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNPoZ-00056v-Lj - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:09:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNPoZ-00056a-Gm - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:09:47 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNPqF-0006LW-6m - for list; 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Maybe your suggestion is good, but after I've sent my mail, I just tried @@ -27149,34 +19079,8 @@ On 09/13/2006 09:59 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNQ4a-00064f-Sm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:26:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNQ4X-00063F-DW - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:26:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNQ4V-00062E-65 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:26:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNQ4U-000623-Mx - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:26:14 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNQ6A-0007TV-Rl - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:27:58 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8D8PtHw024135 - for ; 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- Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:11:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:11:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -28345,32 +19783,6 @@ yes please go ahead. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNSfP-00048m-QO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:12:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNSfO-00047i-Nr - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:12:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNSfN-00044b-4f - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:12:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNSfM-00044S-W8 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:12:29 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNSh4-0004yp-IU - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:14:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6DE477F; 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Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:27:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge <4507B890.1020509@hemmecke.de> <9qsliwjixa.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4507BCFB.9040203@hemmecke.de> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Sep 2006 13:27:23 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -28572,28 +19910,6 @@ yes, because it is a short-running process. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNTsU-00054X-QP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:30:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNTsT-00054R-KH - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:30:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNTsR-000546-80 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:30:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNTsR-000543-09 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:30:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNTu9-0003h5-9z - for list; 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Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNWOr-0001AW-3y - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNWQa-0001Zn-R9 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:13:29 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4809467748; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 11092684E3; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -29258,10 +20359,10 @@ From: Bill Page To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:40 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > somehow you are contradicting yourself. > @@ -29270,25 +20371,25 @@ and I realized that I had become suckered into this whole 'svn:eol-style' thing, too. Part of the problem is that svn is trying to be "all things to all people". If they had just learned to say "no" life would be so much easier... -=20 + > >> So please tell me what filetypes should keep/get the > >> -> >> svn:eol-style=3Dnative +> >> svn:eol-style=native > >> > >> property (ie change to native line endings at checkout). ->=20 +> > > Actually my understanding is that if we remove the -> > svn:eol-style properties from all files and set that as=20 +> > svn:eol-style properties from all files and set that as > > the default, then SVN will just leave all the files alone. ->=20 +> > In a previous mail ->=20 +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-09/msg00294.ht ml ->=20 +> > you suggested: ->=20 +> > >> I think it would be better to be selective and leave > >> the svn:eol-style property as set on the text files. > @@ -29308,14 +20409,14 @@ of the port as to how to deal with this. On Windows almost all text processing software treat \n and \r\n identicall. There is a patch to the BOOT and SPAD compilers on the Windows version of Axiom to do exactly that. -=20 + > I've already locally modified the eol-style and was just about > to commit. The following files and extensions are left with the > "native" eol-style set. ->=20 -> I believe it is OK if they are left as text files and change the=20 +> +> I believe it is OK if they are left as text files and change the > line-endings. ->=20 +> Ok. @@ -29328,7 +20429,7 @@ That is an elementary Windows developer error. Don't expect the archive software to save them - revoke their archive access privileges! ;) ->=20 +> > The copyright files... > .AXIOM > .B @@ -29340,13 +20441,13 @@ privileges! ;) > .NOWEB > .RAND > .SMC ->=20 +> > Some other obvious text files. Having to make the distinction between 'text' and 'non-text' files is annoying and unnecessary. -> I actually don't understand why in the repository is anything=20 +> I actually don't understand why in the repository is anything > else than pamphlets. I agree. @@ -29368,9 +20469,9 @@ Right. 'booklet' is an experimental type of source file like 'pamphlet'. ->=20 +> > Any reason why there are such non-pamphlets? ->=20 +> > .H1 <-------- I am not sure about that one. Looks like a .h file. > .booklet > .h @@ -29380,13 +20481,13 @@ Right. > .sty > .tex > .text ->=20 +> > CHANGELOG > ChangeLog > FAQ > Makefile > README ->=20 +> > axiom > configure > document @@ -29404,7 +20505,7 @@ present to conform to open source packaging common practices. > I agree. -=20 + > From CVSROOT > checkoutlist > commitinfo @@ -29419,7 +20520,7 @@ I agree. > summary > taginfo > verifymsg ->=20 +> These are CVS control files that should not be in the SVN archive. @@ -29430,28 +20531,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNWTB-0004cX-6u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:16:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNWT9-0004a7-0G - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:16:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNWT6-0004XZ-Co - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:16:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNWT6-0004XR-2n - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:16:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNWUq-0002YC-1W - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:17:52 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8DFG0HH007572 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:16:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:16:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly @@ -29492,32 +20571,6 @@ find . -regex '.*\.\(lisp\|text\|tex\|sty\)' \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNWho-0006MA-2R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNWhm-0006Lj-01 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNWhi-0006Iv-Ed - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNWhi-0006Ir-BQ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:31:10 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNWjS-0004EB-Gl - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:32:58 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A2441142; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:31:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8DFT7ko023214; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:29:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8DFT7kX023213; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:29:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge <4508184C.4060601@hemmecke.de> @@ -29526,7 +20579,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Sep 2006 17:29:07 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -29567,30 +20620,6 @@ Amen. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNX9r-0005ak-8V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNX9p-0005Zp-7v - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNX9n-0005ZS-M4 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNX9n-0005ZO-CN - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:11 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNXBX-0006sY-Gm - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:01:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3378368ED1; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5C27068CCC; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:07 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:00:05 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -29599,16 +20628,16 @@ From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:31 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > > BTW, Tim, why is there now also "tla-1.1.tar.gz" inside > > the axiom archive? ->=20 +> > i'm trying to port axiom locally to 3 different systems, > Windows, MAC OSX, and FreeBSD. ->=20 +> > none of them have tla and i need to build it. That is no reason to keep an old distribution of tla in the @@ -29623,13 +20652,13 @@ motivated. Otherwise work-a-round them via scp or whatever. Contribute such patches to the arch developers. They do not belong in the Axiom source distribution. -=20 -> eventually these patches will be pushed upstream and=20 + +> eventually these patches will be pushed upstream and > hopefully go away. > I think they should go away now. :-) -=20 + > i know this is 'verboten' but these systems are not debian > and you can't just do an apt-get to install the code. @@ -29638,7 +20667,7 @@ least as good as apt-get. > but until the patches go upstream the users of these 3 > systems need the tools. ->=20 +> They already have there own tools. You need to learn to use them. Otherwise Axiom will continue to look like just another @@ -29650,32 +20679,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXCV-00077T-0C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXCO-00073v-US - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXCJ-0006yT-Mq - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNXCG-0006xv-5U - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:02:46 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNXE0-00074C-Gn - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:04:32 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ADB12772; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:02:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A82D12725; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:02:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2CE82B97; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:02:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:02:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -29699,30 +20702,6 @@ On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Page, Bill wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXOQ-0003oQ-3e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXOO-0003ng-2L - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXOK-0003mC-Hj - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNXOK-0003m6-6q - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNXQ4-0008NF-PZ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:17:01 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3821068E90; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8C6D668D82; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:09 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:15:06 -0400 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Axiom (was: SVN on sourceforge) Thread-Index: AcbXGOhyGTWcEooQSfuiYdFH8e+DqgANO7HQ @@ -29732,19 +20711,19 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Aldor and Axiom (was: SVN on sourceforge) On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:34 AM Tim Daly wrote: -> Ralf Hemmecke wrote:=20 +> Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > And libaxiom.al is there to avoid running the scripts from > > Peter Broadbery? But note that this thing gets out of date > > if ever somebody modifies some algebra files. I don't think this belongs in the Axiom source code distribution. ->=20 +> > peter's script requires java, i believe. > it's on my list to think that one thru. > it won't be an issue until aldor is released > ... which reminds me, time to ask again... ->=20 +> I've given up. Aldor.org et al have passed every target date that has ever been discussed and they barely seem to be able @@ -29764,30 +20743,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXiR-0006mx-Aj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXiP-0006mm-P7 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNXiL-0006mH-Ca - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNXiL-0006mE-5I - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNXk3-0001R4-DA - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:37:40 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4645D68C6B; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C6CE668438; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:08 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:35:06 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -29804,21 +20759,21 @@ On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:06 AM Tim Daly wrote: I agree, but it seems that you just can't teach an old dog new tricks ... ;) -=20 -> The standard is to do=20 + +> The standard is to do > ./configure > make ->=20 +> > but in noweb you need to change to a build directory and then > do > > cd build > ../configure > make ->=20 +> > trivial, but annoying, forcing you to read the docs and you know > how i hate documentation :-) ->=20 +> Actually noweb is more non-standard than that. 'noweb-2.11b' from the master distribution does not contain any 'configure' @@ -29833,28 +20788,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYBt-0001FM-20 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:06:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYBr-0001Cs-7g - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:06:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYBp-0001A8-1a - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:06:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYBo-00019i-Qi - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:06:20 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNYDZ-0004kr-LM - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:08:09 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8DH66HH017564 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); 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- Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:34:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:35:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -30055,30 +20904,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYgJ-00026w-RT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYgI-00026b-R2 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYgH-00025l-2V - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYgG-00025b-PM - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:48 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNYi2-0007X4-5j - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:39:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C571068EFD; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0882B68D82; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:42 -0400 Thread-Topic: build-improvements and latex @@ -30088,14 +20913,14 @@ To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch Cc: list On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:08 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: ->=20 -> I have updated to version 133 of build-improvements branch and=20 +> +> I have updated to version 133 of build-improvements branch and > retried build on the same Debian testing machine. Now build goes > further, but fails running Latex on clifford.spad.tex > The reason for failure is missing amssymb.sty file. > I am affraid that if we want clean build, then configure should check > for all latex packages used. ->=20 +> I still think it makes better sense to *not* run the LaTeX part of the build by default. If somebody wants it, they should be @@ -30113,28 +20938,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYsA-0007nX-97 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:50:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYs7-0007j5-JT - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:50:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNYs5-0007h2-Sn - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:50:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNYs5-0007gl-Oq - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:50:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNYtr-0008UM-04 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:51:51 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8DHnwHH023165 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:49:59 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:50:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -30162,30 +20965,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZ54-0004LP-Uu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZ53-0004Jb-5c - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZ52-0004Iv-M7 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNZ52-0004Io-GU - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNZ6n-0001eK-U2 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:05:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B0AF768B7A; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9B65468B37; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:03:21 -0400 Thread-Topic: Doyen and Sage (was: [SAGEsupport] SAGE) Thread-Index: AcbXVegk32rPmrdUREe19RpMvSsfowAAQwOQ @@ -30197,21 +20976,21 @@ Subject: Doyen and Sage (was: [SAGEsupport] SAGE) On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:58 PM William Stein wrote: ->=20 +> > On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:13:56 -0700, Enrique Acosta wrote: > > ... > > I am using sage on windows with coLinux. ... ->=20 +> > We've decided not to support SAGE-with-cygwin anymore. ->=20 +> > > tried the CoLinux one and made it work after some settings on > > the network connections. Some explanation of that in the > > documentation could be useful. Everything is working fine now > > and I think the notebook interface is really useful. -> ...=20 +> ... > > Last week I also tried the Vmware version to see what were the > > differences and had a terrible experience. ->=20 +> > I don't recommend or support using that. Colinux is the way to > go. @@ -30220,26 +20999,26 @@ See: http://colinux.org So, finally a linux solution that actually works with Windows? I want to hear more. ->=20 +> > > First of all, I copuld not load the notebook, and then found > > a serious limitations with the fact that you cannot copy and > > paste from windows to Vmware and vice-versa. ->=20 +> > Yes, vmware is really not a good solution. -> ...=20 ->=20 +> ... +> > VMware is not worth using. You should use colinux. -> ...=20 -> > The last experience which I have had with sage, was when=20 +> ... +> > The last experience which I have had with sage, was when > > trying to use it on a Knoppix live CD. Is this possible? > > I have tried it for two days unsuccesfully, although I have > > to accept I am a complete Linux Newbie... ->=20 +> > I've never done this, but the following might work: > (1) Put the SAGE binary on a USB drive: > http://modular.math.washington.edu/SAGEbin/linux_32bit/ > You probably want the ubuntu binary -- hopefully it will work. -> You could use ubuntu's live CD -- then for sure that binary=20 +> You could use ubuntu's live CD -- then for sure that binary > would work. > (2) Boot into the live CD environment. > (3) Plug in the USB drive. @@ -30248,27 +21027,27 @@ I want to hear more. > (5) type "cd sage-1.3.7-ubuntu-i686-Linux" > (6) type "./sage" > (7) type notebook() to get the SAGE notebook. -> (8) Anything in SAGE that requires compiling, e.g.,=20 +> (8) Anything in SAGE that requires compiling, e.g., > rebuilding / upgrading, developing compiled code, etc., > will fail since live CD's don't include GCC by default. ->=20 +> > > Anyway, I'm trying this because I want to use SAGE on a pretty old -> > dell laptop which is running windows but has only a 2GB=20 +> > dell laptop which is running windows but has only a 2GB > hard disk and > > on which I cannot install linux since its a shared computer. I don't > > know if you know if this is possible to do, or have considered the > > idea of building a linux live CD with an already installed SAGE to -> > have a portable version of the programm which could use a=20 +> > have a portable version of the programm which could use a > usb drive to > > save sessions, notebooks and everything. It would be great! ->=20 -> People have suggested before building such a live CD, and=20 +> +> People have suggested before building such a live CD, and > I've been very encouraging, but nobody has actually stepped > up to do it yet. Maybe you are the person to do it. The > crucial thing is that you should install GCC into the live cd, > but get rid of things you don't need, like openoffice > which is often in live cd's. ->=20 +> On the Axiom developer web site we host the Doyen project @@ -30296,30 +21075,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZGf-0002Vx-I0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZGe-0002Tc-3z - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZGb-0002PP-Rr - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNZGb-0002PI-N6 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNZIN-0002W1-HP - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:17:11 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 07C3B68B93; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:21 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E0DBD68BB5; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) Thread-Index: AcbXXQ9qtWBPRtHKRxeGvh2TBbbxKgAAlvrw @@ -30337,7 +21092,7 @@ On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:51 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > reference turned into a link to the definition of Integer. > For that we still need some good convention of how pamphlets > should look like. Hmm, maybe we are not at that stage ... ->=20 +> What *I* would like is some kind of updated version of the Hyperdoc browser - probably using standard browser/local @@ -30362,36 +21117,11 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZrJ-00070M-VG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZrH-0006xN-Ts - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNZrG-0006w6-Hd - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNZrG-0006vk-C3 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:14 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.239] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNZt2-0005il-FL - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:55:04 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2817912wxc - for ; 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- Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Reis on Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:02:42 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge @@ -31374,32 +22026,6 @@ make: *** [all] Error 2 \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNa7f-0002xg-Ie - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:10:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNa7d-0002u8-Gi - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:10:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNa7Z-0002oY-Sa - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:10:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNa7Z-0002o2-Ie - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:10:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNa9L-0007X9-GP - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:11:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6B24F3D7; 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But the idea is not unanimous here. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNa9a-0005vE-ER - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:12:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNa9Z-0005v5-HJ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:12:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNa9Y-0005ul-27 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:12:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNa9X-0005ui-R0 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:12:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaBK-0007sA-51 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:13:58 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965A840F53; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:12:05 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8DJA4nt028006; 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Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:16:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaDO-000709-5H - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:16:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaDK-0006yE-IK - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:16:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNaDK-0006yB-DH - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:16:02 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaF6-00087s-PJ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:17:52 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 846F168839; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:16:01 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5B94E68C6B; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:16:00 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:15:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -31562,20 +22112,20 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Tim, On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:52 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D Axiom build second try +========================== +========================== +============ +> ==== Axiom build second try > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 +========================== +========================== +============ +> > So I touched every file, did a make clean, and tried again ->=20 -> Oddly this seems to be complaining about timestamps of=20 +> +> Oddly this seems to be complaining about timestamps of > programs that are not Axiom source code. > ... @@ -31590,35 +22140,9 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaDR-00070w-3o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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- Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:16:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:16:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge <200609131851.k8DIpTj27459@localhost.localdomain> @@ -31650,35 +22174,9 @@ On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, root wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaF5-0007SU-FX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:17:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaF4-0007Rx-8p - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:17:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaF2-0007RZ-PU - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:17:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNaF2-0007RV-G1 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:17:48 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaGo-0008G4-W4 - for list; 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- Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:19:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:19:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -31761,32 +22233,6 @@ I'm curious of how he got that huge difference of timestamp. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaIO-00089W-02 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:21:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaIM-00089R-L0 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:21:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaIK-00089F-8G - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:21:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNaIK-00089C-3U - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:21:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaK6-0008U3-IG - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:23:02 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAAF4F3C3; 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Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:26:55 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaPd-0000Zh-V5 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:28:46 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 86142683D3; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8C0F568F98; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:26:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: New Axiom Browser Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:26:51 -0400 Thread-Topic: New Axiom Browser @@ -31845,20 +22267,20 @@ Cc: list On September 13, 2006 3:19 PM Gaby wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > [... concerning links from documentation and papers to Axiom] ->=20 +> > | If Axiom is not available locally, then such links should > | automatically link to a standard remote website with similar > | information. This should be possible with a little javascript > | magic. ->=20 +> > that should be an option -- I would hate to see Axiom suddenly > starts competing with other network hungry software for access > to the net. ->=20 +> ??? Perhaps you did not understand what I meant by Axiom Browser? In what since does this involve "Axiom competing with other network @@ -31870,34 +22292,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaUF-0003TP-6d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaUE-0003St-15 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaUB-0003Rk-DQ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNaUA-0003Rc-Sa - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:26 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaVx-0001Hb-Bu - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:35:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8DJXEbJ003899 - for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:33:18 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6567 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 19:33:14 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 13 Sep 2006 19:33:14 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8DJODU27512; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:24:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:24:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge @@ -31936,34 +22332,8 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaV8-0003mu-HQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:34:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaV6-0003mY-Hb - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:34:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaV5-0003mE-0C - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:34:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNaV4-0003mB-QS - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:34:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaWr-0001Mc-A9 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:13 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8DJYL5d005243 - for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:34:21 -0400 -Received: (qmail 9638 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 19:34:21 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 13 Sep 2006 19:34:21 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8DJPKs27516; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:25:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:25:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Reis on Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:17:45 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: SVN on sourceforge @@ -31988,30 +22358,6 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaX6-0005Ze-8T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaX4-0005ZO-FQ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaX1-0005Yg-J8 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNaX1-0005Ya-D4 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNaYn-0001v0-Sg - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:38:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C416D683D3; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7CF8568FB0; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:21 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:36:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge @@ -32024,17 +22370,17 @@ Sorry, I seems I received you emails in the wrong order. Perhaps time is warped today? Dr. Who? On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:51 PM Tim Daly wrote: -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Building Axiom first try=20 -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 +> ========== +> ===== Building Axiom first try +> ========== +> > This went into an infinite loop in the make due to some kind of > timestamp problem. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > [root@dhcppc0 src]# echo $AXIOM -> ...=20 -> [root@dhcppc0 bi]# export AXIOM=3D`pwd`/mnt/linux +> ... +> [root@dhcppc0 bi]# export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/linux ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is not necessary. @@ -32047,7 +22393,7 @@ This is not necessary. > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > checking whether we are cross compiling... no -> checking for suffix of executables...=20 +> checking for suffix of executables... > checking for suffix of object files... o > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes @@ -32062,7 +22408,7 @@ have just 'tar' and 'awk'. > ... > [root@dhcppc0 bi]# make -> make: Warning: File `Makefile.in' has modification time=20 +> make: Warning: File `Makefile.in' has modification time > 3.2e+06 s in the future > ... @@ -32074,28 +22420,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNaiU-0005ND-4x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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- Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:52:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -32248,43 +22522,19 @@ purpose -- and if they do, then we have a bug. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNawR-0005xj-0f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNawP-0005xT-Ar - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNawO-0005x5-HE - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNawO-0005x2-B5 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNayB-0004Ed-1x - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:04:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7A4B268FC4; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CA2EB68FB6; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:34 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SVN on sourceforge Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:34 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbXaO3BRSRrv8BWTXSUtx5b1vaX/QABfOyw From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, "root" Tim Daly Cc: list On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:15 PM Gabriel Dos Reis ->=20 +> > On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > | The make all install failed to terminate, looping > | infintely deeper. @@ -32295,13 +22545,13 @@ misconfiguration of the gnu toolchain on your system? Have you built any other packages from source successfully? ->=20 +> > Now that you mention it, I do remain that I ran into the > same issue and finally solved it. ->=20 +> > There is something to be said for non-standard build > systems :-) ->=20 +> Er, it wouldn't be polite to repeat it here! ;) @@ -32311,32 +22561,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNawf-00065n-85 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNawd-00065d-Rw - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNawd-00065R-DR - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNawd-00065O-7B - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:02:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNayP-0004Gl-Rb - for list; 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But there should be just links and the user has > to CLICK to get some more documentation. Nothing tries to get > other documentation automatically. I think you would favour that, > right? ->=20 +> > I guess, Bill meant nothing else with ->=20 +> > | > | If Axiom is not available locally, then such links should > | > | automatically link to a standard remote website with similar > | > | information. ->=20 +> Exactly. I did not realize that what I wrote was so ambiguous. Thanks for the clarification. @@ -32677,35 +22777,11 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNcwC-0002xq-Fu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNcw9-0002w3-Km - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNcw7-0002vI-R7 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNcw7-0002vA-KQ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:27 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNcxv-0006FE-NP - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:12:19 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AE02468D8D; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 361F268D82; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:10:25 -0400 Thread-Topic: build.improvements 'make clean' Thread-Index: AcbXcWlS7e5lXQzHTw+GXMCczaH8QgAD7XTQ From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: build.improvements 'make clean' @@ -32739,29 +22815,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNd4C-00017l-DW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:18:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNd4B-00017a-AP - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:18:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNd49-00017E-R9 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:18:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd49-00017B-LY - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:18:45 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.237] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNd5x-0006sh-S5 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:20:38 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so825176wri - for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=fHnoUBIL+3rc7jeDUNMnLHy39rUV2X/5mlZgYWVtKgbbNlcZhmwITlEEZXtXmCsP3spLExWzyFJMoCBIJPlKkAcf0ERU0MckAPQ7Ks56GbViph6pTWtb/KZxkp7dRZ6gHn/jyHKWAhFtoPW6m2TZCGy3qHcLpCljHQl0jkMJpLM= -Received: by 10.90.56.14 with SMTP id e14mr3044785aga; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:18:44 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:18:44 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page @@ -32801,32 +22854,6 @@ Hi Bill,

I saw few emails regarding adding Sage to the Doyen CD.

W \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNd4S-0001Fs-LT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:19:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNd4R-0001Fn-97 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:19:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNd4P-0001Fb-Qj - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:19:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNd4P-0001FY-MB - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:19:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNd6D-0006tT-TD - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:20:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2060240F45; - Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:18:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8DMGv2s031992; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:16:59 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8DMGvqY031991; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:16:57 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) @@ -32865,36 +22892,12 @@ Yes. Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNdCt-0004tM-OZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNdCr-0004pF-Sc - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNdCr-0004oV-HK - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNdCr-0004oI-4Y - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:45 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNdEf-0007QS-95 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:29:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5286468BAB; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C73A968B7A; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:42 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:27:42 -0400 Thread-Topic: Doyen and Sage Thread-Index: AcbXgpwbfTY55LV3Rt2LKQ1ZefivUgAADnUw From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: William Stein , list, +Cc: William Stein, list, Enrique Acosta , bug reports and users' support questions @@ -32930,35 +22933,12 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNehI-0005Ml-KV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNehG-0005M9-Vk - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNehF-0005KT-7o - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNehE-0005KF-Ua - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:12 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNej3-00072C-Sz - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:05:06 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so2923164wxc - for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=Tseyzf5Gyh4s7VKfdyeTZ/9x4/fwyVR11rnhT7xuf8cwL30/V6RWio+GUrCnmYF9qrdU2ZskabDQsxYRI6KQgDDLx6uPYOvsrT13Oc0QulhiegQmcm0DmN4+bGS0SuBY0fdM/a+eaeBlQbKVPIGMotbpSkqGnffqI/cPYaDmDoM= -Received: by 10.90.27.6 with SMTP id a6mr3051318aga; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:03:11 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page boundary="----=_Part_5636_20982927.1158192191415" -Cc: William Stein , list, +Cc: William Stein, list, Enrique Acosta , bug reports and users' support questions @@ -33040,32 +23020,6 @@ Bill,

\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNgyr-00017g-NV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:29:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNgyq-00017a-Mp - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:29:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNgyp-00017O-56 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:29:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNgyp-00017L-0n - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:29:31 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNh0f-0000PC-KT - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:31:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FF21324; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:29 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-6-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32851317; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:28 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03D882B98; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page @@ -33087,36 +23041,12 @@ Thanks. This is queued. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNiCd-0005V6-6Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNiCb-0005Ud-As - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNiCY-0005UQ-QT - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNiCY-0005UN-L4 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNiEP-0000Zw-MQ - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:49:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1F92D68C8D; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6C86A68C68; - Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:47:36 -0400 Thread-Topic: Doyen and Sage Thread-Index: AcbXkS2/GhIvbqbERMGPIPdu6OrfCwAHB9Qg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: William Stein , +Cc: William Stein, Enrique Acosta , sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list Subject: RE: Doyen and Sage @@ -33160,7 +23090,7 @@ desktop. But it runs fine on a much larger machine at home that I use for my real work... :) I'll let you know later.=09 >> Yes, I think having the LatexWiki support for Sage on the ->> CD would be very desirable. (That reminds me that I promised=20 +>> CD would be very desirable. (That reminds me that I promised >> to get those changes into the MathAction darcs repository... >> I haven't done that yet.) > @@ -33189,30 +23119,6 @@ ordered :( I like my Axiom mug and my Axiom baseball cap! :) \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNiL4-0001GN-5U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:56:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNiL1-0001GI-N7 - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:56:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNiL0-0001G6-CV - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:56:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNiL0-0001G3-5w - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:56:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNiMr-00010E-Db - for list; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:58:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5005368C66; 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Once a week we have conference calls where we all > dial into a certain phone number and enter a pass code. @@ -34786,24 +24121,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNrnp-0006XG-JC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:02:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNrno-0006X7-61 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:02:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNrnm-0006WU-HS - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:02:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNrnm-0006WN-9h - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:02:50 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNrpj-00084U-4a - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:04:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2006 14:02:48 -0000 -Received: from p549F7660.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.118.96] - by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 16:02:48 +0200 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call @@ -34814,7 +24131,7 @@ Cc: list Kai Kaminski writes: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > >> I work remotely. Once a week we have conference calls where we all >> dial into a certain phone number and enter a pass code. @@ -34842,24 +24159,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNrrX-00015z-WC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:06:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNrrW-00015s-Jo - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:06:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNrrU-000145-M0 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:06:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNrrU-00013x-FM - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:06:40 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNrtR-0000Zj-I1 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:08:41 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2006 14:06:38 -0000 -Received: from p549F7660.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.118.96] - by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 16:06:38 +0200 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call @@ -34882,35 +24181,10 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNsK3-0001gl-F1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:36:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNsK2-0001gL-OQ - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:36:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNsK1-0001fr-7s - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:36:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNsK0-0001fn-V8 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:36:09 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNsLx-0003Ws-Uu - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:38:10 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GNsJw-0008Pm-AT; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:36:04 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GNsJw-0007F5-8Q; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:36:04 +0200 To: Timothy Daly Tim Daly From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:36:01 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Help with adding algebra URGENT! Dear Tim, * @@ -34950,35 +24224,10 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNta2-0001qm-TX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:56:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNta0-0001qT-PF - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:56:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNtZy-0001pX-NT - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:56:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNtZy-0001pU-FM - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:56:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNtbu-0005Gv-Be - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:58:44 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GNtZu-0005BI-55; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:56:38 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GNtZt-0000WN-Qm; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:56:38 +0200 To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 Sep 2006 17:56:36 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: putting pamphlets on MathAction --=-=-= @@ -36065,32 +25314,9 @@ t89vn98+v31++/z2+e3z2+e3z2+f3z6/fX77/Pb57fPb57fPb5/fPr992Of/B9ObcVwAwAMA \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNtas-0001zN-5E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNtaq-0001zI-FD - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNtao-0001z6-42 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNtan-0001z3-Vb - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:34 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.228] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNtcm-0005Jy-6s - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:59:36 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so935829wri - for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:57:33 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; - b=Sc049RRjTb5mtdXx14sR+Nkm4N7deFjGQqY6OdgtvAaAJGe1i2vImzzevqY9f1jllGiYr9c7HfaB0FrxMtxVjSgC0w6E/KOmgtCsWi/GOqraduJpotDdL5x3hxvgAxSvKhM+E0hRqcCcvN4Pb0dVnCNuiDMgxfpQ5vV1vB4PpTM= -Received: by 10.90.115.4 with SMTP id n4mr3293153agc; - Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:32 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page boundary="----=_Part_20426_18413078.1158249452590" Cc: axiom-developer Subject: Doyen Docs @@ -36126,27 +25352,8 @@ Hi Bill,

While editing: +Cc: list Sorry to say, Martin, but even though you tried to document the API of the package constructors, your code is much in the spirit of the old @@ -36288,26 +25473,7 @@ On 09/14/2006 05:56 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNvKW-00076k-Mf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNvKU-00075z-Sn - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNvKS-000756-Sz - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNvKS-000753-O2 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:48 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.64] (helo=mail244.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GNvMS-0007WH-1Y - for list; 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Your project certainly looks mature and has a healthy communi \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNyCZ-0006LZ-Fk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNyCX-0006Ki-Ro - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNyCW-0006KB-Hn - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNyCW-0006K5-9T - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:52:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNyEX-0000IG-E1 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:54:53 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C7C40F59; - Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:52:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8EKofCJ023245; 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And, we cannot move the zips somewhere else. Is it possible that you or Tim or Bill can write to Ben Collins-Sussman : -sussman@google.com ? He is the person who wrote the last email to +Ben Collins-Sussman ? He is the person who wrote the last email to me. You probably can explain in more detail than me why such a size is necessary. @@ -37251,7 +26143,7 @@ Alfredo Gaby,

> Tell them, we're actively working on reducing zips (the can have a
> look at the build-improvements branch).  Furthermore, what
> it contains is really necessary for building Axiom for many, common,
> target configuration.  And, we cannot move the zips somewhere else.

Is it possible that you or Tim or Bill can write to Ben Collins-Sussman :
-sussman@google.com ? He is the person who wrote the last email to
+Ben Collins-Sussman ? He is the person who wrote the last email to
me. You probably can explain in more detail than me why such a size
is necessary.

> 1G is good for the moment.
 
@@ -37269,39 +26161,13 @@ Alfredo
\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNyq8-0005MX-1P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:33:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNyq6-0005Lg-SU - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:33:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNyq6-0005LF-Eh - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:33:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNyq6-0005L8-8v - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:33:42 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNys7-0007tp-SW - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:35:48 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35A24F3CB; - Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:33:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8ELVZcQ024140; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:31:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8ELVZGu024139; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:31:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 14, 2006 From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Sep 2006 23:31:35 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -37324,32 +26190,6 @@ I thought build-improvements should die (or be closed) once I'm finished. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNytU-0006me-Av - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNytS-0006mK-9O - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNytQ-0006m6-S7 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNytQ-0006m3-Ly - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:37:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNyvS-000863-9e - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:39:14 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4734F3CE; - Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:36:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8ELZ2Hx024156; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:35:04 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8ELZ2lX024155; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:35:02 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request @@ -37375,7 +26215,7 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: | > target configuration. And, we cannot move the zips somewhere else. | | Is it possible that you or Tim or Bill can write to Ben Collins-Sussman : -| sussman@google.com ? He is the person who wrote the last email to +| Ben Collins-Sussman ? He is the person who wrote the last email to | me. You probably can explain in more detail than me why such a size | is necessary. @@ -37388,32 +26228,6 @@ at Google to know a bit about this issue. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNz2I-0004vS-I5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:46:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNz2H-0004vE-5g - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:46:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GNz2F-0004uy-Vb - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:46:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GNz2F-0004uv-TM - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:46:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GNz4H-0000FM-F3 - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:48:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287404F3C7; 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I guess my question to those of us=20 -looking to improve SPAD is this - even if we can change it to=20 -support the feature or two we need, how do we document the=20 -language? Do we have the resources to make a really formal=20 -definition? How do we tie those definitions to something that a=20 +I think it MIGHT be possible for us to make SPAD support the key +feature or two we want from Aldor (type behavior, etc.) but even +if we do that, we are still faced with the problem that SPAD as +a language in Axiom does not have any really good foundation as +a documented language. I guess my question to those of us +looking to improve SPAD is this - even if we can change it to +support the feature or two we need, how do we document the +language? Do we have the resources to make a really formal +definition? How do we tie those definitions to something that a theorem prover could use? > If we have to live without Aldor then I think we would be much @@ -37982,55 +26620,55 @@ theorem prover could use? > proof systems and has a syntax and object model not too > different from SPAD and Aldor. -Bill, do you have experience with Ocaml? Apparently Ocaml and=20 +Bill, do you have experience with Ocaml? Apparently Ocaml and Axiom are not completely unaware of each other as projects: http://caml.inria.fr/pub/ml-archives/caml-list/2005/07/cf19927bddbdfdbb6a06= 2bb9f56262e9.en.html -and apparently there has been some earlier discussion of=20 +and apparently there has been some earlier discussion of languages + mathematical "fitting": -http://listserv.acm.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=3Dind0206c&L=3Doscas&P=3D481 +http://listserv.acm.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0206c&L=oscas&P=481 -Since my guess is some of the people on the list now were=20 -involved in these earlier discussions, perhaps they can give us=20 -an idea of what might be the pros and cons of using Ocaml or=20 +Since my guess is some of the people on the list now were +involved in these earlier discussions, perhaps they can give us +an idea of what might be the pros and cons of using Ocaml or Haskell to re-implement our spad code. There are some earlier discussions of Ocaml on the list: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-10/msg00204.html -Possibly relevant to this discussion: there has been somewhere=20 +Possibly relevant to this discussion: there has been somewhere some work with COQ and Axiom: http://www.emis.de/proceedings/MKM2001/hardin.ps -This is probably one of the documents we should look at first,=20 +This is probably one of the documents we should look at first, but I don't know how to obtain a copy: -1. G. Alexandre. D=E2=80=99Axioma Zermelo. Ph. D. Thesis, University of=20 +1. G. Alexandre. D=E2=80=99Axioma Zermelo. Ph. D. Thesis, University of Paris 6, LIP6, February 1998. -To the best of my searching abilities, it's not currently online. =20 +To the best of my searching abilities, it's not currently online. I suppose a copy might be ordered from the University? -Personally, I am not so afraid of the idea of translating our=20 -code, since I believe the effort required to understand and=20 -document properly what is there is going to be almost the same=20 -amount of effort as a re-write. Hopefully the interp framework=20 -is reasonably language independent (after all we can plug in=20 -Aldor - which is a separate implementation of a language, even=20 -if similar to SPAD - already). Since to make files fully=20 -literate we need to not only understand the code but the origins=20 -and definitions of the algorithms being implemented, we are=20 -looking at a massive effort to spruce up the algebra code no=20 -matter which way we go on the programming language side. I=20 -suspect (although I could be wrong) that understanding and=20 -documenting properly the design considerations and mathematical=20 -theory behind the SPAD code will be such a large effort that the=20 -language considerations become secondary, except for the=20 -question of what language has the most potential for benefiting=20 +Personally, I am not so afraid of the idea of translating our +code, since I believe the effort required to understand and +document properly what is there is going to be almost the same +amount of effort as a re-write. Hopefully the interp framework +is reasonably language independent (after all we can plug in +Aldor - which is a separate implementation of a language, even +if similar to SPAD - already). Since to make files fully +literate we need to not only understand the code but the origins +and definitions of the algorithms being implemented, we are +looking at a massive effort to spruce up the algebra code no +matter which way we go on the programming language side. I +suspect (although I could be wrong) that understanding and +documenting properly the design considerations and mathematical +theory behind the SPAD code will be such a large effort that the +language considerations become secondary, except for the +question of what language has the most potential for benefiting us at the 30 year horizon. 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Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:32:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom Conference Call Sept 14, 2006 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:31:40 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -38116,34 +26735,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO3ge-0002mk-A2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:44:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO3gb-0002lk-Rx - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:44:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO3gZ-0002kO-OF - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:44:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO3gZ-0002kD-Fh - for list; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:44:11 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO3ia-0004Nx-9V - for list; 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Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:25:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Aldor and Axiom - alternatives? <200609142223.43366.Cliff Yapp> @@ -38884,39 +27226,13 @@ suited... \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5Qd-0007WG-9p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:35:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5Qb-0007Vw-HZ - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:35:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5QZ-0007Vk-6y - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:35:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO5QZ-0007Vh-0U - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:35:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO5Se-0003NC-K2 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:37:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A787F4F399; 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   \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5ZC-0000DX-Ov - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:44:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5ZB-0000DS-Sv - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:44:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5ZA-0000Cn-Qd - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:44:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO5ZA-0000Ce-N6 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:44:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO5bG-0004E3-BQ - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E5940E4F; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:44:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8F4gXAe029596; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:42:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8F4gXkn029595; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:42:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 06:42:32 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On September 14, 2006 7:07 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -39266,39 +27481,13 @@ It is on my TODO list to remove it along with a better structuring. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5b1-0002ai-9M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5az-0002Xx-To - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5az-0002X5-At - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO5az-0002Wg-5O - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:46:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO5d4-0004KN-Ro - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:48:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FF640F5B; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:46:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8F4iP6X029600; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:44:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8F4iPH9029599; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:44:25 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 06:44:25 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -39325,32 +27514,6 @@ Yes. I have a plan for that. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5dm-00055S-1s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:49:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5dj-00055F-Uh - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:49:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5dj-000553-D2 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:49:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO5dj-000550-6d - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:49:23 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO5fo-0004U6-Us - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:51:33 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB87B40F09; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:49:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8F4lFQT029623; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:47:17 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8F4lFXd029622; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:47:15 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -39358,7 +27521,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 06:47:15 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | On September 14, 2006 9:42 PM you wrote: | > > @@ -39392,32 +27555,6 @@ Please, no. Lisp does not look more portable than C to me. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5es-0005S5-Ba - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:50:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5eq-0005S0-Sy - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:50:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5eq-0005Rn-EO - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:50:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO5eq-0005Rk-8K - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:50:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO5gv-0004Wx-W9 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:52:42 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151340E4F; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:50:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8F4mOS5029627; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:48:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8F4mOHK029626; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:48:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150243.k8F2hMT28776@localhost.localdomain> @@ -39425,7 +27562,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 06:48:24 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > So the answer to Gaby's original question then is that for Solaris | > one would expect this variable should be something like: @@ -39451,29 +27588,6 @@ least not induce the wrong expectation. (my original question). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5ji-0000WI-KT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:55:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5jh-0000W4-E2 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:55:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO5jg-0000VH-G3 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:55:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO5jg-0000Uz-7z - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:55:32 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.232] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO5ll-0004tQ-W5 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:57:42 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so3456154wxc - for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:55:31 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=VZD/5Phr+WxKp4tfix+57gPxM8OuzN7XX3czEOb5W3aBWJ+Q0BkzXU25S6R6voO/RR9jDFo/iL5FN46e4IhwAcsVuvqs/Q8vbNGz2wvvqubA69W1l9SZ/8Xg5C/Sn7AKe3cSASbda3fi4ZpsblDGZKxOBnqvj0T2jtnzrSPjn3w= -Received: by 10.90.50.6 with SMTP id x6mr64541agx; - Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:55:31 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:55:30 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: "Enrique Acosta" @@ -39527,26 +27641,6 @@ doyen@org , you
  can see that it should detect your NTFS partition and \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO62L-000588-GG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:14:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO62J-00056Z-Pg - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:14:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO62I-00054v-1f - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:14:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO62H-00054g-QI - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:14:45 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GO64N-0006Kr-K0 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:16:55 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-11.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.11]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8F5EhSt024862 - for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:14:43 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 880331A984; 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15 Sep 2006 10:17:06 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -40253,7 +28329,7 @@ Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | On September 14, 2006 9:42 PM you wrote: > | > > @@ -40294,32 +28370,7 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO92D-0000Er-83 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:26:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO92B-0000CC-Fw - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:26:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GO926-000083-JC - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:26:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GO926-00007n-4K - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:26:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GO94E-0006qF-0f - for list; 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Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:54:08 +0200 To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Sep 2006 11:54:05 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -40505,24 +28505,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOAPF-0006ml-M2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:54:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOAPE-0006mg-6R - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:54:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOAPB-0006mU-R2 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:54:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOAPB-0006mR-LM - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:54:41 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOARK-0006EM-55 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:56:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Sep 2006 09:54:37 -0000 -Received: from p549F4E7C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.78.124] - by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 11:54:37 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -40564,37 +28546,12 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOAoR-0007BH-2y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:20:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOAoP-0007Aa-HI - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:20:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOAoO-0007AD-PH - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:20:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOAoO-0007A8-K2 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:20:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOAqX-0008Vk-MS - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:22:57 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOAoN-0002v6-3Z; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:20:43 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOAoN-000618-0G; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:20:43 +0200 To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! <9q8xklbgle.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Sep 2006 12:20:42 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Yet another question: @@ -40661,34 +28618,8 @@ Martin Rubey writes: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOC8o-0004sc-HU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:45:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOC8m-0004pw-Nx - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:45:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOC8l-0004pd-TP - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:45:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOC8l-0004pa-R8 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:45:51 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOCAv-0001is-Iu - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:48:05 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8FBjST4009376 - for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:45:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15562 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 11:45:30 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 15 Sep 2006 11:45:30 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8FBaYK29447; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:36:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:36:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 15 Sep 2006 12:20:42 +0200) Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! @@ -40703,31 +28634,6 @@ some work. --t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCKP-00033s-Rw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:57:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCKL-000335-PC - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:57:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCKK-00032l-1M - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:57:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOCKJ-00032i-R9 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:57:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOCMR-0002mp-Sw - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:00:01 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOCKF-0005OS-Oq; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:57:43 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOCKF-0001XA-B7; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:57:43 +0200 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! <9q8xklbgle.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -40739,7 +28645,7 @@ Cc: list --=-=-= -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > pls tar up your copy of the spad code and i'll wrestle with it. > i don't know the answer off the top of my head so it will take @@ -41199,34 +29105,8 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCVP-0004Ee-Em - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:09:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCVM-0004AP-HA - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:09:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCVI-000453-Ce - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:09:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOCVG-000447-FD - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:09:07 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOCXG-0004N4-Eg - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:11:20 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8FC8jPS025753 - for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:08:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29987 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 12:08:47 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 15 Sep 2006 12:08:47 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8FBxpK29473; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:59:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:59:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 15 Sep 2006 12:20:42 +0200) Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! @@ -41240,32 +29120,6 @@ got it. working on it. --t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCe5-00033G-8N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:18:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCe3-00031Y-Fm - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:18:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCe1-0002zo-3i - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:18:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOCe0-0002zl-So - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:18:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOCgB-0005Y3-2n - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:20:23 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D754F40D; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:17:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8FCFx65003048; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:16:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8FCFxQR003047; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:15:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -41313,31 +29167,6 @@ no, sorry reference to the wrong discussion \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCnu-0003xo-7O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:28:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCns-0003xf-AD - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:28:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOCnr-0003x7-78 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:28:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOCnq-0003wt-V1 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:28:18 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOCq1-0006VY-7C - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:33 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOCnp-0007hF-EO; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:28:17 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOCnp-0002St-B0; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:28:17 +0200 To: Tim Daly, Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! <9q8xklbgle.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -41349,7 +29178,7 @@ Cc: list Dear Tim, Dear Alfredo! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > got it. working on it. --t @@ -41391,24 +29220,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOD6k-0005Yo-Dm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOD6j-0005XF-Af - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOD6i-0005VJ-5N - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOD6h-0005UO-DG - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:47:47 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOD8r-0000Ce-Kp - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:50:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Sep 2006 12:47:45 -0000 -Received: from p549F4E7C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.78.124] - by mail.gmx.net (mp045) with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 14:47:45 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -41463,31 +29274,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GODFv-0007Kp-Ag - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:57:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GODFt-0007In-C1 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:57:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GODFr-0007Hp-PP - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:57:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GODFr-0007Hm-MV - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:57:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GODI1-00014n-Vz - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:59:30 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GODFl-0001PB-G8; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:57:09 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GODFl-0003HG-Co; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:57:09 +0200 To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! <9q8xklbgle.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -41518,7 +29304,7 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > Dear Tim, Dear Alfredo! > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > > got it. working on it. --t > @@ -41560,34 +29346,8 @@ Martin Rubey writes: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GODm9-0004hh-0i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GODm7-0004fB-3e - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GODm5-0004dK-Do - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GODm5-0004dA-9b - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:33 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GODoE-0006R4-6n - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:32:48 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8FDUDM5001556 - for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:30:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 1578 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 13:30:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 15 Sep 2006 13:30:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8FDLJV29545; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:21:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:21:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 15 Sep 2006 14:57:08 +0200) Subject: Re: Help with adding algebra URGENT! @@ -41606,26 +29366,7 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOELB-0002RZ-Ne - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:06:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOEL9-0002Qx-H8 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:06:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOEKy-0002Q9-6B - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:06:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOEKx-0002Pw-Vo - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:06:36 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOEMu-0002QP-TH - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:08:41 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8FE5Gbo031093; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:05:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:05:15 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -41693,26 +29434,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOERd-0003PG-3O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:13:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOERb-0003PA-Gz - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:13:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOERS-0003Nf-H6 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:13:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOERS-0003NW-75 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:13:18 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.29] (helo=mail209.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOETW-0002xt-JA - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:15:31 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail209.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8FEBMBe000775; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:11:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Kai Kaminski'" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:11:21 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -41722,27 +29444,27 @@ Subject: RE: Building Axiom on axiom-developer.org Kai, On September 15, 2006 4:56 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > the build of Gold (--patch-50) fails for me. The first problem is that > the X11 headers aren't found, which can be overcome by adding > -I/usr/X11R6/include to CCF in the Makefile.linux chunk in the > toplevel Makefile.pamphlet. ->=20 +> > Now it fails with ->=20 +> > Unrecoverable error: NULL_OR_ON_C_STACK macro invalid. ->=20 +> > ... ->=20 +> > Any idea? ->=20 +> See extensive discussion on axiom-developer email list: -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=3DNULL_OR_ON_C_S= +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=NULL_OR_ON_C_S= TACK& -submit=3DSearch%21&idxname=3Daxiom-developer&max=3D20&result=3Dnormal&sor= -t=3Ddate%3Ala +submit=Search%21&idxname=axiom-developer&max=20&result=normal&sor= +t=date%3Ala te The short story is that on the axiom-develop.org server you have to @@ -41757,38 +29479,13 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOEVb-0004iF-Vw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:17:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOEVa-0004hq-3Z - for list; 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Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:50:36 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -41893,27 +29564,8 @@ practitionners "out of the roof" :-) \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFNz-00059V-75 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:13:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFNx-00059H-Pq - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:13:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFNw-00058y-Ae - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:13:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOFNw-00058v-5f - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:13:44 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOFQ7-0002iv-UV - for list; 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Regards,

Alfre \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFe5-0001NB-JX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFe3-0001IG-W9 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFe1-0001DG-Nh - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOFe1-0001Cf-EI - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:21 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.227] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOFgD-0005uj-9y - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:32:37 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so1120393wri - for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; - b=KAYMlIObnHebW5kHNiSI0MsSXz9AlamkbTI508S8hfhUwWFW67+gSO/HfBH4ctDIdFaF0Vf+TCgq6zwev+oOep1TSojD9un/YYOArIAB/9L7MoSO5a2F44JM+iLMcnMTbHFnxgT8BjkOYOgD7m901JgByDqVDr6SlVyjgm02CfA= -Received: by 10.90.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr3866354agb; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:20 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "William Stein" +To: "William Stein" William Stein boundary="----=_Part_46230_12379631.1158334220349" @@ -42105,29 +29711,12 @@ Probably Tim and Bill extend on the idea.

  That \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFek-0002uX-Mi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:31:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFei-0002oM-Ia - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:31:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFeh-0002lh-HV - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:31:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOFeh-0002lN-Ce - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:31:03 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOFgt-0005ya-5m - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:33:19 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GOFeJ-0001pm-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:39 -0400 To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom.silver <54odtlavgo.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> From: Camm Maguire Date: 15 Sep 2006 11:30:39 -0400 -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! @@ -42296,7 +29885,7 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > > currently has a network configuration problem which prevents me > > from accessing their servers: > > -> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=1553456&gro +> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid0001&aid=1553456&gro > > up_id=1 > > > > > I have a fix for the debian failure. Once that is in, I would @@ -42351,37 +29940,18 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFtR-000810-7G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:46:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFtP-0007zG-Mo - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:46:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFtN-0007wM-KX - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:46:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOFtN-0007w2-97; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:46:13 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GOFvZ-0008Ka-6E; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:48:29 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8FFjmKP019910; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:46:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: axiom.silver Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:47 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Camm, On September 15, 2006 11:31 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Can we finalize this stat bit please? I'm trying to get 2.6.8 > out ... > @@ -42391,7 +29961,7 @@ Great! > In addition to knowing whether enough information is provided, > I need to know if it works on windows, macosx, and any other > proprietary system of interest. ->=20 +> I think your proposal for the si::stat function is perfect. I hope that it meets approval with other GCL users. @@ -42402,16 +29972,16 @@ tomorrow morning. Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > Camm Maguire writes: -> ...=20 +> ... > > How about this: -> >=20 +> > > > Index: unixfsys.c > > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +==== > > RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/unixfsys.c,v > > retrieving revision 1.28 > > diff -u -r1.28 unixfsys.c @@ -42422,24 +29992,24 @@ Bill Page. > > #include > > #include > > +#include -> > =20 +> > > > #define IN_UNIXFSYS > > #include "include.h" > > @@ -490,6 +491,34 @@ > > } -> > =20 -> > =20 +> > +> > > > +DEF_ORDINARY("DIRECTORY",sKdirectory,KEYWORD,""); > > +DEF_ORDINARY("LINK",sKlink,KEYWORD,""); > > +DEF_ORDINARY("FILE",sKfile,KEYWORD,""); > > + -> >=20 +> > > +DEFUN_NEW("STAT",object,fSstat,SI,1,1,NONE,OO,OO,OO,OO, > (object path),"") { > > + > > + char filename[4096]; > > + struct stat ss; -> > + =20 +> > + > > + > > + bzero(filename,sizeof(filename)); > > + coerce_to_filename(path,filename); @@ -42448,10 +30018,10 @@ Bill Page. > > + else { > > + int j; > > + ctime_r(&ss.st_ctime,filename); -> > + j=3Dstrlen(filename); +> > + j=strlen(filename); > > + if (isspace(filename[j-1])) -> > + filename[j-1]=3D0; -> > + RETURN1(list(3,S_ISDIR(ss.st_mode) ? sKdirectory :=20 +> > + filename[j-1]=0; +> > + RETURN1(list(3,S_ISDIR(ss.st_mode) ? sKdirectory : > > + (S_ISLNK(ss.st_mode) ? sKlink : sKfile), > > + make_fixnum(ss.st_size),make_simple_string(filename))); > > + } @@ -42462,36 +30032,36 @@ Bill Page. > > DEFUN_NEW("SETENV",object,fSsetenv,SI,2,2,NONE,OO,OO, > OO,OO,(object variable,object value),"Set environment VARIABLE > to VALUE") -> > =20 +> > > > { -> >=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp/ff1.h") -> >=20 +> > > > (:LINK 9 "Tue Sep 12 12:32:58 2006") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp/ff.h") -> >=20 +> > > > (:FILE 0 "Mon Dec 5 13:52:23 2005") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp/") -> >=20 +> > > > (:DIRECTORY 81920 "Tue Sep 12 12:34:53 2006") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp") -> >=20 +> > > > (:DIRECTORY 81920 "Tue Sep 12 12:34:53 2006") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp1") -> >=20 +> > > > NIL -> >=20 +> > > > >=04 -> >=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > If we can agree on the interface, and on the Windows and Mac > > equivalents, I can get this into 2.6.8 before release. -> >=20 +> > > > @@ -42499,26 +30069,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOGnu-0007f9-Fz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:59:58 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Sep 2006 18:59:58 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: timeout? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Martin, > @@ -42824,24 +30331,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOKGc-0006Yu-JZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:26:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOKGa-0006Ui-Qi - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:26:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOKGa-0006TK-2u - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:26:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOKGZ-0006T2-Vb - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:26:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.230] (helo=S4.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOKIo-00054n-NQ - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:28:47 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.116.11.12]) - by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 74734342 - for multiple; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:26:22 -0700 To: 'axiom-dev' Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your message to Axiom-commit awaitsmoderator approval] @@ -42851,7 +30340,7 @@ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:26:52 -0500 Cc: -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: ... > I think you are right. SourceForge seems to be having ongoing > network problems. I still can not access the compile farm. @@ -42867,26 +30356,7 @@ Jay \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOLPR-0001d8-Si - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOLPQ-0001cy-VJ - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOLPP-0001cf-9j - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOLPP-0001ca-2f - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOLRe-0002FG-KX - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:41:58 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8FLdKHX012166; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:19 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -42938,34 +30408,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GON6D-0008L1-AW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:27:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GON6C-0008Jl-2X - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:27:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GON6A-0008G7-C5 - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:27:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GON6A-0008Fh-8U - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:27:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GON8Q-0002bA-TT - for list; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:30:15 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8FNRbBn004174 - for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:27:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5976 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 23:27:38 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 15 Sep 2006 23:27:38 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8FNItj29962; - Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:18:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:18:55 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: dawson@fnal.gov Sep 2006 15:28:50 -0500) Cc: list @@ -43004,27 +30448,7 @@ Tim Daly \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOTRu-0002P3-VI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:14:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOTRt-0002Oy-GT - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:14:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOTRr-0002Om-2g - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:14:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTRq-0002Oj-T0 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:14:42 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.28] (helo=mail208.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOTUB-0003XJ-Ca - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:17:07 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail208.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8G6EObE010648 - for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:14:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:14:21 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -43041,9 +30465,9 @@ Mercurial (Hg) has been getting some very good reviews. The Sage developers are considering switching from darcs to Hg for reasons of performance. They recommend the following introduction: -http://indico.cern.ch/contributionDisplay.py?contribId=3D29&sessionId=3D4= +http://indico.cern.ch/contributionDisplay.py?contribId=29&sessionId=4= 9&confI -d=3D44 +d=44 Regards, Bill Page. @@ -43053,28 +30477,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOTwB-0006nD-Pd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:46:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOTwA-0006n5-LZ - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:46:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOTw8-0006mt-3A - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:46:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOTw7-0006mq-US - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:45:59 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOTyS-0005p9-Hc - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:48:24 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8G6jtHH001074 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:45:55 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -43097,32 +30499,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOUC4-0002tJ-J1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:02:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOUC2-0002t2-7l - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:02:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOUC0-0002sq-Jj - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:02:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOUC0-0002sn-Ef - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:02:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOUEL-0006gF-8t - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:04:49 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE71B41065; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:02:20 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8G70Bl7017919; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:00:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8G70Arm017918; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:00:10 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: mercurial source code control system From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -43159,38 +30535,13 @@ code in many VCS than actually moving it forward :-/ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOY5P-0006HV-Cg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:11:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOY5O-0006Ff-6h - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:11:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOY5N-0006E1-0y - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:11:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOY5M-0006Ds-Sv - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:11:48 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOY7k-0003Mf-BI - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:14:16 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOY5G-00079D-JL; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:11:42 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOY5G-0003bt-Ei; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:11:42 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Sep 2006 13:11:41 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: timeout? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > It was easy for me to change it to 60 minutes. So you should > have plenty of time to compile now. @@ -43209,31 +30560,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOYnj-0006tM-Cn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOYnh-0006qS-CG - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOYnf-0006n9-Fo - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOYnf-0006n4-BW - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:57:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOYq2-0007Yl-Tg - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:00:03 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOYnd-0000mB-60; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:57:33 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOYnd-0002P0-1W; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:57:33 +0200 To: Martin Rubey <9qodtg5amq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Martin Rubey @@ -43254,32 +30580,6 @@ Thanks, Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOax7-0007Pv-4G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:15:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOax4-0007Om-JU - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:15:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOax3-0007Nt-Gf - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:15:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOax3-0007Nn-8i - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:15:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOazS-00078J-Ew - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:17:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5D14F3D1; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:15:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8GEDDFW021932; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:15 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8GEDDCL021931; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:13:13 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Sep 2006 16:13:12 +0200 @@ -43297,34 +30597,8 @@ archive src/lib/libspad.a? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GObF8-00075W-Q9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:34:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GObF7-00073I-E4 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:34:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GObF5-00070I-5W - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:34:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GObF5-00070F-0M - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:34:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GObHU-0002tb-Ci - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:36:32 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8GEXgBU008988 - for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:33:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 8974 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 14:33:44 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Sep 2006 14:33:44 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8GEP8P30522; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:25:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:25:08 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis on 16 Sep 2006 16:13:12 +0200) Cc: list @@ -43340,32 +30614,6 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOc1A-0003Pc-HC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:23:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOc18-0003Mb-QH - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:23:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOc17-0003LP-VF - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:23:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOc17-0003LE-SV - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:23:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOc3X-0007dQ-P2 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:26:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF02D4F3C2; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:23:20 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8GFLJTP022531; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:21:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8GFLJcq022530; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:21:19 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly <200609161425.k8GEP8P30522@localhost.localdomain> From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -43373,7 +30621,7 @@ Date: 16 Sep 2006 17:21:19 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: libspad, hash.o -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Is there a reason why src/lib/hash.o is not put in the object | >archive src/lib/libspad.a? @@ -43387,28 +30635,6 @@ OK, thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdDj-0001JG-7J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:40:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdDi-0001IK-0e - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:40:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdDg-0001Hg-EB - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:40:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOdDg-0001Hc-Az - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:40:44 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.72] (helo=web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOdG6-0003nj-I2 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:43:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail 84935 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2006 16:40:38 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=lbHUiAHOLi73RxTndlEc2G7h6TLR7qAiDR88RVA+h1lif0cLe3ewbNduVVYNcbHXS37f6YDfI3d2QnVYyn/3tG3HeoRVlkU3p/rmEEco+64j/S7PTjt3wAmMvALsfL4PcF0WJ1yomNwc0FMVYDRfBngW2bCwAsQlvISlkLLRkFs= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:40:38 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -43468,31 +30694,6 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdNt-0000l0-Fo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:51:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdNr-0000j5-KS - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:51:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdNq-0000hY-KN - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:51:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOdNq-0000hR-Be - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:51:14 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOdQG-0004aa-QA - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:53:45 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOdNm-0006PN-F8; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:51:10 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GOdNm-0001fG-E2; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:51:10 +0200 To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Martin Rubey @@ -43577,28 +30778,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdoR-0003pj-1k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:18:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdoP-0003m5-10 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:18:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOdoN-0003ix-B7 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:18:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOdoN-0003ii-5o - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:18:39 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.68] (helo=web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOdqo-00075w-3U - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:21:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail 55960 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2006 17:18:38 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; 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From: Martin Rubey @@ -44390,32 +31370,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOhkv-0002OL-CV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:31:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOhks-0002Jq-Ur - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:31:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOhkr-0002Fi-EB - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:31:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOhkr-0002F5-6Z - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:31:17 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOhnK-00065e-JV - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:33:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0774F3B0; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:31:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8GLT4ES027423; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:29:06 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8GLT4cb027422; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:29:04 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -44460,28 +31414,6 @@ through an additional indirection. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOi9K-00013S-PX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOi9I-000108-4t - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOi9G-0000yU-JF - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOi9G-0000yD-BF - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:30 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.66] (helo=web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOiBj-0000GR-Qs - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 41174 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2006 21:56:29 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=ZsXYTgKE7CE2U6U5TaUQSj9vJCmSrFpHqkYy7Xz6yXeAUjFT2sy43dnmM6TXMoAANI3kZtLxjw9pC2thybs0e9DicySFhvKBk1iq3ttwPmWSdT48Esh4mOd7u66pV3ttzdcbQ25jfciGp6jeOTe9tOmAmJ408e9ptZNXUC1I1t8= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:56:29 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Question concerning types... @@ -44525,25 +31457,6 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOiCB-0002OP-7n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOiC8-0002Nn-Sg - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOiC7-0002NH-H7 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiC7-0002NA-6q - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:59:27 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.18] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOiEa-0000Qu-NJ - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:02:00 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-59-41.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-59-41.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.223.41]) - by mwinf1916.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D8C51C000A8; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:59:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Cliff Yapp @@ -44554,28 +31467,28 @@ Le samedi 16 septembre 2006 =E0 13:54 -0700, C Y a =E9crit : [...] -> (1) -> Q =3D=3D Quaternion Fraction Integer; -> =20 +> (1) -> Q == Quaternion Fraction Integer; +> > Type: Void -> (2) -> m(a1: Q, a2: Q, a3: Q, a4: Q): Matrix Q :=3D +> (2) -> m(a1: Q, a2: Q, a3: Q, a4: Q): Matrix Q := > matrix[[a1,a2],[a3,a4]]; -> 2) ->=20 +> 2) -> > Q is not a valid type. -> (2) -> Q =20 -> Compiling body of rule Q to compute value of type Domain=20 -> Loading /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/INT.o for domain Integer=20 -> Loading /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/FRAC.o for domain=20 -> Fraction=20 -> Loading /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/QUAT.o for domain=20 -> Quaternion=20 ->=20 -> =20 +> (2) -> Q +> Compiling body of rule Q to compute value of type Domain +> Loading /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/INT.o for domain Integer +> Loading /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/FRAC.o for domain +> Fraction +> Loading /usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/QUAT.o for domain +> Quaternion +> +> > >> System error: > Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged] Humm... And you continue to work with this Axiom session, you're completely crazy :-) I don't know what can I think about the expression -"Q =3D=3D Quaternion Fraction Integer". Nevertheless I think you can repo= +"Q == Quaternion Fraction Integer". Nevertheless I think you can repo= rt this to IssueTracker, I consider this as critical. @@ -44585,27 +31498,8 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOiLi-0008Bc-Bg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:09:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOiLg-000898-Lo - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:09:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOiLf-000870-26 - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:09:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOiLe-00086t-Uy - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:09:18 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOiO8-0001k9-OD - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:11:52 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-59-41.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-59-41.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.223.41]) - by mwinf1902.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7EDE61C00097 - for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:09:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:09:11 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender] to gmx.de @@ -44667,28 +31561,6 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOjnS-00049M-65 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOjnQ-00047u-5x - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOjnO-00046p-Cl - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOjnO-00046Z-7d - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:42:02 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOjps-0001G1-Jj - for list; 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From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -44877,28 +31697,6 @@ standing for a value, but you did not say which. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOkZp-0002o4-De - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:32:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOkZn-0002nn-VD - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:32:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOkZl-0002nb-Ok - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:32:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOkZl-0002nY-Ln - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:32:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOkcG-0004pH-MM - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:34:36 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8H0VvHH001790 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:31:57 +0200 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:33:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp @@ -44941,28 +31739,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOnmH-0004JP-PJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:57:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOnmG-0004HR-Ut - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:57:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOnmF-0004Dk-KJ - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:57:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOnmF-0004DX-GT - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:57:07 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.72] (helo=web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOnom-00041t-Eq - for list; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:59:44 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21453 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2006 03:57:06 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=hyeb8Il72U1gK09hHntR6oWDQEBaiqoLWaxm9WoVaBFGsRkroVIEUzN77hAF8LKMtq+mf+0TAK0XzRJAMGVplHxQi4ADXzJtqam10kuxU4S39l6H3WHBs+rx6ytAtL8xSg1HE8vefeHssq5za2aV0gMMIQQJHICrde7+IWlwvRo= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:57:06 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Question concerning types... @@ -45031,26 +31807,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOoJF-0005TQ-Qi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:31:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOoJE-0005RE-9Z - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:31:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOoJC-0005QT-Ny - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:31:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOoJC-0005QQ-KT - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:31:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.80] (helo=mail260.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOoLj-0007AD-W9 - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:33:48 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mail260.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8H4UmaW010552; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:31:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:31 -0400 @@ -45058,18 +31815,18 @@ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:31 -0400 Cc: list On September 16, 2006 5:59 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 +> > Le samedi 16 septembre 2006 =E0 13:54 -0700, C Y a =E9crit : > > ... > > >> System error: > > Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged] ->=20 +> > Humm... And you continue to work with this Axiom session, you're -> completely crazy :-) I don't know what can I think about the=20 -> expression "Q =3D=3D Quaternion Fraction Integer". Nevertheless I = +> completely crazy :-) I don't know what can I think about the +> expression "Q == Quaternion Fraction Integer". Nevertheless I = think > you can report this to IssueTracker, I consider this as critical. ->=20 +> I agree with Greg, this should be reported as a bug in IssueTracker. @@ -45081,26 +31838,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOolj-0007NT-Fl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOolf-0007Hp-47 - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOole-0007GV-0w - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOold-0007GD-Mk - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:33 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.62] (helo=mail242.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GOooB-0000bv-5c - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:03:11 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail242.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8H50BeF013016; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:06 -0400 @@ -45372,32 +32110,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOozp-0002ea-CC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:15:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOozm-0002ag-Re - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:15:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOozl-0002ZR-76 - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:15:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOozk-0002ZN-Tg - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:15:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOp2I-0001bD-La - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:17:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB7D4F3CB; - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:15:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8H5CsBk031268; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:12:57 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8H5Cslc031267; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:12:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -45528,39 +32240,13 @@ eval() \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOp4g-0000ON-4z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:20:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOp4e-0000NJ-Lc - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:20:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOp4d-0000Mw-6E - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:20:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOp4d-0000Mr-0o - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:20:11 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOp7A-0001r0-Uo - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:49 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1320410C3; - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:20:07 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8H5HvCF031311; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:17:59 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8H5HvD7031310; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:17:57 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Sep 2006 07:17:57 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -45587,28 +32273,6 @@ FreeMonoid Variable Integer \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOqVR-0002kZ-KK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:51:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOqVP-0002ec-Jj - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:51:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GOqVN-0002ZC-Kr - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:51:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GOqVN-0002YU-FX - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:51:53 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.69] (helo=web56710.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GOqXw-0007WL-7A - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:54:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32581 invoked by uid 60001); 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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:44:44 -0400 @@ -46845,39 +33276,13 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3Re-0002p0-F7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:40:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3Rc-0002oQ-To - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:40:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3RV-0002lf-JA - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:40:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GP3RV-0002lc-Bg - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:40:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GP3UC-00032q-1V - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:43:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916AD413D2; - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8HKcQ3l009241; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:38:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8HKcPHZ009240; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:38:25 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Papers on Indefinites From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:38:25 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -46904,39 +33309,13 @@ As I said earlier, think of it as use of types programming languages. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3Yq-0006vb-Ti - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:48:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3Yp-0006tU-Hf - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:48:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3Ym-0006ss-Mt - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:48:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GP3Ym-0006sp-H6 - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:48:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GP3bT-0003re-9y - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:51:03 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB53D41308; - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:48:13 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8HKk0uc009278; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:46:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8HKk0gS009277; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:46:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:46:00 +0200 Cc: list, 'William Sit' William Sit -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -46958,32 +33337,6 @@ I don't follow. Could you elavorate? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3tY-0004gZ-0f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:09:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3tW-0004e5-Fh - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:09:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP3tV-0004a3-9I - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:09:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GP3tU-0004Zl-F4 - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:09:40 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GP3wB-0006Sw-Fu - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:12:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EA3D087; - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:09:39 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-3-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3166AD275; 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Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:11:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: GCL on MAC OSX (powerpc) From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 18 Sep 2006 03:11:44 +0200 Cc: Camm Maguire, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Camm, | @@ -47191,32 +33492,6 @@ What are the symptoms? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP7uB-0007h6-Pm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:26:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP7u9-0007e5-SJ - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:26:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP7u8-0007bw-G0 - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:26:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GP7u8-0007bq-Al - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:26:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GP7wr-0000hi-QY - for list; 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So why is it specified again @@ -47493,28 +33642,6 @@ libspad.a? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP9d4-00017J-Mn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:17:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP9d2-000139-Ia - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:17:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GP9cy-0000wk-QZ - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:17:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GP9cy-0000wR-FS - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:17:00 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.74] (helo=web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GP9fj-0001FO-6B - for list; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:19:51 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29770 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2006 03:16:59 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=woqTfkOHRYt/bNftTiamDI+km8S7IfG6/E06Ejx1BswcW2L+DOjGB/9u6RFQE9YSKsTPZ2H8m4lwVAugVsUyNx3c9BjT5lM551SUa8O7WEnsZoAV0UNqe9n9rEycModrZZJfJTWp1Det71jz24yrp+XdD5y8lQAt5bDf3wWsT9w= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:16:59 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: LaTeX source of the Rosetta document? @@ -47535,7 +33662,7 @@ and occasionally go back and edit the pamphlet file? Cheers, CY ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > > Is the LaTeX source code of this also available somewhere? > @@ -47554,26 +33681,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPAdZ-0005SK-B8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPAdY-0005RR-3T - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPAdV-0005RC-IM - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPAdV-0005R9-D4 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:37 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPAgG-0006yU-Lb - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:24:28 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8I4LKcU011103; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: LaTeX source of the Rosetta document? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:21 -0400 @@ -47633,34 +33741,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPB4L-0000Kp-9n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:49:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPB4I-0000Ee-Kq - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:49:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPB4H-0000C1-M8 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:49:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPB4H-0000Bk-Gk - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:49:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPB72-00014g-W0 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:52:09 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8I4n6wQ027185 - for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:49:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30259 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 04:49:07 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 18 Sep 2006 04:49:07 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8I4eNs06937; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:40:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:40:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis on 18 Sep 2006 04:55:08 +0200) <200609180211.k8I2BRB06787@localhost.localdomain> @@ -47693,32 +33775,6 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPCvE-0003G4-Lp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:48:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPCvC-0003Fd-RX - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:48:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPCvA-0003DU-BU - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:48:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPCv9-0003DA-O1 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:48:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPCxw-0002uY-A5 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:50:52 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4CA411D8; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:47:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8I6jgEO015396; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:45:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8I6jgZU015395; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:45:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly <200609180211.k8I2BRB06787@localhost.localdomain> @@ -47728,7 +33784,7 @@ Date: 18 Sep 2006 08:45:38 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: libspad.a, cfuns-c.o sockio-c.c and friends -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > I guess another way to phrase my question is what is the difference | > between specifying an object file directly, from as included via @@ -47748,28 +33804,6 @@ nothing in GCL references symbols from libspad.a. 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- Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:29:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:31:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly @@ -47800,28 +33834,6 @@ On 09/15/2006 05:28 AM, root wrote: \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPG7q-0000tA-UJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:13:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPG7p-0000qn-L8 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:13:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPG7o-0000pF-OL - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:13:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPG7o-0000p3-Lm - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:13:16 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPGAd-000851-3D - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:16:11 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8IAD2HH020645 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:13:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:14:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -48079,28 +34091,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPGn4-0006Y3-Ir - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:55:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPGn2-0006Um-Kz - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:55:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPGn1-0006UE-BL - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:55:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPGn1-0006UB-4J - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:55:51 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPGpp-0003M0-Se - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 06:58:46 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8IAteHH024563 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:55:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:57:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -48225,32 +34215,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPGu4-0001cR-Vd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPGu3-0001VV-1a - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPGty-00019K-0r - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPGtx-00018p-Pu - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:03:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPGwm-0004b4-If - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:05:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17F54F3A4; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:02:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8IB0hkF018627; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:00:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8IB0hTV018626; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:00:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Question concerning types... @@ -48274,9 +34238,9 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: | > I don't think it should be Variable(Integer). For me, | > Variable(Integer) means a symbol who interpretation is of type | > Integer. -|=20 +| | OK, I can live with that. But that is saying that you don't just -| *lift* the operations from Integer to Variable(Integer).=20 +| *lift* the operations from Integer to Variable(Integer). I really meant *lift*, in the following sense: @@ -48284,19 +34248,19 @@ I really meant *lift*, in the following sense: | | binOp | | lift(binOp) v v - Integer ------------> Variable Integer=20=20 -=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= -=20 + Integer ------------> Variable Integer += + (the horizontal arrows are to be elaborated). | In Integer | you would have -|=20 +| | +: (%, %) -> %; -|=20 +| | in Variable(Integer) you'd have -|=20 +| | +: (%, %) -> FreeMonoid %; I certainly want to say (x+y) + (s+t), so I think I really want to have @@ -48329,20 +34293,20 @@ Kind of. | > | And that is not possible if you just define "Indefinite" having one | > | argument D. I'm clear why not. Could you explain this a bit | > further? -|=20 +| | Because that would require that each domain exports its | category. So? -| Remember, Aldor does not have reflection.=20 +| Remember, Aldor does not have reflection. If you don't want me to quote Axiom or other systems to you, why are -you quoting Aldor to me?=20 +you quoting Aldor to me? | You get D and | currently the only way to ask something about the type of D is -|=20 +| | D has CATX yes, and that is quite limited, I know. But, we are discussing a @@ -48354,7 +34318,7 @@ reason that answer my request above. | > | > | (1) -> (a1,a2,a3,a4):Expression Quaternion Fraction Integer | > | > | Type: Void -| > | > | (2) -> m :=3D matrix[[a1,a2],[a3,a4]] +| > | > | (2) -> m := matrix[[a1,a2],[a3,a4]] | > | > | | +a1 a2+ | > | > | (2) | | | > | > | +a3 a4+ @@ -48374,7 +34338,7 @@ bra | > say | > m * m | > That matches my expectation. -|=20 +| | Oh, please don't quote Axiom or any other system, I know they are | relaxed and do what you expect. @@ -48392,19 +34356,19 @@ variable in C? | > | If that prints something reasonable | > | then it tells me that the compiler knows about a special domain | > | constructor, namely Expression. -|=20 +| | > yes. -|=20 +| | Maybe I was not clear enough. I meant, that then the compiler has the | Expression domain built-in. That would be something that I would not | really like. The compiler and the interpreter should not know about -| mathematics.=20 +| mathematics. They have to know about *something*. That something would hardly be -sport games.=20=20 +sport games. I suspect you instead wanted them to know as minimum as possible of -mathematics.=20 +mathematics. [...] @@ -48422,11 +34386,11 @@ cide | > yes, but in my model much of the documentation is moved to code. In | > this case, I would like to see properties() used to attach | > mathematical properties. -|=20 +| | I am really curious, what model you have. What should -|=20 +| | properties()$Integer -|=20 +| | return? Currently properties() take basic operators -- see the doc. @@ -48438,7 +34402,7 @@ version of Mathematica's Attributes[]. | > | But that | > | is not a nice thing to take into account for the compiler. | > Why? -|=20 +| | I meant that the documentation is not formal enough for a compiler. yes, but you can't completly remove documentation. All you can wish @@ -48447,14 +34411,14 @@ compiler understand. | >>From my point of view, the type of an operation is just as important | > as its algebraic properties. -|=20 +| | Oh, yes, I completely agree. Axiom should have axioms. ;-) -|=20 +| | > | It would be | > | much better if Aldor allowed to state associativity in a formal manne= r. | > SPAD does. See properties() -|=20 +| | Sorry, if you mean that, that is not formal enough for me. You just | declare commutative("*") and you are done. @@ -48462,13 +34426,13 @@ yes, just as you declare axioms for your mathematical structures. You certainly don't want people to prove their axioms? | If you start with the Peano -| Axioms then commutativity is not a declaration it requires a proof.=20 +| Axioms then commutativity is not a declaration it requires a proof. If I start there, then probably. But what if I do not? If you want to take it that way, do you really want Axiom not to use the hardware for interger arithmetic but, instead go backt o Church -numerals?=20=20 +numerals? I don't. @@ -48494,28 +34458,6 @@ more "primitive" blocks. But, the real practice rarely is starts from \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHCg-00016y-QH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:22:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHCf-00015O-LK - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:22:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHCe-00014X-V8 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:22:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPHCe-00014J-PP - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:22:20 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPHFT-00068t-U7 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:25:16 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8IBMAHH025293 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:22:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:23:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -48618,32 +34560,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHE0-00043h-9v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:23:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHDy-0003xE-91 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:23:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHDx-0003vq-N4 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:23:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPHDx-0003vP-F8 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:23:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPHGm-0006EQ-I7 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:26:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3764F439; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:23:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8IBLMTZ019120; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:21:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8IBLMaH019119; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:21:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke <450CF922.3020405@hemmecke.de> @@ -48802,28 +34718,6 @@ constructors, that is another area where you have lot of troubles. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHXs-0007FP-M6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:44:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHXq-0007Es-Sl - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:44:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHXn-00079I-88 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:44:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPHXn-00079F-24 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:44:11 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.68] (helo=web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPHac-0002s4-Gw - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:47:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 48244 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2006 11:44:10 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Pvtg+wQsc4WdWlwlFQDpj5zYLOxZdlxMDtGJm25MHZPRXdDGAvYOem/NRQ4qel9AhINJrkef/xZsdale2IdOE6DVL8Fn3T56xZIrSLe9MuB5HHX26c99BqNq5YJt17ZDk9kYpRLzNliagjxsp3X9edNBEcZ6PPQpP/f6+ke0Bpw= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:44:10 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: LaTeX source of the Rosetta document? @@ -48894,28 +34788,6 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHpR-0001Fa-2a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:02:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHpO-0001Db-Iw - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:02:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHpM-0001Bz-CK - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:02:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPHpM-0001Bl-3o - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:02:20 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPHsB-0006Aj-C3 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:05:15 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8IC2AHH026471 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:02:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:49 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -48925,9 +34797,9 @@ Cc: list On 09/18/2006 01:00 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | > | So I still disagree with you that x+y should be of type > | > | FreeMonoid(Variable(Integer)). From what I said above, it seems m= ore @@ -48937,48 +34809,48 @@ d > | > I don't think it should be Variable(Integer). For me, > | > Variable(Integer) means a symbol who interpretation is of type > | > Integer. -> |=20 +> | > | OK, I can live with that. But that is saying that you don't just -> | *lift* the operations from Integer to Variable(Integer).=20 ->=20 +> | *lift* the operations from Integer to Variable(Integer). +> > I really meant *lift*, in the following sense: ->=20 +> > Integer =D7 Integer ---> Variable Integer =D7 Variable Integer > | | > binOp | | lift(binOp) > v v -> Integer ------------> Variable Integer =20 -> =20 ->=20 +> Integer ------------> Variable Integer +> +> > (the horizontal arrows are to be elaborated). -OK, I want it exactly so. But now you are saying yourself that the type=20 -of x+y from above should be Variable(Integer) and not the FreeMonoid=20 +OK, I want it exactly so. But now you are saying yourself that the type +of x+y from above should be Variable(Integer) and not the FreeMonoid thing. ;-) > | In Integer > | you would have -> |=20 +> | > | +: (%, %) -> %; -> |=20 +> | > | in Variable(Integer) you'd have -> |=20 +> | > | +: (%, %) -> FreeMonoid %; ->=20 +> > I certainly want to say (x+y) + (s+t), so I think I really want to have= ->=20 +> > + : ($, $) -> $ ->=20 +> > in Variable Integer -- or FreeMonoid $, whatever it is called. -Yep, exactly what I said. In Variable(D), Category of D in and Category=20 +Yep, exactly what I said. In Variable(D), Category of D in and Category of D out. So the type of Variable (or Indefinite) would be... hmm I need = an extra argument... (aaaahhh, I had that yesterday...) -Indefinite(C: Catagory)(D: C): C =3D=3D add { - Rep =3D=3D Union(d: D, ???) +Indefinite(C: Catagory)(D: C): C == add { + Rep == Union(d: D, ???) ... } @@ -48990,13 +34862,13 @@ Indefinite(C: Catagory)(D: C): C =3D=3D add { ne > | > | argument D. I'm clear why not. Could you explain this a bit > | > further? -> |=20 +> | > | Because that would require that each domain exports its > | category. > So? -> | Remember, Aldor does not have reflection.=20 +> | Remember, Aldor does not have reflection. > If you don't want me to quote Axiom or other systems to you, why are > you quoting Aldor to me? @@ -49005,7 +34877,7 @@ I cannot program with reflections in Axiom either. ;-) > | > | > | (1) -> (a1,a2,a3,a4):Expression Quaternion Fraction Integer > | > | > | Type: Void -> | > | > | (2) -> m :=3D matrix[[a1,a2],[a3,a4]] +> | > | > | (2) -> m := matrix[[a1,a2],[a3,a4]] > | > | > | | +a1 a2+ > | > | > | (2) | | > | > | > | +a3 a4+ @@ -49019,11 +34891,11 @@ ore r > | given a1 a value, so the memory location is probably the nil pointer.= ->=20 +> > That does not make any sense to me. How do you declare a symbolic > variable in C? -How do you declare a symbolic variable in SPAD? As a demonstration, a=20 +How do you declare a symbolic variable in SPAD? As a demonstration, a short program ---BEGIN aaa.spad @@ -49031,9 +34903,9 @@ short program RHxPkg(): with foo: Integer -> Expression Integer - =3D=3D add - foo(n: Integer): Expression Integer =3D=3D - k: Expression(Integer) -- :=3D "x"::Symbol :: Expression(Integer) + == add + foo(n: Integer): Expression Integer == + k: Expression(Integer) -- := "x"::Symbol :: Expression(Integer) n*k ---END aaa.spad @@ -49047,46 +34919,46 @@ and be surprised. > | Expression domain built-in. That would be something that I would not > | really like. The compiler and the interpreter should not know about -> | mathematics.=20 ->=20 +> | mathematics. +> > They have to know about *something*. That something would hardly be -> sport games. =20 ->=20 +> sport games. +> > I suspect you instead wanted them to know as minimum as possible of -> mathematics.=20 +> mathematics. Yes. > | I meant that the documentation is not formal enough for a compiler. ->=20 +> > yes, but you can't completly remove documentation. All you can wish > is to move as much as possible from documentation to something the > compiler understand. Of course. I stick to the LP paradigm. I am not a computer and computers = -are my slaves. If I just tell them to prove some stupid theorem for me=20 +are my slaves. If I just tell them to prove some stupid theorem for me they should do it. ;-) > | If you start with the Peano -> | Axioms then commutativity is not a declaration it requires a proof.=20 +> | Axioms then commutativity is not a declaration it requires a proof. > If I start there, then probably. But what if I do not? -Well, I know we don't start always from zero, but we should always have=20 +Well, I know we don't start always from zero, but we should always have a knowledge base in the background and your definitions and theorems are = -based on that knowledge base. If the commutativity proof is inside the=20 +based on that knowledge base. If the commutativity proof is inside the base then fine, otherwise you are not doing mathematics. > If you want to take it that way, do you really want Axiom not to use > the hardware for interger arithmetic but, instead go backt o Church -> numerals? =20 ->=20 +> numerals? +> > I don't. -Neither do I, but state the basic Axioms (which would be hardware=20 -integers or GMP) and then go from there. So commutativity in that case=20 +Neither do I, but state the basic Axioms (which would be hardware +integers or GMP) and then go from there. So commutativity in that case would be an axiom. > | So it's a theorem. @@ -49102,32 +34974,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHt9-00048Z-Hl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:06:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHt7-00047p-FH - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:06:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPHt4-000474-33 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:06:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPHt3-00046v-Jf - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:06:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPHvt-0006dV-8d - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:09:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D590940F67; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:06:07 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8IC3pwi019658; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8IC3pKV019657; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Question concerning types... <450E81C6.2050409@hemmecke.de> @@ -49155,28 +35001,6 @@ yes, but that does not negate the lifting semantics. 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Nothing I tried would place an @@ -49665,28 +35325,6 @@ Jay \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPKQr-00011C-I3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPKQp-0000yB-QY - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPKQl-0000oo-PS - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPKQl-0000oC-EY - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:07 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPKTc-0005F1-4A - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:52:04 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8IEn2HH001538 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:49:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:50:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly @@ -49930,26 +35568,7 @@ just the range with no independent variable. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPLZw-0004gq-Fa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:02:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPLZr-0004fH-Ep - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:02:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPLZn-0004cu-2a - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:02:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPLZm-0004cb-HF - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:02:30 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.83] (helo=mail263.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPLcd-0000an-Lk - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:05:27 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail263.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8IG1nLY023266; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:02:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:01:42 -0400 @@ -50158,28 +35777,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPNFc-000355-SL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPNFa-00030Y-Tb - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPNFX-0002uJ-QK - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPNFX-0002th-Fd - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:49:43 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.64] (helo=web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPNIQ-0000lq-E9 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:52:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 64965 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2006 17:49:42 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=07+VGhzrMfOvnx4mJ9cpFvbwKt0NgbfarRDHWkUD97KEYBGA8Hug2AW4ipPpraGMsB+6uCWZZSmiGxPWXoQtQftblN1ygvOeRCki0hpXYbvz5yLGMW1uasxecCXxHHGN46w8eGiH2N3iGRB54ar6ZNZ+neqCME0dcS1+k7O0CUo= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:42 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... @@ -50210,26 +35807,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPNfF-0001mx-1Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:16:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPNfD-0001lJ-TG - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:16:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPNfC-0001gx-8s - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPNfC-0001gm-5X - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:16:14 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.28] (helo=mail208.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPNi5-0003im-JP - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:19:13 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail208.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8IIFq5Y016391; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:16:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:15:49 -0400 @@ -50296,34 +35874,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPOT4-0008S9-Vu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:07:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPOT3-0008OF-5J - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:07:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPOT0-0008FP-9e - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:07:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPOT0-0008FH-4C - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:07:42 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPOVt-0006Q2-Nw - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:10:41 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8IJ7NqF002549 - for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:07:33 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10665 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 19:07:23 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.19.185]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 18 Sep 2006 19:07:23 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8IIwYH07659; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:58:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:58:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 @@ -50403,26 +35955,7 @@ Tim, for the group \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPDI-0007cU-5M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:55:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPDF-0007c2-U5 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:55:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPDD-0007aC-CU - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:55:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPPDD-0007Zn-7m - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:55:27 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.180] (helo=mail60c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPPG7-0003zJ-Cu - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:58:27 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail60c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8IJsq1B013834; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:55:17 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:54:45 -0400 @@ -50514,29 +36047,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPVv-0000pg-7u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPVt-0000mN-LD - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPVr-0000i7-8w - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPPVq-0000hM-P6 - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:42 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.230] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPPYl-0005we-1Z - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:17:43 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so1456541wri - for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:14:38 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=bELJF7DwvzjyMLlPjlI9ipPnLE8ccySFCeMVyEv0O1rOypiFZWVEMWH7BeFtrPdTBDP7qfNP4vnnAe0RZOfROUzny4/cmnMP3JgDEGUnA6IW4cfwk5Y6wkk6ShhkmVmnRUMc+1g4kLiYlUzl4iEoAUykqc00Xpnz3ds48pefl20= -Received: by 10.90.105.19 with SMTP id d19mr4984250agc; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:14:38 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:36 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly @@ -50554,32 +36064,6 @@ Should the project be deleted from: http://code.google.com/p/axiom/ ? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPXI-0002LK-0X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:16:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPXG-0002Gd-0Z - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:16:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPPXD-0002Cj-Jz - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:16:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPPXD-0002Cg-EQ - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:16:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPPa7-00063N-LI - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:19:07 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AD84F3CA; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:15:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8IKDlOS027932; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:13:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8IKDluq027931; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:13:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -50593,7 +36077,7 @@ Many thanks for posting the summary of the conference. Below I add a small precision. -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -50624,28 +36108,6 @@ Have fun! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQ8F-0003B7-KS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:54:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQ8E-00039i-TU - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:54:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQ8D-000381-VR - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:54:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQ8D-00037M-MD - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:54:21 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPQB7-00012P-SF - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:57:22 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8IKsCHH014848 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:54:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:55:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -50843,90 +36305,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQCm-0003IM-2q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:59:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQCk-0003Hq-QJ - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:59:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQCg-0003FR-Ay - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:59:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQCg-0003FM-5z - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:58:58 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPQFa-0001Oi-Gy - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:01:58 -0400 -Received: from asus ([206.47.29.248]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8IKwXba008191; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:58:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 -Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:58:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list - -Alfredo, - -On September 18, 2006 4:15 PM you wrote: -> Tim Daly wrote: -> > 9) Google objects to having binaries in the zips directory. -> > It was agreed that since Google was only a method of getting -> > around the breakage of Sourcforge SVN and that we plan to put -> > SVN on axiom-developer therefore we should ignore Google going -> > forward. -> -> Should the project be deleted from: http://code.google.com/p/axiom/ ? -> - -In my opinion we should keep our options open and not delete the Google -project - at least not yet. A presence on Google is very high profile and -could have some advantages in the long run even if they are too stingey -with disk space to host our existing entire Axiom source archive. - -In spite of planning the mirror the SourceForge SVN archive on -axiom-developer.org, I think maintaining a smaller archive on Google - -containing only the most experimental branch, i.e. build-improvements, -is still a good idea. - -Of course this needs someone to manage it and keep it up to date -with the main build-improvements branch on SourceForge (or axiom- -developer). So we can only go with option if someone like you, Alfredo, -is willing to take on this task. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQYC-0003XP-D9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:21:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQYA-0003Sh-3H - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:21:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPQY9-0003RV-9e - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:21:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPQY9-0003R8-5L - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:21:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPQb3-0003nh-Vw - for list; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:24:10 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8ILL6HH016040 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); 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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:19:00 -0400 @@ -51539,32 +36812,9 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPZGl-0003Rs-2e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:39:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPZGi-0003Qj-Ue - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:39:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPZGi-0003QD-AP - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:39:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPZGi-0003Py-11 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:39:44 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPZJi-00068A-HA - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:42:50 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so4940599wxc - for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:39:43 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=JePAJgwihZhdkuas4DEZZLv4Es+5UbAJV6TuoALKgNehkWYRiUKf2BtPFmWnGk24FKpPlW6qO7yrHJP83jWl74xjJ1cMXYZ5seD3jsjSqYtV94oGTwf6iCoH4a1eLlJYt/vPtIOSyqgyfn7mulQT/rHOMdhuTkthXWIZjOBeEa4= -Received: by 10.90.72.10 with SMTP id u10mr5106798aga; - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:39:43 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:39:43 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 <00c001c6db7f$300ff700$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: list @@ -51579,24 +36829,6 @@ Yes. I just finished a new trial again with 49 and 50 at the same time. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPcV6-0001yz-GA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:06:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPcV4-0001wM-7w - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:06:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPcV3-0001vC-A7 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:06:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPcV3-0001v1-7n - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:06:45 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPcY6-0002UF-2Y - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:09:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Sep 2006 10:06:42 -0000 -Received: from p549F77D0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.119.208] - by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 12:06:42 +0200 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 From: Kai Kaminski @@ -51607,7 +36839,7 @@ Cc: list Sorry for disappearing suddenly, my internet connection went down. I'm not sure what the problem was but it works again. -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > 2) Tim looked at porting Axiom to the MAC. > @@ -51643,28 +36875,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPhNj-0000H5-8A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:19:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPhNh-0000At-Ez - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:19:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPhNf-0008TF-4w - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:19:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPhNf-0008Sv-19 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:19:27 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPhQk-00064j-Fj - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8JFJGHH026333 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:19:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:20:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -51714,26 +36924,7 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPiPo-0006io-Rs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPiPn-0006gc-KS - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPiPl-0006du-TC - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPiPl-0006di-Qv - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.133] (helo=mail13c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPiSr-0005yn-VE - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:28:54 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail13c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8JGPDDH025597; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:07 -0400 @@ -51824,27 +37015,8 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPiWW-00044M-Pu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:32:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPiWT-00041s-VU - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:32:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPiWP-0003xW-Lo - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:32:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPiWP-0003x5-E5 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:32:33 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.18] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPiZV-0006rj-Ly - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:35:45 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-39-245.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-39-245.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.193.245]) - by mwinf1916.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CF89B1C0013C - for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:32:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:31:48 +0200 Subject: Verbatim LaTeX in src/doc/book.pamphlet @@ -51861,32 +37033,9 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPjEM-00047k-KY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:17:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPjEL-00046t-AH - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:17:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPjEJ-00044p-Rk - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:17:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPjEJ-00044Z-Mp - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:17:55 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.231] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPjHQ-0002oA-Et - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:21:08 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so1641704wri - for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=r0L04F//aNSX3ctk1yjw4/ejt3P91rJQTUUuoavgdMtdkfVOJ1F3MAK0QgJy82MtRT5YrR/VloykSneo9iNNLs5tANfuOO+ij6dNwagqHT/M6cqdARezXlhdCNuSkPANnBfKNIrKiPVIsIcRM92CLj1/yl0/AC7WGPDhnM40cAo= -Received: by 10.90.63.16 with SMTP id l16mr5657005aga; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:17:54 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:17:53 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 <00ad01c6db65$3938ee50$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: list @@ -51909,28 +37058,6 @@ Should I put Silver on the repository? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPk0A-0007GW-SX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:07:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPk09-0007Fo-C4 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:07:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPk06-0007Dv-UZ - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:07:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPk05-0007D6-R4 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:07:18 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPk3C-0007cQ-L8 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:10:30 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8JI7CHH003339 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:07:13 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:08:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -52040,30 +37167,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPlk3-0002Wb-8M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPlk1-0002W9-1z - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPljy-0002Vx-En - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPljy-0002Vu-9V - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPln6-0008Ii-DM - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:02:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CA1CD68E5F; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D929A68E25; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:43 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: Google Code repository (was: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:58:42 -0400 @@ -52075,16 +37178,16 @@ To: Alfredo Portes Cc: list On Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:18 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: ->=20 ->=20 -> For what I have read, build-improvements will be gone after=20 +> +> +> For what I have read, build-improvements will be gone after > Gaby's work is completed and added to Silver -> Gold. > It wont be gone, it will be merged back into Silver Trunk and someday merged into Gold (if/when Tim Daly is convinced that this is the right way to build Axiom). -=20 + > Should I put Silver on the repository? The terminology is still rather confusing, but from my point @@ -52104,29 +37207,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPluE-00065R-Nj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:09:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPluD-000650-Sz - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:09:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPluC-00062V-6o - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:09:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPluB-00062S-Tp - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:09:19 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.234] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPlxK-0000o5-Am - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:12:34 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so1601455wri - for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:09:19 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=CeIzje7n6ya0z8tEHsgbuKN2RNQIF4hprkV4mQiNGbQoOFlco8meexZGOQW+dPja+GCkue5rrwpJltYNjj2gdhTNiKkHyC4LcJMT9v3EkMQfaly/IFlcxJqbOIaF8+A1CTv8C+kTzsGwTZmI2PPw15MJrzBTO8F6trBQ41pXbq4= -Received: by 10.90.54.4 with SMTP id c4mr5820231aga; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:09:18 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:09:18 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page @@ -52161,28 +37241,6 @@ Alfredo \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPm2B-0006Du-M7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:17:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPm29-00069Y-6t - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:17:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPm26-00064d-Ie - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:17:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPm26-00064N-B7 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:17:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPm5E-0001W1-IO - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:20:44 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8JKHRHH010017 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:17:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:19:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -52216,30 +37274,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmWs-000264-7t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmWq-0001z3-Ap - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmWm-0001jU-FU - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPmWm-0001j9-Ak - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPmZu-0004Bp-Rh - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:52:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 76BF768E54; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 729AF68EEF; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:09 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:08 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbcKKY+1CfdAIBjR/O2FB5j09VemgAAjmNQ @@ -52249,18 +37283,18 @@ Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository On Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:19 PM Ralf Hemmecke ->=20 +> > >> Should I put Silver on the repository? > > -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > The terminology is still rather confusing, but from my point > > of view the axiom.build-improvements branch is a branch of > > Silver. ->=20 +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-09/msg00344.ht ml ->=20 +> > The terminology is actually not confusing. What I meant was that in spite of the email referenced above, it @@ -52270,7 +37304,7 @@ I know someone suggested that we start to use Bronze etc. but I am not sure that that would help. > The point is that we should *not* call the whole SourceForge SVN -> repository Silver, but only the trunk. Otherwise Silver =3D +> repository Silver, but only the trunk. Otherwise Silver = > Sourceforge/Axiom (with now 3 or 4 (different) branches of the > axiom Sources). @@ -52283,14 +37317,14 @@ to these a "Gold" or not. There are actually more like 10 of these branchs and one of them is the axiom--windows--1 branch. That is the only branch that builds on Windows now. Do we call it Gold? ->=20 +> > > I would still prefer that we duplicate the most experiment > > branch i.e. build-improvements, at Google. ->=20 -> Whatever we put there, we are probably only doing this to be=20 +> +> Whatever we put there, we are probably only doing this to be > present at Google. I guess nobody will seriously use the Google > repository until build-improvements is merged with Silver. ->=20 +> I hope that is not the case. @@ -52310,28 +37344,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmso-0001Q3-GW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:11:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmsm-0001KK-FO - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:11:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmsl-0001II-Bm - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:11:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPmsl-0001Hx-6B - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:11:55 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPmvt-0006mS-Ro - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:15:10 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8JLBpHH012160 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:11:51 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:13:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page @@ -52373,32 +37385,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmtz-0004sO-0h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:13:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmtx-0004kp-2G - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:13:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPmtv-0004ei-IV - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:13:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPmtv-0004eQ-C2 - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:13:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPmx4-0006ub-DX - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:16:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323554F3C7; 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- Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:31:52 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Google Code repository (was: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006) @@ -52518,30 +37455,6 @@ Thanks Gaby. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPnFw-0003vq-3x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPnFv-0003vk-Bn - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPnFt-0003uC-Uc - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPnFt-0003u3-QG - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPnJ2-0000QK-RC - for list; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:39:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C6FAF68E20; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id ECC3468E1E; - Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbcMD+N1b4jJ5V9So6sp/5b6CLRMgAAjHIg @@ -52552,10 +37465,10 @@ Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository On Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:14 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > BTW, why cannot axiom--windows--1 be merged with axiom--main--1? > Is it so different? ->=20 +> It is different but not too different. There are changes in some of the Boot and Lisp code because Axiom uses some non- @@ -52581,43 +37494,19 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPxFG-0005RP-K6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPxFD-0005Qc-Td - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPxFB-0005Q8-2K - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPxFA-0005Q2-Ur - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPxIP-0006bf-M4 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:19:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9F08469078; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:43 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id ED06069039; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: axiom.silver Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:15:40 -0400 Thread-Topic: axiom.silver Thread-Index: AcbY2/XRZ1kREYCiT4KfxLRoZcnZQwDmovEQ From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis Camm, On Friday, September 15, 2006 11:31 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Can we finalize this stat bit please? I'm trying to get 2.6.8 out > .... @@ -52637,15 +37526,15 @@ diff -Naur gcl-2.6.8pre_orig/o/unixfsys.c gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unixfsys.c --- gcl-2.6.8pre_orig/o/unixfsys.c Sun Sep 17 17:54:43 2006 +++ gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unixfsys.c Wed Sep 20 01:03:44 2006 @@ -34,6 +34,10 @@ -=20 - #ifdef __MINGW32__=20 - # include =20 + + #ifdef __MINGW32__ + # include +/* Windows has no symlink, therefore no lstat. Without symlinks lstat + is equivalent to stat anyway. */ +# define S_ISLNK(a) 0 +# define lstat stat - #endif=20 -=20 + #endif + #ifdef BSD ---------- @@ -52674,7 +37563,7 @@ C:/DOCUME~1/bpage/LOCALS~1/Temp/ NIL ->(si:stat "bfd") =20 +>(si:stat "bfd") (:DIRECTORY 0 1158734019) @@ -52691,9 +37580,9 @@ which now looks like this: else {/* ctime_r insufficiently portable */ /* int j; ctime_r(&ss.st_ctime,filename); - j=3Dstrlen(filename); + j=strlen(filename); if (isspace(filename[j-1])) - filename[j-1]=3D0;*/ + filename[j-1]=0;*/ RETURN1(list(3,S_ISDIR(ss.st_mode) ? sKdirectory : (S_ISLNK(ss.st_mode) ? sKlink : sKfile), make_fixnum(ss.st_size),make_fixnum(ss.st_ctime))); @@ -52705,20 +37594,20 @@ So is this the result you expected from Windows? Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > In addition to knowing whether enough information is provided, I need > to know if it works on windows, macosx, and any other proprietary > system of interest. -> ...=20 -> >=20 +> ... +> > > > The easy way, which avoids the requirement of PDP-10 lisp > > comaptability :-), is si::stat. How about this: -> >=20 +> > > > Index: unixfsys.c > > = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +================= > > RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/unixfsys.c,v > > retrieving revision 1.28 > > diff -u -r1.28 unixfsys.c @@ -52729,24 +37618,24 @@ Bill Page. > > #include > > #include > > +#include -> > =20 +> > > > #define IN_UNIXFSYS > > #include "include.h" > > @@ -490,6 +491,34 @@ > > } -> > =20 -> > =20 +> > +> > > > +DEF_ORDINARY("DIRECTORY",sKdirectory,KEYWORD,""); > > +DEF_ORDINARY("LINK",sKlink,KEYWORD,""); > > +DEF_ORDINARY("FILE",sKfile,KEYWORD,""); > > + -> >=20 +> > > +DEFUN_NEW("STAT",object,fSstat,SI,1,1,NONE,OO,OO,OO,OO,(objec > t path),"") { > > + > > + char filename[4096]; > > + struct stat ss; -> > + =20 +> > + > > + > > + bzero(filename,sizeof(filename)); > > + coerce_to_filename(path,filename); @@ -52755,10 +37644,10 @@ Bill Page. > > + else { > > + int j; > > + ctime_r(&ss.st_ctime,filename); -> > + j=3Dstrlen(filename); +> > + j=strlen(filename); > > + if (isspace(filename[j-1])) -> > + filename[j-1]=3D0; -> > + RETURN1(list(3,S_ISDIR(ss.st_mode) ? sKdirectory :=20 +> > + filename[j-1]=0; +> > + RETURN1(list(3,S_ISDIR(ss.st_mode) ? sKdirectory : > > + (S_ISLNK(ss.st_mode) ? sKlink : sKfile), > > + make_fixnum(ss.st_size),make_simple_string(filename))); > > + } @@ -52766,59 +37655,37 @@ Bill Page. > > + > > + > > + -> > =20 +> > > DEFUN_NEW("SETENV",object,fSsetenv,SI,2,2,NONE,OO,OO,OO,OO,(ob > ject variable,object value),"Set environment VARIABLE to VALUE") -> > =20 +> > > > { -> >=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp/ff1.h") -> >=20 +> > > > (:LINK 9 "Tue Sep 12 12:32:58 2006") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp/ff.h") -> >=20 +> > > > (:FILE 0 "Mon Dec 5 13:52:23 2005") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp/") -> >=20 +> > > > (:DIRECTORY 81920 "Tue Sep 12 12:34:53 2006") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp") -> >=20 +> > > > (:DIRECTORY 81920 "Tue Sep 12 12:34:53 2006") -> >=20 +> > > > >(si::stat "/tmp1") -> >=20 +> > > > NIL -> > ...=20 +> > ... \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPxnu-0002iq-PP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPyQm-0003ui-3J - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPyQl-0003uR-EQ - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPyQl-0003uO-AV - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPyU1-0007pH-9E - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:35:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 759B66A41E; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:46 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7F4F76A411; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:44 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: Acbck4+rhykhny2lQZm9DF7fXL00PgAAJWGw From: Bill Page To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:05 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/BuildAxiom ->=20 +> > Is there some particular reason why one needs darcs for the > Windows build? Doesn't one have to get axiom--windows--1 > from the tla archive? ->=20 +> > I am confused. > @@ -52990,9 +37811,9 @@ moving away from it. Now we are also using SVN but (possibly because of the SourceForge problem) I have not been able to do a complete checkout of anything from the SVN repository to Windows. -=20 -> There is a tla archive axiom--windows--1 AND a darcs archive=20 -> axiom--windows--1? Unfortunately it is nowhere written that=20 + +> There is a tla archive axiom--windows--1 AND a darcs archive +> axiom--windows--1? Unfortunately it is nowhere written that > they are in sync. As noted on the BuildAxiom page they were in sync as of @@ -53005,12 +37826,12 @@ developer server, but in the end I really did very little work with Windows after we got the first working executable. > The darcs archive doesn't even appear on ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSources ->=20 +> > so it is non-existing... ;-) ... only for people who want > to run MathAction ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionRepository > @@ -53021,7 +37842,7 @@ just call the darcs version the official sources for Windows? > We simply have two many source archives and potential > contributors have to ask at the axiom-developer mailing > list which one contains the blessed sources. ->=20 +> Yes that is a problem. What is your suggested solution? @@ -53034,32 +37855,10 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz3L-0006Hf-EC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:11:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz3K-0006H7-1K - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:11:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz3H-0006GI-4u - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:11:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPz3G-0006GC-Vt - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:11:35 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPz6X-0004gI-B9 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:14:57 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8KABVHH006620 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:11:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:13:26 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -53143,30 +37942,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz6y-0001ML-FZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz6w-0001M9-DA - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz6v-0001Lx-Od - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPz6v-0001Lu-Lc - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:21 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPzAC-0004xf-5e - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:18:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2008F698FA; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:21 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6CA1169676; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:17 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: Acbckfw69eqKrUPGQcKcG5+sjO0aXgABZ29g @@ -53175,18 +37950,18 @@ To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:53 AM you wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > The path that I had in mind to do this is starting with the > > build-improvements branch on SVN since the new build environment > > is based on tecnhiques that should be portable to the Windows > > MSYS/MinGW environment and also can start with a previously > > installed version of GCL which simplifies things significantly > > on Windows. ->=20 +> > The last edit on axiom--windows--1 was 2005-03-17. Wouldn't it > make sense to merge it first with Gold (tla), then test it and > only afterwards merge with the build-improvements? I guess that @@ -53197,20 +37972,20 @@ would make the merging more or less difficult. I would like to take advantage of the new configure scripts to help detect the differences between Linux and Windows. ->=20 +> > I've just tried ->=20 -> tla get arch@axiom-developer.org--axiom/axiom--windows--1=20 +> +> tla get arch@axiom-developer.org--axiom/axiom--windows--1 > axiom--windows--1 ->=20 +> > (one line) ->=20 +> > cd axiom--windows--1 > tla star-merge arch@axiom-developer.org--axiom/axiom--main--1 ->=20 +> > Runs nicely, but gives a number of conflicts in the Makefiles > which I feel unable to resolve. :-( ->=20 +> I seriously doubt that star-merge would be of much help in merging these two sources because they work on two different @@ -53252,32 +38027,10 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz9F-0001nk-KT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:17:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz9E-0001nd-PA - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:17:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPz9B-0001mm-Ga - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:17:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPz9B-0001mi-BS - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:17:41 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPzCR-00056P-NH - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:21:04 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8KAHdHH006800 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:17:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:19:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -53361,59 +38114,35 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPza4-0006br-Mz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPza2-0006bL-R5 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPza2-0006b6-9l - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPza2-0006b2-7N - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPzdI-00089A-Qj - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:48:49 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7F0616A406; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A0ECC696F4; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:24 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: AcbcnSt75A+VYix4SiqB3DuOhJ2m8wAA8VkQ From: Bill Page To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Ralf, On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:13 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> Maybe one day we will be using bazaar-ng since that seems to=20 +> ... +> Maybe one day we will be using bazaar-ng since that seems to > be actively maintained by the ubuntu people. Ok on Linux... but Windows? -> ...=20 +> ... > Have you ever tried ->=20 +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-09/msg00321.ht ml ->=20 +> > svn co -r1 https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk trunk > cd trunk > svn update ->=20 +> > on Windows? Yes. Unfortunately it fails with the same error message as on @@ -53426,7 +38155,7 @@ Secure connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net) ----- -> ...=20 +> ... > Document on AxiomSources. That should be the place to read about > our source mess. ;-) If you bring axiom--windows--1 in sync with > the tla archive, then I add the stuff to AxiomSources. I guess, @@ -53437,15 +38166,15 @@ Secure connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net) Ok. :-( ->=20 +> > > If someone can prove that SVN actually does work reliably on > > Windows, then maybe that would be the best option? ->=20 -> Probably, then axiom--windows--1 would exist as a branch on=20 +> +> Probably, then axiom--windows--1 would exist as a branch on > sourceforge. But to be honest, I would rather try to avoid that > and better ask for help from developers knowledgeable in Windows > to actually do the merge now. ->=20 +> Merging is awkward so long as we use too different archive systems. It means the merge has to be done on a combination of different @@ -53463,30 +38192,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPznC-0006dP-Vh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:59:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPznA-0006Xd-Hi - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:59:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzn9-0006Ta-Bw - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:58:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPzn8-0006TE-RW - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:58:58 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GPzqP-0000uB-Gb - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:02:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D5F546A44D; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:58:57 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 32EA66A44A; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:58:57 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:58:56 -0400 Thread-Topic: Axiom for Windows on GCL-2.6.8pre (was: Google Code repository) Thread-Index: Acbckfw69eqKrUPGQcKcG5+sjO0aXgABZ29gAAKav1A= @@ -53497,16 +38202,16 @@ Subject: Axiom for Windows on GCL-2.6.8pre (was: Google Code repository) On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:15 AM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > gcl-2.6.8pre does compile on Windows with one minor change. But > my first attempt to use it to compile the Axiom windows sources > fails with a data type conflict on MYCOMBINE in src/interp/ > cfuns.lisp.pamphlet which is partly coded in C embedded in > Lisp and partly in Lisp. ->=20 +> > This seems similar to a problem that Camm solved with using > 2.6.8pre on linux. ->=20 +> Some good news. With the patches supplied by Camm in: @@ -53529,32 +38234,10 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzo8-0000FA-4e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:00:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzo6-0000Al-0F - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:59:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzo4-00006S-8X - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:59:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPzo4-00006A-5A - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:59:56 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GPzrK-000135-PV - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:03:19 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8KAxqHH008145 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:59:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:01:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -53582,36 +38265,13 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzwt-0001EY-Do - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:09:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzwr-0001B7-3d - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:09:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GPzwo-00019d-SJ - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:09:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GPzwo-00019a-Oo - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:08:58 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ005-00024P-Nx - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:21 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so255267wxc - for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:08:57 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=e67Q7qZo1u/eZ8EYHDnmPqXMqm1ZNoSSTskW5O4En7R4chZw3xNQl3NONhjq1nY2Is/1E40AtNTi9ikvnukxYOTlzHVqRsn1JHNKz/h+0fDtVPRSaMA4fFzuOw2wA3wrCD7s6LFlF03SCT2vSTSlmjFJGCaA/agNq5+cyNsxWR8= -Received: by 10.90.73.3 with SMTP id v3mr6243195aga; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:08:57 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:08:57 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions <45111F9B.6010606@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list On 9/20/06, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > >> svn co -r1 https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk trunk @@ -53639,63 +38299,39 @@ Alfredo \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ00T-0002lJ-Lv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ00S-0002kp-Cb - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ00Q-0002ja-Li - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ00Q-0002jT-Fy - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ03h-0002gk-Gt - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:16:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 885076A469; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9A0176A467; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:28 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: Acbco+u3PgG4eSczTJek6/Aucix7oAAAShOw From: Bill Page To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:02 AM you asked: ->=20 +> > >> svn co -r1 https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk trunk > >> cd trunk > >> svn update > >> > >> on Windows? -> >=20 +> > > > Yes. Unfortunately it fails with the same error message as on > > Linux: -> >=20 +> > > > svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default' > > svn: REPORT of '/svnroot/axiom/!svn/vcc/default': Could not read > > response body: > > Secure connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net) ->=20 +> > Does that happen already at "svn co -r1"? > No. The failure occurs during the the 'svn update' step. Or during the 'svn co' step if I omit the -r1. -=20 + > And http://gallery.menalto.com/node/53820 also did not help? > :-( @@ -53733,31 +38369,9 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ0Ac-0004Fw-Ji - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:23:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ0Ab-0004Eq-86 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:23:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ0AX-0004AX-L2 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:23:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ0AX-0004AP-F7 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:23:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ0Do-0000fz-DK - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:26:32 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8KBN6HH008737 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:23:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:25:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page, axiom-dev +To: Bill Page, list Cc: Subject: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -53786,36 +38400,13 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ1QL-000833-TY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:43:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ1QJ-00081I-HF - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:43:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ1QH-0007z5-03 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:43:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ1QG-0007yv-NN - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:43:28 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.225] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ1TY-0004G3-FQ - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:46:52 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so50343wri - for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:43:25 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=Du/NePyxYu9u9sCC9tmlxgMPHtsnoMu+1HMZZdahOmiqMeduj3mr4u+4KdEcRNzqfOP6dDox57iEpuowX55nLMpBZgqvBXN9YF1EWUMh6WAMRQUnwrBL7OdsH+hhohr4/9222WfE08jz51qhkC7b2/lVsyP0mzC4cXFQRm3ktGQ= -Received: by 10.90.29.15 with SMTP id c15mr2185614agc; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:43:25 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:43:24 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Bill, @@ -53837,39 +38428,13 @@ Alfredo \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ2A8-0006ji-Sd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:30:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ2A6-0006hZ-Ub - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:30:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ2A4-0006c1-67 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:30:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ2A3-0006bv-VH - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:30:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ2DM-0001EC-8O - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:34:12 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB49410C3; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:30:46 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8KDSNbZ032220; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:28:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8KDSN6B032219; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:28:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions <4511250E.1000506@hemmecke.de> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 Sep 2006 15:28:23 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -53895,41 +38460,22 @@ So do I not see hose failure when using SVK? (SVK is just an SVN client). \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ6H1-0006mh-Do - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:54:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ6Gz-0006kS-83 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:54:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ6Gv-0006ab-AA - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:54:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ6Gv-0006aR-6g - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:54:09 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.18] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ6KF-0003PA-V2 - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:57:36 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-105-52.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-105-52.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.207.118.52]) - by mwinf1916.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F05191C00083; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Ralf Hemmecke <45111446.90204@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:54:21 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Le mercredi 20 septembre 2006 =E0 12:13 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke a =E9crit : [...] > > I would be happy if you would correct this. I am not sure of > > the best solution. Should we ignore the merging problem and > > just call the darcs version the official sources for Windows? ->=20 -> I wouldn't. Better would be to sync them then I can declare on=20 -> AxiomSource that they are the same. And sooner or later they should=20 +> +> I wouldn't. Better would be to sync them then I can declare on +> AxiomSource that they are the same. And sooner or later they should > disappear anyway, because they should be merged to Gold or Silver. There is not a lot of differences between the two repositories as Bill @@ -53947,30 +38493,6 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ98m-0004w7-Gz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ98l-0004vv-1u - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQ98j-0004vj-HQ - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQ98j-0004vg-Ep - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQ9C5-0007Zc-VW - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:01:22 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 03DEB6A84E; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0B00C6A894; - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:34 -0400 @@ -53979,11 +38501,11 @@ Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows Thread-Index: Acbc3eZr5hvyJ5UoR2+k/lC79cIibQADQryg From: Bill Page To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: axiom-dev , +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:54 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 +> > There is not a lot of differences between the two repositories > as Bill said. The file src/doc/ps/segbind.ps is only available > in the tla repository @@ -54021,7 +38543,7 @@ the usual method of deleteing directories from working. > but I first need to know why the bug #312 is specific to > Axiom on Linux (see > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-math/2006-08/msg00035.html) ->=20 +> If you have patience, perhaps you could try a binary search through the older linux versions to find where the failure @@ -54040,40 +38562,21 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQALn-0008VZ-IX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:15:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQALm-0008VM-Kx - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:15:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQALj-0008Uy-Ng - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:15:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQALj-0008Ut-Jc - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:15:23 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQAP6-0006KZ-TT - for list; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:18:53 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-105-52.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-105-52.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.207.118.52]) - by mwinf1923.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 996B41C000CE; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:14:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:14:48 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke Le mercredi 20 septembre 2006 =E0 16:57 -0400, Page, Bill a =E9crit : -[...]=20 ->=20 +[...] +> > > and in the file src/scripts/document the latex variable is > > defined differently: `which latex` in the tla repository and > > latex in the darcs one. ->=20 +> > This is a change I made just last night while testing the windows > build... I guess I might as well explain it here. :) It turns out > that this is just a silly way to refer an executable file. It @@ -54092,7 +38595,7 @@ Perl, Python etc...) in a path with spaces. > > It's on my TODO list to update my Windows version (the > > tla one) up to Gold patch-50 ->=20 +> > What version of tla do you use on Windows? Does it work > reliably for you? Have you tried to delete a tla archive from > Windows yet? With the version of tla what I was using this @@ -54107,15 +38610,15 @@ so I downloaded it from Linux. > > but I first need to know why the bug #312 is specific to > > Axiom on Linux (see > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-math/2006-08/msg00035.html) -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > If you have patience, perhaps you could try a binary search > through the older linux versions to find where the failure > was introduced. The axiom--windows--1 branch was cloned from > the linux version at about patch-30, I think. You can retrieve > the older patch versions from the tla archive by appending the > patch suffix to the archive name, like this: ->=20 +> > $ tla get axiom--main--1-patch-50 axiom-50 > $ tla get axiom--main--1-patch-49 axiom-49 > ... @@ -54133,28 +38636,6 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQG4U-0001ce-Nu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:21:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQG4S-0001cS-QP - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:21:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQG4S-0001cF-6G - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:21:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQG4S-0001cC-0o - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:21:56 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.62] (helo=web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQG7r-00063G-QJ - for list; 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On Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:14 AM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > Here's a proposal ->=20 -> Is is possible to create a domain which stores numbers so=20 +> +> Is is possible to create a domain which stores numbers so > they always have an exact representation that terminates? > ... \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQP0r-0006i8-R7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:54:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQP0q-0006hv-DW - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:54:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQP0o-0006hK-4i - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:54:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQP0n-0006hH-Vk - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:54:46 -0400 -Received: from [134.34.143.6] (helo=spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQP4K-0005aD-0b - for list; 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Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQPxA-0005gj-Jy - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQPx9-0005c7-3j - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQPx8-0005bj-Vh - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:03 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQQ0f-0005tA-R2 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:58:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1F42E6AF2B; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:02 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 164D66B079; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:01 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:00 -0400 @@ -55525,23 +39843,23 @@ Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows Thread-Index: AcbdiIz+TH0hdlu1Q86QpoANvt4w0wAAsTQg From: Bill Page To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Ralf, On Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:19 AM you asked: -> ...=20 -> is it possible with axiom to say "draw(...)" and then save=20 +> ... +> is it possible with axiom to say "draw(...)" and then save > the generated picture as a .ps file or a .png without manual > interaction? I basically want ->=20 +> > echo "draw(...)" | axiom > picture.ps ->=20 +> > The reason is that in book.pamphlet there appear via ->=20 +> > \spadcommand{draw(...)} ->=20 -> the commands that produce the pictures given in the book.=20 +> +> the commands that produce the pictures given in the book. > With a little rewriting that could be automated and these > .ps files in src/doc/ps could go away. Note that we should > then also be able to produce higher resulution pictures @@ -55586,30 +39904,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQMJ-0007fW-VY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:21:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQMH-0007eJ-VR - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:21:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQMG-0007co-JM - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:21:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQMG-0007cl-D0 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:21:00 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQQPn-0000bY-Nu - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:39 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A58CA6B079; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:20:59 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AEAE86B049; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:20:58 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Exact Number Domain Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:20:57 -0400 Thread-Topic: Exact Number Domain @@ -55621,21 +39915,21 @@ Cc: list Bertfried, On Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:54 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> To pick up Ralf Hemmeke's example, if you want to represent=20 +> ... +> To pick up Ralf Hemmeke's example, if you want to represent > pi, you might want it to expand in powers of some prime number, ? eg 3 ->=20 -> pi=3D a1*3^1+a0*3^0+ ..... ->=20 -> a stram like object could represent the n-th power truncated=20 +> +> pi= a1*3^1+a0*3^0+ ..... +> +> a stram like object could represent the n-th power truncated > version of such expansions. The inductive limit of these > objects would actually (but infinitely) represent the number. ->=20 +> > Over all it seems to be very complicated and I would not expect -> such a representation to be helpful for numeric calculations=20 +> such a representation to be helpful for numeric calculations > (speedwise) at all. ->=20 +> For a practical implementation see the RealLib Project: @@ -55666,34 +39960,12 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQPm-0003Cx-P5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQPl-0003BE-L4 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQPk-00038v-4v - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQPk-00038s-0L - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:24:36 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQQTH-0000tI-86 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:28:15 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8LFOXts025623 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:24:34 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list On 09/21/2006 04:55 PM, Page, Bill wrote: >> echo "draw(...)" | axiom > picture.ps @@ -55721,24 +39993,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQR8K-0004Yr-EG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQR8H-0004Vd-TI - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQR8G-0004Tf-Kn - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQR8G-0004T9-8G - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:10:36 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQRBn-0006bz-4e - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:14:16 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Sep 2006 16:10:29 -0000 -Received: from p549F7BC2.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.123.194] - by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 18:10:29 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions @@ -55746,7 +40000,7 @@ Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:10:26 +0200 21 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200") -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list --=-=-= @@ -56722,30 +40976,6 @@ eX0KXGVuZHtkb2N1bWVudH0K \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRO4-0001oh-MD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRO2-0001ie-Lx - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRNw-0001cr-2q - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQRNv-0001cS-Ow - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQRRT-0000jX-L8 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:30:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 04AA66B1FF; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 213EF6B27A; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:43 -0400 @@ -56754,21 +40984,21 @@ Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows Thread-Index: Acbdkhy4TaNb+9p+RMuhhT6jRTW99wAAUpyA From: Bill Page To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:27 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > On 09/21/2006 04:55 PM, Page, Bill wrote: > >> echo "draw(...)" | axiom > picture.ps ->=20 +> > > Yes, all you need is to be using a machine that has X11 > > installed. ->=20 +> > Thank you, Bill. I really thought that it would have been > easier. ->=20 +> > Does somebody know why X11 is required? Yes of course. There has been a long ongoing discussion about @@ -56796,13 +41026,13 @@ l and the related threads: -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=3Dopeninventor&s= -ubmit=3DSearch%21&idxname=3Daxiom-developer&max=3D20&result=3Dnormal&sort= -=3Ddate%3Alate +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=openinventor&s= +ubmit=Search%21&idxname=axiom-developer&max=20&result=normal&sort= +=date%3Alate -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=3DTechexplorer&s= -ubmit=3DSearch%21&idxname=3Daxiom-developer&max=3D10&result=3Dnormal&sort= -=3Ddate%3Alate +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=Techexplorer&s= +ubmit=Search%21&idxname=axiom-developer&max=10&result=normal&sort= +=date%3Alate For Techexplorer @@ -56812,12 +41042,12 @@ l http://www.integretechpub.com/products/techexplorer ->=20 -> I quickly looked at src/algebra/view2D.spad but I could not=20 +> +> I quickly looked at src/algebra/view2D.spad but I could not > see anything related to X. Since I have no idea what ->=20 -> VIEW =3D=3D> VIEWPORTSERVER$Lisp ->=20 +> +> VIEW ==> VIEWPORTSERVER$Lisp +> > refers to, I am out of business. :-( This is part of the communications interface between Axiom and @@ -56828,7 +41058,7 @@ commands to Axiom Graphics via a session socket. > But I really really wonder, why X is a must for draw and/or > write. Does Axiom (through LISP) call some functions from X? ->=20 +> No, not directly. Only by sending a command to another process that does that work. @@ -56839,24 +41069,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRP3-0003em-Ks - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:27:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQpa-0004rd-Ka - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:51:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQQpZ-0004qM-7N - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQQpY-0004qJ-Tl - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:51:16 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQQt4-0004Pq-RH - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:54:56 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Sep 2006 15:51:05 -0000 -Received: from p549F7BC2.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.123.194] - by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 17:51:05 +0200 To: list From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0200 @@ -58542,32 +42754,9 @@ bmR7ZG9jdW1lbnR9Cg== \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRnA-0001vi-I5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRn9-0001uy-0e - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRn5-0001tL-38 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQRn4-0001tI-Tp - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:52:46 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.227] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQRqd-0004AE-3d - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:56:27 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so425111wri - for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=mBHMDoj8+bOLJ4eEkaKb9jfnFRl/78ohs1HZ13P2uoX9u7ijK6mMnA8JhDGtAxStMNwfL/2Nr9wkqioDR/xKoOCVQcb58jGr6kTrXb29DVPhiqyt0d4Tg8fLoDl2eghl7LXp1evwcf2bUReyl72EMUUAk1gu5p/6SFEUPXVZVpc= -Received: by 10.90.120.13 with SMTP id s13mr7528054agc; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.5 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:52:45 -0700 From: Alfredo Portes -To: axiom-dev +To: list <#14.4648867.7a454e5a.45072f85.1cb0@google.trakken.com> @@ -58579,7 +42768,7 @@ To: axiom-dev Subject: Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -From: Ben Collins-Sussman +From: Ben Collins-Sussman Date: Sep 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request To: Alfredo Portes @@ -58598,30 +42787,6 @@ know how it goes! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRpi-0003Tr-Dy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRpg-0003Q8-Hr - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQRpf-0003PN-Vl - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQRpf-0003PE-TE - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:27 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQRtD-0004Xk-W8 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:59:08 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 033F86B239; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 380046B333; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:24 -0400 Thread-Topic: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET @@ -58631,7 +42796,7 @@ To: "Kai Kaminski" Cc: list On Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:51 AM Kai Kaminski wrote: ->=20 +> > I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which > contains compatibility/utility code. > ... @@ -58658,30 +42823,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQSjk-0004Bu-Be - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQSjj-00047d-2G - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQSje-0003ub-4g - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQSjd-0003uB-Qb - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQSnC-00032P-E5 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:56:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 07E566B4E9; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3326C6B4E6; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:16 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Google Code repository Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:53:15 -0400 Thread-Topic: RE: Google Code repository @@ -58730,7 +42871,7 @@ BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/SVK.pm line 6. 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BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/svk line 6. -[page@axiom-developer page]$=20 +[page@axiom-developer page]$ ------- @@ -58748,25 +42889,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQTdb-00027s-9L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:51:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQTdZ-00024U-6F - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:51:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQTdY-00023E-Ey - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:51:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQTdY-00022o-63 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:51:04 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQTh7-0000lc-C5 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:54:45 -0400 -Received: from ellipse (ALille-251-1-59-126.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.223.126]) - by mwinf1921.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A5F161C000BC; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:50:59 +0200 (CEST) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Vanuxem_Gregory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Google Code repository @@ -58819,25 +42941,6 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQTy0-000320-PX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:12:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQTxz-00030o-1d - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:12:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQTxw-0002yZ-AE - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:12:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQTxw-0002y7-1I - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:12:08 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQU1V-00033z-Kb - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:15:49 -0400 -Received: from ellipse (ALille-251-1-97-114.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - [83.204.94.114]) - by mwinf1912.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CC8211C00088; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:12:06 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke @@ -58845,7 +42948,7 @@ Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:12:26 +0200 charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page] @@ -58874,25 +42977,6 @@ PS: Humm... shame on me. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQU8k-0007uy-Lo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:23:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQU8i-0007sc-Ni - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:23:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQU8g-0007nu-Km - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:23:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQU8g-0007nW-F3 - for list; 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Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQUrT-0000Mp-Dq - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQUrS-0000KB-Rm - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQUrS-0000Jn-Bd - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQUv2-0002Ml-Bt - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:13:12 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7B2266B1BD; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CF7A56ACF5; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Google Code repository Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:09:23 -0400 Thread-Topic: RE: Google Code repository @@ -59124,14 +43139,14 @@ Cc: list Greg, On Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:51 PM you wrote: -> =20 +> > > [page@axiom-developer page]$ svk > > Can't locate Class/Autouse.pm in @INC (@INC contains: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > Perhaps you or someone else who is more familiar with the advanced > > use of Perl than I am could suggest where to go from here? ->=20 -> The Class::Autouse module is missing. See=20 +> +> The Class::Autouse module is missing. See > http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Class-Autouse-1.27/ > If there is no package for your distribution (it is named > libclass-autouse-perl in Debian), you can build, test and @@ -59139,7 +43154,7 @@ On Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:51 PM you wrote: > perl Makefile.pl > make > make test -> make install=20 +> make install > Thanks for your help. @@ -59179,7 +43194,7 @@ BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/SVK/Command.pm line 7. Compilation failed in require at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Class/Autouse.pm line 406. -[page@axiom-developer page]$=20 +[page@axiom-developer page]$ -------- @@ -59189,7 +43204,7 @@ I tried but I get 3 errors during the install: -PERL_DL_NONLAZY=3D1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" +PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t t/00setup....ok t/01type.....Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected non-continuation byte @@ -59252,24 +43267,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVCV-0000Mt-1M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:31:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVCT-0000MZ-4i - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:31:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVCR-0000Lk-6t - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:31:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVCR-0000LU-15 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:31:11 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQVG1-000521-6Q - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:34:53 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Sep 2006 20:31:09 -0000 -Received: from p549F500C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.80.12] - by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 22:31:09 +0200 To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET From: Kai Kaminski @@ -59303,24 +43300,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVMM-00045d-54 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:41:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVMJ-0003yh-SN - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVMJ-0003wJ-2j - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVMI-0003w5-Ut - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:41:23 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQVPt-0006JC-3K - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:05 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Sep 2006 20:41:20 -0000 -Received: from p549F500C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.80.12] - by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 22:41:20 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET From: Kai Kaminski @@ -59423,42 +43402,18 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVQ8-0003zP-4Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVQ6-0003y8-MY - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQVQ6-0003xX-70 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQVQ6-0003xG-2N - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:18 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQVTg-0006Yf-D2 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:49:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 339DF6B4FE; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DEC1E6B4F9; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:45:14 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbdtS1N9xDEMnP6RQi2TR1hr/mP5QACN0lQ From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Google Code repository Alfredo, On Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:36 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I have committed the build-improvements branch to the trunk > of the Google Repository: http://axiom.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ > @@ -59470,14 +43425,14 @@ is some way we could just populate /branches and leave /trunk empty? By calling build-improvements /trunk I am afraid we might cause some confusion. On the other hand, if Goggle gives us enough space it would be good to have both /trunk and our current favorite /branch. -=20 + > One can checkout the source by doing: > svn checkout http://axiom.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ axiom ->=20 -> Can you please add something in the page:=20 +> +> Can you please add something in the page: > explaining like you did in your comment above that this repository is > an experimental version. ->=20 +> How's this? http://code.google.com/p/axiom @@ -59487,34 +43442,11 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQWAf-00072T-Ll - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:33:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQWAe-00071I-JP - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:33:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQWAd-000716-3K - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:33:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQWAc-000713-UW - for list; 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I do not know > what is going on. That was in your windows or linux box? @@ -59809,13 +43670,13 @@ management to find out something very useful, I think. It is possible to use rsync to make a direct backup of our subversion archive at SourceForge using the following commands: - $ export RSYNC_PROXY=3Drsync-svn.sourceforge.net:80 + $ export RSYNC_PROXY=rsync-svn.sourceforge.net:80 $ mkdir -p ~/repo/axiom/branches $ rsync -v -a rsync-svn-a::svn/axiom/* ~/repo/axiom/branches See: -http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D31070&group_id=3D1#= +http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=31070&group_id=1#= bac kup @@ -59831,7 +43692,7 @@ local mirror! It's fast! because rsync uses a very efficient network protocol and file:// access is just local. -Please give it a try and let me know if it works for you.=20 +Please give it a try and let me know if it works for you. Regards, Bill Page. @@ -59839,25 +43700,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQXbO-0004tI-NI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:05:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQXbM-0004sL-9W - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:05:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQXbK-0004qi-0O - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:05:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQXbI-0004po-Np - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:05:01 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.54] (helo=smtp-msa-out13.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQXeu-0002yV-1a - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:08:44 -0400 -Received: from ellipse (ALille-251-1-94-189.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - [83.204.91.189]) - by mwinf1304.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CF5D27000089; - Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:04:58 +0200 (CEST) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Vanuxem_Gregory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page, Gregory Vanuxem Subject: re: Google Code repository @@ -59939,28 +43781,6 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQXzQ-0004n3-FG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQXzO-0004mV-Aq - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQXzL-0004lY-7f - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQXzL-0004lU-2W - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:29:51 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQY2w-00057Q-Vo - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:33:35 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8LNTlts008389 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:29:47 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:31:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Kai Kaminski @@ -60023,30 +43843,6 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQYKa-0002ym-7U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQYKY-0002yF-2h - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQYKW-0002xq-OR - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYKW-0002xg-6l - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:44 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQYO8-0007Il-AD - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:55:28 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 42FDB6B5CC; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:43 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 87BB76B5BB; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Google Code repository Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:51:38 -0400 Thread-Topic: RE: Google Code repository @@ -60058,13 +43854,13 @@ Cc: list Greg, On Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:05 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > > This CPAN stuff is pretty scary! :-) I must have just downloaded > > and installed several hundred new Perl packages in the list 5 > > minutes! ->=20 +> > Yes, if there is a lot of prerequities my method is tedious. ->=20 +> Well @@ -60073,19 +43869,19 @@ Well is great when everything works (almost as good as apt-get! :) -> ...=20 +> ... > You are not alone with this problem, and it is not a bug, > I believe, in this module. Search with Google > "Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected non-continuation byte". -> Some persons change the read/write mode of the filehandle to=20 -> the binary one (with binmode), some others prepend a LANG=3DC +> Some persons change the read/write mode of the filehandle to +> the binary one (with binmode), some others prepend a LANG=C > to the command line. Or maybe modifying the open call with a > "<:byte" or a "<:utf8" could help (see perldoc PerlIO). But > this requires to modify this module, it's not a good solution. I just did: - $ LANG=3DC perl -MCPAN -e 'install File::Type' + $ LANG=C perl -MCPAN -e 'install File::Type' and the install worked fine. @@ -60106,25 +43902,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQYrc-0006j4-0A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:25:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQYra-0006iD-2S - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:25:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQYrX-0006h4-3O - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:25:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQYrW-0006gy-R6 - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:25:50 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.22.26] (helo=smtp-msa-out05.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQYv9-0001sO-8p - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:29:35 -0400 -Received: from ellipse (ALille-251-1-94-189.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - [83.204.91.189]) - by mwinf0504.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 202A71C00165; - Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:25:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Vanuxem_Gregory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page, Gregory Vanuxem Subject: re: Google Code repository @@ -60157,30 +43934,6 @@ Greg \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQZEC-0006bY-LR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQZEA-0006bE-En - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQZE9-0006b2-MO - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQZE9-0006az-IE - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:13 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQZHm-0004Ol-4J - for list; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:52:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8F3946B42F; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 83B4F6B494; - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:08 -0400 Thread-Topic: patches to daase.lisp.pamphlet and Axiom for Windows on GCL-2.6.8pre @@ -60195,21 +43948,21 @@ On Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:59 AM I wrote: > ... > Some good news. With the patches supplied by Camm in: ->=20 +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-08/msg00344.ht ml ->=20 +> > and removing the out-of-date patches which have since been > incorporated into gcl, the darcs axiom--windows--1 source code > seems to be compiling using the new gcl-2.6.8pre. I now expect > it to complete successfully (I will confirm in a couple of hours). ->=20 +> > This means that at least we will be able to work with the same > version of gcl in both Linux and Windows once Camm officially > releases 2.6.8. The Windows version of Axiom was last successfully > compiled only with a patched version of gcl-2.6.5. ->=20 +> Well it wasn't quite that easy, but I did finally get a successful Windows build of Axiom using gcl-2.6.8pre (as patched for the @@ -60279,7 +44032,7 @@ new-axiom--windows--1-1/lsp/Makefile.pamphlet ------ This is one of Camm's patches. -=20 + diff -rN -u old-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet --- old-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet Wed Sep @@ -60287,7 +44040,7 @@ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet +++ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/cfuns.lisp.pamphlet Wed Sep 20 21:33:06 2006 @@ -114,10 +114,10 @@ -=20 + #+(AND KCL (NOT ELF)) (Clines -"unsigned int MYCOMBINE(i,j)" @@ -60314,7 +44067,7 @@ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet +++ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet Wed Sep 20 21:33:06 2006 @@ -840,7 +840,7 @@ - (let (thisdir nrlibs asos asys libs object only dir key=20 + (let (thisdir nrlibs asos asys libs object only dir key (|$forceDatabaseUpdate| t) noexpose) (declare (special |$forceDatabaseUpdate|)) - (setq thisdir (namestring (probe-file "."))) @@ -60330,11 +44083,11 @@ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet + (list (list '|dir| (namestring (truename "./")) )) 'make-database) (dolist (dir dirlist) - (localdatabase nil=20 - (list (list '|dir|=20 -- (namestring (probe-file=20 -+ (namestring (truename=20 - (format nil "./~a"=20 + (localdatabase nil + (list (list '|dir| +- (namestring (probe-file ++ (namestring (truename + (format nil "./~a" dir))))) 'make-database)) @@ -60350,7 +44103,7 @@ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/hash.lisp.pamphlet 20 21:33:07 2006 @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@ (define-function 'HASHTABLE-CLASS #'system::hash-table-test) -=20 + #+AKCL -(clines "static int mem_value(x ,i)object x;int i; { return ((short *)x)[i];}") @@ -60391,9 +44144,9 @@ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/scripts/document 21:33:08 2006 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ #!/bin/sh --latex=3D`which latex` -+latex=3Dlatex - if [ "$latex" =3D "" ] ; then +-latex=`which latex` ++latex=latex + if [ "$latex" = "" ] ; then echo document ERROR You must install latex first exit 0 @@ -60410,13 +44163,13 @@ Wed Sep 20 21:32:52 2006 +++ new-axiom--windows--1-1/zips/gcl-2.6.5w.unixport.makefile.patch Wed Sep 20 21:33:10 2006 @@ -10,12 +10,3 @@ - =20 + ifeq ($(ARRS),) - ARRS:=3Dar rs + ARRS:=ar rs -@@ -28,7 +29,7 @@ - rm -rf gmp - mkdir gmp -- a=3D"$^" ; \ +- a="$^" ; \ -- for i in $^ ; do \ -+ for i in $$a ; do \ - cp $$i gmp/$$(echo $$i | sed -e 's,\.\./,,1' -e @@ -60435,25 +44188,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQZPw-0007Ql-A2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:01:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQZPv-0007Qf-KO - for list; 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SVK is working now, but before I @@ -60574,24 +44284,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQgFJ-00047l-E0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:18:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQgFF-00042U-FY - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:18:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQgFB-00040E-8f - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:18:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQgFA-0003zs-TQ - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:18:45 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQgIr-00077l-MT - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:22:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Sep 2006 08:18:40 -0000 -Received: from p549F571F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.87.31] - by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 10:18:40 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -60641,28 +44333,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQhH7-0006YV-MA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:24:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQhH5-0006YP-E1 - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:24:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQhH3-0006YC-KQ - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:24:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQhH3-0006Y9-BP - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:24:45 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQhKl-0007Gn-0v - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:28:35 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8M9Ogts021065 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:24:42 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:26:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Kai Kaminski @@ -60719,26 +44389,7 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQkgI-0003q4-6B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQkgG-0003oz-0V - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:03:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQkgE-0003o1-62 - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:02:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQkgD-0003nh-Aj - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:02:57 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GQkjw-0006hX-FK - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:06:48 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8MD2ehD015365; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:02:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Juan M. Bello Rivas'" Subject: re: Google Code repository Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:02:28 -0400 @@ -60750,15 +44401,15 @@ Hello Juan, Welcome to the Axiom Developer list :-) On September 22, 2006 7:25 AM Juan M. Bello Rivas wrote: ->=20 +> > Hi Bill, ->=20 +> > I was writing something about Tailor yesterday but then I realized > you had just written an email to axiom-developer on that topic. ->=20 +> > I detailed the steps I took for replicating build-improvements into > a local darcs repo at ->=20 +> > http://blog.superadditive.com/2006/09/23/interoperability-between-source-= cod @@ -60784,24 +44435,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQm7N-0000Bi-EP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:35:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQm7M-0000BI-A3 - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:35:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GQm7K-00009s-O4 - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:35:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GQm7K-00009Z-Fy - for list; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:35:02 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GQmB4-0003Qp-VK - for list; 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- Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:19:59 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=localhost) - by localhost with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from ) - id 1GR4fa-000200-1D; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:23:38 +0200 To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski message dated "Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:23:37 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze +From: Frithjof Schulze Cc: list Hey, Kai Kaminski wrote: ->=20 +> > I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which > contains compatibility/utility code. I tried the same with eigen.spad.pamphlet. As a beginning I structured the file, commented the functions I understand (although sometimes what I wrote seems rather obvious) and began to write a little about the -theory.=20 +theory. I put the file in the wiki-source, so hopefully somebody comes up with some kind of criticism. This is just a first try and I welcome @@ -61510,7 +45010,7 @@ Tree additional questions concerning the literate source I have by now: How much theory belongs in a pamphlet? For example after a nice description what the gr=F6berner basis algorithm does, is it important - why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough?=20 + why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough? If every file should be as elaborate as dhmatrix.spad, shouldn't one have a central point where the notation and foundations stuff gets @@ -61519,43 +45019,21 @@ Tree additional questions concerning the literate source I have by now: should have a latex-style-convention in the wiki. How formal should a pamphlet be? Rather a heuristically description - what happens (with reference) or better Definiton, Theorem ... ?=20 + what happens (with reference) or better Definiton, Theorem ... ? Frithjof \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR6ta-0003hf-GG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:46:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR6tY-0003fx-Bi - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:46:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR6tW-0003eL-GG - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR6tW-0003eD-9A - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:46:10 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.73] (helo=web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR6xT-0008QP-RX - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:50:16 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31435 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2006 12:46:09 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Bx/hBBlFjKOiOQPCGDygPSiQzc+7xdeYSIRVpgbNh9zddHDfDL/0oDOCnrD0jdTVsdrBHfYPVrfsC6Llukh4TnB3l/TaYMhC9XIlniZNlZX9EDKtpPhM7mjzfL5sXWJ/c2cashGRmGjGoYGBS1L5uIq7fgniTwS4Q8VktyUYyVo= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:46:09 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -To: Frithjof Schulze , +To: Frithjof Schulze, Kai Kaminski Cc: list ---- Frithjof Schulze wrote: +--- Frithjof Schulze wrote: > I tried the same with eigen.spad.pamphlet. As a beginning I > structured the file, commented the functions I understand (although @@ -61639,42 +45117,24 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR71M-0007sR-HG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:54:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR71L-0007qb-Du - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:54:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR71J-0007lJ-Rz - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:54:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR71J-0007kw-Og - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:54:13 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GR75H-0000Vt-47 - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:58:19 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Sep 2006 12:54:11 -0000 -Received: from p549F784A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.120.74] - by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 23 Sep 2006 14:54:11 +0200 -To: Frithjof Schulze +To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET From: Kai Kaminski Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:54:09 +0200 23 Sep 2006 12:23:37 +0200") Cc: list -Frithjof Schulze writes: +Frithjof Schulze writes: > Kai Kaminski wrote: ->>=20 +>> >> I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which >> contains compatibility/utility code. > > I tried the same with eigen.spad.pamphlet. As a beginning I structured > the file, commented the functions I understand (although sometimes what > I wrote seems rather obvious) and began to write a little about the -> theory.=20 +> theory. Great! Cliff and I were actually hoping that others might join the fun. @@ -61701,7 +45161,7 @@ I have a few questions/comments: > > How much theory belongs in a pamphlet? For example after a nice > description what the gr=F6berner basis algorithm does, is it important -> why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough?=20 +> why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough? > > If every file should be as elaborate as dhmatrix.spad, shouldn't one > have a central point where the notation and foundations stuff gets @@ -61727,38 +45187,16 @@ edit other pages. Any idea? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR78d-0003aJ-O2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:01:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR78c-0003YL-2X - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:01:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR78b-0003W5-0Y - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:01:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR78a-0003Vu-MQ - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:01:44 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR7CY-0001O4-4D - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:05:50 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8ND1cts032674 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:01:38 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Frithjof Schulze +To: Frithjof Schulze Cc: Kai Kaminski , list Subject: Pamphlet style (was: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET) Hello! -It seems that slowly people are starting to bring legacy code into a=20 +It seems that slowly people are starting to bring legacy code into a literate programming style. That is good and very important. On 09/23/2006 12:23 PM, Frithjof Schulze wrote: @@ -61767,13 +45205,13 @@ On 09/23/2006 12:23 PM, Frithjof Schulze wrote: > the file, commented the functions I understand (although sometimes what= > I wrote seems rather obvious) and began to write a little about the -> theory.=20 +> theory. Don't worry. Whatever you do is probably better than leaving the file as = -it is. The whole thing will be an iterative process. And why is that?=20 -Because nobody at this mailing list has come forward to define a=20 -definite style for pamphlets. I am probably right that there is no such=20 +it is. The whole thing will be an iterative process. And why is that? +Because nobody at this mailing list has come forward to define a +definite style for pamphlets. I am probably right that there is no such thing for Axiom pamphlets as a style guide. Now, knowing that there is no help for you, the best thing you can do is = @@ -61784,15 +45222,15 @@ The only stuff that I could see on the wiki is linked here... http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/PamphletFiles -It is already something, especially=20 +It is already something, especially http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/PamphletExample -but currently it completely neglects the fact that there is relation=20 -between the different pamphlet files and that nowadays we should not=20 +but currently it completely neglects the fact that there is relation +between the different pamphlet files and that nowadays we should not just reference them via the bibliography, but via hyperlinks. > I put the file in the wiki-source, -would it have been too hard to provide the URL directly? If you want to=20 +would it have been too hard to provide the URL directly? If you want to have help, make it nearly zero-effort for potential contributors. > so hopefully somebody comes up with @@ -61806,70 +45244,70 @@ Hmmm... the first thing YOU have to make sure is that your local copy of = the Axiom sources still compiles without error (including the testcases).= -Whether you wrote good or bad content into the latex part of the=20 +Whether you wrote good or bad content into the latex part of the pamphlet is another question that needs review by other developers. -But the semantics should not change (at least not now or not too=20 -drastically). In fact, I believe it must be made easier to add=20 -testcases. Does somebody have a quick guide or reference of how to add=20 +But the semantics should not change (at least not now or not too +drastically). In fact, I believe it must be made easier to add +testcases. Does somebody have a quick guide or reference of how to add new testcases to Axiom? > Tree additional questions concerning the literate source I have by now:= ->=20 +> > How much theory belongs in a pamphlet? For example after a nice > description what the gr=F6berner basis algorithm does, is it import= ant -> why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough?=20 +> why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough? Good question. My current experience says: it depends. -If we now document every simple detail we will never reach a status=20 +If we now document every simple detail we will never reach a status where Axiom becomes the leading research platform. -But think of Axiom as being (one of) THE leading research platform(s)=20 -then the only place where the theory is (should be) is in the pamphlet=20 -since there is no other reference in the world. You are inventing the=20 -theory and deliver the code together with the theory. So that says: all=20 +But think of Axiom as being (one of) THE leading research platform(s) +then the only place where the theory is (should be) is in the pamphlet +since there is no other reference in the world. You are inventing the +theory and deliver the code together with the theory. So that says: all of the theory should be in the pamplet. -However, there is hundreds and hundreds of books about mathematics and=20 -algorithms around that I believe should (currently) not being rewritten=20 -in the form of pamphlets. I think, it is enough for certain well-known=20 -algorithms to include one (or better several) easily accessible=20 +However, there is hundreds and hundreds of books about mathematics and +algorithms around that I believe should (currently) not being rewritten +in the form of pamphlets. I think, it is enough for certain well-known +algorithms to include one (or better several) easily accessible references (including references to other existing implementations). -That is for now. In the long run I would even like to see standard=20 -algorithms documented in a self-contained way in a pamphlet. It=20 -basically means that Axiom should become not only a leading CAS, but a=20 +That is for now. In the long run I would even like to see standard +algorithms documented in a self-contained way in a pamphlet. It +basically means that Axiom should become not only a leading CAS, but a source for learning about algorithms and the underlying theory. -To make that possible, sooner or later we have to start that=20 +To make that possible, sooner or later we have to start that Axiom-Journal thing. -If you now think in terms of a journal, then a pamphlet is like an=20 +If you now think in terms of a journal, then a pamphlet is like an article. Although one can consider a pamphlet as a container for several = code files, I am not so convinced that it is the right way to do it. For = -me it is perfectly OK, if you deliver a .tar.gz archive with several=20 -pamphlets to the journal for review. As in a true journal that archive=20 +me it is perfectly OK, if you deliver a .tar.gz archive with several +pamphlets to the journal for review. As in a true journal that archive should describe one (new) idea. -All I want to say is that not the file is the basic unit but the=20 +All I want to say is that not the file is the basic unit but the idea/topic that is described. So for example, the whole build process of = -Axiom should be described in one document (in dvi/ps/pdf/html/...=20 -format), but not necessarily in just one .pamphlet. I don't care much=20 -how the sources are mapped onto the hard disk. What matters is that I=20 -get something readable, I understand the process/idea/topic and I am=20 +Axiom should be described in one document (in dvi/ps/pdf/html/... +format), but not necessarily in just one .pamphlet. I don't care much +how the sources are mapped onto the hard disk. What matters is that I +get something readable, I understand the process/idea/topic and I am able to click and my editor opens exactly at right position in the right = file if I want to correct something. -That is basically what I provide with ALLPROSE. It is a framework to=20 -produce a whole Aldor library. An I consider such a library as ONE unit=20 -no matter on how many files it is distributed internally. It describes=20 +That is basically what I provide with ALLPROSE. It is a framework to +produce a whole Aldor library. An I consider such a library as ONE unit +no matter on how many files it is distributed internally. It describes or rather should describe one idea/topic. > If every file should be as elaborate as dhmatrix.spad, shouldn't on= @@ -61880,30 +45318,30 @@ e > should have a latex-style-convention in the wiki. -We had that before with the latex-style convention. It is not possible.=20 -There are too many latex packages around and they are not all=20 -compatible. We simply cannot fix the number of packages that we allow=20 -since that is too much of a restriction to potential contributors. We=20 -could have a journal style of how things should normally come out, but=20 +We had that before with the latex-style convention. It is not possible. +There are too many latex packages around and they are not all +compatible. We simply cannot fix the number of packages that we allow +since that is too much of a restriction to potential contributors. We +could have a journal style of how things should normally come out, but it's impossible to think of every detail in advance. > How formal should a pamphlet be? Rather a heuristically description= -> what happens (with reference) or better Definiton, Theorem ... ?=20 +> what happens (with reference) or better Definiton, Theorem ... ? -First approximation, guess and document what you've found out about the=20 -legacy code. Next approximation, make that all more formal, add=20 -definitions, theorems, PROOFS. A pamphlet should be a scientific=20 -document, not just a code description. So finally, a pamphlet *is* as=20 -formal as a journal article. (And is hopefully even formally reviewed.=20 -And maybe later automatically verified by a proof checker -- that would=20 +First approximation, guess and document what you've found out about the +legacy code. Next approximation, make that all more formal, add +definitions, theorems, PROOFS. A pamphlet should be a scientific +document, not just a code description. So finally, a pamphlet *is* as +formal as a journal article. (And is hopefully even formally reviewed. +And maybe later automatically verified by a proof checker -- that would be cool!) I hope that was not too long... -So first add your question to the FAQ page then open up=20 -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/PamphletStyle. And add your experience=20 -and vision of how pamphlets should look like. Hopefully, we will soon=20 +So first add your question to the FAQ page then open up +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/PamphletStyle. And add your experience +and vision of how pamphlets should look like. Hopefully, we will soon have some good guideline for new contributors. Ralf @@ -61912,44 +45350,13 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR7Yj-0006le-Nq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:28:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR7Yh-0006i4-Gh - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:28:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR7Yf-0006gT-Sl - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:28:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7Yf-0006gQ-NZ - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:28:41 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR7cd-0003OE-K5 - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:32:47 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k8NDSdIQ022031; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:28:39 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 2b14_fdeb752c_4b06_11db_8bd8_001143376fda; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:25:33 +0200 -Received: from localhost (p54B87C9F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.184.124.159]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8NDSUM9029642 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:28:30 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=localhost) - by localhost with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from ) - id 1GR7c1-0005L4-RS; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:32:09 +0200 To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:54:09 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:32:09 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze +From: Frithjof Schulze Cc: list Kai Kaminski wrote: @@ -61993,31 +45400,9 @@ Frithjof \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR7yX-0002zD-6w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:55:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR7yW-0002z1-8M - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:55:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR7yU-0002yg-Hq - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:55:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR7yT-0002yd-R3 - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:55:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR82R-0006BD-QE - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:59:28 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8NDtIts001339 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:55:18 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:57:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Frithjof Schulze +To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <7687.1159007017@localhost> <20525.1159018329@localhost> @@ -62061,43 +45446,12 @@ Ralf \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR87r-0007G4-DB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:05:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR87p-0007Cr-4W - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:05:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR87m-0007AW-St - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:05:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR87m-0007AQ-QV - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:04:58 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR8Bk-0007If-T1 - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:09:05 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k8NE4uZI031555; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:04:56 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 2a48_0f75b7da_4b0c_11db_84d4_001143376fda; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:01:50 +0200 -Received: from localhost (p54B87C9F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.184.124.159]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8NE4lM9032637 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:04:47 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=localhost) - by localhost with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from ) - id 1GR8B6-0005NA-JR; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:08:24 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke <451530B0.1000803@hemmecke.de> Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:44 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:08:24 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze +From: Frithjof Schulze Cc: list Subject: Re: Pamphlet style (was: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET) @@ -62162,37 +45516,6 @@ Frithjof \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR8Ov-0001q6-0t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:22:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR8Ot-0001nA-5Z - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:22:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GR8Or-0001kF-M2 - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GR8Or-0001jx-Fh - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:22:37 -0400 -Received: from [141.35.1.24] (helo=fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GR8Sp-0000Mf-NX - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 10:26:44 -0400 -Received: from schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de (schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - [141.35.1.29]) - by fsuj28a.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k8NEMY7s003041; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:22:34 +0200 -Received: from lc08.rz.uni-jena.de(141.35.1.23) by schnapphans.rz.uni-jena.de - via smtp id 2a7f_8619ca82_4b0e_11db_9e4d_001143376fda; - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:19:28 +0200 -Received: from localhost (p54B87C9F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.184.124.159]) - by lc08.rz.uni-jena.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8NEMPM9001806 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:22:25 +0200 -Received: from frithjof (helo=localhost) - by localhost with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from ) - id 1GR8SC-0005Vs-Ph; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:26:04 +0200 To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <20525.1159018329@localhost> @@ -62200,7 +45523,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:57:30 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:26:04 +0200 -From: Frithjof Schulze +From: Frithjof Schulze Cc: Kai Kaminski , list Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -62215,34 +45538,15 @@ Frithjof \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GRA0o-0007e9-4C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:05:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GRA0m-0007cu-2E - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:05:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GRA0l-0007cU-Bo - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:05:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GRA0l-0007cK-4O - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:05:51 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GRA4k-00011G-K6 - for list; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:09:58 -0400 -Received: from asus (206-47-29-248.anikast.net [206.47.29.248]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8NG5NBL025285; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:05:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Frithjof Schulze'" +From: Bill Page +To: "'Frithjof Schulze'" Frithjof Schulze Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:05:07 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: list Subject: Literated eigen.spad.pamphlet On Frithjof Schulze September 23, 2006 6:24 AM wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I tried the same with eigen.spad.pamphlet. As a beginning I > structured the file, commented the functions I understand > (although sometimes what I wrote seems rather obvious) and @@ -62254,7 +45558,7 @@ Great job! I am really glad that you invested time in doing this work. I think it is excellent contributioin ot Axiom. I hope that this work by you, Kai and Cliff is part of a trend ... :-) ->=20 +> > I put the file in the wiki-source, so hopefully somebody comes > up with some kind of criticism. This is just a first try and I > welcome tips/ideas what to change. Hopefully I didn't made any @@ -62274,9 +45578,9 @@ started is sometimes the hardest part. But I didn't find any problems in what you wrote and I learned several things about the Axiom eigen package that I didn't know before. Thanks. -> Three additional questions concerning the literate source I=20 +> Three additional questions concerning the literate source I > have by now: ->=20 +> > How much theory belongs in a pamphlet? For example after a nice > description what the gr=F6berner basis algorithm does, is it > important why it terminates? Or is a reference here enough? @@ -62285,7 +45589,7 @@ I think references are important. Use web references if you can. I suggest using hyperref to add clickable links directly in the LaTeX source. ->=20 +> > If every file should be as elaborate as dhmatrix.spad, shouldn't > one have a central point where the notation and foundations > stuff gets clarified? Else, one would have to introduce the @@ -62295,11 +45599,11 @@ LaTeX source. I think including a short section on notation in each pamphlet would be good enough for now. ->=20 -> How formal should a pamphlet be? Rather a heuristically=20 +> +> How formal should a pamphlet be? Rather a heuristically > description what happens (with reference) or better Definiton, -> Theorem ... ?=20 ->=20 +> Theorem ... ? +> Starting with just a heuristic description is fine. 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What is the difference between > @@ -63871,24 +46716,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSIqM-0005fK-VQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:43:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSIqK-0005eh-Mm - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:43:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSIqK-0005eR-9j - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:43:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSIqK-0005eO-3W - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:43:48 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSIv1-0005Ul-As - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:48:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Sep 2006 19:43:43 -0000 -Received: from p549F6D84.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.109.132] - by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 21:43:43 +0200 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -63906,7 +46733,7 @@ Hi Tim, I put your last two messages about the aliases in VMLISP.LISP together, I hope you don't mind. -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >> 1) Aliases in general aren't terribly useful. > @@ -63950,30 +46777,6 @@ Kai \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSLZv-0002fl-GR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:39:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSLZt-0002et-C9 - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:39:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSLZq-0002eh-La - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:39:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSLZq-0002ee-HL - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:38:58 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSLeZ-00041q-5N - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:43:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 042F268540; - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:38:57 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5A5DD68484; - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:38:54 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:38:50 -0400 Thread-Topic: Axiom memory usage and GCL Thread-Index: AcbhgWb1VAS1hMppRN2NCdkJDvQTXAAOR0kg @@ -63985,21 +46788,21 @@ Subject: RE: Axiom memory usage and GCL Gaby, On Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:33 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: -> | ...=20 +> | ... > | Starting with Camm's newest version of 2.6.8pre it is > | possible to set maxpage a non-power of 2. I am not using -> | --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 on MathAction and this seems to +> | --enable-maxpage=196*1024 on MathAction and this seems to > | be working so far. ->=20 +> What I meant to write was: I am *now* using - --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 + --enable-maxpage=196*1024 > Many thanks. ->=20 +> > The reason I was asking is that I have a successful build of > the axiom.build-improvements branch on the two machines I have, > but when I tried on the SF Deian machine x86-linux1 I got a @@ -64014,29 +46817,29 @@ of the compile farm machines since that time. > redhat. Both of them have "low" memory (256KB). The failure > in both build is: > -> =3D=3D=3D=3D ->=20 -> Loading=20 +> ==== +> +> Loading > /scratch/latexo/users/gdr/build/obj/i686-intel-linux/interp/util.o -> start address -T 0x86fb000 Finished loading=20 +> start address -T 0x86fb000 Finished loading > /scratch/latexo/users/gdr/build/obj/i686-intel-linux/interp/util.o ->=20 +> > Error: The function BUILD is undefined. > Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging > Error signalled by SETQ. > Broken at SETQ. Type :H for Help. -> BOOT>>make[4]: Leaving directory=20 +> BOOT>>make[4]: Leaving directory > `/scratch/latexo/users/gdr/build/src/interp' ->=20 -> =3D=3D=3D=3D +> +> ==== > I think the effects of low memory can be unpredictable. You should definitely try using the newest gcl-2.6.8pre and changing CGLOPTS to specify a smaller default memory such as - --enable-maxpage=3D196*1024 -=20 + --enable-maxpage=196*1024 + > ... Regards, @@ -64045,32 +46848,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSM71-0004SQ-Gs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:13:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSM70-0004SF-A5 - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:13:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSM6x-0004Qj-5q - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:13:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSM6x-0004Qg-2e - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:13:11 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSMBg-0007WB-Ad - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:18:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B7740F09; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:13:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8QNAPWb003648; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:10:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8QNAPcw003647; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:10:25 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Sep 2006 01:10:24 +0200 @@ -64132,30 +46909,6 @@ issue out of the way. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSMYz-0000LB-Gy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:42:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSMYy-0000Kw-Jr - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:42:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSMYx-0000KP-0v - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:42:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSMYw-0000KL-Md - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:42:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSMdg-0001mJ-8d - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:47:00 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 989E268625; - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B64D968720; - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:41:54 -0400 Thread-Topic: Axiom memory usage and GCL Thread-Index: AcbhwXQkjSsj1RehT5mdRxcsOqlojgAAqIAg @@ -64164,33 +46917,33 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: RE: Axiom memory usage and GCL -Gaby,=20 +Gaby, On Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:10 PM you wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> |=20 +> | > | How do you access the SF x86-linux1 machine? I used to > | have access but the method I used (via cf.sourceforge.net) > | stopped working a few weeks ago and I haven't been able > | to access any of the compile farm machines since that time. ->=20 +> > I first log onto cf-shell.sf.net; then ssh x86-linux1 from > there. Cool. I wonder why no one at SourceForge ever mentioned that this is possible? -https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=3Ddetail&atid=3D200001&aid=3D155345= +https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=155345= 6&gro -up_id=3D1 +up_id=1 Or why the compile farm docs don't mention it except for remote commmand execution? 'course I shoulda thought of trying that... ;) -> ...=20 +> ... > I've been doing a binary search (which gives me a chance to > appreciate changetset commits); I may be near the commit that > caused the problem, but I really wish Axiom were faster to @@ -64211,32 +46964,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSNSL-0002XL-Q8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:39:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSNSJ-0002X3-PB - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:39:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSNSG-0002UN-18 - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:39:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSNSF-0002UH-S2 - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:39:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSNX0-00071b-0x - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:44:10 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C803A4F3C7; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:39:13 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8R0aX4a004948; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:36:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8R0aX1g004947; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:36:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Sep 2006 02:36:33 +0200 @@ -64289,30 +47016,6 @@ Axiom, it takes long to make progress. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSOef-0004UX-1w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSOed-0004U5-3y - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSOec-0004Tm-Fi - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSOec-0004Ta-76 - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSOjM-00056T-S4 - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:01:01 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1F61F6863B; - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9FAD468637; - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:56:01 -0400 Thread-Topic: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET @@ -64363,7 +47066,7 @@ like a macro expansion in the underlying programming language even though it is actually done at the time of notangle, prior to the compilation. From the point-of-view of the static document perhaps <> is ease to understand. Presumably -one defines <>=3D because it has a special significance +one defines <>= because it has a special significance and/or is a sub-expression that occurs frequently in the source and deserves to be singled out and explained separately in the documentation. @@ -64404,14 +47107,14 @@ On Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:35 PM Kai Kaminski wrote: > > True. > -> >>=20 +> >> > >> (defun bar (...) > >> (blah blub)) -> >>=20 +> >> > >> (defun foo (...) > >> (let ((...)) > >> (bar ...))) -> >>=20 +> >> > > > > This defines a function and a "top level form". > > The first expression is evaluated and returns a function. @@ -64424,16 +47127,16 @@ On Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:35 PM Kai Kaminski wrote: > much prefer the former, since it's easier to understand and to > work with. If performance is an issue, an INLINE-declaration > might help. ->=20 +> > >> and -> >>=20 -> >> <>=3D +> >> +> >> <>= > >> (defun foo (...) > >> (let ((...)) > >> <>)) > >> @ -> >>=20 -> >> <>=3D +> >> +> >> <>= > >> (blah blub) > >> @ > > @@ -64441,40 +47144,13 @@ On Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:35 PM Kai Kaminski wrote: > > could have other side effects. > > It is not a toplevel form. ->=20 +> > Kai ->=20 +> \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSQQh-0006NX-2M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:49:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSQQe-0006MO-HR - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:49:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSQQd-0006L3-4K - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:49:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSQQc-0006Kt-Ve - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:49:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSQVO-0005et-Tp - for list; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:54:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB65140E22 - for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:49:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8R3l3UV007205 - for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:47:05 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8R3l3pP007204; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:47:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: list From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Sep 2006 05:47:03 +0200 @@ -64497,51 +47173,27 @@ PS: yes, I consider that I have relatively "fast" machines. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSQfm-0003wz-Hl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSQfl-0003wq-Iw - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSQfj-0003wd-66 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSQfi-0003wa-W2 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSQkV-000727-2y - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:10:19 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 15C5968751; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A35B868674; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:18 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Building Axiom Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:05:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: Building Axiom Thread-Index: Acbh6AKtmWUWRmb4SJmLzUfAQNGCNgAAIf6Q From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list On Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:47 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 -> The time it takes to build Axiom is prohibitive. =20 ->=20 +> +> The time it takes to build Axiom is prohibitive. +> > If the build is done only once a day, that is probably alright. > However, when several iterations are done in a day, it becomes -> unbearable. =20 ->=20 +> unbearable. +> > What can be done to improve the build time? ->=20 +> > -- Gaby > PS: yes, I consider that I have relatively "fast" machines. ->=20 +> After eliminating the obvious like avoiding building the docs and running the tests, the next thing you probably need to do @@ -64561,32 +47213,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GST1e-0008Ik-FI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:36:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GST1c-0008II-9v - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:36:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GST1a-0008I5-JX - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:36:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GST1a-0008I1-Fh - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GST6O-0005Lo-4r - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:41:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23BD4F399; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:36:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8R6XM0C008741; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:33:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8R6XMjA008740; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:33:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Building Axiom From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -64638,31 +47264,6 @@ we have to try. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSTqE-0005pZ-2U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:28:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSTqB-0005oZ-V6 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:28:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSTqA-0005nz-Pz - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:28:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSTqA-0005nt-Ij - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:28:22 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GSTuy-0000qD-KS - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:33:20 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GSTq1-0004sk-BD; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:28:13 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GSTq1-0003Ch-AE; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:28:13 +0200 To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page Subject: Re: Building Axiom @@ -64740,32 +47341,6 @@ Martin \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSVC6-000328-JS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:55:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSVC4-00030V-D1 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:55:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSVC3-0002zs-In - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:55:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSVC3-0002zZ-8Q - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:55:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSVGr-0000p7-WC - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:00:02 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7E541087; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:55:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8R8qIEL010746; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:52:21 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8R8qIAu010745; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:52:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Building Axiom @@ -64837,38 +47412,12 @@ Hear! Hear! Hear! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXSB-0008U6-KT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:19:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXSA-0008U1-FF - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:19:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXS9-0008TR-DY - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:19:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSXS9-0008T9-8W - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:19:49 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSXX0-0007bI-1C - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:24:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5111B23EC; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:19:47 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757C022C9; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:19:46 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D67782B8D; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:19:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:19:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: Re: Google Code repository On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -64891,36 +47440,10 @@ same here. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXU3-0000s7-WF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:21:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXU2-0000ry-Lv - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:21:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXU2-0000rN-4E - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:21:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSXU1-0000rF-W4 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:21:46 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSXYs-0007lU-NH - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:26:46 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B253A30; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:21:45 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-1-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0C39CF; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:21:39 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE6B82B8D; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:21:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:21:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Page, Bill wrote: @@ -64945,32 +47468,6 @@ That is correct. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXZl-0003rW-9t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:27:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXZj-0003r6-K8 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:27:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSXZi-0003qX-6L - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:27:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSXZh-0003qU-VD - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:27:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSXeY-0008HF-OA - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:32:38 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF8041086; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:27:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8RBOr8X012934; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:24:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8RBOr60012933; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:24:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom memory usage and GCL @@ -65000,34 +47497,8 @@ system. I suspect that is encouraging. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSZAL-0005TT-Pq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSZAK-0005Sw-4D - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSZAI-0005Sk-OC - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSZAI-0005Sh-H2 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:30 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSZF9-0002yB-Se - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:14:32 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8RD987m001237 - for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:09:18 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30205 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 13:09:10 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.23.217]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 27 Sep 2006 13:09:10 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8RD0In21294; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:00:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:00:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis on 27 Sep 2006 05:47:03 +0200) Subject: Re: Building Axiom @@ -65062,30 +47533,6 @@ t \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSbNA-0004GU-OV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSbN9-0004Fx-AX - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSbN7-0004FF-Mo - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSbN7-0004F8-GU - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSbS0-0001Ru-5c - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:35:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5F396689CE; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 991D2689C5; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:45 -0400 Thread-Topic: plone Thread-Index: AcbiKrrrLeWs8TsxTgi6EvdePm//+AAEVNcg @@ -65094,16 +47541,16 @@ To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: plone -Ralf,=20 +Ralf, On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:50 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I'll probably need some time to bring me up-to-date. > If you have questions about Plone, ZWiki or Zope, please feel free to ask. I will try to help. -=20 + > As I have learned by now, there are several different programs > that implement a wiki concept (Zwiki, Twiki, MediaWiki, ... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software @@ -65125,11 +47572,11 @@ object-oriented database. I consider this a "higher-level" application development environment compared to some other scripting languages and choice of database or file system. But this is large a subject matter of "taste". -=20 + > The reason, I am asking is that we currently run Twiki at RISC, > but I am not so convinced whether it is better/worse than Zwiki > or MediaWiki. (It's a pain to learn just another wiki syntax...) ->=20 +> I have looked at Twiki, and used both MediaWiki and Moinmoin. I think all three of these now have optional LaTeX support. @@ -65168,32 +47615,6 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSdO4-0000iz-0g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:40:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSdO2-0000hp-E3 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:39:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSdO0-0000fB-Si - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:39:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSdO0-0000ey-EO - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:39:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSdSu-0007fB-HY - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:45:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC574F3DE; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:39:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8RHbBra020325; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:37:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8RHbBKw020324; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:37:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Building Axiom <200609271300.k8RD0In21294@localhost.localdomain> @@ -65201,7 +47622,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Sep 2006 19:37:11 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > The time it takes to build Axiom is prohibitive. | > @@ -65239,32 +47660,6 @@ time waiting for the compiler. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSjZ6-0003gM-Sg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:15:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSjZ4-0003dR-EF - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:15:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSjZ3-0003cy-RC - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:15:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSjZ3-0003cv-Lu - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:15:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSje1-0001Xy-MN - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:20:53 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F304F3B0; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:15:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8S0CwUo028519; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:13:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8S0CwtW028518; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:12:58 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom memory usage and GCL @@ -65302,36 +47697,12 @@ Thanks! \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSlF4-0006EA-RG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSlF3-0006Dh-8s - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSlF2-0006D3-Ld - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSlF2-0006Cm-Gs - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSlK1-0008Ae-7K - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:08:21 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A688268CA3; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F1CE868C9F; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:03:09 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbiJtnkvV/bXL/6QNa8vvRvXLYn0AAeEAQg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Google Code repository Alfredo and Gaby, @@ -65339,16 +47710,16 @@ Alfredo and Gaby, I think we should get the Google repository reloaded ASAP. On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:20 AM Gaby wrote: ->=20 +> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Alfredo Portes wrote: ->=20 -> | With the space we have now, one thing we can do is have=20 +> +> | With the space we have now, one thing we can do is have > | Silver in the trunk and build-improvements in a branch > | and go from there if Google increases the size. > | Do you think that is ok? ->=20 +> > Yes, definitely. ->=20 +> I also agree. But to do that we *must* get the Google Code masters to reset our svn repository on Google back to zero. @@ -65395,34 +47766,11 @@ Bill Page. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSmh8-0001x7-QO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:36:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSmh7-0001wL-W1 - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:36:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSmh5-0001vs-Dh - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:36:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSmh5-0001vp-5l - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:36:15 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.225] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSmm5-0003dv-3o - for list; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:41:25 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so554478wxc - for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:14 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=F6b6mc/u6Q1N/IAuXbnf07wrfO4THgeBlFyDTTphc8H+Ox5r9UNtBlaC9oFuziOMQ8CUDLlSJPK0e6qwPXyEWblB0alIR0r3xEL5GPiNyPQGsymGBp2MUWqWNB7yLDUt2pHKr5ZZEQu/HgBs4+IR57B5HP8Fgmylh/lCTYBNPyQ= -Received: by 10.90.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr644424agc; - Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:13 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:36:13 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Google Code repository Bill, @@ -65440,39 +47788,13 @@ Alfredo \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSuVf-0007UH-IU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:56:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSuVd-0007Tg-JC - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:56:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSuVc-0007TB-Gq - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:56:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSuVc-0007T6-AR - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:56:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSuag-0003bM-K3 - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:02:10 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E76440E22; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:56:54 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8SBs9lL004571; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:54:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8SBs9i7004570; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:54:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Google Code repository From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Sep 2006 13:54:08 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -65496,37 +47818,14 @@ contact them or do you prefer to handle it? \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSwYX-0006lX-JU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:08:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSwYV-0006jh-G9 - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:08:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSwYQ-0006gS-Tk - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:08:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSwYQ-0006gP-O1 - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:07:58 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.233] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSwdW-0000bU-Pb - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:13:14 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so200449wri - for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:07:58 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=XuDiSfLYUPX87lYmYweCExcuONpP+HNZr62mWLC2Ln1jmGd1al/OMPcojrTRTxh3fbffEbPZitlbckR33fxU8291f6CLGxiclkQqQki+KIX1SZlg6pzlTLjlLQBBvDbkKhL0+UNPuD9ZNd0PT5FG+AKpMUyOKd0m78J4oODveKE= -Received: by 10.90.115.9 with SMTP id n9mr764137agc; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:07:57 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Google Code repository -Cc: axiom-dev +Cc: list On 28 Sep 2006 13:54:08 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -65549,47 +47848,10 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Thanks Gaby. I already emailed them, but no response yet. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSxCM-0007WB-Td - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:49:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSxCL-0007U2-Ic - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:49:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSxCJ-0007Rl-QB - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:49:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSxCJ-0007RV-IO - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:49:11 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.239] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSxHP-0005YH-SJ - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:28 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so183418wri - for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=EkTYYhrZSvgcF20R48qosaCmE78xQMQOleEklMOTU68YQox2SVNOEocF+Fqpfw4vmBGxiBtNfH+Pz6wNJpJQD10Lsqxrjx+YQbpyD4Nt2CqN+U/L+e87sscIWDXwfjXdnOi5s1CRzX7NnYavgoQlaBkqh8CmI96taE18L/7Z0hw= -Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr815429agb; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:49:10 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-dev - <#14.4648867.7a454e5a.45072f85.1cb0@google.trakken.com> - - - <944683b40609141206k41b5b5eetce9d89ee8970ea0e@mail.google.com> - - <944683b40609210926t6c0b9e01o3d4638d87c69944@mail.google.com> - - - <944683b40609280740t53025862t8de0312c705096fa@mail.google.com> -Cc: +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis, Subject: Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Hi Bill, @@ -65604,15 +47866,10 @@ Regards, Alfredo ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -From: Ben Collins-Sussman -Date: Sep 28, 2006 10:40 AM -Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -To: Alfredo Portes - +From: Ben Collins-Sussman Repository has been reset to revision 0. Quota is still 250MB. - On 9/27/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: > Hi Mr. Collins-Sussman, > @@ -65624,38 +47881,11 @@ On 9/27/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: > > Thank you very much, and we apologize for any > inconvenience this may cause. -> -> Regards, -> -> Alfredo Portes -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSy4U-0001LM-U1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSy4T-0001Ku-QI - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSy4P-0001KC-NG - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSy4P-0001K2-Fc - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:05 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSy9W-0007sR-3S - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:50:22 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-44-218.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-44-218.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.198.218]) - by mwinf1901.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1CA6454000D3; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:45:03 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:45:08 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Subject: patch to daase (probe-file) Bill Page wrote: @@ -65717,38 +47947,12 @@ Not applied. Is it necessary (I do not have time to look at it) ? It seems to me if 'dir' is a directory. Bill, or any other, do you know how we can trigger this bug (in the interpreter for example)? -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSyBe-0001UD-Qa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSyBc-0001Qe-HH - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSyBa-0001Nw-NB - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSyBa-0001No-Jc - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:52:30 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSyGh-0000G7-G6 - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:57:47 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-44-218.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-44-218.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.198.218]) - by mwinf1911.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C96AC1C0013E; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:51:51 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: patch to daase (probe-file) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:51:18 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: patch to daase (probe-file) -Le jeudi 28 septembre 2006 =E0 17:45 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit : [...] > Not applied. Is it necessary (I do not have time to look at it) ? @@ -65759,88 +47963,48 @@ Greg > It seems to me if 'dir' is a directory. Bill, or any other, do you > know how we can trigger this bug (in the interpreter for example)? ->=20 -> Greg ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSylp-0000XL-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSylo-0000XF-4O - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GSylm-0000Wp-Ki - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSylm-0000Wd-CP - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSyqt-00041l-JS - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:11 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EB7E969247; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3E021692A7; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:29:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: patch to daase (probe-file) -Thread-Index: AcbjFRlkW/YKAkiMQt6wmM+p8y7oLwAAUTIg From: Bill Page -To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: RE: patch to daase (probe-file) -Greg,=20 +Greg, Thanks for looking at this patch. On Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:45 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 -> > This patch corrects some incorrect usage of 'probe-file' in the=20 +> +> > This patch corrects some incorrect usage of 'probe-file' in the > > Axiom database code. !! Very important !! ->=20 +> > diff -rN -u old-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet > new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet > --- old-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet Wed Sep20 = 21:32:48 2006 > +++ new-axiom--windows--1-1/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet Wed Sep20 = 21:33:06 2006 -> ...=20 +> ... > > (dolist (dir dirlist) -> > (localdatabase nil=20 -> > (list (list '|dir|=20 -> > - (namestring (probe-file=20 -> > + (namestring (truename=20 -> > (format=20 -> nil "./~a"=20 +> > (localdatabase nil +> > (list (list '|dir| +> > - (namestring (probe-file +> > + (namestring (truename +> > (format +> nil "./~a" > > dir))))) > > 'make-database)) ->=20 +> > Not applied. Is it necessary (I do not have time to look at it)? > It seems to me if 'dir' is a directory. Bill, or any other, do > you know how we can trigger this bug (in the interpreter for > example)? ->=20 +> Since gcl-2.6.7 'probe-file' in gcl returns Nil if it's argument is a directory so any place that it was used in the Axiom Lisp @@ -65875,7 +48039,7 @@ and the affected code is: ... But in etc/Makefile.pamphlet, which is the only place where -make=3Ddatabases is called, we see: +make=databases is called, we see: echo ')lisp (make-databases "" nil)' | ${INTERPSYS} ) @@ -65883,54 +48047,22 @@ so the net effect is that the above bug is not manifest in the current build but this patch is desirable for possible future application and consistency. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT54P-000262-Sp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT54O-00025u-HB - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT54N-00025i-R2 - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT54N-00025f-NN - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:31 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GT59Y-0003IN-Uv - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:18:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A67F16943E; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:30 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B6D9F6942E; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:28 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:23 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbjDUZHa7oMlpVVS5mNOpBhV6gkQAAOgnXg From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , - axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis Alfredo, Gaby, et al. On Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:49 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: ->=20 +> > This is an email sent by Ben Collins from Google. The > repository has been reseted. ->=20 +> > Let me know please if it works fine. ->=20 +> Unfortunately it does not work. :( @@ -65973,17 +48105,17 @@ Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -> From: Ben Collins-Sussman +> From: Ben Collins-Sussman > Date: Sep 28, 2006 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request > To: Alfredo Portes ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Repository has been reset to revision 0. Quota is still 250MB. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > On 9/27/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: > > Hi Mr. Collins-Sussman, > > @@ -65995,59 +48127,24 @@ Bill Page. > > > > Thank you very much, and we apologize for any > > inconvenience this may cause. -> > -> > Regards, -> > -> > Alfredo Portes -> > ->=20 - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT8mR-0002TH-Fy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:11:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT8mP-0002Su-LU - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:11:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT8mG-0002Lo-Ty - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:11:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT8mG-0002LX-R7 - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:11:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GT8rR-0004fb-TS - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:16:27 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3DFB569594; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:10:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 12D41695FB; - Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:10:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:10:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbjDUZHa7oMlpVVS5mNOpBhV6gkQAAOgnXgAAsI5dA= From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , - axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request On Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:13 PM I wrote: ->=20 +> > After several attempts using SVK, first trying the mirroring > method that I mentioned earlier, and then later using just a > simple 'commit' of the most recent revision of trunk from > the Axiom Silver, the result is the same error message: ->=20 +> > "Could not write svndiff to temp file: No space left on > device" -> ...=20 +> ... > In those cases were I could get feedback from svn while it was > working, it seemed that this error occurred while trying to > commit a single large file from the zips directory - probably @@ -66055,7 +48152,7 @@ On Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:13 PM I wrote: > large... I wonder if the Google server is using some very > limited temporary space, e.g. a overly small /tmp volume or > something like that? ->=20 +> Actually I now suspect the problem occurs on our side of the process - not Google's. Our axiom-developer.org server @@ -66066,7 +48163,7 @@ this small space, it is bound to fail. Many applications allow one to define an environment variable to override the placement of files in /tmp, e.g. - export TEMP=3D/anywhere/else + export TEMP=/anywhere/else I was not able to determine if this is possible with svn/SVK or not but I am running another batch job now with this @@ -66074,38 +48171,11 @@ option to see if my commit will run to completion. Stay tuned... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT8t7-00037E-Ek - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:18:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT8t4-00032q-8A - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:18:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GT8sy-0002tJ-0M - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:18:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GT8sx-0002sy-Ou - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:17:59 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GT8y8-00053u-UP - for list; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:23:22 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-21.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.21]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k8T3HgSt015042 - for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:17:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 37AA61A9B4; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:19:08 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Sep 2006 22:19:08 -0500 -Subject: [build-improvements] tidy build-depsys and - build-interpsys - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] tidy build-depsys and build-interpsys build-depsys is supposed to be an interface between the lisp world and the "makefile" world. However, it lacks abstraction. Basically, it @@ -66359,34 +48429,10 @@ built and tested on an i868-pc-linux-gnu. (initroot spad) #+:AKCL - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTHD2-0003Sz-HL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:11:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTHCy-0003Q9-Ul - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:11:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTHCv-0003NY-K3 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:11:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTHCv-0003ND-8D - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:11:09 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTHID-0002VI-NZ - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:16:38 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8TCB5ig021521 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:11:05 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:14:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Hyperdoc problem in patch-49 Type UnivariateTaylorSeries into the browse filed of HyperDoc then press @@ -66401,41 +48447,11 @@ and you get the message "There is no constructor matching pattern Anybody else experiences that problem? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTHgf-0006vh-IW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:41:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTHge-0006tv-9b - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:41:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTHgc-0006sR-5M - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:41:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTHgb-0006sJ-Vg - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:41:50 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTHlu-0006wC-Ol - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:47:18 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GTHgV-0008PB-SM; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:41:43 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GTHgV-0007qc-Q0; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:41:43 +0200 +Date: 29 Sep 2006 14:41:43 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Hyperdoc problem in patch-49 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Sep 2006 14:41:43 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -66454,51 +48470,12 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: As far as I recall, that never worked. 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When the svn client sends a file to the server (during a commit), it uses xdelta to @@ -66545,41 +48522,13 @@ On 9/28/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: > option to see if my commit will run to completion. > > Stay tuned... -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTLv6-000251-Od - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:13:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTLv5-00021y-86 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:13:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTLv3-0001ya-5j - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:13:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTLv2-0001y9-C6 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:13:00 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTM0O-0005oY-3R - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:18:32 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.139.49] (ALille-251-1-33-49.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.139.49]) - by mwinf1901.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D131854000B7 - for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:12:55 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:13:06 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Working in the boot package -Hello, - - I want to work in the boot package. Is it possible from the interpreter to open a gcl prompt with all the Axiom packages loaded and, it's _very important_, all the internal variables set? If I work with depsys some @@ -66590,44 +48539,11 @@ if I modified the AXIOM default directory with ')cd /home/greg/Axiom'. Of course I know that it's possible to use ')lisp lisp-code' but this is not practical. -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTMoX-0005eB-V5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:10:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTMoV-0005du-I6 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:10:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTMoT-0005dF-Vm - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:10:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTMoT-0005d2-LE - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:10:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTMtp-0002nh-Uy - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:15:50 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8TIA4AF008675 - for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:10:12 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11322 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 18:10:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.18.37]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 29 Sep 2006 18:10:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8TI10623097; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:01:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:01:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:13:06 +0200) Subject: Re: Working in the boot package -Cc: list > I want to work in the boot package. Is it possible from the interpreter > to open a gcl prompt with all the Axiom packages loaded and, it's _very @@ -66639,12 +48555,8 @@ Cc: list > Of course I know that it's possible to use ')lisp lisp-code' but this is > not practical. - - There are at least several ways. - - The one I usually use is to type: -> )lisp (setq |$DALYMODE| t) @@ -66657,10 +48569,6 @@ do this you can type lisp expressions at the prompt: -> (+ 2 3) Value = 5 - - - - Another method is to type: -> )lisp (break) @@ -66672,9 +48580,6 @@ BOOT>> :q at the lisp prompt. - - - A third method is to type: -> )lisp (throw |$intTopLevel| nil) @@ -66684,43 +48589,18 @@ to axiom type: BOOT> (restart) - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTON3-0001rm-Rt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:50:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTON2-0001qP-CQ - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:50:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTON0-0001nN-6T - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:50:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTON0-0001nK-3x - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:50:02 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTOSN-00023m-7i - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:55:35 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8TJnWS9005161; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:19 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Gregory Vanuxem Subject: RE: Working in the boot package -Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:19 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list On September 29, 2006 1:13 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > > > I want to work in the boot package. Is it possible from > > the interpreter to open a gcl prompt with all the Axiom > > packages loaded ... ->=20 +> On September 29, 2006 2:01 PM Tim Daly wrote: > > There are at least several ways. @@ -66737,40 +48617,12 @@ Hmmm.... what about the command? See Axiom Book. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOU2-0007GW-3D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:57:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOTz-0007Fh-H9 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:57:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOTw-0007FS-WE - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:57:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTOTw-0007FP-QS - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:57:12 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.28] (helo=mail208.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTOZJ-0002s2-Ti - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:02:46 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail208.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8TJuYxu030168; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:56:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:56:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On September 29, 2006 8:19 AM Ben Collins-Sussman wrote: > @@ -66794,46 +48646,12 @@ expected manner. :-) At the current rate of upload, I expect the process to take a few more hours. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOgn-0003mf-DW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:10:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOgl-0003mF-KZ - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:10:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOgj-0003m2-Ug - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:10:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTOgj-0003lz-QK - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:10:25 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTOm7-0003u4-7g - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:15:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869DA44AF; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:10:24 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED59D44A0; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:10:22 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B181C82B8F; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:10:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:10:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: @@ -66855,82 +48673,27 @@ That is great! It is comforting to see that technogoly works :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOoq-0001MX-OD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:18:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOop-0001Ka-60 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:18:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTOon-0001IS-Ez - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:18:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTOon-0001IM-Ai - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:18:45 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTOuA-0004uH-JA - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:24:18 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8TKIY2p007562 - for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:18:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28161 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 20:18:35 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.18.37]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 29 Sep 2006 20:18:35 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k8TK9W123161; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:09:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:09:32 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Axiom conference call Is anyone available for an axiom conference call? Perhaps saturday at noot (EST)? -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTPXH-0007ZC-2d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:04:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTPXF-0007Yq-De - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:04:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTPXD-0007XB-O2 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:04:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTPXD-0007Wu-FX - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:04:39 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTPcb-0000bz-60 - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:10:13 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.139.49] (ALille-251-1-33-49.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.139.49]) - by mwinf1912.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 885781C000B8; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:04:19 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: RE: Working in the boot package -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:04:00 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Working in the boot package -Le vendredi 29 septembre 2006 =E0 15:49 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit : > On September 29, 2006 1:13 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > > > > > I want to work in the boot package. Is it possible from > > > the interpreter to open a gcl prompt with all the Axiom > > > packages loaded ... -> >=20 +> > > On September 29, 2006 2:01 PM Tim Daly wrote: > > > > There are at least several ways. @@ -66940,11 +48703,11 @@ Le vendredi 29 septembre 2006 =E0 15:49 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit : > > at the lisp prompt. > > -> )lisp (throw |$intTopLevel| nil) > > BOOT> (restart) ->=20 +> > Hmmm.... what about the command? ->=20 +> > )fin ->=20 +> > See Axiom Book. Impeccable! @@ -66953,42 +48716,12 @@ Thanks for these quick responses. Just a note, if I restart axiom via the lisp command (restart) ')fin' no longer works -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTPy5-00089W-4f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:32:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTPy3-000891-NJ - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:32:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTPy1-00088I-Jx - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:32:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTPy1-00088D-EX - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:32:21 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.227] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTQ3P-0002jy-Fo - for list; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:37:55 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1372510wxc - for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:32:20 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=ARV4UkiHdAdkPlA49966T3ZeyaJkGmLGfIN2qKVZkwK4Eakq5I+et5STcMgZe1HmOwH2jHQ2l5P4rJnZG8D0UwLvfGrVtSnk7XoqCvYCCBN7RUwhVByywZYWIVcxMFdRdRZUPKqXiTIP3Xfia169d8XQUE0I52sbBXPISTvrgEQ= -Received: by 10.90.118.10 with SMTP id q10mr2133495agc; - Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:32:20 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:32:20 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <027001c6e401$604654c0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , - axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis > Thanks for the explanation. Our service providers has modified > the configuration of /tmp on our server to provide more space @@ -67002,54 +48735,13 @@ I do not know if the steps you provided me before are still the ones to use. This is just in case you want me to take care of the maintaining them in sync. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTabX-0005Eg-W7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:53:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTabV-0005C5-A5 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:53:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTabT-00059h-3o - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:53:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTabS-00059Q-Ra - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:53:46 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTagx-0007X9-Fh - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:59:27 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552D140F53; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:53:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8U8orx7014428; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:50:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8U8orsP014427; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:50:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200609272016.k8RKGIU21531@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609280012.k8S0CF021594@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609281302.k8SD28n22224@localhost.localdomain> - - <200609281506.k8SF6xS22280@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Sep 2006 10:50:53 +0200 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Data structure for object - definition +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Data structure for object definition -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -67069,30 +48761,10 @@ Hmm, I don't know how to make sense of this (from interp/Makefile): if I do s/new//g in that sentence. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTfMn-0004OV-IM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:58:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTfMl-0004O0-Ox - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:58:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTfMj-0004Mn-0V - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:58:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTfMi-0004Mk-TM - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:58:52 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTfSG-0007vj-8R - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:04:36 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GTfMR-0006b1-00 - for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:58:35 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:58:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: build improvements results I have uptdated to build-improvements form 29.09.2006 and tried it @@ -67104,8 +48776,8 @@ due to missing msgfmt: make[6]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build2/lsp/gcl-2.= 6.8pre/binutils/bfd/po' -file=3D./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ - && rm -f $file && PATH=3D../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po +file=./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ + && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po /bin/sh: line 1: msgfmt: command not found make[6]: *** [fr.gmo] B=B3=B1d 127 @@ -67164,44 +48836,11 @@ When I modified the Makefile to put the 'compiler::link' form on a single line I was able to restart the build. Build produced stopped latex process later, but appearently I got working AXIOMsys. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTiVK-0000Et-1H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:19:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTiVH-0000Ef-Ld - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:19:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTiVF-0000ET-Nh - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:19:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTiVF-0000EQ-Fb - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:19:53 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTiap-00005N-0N - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:25:39 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB4A40F05; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:19:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8UHGxNZ020317; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:17:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8UHGxug020316; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:16:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Sep 2006 19:16:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build improvements results -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Sep 2006 19:16:59 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -67213,11 +48852,11 @@ Hi Waldek, many thanks four your report! | option. On amd64 mandrake 9.2 build works with bundled gcl (did not | try installed gcl). On debian unstable bundled gcl does not build | due to missing msgfmt: -|=20 +| | make[6]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build2/lsp/gcl-= 2.6.8pre/binutils/bfd/po' -| file=3D./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ -| && rm -f $file && PATH=3D../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po +| file=./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ +| && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po | /bin/sh: line 1: msgfmt: command not found | make[6]: *** [fr.gmo] B=B3=B1d 127 @@ -67225,7 +48864,7 @@ This is a binutils inside GCL issue. I don't know what to do about it. Maybe modify GCL not to build with intl' support? | Again on debian unstable using installed gcl fails: -|=20 +| | make[2]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build/lsp' | echo '(compiler::link nil "/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build/build/x86_64-u= nknown-linux/bin/lisp" \ @@ -67251,9 +48890,9 @@ d.a")' | Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (READLINE BFD UNEXEC) | Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license | Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter -|=20 +| | Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. -|=20 +| | >Error handler called recursively (:UNBOUND-VARIABLE NIL EVAL "" | "The variable ~S is unbound." @@ -67273,37 +48912,12 @@ I'll eventually get to the latex part. For the moment, I've "mysteriously broken" my local tree. I propose to nominate Axiom for the most voodoo-esque software :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTlh9-0000re-8M - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:44:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTlh8-0000rT-2R - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:44:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTlh6-0000rH-Qe - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:44:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTlh6-0000rE-Mh - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:44:20 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.132] (helo=mail12c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTlmi-0000jQ-5m - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:50:08 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail12c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k8UKhgYP021005; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:43:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:43:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gaby, @@ -67411,39 +49025,18 @@ during the build instead of just committing these patches to Axiom's version of gcl in the repository? All of this stuff is stored in the repository in a compressed manner anyway, right? - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTmmi-0003aF-BB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:54:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTmmh-0003Zq-4J - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:54:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTmmf-0003ZW-Hs - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:54:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTmmf-0003ZQ-Ae - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:54:09 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTmsH-0007ta-Bd - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:59:57 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GTmmM-00023t-00; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:53:50 +0200 -Subject: Re: build improvements results -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:53:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build improvements results +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 +> > | Again on debian unstable using installed gcl fails: -> |=20 +> | > | make[2]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build/lsp' > | echo '(compiler::link nil "/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build/build/x86_64= -unknown-linux/bin/lisp" \ @@ -67469,13 +49062,13 @@ pad.a")' > | Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (READLINE BFD UNEXEC) > | Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license > | Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter -> |=20 +> | > | Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. -> |=20 +> | > | >Error handler called recursively (:UNBOUND-VARIABLE NIL EVAL "" > | "The variable ~S is unbound." ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Is it possible this might be a shell issue? It looks to me as if the > mutiline format string isn't being properly interpreted as a string > when passed to GCL. What shell was that? @@ -67488,40 +49081,11 @@ I have checked on another Debian machine (this time using bundled gcl) and the same problem appeared. Both problematic machnes run Gnu make 3.81. The other machines (without this problem) run Gnu make 3.80. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTnCl-0001s5-Op - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:21:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTnCk-0001rk-B6 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:21:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTnCi-0001rV-OK - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:21:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnCi-0001rS-Kh - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:21:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTnIL-0002Av-17 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:26:53 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8UMKpig008635 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:20:51 +0200 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:23:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build improvements results -Cc: list I believe I have run into that problem with one of my own projects. Here = @@ -67529,8 +49093,6 @@ is my 'svn log' corresponding to it. Maybe that gives some inside. Cannot you move the \ outside the '...' area. -Ralf - ---My ChangeLog There was a problem with handling quoted backslash/newline combinations @@ -67557,7 +49119,7 @@ On 09/30/2006 11:53 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> Waldek Hebisch writes: >> >> | Again on debian unstable using installed gcl fails: ->> |=20 +>> | >> | make[2]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build/lsp'= >> | echo '(compiler::link nil "/home/s/test/tt/axiom7/ax-build/build/x86= @@ -67588,9 +49150,9 @@ ibspad.a")' >> | Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible lice= nse >> | Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter ->> |=20 +>> | >> | Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. ->> |=20 +>> | >> | >Error handler called recursively (:UNBOUND-VARIABLE NIL EVAL "" >> | "The variable ~S is unbound." >> @@ -67599,58 +49161,20 @@ nse >> mutiline format string isn't being properly interpreted as a string >> when passed to GCL. What shell was that? >> ->=20 +> > GNU bash, version 3.1.14(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) ->=20 +> > AFAICS shell preserve backslashes (since they are inside apostrophes). > I have checked on another Debian machine (this time using bundled gcl) > and the same problem appeared. Both problematic machnes run Gnu make > 3.81. 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I may need to investigate ASAP! Yes, this is what I was trying to hint at when you guys initially asked for a gig of space. :-) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTnlA-0001SX-1a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:56:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTnl8-0001P1-5c - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:56:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTnl5-0001Jw-VX - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:56:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTnl5-0001JQ-Q2 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:56:35 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTnqi-00057l-Gq - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:02:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AAA27F3; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:56:33 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-5-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A572126EC; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:56:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A7B82B8F; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:56:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:56:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: @@ -67740,42 +49235,11 @@ maintains its own forks of GCL and noweb. However, as per the build-improvements branch, I think we no longer apply patches against the tarballs. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTo0v-0001XZ-26 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTo0r-0001WB-MT - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTo0p-0001Ux-UY - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTo0p-0001Ut-Qj - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:12:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTo6S-0006AN-VI - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:18:41 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D78740F67; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:12:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k8UN9qkt024735; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:09:55 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k8UN9qOR024734; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:09:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 Oct 2006 01:09:52 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build improvements results -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Oct 2006 01:09:52 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -67807,39 +49271,12 @@ codes :-) Now, if this is a make bug, then it is really unfortunate. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GToMP-0006Cv-Py - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:35:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GToMN-0006Bk-7f - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:35:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GToML-0006BG-GC - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:35:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GToML-0006BD-Cb - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:35:05 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GToRy-00009s-HR - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:40:54 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.29] (funklan.is4all.net [194.96.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k8UNYuig010075 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:34:56 +0200 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:37:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: build improvements results - -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Ralf, the reason the command line was slipt is that everyong on > online reads gerbish to be -- I can't see whether the next paren @@ -67864,43 +49301,12 @@ Just put the apostrophes differently. I'll be quiet next time. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTq69-0000uo-04 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:26:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTq67-0000uj-CF - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:26:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTq66-0000uX-RQ - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:26:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTq66-0000uU-Im - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:26:26 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTqBk-00016y-Tn - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:32:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k911Q89J008859 - for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:26:16 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18703 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 01:26:08 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.22.162]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 1 Oct 2006 01:26:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k911H6D23976; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:17:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:17:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Cc: sussman@google.com, list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis > PS. On a related issue. The more I think about the 'zips' > directory in the Axiom distribution the more I think it was a @@ -67945,9 +49351,6 @@ As far as I know there is no yum for the MAC. Axiom build should 'just work'. - - - > If we really need a copy of gcl, why don't we just add it properly > into the repository as source code? Why do we work around the > capabilities of the source code control system by saving the @@ -67965,9 +49368,6 @@ not get out of sync since the patches are obvious. The fact that the repository is or is not compressed has nothing to do with the whole issue. - - - Part of your frustration seems to be coming from SVN. I'm using SVN in work and it 'locks' the source tree, insists I run 'cleanup' (which NEVER works), and forces me to unwind changes, blow away my @@ -67990,44 +49390,12 @@ SVN is broken. Face it. It's not ready for prime time. The only hope we have is to host it ourselves so you can use the admin tools to recover. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqAz-000502-5T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:31:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqAx-0004yP-N2 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:31:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqAw-0004uT-4F - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:31:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTqAv-0004u0-SM - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:31:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTqGa-0001Vj-89 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:37:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B0D40F05 - for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 03:31:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k911SUJV026685 - for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 03:28:32 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k911SUoX026684; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 03:28:30 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Oct 2006 03:28:30 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: boottocl - Tim -- there exist two implementations of boottran::boottocl: @@ -68036,43 +49404,12 @@ there exist two implementations of boottran::boottocl: Which one is the real boottocl compiled into the Boot translator? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqiW-0003vg-JY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:06:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqiU-0003vK-HF - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:06:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqiS-0003v8-TC - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:06:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTqiS-0003v5-NY - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:06:04 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTqo7-0004R7-CK - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:11:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D8D1CBF; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:06:03 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (smtp.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-7-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FA01C5C; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:06:02 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC1E82B95; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 21:05:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly - <200610010117.k911H6D23976@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, root wrote: @@ -68092,36 +49429,12 @@ On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, root wrote: I don't know how you guys manage into get such a series of mess. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqnO-0006aT-Q6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:11:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqnM-0006aD-SS - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:11:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqnL-0006a1-0b - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:11:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTqnK-0006Zy-S8 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:11:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTqsz-0004ht-HC - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:16:57 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k912AXnl027688; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:10:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:10:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: sussman@google.com, list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis On September 30, 2006 9:17 PM Tim Daly wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -68296,39 +49609,11 @@ It's too complex - like subversion and arch - and does less. Yes, I am afraid so. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTquq-0000Jm-FD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTquo-0000J8-5U - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTqun-0000Ik-6G - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTqun-0000Ie-1E - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:49 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTr0R-0005LL-Tp - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:24:40 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k912ISYX017867; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: boottocl Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:18:11 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: boottocl On September 30, 2006 9:29 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked: > @@ -68348,52 +49633,16 @@ for the CMUCL version of Axiom.) So I guess which one is "real" depends on your point of view. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrC2-0001Fk-Ou - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:36:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrC1-0001Fe-Jc - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:36:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrBx-0001F7-TJ - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:36:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTrBx-0001F0-MN - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:36:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTrHc-0006oL-Nt - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:42:24 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0454F3A4; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:36:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k912XdtA027336; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:33:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k912XdMZ027335; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:33:39 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Oct 2006 04:33:38 +0200 -Cc: list - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request [ I removed Ben from the CC: list because I don't think he really want to get into our internal issues. ] -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -68401,44 +49650,13 @@ to get into our internal issues. ] Where do you get that from? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrEa-00028v-E5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:39:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrEX-000278-SH - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:39:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrEX-00026v-Aw - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:39:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTrEX-00026s-5c - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:39:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTrKC-0007OR-6c - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:45:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5E24F3BF; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:39:09 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k912aIQn027340; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:36:20 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k912aIj8027339; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:36:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Oct 2006 04:36:18 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: boottocl -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On September 30, 2006 9:29 PM Gabriel Dos Reis asked: | > @@ -68462,37 +49680,12 @@ Assume I have an issue with how boottocl works, which version am I supposed to modify? I'm talking of the system as it currently is -- now how it could theoretically be. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrr0-0006Th-5z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrqy-0006TW-Mh - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrqw-0006T6-TT - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTrqw-0006T3-QV - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:54 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTrwc-0002Op-BB - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:24:46 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k913IKsU026878; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:17:41 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -68560,46 +49753,11 @@ This is nearly twice as large as the original! So this confirms that 'svk smerge' does not re-create the repository in the same compact form in which it exists on SourceForge. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrzT-0003EH-LT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:27:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrzS-0003E8-PE - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:27:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTrzQ-0003BO-5i - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:27:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTrzQ-0003BH-2F - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTs55-0003O5-9v - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:33:31 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k913RBpu006964 - for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:27:24 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3842 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 03:27:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.22.162]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 1 Oct 2006 03:27:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k913IBC24068; - Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:18:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 01 Oct 2006 03:28:30 +0200) Subject: Re: boottocl -Cc: list > there exist two implementations of boottran::boottocl: > 1. one in interp/util.lisp, @@ -68626,36 +49784,11 @@ affects the ultimate expansion of the code. so the ultimate answer is i don't know. its been too long. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTs4x-0004ym-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:33:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTs4u-0004yW-Vv - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:33:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTs4t-0004yC-G9 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:33:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTs4t-0004y9-B0 - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:33:19 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GTsAY-0003s5-PW - for list; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:39:11 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k913X0al001804; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:33:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:32:21 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:32:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On September 30, 2006 10:34 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -68678,9 +49811,6 @@ language specific tools such as cpan for perl have a reputation for high quality and ease of use. I don't know anyone besides Tim who has reported such serious problems with these tools. -Regards, -Bill Page. - diff --git a/book/2006-10.txt b/book/2006-10.txt index 5c53e27..5275ebf 100644 --- a/book/2006-10.txt +++ b/book/2006-10.txt @@ -1,38 +1,10 @@ \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTsUq-0008CI-I5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:00:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTsUo-0008BD-6D - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:00:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTsUm-0008Aa-MQ - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:00:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTsUm-0008AT-IB - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:00:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTsaR-0005Yn-3u - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:05:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06CB40F3D; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 05:59:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k913v6Po028120; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 05:57:08 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k913v68X028119; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 05:57:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 Oct 2006 05:57:05 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: boottocl - <200610010318.k913IBC24068@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Oct 2006 05:57:05 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > there exist two implementations of boottran::boottocl: | > 1. one in interp/util.lisp, @@ -67,45 +39,13 @@ code, how the the results end up in the "int/" directory. interesting. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTtvp-00071V-6g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:32:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTtvn-00070x-Kt - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:32:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GTtvm-00070I-Ic - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:32:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTtvm-00070A-3J - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:32:02 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTu1S-0003Ov-R4 - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:37:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D054F3C3; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:31:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k915T72f028813; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:29:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k915T6xI028812; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:29:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 01 Oct 2006 07:29:06 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <200610010117.k911H6D23976@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Oct 2006 07:29:06 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -121,50 +61,12 @@ i.e. what you call GCL-2.6.8pre2). Consequently, I'll investigate and solve the issue if and when I have access to platforms where there are issues. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU1Ku-00044E-TH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:26:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU1Ks-00042T-CC - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:26:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU1Kr-00041j-2o - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:26:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU1Kq-00041g-Ux - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:26:24 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GU1Qc-0005Ra-6z - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:32:22 -0400 -Received: from zps77.corp.google.com (zps77.corp.google.com [172.25.146.77]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k91DQHWk022073 - for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 06:26:18 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=LzpKR7XSqvC47p8ycSixW3hryGcB5/6LgLx6oDL8RrQP+8IK8PFP89uFn9x/UQ+FC - 1ec4FMhKgtGdlhFxr3WaQ== -Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nfcl23.prod.google.com [10.48.113.23]) - by zps77.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k91DQF96009415 - for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 06:26:15 -0700 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l23so1368382nfc - for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 06:26:14 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr1259000huf; - Sun, 01 Oct 2006 06:26:14 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 06:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:26:14 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <037201c6e508$3c133a70$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 9/30/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -223,33 +125,7 @@ users@subversion.tigris.org list (which has thousands of subscribers) to help de-bug whatever gremlins are in your setup. Quietly hating subversion isn't a useful strategy. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU4ww-0005xz-30 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:17:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU4wu-0005xt-5q - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:17:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU4wp-0005xA-2S - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:17:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU4wo-0005x6-VJ - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:17:50 -0400 -Received: from [193.124.167.24] (helo=inpbox.inp.nsk.su) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GU52c-0005wh-GA - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:23:50 -0400 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su ([193.124.167.6]) - by inpbox.inp.nsk.su with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GU4wg-0004Cn-Iq - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:17:42 +0700 -Received: from star.inp.nsk.su (star.inp.nsk.su [127.0.0.1]) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91HGO57022271 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:16:24 +0700 -Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) - by star.inp.nsk.su (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k91HGKVG022268 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:16:24 +0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:16:20 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: list @@ -286,35 +162,10 @@ with both patch-49 and patch-50. I have the newest xorg-7.1 X server. I think graphics worked with old xorg-6.* X servers, but I am not sure about exact versions. -Any ideas? - -Andrey - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU57q-0005yL-0x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:29:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU57p-0005yE-GV - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:29:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU57n-0005xx-4B - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:29:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU57m-0005xu-Su - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:29:10 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GU5Da-0006kO-JQ - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:35:10 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.199.8] (ALille-251-1-45-8.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.199.8]) - by mwinf1902.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F307A1C000D7 - for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:28:56 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer +\start Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:28:43 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts Hello, @@ -343,51 +194,24 @@ a:=1/2 >> System error: |clearCmdparts| is invalid as a function. - -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5DS-00082U-L9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:35:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5DQ-00082H-I7 - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:35:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5DP-000825-Hd - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:35:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU5DP-000822-CY - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:34:59 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GU5JD-0007BF-1W - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:40:59 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k91HYPLs024493; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:34:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:34:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, On October 1, 2006 9:26 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > On 9/30/06, Bill Page wrote: ->=20 +> > > So this confirms that 'svk smerge' does not re-create the > > repository in the same compact form in which it exists on > > SourceForge. :-( > > ->=20 +> > Another experiment you can try: subversion 1.4 now ships with a > mirroring tool called 'svnsync'. @@ -395,7 +219,7 @@ Cool. I had not heard of this yet but I did install 1.4. > Try using 'svnsync push' to replicate one repository to another, > and see the results. ->=20 +> Following the recipe at: @@ -421,7 +245,7 @@ But the 'svnsync sync' command says: The same result was reported here: -http://www.svnforum.org/2017/viewtopic.php?p=3D5442&sid=3D36b51f8b03e12de= +http://www.svnforum.org/2017/viewtopic.php?p=5442&sid=36b51f8b03e12de= a978935 37886b105b @@ -452,46 +276,12 @@ With respect to Google Code, I do miss having access to what seem to be necessary tools such as svnadmin, but I can understand the reason for trying to keep things as simple as possible. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5HE-00014Z-OI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:38:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5HD-00014N-Ei - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:38:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5HB-00013s-NK - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:38:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU5HB-00013p-HQ - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:38:53 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GU5Mz-0007Po-71 - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:44:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246D1395D; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:38:52 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-2-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500FD139D7; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:38:51 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E8482B94; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:38:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:38:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' -Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bill Page wrote: @@ -503,37 +293,12 @@ On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bill Page wrote: Hmm, I find SVK an excellent interface to SVN -- it takes care of many details I don't necessary want to know about. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5mL-0008Iu-CN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:11:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5mJ-0008Ib-8A - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:11:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5mH-0008Ho-4b - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:11:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU5mG-0008Hl-SY - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:11:00 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GU5s4-0002Hp-UX - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:17:01 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k91IAVcd020124; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:10:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:09:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' -Subject: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, On October 1, 2006 1:39 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -554,40 +319,12 @@ are some very good GUI's as well (eg. TortoiseSVN). But I still think that SVN+SVK ends up being both large and complex compared to the alternatives. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5sU-0004nL-RB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:17:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5sT-0004kd-4M - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:17:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU5sR-0004jr-Hf - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:17:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU5sR-0004jo-EL - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:17:23 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.178] (helo=mail58c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GU5yF-0002ur-L1 - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:23:23 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail58c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k91IGsSQ002796; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:17:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:16:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Earlier I wrote: @@ -621,39 +358,11 @@ And it's the same size. Great! Now, how do I use this at Google Code? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU85r-00063i-VO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:39:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU85q-00061K-7r - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:39:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU85n-0005w4-8Z - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:39:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU85n-0005vw-5n - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:39:19 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GU8Bc-0006ZX-MO - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:45:20 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k91KcpCg005120; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:39:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:38:31 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: boottocl -Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:38:31 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On September 30, 2006 10:36 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -669,47 +378,13 @@ necessary, i.e. start with the new Boot in interp. Then there will only be one version to maintain and the build process will be (slightly) faster. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU8De-0002Wi-LY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:47:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU8Dc-0002VO-Nr - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:47:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GU8Db-0002Ud-9i - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:47:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GU8Db-0002UW-5R - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:47:23 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GU8JQ-0007Qu-LI - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:53:24 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F374F3E7; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:47:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k91KiQOn006347; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:44:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k91KiQj4006346; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:44:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Oct 2006 22:44:25 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: boottocl -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On September 30, 2006 10:36 PM Gaby wrote: | > ... @@ -728,44 +403,12 @@ Cc: list Everybody keeps talking about "old" and "new" boot compiler, without telling me which is which.... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUBWw-00089k-Th - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:19:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUBWu-00088S-Dw - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:19:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUBWs-00086w-NC - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:19:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUBWs-00086f-GF - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:19:30 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUBck-0007GL-7G - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:25:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5B94F3B8 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:19:28 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k920GWEr008999 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:16:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k920GWln008998; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:16:32 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 02:16:32 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Boot - Tim -- Where are the source files for the "old" boot compiler located, and @@ -774,43 +417,11 @@ where are the source files for the "new". I know you said "new" is meaningless, but apparently we have may have at least two boot compiler, one "old, and one "new". Which is which? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUCyM-0000Ak-08 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:51:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUCyJ-0000Af-JI - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:51:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUCyH-0000AT-1I - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:51:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUCyG-0000AQ-Rp - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:51:52 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUD49-00050P-Ax - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:57:57 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k921pevF016659 - for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:51:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10978 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 01:51:41 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.17.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 2 Oct 2006 01:51:41 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k921ga532045; - Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:42:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:42:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 02 Oct 2006 02:16:32 +0200) Subject: Re: Boot -Cc: list > Where are the source files for the "old" boot compiler located, and > where are the source files for the "new". @@ -882,87 +493,20 @@ the interp directory and is NOT the same as the boot/shoe version. rather than referring to them both as boot perhaps we should call the one in the src/boot directory 'shoe', following bill's convention. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUEy1-0004hh-Ei - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:59:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUExz-0004er-V3 - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:59:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUExx-0004bi-9L - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:59:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUExx-0004bR-2U - for list; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:59:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUF3q-0000Af-J3 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:05:46 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6254F3C1; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 05:59:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k923uhit011162; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 05:56:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k923uhcT011161; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 05:56:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Oct 2006 05:56:42 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Boot - <200610020142.k921ga532045@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 05:56:42 +0200 -Cc: list - Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUFM6-00029m-4F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:24:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUFM4-00027r-OD - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:24:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUFM2-00023Y-Be - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:24:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUFM2-00023L-3K - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:24:34 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUFRv-0001aV-Qv - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:30:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k924OPe8024598 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:24:25 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18485 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 04:24:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.17.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 2 Oct 2006 04:24:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k924FMN32087; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:15:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:15:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: sussman@google.com, users@subversion.tigris.org - (sussman@google.com) - <037201c6e508$3c133a70$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610010626h5068bc9dv5f1205c42028ae08@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +From: Tim Daly +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request > * Saying 'svn isn't ready for primetime' is mildly amusing to me. I'm > one of subversion's original designers, and the system has been @@ -1016,42 +560,13 @@ Maybe they can fix sourceforge. Tim, the loser who can't commit, Daly - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUGY1-0004Lh-FO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:41:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUGXz-0004Ks-R4 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:40:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUGXx-0004Hr-6K - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:40:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUGXx-0004Ho-3v - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:40:57 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUGdr-0006MO-S8 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:47:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3404F3CA; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:40:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k925bwRZ012307; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:38:00 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k925bwRD012306; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:37:58 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 07:37:58 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: boottocl -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On September 30, 2006 10:36 PM Gaby wrote: | > ... @@ -1073,39 +588,11 @@ dominated by building the algebras. And each algebra file seems to me to take forever to compile. Making compilation faster is going to speed up the built process. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUH6a-0002LK-Cg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:16:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUH6Y-0002I0-KN - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:16:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUH6X-0002Fz-If - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:16:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUH6X-0002Fq-Ev - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:16:41 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.36] (helo=eastrmmtao03.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUHCS-00013Z-Jv - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:22:48 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20061002061640.YCPP23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:16:40 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id VJGX1V0073wCxUe0000000 - Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:16:31 -0400 +Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:15:33 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: Boot -Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:15:33 -0400 - <200610020142.k921ga532045@localhost.localdomain> - charset="iso-8859-15" On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:42, root wrote: @@ -1168,41 +655,10 @@ VERY few people with a hope of decoding this as is, especially issues like optimization. Is there any way the rest of us could do something that would make decoding the whole of the maze unnecessary? -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHRA-0004tX-J7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:38:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHR8-0004rt-G4 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:37:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHR7-0004rU-ND - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:37:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHR7-0004rR-Hz - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:37:57 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUHX2-0002aI-Ry - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:44:05 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k926bjcY031471 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:37:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11069 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 06:37:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.17.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 2 Oct 2006 06:37:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k926SiQ32126; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:28:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:28:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: sussman@google.com, users@subversion.tigris.org -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: svn failures my console log. @@ -1333,43 +789,11 @@ But it doesn't. Tim, 'it should just work', Daly - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHfb-0003Wr-UY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:52:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHfZ-0003TP-Qa - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:52:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHfZ-0003Sn-0F - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:52:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHfY-0003SZ-Mr - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:52:52 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUHlU-0003OK-0U - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:59:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F654F3CA; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:52:46 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k926nsGD013145; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:49:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k926nskj013144; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:49:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Oct 2006 08:49:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Boot - <200610020142.k921ga532045@localhost.localdomain> - <200610020215.33872.Cliff Yapp> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 08:49:53 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -1417,44 +841,14 @@ the moment, the existing code provide such data. I suspect now, we know what we would like to improve, what did not work, and what is simply broken idea. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHjC-0006DA-P0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:56:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHjA-0006Bn-UX - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:56:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUHjA-0006B7-AL - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:56:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUHjA-0006B4-11 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:56:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUHp5-0003lU-DK - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:02:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D3E4F399; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:56:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k926rbbH013161; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:53:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k926rbji013160; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:53:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Oct 2006 08:53:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: svn failures -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 08:53:37 +0200 -Cc: sussman@google.com, list, users@subversion.tigris.org +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -1468,47 +862,17 @@ I think you can seamlessly; (3) posit there is something between you and SVN. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUMfi-00054g-IF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:13:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUMfg-00054N-CO - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:13:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUMff-00054B-0A - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:13:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUMfe-000548-R1 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:13:18 -0400 -Received: from [134.93.178.131] (helo=mailgate01.zdv.uni-mainz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUMld-0006kE-Fd - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:19:29 -0400 -Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.49]) - by mailgate01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2006 14:13:16 +0200 -Received: from EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE ([134.93.177.33]) by - exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:13:16 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: boottocl Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:13:15 +0200 -Thread-Topic: boottocl -Thread-Index: Acbl5VkDyJLi4oixT+64/XvIUITIFwANUDVg -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "Bill Page" Bill Page - FILETIME=[23DE45C0:01C6E61C] -Cc: list +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page +Subject: RE: boottocl Actually compiling stuff is extremely fast ;-) -- compared to 1991 or so -on a sun sparc ipc with 8 or 32 MBytes of memory. There were some=20 +on a sun sparc ipc with 8 or 32 MBytes of memory. There were some functions (not files) which took hours to compile. And in the meantime not only the hardware has evolved, but some data structures in the SPAD -compiler=20 +compiler changed from alists to hashes. Besides -- compile times on gcl are longer than on other lisp platforms, @@ -1522,55 +886,21 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 -> On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis -> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:38 AM -> To: Bill Page -> Cc: list -> Subject: Re: boottocl ->=20 > Based on what Tim said, I don't think I'm going to gain much from -> elimintating "old" boot at the moment. The build time, as I=20 +> elimintating "old" boot at the moment. The build time, as I > see it, is > dominated by building the algebras. And each algebra file seems to me > to take forever to compile. Making compilation faster is going to > speed up the built process. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNFO-0007VB-P4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:50:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNFM-0007UN-FG - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:50:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNFJ-0007U4-IN - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:50:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUNFJ-0007U1-AZ - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:50:09 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUNLI-00021t-4j - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:56:20 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k92CnjcV004136; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:49:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page + +\start +Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:49:43 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: boottocl -Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:49:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list > | On September 30, 2006 10:36 PM Gaby wrote: > | > ... @@ -1579,7 +909,7 @@ Cc: list > | > currently is -- not how it could theoretically be. > | > > | -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | If you were planning to change anything significant in Boot > | I would suggest that you plan on *first* modifying the build > | so that the bootsys step with the old compiler is not longer @@ -1657,40 +987,11 @@ part of the SPAD compiler. It would seem to me that eliminating it would be much more difficult and probably the reason why the introduction of Shoe was never completed. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNLd-0001en-J6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:56:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNLb-0001de-V8 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:56:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNLZ-0001d0-Vy - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:56:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUNLZ-0001cv-Rj - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:56:37 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUNRY-0002ne-FK - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:02:48 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k92Cu9E4007570; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:56:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:55:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Ben, @@ -1712,12 +1013,6 @@ Thanks. Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] -> Sent: October 1, 2006 2:17 PM -> To: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' -> Cc: 'axiom-dev'; 'Gabriel Dos Reis'; 'Bill Page' -> Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -> > > Earlier I wrote: > @@ -1750,57 +1045,22 @@ Bill Page. > And it's the same size. Great! > > Now, how do I use this at Google Code? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNfR-0004Kd-Ns - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:17:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNfP-0004KM-KB - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:17:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUNfO-0004KA-82 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:17:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUNfO-0004K7-0H - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:17:06 -0400 -Received: from [134.93.178.131] (helo=mailgate01.zdv.uni-mainz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUNlM-0004Vr-3r - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:23:17 -0400 -Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.49]) - by mailgate01.zdv.uni-mainz.de with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2006 15:17:03 +0200 -Received: from EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE ([134.93.177.33]) by - exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:17:03 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Boot Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:17:01 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Boot -Thread-Index: Acbl72VYV4jQ9qIURb2IdArI83E8JQALNPmg -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis - FILETIME=[0CE94370:01C6E625] -Cc: list +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Boot >From looking at the source and some information I got over the years, I think, at some time, there was the idea to get rid of the old SPAD compiler (which contains a parser for boot, spad and the -interpreter language).=20 +interpreter language). Therefore a new shoe boot parser in the boot directory was written, and a new parser for the interpreter (which is in use). The new compiler never -happened and finally aldor (a#) was developed.=20 +happened and finally aldor (a#) was developed. So we have two parsers for boot and two parsers for the interpreter language. @@ -1812,7 +1072,7 @@ About the boot ``language''. We had this discussion before: it really is not a new language at all, just another syntax for lisp. It has really neat features for destructuring and pattern matching. I would assume -that=20 +that anyone who knows lisp get hold of the syntax in an hour or two. Bill Page and I argued in favor of boot for the time being, Tim Daly in rewriting @@ -1831,110 +1091,78 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:50 AM > To: CY > Cc: list > Subject: Re: Boot ->=20 +> > Cliff Yapp writes: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 -> | > you'll notice that the makefile in the src/boot directory=20 +> +> | > you'll notice that the makefile in the src/boot directory > explicitly -> | > translates using the BOOTSYS image which contains the=20 +> | > translates using the BOOTSYS image which contains the > 'shoe' parser. -> | > the makefile in the src/interp directory explicitly=20 +> | > the makefile in the src/interp directory explicitly > translates using > | > the DEPSYS image which only contains interpreted lisp files from > | > the interp directory and is NOT the same as the boot/shoe version. -> |=20 +> | > | Scary. ->=20 +> > :-) ->=20 +> > | > rather than referring to them both as boot perhaps we should call -> | > the one in the src/boot directory 'shoe', following=20 +> | > the one in the src/boot directory 'shoe', following > bill's convention. -> |=20 -> | I suppose I should know better than to ask, but since the=20 -> eventual goal is to=20 -> | move the interp to Lisp anyway would a viable alternative=20 -> be to "decode via=20 -> | rewrite?"=20 ->=20 -> The more I read the interpreter code, the more I become=20 -> convinced that=20 +> | +> | I suppose I should know better than to ask, but since the +> eventual goal is to +> | move the interp to Lisp anyway would a viable alternative +> be to "decode via +> | rewrite?" +> +> The more I read the interpreter code, the more I become +> convinced that > Boot should stay. It simplifies many lots of logic; the benefits of > removing it does not seem to me to outweight the cost and the result. ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 -> | =20 -> For example=20 -> | (and this might be crazy, it's just a thought) wouldn't it=20 -> be possible to use=20 -> | packages and the use/import/shadow concepts to handle some=20 -> issues related to=20 -> | things like subdomains?=20 ->=20 +> +> | +> For example +> | (and this might be crazy, it's just a thought) wouldn't it +> be possible to use +> | packages and the use/import/shadow concepts to handle some +> issues related to +> | things like subdomains? +> > Funny you should mention that. I was starring at the i-*.boot files > and was wondering why on the earth all knowledge had to be "hardcoded" > into the interpret instead of being abstracted into a library... ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 -> | Eeek. Shouldn't we be specifying what the language SHOULD=20 -> be, and then=20 +> +> | Eeek. Shouldn't we be specifying what the language SHOULD +> be, and then > | re-merging the code into the new framework? ->=20 +> > yes, but we need data, i.e. what we want the language to achieve; for > the moment, the existing code provide such data. I suspect now, we > know what we would like to improve, what did not work, and what is > simply broken idea. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUORX-0002cK-8m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:06:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUORV-0002bg-AA - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:06:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUORT-0002bU-Oz - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:06:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUORT-0002bR-KZ - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:06:47 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.62] (helo=mail242.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUOXT-0000d6-7y - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:12:59 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail242.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k92E6KBF012615; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:06:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" Juergen Weiss -Subject: RE: Boot + +\start Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:06:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: RE: Boot On October 2, 2006 9:17 AM Juergen Weiss wrote: > ... @@ -2006,54 +1234,13 @@ open source is not organized on democratic principles as such. It would be really nice if we could get consensus to proceed in this manner. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUOac-00063X-I6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:16:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUOaa-0005zX-FS - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:16:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUOaY-0005vM-Ri - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:16:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUOaY-0005vC-Ma - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:16:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUOgY-0001Ck-7V - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:22:22 -0400 -Received: from zps37.corp.google.com (zps37.corp.google.com [172.25.146.37]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k92EG4mX010711 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:16:04 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=PwsYgCQe2OVLW2aI2KIKPHrp996Ux+S3X3dowhc3TuhK8QPw1qcSDBSkPaXqhhqfR - gJFLKBwQCb3oU7uWXjtwg== -Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ugez36.prod.google.com [10.66.177.36]) - by zps37.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k92EFv0B000842 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:15:58 -0700 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z36so529695uge - for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.148.8 with SMTP id v8mr3521777hud; - Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:15:56 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: svn failures -On 10/2/06, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 10/2/06, Tim Daly wrote: > svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/magnus/!svn/vcc/default' > svr: REPORT of '/svnroot/magnus/!svn/vcc/default': Could not read response body: Secure connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net) @@ -2061,41 +1248,11 @@ On 10/2/06, root Tim Daly wrote: Something is very messed up with sourceforge's svn server. Report this to sourceforge! It's not normal at all. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUOsF-0006a7-OA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:34:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUOsC-0006ZM-Gn - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:34:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUOsB-0006ZA-0i - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:34:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUOsA-0006Z7-QF - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:34:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUOyA-0002le-R7 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:40:35 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92EY2UI027848 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:34:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3791 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 14:34:04 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.136]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Juergen Weiss; 2 Oct 2006 14:34:04 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k92EP5T32604; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:25:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:25:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Boot -Cc: list > It sounds almost like we should take a "vote" :-), although > open source is not organized on democratic principles as such. @@ -2125,51 +1282,12 @@ open source is a meritocracy, not a democracy. everybody has all the code. may the best work win. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUP4N-0003zc-9l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:46:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUP4L-0003y7-5r - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:46:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUP4K-0003xt-K2 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:46:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUP4K-0003xq-F7 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:46:56 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPAK-00045D-Fg - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:53:08 -0400 -Received: from zps35.corp.google.com (zps35.corp.google.com [172.25.146.35]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k92EkqAi008214 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:46:52 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=C5/NwADxCOmIY4km2k7u82o2PNRG/EUj0ryQA5OUrJkgQ5UK4h2Ed1xv2ThXGurD3 - PUltIKnamHjkYuwBqKCPg== -Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nfao60.prod.google.com [10.48.66.60]) - by zps35.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k92EkkHB019063 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:46:51 -0700 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o60so1563398nfa - for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:46:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr3517121hub; - Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:46:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:46:50 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <03ce01c6e585$c1c48250$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 10/1/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -2193,48 +1311,12 @@ initially populating your googlecode repository. Btw, I've just reset your repository back to revision 0. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUP6I-0005bD-Bg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:48:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUP6G-0005am-NO - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:48:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUP6F-0005aT-JY - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:48:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUP6F-0005aK-CL - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:48:55 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPCF-0004ER-65 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:55:07 -0400 -Received: from zps36.corp.google.com (zps36.corp.google.com [172.25.146.36]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k92Emp5W001053 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:48:51 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=sILlAqkr0fPU3741XzcMzLQsfVBzX8ZGwL5ZrKCXg/Ew/5tyeYU/be2vYITyGImnk - 4v/QEoT6zNga1DsjhKsZA== -Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ugfj3.prod.google.com [10.66.186.3]) - by zps36.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k92EmPwU007091 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:48:45 -0700 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so493018ugf - for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:48:44 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.151.15 with SMTP id y15mr3534590hud; - Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:48:44 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:48:44 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <041a01c6e622$27cd99a0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 10/2/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -2254,41 +1336,11 @@ control system. In those sorts of systems, N repositories can be connected in a random graph, and can safely push/pull changesets with each other and keep track of the mess. :-) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPHn-0002u6-Vk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:00:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPHm-0002tt-Pj - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:00:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPHl-0002st-0v - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:00:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPHk-0002sj-Um - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:00:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPNl-0005LH-4B - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:07:01 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92F0O7N001585 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:00:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6011 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 15:00:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.136]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Juergen Weiss; 2 Oct 2006 15:00:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k92EpRS32619; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:51:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:51:27 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Boot -Cc: list > > A total rewrite in lisp with defstruct et al. of the whole system > > is too ambitious for the number of people contributing. Besides, @@ -2333,43 +1385,11 @@ and as for wishing... you don't need to wish. if you rewrite the interpreter in boot and it is better than the lisp version it will be adopted. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPK4-0004FQ-Gj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:03:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPK3-0004FF-Us - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:03:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPK0-0004CJ-E0 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:03:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPK0-0004CC-BW - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:03:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPQ0-0005fM-Hn - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:09:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3424F465; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:02:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92F09iM021323; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:00:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92F09Fe021322; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:00:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:00:08 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: boottocl "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: @@ -2385,44 +1405,13 @@ generation code -- instead call the GCC middle-end directly on trees produced by GCL. That project is a priority, but there is a strong competition for the top of the TODO-stack... --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPMp-0005HA-HJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:06:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPMn-0005H5-Kl - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:06:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPMl-0005Gt-3w - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:06:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPMk-0005Gq-VM - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:05:58 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPSl-00064w-7i - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:12:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AC041097; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:05:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92F2xft021327; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:03:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92F2xoM021326; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:02:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:02:59 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: boottocl -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -2444,42 +1433,11 @@ think it sends us back to less high-level code. I would prefer to eliminate "old" boot; but that is not something I have a plan for in the immediate future. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPV6-0001rH-Lp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:14:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPV5-0001qW-10 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:14:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPV3-0001q3-Tk - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:14:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPV3-0001pw-MO - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:14:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPb4-000758-2B - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:20:46 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2F640E8F; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:14:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92FBY3H021534; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:11:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92FBYme021533; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:11:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: Re: Boot -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:11:34 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: Boot "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: @@ -2503,45 +1461,13 @@ I believe a rewrite into lisp a real backward step. language that has support fro pattern matching. But, I don't see that happening tomorrow. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPYG-0002i3-OE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:17:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPYF-0002gr-1q - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:17:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPYD-0002gF-Pm - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:17:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPYD-0002gC-Nw - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:17:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPeE-0007Vm-1P - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:24:02 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BD340F70; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:17:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92FEo9Z021538; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:14:52 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92FEoZJ021537; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:14:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:14:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Boot - <200610021425.k92EP5T32604@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:14:50 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -2551,43 +1477,10 @@ I have students who will be working on the Boot code and the interpreter. I suspect part of their work will be to a documentation of Boot. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPZn-0003C6-Dz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:19:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPZl-0003BI-8T - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:19:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPZj-0003Ab-Lk - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:19:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPZj-0003AX-BG - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:19:23 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPfj-0007do-O2 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:25:35 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92FJA5c001122 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:19:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail 24717 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 15:19:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.136]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 2 Oct 2006 15:19:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k92FAEU32640; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:10:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:10:14 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: sussman@google.com - (sussman@google.com) - <944683b40610020715n301db747m6b7506998445a23b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, users@subversion.tigris.org +From: Tim Daly +To: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: Re: svn failures > > svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/magnus/!svn/vcc/default' @@ -2632,45 +1525,13 @@ Perhaps I'm using SVN in some stupid way and don't know all of the special switches. But really, how hard is this? Checkout, change, commit. That's all I ever do. It should 'just work'. -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPlt-0004Tz-6j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:31:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPlr-0004Ti-Jt - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:31:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPlp-0004TW-8l - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:31:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPlp-0004TT-3r - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:31:53 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPrp-0000kd-HG - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:38:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9A241095; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:31:50 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92FSsuc021829; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:28:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92FSrZt021828; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:28:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:28:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Boot - <200610021451.k92EpRS32619@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 17:28:53 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > > A total rewrite in lisp with defstruct et al. of the whole system | > > is too ambitious for the number of people contributing. Besides, @@ -2714,62 +1575,33 @@ I'm very happy to write a very little tiny amount of code in Lisp, and write the rest in Boot that brings other niceties and sugar. Yes, sugar is important. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPnj-0005PK-4l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:33:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPnh-0005Nv-J7 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:33:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPng-0005MV-6G - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:33:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPnf-0005MH-Sj - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:33:47 -0400 -Received: from [134.93.178.132] (helo=mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPtg-0000to-Bf - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:40:00 -0400 -Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.49]) - by mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2006 17:33:46 +0200 -Received: from EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE ([134.93.177.33]) by - exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:33:46 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Boot Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:33:45 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Boot -Thread-Index: AcbmLAC3UGDvdAhcTYqzeXImJVMOZwABZ03w -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - FILETIME=[26B263A0:01C6E638] -Cc: list +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Boot > -----Original Message----- -> From: Bill Page=20 +> From: Bill Page > So we can eliminate Shoe and also the old interpreter parser, > and everything will still work properly, right? not quite. The old parser is used by the SPAD compiler, can be used as BOOT parser and as the interpreter -parser. So in principle we could drop the new parser and=20 -the boot directory. There are some (minor ?) problems with=20 -that: the old parser does not understand rule syntax (used=20 -by the interpreter). When some day the SPAD compiler would be=20 +parser. So in principle we could drop the new parser and +the boot directory. There are some (minor ?) problems with +that: the old parser does not understand rule syntax (used +by the interpreter). When some day the SPAD compiler would be replaced by Aldor, the need for the old parser would be diminished. >From memory I would say, that the old parser does not keep the original input - so error messages especially in the SPAD compiler -show the failing expression in internal lisp syntax - not very=20 +show the failing expression in internal lisp syntax - not very user friendly. Then there is the question of style: The old parser is build around the grammar file fnewmeta with special syntax handled by functions in parse.boot and postpar.boot. -the new parser in cparse.boot (?) and support functions=20 +the new parser in cparse.boot (?) and support functions in some other files are written in different style (recursive descent ?). @@ -2778,59 +1610,13 @@ other side, without a clear direction of development, with the uncertainty if Aldor will be available freely, I find it difficult to suggest, which parser to drop. -Regards - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPqr-0006TR-Am - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPqp-0006Sw-Vb - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPqp-0006Si-Lf - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPqp-0006Sa-B7 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:03 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPwp-0001Tc-M7 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:43:15 -0400 -Received: from zps78.corp.google.com (zps78.corp.google.com [172.25.146.78]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k92Faw3r031385 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:36:58 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=RH8H3mw/3AaIlfTAA8hFhFIPXRqgoDtGE3pWxdfd8uMW3PmOQfBQjgskoEaplCaYv - 5czm2pRBVPR3NPWIvtJ2g== -Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (huc23.prod.google.com [10.78.3.23]) - by zps78.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k92FaJQ8007451 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:36:51 -0700 -Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 23so753669huc - for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:36:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr1432665hud; - Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:36:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:36:51 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Tim Daly - <944683b40610020715n301db747m6b7506998445a23b@mail.gmail.com> - <200610021510.k92FAEU32640@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: svn failures -On 10/2/06, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 10/2/06, Tim Daly wrote: > > > svn: REPORT request failed on '/svnroot/magnus/!svn/vcc/default' > > > svr: REPORT of '/svnroot/magnus/!svn/vcc/default': Could not read response body: Secure connection truncated (https://svn.sourceforge.net) > > @@ -2906,43 +1692,11 @@ I shouldn't be intruding on your discussions, so I'll bow out. Good luck to you guys! Tim, if you want to discuss theory/design or just troubleshoot stuff, I invite you to join users@subversion.tigris.org. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQS7-0004Gr-HO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:15:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQS5-0004GH-PY - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:15:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQS2-0004Fd-BS - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:15:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQS2-0004Fa-3D - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:15:30 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUQY3-0005ZK-2x - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:21:43 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92GFDJ9009833 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:15:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 8586 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 16:15:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.136]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 2 Oct 2006 16:15:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k92G6GN32698; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:06:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:06:16 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 02 Oct 2006 17:28:53 +0200) Subject: Re: Boot - <200610021451.k92EpRS32619@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | lisp is the implementation language of the interpreter and has been > | since the early 70s timeframe. coding it in lisp is not a departure. @@ -2979,32 +1733,10 @@ structure you'll clearly 'win' the makefile 'debate'. i stand to lose a lot (since i invented and implemented the makefile scheme) but (provided you document it) i'm willing to follow your lead. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQV7-0005j4-JP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:18:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQV6-0005iH-Fi - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:18:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQV4-0005hE-Hy - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:18:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQV4-0005h5-6w - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:18:38 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUQb4-0005vR-M6 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:24:51 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GUQUk-0003kz-00 - for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:18:18 +0200 -To: list Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:18:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: skipping boot directory There was some talk recently that boot directory is not needed. Since @@ -3483,51 +2215,13 @@ diff -ru pp/build-improvements/src/interp/varini.boot.pamphlet build-improvement AC_SUBST(SRC_SUBDIRS) @ - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQhw-0002YN-Dc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:31:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQhu-0002YI-54 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:31:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQhr-0002Y3-Nq - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:31:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQhr-0002Xw-Gy - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:31:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUQns-0007Zd-Ij - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:38:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A594F42A; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:31:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92GSqfR023379; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:28:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92GSqFs023378; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:28:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 02 Oct 2006 18:28:51 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Boot - <200610021451.k92EpRS32619@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610021606.k92G6GN32698@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 18:28:51 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -3569,38 +2263,11 @@ removing Boot. I'm not rewriting just because I want to rewrite. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQxT-0004Rf-Jh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:47:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQxS-0004RW-FU - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:47:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUQxM-0004QB-72 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:47:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUQxM-0004Q1-0W - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:47:52 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.34] (helo=eastrmmtao05.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUR3C-0000Ud-On - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:53:56 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20061002164720.GALZ7951.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:47:20 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id VUnB1V00F3wCxUe0000000 - Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:47:11 -0400 +Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:46:14 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: Boot -Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:46:14 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" On Monday 02 October 2006 11:33, Weiss, Juergen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- @@ -3623,40 +2290,12 @@ running out of the boot dir at one point with what I think were fairly minor changes, and I think the only reason I stopped working on it was that bookvol5 made asdf choke. Perhaps it would be worth looking at it again. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUR9j-0002MI-Gm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:00:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUR9h-0002Ih-FA - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:00:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUR9f-0002Fs-Qv - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:00:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUR9f-0002Fo-LH - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:00:35 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURFg-0001kk-Fe - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:06:48 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-51.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.51]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k92H0VSt019737 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:00:32 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 470761A9B4; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:02:11 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 12:02:11 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: debugsys - -Tim, - this patchlet fixes a couple of misplaced parenthesis in interp/debugsys that are causing unwarranted messages. @@ -3697,45 +2336,11 @@ Applied to build-improvements; queued for silver. (trace load) #+:GCL - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURMt-0000Wp-Eu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:14:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURMs-0000Wj-Kb - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:14:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURMr-0000WS-RY - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:14:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURMr-0000WP-Oh - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:14:13 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURSt-0004jr-6D - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:20:27 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92HE8wk013459 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:14:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28382 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 17:14:08 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.136]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 2 Oct 2006 17:14:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k92H50P32741; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:05:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:05:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 02 Oct 2006 18:28:51 +0200) Subject: Re: Boot - <200610021451.k92EpRS32619@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610021606.k92G6GN32698@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | the new ASDF facility will make makefiles into one-liners. > @@ -3838,90 +2443,23 @@ Make it into a real, documented, standalone language or kill it. I have no plans to work to make it real, documented, or standalone. I'll leave that for someone else. -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURPl-0001nv-60 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:17:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURPk-0001nj-32 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:17:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURPi-0001nW-7e - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:17:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURPi-0001nT-2R - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:17:10 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURVj-00053p-Kn - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:23:23 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92HH5rc015162 - for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:17:05 -0400 -Received: (qmail 2827 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 17:17:05 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.136]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 2 Oct 2006 17:17:05 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k92H7vx32747; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:07:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:07:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Reis on 02 Oct 2006 12:02:11 -0500) Subject: Re: debugsys -Cc: list >From Gold CHANGELOG: 20060904 tpd src/interp/debugsys.lisp fix paren balance - already fixed. but thanks for the patch. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURUP-0006nT-Lm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:22:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURUN-0006kK-Ep - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:21:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURUJ-0006fD-Qp - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:21:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURUJ-0006ei-BP - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:21:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURaJ-0005e5-JG - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:28:07 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C205940F53; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:21:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92HIs9a025078; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:18:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92HIsEA025077; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:18:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:18:54 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: boottocl "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: @@ -3934,49 +2472,13 @@ Cc: list Ouch. Still, Axiom should not be that slow to compile :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURfh-0003yS-EY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURfg-0003xx-4U - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURfe-0003xH-9W - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURfe-0003xC-4n - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURlf-0007FI-OJ - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:39:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55A94F3BF; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:33:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92HUcIQ025295; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:30:40 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92HUcA1025294; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:30:38 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:30:38 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Boot - <200610021451.k92EpRS32619@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610021606.k92G6GN32698@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610021705.k92H50P32741@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:30:38 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -4037,45 +2539,13 @@ but, wait for a week or so :-) I believe we all agree that noone wants an undocumented language that runs forever. This holds for Boot, SPAD, etc. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURgb-0004L6-80 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:34:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURgZ-0004Jt-KT - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:34:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURgX-0004Jb-R4 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:34:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURgX-0004JW-Kp - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:34:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURmZ-0007Ll-9F - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:40:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7695341062; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:34:31 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92HVYc7025313; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:31:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92HVYkn025312; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:31:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:31:34 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: debugsys - <200610021707.k92H7vx32747@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:31:34 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | >From Gold CHANGELOG: | @@ -4083,44 +2553,13 @@ root Tim Daly writes: Aha, I missed that one. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURhb-0004q2-PV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:35:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURha-0004nf-2r - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:35:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURhT-0004jB-Sw - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:35:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURhS-0004iY-NL - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:35:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURnU-0007Rz-BI - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:41:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 595D26AADD; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:35:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 976F86AAE1; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:35:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Boot Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:35:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Boot -Thread-Index: AcbmM44N0pPZU02hRw2xZ28OhIE3QgAFL5Ug From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Boot -Jugen Weiss wrote:=20 +Jugen Weiss wrote: > > > A total rewrite in lisp with defstruct et al. of the whole system > > > is too ambitious for the number of people contributing. Besides, > > > for a total rewrite one should consider other alternatives as @@ -4141,7 +2580,7 @@ as open source. It is about Aldor that I claim is "controlled by peole with a different agenda". ->...=20 +>... > you'll discover that you can't rewrite portions of the > interpreter in either boot or python because they can't do > the source-to-source transformations like defmacro and @@ -4151,43 +2590,21 @@ different agenda". Actually that's not true. Python is used in the Sage interpreter to do just that. ->=20 +> > and as for wishing... you don't need to wish. if you > rewrite the interpreter in boot and it is better than the > lisp version it will be adopted. ->=20 +> If Aldor would be released as open source, I think this might be worth the effort. But not using Boot. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURkN-0005sg-Pt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:38:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURkM-0005q7-7L - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:38:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURkK-0005nQ-NI - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:38:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURkK-0005nI-Df - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:38:28 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GURqL-0007lZ-TB - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:44:42 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GURjz-0007oX-00; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:38:07 +0200 -Subject: Re: build improvements results -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:38:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build improvements results +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Ralf, the reason the command line was slipt is that everyong on @@ -4247,45 +2664,11 @@ The following patch works for me (first one needs to run 'build-setup.sh'): $(OUT): - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURvZ-000615-39 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:50:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURvW-00060h-Ur - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:50:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GURvW-00060U-8V - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:50:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GURvW-00060N-40 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:50:02 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUS1X-0000T6-SS - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:56:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD994F3CE; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:49:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k92Hl2kH025846; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:47:05 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k92Hl21U025845; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:47:02 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:47:02 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build improvements results -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:47:02 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4302,42 +2685,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: You have a "go" to commit it. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUS45-00011g-LM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:58:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPrY-0006cv-Dc - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUPrX-0006cc-Nu - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUPrX-0006cZ-Ig - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:37:47 -0400 -Received: from [80.67.18.43] (helo=smtprelay05.ispgateway.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUPxX-0001Wa-TP - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:44:00 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16591 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 15:37:40 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.4]) (560487@[67.9.127.101]) - (envelope-sender ) - by smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted - SMTP for ; 2 Oct 2006 15:37:40 -0000 - <944683b40610020715n301db747m6b7506998445a23b@mail.gmail.com> - <200610021510.k92FAEU32640@localhost.localdomain> -From: Ryan Schmidt Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:37:30 -0500 +From: Ryan Schmidt To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, Subversion List Subject: Re: svn failures - On Oct 2, 2006, at 10:10, root wrote: > storage errors are usually temporary but SVN does not recover well at @@ -4363,49 +2716,18 @@ In the case you are experiencing, "svn cleanup" is presumably not relevant, despite what Subversion suggests, which is why running it has no discernible effect. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUSHf-0005Q1-QA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:12:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUSHd-0005Oz-Ps - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:12:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUSHc-0005Of-Gb - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:12:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUSHc-0005OW-6c - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:12:52 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUSNe-00031R-9j - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:19:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3C5646B348; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:12:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A26416B3A5; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:12:16 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: boottocl Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:11:24 -0400 -Thread-Topic: boottocl -Thread-Index: AcbmNFDxw2LS6avORb+YrZ8T2DEb2AAGTSUg From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: RE: boottocl On Monday, October 02, 2006 11:03 AM Gaby wrote: ->=20 -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: -> ...=20 +> +> Bill Page writes: +> ... > | I would still argue that [to remove Shoe" is a good idea. ->=20 +> > I'm very skeptical that removing "shoe" is a good idea. I wouold > think it sends us back to less high-level code. > @@ -4414,58 +2736,19 @@ Yes, perhaps. But my first look at the two versions of boot does not allow me to clearly distinquish that "Shoe" is higher- level code. In terms of understandability I think I prefer the old source code. -=20 + > I would prefer to eliminate "old" boot; but that is not something > I have a plan for in the immediate future. ->=20 +> Understood. In any case, you have my vote should you decide on one or the other (but not both). :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUST2-0004gv-I5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:24:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUST0-0004gZ-UT - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:24:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUST0-0004gN-5j - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:24:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUST0-0004gK-1b - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:24:38 -0400 -Received: from [69.36.241.242] (helo=moya.mcelrath.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUSZ2-0003wH-2h - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:30:52 -0400 -Received: from moya.mcelrath.org (mcelrath@localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id - k92IOWtb002975 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:24:32 -0700 -Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) - by moya.mcelrath.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id k92IOVGQ002972; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:24:31 -0700 - Bob McElrath using -f Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:24:31 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: re: plone - Ralf Hemmecke, list - - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lkTb+7nhmha7W+c3" - clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list - - ---lkTb+7nhmha7W+c3 Page, Bill [Bill Page] wrote: > > The reason, I am asking is that we currently run Twiki at RISC, @@ -4578,50 +2861,12 @@ to stick to the textarea like every wiki in existance. Nor do we have to be M$ Word! We can do anything! What would your ideal wiki editor do? --- -Cheers, -Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics] - - A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. - - Dwight Eisenhower - ---lkTb+7nhmha7W+c3 - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQFFIVlfjwioWRGe9K0RAspkAKDQvItj6DHvWgnH0ccvWgNK6ta3egCeL6AG -KhyvDBeU5/dP/roDyBSYuPQ= -=Wsmt ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---lkTb+7nhmha7W+c3-- - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUSsN-0002LX-4r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:50:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUSsL-0002LB-Qf - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:50:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUSsK-0002Kz-Da - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:50:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUSsK-0002Kw-Bx - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:50:48 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUSyM-0006mv-Jn - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:57:02 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GUSrw-0003QL-00; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:50:24 +0200 -Subject: Re: build improvements results -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:50:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build improvements results +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4644,54 +2889,21 @@ Hmm, IIUC since ATM I not a Sourceforge project member I can not write to the repository. I have just created a Sourceforge account (whebisch), but I think that I can not commit before sombody adds me to the project. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUTUz-0004Fq-To - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:30:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUTUy-0004FE-6u - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:30:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUTUu-0004D2-ND - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:30:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUTUu-0004Cr-Fa - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:30:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUTax-0001Zp-6n - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:36:55 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A3B8668C1D; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BA9FE68BDD; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:30:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: build improvements results +\start Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:30:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: build improvements results -Thread-Index: AcbmU7hZXHjjaM2oTauaWGEaRAmAbgABCAew From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build improvements results Waldek, On Monday, October 02, 2006 2:50 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Hmm, IIUC since ATM I not a Sourceforge project member I can > not write to the repository. I have just created a Sourceforge > account (whebisch), but I think that I can not commit before > somebody adds me to the project. ->=20 +> I have added you as an Axiom developer on SourceForge with write access to the CVS and SVN. @@ -4710,44 +2922,13 @@ interest Gaby in going this route. Thanks for your work on this. -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUUcn-0004R4-9B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:42:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUUcl-0004Qj-Oz - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:42:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUUcj-0004Pf-Qr - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:42:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUUcj-0004PY-Md - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:42:49 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUTwR-0003hZ-D0 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:59:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B58AE68DE1; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:52:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2D01F68DF6; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:52:37 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Sage on Doyen -Thread-Index: AcbgRNKvY25U0uG9TnaEmqjAy11KEQGFg/GA From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: RE: Sage on Doyen -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, Have you had a chance to work on adding Sage support to the DoyenCD? @@ -4769,27 +2950,27 @@ Regards, Bill Page. On Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:49 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > I have finally updated the MathAction darcs repository > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/MathActionRepository to > > include the changes I made to MathAction to support Sage > > \begin{sageblock} and \sage{...} commands. ->=20 +> > Thanks. ->=20 +> > > Do you have some time available to add this to the DoyenCD? ->=20 +> > Tomorrow, I can spend time working on this. ->=20 +> > > You should use: > > > > darcs pull http://page.axiom-developer.org/repository/latexwiki > > > > to get these updates for Sage support. As usual, take care to > > modify the paths in the code appropriately for Doyen. ->=20 +> > 10-4. :-) ->=20 +> > > I would like to be able to distribute the DoyenCD with Doyen > > Wiki support for Sage at the upcoming Sage Days 2 in Seattle, > > October 6-10. I will be attending the meeting and especially @@ -4800,57 +2981,24 @@ On Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:49 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > > > > http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/days2 > > http://sage-wiki.axiom-developer.org/days2 ->=20 +> > Sounds great. I plan to talk to my advisor tomorrow and hopefully > I can go the Sage days. :-) ->=20 +> > > If you could put up a version of Doyen with Sage support on the > > web, I would also like to add a few pages to the wiki that > > demonstrate how to use Sage (derived from those on MathAction) > > so that they can be included on the DoyenCD. ->=20 +> > http://doyen.sytes.net . I will let you know when I update this > with your version on MathAction. ->=20 -> Regards, ->=20 -> Alfredo ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUV4H-0004ot-51 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:11:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUV4E-0004l8-3S - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:11:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUV4D-0004kg-9n - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:11:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUV4C-0004kL-TV - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:11:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUVAG-0005jw-Ea - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:17:28 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1BA37689E9; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:11:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BD57A6911D; - Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:11:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request + +\start Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:11:11 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbmMaOeIK6oSnM7RxqkZzgtGx/3HAANRDlg From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -4858,7 +3006,7 @@ I response to: $ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn file:///home/page/axiom-sf -$ svnsync --non-interactive sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn=20 +$ svnsync --non-interactive sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn After about an hour of processing I obtained the message: @@ -4877,61 +3025,41 @@ Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@google.com]=20 +> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:Ben Collins-Sussman] > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:47 AM > To: Bill Page > Cc: axiom-dev; Gabriel Dos Reis > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request ->=20 +> > On 10/1/06, Bill Page wrote: ->=20 +> > > Now, how do I use this at Google Code? > > ->=20 +> > svnsync can replicate any repository to any other, over any network > protocol. So you'd do something like: ->=20 +> > # reset google repos to r0 > # initialize google repos: -> $ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn=20 +> $ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn > file:///the/original/svn/repos > # push the local repos history up to the remote repos > $ svnsync --non-interactive sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn ->=20 +> > Note: you can use svnsync to 'push' commits at googlecode, but at the > moment you can't use it to 'pull' commits down from googlecode, > because we've not yet upgraded googlecode to svn 1.4. (Though we're > actively working on it.) But the method above is a way of at least > initially populating your googlecode repository. ->=20 +> > Btw, I've just reset your repository back to revision 0. ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUVei-0000tg-0U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:48:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUVeg-0000st-B0 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:48:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUVed-0000sG-1P - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:48:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUVec-0000sD-SS - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:48:50 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUVkg-0000gf-SC - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:55:07 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GUVeE-0002IJ-00; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:48:26 +0200 -Subject: Re: build improvements results -To: Gabriel Dos Reis + +\start Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:48:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build improvements results +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -4952,35 +3080,12 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch I tested version 165, version 167 introduced similar problem in boot Makefile, so I commited changes to both makefiles. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUWKU-0004b1-Dc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:32:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUWKS-0004aR-3t - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:32:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUWKR-0004aF-Kh - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:32:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUWKR-0004aC-GW - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:32:03 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUWQW-00043x-06 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:38:20 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GUWK6-0004pY-00; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:31:42 +0200 -Subject: Re: build improvements results -To: Bill Page +\start Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:31:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build improvements results +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Bill Page wrote: > For experiments of the type you described in a previous message of @@ -4997,46 +3102,12 @@ cosmetic ways. IMHO it would fit best into build-improvements, but I leave it for Gaby to decide (of course I will not push such change without his approval). - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYj8-00011L-TJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:05:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYj6-000113-Pk - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:05:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYj4-00010Y-98 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:05:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUYj4-00010V-3t - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:05:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUYpA-0005FQ-2X - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:11:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71C840F6A; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:05:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9312aDn001682; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:02:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9312af7001681; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:02:36 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 03 Oct 2006 03:02:36 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: build improvements results -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Oct 2006 03:02:36 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Bill Page writes: @@ -5076,42 +3147,11 @@ disturbance to better integration of src/boot to src/interp. Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYkE-0002Sr-3c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:06:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYkC-0002Op-1b - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:06:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYk9-0002HV-9r - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:06:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUYk8-0002H5-Vl - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:06:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUYqE-0005Na-VR - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:13:03 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B4B4F3C3; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:06:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9313iNM001686; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:03:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9313i0n001685; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:03:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Oct 2006 03:03:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build improvements results -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Oct 2006 03:03:44 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5139,42 +3179,11 @@ Great! Could you add a short description of the change in lsp/Change.build-improvements? Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYnQ-0008NI-M3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:10:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYnP-0008Lf-5x - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:10:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUYnO-0008LT-Po - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:10:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUYnO-0008LQ-KY - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:10:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUYtU-0005qs-O1 - for list; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:16:24 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656DD4F3C0; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:10:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k93176Pl001780; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:07:08 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k93176r0001779; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 03:07:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 03 Oct 2006 03:07:06 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: boottocl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 03 Oct 2006 03:07:06 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -5196,57 +3205,26 @@ do this in a way that people don't feel a "political" stance to it. Tim, software and software development is not just technical collection of technical programs; I'm sure you know that :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUeBj-00021M-QI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:55:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUeBf-0001xA-KH - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:55:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUeBd-0001w8-Ix - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:55:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUeBd-0001vw-AM - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:55:29 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUeHm-0001Ic-Ir - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:01:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6449269301; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 02:55:28 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9F5A0692DA; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 02:55:26 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 02:55:31 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Patches for Maxima on DoyenCD -Thread-Index: Acbmj93XUnplySYQSDOpi40Pg0oElwAAQWggAAmb57A= From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: Patches for Maxima on DoyenCD -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, On Monday, October 02, 2006 11:50 PM I wrote: ->=20 -> >=20 +> +> > > > > Also, did you get my email for last week reguarding a > > > problem with Maxima output on the version of DoyenCD at > > > http://doyen.sytes.net ? -> >=20 -> > I do not know what to do about this...should I use another=20 +> > +> > I do not know what to do about this...should I use another > > version of Maxima or should I try to fix the regex that > > controls this? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I took a look at this. I think it is due to a difference between > the Clisp and GCL versions of lisp used to compile Maxima. (Clisp > used on DoyenCD but GCL used on MathAction). In particular the @@ -5258,9 +3236,9 @@ On Monday, October 02, 2006 11:50 PM I wrote: > sequence generated by the Clisp version of Maxima. I can correct > this but I also have to change the regex in ReplaceInlineMaxima > so that it correctly indentifies input and output sections. ->=20 +> > I will send you the modifications later tonight. ->=20 +> Here are the patches: @@ -5297,7 +3275,7 @@ ReplaceInlineMaxima.py_orig +++ ReplaceInlineMaxima.py 2006-10-03 02:05:50.012957500 -0400 @@ -21,8 +21,8 @@ reConsts) - maximaOutPattern =3D re.compile( + maximaOutPattern = re.compile( #r'.*?black\}(.*?)' #1 LaTeX - r'\\mbox{\\tt\\red\(\\\$\\mathrm{\\%(i\d+)}\) \\black}(.*?)|' #1 #2 Input @@ -5314,34 +3292,11 @@ ReplaceInlineMaxima.py_orig Let me know if you have any trouble with these changes. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUep4-0002xh-Oy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:36:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUep3-0002xD-79 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:36:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUep1-0002wx-MX - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:36:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUep1-0002wu-Gx - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:36:11 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUevB-0005ig-6F - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:42:33 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GUeoh-0004jl-00; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:35:51 +0200 -Subject: Re: build improvements results -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:35:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build improvements results Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5357,54 +3312,21 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Done. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUguR-0004SL-MO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:49:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUguQ-0004Qi-DP - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:49:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUguO-0004PG-5w - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:49:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUguO-0004PD-1z - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:49:52 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUh0Z-0003R7-0V - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:56:15 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 096BC6949C; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:49:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 19BAB694AF; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:49:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" +\start Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:49:34 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Patches for Maxima on DoyenCD -Thread-Index: Acbmj93XUnplySYQSDOpi40Pg0oElwAAQWggAAmb57AABfjQgA== From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: RE: Patches for Maxima on DoyenCD Alfredo, On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:56 AM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Here are the patches: ->=20 +> > [root@doyen LatexWiki]# cd ~ > [root@doyen ~]# cd /var/lib/zope/Products/LatexWiki ->=20 +> > The first one is a correction to the Maxima Lisp interface code. > Under GCL these extra \ $ characters are not generated so this > code was none functional. But it is required to correct the weird @@ -5412,7 +3334,7 @@ On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:56 AM I wrote: > ... I think this is a better patch: -=20 + [root@doyen LatexWiki]# diff -au mathaction-maxima-5.9.3.lisp_orig mathaction-maxima-5.9.3.lisp --- mathaction-maxima-5.9.3.lisp_orig 2006-10-03 @@ -5431,55 +3353,21 @@ mathaction-maxima-5.9.3.lisp (l (length name1))) (if (eql l 1) name1 (concatenate 'string "\\mathrm{" name1 "}")))) --------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUhrP-0000ew-3D - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:50:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUhrN-0000eX-AK - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:50:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUhrL-0000e3-Kt - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:50:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUhrL-0000e0-Hu - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:50:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUhxX-0000uV-1N - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:57:11 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 966DF69594; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 06:50:46 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4C70667FB2; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 06:50:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 06:50:24 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Patches for Maxima on DoyenCD -Thread-Index: Acbmj93XUnplySYQSDOpi40Pg0oElwAAQWggAAmb57AABfjQgAACPY7g From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: RE: Patches for Maxima on DoyenCD Alfredo, On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:50 AM I wrote: -...=20 +... > Here are the patches: ->=20 +> > [root@doyen LatexWiki]# cd ~ > [root@doyen ~]# cd /var/lib/zope/Products/LatexWiki ->=20 +> > The first one is a correction to the Maxima Lisp interface code. > ... @@ -5488,7 +3376,7 @@ with the version of Maxima on the DoyenCD an additional test is required to correct this weird behaviour of names in Maxima. So finally, here's a hack that should work on both GCL and Clisp: -=20 + [page@axiom-developer LatexWiki]$ darcs diff *.lisp -u --- old-latexwiki/LatexWiki/mathaction-maxima-5.9.3.lisp 2006-10-03 05:36:41.000000000 -0500 @@ -5511,44 +3399,12 @@ name1)) Please give this a try in Doyen together with the patch in my previous email for 'ReplaceInlineMaxima.py'. -Regards, -Bill Page. -=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqMk-0003zn-Ew - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:55:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqMj-0003ys-4W - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:55:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqMh-0003xT-4q - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:55:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUqMh-0003xQ-0j - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:55:43 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUqSx-0003Sr-Md - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:02:11 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C28D36921A; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:55:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5E64169C17; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +\start Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:55:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbmMaOeIK6oSnM7RxqkZzgtGx/3HAANRDlgAC7lEiA= From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -5606,113 +3462,75 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page] > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:11 PM > To: Ben Collins-Sussman > Cc: axiom-dev; Gabriel Dos Reis; Bill Page > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request ->=20 +> > Ben, ->=20 +> > I response to: ->=20 +> > $ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn > file:///home/page/axiom-sf -> $ svnsync --non-interactive sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn=20 ->=20 +> $ svnsync --non-interactive sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn +> > After about an hour of processing I obtained the message: ->=20 -> svnsync: At least one property change failed; repository is=20 +> +> svnsync: At least one property change failed; repository is > unchanged > Committed revision 1. > Copied properties for revision 1. > Committed revision 2. > Copied properties for revision 2. ->=20 +> > and svnsync stopped. ->=20 +> > Do you have any idea what might have gone wrong? ->=20 +> > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > > -----Original Message----- -> > From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@google.com]=20 +> > From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:Ben Collins-Sussman] > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:47 AM > > To: Bill Page > > Cc: axiom-dev; Gabriel Dos Reis -> > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re:=20 +> > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: > Disk-quota Request -> >=20 +> > > > On 10/1/06, Bill Page wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > > Now, how do I use this at Google Code? > > > -> >=20 +> > > > svnsync can replicate any repository to any other, over any network > > protocol. So you'd do something like: -> >=20 +> > > > # reset google repos to r0 > > # initialize google repos: -> > $ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn=20 +> > $ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn > > file:///the/original/svn/repos > > # push the local repos history up to the remote repos > > $ svnsync --non-interactive sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn -> >=20 -> > Note: you can use svnsync to 'push' commits at googlecode,=20 +> > +> > Note: you can use svnsync to 'push' commits at googlecode, > but at the > > moment you can't use it to 'pull' commits down from googlecode, > > because we've not yet upgraded googlecode to svn 1.4. (Though we're > > actively working on it.) But the method above is a way of at least > > initially populating your googlecode repository. -> >=20 +> > > > Btw, I've just reset your repository back to revision 0. -> >=20 ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqQ3-0007Hh-Jz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:59:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqQ2-0007HT-OG - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:59:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqQ1-0007Fq-Fo - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:59:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUqQ1-0007Fg-Cb - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:59:09 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUqWH-0003ku-MY - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:05:38 -0400 -Received: from spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.141]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k93Jx2vV030224 - for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:59:02 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=gdzaSQcqhWjudV0K7aWWJFY85ARXvesXdFxH7iPrFPaSUq5QiHABhi0mjzELoQM32 - Ayi5jfpev3u9mWupX0AOg== -Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (huc23.prod.google.com [10.78.3.23]) - by spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k93JwBmF032028 - for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:59:01 +0100 -Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 23so1084573huc - for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:59:01 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr4937004hue; - Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:59:01 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:59:01 -0700 (PDT) + +\start Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:59:01 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 10/3/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: @@ -5724,40 +3542,12 @@ don't have permission to change all of the revision-properties on the googlecode repository. You need to be a project owner to set revision-props over the network (like svn:log, svn:author, etc.) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqi0-0002IK-KZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:17:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqhy-0002Ha-Df - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:17:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUqhx-0002Gc-K6 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:17:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUqhx-0002GT-3H - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:17:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUqoE-0005um-8s - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:24:10 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 876EA6AAF3; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:17:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B95FC6AA7C; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:17:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:11:56 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnJm0L8jDUUANqRFC7q5UwMQoDpwAAH0Qg From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -5787,62 +3577,33 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@google.com]=20 +> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:Ben Collins-Sussman] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:59 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: axiom-dev; Gabriel Dos Reis > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request ->=20 +> > On 10/3/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: ->=20 +> > > > svnsync: At least one property change failed; repository is > > > unchanged ->=20 +> > Sorry for not replying sooner. This error message simply means you > don't have permission to change all of the revision-properties on > the googlecode repository. You need to be a project owner to set > revision-props over the network (like svn:log, svn:author, etc.) ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUr4D-0000dq-0k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:40:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUr49-0000cB-Fq - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:40:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUr47-0000ZW-LO - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUr47-0000ZN-GB - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:40:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUrAO-000057-F9 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:47:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3772A6AB1F; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:40:34 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 93F626AAE1; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:40:32 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request + +\start Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:40:26 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnJm0L8jDUUANqRFC7q5UwMQoDpwAAH0QgAAEMN7A= From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Ben,=20 +Ben, On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:12 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > My Google user id is 'synthesis.anikast.ca'. This is the > user id that I am using when I perform the 'svnsynch'. @@ -5874,43 +3635,12 @@ Sooner or later I am bound to get this thing right... Thanks for the tip. I will give this another try. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUrLn-0003jm-T3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:58:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUrLl-0003gm-Q8 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:58:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUrLj-0003el-V9 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:58:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUrLj-0003ea-Q6 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:58:47 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUrS1-00020g-4b - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:05:17 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CF9386AC90; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:58:46 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9D4A96AC51; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:58:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:58:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnJm0L8jDUUANqRFC7q5UwMQoDpwAAH0QgAAEMN7AAAGpXgA== From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -5921,19 +3651,19 @@ but svnsnch did not even bother. I have not idea why it choose Anyway... On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:40 PM I wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > So it seems I must repeat the 'svnsych initialize' command > specifying: ->=20 +> > --username arg > --password arg ->=20 +> > --------- ->=20 +> > Sooner or later I am bound to get this thing right... ->=20 +> > Thanks for the tip. I will give this another try. ->=20 +> Oh, why of course! :(( But why do I feel like "Charlie Brown"? ;)) @@ -5957,48 +3687,12 @@ PS. Surely there is some way to permit users to have more control over their repositories without having to always be bothering the "highly paid staff" ;) - a re-initialize repository button, perhaps? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUuW9-00004y-0x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:21:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUuW7-0008Un-7z - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:21:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUuW5-0008SW-LC - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:21:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUuW5-0008SC-AA - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:21:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUucO-0006Tf-N7 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:28:13 -0400 -Received: from spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.141]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k940LafZ029154 - for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 01:21:36 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=YxbC3uP2C/h6KyaOlfhjhnHsuNVoK2DZyP+GhnPz+vNHM4QPGSZMkJTGXySk5Es/e - t8rcoEl9ciEGodPARxMxg== -Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nfao25.prod.google.com [10.48.66.25]) - by spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k940KSON022921 - for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 01:21:34 +0100 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so316451nfa - for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:21:34 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.178.5 with SMTP id a5mr5206768huf; - Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:21:33 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:21:33 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis svk is a separate client from svn, it only uses the svn network protocol. @@ -6053,52 +3747,23 @@ On 10/3/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: > PS. Surely there is some way to permit users to have more control > over their repositories without having to always be bothering the > "highly paid staff" ;) - a re-initialize repository button, perhaps? -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUumA-00043Y-SK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:38:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUum8-00041y-IT - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:38:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUum4-0003zn-Ol - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:38:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUum4-0003ze-JT - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:38:12 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUusO-0008Hn-6P - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:44:44 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 888996A4F6; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:38:11 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6CBB76A7CE; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:38:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:38:13 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnSxQEZxa0gJz7Rs6xFhNbRPNS3gAAWjvg From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Ben,=20 +Ben, On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:22 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > svn and svnsync are both 'official' svn clients, and thus both > use the cached password in your ~/.subversion/auth/ area. So > that's why your commits are working, no matter which of the two > tools you're using. :-) ->=20 +> ??? But, but ... my commits are not working. :-( @@ -6129,133 +3794,40 @@ Bill Page. > > Arrrrgh! > > > > Could you please, please set this turkey a third time... -> > - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUuqS-0005Qq-Az - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:42:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUuqP-0005Q7-Up - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:42:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUuqN-0005Pb-L9 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:42:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUuqN-0005PQ-Cy - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:42:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUuwg-0000RT-UE - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:49:11 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k940gLaC016875 - for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:42:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 23207 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 00:42:09 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.18.76]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 4 Oct 2006 00:42:09 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k940X2r01277; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:33:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:33:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Cc: sussman@google.com, list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis Bill, I believe that Alfredo uses 'root'. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUux6-0002ZI-TR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:49:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUux4-0002U8-AH - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:49:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUux2-0002Qb-Cf - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:49:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUux2-0002QO-9g - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:49:32 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUv3M-0001In-0v - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:56:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7F89C6AE32; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:49:31 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0D8626AE2E; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:49:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:49:29 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnTgA02g/gU7WfRlexoMX22CjyVwAAJ+xg From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: sussman@google.com, list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:33 PM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 +> > I believe that Alfredo uses 'root'. ->=20 +> No Alfredo Portes uses 'doyenatccny' as his Google account. And he has his own account on axiom-developer.org. I don't see any connection with what I have been trying to do. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUv1O-00074Y-CF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:54:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUv1M-000743-Lv - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:54:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUv1L-00072F-4R - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:54:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUv1L-000727-1N - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:53:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUv7e-00020I-OK - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:00:30 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k940rsY9027614 - for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:53:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17336 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 00:53:54 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.18.76]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 4 Oct 2006 00:53:54 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k940im601291; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:44:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:44:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Cc: sussman@google.com, list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, Gabriel Dos Reis > [root@doyen LatexWiki]# cd ~ > [root@doyen ~]# cd /var/lib/zope/Products/LatexWiki @@ -6265,53 +3837,18 @@ Cc: sussman@google.com, list, Gabriel Dos Reis sorry, i saw this posted by alfredo. i guess it was while running from a doyen CD. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUvYb-0003Dj-Dr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:28:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUvYY-0003BC-Bb - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:28:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUvYX-0003AE-Aw - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:28:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUvYX-0003A1-4y - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:28:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUveq-0005bE-F6 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:34:49 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id AEF4B69ADB; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:27:57 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D6B3B6980E; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:27:51 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:27:53 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Sage CD -Thread-Index: AcbnT+B5b7lw7WA/QUaxzQwkLh3xqAAAFOrQ From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: RE: Sage CD -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E754.4F25E76C - charset="us-ascii" - -Alfredo,=20 +Alfredo, It's good to hear from you! On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:56 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > My computer at home was "bugging out" (no other words to express > it :-s), so I was not able to get it so you could add your content > in doyen.sytes.net. I am currently in CCNY working on it. @@ -6332,11 +3869,11 @@ directly "clone" another DoyenCD. Actually it is pretty simple. 2) Set the PATH like this: cd /dev/hdb/tmp-boot - export PATH=3D./tools:$PATH + export PATH=./tools:$PATH Then just use 'mo2dir' to expand the module file, e.g. 'base/var.mo' into another temporary directory, say - '/dev/hdb/tmp-var'.=20 + '/dev/hdb/tmp-var'. 3) Apply the diffs from the actually /var directory (where zope really lives) to '/dev/hdb/tmp-var', @@ -6346,8 +3883,8 @@ directly "clone" another DoyenCD. Actually it is pretty simple. 5) and replace the module file in '/dev/hdb/tmp-boot/base' 6) Now create the iso CD image using 'make_iso.sh', et voila. -=20 ->=20 + +> > Your fixes to Maxima worked like a charm. Great. I also experimented with them by making a clone @@ -6383,7 +3920,7 @@ found some simple edit conflicts which will have to be resolved - mostly involving difference in executable paths as we expected. If you get stuck, just let me know. ->=20 +> > Also if you can send me the content you would like to > add or put it in axiom-developer, maybe that will be > a quick solution. @@ -6395,7 +3932,7 @@ I would recommend that we include the following pages: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxSagePamphlet > See if I can have this CD in couple hours. ->=20 +> Wonderful. I'll be here in my office for at least another hour, then I will have to check with you in the morning. @@ -6724,45 +4261,11 @@ ZSsnLnBhbXBobGV0JywgJ3cnKQoK \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUwnQ-0007N0-Dg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:47:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUwnP-0007Mv-NB - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:47:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUwnN-0007L7-B8 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:47:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUwnN-0007Ks-0Q - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:47:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GUwth-0007S2-ND - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:54:14 -0400 -Received: from spaceape9.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape9.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.143]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k942lcsg032518 - for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 03:47:38 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=is9Xjr/YMeadoBM9qcJUTr7GiCzZRHUO+AaCQOYIjwSqEdXtTX5JRdvVhEqWjqpkU - Wny+y5yzjIS+Esjk1rcew== -Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nfal36.prod.google.com [10.48.63.36]) - by spaceape9.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k942lVJ9023769 - for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 03:47:34 +0100 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so349384nfa - for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:47:34 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr75415huf; - Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:47:34 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:34 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Bill Page Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 10/3/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: @@ -6783,51 +4286,23 @@ If you try again with svnsync, keep a careful transcript of everything you do. Do *not* use the --no-interactive switch. I want to see exactly how/when you get prompted for info. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUwuh-0005ar-Iw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:55:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUwue-0005Wp-RR - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:55:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUwud-0005Vo-2I - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:55:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUwuc-0005VU-Q5 - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:55:10 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUx0x-0007yG-8y - for list; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:01:43 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 08CB86AE5D; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:09 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id ADF026AE14; - Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:07 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:07 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnX3vFI+ngYCUyQ1yoPDe86H1RIQAAFPGQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Ben,=20 +Ben, On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:48 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I just reset your repository. > Ok. Thanks. -=20 -> ...=20 + +> ... > If you try again with svnsync, keep a careful transcript of > everything you do. @@ -6845,43 +4320,12 @@ time, so I would prefer to run it nohup unattended. How can I reliably reset the subversion authorization cache? -Regards, -Bill Page.=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUyj2-0002iH-Q2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:51:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUyj0-0002gU-6B - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:51:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GUyiz-0002gI-6V - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GUyiz-0002gF-3F - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUypK-0003Hb-RW - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:57:51 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B5AFE6AF42; - Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:51:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 40A346AF34; - Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:51:10 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +\start Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:50:58 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Thread-Index: AcbnX3vFI+ngYCUyQ1yoPDe86H1RIQAAFPGQAAOaO/A= From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -6964,13 +4408,13 @@ This is the .subversion/config file: ### Note that this option only prevents saving of *new* passwords; ### it doesn't invalidate existing passwords. (To do that, remove ### the cache files by hand as described in the Subversion book.) -# store-passwords =3D no +# store-passwords = no ### Set store-auth-creds to 'no' to avoid storing any subversion ### credentials in the auth/ area of your config directory. ### It defaults to 'yes'. Note that this option only prevents ### saving of *new* credentials; it doesn't invalidate existing ### caches. (To do that, remove the cache files by hand.) -# store-auth-creds =3D no +# store-auth-creds = no ### Section for configuring external helper applications. ### Set editor to the command used to invoke your text editor. @@ -6986,10 +4430,10 @@ This is the .subversion/config file: ### Set diff3-has-program-arg to 'true' or 'yes' if your 'diff3' ### program accepts the '--diff-program' option. # [helpers] -# editor-cmd =3D editor (vi, emacs, notepad, etc.) -# diff-cmd =3D diff_program (diff, gdiff, etc.) -# diff3-cmd =3D diff3_program (diff3, gdiff3, etc.) -# diff3-has-program-arg =3D [true | false] +# editor-cmd = editor (vi, emacs, notepad, etc.) +# diff-cmd = diff_program (diff, gdiff, etc.) +# diff3-cmd = diff3_program (diff3, gdiff3, etc.) +# diff3-has-program-arg = [true | false] ### Section for configuring tunnel agents. # [tunnels] @@ -7006,12 +4450,12 @@ This is the .subversion/config file: ### passed to the tunnel agent as @.) If the ### built-in ssh scheme were not predefined, it could be defined ### as: -# ssh =3D $SVN_SSH ssh +# ssh = $SVN_SSH ssh ### If you wanted to define a new 'rsh' scheme, to be used with ### 'svn+rsh:' URLs, you could do so as follows: -# rsh =3D rsh +# rsh = rsh ### Or, if you wanted to specify a full path and arguments: -# rsh =3D /path/to/rsh -l myusername +# rsh = /path/to/rsh -l myusername ### On Windows, if you are specifying a full path to a command, ### use a forward slash (/) or a paired backslash (\\) as the ### path separator. A single backslash will be treated as an @@ -7021,35 +4465,35 @@ This is the .subversion/config file: # [miscellany] ### Set global-ignores to a set of whitespace-delimited globs ### which Subversion will ignore in its 'status' output. -# global-ignores =3D *.o *.lo *.la #*# .*.rej *.rej .*~ *~ .#* .DS_Store +# global-ignores = *.o *.lo *.la #*# .*.rej *.rej .*~ *~ .#* .DS_Store ### Set log-encoding to the default encoding for log messages -# log-encoding =3D latin1 +# log-encoding = latin1 ### Set use-commit-times to make checkout/update/switch/revert ### put last-committed timestamps on every file touched. -# use-commit-times =3D yes +# use-commit-times = yes ### Set enable-auto-props to 'yes' to enable automatic properties ### for 'svn add' and 'svn import', it defaults to 'no'. ### Automatic properties are defined in the section 'auto-props'. -# enable-auto-props =3D yes +# enable-auto-props = yes ### Section for configuring automatic properties. ### The format of the entries is: -### file-name-pattern =3D propname[=3Dvalue][;propname[=3Dvalue]...] +### file-name-pattern = propname[=value][;propname[=value]...] ### The file-name-pattern can contain wildcards (such as '*' and ### '?'). All entries which match will be applied to the file. ### Note that auto-props functionality must be enabled, which ### is typically done by setting the 'enable-auto-props' option. # [auto-props] -# *.c =3D svn:eol-style=3Dnative -# *.cpp =3D svn:eol-style=3Dnative -# *.h =3D svn:eol-style=3Dnative -# *.dsp =3D svn:eol-style=3DCRLF -# *.dsw =3D svn:eol-style=3DCRLF -# *.sh =3D svn:eol-style=3Dnative;svn:executable -# *.txt =3D svn:eol-style=3Dnative -# *.png =3D svn:mime-type=3Dimage/png -# *.jpg =3D svn:mime-type=3Dimage/jpeg -# Makefile =3D svn:eol-style=3Dnative +# *.c = svn:eol-style=native +# *.cpp = svn:eol-style=native +# *.h = svn:eol-style=native +# *.dsp = svn:eol-style=CRLF +# *.dsw = svn:eol-style=CRLF +# *.sh = svn:eol-style=native;svn:executable +# *.txt = svn:eol-style=native +# *.png = svn:mime-type=image/png +# *.jpg = svn:mime-type=image/jpeg +# Makefile = svn:eol-style=native [page@axiom-developer .subversion]$ ls auth config README.txt servers @@ -7150,7 +4594,7 @@ c2VjdXJlY2EuY3JsMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFEjmaPkr0rKV10fYIyAQTzOYkJ/UMB0GA1UdJQQW MBQGCCsGAQUFBwMBBggrBgEFBQcDAjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQCXJgBBMz/Ldw+nHt+T EhYWG6+PqmRH+c53dXdWWnJz/yqjpBKa7EPaOhZrrAuSRUztgQE8VMzmNZsqUtJOxGVHztBw 3VRjrh4vmy6Wfv9/6EBat9PQmx9eyG65SJCrR2IejudsUpeX58eGUTrFkqsTU2428qwo9GuW -3JX+1V1uRQ=3D=3D +3JX+1V1uRQ== K 8 failures V 1 @@ -7169,74 +4613,43 @@ END ------------- > -----Original Message----- -> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill Page] > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:55 PM > To: Ben Collins-Sussman > Cc: axiom-dev; Gabriel Dos Reis; Bill Page > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request ->=20 -> Ben,=20 ->=20 +> +> Ben, +> > On Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:48 PM you wrote: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > I just reset your repository. > > ->=20 +> > Ok. Thanks. -> =20 -> > ...=20 +> +> > ... > > If you try again with svnsync, keep a careful transcript of > > everything you do. ->=20 +> > Ok. I will. ->=20 +> > > Do *not* use the --no-interactive switch. I want to see > > exactly how/when you get prompted for info. > > ->=20 +> > Good point. I did use --no-interactive last time. It's not > going to prompt me again after initial authorization right? > So I just need to run the 'svnsync init --no-interactive'. > The actually 'sync' step is likely to take a very long > time, so I would prefer to run it nohup unattended. ->=20 +> > How can I reliably reset the subversion authorization cache? ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page.=20 ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GV4vU-0001de-S5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:28:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GV4vS-0001an-3r - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:28:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GV4vQ-0001Xc-LX - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:28:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV4vQ-0001XH-BL - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:28:32 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.231] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GV51q-000599-Ag - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:35:10 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so169535wxc - for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:28:31 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=WZqnIxmPV7pxZAv7aGGNE3eHEndYxmEXgoQpv/Wz0aA1OQt8Swgqmi6JkbLOknJGAbobvDxxIeqaKpGe3AKMp05Ri8hBvqn7eAgjQlY4dpRIlaZuJ9bGxjdxn2hNoqIiWeJsIKt0zpYMUa3G5toq2pJQ1TOxNjE2iHcdLKcMq5o= -Received: by 10.90.65.11 with SMTP id n11mr32424aga; - Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:28:31 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.80.19 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:28:31 -0700 (PDT) + +\start Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:28:31 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page - -Cc: list Subject: Re: Sage CD Hi Bill, @@ -7294,52 +4707,12 @@ can modify without starting from scratch. Did not this feature. I saw the LatexTemplate file, but never knew if all the environments were required. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GV80p-0005UA-5E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:46:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GV80m-0005Qe-IU - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:46:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GV80k-0005PQ-SA - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:46:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GV80k-0005PF-N5 - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:46:14 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GV87C-0007Gq-A3 - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:52:54 -0400 -Received: from zps75.corp.google.com (zps75.corp.google.com [172.25.146.75]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k94Ek9Tj022686 - for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:46:09 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=LslwH06qhRtn158Ld7KmKoS9wOuRgIW5ryC5CgCaEXwlVF/8w5z3TWZRsX1qibuZr - 0NlsIi4YaT0bxn0yHMUZA== -Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hue35.prod.google.com [10.78.5.35]) - by zps75.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k94EgbHH032653 - for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:46:03 -0700 -Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 35so1695380hue - for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:46:02 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.8 with SMTP id y8mr579007huf; - Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:46:02 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:46:02 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Bill Page Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 10/3/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: @@ -7413,35 +4786,12 @@ able to as well. However, bleeding edge is still bleeding edge... as you can see, we're discovering little snags and buglets here and there. Thanks for being such a great tester! - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVEoz-0007iv-En - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVEox-0007go-Qf - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVEov-0007eE-K6 - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVEov-0007e8-EE - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:29 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.80] (helo=mail260.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVEvQ-0005YD-Vi - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:09:13 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail260.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k94M1m1u021040; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:02:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:01:31 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ben, @@ -7450,16 +4800,16 @@ transfusion soon ... ;) Here's the latest: -~=3D~=3D~=3D PuTTY log 2006.10.04 11:52:26 =3D~=3D~=3D~ +~=~=~= PuTTY log 2006.10.04 11:52:26 =~=~=~ [page@axiom-developer page]$ svnsync init https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn file:///home/page/axiom-sf Authentication realm: Google Code Subversion Repository -Password for 'page':=20 +Password for 'page': Authentication realm: Google Code Subversion Repository Username: synthesis.anikast.ca -Password for 'synthesis.anikast.ca':=20 +Password for 'synthesis.anikast.ca': Copied properties for revision 0. [page@axiom-developer page]$ svnsync sync https://axiom.googlecode.com/svn @@ -7521,28 +4871,28 @@ Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@google.com]=20 +> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:Ben Collins-Sussman] > Sent: October 4, 2006 10:46 AM > To: Bill Page > Cc: axiom-dev; Gabriel Dos Reis > Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota > Request ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > On 10/3/06, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: > ... > > svnsync: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn' > > svnsync: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not read status line: > > Secure connection truncated (https://axiom.googlecode.com) ->=20 +> > Hm, that actually looks like a server crash! I'll investigate. ->=20 +> > However, I do see a problem: it's a bug in my function to reset > the repository. While it removes all revisions back to revision > 0, it doesn't actually remove the old rev-props attached to > revision 0! Witness all the svn:svnsync* revision properties left > behind by your last attempt to run svnsync: ->=20 +> > $ svn proplist --verbose --revprop -r0 http://axiom.googlecode.com/svn > Unversioned properties on revision 0: > svn:sync-from-uuid : 54bea96e-1511-0410-8851-aaeae44645fa @@ -7550,22 +4900,22 @@ Bill Page. > svn:sync-last-merged-rev : 2 > svn:date : 2006-04-10T15:40:55.446251Z > svn:sync-from-url : file:///home/page/axiom-sf ->=20 +> > I've worked around the problem by manually running 'svn propdel' > to delete each of these, so now your r0 is all clear of metadata. > (And I'll get to fixing the reset() bug too.) ->=20 +> > I suspect the problems may have come from svnsync just dying when > it was running into its own obsolete/stale revision-props from > previous runs. Try doing the 'svnsync init' again, and see if > it works. ->=20 +> > > I really do not understand why I am having so much trouble > > with subversion. :-( I do feel like I am making a very serious > > effort to try to make it work but getting nowhere. ->=20 +> > Have patience! You're on the bleeding edge here, literally. :-) ->=20 +> > While subversion itself is old and stable, svnsync is a brand new > tool, *just* released a couple of weeks ago. And googlecode is a > brand new subversion service running a newly written repository- @@ -7574,48 +4924,15 @@ Bill Page. > able to as well. However, bleeding edge is still bleeding edge... > as you can see, we're discovering little snags and buglets here > and there. Thanks for being such a great tester! ->=20 -=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVF8L-0002ws-Po - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:22:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVF8J-0002rU-ND - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:22:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVF8H-0002md-Ub - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:22:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVF8H-0002mC-Qt - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:22:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVFEo-000714-2k - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:29:14 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39DF4F3DD; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:22:13 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k94MJNVn012442; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:19:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k94MJNge012441; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:19:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -From: Gabriel Dos Reis + +\start Date: 05 Oct 2006 00:19:22 +0200 -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -7630,43 +4947,16 @@ plus a sick baby, I've got only that much time left. :-( Sorry. I hope this will be resolved soon. (Could you refresh my memory about what was wrong with copying the repo with SVK?) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVI1J-0000rw-A0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:27:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVI1H-0000rr-UH - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:27:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVI1F-0000rf-8P - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:27:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVI1F-0000rc-13 - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:27:25 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.29] (helo=mail209.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVI7n-0005OK-3f - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:34:11 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail209.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k951Qw5F013272; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:27:14 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:26:50 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:26:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , - 'axiom-dev' - -Gaby, +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman On October 4, 2006 6:19 PM you wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -7716,56 +5006,11 @@ result are MUCH easier to set up and manage. -- just my two-bytes. -Bill Page. - - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVIjG-0007bR-Uy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:12:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVIjF-0007ag-4x - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:12:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVIjB-0007Yk-UO - for list; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:12:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVIjB-0007Yh-LE - for list; 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- Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:11:41 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:11:40 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <01fe01c6e81d$5b67e930$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev On 10/4/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -7826,34 +5071,11 @@ myself, to see if I can reproduce that 403 error. history directly to our servers if we decide to give up on svnsync... we've already done that for emacspeak and some other projects.) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVT0M-0003vf-Co - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:11:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVT0K-0003rr-Lb - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:11:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVT0I-0003kO-7w - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:11:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVT0I-0003k8-1q - for list; 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Of course our primary objective here is just to get the Axiom repository on Google! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVTY5-0003ez-CI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:46:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVTY2-0003eP-Sd - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:46:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVTXz-0003eA-67 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:46:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVTXz-0003e7-21 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:45:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVTee-0005by-6e - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:52:52 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95DjcxZ007270 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:45:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13643 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 13:45:40 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 5 Oct 2006 13:45:40 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k95Dab902667; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:36:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:36:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman > > Looking at your errors, I'm guessing that revision 3 of your > > repository is some monstrously huge thing, @@ -8013,52 +5201,13 @@ i have MS Word documents that big. i regularly download CD and DVD images these days. any system that considers 20M to be 'huge' needs a rethink. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUZi-0000Xh-HJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:51:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUZf-0000Wy-L3 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:51:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUZe-0000Wm-8z - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:51:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVUZe-0000Wj-3q - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:51:46 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVUgJ-0007xV-EO - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:58:39 -0400 -Received: from zps37.corp.google.com (zps37.corp.google.com [172.25.146.37]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k95Epfhp011517 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:51:41 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=h446jWWnQn037mB5u0X4wH5mbzbWOxI6wDKv80i54shz4QQOfuzli1ve2nFdLBPua - Sb5OWmETyLmD/rr3MbB8A== -Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nfck26.prod.google.com [10.48.112.26]) - by zps37.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k95EpaNg027403 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:51:37 -0700 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k26so987678nfc - for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.128.15 with SMTP id a15mr416086hud; - Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:51:35 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Tim Daly Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <200610051336.k95Dab902667@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list -On 10/5/06, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 10/5/06, Tim Daly wrote: > any system that considers 20M to be 'huge' needs a rethink. > @@ -8076,34 +5225,11 @@ source, your server better have 400 megs of RAM to hold it. If 5 people are checking out that source tree at once, your server better have 2 gigs. Not so scalable. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUkn-0005Cn-9S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:03:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUkl-00059T-JN - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:03:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUkh-00055X-SA - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:03:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVUkh-00055U-MQ - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:03:11 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVUrN-0001ZA-E7 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:10:05 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k95F2j8Q005951; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:03:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ben Collins-Sussman'" -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:02:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request Ben, @@ -8153,31 +5279,9 @@ changed) Log: Axiom 3.0 Beta (January 2005) - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUlx-0006ka-7I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:04:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUlv-0006iM-2t - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:04:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUlr-0006cW-Ok - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:04:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVUlr-0006c5-Gh - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:04:23 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVUsX-0001hM-8a - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:11:17 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GVUlU-0007fW-00 - for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:04:00 +0200 -To: list Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:04:00 +0200 (CEST) +To: list From: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Remove postprop.lisp.pamphlet? @@ -8199,47 +5303,11 @@ So I think that the best way is to eradicate all traces of postprop.lisp.pamphlet in current sources (we have version control, so interested people can look there for obsolete code). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUyU-0003DP-F1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:17:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUyS-0003As-Fv - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:17:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVUyP-0003AD-Sb - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:17:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVUyP-0003A9-OM - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:17:21 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVV55-0003TL-Qn - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:24:16 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95FGonc003861 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:16:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30601 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 15:16:51 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Oct 2006 15:16:51 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k95F7n402731; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:07:49 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:07:49 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: sussman@google.com - (sussman@google.com) -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <200610051336.k95Dab902667@localhost.localdomain> - <944683b40610050751xa1d615fpff6f997b542ad7ac@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ben Collins-Sussman +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request > > any system that considers 20M to be 'huge' needs a rethink. > > @@ -8277,54 +5345,13 @@ to handle 20M files? perhaps CVS/SVN needs a bit of redesign to handle the future. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVBQ-0007MU-0V - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:30:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVBO-0007IE-PI - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:30:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVBL-000789-8m - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:30:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVVBL-00077w-5P - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:30:43 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVVI1-0004uD-63 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:37:37 -0400 -Received: from spaceape10.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape10.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.144]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k95FUX72018130 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:30:33 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=VxZy/843OECpR3ImQXczmmpxWq7va+qdxUCu4LL3gMw1nw9vjbToz1DjuZOx034mc - nzSeLCr24dA7Gl23OIEHQ== -Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ugcp37.prod.google.com [10.66.117.37]) - by spaceape10.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k95FUJQo029002 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:30:29 +0100 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id p37so190218ugc - for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.201.15 with SMTP id y15mr503370huf; - Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:30:29 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:30:28 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <200610051336.k95Dab902667@localhost.localdomain> - <944683b40610050751xa1d615fpff6f997b542ad7ac@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051507.k95F7n402731@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request -On 10/5/06, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 10/5/06, Tim Daly wrote: > does it make sense to rely on a version control system that fails > to handle 20M files? @@ -8343,34 +5370,12 @@ So yes, you should not rely on an unscalable version control system like CVS, *especially* if you're going to be working with large files. You should use a system like Subversion instead. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVKQ-0003sa-JA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:40:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVKO-0003sC-Ex - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:40:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVKN-0003rp-0H - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:40:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVVKM-0003rm-T8 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:40:02 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVVR3-0006ED-1C - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:46:57 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k95Fdclw001744; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:39:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:39:24 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman Tim, @@ -8399,53 +5404,11 @@ do you assume that it must be via subversion, cvs, Arch, etc.? As far as I am concerning things like video belong on a web site. As you said, this *is* the 21st century... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVdV-0003JB-4A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:59:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVdT-0003G9-8C - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:59:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVdQ-0003Bj-GU - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:59:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVVdQ-0003BS-7v - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:59:44 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.45.12] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GVVk6-0000d6-5y - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:06:38 -0400 -Received: from zps76.corp.google.com (zps76.corp.google.com [172.25.146.76]) - by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k95FxfUR005165 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:59:41 -0700 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=NAQg4xSpVIaIN7QvLiDjDwYd51T1aS8D1gnE0ZmZ+KwlKgUdd7EhAB7n01gG6CtQy - tBoa8RMaQZpP4mNoYJtcg== -Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ugdo38.prod.google.com [10.66.141.38]) - by zps76.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k95FwIMi015531 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:59:38 -0700 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o38so209698ugd - for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:59:37 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr542617hue; - Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:59:37 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.15 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:59:36 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list On 10/5/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -8478,41 +5441,12 @@ not a package-distribution system. One is for a small group of developers, the other is for a large audience of users. Mixing the two concepts can result in a lot of pain. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVmE-0002bU-Pr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:08:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVmD-0002bF-VN - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:08:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVVmC-0002aO-3Q - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:08:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVVmB-0002aK-U8 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:08:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVVss-0001iq-Dy - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:15:42 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95G8NGH018752 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:08:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7582 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 16:08:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 5 Oct 2006 16:08:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k95FxMj02792; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:59:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:59:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman > You are the only one I know who would seriously think of keeping > video in their *source code* control system! Of course it's a @@ -8557,45 +5491,10 @@ axiom databases. you clearly want to use the local database because they reflect your own code. it's all in a browser, it's all in a website but it's not on the web. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVWTi-0001pu-Li - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:53:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVWTg-0001pN-PT - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:53:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVWTe-0001pB-8T - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:53:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVWTe-0001p8-2U - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:53:42 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVWaK-0004Tr-VV - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:00:37 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95GrNCt014069 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:53:23 -0400 -Received: (qmail 4359 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 16:53:26 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 5 Oct 2006 16:53:26 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k95GiNH02829; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:44:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:44:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: sussman@google.com - (sussman@google.com) - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: version control > > When you say "integral part of the axiom src distribution" why @@ -8664,44 +5563,17 @@ code and the documentation as both are subparts of the literate document. you can't maintain one without maintaining the other at least that's the 'spirit' of the idea. - - - - version control systems maintain historically versioned copies of files required to build a system. they just need to copy files. they are 'mechanism', not 'policy'. it is a bad idea to form policy based on mechanism. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVX3o-0000i3-NG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:31:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVX3n-0000es-GW - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:31:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVX3j-0000SN-Vz - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:31:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVX3j-0000RQ-HT - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:30:59 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVXAQ-00012R-Ih - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:37:54 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GVX3a-0005JI-00; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:30:50 -0400 +Date: 05 Oct 2006 13:30:50 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Bill Page Subject: Re: axiom.silver -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 05 Oct 2006 13:30:50 -0400 -Cc: jaroslov@gmail.com, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! OK, Patch is in now. Thanks! @@ -8891,54 +5763,15 @@ Bill Page writes: > Axiom-developer mailing list > list > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVZQ6-0003DX-R4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:02:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVZQ5-0003B9-Vh - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:02:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVZQ4-00038w-An - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:02:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVZQ4-00038q-3O - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:02:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVZWm-0003pc-Nz - for list; 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but I don't see how that implies keeping the video under CVS or SVN. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVZs2-0003bC-UK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:31:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVZs1-0003au-CJ - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:31:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVZrw-0003WO-VS - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:31:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVZrw-0003W6-Rs - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:31:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVZyf-0007AA-OZ - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:37:57 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95KUoD2015295 - for ; 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Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:56:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 05 Oct 2006 22:56:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Oct 2006 22:56:47 +0200 -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | hmmm.... methinks you might not realize that axiom is, at least under | > | my view, trying to take a new direction about what 'source code' means. @@ -9168,49 +5924,12 @@ when it builds the documentation. depends on the options. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVag9-00086g-PF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:22:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVag7-000845-2a - for list; 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- Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:13:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:13:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 05 Oct 2006 22:56:47 +0200) Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman > | the questions come down to > | @@ -9240,51 +5959,14 @@ you answered a different question. the question is carefully constructed. i'm curious to know what you believe the result of the steps outlined above should be. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVayT-0007wn-Bo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:41:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVayR-0007tT-Ta - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:41:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVayQ-0007oP-8m - for list; 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5 Oct 2006 21:46:50 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k95Lbd602995; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:37:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:37:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 05 Oct 2006 22:56:47 +0200) Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman > | 2) what kind of environment do you expect if you want to write > | a new axiom domain? if you do: @@ -9416,54 +6061,12 @@ important stuff" because documentation was optional and an afterthought. the mistake you are making can only be seen in the light of history. but with 35 years of axiom experience we CAN see the mistake. -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVbJN-0001Sf-Fi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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5 Oct 2006 22:03:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k95LrvM03021; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:53:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:53:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 05 Oct 2006 23:38:36 +0200) Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052113.k95LDZD02985@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman | > The crucial difference is the first step. The distribution tarball | > need not contain only source files that come from the CVS/TLA/SVN repo. @@ -9517,54 +6120,14 @@ so, i repeat *MY* question. Assume the first step happens: make install axiom -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVfvq-0005xk-IM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:59:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVfvo-0005uZ-5O - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:59:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVfvm-0005rW-85 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:59:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVfvm-0005rG-2r - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:59:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVg2Y-0002uD-J3 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:06:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3A44F3D0; - Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:59:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k962uBrd009381; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:56:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k962uBDN009380; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:56:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 06 Oct 2006 04:56:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052137.k95Lbd602995@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Oct 2006 04:56:11 +0200 -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -9618,102 +6181,24 @@ What part of that is unclear? Yoy're totally off track about what I believe is important. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVgG4-0004oQ-RE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:20:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVgG3-0004ml-Ay - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:20:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVgG0-0004jV-SD - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:20:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVgG0-0004j6-JC - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:20:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVgMn-0004fV-Nq - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:27:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k963K2Du026922 - for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:20:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26459 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 03:20:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.16.28]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 6 Oct 2006 03:20:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k963ArS03174; - Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:10:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:10:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 06 Oct 2006 04:56:11 +0200) Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052137.k95Lbd602995@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, list well, you're doing a good job on the build-improvements so lets just agree to disagree. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVgKo-0005Fr-C7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:25:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVgKm-0005Ba-CU - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:25:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVgKk-0005AP-QO - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:25:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVgKk-0005AM-Nt - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:25:10 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVgRX-0005AG-B6 - for list; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:32:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB11340F56; - Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:25:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k963M0gb009699; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:22:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k963M0pa009698; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:22:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 06 Oct 2006 05:22:00 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: version control - <025301c6e894$77a23200$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610050859w14fe6386r94de52e273579712@mail.gmail.com> - <200610051644.k95GiNH02829@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052021.k95KLc802952@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052113.k95LDZD02985@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610052153.k95LrvM03021@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Oct 2006 05:22:00 +0200 -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | | > The crucial difference is the first step. The distribution tarball | | > need not contain only source files that come from the CVS/TLA/SVN repo. @@ -9849,35 +6334,11 @@ Bottom line: I would like to see GCL, nowed, etc. tarballs disappear from Axiom repo. They are better handled as separate tools and Axiom should should not be in business in developing its own version of them. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVsVx-0008J3-PI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:25:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVsVu-00088H-Ct - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:25:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVsVs-0007zJ-9p - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:25:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVsVs-0007z3-5O - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:25:28 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.18] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVscm-0000dw-NP - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:32:36 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.250.82] (ALille-251-1-73-82.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.250.82]) - by mwinf1914.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 16BD31C000B1 - for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:25:24 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:25:33 +0200 -Subject: Calling gbc before init-memory-config in restart - (bookvol5) +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Calling gbc before init-memory-config in restart (bookvol5) Hello, @@ -9948,65 +6409,36 @@ solve the problem, I encounter the same problem later (after calling This request is specific and not really important, it's just for convenience (and I will not need to maintain a patch :-). -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVveG-0007p5-4r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:46:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVveD-0007ha-Oe - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:46:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVveC-0007cA-1y - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:46:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVveB-0007bh-T9 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:46:15 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVvl8-0002D9-6x - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:53:26 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.250.82] (ALille-251-1-73-82.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.250.82]) - by mwinf1907.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D4F291C00084 - for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:46:05 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:45:40 +0200 -Subject: Re: Calling gbc before init-memory-config in - restart (bookvol5) +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: Calling gbc before init-memory-config in restart (bookvol5) After reflexion, since this function (restart) is "the real root of the world" and no one will use this function in an axiom session forget this mail. Furthermore it's not nice to call the garbage collector at the beginning of a session. -Greg - - -Le vendredi 06 octobre 2006 =E0 18:25 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit = : > Hello, ->=20 +> > What about "garbage collecting" (gbc t) in the 'restart' function > (bookvol5) just before calling 'init-memory-config'. ->=20 +> > In fact I can not load more than 16 libraries in .axiom.input when I > call 'restart'. These libraries are not completely loaded, just some > ')lib something'. I obtain this error: ->=20 +> > >> System error: > Can't set the limit for relocatable blocks to 1000. ->=20 +> > but if I issue (gbc t) before calling 'restart' that works. ->=20 +> > Here is the output of 'room' if I do not call 'gbc'. No operation has > been performed, just 16 ')lib': ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > 1479/1479 83.3% 1 CONS BIGNUM RATIO COMPLEX STRUCTURE > 145/200 49.4% FIXNUM SHORT-FLOAT LONG-FLOAT CHARACTER > RANDOM-STATE READTABLE SPICE @@ -10015,20 +6447,20 @@ Le vendredi 06 octobre 2006 =E0 18:25 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit = > 12/400 85.4% ARRAY HASH-TABLE VECTOR BIT-VECTOR > 21/100 99.3% CFUN CFDATA > 295/500 90.5% SFUN STRING GFUN VFUN AFUN ->=20 +> > 2110/3000 contiguous (420 blocks) > 1954 hole > 1676 55.7% 2 relocatable ->=20 +> > 2452 pages for cells > 8192 total pages > 494772 pages available > 21324 pages in heap but not gc'd + pages needed for gc marking > 524288 maximum pages ->=20 +> > If I issue a (restart) I get the error above but if I "garbage collect" > the output of 'room' is: ->=20 +> > 1479/1479 76.2% 1 CONS BIGNUM RATIO COMPLEX STRUCTURE > 145/200 44.1% FIXNUM SHORT-FLOAT LONG-FLOAT CHARACTER > RANDOM-STATE READTABLE SPICE @@ -10037,69 +6469,36 @@ Le vendredi 06 octobre 2006 =E0 18:25 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit = > 12/400 63.3% ARRAY HASH-TABLE VECTOR BIT-VECTOR > 21/100 99.1% CFUN CFDATA > 295/500 79.2% SFUN STRING GFUN VFUN AFUN ->=20 +> > 2110/3000 1 contiguous (274 blocks) > 2000 hole > 1676 11.4% 2 relocatable ->=20 +> > 2453 pages for cells > 8239 total pages > 494771 pages available > 21278 pages in heap but not gc'd + pages needed for gc marking > 524288 maximum pages ->=20 +> > And I can call 'restart'. ->=20 +> > I tested to increase the number of relocatable blocks with > (init-memory-config ... :rpages 2000 ...) in 'restart' but this does no= t > solve the problem, I encounter the same problem later (after calling > 'restart' 4 times). ->=20 +> > This request is specific and not really important, it's just for > convenience (and I will not need to maintain a patch :-). ->=20 -> Greg - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GVvtr-0006cf-R3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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I see 101 revisions in the repos... -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW02D-0002Iu-ST - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:27:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW02C-0002DF-C7 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:27:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW02B-0002AH-Cm - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:27:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW02B-00029w-6t - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:27:19 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GW09A-00084n-8i - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:34:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1778740FFC; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:27:16 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k970O65u031661; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:24:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k970O6ER031660; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:24:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Oct 2006 02:24:06 +0200 -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman Bill Page writes: @@ -10366,51 +6685,12 @@ Bill Page writes: Can we get the 1G and be done with it? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW0fD-0002bL-GC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:07:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW0fB-0002XW-NC - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:07:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW0fA-0002UL-43 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:07:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW0f9-0002UD-V6 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:07:36 -0400 -Received: from [69.49.111.195] (helo=pmail14c9.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GW0m9-0000mi-Be - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:14:49 -0400 -Received: from pmail14c9.megamailservers.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by pmail14c9.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9717Raf005666 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:07:28 -0400 -Received: (from Unknown UID 600@localhost) - by pmail14c9.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.12.2/Submit) id - k9717RSW005665; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:07:27 -0400 - sender to Bill Page using -f -Received: from dsl-243-250.zhonka.net (dsl-243-250.zhonka.net - [208.64.243.250]) by webmail.anikast.ca (Webmail 2.0) with HTTP for - ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 - 21:07:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:07:26 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -10420,33 +6700,10 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: .. but then how would help debug the Google, svnsync, svk, and svn programs? ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW10O-0004hE-GH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:29:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW10M-0004YK-3I - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:29:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW10L-0004WG-1T - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:29:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW10K-0004Vn-SB - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:29:28 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GW17K-0003Yd-O3 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:36:42 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GW0zw-0003YZ-00 - for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:29:04 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:29:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Build-improvements and stamps Gaby, ATM the stamp stuff misses dependencies: when I modify interp @@ -10471,43 +6728,11 @@ Makefile. I do not know what you want to do, but I think that correctly handling dependencies is a must. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW2j3-0002d4-IP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:19:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW2j1-0002Zu-EN - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:19:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW2iy-0002Uc-OA - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:19:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW2iy-0002U3-EF - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:19:40 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.65] (helo=web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GW2pz-00044R-8a - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:26:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31711 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2006 03:19:39 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Xii9CPwhoDwL4WMm0cM2LSOhMi2Fukfy06jrs99EjI8L0aIgR4o/oakYYipd1emFYGwiz0oInMuxibbH5ycqmMgvzUubLpZ9ymbHN0viMMKu4Mg4ykX2zUlKCvOetZDFaWBtLMakVukxD/NpM1NCK+okl3wHEoIJ2X5f9HSgPZI= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:19:39 PDT +\start Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list -Subject: On the ideas of building everywhere and "just - working" - ---0-130301435-1160191179=:22138 +Subject: On the ideas of building everywhere and "just working" I've been thinking a little about the problems encountered with bundling everything we need into one place and also about the desire @@ -10649,7 +6874,7 @@ subject. Maybe there are even studies on it? Cheers, CY -__________________________________________________ + Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com @@ -10760,30 +6985,10 @@ bWFuZCBMaW5lIiAtPiAiTGlzcCI7Cn0K --0-130301435-1160191179=:22138-- - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW34G-0007Rx-E1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:41:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW34F-0007Ph-G6 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:41:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW34C-0007Fa-M0 - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:41:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW34C-0007FG-GE - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:41:36 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GW3BD-0005sf-Jg - for list; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:48:51 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GW33p-0000P2-00 - for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:41:13 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 05:41:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: rule for making NRLIBs The current rule in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet does not work @@ -10806,34 +7011,10 @@ remove NRLIB from the makefile has advantage that build will fail if NRLIB can not be recompiled -- currently build goes on using stale NRLIB, which is very confusing for testing. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW4NJ-0002Sn-NS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:05:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW4NI-0002Sc-D5 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:05:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW4NG-0002SB-SO - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:05:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW4NG-0002S5-IH - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:05:22 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GW4UI-0003du-A4 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:12:38 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GW4Mt-0003Ta-00 - for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:04:59 +0200 -To: list +\start Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:04:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Nested functions in SPAD How to correctly define nested function in algebra file? I changed @@ -10859,44 +7040,11 @@ that compiles OK, but at runtime I get: >> System error: The function |EFSTRUC;transcendental?| is undefined. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW8j5-0007Tf-NF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:44:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW8j3-0007QN-57 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:44:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GW8j1-0007N7-7v - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:44:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GW8j0-0007Ms-Tn - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:44:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GW8q5-0005BD-HZ - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 05:51:25 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB7B40F56; 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Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:59:01 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Oct 2006 11:59:01 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Oct 2006 11:59:01 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11056,43 +7142,16 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: OK for silver and build-improvements, please add a changeLog entry. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWCid-00022K-T2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:00:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWCic-0001ve-2F - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:59:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWCia-0001ps-NS - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:59:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWCia-0001pW-KB - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:59:56 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWCph-0008NB-Kv - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:07:17 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.200.192] (ALille-251-1-46-192.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.200.192]) - by mwinf1912.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71E711C0008B; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:59:55 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:00:08 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 05:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > The current rule in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet does not work > during re-make. Namely, SPAD compiler fails when NRLIB directory > already exists. I propose to add the following: ->=20 +> > --- pp/build-improvements/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-09-29 21:0= 9:42.000000000 +0200 > +++ build-improvements.nn5/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-10-07 05:= @@ -11105,8 +7164,8 @@ Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 05:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > @ (cd ${MID} ; \ > if [ -z "${NOISE}" ] ; then \ > echo ")co $*.spad" | ${INTERPSYS} ; \ ->=20 -> One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB,=20 +> +> One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB, I think it's the same bug than the bug #302 . See the thread "Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB" in Axiom-developer mail @@ -11127,41 +7186,12 @@ regard but probably not all, my aim was/is different. > remove NRLIB from the makefile has advantage that build will fail > if NRLIB can not be recompiled -- currently build goes on using > stale NRLIB, which is very confusing for testing. ->=20 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWD6H-0001lN-M9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:24:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWD6G-0001ii-Pm - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:24:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWD6F-0001dW-CF - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:24:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWD6F-0001d3-5z - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:24:23 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.127] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GWDDM-0001Qp-AZ - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:31:44 -0400 -Received: from webmail.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (www-data@swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.37.126]) - by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k97EOILK004418 - for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:24:18 +0200 -Received: from 194.187.177.126 (SquirrelMail authenticated user hemmecke); - by webmail.risc.uni-linz.ac.at with HTTP; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:24:18 +0200 (CEST) - + +\start Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:24:18 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD From: Ralf Hemmecke To: list +Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -11209,41 +7239,18 @@ To: list Interesting. Both should work. -Ralf - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWDNW-0003p7-AR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:42:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWDNU-0003jz-62 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:42:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWDNT-0003hS-Bq - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:42:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWDNT-0003hI-5N - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:42:11 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWDUa-0003Gr-DD - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:49:32 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GWDN2-0005L1-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:41:44 +0200 -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:41:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 ? 05:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > The current rule in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet does not work > > during re-make. Namely, SPAD compiler fails when NRLIB directory > > already exists. I propose to add the following: -> >=20 +> > > > --- pp/build-improvements/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-09-29 21:0= 9:42.000000000 +0200 > > +++ build-improvements.nn5/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-10-07 05:= @@ -11256,9 +7263,9 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch, > > @ (cd ${MID} ; \ > > if [ -z "${NOISE}" ] ; then \ > > echo ")co $*.spad" | ${INTERPSYS} ; \ -> >=20 -> > One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB,=20 ->=20 +> > +> > One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB, +> > I think it's the same bug than the bug #302 . See the thread > "Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB" in Axiom-developer mail > Archives. Anyway this issue has to be discussed since it has a lot of @@ -11266,7 +7273,7 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch, > they use (probe-file ...) and (delete-file ...) on directories. There is > apparently no consensus, as far as I know, on what 'probe-file' and > 'delete-file' have to do for directories so... ->=20 +> > Greg > @@ -11287,97 +7294,46 @@ When you speak about "a lot of implications" do you mean that probe-file is used in many places or that it is used in may different ways? In the first case a wrapper called axiom-probe-file would be a perfect solution. ->=20 +> > > but > > remove NRLIB from the makefile has advantage that build will fail > > if NRLIB can not be recompiled -- currently build goes on using > > stale NRLIB, which is very confusing for testing. -> >=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWDbE-0005Fw-6e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:56:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWDbB-0005Bf-V0 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:56:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWDbA-00057s-AH - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:56:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWDbA-00057J-3t - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:56:20 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWDiH-0004Zs-KD - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:03:41 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GWDak-0006ST-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:55:54 +0200 -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -To: Gabriel Dos Reis +> > + +\start Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:55:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 +> > | The current rule in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet does not work > | during re-make. Namely, SPAD compiler fails when NRLIB directory > | already exists. I propose to add the following: ->=20 +> > OK for silver and build-improvements, please add a changeLog entry. ->=20 +> Commited on build-improvements (before I read message from Vanuxem Gr=E9gor= y). - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWEiw-0004DH-GW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:08:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWEiu-00048r-Eb - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:08:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWEiq-00040q-Fm - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:08:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWEiq-00040c-BM - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:08:20 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWEpy-0004on-Hk - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:15:42 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.200.192] (ALille-251-1-46-192.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.200.192]) - by mwinf1923.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C4C911C000AC; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:07:48 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch +\start Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:07:15 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 ? 05:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > > The current rule in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet does not work > > > during re-make. Namely, SPAD compiler fails when NRLIB directory > > > already exists. I propose to add the following: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > --- pp/build-improvements/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-09-29 = 21:09:42.000000000 +0200 > > > +++ build-improvements.nn5/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-10-07= @@ -11390,9 +7346,9 @@ Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 > > > @ (cd ${MID} ; \ > > > if [ -z "${NOISE}" ] ; then \ > > > echo ")co $*.spad" | ${INTERPSYS} ; \ -> > >=20 -> > > One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB,=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB, +> > > > I think it's the same bug than the bug #302 . See the thread > > "Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB" in Axiom-developer mail > > Archives. Anyway this issue has to be discussed since it has a lot of @@ -11401,10 +7357,10 @@ Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 is > > apparently no consensus, as far as I know, on what 'probe-file' and > > 'delete-file' have to do for directories so... -> >=20 +> > > > Greg > > ->=20 +> > Yes, the problem is related to bug #302. I agree that fix for bug #302 > needs some discussion. On the other hand I think that last reason I ga= ve @@ -11414,14 +7370,14 @@ ve > use whatever host Lisp offers so that axiom-probe-file behaves on > directories the same as on files (and the similarely for axiom-delete-f= ile). ->=20 +> > > P.S. I have encountered this issue in a totally different context thi= s > > is why I say a lot of implications; grep the interpreter for probe-fi= le > > and delete-file. I have fixed some parts of the interpreter in this > > regard but probably not all, my aim was/is different. ->=20 +> > When you speak about "a lot of implications" do you mean that probe-fil= e > is used in many places or that it is used in may different ways? In th= @@ -11457,33 +7413,10 @@ case actually as far as I know. Thanks for your work, -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWGl2-0003sV-NC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:18:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWGl0-0003pr-J1 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:18:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWGkx-0003jw-Sx - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:18:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWGkx-0003jM-DT - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:18:39 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWGs6-0004pa-Qp - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:26:03 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GWGkZ-0006n7-00 - for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:18:15 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:18:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Fix for bug 294 Below is a fix for bug 294. Some extra comments: @@ -11549,48 +7482,24 @@ integrate(simplify(D((((((((x)+(log(x)))*(((x)/(x))/(sqrt(x))))/((a)*(x)))-(sqrt (retractIfCan(r::Q)@Union(Z, "failed") case Z) and gdCoef?(qelt(v, i), v) => return([i, k]) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWH32-0006fI-Lx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:37:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWH30-0006dQ-L9 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:37:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWH2z-0006cr-1j - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:37:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWH2y-0006cn-VE - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:37:16 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHA8-0006xS-Dm - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:44:40 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GWH2Z-0007h5-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:36:51 +0200 -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem +\start Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:36:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: -> Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 ? 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +> Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 ? 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > When you speak about "a lot of implications" do you mean that probe-file > > is used in many places or that it is used in may different ways? In the > > first case a wrapper called axiom-probe-file would be a perfect solutio= n. ->=20 +> > I meant they are used in many places and we will need, I think, to check > the use of probe-file and delete-file everywhere (for example `egrep -ri > 'probe_?-file' src/interp/ |wc -l` returns 84 (in Gold)) . ->=20 +> > Yes, I think too that a wrapper function/macro would be a good idea > thought I don't think it will have to be used everywhere. This leads to > other questions such that will we use the function directoryp, which is @@ -11607,12 +7516,12 @@ Mac OSX). ATM wrapper should use directoryp, later we can change it to accomodate other Lisps. I did not look deeply into the problem, but what I wrote is just common sense: we want to push down and encapsulate system specific details. -=20 + > > > > but > > > > remove NRLIB from the makefile has advantage that build will fail > > > > if NRLIB can not be recompiled -- currently build goes on using > > > > stale NRLIB, which is very confusing for testing. ->=20 +> > I do not use the build-improvements branch but I'm really interested in i= t if these > modifications allows users to use modified category/domain/package in src= @@ -11620,7 +7529,7 @@ t if these > after a recompilation of Axiom (only modified files of course). This is n= ot the > case actually as far as I know. ->=20 +> ATM build-improvements has problem with stamp files -- I have to romove them manually. There is also problem with databases: when I changed @@ -11630,53 +7539,20 @@ patch I was able to use make (after removing the stamp). It recompiled about 20 files which took about 5 minutes and after that the change was effective. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHEv-0002Qp-5F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHEt-0002P5-Od - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHEq-0002NQ-1n - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHEp-0002NH-EY - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHLz-0008SO-7t - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:56:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD354F3B8; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:49:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k97IkHhp010485; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:46:19 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k97IkHrQ010484; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:46:17 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs - <1160229608.2812.62.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:46:17 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 05:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : | > The current rule in src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet does not work | > during re-make. Namely, SPAD compiler fails when NRLIB directory | > already exists. I propose to add the following: -| >=20 +| > | > --- pp/build-improvements/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-09-29 21:0= 9:42.000000000 +0200 | > +++ build-improvements.nn5/src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet 2006-10-07 05:= @@ -11689,9 +7565,9 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: | > @ (cd ${MID} ; \ | > if [ -z "${NOISE}" ] ; then \ | > echo ")co $*.spad" | ${INTERPSYS} ; \ -| >=20 -| > One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB,=20 -|=20 +| > +| > One could also modify SPAD compiler to remove existing NRLIB, +| | I think it's the same bug than the bug #302 . See the thread | "Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB" in Axiom-developer mail | Archives. @@ -11710,43 +7586,11 @@ I don't believe the checked patch fixes bug #302 because I don't think they are the same bug. Even when bug #302 is fixed (within GCL/Axiom), I do believe the additional Makefile rule should be there. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHFH-0002i2-Cs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHFG-0002hn-Ez - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHFE-0002h9-Vm - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHFE-0002gx-Ny - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:49:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHMO-0008Vo-Iy - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:57:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39054F3EB; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:49:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k97Ikgbt010489; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:46:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k97Ikggp010488; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:46:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:46:42 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:46:42 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11754,44 +7598,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHJt-0004pP-DR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:54:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHJr-0004oa-Nj - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:54:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHJp-0004nx-Ok - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:54:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHJp-0004nn-DY - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:54:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHQz-0000Ss-7G - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:02:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0D940F3D; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:54:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k97IpRxN010493; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:51:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k97IpRho010492; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:51:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:51:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD - - <3451.194.187.177.126.1160231058.squirrel@194.187.177.126> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:51:27 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -11846,42 +7657,11 @@ the map disagrees with the terrain? Swiss Army says "trust the terrain" :-) The One Way to resolve this is to fix the interpreter/compiler. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHMt-0007FW-KZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:57:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHMs-0007DP-33 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:57:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHMr-0007Cs-Kn - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:57:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHMr-0007CV-Cm - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:57:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHU1-0000k1-8Y - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:05:13 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD164105E; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:57:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k97IsZOA010590; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:54:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k97IsZ41010589; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:54:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:54:35 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Fix for bug 294 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Oct 2006 20:54:35 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11934,33 +7714,12 @@ I much prefer the "functional" style you suggested earlier. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHSM-0001f9-TN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:03:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHSL-0001et-Cf - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:03:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHSI-0001eh-Vv - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:03:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHSI-0001ee-Py - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:03:26 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHZS-0001px-LM - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:10:50 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GWHRu-0008Ai-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:03:02 +0200 -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:03:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > ATM build-improvements has problem with stamp files -- I have to romove @@ -11977,35 +7736,11 @@ algebra version. But I noticed that using old versions were correlated with errors in the trace log. After I changed Makefile I am just getting build failures. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHXQ-00058P-GG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:08:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHXO-00057W-Ms - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:08:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHXM-00056S-Rs - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:08:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHXM-00056F-Lz - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:08:40 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHeW-0002Hy-Mh - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:16:04 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GWHWy-0000Kt-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:08:16 +0200 -Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD -To: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:08:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Try: @@ -12029,44 +7764,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: This gives me the same error. I will try to produce a self contained example for issue tracker. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHlB-0002pL-Lh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:22:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHl9-0002ia-TH - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:22:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHl8-0002ea-MM - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:22:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHl8-0002eN-J7 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:22:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHsI-0003cT-Ta - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:30:19 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786D54F3A4; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:22:41 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k97JJe5d010893; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:19:42 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k97JJeqW010892; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:19:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:19:40 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:19:40 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12093,42 +7795,11 @@ are bugs from my point of view. I found them the hard way, but postponed fixiing them because they need more discussions, and I was waiting for more appropriate time [when I have lot :-)] --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHmE-0006Si-RX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:24:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHmD-0006Nl-DB - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:24:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWHmA-0006Fi-Je - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:24:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWHmA-0006FH-DP - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:23:58 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWHtK-0003iI-NF - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:31:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E6241053; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:23:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k97JKi1c010897; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:20:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k97JKiwA010896; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:20:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:20:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Oct 2006 21:20:44 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12160,41 +7831,12 @@ for Ralf. Definitely. --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWIDk-0003tu-Tk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:52:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWIDj-0003pF-Hz - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:52:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWIDi-0003kj-9n - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:52:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWIDi-0003kS-5v - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:52:26 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.127] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GWIKs-00074n-EP - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:59:50 -0400 -Received: from webmail.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (www-data@swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.37.126]) - by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k97Jq8LK013465; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:52:08 +0200 -Received: from 194.187.177.126 (SquirrelMail authenticated user hemmecke); - by webmail.risc.uni-linz.ac.at with HTTP; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:52:09 +0200 (CEST) - Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:52:09 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Hmmm, I don't say again that it should work both ways... I got misled by SPAD. Arrrhhh. Sorry, I did not look into the sources first time. @@ -12256,52 +7898,13 @@ Ralf > > This gives me the same error. I will try to produce a self contained > example for issue tracker. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWITA-0001Uw-DC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:08:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWIT9-0001Uj-Nj - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:08:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWIT9-0001UR-3l - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:08:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWIT8-0001UK-Ti - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:08:23 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.37.127] (helo=swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GWIaJ-0000AH-Bn - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:15:47 -0400 -Received: from webmail.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (www-data@swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.37.126]) - by swan.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k97K89LK015974; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:08:09 +0200 -Received: from 194.187.177.126 (SquirrelMail authenticated user hemmecke); - by webmail.risc.uni-linz.ac.at with HTTP; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:08:09 +0200 (CEST) - Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:08:09 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -12362,38 +7965,14 @@ main(): () == { main(); ---END aaa.as - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWKUz-0003I7-Ti - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:18:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWKUy-0003EJ-DQ - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:18:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWKUw-0003C7-JL - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:18:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWKUw-0003Bj-F4 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:18:22 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.111] (helo=smtp-msa-out17.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWKc8-0005Ut-GT - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:25:48 -0400 -Received: from [83.204.91.191] (ALille-251-1-94-191.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - [83.204.91.191]) - by mwinf1712.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BFFE37000082; - Sun, 8 Oct 2006 00:18:03 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1160229608.2812.62.camel@ellipse> - Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 00:17:38 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 20:46 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 20:46 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: [...] @@ -12401,7 +7980,7 @@ Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 20:46 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 > | I think it's the same bug than the bug #302 . See the thread > | "Cannot Rename The File Erlib To NRLIB" in Axiom-developer mail > | Archives. ->=20 +> > I don't know whether they are the same bug -- they might have similar > symptoms though. @@ -12421,7 +8000,7 @@ object file is not copied in mnt/$SYS/algebra. I encountered this issue. > I don't believe the checked patch fixes bug #302 because I don't think -> they are the same bug. =20 +> they are the same bug. It's possible too, I don't know, I only test the build process of this branch every 10-30 days. I wanted to say "it could be the same bug" and @@ -12431,69 +8010,35 @@ way to go, even Bill was not happy with this patch (I will not discuss here this patch but 'directory' and 'truename' are from my point of view completely buggy in gcl 2.6). - -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWLZA-0008Gq-4n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:26:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWLZ7-0008De-Ui - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:26:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWLZ6-0008Ba-6M - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:26:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWLZ5-0008BE-Uh - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:26:43 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWLgI-0004bd-G1 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:34:10 -0400 -Received: from [86.207.54.57] (ALille-251-1-101-57.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - [86.207.54.57]) - by mwinf1922.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 48A771C0008D; - Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:26:42 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:26:58 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 20:36 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 =E0 20:36 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: -[...]=20 -> > Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 ? 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 -> > > When you speak about "a lot of implications" do you mean that probe= --file -> > > is used in many places or that it is used in may different ways? I= -n the -> > > first case a wrapper called axiom-probe-file would be a perfect sol= -ution. -> >=20 -> > I meant they are used in many places and we will need, I think, to ch= -eck -> > the use of probe-file and delete-file everywhere (for example `egrep = --ri +[...] +> > Le samedi 07 octobre 2006 ? 16:41 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : +> > > When you speak about "a lot of implications" do you mean that probe-file +> > > is used in many places or that it is used in may different ways? In the +> > > first case a wrapper called axiom-probe-file would be a perfect solution. +> > +> > I meant they are used in many places and we will need, I think, to check +> > the use of probe-file and delete-file everywhere (for example `egrep -ri > > 'probe_?-file' src/interp/ |wc -l` returns 84 (in Gold)) . -> >=20 +> > > > Yes, I think too that a wrapper function/macro would be a good idea -> > thought I don't think it will have to be used everywhere. This leads = -to -> > other questions such that will we use the function directoryp, which = -is +> > thought I don't think it will have to be used everywhere. This leads to +> > other questions such that will we use the function directoryp, which is > > a wrapper to a C functions defined in src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet, in > > this wrapper? A new function has been added to the system package of -> > GCL, namely 'stat', so will we rewrite a full lisp directoryp functio= -n -> > and remove this C function from Axiom? Will this wrapper (axiom-probe= -| +> > GCL, namely 'stat', so will we rewrite a full lisp directoryp function +> > and remove this C function from Axiom? Will this wrapper (axiom-probe| > > delete-file) use stat or directoryp etc, etc... > > ->=20 +> > I think that we should use wrapper "everywhere" -- the semantics of > probe-file looks insane on Unix-like systems (including Windows and > Mac OSX). ATM wrapper should use directoryp, later we can change @@ -12504,53 +8049,19 @@ n This is exactly why I think this issue need to be discussed. Tim, Gaby and any others can you share your point of view? -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWMsG-0004nM-M2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:50:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWMsF-0004jZ-9R - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:50:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWMsD-0004er-FQ - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:50:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWMsD-0004eU-Af - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:50:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWMzQ-0004ug-KB - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:58:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D25C40E8F; - Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:50:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k980lIa1013841; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:47:20 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k980lIuS013840; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:47:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs - <1160229608.2812.62.camel@ellipse> - - <1160259458.2818.43.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Oct 2006 02:47:18 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: [...] | > Definitely I believe the Makefile should clean up the directory. -|=20 +| | It's possible, this is why I did not discuss this point. There is a | problem when a file in src/algebra/ is modified (see another mail), the | object file is not copied in mnt/$SYS/algebra. @@ -12558,46 +8069,12 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: Thanks for mentioning this; I have not encountered it yet. I put it on my TODO list. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWOaw-0007DM-P0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:40:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWOav-0007C7-Ka - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:40:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWOat-0007AP-Pq - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:40:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWOat-0007AK-JV - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:40:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWOi7-0005OT-VO - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:48:16 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k982eOkw019515 - for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:40:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 02:40:24 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.23.126]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 8 Oct 2006 02:40:24 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k982VBP04838; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:31:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:31:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 00:17:38 +0200) Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs - <1160229608.2812.62.camel@ellipse> - - <1160259458.2818.43.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Greg, @@ -12611,44 +8088,12 @@ rest of the system as most of it is dynamically generated. Perhaps there is a problem with the dynamically generated rules. If I get a chance this weekend I'll look into it. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWOdx-00089V-Vl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:43:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWOdv-000899-AP - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:43:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWOdt-00088U-F5 - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:43:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWOdt-00088G-Ak - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:43:53 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWOl1-0005cf-8y - for list; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:51:21 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k982hahJ011892 - for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:43:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 1662 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 02:43:37 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.23.126]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 8 Oct 2006 02:43:37 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k982YOG04844; - Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:34:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:34:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:26:58 +0200) Subject: Re: rule for making NRLIBs - <1160263618.3347.1.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > > I think that we should use wrapper "everywhere" -- the semantics of > > probe-file looks insane on Unix-like systems (including Windows and @@ -12671,138 +8116,31 @@ lower this tower as I go along with the rewrite. That said, it is a perfectly reasonable short-term solution. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWsE0-0002qY-QH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:19:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWsDw-0002nV-G8 - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:19:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWsDr-0002ib-2W - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:19:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWsDp-0002i5-T9 - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:18:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWsLK-0003iq-8n - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:26:42 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99AIWm9003999 - for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:18:36 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26147 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 10:18:33 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.18.149]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 9 Oct 2006 10:18:33 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k99A9Lj13253; - Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:09:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:09:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:18:15 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: Fix for bug 294 -Cc: list patch applied to gold. this will be available in --patch-51 -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWtJ9-0005OP-Up - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:28:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWtJ7-0005Ly-Dj - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:28:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWtJ2-0005Hn-5O - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:28:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWtJ1-0005Hg-QT - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:28:23 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWtQZ-00048U-7k - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:36:11 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99BS409010481 - for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:28:09 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19796 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 11:28:06 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.18.149]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 9 Oct 2006 11:28:06 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k99BIu213268; - Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:18:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:18:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:18:15 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: Fix for bug 294 -Cc: list Could you please spend some time trying to add some documentation to the efstruc.spad file? You clearly understand what goodCoef does and that explanation (along with anything else) would be useful to capture. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWzda-0003wz-1E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:14:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWzdY-0003ut-30 - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:14:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GWzdW-0003tK-B2 - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:13:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GWzdW-0003tH-9N - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:13:58 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GWzl7-0005i8-Jj - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:21:49 -0400 -Received: from spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.141]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k99IDn2L018294 - for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:13:49 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=jygG0xVm3FJEM7trdSMdKVX6EBmMrQ2ZRbKkrMUx+7Z0LlSst3bRQ9eVKkBPrl8e/ - n1/p+ldlRK9xEsRfdXG+w== -Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ugh71.prod.google.com [10.66.8.71]) - by spaceape7.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k99ICoF3016691 - for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:13:47 +0100 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so696855ugh - for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.188.19 with SMTP id l19mr5460691huf; - Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.16 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:13:46 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list On 10/6/06, Bill Page Bill Page wrote: @@ -12832,48 +8170,13 @@ Let me know if you have any more problems. (Remember, do an https:// checkout if you intend to commit changes; http:// checkouts produce read-only working copies.) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GX1TB-0003sA-Cb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:11:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GX1T8-0003nb-Da - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:11:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GX1T6-0003iM-36 - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:11:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX1T5-0003hQ-Gq - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:11:19 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GX1ah-0002mJ-O4 - for list; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:19:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9560C4F3C6; 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Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:11:25 +0200 +Date: 10 Oct 2006 16:11:23 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 Oct 2006 16:11:23 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12954,105 +8225,24 @@ That is, I don't use pile syntax. #1, #2, etc. are the arguments you are going to hand to f. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXMUg-0006US-NN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:38:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXMUe-0006S3-Ub - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:38:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXMUd-0006QR-Ve - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:38:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXMUd-0006QH-QT - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:38:19 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GXMcT-0005s9-4X - for list; 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Does this mean that the Axiom sources are available from Google? (I have been unable to use svn to check out from the silver repository at Sourceforge for a while.) If so, how do you do it? -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXMoz-0004lb-NL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXMoy-0004km-TP - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXMox-0004jF-3t - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXMow-0004j9-U3 - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:18 -0400 -Received: from [69.49.111.221] (helo=pmail31c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GXMwm-0007n7-H4 - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:07:24 -0400 -Received: from pmail31c2.megamailservers.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by pmail31c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9AIxE5D014389 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); - Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:15 -0400 -Received: (from Unknown UID 600@localhost) - by pmail31c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id - k9AIxE9U014388; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:14 -0400 - sender to Bill Page using -f -Received: from D-128-208-202-168.dhcp4.washington.edu - (D-128-208-202-168.dhcp4.washington.edu [128.208.202.168]) by - webmail.anikast.ca (Webmail 2.0) with HTTP for - ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 - 14:59:14 -0400 +\start Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:59:14 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Jay Belanger -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request Quoting Jay Belanger: @@ -13062,48 +8252,13 @@ Quoting Jay Belanger: http://code.google.com/p/axiom/source - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXN3t-0005v3-PP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:14:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXN3s-0005tS-6V - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:14:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXN3p-0005rq-G2 - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:14:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXN3p-0005rm-4s - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:14:41 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GXNBf-0001OA-3i - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:22:47 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E69A57A83; - Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:22:06 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.4]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD92F57E8C; - Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:22:03 -0500 (CDT) -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -From: Jay Belanger - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:14:32 -0500 - message of "Tue\, 10 Oct 2006 14\:59\:14 -0400") -Cc: list - +From: Jay Belanger +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Quoting Jay Belanger: > @@ -13117,49 +8272,11 @@ Thanks; I'm getting it now. This should probably go in the wiki. Is this the silver branch? (I'm guessing yes from the Changelog, but I don't know how to be sure.) -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXNjL-0005du-Rg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:57:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXNjJ-0005dD-AN - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:57:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXNjG-0005Yj-IR - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:57:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXNjG-0005Y9-7W - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:57:30 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GXNr6-0007i1-06 - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:05:36 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D126814011 - for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:04:59 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.4]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80EF48E0D; - Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:04:53 -0500 (CDT) +\start +Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:57:22 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -From: Jay Belanger - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87d590htk7.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:57:22 -0500 - "Tue\, 10 Oct 2006 14\:14\:32 -0500") -Cc: - >> http://code.google.com/p/axiom/source > @@ -13167,41 +8284,12 @@ Cc: This seems to have the old "unwritable .svn directories" problem. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXORK-0006uj-Bz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:43:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXORH-0006sf-MH - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:42:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXORD-0006oD-5K - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:42:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXORC-0006nU-Tj - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:42:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GXOZ3-0004X2-IR - for list; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:51:01 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DEE4F3CA; - Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:42:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9AKdTEG004070; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:39:32 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9AKdTaq004069; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:39:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 10 Oct 2006 22:39:29 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Nested functions in SPAD - <9qejtgi7lg.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 Oct 2006 22:39:29 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -13216,39 +8304,11 @@ yes; I was trying to debug this stuff; I did not succeed for lack of patience and time. I find that the translation into s-expression is done too eargerly, which make diagnostics very terrible. --- gaby - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXdad-0001uQ-Lh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:53:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXdab-0001s3-Ut - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:53:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXdaY-0001mG-Rw - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:53:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXdaY-0001lt-LT - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:53:34 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GXdiY-0000eL-Dx - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:01:50 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9BCrUrd018417 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:53:30 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:54:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Jay Belanger -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <8764es7xlp.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request I had fixed that in r75 under build-improvements. I guess, it is still not in the trunk (Silver). @@ -13261,37 +8321,11 @@ On 10/10/2006 09:57 PM, Jay Belanger wrote: > > This seems to have the old "unwritable .svn directories" problem. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXdem-00080H-NN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:57:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXdek-0007xm-TR - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:57:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXdej-0007wU-Pg - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:57:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXdej-0007w6-HD - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:57:53 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GXdmj-0001aK-9E - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:06:09 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9BCvnrd018518 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:57:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:58:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Jay Belanger -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <87d590htk7.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request >> http://code.google.com/p/axiom/source > @@ -13313,41 +8347,10 @@ not in sync. Very good question. If even Axiom developers don't know then we are in big trouble. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXeqY-0006sP-L1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:14:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXeqX-0006sB-BI - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:14:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXeqW-0006rn-Gj - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:14:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXeqW-0006rj-Cx - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:14:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GXeyX-0006uA-5M - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:22:25 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GXeqP-0000Cv-Kz; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:14:01 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GXeqP-0002hQ-Ii; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:14:01 +0200 -To: Timothy Daly Tim Daly, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Oct 2006 16:13:59 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: guessing package Dear Tim, @@ -13361,88 +8364,21 @@ difficult to keep updated, I'm not doing it daily. I hope the build issues are already resolved? -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXf4N-0006lo-CW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:28:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXf4L-0006fd-BM - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:28:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GXf4J-0006bJ-FX - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:28:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GXf4J-0006ao-7j - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:28:23 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GXfCJ-0000F2-UI - for list; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:36:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BERvon010933 - for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:28:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29842 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2006 14:27:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 11 Oct 2006 14:27:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9BEIl515039; - Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:18:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:18:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 11 Oct 2006 16:13:59 +0200) -Cc: list Subject: Re: guessing package great. please tar up the files and send them to me. i'll start adding them tonight and see what we get. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GY68l-0001lx-TD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:22:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GY68k-0001ke-2F - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:22:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GY68g-0001g5-JV - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:22:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GY68g-0001fz-9T - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:22:42 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GY6Gy-000163-2k - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:31:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230884FB75 - for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:21:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9CJIR7q016359 - for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:18:30 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9CJIRQ2016358; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:18:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Oct 2006 21:18:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: src/interp/g-boot.boot - Tim -- The file g-boot.boot (and similar ones from src/interp/) contains a @@ -13464,36 +8400,12 @@ Its Common Lisp cache can be safely deleted, as bootsys from src/boot translates that file without any trouble. That would be less "cruft" to retain in the repo -- and it leads to less confusion. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBID-00037A-55 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:52:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBIB-000371-I7 - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:52:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBI9-00036l-QA - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:52:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYBI9-00036i-MH - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:52:49 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.64] (helo=mail244.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYBQU-0000WI-FS - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:01:26 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail244.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9D0qE6A010218; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:52:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:51:39 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: RE: Google Repos +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman Alfredo, @@ -13547,52 +8459,10 @@ trying to use SVN with the https/webdav protocol... Anyway any reports of success or failure checking out or committing to the Google repository would be very useful. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBXh-0000ca-Fx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:08:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBXf-0000bZ-PB - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:08:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBXe-0000b7-O9 - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:08:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYBXe-0000b3-Fz - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:08:50 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYBfz-0004pz-6f - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:17:27 -0400 -Received: from spaceape11.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape11.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.145]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k9D18f0P009113 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:08:41 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=oDW95Wu1C8nmryOFj8ec7ejrjxz3s2pDaxZEHM/8p4XQgpP+YWTEwI9wjOA8JJKvT - Id1SobwVs1jxWyI8QZw8Q== -Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nfcq29.prod.google.com [10.48.118.29]) - by spaceape11.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k9D16b2l028981 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:08:39 +0100 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so750892nfc - for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr2960788hue; - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.16 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:08:39 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <001701c6ee61$cd3ad0a0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list +From: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Google Repos On 10/12/06, Bill Page wrote: @@ -13617,49 +8487,11 @@ traffic, than a problem with subversion itself. I had no problems checking out a working copy of your Google repository, all 165MB of it. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBdB-0006Ks-J0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:14:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBd9-0006Gn-9n - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:14:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYBd8-0006Em-9c - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:14:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYBd7-0006E8-S2 - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:14:29 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYBlS-0005x3-Sh - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:23:07 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9D1EBlk024170 - for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:14:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15670 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 01:14:04 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Jay Belanger; 13 Oct 2006 01:14:04 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9D14gX16331; - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:04:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:04:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list > > Does this mean that the Axiom sources are available from Google? > > (I have been unable to use svn to check out from the silver repository @@ -13672,47 +8504,13 @@ My attempt to check out this code fails with: svn: PROPFIND request failed on /p/axiom/source svn: PROPFIND of '/p/axiom/source': 400 Bad Request (http://code.google.com) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYChS-0000bz-86 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:23:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYChQ-0000au-PM - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:23:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYChO-0000Z1-V4 - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:22:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYChO-0000Yx-NA - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:22:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.227] (helo=S1.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYCpk-0005sT-Fm - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:31:36 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [69.92.109.183]) - by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 77968193 - for multiple; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:22:50 -0700 +Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:22:47 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Tim Daly Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request -From: Jay Belanger - <024a01c6e88f$51111840$6900a8c0@asus> - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <200610130104.k9D14gX16331@localhost.localdomain> -Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:22:47 -0500 - of "Thu\, 12 Oct 2006 21\:04\:42 -0400") -Cc: list - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: ... >> http://code.google.com/p/axiom/source > @@ -13724,37 +8522,12 @@ root Tim Daly writes: I've had no problem with # svn checkout http://axiom.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ axiom -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYCvf-0002Ir-Og - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:37:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYCve-0002Ii-R2 - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:37:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYCve-0002IO-7T - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:37:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYCve-0002IL-1p - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:37:42 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.28] (helo=mail208.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYD3z-0007dx-Ty - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:46:20 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail208.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9D2bFBE018703; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:37:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +\start Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:36:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'William Stein' , list, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: RE: Conference +Cc: William Stein Alfredo, @@ -13889,51 +8662,11 @@ But perhaps that is a good thing since we should soon have the new version of the CD which includes Sage support in the Doyen wiki. Right? :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYDjr-0006sH-3F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:29:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYDjp-0006rG-6c - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:29:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYDjl-0006oe-Ku - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:29:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYDjl-0006oH-8P - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:29:29 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.238] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYDs7-00065C-Cg - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:38:07 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1049494wxc - for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:29:28 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=TlWX6Ou9mgD5iZG5E3IIi47I31IrIzU/QtXRYPlkgqpOpzlyy0pNBey5hfmSZw8upa7A1iklnJynr+klSuIT6uHCQ/cCtdV5IjVuuZrdylKSNA3jRYza8J7ino6BoOej5FbMUcVnHD67piBBkUlHNdXzrjR0EdPEzgZjeWf7GOM= -Received: by 10.90.81.14 with SMTP id e14mr1875253agb; - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:29:28 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:29:28 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Jay Belanger -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <200610130104.k9D14gX16331@localhost.localdomain> - <874pu9hs3s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request Doing: @@ -13954,7 +8687,7 @@ Alfredo On 10/12/06, Jay Belanger wrote: > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > ... > >> http://code.google.com/p/axiom/source > > @@ -13965,52 +8698,15 @@ On 10/12/06, Jay Belanger wrote: > > I've had no problem with > # svn checkout http://axiom.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ axiom -> -> Jay -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYEBe-0003Qa-IW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:58:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYEBd-0003QV-Au - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:58:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYEBb-0003Pf-6p - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:58:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYEBb-0003Pc-2Y - for list; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:58:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYEJx-0001gX-JB - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:06:53 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AC64163B; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:58:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9D3sikj023694; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:54:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9D3sisi023693; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:54:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Google Repos -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Oct 2006 05:54:44 +0200 -Cc: 'Ben Collins-Sussman' , list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Google Repos +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -14023,44 +8719,15 @@ know what I'm doing. I'm pretty sure I'll confuse people and confuse myself, which probably is why I would prefer "one master" repo, and others act as mirror. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYEI6-00065I-6O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:04:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYEI4-00064x-D7 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:04:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYEI0-00064N-RP - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:04:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYEI0-00064K-MG - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:04:52 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.233] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYEQN-0002wE-AC - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:13:31 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1057447wxc - for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=uRs+h7AWG1YY4sXYbQk0EzC5yrNRj7YB3GxGvJ0+uFqhF+gpPaR0H35WnuAWIGJ2Samrl9vQCdiNpFsGE9W529l0CKD76BxFxzp4KXJ+VDP5VfdUqBv0Ojc6NpCVAcr3CSoMJfdjo51pPeS6VQff1IS4hSeT0gLs+ZdMtt28Gs8= -Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr1889862agc; - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:04:51 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Google Repos - -Cc: list On 13 Oct 2006 05:54:44 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -14076,48 +8743,17 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: I think the idea of a master repo and mirrors is good. The question is which one should be the master repo??? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYFBm-0003GS-7c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:02:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYFBh-0003De-Rl - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:02:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYFBe-0003Cm-JY - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:02:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYFBd-0003CZ-HX - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:02:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYFK0-0002RJ-G1 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:11:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA3A4166A; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:02:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9D4wox3024623; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:58:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9D4wotR024622; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:58:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 13 Oct 2006 06:58:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Google Repos - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Oct 2006 06:58:50 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: | On 13 Oct 2006 05:54:44 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | > | > [...] | > @@ -14152,46 +8788,13 @@ my real argument for making SF repo the master. I don't see how that solves Tim's issue. Now, I'm starting seeing the value of the master repo being at axiom-developer.org ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYFzs-0003Eb-Oc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:54:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYFzr-0003Cw-20 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:54:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYFzp-0003BT-5J - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:54:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYFzp-0003BC-1T - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:54:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYG8C-0003iK-9S - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:02:52 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6A841661; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:54:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9D5ogXV025055; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:50:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9D5ogYK025054; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:50:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Oct 2006 07:50:41 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: depsys -Tim -- - I have a question about a difference in "load" behaviour bewteen a clean lisp image (GCL), and depsys (and any image derived from it). @@ -14245,149 +8848,31 @@ Here is an excerpt of a ssession that reproduces the problem. Error signalled by EVAL. Broken at APPLY. Type :H for Help. - -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYGI9-0003xg-LA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:13:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYGI8-0003xX-CQ - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:13:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYGI6-0003xF-O7 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:13:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYGI6-0003x3-LF - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:13:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYGQU-0006yH-Po - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:21:46 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9D6CqUd005546 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:12:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27177 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 06:12:53 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Jay Belanger; 13 Oct 2006 06:12:53 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9D63YM16488; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:03:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:03:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes - (Alfredo Portes) -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <200610130104.k9D14gX16331@localhost.localdomain> - <874pu9hs3s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request the checkout worked for me also, once i used the correct repository path. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYGRj-0003Nr-NT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:19:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request - <944683b40610061542w5663008jd69cd63b4131c991@mail.gmail.com> - <20061006191013.b6gydg66xa0wgsw4@webmail.anikast.ca> - - <20061006210726.9p3atez5t5sk8k8k@webmail.anikast.ca> - <944683b40610091113v4929a0edu8c655d9706dad4e2@mail.gmail.com> - <87lknohv9s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <20061010145914.zy5sl3729pgkgkwc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <200610130104.k9D14gX16331@localhost.localdomain> - <874pu9hs3s.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - - <200610130603.k9D63YM16488@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:19:27 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Disk-quota Request -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | the checkout worked for me also, once i used the correct repository path. this moment must be celebrated :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYGko-0003Br-W7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:39:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:39:07 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:39:07 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14423,39 +8908,12 @@ NIL So, it looks like some code effectively called the "real" load with the wrong prefix. --- gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYM32-00007C-34 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:21:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYM2z-0008SW-OC - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:21:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYM2w-0008Ii-2D - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:21:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYM2v-0008IO-Kq - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:21:49 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.224] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYMBM-0004gH-Sy - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:30:33 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1163726wxc - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=NUErNan44Kal/hDe9RYVIKo2aLOoNsZWCIgBz6xFM/hv16Tan+EM7Z17fQZ5Zzu6pia7qIACXefR4c5bN7mbGfTmyIEZXDx0PVihsZobabDThmhsPtWpQnGbYiA4GMVaHktvSe02ThSkHpQSM+zULvDYJRqVs2P5Zl/fJAulyQs= -Received: by 10.90.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr2086749agb; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:21:48 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: axiom-dev -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman +To: list Subject: Sourceforge-Google +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman >Another issue has been to checkout from sourceforge from a windows >box. Repeated attempts failed every time. I will try this for Google. @@ -14500,30 +8958,10 @@ Please let me know if anyone can reproduce this. PS: Sorry Ben to include you in this email. Just in case you have any idea on this problem. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYMy0-00078n-1K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:20:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYMxx-00077q-GM - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:20:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYMxt-00076f-M5 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:20:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYMxt-00076c-Gz - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:20:41 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYN6L-0002Cq-KN - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:29:25 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYMxN-00005i-00 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:20:09 +0200 -To: list Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:20:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: build-improvements and noweb version 181 again broke build without noweb. The following change @@ -14546,52 +8984,12 @@ Index: Makefile.pamphlet @ echo 2 Environment ${ENV} @ $(MAKE) stamp-rootdirs - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYNsb-00031T-Cz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:19:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYNsZ-000312-Ou - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:19:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYNsV-0002zl-3G - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:19:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYNsU-0002zi-Uk - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:19:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.239.33.17] (helo=smtp-out.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYO0x-0000fN-El - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:27:55 -0400 -Received: from spaceape9.eur.corp.google.com (spaceape9.eur.corp.google.com - [172.28.16.143]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id k9DEJ4oh019016 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:19:04 +0100 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to: - mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: - content-disposition:references; - b=KVFDPftrwX8Fbpy6WN1waUGmqBcsyfo26flfC/s98YAu9dRAQmkIoDpRfHtAbP/7h - VDnHvWyc+uf367xjO7LVw== -Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ugcj30.prod.google.com [10.66.111.30]) - by spaceape9.eur.corp.google.com with ESMTP id k9DEIX2M006248 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:19:04 +0100 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j30so468731ugc - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:19:04 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr3715107huf; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:19:03 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.78.152.16 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:19:03 -0700 (PDT) +\start Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:19:03 -0500 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: Sourceforge-Google +Cc: list On 10/13/06, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -14635,30 +9033,10 @@ the directory can happily exist on win32. Either have a unix person delete redundant files (are POLY.pht and poly.pht identical?), or rename them. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYPJW-0007vy-Sd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:51:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYPJT-0007sk-UV - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:51:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYPJP-0007lG-22 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:51:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYPJO-0007kz-Jz - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:51:02 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYPRs-0000hy-1v - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:59:48 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYPIu-0000K6-00 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:50:32 +0200 -To: list Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:50:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Broken hypertex Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that hypertex is broken: @@ -14692,45 +9070,11 @@ gcl foreign function interface. I have seen this behaviour on two different machines, one 32-bit Athlon, another 64-bit Athlon, both using gcl bundled with Axiom. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYQJY-0000Wp-5v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:55:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYQJW-0000Rq-Bi - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:55:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYQJR-0000Fk-DP - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:55:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYQJR-0000FL-69 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:55:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYQRu-0000wJ-W0 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:03:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968F440F81; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:55:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9DGpbWY004230; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:51:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9DGpboT004229; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:51:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:51:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and noweb -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:51:37 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -14744,42 +9088,11 @@ Your fix is OK to install. Please add an explanation in the pamphlet stressing that core build utils (e.g. noweb) need to be built before walking down other sub-directories, hence the dependency. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYQKQ-0002VY-O2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:56:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYQKO-0002QR-SN - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:56:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYQKK-0002Eo-Oj - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:56:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYQKK-0002EG-9r - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:56:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYQSo-00014W-3A - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:04:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEFA4F3DD; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:55:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9DGqWSs004234; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:52:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9DGqWYv004233; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:52:32 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:52:32 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Oct 2006 18:52:32 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -14787,33 +9100,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Is that reproducible with silver? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYRsv-0004hd-SK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:35:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYRsu-0004e6-Av - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:35:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYRss-0004a3-A7 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:35:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYRsr-0004Zd-TC - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:35:50 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYS1M-0006EI-QQ - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:44:37 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYRsH-00087b-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:13 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and noweb -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements and noweb +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Your fix is OK to install. Please add an explanation in the pamphlet > stressing that core build utils (e.g. noweb) need to be built before @@ -14824,44 +9116,11 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Commited --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYSni-0002BS-78 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:34:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYSng-00028R-Mx - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:34:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYSnc-000201-M1 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:34:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYSnc-0001zf-Ef - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:34:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYSw8-00067o-66 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:43:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8FD4F399; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:34:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9DJUtXm008245; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:30:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9DJUtq3008244; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:30:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 13 Oct 2006 21:30:55 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and noweb -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Oct 2006 21:30:55 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -14876,40 +9135,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Thank you! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYUs5-0004nQ-2N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:47:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYUs3-0004jQ-1v - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:47:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYUs1-0004es-2U - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:47:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYUs0-0004eQ-Pk - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:47:08 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYV0X-0006mL-Pd - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:55:57 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1381869wxc - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:47:08 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=fTY3TbjlQX/s+jNIw9nxSUQDo1yIh3NUYfyVOTFjSuwE2hQi76DKCj9JanS1DlI10DHQ44tmqJleoQrSqD9ingbhbYs2x86yV+12JvUYn4AaDv5ewvYk7Pbz5qG+57UG1lVYwKo2qlQkTgZPDhOC4Rb567JhbF/JR0UAhXLgMyI= -Received: by 10.90.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr2861880agz; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:47:08 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:47:08 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" - <944683b40610130719u27d322e9rab275b1796510791@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: Re: Sourceforge-Google +Cc: list > > Now, a checkout of Google trunk I get this other error: > > @@ -14940,31 +9171,11 @@ Thank you Ben. Tim, can this be done without breaking something on Axiom? The two files appear to be different. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVQW-0007i3-Mr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:22:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVQU-0007cN-Dz - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:22:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVQS-0007Vz-3e - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:22:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYVQR-0007Vm-WB - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:22:44 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYVYz-0003Tz-Aj - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:31:33 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYVPZ-0001vF-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:49 +0200 -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:49 +0200 (CEST) +To: Gabriel Dos Reis From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -14977,44 +9188,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with gcl-2.6.7 the problem went away. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVd2-0006qG-NW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:35:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVd0-0006oY-BO - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:35:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVcx-0006mh-5W - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:35:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYVcw-0006me-V8 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:35:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYVlU-0004lJ-9x - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:44:28 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D66340F60; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:35:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9DMW6tb012191; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:32:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9DMW69D012190; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:32:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 14 Oct 2006 00:32:06 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 00:32:06 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15035,45 +9213,14 @@ We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but I'm not sure, that the socket interface may have changed from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8pre. Bill? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVeR-0007hR-AJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:37:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVeP-0007eu-Ks - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:37:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYVeM-0007d6-3j - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:37:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYVeM-0007d3-0y - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:37:06 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYVmt-0004tz-Gm - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:45:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8684F3BF; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:36:50 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9DMXXv8012195; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:33:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9DMXXJp012194; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:33:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Conference -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Oct 2006 00:33:33 +0200 -Cc: 'William Stein' , list, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Conference +Cc: William Stein -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Alfredo, | @@ -15110,37 +9257,11 @@ Hey, you should be more kind to Tim and others :-) is that what padic.spad and spadiclib.spad touch? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYWGh-00034h-Q8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:16:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYWGf-00031W-0z - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:16:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYWGb-0002yI-Vk - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:16:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYWGb-0002xz-H9 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:16:37 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYWP8-0004NH-Pi - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:25:27 -0400 -Received: from [86.207.117.28] (ALille-251-1-104-28.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - [86.207.117.28]) - by mwinf1904.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EE0A21C0008C; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:16:05 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Alfredo Portes - <944683b40610130719u27d322e9rab275b1796510791@mail.gmail.com> - Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:15:23 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google Le vendredi 13 octobre 2006 =E0 17:47 -0400, Alfredo Portes a =E9crit : @@ -15152,15 +9273,15 @@ Le vendredi 13 octobre 2006 =E0 17:47 -0400, Alfredo Portes a =E9crit : > > win32 filesystems which are case-insensitive. The two files simply > > cannot coexist in the same directory on windows... windows considers > > them to be the same file. ->=20 +> > Thank you Ben. ->=20 +> > > You need to clean up the files in that repository directory, so that > > the directory can happily exist on win32. Either have a unix perso= n > > delete redundant files (are POLY.pht and poly.pht identical?), or > > rename them. ->=20 +> > Tim, can this be done without breaking something on Axiom? The two > files appear to be different. @@ -15175,54 +9296,11 @@ This (the X11 issue) is exactly what is needed to "merge" Axiom for Windows and the main branch (i.e. drop the Windows branch). Some other _small_ changes will eventually be needed. -Greg - - ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYWj8-0000o1-Ri - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:46:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYWj6-0000mo-Iv - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:46:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYWj5-0000mb-S2 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:46:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYWj5-0000mY-QI - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:46:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYWrd-0002zP-Tf - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:54:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFCA40E38; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:46:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9DNgVAW013209; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:42:33 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9DNgVux013208; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:42:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google - <944683b40610130719u27d322e9rab275b1796510791@mail.gmail.com> - - <1160781323.2820.62.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 14 Oct 2006 01:41:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: @@ -15235,55 +9313,31 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: I'm not aware of those "small" changes; please could you tell me more about those? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXFN-0007Ma-GO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXFM-0007J1-2h - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXFJ-0007CH-VJ - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYXFJ-0007C3-R0 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:21 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYXNs-0007Ia-7h - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:28:12 -0400 -Received: from [86.207.117.28] (ALille-251-1-104-28.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - [86.207.117.28]) - by mwinf1912.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3E2BC1C00088; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:19:01 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:18:24 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 00:32 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 +> > | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> | >=20 +> | > > | > | Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that hypertex is b= roken: -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Is that reproducible with silver? -> | >=20 -> |=20 +> | > +> | > | Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with gcl-2.6.7 the probl= em > | went away. ->=20 +> > Interesting. ->=20 +> > We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but I'm not sure, > that the socket interface may have changed from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8pre. @@ -15304,9 +9358,9 @@ BOOT>si::*gcl-extra-version* 8 ~> it's gcl-2.6.8 -=20 + The output of =AB "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for individual -routines" =BB is=20 +routines" =BB is There is no constructor matching pattern "Nag*" @@ -15316,40 +9370,20 @@ too. It comes from a "Debian stable" package (with a little modification (see the end of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries)). Camm can you look at this issue (forget the wiki bug), I did not report this as a bug on the BTS, it seems to me that I'm alone. I can report it if -you can reproduce it.=20 +you can reproduce it. Greg -=20 + PS : I'm really tired it's 2:18 in France, if this is not understandable ask me I will try to elaborate tomorrow. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXUe-0001AS-LM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXUd-00017x-GV - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXUb-000147-V3 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYXUb-00013R-L7 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:09 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYXdA-0000ui-96 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:44:00 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYXU5-0008Qe-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:34:37 +0200 -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:34:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15378,70 +9412,36 @@ apparently gcl passes pointer to a copy. Code to pass strings (in lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/cmpaux.c) changed slightly compared to gcl-2.6.7, so maybe this is the reason. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXZA-0002rj-Sp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:39:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXZ9-0002rS-TS - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:39:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXZ8-0002qt-BT - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:39:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYXZ8-0002qn-2u - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:39:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYXhg-0001Sz-Lu - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:48:40 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174C040ED9; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:39:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9E0aHpT013848; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:36:20 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9E0aHrg013847; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:36:17 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex - - <1160785104.2820.99.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 14 Oct 2006 02:36:17 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 00:32 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -| >=20 +| > | > | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -| > | >=20 +| > | > | > | > | Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that hypertex is b= roken: -| > | >=20 +| > | > | > | > Is that reproducible with silver? -| > | >=20 -| > |=20 +| > | > +| > | | > | Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with gcl-2.6.7 the probl= em | > | went away. -| >=20 +| > | > Interesting. -| >=20 +| > | > We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but I'm not sure, | > that the socket interface may have changed from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8pre. -|=20 +| | First, do you have installed (make install) Axiom ? yes -- I always use axiom.build-improvements that way :-) @@ -15454,19 +9454,19 @@ yes -- I always use axiom.build-improvements that way :-) | I do not install Axiom. If this mail is unrelated to your issue after | these tests or if you do not understand it, forget this mail and sorry | for the inconvenience. -|=20 +| | So with my version of Gold (the last) | " -|=20 +| | BOOT>si::*gcl-extra-version* -|=20 +| | 8 -|=20 +| | ~> it's gcl-2.6.8 -|=20=20 +| | The output of =AB "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for individual -| routines" =BB is=20 -|=20 +| routines" =BB is +| | There is no constructor matching pattern "Nag*" I can reproduce that behaviour with the build-improvement branch (I'm @@ -15478,11 +9478,11 @@ It would seem like that is not windows-specific issue then. | (see the end of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries)). Camm | can you look at this issue (forget the wiki bug), I did not report this | as a bug on the BTS, it seems to me that I'm alone. I can report it if -| you can reproduce it.=20 -|=20 -|=20 +| you can reproduce it. +| +| | Greg -|=20=20 +| | PS : I'm really tired it's 2:18 in France, if this is not understandable | ask me I will try to elaborate tomorrow. @@ -15491,69 +9491,43 @@ I tend to work very late, almost in the central timezone. Now that I'm in central timezone, I feel like I work in western Europe timezone, except when I don't because of daytime job :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXnn-0007Ch-7R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:54:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXnl-0007An-Bs - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:54:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXnj-00078b-K4 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:54:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYXnj-000788-4E - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:54:55 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYXwH-0003sC-MV - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:03:45 -0400 -Received: from [86.207.117.28] (ALille-251-1-104-28.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr - [86.207.117.28]) - by mwinf1907.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1C8611C00091; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:54:32 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - - <1160785104.2820.99.camel@ellipse> - Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:53:56 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 02:36 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > | Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 00:32 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit= : > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> | >=20 +> | > > | > | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> | > | >=20 +> | > | > > | > | > | Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that hypertex = is broken: -> | > | >=20 +> | > | > > | > | > Is that reproducible with silver? -> | > | >=20 -> | > |=20 +> | > | > +> | > | > | > | Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with gcl-2.6.7 the p= roblem > | > | went away. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Interesting. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but I'm not sur= e, > | > that the socket interface may have changed from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8pre. -> |=20 +> | > | First, do you have installed (make install) Axiom ? ->=20 +> > yes -- I always use axiom.build-improvements that way :-) ->=20 +> > | If no (or may be > | yes, I have never tested), there are two files named util.ht in the > | sources, Tim is working on them, try the twos (try the other one i.e. @@ -15565,30 +9539,30 @@ ce > | these tests or if you do not understand it, forget this mail and sorr= y > | for the inconvenience. -> |=20 +> | > | So with my version of Gold (the last) > | " -> |=20 +> | > | BOOT>si::*gcl-extra-version* -> |=20 +> | > | 8 -> |=20 +> | > | ~> it's gcl-2.6.8 -> | =20 +> | > | The output of =AB "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for individua= l -> | routines" =BB is=20 -> |=20 +> | routines" =BB is +> | > | There is no constructor matching pattern "Nag*" ->=20 +> > I can reproduce that behaviour with the build-improvement branch (I'm > using system-installed GCL-2.6.7). This is on i686-suse-linux. > It would seem like that is not windows-specific issue then. ->=20 +> > | I have this output with Axiom Version: Axiom 3.0 Beta (February 2005) > | too. It comes from a "Debian stable" package (with a little modificat= ion -> | (see the end of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries)).=20 +> | (see the end of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries)). Hmm... I forgot to say that this version use GCL-2.6.6 (this was the @@ -15602,50 +9576,15 @@ Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible license Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. - AXIOM Computer Algebra System=20 + AXIOM Computer Algebra System Version: Axiom 3.0 Beta (February 2005) - Timestamp: Monday March 21, 2005 at 01:36:09=20 - - - - -Greg - - - + Timestamp: Monday March 21, 2005 at 01:36:09 \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXrf-0007Xq-7k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:58:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXrd-0007UY-Hw - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:58:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYXrd-0007TG-1B - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:58:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYXrc-0007Sy-SX - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:58:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYY0B-0004ZD-JZ - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:07:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC3440F09; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:58:53 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9E0tOMb014119; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:55:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9E0tOOW014118; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:55:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 02:55:23 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 02:55:23 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15684,56 +9623,34 @@ conference call. It is important that as we work on "fixing" things, we do clearly understand what we are fixing. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYY2b-0005UA-DF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:10:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYY2Z-0005Tm-SZ - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:10:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYY2Z-0005TW-5y - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:10:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYY2Z-0005TQ-0y - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:10:15 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYYB7-0005tX-PM - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:19:06 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYY21-0001O2-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:09:41 +0200 -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:09:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex [ Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, converting... ] > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 ? 00:32 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> >=20 +> > > > | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> > | >=20 +> > | > > > | > | Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that hypertex is b= roken: -> > | >=20 +> > | > > > | > Is that reproducible with silver? -> > | >=20 -> > |=20 +> > | > +> > | > > | Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with gcl-2.6.7 the probl= em > > | went away. -> >=20 +> > > > Interesting. -> >=20 +> > > > We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but I'm not sure, > > that the socket interface may have changed from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8pre. ->=20 +> > First, do you have installed (make install) Axiom ? If no (or may be > yes, I have never tested), there are two files named util.ht in the > sources, Tim is working on them, try the twos (try the other one i.e. @@ -15742,71 +9659,38 @@ em > I do not install Axiom. If this mail is unrelated to your issue after > these tests or if you do not understand it, forget this mail and sorry > for the inconvenience. ->=20 +> > So with my version of Gold (the last) > " ->=20 +> > BOOT>si::*gcl-extra-version* ->=20 +> > 8 ->=20 +> > ~> it's gcl-2.6.8 -> =20 +> > The output of ? "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for individual -> routines" ? is=20 ->=20 +> routines" ? is +> > There is no constructor matching pattern "Nag*" > This I consider as "normal" output. For me the browser just freezes. I should add that I chose this page because it is the shortest path -to freeze the browser -- I can freeze it an another pages (which=20 -in earlier versions work fine).=20 +to freeze the browser -- I can freeze it an another pages (which +in earlier versions work fine). -Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is=20 +Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. In particular the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/cmpaux.c is like gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre is different. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYYKQ-0004T8-Fk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:28:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYYKO-0004SU-92 - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:28:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYYKM-0004SH-JL - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:28:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYYKM-0004SE-Be - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:28:38 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYYSt-00087I-BU - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:37:29 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9E1SBpX032018 - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:28:23 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19882 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 01:28:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 14 Oct 2006 01:28:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9E1Im117416; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:18:48 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:18:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alejandro Jakubi - Alejandro Jakubi on Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:45:12 -0300) -Cc: list, jgerhard@maplsoft.com Subject: Re: doyen +Cc: Jurgen Gerhard The list mailing list is the best forum for this discussion. I've taken the liberty of copying your questions @@ -15824,11 +9708,6 @@ It has not been updated because it has still not been realized. There are several efforts working toward the goal and the goal is slowly shifting as more ideas come together (e.g. Sage). - - - - - > and later on, I have been found some more information distributed in several > places like: > @@ -16131,10 +10010,6 @@ The wiki requires a local web server and a fair amount of coordination. In addition, the wiki needs to know how to pass information into and collect information from various systems. - - - - I understand your disappointment but frankly I think the issue is more related to your expectations than to the reality. I'm amazed at the amount of work, the quality of the work, and the synergy of @@ -16149,43 +10024,12 @@ Try to keep your eyes on the 30 year horizon and ignore the short term issues as they will be solved eventually. (Harder to do than it looks when there is a broken system in front of me :-)) -Tim Daly - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYZ9z-0004Dv-Nx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:21:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYZ9y-0004Dp-Ts - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:21:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYZ9x-0004Dd-TE - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:21:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYZ9x-0004Da-OT - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:21:57 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.235] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYZIX-0006ZA-Cm - for list; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:30:49 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1448011wxc - for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:21:56 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=R03xl4Us3ItolCgQ1BcS3lWVxS+ts2oa1xiid+PL+ScWL1db5/O2ZLC8/ZpeSKiMV4a1bqvCmfbs81TRSJTcVyTu9R6Z6dqIAOfzRl27eonndCjYn2nE2xENoCJ5IWjuFWTXfjou1m/Ic/2XPhoyfrBzezotuDhwxM9VlQ3Nmh0= -Received: by 10.90.54.4 with SMTP id c4mr2895826aga; - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:21:56 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:21:56 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly Subject: re: doyen - <200610140118.k9E1Im117416@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Alejandro Jakubi, list, jgerhard@maplsoft.com +Cc: Alejandro Jakubi, Jurgen Gerhard Alejandro, @@ -16257,41 +10101,11 @@ amount of systems grow. If you would like to contribute to the project, just let me know. -Thank you very much, - -Alfredo Portes - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYb7n-0005ip-W1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:27:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYb7m-0005ij-8P - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:27:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYb7j-0005ht-MQ - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:27:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYb7j-0005hq-FT - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:27:47 -0400 -Received: from [68.230.240.38] (helo=eastrmmtao01.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYbGK-0006EF-Bs - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:36:40 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20061014042747.TYNN13289.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:27:47 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id a4TC1V00E3wCxUe0000000 - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:27:13 -0400 +\start +Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:26:13 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: re: doyen -Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:26:13 -0400 - <200610140118.k9E1Im117416@localhost.localdomain> - charset="iso-8859-15" Cc: Alejandro Jakubi On Friday 13 October 2006 21:18, root wrote: @@ -16424,52 +10238,27 @@ Axiom's design gives me hope for this goal - it appears to be designed generally enough that it can scale. But there are many years of work ahead to make it a well documented and robust system. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYh8e-0005zl-5Z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:53:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYh8c-0005z8-0W - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:53:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYh8a-0005yI-0b - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:53:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYh8Z-0005y6-JD - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:53:03 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYhHD-0001bg-Tb - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:02:00 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.222.118] (ALille-251-1-60-118.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.222.118]) - by mwinf1906.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 105C51C00085; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:53:02 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:53:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : -[...]=20 -> > =20 +[...] +> > > > The output of ? "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for individual -> > routines" ? is=20 -> >=20 +> > routines" ? is +> > > > There is no constructor matching pattern "Nag*" > > ->=20 +> > This I consider as "normal" output. For me the browser just freezes. > I should add that I chose this page because it is the shortest path -> to freeze the browser -- I can freeze it an another pages (which=20 -> in earlier versions work fine).=20 ->=20 -> Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is=20 +> to freeze the browser -- I can freeze it an another pages (which +> in earlier versions work fine). +> +> Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is > different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. In particular > the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/cmpaux.c is like > gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre is different. @@ -16477,44 +10266,11 @@ Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this mailing list but writing directly to him would be a good idea. -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlHW-0004ER-G2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:18:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlHU-0004CI-67 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:18:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlHT-0004BS-3x - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:18:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYlHS-0004BG-Aj - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:18:30 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYlQ9-0004AO-C7 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:27:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102F14F3F2; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:18:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EFEp26021812; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:14:57 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EFEppR021781; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:14:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 17:14:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 17:14:50 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16602,38 +10358,11 @@ I have trouble understading why a variable named "current-directory" would point to something that is not the current directory, and duplicate the role of $spadroot. -Tim? - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlfc-00042V-7f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlfa-00041Y-NX - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlfY-0003zr-Nk - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYlfY-0003ze-9q - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:24 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.132] (helo=mail12c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYloF-0000F5-Jl - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:52:23 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail12c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9EFgv9C012785; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:13 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: depsys Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:42:24 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: depsys On October 14, 2006 11:15 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -16659,47 +10388,22 @@ I think that the dependency on the $AXIOM environment variable should be removed and the expected behaviour restored. This variable is an unnecesary complication and source of error. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYln6-0004hD-La - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:51:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYln5-0004bp-7y - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:51:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYln3-0004YF-TG - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:51:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYln3-0004Xt-OV - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:51:09 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYlvl-0001Jr-4F - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:00:09 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYljO-0002wM-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:47:22 +0200 -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:47:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Camm Maguire > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 ? 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : -> > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is=20 +> > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is > > different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. In particular > > the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/cmpaux.c is like > > gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre is different. ->=20 +> > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this mailing > list but writing directly to him would be a good idea. ->=20 +> To summarize: both gcl-2.6.7 and gcl-2.6.8pre2 pass address of actual data (which is what Axiom expects), gcl-2.6.8pre in build-improvements @@ -16713,45 +10417,11 @@ later). Concerning build-improvements: I can use gcl-2.6.7 when testing hypertex. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlpK-0002Nf-HW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:53:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlpH-0002FC-F3 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:53:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYlpE-00024a-Fw - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:53:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYlpE-00024E-CG - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:53:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYlxv-0001aw-RE - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:02:23 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EFqmmi013453 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:53:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 9119 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 15:52:50 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 14 Oct 2006 15:52:50 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EFhX718150; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:33 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: depsys -Cc: list > > | | Tim -- > > | | @@ -16774,60 +10444,35 @@ Cc: list Come on, Bill. You know how this works. Post a patch. Advocacy is volunteering. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYm9D-0008Jq-H3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:14:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYm9B-0008Dx-3B - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:14:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYm99-0008AW-H4 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:14:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYm98-00089S-Up - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:13:59 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.64] (helo=mail244.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmHq-0006gR-Gw - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:22:58 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail244.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9EGDKAQ030200; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:13:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Broken hypertex Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:12:42 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Broken hypertex +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch On October 13, 2006 8:55 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 +> > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 +> > | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> | >=20 +> | > > | > | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | > | > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> | > | >=20 -> | > | > | Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that=20 +> | > | > +> | > | > | Playing with build-improvements I have noticed that > | > | > | hypertex is broken: -> | > | >=20 +> | > | > > | > | > Is that reproducible with silver? -> | > | >=20 -> | > |=20 -> | > | Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with=20 +> | > | > +> | > | +> | > | Probably no: when I tried build-improvements with > | > | gcl-2.6.7 the problem went away. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Interesting. -> | >=20 -> | > We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but=20 +> | > +> | > We have a case to investigate. I seem to remember, but > | > I'm not sure, that the socket interface may have changed > | > from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8pre. Bill? @@ -16835,7 +10480,7 @@ The change in the socket interface is due only to the better treatment of data types in 2.6.8pre and should not be the source of any functional changes. -> |=20 +> | > | As I wrote in original message the problem seem to be with > | passing strings from Lisp to C functions. AFAICS sockio.lisp. > | pamphlet assumes that it will pass pointer to original string @@ -16846,7 +10491,7 @@ source of any functional changes. I think the change has been quite substantial. See the diff output below. ->=20 +> > I understand your description. I was trying to relate it to a > much bigger picture. I was asking Bill whether that is the > incompatible changes in GCL-2.6.8pre's socket stuff he told me @@ -16854,47 +10499,47 @@ below. No. ->=20 +> > It is important that as we work on "fixing" things, we do > clearly understand what we are fixing. ->=20 +> I agree. I think this thread could benefit by a more explicit reference to the source code. See below. On October 14, 2006 6:53 AM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 +> > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : -> [...]=20 -> > > =20 -> > > The output of ? "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for=20 -> > > individualroutines" ? is=20 -> > >=20 +> [...] +> > > +> > > The output of ? "NAG link" and then on "Browser pages for +> > > individualroutines" ? is +> > > > > > There is no constructor matching pattern "Nag*" > > > -> >=20 -> > This I consider as "normal" output. For me the browser=20 +> > +> > This I consider as "normal" output. For me the browser > > just freezes. I should add that I chose this page because it > > is the shortest path to freeze the browser -- I can freeze it -> > an another pages (which in earlier versions work fine).=20 -> >=20 -> > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in=20 +> > an another pages (which in earlier versions work fine). +> > +> > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in > > silver is different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. > > In particular the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/ > > cmpaux.c is like gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre > > is different. ->=20 +> > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this > mailing list but writing directly to him would be a good idea. ->=20 +> I agree. The following line in the diff output below -+ if (x->st.st_dim =3D=3D leng && leng & sizeof(object) ++ if (x->st.st_dim == leng && leng & sizeof(object) should actually read -+ if (x->st.st_dim =3D=3D leng && leng % sizeof(object) ++ if (x->st.st_dim == leng && leng % sizeof(object) Regards, Bill Page. @@ -16924,22 +10569,22 @@ $ diff -au ~/repository/axiom--main--1/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/cmpaux.c \ +fixnum +object_to_fixnum(object x) +{ -+ fixnum i=3D0; ++ fixnum i=0; + + switch (type_of(x)) { + case t_character: -+ i =3D char_code(x); break; ++ i = char_code(x); break; + case t_fixnum: -+ i =3D fix(x); break; ++ i = fix(x); break; + case t_bignum: -+ i =3D number_to_double(x); ++ i = number_to_double(x); + break; + case t_ratio: -+ i =3D number_to_double(x); break; ++ i = number_to_double(x); break; + case t_shortfloat: -+ i =3D sf(x); break; ++ i = sf(x); break; + case t_longfloat: -+ i =3D lf(x); break; ++ i = lf(x); break; + default: + FEerror("~S cannot be coerce to a C int.", 1, x); + } @@ -16961,36 +10606,36 @@ $ diff -au ~/repository/axiom--main--1/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/cmpaux.c \ + long np; + char *res; + - if (type_of(x)!=3Dt_string) FEwrong_type_argument(sLstring,x); - leng=3D x->st.st_fillp; + if (type_of(x)!=t_string) FEwrong_type_argument(sLstring,x); + leng= x->st.st_fillp; /* user has thoughtfully provided a null terminated string ! */ -- if (leng > 0 && leng < x->st.st_dim && x->st.st_self[leng]=3D=3D0) -+ if (leng > 0 && leng < x->st.st_dim && x->st.st_self[leng]=3D=3D0) +- if (leng > 0 && leng < x->st.st_dim && x->st.st_self[leng]==0) ++ if (leng > 0 && leng < x->st.st_dim && x->st.st_self[leng]==0) return x->st.st_self; -- if (x->st.st_dim =3D=3D leng +- if (x->st.st_dim == leng - && ( leng % sizeof(object)) - ) -- { x->st.st_self[leng] =3D 0; +- { x->st.st_self[leng] = 0; - return x->st.st_self; - } - else -- {char *res=3Dmalloc(leng+1); +- {char *res=malloc(leng+1); - bcopy(x->st.st_self,res,leng); -- res[leng]=3D0; +- res[leng]=0; - return res; - }} -+ np=3Dpage(x->st.st_self); -+ if (x->st.st_dim =3D=3D leng && leng & sizeof(object) -+ && npst.st_self[leng] =3D 0; ++ np=page(x->st.st_self); ++ if (x->st.st_dim == leng && leng & sizeof(object) ++ && npst.st_self[leng] = 0; + return x->st.st_self; + } + -+ res=3Dmalloc(leng+1); ++ res=malloc(leng+1); + bcopy(x->st.st_self,res,leng); -+ res[leng]=3D0; ++ res[leng]=0; + return res; + +} @@ -16999,36 +10644,11 @@ type_map[np]=3D=3Dt_contiguous)) { [page@axiom-developer o]$ - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmBN-0002uD-Hy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmBL-0002sv-Rl - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmBJ-0002ps-4e - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmBI-0002pn-To - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:12 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmK0-0006xq-MI - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:25:12 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9EGFpRb004391; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:15:17 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: depsys -Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:15:17 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Tim, @@ -17048,48 +10668,13 @@ On October 14, 2006 11:44 AM you wrote: :-) I am glad you think this change is a good idea. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmIr-0008QB-Fe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:24:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmIp-0008OD-R2 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:24:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmIp-0008Nb-2b - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:23:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmIo-0008NV-Sf - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:23:58 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmRW-0008AZ-NI - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:32:58 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE85240F56; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:23:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EGKO6Z023166; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:20:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EGKOvN023165; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:20:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 18:20:24 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 18:20:24 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > > | | Tim -- | > > | | @@ -17118,111 +10703,50 @@ I have been asking for help on the semantics, but so far my quest only meets silence. I believe you understand that part of the system, so it would be very helpful if you could share what you know what it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmLq-0005AD-Gl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:27:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmLp-00057R-DC - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:27:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmLn-00050c-Ls - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:27:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmLn-00050G-Gj - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:27:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmUV-0008TF-8b - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:36:03 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7721C41098; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:27:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EGNTgX023170; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:23:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EGNTP3023169; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:23:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 18:23:29 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 18:23:29 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire Waldek Hebisch writes: | > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 ? 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : | > > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is= -=20 + | > > different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. In particular | > > the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/cmpaux.c is like | > > gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre is different. -| >=20 +| > | > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this mailing | > list but writing directly to him would be a good idea. -| >=20 -|=20 +| > +| | To summarize: both gcl-2.6.7 and gcl-2.6.8pre2 pass address of actual | data (which is what Axiom expects), gcl-2.6.8pre in build-improvements | copies strings and passes address of the copy (which breaks hypertex | interface). When I change object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre to match | that of gcl-2.6.7 (or gcl-2.6.8pre2) hypertex works. -|=20 +| | Since gcl-2.6.8pre2 seem to be latest gcl version Camm can probably | just do nothing (just remember so that problem is not re-introduced | later). -That is interesting.=20=20 +That is interesting. gcl-2.6.8pre in build-improvements was updated on September 17, 2006 to reflect what was in GCL cvs tree at the time. I don't know when gcl-2.6.8pre2 was made. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmYw-0007v0-Ek - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:40:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmYu-0007rU-Qh - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:40:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmYt-0007oD-1w - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmYs-0007ny-Nt - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:40:34 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmha-0001L9-Io - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:49:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1A4F3F7; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:40:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EGb0tf023391; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:37:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EGb0lB023390; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:37:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Oct 2006 18:37:00 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On October 13, 2006 8:55 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -17282,45 +10806,11 @@ That is good to know; thanks! I just updated my version of gcl-2.6.8pre and saw that the typo is still there. I'll check in a fix later, unless Camm beats me at it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmZy-0000zq-Jp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmZx-0000yc-Jx - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmZv-0000v7-Vj - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmZv-0000uk-Rt - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmic-0001Qc-QY - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:50:39 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EGfP78000966 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:25 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6198 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 16:41:27 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 14 Oct 2006 16:41:27 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EGWBI18201; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:32:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:32:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 14 Oct 2006 18:20:24 +0200) Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > I have been asking for help on the semantics, but so far my quest only > meets silence. I believe you understand that part of the system, @@ -17340,46 +10830,12 @@ equally. i'd answer if i knew and i'd investigate if i can find the time, which i can't. midnight last night was the first sign of "daylight" in my schedule :-) -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmiq-0004I4-QR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:50:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmip-0004GO-IH - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:50:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmin-0004Da-O7 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:50:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmin-0004DX-GT - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:50:49 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmrL-0003rx-Fh - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:59:49 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EGoQDh004533 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:50:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21407 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 16:50:28 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 14 Oct 2006 16:50:28 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EGfBB18229; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:41:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 14 Oct 2006 18:23:29 +0200) Subject: Re: Broken hypertex - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch > I don't know when gcl-2.6.8pre2 was made. @@ -17387,35 +10843,12 @@ from CHANGELOG in Gold: 20060821 tpd lsp/Makefile add gcl-2.6.8pre2 - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmpY-0003wj-6a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:57:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmpW-0003tp-JN - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:57:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYmpV-0003ry-O1 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:57:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYmpV-0003rh-FG - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:57:45 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.132] (helo=mail12c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYmyD-0004xX-9j - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:06:45 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail12c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9EGvH2v025900; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:57:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:56:39 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Conference -Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:56:39 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'William Stein' , list, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com +Cc: William Stein On October 13, 2006 6:34 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -17484,46 +10917,11 @@ such potentially infinite algebraic objects as Streams. This is used as a representation for several different domains of this kind in Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYn2y-0000Xz-Mx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:11:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYn2x-0000WW-BM - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:11:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYn2v-0000Tz-7F - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:11:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYn2u-0000Tt-NL - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:11:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYnBd-0006tW-0O - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:20:37 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EHBV2R013109 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:11:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11579 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 17:11:31 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 14 Oct 2006 17:11:31 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EH24c18257; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:02:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:02:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: depsys -Cc: list > > Come on, Bill. You know how this works. Post a patch. > > Advocacy is volunteering. @@ -17552,45 +10950,12 @@ fundamentally change the field (e.g. CATS). But if you and/or Gaby feel it should be changed, are willing to change it and document it, then yes, it's a good idea :-) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYnVi-0002zW-7E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:41:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYnVg-0002x9-LS - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:41:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYnVf-0002vo-5B - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:41:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYnVf-0002vl-2J - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:41:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYneN-0005sV-FD - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:50:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EHer3N018080 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:41:07 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22709 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 17:40:52 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 14 Oct 2006 17:40:52 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EHVQk18286; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:31:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:31:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes - (Alfredo Portes) Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google - <944683b40610130719u27d322e9rab275b1796510791@mail.gmail.com> - -Cc: sussman@google.com, list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman > > You need to clean up the files in that repository directory, so that > > the directory can happily exist on win32. Either have a unix person @@ -17609,45 +10974,12 @@ one '.' per name, all lower case, less than a small number of characters, etc. we should probably conform to those restrictions. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYnp6-00013A-04 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:01:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYnp3-00010Q-VX - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:01:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYnp1-0000yr-Vr - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:01:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYnp1-0000yL-5G - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:01:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYnxg-0001MF-1F - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:10:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EI1E1W027696 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:01:14 -0400 -Received: (qmail 23906 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 18:01:14 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 14 Oct 2006 18:01:14 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EHpij18311; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:51:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:51:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 14 Oct 2006 18:37:00 +0200) Subject: Re: Broken hypertex - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Waldek Hebisch, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch > | > > | > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this @@ -17670,45 +11002,14 @@ and this line is the same in all three versions. I'm not sure what version of gcl-2.6.8pre you're using. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoCK-0001GI-SU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:25:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoCJ-0001CT-6y - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:25:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoCH-00018Z-IP - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:25:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoCH-00018G-E8 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:25:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoL0-0005zb-E7 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:34:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAD540E4F; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:25:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EILkNq025572; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:21:49 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EILkHc025571; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:21:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Conference -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:21:46 +0200 -Cc: 'William Stein' , list, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Conference +Cc: William Stein -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -17738,45 +11039,13 @@ elaborate here. I just hope that as we work toward making the system more accessible, we would attract more (younger) people to revitalize the projects. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoEh-0004GB-4h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:27:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoEf-0004G6-Io - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:27:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoEd-0004Fu-87 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:27:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoEd-0004Fr-2u - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:27:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoNM-0006MU-2J - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:36:48 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D995D40E38; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:27:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EIOCab025576; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:24:15 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EIOCYA025575; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:24:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:24:12 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141702.k9EH24c18257@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:24:12 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -17787,47 +11056,13 @@ Changing reliance on AXIOM is not a priority for me, but changing the beahviour I'm fighting right now (see my original mail) IS a priority. I don't consider it working. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoHg-000686-VY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:30:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoHf-00065j-9O - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:30:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoHd-00062y-SK - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:30:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoHd-00062W-Fp - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:30:53 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoQM-0006gB-F4 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:39:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483CF40ED6; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:30:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EIRJkP025581; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:27:21 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EIRJeP025580; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:27:19 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:27:19 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:27:19 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > I have been asking for help on the semantics, but so far my quest only | > meets silence. I believe you understand that part of the system, @@ -17856,48 +11091,14 @@ heading to Portland for a week (C++ standards committee meeting). I don't expect to have much time to work on anything other than C++ during that timeframe. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoIa-0007T3-05 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:31:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoIY-0007QY-Bw - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:31:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoIW-0007O7-8h - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:31:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoIW-0007Nt-3u - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:31:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoRF-0006or-44 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:40:49 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F874F3E6; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:31:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EISERA025585; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:28:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EISEaZ025584; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:28:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:28:13 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Broken hypertex - - <200610141641.k9EGfBB18229@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:28:13 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > I don't know when gcl-2.6.8pre2 was made. | @@ -17908,44 +11109,12 @@ root Tim Daly writes: Aha; so the faulty change in gcl-2.6.8pre is much more recent. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoJ3-0008M2-KO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoJ1-0008It-Ns - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoIy-0008BN-SZ - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoIy-0008Aq-Kj - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoRh-0006vZ-Ki - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:41:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EIWFhB009762 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11411 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 18:32:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 14 Oct 2006 18:32:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EIMmG18374; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:22:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:22:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 14 Oct 2006 20:21:46 +0200) Subject: re: Conference - -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wstein@gmail.com +Cc: William Stein > But, some of the issues I have with the project has less to do with > its age than some "management" choices that I believe don't push Axiom @@ -17954,41 +11123,13 @@ Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wstein@gmail.com umm, you're a project "manager". check the sourceforge permissions. anything you feel needs to be done "for more exposure" is yours to do. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoJH-0000I1-93 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoJF-0000FP-Cs - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoJD-0000Cb-QE - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoJD-0000CP-MY - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:32:31 -0400 -Received: from [213.165.64.20] (helo=mail.gmx.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoRw-0006xb-Hf - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:41:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Oct 2006 18:32:29 -0000 -Received: from p549F5D73.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Pupone.local) [84.159.93.115] - by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 14 Oct 2006 20:32:29 +0200 +Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:32:26 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google - <944683b40610130719u27d322e9rab275b1796510791@mail.gmail.com> - - <200610141731.k9EHVQk18286@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:32:26 +0200 - of "Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:31:26 -0400") -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >> > You need to clean up the files in that repository directory, so that >> > the directory can happily exist on win32. Either have a unix person @@ -18018,48 +11159,16 @@ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockridge for details. -Kai - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoPh-0002BR-Et - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:39:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoPf-00026B-AX - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:39:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoPd-0001zT-Gf - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:39:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoPd-0001z6-CG - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:39:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYoYM-0007iC-C4 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:48:10 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35D040F45; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:39:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EIZY19025961; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:35:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EIZY27025960; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:35:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Conference - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:35:34 +0200 -Cc: 'William Stein' , list, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Conference +Cc: William Stein Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | | [...] | @@ -18081,47 +11190,14 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: oops, first relase is 1984. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoSS-0005rw-Qh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:42:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoSR-0005qb-5C - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:42:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYoSP-0005py-7N - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:42:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYoSO-0005pk-UH - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:42:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYob7-0007vn-Ut - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:51:02 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109D04F3F2; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:41:48 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9EIcQL4025965; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:38:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9EIcQlg025964; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:38:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:38:26 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Broken hypertex - - <200610141751.k9EHpij18311@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:38:26 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Waldek Hebisch, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | > | > | > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this @@ -18148,37 +11224,12 @@ GCL CVS. (Camm kindly welcomed me on te GCL project.) So I have (separate) copies, up-to-date, of gcl-2.6.8pre, gcl-2.7 (trunk). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYpok-00087j-D4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:09:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYpoi-00084P-U3 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:09:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYpog-0007wr-6a - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:09:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYpof-0007w6-Rn - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:09:05 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GYpxP-0007V6-Pu - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:18:07 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9EK8Otk009258; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:08:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:07:45 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Conference -Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:07:45 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'William Stein' , list, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com +Cc: William Stein On October 14, 2006 2:22 PM Gaby wrote: @@ -18220,42 +11271,9 @@ trying not to "re-invent the wheel". Hear, hear! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrJO-00068i-LR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:44:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrJM-00065X-Ua - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:44:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrJM-00064E-AM - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:44:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYrJM-00063o-4X - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:44:52 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYrS3-0003g7-1U - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:53:52 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9ELiQvM024047 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:44:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30209 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 21:44:26 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 14 Oct 2006 21:44:26 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9ELZ1F18439; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:35:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:35:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: 30 year horizon @@ -18265,54 +11283,31 @@ http://jaortega.wordpress.com/2006/10/13/the-object-oriented-cake Imagine a computational mathematics environment running on Doyen that could do the same kind of things with math. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrNH-00078f-I3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:48:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrNF-00072a-PI - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:48:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrND-0006w7-RF - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:48:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYrND-0006vS-Lc - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:48:51 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYrVy-0004ka-6e - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:57:54 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.149.37] (ALille-251-1-7-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.149.37]) - by mwinf1923.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C6D451C000B0; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:48:49 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:48:59 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +From: Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Camm Maguire Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 17:47 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 ? 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver i= -s=20 +s > > > different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. In particular > > > the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/cmpaux.c is like > > > gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre is different. -> >=20 +> > > > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this mailing > > list but writing directly to him would be a good idea. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > To summarize: both gcl-2.6.7 and gcl-2.6.8pre2 pass address of actual > data (which is what Axiom expects), gcl-2.6.8pre in build-improvements > copies strings and passes address of the copy (which breaks hypertex > interface). When I change object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre to match > that of gcl-2.6.7 (or gcl-2.6.8pre2) hypertex works. ->=20 +> > Since gcl-2.6.8pre2 seem to be latest gcl version Camm can probably > just do nothing (just remember so that problem is not re-introduced > later). @@ -18321,88 +11316,32 @@ No, GCL included in build-improvements is more recent than gcl-2.6.8pre2. The code that you describe is in gcl-2.6.8pre just checked out today and in gcl-2.7 (cvs HEAD). -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrWK-0005aY-LM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:58:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrWI-0005Zj-Jx - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:58:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrWG-0005ZP-UQ - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:58:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYrWG-0005ZI-PN - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:58:12 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYrf1-0005ys-KQ - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:07:15 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYrVh-0003FQ-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:57:37 +0200 -Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:57:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Broken hypertex +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 ? 17:47 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Since gcl-2.6.8pre2 seem to be latest gcl version Camm can probably > > just do nothing (just remember so that problem is not re-introduced > > later). ->=20 +> > No, GCL included in build-improvements is more recent than > gcl-2.6.8pre2. The code that you describe is in gcl-2.6.8pre just > checked out today and in gcl-2.7 (cvs HEAD). ->=20 +> Yes, the names fooled me. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrnn-0002lr-09 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:16:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrni-0002hq-U4 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:16:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYrnf-0002eZ-Bs - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:16:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYrne-0002dq-JQ - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:16:10 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYrwK-0001I6-QX - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:25:13 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EMG2xf003769 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:16:02 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17283 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 22:16:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gregory Vanuxem; 14 Oct 2006 22:16:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9EM6bu18472; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:06:37 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:06:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:57:37 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch > > > Since gcl-2.6.8pre2 seem to be latest gcl version Camm can probably > > > just do nothing (just remember so that problem is not re-introduced @@ -18424,50 +11363,22 @@ run on gcl-2.6.8pre2 and requires a prior version. Since I was unable to distinguish the two checkouts automatically there are two snapshots in the zips directory. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYsJN-00032U-C7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:48:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYsJL-000308-3Y - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:48:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYsJI-0002z3-J6 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:48:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYsJI-0002z0-Fj - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:48:52 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYsS3-0002CM-O7 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:57:56 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.149.37] (ALille-251-1-7-37.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.149.37]) - by mwinf1908.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 83D171C0008C; - Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:48:50 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <944683b40610130719u27d322e9rab275b1796510791@mail.gmail.com> - - <1160781323.2820.62.camel@ellipse> - Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:49:00 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Sourceforge-Google Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 =E0 01:41 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | This (the X11 issue) is exactly what is needed to "merge" Axiom for > | Windows and the main branch (i.e. drop the Windows branch). Some othe= r > | _small_ changes will eventually be needed. ->=20 +> > I'm not aware of those "small" changes; please could you tell me more > about those? @@ -18488,33 +11399,10 @@ person to speak about this, it maintains the "Axiom for Windows" branch and better know than me Windows specific issues (it worked with Mike Thomas, the "GCL for Windows" guru ). -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYsgQ-0006cR-G6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:12:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYsgP-0006ZX-4G - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:12:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYsgN-0006Xg-H9 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:12:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYsgN-0006XN-BG - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:12:43 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYsp9-0004MU-4I - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:21:47 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GYsfr-00072J-00 - for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:12:11 +0200 -To: list Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 01:12:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: build-improvements and more-rules.mk Currently rules are appended to more-rules.mk. When make is re-run @@ -18532,35 +11420,11 @@ replace content of more-rules.mk: cd algebra && ${ENV} ${MAKE} --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYujN-0004ZV-Ql - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:23:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYujM-0004VE-BY - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:23:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYujK-0004Lo-6K - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:23:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYujJ-0004LX-II; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:23:53 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GYus6-0007vi-Kj; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:32:58 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GYuij-0008LY-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:23:17 -0400 +\start +Date: 14 Oct 2006 21:23:17 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Broken hypertex -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 14 Oct 2006 21:23:17 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings, and thanks for the report! Typeo should be gone now in both branches. @@ -18576,74 +11440,31 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > > Le samedi 14 octobre 2006 ? 03:09 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > > Investigating further I have noticed that gcl-2.6.8pre2 in silver is= -=20 + > > > different then gcl-2.6.8pre in build improvements. In particular > > > the function object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre2/o/cmpaux.c is like > > > gcl-2.6.7 while the version in gcl-2.6.8pre is different. -> >=20 +> > > > Exactly, a typo (& instead of %), no ? I think Camm read this mailing > > list but writing directly to him would be a good idea. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > To summarize: both gcl-2.6.7 and gcl-2.6.8pre2 pass address of actual > data (which is what Axiom expects), gcl-2.6.8pre in build-improvements > copies strings and passes address of the copy (which breaks hypertex > interface). When I change object_to_string in gcl-2.6.8pre to match > that of gcl-2.6.7 (or gcl-2.6.8pre2) hypertex works. ->=20 +> > Since gcl-2.6.8pre2 seem to be latest gcl version Camm can probably > just do nothing (just remember so that problem is not re-introduced > later). ->=20 +> > Concerning build-improvements: I can use gcl-2.6.7 when testing hypertex. ->=20 -> --=20 -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYw4g-0005bQ-Vv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:50:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYw4f-0005YR-5H - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:50:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYw4d-0005UG-E6 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:50:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYw4d-0005Tt-4R - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:49:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYwDN-0005vF-Q8 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:04 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9F2njlX001260 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:49:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7285 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 02:49:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 15 Oct 2006 02:49:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9F2eN618578; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:40:23 -0400 + +\start Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:40:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: list, magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: list Subject: parallel algorithms I've been researching a mechanism for parallel execution @@ -18662,45 +11483,10 @@ We could also scale the algorithm by using a network protocol and work between multiple Axiom/Magnus hosted machines. This would make effective use of a cluster. -Comments? - -Tim - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwDw-0007T6-EN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwDv-0007Sx-4P - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwDs-0007Sc-Nh - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYwDs-0007SZ-Kp - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:32 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYwMg-0006el-EK - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:08:38 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9F2xQSF005152 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25542 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 02:59:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 15 Oct 2006 02:59:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9F2nm318591; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:49:48 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:49:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: list, magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: list Subject: parallel algorithms Oh, and I forgot to mention another significant advantage. @@ -18729,47 +11515,11 @@ processes, "reduce" combine the answer, and return. > We could also scale the algorithm by using a network > protocol and work between multiple Axiom/Magnus hosted > machines. This would make effective use of a cluster. -> - -Comments? - -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwNg-0000da-EQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:09:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwNf-0000dV-Jz - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:09:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwNe-0000cG-1o - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:09:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYwNd-0000bn-Qm - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:09:37 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYwWM-0007Iv-Cv - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:18:43 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9F39Ka4027172 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:09:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12426 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 03:09:21 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 15 Oct 2006 03:09:21 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9F2xwJ18603; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:59:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: list, magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: list Subject: parallel algorithms Yet another parallel use would be creating direction field @@ -18803,45 +11553,12 @@ and the final combined results into solution curves. > > We could also scale the algorithm by using a network > > protocol and work between multiple Axiom/Magnus hosted > > machines. This would make effective use of a cluster. -> > -> -Comments? - -Tim - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwi7-00018U-9S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:30:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwi6-00016k-B3 - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:30:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwi5-00013X-4D - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:30:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYwi4-000138-Uc - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:30:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GYwqt-0001o5-6w - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:39:51 -0400 -Received: from [204.127.200.81] (helo=sccrmhc11.comcast.net) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYwi3-00057a-Oo - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:30:43 -0400 -Received: from [67.170.141.18] - (c-67-170-141-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.170.141.18]) - by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP - id <20061015033042011005u9r5e>; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 03:30:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:27:41 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: parallel algorithms -Cc: magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, list root wrote: > Yet another parallel use would be creating direction field @@ -18863,42 +11580,11 @@ root wrote: I know what Axiom is, I know what MapReduce is, but what is Magnus? This is a name I've not heard before. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwty-0001FF-Ko - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:43:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwtw-00018U-Eq - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:43:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GYwtv-000148-3a - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:42:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GYwtu-00013p-VQ - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:42:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYx2f-0005CS-JU - for list; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:52:05 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9F3gjYP022480 - for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:42:49 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21769 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 03:42:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 15 Oct 2006 03:42:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9F3XN518644; - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:33:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:33:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: parallel algorithms - <4531AAAD.5060204@cesmail.net> -Cc: magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, list > I know what Axiom is, I know what MapReduce is, but what is Magnus? This > is a name I've not heard before. @@ -18928,32 +11614,10 @@ on the answer. A similar technique might be employed with Sage to ask specific questions of specialized worker systems. -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZ7RE-000477-Bv - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:58:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZ7RC-00045O-8T - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:58:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZ7R9-00042W-Ai - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:57:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZ7R8-00042G-TW - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:57:58 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZ7a3-0004JD-Gy - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:07:11 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZ7Qc-0004CP-00 - for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:57:26 +0200 -To: list +\start Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:57:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: wrong exit status in build-improvements Current "Standard boilerplate dependencies" give spurious failure. @@ -18976,48 +11640,18 @@ The following fixed problem for me: BTW: Handling of -k option in $(RECURSIVE_TARGETS) looks strange (why wildcards in the pattern, when we want exact match?). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZAUY-0004eh-11 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:13:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZAUW-0004bR-AS - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:13:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZAUS-0004Tf-6R - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:13:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZAUR-0004TK-QP - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:13:35 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.190] (helo=mail70c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZAdO-0004QD-ES - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:22:50 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail70c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9FIDMM8009214 - for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:13:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: +\start Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:12:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: FW: Axiom for OS X Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? -----Original Message----- -From: William Stein [mailto:wstein@gmail.com] -Sent: October 15, 2006 12:45 PM -To: Bill Page +From: William Stein [mailto:William Stein] Subject: Axiom for OS X - Bill, I'm curious -- what is the status of Axiom for OS X? @@ -19027,38 +11661,10 @@ a SAGE component that I can't test on my main OS X development machine, and I'm unfomfortable with having optional components that many of my users can't possibly install. -William - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZAx6-0007fk-RH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:43:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZAx5-0007br-FB - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:43:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZAx3-0007VG-Cq - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:43:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZAx3-0007Ub-8C - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:43:09 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.63] (helo=mail243.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZB5z-0003eC-QO - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:52:24 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail243.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9FIgmT4000712; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:43:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'William Stein'" Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:42:11 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: William Stein Subject: RE: Axiom interface On October 14, 2006 6:19 PM William Stein wrote: @@ -19108,46 +11714,11 @@ When run in console mode, clef would be enabled by default. That's fine. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZBSa-0000Y6-Ar - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZBSY-0000Uz-QJ - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZBSV-0000PS-Po - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZBSV-0000P7-Kp - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZBbT-0007vd-0M - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:24:55 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9FJFNnm022272 - for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 2143 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 19:15:23 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 15 Oct 2006 19:15:23 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9FJ5tV26623; - Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:05:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:05:55 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: Bill Page, "William Stein" - (Bill Page) +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, William Stein Subject: Re: FW: Axiom for OS X -Cc: list > Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? > @@ -19165,44 +11736,12 @@ Cc: list Yes, I'm working on Axiom for OSX. I recently moved from using Fink to using XCode and am making more progress. -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGSe-0000TY-Ss - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:36:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGSd-0000RK-4P - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:36:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGSb-0000NS-2N - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:36:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGSa-0000N4-Q1 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:36:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGbb-0006Ve-8h - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:45:23 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD0040E35; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:36:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0WPn0009942; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:32:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0WPLV009941; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:32:25 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:32:24 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Broken hypertex - <54zmby9xtm.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:32:24 +0200 -Cc: list, =?iso-8859-1?q??=@gnu.org, - Waldek Hebisch, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Camm Maguire writes: @@ -19212,42 +11751,11 @@ Camm Maguire writes: Great! I'll update build-improvements later, assuming I still have connectivity. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGU8-0003Fx-OX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:37:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGU7-0003Do-A7 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:37:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGU5-0003BJ-OJ - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:37:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGU5-0003B8-ME - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:37:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGd6-0006gv-3b - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:46:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D4A40ED6; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:37:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0Y0Vo009946; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:34:02 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0Y0iN009945; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:34:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:33:59 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:33:59 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -19259,44 +11767,13 @@ The whole thing should be revisited. That is on my TODO list. the more-rules.mk was a quick hack to stop generating Makefiles at build-time. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGYE-0001t8-SY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:41:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGYD-0001pO-9o - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:41:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGYA-0001ia-Uc - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:41:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGYA-0001i9-KT - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:41:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGhA-0007GD-Kd - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:51:08 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C16C40E31; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:41:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0cCcg009950; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:38:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0cCd5009949; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:38:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:38:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: parallel algorithms -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:38:11 +0200 -Cc: magnus-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | I've been researching a mechanism for parallel execution | for algorithms like matrix multiply or group algorithms. @@ -19319,42 +11796,11 @@ work done by the functional community, e.g. by Roland Backhouse and collaborators. Google Jeremy Gibbons, Graham Hutton, "Functional programming with bananas, ...", Eden, etc. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGa5-0005SE-FN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGa3-0005Ol-Eh - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGa1-0005Kh-PE - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGa1-0005KG-KD - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGj2-0000ZF-22 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:53:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879764F3C2; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:43:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0e7Eh010069; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:40:10 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0e7st010068; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:40:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:40:07 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:40:07 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -19375,88 +11821,27 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Why do you think that is bogus? (That is what Automake generates for me.) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGah-0006ep-Na - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGag-0006b2-5O - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGae-0006Vt-Cw - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGae-0006Vl-2u - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGje-0001Cd-Gq - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:53:42 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D6E4F3B8; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:44:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0eksZ010073; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:40:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0ekeT010072; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:40:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom for OS X -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:40:46 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom for OS X -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? Not right now, but I need to get to it, because 66% of my students runs on MACs. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGcH-00029S-Tg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:46:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGcF-000250-Be - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:46:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGcC-0001wn-Bt - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:46:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGcC-0001wP-6m - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:46:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGlC-0002zJ-HC - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:55:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A78D40F5B; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:45:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0gMGa010077; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:42:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0gMJN010076; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:42:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom interface -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:42:22 +0200 -Cc: 'William Stein' , list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom interface +Cc: William Stein -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On October 14, 2006 6:19 PM William Stein wrote: | > On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:01:29 -0700, Bill Page wrote: @@ -19487,47 +11872,13 @@ Cc: 'William Stein' , list clef has the annoying property that whe suspended, and subsequently resumed, ^P would *display* very strangely. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGo6-0008Tm-VJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:58:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGo4-0008Mh-BE - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:58:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGo3-0008Jj-8Q - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:58:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGo3-0008JS-4A - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:58:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGx3-0004T5-LV - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:07:33 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CC64F3CA; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:58:12 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G0sbus010293; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:54:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G0sbkS010292; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:54:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:54:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 02:54:37 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > I have been asking for help on the semantics, but so far my quest only | > meets silence. I believe you understand that part of the system, @@ -19546,34 +11897,12 @@ Nowhere, I can find a reasonable documentation which says why that variable should be set. I believe it is wrong. I'll check-in a patch later. --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGqe-0006ME-R3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:00:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGqd-0006GC-1C - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:00:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZGqc-0006DA-AI - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:00:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZGqb-0006CP-Rr - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:00:53 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZGzc-0004q3-Am - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:10:12 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZGq1-0001d5-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:00:17 +0200 -Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:00:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -19611,44 +11940,11 @@ At the beginning we have: On normal path (without -k option) there is no assignment to failcmd, so the test fails and gives exit status 1. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZH5m-0000dH-RF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:16:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZH5k-0000aT-UX - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:16:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZH5h-0000UT-GK - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:16:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZH5h-0000UE-46 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:16:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZHEh-00019F-Uv - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:25:48 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5BA4F3BF; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:16:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G1CpAU010597; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:12:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G1Cp8D010596; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:12:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 16 Oct 2006 03:12:51 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 03:12:51 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -19691,47 +11987,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: The real fix, is to test for $$fail, NOT $$failcmd. Notice fail is set when --keep is specified. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZH7n-0003KI-6I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:18:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZH7m-0003IN-5P - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:18:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZH7k-0003Ei-EK - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:18:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZH7k-0003EW-6i - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:18:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZHGl-0002iI-3c - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:27:55 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G1IJOk012799 - for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:18:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5584 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 01:18:19 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Oct 2006 01:18:19 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9G18sb26782; - Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:08:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:08:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 16 Oct 2006 02:54:37 +0200) Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > Nowhere, I can find a reasonable documentation which says why that > variable should be set. I believe it is wrong. I'll check-in a patch @@ -19743,49 +12003,13 @@ current behavior is a mistake, compounding the problem. Why do you "believe it is wrong"? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHM9-0001J8-6u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHM7-0001FB-7n - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHM5-0001A9-A2 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZHM5-00019U-59 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZHV6-0004J9-5i - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:42:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B844F399; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:33:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9G1TljQ010776; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:29:49 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9G1TlfZ010775; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:29:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 03:29:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160108.k9G18sb26782@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 03:29:47 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Nowhere, I can find a reasonable documentation which says why that | > variable should be set. I believe it is wrong. I'll check-in a patch @@ -19802,33 +12026,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: on a single value. Consequently, it is wrong on semantics consideration. (Yes, I appreciate the settings are conditional). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHQf-0001P0-RH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:38:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHQe-0001LB-2c - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:38:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHQc-0001Ic-Df - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:38:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZHQc-0001IQ-C4 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:38:06 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZHZd-0004s8-Aj - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:47:25 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZHQ3-0002Yl-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:37:31 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:37:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -19857,36 +12059,11 @@ are build from Lisp) using only Spad sources, "empty" category.daase and minimal interp.daase, but I had to set $bootStrapMode flag and build everthing in a single invocation of the compiler. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHZt-000249-IG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:47:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHZr-00021e-Ny - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:47:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZHZq-00020R-8f - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:47:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZHZq-000204-4K - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:47:38 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZHiq-0001MQ-UB - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:56:57 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZHZH-0003NT-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:47:03 +0200 -Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:47:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > The real fix, is to test for $$fail, NOT $$failcmd. Notice fail is @@ -19906,43 +12083,11 @@ Yes, like: ## Rules to make DVI files from pamphlets - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIEY-0004T1-6n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:29:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIEX-0004RS-2d - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:29:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIEV-0004OS-Ds - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:29:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZIEV-0004O8-6b - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:29:39 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.68] (helo=web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZINW-0000cO-N2 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:38:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 56337 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 02:29:38 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=KaVzY4/8yQnGIS9elyGCP+MRfgstmSqV+y7VsS+ewJXe2SRjdZ887CPjmlsjnTzK850V2GDEiybHM7YglV4Cp2iSx/j2e/FSoX6AJjdgIs0ufnMvspFHc8ASoXcwSU0wH6Ypd9hXtY+lm9MW2BlnJ0nFvrZ2BirV8J8/LqPnOjM= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:29:38 PDT +\start Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -19959,54 +12104,11 @@ simplifies things in general) builds in that form on GCL - that's something I never tried. A little preliminary poking suggests some make file changes would be needed, at a minimum... -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIfx-0002sP-Qe - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:58:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIfv-0002oa-VT - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:58:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIfv-0002mg-7l - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:57:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZIfv-0002mS-0N - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:57:59 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZIou-00065c-01 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:07:18 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G2vjYc015637 - for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:57:49 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7884 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 02:57:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Oct 2006 02:57:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9G2mLZ26833; - Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:48:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:48:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 16 Oct 2006 03:29:47 +0200) Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160108.k9G18sb26782@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > (1) it leads to wrong behaviour; this is factual. @@ -20021,36 +12123,11 @@ What do you believe is the correct setting? And why? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just need to understand your reasoning. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIkH-0003rY-Id - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:02:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIkF-0003oI-Cl - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:02:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZIkC-0003j5-Dx - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:02:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZIkC-0003ik-6a - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:02:24 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZItD-00085A-TZ - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:11:44 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9G31l6i031456; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:02:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: build-improvements and more-rules.mk Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:01:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvements and more-rules.mk On October 15, 2006 9:38 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -20079,36 +12156,11 @@ single invocation of the compiler"? I think you knowledge of how this works could be very valuable for improving Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZJMO-0006ez-7g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:41:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZJMM-0006cT-T6 - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:41:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZJML-0006ae-If - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:41:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZJML-0006aV-El - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:41:49 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZJVN-0007Qy-Aj - for list; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:51:09 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZJLk-0001BU-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:41:12 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:41:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk > Waldek Hebisch writes: > > @@ -20140,36 +12192,12 @@ made a patch to build-improvement branch which skips boot directory: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-10/msg00039.html - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZK5r-0006UA-4E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:28:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZK5p-0006SR-GV - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:28:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZK5n-0006QO-IR - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:28:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZK5n-0006Q7-AL - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:28:47 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZKEp-0007wl-OW - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:38:08 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZK5C-0002jf-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:28:10 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:28:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Bill Page wrote: > On October 15, 2006 9:38 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -20243,100 +12271,27 @@ BTW. $bootStrapMode compilation is quite fast, it can handle 300 Spad files in about a minute (but it slows down when you have more files in a single batch). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZKSh-0007H7-6C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:52:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZKSf-0007F4-Ft - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:52:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZKSd-0007CE-HV - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:52:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZKSc-0007Bq-TO - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:52:23 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZKbf-0005Wb-KG - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:01:43 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G4qBBb004473 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:52:11 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5764 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 04:52:12 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 16 Oct 2006 04:52:12 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9G4gmX26892; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:42:48 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:42:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:28:10 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch This is not a valid database file. I'll see if I can document the structure of such a file. -t - - (30 . 3469429128) ((|Category| NIL NIL NIL "NIL" NIL T NIL (NIL) NIL NIL NIL) (|Union| NIL NIL NIL "NIL" NIL NIL NIL (NIL) |domain| NIL NIL) (|Record| NIL NIL NIL "NIL" NIL NIL NIL (NIL) |domain| NIL NIL) (|Mapping| NIL NIL NIL "NIL" NIL NIL NIL (NIL) |domain| NIL NIL) (|Enumeration| NIL NIL NIL "NIL" NIL NIL NIL (NIL) |domain| NIL NIL)) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMNe-0003yN-7Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:55:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMNc-0003ve-26 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:55:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMNZ-0003qh-8Q - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:55:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZMNY-0003qR-KV - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:55:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZMWc-0000vF-63 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:04:38 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G6sujI027556 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:55:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13436 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 06:54:57 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 16 Oct 2006 06:54:57 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9G6jYi26974; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:45:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:45:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:28:10 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk - J_CHICKENPOX_54, J_CHICKENPOX_65, J_CHICKENPOX_75 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch This is the documentation of daase.lisp.pamphet Some of it is new and I'll add it to the file. - - - - - 1) KAF FILE FORMAT ============================================== This documentation refers to KAF files which are random access files. @@ -20362,8 +12317,6 @@ seek to that address, and (read). For instance, see src/share/algebra/USERS.DAASE/index.KAF - - One existing optimization is that if the data is a simple thing like a symbol then the nth-entry-byte-address is replaced by immediate data. @@ -20376,20 +12329,15 @@ The squeeze routine is used to compress the keys, the unsqueeze routine uncompresses them. Making these two routines disappear should remove all of the compression. - Indeed, a faster optimization is to simply read the whole database into the image before it is saved. The system would be easier to understand and the interpreter would be faster. - The fastest optimization is to fix the time stamp mechanism which is currently broken. Making this work requires a small bit of coordination at 'make' time which I forgot to implement. - - - 2) *miss* =============================================== @@ -20400,11 +12348,6 @@ Note that if you do you can see when an interpreter lookup has "missed" the in-core tables and needs to fetch information from the databases. - - - - - 3) DATABASE FILES =============================================== Database files are very similar to KAF files except that there @@ -20416,9 +12359,6 @@ the image the database is not needed (since the internal hash tables already contain all of the information). When the database is built the time stamp is saved in both the gcl image and the database. - - - Here I'll try to outline the interp database write procedure @@ -20605,11 +12545,6 @@ Here I'll try to outline the interp database write procedure (close out))) - - - - - 4) DAASE.LISP DOCUMENTATION ========================================= ;;TTT 7/2/97 @@ -20714,13 +12649,6 @@ Here I'll try to outline the interp database write procedure ; each operation has a property on its symbol name called 'operation ; which is a list of all of the signatures of operations with that name. -; -- tim daly - - - - - - 5) CREATING DATABASES ============================================= ; making new databases consists of: @@ -20742,44 +12670,11 @@ Here I'll try to outline the interp database write procedure ; critical. interp.daase depends on prior computations and has ; to be written out last. - -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMPs-0000Ah-6e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:57:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMPq-00007K-DJ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:57:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMPo-0008UK-75 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:57:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZMPn-0008Tx-Vr - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:57:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZMYr-0001dG-Al - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:06:58 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GZMPj-00048F-5v; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:57:31 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GZMPj-0006lO-3U; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:57:31 +0200 -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Timothy Daly Tim Daly -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Oct 2006 08:57:52 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk Dear Waldek, Tim, Cliff, @@ -20810,34 +12705,10 @@ after each layer. (It's a pain, but it works.) Tim, you wrote the Makefile, do you know how to automate this? -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMZN-0006f1-U9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:07:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMZL-0006aY-Dl - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:07:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZMZJ-0006Vy-LY - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:07:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZMZJ-0006Vq-Jm - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:07:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZMiN-0004lM-J7 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:16:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 84811 invoked by uid 89); 16 Oct 2006 07:07:10 -0000 - -From: "Gernot Hueber" -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:07:10 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gernot Hueber +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs Hi, @@ -20849,53 +12720,18 @@ Gernot Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? > > Not right now, but I need to get to it, because 66% of my students > runs on MACs. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZRH0-0000vh-Me - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:08:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZRGy-0000sJ-5o - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:08:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZRGs-0000mX-NX - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:08:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZRGr-0000m9-Tv - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:08:42 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.66] (helo=web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZRPz-0002m2-2l - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:18:07 -0400 -Received: (qmail 4097 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 12:08:36 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=kuvSjJ7MvpjuMtu8ckJrAbhDVgc5UIwjkUbCrLVzGkSP31AG7VndcBMPyUQOZFAXJT8pSCoofax6toBmiI0oY2elTUi8Bj5PJAYHLOmd7VniVLlOMW+v01qYZSWDHAHxwxli1Xr7UZmUGFx07gvKf25cvnNJ8g84uDhUU0bhjPU= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:08:36 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > > @@ -20933,51 +12769,11 @@ significance of it. Very nice indeed. Gaby, is there any plan to incorporate this into the build-improvements branch? I guess it might be a bit out of scope for that branch... -Cheers, and thanks! - -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZSFE-000766-DT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZSFC-00072W-TT - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZSF8-0006pb-OZ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZSF8-0006pM-Ga - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:10:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZSOG-0003Wl-An - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:20:24 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GDAd3U010731 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:10:43 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28584 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 13:10:41 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 16 Oct 2006 13:10:41 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GD1Hq27508; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:01:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:01:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ghue@xmt.at +From: Tim Daly +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs - - <20061016070710.84810.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -Cc: list > what about the BSDs? For some time I think I am the only one :-( > @@ -20986,7 +12782,7 @@ Cc: list > > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > > | Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? > > @@ -21004,35 +12800,10 @@ very time consuming. At one point Unix had a Linux-compatibility effort but I'm have yet to run across it. Are you aware of this work? -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZT5Y-0005t6-TT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:05:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZT5X-0005pj-NK - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:05:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZT5S-0005aE-IL - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:05:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZT5S-0005Zz-BQ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:05:02 -0400 -Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZTEa-0006Uk-5M - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:14:28 -0400 -Received: (qmail 98493 invoked by uid 89); 16 Oct 2006 14:04:58 -0000 - - <20061016070710.84810.qmail@mail.xmt.at> - <200610161301.k9GD1Hq27508@localhost.localdomain> -From: "Gernot Hueber" -To: Tim Daly +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:04:58 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gernot Hueber +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs root writes: @@ -21044,7 +12815,7 @@ root writes: >> >> Gabriel Dos Reis writes: >> ->> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +>> > Bill Page writes: >> > >> > | Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? >> > @@ -21073,47 +12844,10 @@ I have Axiom patch-49, gcl-2.6.7 + dynamic loader support, and axiom 1.0.3 running on a FreeBSD 6.1 system. (I posted a patchset to the list some time ago). Hopefully, after next week I can spend some more time on these issues. -Gernot - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZTPG-0008Vv-F2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:25:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZTPE-0008U0-I6 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:25:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZTPB-0008Ps-98 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:25:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZTPA-0008PT-U8 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:25:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZTYJ-00081z-BF - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:34:51 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GEOxH4027266 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:25:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15260 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 14:25:00 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Oct 2006 14:25:00 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GEFej27540; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:15:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:15:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ghue@xmt.at - - <20061016070710.84810.qmail@mail.xmt.at> - <200610161301.k9GD1Hq27508@localhost.localdomain> - <20061016140458.98492.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs Gernot, @@ -21121,37 +12855,10 @@ Gernot, Please send me a diff -Naur of your version and --patch-50 and I'll see if I can get it running on my FreeBSD machine. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZTTQ-0006wm-FV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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16 Oct 2006 14:33:05 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GENjH27553; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:23:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:23:45 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 16 Oct 2006 08:57:52 +0200) Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk - <9q64ekeoi7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > I agree. The only thing one has to do is to rebuild the databases after each > layer. In fact, I did this manually to build an Axiom with my Guessing @@ -21221,49 +12894,13 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch yep. i'm hacking that into the makefiles now. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV1H-0000Fr-78 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:08:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV1F-0000CG-Av - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:08:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV1A-0008UR-9c - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:08:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZV19-0008Tn-VJ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:08:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZVAJ-0001Hm-99 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:18:11 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794F64F3C3; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:08:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GG53DT022617; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:05:05 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GG53Rw022616; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:05:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:05:03 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160108.k9G18sb26782@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160248.k9G2mLZ26833@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:05:03 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > (1) it leads to wrong behaviour; this is factual. | @@ -21291,42 +12928,12 @@ bootsys. I understand that :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV6U-00087b-KN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:14:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV6R-00082q-NN - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:14:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV6L-0007rL-NG - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:14:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZV6K-0007qw-SZ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:14:04 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZVFU-0004cK-4i - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600734F3C0; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:13:53 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GGAO1E022868; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:10:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GGAOsH022867; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:10:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:10:24 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:10:24 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -21346,42 +12953,11 @@ However, I've studying src/boot and I've slowling moing to the direction that it should be retained in favour of "old" boot (that should be removed). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV8A-0002AE-8I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV88-00027R-5D - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZV83-0001yi-JR - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZV83-0001y4-6p - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZVHC-0005Yy-ID - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:25:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD8440E22; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:15:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GGCBgT022872; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:12:13 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GGCB8e022871; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:12:11 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:12:11 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:12:11 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -21405,48 +12981,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Yes, please check it in wioth a ChangeLog entry. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZVB5-0006nz-PP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:18:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZVB3-0006k9-P6 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:18:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZVB0-0006fK-RE - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:18:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZVB0-0006el-IQ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:18:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZVK9-0007aJ-Il - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:28:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7FE41099; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:18:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GGF9I5022895; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:15:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GGF9gE022894; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:15:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Gernot Hueber" - - <20061016070710.84810.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:15:08 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -"Gernot Hueber" writes: +Gernot Hueber writes: | Hi, what about the BSDs? For some time I think I am the only one :-( @@ -21454,47 +12995,13 @@ Currently, you cannot build build-improvements on *BSD because I use some GNUisms in the Makefile (e.g. "export"). That will be fixed later by using MAKEFLAGS. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZVDP-0001s5-FR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:21:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZVDN-0001qo-Qe - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:21:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZVDM-0001oJ-4e - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:21:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZVDM-0001ny-0G - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:21:20 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZVMV-0000mC-79 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:30:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998BD4109B; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:21:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GGHeIY023143; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:17:42 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GGHeK0023142; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:17:40 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:17:39 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs - - <20061016070710.84810.qmail@mail.xmt.at> - <200610161301.k9GD1Hq27508@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Oct 2006 18:17:39 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > what about the BSDs? For some time I think I am the only one :-( | > @@ -21503,7 +13010,7 @@ root Tim Daly writes: | > | > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | > -| > > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > > Bill Page writes: | > > | > > | Is anyone working on Axiom for OS X? | > > @@ -21521,33 +13028,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: That should be properly investigated and use Aclocal. That is standard. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWas-0006F3-11 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:49:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWaq-0006ED-E6 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:49:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWao-0006C6-N9 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:49:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWao-0006C3-Gm - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:49:38 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZWjy-0000sY-Q3 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:59:07 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZWa7-0003wh-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:48:55 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:48:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk > This is not a valid database file. > I'll see if I can document the structure of such a file. @@ -21571,45 +13056,11 @@ uncompressed (for better readability). Am I missing something? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWjV-0003Pz-LK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:58:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWjU-0003NH-Cg - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:58:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWjT-0003Ll-Ck - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:58:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWjT-0003L8-6H - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:58:35 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZWsd-0002Vc-Fv - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:08:03 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GHwTEJ003641 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:58:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 24942 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 17:58:29 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Oct 2006 17:58:29 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GHmxI27669; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:48:59 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:48:59 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:48:55 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch > > This is not a valid database file. > > I'll see if I can document the structure of such a file. @@ -21633,119 +13084,31 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch > > Am I missing something? -checking.... - -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWuM-0005Vb-UF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:09:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWuL-0005Ui-B8 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:09:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWuJ-0005TM-9q - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:09:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWuJ-0005TB-2n - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:09:47 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZX3T-0003ja-GN - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:19:15 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GI9baV026232 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:09:41 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26657 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 18:09:32 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Oct 2006 18:09:32 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GI03e27681; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:00:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:00:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:48:55 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Actually, it appears you are correct. I was confused by the compression. At some point in the near future we should eliminate the compression and that would eliminate the compress.daase file completely. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWwC-0007fI-66 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:11:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWw9-0007cT-Th - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:11:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZWw8-0007ZU-Fy - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:11:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZWw8-0007Z4-5F - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:11:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZX5I-00042m-QF - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:21:09 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GIBdDw013008 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:11:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 653 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 18:11:39 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 16 Oct 2006 18:11:39 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GI29i27687; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:02:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:02:09 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:48:55 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch You've clearly spent a fair amount of time understanding things about axiom. Hopefully you're documenting as you learn so we can all benefit from your work. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZX20-0003zP-Ah - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:17:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZX1y-0003x9-4j - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:17:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZX1w-0003wD-Ce - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:17:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZX1w-0003w5-7p - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:17:40 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZXB6-00051y-V6 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:27:09 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZWwN-00059Z-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:11:55 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:11:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: build-improvements and more-rules.mk Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Waldek, Tim, Cliff, @@ -21788,95 +13151,32 @@ since Axiom lost (most of) its knowledge about types. So, to bootstarap from scratch you need some fake categories and carefully chosen compilation order (quite different than the current order). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYAG-0007Kr-5u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:30:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYAE-0007Je-1x - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:30:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYAD-0007Iq-1x - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:30:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZYAC-0007Im-TP - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:30:16 -0400 -Received: from [134.93.178.132] (helo=mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZYJN-0000RU-HV - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:39:45 -0400 -Received: from exfront01.zdv.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.176.49]) - by mailgate02.zdv.uni-mainz.de with ESMTP; 16 Oct 2006 21:30:13 +0200 -Received: from EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE ([134.93.177.33]) by - exfront01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:30:13 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:30:12 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -Thread-Index: AcbxP1+CZkw72yPUT4Kgs9t0hcLfRwAGXUYA -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "Gernot Hueber" - FILETIME=[8055FC60:01C6F159] -Cc: list - -=20 +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -> "Gernot Hueber" writes: ->=20 +> Gernot Hueber writes: +> > | Hi, what about the BSDs? For some time I think I am the only one :-( ->=20 +> > Currently, you cannot build build-improvements on *BSD because I use -> some GNUisms in the Makefile (e.g. "export"). That will be=20 +> some GNUisms in the Makefile (e.g. "export"). That will be > fixed later > by using MAKEFLAGS. ->=20 +> > -- Gaby All BSD systems have Gnu Make (gmake) as a port (package). And many other ports depend on it. So Axiom should just require that port as well. -Regards - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYBc-0008Ei-Fi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:31:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYBa-0008Cd-5t - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:31:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYBW-00089j-O1 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:31:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZXtb-0000ya-Ap - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:13:07 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZXqx-0003W4-De - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:10:23 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZXgu-0007Zl-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:00:00 +0200 -Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:00:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: wrong exit status in build-improvements > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -21903,41 +13203,17 @@ Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Commited. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYlE-0004Gx-V9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:08:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYlC-0004C7-Tw - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:08:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZYlA-00045O-8E - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:08:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZYlA-00044i-1q - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:08:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZYuL-0006Kq-I3 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:17:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 9795 invoked by uid 89); 16 Oct 2006 20:08:23 -0000 -From: "Gernot Hueber" -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:08:23 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gernot Hueber +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs Weiss, Juergen writes: > > ->> "Gernot Hueber" writes: +>> Gernot Hueber writes: >> >> | Hi, what about the BSDs? For some time I think I am the only one :-( >> @@ -21957,62 +13233,17 @@ available as package. In fact, from my point of view these are only minor problems - that means: easily solvable. I think more serious is the gcl version lag at least for FreeBSD where 2.6.7 is current. -regards - -Gernot - - -> -> Regards -> -> Juergen Weiss -> -> Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -> Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -> +49(6131)39-26407 - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZ1u-0006bL-WA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:25:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZ1t-0006Zd-Hi - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:25:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZ1o-0006S5-1R - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:25:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZZ1n-0006Rb-OU - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:25:39 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZZAz-0001Qe-I4 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:35:09 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FCB40F60; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:25:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GKLxJL031109; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:22:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GKLxAG031108; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:21:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Oct 2006 22:21:58 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: | | -| > "Gernot Hueber" writes: +| > Gernot Hueber writes: | > | > | Hi, what about the BSDs? For some time I think I am the only one :-( | > @@ -22037,91 +13268,27 @@ Great! The configure in build-improvements checks for gmake, but it does not enforce it. It probably should. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZM1-0004TT-Lj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:46:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZM0-0004Qt-G6 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:46:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZLy-0004KW-59 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:46:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZZLx-0004KF-Tw - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:46:29 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZZV9-0004T0-VB - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:56:00 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GKkIAI014628 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:46:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14435 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 20:46:16 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Juergen Weiss; 16 Oct 2006 20:46:16 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GKajv27818; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:36:45 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ghue@xmt.at +From: Tim Daly +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs - <20061016200823.9794.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -Cc: list Axiom will build properly on gcl-2.6.7 You just have to set the GCLVERSION variable and fetch the gcl-2.6.7.tgz from the archive and put it in the zips directory. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZa1-00017Q-7Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:01:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZa0-00017C-Fb - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:01:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZZZy-00013z-W5 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:01:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZZZy-00013m-U0 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:00:58 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZZjA-0006bL-UG - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:10:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2886440F45; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:00:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GKvIgu031893; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:57:20 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GKvIFx031892; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:57:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Gernot Hueber" - <20061016200823.9794.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Oct 2006 22:57:18 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -"Gernot Hueber" writes: +Gernot Hueber writes: | Weiss, Juergen writes: | > -| >> "Gernot Hueber" writes: | Hi, what about the BSDs? +| >> Gernot Hueber writes: | Hi, what about the BSDs? | >> For some time I think I am the only one :-( | >> Currently, you cannot build build-improvements on *BSD because I use | >> some GNUisms in the Makefile (e.g. "export"). That will be fixed @@ -22139,32 +13306,10 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs I use GCL-2.6.7 to build Axiom daily. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbMI-0005ta-JL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:54:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbMH-0005sd-0g - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:54:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbMF-0005rq-8f - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:54:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZbME-0005rb-Ss - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:54:54 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZbVR-0008Tm-Kx - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:04:26 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZbLg-0004BR-00 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:54:20 +0200 -To: list Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:54:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: database fixes Below is a patch that fixes few problems with databases: @@ -22328,45 +13473,11 @@ diff -u pp/build-improvements/src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet build-improvements- (defun write-operationdb () (let (pos master out) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZba5-0006QH-D1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:09:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZba3-0006OL-Tq - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:09:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZba2-0006Nj-7j - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:09:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZba2-0006Nf-5B - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:09:10 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZbjF-0002Ch-MO - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:18:41 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GN8saf028307 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:08:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20789 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 23:08:54 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 16 Oct 2006 23:08:54 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GMxQF27912; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:59:26 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:59:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:54:20 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: database fixes -Cc: list > 2) Patch adds ability to dump uncompressed databases (easier to > read): to get uncompressed format just set *do-not-compress-databases* @@ -22380,42 +13491,11 @@ obsolete. There is a squeeze and an unsqueeze routine. Removing calls to these should create uncompressed databases. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbj4-0003gU-Ks - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:18:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbj2-0003g3-JZ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:18:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbj0-0003fg-Tl - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:18:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZbj0-0003fZ-Oj - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:18:26 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZbsE-0003IB-Bc - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:27:58 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F111F40FBF; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:18:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GNEkx3002173; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:14:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GNEkQg002172; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:14:46 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 01:14:46 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: database fixes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 01:14:46 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -22444,88 +13524,25 @@ My comments: (2) please, please, document behaviour in the pamphlets; not just the code. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbkT-0004qi-QU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbkS-0004mp-CL - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbkQ-0004jl-B7 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZbkQ-0004jS-67 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZbtd-0003Vq-R7 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:29:26 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEB240FDD; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:19:51 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9GNGDx8002212; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:16:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9GNGDdC002211; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:16:13 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 01:16:13 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: database fixes - <200610162259.k9GMxQF27912@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 01:16:13 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Removing calls to these should create uncompressed databases. That sounds better. Please, document what is happening. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbwm-0006WQ-Bs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbwk-0006Sw-FQ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZbwj-0006Ql-D3 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZbwj-0006QF-7l - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:37 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZc5t-0005Vf-VJ - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:42:09 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GNWTVW014287 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:30 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14917 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 23:32:26 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 16 Oct 2006 23:32:26 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9GNMw227942; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:22:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:22:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 17 Oct 2006 01:14:46 +0200) Subject: Re: database fixes - -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > (1) please, please, avoid *var*. Use boot::var @@ -22538,33 +13555,11 @@ so this is a proper way to name it. can i get a witness! amen, amen! stand and sing, all who enter! :-0 (couldn't resist :-) ) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZcFT-0007Wi-Dz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:51:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZcFR-0007V0-8F - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:51:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZcFQ-0007Ty-G6 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:51:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZcFQ-0007Tj-7r - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:51:56 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZcOe-0000y9-12 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:01:28 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZcEq-0005t2-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:51:20 +0200 -Subject: Re: database fixes -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:51:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: database fixes > > 2) Patch adds ability to dump uncompressed databases (easier to > > read): to get uncompressed format just set *do-not-compress-databases* @@ -22599,32 +13594,7 @@ IMHO current compression code add very little to complexity of Axiom so I am not sure if I want remove it (removal is easy, but what if we need to re-add it later?). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZcTG-0002xq-IL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZcTD-0002tq-ME - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZcTB-0002rJ-VW - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZcTB-0002r5-Lv - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:09 -0400 -Received: from [157.92.11.66] (helo=woody.df.uba.ar) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZccP-0002ES-1B - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:15:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost (rex.df.uba.ar [157.92.11.80]) - by woody.df.uba.ar (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9H04nMm016022 - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:04:50 -0300 +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:05:55 -0300 From: Alejandro Jakubi To: list @@ -22660,7 +13630,7 @@ documents in either case. > I've had discussions with Jurgen Gerhard of Maplesoft about the > licensing issue. -An "e" seems to be missing in the cc address jgerhard@maplsoft.com. +An "e" seems to be missing in the cc address Jurgen Gerhard. > problem. Perhaps their new licensing scheme will allow us to create > "custom" Doyen CDs that have keys which are registered to conference @@ -22836,45 +13806,11 @@ scientific platform. 9. My USB drive is not mounted at boot nor any entry for it is made in /etc/fstab. Anyway, I can mount it later on. - - -Regards, Alejandro Jakubi - - - - - - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZd8c-0003kV-Ci - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:48:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZd8Z-0003gw-TS - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:48:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZd8T-0003bU-BR - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:48:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZd8S-0003ao-IO - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:48:48 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZdHg-00081L-4h - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:58:20 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZd6L-0001JK-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:46:37 +0200 -Subject: Re: database fixes -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:46:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: database fixes Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > (2) please, please, document behaviour in the pamphlets; not just @@ -22901,44 +13837,11 @@ but: 3) For me diff is a very important tool and to make my work easier (or even possible) I want to do minimal changes. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZdnm-0001fH-Ks - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZdnk-0001dF-Pl - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZdnh-0001YP-TD - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZdnh-0001Y3-HM - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZdww-0002H0-C7 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:40:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B4ED0691DE; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7242A65311; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: database fixes +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: database fixes -Thread-Index: Acbxhgww6EzyUWdsTWiI3njydyr3JQAA+oBQ From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: database fixes On Monday, October 16, 2006 8:47 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -22971,40 +13874,11 @@ these patches should be changes to the pamphlet files which result in an easy to understand document (e.g. in dvi format) and which produce your modified code when input to notangle. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZeYE-0000PW-88 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:19:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZeYC-0000Nb-QS - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:19:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZeYA-0000KI-Qb - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:19:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZeYA-0000KB-Ok - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:19:26 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.227] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZehQ-0002v0-55 - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:29:00 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so1727675wxd - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:25 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=sQlbzJELwSyGiASlFTvYagvH+1n0OGiYa8Ed9drs9CgQY06F6Q3TbkHYTIhM6fdad/A0Eb+WZJtNqmiMXNyliKPm0LefK5y8ZTJ42S3dYVVJkZbhiBoe9ntpfHPp6p72+TAGo2qqT9W+wxVDooKuXFVKGAwXGQtF0IVq5MFq/D0= -Received: by 10.90.63.16 with SMTP id l16mr4243397aga; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:24 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:19:24 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alejandro Jakubi" Alejandro Jakubi +To: Alejandro Jakubi Subject: re: doyen -Cc: list Alejandro, @@ -23097,40 +13971,11 @@ gain in space. Can you open a bug report for this. -Thank you, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZejM-0007LU-Ul - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:31:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZejL-0007JO-6k - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:30:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZejK-0007I6-ER - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:30:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZejK-0007Ht-7p - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:30:58 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.70] (helo=web56711.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZesZ-0005Se-KF - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:40:31 -0400 -Received: (qmail 84282 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2006 02:30:57 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=Fvu8u0p4z81/BSWWAXHBtRcDJRlHtmnZKAVIBiNfsuV3cITCGch82vsPk5rpEYLsg/1RiZWxl18eA6Wp9Pg+t/cQ2DBcTydTWcV0/lZoGtHCzjY/7RSA0/kVbJGZ2QqN9OefBzxb/2/LeTT+8CaqQisIzY/8cfYj7jlnnojse24= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56711.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:30:57 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: database fixes To: Waldek Hebisch, Tim Daly -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: database fixes --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -23170,39 +14015,11 @@ general overview of the design concepts and issues of databases. Guess I'll need to add a few papers on database theory to the reading list ;-). -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZfE3-0002Fr-7a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:02:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZfE1-0002Ci-HO - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:02:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZfDz-0002AD-Oi - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:02:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZfDz-00029S-HX - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:02:39 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZfNE-0003l1-SY - for list; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:12:13 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZfDL-0007L2-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:01:59 +0200 -Subject: Re: database fixes -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:01:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: database fixes > On Monday, October 16, 2006 8:47 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > ... @@ -23288,35 +14105,11 @@ The patch I wrote changed the paphlet file. I admit that I did not use dvi viewer to check formatting, but since the parts I changed follow textual format using only text terminal should be OK. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZg9y-000281-Nm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:02:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZg9x-00023T-AP - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:02:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZg9w-00021J-Nw - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:02:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZg9w-00020t-Gn - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:02:32 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZgJC-0004O3-EU - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:12:06 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GZg9L-0002j6-00; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:01:55 +0200 -Subject: Re: database fixes -To: Cliff Yapp +\start Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:01:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: database fixes CY wrote: > 1. The main purpose of the "database" is, as I understand it, to @@ -23352,45 +14145,12 @@ are bad fit for Axiom: Axiom is very demanding in aspect where databases are likely to be weak and do not need strong parts of a database. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgCl-0008OD-F1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:05:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgCj-0008Kz-AJ - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:05:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgCe-0008DG-2W - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:05:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZgCd-0008Cu-SU - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:05:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZgLu-0004lT-34 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:14:54 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H450Zp016590 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:05:09 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26256 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 04:05:01 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 17 Oct 2006 04:05:01 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9H3taB28068; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:55:36 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:55:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp - from C Y on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:30:57 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: database fixes -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > 1. The main purpose of the "database" is, as I understand it, to > enable the loading of mathematical knowledge on an "as needed" basis @@ -23423,43 +14183,11 @@ if i were to do it now i'd either keep the hash tables in the image or put them in a file and memory map the file. linux probably reads the whole file into memory when it opens anyway. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgKd-0007UX-Dj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgKc-0007U9-Lq - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgKY-0007TZ-OM - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZgKY-0007TU-KJ - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZgTp-0006Yo-0a - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:23:05 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 035FB6AF78; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:30 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B83C56965B; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: database fixes Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:13:19 -0400 -Thread-Topic: database fixes -Thread-Index: AcbxmLbSsRwReEIOT66czfAmdFagFwAASomQ From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Bill Page -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: database fixes > Bill Page wrote: > > ... In a literate program the document contains the code so it @@ -23469,9 +14197,9 @@ Cc: list > > > -On Monday, October 16, 2006 11:02 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote:=20 +On Monday, October 16, 2006 11:02 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Let us look at an example. I wrote: ->=20 +> > ------------------------ > .... > ; Clean old data @@ -23481,9 +14209,9 @@ On Monday, October 16, 2006 11:02 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote:=20 > (setq *allconstructors* nil) > ... > ------------------------ ->=20 +> > Do you think that: ->=20 +> > ------------------------ > ... > <> @@ -23491,16 +14219,16 @@ On Monday, October 16, 2006 11:02 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote:=20 > To clean old data we loop over all symbols from [[boot]] > package and reset [[boot::database]] property to [[nil]]. > We also rest [boot::*allconstructors*]] to [[nil]]. -> <>=3D +> <>= > (do-symbols (symbol) > (when (get symbol 'database) > (setf (get symbol 'database) nil))) > (setq *allconstructors* nil) > ------------------------ ->=20 +> > is better (I admit that as a reader I find the first version > much better). ->=20 +> When you say "as a reader", I wonder what you are reading: the Lisp code or the dvi document that you generated from the @@ -23524,15 +14252,15 @@ I probably would not have written: Instead the text should say why we do that. -> =20 +> > > > 2) AFAIK Tim is working on the same file and scattered changes > > > (or some re-organization) is likely to create conflict with > > > his changes. -> >=20 +> > > > No problem. That is why we use version control systems. You both > > can make changes and conflicts can be easily resolved. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > version control detects conflicts. One has still manually resolve > them. If Tim permute hunks in one way and I in another way then > resolving conflicts will require some work. @@ -23545,15 +14273,15 @@ not stop you from contributing your work to the repository. If everyone hesitates and only one person at a time can work on the system, progress will be very slow. ->=20 +> > > > 3) For me diff is a very important tool and to make my work > > > easier (or even possible) I want to do minimal changes. -> >=20 +> > > > If you wish to run diff on only the code you should run notangle > > first to extract just the code from each literate document > > (pamphlet). > > ->=20 +> > If I have to notangle files before doing work on then, then why > this talk about literate programming? @@ -23577,18 +14305,18 @@ final result not the details of source line indentation and coding. But if we are debugging a problem and are deeply into the flow of a program, then it makes sense to me to focus on the code by using notangle first, just the way the compiler/makefile would. - =20 + > > What Gaby (and Tim Daly) are saying is that when you submit > > patches, these patches should be changes to the pamphlet files > > which result in an easy to understand document (e.g. in dvi > > format) and which produce your modified code when input to > > notangle. > > ->=20 +> > The patch I wrote changed the pamphlet file. I admit that I did > not use dvi viewer to check formatting, but since the parts I > changed follow textual format using only text terminal should be -> OK. =20 +> OK. Actually I agree. Your original patch was not so bad - it is just that it did not add any explanation to the document itself. @@ -23611,45 +14339,11 @@ In any case, I do very much appreciate your work on this problem and your willingness to contribute it to the Axiom source code repositories. Thank you very much! :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgPv-00056Q-Hw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:19:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgPs-00050t-WB - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:19:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgPp-0004uk-Rj - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:19:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZgPp-0004uW-Le - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:18:57 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZgZ6-00074U-5G - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:28:32 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H4Icon017613 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:18:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19621 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 04:18:39 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 17 Oct 2006 04:18:39 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9H49Dq28083; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:09:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:09:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:01:59 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: database fixes -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch - > > On Monday, October 16, 2006 8:47 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > > ... @@ -23752,64 +14446,33 @@ always latex the sources, always compile and run the sources. (gaby and bill disagree with me) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZge6-00020F-Lb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZge5-0001zg-7j - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZge4-0001z9-0S - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZge3-0001z4-T1 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:39 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZgnK-0000Fj-DV - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:43:14 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2D49C6B48D; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D06686AF53; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:37 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: database fixes Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:33:43 -0400 -Thread-Topic: database fixes -Thread-Index: Acbxo1yFYVzUwOJxQuOAdm29d9D4CgAAHoRA From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +Subject: RE: database fixes On Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:09 AM Tim Daly wrote: > ... > > Waldek Hebisch wrote -> >=20 +> > > > The patch I wrote changed the paphlet file. I admit that I did > > not use dvi viewer to check formatting, but since the parts I > > changed follow textual format using only text terminal should be -> > OK. =20 ->=20 +> > OK. +> > ummm, well, the pamphlet file IS the source code. if you changed > the lisp code would you post a change without trying it? if you > changed the latex would you post a change without trying it? ->=20 +> > it's all 'one thing', not code+documentation. > think of latex as a compiler stage. > always latex the sources, always compile and run the sources. ->=20 +> > (gaby and bill disagree with me) ->=20 +> Actually I don't think we disagree. At least I do agree that running latex on the noweave output from a modified pamphlet file @@ -23825,37 +14488,11 @@ documentation is quite inconvenient. For that reason I think that it makes sense to provide a 'make' option that omits this step when desirable. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgnW-0001vi-0R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:43:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgnU-0001uJ-K7 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:43:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZgnS-0001rc-Lj - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:43:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZgnS-0001r0-22 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:43:22 -0400 -Received: from [157.92.11.66] (helo=woody.df.uba.ar) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZgwi-0001bC-8u - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:52:56 -0400 -Received: from localhost (rex.df.uba.ar [157.92.11.80]) - by woody.df.uba.ar (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9H4g9Mm028678; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:42:10 -0300 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:43:15 -0300 From: Alejandro Jakubi To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: doyen - -Cc: list Alfredo @@ -23876,43 +14513,11 @@ alone about 40-50s (the connection is made via a serial modem). Yes, it does not save to /home/doyen but it does save to /home/doyen/Desktop. -Regards, Alejandro - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhGX-0005sK-Ot - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:13:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhGV-0005p7-9c - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:13:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhGS-0005lw-Vk - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhGS-0005la-NA - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:13:20 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.229] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhPj-00080Z-Q4 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:22:55 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so1770302wxd - for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:13:20 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=E1kP8UnmA4RDati53oLy1nFTlpNLImSJI41IFEt09SisBFOSKb8CFAUfZ11MehERZMoG2uK6T2KH0IWGB7o7LlSVYIaYo0yKdSgmYz9GtVuBwQy+jSTUcReAOYrrBLBzGpEOowhKDHVyZpJEeGJgod84meyJ7rNvQZG1I16ue1s= -Received: by 10.90.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr4276196aga; - Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:13:19 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:13:19 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alejandro Jakubi" Alejandro Jakubi +To: Alejandro Jakubi Subject: re: doyen - - -Cc: list Hi Alejandro, @@ -23943,44 +14548,11 @@ me a better performance :-). I see said the blind the man :-). Consider this fixed. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhJI-0001ba-Ly - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:16:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhJH-0001aq-Uo - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:16:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhJG-0001Yy-Gx - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:16:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhJG-0001Yk-3X - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:16:14 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhSX-0008Oc-3h - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:25:49 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C68640ED6; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:16:05 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9H5CRYW007436; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:12:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9H5CRnY007435; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:12:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:12:22 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: database fixes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:12:22 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -24000,46 +14572,14 @@ language. | Do you think that changes I made need more comments? -Yes. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhKW-0002o5-6y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:17:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhKT-0002mF-QX - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:17:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhKQ-0002j1-3I - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:17:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhKP-0002id-MI - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:17:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhTg-0000Yw-PJ - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:27:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7692240E31; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:17:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9H5DiJO007440; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:13:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9H5DiBC007439; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:13:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:13:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: database fixes - - <200610162322.k9GNMw227942@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:13:44 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > (2) please, please, document behaviour in the pamphlets; not just | > the code. @@ -24050,42 +14590,12 @@ root Tim Daly writes: I would have made exactly the same request, was it a change for GCC -- which isn't "literate" in the sense you understand it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhNy-0007pt-7k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:21:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhNv-0007lD-0e - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:21:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhNu-0007jI-Dl - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:21:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhNt-0007hk-9N - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:21:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhXA-0000rA-EU - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:36 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC86340E27; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:20:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9H5HJsp007463; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:17:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9H5HJNM007462; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:17:19 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:17:19 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: database fixes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:17:19 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Bill Page writes: @@ -24107,42 +14617,11 @@ _what_ the code is doing, by *why* it is doing it. I believe Waldek proposed changes should contain *why*, not _what_. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhPL-0001Mk-HP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:22:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhPI-0001Jp-I2 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:22:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhPH-0001Hp-Bt - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:22:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhPG-0001Hd-I5 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:22:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhYX-00010N-Ko - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:32:01 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2274640E35; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:22:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9H5IjXR007467; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:18:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9H5IjM8007466; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:18:45 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:18:45 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: database fixes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:18:45 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -24156,45 +14635,14 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I'm asking you to include an explanation of *why* that is essential; what is the goal; not what the code is doing (that I can read it). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhTa-00071g-Nr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:26:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhTX-0006yd-0F - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:26:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhTU-0006wf-Du - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:26:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhTU-0006wX-3U - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:26:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhcl-0001Up-6E - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:36:23 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3611F4F3D2; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:26:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9H5N69s007674; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:23:09 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9H5N6gb007673; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:23:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:23:06 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: database fixes - <200610170409.k9H49Dq28083@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:23:06 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > > On Monday, October 16, 2006 8:47 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: | > > > ... @@ -24248,42 +14696,12 @@ yes, *why* is the main important thing. As I'm sure you know; the issue there is really different, and should not be conflated with this one. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhUQ-0007st-KA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:27:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhUL-0007m4-Tf - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:27:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZhUI-0007hv-Qo - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:27:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZhUH-0007gA-NE - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:27:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZhdY-0001a2-Fm - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:37:12 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADAE40F6C; 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Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:26:20 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:26:20 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: database fixes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Oct 2006 07:26:20 +0200 -Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Bill Page writes: @@ -24417,34 +14771,10 @@ You very well capture the essence of my original remarks. Indeed. More Waldeks would be appreciated for Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZjOT-0003Au-Ly - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:29:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZjOR-00038Q-9u - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:29:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZjOO-00033k-6q - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:29:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZjOO-00033S-2c - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:29:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZjXg-0003tr-C2 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:39:16 -0400 -Received: (qmail 38238 invoked by uid 89); 17 Oct 2006 07:29:22 -0000 - <20061016200823.9794.qmail@mail.xmt.at> - <200610162036.k9GKajv27818@localhost.localdomain> -From: "Gernot Hueber" -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:29:22 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gernot Hueber +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs root writes: @@ -24459,43 +14789,10 @@ Hi, I used the gcl-system approach with success. -Gernot - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZkRA-0006qp-53 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:36:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZkR5-0006pL-GQ - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:36:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZkQx-0006mc-Sd - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:36:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZkQw-0006mE-QA - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:36:23 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZkaF-0003yx-As - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:45:59 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GZkQo-0002kY-2g; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:36:14 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GZkQo-000861-1p; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:36:14 +0200 -To: axiom-dev , - Timothy Daly Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 Oct 2006 10:36:42 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Not building on Kubuntu Dear all, @@ -24570,37 +14867,11 @@ GNU Make 3.81beta4 nawk -W version mawk 1.3.3 Nov 1996, Copyright (C) Michael D. Brennan - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZkyF-0005FI-OP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:10:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZkyC-0005EA-3m - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:10:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZky7-0005AE-8x - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:10:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZky5-00059Y-Ui - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:10:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZl7O-0000JM-T1 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:20:15 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9H9AX8V013626 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:10:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:12:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: database fixes -Cc: list > Let us look at an example. I wrote: > @@ -24651,39 +14922,11 @@ but, it is nice that one can put (repeat) a part of that definition in the name of the code chunk. That very much helps to recognise the relation between code and corresponding mathematics. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZoOf-0006Ou-Ns - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZoOc-0006Mb-Ui - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZoOZ-0006I4-IK - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZoOZ-0006Hl-80 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:11 -0400 -Received: from [70.168.83.79] (helo=centrmmtao05.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZoXu-0001sG-CE - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:59:50 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20061017125011.FORU23166.centrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:11 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id bQpa1V00J3wCxUe0000000 - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:49:35 -0400 +Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:48:47 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: re: doyen -Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:48:47 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: On Monday 16 October 2006 20:05, Alejandro Jakubi wrote: > Tim, Alfredo, CY @@ -24849,107 +15092,42 @@ that the cost of NOT investigating and using it is too high to tolerate. It has a good start, but won't be there for many years. Eventually I think it could and should become the TeX of computer algebra. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZpbk-0005Q8-Sx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZpbe-0005Ha-B4 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZpbY-0005EO-Sj - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZpbY-0005EJ-H3 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZpku-0007Jb-NU - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:17:20 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HE6rYk024950 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:24 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12929 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 14:06:54 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 17 Oct 2006 14:06:54 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9HDvXa28741; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:57:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:57:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 17 Oct 2006 10:36:42 +0200) -Cc: list Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu try make AWK=awk -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZrOB-0005uF-IK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:01:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZrO9-0005qv-6C - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:01:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZrO5-0005l9-3Z - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:01:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZrO4-0005ks-74 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:01:52 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZrO4-0008Od-HJ - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:01:52 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.248.121] (ALille-251-1-57-121.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.248.121]) - by mwinf1912.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2F0A31C0008E; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:01:28 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: depsys -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160108.k9G18sb26782@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160248.k9G2mLZ26833@localhost.localdomain> - Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:01:05 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys -Le lundi 16 octobre 2006 =E0 18:05 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 -> root Tim Daly writes: ->=20 +Le lundi 16 octobre 2006 =E0 18:05 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : +> Tim Daly writes: +> > | > (1) it leads to wrong behaviour; this is factual. -> |=20 +> | > | But Axiom's been like this for years. ->=20 +> > It does not mean it was correct :-) ->=20 +> > | What is wrong about the behavior? ->=20 +> > I explained the behaviour that you can reproduce. Try it with depsys, > bootsys. ->=20 +> > | > (1) all the settings of that variable I've audited do not seem to a= gree on > | > on a single value. Consequently, it is wrong on semantics > | > consideration. (Yes, I appreciate the settings are conditional)= . -> |=20 +> | > | What do you believe is the correct setting? And why? ->=20 +> > (1) Setting the variable leads to the wrong behaviour I described earli= er. > (2) Then, I went to grep for that variable. The output is that it is @@ -24960,37 +15138,37 @@ er. Some other information/manifestations (axiom and not depsys): This is a Debian version -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +============ GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.6 CLtL1 Jan 20 2005 00:03:46 [...] - AXIOM Computer Algebra System=20 + AXIOM Computer Algebra System Version: Axiom 3.0 Beta (February 2005) - Timestamp: Monday March 21, 2005 at 01:36:09=20 + Timestamp: Monday March 21, 2005 at 01:36:09 [...] (1) -> )lis $current-directory -(1) ->=20 -Value =3D "/home/greg/" +(1) -> +Value = "/home/greg/" (1) -> )cd Axiom The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/Axiom/ -------------------------------------------------------------- Axiom patch-50 (gcl-2.6.8pre2): -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - AXIOM Computer Algebra System=20 +========================== +========================== +============ + AXIOM Computer Algebra System Version: Axiom (September 2006) - Timestamp: Saturday October 14, 2006 at 05:38:35=20 + Timestamp: Saturday October 14, 2006 at 05:38:35 [...] (1) -> )lis $current-directory -Value =3D "/usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/NIL/" +Value = "/usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/NIL/" (1) -> -- used by the )cd system command (1) -> )lis (trace interp-make-directory) -Value =3D (INTERP-MAKE-DIRECTORY) +Value = (INTERP-MAKE-DIRECTORY) (1) -> )cd Axiom 1> (INTERP-MAKE-DIRECTORY |Axiom|) @@ -25000,11 +15178,11 @@ Value =3D (INTERP-MAKE-DIRECTORY) Can't change the current directory to "/usr/local/axiom/mnt/linux/NIL/". -(1) -> )cd =20 - The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/=20 +(1) -> )cd + The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/ (1) -> )lis $current-directory -Value =3D "/home/greg/" +Value = "/home/greg/" (1) -> )cd Axiom 1> (INTERP-MAKE-DIRECTORY |Axiom|) @@ -25014,46 +15192,18 @@ Value =3D "/home/greg/" The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/Axiom/ ----------------------------------------------------------- -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZsKJ-00020Y-RA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZsKH-0001vN-V6 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZsKD-0001kO-Oa - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZsKD-0001jd-DP - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:01:57 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZsKE-0000II-Fc - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:01:58 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.248.121] (ALille-251-1-57-121.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.248.121]) - by mwinf1903.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4703B1C0008E - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:01:35 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:01:10 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: [Fwd: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts] Hello, It seems that this mail was forgotten. It's a typo in the code -(bookvol5) so a real bug.=20 +(bookvol5) so a real bug. -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- -De: Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem -=C0: Axiom-Developer -Sujet: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts -Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:29:28 +0200 Hello, @@ -25061,7 +15211,7 @@ Hello, @@ -4333,7 +4332,7 @@ (spadlet plist (getalist (caar fenv) v)) (cond - (plist=20 + (plist - (|clearCmdparts| (cons '|propert| (cons v nil))) + (|clearCmdParts| (cons '|propert| (cons v nil))) @@ -25073,95 +15223,27 @@ To trigger this error start AXIOMsys and issue the following commands: -- (always the same question -- "do you really want to import everything...") -- so you need to add something to the history --- (here a:=3D1/2) -a:=3D1/2 +-- (here a:=1/2) +a:=1/2 )frame new test )frame import initial >> System error: |clearCmdparts| is invalid as a function. - -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZurc-0001SY-JJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZura-0001NI-BE - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZurX-0001HY-VD - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZurX-0001H3-Cw - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:31 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZurT-000056-6V - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:31 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HJiFh7014267 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16693 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 19:44:14 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 17 Oct 2006 19:44:14 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9HJYiM28956; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:34:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:34:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:01:05 +0200) Subject: Re: depsys - <200610141543.k9EFhX718150@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610141632.k9EGWBI18201@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160108.k9G18sb26782@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610160248.k9G2mLZ26833@localhost.localdomain> - - <1161100865.2807.12.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list hmmm, looks like gcl breakage somehow. checking --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZvXD-0004l6-PW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:27:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZvXC-0004gt-H0 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:27:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZvXB-0004es-Ta - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:27:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZvXB-0004eX-EM - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:27:33 -0400 -Received: from [157.92.11.66] (helo=woody.df.uba.ar) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GZvXA-0000ub-UK - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:27:33 -0400 -Received: from localhost (rex.df.uba.ar [157.92.11.80]) - by woody.df.uba.ar (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k9HKQC0K031147; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:26:20 -0300 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:27:18 -0300 From: Alejandro Jakubi To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: doyen - <200610170848.48522.Cliff Yapp> -Cc: list - -CY > That's not possible in general - if nothing else, the hardware platforms on > which software is run will not remain static. A result turned out on a PDP-8 @@ -25191,41 +15273,12 @@ paper, it will not make much sense to archive papers with code for long. To the contrary, the success of initiatives like ArXiV for archiving text and figures is based on the stability of TeX and PostScript. - -Regards, Alejandro - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZz8F-0007ku-OC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZz8D-0007gA-Lj - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZz89-0007YL-E7 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZz89-0007XW-1F - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:57 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZz88-0004YH-OS - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:57 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-24.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.24]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9I03HSt002218 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:03:18 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id BF4CB1A9C8; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:05:39 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Oct 2006 19:05:39 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: new boot and old boot - Hi, I have been experimenting with compiling src/interp with New Boot. @@ -25304,84 +15357,22 @@ to use "of". ; atom x => x ; first x - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZz8t-0000QD-GG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZz8r-0000MP-J8 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZz8o-0000Gj-3m - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZz8n-0000GS-So - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:37 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.62] (helo=web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZz8n-0004hd-PF - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:18:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 88929 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 00:18:37 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=sgnNEbTtBRQMHQsY55v2Jv3vbAZswLxL1iNP4ck9Ksqj4ryT6cblDiESGV1lU8Rw5IeW4Ipsjo2XJQBqptGciBFOucYJ+weqPoO62TUgkM5CfzQ894XywQif9ox5VSn25NiNMxj4/yzKH/BAKJ5Rkt3Gl1rJNHb5ZAfBghWWkmM= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:18:37 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list -Subject: One more integral to add to the tests, - if not already there +Subject: One more integral to add to the tests, if not already there integrate(%e^cos(x)*cos(x-sin(x)),x = 0..2*%pi) Apparently this can be solved by Mathematica in it's upcoming version. We currently get "failed." -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZzLK-00087N-2r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:31:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZzLH-00081h-2r - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:31:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZzLE-0007qf-9W - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:31:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZzLD-0007pz-Il - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:31:27 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.73] (helo=web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZzLD-0007RH-Gv - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:31:27 -0400 -Received: (qmail 99426 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 00:31:27 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=dSDmo6oAuwqG52yb5eulbOgE3sS+6A35Ir9AyOAv4oLwRJORpX6exIV4Ttev6gkOFUWi2gJ/jh5Gb6dQG8ckwPle0c3Kz2RVx9gzSC9m/P1yCeWrfVt07l13BleyRhoJ/IlRd33txr1e+EKdsmPX1EMnVoWySFRsPdLBd6EK6CQ= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:31:26 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: new boot and old boot To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Cc: - - ---- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: +Subject: Re: new boot and old boot > > Hi, @@ -25401,51 +15392,11 @@ I doubt it was generating loadable lisp :-( You're doing some really exciting work Gaby - thank you! -Cheers, -CY - -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZzrJ-0000le-G5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZzrH-0000gy-Eh - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GZzrC-0000XN-4w - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GZzrB-0000Ww-S1 - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:30 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZzrB-0003HJ-Dc - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B963840F6A; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9I10jhv028641; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:00:48 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9I10j1J028640; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:00:45 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 18 Oct 2006 03:00:45 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: new boot and old boot -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Oct 2006 03:00:45 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -25472,51 +15423,20 @@ I've not done much this week, because of more pressing things here to deal with. I'll post more questions, and no doubt we will have more discussions :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga0DH-0004G7-O3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga0DG-0004BN-3O - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga0DF-00047d-3W - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga0DE-00046r-Cx - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:16 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga0DE-0005uH-7E - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:16 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CA8BF686BF; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:14 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 97E6468684; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:13 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Not building on Kubuntu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:27:12 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Not building on Kubuntu -Thread-Index: AcbxyQg8egq3roZSTKy3UFslYrkzEgAh6ZEg From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: RE: Not building on Kubuntu Martin, On October 17, 2006 4:37 AM you wrote: ->=20 -> the maths department just switched to kubuntu. Although axiom=20 +> +> the maths department just switched to kubuntu. Although axiom > is included, I'd like to have the possibility to compile it > myself. Well, it doesn't work. -> ...=20 +> ... Kubuntu is part of the Ubuntu project which is closely related to Debian, so for compiling Axiom I think the simplist way to @@ -25529,39 +15449,10 @@ you might also have more success building Axiom from the new build-improvements branch then from the olden golden version, since it can build Axiom in a similar way as on Debian. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga0zp-0004OH-VG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:17:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga0zn-0004Kx-Fq - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:17:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga0zm-0004Jl-HZ - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:17:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga0zm-0004Jg-CB - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:17:26 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.230] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga0zm-0003fK-6d - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:17:26 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so129756wxd - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:25 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; - b=gdTlcIj85NYxRuA2PP0RCEsblzR9GcT9yqYPApsUcz/KJPZEvbf7fbGWQCvZZu6CfH+MXv4mW6w8m2ENuR7hgx3Cze2vQ+6ebAmYCG9LHTBu6ds+U66a/OlC2Jk15H9Lm/K5+bGPygPDVn7DNzxOIkMXLfULEz7O1UBc6aSK3gk= -Received: by 10.90.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr5697472aga; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:25 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:17:25 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Tim Daly Subject: Doyen Hi Tim, @@ -25571,33 +15462,11 @@ http://daly.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen04262005.iso image. What do you think? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga1uv-0008PX-Pm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga1uu-0008K8-5f - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga1us-0008HC-TK - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga1us-0008GV-Ep - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:26 -0400 -Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga1us-00039u-Dw - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:26 -0400 -Received: from [162.83.161.200] (account ) - by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) - with HTTP id 8619547; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:21 -0400 -From: "William Sit" -Subject: Re: One more integral to add to the tests, - if not already there -To: Cliff Yapp,list Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:21 -0400 -Cc: +From: William Sit +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: One more integral to add to the tests, if not already there On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -25627,41 +15496,10 @@ Out[3]= which looks like the exact answer is 2 Pi. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga21w-0001Fu-W9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga21v-0001DQ-3Q - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga21u-0001CS-8P - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga21t-0001CH-RA - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga21t-0004A1-LU - for list; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0F2ED68755; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A48FD68742; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:39 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: Acbv+JoaHvCkQLycRYGph2n0V05y0ACZM04g From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -25675,7 +15513,7 @@ created a tarball and scp'd it and the standard gnu gettext-0.15 and sed-4.1.4 tarballs to my home directory on SourceForge. Next I compiled and installed gettext and sed with - --prefix=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx + --prefix=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx creating the ~/osx/bin and ~/osx/lib directories. These are apparently required to satisfy the gcl build dependencies on OSX 10.2. (Note: A Fink installation might also have provided @@ -25683,9 +15521,9 @@ these in the /sw directory.) Then I added: - export PATH=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin:$PATH - export LIBRARY_PATH=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/lib:$LIBRARY_PATH - export CPPFLAGS=3D"-no-cpp-precomp" + export PATH=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin:$PATH + export LIBRARY_PATH=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/lib:$LIBRARY_PATH + export CPPFLAGS="-no-cpp-precomp" cd osx to ~/.profile so that after re-login the environment was set @@ -25708,19 +15546,19 @@ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs # Set this to avoid warnings when linking against libncurses. # This is due to the requirements of the two level namespace. --LIBS :=3D `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` = +-LIBS := `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` = /sw/lib/libintl.dylib -+LIBS :=3D `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` -lintl ++LIBS := `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` -lintl # Set this for the linker to operate correctly. - MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET =3D 10.2 + MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET = 10.2 @@ -32,4 +32,4 @@ # This appears to be no longer necessary on Panther. - ARRS =3D libtool -static -o + ARRS = libtool -static -o --FINAL_CFLAGS :=3D `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` +-FINAL_CFLAGS := `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` \ No newline at end of file -+FINAL_CFLAGS :=3D `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` ++FINAL_CFLAGS := `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` This patch is required to define sbrk. @@ -25730,7 +15568,7 @@ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.h +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.h Sun Oct 15 21:32:23 2006 @@ -38,8 +38,9 @@ #undef SET_REAL_MAXPAGE - #define SET_REAL_MAXPAGE { my_sbrk(0); real_maxpage =3D (int) + #define SET_REAL_MAXPAGE { my_sbrk(0); real_maxpage = (int) mach_maplimit/PAGESIZE; } -#define sbrk my_sbrk @@ -25748,14 +15586,14 @@ diff -Naur old/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile new/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile Mon Oct 16 22:03:52 2006 @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ print a}' \ - k=3D$(LEADING_UNDERSCORE) |\ + k=$(LEADING_UNDERSCORE) |\ sort | \ - grep -v '[^ \t_]_' |\ + grep -v 'restFP' | grep -v 'saveFP' | grep -v '[^ \t_]_' |\ - $(AWK) '{A[++k]=3D$$0} END {for = -(i=3D1;i<=3Dk;i++) \ - printf("MY_PLT(%s)%s\n",A[i],i=3D=3Dk ? = + $(AWK) '{A[++k]=$$0} END {for = +(i=1;i<=k;i++) \ + printf("MY_PLT(%s)%s\n",A[i],i==k ? = "" : ",");}' >$@ @@ -25785,7 +15623,7 @@ ppc-osx3:~/osx billpage$ Finally I built gcl with the following commands: - ./configure --prefix=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx \ + ./configure --prefix=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx \ --disable-tkconfig --disable-statsysbfd --enable-locbfd make make install @@ -25803,42 +15641,11 @@ problems. I am currently working on completing the Axiom build based on the new build-improvements branch. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4ZL-0000Ci-2A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4ZI-000066-Bx - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4ZG-0008TY-2a - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga4ZF-0008Sr-ON - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga4ZF-0006Iw-66 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:17 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Ga4ZD-0006Gw-7A; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:06:15 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Ga4ZB-0006b6-Lv; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:06:15 +0200 +Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:06:13 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:06:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Dear Bill, Tim, @@ -25874,41 +15681,10 @@ which has gawk, and copy it. Tim: make AWK=awk doesn't work either, same result. (I.e., backslashes in the Makefile) It would really be good to fix this. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4Zr-0001hc-4A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4Zp-0001cZ-8w - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4Zn-0001XV-HN - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga4Zn-0001Wq-5Y - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:51 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga4Zm-0006NY-R4 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:50 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I66YsA027528 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:06:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 29525 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 06:06:35 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 18 Oct 2006 06:06:35 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9I5v9O29258; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:57:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:57:09 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes - (Alfredo Portes) -Cc: list Subject: Re: Doyen > I think we should remove, update, or link to the Fedora livecd the @@ -25918,84 +15694,24 @@ Subject: Re: Doyen good idea. done. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4cG-0008WT-RX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:09:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4cF-0008Rl-4B - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:09:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4cC-0008ID-1M - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:09:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga4cB-0008Gx-U2 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:09:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga4c5-0006iq-QE - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:09:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I690fO016223 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:09:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17380 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 06:09:01 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Camm Maguire; 18 Oct 2006 06:09:01 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9I5xZA29262; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:59:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:59:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire Bill, Are you able to do save-system in gcl on OSX? That's my current limitation. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4hT-0001F9-FL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:14:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4hR-0001Ev-VM - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:14:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4hQ-0001EE-Jc - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:14:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga4hQ-0001EA-E6 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:14:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga4hQ-0007dx-82 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:14:44 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I6EbcR017105 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:14:37 -0400 -Received: (qmail 27051 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 06:14:38 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Camm Maguire; 18 Oct 2006 06:14:38 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9I65BV29283; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:05:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:05:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire i have gcl-2.6.8pre2 running but cannot do save-system i have rebuilt the makefiles so the bootsys and depsys @@ -26010,44 +15726,13 @@ solve the problem. unfortunately i have a 3 day meeting in work starting this morning but i'll try to get your patches applied by this weekend. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4iG-0001qT-UG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:15:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4iE-0001nR-Af - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:15:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4iC-0001lk-GC - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:15:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga4iC-0001le-4g - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:15:32 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga4iB-0007lu-G2 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:15:32 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Ga4i9-0003BB-DH; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:15:29 +0200 -Received: from login.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.250] - helo=login.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Ga4i9-0006q1-CD; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:15:29 +0200 -To: "William Sit" -Subject: Re: One more integral to add to the tests, - if not already there -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:15:27 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: One more integral to add to the tests, if not already there -"William Sit" writes: +"William Sit" William Sit writes: > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) > Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -26124,51 +15809,20 @@ Maybe you could look into this, Cliff? You will have to consider the proposed fix to issue #191 -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4j9-0002xq-6c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4j6-0002rQ-Te - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga4j3-0002iv-27 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga4j2-0002iP-LD - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:24 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga4j2-0007vK-Fa - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:24 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BCAAA6863F; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 676C168637; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:16:17 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: Acbye/i6kfyk/l4TSJCSaLNuPlqw6QAAK2Gw From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 +Cc: Camm Maguire -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:00 AM you asked: ->=20 +> > Are you able to do save-system in gcl on OSX? > That's my current limitation. ->=20 +> Yes. The following sequence works: @@ -26180,44 +15834,12 @@ Yes. The following sequence works: Can you suggest a more significant test? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga56y-0001mA-Gp - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:41:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga56w-0001hK-6g - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:41:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga56s-0001aV-E3 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:41:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga56s-0001aF-8K - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:41:02 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga56o-0002dY-ID - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:41:02 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I6eoAg005842 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:40:50 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13878 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 06:40:51 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 18 Oct 2006 06:40:51 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9I6VP329358; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:31:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:31:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire > > > > Are you able to do save-system in gcl on OSX? @@ -26240,44 +15862,11 @@ and get the system together. great news. why did you need gettext and sed? i've grabbed tarballs of both, saved your instructions, and will try to follow your lead on this. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5Fg-0008Q4-DT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:50:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5Fe-0008L5-Kn - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:50:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5Fe-0008Jh-1A - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:50:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga5Fd-0008JH-S3 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:50:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga5Fd-0004DL-Tf - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:50:06 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I6nwHa011353 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:49:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25106 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 06:49:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 18 Oct 2006 06:49:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9I6eXW29366; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:40:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:40:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 18 Oct 2006 08:06:13 +0200) Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu - <9q7iyydup6.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > However, I realized just after posting that my problem is known as issue > #131. I thought that a fix was already applied, but apparently it did not @@ -26289,44 +15878,11 @@ i'll apply it here and test it. I'd hate to fix it on old systems only to break it on new systems. unfortunately i don't have an old system to test. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5SD-000672-EG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:03:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5SC-00065g-9v - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:03:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5SA-00063Z-LS - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:03:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga5SA-000637-Bt - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:03:02 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga5S6-0005Pj-K3 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:03:02 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I72h2h019704 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:02:44 -0400 -Received: (qmail 8785 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 07:02:44 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 18 Oct 2006 07:02:44 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9I6rIL29406; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:53:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:53:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 18 Oct 2006 08:06:13 +0200) Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu - <9q7iyydup6.fsf@login.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > > the maths department just switched to kubuntu. Although axiom > > is included, I'd like to have the possibility to compile it @@ -26350,51 +15906,21 @@ i'll try to install it on one of my boxes but not tonight. i'm due to leave for work in 3 hours and i think i should consider trying to sleep :-) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5Tz-0000uh-9Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5Tx-0000sD-II - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga5Tv-0000nC-Cl - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga5Tv-0000mv-8t - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:51 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga5Tt-0005bQ-P4 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:50 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D32D668718; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6580B68708; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:46 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:04:44 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: AcbygGP0ZAxGE6lcSLKM9hhTA7zy+QAACa6A From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 +Cc: Camm Maguire -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:31 AM you asked: -> ...=20 +> ... > why did you need gettext and sed? i've grabbed tarballs of both, > saved your instructions, and will try to follow your lead on > this. ->=20 +> The gcl build needs gnu msgfmt and libintl from gettext since at least some part of gcl (binutils and debian) trys to provide @@ -26422,44 +15948,12 @@ in an earlier message? http://page.axiom-developer.org/gcl-2.6.8-osx10-20061017.bin -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Gj-0000we-5X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Gh-0000w6-HX - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Gh-0000vc-0m - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga9Gg-0000vO-Qz - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:26 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga9Gg-0001uB-Gm - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:26 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IB77Oh021701 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:07:11 -0400 -Received: (qmail 30755 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 11:07:08 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 18 Oct 2006 11:07:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9IAvis29345; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:57:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:57:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire > Have you tried downloading and running the binary that I posted > in an earlier message? @@ -26468,41 +15962,12 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org nope. i'll download it later tonight --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Hh-0001BD-Ob - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:08:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Hf-0001Aw-UT - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:08:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Hb-0001AV-5N - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:08:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga9Ha-0001AS-Rp - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:08:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga9Ha-0001zA-HY - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:08:22 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IB83Ht018395 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:08:07 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7711 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 11:08:04 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 18 Oct 2006 11:08:04 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9IAwd129409; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:58:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:58:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire > Have you tried downloading and running the binary that I posted > in an earlier message? @@ -26511,41 +15976,11 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org nope. i'll download it later tonight --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9M7-0003Aq-Nx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:13:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9M5-0003A3-Vz - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:13:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9M4-00039W-Mf - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:13:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga9M4-00039R-I7 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:13:00 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga9Lv-0002av-RT - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:13:00 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IBCfQX024354 - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:12:41 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6321 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 11:12:43 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 18 Oct 2006 11:12:43 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9IB3Im29434; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:03:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:03:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 18 Oct 2006 08:06:13 +0200) Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu -Cc: list > can you apply that fix and let me know if it works on the debian box? > i'll apply it here and test it. I'd hate to fix it on old systems @@ -26557,36 +15992,11 @@ the sed/awk scripts clearly works. this is patched in the next release. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Wk-0005kl-7i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:24:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Wi-0005iv-Si - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:24:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Ga9Wh-0005gt-9T - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:24:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ga9Wh-0005gT-28 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:23:59 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Ga9Wg-0005L6-QY - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:23:59 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9IBNs8V006465 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:23:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:23:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu -Cc: list On 10/18/2006 01:03 PM, root wrote: >> can you apply that fix and let me know if it works on the debian box? @@ -26602,33 +16012,7 @@ On 10/18/2006 01:03 PM, root wrote: Does this sound like Tim's Gold-to-be version is going to be different from Silver??? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaA52-0004sQ-9w - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:59:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaA51-0004oJ-3o - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:59:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaA4z-0004hR-Dy - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:59:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaA4z-0004gv-6E - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:59:25 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.67] (helo=web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaA4z-0006We-8v - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:59:25 -0400 -Received: (qmail 98238 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 11:59:24 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=kQVD382QZahZNk5LWmqpYf2JRVdHwKf9tL6DKzIHewRx7QUfjvmvfvVYfQJuRLfmAe/TcY0tnp9/ZtHMMK0tz7jLk/rkcHF3h8Kr1YpOSZtezyizYnxJO1wXjAXqILuY57cj55qtXy4CY5r0+csBitfeOy19lx2AuulzSS3h1YU= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:59:24 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: list @@ -26656,48 +16040,13 @@ Maybe there isn't any way in general to make this systematic, but if not I would like to understand why that's the case. 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Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaAuK-0002xk-IL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaAuG-0002sO-Br - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaAuB-0002fc-Fi - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaAuB-0002fC-9t - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:19 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.225] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaAuB-0000Ta-Cl - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:19 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so279380wxd - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:52:18 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=a3jr3fDacoShCKgvKN0pgj4/2QmZQm28NJpszUti16zssMKhSaw5p2B3e6OpcvlN2N+4tyRQqoEH8REfZnk5W2f8yFo2QcXqeAKPJFWxvH+NpW1djTupOxqX0ZglrxicPzoO7D1cXf80Femz27Bf1kE97OvaT1brGFwayYvctTQ= -Received: by 10.90.28.12 with SMTP id b12mr6067586agb; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:52:18 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:52:18 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly - <200610180557.k9I5v9O29258@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Subject: Re: Doyen -On 10/18/06, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 10/18/06, Tim Daly wrote: > > I think we should remove, update, or link to the Fedora livecd the > > http://daly.axiom-developer.org/doyen/doyen04262005.iso image. > > @@ -26706,32 +16055,10 @@ On 10/18/06, root Tim Daly wrote: > good idea. done. --t > -Thank you. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaDHm-00026Q-Du - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:24:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaDHk-00022N-FO - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:24:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaDHe-0001lN-Ro - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:24:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaDHe-0001ko-Jy - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:24:42 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaDHd-0008Qv-PH - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:24:42 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GaDHa-0003bb-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:24:38 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Oct 2006 11:24:38 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! And thanks so much for looking into this! Comments @@ -26915,42 +16242,11 @@ Take care, > > I am currently working on completing the Axiom build based on the > new build-improvements branch. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaF9t-0002gG-RK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaF9r-0002b8-9Y - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaF9n-0002Tc-DC - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaF9m-0002SV-EF - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:42 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaF9m-0000c2-5r - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:42 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GaF9j-00084g-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:39 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Oct 2006 13:24:39 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! OK I think this is in now on branches 2.6.8 and head. @@ -27095,78 +16391,37 @@ Bill Page writes: > > I am currently working on completing the Axiom build based on the > new build-improvements branch. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaFso-0002rH-CZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaFsm-0002ng-9q - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaFsi-0002g6-Qv - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaFsi-0002fK-1g - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaFsh-0002x2-DO - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EB96D68CDD; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 030D068BFF; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:04 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" +\start Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:02 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: AcbyyY13lF6HoYa4RbyNBMiD8Ul65AABkXkg From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire, - Bill Page -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:25 AM you wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > I have succeeded in compiling gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 on the > > SourceForge compile farm 'ppc-osx3' server, however some patches > > were necessary. This machine has Xcode installed by not Fink. -> >=20 +> > > > First, I checked out gcl-2.6.8pre from cvs on October 15, 2006, > > created a tarball and scp'd it and the standard gnu gettext-0.15 > > and sed-4.1.4 tarballs to my home directory on SourceForge. -> >=20 +> > > > Next I compiled and installed gettext and sed with -> > --prefix=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx +> > --prefix=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx > > creating the ~/osx/bin and ~/osx/lib directories. These are > > apparently required to satisfy the gcl build dependencies on > > OSX 10.2. (Note: A Fink installation might also have provided > > these in the /sw directory.) -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I thought that gettext was no longer required, as it was included > in the local bfd build (from configure.in:) ->=20 -> cd binutils/bfd && chmod +x configure && ./configure=20 +> +> cd binutils/bfd && chmod +x configure && ./configure > --with-included-gettext && cd ../.. > @@ -27175,53 +16430,53 @@ the error message "msgfmt: command not found" shown below. --------- -$ ./configure --prefix=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx \ +$ ./configure --prefix=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx \ --disable-tkconfig --disable-statsysbfd --enable-locbfd $ make cd binutils/intl && make -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 intl-compat.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 bindtextdom.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 dcgettext.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 dgettext.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 gettext.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 finddomain.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 loadmsgcat.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 localealias.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 textdomain.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 l10nflist.c -gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DGNULOCALEDIR=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale\" --DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=3D\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. +gcc -c -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DGNULOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" +-DLOCALE_ALIAS_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/locale:.\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -g -O2 explodename.c rm -f libintl.a ar cru libintl.a intl-compat.o bindtextdom.o dcgettext.o dgettext.o @@ -27233,10 +16488,10 @@ make all-recursive Making all in doc make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. Making all in po -( if test 'x.' !=3D 'x.'; then \ - posrcprefix=3D'../'; \ +( if test 'x.' != 'x.'; then \ + posrcprefix='../'; \ else \ - posrcprefix=3D"../"; \ + posrcprefix="../"; \ fi; \ rm -f SRC-POTFILES-t SRC-POTFILES \ && (sed -e '/^#/d' \ @@ -27253,13 +16508,13 @@ Making all in po && chmod a-w BLD-POTFILES-t \ && mv BLD-POTFILES-t BLD-POTFILES ) cd .. \ - && CONFIG_FILES=3Dpo/Makefile.in:po/Make-in \ - CONFIG_HEADERS=3D /bin/sh ./config.status + && CONFIG_FILES=po/Makefile.in:po/Make-in \ + CONFIG_HEADERS= /bin/sh ./config.status config.status: creating po/Makefile.in config.status: executing depfiles commands config.status: executing default commands -file=3D./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ - && rm -f $file && PATH=3D../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po +file=./`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ + && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po /bin/sh: msgfmt: command not found make[3]: *** [fr.gmo] Error 127 make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 @@ -27275,16 +16530,16 @@ gcl-2.6.8pre/binutils/bfd/config.log confirms: $ ./configure --with-included-gettext But apparently recursive makefile in bfd/po does not make -use of the included gettext. Maybe this is a binutils bug?=20 -=20 +use of the included gettext. Maybe this is a binutils bug? + > We do need sed. I guess OSX has none, or it is incompatible? > This OSX 10.2 has an old sed that is not compatible. -=20 + > Is Fink so non-standard that it must be avoided? What is > the canonical way to get gnu software on OSX? ->=20 +> I don't know. This SourceForge server is the closest I have ever been to a MAC and it's probably a few thousand miles @@ -27292,52 +16547,52 @@ away from here... :-) But I have heard that many people would like to try to avoid installing "foreign" package systems like Fink. ->=20 +> > > Then I added: -> >=20 -> > export PATH=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin:$PATH -> > export=20 -> LIBRARY_PATH=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/lib:$LIBRARY_PATH -> > export CPPFLAGS=3D"-no-cpp-precomp" +> > +> > export PATH=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin:$PATH +> > export +> LIBRARY_PATH=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/lib:$LIBRARY_PATH +> > export CPPFLAGS="-no-cpp-precomp" > > cd osx -> >=20 +> > > > to ~/.profile so that after re-login the environment was set > > appropriately. -> >=20 +> > > > I untarred gcl into the osx directory creating ~/osx/gcl-2.6.8pre > > Then I applied the following patches (most of which have been > > previously reported on the gcl email list by other people): -> >=20 +> > > > ------------------------ > > ppc-osx3:~/osx billpage$ diff -Naur old/gcl* new/gcl* -> >=20 +> > > > This patch required so libintl is found in $LIBRARY_PATH. -> >=20 +> > > > diff -Naur old/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs > > new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs -> > --- old/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs Thu Jul 15=20 +> > --- old/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs Thu Jul 15 > 09:28:43 2004 -> > +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs Sun Oct 15=20 +> > +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs Sun Oct 15 > 22:07:45 2006 > > @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ -> >=20 +> > > > # Set this to avoid warnings when linking against libncurses. > > # This is due to the requirements of the two level namespace. -> > -LIBS :=3D `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'`=20 +> > -LIBS := `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` > /sw/lib/libintl.dylib -> > +LIBS :=3D `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` -lintl -> >=20 +> > +LIBS := `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` -lintl +> > > > # Set this for the linker to operate correctly. -> > MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET =3D 10.2 +> > MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET = 10.2 > > @@ -32,4 +32,4 @@ > > # This appears to be no longer necessary on Panther. -> > ARRS =3D libtool -static -o -> >=20 -> > -FINAL_CFLAGS :=3D `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` +> > ARRS = libtool -static -o +> > +> > -FINAL_CFLAGS := `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` > > \ No newline at end of file -> > +FINAL_CFLAGS :=3D `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +FINAL_CFLAGS := `echo $(FINAL_CFLAGS) | sed -e 's:-g::g'` +> > +> > OK, this is going in, but I think we can lose the -lintl too. > Anyone want to try to verify? > @@ -27346,38 +16601,38 @@ I think you are right. If I 'make clean' and write: - +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs Sun Oct 15=20 + +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.defs Sun Oct 15 ... - +LIBS :=3D `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` + +LIBS := `echo $(LIBS) | sed -e 's/-lncurses/ /'` and just adding: - export PATH=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin:$PATH + export PATH=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin:$PATH (to avoid gettext bug) then trying configure & make as above works fine. -=20 + > > This patch is required to define sbrk. -> >=20 +> > > > diff -Naur old/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.h > > new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.h > > --- old/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.h Thu Dec 8 17:31:25 2005 > > +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/h/powerpc-macosx.h Sun Oct 15 21:32:23 2006 > > @@ -38,8 +38,9 @@ > > #undef SET_REAL_MAXPAGE -> > #define SET_REAL_MAXPAGE { my_sbrk(0); real_maxpage =3D (int) +> > #define SET_REAL_MAXPAGE { my_sbrk(0); real_maxpage = (int) > > mach_maplimit/PAGESIZE; } -> >=20 +> > > > -#define sbrk my_sbrk > > +#include /* to get sbrk defined */ > > extern void *my_sbrk(int incr); > > +#define sbrk my_sbrk -> >=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > /** (si::save-system "...") a.k.a. unexec implementation */ -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I don't get this one, as we emulate sbrk here. Where is the system > definition required? > @@ -27391,7 +16646,7 @@ ls: ../mod/*.o: No such file or directory ls: ../pcl/*.o: No such file or directory ls: ../clcs/*.o: No such file or directory ls: ../clcs/clcs_*.lisp: No such file or directory -gcc -Wall -DVOL=3Dvolatile -fsigned-char -pipe -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer +gcc -Wall -DVOL=volatile -fsigned-char -pipe -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -I/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre/o -c -o sys_pre_gcl.o sys_pre_gcl.c ../h/../h/protoize.h:465: warning: could not use precompiled header @@ -27409,25 +16664,25 @@ make: *** [unixport/saved_pre_gcl] Error 2 ------- > > This patch is required to remove functions symbols from plt. -> >=20 +> > > > diff -Naur old/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile new/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile > > --- old/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile Fri Sep 15 10:45:18 2006 > > +++ new/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/makefile Mon Oct 16 22:03:52 2006 > > @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ > > print a}' \ -> > k=3D$(LEADING_UNDERSCORE) |\ +> > k=$(LEADING_UNDERSCORE) |\ > > sort | \ > > - grep -v '[^ \t_]_' |\ -> > + grep -v 'restFP' | grep -v 'saveFP'=20 +> > + grep -v 'restFP' | grep -v 'saveFP' > | grep -v > > '[^ \t_]_' |\ -> > $(AWK) '{A[++k]=3D$$0} END {for=20 -> (i=3D1;i<=3Dk;i++) \ -> > =20 -> printf("MY_PLT(%s)%s\n",A[i],i=3D=3Dk ? "" : +> > $(AWK) '{A[++k]=$$0} END {for +> (i=1;i<=k;i++) \ +> > +> printf("MY_PLT(%s)%s\n",A[i],i==k ? "" : > > ",");}' >$@ -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > OK. This is quite ugly, but its a hack to begin with. Suggestions > most welcome. > @@ -27446,7 +16701,7 @@ But see later in the message - I apparently have a problem with __srget. > > This patch is required to find malloc.h on some OSX machines. -> >=20 +> > > > diff -Naur old/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unexmacosx.c > > new/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unexmacosx.c > > --- old/gcl-2.6.8pre/o/unexmacosx.c Thu Dec 15 10:48:43 2005 @@ -27462,17 +16717,17 @@ __srget. > > +#else > > +#include > > +#endif -> >=20 +> > > > #include -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > OK, I take it you are using objc/malloc.h. We need configure code > to look for this, and bomb if it cannot find one, just on macosx. > I'll take a stab unless someone else wants to. > Makes sense to me. You are the autoconf wizard. :-) -=20 + > May I suggest we also lose the diagnostic output on save-system > on this platform? @@ -27480,14 +16735,14 @@ Yes, it looks pretty ugly but maybe it is needed just a little while longer (or optionally) to verify that si::save-system and compiler::link are really working properly? ->=20 +> > Thanks again! Will post when something is checked in. > Thank you. I look forward to a finally finalized 2.6.8. The evoluton of 2.6.8pre is causing us a little consternaton in the current Axiom source distribution... :-) -=20 + > BTW, I'm pushing 2.6.8 (in the guise of 2.6.7) and all the apps > through the Debian autobuilder system before releasing 2.6.8. > Please let me know of any other 2.6.8 issues you may be @@ -27537,7 +16792,7 @@ that is created using compiler::link. The 'lisp' image includes several Axiom specific external routines. I.e. echo '(compiler::link nil -=20 + "/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/axiom.build-improvements/build/powerpc-ap ple-darwin6.8/bin/lisp" ' \ ' (format nil "(progn (let ((*load-path* (cons ~S @@ -27596,55 +16851,27 @@ Any thing you can suggest would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Bill Page. -> >=20 +> > > > --------- -> >=20 +> > > > The resulting gcl binary (unixport/saved_gcl) in available here: -> >=20 +> > > > http://page.axiom-developer.org/gcl-2.6.8-osx10-20061017.bin -> >=20 +> > > > I would be very happy if anyone with a MAC OSX machine would try > > this version of gcl on their systems and let me know of any > > problems. -> >=20 +> > > > I am currently working on completing the Axiom build based on the > > new build-improvements branch. -> >=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaHft-0000Qh-92 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:06:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaHfs-0000QM-4a - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:06:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaHfr-0000Pc-E7 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:05:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaHfr-0000PP-As - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:05:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaHfq-0003fl-Kt - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:05:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4921E68DDC; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:05:58 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4C8CE68DD1; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" +> > + +\start Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:05:52 -0400 -Thread-Topic: [sage-devel] Re: MAGMA question -Thread-Index: Acby4OhBbduRjOP+TrC30NkDlKCjTAACFSuw From: Bill Page -To: , -Cc: William Hart , William Stein +To: list Subject: RE: [sage-devel] Re: MAGMA question +Cc: William Hart, William Stein William and William, ... @@ -27659,7 +16886,7 @@ systems at a fundamental level. I think this is especially important since we now have the initial release of an interface for Axiom in Sage. ->=20 +> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:16:30 -0700, William Hart wrote: > > Even something like: > > @@ -27691,13 +16918,13 @@ whose sole member, also denoted by a, can stand for some other value. But once I assign it a value it also acquires a new Type: -(2) -> a :=3D -1 +(2) -> a := -1 (2) - 1 Type: Integer On Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:11 PM William Stein wrote: ->=20 +> > All three of the examples you give above would be illegal > in most programming languages, including Python. They are > illegal since they are functional calls that take x as input, @@ -27728,9 +16955,9 @@ confusing at first to some users but I think it (more or less) corresponds to usual conventions in mathematics. > What about ->=20 -> x =3D polygen() ->=20 +> +> x = polygen() +> > Then the resulting x can be used to *create* "classical" > polynomials just as you suggest in your previous email. > I think I could implement something like that very easily. @@ -27741,7 +16968,7 @@ their type dynamically by assignment of a value. The net effect however in this case appears to be the same. But in Axiom I can now make a new assignment of a value to x -(5) -> x:=3D1 +(5) -> x:=1 (5) 1 Type: Polynomial Integer @@ -27755,20 +16982,20 @@ stands for that member (8) 1 Type: Polynomial Integer ->=20 +> > > It saves typing > > -> > R :=3D polynomialRing(Integers()); +> > R := polynomialRing(Integers()); > > > > which is just mindless. ->=20 +> > I don't consider that mindless. However, I'm not at all > opposed to having some much easier shorthands. ->=20 +> > Incidentally, SAGE already has a useful shorthand for the > above: ->=20 -> sage: x =3D polygen(ZZ) +> +> sage: x = polygen(ZZ) > sage: parent(x) > Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Integer Ring > @@ -27784,16 +17011,16 @@ in Axiom. In Sage how would I create a symbol whose value is the Integer 1 considered as a Polynomial? E.g. (5) above. -=20 + > And, everything above is standard in SAGE (e.g., polygen and > ZZ are defined for all SAGE installs). ->=20 +> > > Pari does get around it altogether. You never have to > > tell it you are declaring a polynomial or specify a > > ring. Of course it doesn't support many rings, can't > > do algebra as such and doesn't have the limitations > > you are working with in Python. ->=20 +> > I'm not sure I like PARI polynomials. The precedence of > variable names (and even the choice of names) is hard coded > into the system. It's only good for smallish toy situation. @@ -27815,7 +17042,7 @@ makes this convention fairly natural and (mostly) harmless. In contrast to a system like Axiom, nothing is stopping us from simply using x and y in different ways. But in Axiom if we write -(9) -> x:=3Dsin(y) +(9) -> x:=sin(y) Cannot convert right-hand side of assignment sin(y) @@ -27824,12 +17051,12 @@ simply using x and y in different ways. But in Axiom if we write We are prevented by Axiom's static type rules. ->=20 +> > Of course, in SAGE you can use PARI polynomials: ->=20 -> sage: x =3D pari('x') -> sage: y =3D pari('y') -> sage: f =3D x*(y^2+7/3) +> +> sage: x = pari('x') +> sage: y = pari('y') +> sage: f = x*(y^2+7/3) > sage: f^3 > (y^6 + 7*y^4 + 49/3*y^2 + 343/27)*x^3 > @@ -27844,58 +17071,35 @@ And now you can do the same think using Axiom :-) experimental -sage: x =3D axiom('x') -sage: y =3D axiom('y') -sage: f =3D x*(y^2+7/3) +sage: x = axiom('x') +sage: y = axiom('y') +sage: f = x*(y^2+7/3) sage: f^3 3 6 3 4 49 3 2 343 3 x y + 7x y + -- x y + --- x 3 27 -=20 + Type: Polynomial Fraction Integer sage: > > Anyhow, it is just one pet peeve in MAGMA which seems > > easy enough to relieve somehow. ->=20 +> > What do you think of -> x =3D polygen(ZZ) for x in ZZ[x] +> x = polygen(ZZ) for x in ZZ[x] > and -> x =3D polygen() for a formal x (whose properties=20 +> x = polygen() for a formal x (whose properties > are yet to be determined) ->=20 +> What would be the value of parent(x) for the second case? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaI40-0001AU-V5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:30:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaI3z-00018v-BF - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:30:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaI3y-000180-37 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:30:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaI3x-00017t-Uq - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:30:53 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaI3x-0007Uv-JV - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:30:54 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GaI3u-00071Y-00; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:30:50 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Oct 2006 16:30:50 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! @@ -28455,50 +17659,13 @@ Take care, > > > > > > I am currently working on completing the Axiom build based on the > > > new build-improvements branch. -> > > -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaJQB-0004o3-US - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaJQ9-0004ne-Ed - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaJQ6-0004mp-TN - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaJQ6-0004mh-PB - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:50 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.92.175] (helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaJQ6-0003uD-R2 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:57:51 -0400 -Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so290950ugd - for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:49 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:date:to:subject:from:organization:cc:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; - b=DKL36ah/BlFlg5MHCYWPfUBl5ajFHMb+5cyFm2XBnsFqaA67lsIy90WI+JV7Q+eqgyfnty1skVDgC2hIOISt7Dzq4kQCo+PSPu/E6jMvPjbSxuJE8E8U1dw5RLoFc4phFp5SGBtP8YCavW7l30vzowl0z/YbvC9F8DKzLJpxf6k= -Received: by 10.78.151.15 with SMTP id y15mr10736032hud; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:49 -0700 (PDT) -Received: from sha.local ( [128.208.160.175]) - by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c18sm800844hub.2006.10.18.14.57.47; - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:57:40 -0700 -To: Bill Page, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - list -From: "William Stein" -Cc: William Hart -Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: MAGMA question +To: Bill Page +From: William Stein +Subject: Re: MAGMA question +Cc: William Hart On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:05:52 -0700, Page, Bill = @@ -28507,7 +17674,7 @@ wrote: >> Incidentally, SAGE already has a useful shorthand for the >> above: >> ->> sage: x =3D polygen(ZZ) +>> sage: x = polygen(ZZ) >> sage: parent(x) >> Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Integer Ring >> @@ -28524,8 +17691,8 @@ wrote: > In Sage how would I create a symbol whose value is the Integer > 1 considered as a Polynomial? E.g. (5) above. -sage: R =3D ZZ['x'] -sage: a =3D R(1) +sage: R = ZZ['x'] +sage: a = R(1) sage: type(a) sage: parent(a) @@ -28537,9 +17704,9 @@ You could make 1 in any ring R the same way. >> Of course, in SAGE you can use PARI polynomials: >> ->> sage: x =3D pari('x') ->> sage: y =3D pari('y') ->> sage: f =3D x*(y^2+7/3) +>> sage: x = pari('x') +>> sage: y = pari('y') +>> sage: f = x*(y^2+7/3) >> sage: f^3 >> (y^6 + 7*y^4 + 49/3*y^2 + 343/27)*x^3 >> @@ -28557,9 +17724,9 @@ And now the interface is officially released... > > experimental > -> sage: x =3D axiom('x') -> sage: y =3D axiom('y') -> sage: f =3D x*(y^2+7/3) +> sage: x = axiom('x') +> sage: y = axiom('y') +> sage: f = x*(y^2+7/3) > sage: f^3 > > 3 6 3 4 49 3 2 343 3 @@ -28573,9 +17740,9 @@ And now the interface is officially released... >> > easy enough to relieve somehow. >> >> What do you think of ->> x =3D polygen(ZZ) for x in ZZ[x] +>> x = polygen(ZZ) for x in ZZ[x] >> and ->> x =3D polygen() for a formal x (whose properties +>> x = polygen() for a formal x (whose properties >> are yet to be determined) >> > @@ -28584,43 +17751,11 @@ And now the interface is officially released... We haven't decided yet -- I'm thinking something like Formal Univariate Polynomial Ring. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaK2f-0006hM-H2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaK2d-0006e5-P1 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaK2b-0006bb-Qw - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaK2b-0006bV-F7 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaK2b-0000Nv-6x - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804E64F43E; - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:37:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9IMXYCA019810; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:33:36 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9IMXYKo019809; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:33:34 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Camm Maguire -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54slhl74ed.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 19 Oct 2006 00:33:33 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm Maguire writes: @@ -28632,47 +17767,11 @@ Camm Maguire writes: It is GNU standard policy to support --disable-nls. Did you try it? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaKdD-0002Kl-Ca - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:15:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaKdB-0002KK-Kf - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:15:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaKd9-0002Jt-3v - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:15:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaKd8-0002Jq-VC - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:15:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.28] (helo=mx-fall.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaKd8-00021u-Qp - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:15:22 -0400 -Received: from mx-8.zoominternet.net ([10.16.16.27]) - by mx-fall.zoominternet.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id - k9HHMLB1018911 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:22:22 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HHEjp5004921 - for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:15:30 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19659 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 17:14:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 17 Oct 2006 17:14:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9HH5DR28813; - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:05:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:05:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:01:10 +0200) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts] -Cc: list patched. fixing in the next release (--patch-51) --t @@ -28681,10 +17780,6 @@ It seems that this mail was forgotten. It's a typo in the code (bookvol5) so a real bug. -------- Message transféré -------- -De: Vanuxem Grégory Gregory Vanuxem -À: Axiom-Developer -Sujet: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts -Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:29:28 +0200 Hello, @@ -28699,27 +17794,9 @@ Hello, \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaM1f-0004Eo-4l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaM1d-00049C-8D - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaM1b-00044A-PA - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaM1b-00043q-Ke - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:43 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaM1b-0001cj-FW - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:44:43 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GaM0x-00041X-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:44:03 +0200 -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:44:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Questions of Simplification C Y wrote: @@ -28782,35 +17859,12 @@ value). This dual notion of equality is responsible for bug 290: Risch algorithm requires a field, but since Axion do not apply simplification to roots we in fact get ring with zero divisors. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaMiW-0005pR-Ec - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:29:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaMiU-0005k9-BO - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:29:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaMiT-0005hc-K4 - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:29:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaMiT-0005h5-4C - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:29:01 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaMiT-0000Na-0i - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:29:01 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GaMhp-0007Yf-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:21 +0200 -To: list +\start Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 +Cc: Camm Maguire Camm Maguire wrote: > > && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH msgfmt -o $file fr.po @@ -28832,46 +17886,11 @@ http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-09/msg00750.html I am affraid that '--with-included-gettext' (which IIRC gcl passes to bfd) it treated as a promise to provide 'msgfmt'. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaNTn-0004f8-Ol - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:17:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaNTm-0004cT-4q - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:17:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaNTl-0004bB-6N - for list; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:17:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaNTl-0004b2-1r - for list; 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Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:40:59 +0200 -To: aldor-l , Peter Broadbery, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Oct 2006 09:40:58 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Peter Broadbery Subject: Cannot build aldor interface Dear all, especially Peter, @@ -28965,44 +17955,11 @@ Jikes Compiler - Version 1.22 - 3 October 2004 make --version GNU Make 3.81beta4 - -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaTqd-0002dn-4F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:05:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaTqZ-0002aa-Vg - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:05:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaTqW-0002Xf-J1 - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:05:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaTqV-0002Wj-Ek - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:05:47 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GaTqU-0005IM-Ld - for list; 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That would free you from some problems, right? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaVgK-00009Q-TP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:03:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaVgJ-00008F-Vo - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:03:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaVgG-0008T7-EN - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:03:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaVgG-0008Sd-5w - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:03:20 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaVgF-0008KS-LC - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:03:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9JB2sYb005220 - for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:03:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22485 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 11:02:56 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 19 Oct 2006 11:02:56 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9JArUg07442; - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:53:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:53:30 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:05:52 +0200) Subject: Re: Not building on Kubuntu - <45360EC9.4070707@hemmecke.de> - <200610190208.k9J28E306920@localhost.localdomain> - <45373FF0.2010508@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > >>> this is patched in the next release. --t > >> Does this sound like Tim's Gold-to-be version is going to be different @@ -29070,35 +17992,10 @@ Cc: list good point. one the queue for this weekend. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaVtj-0006yP-AU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:17:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaVtc-0006pW-Lf - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:17:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaVtZ-0006kc-5m - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:17:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaVtY-0006jl-BO - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:17:04 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.74] (helo=web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaVtY-0003Le-38 - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:17:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 86472 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2006 11:17:03 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=nn6rZlqzYbwHNePg7Aw1+YdKla+c8EWI+SP0Dbwwt9Bo1pQ3vrt1XGpsp3T2WIK+y9YJv7c4Krz/tUi3YqRHWMze2PZc5crM/DSft/LoTpyt3pTG9a45LPbuT+xlI523WMnXqfNKaKFlBOBJFNpGaRRgccCIALSE+2b+k+GoAlo= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:17:03 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: Questions of Simplification --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29143,47 +18040,11 @@ Subject: Re: Questions of Simplification > value). This dual notion of equality is responsible for bug 290: > Risch algorithm requires a field, but since Axion do not apply > simplification to roots we in fact get ring with zero divisors. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I also need to scare up the original Risch papers . Hmm. Is "abstract algebraic extension" similar to the discussion on indeterminates? -Cheers, and thanks! - -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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(without .4) Do I really have to drive the sysadmin crazy? -Martin - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaanN-0002wU-JU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:31:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaanL-0002tF-Mz - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:30:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaanF-0002iW-Vr - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:30:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaanF-0002i7-F6 - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:30:53 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.184.235] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GaanF-0002nA-GM - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:30:53 -0400 -Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so202614wri - for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=c89r0IC0QDYG5/CGXgcZMVRYIZ7X0cutHvQArW+m5AU7BsEJNlz7vdVMdFBpbWqUWRPJNSxZ1I1iRsuUSIXOGRsl0Uf5lHC7jCdCH/c8da5k1dPwEx1i8NdwD5ffrgO/et25HwDk9v6ak4GSzdvlvE023UhV0wVxpXRMHPGxIdA= -Received: by 10.90.103.2 with SMTP id a2mr249626agc; - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:30:50 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies -Cc: axiom-dev This happens to me in Arch Linux also. They distribute a newer libreadline.so.5. Try a syslink to libreadline or libreadline.so.5 if @@ -29358,42 +18153,11 @@ On 19 Oct 2006 14:17:50 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > On my system libreadline.so is there, however. (without .4) > > Do I really have to drive the sysadmin crazy? -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GabJk-0004lr-SZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:04:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GabJi-0004ik-Ja - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:04:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GabJe-0004ah-OF - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:04:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GabJd-0004Zg-Tv - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:04:22 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GabJd-00016R-5R - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:04:21 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GabIf-0001Pg-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:03:21 +0200 -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:03:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Questions of Simplification (whoops) C Y wrote: @@ -29515,40 +18279,10 @@ well defined result. At the end one should recombine all choices into a single indeterminate representing final answer. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gad0v-0007bi-3O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:53:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gad0t-0007Zd-QM - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:53:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gad0P-0006ts-1p - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:53:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gad0O-0006tg-IY - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:52:36 -0400 -Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gad0O-0002uz-CQ - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:52:36 -0400 -Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) - by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id - <20061019185223.JWFC15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; 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- Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:05:18 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:05:17 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies - - <9qd58odot2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Sorry, I forgot :-( @@ -29702,39 +18372,13 @@ On 19 Oct 2006 22:38:01 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > you have it. That solved the problem for me. > > I'm not root :-( -> -> Martin -> -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GawXV-0000Mo-RG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:44:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GafPg-0008JQ-MW - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GafPg-0008JE-0q - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GafPf-0008JB-Se - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:51 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.131] (helo=mail11c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GafPf-0005bf-Nz - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:51 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail11c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9JLQTVt028493; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'William Stein' +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: FW: axiom on sage.math +Cc: William Stein Dear Axiom Developers, @@ -29830,103 +18474,49 @@ with sage-1.4.1, somehow (it's OK in the notebook, though). I'm uploading a sage-1.4.1.1 right now with the correct version included... -William - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GawYQ-00016O-Ry - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GafWw-0004fx-FJ - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:34:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GafWu-0004dN-Ka - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:34:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GafWu-0004dK-HA - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:34:20 -0400 -Received: from [193.252.23.69] (helo=smtp-msa-out14.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GafWu-0006UM-Ej - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:34:20 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-83-171.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-83-171.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.24.171]) - by mwinf1406.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C113D700008A; - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:33:55 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:33:41 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies Le jeudi 19 octobre 2006 =E0 14:17 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : > unfortunately, I still can't get it to run: ->=20 +> > /users/rubey/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/AXIOMsys: error while loading shared > libraries: libreadline.so.4: cannot open shared object No such file or= directory ->=20 +> > On my system libreadline.so is there, however. (without .4) This is strange... A temporary workaround is to create a symlink to libreadline.so named libreadline.so.4 in a directory and define LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include this directory, for example in bash: -'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/a/directory/where/I/have/write/privilege' +'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/a/directory/where/I/have/write/privilege' Apparently LD_LIBRARY_PATH is used in addition to the existing lib paths but may be the correct way is to add all existing lib paths to this variable. -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaweG-0006ii-0F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:51:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GagNn-0004yy-1c - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GagNk-0004wl-7T - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GagNk-0004wi-3Q - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:56 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.131] (helo=mail11c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GagNk-0001hK-1e - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:56 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail11c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9JMSZMh007642; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'William Stein' -Subject: FW: FW: axiom on sage.math +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: FW: axiom on sage.math +Cc: William Stein Thanks for the tip, William. -----Original Message----- -From: William Stein [mailto:wstein@gmail.com]=20 -Sent: October 19, 2006 6:12 PM -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: axiom on sage.math +From: William Stein [mailto:William Stein] Bill, You could add that if somebody types - sage: notebook(system=3D"axiom") + sage: notebook(system="axiom") to get an Axiom notebook (basically all cells automatically have %axiom = -at =20 +at the top). William @@ -29986,50 +18576,12 @@ On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:26:27 -0700, Bill Page wrote: > subject of how best to integrate Axiom's static strongly typed > programming language with the Sage user language which is based on > the dynamic strong types of Python. -> -> Enjoy! -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaweR-0006tm-ET - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:51:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GagQH-0007nq-FI - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:31:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GagQG-0007mM-KE - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:31:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GagQG-0007m1-Ed - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:31:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GagQG-0001uA-CS - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:31:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8B24F399; - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:31:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9JMRhpB008053; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:27:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9JMRhnE008052; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:27:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 20 Oct 2006 00:27:42 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies - - <9qd58odot2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 Oct 2006 00:27:42 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Martin Rubey writes: @@ -30043,32 +18595,10 @@ Martin Rubey writes: Indeed, that is an important point we must keep in mind. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gawky-0005EM-0N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:58:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gai33-0002de-FX - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:15:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gai30-0002aM-0M - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:15:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gai2z-0002aJ-RI - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:15:37 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gai2z-0007Ya-Hb - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:15:37 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gai2O-0001HR-00 - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:15:00 +0200 -To: list Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:15:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Misleading documentation src/interp/Makfile.pamphlet contains misleading information about @@ -30100,36 +18630,11 @@ correct this information: TRANOBJS= ${AUTO}/wi1.$(OBJEXT) ${AUTO}/wi2.$(OBJEXT) ${AUTO}/pspad1.$(OBJEXT) \ ${AUTO}/pspad2.$(OBJEXT) ${AUTO}/mark.$(OBJEXT) ${AUTO}/nspadaux.$(OBJEXT) \ - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GawxV-0007ms-Pa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:10:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GakHF-0004RW-6l - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:38:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GakHD-0004RI-5C - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:38:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GakHD-0004RF-0r - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:38:27 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GakHC-0004KW-KC - for list; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:38:27 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GakGT-00017h-00; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:37:41 +0200 -Subject: Re: database fixes -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:37:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: database fixes Bill Page wrote: > > Bill Page wrote: @@ -30323,79 +18828,19 @@ program) and (at similar time) time Andrew Tanenbaum "Operatin Systems" which contained Minix sources. Frankly, I find Tanenbaum's book better document then TeX. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gax9X-0007dz-NG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:23:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gam4I-0004NM-Nn - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:33:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gam4G-0004K9-Vf - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:33:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gam4G-0004Ji-Gh - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:33:12 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gam4G-0003dg-Fj - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:33:12 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9K4WqZO031191 - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:33:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 8217 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 04:32:53 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 20 Oct 2006 04:32:53 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9K4NOc07918; - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:23:24 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:23:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 19 Oct 2006 14:17:50 +0200) Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies -Cc: list do a symbolic link from libreadline.so.4 to libreadline.so -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxBp-0002BJ-80 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:25:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gammv-0008K7-Vj - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:19:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gammu-0008Il-1C - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:19:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gammt-0008IW-B9 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:19:19 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gamms-0000nH-RM - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:19:19 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9K5Iqxb027663; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:19:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: database fixes Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:18:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: database fixes On October 19, 2006 10:38 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -30645,42 +19090,11 @@ step deserves at least our "best effort" to see if such literate programming can really make a long term contribution sometime within the current "30 year horizon". -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxMo-00026c-V4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:37:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gap4u-00052D-30 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:46:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gap4r-00050T-8l - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:46:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gap4r-00050Q-4S - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:46:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gap4q-0003VI-VO - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:46:01 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9K7ju8V007638 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:45:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:46:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies - <9qd58odot2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Have you tried to set your environment variable @@ -30707,47 +19121,16 @@ On 10/19/2006 10:38 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: >> you have it. That solved the problem for me. > > I'm not root :-( -> -> Martin - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxSp-0002EA-8P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:43:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaqPJ-00035y-S0 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:11:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaqPH-00030w-Aw - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:11:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaqPG-00030C-NZ - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:11:10 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GaqPG-00037J-7j - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:11:10 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GaqP9-0004RQ-Qf; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:11:03 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GaqP9-0006JA-NH; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:11:03 +0200 -To: Peter Broadbery, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke - <1161283958.4713.15.camel@speedy.home> -From: Martin Rubey + +\start Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:11:50 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l +From: Martin Rubey +To: Peter Broadbery, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Cannot build aldor interface Dear Peter, Ralf -I just deleted the src/aldor directory and replaced it with a fresh one.=20 +I just deleted the src/aldor directory and replaced it with a fresh one. (make clean doesn't seem to work....) Now I get a different error message. The build stops with @@ -30764,7 +19147,7 @@ erstellen. Schluss. make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/martin/GoldenAxiom/src/aldor' make: *** [all] Fehler 2 -my make is=20 +my make is make -v GNU Make 3.81beta4 @@ -30779,7 +19162,7 @@ Ralf, maybe you could send me the contents of your src/aldor directory after building. Maybe I can spot a difference. > I can't debug it at the moment, as I changed machine recently, and in the= - process of=20 + process of > redoing the aldor code without using java, and a slightly saner makefile > framework. > The 'not java' bit works, but I need a bit of free time to sort out the b= @@ -30787,45 +19170,12 @@ uild process. Oh, great -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxTN-0002sF-77 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:43:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaqdX-0000aM-A9 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:25:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaqdV-0000ZA-Sr - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:25:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaqdT-0000Yd-PZ - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:25:51 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GaqdT-0000gt-DQ - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:25:51 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GaqdS-00016v-20; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:25:50 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GaqdR-0006gN-Uz; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:25:49 +0200 -To: Martin Rubey - <1161283958.4713.15.camel@speedy.home> - <9qk62vcpwp.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:26:36 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, aldor-l +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Cannot build aldor interface +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Dear Peter, Ralf, @@ -30854,13 +19204,13 @@ Martin Martin Rubey writes: > Dear Peter, Ralf ->=20 +> > I just deleted the src/aldor directory and replaced it with a fresh one.= -=20 + > (make clean doesn't seem to work....) ->=20 +> > Now I get a different error message. The build stops with ->=20 +> > Output written on Sort.java.dvi (19 pages, 25524 bytes). > Transcript written on Sort.java.log. > (javac -d /home/martin/GoldenAxiom/int/aldor @@ -30872,70 +19222,35 @@ et.mk=C2=AB, zu > erstellen. Schluss. > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/martin/GoldenAxiom/src/aldor' > make: *** [all] Fehler 2 ->=20 -> my make is=20 ->=20 +> +> my make is +> > make -v > GNU Make 3.81beta4 ->=20 +> > my javac is ->=20 +> > javac -version > Jikes Compiler - Version 1.22 - 3 October 2004 > Copyright (C) IBM Corporation 1997-2003, 2004. ->=20 +> > Ralf, maybe you could send me the contents of your src/aldor directory af= ter > building. Maybe I can spot a difference. ->=20 +> > > I can't debug it at the moment, as I changed machine recently, and in t= -he process of=20 +he process of > > redoing the aldor code without using java, and a slightly saner makefile > > framework. > > The 'not java' bit works, but I need a bit of free time to sort out the= build process. ->=20 +> > Oh, great ->=20 -> Martin - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxXh-0000lU-L1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:48:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GasIN-0000PI-6X - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:12:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GasII-0000DM-2f - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:12:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GasIH-0000DA-Vb - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:12:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GasIH-0008OI-Jm - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:12:05 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GasIF-0003Ck-WE; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:12:04 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GasIF-00024l-Rq; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:12:03 +0200 -To: Ralf Hemmecke, Peter Broadbery, - axiom-dev - <1161283958.4713.15.camel@speedy.home> - <9qk62vcpwp.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4538A9D7.8090501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey + +\start Date: 20 Oct 2006 13:12:49 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Peter Broadbery Subject: Re: Cannot build aldor interface I'm an IDIOT - @@ -30947,253 +19262,13 @@ I only did the touch part. Excuse me please and thanks Ralf for sending the log. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gaxg5-00067S-RY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:57:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gau94-0003eb-IE - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:10:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gau91-0003dC-UP - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:10:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gau91-0003d7-SJ - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:10:39 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gau91-00014I-KM - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:10:39 -0400 -Received: from floatercompute (proxy.hostopia.com [69.49.114.10]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9KDAbmZ021634 - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:10:38 -0400 -From: Bill Page -To: -Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:09:17 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6F427.6BF75130" -Subject: test send - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6F427.6BF75130 - charset="iso-8859-1" - - -------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6F427.6BF75130 - charset="iso-8859-1" - - - - - - - - -
 
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It is not being asked that your changes be accompanied by the documentation of unrelated topic. --- Gaby - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gaxrg-0004XE-KM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:09:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GawjH-0003kN-4y - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GawjB-0003eB-AM - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gawj9-0003cG-Qx - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:07 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GawM6-0006NZ-9v - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:32:18 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GawM4-0000sd-Jk; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:32:16 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GawM4-0001o7-FF; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:32:16 +0200 -To: Martin Rubey -From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 Oct 2006 17:33:05 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Still no Aldor Interface. It's a make bug. I documented this on MathAction. make 3.80 works, the @@ -31353,38 +19366,11 @@ all... Thanks for helping, -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gaxro-0004dE-My - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:09:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gawk1-0004Mk-OI - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:57:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gawjy-0004KW-QS - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:57:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gawjy-0004K9-E4 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:58 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gawjx-0001L8-RM - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:58 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9KFugNK000952 - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording of - talks +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording of talks Axiom at Sage Days 2: @@ -31439,45 +19425,10 @@ My Axiom talk: If you listen, please comment! :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxwL-0002GM-9E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:13:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxVk-00065B-TD - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:46:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxVf-00061I-Fi - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:46:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GaxVf-00060U-7e - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:46:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GaxVe-0007xs-RT - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:46:15 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GaxVd-00027S-AH; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:46:13 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GaxVd-0003my-83; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:46:13 +0200 -To: axiom-dev , - Timothy Daly Tim Daly, - Alfredo Portes -From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 Oct 2006 18:47:02 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly, Alfredo Portes Subject: make patch 50 work with the guessing package Dear Tim, @@ -31498,43 +19449,11 @@ diff -r /local/scratch/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht axiom49/mnt/li It breaks my guessing package! -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gay0O-0005r9-UK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:18:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxxD-0003UZ-4g - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:14:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GaxxA-0003Q0-65 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:14:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gaxx8-0003PE-Vh - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:14:39 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gaxx8-0004Ap-Rh - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:14:39 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0BC4F3D3; - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:14:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9KHAlgN022889; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:10:49 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9KHAlHp022888; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:10:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 20 Oct 2006 19:10:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Misleading documentation -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 Oct 2006 19:10:47 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -31547,45 +19466,13 @@ Sweet! Please check in with appropriate ChangeLog; send the final patch to the list. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GazB3-0002qV-CU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:33:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GazB1-0002ot-Re - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:33:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GazAz-0002k6-Vp - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:33:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GazAz-0002jl-OP - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:33:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GazAz-0000l2-ME - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:33:01 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772A440F6C; - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:32:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9KITAMW024404; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:29:12 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9KITAog024403; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:29:10 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 20 Oct 2006 20:29:09 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies - <200610200423.k9K4NOc07918@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 Oct 2006 20:29:09 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | do a symbolic link from libreadline.so.4 to libreadline.so @@ -31595,41 +19482,12 @@ explain why that is supposed to do anything sensible? I would not like to see Axiom, a scientific computational platform, built on superstition. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb0Wa-0000Qk-Ql - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb0WY-0000LB-Sm - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb0WU-0000Bj-TM - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb0WU-0000Aw-MU - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:18 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.228] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb0WU-0006Wc-Kq - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:18 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so1229336wxd - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=J293rSj2Y/9YqLT/qOq6iNSx3atDwbyFLD5as5UL8/ReTxSP2F+xhDwVOGdZJj11WMGAJHjX637LchX1y7UnMwzvQbeMeNPfeQynVBjCceuU0SfDuWCaFfV86CupYqH1FnUrKVfZ1AwbKvWI6moPqswStRzdPncZX8B8cm1rKEs= -Received: by 10.90.34.9 with SMTP id h9mr1393787agh; - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:59:16 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Still no Aldor Interface. - <9qbqo70zpq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke What version of Kubuntu is this? Edgy or Dapper? @@ -31639,53 +19497,13 @@ On 20 Oct 2006 17:33:05 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > all... > > Thanks for helping, -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb0Xw-00036l-5t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:00:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb0Xt-000321-Ey - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:00:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb0Xo-0002u4-LB - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:00:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb0Xo-0002to-CI - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:00:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb0Xn-0006l0-LE - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:00:39 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Gb0Xm-0008F0-8k; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:38 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Gb0Xm-000055-3z; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:38 +0200 +Date: 20 Oct 2006 22:01:27 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Still no Aldor Interface. - <9qbqo70zpq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 20 Oct 2006 22:01:27 +0200 -Cc: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, - axiom-dev +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -31693,33 +19511,10 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: Dapper -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb26j-0005Qa-A9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:40:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb26g-0005JI-OJ - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:40:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb26e-0005EK-Ob - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:40:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb26e-0005DE-Aq - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:40:44 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb26e-0008F9-95 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:40:44 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gb261-0001xT-00 - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:40:05 +0200 -To: list Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:40:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bug #157 AFAICS bug #157 really is about confusing printouts. Namely, both with @@ -31737,35 +19532,12 @@ constructor first and attribute second, printing of database misses uses the opposite order. To avoid confusion we probably should use the same order in both printouts (if you think that we should correct the printout I will prepare a patch). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb2et-0005kA-6f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:16:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb2er-0005h7-GH - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:16:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb2ep-0005d5-TI - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:16:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb2ep-0005cU-CL - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:16:03 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb2el-0000Xn-T9 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:16:00 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gb2e9-0003mh-00 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:15:21 +0200 -Subject: Re: Misleading documentation -To: list + +\start Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:15:21 +0200 (CEST) +To: list From: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Misleading documentation Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -31823,50 +19595,17 @@ Index: ChangeLog.build-improvements * config/setup-dep.mk: Tidy. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4Me-0005Mr-EX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:05:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4Mc-0005MW-N8 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:05:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4Mb-0005MJ-7X - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:05:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb4Mb-0005MG-2r - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:05:21 -0400 -Received: from [66.249.82.224] (helo=wx-out-0506.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb4Ma-0006g1-O0 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:05:20 -0400 -Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so1292710wxd - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:05:20 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=VJOJ305fU4eNMLw9ojiwpaiRuEedMe0pG1vZedz7PrqW2L95Tz1u651Q1xrrGe8O4Og9A3zWqBy/6FiZWzEPuXTho2M18ffL9TXetyHlGoSyR0zCqZTIP00BnqndKXA5QzcW78zrjB4lWpGbCV721WYFtZL4T+50LNp3v8omnpk= -Received: by 10.90.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr1519568agz; - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:05:20 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:05:20 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies - <200610200423.k9K4NOc07918@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list Gaby, On 20 Oct 2006 20:29:09 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | do a symbolic link from libreadline.so.4 to libreadline.so > @@ -31888,46 +19627,13 @@ http://www.mail-archive.com/mathaction-bounces@axiom-developer.org/msg00424.html I do not know if that patch or another one was applied to the sources already. I compiled the Gold. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4mk-00054T-7u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:32:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4mi-000505-0m - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:32:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4mg-0004wt-IK - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:32:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb4mg-0004we-Cw - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:32:18 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb4mg-0001uS-93 - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:32:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7244540F53 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:32:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9L0SQlR031552 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:28:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9L0SQW2031551; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:28:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Oct 2006 02:28:25 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Pamphlets source files -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -31952,36 +19658,14 @@ I know, it is easy to say; but, think about it when you change pamphlets. They should be written by humans *for humans*, not just for the typesetting machines that would render the final DVI or PDF eventually read by humans. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4wu-0004Kn-OQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:42:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4ws-0004Hg-Kt - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:42:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb4wq-0004Gr-Sj - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:42:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb4wq-0004Gm-Nz - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:42:48 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb4wq-00034j-MD - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:42:48 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gb4wE-00043m-00 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:42:10 +0200 -Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies -To: list Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:42:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | do a symbolic link from libreadline.so.4 to libreadline.so > @@ -32017,41 +19701,12 @@ locate libreadline.so.4 which on one of Debian machines found '/lib/libreadline.so.4' (this one is from compat package and should work fine, but something more strange may cause troubles). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb6g5-0005CM-KC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:33:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb6g4-00058u-6u - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:33:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gb6g3-00057O-Hz - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:33:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gb6g3-000573-BV - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:33:35 -0400 -Received: from [70.168.83.81] (helo=centrmmtao03.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gb6g3-000166-7z - for list; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:33:35 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20061021023336.GHCH3784.centrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> - for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:33:36 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id cqYw1V00G3wCxUe0000000 - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:32:56 -0400 + +\start +Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:32:22 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Re: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording - =?iso-8859-1?q?of=09talks?= -Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:32:22 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" > My Axiom talk: > @@ -32065,37 +19720,11 @@ http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage_days2_audio/Bill_Page.mp3 Downloading that to listen now. -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHEE-0001fl-RK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:49:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHEB-0001ZM-PT - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:49:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHE5-0001MZ-R1 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:49:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbHE5-0001MB-KD - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:49:25 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbHE5-0002J8-KU - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:49:25 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LDn430008740; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:49:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'CY'" Cliff Yapp, -Subject: RE: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording of - talks Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:48:55 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording of talks On October 20, 2006 10:32 PM CY wrote: > @@ -32114,39 +19743,11 @@ Yes, that's the one. They renamed it just after I sent the email. Sorry. > Downloading that to listen now. -> - -Well... ? - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHa7-0002Du-O5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHa6-0002B6-GL - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHa4-00026V-Ka - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbHa4-00026J-5j - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:08 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbHa3-0000HA-P8 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:07 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GbHZO-0001n0-00 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:11:26 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:11:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: build-improvements and latex Gaby, you probably know this, but just in case: running @@ -32155,39 +19756,11 @@ Debian noweb. Package identification: ii nowebm 2.10c-3.3 A WEB-like literate-programming tool - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHuk-00065k-CS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:33:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHui-000651-HZ - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:33:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbHug-00063j-Rj - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:33:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbHug-00063e-JJ - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:33:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbHuf-0002nC-Fp - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:33:26 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LEX1Fk026718; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:33:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex +\start Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:32:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 21, 2006 10:11 AM Waldek Hebisch > @@ -32208,36 +19781,11 @@ list. Shall I check this into Silver /trunk? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbI9C-00016U-Aa - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:48:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbI9A-000153-44 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:48:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbI97-000140-Og - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:48:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbI97-00013t-Fx - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:48:21 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbI97-0007ii-D2 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:48:21 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GbI8P-0003a7-00; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:47:37 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:47:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > There is a better version of Rosetta.pamphlet online here: > @@ -32264,38 +19812,11 @@ I fetched the source. Diff tells me: it seems that build-improvements essentially uses your version (except for \documentclass line). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbIdr-0005Hk-8C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:20:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbIdq-0005Gg-4o - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:20:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbIdl-0005FQ-Sc - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:20:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbIdl-0005FN-Nr - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:20:01 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.81] (helo=mail261.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbIdl-0002oo-AV - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:20:01 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail261.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LFJe2G012418; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:19:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex +\start Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:19:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 21, 2006 10:48 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -32346,39 +19867,11 @@ To update the repository from the online source one could then What do you think? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJ7N-0002fx-1T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:50:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJ7L-0002a1-NL - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:50:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJ7J-0002SQ-Uw - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:50:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbJ7J-0002SD-MX - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:50:33 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.63] (helo=mail243.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbJ7J-00033C-DJ - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:50:33 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail243.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LFo91w027665; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:50:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:49:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 21, 2006 11:20 AM I wrote: @@ -32412,41 +19905,11 @@ standard noweb syntax and behaviour. And I will update the way axiom-developer.org runs noweb so that it is actually running the system installed version. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJSs-0005vC-B4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:12:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJSq-0005nm-68 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:12:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJSo-0005j8-RZ - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:12:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbJSo-0005iT-NY - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:12:46 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbJSo-0005wY-Dx - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:12:46 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9LFsi8V001091 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:54:49 +0200 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:54:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Cc: list The pamphlet ending is a bit misleading. It is a perfect latex file. @@ -32482,36 +19945,12 @@ On 10/21/2006 04:47 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > (and another hunk due to missing newline at the end of file). So > it seems that build-improvements essentially uses your version > (except for \documentclass line). -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJc4-0002Ge-Pl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:22:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJc1-0002G7-ON - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:22:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbJc0-0002Fv-2B - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:22:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbJbz-0002Fs-To - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:22:15 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbJbz-0006qy-QA - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:22:15 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LGLX6x010589; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:21:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:21:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 21, 2006 11:55 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -32532,42 +19971,11 @@ Note: We can achieve that same affect with an unmodified version of noweb if we use Norman Ramsey's suggested filter. See extensive discussion of this in the email archive. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbK0h-0007jN-IB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbK0g-0007ib-VN - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:47 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbK0g-0007hZ-CJ - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbK0g-0007h9-8l - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:46 -0400 -Received: from [70.168.83.78] (helo=centrmmtao06.cox.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbK0g-0001Xd-8k - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:46 -0400 -Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net - (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP - id <20061021164747.LTZJ1780.centrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:47 -0400 -Received: from ip70-161-120-182.hr.hr.cox.net ([70.161.120.182]) - by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id d4n71V0083wCxUe0000000 - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:07 -0400 +Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:46:36 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: list -Subject: Re: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording of - talks -Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:46:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" +Subject: Re: Photos from Sage Days 2 and audio recording of talks On Saturday 21 October 2006 09:48, you wrote: @@ -32583,36 +19991,10 @@ not being released. Any updates available or forthcoming on that subject? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbLiL-0006W4-Ed - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbLiK-0006UH-Cm - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbLiI-0006U5-QI - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbLiI-0006U2-N1 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:54 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbLiI-0003Xu-MG - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:54 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LIaZTs001533; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'CY'" Cliff Yapp Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: update on Aldor On October 21, 2006 12:46 PM CY wrote: @@ -32648,41 +20030,11 @@ to happen. :-( Anything that anyone can do to re-energize this effort, e.g. contact Steven Watt again and offer help with making Aldor open source, would be greatly appreciated by all. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbLr3-0005um-46 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:45:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbLr2-0005qb-36 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:45:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbLr0-0005ip-8g - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:45:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbLr0-0005iU-2o - for list; 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Would that be easier than releasing the code? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbMpQ-00014U-3A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:48:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbMpO-0000wO-38 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:48:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbMpM-0000p6-0k - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:48:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbMpL-0000oo-Ss - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:48:15 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.81] (helo=mail261.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbMpL-0004v2-R5 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:48:16 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail261.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LJltbd019647; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:48:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:47:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 21, 2006 2:46 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -33024,41 +20288,11 @@ not defined for \documentclass{article}. You are right and the Makefile is wrong. Everything with extension .pamphlet should be processed by noweave before calling latex. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbNNz-0005mv-6g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:24:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbNNy-0005m6-1s - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:24:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbNNx-0005ki-6i - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:24:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbNNx-0005ka-2T - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:24:01 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbNNw-0000wW-Ob - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:24:01 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9LKNs8V011040 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:23:58 +0200 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:24:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Cc: list On 10/21/2006 09:47 PM, Bill Page wrote: > On October 21, 2006 2:46 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -33126,36 +20360,11 @@ succeeds but the output is simply wrong. The patch is a misfeature!!! I completely agree. Doing otherwise just causes confusion. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbNhY-0000A8-IN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbNhU-0008Vs-68 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbNhT-0008Uj-6C - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbNhT-0008Uc-0N - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:11 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.63] (helo=mail243.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbNhT-0002zl-0j - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:11 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail243.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LKhlCS031137; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:44:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:43:39 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Ralf, @@ -33193,41 +20402,11 @@ them? Is it the same as escaping << ... >> ? I don't think Norman Ramsey's filter will handle this case since it only affects how undefined chunk names are treated. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbOgO-0000Uh-HZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:47:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbOgM-0000Re-A9 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:47:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbOgJ-0000NJ-Fs - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:47:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbOgJ-0000NA-An - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:47:03 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbOgJ-0002hA-5s - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:47:03 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9LLku8V014465 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:46:57 +0200 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:47:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Cc: list > So how do we escape these [[...]] things so that noweb doesn't touch > them? Is it the same as escaping << ... >> ? @@ -33312,39 +20491,16 @@ types while [[foo]] and [[bar]] are just functions. \end{document} - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbP9W-0003C7-Mm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:17:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbP9U-00036t-EV - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:17:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbP9T-00032p-4J - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:17:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbP9S-00032c-RT; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:17:10 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.28] (helo=mail208.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GbP9S-0007QK-7d; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:17:10 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail208.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LMGR9L023305; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:16:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:16:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, On October 21, 2006 4:05 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Greetings! Just checking that my last message hee was not lost. > @@ -33354,7 +20510,7 @@ meant the following email: On October 18, 2006 4:31 PM you asked: ->...=20 +>... > Sigh. I suppose reconfigured here? The binutils configure scripts > do look for msgfmt. I'm surprised they don't step around a missing > one, or at least bomb. What does your binutils configure output say @@ -33363,19 +20519,19 @@ On October 18, 2006 4:31 PM you asked: I am not sure what you are asking. I showed out the partial output from gcl-2.6.8pre/binutils/bfd/config.log below. -=20 -> >=20 + +> > > > --------- -> >=20 +> > > > gcl-2.6.8pre/binutils/bfd/config.log confirms: -> >=20 +> > > > Invocation command line was -> >=20 +> > > > $ ./configure --with-included-gettext -> >=20 +> > > > But apparently recursive makefile in bfd/po does not make -> > use of the included gettext. Maybe this is a binutils bug?=20 -> > =20 +> > use of the included gettext. Maybe this is a binutils bug? +> > When I looked further in this log file it showed that inspite of --with-included-gettext, the configure script also found the msgfmt @@ -33391,25 +20547,25 @@ Must have been my mistake. > ... > > But see later in the message - I apparently have a problem with > > __srget. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > There is a notorious platform specific _ name mangling issue here. > See the LEADING_UNDERSCORE variable. -> ...=20 -> >=20 +> ... +> > > > Thank you. I look forward to a finally finalized 2.6.8. The > > evoluton of 2.6.8pre is causing us a little consternaton in > > the current Axiom source distribution... :-) -> > =20 ->=20 +> > +> > My apologies. So many moving parts. I have to get everything synched > on one image, however, if we want these apps in Etch. And there have > been so many gcc et. al. issues. ->=20 +> > BTW, are we not updating ->=20 +> > http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/ ->=20 +> > anymore? Is there a latest official tarball somewhere for Etch (eta > this December)? Having a simple webpage with the filenames in some > sort of alphabetical/cronological sort order lets me automatically @@ -33419,15 +20575,15 @@ Must have been my mistake. One no one has been created any new tarballs lately. The latest version in Axiom Gold is patch-50 but I don't think Tim created a tarball when he release the patch. :-( -=20 -> > ...=20 + +> > ... > > Something is strange about thid symbol "___srget" with the 3 > > underscore characters, I think??? The name "__srget" with 2 > > underscore characters is properly defined in /usr/include/stdio.h -> >=20 +> > > > I don't understand what is going on here. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > OK, your linker is prepending an underscore, and apparently > LEADING_UNDERSCORE was improperly set. Could you investigate? @@ -33437,7 +20593,7 @@ test file compiled by the gcl configure script. The raw symbol "___srget" does have 3 underscores (two in the original name), and cos appears as "_cos" etc. Everything works fine during the Axiom build for quite a while (up to the start of the building interpsys) -until the=20 +until the Error: Undefined symbol "___srget" @@ -33457,8 +20613,8 @@ gcc (GCC) 3.1 20020420 (prerelease) Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. What sort of switch? How/when should I set it? -=20 ->=20 + +> > > Also prior to compiling depsys, bootsys was already successfully > > created however it did have one oddity. The original Axiom load > > commands like ')load postpar' run during building depsys fails @@ -33466,14 +20622,14 @@ What sort of switch? How/when should I set it? > > the digit 8 after the dot.). If I change the command to include the > > .o like this: ')load postpar.o' everything seems fine and depsys > > is built. -> >=20 +> > > > bootsys itself is actually built form a copy of gcl called 'lisp' > > that is created using compiler::link. The 'lisp' image includes > > several Axiom specific external routines. I.e. -> >=20 +> > > > echo '(compiler::link nil -> > =20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > "/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/axiom.build-improvements/build/ > powerpc-ap > > ple-darwin6.8/bin/lisp" ' \ @@ -33486,22 +20642,22 @@ What sort of switch? How/when should I set it? > > ' (setq compiler::*default-system-p* t))"' \ > > ' si::*system-directory* (quote (list ".lsp")))' \ > > ' -> >=20 +> > > "/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/axiom.build-improvements/lsp/.. > /./src/lib > > /cfuns-c.o' \ > > ' -> >=20 +> > > /home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/axiom.build-improvements/lsp/../ > ./src/lib/ > > sockio-c.o' \ > > ' -> >=20 +> > > /home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/axiom.build-improvements/lsp/../ > ./src/lib/ > > libspad.a")' \ > > | /home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/bin/gcl ->=20 +> > Can you post the output from this? > @@ -33537,13 +20693,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x201c9000 0x5f9000 0x165000 r rwx (no zone) 0x75e000 0x40000 rw rwx DefaultMallocZone --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 10 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1620 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 10 +SizeOfCmds = 1620 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x75e000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0xc30 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -33598,15 +20754,15 @@ Writing segment __DATA at 0x5f8000 - 0x5f8000 (sz: = 0) WGCL (GNU Common Lisp) April 1994 131072 pages -> >=20 +> > > > If I intervene and make Axiom use the original 'saved_gcl' to build > > 'bootsys' instead of using 'lisp', then the 'postpar.8' problem does > > not occur and gcl finds the .o files anyway, as expected. -> >=20 +> > > > This makes me suspicious that something subtle may be wrong with > > the output of 'compiler:link'. The size of the result images also > > seem curious: -> >=20 +> > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 billpage 100 18362444 Oct 17 19:08 saved_gcl > > ... > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 billpage 100 13072984 Oct 18 04:01 lisp @@ -33614,61 +20770,61 @@ WGCL (GNU Common Lisp) April 1994 131072 pages > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 billpage 100 7719512 Oct 18 04:01 raw_lisp.tmp > > -rw-r--r-- 1 billpage 100 0 Oct 18 04:01 raw_lisp_map > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 billpage 100 49588824 Oct 18 03:10 depsys -> >=20 +> > > > Remember that 'lisp' is create by 'compiler::link' from > > saved_gcl plus some externals. Why is it smaller? Also the > > "raw" files were left here don't look "normal" to me. -> >=20 +> > > > A test image of gcl created by -> >=20 +> > > > $ gcl > > (si:save-system "test-image") > > (quit) -> >=20 +> > > > is actually *larger* than the original saved_gcl. -> >=20 +> > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 billpage 100 23699532 Oct 18 11:07 test-image -> >=20 +> > > > Are all these problems related? -> >=20 +> > > > Any thing you can suggest would be greatly appreciated. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I also suspect compiler::link failure. It is also odd that > save-system images are so much bigger. Here is the tiny difference on > Linux: ->=20 +> > ls -l /usr/lib/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/saved_gcl -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9329131 Oct 18 13:43=20 +> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9329131 Oct 18 13:43 > /usr/lib/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/saved_gcl > /usr/lib/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/saved_gcl > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.6.7 CLtL1 Oct 18 2006 13:40:07 > Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl) -> Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (XGCL READLINE=20 +> Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (XGCL READLINE > BFD UNEXEC) -> Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a=20 +> Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a > compatible license > Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter ->=20 +> > Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. > Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ ->=20 +> > >(si::save-system "/tmp/ff") > ls -l /tmp/ff > -rwxr-x--- 1 camm camm 9333267 Oct 18 16:25 /tmp/ff ->=20 +> > compiler::link should be no smaller than saved_gcl. The raw files are > explicitly deleted as named and output by gcc -- the .tmp extension > appears non-std and might be expected to persist. ->=20 +> > I'd make two images, one with ->=20 +> > (si::save-system "foo") ->=20 +> > and the other with ->=20 +> > (compiler::link nil "bar") ->=20 +> > And then in each, do a few tests, including looking at > si::*load-types*. > @@ -33718,13 +20874,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x201c7000 0x1c7000 0x42e000 rw rwx (no zone) 0x5f5000 0x1fbd2000 rwx rwx (no zone) --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 11 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1744 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 11 +SizeOfCmds = 1744 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x5fad0000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0x6f8 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -33826,13 +20982,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x201c7000 0x75a000 0x40000 rw rwx (no zone) 0x79a000 0x40000 rw rwx DefaultMallocZone --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 10 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1620 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 10 +SizeOfCmds = 1620 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x75a000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0x1658 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -34052,13 +21208,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x201c7000 0x1c7000 0x42e000 rw rwx (no zone) 0x5f5000 0x1fbd2000 rwx rwx (no zone) --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 11 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1744 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 11 +SizeOfCmds = 1744 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x2032c000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0x1658 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -34175,55 +21331,24 @@ other visible problems. Does the output from the save-system and compiler::link help? I have no idea what it should look like. ->=20 +> > Lastly, you all in the axiom world might like to know that I'm about > to release an HOL88 Debian package build atop GCL. In addition to > providing an alternate theorem proving environment, one also has the > ML language built into the same image for potential use by axiom. > More on this later. ->=20 +> That sounds very interesting. I think we need to move this part of the message to a more conspicuous place. :-) -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPE3-000067-78 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPE1-00005F-0x - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPDy-000052-Oy - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPDy-00004z-JW; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:50 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GbPDy-0007u6-EX; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:50 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LML90i031163; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:21:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Axiom and the ML language built into the same - image +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Axiom and the ML language built into the same image > On October 21, 2006 4:05 PM Camm Maguire wrote: > ... @@ -34238,47 +21363,11 @@ Subject: Axiom and the ML language built into the same I would like to hear more about how to build Axiom with ML built in to the same image! -Thanks. - -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPX3-0007s8-D2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPX1-0007rZ-RG - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPX0-0007r1-4J - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbPWz-0007qw-N6 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:29 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbPWz-0002Wy-Ie - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:29 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9LMfDP0004345 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:21 -0400 -Received: (qmail 31395 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 22:41:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 21 Oct 2006 22:41:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9LMVdd09482; - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:31:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:31:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Cc: list > BTW, I have been thinking about changing "axiom--test--1" (which @@ -34287,44 +21376,11 @@ If you bring axiom--test--1 up to silver I'll check in the arch is much easier to maintain for me. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPbS-0001dE-2I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:46:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPbP-0001cs-Tv - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:46:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPbO-0001cg-PV - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:46:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbPbO-0001cd-Ln - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:46:02 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbPbK-0002xo-QT - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:46:02 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9LMjtxe006427 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:45:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6789 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 22:45:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 21 Oct 2006 22:45:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9LMaL809490; - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:36:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:36:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Cc: list > Note: We can achieve that same affect with an unmodified version > of noweb if we use Norman Ramsey's suggested filter. See extensive @@ -34334,43 +21390,11 @@ why not submit a patch to build-improvements that works just like the gold version but uses the suggested filter? just make sure that all of the noweb patches are properly covered. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPh1-0004Id-OE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPh0-0004G8-87 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPgy-0004EP-U2 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbPgy-0004EL-M0 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:48 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbPgx-0003L4-4E - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:48 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9LMphmf009499 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:43 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16549 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2006 22:51:43 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 21 Oct 2006 22:51:43 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9LMgA809494; - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:42:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:42:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Cc: list > You are right and the Makefile is wrong. Everything with extension > .pamphlet should be processed by noweave before calling latex. @@ -34385,39 +21409,11 @@ file implies running noweb. some of the files in any documented axiom system will not contain code and will not need noweb. they are, however, perfectly vaild .pamphlet files. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPxB-0006c2-6f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPx9-0006bu-U0 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbPx8-0006bf-4U - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbPx8-0006bc-1k - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:30 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbPx7-0005JH-Jb - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:29 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9LN8Q8V016516 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:08:26 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:08:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 10/22/2006 12:42 AM, root wrote: >> You are right and the Makefile is wrong. Everything with extension @@ -34445,43 +21441,11 @@ with your patch to noweb, you modified that. Without a documented format we end up like SPAD is now. A language without formal specification. Good luck. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQ1I-0003QG-5u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:12:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQ1G-0003Hv-4a - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:12:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQ1C-00034D-Fh - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:12:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbQ1B-00034A-Lf - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:12:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbQ1B-00060K-5O - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:12:41 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GbQ17-0004zb-Ef; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:12:37 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GbQ17-0005lk-DR; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:12:37 +0200 -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Aldor extend for extending Axiom code -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Oct 2006 01:13:33 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Aldor extend for extending Axiom code I just checked in the first attempt to an axiom-port of aldor-combinat. Unfortunately, we won't get anywhere with the current abilities @@ -34624,45 +21588,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > > >> System error: > FOAM-USER::|fiRaiseException| is invalid as a function. -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQGL-0005Yt-EL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:28:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQGJ-0005TV-Mu - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:28:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQGH-0005Ol-Od - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:28:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbQGH-0005Nj-9D - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:28:17 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbQGH-0007XD-70 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:28:17 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9LNRtQ8006793; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:28:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:27:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex > > > On 10/22/2006 12:42 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -34714,48 +21645,13 @@ might be. ;) > documented format we end up like SPAD is now. A language without > formal specification. > Good luck. -> - -Good grief! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQQv-0003h1-4k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQQs-0003bh-S5 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbQQp-0003VM-Tl - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbQQp-0003UC-37 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:11 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbQQo-0008US-TA - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:11 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9LNcw8V017309 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:38:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:39:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Aldor extend for extending Axiom code - <9qk62tmfdu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > The second restriction is more severe. In fact, I think it's a show > stopper. The current signature of Plus is @@ -34809,42 +21705,11 @@ But that is ugly!!! *We desparately need an open aldor compiler that can help the Axiom interpreter.* -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRAE-0007nB-Jg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:26:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRAC-0007hk-Su - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:26:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRAB-0007ei-Oc - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:26:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbRAB-0007eO-KY - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:26:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.100] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbRAB-0005um-GV - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:26:03 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF6A4F3C2; - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:26:01 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9M0M7ri014475; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:22:10 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9M0M7Cb014474; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:22:07 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:22:07 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:22:07 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -34856,45 +21721,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Thanks; I was completely unaware of this issue. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRCm-0006dM-6E - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRCj-0006WT-TY - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRCi-0006SD-Il - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbRCi-0006Rn-Er - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbRCi-0006Ab-CI - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9M0SVKS015730 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:32 -0400 -Received: (qmail 1224 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 00:28:32 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 22 Oct 2006 00:28:32 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9M0IxD09575; - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:18:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:18:59 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:08:33 +0200) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > Up to now I thought the format is like the one in noweb, but already > with your patch to noweb, you modified that. Without a documented format @@ -34979,51 +21810,13 @@ on a trivial preprocessing tool as "the standard". Think 30 year horizon. -t - - - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRFU-0001Z9-JX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:31:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRFT-0001Yb-63 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:31:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbRFR-0001YD-MS - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:31:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbRFR-0001YA-Ht - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:31:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.100] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbRFR-0006OK-If - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:31:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90BF40F05; - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:31:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9M0RYan014617; 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Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:50:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:50:27 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> - <200610220018.k9M0IxD09575@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 Oct 2006 02:50:27 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -35150,47 +21878,11 @@ People need to communicate and they need to agree on a protocol. The protocol can and should evolve, but there needs to be agreement on what is what. Otherwise, we'll be lost in a 30-light-year deep black hole. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbS1g-0002wP-BF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:21:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbS1f-0002sQ-3M - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:21:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbS1d-0002qV-OQ - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:21:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbS1d-0002qK-Gw - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:21:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbS1d-0003w2-CP - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:21:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9M1Kjps001985 - for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:20:54 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26550 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 01:20:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 22 Oct 2006 01:20:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9M1BDM09609; - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:11:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:11:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 22 Oct 2006 02:50:27 +0200) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> - <200610220018.k9M0IxD09575@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | The question of what is a valid pamphlet > | file requires definition, not standardization. @@ -35239,41 +21931,13 @@ trivial, broken case of literate programming. tools limit what you can think. think, then shape the tools. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbSlK-0002gf-P9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:08:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbSlK-0002gN-3X - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:08:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbSlJ-0002fa-Hd - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:08:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbSlJ-0002fX-CD - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:08:29 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.61] (helo=web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbSlI-0004LQ-K1 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:08:29 -0400 -Received: (qmail 26180 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2006 02:08:28 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=nDD8/ZfAiFSYtEFmJPzK34oi9rRPi4hPS0zZjsJ3e9CJKnPg4u3WxHFez0k8sZ0d7atfbpiEqDnlkIi5X8j3Lnpfy048UDPgtvKXMRv/a86z0RSfFLdoRSMjjh3rC/oNOXmqkoTylaSZESuWH39Bz+cFrhtd2cmBYwdwHFeobP8= - ; -Received: from [70.161.120.182] by web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:28 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: Pamphlet structure ideas ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > But we haven't even figured out how we plan to handle multiple > embedded \usepackage lines, hyperlinks, indexing, bibtex, @@ -35359,46 +22023,11 @@ should be such that they can be applied automatically in most cases to update files without human intervention. That means many of these issues should be resolved sooner rather than later. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdAW-00079F-Qq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:15:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdAS-00077N-MZ - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:15:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdAR-000771-0j - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:15:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbdAQ-00076y-T3 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:15:06 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbdAQ-0006Va-IC - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:15:06 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9MDEq8V004436 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:14:53 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:15:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - - <200610220111.k9M1BDM09609@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list > So if straight latex is the base case of a valid literate pamphlet file > (since it contains 0 lines of code) then we have a working definition. @@ -35441,33 +22070,11 @@ sometimes not. BTW, the documentation of "/src/scripts/document" explains nothing and thus it does "not just work". It *always* applies noweave. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdYE-0001Gu-Af - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:39:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdYC-0001G9-6K - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:39:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdY9-0001Ft-Oj - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:39:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbdY9-0001Fq-HG - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:39:37 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbdY9-0000xj-GA - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:39:37 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GbdXP-00012F-00; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:38:51 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:38:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -35502,48 +22109,19 @@ l.742 \LA{}parse_ similar for other files containing underscores in their names. It looks that silver somewhat handles this problem (Tim's patches ???). - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdwS-0003qW-UM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:04:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdwR-0003po-SM - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:04:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbdwP-0003or-6R - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:04:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbdwO-0003oo-Vx - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:04:41 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbdwO-0003zd-Gl - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:04:40 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9ME481p006861; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:04:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:03:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 22, 2006 9:39 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> >=20 -> > | ii nowebm 2.10c-3.3 A WEB-like=20 +> > +> > | ii nowebm 2.10c-3.3 A WEB-like > > | literate-programming tool -> >=20 -> ...=20 +> > +> ... > There are more problems: apparently noweb can not correctly > handle files which have underscores in their names. @@ -35556,25 +22134,25 @@ version of noweb (noweb-2.11b). > For example latex run on src/hyper/parse_aux.tex gives the > following errors (I removedother messages which are caused by > the two errors): ->=20 +> > ! Missing $ inserted. > > $ > l.13 ...aux.pamphlet}\nwbegincode{1}\moddef{parse_ -> =20 +> > aux.h}\endmoddef\nwstartde... ->=20 +> > ..... > ! Missing $ inserted. > > $ > l.742 \LA{}parse_ > aux.c\RA{} ->=20 +> > similar for other files containing underscores in their names. > It looks that silver somewhat handles this problem (Tim's -> patches ???).=20 ->=20 +> patches ???). +> Here is my console log: @@ -35641,7 +22219,7 @@ read_ht_db: Unknown type %s in ht.db\n", token.id);[] [10] Overfull \hbox (15.74986pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 371--371 - [] \OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 link->win =3D XCreateWindow(gXDisplay, + [] \OT1/cmtt/m/n/10 link->win = XCreateWindow(gXDisplay, gWindow->f DisplayedWindow, 0, 0, 100, 100, 0,[] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] @@ -35663,39 +22241,11 @@ Same result with \ -delay parse_aux.pamphlet > parse_aux2.tex -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbeUH-00038A-DE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbeUG-00036u-6o - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbeUE-00033q-FO - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbeUE-00033a-8Q - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:38 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.64] (helo=mail244.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbeUE-0007f2-2n - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:38 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail244.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9MEdEIT013430; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:29 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:39:00 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 22, 2006 9:39 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -35731,36 +22281,11 @@ generated noweb commands.\: Could this be a LOCALE/LANG issue? Or is this behaviour specific to the version of noweb distributed by Debian? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbepw-00054R-Gy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:02:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbepu-00053i-7u - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:02:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbept-00052p-3k - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:02:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbeps-00052f-VH - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:02:01 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gbeps-0002ac-Fb - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:02:00 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gbeow-0006PB-00; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:01:02 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:01:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl, 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex Bill Page wrote: > On October 22, 2006 9:39 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -35811,38 +22336,11 @@ Note that strictly speaking both forms are problematic: the first mangles names, the second passes naked underscore to latex (maybe the intention was to update '\moddef' so that it can handle underscores). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbf7H-0003m8-9Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:19:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbf7F-0003lA-Kf - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:19:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbf7D-0003k0-L1 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:19:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbf7D-0003ju-FQ - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:19:55 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gbf7D-0004DA-8z - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:19:55 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9MFJVbV010285; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:19:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex +\start Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:18:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 22, 2006 9:15 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Tim Daly wrote: @@ -35906,41 +22404,11 @@ the underlying file format. There are much better tools available for literate programming, such as Leo, which provide a complete and integrated literate programming environment. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbfBo-0005K3-IT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:24:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbfBk-0005Hj-Nr - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:24:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbfBg-0005HP-CO - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:24:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbfBg-0005HH-1j - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:24:32 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.109] (helo=mail289.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbfBf-0004VA-Tu - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:24:32 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail289.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9MFNenj020575; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:23:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Norman Ramsey'" Norman Ramsey -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:23:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl, Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl +From: Bill Page +To: Norman Ramsey +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex I think we should ask Norman Ramsey about this "name mangling". @@ -36009,48 +22477,14 @@ the version(s) of noweb distributed by Debian? > names, the second passes naked underscore to latex (maybe the > intention > was to update '\moddef' so that it can handle underscores). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbgo6-000888-Jz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:08:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbgo5-00086Y-83 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:08:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbgo4-00086C-GH - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:08:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbgo4-000867-CB - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:08:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.229] (helo=S3.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gbgo3-0004EO-SV - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:08:16 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [69.92.109.183]) - by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 79131952 - for multiple; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:07:47 -0700 +Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:07:45 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Jay Belanger - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> - <200610220018.k9M0IxD09575@localhost.localdomain> -Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:07:45 -0500 - of "Sat\, 21 Oct 2006 20\:18\:59 -0400") -Cc: - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: ... > Although noweb implements three of four features I don't see it as a > requirement. Indeed there has been discussion of other formats such as @@ -36060,47 +22494,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: Can one infer that there is (the beginnings of) one which is private? -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbhKI-0002PV-Oc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:41:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbhKH-0002Nx-E4 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:41:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbhKF-0002Ki-Es - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:41:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbhKF-0002KR-5v - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:41:31 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbhKF-0001GZ-6r - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:41:31 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9MHfJLZ011024 - for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:41:28 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17721 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2006 17:41:14 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 22 Oct 2006 17:41:14 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9MHVas17456; - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:31:36 -0400 +\start Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:31:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Jay Belanger - on Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:07:45 -0500) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> - <200610220018.k9M0IxD09575@localhost.localdomain> - <87k62sz3by.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list > > Although noweb implements three of four features I don't see it as a > > requirement. Indeed there has been discussion of other formats such as @@ -36117,34 +22515,12 @@ if latex can do code chunks directly, format them properly in a latex document and dump the code to a file there is no need for any other tool. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbhmV-00065X-3a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:10:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbhmT-00061l-4n - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:10:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbhmR-0005xg-Gc - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:10:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbhmR-0005xd-D9 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:10:39 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbhmR-0005st-5a - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:10:39 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gbhld-0008VK-00; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:09:49 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:09:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Waldek@math.uni.wroc.pl, list, - 'Norman Ramsey' Norman Ramsey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex +Cc: Norman Ramsey Bill Page wrote: > I think we should ask Norman Ramsey about this "name mangling". @@ -36200,34 +22576,10 @@ is that parse_aux.pamphlet in build-improvements is modified: and three similar chunks. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbiKt-0005RE-Sb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:46:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbiKr-0005LK-HJ - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:46:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbiKq-0005If-Jf - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:46:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbiKq-0005IP-4Z - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:46:12 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbiKp-0002mz-Ig - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:46:12 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GbiKB-0002bS-00 - for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:45:31 +0200 -To: list +\start Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:45:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: build-improvement and latex 2 I needed the patch below to run latex (make dvi) on build-improvements. @@ -36299,106 +22651,47 @@ diff -ru /home/s/test/tt/axiom1/build-improvements/src/hyper/Makefile.pamphlet b This variable should be defined every Makefile. It shall contain the relative path (ending with a slash) from the toplevel source directory --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbiXe-0006cS-DX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:59:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbiXc-0006by-6O - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:59:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbiXa-0006bQ-IT - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:59:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbiXa-0006bN-FM - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:59:22 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbiXa-0004KV-Ep - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:59:22 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9MIws3p023814; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:59:13 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex +\start Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:58:44 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: 'Waldek@math.uni.wroc.pl, list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 22, 2006 2:10 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Correction: both verion of noweb give the same result. The real > reason is that parse_aux.pamphlet in build-improvements is modified: ->=20 -> --- ../../silver/axiom/src/hyper/parse_aux.pamphlet =20 +> +> --- ../../silver/axiom/src/hyper/parse_aux.pamphlet > 2006-10-20 23:54:15.000000000 +0200 > +++ parse_aux.pamphlet 2006-10-22 19:42:42.000000000 +0200 > @@ -10,7 +10,7 @@ > \tableofcontents > \eject > \section{parse\_aux.h} -> -<>=3D -> +<>=3D +> -<>= +> +<>= > <> > #ifndef _PARSE_AUX_H_ > #define _PARSE_AUX_H_ 1 ->=20 +> > and three similar chunks. ->=20 +> The following changeset annotation -http://page.axiom-developer.org/darcsweb.cgi?r=3Daxiom.build-improvements= -;a=3Dan -notate_shade;f=3D/src/hyper/parse_aux.pamphlet +http://page.axiom-developer.org/darcsweb.cgi?r=axiom.build-improvements= +;a=an +notate_shade;f=/src/hyper/parse_aux.pamphlet Shows that Gaby made the change to include the underscore _ on 2006-09-18. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbl95-0001zI-7g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:46:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbl93-0001xZ-S3 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:46:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbl92-0001vU-0A - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:46:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gbl91-0001vG-TO - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:46:11 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gbl90-0005p4-GR - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:46:10 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9MLk48V019431 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:46:05 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:46:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610221731.k9MHVas17456@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 10/22/2006 07:31 PM, root wrote: >>> Although noweb implements three of four features I don't see it as a @@ -36446,39 +22739,11 @@ And last, I don't think that the TeX approach will be faster than noweb. Just my two cents on that approach. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gblxo-0006Mv-1J - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gblxk-0006JN-5E - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gblxb-0006BT-GU - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gblxa-0006Am-HI - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:26 -0400 -Received: from [140.247.60.24] (helo=mail.eecs.harvard.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gblxa-00055h-An - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:26 -0400 -Received: from labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (labrador.eecs.harvard.edu - [140.247.60.247]) - by mail.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3709B1A3DFC; - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) -Received: by labrador.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 32074) - id 2568D788123; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -Comments: In-reply-to "Bill Page" Bill Page - message dated "Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:23:30 -0400." Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:38:15 -0400 From: Norman Ramsey -Cc: list, 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl, Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > I think we should ask Norman Ramsey about this "name mangling". > @@ -36489,10 +22754,6 @@ Sounds like you guys have a local hack. The underscore issue is a FAQ. - -Norman - - > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Waldek Hebisch [mailto:Waldek Hebisch] @@ -36556,43 +22817,12 @@ Norman > > names, the second passes naked underscore to latex (maybe the > > intention > > was to update '\moddef' so that it can handle underscores). - > > - > > -- - > > Waldek Hebisch - > > Waldek Hebisch - > > - > > - > - > - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbmnG-0004Zu-VS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:31:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbmnE-0004ZL-Ui - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:31:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbmnD-0004Z0-CS - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:31:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbmnD-0004Yw-9b - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:31:47 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbmnD-0005AL-5v - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:31:47 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9MNVFUQ000585; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:31:32 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Norman Ramsey'" Norman Ramsey -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:30:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl, Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl +From: Bill Page +To: Norman Ramsey +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Thanks, Norman. I think we figured it out. There is really no mangling - just an "innocent" change with unexpected behaviour. @@ -36637,54 +22867,14 @@ Bill Page. > Sounds like you guys have a local hack. > > The underscore issue is a FAQ. -> -> -> Norman -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboMo-0000Sl-Ih - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:12:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboMm-0000SU-Ej - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:12:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboMk-0000S4-PM - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:12:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GboMk-0000S1-LC - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:12:34 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GboMk-0000ge-Hk - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:12:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB0C40F5A; 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Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:13:15 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:13:15 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:13:15 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -36749,44 +22908,13 @@ I did not have time to commit it. silver escapses the underscore. build-improvements explicitly removed the underscore a while ago. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboSI-000089-4p - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:18:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboSF-0008VS-C0 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:18:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboSD-0008Sl-Ec - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:18:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GboSD-0008SD-7g - for list; 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Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:16:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:16:31 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Could this be a LOCALE/LANG issue? @@ -36864,33 +22961,12 @@ uniform rule to extracting the C files from the pamphlets. No, it is a uniform behaviour of all recent noweb versions. Noweb is unable to unsecaped "_" in a chunk-name. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboUg-0002Es-Ve - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:20:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboUd-0002Ct-Tc - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:20:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboUb-0002Bj-UR - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:20:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GboUb-0002Bd-Nc - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:20:41 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GboUb-0001yy-I0 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:20:41 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GboTs-0003EI-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:19:56 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:19:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Norman Ramsey' Norman Ramsey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex +Cc: Norman Ramsey Bill Page wrote: > Thanks, Norman. I think we figured it out. There is really no @@ -36919,47 +22995,14 @@ noweave -filter 'sed "/^@use /s/_/\\\\_/g;/^@defn /s/_/\\\\_/g"' (apstrophes inside filter interacted with quoting inside noweave). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboWF-0002aT-BA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:22:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboWE-0002aO-98 - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:22:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboWA-0002ZU-Ho - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:22:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GboWA-0002ZR-AL - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:22:18 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GboWA-0002OD-6s - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:22:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6578C40F53; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:22:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9N1IKTC030521; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:18:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9N1IK9W030520; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:18:20 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:18:20 +0200 -Cc: 'Waldek@math.uni.wroc.pl, list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -36968,42 +23011,11 @@ Cc: 'Waldek@math.uni.wroc.pl, list Yes, that is correct. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboYO-0003KA-Ty - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:24:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboYN-0003Jl-5Q - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:24:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboYL-0003JZ-Ol - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:24:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GboYL-0003JW-KB - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:24:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GboYL-0002ab-GJ - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:24:33 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55F04105E; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:24:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9N1KZct030525; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:20:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9N1KZ7a030524; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:20:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:20:35 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvement and latex 2 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:20:35 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -37023,33 +23035,11 @@ My plan (and my local changes since last friday) is to rename parse_xxx to parse-xxx. I have the changes, but did not get a chance to commit it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboeN-0006J9-UK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:30:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboeL-0006Hh-6f - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:30:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GboeJ-0006H2-7U - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:30:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GboeJ-0006Gu-3k - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:30:43 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GboeJ-00038r-0A - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:30:43 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gbodb-0003Hk-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:29:59 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:29:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -37096,46 +23086,12 @@ diff -ru build-improvements.nn2/src/scripts/document.in build-improvements.nn/sr exit 0; fi - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbokS-0004nU-Jo - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:37:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbokR-0004nO-7i - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:37:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbokP-0004nC-MR - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:37:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbokP-0004n9-Jc - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:37:01 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbokP-0004hF-IN - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:37:01 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0CA4F3C9; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:36:58 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9N1X3i8030768; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:33:05 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9N1X3lY030767; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:33:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:33:03 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 Oct 2006 03:33:03 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Norman Ramsey' Norman Ramsey +Cc: Norman Ramsey Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -37148,37 +23104,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I'm in the process of "trimming out" other changes I have so that the file renaming patch can go in. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbpQo-00036m-M7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbpQm-00034Q-4U - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbpQl-00033v-Pa - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbpQl-00033s-EQ - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:47 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GbpQl-0001i4-7A - for list; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:47 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9N2KMC5025038; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:20:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: build-improvements and latex On October 22, 2006 9:30 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -37335,44 +23265,11 @@ n\}] \\ \end{document} - ------------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbqHs-00018B-HV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:15:31 -0400 From: Norman Ramsey -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > The filter from the FAQ does not work. I had to use: > @@ -37383,77 +23280,23 @@ Cc: list Urk! At some point I must have changed noweave without changing the FAQ. Thanks for the bug report; I have now changed the FAQ. - -Norman - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbsja-0000rh-51 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:52:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbsjY-0000qT-Hd - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:52:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbsjU-0000q0-U5 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:52:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GbsjU-0000px-Nm - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:52:20 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbsjU-0006HS-QU - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:52:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5213C41086; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:52:17 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9N5mLI4000353; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:48:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9N5mL5Q000352; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:48:21 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 23 Oct 2006 07:48:21 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Here is a patch to Rosetta.pamphlet to make it a real pamphlet | (noweb) file: This looks OK to me. Tim? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gbz6S-0004yF-Ah - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:40:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbN5Y-00077I-W2 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:05:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbN5V-00072l-S2 - for list; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:05:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GbN5V-00072i-Nx; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:04:57 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GbN5V-0007Bo-1J; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:04:57 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GbN5K-0000eN-00; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:04:46 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 21 Oct 2006 16:04:46 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! Just checking that my last message hee was not lost. @@ -37929,44 +23772,16 @@ Bill Page writes: > > > I am currently working on completing the Axiom build based on the > > > new build-improvements branch. > > > -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc0iH-0002G7-GC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:23:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc0iF-0002DF-87 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:23:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc0iA-00022b-HI - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:23:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc0iA-00022F-8y; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:23:30 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1Gc0i9-0000AO-F1; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:23:30 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1Gc0i5-0002ov-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:23:25 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 23 Oct 2006 10:23:25 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -38798,51 +24613,10 @@ especially the test file foo.l above. OK reply separately. -Take care, - -> -> Thanks. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc1Ie-0002Mp-24 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:01:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc1Ib-0002ME-JE - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:01:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc1IV-0002KX-5V - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:01:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc1IV-0002KU-0Q; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:01:03 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1Gc1IU-0006pK-5P; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:01:02 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9NF0NGB013667; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:00:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:00:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -39394,52 +25168,10 @@ Broken at LOAD. Type :H for Help. >>(quit) ppc-osx3:~/osx/axiom.build-improvements $ -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc28Y-00077Q-TX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc28U-00072G-Aj - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc28P-0006vb-K4 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc28O-0006uY-Rw - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:40 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc28O-0007Hp-Od - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:41 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Gc28G-0003Cf-4D; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:54:32 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1Gc28G-0003QM-0l; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:54:32 +0200 -To: Martin Rubey, Peter Broadbery, - Gabriel Dos Reis - <4537FE55.3040500@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qbqo7bepc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqo4of91.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qwt6sadh8.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q8xj8jy8m.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <453B7C81.6010509@hemmecke.de> - <9qac3onsnb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <453BC792.8070404@hemmecke.de> - <9qejsze6qf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:55:38 +0200 -Cc: aldor-combinat-devel , - axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey, Peter Broadbery, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Axiom-Combinat / non-extending category Dear Ralf, * @@ -39505,43 +25237,10 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > Note that the Rep of Plus, Times, etc. won't change. > > Things seem to work. I'll have a look whether Axiom likes this version better. -> -> -> -> Martin - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc3Zs-00040z-Pr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:27:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc3Zr-0003zY-Iy - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:27:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc3Zo-0003vs-R7 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:27:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc3Zo-0003vP-KY - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:27:04 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc3Zo-0005n2-It - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:27:04 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NHQpAn030581 - for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:27:00 -0400 -Received: (qmail 402 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 17:26:51 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 23 Oct 2006 17:26:51 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9NHHDG18307; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:17:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:17:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: GIT @@ -39556,38 +25255,15 @@ grew to 8.2GB. Under Git, it shrunk to 450MB. Given that a Mozilla checkout is around 350MB, it's fairly nice to have the whole project history (from 1998) in only slightly more space. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc5t9-0000uj-6O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:55:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc5t7-0000uV-62 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:55:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc5t1-0000rW-8l - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:55:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc5t1-0000rE-2W; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:55:03 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1Gc5t0-00041c-Od; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:55:03 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1Gc5r3-0008E1-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:53:01 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 23 Oct 2006 15:53:01 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -40174,50 +25850,10 @@ before the compiler::link and send me the output. > > Regards, > Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6UT-0004Nu-7P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6UR-0004MD-8L - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6UO-0004JJ-AS - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6UN-0004J4-Kx - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:39 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc6UN-0001ix-JL - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:39 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NKXQxL014569 - for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:33:34 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21559 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 20:33:26 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 23 Oct 2006 20:33:26 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9NKNmN18424; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:23:48 -0400 +\start Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:23:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: GIT @@ -40225,9 +25861,6 @@ man, this git thing is blindingly fast. as it says in the docs sometimes you don't think anything happened. i put up a git version of all of the current changes since --patch-50 - - - you can get an axiom copy with: git clone silver@axiom-developer.org:/home/silver/silver @@ -40235,18 +25868,11 @@ you can get an axiom copy with: and now you have your own local copy. - - - to get the latest set of host changes at any time: cd silver git pull - - - - you can edit any file (e.g. src/interp/setq.lisp.pamphlet) and then say git-update-index src/interp/setq.lisp.pamphlet @@ -40254,11 +25880,6 @@ you can edit any file (e.g. src/interp/setq.lisp.pamphlet) and then say this will remember the change on your local copy. - - - - - to set up your local copy so that you can push changes back you need a one-time change to add a line to .git/remotes/origin like this: @@ -40268,14 +25889,9 @@ and then do: git push origin - - - more details can be found on this page: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html - - it uses much less space. the arch version of axiom checks out to 304M the git version of axiom checks out to 207M @@ -40283,47 +25899,13 @@ the git version of axiom checks out to 207M simple, fast, small, distributed, reliable. i have to say i'm impressed. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6fl-0006yE-Mi - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6fi-0006vE-OK - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6fg-0006su-PZ - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6fg-0006sb-J0 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:20 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc6ff-0003DQ-U0 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:20 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 60799600D1 - for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:53:04 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.4]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B0581E1; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:53:03 -0500 (CDT) +Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:44:56 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex -From: Jay Belanger - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> - <200610220018.k9M0IxD09575@localhost.localdomain> - <87k62sz3by.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <200610221731.k9MHVas17456@localhost.localdomain> -Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:44:56 -0500 - of "Sun\, 22 Oct 2006 13\:31\:36 -0400") -Cc: - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: ... > yes. i'm learning a lot about the tex language so it's taking time. > latex does similiar processing to handle bibligraphic and index files. @@ -40339,39 +25921,16 @@ That sounds like a pretty neat idea. But wouldn't using TeX to do the tangling be inefficient for large programs? (This isn't a rhetorical question; I have no idea.) -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6x9-0000mS-DB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:03:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6x6-0000kN-K6 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:03:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6x5-0000jv-U9 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:03:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc6x5-0000jr-Nc; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:03:19 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1Gc6x5-0006HO-6x; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:03:19 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1Gc6wk-0001Xk-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:02:58 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire +\start Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:02:58 -0400 -Cc: John R Harrison , list, - Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: HOL88 (was Re: Axiom and the ML language built - into the same image) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: HOL88 (was Re: Axiom and the ML language built into the same image) +Cc: John Harrison, Robert Boyer Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > On October 21, 2006 4:05 PM Camm Maguire wrote: > > ... @@ -40433,63 +25992,11 @@ Please keep in mind that the packages, and the facility in general, are still in an early stage of development. In particular, HOL88 loads right into the user package, so is not well isolated. -Take care, - -> Thanks. -> -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc7LP-0006e6-CM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc7LN-0006db-SJ - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc7LM-0006cY-9h - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc7LM-0006cL-2R - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:24 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc7LL-0001u2-N1 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:24 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NLSDEm021001 - for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:28:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14201 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 21:28:02 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 23 Oct 2006 21:28:02 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9NLIPR18469; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:18:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:18:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Jay Belanger - on Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:44:56 -0500) Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex - <200610212242.k9LMgA809494@localhost.localdomain> - <453AA871.2080904@hemmecke.de> - <200610220018.k9M0IxD09575@localhost.localdomain> - <87k62sz3by.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> - <200610221731.k9MHVas17456@localhost.localdomain> - <87hcxudanr.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> -Cc: list > That sounds like a pretty neat idea. But wouldn't using TeX to do the > tangling be inefficient for large programs? (This isn't a rhetorical @@ -40515,42 +26022,13 @@ and recursively walk the <<*>> tag. so i'm not worried about the time latex might take. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc8wR-0004wd-7v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:10:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc8wP-0004vQ-GR - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:10:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gc8wN-0004tL-Te - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:10:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc8wN-0004tB-QZ - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:10:43 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc8wN-0000Jt-Ch - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:10:43 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 56A7A60220 - for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:18:39 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.4]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F00960194; - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:18:37 -0500 (CDT) +Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:10:40 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: GIT -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:10:40 -0500 - of "Mon\, 23 Oct 2006 16\:23\:48 -0400") -Cc: - -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > man, this git thing is blindingly fast. @@ -40558,40 +26036,15 @@ It certainly is. I just got a copy of silver Axiom using git. It seems as if git got the whole thing in less time than it took svn to get a few files from the zip directory. -Jay - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcAxb-0005Vp-4i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:20:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcAxZ-0005VJ-4D - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:20:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcAxX-0005Ux-II - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:20:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcAxX-0005Uu-GE - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:20:03 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcAnh-0007sJ-KQ - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:09:53 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9O19XAY020478; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:09:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +\start +Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:09:19 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Jay Belanger Subject: RE: GIT -Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:09:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 23, 2006 7:11 PM Jay Belanger > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > > man, this git thing is blindingly fast. > @@ -40608,46 +26061,11 @@ See links at bottom of page http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSources -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcB3H-00026e-K0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:25:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcB3F-00024p-OQ - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:25:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcB3E-00022s-4R - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:25:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcB3D-00022T-R0 - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:25:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcB3D-0006co-Jk - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:25:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A1440FEC; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:25:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9O1Lr2a022710; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:21:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9O1Lr0J022709; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:21:53 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 24 Oct 2006 03:21:53 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Oct 2006 03:21:53 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -40672,37 +26090,12 @@ environment. That behaviour breaks Axiom build. It is a regression from previous versions. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBN9-0001xt-Mq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBN6-0001wS-Dz - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBN5-0001w1-Mr - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcBN5-0001vq-DS - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:27 -0400 -Received: from [128.194.138.12] (helo=pine.cs.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcBN4-0002oc-QS - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:27 -0400 -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-25.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.25]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9O1kPSt024417 - for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:46:25 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 087A91A9C8; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:46:25 -0500 (CDT) -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 23 Oct 2006 20:46:25 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] axiom.sty - Hi, I added a few LaTeX macros to support documentation. @@ -40795,51 +26188,28 @@ Future patches to some pamphlets will use them. We need to be able to mark the various computer algebra sections - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBUy-00062q-UO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:54:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBUx-00061O-0l - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:54:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBUw-00060l-AT - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:54:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBUw-00060S-3P; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:54:34 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcBUv-0004HO-SU; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:54:34 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9O1qjWB028180; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:53:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:52:26 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 On October 23, 2006 3:53 PM Camm Maguire wrote: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > But I see the this symbol *is* known to the gcl image. -> >=20 +> > > > ppc-osx3:~/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre $ nm unixport/saved_gcl | grep srget > > U ___srget -> >=20 +> > > > What is wrong? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Here is says that saved_gcl *uses* the symbol, but does not provide > it. We need T ___srget. > Aha. No "__srget" symbol defined in the gcl image? Isn't it strange? -=20 + > Was our patch to o/makefile designed to remove ___srget from plt.h? > If so, this is the culprit. What was the reason if this is the case? @@ -40896,17 +26266,17 @@ MY_PLT(tanh) -------- You will note that "__srget" (two underscores) is present. -=20 + > The idea is that raw_gcl needs its own symbol for every symol that > can be written by the compiler/gcc into an object file to be loaded. > If symbols are in external libraries, e.g. cos() in libm, GCL compiles > in its own reference by taking the address in C ->=20 -> void *ref=3Dcos; ->=20 +> +> void *ref=cos; +> > This forces ldd to make a plt table, en effective trampoline, which > will be properly relocated at runtime by ld.so. Jumping to this -> trampoline is sufficient to get us to where we need to go. =20 +> trampoline is sufficient to get us to where we need to go. > Thanks for the explanation. @@ -40923,11 +26293,11 @@ ppc-osx3:~/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre $ Is that significant? Does that affect how gcl should look for this symbol? -=20 + > We also have an additional mechanism to parse the raw_map file to > look at the plt table explicitly if present. This is not very > portable, but the results are in si::*plt-table*. ->=20 +> I get: @@ -40951,18 +26321,18 @@ NIL >... > -> > > > Writing segment __DATA at 0x5f8000 - 0x5f8000=20 +> > > > Writing segment __DATA at 0x5f8000 - 0x5f8000 > > > (sz: 0) > > > > WGCL (GNU Common Lisp) April 1994 131072 pages -> > > >=20 +> > > > > > > > > > Does this stop here? Or do you see "Initializing ...." as in > > > your compiler::link output below? > > > -> >=20 +> > > > It stops there. ->=20 -> OK, this is definitely strange. Could you please=20 +> +> OK, this is definitely strange. Could you please > > (trace system open delete-file) > @@ -40995,7 +26365,7 @@ Warning: DELETE-FILE is being redefined. > 1> (OPEN #p"./user-init.c" :DIRECTION :OUTPUT) <1 (OPEN #) - 1> (SYSTEM "gcc -no-cpp-precomp -c -Wall -DVOL=3Dvolatile = + 1> (SYSTEM "gcc -no-cpp-precomp -c -Wall -DVOL=volatile = -fsigned-char -pipe -I /home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/lib/gcl-2.6.8/unixport/../h -O3 @@ -41166,13 +26536,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x201c7000 0x1c7000 0x42e000 rw rwx (no zone) 0x5f5000 0x1fbd2000 rwx rwx (no zone) --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 11 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1744 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 11 +SizeOfCmds = 1744 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x2032c000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0x1658 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -41293,13 +26663,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x201c7000 0x1c7000 0x42e000 rw rwx (no zone) 0x5f5000 0x1fbd2000 rwx rwx (no zone) --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 11 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1744 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 11 +SizeOfCmds = 1744 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x5fad0000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0x6f8 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -41371,40 +26741,11 @@ Note: no initializing in the above output from save-system. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBsE-0006hY-9o - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:18:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBsC-0006fK-Sf - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:18:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBsB-0006bu-7p - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:18:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcBsB-0006bj-4a; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:18:35 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.134] (helo=mail14c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcBsA-0000da-U3; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:18:35 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail14c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9O2HB7P001752; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:17:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:16:47 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -41429,40 +26770,11 @@ On October 23, 2006 9:52 PM I wrote: Oops, please exclude the above comment. I must be tired, but I realize that's nonesense. Sorry. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcCK2-0008GK-Mt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:47:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcCK0-0008Fe-Vn - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:47:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcCJy-0008F7-Nj - for list; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:47:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcCJy-0008F4-Jg; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:47:18 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.131] (helo=mail11c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcCJy-0005NL-IQ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:47:18 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail11c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9O2jrR5022357; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:46:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:45:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -41487,36 +26799,11 @@ but the references to dynamic loading at run time scared me. ;) Should all of this be figured out by gcl compiler::link? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcDd6-0001kQ-0A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:11:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcDd3-0001jg-UN - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:11:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcDd0-0001j0-Ao - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:11:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcDd0-0001ix-5o; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:11:02 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcDcz-00083d-WF; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:11:02 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GcDcs-0005qI-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:10:54 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -From: Camm Maguire Date: 24 Oct 2006 00:10:54 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! @@ -41529,7 +26816,7 @@ Can you post plt.h, nm plttest.o and nm plt.o please? take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -41551,54 +26838,12 @@ take care, > but the references to dynamic loading at run time scared me. ;) > > Should all of this be figured out by gcl compiler::link? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcF8L-0000si-1q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcF8J-0000rV-IL - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcF8I-0000qh-JG - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcF8I-0000qW-Dm - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:26 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcF8I-00077R-Dv - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:26 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9O5l7Hx023914 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:47:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21507 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 05:47:08 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 24 Oct 2006 05:47:08 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9O5bZw18680; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:37:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:37:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list -Subject: [Emil Volcheck: David Joyner to do OSCAS - column] +Subject: [Emil Volcheck: David Joyner to do OSCAS column] fyi..... @@ -41607,14 +26852,11 @@ It was intended to be a place to discuss current CA systems and design ideas for a new system. This grew out of a conference I attended sponsored by INRIA. -t - ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:46:26 -0400 From: Emil Volcheck To: sigsam_officers@acm.org -Cc: David Joyner , wdj@usna.edu, - Tim Daly Tim Daly, Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr +Cc: David Joyner, Tim Daly, Joris van der Hoeven Subject: David Joyner to do OSCAS column Hello, all, @@ -41631,17 +26873,17 @@ SIGSAM leadership team! - --Emil -- ----- Forwarded message from David Joyner ----- +- ----- Forwarded message from David Joyner ----- Delivered-To: unknown DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WmMogs83kECyUT9IMoCvVp/qQT8dSNGFAyYOPyoG7UK459z74AmQOv6ErqslTVjgtJjyjqlT9ueAm5bwnsy4guf8WrqguOWuY+Bd/7rKA4W/1jtMRB9wTFIg/mZ7vRmx+JtL8psT1G/l6MpyxQgbKpazWnZ1OU+DPaygOS+3eBc= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:05:50 -0400 -From: David Joyner +From: David Joyner To: Emil Volcheck Subject: Re: OSCAS, was Re: siam sec [sigsam] -Cc: David Joyner +Cc: David Joyner On 10/22/06, Emil Volcheck wrote: @@ -41687,61 +26929,15 @@ criticism ahead of time? >to welcome you to the SIGSAM leadership team. -> ->--Emil -> -> ->-- ->Emil Volcheck ->Emil Volcheck ->http://acm.org/~volcheck -> - -- ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- -- -Emil Volcheck -Emil Volcheck -http://acm.org/~volcheck -------- End of forwarded message ------- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcFMu-0003GZ-61 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcFMs-0003GF-VB - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcFMr-0003FO-Jo - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcFMr-0003FJ-6H - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:29 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcFMq-0001da-JW - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:28 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF8240E22; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:02:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9O5wRZc024468; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:58:29 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9O5wRob024467; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:58:27 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f + +\start To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [Emil Volcheck: David Joyner to do OSCAS - column] +Subject: Re: [Emil Volcheck: David Joyner to do OSCAS column] From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Oct 2006 07:58:27 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | fyi..... | @@ -41753,49 +26949,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: I've been subscribed to that list since you started it, but it does not seem to have any activity, or was I unsubscribed? 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I ll pay 300$. Anybody else would like to add a little to @@ -41826,35 +26984,10 @@ Conditions: Price: 300$ (negotiable) - - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcKMv-0002cj-2x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:22:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcKMt-0002au-Fm - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:22:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcKMo-0002Zs-BF - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:22:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcKMo-0002Zp-6H - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:22:46 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcKMo-0002gx-19 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:22:46 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcKM5-00011p-00 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:22:01 +0200 -To: list Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:22:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Latex hangs As I reported on some machines build (or just 'make dvi' on @@ -41874,38 +27007,11 @@ give it _before_ file name. So the form below is immune to hangs: latex --interaction nonstopmode book.pamphlet --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5h-0000kD-Jj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5e-0000hS-VX - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5a-0000cH-Hw - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5a-0000bz-61; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:06 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcM5Y-0000f2-FS; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:05 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9ODAuXE012021; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:11:14 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 +\start Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:10:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -42607,59 +27713,12 @@ Bill Page. > -------- > > Note: no initializing in the above output from save-system. -> -> > ... -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5x-00011y-TU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5w-00010U-58 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcM5q-0000uP-CX - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcM5q-0000uA-2v - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcM5o-0000hK-MV - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:21 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9ODD1mj004709 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:13:08 -0400 -Received: (qmail 11346 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 13:13:01 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 24 Oct 2006 13:13:01 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9OD3V019162; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:03:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:03:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:22:01 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: Latex hangs -Cc: list > I guess that intention here was to avoid hangs, but this does not > work! To make '--interaction nonstopmode' effective one has to @@ -42669,37 +27728,16 @@ ah, that's useful to know. fixed in the next release. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNPX-0001xz-OF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNPV-0001wd-GJ - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNPP-0001tY-Qx - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNPP-0001tH-FC; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:39 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcNPP-000646-0K; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:39 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GcNPG-0000z4-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:30 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -From: Camm Maguire Date: 24 Oct 2006 10:37:30 -0400 -Cc: list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 +Cc: Robert Boyer Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -43483,71 +28521,16 @@ Take care, > > -------- > > > > Note: no initializing in the above output from save-system. -> > -> > > ... -> > -> > Regards, -> > Bill Page. -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> > -> > -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNUR-0004mg-VQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:42:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNUP-0004k4-Le - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:42:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNUL-0004dh-6P - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:42:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcNUK-0004dS-QK - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:42:44 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcNUK-0006sU-PL - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:42:44 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OEgMQ9018884 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:42:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14320 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 14:42:24 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Jay Belanger; 24 Oct 2006 14:42:24 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9OEWrD19201; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:32:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:32:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list > On October 23, 2006 7:11 PM Jay Belanger > > -> > root Tim Daly writes: +> > Tim Daly writes: > > > > > man, this git thing is blindingly fast. > > @@ -43577,44 +28560,17 @@ date of 20061024. Let me know if it works. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNaa-0006DM-3I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:49:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNaY-0006Bc-7z - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:49:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNaV-00068L-PC - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:49:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcNaV-00068I-Jp - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:49:07 -0400 -Received: from [24.116.0.230] (helo=S4.cableone.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcNaV-000829-1I - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:49:07 -0400 -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [69.92.109.183]) - by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 79365929 - for multiple; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:48:55 -0700 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: GIT -From: Jay Belanger Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:48:51 -0500 - "Mon\, 23 Oct 2006 21\:09\:19 -0400") -Cc: list - +From: Jay Belanger +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT I hope I'm not just cluttering up the mail list with more talk about revision control systems, but svn had stopped working for me, and git finally gave me a working silver branch of Axiom, and quickly, too. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: ... > But Mercurial is faster (and some say better) than git. @@ -43630,35 +28586,11 @@ I don't quite get how that works (perhaps because I haven't read up on Mercurial yet). What would be the command to check out the silver repository? -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNmJ-0004MB-2v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:01:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNmG-0004Lh-KV - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:01:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNmF-0004Ku-AU - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:01:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNmE-0004Ki-Va; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:01:15 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcNmE-0001hY-0G; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:01:14 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GcNly-000196-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:00:58 -0400 +Date: 24 Oct 2006 11:00:58 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 24 Oct 2006 11:00:58 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings, and thanks! @@ -43697,48 +28629,12 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > > That behaviour breaks Axiom build. It is a regression from previous > versions. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNyG-000553-Mt - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:13:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNyF-00054a-8T - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:13:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcNy9-000543-K7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:13:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcNy9-000540-B4 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:13:33 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcNy8-0003Uu-WE - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:13:33 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9OFDR32023980 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:13:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:14:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Latex hangs - <200610241303.k9OD3V019162@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list On 10/24/2006 03:03 PM, root wrote: >> I guess that intention here was to avoid hangs, but this does not @@ -43749,7 +28645,6 @@ On 10/24/2006 03:03 PM, root wrote: > > fixed in the next release. > -> t Cool! Were you recently saying that your Gold-To-Be is now available as a git archive? I fear sourceforge Silver is already out-of-date. @@ -43760,36 +28655,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSources so the git stuff is burried in the mail archive. :-( -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcO4b-00016t-Vf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcO4a-000160-J5 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcO4W-0000zf-RY - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcO4W-0000zV-N7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:08 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.189] (helo=mail69c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcO4W-0004lQ-KQ - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:08 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail69c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9OFJlIr015227; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:19:30 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Jay Belanger Subject: RE: GIT -Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:19:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Jay, @@ -43806,7 +28676,7 @@ You can't clutter up something that is already cluttered up... ;) What was your problem svn? Did you try the Google Code mirror? -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > > But Mercurial is faster (and some say better) than git. > @@ -43843,48 +28713,11 @@ After installing mercurial do this: hg clone http://page.axiom-developer.org/repo/hgwebdir.cgi/axiom/build-improvements -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOEb-0007NM-Vu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:30:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOEX-0007HH-UF - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:30:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOES-0007A3-8m - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:30:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcOEQ-00079K-6Z - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:30:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcOEQ-000681-27 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:30:22 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OFTvsO024868 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:30:01 -0400 -Received: (qmail 9483 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 15:29:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 24 Oct 2006 15:29:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9OFKQ119248; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:20:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:14:04 +0200) Subject: Re: Latex hangs - <200610241303.k9OD3V019162@localhost.localdomain> - <453E2DBC.9090504@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > >> I guess that intention here was to avoid hangs, but this does not > >> work! To make '--interaction nonstopmode' effective one has to @@ -43928,38 +28761,15 @@ get Google syncing to work. anyway, at this point it is just an experiment. i just applied the --interaction patch to see if Jay can pull it. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOdp-0001On-Le - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:56:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOdn-0001N0-CN - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:56:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOdh-0001GV-Sl - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:56:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcOdh-0001GC-Lj; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:56:29 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcOdg-0002ux-UI; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:56:29 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GcOd1-0001Od-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:55:47 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 24 Oct 2006 11:55:47 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On October 23, 2006 3:53 PM Camm Maguire wrote: > > > ... @@ -44582,43 +29392,7 @@ OK, at least I can reproduce this on my mac -- the link output is garbled without the trace, and I see the size difference. Will investigate and report more. -Take care, - -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPOX-00085a-Ne - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPOV-00081u-8B - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPOQ-000802-QH - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcPOQ-0007zt-KF - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:46 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcPOQ-0005tI-JU - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:46 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcPNj-0006bU-00 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:44:03 +0200 To: list Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:44:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch @@ -44630,47 +29404,11 @@ from current directory and bombs seeing duplicate '\documentclass'. This affects running Latex in src/doc directory. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPOe-0008B9-VC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:45:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPOc-00089w-Mh - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPOY-00086X-TM - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcPOY-000868-B7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:54 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcPOY-0005uS-C7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:44:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB64F4F3BF; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:44:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9OGepFo004290; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:40:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9OGepxL004289; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:40:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 24 Oct 2006 18:40:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54mz7lyd05.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Oct 2006 18:40:50 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -44690,42 +29428,11 @@ The reason is that there are packages, e.g. Axiom, that are only interested in the GCL image not the documentation. They should be given a chance to build and use the image. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPmH-0002Nj-SR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:09:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPmF-0002NY-Vs - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:09:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcPmB-0002Lx-73 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:09:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcPmB-0002Lt-0b - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:09:19 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcPmA-0002Hd-PP - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:09:18 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ECC40FBE; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:09:16 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9OH5GCh005058; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:05:18 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9OH5G5v005057; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:05:16 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 24 Oct 2006 19:05:16 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Latex and axiom.sty.tex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Oct 2006 19:05:16 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -44738,33 +29445,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I usually do out of source build so I don't see this problem. Thanks for the notice. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQ6u-0008I1-6t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:30:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQ6t-0008H0-1W - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:30:43 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQ6o-0008Dr-9G - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:30:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcQ6o-0008Dh-4E - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:30:38 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcQ6o-0005HT-1T - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:30:38 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcQ5h-0001iD-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:29:29 +0200 -Subject: Re: Latex and axiom.sty.tex -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:29:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Latex and axiom.sty.tex > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -44785,43 +29470,11 @@ run in src/doc subdirectory of build directory. 'document' creates The problem may depend on default setting of TEXINPUTS, I have Latex intallation from Debian 'texlive-full' package (with default settings). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQSB-0000RN-DF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQS8-0000PY-Tn - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQS3-0000LY-CY - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcQS3-0000LM-1H - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:35 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcQS1-0001cY-Vg - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:34 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9OHqT32030479 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:52:29 +0200 +\start Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:53:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Latex hangs - <200610241303.k9OD3V019162@localhost.localdomain> - <453E2DBC.9090504@hemmecke.de> - <200610241520.k9OFKQ119248@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list Nevertheless, last week you thought about making your Gold-to-be public. We should have your tla branch and Silver on sourceforge and google in @@ -44870,49 +29523,16 @@ On 10/24/2006 05:20 PM, root wrote: > > anyway, at this point it is just an experiment. > i just applied the --interaction patch to see if Jay can pull it. -> -> t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQTt-0001GE-4d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:54:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQTq-0001Er-VY - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:54:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQTl-0001CM-Hx - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:54:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcQTl-0001CG-C7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:54:21 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.19] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcQTl-0001uY-9R - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:54:21 -0400 -Received: from ellipse (ALille-251-1-90-3.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.204.31.3]) - by mwinf1921.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B45301C000A1; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:54:17 +0200 (CEST) -From: Gregory Vanuxem -To: "GCL List" , - Vadim V. Zhytnikov Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:54:17 +0200 - charset="koi8-r" -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov +Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and agraphics in Axiom Forwarding to axiom-developer mailing list. > -----Message d'origine----- -> De : gcl-devel-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@gnu.org -> [mailto:gcl-devel-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@gnu.org]De la part -> de Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> Envoye : mardi 24 octobre 2006 20:23 -> A : GCL List -> Objet : [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and agraphics in Axiom -> > > Hi! > @@ -44939,52 +29559,11 @@ Forwarding to axiom-developer mailing list. > Unfortunately I had no time to investigate problem > in more details. Maybe anybody has a good idea > how to debug such peculiar situation? -> -> With best regards, -> -> Vadim -> -> -> -- -> Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Gcl-devel mailing list -> Gcl-devel@gnu.org -> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel -> - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQXc-0003Ns-QX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:58:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQXa-0003MG-AL - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:58:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQXV-0003Hu-6s - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:58:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQXV-0003Hq-1R; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:58:13 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.63] (helo=mail243.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcQXU-0002UF-W9; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:58:13 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail243.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9OHtlqM012192; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:56:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire + +\start Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:55:26 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -45083,41 +29662,11 @@ There is no objdump on this OSX 10.2 system. :-( Shall I try to install GNU binutils? The version bundled with GCL or a newer one? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQlw-0000TT-OX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:13:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQlt-0000Pt-B4 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:13:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQln-0000LO-Lc - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:13:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcQln-0000L7-3S - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:12:59 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcQlm-0005uG-Oa - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:12:59 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9OICo32031054 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:12:50 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:13:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Latex and axiom.sty.tex -Cc: list I don't think that this is a problem with TEXINPUTS. \usepackage finally uses \include to get the file into memory. \input however, appends @@ -45161,36 +29710,12 @@ On 10/24/2006 07:29 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > The problem may depend on default setting of TEXINPUTS, I have Latex > intallation from Debian 'texlive-full' package (with default settings). -> - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQmx-0001QQ-JV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:14:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQmu-0001OH-O4 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:14:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcQmq-0001LQ-Qu - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:14:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcQmq-0001L8-L9 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:14:04 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.135] (helo=mail15c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcQmq-0006AV-2k - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:14:04 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail15c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9OIDhot027699; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:13:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Latex hangs Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:13:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Latex hangs On October 24, 2006 1:53 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -45261,54 +29786,12 @@ Bill Page. > > > > anyway, at this point it is just an experiment. > > i just applied the --interaction patch to see if Jay can pull it. -> > -> > t -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcRAN-0003UZ-4U - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:38:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcRAL-0003Ta-0Z - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:38:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcRAG-0003Pe-CJ - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:38:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcRAF-0003PW-MG - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:38:15 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcRAF-00023z-LI - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:38:15 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OIc14i029831 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:38:09 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6305 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 18:38:01 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Ralf Hemmecke; 24 Oct 2006 18:38:01 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9OISLQ19367; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:28:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:28:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Latex hangs -Cc: list Bill, @@ -45316,42 +29799,13 @@ What is the state of SVN on axiom-developer? Do you feel it can be used? If I try to update it with the changes what breaks? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcROO-00060K-0x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:52:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcROM-0005zh-3B - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:52:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcROH-0005yz-7w - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:52:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcROH-0005yw-1o - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:52:45 -0400 -Received: from [150.243.160.94] (helo=uranium.truman.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcROH-0004YL-1c - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:52:45 -0400 -Received: from uranium.truman.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 80826651AD - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:00:42 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (vh213602.truman.edu - [150.243.64.4]) - by uranium.truman.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7E465745; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:00:41 -0500 (CDT) -To: -Subject: Re: GIT -From: Jay Belanger Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:52:32 -0500 - "Tue\, 24 Oct 2006 11\:19\:30 -0400") -Cc: - +From: Jay Belanger +To: list +Subject: Re: GIT -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: ... >> but svn had stopped working for me, and git finally gave me a >> working silver branch of Axiom, and quickly, too. @@ -45373,36 +29827,11 @@ I guess that git and mercurial are supposed to play nice together. > hg clone > http://page.axiom-developer.org/repo/hgwebdir.cgi/axiom/build-improvements -Thanks. - -Jay - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS4c-0004b4-II - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS4b-0004ak-BV - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS4W-0004Yq-CR - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS4R-0004Wp-6J; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:19 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcS4Q-0006o7-WC; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:19 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GcS3v-00031A-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:35:47 -0400 -To: Gregory Vanuxem -From: Camm Maguire Date: 24 Oct 2006 15:35:47 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , GCL List -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Greetings! @@ -45416,12 +29845,6 @@ Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Forwarding to axiom-developer mailing list. > > > -----Message d'origine----- -> > De : gcl-devel-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@gnu.org -> > [mailto:gcl-devel-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@gnu.org]De la part -> > de Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> > Envoye : mardi 24 octobre 2006 20:23 -> > A : GCL List -> > Objet : [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and agraphics in Axiom > > > > > > Hi! @@ -45449,77 +29872,12 @@ Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > Unfortunately I had no time to investigate problem > > in more details. Maybe anybody has a good idea > > how to debug such peculiar situation? -> > -> > With best regards, -> > -> > Vadim -> > -> > -> > -- -> > Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Gcl-devel mailing list -> > Gcl-devel@gnu.org -> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel -> > -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Gcl-devel mailing list -> Gcl-devel@gnu.org -> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS55-0004ug-LI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS53-0004sd-Cw - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS4y-0004on-HY - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcS4y-0004oZ-BZ - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:52 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcS4y-0006rd-89 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:36:52 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49764F3CC; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:36:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9OJWms7009042; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:32:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9OJWmcG009041; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:32:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f + +\start +Date: 24 Oct 2006 21:32:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Latex hangs - <200610241303.k9OD3V019162@localhost.localdomain> - <453E2DBC.9090504@hemmecke.de> - <200610241520.k9OFKQ119248@localhost.localdomain> - <453E5305.3060403@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Oct 2006 21:32:48 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -45531,43 +29889,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Axiom is the only project I know of that has more SCM than active developers :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS8u-0001sn-Nd - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:40:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS8s-0001oZ-2g - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:40:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcS8m-0001en-5c - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:40:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcS8l-0001eX-VZ - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:40:48 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcS8m-0008C6-0D - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:40:48 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DC14F3CE; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:40:34 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9OJaiGQ009051; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:36:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9OJaitI009050; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:36:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 24 Oct 2006 21:36:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Latex and axiom.sty.tex - <453E57CF.7000800@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Oct 2006 21:36:44 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -45592,41 +29918,15 @@ yes, just like document did before (I think). Let me moll over this; I'll get back to you. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSHp-0000vr-QR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:50:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSHn-0000um-Ai - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:50:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSHh-0000qh-9M - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:50:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcSHh-0000qX-1g - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:50:01 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcSHg-00015h-Me - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:50:01 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.211.128] (ALille-251-1-21-128.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.211.128]) - by mwinf1903.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CBF4F1C0008A; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:49:12 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Camm Maguire - <54y7r5ecbw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:47:44 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , GCL List -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Le mardi 24 octobre 2006 =E0 15:35 -0400, Camm Maguire a =E9crit : > Greetings! ->=20 +> > It would be most helpful if someone could post diff -ruN between > 1. and 2. @@ -45639,51 +29939,23 @@ the code produced by gcl 2) and 3) is different (incorrect ?) for, at least, src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet (if I swith to 1) I only need to rebuild sockio.lisp to have graphics). -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSTl-00065K-An - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:02:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSTj-00064A-Qw - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:02:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSTi-00062j-2e - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:02:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcSTh-00062c-Ob - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:02:25 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcSTh-00032g-6d - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:02:25 -0400 -Received: from [82.127.211.128] (ALille-251-1-21-128.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - [82.127.211.128]) - by mwinf1903.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 145A91C000BD; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:01:35 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Camm Maguire - <54y7r5ecbw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1161719264.2830.13.camel@ellipse> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:59:33 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , GCL List -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Le mardi 24 octobre 2006 =E0 21:47 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit : > Le mardi 24 octobre 2006 =E0 15:35 -0400, Camm Maguire a =E9crit : > > Greetings! -> >=20 +> > > > It would be most helpful if someone could post diff -ruN between > > 1. and 2. ->=20 +> > A mail that I had to send (it's not what you are asking but...): ->=20 +> > Hello, ->=20 +> > About the valuable remark of Vadim V. Zhytnikov (thank you very much), > the code produced by gcl 2) and 3) is different (incorrect ?) for, at > least, src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet (if I swith to 1) I only need to @@ -45692,82 +29964,21 @@ Le mardi 24 octobre 2006 =E0 21:47 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit : Different between gcl-2.6.8pre (Axiom cvs) and gcl-2.6.8pre2 (Axiom cvs) of course. -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcScE-0004Qj-Dm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcScB-0004Mx-UD - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcSc6-0004Eo-NH - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcSc5-0004DG-HT - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcSc1-000492-Qq - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:05 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OKAtPO003497 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:10:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16339 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 20:10:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Camm Maguire; 24 Oct 2006 20:10:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9OK1Ek19428; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:01:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:01:14 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:59:33 +0200) -Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom - <54y7r5ecbw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1161719264.2830.13.camel@ellipse> <1161719973.2830.21.camel@ellipse> -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom the reason gcl-2.6.8pre2 exists is that the gcl-2.6.8pre does not build properly on Fedora Core 5. However, FC6 just went gold today and i'm downloading the torrent now. i'll test it there. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcWq7-0001Pm-IC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:41:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcWq5-0001N4-2t - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:41:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcWpz-0001HP-BW - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:41:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcWpy-0001H1-Ng - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:41:42 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.62] (helo=mail242.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcWpy-00015F-9O - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:41:42 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail242.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9P0fIjc013549; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:41:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:40:53 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Latex hangs -Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:40:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list Tim, @@ -45815,43 +30026,15 @@ update something there, I think I can figure out how to automatically propagate the change back to SourceForge via SVK on axiom-developer (maybe). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcX5k-0005dr-1x - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:58:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcX5i-0005d2-SS - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcX5h-0005c4-AA - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcX5h-0005bw-3f - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:57 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcX5h-0003P7-7Q - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:57 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9P0vatk031548; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:17 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Jay Belanger Subject: RE: GIT -Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:57:17 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 24, 2006 2:53 PM Jay Belanger wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > >> but svn had stopped working for me, and git finally gave me > >> a working silver branch of Axiom, and quickly, too. @@ -45904,35 +30087,10 @@ http://page.axiom-developer.org/repo/hgwebdir.cgi/axiom/build-improvements I think you will find install mercurial surprisingly easy. Let me know how this turns out. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXLh-00020m-Ei - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:14:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXLg-000208-6P - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:14:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXLd-0001xP-6u - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:14:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXLd-0001xI-1d - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:14:25 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXLc-0005xr-Rz - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:14:25 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcXKv-0007Sv-00 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:13:41 +0200 -To: list Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:13:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: build-improvements and hypertex pages Recentny installation paths changed, so that hypertex is installed @@ -45959,38 +30117,11 @@ regenerate example pages (saving download size and as a byproduct getting correct paths) but ATM the command which should regenerate grafic does not work correctly. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXO3-0003cU-6m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXO0-0003YS-E2 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXNz-0003XG-Me - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXNy-0003Wh-Pc - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:51 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.136] (helo=mail16c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXNy-0006QX-La - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:50 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail16c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9P1GO3C003465; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Latex hangs +\start Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:16:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Latex hangs On October 24, 2006 3:33 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -46021,46 +30152,11 @@ yet another SCM for Axiom Gold? Hmmm... now who was that guy who insisted on adding svn to this mix in this first place? :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXWQ-0005i5-En - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:25:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXWO-0005fH-A7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:25:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXWK-0005bA-Rm - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:25:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXWK-0005b7-O3 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:25:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXWK-0007lp-Mo - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:25:28 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9P1Ol1S018078 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:24:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5221 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 01:24:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 25 Oct 2006 01:24:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9P1F9919529; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:15:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:15:09 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:13:41 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: build-improvements and hypertex pages -Cc: list > Recentny installation paths changed, so that hypertex is installed > in '$AXIOM/share/hypertex'. However, @@ -46070,33 +30166,11 @@ Cc: list this was fixed in --patch-50 on 20060814 (see CHANGELOG) -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXXd-0006qa-FZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:26:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXXc-0006oz-1l - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:26:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXXa-0006n1-P7 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:26:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXXa-0006mx-KE - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:26:46 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXXa-000841-Cf - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:26:46 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcXWd-00005h-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:25:47 +0200 -Subject: Re: GIT -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:25:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT Bill Page wrote: > On October 24, 2006 2:53 PM Jay Belanger wrote: @@ -46118,34 +30192,10 @@ in build-improvenents): one has to remove by hand '.svn' subdirectories, full Latex installation is needed. I fetched silver about two weeks ago, but 'svn update' tell me that it is still up to date... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXkd-0005aS-0G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:40:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXkc-0005ZN-70 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:40:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXkZ-0005Ux-Hj - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:40:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXkZ-0005Up-Aj - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:40:11 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXkZ-0001ix-8L - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:40:11 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcXjs-0000o4-00 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:39:28 +0200 -To: list +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:39:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Hypertex and constructors As few people noticed hypertex searches for constructors where @@ -46163,53 +30213,20 @@ contains references to 'comdb.text' but I am not sure is 'comdb.text' is actually used (I was able to find Nag routines both with and without 'comdb.text'). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXu7-0001tE-G5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:50:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXu6-0001t9-4o - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:50:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXu4-0001su-Hb - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:50:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXu4-0001sr-EM - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:50:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXu4-0002uL-FC - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:50:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD3F4F3B0; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:49:56 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9P1jt07015333; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:45:57 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9P1jtwt015332; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:45:55 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Latex hangs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 25 Oct 2006 03:45:55 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Latex hangs -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] | > Axiom is the only project I know of that has more SCM than | > active developers :-) -| >=20 -|=20 +| > +| | Hmmm... now who was that guy who insisted on adding svn to this | mix in this first place? :-) @@ -46225,36 +30242,11 @@ into such a mess as here). So, I suspect we have to make a list of people for whom either SF or Google SVN works and decide where we go from there. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXwT-0002tV-4a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXwR-0002tP-Sg - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXwQ-0002tD-BP - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXwQ-0002tA-8d - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:26 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.80] (helo=mail260.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXwQ-0003BO-C6 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:26 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail260.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9P1q1mI025479; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: GIT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:51:44 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: GIT On October 24, 2006 9:26 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -46303,45 +30295,11 @@ the whole repository at Google, including the build-improvements branch, should be identical to the SVN repository at SourceForge. If this is not the case, please let me know. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXwo-00034t-CL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXwm-00033d-CW - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcXwl-00033R-Uz - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcXwl-00033O-TT - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcXwl-0003Cn-W0 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:48 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119704F3C2; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:52:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9P1miMk015429; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:48:46 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9P1mihp015428; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:48:44 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 03:48:43 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: build-improvements and hypertex pages -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 03:48:43 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -46359,42 +30317,11 @@ update the README.build-improvements. Thanks for sneding a notice. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcYBz-0007KV-Jl - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:08:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcYBy-0007Jh-9H - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:08:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcYBv-0007Ic-J9 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:08:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcYBv-0007IN-8X - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:08:27 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcYBu-0005Rd-Q8 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:08:27 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272A24F3C0; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:08:24 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9P24N3t015642; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:04:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9P24NW0015641; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:04:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 04:04:23 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 04:04:23 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -46424,44 +30351,13 @@ Erring on the conservative side, I would be glad to review a patch that copy both libdb.text and comdb.text freshly built. The cached files should go away. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcYKT-0000jE-BQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:17:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcYKR-0000j1-UL - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:17:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcYKM-0000if-Ul - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:17:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcYKM-0000ic-P1 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:17:10 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcYJy-0006Gj-T9 - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:16:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C2D4F3DA; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:16:36 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9P2CZ2k015761; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:12:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9P2CZoQ015760; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:12:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Latex hangs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Oct 2006 04:12:35 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Latex hangs -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On October 24, 2006 3:33 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -46490,44 +30386,13 @@ need to cite a particular individual to support the case. I'm unimpressed by single update consisting of a big patch as a release. I'm of the opnion that Tim should update the Gold-to-be often. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcZ1F-0006yn-2X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcZ1D-0006yc-8Y - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcZ1B-0006yQ-JR - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcZ1B-0006yN-DQ - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcZ1A-0004CU-SO - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:01:25 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185CF40E4F; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:01:22 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9P2vLKh016307; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:57:23 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9P2vLsn016306; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:57:21 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: GIT -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Oct 2006 04:57:20 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -46581,42 +30446,11 @@ have even more interesting debates ;-) agreed. I believe anything else is a good recipe for more confusion. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcZJ9-00077L-PR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:19:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcZJ7-00076x-9n - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:19:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcZJ6-00076X-Ia - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:19:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcZJ6-00076T-EU - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:19:56 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcZJ6-00073g-9q - for list; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:19:56 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9P3JjfA032256 - for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:19:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 10938 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2006 03:19:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 25 Oct 2006 03:19:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9P3A9t19609; - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:10:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:10:09 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 25 Oct 2006 04:57:20 +0200) Subject: Re: GIT - -Cc: list currently gold exists in arch (axiom--main--1) and in the CVS on sourceforge and savannah. i had planned to keep the silver @@ -46638,45 +30472,15 @@ i generally do heavy testing before release but that takes several days, many machines, and careful checking which i cannot do except on the promised two-month intervals. - - - there seems to be a belief that i'm hiding patches or failing to put them on the web. almost every patch except adding people like Waldek and Frithjof to the credits list has been published. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gce2p-0004MX-IV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:23:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gce2n-0004LR-2O - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:23:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gce2l-0004Jl-12 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:23:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gce2k-0004JT-Fu - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:23:22 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gce2k-0000Sx-7R - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:23:22 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9P8NJ32019861 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:23:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:24:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list > I fetched silver from SourceForge. The last ChangeLog entry is from > 2006-09-14 (so it is somewhat old) and it has build problems (fixed @@ -46691,40 +30495,13 @@ and accept the offer of Bill to move your changes to sourceforge. How to move things from any other place back to Tim is another issue. But the mailing-list seemed to work up to now. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcgBU-0006PA-5d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:40:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcgBR-0006NO-HE - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:40:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcgBP-0006MI-H9 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:40:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcgBO-0006Lx-SW - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:40:26 -0400 -Received: from [66.196.97.60] (helo=web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcgBO-0003Rp-Rb - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:40:26 -0400 -Received: (qmail 19306 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2006 10:40:26 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=WI3ttjbCeO1LQ3lkfh3NpIvO9q66t8RAHYA6ZykWLrzPkmDMFaf6Kf8P6R3KiY31qVFkFiZBGfohd56pI43Hy07PMQQDOGbJnE8BJZJVKcGnPtkgpYMSmqT8ZJ860qgc51RV2WK0qVTSdpGMbdIjj0I1IHVm86gh3zHBdX/DBSw= - ; -Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:40:25 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:40:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: GIT To: Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > i've been unable to use SVN and could generate no interest in GIT. @@ -46759,46 +30536,11 @@ key developers are having with running it make it problematic. If everybody likes GIT that's great - I'll be glad to install it - but let's pick something and go with it. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcipx-00028V-Vj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcipu-00026P-Rn - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcipn-00022x-NG - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcipn-00022t-6X - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:19 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.185] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcipm-00007R-2e - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:18 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so853775nfa - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=RUkFm+DrgIHzWAplDdDNLaq2dP+zou/x4/T7fY23pGjSuSPZmz1OtlRsJcFKBsYZugbTzHY+d1ZtAiGdMg1/CAaWHyR+apG3T0bAHB44sq6h04HwBrL45qnWZgXoO1RgD1SRjXPipS0H0GkxL2eB/OxOESFG51QN1ZK6JNaRjtQ= -Received: by 10.82.124.10 with SMTP id w10mr128567buc; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:30:02 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: GIT - <453F1F2A.9060302@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list > You see, Tim applied patches to his Gold-to-be and now Silver is no > longer in sync with that. Tim, mirror your Gold-to-be branch publicly @@ -46812,36 +30554,11 @@ of the Google repository was to see if it was possible to be an alternative to sourceforge. However, Google is not been used to commit changes, so basically it has not been tested. -Alfredo - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcj3g-0003Bn-1X - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:44:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcj3e-0003AV-Ih - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:44:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcj3a-00036d-Q8 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:44:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcj3a-00036P-Ig - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:44:34 -0400 -Received: from [216.251.41.132] (helo=mail12c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcj3a-0002rZ-Io - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:44:34 -0400 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail12c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9PDiBAx018579; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:44:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: GIT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:43:47 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: GIT On October 25, 2006 5:18 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -46865,36 +30582,11 @@ SourceForge SVN /trunk would automatically receive the same changes. It would be possible to check out from either axiom--silver--1 or SourceForge SVN /trunk and get the same source code. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcjG4-00053A-W1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcjG3-00050E-Co - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcjFy-0004xo-Kw - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcjFx-0004xK-UF - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:22 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcjFx-0005hD-Tc - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:22 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcjF9-0003hJ-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:56:31 +0200 -Subject: Re: Latex hangs -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:56:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Latex hangs Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > So, I suspect we have to make a list of people for whom either SF or @@ -46905,40 +30597,11 @@ For me SF SVN works. I did only tiny commits and one of them failed (I had to redo it), so I am not sure how well will scale. Getting sources was slow, but updates are fast enough. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcjZS-0005Ou-5q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:17:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcjZQ-0005N1-1v - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:17:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcjZL-0005Lc-CA - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:17:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcjZL-0005LZ-6A - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:17:23 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcjZK-0000bn-Sj - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:17:23 -0400 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9PEHJ32030098 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:17:19 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list > If everyone agrees (and especially, Tim Daly agrees) then I would > delete the current SourceForge SVN /trunk and replace it with a @@ -46962,43 +30625,11 @@ Nice, could you then also update AxiomSources so that it becomes clear what is updated from where and at exactly which time. "Night" ist probably "daylight" in my place. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcjmx-0007Ny-5I - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcjmv-0007Ns-BN - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcjmq-0007Ng-F7 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcjmq-0007Nd-Bt - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:20 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcjmq-00031f-8d - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:20 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9PEUwuk001327 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:31:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14565 invoked from network); 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- Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:24:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:24:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke > > > > > tla get axiom--silver--1 @@ -47150,43 +30747,11 @@ Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke seems reasonable to me. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gck0O-0004e7-Br - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:45:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gck0M-0004bk-TG - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:45:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gck0I-0004WD-9t - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:45:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gck0I-0004Vz-28 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:45:14 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gck08-0005Sm-2l - for list; 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SVN feels like trying to arrange an international bank loan for $20. :-) -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckOM-0004w3-Ne - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckOK-0004uI-V6 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckOG-0004rj-Ij - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckOG-0004rg-Eb; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:00 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GckOF-0001nw-Sf; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:00 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GckOC-0000wE-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:09:56 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:09:55 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -47361,59 +30902,13 @@ Thanks! The one in the GCL sources should be fine. -Take care, - -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckP0-00058K-2e - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckOz-00058D-9V - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckOu-00057u-PJ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GckOu-00057b-JU - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GckOu-0001rT-Dq - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:10:40 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954A741096; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:10:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PF6Z3K030656; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:06:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PF6YHY030655; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:06:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:06:34 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: GIT - <200610251421.k9PELMb22030@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:06:34 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -47436,42 +30931,11 @@ people have hitted so many walls with SVN. However, watch out that the bazar model does not lead you into a bizarre project. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckTr-00030A-Dr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckTp-0002zo-Na - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GckTp-0002z5-1J - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GckTo-0002ys-Qy - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GckTo-0002Mr-ML - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:15:44 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A7B40FBE; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:15:42 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PFBdkZ031159; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:11:41 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PFBdkf031158; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:11:39 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:11:39 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Latex hangs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 17:11:39 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -47496,45 +30960,13 @@ update (not checkout) which is quite fast. Prior to out-of-source build support, I had to fake with lndir as I documented on the wiki. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GclM5-0005rZ-PC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:11:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GclM4-0005pb-43 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:11:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GclLz-0005kN-R0 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:11:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GclLz-0005k6-Da - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:11:43 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GclLy-0002QW-QJ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:11:43 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A474F4F3C9; 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If so, please try to package up changesets against gold and post them to the list for silver inclusion. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcnjl-0005lA-PG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:44:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcnjk-0005kb-2g - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:44:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcnji-0005jh-Ea - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:44:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcnji-0005jc-4X - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:44:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcnji-0001k9-3u - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:44:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A02F40F93; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:44:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PIeFlS010504; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:40:17 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PIeFYC010503; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:40:15 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 20:40:14 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors - <200610251718.k9PHIuo22149@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 20:40:14 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Waldek, Gaby, | @@ -48038,42 +31358,11 @@ happening as part of the experiment). Sure. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcnoA-0001BB-GU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:48:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcno9-0001Ar-6M - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:48:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcno7-00019o-Fw - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:48:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcno7-00019l-C4 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:48:55 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcno7-0002Ed-3U - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:48:55 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8E940F45; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:48:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PIinNM010674; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:44:51 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PIinf2010673; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:44:49 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 20:44:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 20:44:48 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -48122,42 +31411,11 @@ change should go to silver too; please send a corresponding patch for review (I appreciate some path changes on build-improvements are not reflected yet on silver). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcoZl-0001ba-0h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:38:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcoZi-0001Yh-Pi - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:38:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcoZh-0001WI-3x - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:38:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcoZh-0001WA-0d - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:38:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcoZg-0005Bd-UL - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:38:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B93340E35; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PJXxBN012602; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:34:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PJXxqH012601; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:33:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 25 Oct 2006 21:33:58 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 21:33:58 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -48173,42 +31431,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Given this, the file libdb.text should also be removed from the repo. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcoqs-0005cv-DQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:50 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcoqr-0005cj-AC - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcoqo-0005cA-J2 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcoqo-0005c7-EX - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcoqo-0007su-Dp - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:46 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C77036AD8D; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 07EC069A40; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:42 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:55:42 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb4QrFXqT+2l9XQQRStENWUlSJSEwAKvZYg From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Gaby, @@ -48247,14 +31475,14 @@ Bill Page. On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:24 AM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 -> > >=20 +> +> > > > > > > tla get axiom--silver--1 > > > ... > > > I hope it is not too hard for you to convince "tailor" to move > > > the patches from Tim to SourceForge. > > > ... -> >=20 +> > > Bill Page wrote: > > If everyone agrees (and especially, Tim Daly agrees) then I would > > delete the current SourceForge SVN /trunk and replace it with a @@ -48263,54 +31491,22 @@ On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:24 AM Tim Daly wrote: > > SourceForge and Google and between the build-improvement branch > > and it's experimental Mercurial and Darcs mirrors. (Actually > > SourceForge->Google uses the SVN-specific 'svk smerge' command -> > but the result is the same as Tailor between different=20 +> > but the result is the same as Tailor between different > repositories.) -> >=20 -> > This would mean that when Tim commits changesets to=20 +> > +> > This would mean that when Tim commits changesets to > > axiom--silver--1, SourceForge SVN /trunk would automatically > > receive the same changes. It would be possible to check out from > > either axiom--silver--1 or SourceForge SVN /trunk and get the > > same source code. ->=20 +> > seems reasonable to me. ->=20 -> t ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpCm-0004U6-02 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpCl-0004U1-4h - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpCj-0004Tl-H4 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcpCj-0004Ti-CH - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcpCj-0003Bo-5t - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8EACF6A30B; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 248B16971E; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT + +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:18:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb4cPu5q0WybE4xRZCiFTawFXF43AAANQ6w From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +Subject: RE: GIT Alfredo, @@ -48325,12 +31521,12 @@ tla axiom--silver--1 be *exactly* the same as the history of /trunk on SourceForge and Google. Regards, -Bill Page.=20 +Bill Page. On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:06 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: ->=20 +> > Hi Bill, ->=20 +> > > Since Tim has agreed to what I proposed below and no one > > else has disagreed, I would like to plan for this but I > > would appreciate your opinion first on how best to do it @@ -48339,49 +31535,16 @@ On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:06 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > > /trunk on SourceForge with one derived via Tailor from Tim's > > new axiom--silver--1 repository. And to set up a cronjob on > > axiom-developer.org to automatically update it each night. ->=20 +> > I think you should also ask Ben from Google... maybe he can > say if this is safe. ->=20 -> Regards, ->=20 -> Alfredo ->=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpDr-0004rq-5B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpDp-0004re-RO - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpDo-0004r7-0D - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcpDn-0004r4-Oy - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:31 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.103] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcpDn-0003He-L9 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:19:31 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401FA41099; 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- Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:25:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:25:43 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 25 Oct 2006 22:15:22 +0200) Subject: Re: GIT - -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill, @@ -48483,39 +31614,11 @@ fire up emacs, start a shell, do a diff -r --brief axiom--silver--1 sourceforge | grep -v svn | grep -v arch and you can see which files need to be copied. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpcu-0004WV-NH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:45:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpcs-0004Tk-Et - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:45:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpcq-0004T9-Kb - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:45:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcpcq-0004T5-GX - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:45:24 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcpcq-000712-9L - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:45:24 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9PKj332008325 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:45:12 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:45:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GIT - -Cc: list > | One way to do this would be to first of all delete /trunk > | from the repository and rebuild it from the current contents @@ -48553,52 +31656,21 @@ Just my meta thoughts. I don't know yet how exactly the commands would have to be, but I somehow feel that should be the easiest way with a minimal changeset. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpsc-0003uQ-Ug - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpsa-0003sg-ER - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcpsX-0003sT-CJ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcpsX-0003sQ-6z - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcpsW-0000kI-MP - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:36 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3BAB16B29E; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2E36E6B2BC; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:01:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb4doZwZWL7Jt9FTdGYmJ1d4GT+DwAADtqA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: GIT On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:46 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > Doing a delete via svnadmin... I don't think that's the right way. > I am also worried about this. -=20 -> ...=20 -> One problem with 'svn delete' applied to the trunk and then=20 + +> ... +> One problem with 'svn delete' applied to the trunk and then > recreation from new files is that you basically double the size > of the repository since all files from axiom--silver--1 will be > considered as new files. And that gives a huge changeset. @@ -48614,7 +31686,7 @@ rather using Tailor, I can recreate the actual revision history as well as the contents of axiom--silver--1 as an SVN repository with the same changeset history and associated metadata. ->=20 +> > Cannot you setup a local svk depot, import axiom--silver--1 > to it. @@ -48629,42 +31701,20 @@ that the history of the svn /trunk respository would be different than the history of the tla axiom--silver--1 archive. Maybe that's not so important. ->=20 -> Just my meta thoughts. I don't know yet how exactly the=20 +> +> Just my meta thoughts. I don't know yet how exactly the > commands would have to be, but I somehow feel that should be > the easiest way with a minimal changeset. ->=20 +> Yes, SVK seems to do this kind of thing quite well. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcq00-0005tA-PF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpzz-0005sx-6O - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcpzx-0005sY-Ci - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcpzx-0005sV-6A - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:17 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcpzw-0002MV-T2 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:17 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcpzA-0007nZ-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:08:28 +0200 -Subject: Re: GIT -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:08:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke > One way to do this would be to first of all delete /trunk > from the repository and rebuild it from the current contents @@ -48698,41 +31748,11 @@ changes into separate patches and apply and commit them separately. Anather thing are changes in current silver, but not in Tim's version -- I guess we just need to redo them. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcqDj-0000GC-1R - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcqDh-0000EX-CQ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcqDg-0000E4-RY - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcqDg-0000Dp-M7 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:28 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GcqDg-0003l3-FC - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:28 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9PLNF32009277 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:23:19 +0200 +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:24:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list First, I think we can agree that axiom--silver--1 is the master copy. (I haven't yet looked at it but it probably contains all the history @@ -48764,33 +31784,11 @@ creation which are also applied to axiom--silver--1. It seems not so straightforward if the history must be kept. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcqga-0006wG-5S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:53:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcqgX-0006tu-IW - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:53:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcqgV-0006rN-EE - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:53:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcqgU-0006qm-Of - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:53:14 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcqgU-0000AB-PW - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:53:14 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gcqfl-0002Dz-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:52:29 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:52:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -48814,51 +31812,19 @@ are unused (both in build-improvements and in silver). I think that all three files should be removed from the repo. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcqpb-0006LW-DT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcqpa-0006LO-Cl - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcqpZ-0006LC-JN - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcqpZ-0006L9-CT - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcqpY-00023p-Rh - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:37 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5C21F6B16B; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:36 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 2E0E86B0FD; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:02:32 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb4edozb3RueAVjSeGyn7P2ILhdqwABW8ng From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:08 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: Bill Page wrote: > > ... Is deleteing and re-creating /trunk a safe and sensible > > thing to do? ->=20 +> > I am not sure if it is safe, but I wonder if it has any > advantages (like preserving history) compared to other options. > @@ -48866,7 +31832,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: My plan was to delete the existing SVN /trunk and re-create it using the exact history of Tim's tla branch axiom--silver--1. ->=20 +> > AFAIUT if you throw out history that is easy (probably the > easiest way): run locally diff on two directory trees (use > '--exclude' option to exclude metadata) than apply resulting @@ -48874,7 +31840,7 @@ using the exact history of Tim's tla branch axiom--silver--1. > Yes. -=20 + > Slightly better way (but much more laboriuos) would be to split > Tim's changes into separate patches and apply and commit them > separately. @@ -48883,48 +31849,26 @@ That is exactly what the Tailor program does automatically - no extra labour involved. That is how Tailor manages to transfer the history from one kind of repository to another. ->=20 -> Another thing are changes in current silver, but not in Tim's=20 +> +> Another thing are changes in current silver, but not in Tim's > version -- I guess we just need to redo them. ->=20 +> Well, the procedure that we agreed on (I think) was the Tim would be solely responsible for committing changes to Silver -(axiom--silver-1 =3D=3D SVN /trunk). Tim's preferred way to do this +(axiom--silver-1 == SVN /trunk). Tim's preferred way to do this is entirely a manual process - send him patches and copy the axiom-developer list. Personally I think Tim's decision to do this a bit misguided in this day and age, but that is another topic that we discussed many months ago... "old dogs, new tricks", etc., no need to go into that again. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcr7t-0002OW-Q4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:21:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcr7s-0002NX-GJ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:21:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcr7q-0002Lz-TS - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:21:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcr7q-0002Lw-OM - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:21:30 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcr7q-00044h-Ek - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:21:30 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gcr70-0003mj-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:20:38 +0200 -Subject: Re: GIT -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:20:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill Page wrote: > Well, the procedure that we agreed on (I think) was the Tim @@ -48943,44 +31887,11 @@ have also extra patches from other people. IIRC Gaby agreed to maintain silver, to ensure that extra patches do not impose extra load on Tim. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrS7-00083S-Kq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrS6-00083N-Ry - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:26 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrS4-00083A-8a - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcrS4-000837-5j - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:24 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.103] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcrS4-00079y-6U - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:42:24 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B894F3D0; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:42:08 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PMcHNi017780; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:38:19 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PMcHHH017779; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:38:17 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:38:17 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:38:17 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -49010,37 +31921,11 @@ Tim, do ou know why there are two such things? I'm inclined to think so; input from Tim is much appreciated. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrTu-00008A-TZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:44:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrTs-000079-5L - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:44:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrTq-000069-EO - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:44:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrTq-000063-6l; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:44:14 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GcrTp-0007KA-7c; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:44:14 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GcrTI-00038f-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:43:40 -0400 +Date: 25 Oct 2006 18:43:40 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54mz7lyd05.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 25 Oct 2006 18:43:40 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! OK, should be optional now. Please let me know if not. @@ -49065,71 +31950,33 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > The reason is that there are packages, e.g. Axiom, that are only > interested in the GCL image not the documentation. They should be > given a chance to build and use the image. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrV7-0000PP-EC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:33 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrV5-0000OX-NV - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrV4-0000OJ-B4 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcrV4-0000OF-57 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:30 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcrV4-0007TA-56 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:30 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 788626A077; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:29 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BAD5269220; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:45:22 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb4g+w8vAuqhSmRRNGde6/jxfrAHAAAYKfQ From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Onednesday, October 25, 2006 6:21 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: > > Well, the procedure that we agreed on (I think) was the Tim > > would be solely responsible for committing changes to Silver -> > (axiom--silver-1 =3D=3D SVN /trunk). Tim's preferred way to do this +> > (axiom--silver-1 == SVN /trunk). Tim's preferred way to do this > > is entirely a manual process - send him patches and copy the > > axiom-developer list. Personally I think Tim's decision to do > > this a bit misguided in this day and age, but that is another > > topic that we discussed many months ago... "old dogs, new tricks", > > etc., no need to go into that again. :-) -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > My understanding was different: that Tim agreed to "publish" his > changes and make them available in silver, but the idea was to > have also extra patches from other people. IIRC Gaby agreed to > maintain silver, to ensure that extra patches do not impose -> extra load on Tim.=20 ->=20 +> extra load on Tim. +> I think we have to be *really* clear about this. Is this orkflow what you mean? @@ -49170,34 +32017,11 @@ Is that correct? I hope my ASCII art is readable. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcreY-0005tV-M0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:55:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcreX-0005s2-4s - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:55:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcreV-0005qM-EJ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:55:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcreV-0005q8-7b - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:55:15 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcreV-0008P4-4j - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:55:15 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gcrdh-0006Cm-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:54:25 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:54:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > This looks fine to me. Could say on which platform you built and @@ -49270,45 +32094,11 @@ for removal). @ \section{summary} - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcrmb-0006D3-HX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:03:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrmV-00067E-SR - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:03:31 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcrmT-00065L-3F - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:03:30 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcrmS-000658-LX - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:03:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcrmR-0001Ku-L0 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:03:27 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351F341062; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:03:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9PMxLl6018234; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:59:23 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9PMxL5l018233; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:59:21 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:59:21 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 00:59:21 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -49325,47 +32115,16 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: That is great! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcs2K-0001pd-LC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcs2J-0001mz-0V - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcs2G-0001jl-Pd - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcs2G-0001jV-JL - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:48 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcs2G-0004M5-7A - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:48 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 986106AE1A; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DEAB26AD61; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:19:40 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: Acb4R6achwSELTTgRK+NiETrKaEHUQAOzLVg From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Camm,=20 +Camm, On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:10 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > OK, will try to reactivate my sourceforge status. Something > changed over the summer. @@ -49373,7 +32132,7 @@ Yes, there were some problems with access to the compile farm. That seems to be fixed now. > In the meantime, here is what needs doing: ->=20 +> > ./configure --enable-debug && make > cd unixport > make raw_pre_gcl @@ -49385,8 +32144,8 @@ That seems to be fixed now. > (gdb) p q[u]->name > (gdb) p q[u]->section->name > (gdb) p q[u]->flags ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Thanks! > @@ -49395,7 +32154,7 @@ Here you go: --------- ppc-osx3:~/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre $ ./configure ---prefix=3D/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx --enable-locbfd +--prefix=/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx --enable-locbfd --disable-statsysbfd --enable-debug ... @@ -49464,13 +32223,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x20122000 0x548000 0x2dd000 r rwx (no zone) 0x825000 0x60000 rw rwx DefaultMallocZone --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 10 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1620 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 10 +SizeOfCmds = 1620 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x825000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0xb18 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -49551,13 +32310,13 @@ Breakpoint 1, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:65 & BSF_WEAK)) (gdb) p q[u]->name -$1 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +$1 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" (gdb) p q[u]->section->name -$2 =3D 0x114e74 "*UND*" +$2 = 0x114e74 "*UND*" (gdb) p q[u]->flags -$3 =3D 2 +$3 = 2 (gdb) c Continuing. @@ -49582,83 +32341,83 @@ Note I had to add (int) to: to avoid an error message about unknow return type. -> > > ...=20 +> > > ... > > > Come to think of it, there may be a problem like the following: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > On Linux systems, libc symbols are postpended with a @@ and > > > version number. Here is our code to deal with this (sfasli.c): > > > (my comments in ****) -> > >=20 -> > > for (u=3D0;u > > char *c=3DNULL; +> > > +> > > for (u=0;u > > char *c=NULL; > > > struct bfd_link_hash_entry *h; -> > >=20 +> > > > > > if (!*q[u]->name) > > > continue; > > > This is line 65: -> > > if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) &&=20 +> > > if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) && > > > !(q[u]->flags & BSF_WEAK)) > > > continue; > > > -Is value of flags=3D2 ok? What is BSF_WEAK? +Is value of flags=2 ok? What is BSF_WEAK? h/bfd.h:#define BSF_WEAK 0x80 -=20 + > > > *** the above might skip ___srget *** -> > >=20 +> > > It looks like it's gonna skip to me. Is that good or bad? Also it looks like there is no prepended @@ in q[u]->name. -> > > if ((c=3D(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { -> > > *c=3D0; -> > > if=20 -> > > (!(h=3Dbfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_TRU +> > > if ((c=(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { +> > > *c=0; +> > > if +> > > (!(h=bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_TRU > > > E,MY_BFD_TRUE,MY_BFD_TRUE))) > > > FEerror("Cannot make new hash entry",0); -> > > h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_new; -> > > } else if=20 -> > > =20 -> > > (!(h=3Dbfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_FAL +> > > h->type=bfd_link_hash_new; +> > > } else if +> > > +> > > (!(h=bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_FAL > > SE,MY_BFD_FALSE,MY_BFD_TRUE)) && -> > > =20 -> > > !(h=3Dbfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_TRUE +> > > +> > > !(h=bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_TRUE > > > ,MY_BFD_TRUE,MY_BFD_TRUE))) > > > FEerror("Cannot make new hash entry",0); -> > >=20 +> > > > > > *** There might be some other mangling than the @ for ___srget *** -> > >=20 -> > > if (h->type!=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined) { +> > > +> > > if (h->type!=bfd_link_hash_defined) { > > > if (!q[u]->section) -> > > FEerror("Symbol ~S is missing=20 +> > > FEerror("Symbol ~S is missing > > > section",1,make_simple_string(q[u]->name)); > > > if (!my_plt(q[u]->name,&pa)) { > > > /* printf("my_plt %s %p\n",q[u]->name,(void *)pa); */ -> > > if (q[u]->value && q[u]->value!=3Dpa) +> > > if (q[u]->value && q[u]->value!=pa) > > > FEerror("plt address mismatch", 0); > > > else -> > > q[u]->value=3Dpa; +> > > q[u]->value=pa; > > > } > > > if (q[u]->value) { -> > > h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; -> > > h->u.def.value=3Dq[u]->value+q[u]->section->vma; -> > > h->u.def.section=3Dq[u]->section; +> > > h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; +> > > h->u.def.value=q[u]->value+q[u]->section->vma; +> > > h->u.def.section=q[u]->section; > > > } > > > } -> > >=20 +> > > > > > if (c) { -> > > *c=3D'@'; -> > > c=3DNULL; +> > > *c='@'; +> > > c=NULL; > > > } > > > } -> > >=20 +> > > > > > This might be instructive with srget in place of cos: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > objdump -x /usr/lib/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/saved_gcl |grep cos > > > 0812f590 l F .text 0000015b number_cos > > > 00000000 F *UND* 00000026 cos@@GLIBC_2.0 @@ -49667,46 +32426,23 @@ Also it looks like there is no prepended @@ in q[u]->name. > > > 0812f6f0 g F .text 00000047 Lcos > > > 00000000 F *UND* 00000026 cosf@@GLIBC_2.0 > > > 08051200 F *UND* 00000075 acos@@GLIBC_2.0 -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > There is no objdump on this OSX 10.2 system. :-( -> >=20 +> > > > Shall I try to install GNU binutils? The version bundled with GCL > > or a newer one? ->=20 +> > The one in the GCL sources should be fine. ->=20 +> See next email. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcsGT-0003vX-PV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:34:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcsGR-0003s9-TA - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:34:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcsGO-0003mK-Mq - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:34:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcsGO-0003lz-Gt - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:34:24 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcsGO-0005qn-CC - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:34:24 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcsFJ-00086O-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:33:17 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:33:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: list +Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors I wrote: > I tested build-improvements on x86-64 Debian testing, using bundled @@ -49730,47 +32466,19 @@ I have checked that Makefile change has desired effect (newly built BTW. Also build on Sarge was not smooth: latex stopped on 'bookvol1.tex', but it was enough to press 'x' twice to restart. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gct7i-0006Ho-DX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gct7g-0006Hj-SZ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gct7f-0006Fp-2o - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gct7e-0006Fa-VR - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1Gct7f-0004gk-0n - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:27 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gct7e-0006sQ-4n - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:26 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gct3M-00044W-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:25:00 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -To: Waldek Hebisch +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:25:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: list +Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors > I wrote: > > I tested build-improvements on x86-64 Debian testing, using bundled > > noweb and gcl. Now, I also tested silver on 32-bit Debian sarge > > (x86-64 Debian testing is still working on silver). ->=20 +> > Unfortunatly, silver does not build on x86-64 Debian testing: ->=20 +> > 1 linking /var/tmp/hebisch/axp7/silver/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/viewman > gcc: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu > make[4]: *** [/var/tmp/hebisch/axp7/silver/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/viewman] B= @@ -49780,38 +32488,10 @@ Cc: list OK, after changing Makefile.pamphlet to eliminate error I was able to finish the build -- the change works as expected. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctF9-0001DD-H7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctF7-0001D7-No - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctF6-0001Cs-BU - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GctF6-0001Cp-5f - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GctF6-0007tk-6B - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:08 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GctF5-0007pM-7X - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:07 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GctEN-0004bo-00 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:36:23 +0200 -To: list +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:36:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Hypertex and pty I wanted to try hypertex in silver on Gentoo Linux. It turned out @@ -49827,44 +32507,11 @@ While I consider this machine as misconfigured, the problem may appear in real use. If we want Axiom to "just work" it should also try new method first and then fall back to legacy pty's. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctHJ-0002mb-0G - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctHH-0002kA-0n - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctHF-0002iA-Hb - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GctHF-0002hi-4o - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GctHF-0008Kp-4V - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274C841066; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:39:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9Q0ZEbc019759; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:35:16 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9Q0ZEnE019758; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:35:14 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 26 Oct 2006 02:35:14 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 02:35:14 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -49872,19 +32519,19 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: | > I tested build-improvements on x86-64 Debian testing, using bundled | > noweb and gcl. Now, I also tested silver on 32-bit Debian sarge | > (x86-64 Debian testing is still working on silver). -|=20 +| | Unfortunatly, silver does not build on x86-64 Debian testing: -|=20 +| | 1 linking /var/tmp/hebisch/axp7/silver/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/viewman | gcc: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu | make[4]: *** [/var/tmp/hebisch/axp7/silver/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/viewman] B= =B3=B1d 1 -|=20 +| | The error message says: "No such file or directory". x86-64 Debian | testing has X libraries in '/usr/bin', and apparently silver can not | handle this. -This is a known problem several people ran into.=20=20 +This is a known problem several people ran into. The issue is that the build machineries on silver and golden hardcode many things in the makefiles (in particular the path to X11 headers and @@ -49894,59 +32541,28 @@ brand is not special-cased and you're running something vaguely ressembling GNU/Linux, you get the Makefile for linux. Now, there everything is hardcoded based on some particular configuration (in particular 32-bit). Thus failure if you don't meet those unsopken -assumptions. The path to the X11 library on your=20 +assumptions. The path to the X11 library on your 64-bit system is most likely /usr/X11R6/lib64. The canonical solution to that sort of problem is to use the standard build tools, i.e. Autoconf. That is what the build-improvements branch does. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctKd-0004Hw-ER - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:51 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctKb-0004GW-Ur - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:49 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctKZ-0004AQ-2l - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GctKY-0004AC-N3 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:46 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GctKY-0000k8-Hi - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:46 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B37E26AC5C; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:45 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9A6C96A2B0; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:44 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:42:43 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: Acb4R6achwSELTTgRK+NiETrKaEHUQAOzLVgAAUEYqA= From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, See output of objdump as suggested below. -=20 + On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:10 AM you wrote: > ... -> > >=20 +> > > > > > This might be instructive with srget in place of cos: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > objdump -x /usr/lib/gcl-2.6.7/unixport/saved_gcl |grep cos > > > 0812f590 l F .text 0000015b number_cos > > > 00000000 F *UND* 00000026 cos@@GLIBC_2.0 @@ -49955,15 +32571,15 @@ On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:10 AM you wrote: > > > 0812f6f0 g F .text 00000047 Lcos > > > 00000000 F *UND* 00000026 cosf@@GLIBC_2.0 > > > 08051200 F *UND* 00000075 acos@@GLIBC_2.0 -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:20 PM I wrote: > ... > > See next email. ->=20 +> ppc-osx3:~/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre $ objdump -x unixport/saved_gcl | grep cos @@ -49971,9 +32587,9 @@ cos 00000000 d *UND* unexmacosx.c 0000db14 d *UND* unexmacosx.c 00000000 d *UND* -passwd:T(1,94)=3Ds40pw_name:(1,1),0,32;pw_passwd:(1,1),32,32;pw_uid:(1,95= +passwd:T(1,94)=s40pw_name:(1,1),0,32;pw_passwd:(1,1),32,32;pw_uid:(1,95= ) -=3D(1,96)=3D(1,65),64,32;pw_gid:(1,97)=3D(1,96),96,32;pw_change:(1,98)=3D= +=(1,96)=(1,65),64,32;pw_gid:(1,97)=(1,96),96,32;pw_change:(1,98)== (1,41), 128,32;pw_class:(1,1),160,32;pw_gecos:(1,1),192,32;pw_dir:(1,1),224,32;p w_shell:(1,1),256,32;pw_expire:(1,98),288,32;; @@ -49991,116 +32607,32 @@ srget 00000000 g *UND* ___srget ppc-osx3:~/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre $ - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctZi-0007bX-CO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctZg-0007XD-8M - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GctZe-0007U5-QE - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GctZe-0007To-KJ - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:22 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GctZe-0003bd-NU - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:22 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q0w95c016610 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:58:13 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6867 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 00:58:06 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 26 Oct 2006 00:58:06 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9Q0mSj22400; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:48:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:48:28 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:33:17 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -Cc: list Waldek, Could you latex bookvol1.tex and let me know why it stops? This file is a copy of the published tutorial. -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcthk-0002c5-SH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:06:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcthi-0002bj-5Y - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:06:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcthf-0002bX-L3 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:06:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcthf-0002bU-GL - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:06:39 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.104] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcthf-0005JP-3O - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:06:39 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8E24F3C2 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:06:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9Q12XPh020263 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:02:35 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9Q12X9D020262; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:02:33 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 26 Oct 2006 03:02:32 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: construc.lisp - Tim -- Is there a reason why construc.lisp is not loaded into debugsys? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctmt-0007zI-8N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:12:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctms-0007zD-1E - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:12:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctmr-0007ya-GR - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:12:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gctmr-0007yU-DR - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:12:01 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gctmr-0005qP-6a - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:12:01 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gctm4-0006bp-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:11:12 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors -To: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Hypertex and constructors > Waldek, > @@ -50113,82 +32645,24 @@ The problem is very simple: '\spadgraph' is defined both in is fixed in build-improvements (and I suppose also in your version). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctnx-0008NG-RB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:13:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctnv-0008NB-Vk - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:13:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctnu-0008Mz-Qp - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:13:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gctnu-0008Mw-NH - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:13:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gctnp-0005xB-Gw - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:13:06 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q1Cuc5013190 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:12:56 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20959 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 01:12:56 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 26 Oct 2006 01:12:56 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9Q13IR22413; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:03:18 -0400 +\start Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:03:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill, I did a checkout of the sourceforge SVN root. I'll diff the SVN vs axiom--silver--1 so nothing gets lost. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctvu-0004dP-EN - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctvt-0004cH-7G - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gctvq-0004Ze-Mj - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gctvq-0004Zb-Gd - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:18 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gctvq-0006dG-D1 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:21:18 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-45-90.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-45-90.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.199.90]) - by mwinf1909.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 604CF1C0009B; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:21:00 +0200 (CEST) -Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:20:16 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty -Le jeudi 26 octobre 2006 =E0 02:36 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > I wanted to try hypertex in silver on Gentoo Linux. It turned out > that I can not start sman, becouse 'ptyopen' was failing. Atfter > a little investigation I found out that the machine (which otherwise @@ -50197,86 +32671,30 @@ Le jeudi 26 octobre 2006 =E0 02:36 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > software worked fine, trying '/dev/ptmx' first and then silently > falling back to legacy pty's -- only Axiom assumed that Linux > must have working '/dev/ptmx'. ->=20 +> > While I consider this machine as misconfigured, the problem may > appear in real use. If we want Axiom to "just work" it should > also try new method first and then fall back to legacy pty's. ->=20 +> See http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/189GraphicsDoesNotWorkOnDebian - -Greg - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcu7o-0003jI-6b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:33:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcu7n-0003jC-80 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:33:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcu7m-0003ix-OY - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:33:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcu7m-0003iu-GH - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:33:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcu7m-00086h-G0 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:33:38 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9754140F09 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:33:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9Q1TVT8020632 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:29:34 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9Q1TVqm020631; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:29:31 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Oct 2006 03:29:31 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: postprop.lisp - Tim -- The source file postprop.lisp is compiled into depsys, but loaded in interpreted form in AXIOMsys. What is the reason for that? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcuFg-0000nW-9P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:41:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcuFe-0000lp-5B - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:41:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcuFb-0000kL-Uy - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:41:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcuFb-0000k7-In - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:41:43 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcuFb-0001Gm-Dx - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:41:43 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GcuEr-00084i-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:40:57 +0200 -Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:40:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: postprop.lisp > > Tim -- @@ -50287,44 +32705,11 @@ Cc: list AFAIK postprop.lisp is unused -- IMHO it should be removed. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcuXU-0006Aw-Rm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; 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Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:56:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 26 Oct 2006 03:56:02 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 03:56:02 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -50342,75 +32727,21 @@ It is compiled into depsys -- which is used to compile "old" Boot. functions that parse corresponding grammar production (i.e. to support the zipper parser). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcudB-0007gf-FC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:06:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcud9-0007gO-1j - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:06:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcud7-0007gB-Os - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:06:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcud7-0007g7-I4 - for list; 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And bootstrap with 'postprop.lisp' removed worked fine. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcvNl-0004sB-PJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:54:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcvNj-0004qu-C6 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:54:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcvNg-0004q0-OY - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:54:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcvNg-0004pu-Fb - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:54:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcvNf-0002Fp-Rn - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:54:08 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B84C40F09; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:54:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9Q2o07M021407; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:50:03 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9Q2o0bk021406; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:50:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 26 Oct 2006 04:50:00 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 04:50:00 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -50511,45 +32809,13 @@ First property.lisp gets loaded interpreted. Second, down the pipe, postprop.lisp gets compiled and loaded. If I understand you correctly, you say it is the the same data? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcvdE-0006C4-ID - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcvdD-0006BG-4f - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcvdA-0006AV-Am - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcvdA-0006AS-5c - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcvd9-0004nk-MG - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:07 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEB240E31; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:10:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9Q35xeL021565; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:06:01 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9Q35xWX021564; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:05:59 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Oct 2006 05:05:58 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: postprop.lisp - <200610260227.k9Q2RJE22474@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 05:05:58 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > > | > | > > | > Tim -- @@ -50587,43 +32853,11 @@ term. Rather, "redundant" or "duplicate" would be appropriate. Essentially, he is saying that property.lisp has the same definitions and take over postprop.lisp. I hve not run the "mental" diff yet. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcve9-0006kg-Nz - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:11:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcve8-0006jR-3z - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:11:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcve5-0006iF-Uv - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:11:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcve5-0006i7-QB - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:11:05 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcve5-000559-56 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:11:05 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q3AwiY020794 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:59 -0400 -Received: (qmail 23717 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 02:36:56 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 26 Oct 2006 02:36:56 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9Q2RJE22474; - Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:27:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:27:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:28:03 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -Cc: list > > | > > > | > Tim -- @@ -50656,42 +32890,11 @@ however, i take the most conservative approach and PROVE that each function removed CANNOT every be called. be aware that the compiler sometimes dynamically constructs function names. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcvqp-0008Cq-N9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:24:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcvqo-0008C9-C9 - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:24:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcvqn-0008BU-3m - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:24:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gcvqm-0008BR-Vr - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:24:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.104] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gcvqm-0006o7-SM - for list; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:24:13 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE44241027; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:24:09 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9Q3K6i0021667; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:20:08 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9Q3K62c021666; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:20:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 26 Oct 2006 05:20:05 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Oct 2006 05:20:05 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -50708,42 +32911,11 @@ Just for other people investigating this issue: postprop.lisp is on the list of autoloaded files for the "old parser"; property.lisp is not. (I don't claim that contradicts your findings). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcxle-0001Xc-N4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:27:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcxlc-0001XX-LH - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:27:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gcxla-0001XL-1P - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:26:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcxlZ-0001XI-SQ - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:26:57 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcxlZ-00070D-PO - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:26:57 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 247306B2BC; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:26:57 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 375696B50E; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:26:56 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: postprop.lisp Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:26:36 -0400 -Thread-Topic: postprop.lisp -Thread-Index: Acb4rlCXTE7dMNGeQq+/9+kxUn5cTwAD4KZA From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: postprop.lisp Gaby, @@ -50789,12 +32961,12 @@ diff -r b5dad223062a src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -1772,9 +1772,9 @@ awk -F: '{ awk -F: '{ - chunk=3Dsubstr($2,3,length($2)-5); + chunk=substr($2,3,length($2)-5); split(chunk,part," "); -- spadfile=3D"\${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; +- spadfile="\${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; - print spadfile": \$(srcdir)/"$1; - print "\t@\${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" \$(srcdir)/"$1">"spadfile; -+ spadfile=3D"${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; ++ spadfile="${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; + print spadfile": $(srcdir)/"$1; + print "\t@${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" $(srcdir)/"$1">"spadfile; print ""; @@ -50802,62 +32974,28 @@ diff -r b5dad223062a src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -1835,9 +1835,9 @@ awk -F: '{ awk -F: '{ - chunk=3Dsubstr($2,3,length($2)-5); + chunk=substr($2,3,length($2)-5); split(chunk,part," "); -- lspfile=3D"\${MID}/"part[1]; +- lspfile="\${MID}/"part[1]; - print lspfile": \$(srcdir)/"$1; - print "\t@\${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" \$(srcdir)/"$1">"lspfile; -+ lspfile=3D"${MID}/"part[1]; ++ lspfile="${MID}/"part[1]; + print lspfile": $(srcdir)/"$1; + print "\t@${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" $(srcdir)/"$1">"lspfile; print ""; }' ---------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcyhS-00008k-VJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcyhR-00007f-Q7 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GcyhO-00005K-Sx - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GcyhO-00005B-H6 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:42 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GcyhO-0007Yl-FK - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:42 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EE1D86B71E; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:41 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 83F8C6B6FF; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:26:37 -0400 -Thread-Topic: backslashes and awk -Thread-Index: Acb4rlCXTE7dMNGeQq+/9+kxUn5cTwAD4KZAAAJtMvA= From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: backslashes and awk Corrected subject line. Delete previous email. -----Original Message----- From: = -axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=3Dsynthesis.anikast.ca@nongnu.org +axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=synthesis.anikast.ca@nongnu.org o rg] On Behalf Of Page, Bill Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:27 AM @@ -50909,12 +33047,12 @@ diff -r b5dad223062a src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -1772,9 +1772,9 @@ awk -F: '{ awk -F: '{ - chunk=3Dsubstr($2,3,length($2)-5); + chunk=substr($2,3,length($2)-5); split(chunk,part," "); -- spadfile=3D"\${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; +- spadfile="\${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; - print spadfile": \$(srcdir)/"$1; - print "\t@\${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" \$(srcdir)/"$1">"spadfile; -+ spadfile=3D"${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; ++ spadfile="${MID}/"part[2]".spad"; + print spadfile": $(srcdir)/"$1; + print "\t@${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" $(srcdir)/"$1">"spadfile; print ""; @@ -50922,61 +33060,21 @@ diff -r b5dad223062a src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -1835,9 +1835,9 @@ awk -F: '{ awk -F: '{ - chunk=3Dsubstr($2,3,length($2)-5); + chunk=substr($2,3,length($2)-5); split(chunk,part," "); -- lspfile=3D"\${MID}/"part[1]; +- lspfile="\${MID}/"part[1]; - print lspfile": \$(srcdir)/"$1; - print "\t@\${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" \$(srcdir)/"$1">"lspfile; -+ lspfile=3D"${MID}/"part[1]; ++ lspfile="${MID}/"part[1]; + print lspfile": $(srcdir)/"$1; + print "\t@${TANGLE} -R\""chunk"\" $(srcdir)/"$1">"lspfile; print ""; }' ---------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - -_______________________________________________ -Axiom-developer mailing list -list -http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GczYA-0003tX-9y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:21:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GczY8-0003t2-4Z - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:21:12 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GczY6-0003sU-5d - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:21:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GczY5-0003sR-TJ - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:21:09 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GczY5-0007fT-BH - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:21:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 453966768E; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:20:42 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EC53166B0B; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:20:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:20:38 -0400 -Thread-Topic: build-improvement renamed files -Thread-Index: Acb4rlCXTE7dMNGeQq+/9+kxUn5cTwAD4KZAAAJtMvAAAdVS4A== From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: build-improvement renamed files Gaby, @@ -50996,34 +33094,11 @@ page@sage:~/axiom.build-improvements$ hg status src/hyper ? src/hyper/parse-types.pamphlet ? src/hyper/show-types.pamphlet -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd16A-00040q-0c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:00:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd165-00040B-FW - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:00:21 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd161-0003z7-S7 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:00:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd15z-0003ym-9N - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:00:16 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd15y-0006Oh-Ff - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:00:14 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gd151-0007Di-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:59:15 +0200 -Subject: Re: build-improvement renamed files -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:59:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvement renamed files Bill Page wrote: > Building the build-improvements branch tonight I noticed that the @@ -51064,37 +33139,13 @@ group.pamphlet mem.pamphlet So, I wonder if mercurial (or maybe Tailor) correctly tracks file renames. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd1ak-0005Bo-1O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:32:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd1aZ-00055N-2b - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:31:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd1aU-00050f-3t - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:31:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd1aS-0004zM-SF - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:31:44 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd1aS-00036l-8a - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:31:44 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gd1Zc-0008RU-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:30:52 +0200 -Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:30:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: postprop.lisp -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | > > | > > | > > | > Tim -- @@ -51151,52 +33202,18 @@ Cc: list 6) with postprop.lisp removed (also from autolaod list) axiom built fine. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd1jb-0006vg-3b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd1jV-0006rj-IA - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd1jU-0006qH-Sv - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd1jU-0006q2-AM - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd1jT-0004RY-MD - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0E2906B8EC; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id E71A76B7A0; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:41:00 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: build-improvement renamed files +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:40:57 -0400 -Thread-Topic: build-improvement renamed files -Thread-Index: Acb43S4cpQ+p6JL6QjSWr9vTOQ0G5gABPKew From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: build-improvement renamed files On Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:59 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: > > Building the build-improvements branch tonight I noticed that the > > following files still need to be renamed in the repository (svn mv): -> >=20 +> > > > page@sage:~/axiom.build-improvements$ hg status src/hyper > > ! src/hyper/form_ext.pamphlet > > ! src/hyper/parse_input.pamphlet @@ -51208,8 +33225,8 @@ On Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:59 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > ? src/hyper/parse-paste.pamphlet > > ? src/hyper/parse-types.pamphlet > > ? src/hyper/show-types.pamphlet -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > My copy (obtained via svn update from SourceForge) has: > $ ls axp6/build-improvements/src/hyper/ > addfile.pamphlet halloc.pamphlet pages @@ -51228,10 +33245,10 @@ On Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:59 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > extent.pamphlet Makefile.in token.pamphlet > form-ext.pamphlet Makefile.pamphlet viewports > group.pamphlet mem.pamphlet ->=20 +> > So, I wonder if mercurial (or maybe Tailor) correctly tracks > file renames. ->=20 +> You are right. I was looking at the Mercurial version of build-improvements. The commit that changed the file names @@ -51240,34 +33257,11 @@ does not reflect these changed names - although it does contain other changes. In Mercurial I can locally rename these files, so I think it is a problem with Tailor. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd6dj-0002rW-1Q - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:55:27 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd6dg-0002qc-FQ - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:55:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd6db-0002nO-MX - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:55:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd6db-0002nK-Ed - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:55:19 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd6da-0007LO-Pe - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:55:19 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gd6co-0006qq-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:54:30 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty -To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:54:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > Le jeudi 26 octobre 2006 ? 02:36 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : @@ -51279,14 +33273,14 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > > software worked fine, trying '/dev/ptmx' first and then silently > > falling back to legacy pty's -- only Axiom assumed that Linux > > must have working '/dev/ptmx'. -> >=20 +> > > > While I consider this machine as misconfigured, the problem may > > appear in real use. If we want Axiom to "just work" it should > > also try new method first and then fall back to legacy pty's. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > See http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/189GraphicsDoesNotWorkOnDebian ->=20 +> I see, I am not the first with this problem. Concerning the patch: while technically it seem to work (I tested a slight variation of it), @@ -51295,105 +33289,17 @@ it has many problems: 1) the patch duplicates code (my variation avoids duplication) 2) on Linux there is 'openpty' library function which is smart enough to try first '/dev/ptmx' and if needed fall back to - legacy pty's. 'openpty' also handles extra issues (like=20 + legacy pty's. 'openpty' also handles extra issues (like changing access rights to legacy pty's) -- we probably should use it. 3) in general 'openpty.c.pamphlet' is messy and the patch from wiki only adds to this mess ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd7n0-0002C8-Ov - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:09:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd7my-000294-EI - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:09:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd7mt-00021d-0A - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:09:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd7ms-00021D-IK - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:08:58 -0400 -Received: from [165.91.22.120] (helo=sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd7mq-00049L-Pj - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:08:58 -0400 -Received: from localhost (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52C9A0F9 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:08:55 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.66]) - by sr-4-int.cis.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B618B302 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:08:46 -0500 (CDT) -Received: from sun (sun.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.138.51]) - (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) - (No client certificate requested) - by hobbiton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7593382B95 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:08:46 -0500 (CDT) +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:08:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list - BOUNDARY="k9QER2PV000317.1161872861/pine.cs.tamu.edu" -Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details (fwd) - - This message is in MIME format. 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User unknown -<<< 503 valid RCPT command must precede DATA ---k9QER2PV000317.1161872861/pine.cs.tamu.edu - -Reporting-MTA: dns; pine.cs.tamu.edu -Arrival-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:08:07 -0500 (CDT) - -Final-Recipient: RFC822; axiom-develope@nongnu.org -Action: failed -Status: 5.1.1 -Remote-MTA: DNS; mx10.gnu.org -Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 unknown user -Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:27:41 -0500 (CDT) - ---k9QER2PV000317.1161872861/pine.cs.tamu.edu - -Return-Path: Gabriel Dos Reis -Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (soliton.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.33]) - by pine.cs.tamu.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9PL87St028533 - for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:08:07 -0500 (CDT) -Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) - id 02D9F1A9C8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:08:13 -0500 (CDT) -To: axiom-develope@nongnu.org Subject: [build-improvements] Partial simplification of src/interp/Makefile -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Oct 2006 16:08:12 -0500 - - -Hi, This patch abstracts over the individual rules to compile Boot codes in src/interp/ using bootsys (aka "new" Boot). @@ -53188,63 +35094,34 @@ Committed to build-improvements. --k9QER2PV000317.1161872861/pine.cs.tamu.edu-- - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd93e-00044w-9u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd93c-00042Q-7q - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gd93X-0003xA-Ud - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gd93X-0003wb-3W - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:15 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gd93W-0000ja-VG - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:15 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 561CD690BD; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 140A46B523; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" -Subject: RE: Hypertex and pty Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:10 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Hypertex and pty -Thread-Index: Acb5DtczFcQ8kPxBSvuwWZ+oUhEEugADZ28g From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Hypertex and pty Waldek, On Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:55 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > See http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/189GraphicsDoesNotWorkOnDebian -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I see, I am not the first with this problem. Concerning the patch: > while technically it seem to work (I tested a slight variation of > it), it has many problems: ->=20 +> > 1) the patch duplicates code (my variation avoids duplication) > 2) on Linux there is 'openpty' library function which is smart > enough to try first '/dev/ptmx' and if needed fall back to -> legacy pty's. 'openpty' also handles extra issues (like=20 +> legacy pty's. 'openpty' also handles extra issues (like > changing access rights to legacy pty's) -- we probably should > use it. > 3) in general 'openpty.c.pamphlet' is messy and the patch from > wiki only adds to this mess ->=20 +> I think is would be a worthwhile for someone knowledgeable (you?) to spend some time to improve openpty. Using the standard Linux @@ -53269,33 +35146,10 @@ My experience so far with Sage, which uses the Expect interface, is that Axiom's pty interface does not always do what one "expects" ... :) Maybe standardizing the pty interface will help. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdATx-0004gk-3F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdATv-0004g4-NZ - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdATv-0004fo-1S - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdATu-0004fd-L9 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:34 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdATu-0007Bt-3R - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:01:34 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdASP-0003zR-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:00:01 -0400 -To: Colin Turner -From: Camm Maguire Date: 26 Oct 2006 15:00:01 -0400 -Cc: list, 328480@bugs.debian.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Colin Turner Subject: Re: Bug#328480: axiom: Still seems to be a problem Greetings! @@ -53308,7 +35162,7 @@ identify anything there with something similar? Can you try asking at Take care, -Colin Turner writes: +Colin Turner writes: > Package: axiom > Followup-For: Bug #328480 @@ -53344,85 +35198,22 @@ Colin Turner writes: > ii axiom-source 20050901-6 A general purpose computer algebra > > -- no debconf information -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdApx-0000Ks-7b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdApv-0000J6-IR - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdApt-0000GW-NT - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdApt-0000GI-FH - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdApl-00023Y-K7 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9QJNwMt002401 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21607 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 19:23:58 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 26 Oct 2006 19:23:58 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9QJEH423212; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:14:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:14:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 26 Oct 2006 15:00:01 -0400) -Subject: re: Bug#328480: axiom: Still seems to be a - problem - <54k62mnbri.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, 328480@bugs.debian.org, c.turner@ulster.ac.uk +Subject: re: Bug#328480: axiom: Still seems to be a problem +Cc: Colin Turner I believe there was a reported issue with hyperdoc input. Check to see if you have num-lock enabled. -Tim - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBGL-0006VP-8L - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBGI-0006UO-Lj - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBGH-0006U0-UK - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBGG-0006TW-W0; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:33 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) - id 1GdBGG-0007Ex-Qu; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:33 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdBGE-0004E2-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:51:30 -0400 -To: Gregory Vanuxem -From: Camm Maguire Date: 26 Oct 2006 15:51:30 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , GCL List -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Greetings! This fixes it for me: @@ -53493,65 +35284,12 @@ Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > Unfortunately I had no time to investigate problem > > in more details. Maybe anybody has a good idea > > how to debug such peculiar situation? -> > -> > With best regards, -> > -> > Vadim -> > -> > -> > -- -> > Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Gcl-devel mailing list -> > Gcl-devel@gnu.org -> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel -> > -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Gcl-devel mailing list -> Gcl-devel@gnu.org -> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBad-0000A1-Bh - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:12:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBab-00009w-5V - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:12:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBaY-00009k-H2 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:12:31 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBaY-00009h-BX - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:12:30 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdBaY-0002dd-4i - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:12:30 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdBZj-0004U5-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:11:39 -0400 -To: Tom Hargreaves -From: Camm Maguire Date: 26 Oct 2006 16:11:39 -0400 -Cc: list, control@bugs.debian.org, 346552@bugs.debian.org -Subject: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom - can blow up catastrophically +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tom Hargreaves +Subject: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically forwarded 346552 thanks @@ -53562,7 +35300,7 @@ processing. Take care, -Tom Hargreaves writes: +Tom Hargreaves writes: > Package: axiom > Version: 20050901-4 @@ -53609,53 +35347,12 @@ Tom Hargreaves writes: > ii libreadline5 5.1-5 GNU readline and history libraries > > -- no debconf information -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBwW-00020I-Ek - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:35:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBwU-00020B-8p - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:35:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdBwP-0001vV-L3 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:35:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdBwP-0001vK-Bb - for list; 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Just wondering if this is the last axiom issue with 2.6.8pre outstanding. If not, what are the others? If more testing time is needed to answer this, how much more? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdEis-0007C0-MK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:33:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdEiq-0007Bh-OG - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:33:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdEip-0007BD-7n - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:33:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdEio-0007BA-Tz - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:33:14 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdEio-0002nH-S4 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:33:15 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdEht-0007Gd-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:32:17 +0200 -Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom - can blow up catastrophically -To: Tim Daly +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:32:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, hex@freezone.co.uk, - control@bugs.debian.org, 346552@bugs.debian.org +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Cc: Camm Maguire, Tom Hargreaves root wrote: > Camm, @@ -54248,51 +35790,18 @@ Reproducible (using build-improvements) both with and without clef. When AXIOMsys is run directly ^D exits it. When AXIOMsys is run via clef ^D\n exits it. With sman present Axiom crashes. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdFNW-00089M-Aj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:15:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdFNU-00086Y-L3 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:15:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdFNT-000833-0Z - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:15:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdFNS-00082u-R6 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:15:14 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdFNS-0000sK-L9 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:15:14 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F3A4F3EB; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:15:12 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9R0B4MM008907; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:11:06 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9R0B4Q7008906; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:11:04 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: [Fwd: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts] -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 27 Oct 2006 02:11:03 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: [Fwd: Typo in bookvol5 : clearCmdparts] Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello, -|=20 +| | It seems that this mail was forgotten. It's a typo in the code -| (bookvol5) so a real bug.=20 +| (bookvol5) so a real bug. Applied to build-improvements. @@ -54303,11 +35812,11 @@ Applied to build-improvements. *** bookvol5.pamphlet (revision 15149) --- bookvol5.pamphlet (local) -*************** importFromFrame args =3D=3D +*************** importFromFrame args == *** 4316,4322 **** (spadlet plist (getalist (caar fenv) v)) (cond - (plist=20 + (plist ! (|clearCmdparts| (cons '|propert| (cons v nil))) (do ((tmp5 plist (cdr tmp5)) (tmp6 nil)) ((or (atom tmp5) @@ -54315,48 +35824,17 @@ Applied to build-improvements. --- 4316,4322 ---- (spadlet plist (getalist (caar fenv) v)) (cond - (plist=20 + (plist ! (|clearCmdParts| (cons '|propert| (cons v nil))) (do ((tmp5 plist (cdr tmp5)) (tmp6 nil)) ((or (atom tmp5) (progn (setq tmp6 (car tmp5)) nil) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdFOU-0000Ku-G7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:16:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdFOT-0000Kh-1T - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:16:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdFOS-0000KL-Cx - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:16:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdFOS-0000KH-AB - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:16:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdFOS-00010T-0J - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:16:16 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1EC4F3B8; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:16:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9R0C6dt008925; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:12:08 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9R0C6Yh008924; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:12:06 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Camm Maguire - <54y7r27t4t.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Oct 2006 02:12:05 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , GCL List -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Camm Maguire writes: @@ -54404,40 +35882,11 @@ Applied to build-improvements branch. 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Just wondering if this is the last axiom issue with > 2.6.8pre outstanding. If not, what are the others? If more > testing time is needed to answer this, how much more? ->=20 +> I *am* currently fighting with another problem with the gcl-2.6.8pre build. When building gcl on an x86-64 Ubuntu @@ -54681,13 +36057,13 @@ email lists that this hack has caused some trouble in the past. echo $ac_n "checking emacs site lisp directory""... $ac_c" 1>&6 echo "configure:6251: checking emacs site lisp directory" >&5 -if [ "$EMACS_SITE_LISP" =3D "unknown" ] ; then - if [ "$EMACS" !=3D "" ] ; then - EMACS_SITE_LISP=3D`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l +if [ "$EMACS_SITE_LISP" = "unknown" ] ; then + if [ "$EMACS" != "" ] ; then + EMACS_SITE_LISP=`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l conftest.el 2>&1 | grep -v ^Warning: | sed -e /Loading/d | sed -e /load/d ` else - EMACS_SITE_LISP=3D"" + EMACS_SITE_LISP="" fi fi echo "$ac_t""$EMACS_SITE_LISP" 1>&6 @@ -54751,54 +36127,16 @@ EOF But then in .configure we can write something simple and reliable: - EMACS_SITE_LISP=3D`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l conftest.el 2>&1 = + EMACS_SITE_LISP=`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l conftest.el 2>&1 = | \ awk -F '' '/(.*)/ {print $2}'` -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdGZ1-000434-T1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdGZ0-00042R-If - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdGYz-00041s-Bc - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdGYz-00041n-2W - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:13 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdGYy-0003Ad-LO - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:12 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B114F3CC; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:31:10 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9R1R3TU010181; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:27:05 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9R1R3aX010180; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:27:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 03:27:02 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54mz7lyd05.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54slhckodf.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 03:27:02 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -54843,47 +36181,16 @@ info files there. That is not right. I'll be checking in a patch that removes that. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdGto-0007rL-Ut - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdGtm-0007qi-N5 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdGtl-0007qG-VT - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdGtl-0007q3-Ip - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:41 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdGtk-0007sq-S9 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:41 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1BBB767FEC; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:40 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id BF2C467B1B; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:38 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:52:37 -0400 -Thread-Topic: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: Acb5Uq2dgn/H13hATuC530OvFEhHDwAFzrzg From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, On Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:01 PM you asked: ->=20 +> > Greetings! Just wondering if this is the last axiom issue with > 2.6.8pre outstanding. If not, what are the others? If more testing > time is needed to answer this, how much more? @@ -54892,19 +36199,19 @@ On Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:01 PM you asked: Here is the debugging output you asked for in your previous email. On Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:41 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Please verify this by stepping through with n and this point. In > fact, if you can step from this point to the bottom of this for loop > iteration, and then ->=20 -> (gdb) p=20 +> +> (gdb) p > *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_FALSE,M Y_BFD_FALSE,MY_BFD_TRUE) ->=20 -> that would be most helpful. =20 ->=20 +> +> that would be most helpful. +> ---------=20 +-------- (gdb) cond 1 (int) strstr(q[u]->name,"srget") (gdb) c @@ -54918,17 +36225,17 @@ Breakpoint 1, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:65 65 if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) && !(q[u]->flags & BSF_WEAK)) (gdb) p q[u]->name -$1 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +$1 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" (gdb) p q[u]->section->name -$2 =3D 0x114e74 "*UND*" +$2 = 0x114e74 "*UND*" (gdb) p q[u]->flags -$3 =3D 2 +$3 = 2 (gdb) n -68 if ((c=3D(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { +68 if ((c=(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { (gdb) n 73 } else if (gdb) n -78 if (h->type!=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined) { +78 if (h->type!=bfd_link_hash_defined) { (gdb) n 79 if (!q[u]->section) (gdb) n @@ -54944,38 +36251,38 @@ No symbol "MY_BFD_FALSE" in current context. (gdb) p *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,0,0,MY_BFD_TRUE) No symbol "MY_BFD_TRUE" in current context. (gdb) p *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,0,0,1) -$4 =3D { - root =3D { - next =3D 0x0, - string =3D 0x76db28 "___srget", - hash =3D 163640344 +$4 = { + root = { + next = 0x0, + string = 0x76db28 "___srget", + hash = 163640344 }, - type =3D bfd_link_hash_undefined, - u =3D { - undef =3D { - next =3D 0x76db34, - abfd =3D 0x54a2f0, - weak =3D 0x0 + type = bfd_link_hash_undefined, + u = { + undef = { + next = 0x76db34, + abfd = 0x54a2f0, + weak = 0x0 }, - def =3D { - next =3D 0x76db34, - section =3D 0x54a2f0, - value =3D 0 + def = { + next = 0x76db34, + section = 0x54a2f0, + value = 0 }, - i =3D { - next =3D 0x76db34, - link =3D 0x54a2f0, - warning =3D 0x0 + i = { + next = 0x76db34, + link = 0x54a2f0, + warning = 0x0 }, - c =3D { - next =3D 0x76db34, - p =3D 0x54a2f0, - size =3D 0 + c = { + next = 0x76db34, + p = 0x54a2f0, + size = 0 } } } (gdb) n -58 for (u=3D0;u=20 +> > I *am* currently fighting with another problem with the > gcl-2.6.8pre build. When building gcl on an x86-64 Ubuntu > system, the following segment of the ./configure script fails > to create a valid value for EMACS_SITE_LISP. I see from the > email lists that this hack has caused some trouble in the past. -> ...=20 +> ... > It seems to me there ought to be a better way. > ... @@ -55056,16 +36331,16 @@ spkg/build/axiom4sage-0.1/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/configure echo $ac_n "checking emacs site lisp directory""... $ac_c" 1>&6 echo "configure:6251: checking emacs site lisp directory" >&5 - if [ "$EMACS_SITE_LISP" =3D "unknown" ] ; then - if [ "$EMACS" !=3D "" ] ; then -- EMACS_SITE_LISP=3D`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l + if [ "$EMACS_SITE_LISP" = "unknown" ] ; then + if [ "$EMACS" != "" ] ; then +- EMACS_SITE_LISP=`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l conftest.el 2>&1 | grep -v ^Warning: | sed -e /Loading/d | sed -e /load/d ` -+ EMACS_SITE_LISP=3D`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l ++ EMACS_SITE_LISP=`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l conftest.el 2>&1 | awk -F '' '/(.*)/ {print $2}' ` else - EMACS_SITE_LISP=3D"" + EMACS_SITE_LISP="" fi @@ -6267,13 +6267,13 @@ (setq file (expand-file-name "/default.el" (car tem)))) @@ -55077,58 +36352,24 @@ conftest.el 2>&1 | awk -F '' '/(.*)/ echo $ac_n "checking emacs default.el""... $ac_c" 1>&6 echo "configure:6275: checking emacs default.el" >&5 - if [ "$EMACS" !=3D "" ] ; then -- EMACS_DEFAULT_EL=3D`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l = + if [ "$EMACS" != "" ] ; then +- EMACS_DEFAULT_EL=`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l = conftest.el 2>&1 | sed -e /Loading/d | sed -e /load/d ` -+ EMACS_DEFAULT_EL=3D`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l = ++ EMACS_DEFAULT_EL=`$EMACS -q -batch --no-site-file -l = conftest.el 2>&1 | awk -F '' '/(.*)/ {print $2}' ` else - EMACS_DEFAULT_EL=3D"" + EMACS_DEFAULT_EL="" fi page@sage:~/sage-1.4.1.2-x86_64-Linux$ ----------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHNn-0007bZ-Vn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:23:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHNm-0007b8-Ml - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:23:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHNk-0007ZQ-3e - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:23:42 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdHNk-0007ZK-0a - for list; 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Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:25:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 04:25:52 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54mz7lyd05.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54slhckodf.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 04:25:52 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -55220,55 +36423,24 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: With the removal patch in, I'm able to a successful build GCL inside Axiom. Complete Axiom build is under way. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHZt-0005QU-TJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHZr-0005Pa-G8 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHZo-0005O8-SX - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdHZo-0005Ns-8a - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:08 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdHZn-0006ZF-MB - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:07 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id D017F683DF; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id EF825683D7; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:36:05 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Thread-Index: Acb5bvHfnq94dEGCRVK3KVEyjMhHlAAASuag From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 +Cc: Camm Maguire On Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:19 PM Gaby wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote: -> |=20 +> | > | page@sage:~/sage-1.4.1.2-x86_64-Linux$ diff -au > | ~/axiom.build/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/configure > | spkg/build/axiom4sage-0.1/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/configure ->=20 +> > I think you want to patch configure.in, not configure. ->=20 +> Yes, of course. However I do not have autoconf on the target system where I am now working. So a patch to configure.in is @@ -55276,44 +36448,12 @@ left as an "exercise for the reader" :-) On the other hand I do have makeinfo ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHvs-0003tJ-D1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:58:56 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHvr-0003sI-4d - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:58:55 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdHvq-0003r1-5G - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:58:54 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdHvp-0003qh-VP - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:58:53 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdHvp-0001su-Ty - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:58:54 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7B74F3CF; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:58:50 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9R2shOL011461; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:54:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9R2shwN011460; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:54:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 04:54:43 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 04:54:43 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire Bill Page writes: @@ -55337,44 +36477,11 @@ Bill Page writes: It looks like we're working on antipodal machines :-) :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdIoS-0002FP-LP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:55:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdIoQ-0002F4-UD - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:55:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdIoP-0002Ee-DI - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:55:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdIoP-0002Ea-73 - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:55:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdIoP-00026E-7D - for list; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:55:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R3t2Zw003285 - for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:55:06 -0400 -Received: (qmail 22987 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 03:55:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 27 Oct 2006 03:55:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9R3jOa08568; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:45:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:45:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 26 Oct 2006 19:01:16 -0400) Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54d58evg03.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm, @@ -55404,56 +36511,16 @@ directory. I'm now going to retry the build using gcl-2.6.8pre2 which is a slightly later version. If that fails I'll check out the HEAD and try that. -Tim - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdJ23-0000KQ-LP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:09:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdJ22-0000IQ-2D - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:09:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdJ1x-0000E5-HN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:09:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdJ1x-0000E2-AJ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:09:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdJ1w-0004ZI-WC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:09:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R492JS024074 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:09:11 -0400 -Received: (qmail 18178 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 04:09:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 27 Oct 2006 04:09:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9R3xP610721; - Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:59:25 -0400 +\start Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:59:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 26 Oct 2006 19:01:16 -0400) Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54d58evg03.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm, gcl-2.6.8pre2 fails exactly the same way on Fedora Core 5. - - - - - >rm raw_pre_gcl init_pre_gcl.lisp make[4]: Leaving directory '/root/silver3/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre/unixport' (cd lsp; touch *.lsp ; make all) @@ -55465,48 +36532,14 @@ gcc: gcl_arraylib.c: No such file or directory gcc: no input files cat: gcl_arraylib.data: No such file or directory - - gcc --version gcc (GCC) 4.1.0 20060304 (Red Hat 4.1.0-3) - - - -Tim - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMFD-0004Mz-JQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:35:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMFB-0004M6-B1 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:35:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMFA-0004Ls-C6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:35:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdMFA-0004Lp-1Y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:35:08 -0400 -Received: from [213.219.212.3] (helo=mail.netorn.ru) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdMF9-00046L-Rk - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:35:08 -0400 -Received: from [172.26.6.57] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) - by mail.netorn.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) - (envelope-from ) id 1GdMF7-000A5z-1G - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:05 +0400 - virus records: 138332, updated: 21.10.2006] Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:34:50 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov -To: Axiom-Developer - <54y7r27t4t.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom +To: list +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Camm Maguire writes: > sockio.lisp.pamphlet: @@ -55524,46 +36557,10 @@ Camm Maguire writes: Works for me. Thank you Camm! - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMQ4-0001Dc-6P - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:46:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMQ3-0001DU-Iv - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:46:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMQ1-0001DI-05 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:46:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdMQ0-0001DF-Os - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:46:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdMQ0-0005lu-Kx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:46:20 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdMPu-0000oq-6E; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:46:14 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdMPu-0000JP-51; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:46:14 +0200 -To: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke -From: Martin Rubey +\start Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:46:21 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Patch for SPADEDIT Dear Tim, Gaby, @@ -55628,55 +36625,13 @@ but really, it will likely be easier to switch to allprose anyway. I cannot really imagine that there are people not using emacs ;-) - - - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMfA-0004qH-6j - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:02:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMf8-0004q7-Od - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdMf4-0004pc-3d - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdMf3-0004pZ-Qj - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdMf3-0007NX-95 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 073C5685E6; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 31C67685DA; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:01:52 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom4sage-0.1.spkg axiom as a Sage package -Thread-Index: Acb5naHKZ8JbuelsTCaYw3exBBjVKgAAGBVQ From: Bill Page -To: -Cc: +To: list Subject: FW: axiom4sage-0.1.spkg axiom as a Sage package -=20 - -----Original Message----- -From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page]=20 -Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:58 AM -To: William Stein -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com; Bill Page -Subject: axiom4sage-0.1.spkg axiom as a Sage package William, @@ -55698,7 +36653,7 @@ After installation Axiom can be accessed in Sage in a manner very similar to Maxima. E.g. - sage: p =3D axiom( '(2*x-1)::POLY ZMOD(3)' ) + sage: p = axiom( '(2*x-1)::POLY ZMOD(3)' ) sage: p.type() Polynomial IntegerMod 3 sage: p^2 @@ -55723,56 +36678,16 @@ now!) build on OSX. I would very much appreciate reports of success or failure of installations on other systems. -Regards, -Bill Page. - -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdN0A-0007Dr-VC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdN08-0007CH-8U - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdN04-0007AK-BA - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdN03-0007A7-Sj - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:35 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdN03-0001zg-LP - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F30FB65311 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:34 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 75C9C68587 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:33 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:23:33 -0400 -Thread-Topic: axiom4sage-0.1.spkg axiom as a Sage package -Thread-Index: Acb5n6Us8JPi6FpyQBSmn07H6PnYBAAAWR1A From: Bill Page -To: +To: list Subject: FW: axiom4sage-0.1.spkg axiom as a Sage package -=20 - -----Original Message----- -From: William Stein [mailto:wstein@gmail.com]=20 -Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:12 AM -To: Bill Page -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: Re: axiom4sage-0.1.spkg axiom as a Sage package +From: William Stein [mailto:William Stein] -On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:57:59 -0500, Bill Page =20 +On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:57:59 -0500, Bill Page Bill Page wrote: > William, @@ -55811,40 +36726,18 @@ soon people will be able to more easily build Axiom on many machines. > At this time the axiom4sage-0.1 package is only known to install > successfully on the Sage server (Ubuntu linux) and on the Axiom server > (Redhat 9 linux). I am currently working with Camm Maquire, the lead -> developer for GCL, to ensure that GCL and Axiom will also (real soon =20 +> developer for GCL, to ensure that GCL and Axiom will also (real soon > now!) build on OSX. I'm eagerly awaiting this. And building GCL on OS X would be nice, because then SAGE would have the option to use gcl instead of clisp for Maxima, if need be. -William - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdNp5-0001D9-8y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:16:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdNp0-0001B9-Bn - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:16:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdNox-00018C-IK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:16:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNov-00017i-R7 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:16:10 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdNov-0001HP-1Y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:16:09 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdNoB-0005oR-00 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:23 +0200 -Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty -To: list Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty I wrote: > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: @@ -55857,28 +36750,28 @@ I wrote: > > > software worked fine, trying '/dev/ptmx' first and then silently > > > falling back to legacy pty's -- only Axiom assumed that Linux > > > must have working '/dev/ptmx'. -> > >=20 +> > > > > > While I consider this machine as misconfigured, the problem may > > > appear in real use. If we want Axiom to "just work" it should > > > also try new method first and then fall back to legacy pty's. -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > See http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/189GraphicsDoesNotWorkOnDebian -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I see, I am not the first with this problem. Concerning the patch: > while technically it seem to work (I tested a slight variation of it), > it has many problems: ->=20 +> > 1) the patch duplicates code (my variation avoids duplication) > 2) on Linux there is 'openpty' library function which is smart > enough to try first '/dev/ptmx' and if needed fall back to -> legacy pty's. 'openpty' also handles extra issues (like=20 +> legacy pty's. 'openpty' also handles extra issues (like > changing access rights to legacy pty's) -- we probably should > use it. > 3) in general 'openpty.c.pamphlet' is messy and the patch from > wiki only adds to this mess ->=20 +> Using BSD method on Linux is no go (I wonder if BSD method still works on BSD) -- first time it worked, but second time I got @@ -55893,48 +36786,17 @@ needed. openpty call works, but there is a Makefile/configure problem: openpty is in libutil, so we need to link in additional library. -For tests I added it from command line using 'make LDF=3D-lutil', +For tests I added it from command line using 'make LDF=-lutil', but for serious use we need a configure test. Gaby, is LDF the right variable to set or do we need extra one? ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdNpt-0001Vq-Iu - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:17:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdNpr-0001Ue-Iv - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:17:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdNpp-0001TT-S2 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:17:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdNpo-0001TK-Rm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:17:05 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdNpo-0001Pg-JI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:17:04 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdNpm-0003lG-Ld; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:17:02 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdNpm-00014j-Gc; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:17:02 +0200 +\start +Date: 27 Oct 2006 11:17:11 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 11:17:11 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey writes: @@ -55942,51 +36804,20 @@ Martin Rubey writes: there is now a better patch on Mathaction, issue #144, that also fixes #5. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdO1p-0005IZ-Jr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdO1n-0005IT-Md - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdO1m-0005IH-3M - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdO1l-0005IE-Sr - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdO1l-0002mg-P3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 393246872A; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:25 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id DE45368337; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:23 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:29:22 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb4m+r+XJxfHoB5TwaSelAqJFVr0gBC62jw From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Tim, On Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:03 PM you wrote: ->=20 +> > I did a checkout of the sourceforge SVN root. > I'll diff the SVN vs axiom--silver--1 so nothing gets lost. ->=20 +> Ok. After a little messing things up, I think I now have a working automatic procedure to update the SVN silver repository @@ -56019,41 +36850,12 @@ when they no longer serve any purpose. Let me know what you think of this arrangement. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdPda-0003jE-Pn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:12:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdPdZ-0003it-Bl - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:12:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdPdU-0003iA-CT - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:12:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdPdU-0003i7-86 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:12:28 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdPdT-00052p-WB - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:12:28 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9RBCJ32006615 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:12:19 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:13:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > We could also display the dvi, but then src/scripts/document would > have to call latex with "-src-specials" or, if that is not available, @@ -56089,42 +36891,12 @@ seems to be interested anyway. So why invest time? Wow, then some people must be really brilliant to be able to create a .doc or .sxw documents in Emacs. I couldn't do that. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdQ4k-0001hS-EP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:40:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdQ4i-0001cJ-Hl - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:40:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdQ4d-0001Sl-Es - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:40:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdQ4d-0001SJ-8C - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:40:31 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdQ4c-0000ek-No - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:40:31 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdQ4a-0005m3-Bn; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:40:28 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdQ4a-0005R2-8E; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:40:28 +0200 -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <4541E9DB.4070404@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Oct 2006 13:40:38 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -56133,7 +36905,7 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: > > call latex with "-src-specials" or, if that is not available, we would = have > > to include the file srcltx in every pamphlet. ->=20 +> > Would it be an option to say \usepackage{srcltx} in axiom.sty? srcltx.st= y is > public domain software. @@ -56155,7 +36927,7 @@ kdvi > > won't mind for forward search (i.e., when clicking on INT.spad in Hyper= Doc > > the correct line will appear), -=20 + > I don't quite understand. If you want to jump from INT.spad to the > corresponding line in the .dvi file then the line information should be in > INT.spad. Note that INT.spad.pamphlet is the source. @@ -56172,7 +36944,7 @@ Note that kdvi file:Makefile.dvi#src:795Makefile -or=20 +or kdvi file:Makefile.dvi#src:795 @@ -56182,7 +36954,7 @@ example, Makefile.tex, Makefile.toc, etc.) in the dvi... > > but inverse search, (i.e., clicking in the dvi file to display the sour= ce) > > won't work. ->=20 +> > Right. I don't know -source-specials but rather just -src (maybe it's the > same), @@ -56190,9 +36962,9 @@ yes, it should be the same. > but it won't work, because it generates sources-specials to .tex files and > not to .pamplet files. ->=20 +> > > Maybe Ralf has a solution for that problem, ->=20 +> > Yep. Just a small patch to srcltx.sty and you can have xdvi jumping to the > .pamplet instead of .tex file. All explained in ALLPROSE. @@ -56209,44 +36981,15 @@ think, as author you should be prepared to answer questions even if you gave the answer in your article, even if you answered them already a million tim= es. - - Martin PS: please note the update to my shell script at Mathaction - issue #144 - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdQbI-0006Bw-54 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:14:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdQbF-0006AM-SB - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:14:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdQbB-00066a-0D - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:14:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdQbA-000663-G2 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:14:08 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdQb9-00081f-Ei - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:14:07 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9RCE132008619 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:14:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:15:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q1wouasw9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT > Well, I just checked. A dvi generated with -src-specials does *not* @@ -56287,42 +37030,11 @@ that there is not yet enough interest in this documentation format business. Axiom-developers seem to be happy with what is there now. No big complaints so far. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdRNu-0001y2-9z - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:04:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdRNs-0001wR-6r - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:04:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdRNl-0001s8-87 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:04:27 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdRNl-0001ry-4a - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:04:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdRNk-0000O0-Kb - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:04:20 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9F24109B; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:04:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RD09ax019366; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:00:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RD09CH019365; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:00:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 15:00:08 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Hypertex and pty -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 15:00:08 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -56332,33 +37044,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: No, it will soon be gone. See how I handled X11. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdRSP-0000Hh-6u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:09:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdRSN-0000HK-CX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:09:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdRSI-0000GD-Nf - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:09:06 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdRSI-0000G4-KH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:09:02 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdRSI-00017j-59 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:09:02 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdRRL-0005TV-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:08:03 +0200 -Subject: Re: GIT -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:08:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke > Tim, > @@ -56414,86 +37105,28 @@ where ../axiom1/silver/axiom/ contains current SourceForge trunk and silver2 freshly checked out /silver. That gave me 1081 lines of differences. 201 lines are messages about .arch-ids subdirectories. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdS7I-0007MI-9a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdS7H-0007Lt-3V - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdS7B-0007Jn-PX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdS7B-0007Ji-J3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:17 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdS7B-0000Jc-Lg - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:17 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdS6M-0007Rv-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:50:26 -0400 -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Bug#328480: Re: Bug#328480: axiom: Still seems - to be a problem - <54k62mnbri.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200610261914.k9QJEH423212@localhost.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire +\start Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:50:26 -0400 -Cc: list, c.turner@ulster.ac.uk, 328480@bugs.debian.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Bug#328480: Re: Bug#328480: axiom: Still seems to be a problem +Cc: Colin Turner Greetings! num-lock does not appear to affect anything. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I believe there was a reported issue with hyperdoc input. > Check to see if you have num-lock enabled. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdS84-0007gp-UF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:52:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdS83-0007gF-54 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:52:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdS7x-0007eV-Ho - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:52:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdS7x-0007eQ-35 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:52:05 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdS7x-0000Tu-5b - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:52:05 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdS7Q-0007S4-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:32 -0400 -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom - can blow up catastrophically -From: Camm Maguire Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:51:32 -0400 -Cc: list, 346552@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org, - hex@freezone.co.uk +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Cc: Tom Hargreaves Greetings, and thanks! @@ -56522,58 +37155,18 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > Reproducible (using build-improvements) both with and without clef. > When AXIOMsys is run directly ^D exits it. When AXIOMsys is run via > clef ^D\n exits it. With sman present Axiom crashes. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSFc-0004S0-GX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:00:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSFa-0004ON-GC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSFV-0004K9-Rd - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdSFV-0004K4-Kq - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdSFV-0001yl-G7 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:53 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 5B931688A4; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6F09E688CF; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:43 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT + +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:57:02 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb5yRZo3xA3Gh2PRZ6MfIOzo4w0MAAAW14g From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On Friday, October 27, 2006 9:08 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > The reason I decided to leave /trunk was that in fact there > > are quite a large number of changes from /trunk to your new > > /silver and resolving these differences will take some time. @@ -56585,8 +37178,8 @@ On Friday, October 27, 2006 9:08 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > the automatic update will gradually make the twi roots more > > nearly identical. Eventually we can remove one or the other > > when they no longer serve any purpose. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I have fetsche /silver from SourceForge. I do not understand > why you write about big differences. The biggest difference is > that /silver contains .arch-ids subdirectories. @@ -56612,17 +37205,17 @@ I think that was only a temporary note left by Tim duing is last failed svn update attempts. I can probably be deleted after we verify that the issues have been addressed. -> Also, /trunk has added ChangeLog to some subdirectories.=20 +> Also, /trunk has added ChangeLog to some subdirectories. > Maybe we need to discuss this ChangeLog policy. At one point Gaby started adding per directory ChangeLogs, but Tim has only every used one central log. -=20 ->=20 + +> > BTW: I run: ->=20 -> diff -ru --exclude=3D.svn ../axiom1/silver/axiom/ silver2 >=20 +> +> diff -ru --exclude=.svn ../axiom1/silver/axiom/ silver2 > > s_s2.diff 2>&1 > @@ -56630,12 +37223,12 @@ Rather than just excluding the administrative files, I think we should find methods to eliminate everything that is not absolutely required by the actuall source code system currently controling the source. -=20 + > where ../axiom1/silver/axiom/ contains current SourceForge > trunk and silver2 freshly checked out /silver. That gave me > 1081 lines of differences. 201 lines are messages about > .arch-ids subdirectories. ->=20 +> Thanks. @@ -56650,41 +37243,11 @@ properly and automatically from axiom--silver--1 into /silver and manually from /silver back to Tim as I suggested in a previous email. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSGl-0006H5-Ap - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSGj-0006DC-SH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSGj-0006Bb-5s - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdSGj-0006BD-1y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:09 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdSGi-0002Pg-Dx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:08 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdSGf-0007WC-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:05 -0400 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 10:01:05 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54r6x51qqw.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54mz7lyd05.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54slhckodf.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 27 Oct 2006 10:01:05 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Thanks! I'll be doing likewise in cvs head. @@ -56734,48 +37297,16 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > fi > > I'll be checking in a patch that removes that. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSKf-0004kY-Tj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:05:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSKd-0004jp-Ki - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:05:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSKb-0004i0-Tx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:05:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdSKb-0004hc-Kw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:05:09 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdSKb-0003Ad-7c - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:05:09 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdSKY-0007Xd-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:05:06 -0400 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 10:05:06 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Tim Daly Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 - <54d58evg03.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200610270345.k9R3jOa08568@localhost.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 27 Oct 2006 10:05:06 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -56829,54 +37360,15 @@ yet ready for production. The former is a bugfix only point release agains tthe stable 2.6.7. So please be sure to add -r Version_2_6_8pre to your cvs checkouts. -Take care, - - -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSQN-0000OB-CB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:11:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSQM-0000NY-7P - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:11:06 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSQJ-0000Mf-Nm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:11:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdSQJ-0000Mc-Hj - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:11:03 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdRp1-0005CC-6k - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:32:31 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdRox-0007MM-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:32:27 -0400 -To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom - <54y7r27t4t.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200610262037.k9QKbVf23282@localhost.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:32:27 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom Greetings! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > > Separately, The hypertex ptyopen area on Debian is solved by > > @@ -56901,53 +37393,11 @@ I think the original poster complained of problems in a chroot. Without the second, the first mount will not solve the problem in a chroot environment. -Take care, - -> t -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSk2-0003Jy-Fr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:31:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSk0-0003JE-DD - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:31:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSjv-0003Hz-M6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:31:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdSjv-0003Hw-Fs - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:31:19 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdSju-0007nr-Nq - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:31:19 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdSjr-0004XW-8P; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:15 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdSjr-0001Z1-7U; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:15 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:31:24 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:31:24 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, Gaby, @@ -56963,7 +37413,7 @@ Martin Waldek Hebisch writes: > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> > root Tim Daly writes: +> > Tim Daly writes: > > > > | do a symbolic link from libreadline.so.4 to libreadline.so > > @@ -56999,70 +37449,29 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > which on one of Debian machines found '/lib/libreadline.so.4' > (this one is from compat package and should work fine, but > something more strange may cause troubles). -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSpP-0005GF-DI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSpN-0005FU-A8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:57 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdSpJ-0005D8-Ak - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:56 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdSpI-0005Cs-SY - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:53 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdSpI-0000II-Pt - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:52 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3719F68915; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C5BF2688A3; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:48 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting - axiomcan blow up catastrophically Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:45 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting - axiomcan blow up catastrophically -Thread-Index: Acb5zyK58+AAfJxLRkW7OcG7u2VL9AAAQwyw From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, hex@freezone.co.uk, control@bugs.debian.org, - 346552@bugs.debian.org +Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Cc: Tom Hargreaves On Friday, October 27, 2006 9:52 AM Camm Maguire wrote: ->=20 +> > Can anyone see what this might suggest in the sman code? ->=20 +> > Waldek Hebisch writes: > -> Tim Daly wrote:=20 -> > >=20 +> Tim Daly wrote: +> > > > > > try starting axiom with -> > >=20 +> > > > > > axiom -noclef -> > >=20 +> > > > > > and see if the problem still happens. -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > Reproducible (using build-improvements) both with and without > > clef. @@ -57076,10 +37485,10 @@ looks like this: . . ./ \ . . / . \ . . \/ . \/ - graphics=3D=3D=3D=3DAXIOMsys =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D hyperdoc + graphics====AXIOMsys ===== hyperdoc /\ -where =3D=3D=3D=3D represents a unix socket and \/ represents +where ==== represents a unix socket and \/ represents serial pty and . . . is a sub-process. Right? @@ -57097,7 +37506,7 @@ this: . . clef . \ . . /\ . \ . . \/ . \/ - graphics=3D=3D=3D=3DAXIOMsys =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D hyperdoc + graphics====AXIOMsys ========= hyperdoc > > When AXIOMsys is run directly ^D exits it. @@ -57128,44 +37537,11 @@ setting up sockets etc. Any help understanding this would be great. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdT6T-0008Ho-NU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:54:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdT6R-0008FT-CE - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:54:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdT6O-0008BE-E1 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:54:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdT6O-0008Ay-4p - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:54:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdT6O-0002sc-5A - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:54:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012FA4119D; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9REoK8V021540; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:50:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9REoKjj021539; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:50:20 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:50:20 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: yet another problem with dependencies - <9qzmbh3k5f.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:50:20 +0200 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -57180,43 +37556,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: Please don't be. I'm glad to hear the build is now working for you. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTA5-0005et-IL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:58:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTA3-0005cJ-LL - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:58:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTA1-0005YH-3a - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:58:19 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTA0-0005Y3-Tx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:58:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTA0-0003Du-WE - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:58:17 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C703F40F93; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:58:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9REs5Al021678; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9REs5jM021677; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:05 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:54:05 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Patch for SPADEDIT - <4541E9DB.4070404@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 16:54:05 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -57239,43 +37583,12 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: My inclination would be: just fire up $EDITOR on the _installed_ source (or if $EDITOR is not set, fire up vi). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTCM-0007zk-O0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:00:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTCL-0007vt-8j - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:00:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTCG-0007gp-Ar - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:00:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTCG-0007gb-4r - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:00:36 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTCD-0003Vf-V0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:00:35 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RF0DKJ025639 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:00:17 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7203 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:00:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 15:00:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9REofm24492; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:50:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:50:41 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list - (Bill Page) -Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: patches and fixes +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke There are a fair number of things "fixed" and a discussion of "fixes" but there aren't any patches posted. @@ -57285,9 +37598,6 @@ the mailing list against the gold branch using diff -Naur goldpamphlet newpamphlet - - - I mention this because I can see a problem developing. Gaby originally set out to make a global change to axiom for autotools. This was the stated intention of the build-improvements branch. @@ -57312,43 +37622,11 @@ I'm impressed with the rate of change of fixes and I don't want to slow the motion but I think it would be wise to consider submitting documented, tested fixes against gold if they do not require autotools. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTGY-0004Gt-F3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTGW-0004ES-KD - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTGS-00048A-Vu - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTGS-000481-RR - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:04:56 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTGS-0004Tg-46 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:04:56 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdTGQ-00025o-Vt; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:54 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdTGQ-0004Tr-SZ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:54 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:05:04 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Patch for SPADEDIT - <4541E9DB.4070404@hemmecke.de> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:05:04 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -57389,33 +37667,10 @@ pamphlets installed. It is very strange that only the spad files are installed anyway. That's not really encouraging literate programming ... -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTGg-0004SO-R9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTGf-0004Qb-2H - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTGX-0004F8-6R - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:08 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTGW-0004Ep-Qq - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:00 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTGW-0004UA-BM - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:00 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdTGS-0007nu-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:04:56 -0400 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 27 Oct 2006 11:04:56 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings! @@ -57558,51 +37813,11 @@ Take care, > I guess it didn't know MY_BFD_FALSE and MY_BFD_TRUE but I > took a wild guess at what these symbols might be. Is this > output useful to you? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTQc-0007qo-Gx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTQa-0007pV-DS - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTQV-0007nL-FD - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTQV-0007nI-7Z - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:19 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTQR-0006GO-QM - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:19 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFF1A0007846 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12112 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:15:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 15:15:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RF5UD24509; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:30 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:05:30 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: sourceforge/silver @@ -57613,46 +37828,12 @@ Subject: sourceforge/silver The trunk/branch/tags are just names and have no significance in SVN. They are there by convention. - -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTQy-00084l-0h - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTQw-000848-FB - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTQr-00080v-4M - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTQq-00080b-P3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:40 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTQq-0006JE-IX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:40 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFFHTZ020035 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:22 -0400 -Received: (qmail 9696 invoked from network); 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- Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:06:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:06:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: sourceforge/silver - - Your automatic procedure should show the top entry in CHANGELOG of: 20061026 tpd src/interp/setq.lisp add Christian Aistleitner If this is NOT the top entry then something is broken. - -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTRG-0008FJ-Ce - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:16:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTRE-0008Dj-AG - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:16:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTRA-0008AM-OH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:16:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTR8-0008AF-Tn - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:58 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTR8-0006Mq-Q0 - for list; 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The job involves 6) making sure it gets applied. 7) rinse and repeat - -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTUC-0002J7-Pf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTUB-0002IH-KO - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTU8-0002Gj-Ul - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTU8-0002GR-MV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:04 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTU8-0006oe-Ea - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:04 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B540368915; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9B5146889E; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:02 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:01 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT -Thread-Index: Acb52WYOo4gxq2+8RO+22st9To6bwwAAKG2A From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: RE: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:05 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -57829,13 +37906,13 @@ Yes! +1 Ideally the editor that is invoked by the middle button should include pamphlet/noweb-aware extensions to handle "tangle" and "run" such as on the Pamphlet pages on the Wiki. -=20 -> But for that, we need to have srcltx with Ralf's patch and=20 + +> But for that, we need to have srcltx with Ralf's patch and > first of all, the pamphlets installed. ->=20 -> It is very strange that only the spad files are installed=20 +> +> It is very strange that only the spad files are installed > anyway. That's not really encouraging literate programming ... ->=20 +> I agree. We should scrap those old .spad files and replace them with pamphlet files and the corresponding dvi's. Tim has @@ -57843,44 +37920,12 @@ suggested this before on several occassions. My understanding is that he plans (eventually) to provide some pamphlet-aware options on the )compile and )read commands. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTXT-0008Ln-Lb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:22:31 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTXR-0008Hr-V9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:22:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTXQ-0008B6-2d - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:22:29 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTXP-0008Au-Ul - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:22:27 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTXP-0007Cu-QW - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:22:28 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFMEot015867 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:22:15 -0400 -Received: (qmail 14674 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:21:54 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 27 Oct 2006 15:21:54 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RFCKY24543; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:12:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:12:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:08:03 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: GIT -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke > I have fetsche /silver from SourceForge. I do not understand why > you write about big differences. The biggest difference is that @@ -57892,47 +37937,11 @@ Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke I believe the differences are between the old trunk and axiom--silver--1, not between sourceforge/silver and axiom--silver--1 -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTYU-00027k-Ga - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:23:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTYS-00025J-Nn - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:23:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTYQ-00021J-3H - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:23:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTYP-000217-Ul - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:23:30 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTYI-0007KK-2y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:23:29 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFN9XZ029567 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:23:09 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3828 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:23:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 15:23:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RFDbd24547; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:13:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:13:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 27 Oct 2006 09:32:27 -0400) -Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom - <54y7r27t4t.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200610262037.k9QKbVf23282@localhost.localdomain> - <544ptpubo4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and graphics in Axiom > On Debian systems, it is common to run the stable distribution, and > then reserve a specific area of disk for the unstable distribution, @@ -57945,47 +37954,16 @@ Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org ok. i'll add it to FAQ 17. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTd6-0006iS-DW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTd3-0006gC-UK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTcz-0006eE-95 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTcy-0006e4-V2 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:13 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTcy-0007pp-QV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:13 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1BAA568A10; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:12 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 90ABC689BD; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:28:05 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sourceforge/silver -Thread-Index: Acb52s/UI++V/bpqQLSIrisWcEG9EwAAKL/g From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: RE: sourceforge/silver On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:06 AM Tim Daly wrote: > Bill Page wrote: [new /silver root at SourceForge] > > Let me know what you think of this arrangement. ->=20 +> > You do realize that this leaves the build-improvement branch > as a true fork since it is no longer "rooted" at axiom49 in > the SVN tree. @@ -58001,64 +37979,27 @@ enough to be merged back. I think it should be merged back to the new /silver root instead of /trunk. /trunk (as it exists today) should disappear. ->=20 +> > I think we need a person to volunteer to be the "patch-pusher" -> between build-improvements and silver. The job involves=20 ->=20 +> between build-improvements and silver. The job involves +> > 1) lifting out and purifying a difference between silver and BI. > 2) checking the documentation -> 3) applying the change to a copy of silver (bronze =3D=3D silver=20 +> 3) applying the change to a copy of silver (bronze == silver > + one change) > 4) testing bronze > 5) sending a "diff -Naur silver bronze" to the mailing list > 6) making sure it gets applied. > 7) rinse and repeat ->=20 +> Yes. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTiq-0001VU-GM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:34:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTip-0001VA-5I - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:34:15 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTin-0001Un-Q1 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:34:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTin-0001Ud-EA - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:34:13 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTii-0000eA-AK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:34:13 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFXtQa012294 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:33:55 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32086 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:33:57 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 15:33:57 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RFON124590; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:24:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:24:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 27 Oct 2006 09:32:27 -0400) -Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and - agraphics in Axiom - <54y7r27t4t.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200610262037.k9QKbVf23282@localhost.localdomain> - <544ptpubo4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Problems with gcl 2.6.8 and a graphics in Axiom patch applied as axiom--silver--1--patch-4 @@ -58072,38 +38013,11 @@ patch applied as axiom--silver--1--patch-4 > Without the second, the first mount will not solve the problem in a > chroot environment. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTjt-0001f6-Vx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:22 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTjs-0001ev-MO - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTjk-0001eG-UT - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTjk-0001eD-Lt - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:12 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTjk-0000hO-FN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:12 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9RFZ332014915 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:35:03 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:36:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Patch for SPADEDIT - -Cc: axiom-dev > | > There is yet another issue: It seems that latex -source-specials puts > | > the absolute path of the original file into the dvi. I guess that at @@ -58122,46 +38036,12 @@ cursor in line N of file F. If you go the same way as kdvi or xdvi then the target editor has to be configured (in kdvi/xdvi) together with the command line options that treat the line number and the filename. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTnX-0003e4-Uy - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:39:07 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTnV-0003cF-NB - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:39:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTnT-0003aB-QA - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:39:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTnT-0003a8-Lf - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:39:03 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTnO-0001IU-1y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:39:03 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFcjtS003961 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:38:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 6951 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:38:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 27 Oct 2006 15:38:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RFTBP24594; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:29:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:29:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 27 Oct 2006 09:51:32 -0400) -Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom - can blow up catastrophically - <54fyd9lvdn.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: hex@freezone.co.uk, control@bugs.debian.org, 346552@bugs.debian.org, - list +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Cc: Tom Hargreaves > Greetings, and thanks! > @@ -58202,60 +38082,27 @@ Nor do you want lisp's (read) to interpret control characters. Which raises the question.... why are you trying to pass cntrl-D and what do you expect to happen? And why do you expect this? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTrZ-0006Ch-DU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTrY-0006BE-3C - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdTrR-00067V-OQ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdTrR-00067S-I3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:09 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdTrR-0001rS-FC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:09 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 9B9C668A49; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1F0B868AA0; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:06 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:43:05 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sourceforge/silver -Thread-Index: Acb52swi7aL8qwvMR0qgYV2Yn6KNNAAA4Sxg From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: RE: sourceforge/silver -Tim,=20 - On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:06 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > Your automatic procedure should show the top entry in CHANGELOG > of: ->=20 +> > 20061026 tpd src/interp/setq.lisp add Christian Aistleitner ->=20 +> > If this is NOT the top entry then something is broken. ->=20 +> Looks ok to me: -http://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/axiom/silver/CHANGELOG?revision=3D= +http://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/axiom/silver/CHANGELOG?revision== -218&view=3Dmarkup +218&view=markup ... @@ -58269,43 +38116,10 @@ Date: 2006-10-26 15:16:20-04:00 Right? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdU0a-0008Te-MZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdU0Z-0008TN-6Y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:35 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdU0X-0008SS-BH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:34 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdU0X-0008SF-4j - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:33 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdU0X-0003Bm-7N - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:33 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RFqKqR018922 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:20 -0400 -Received: (qmail 12372 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 15:52:21 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 15:52:21 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RFgn524628; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:42:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:42:49 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Cc: list Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver > > @@ -58331,43 +38145,14 @@ Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver sweet. nice job. --t - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdU4j-0001Ng-Fx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:56:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdU4i-0001Mo-BX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:56:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdU4d-0001MK-PH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:56:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdU4d-0001MH-JA - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:56:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdU4d-0003Zx-KR - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:56:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444D040E8F; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:56:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RFqZYA023231; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:52:37 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RFqZAi023230; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:52:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly - <200610271450.k9REofm24492@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Oct 2006 17:52:35 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: patches and fixes +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -58408,45 +38193,11 @@ Also, please keep in mind that people will be tempted to apply fixes where they see activity. That is in the nature of open source (and software development i general). You can hardly blame them. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUCG-0005qT-7S - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:04:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUCD-0005pR-L8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:04:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUC7-0005nw-Qv - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:04:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUC5-0005nh-NN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:04:30 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUC5-0004ml-A9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:04:29 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08DB40F93; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:04:27 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RG0I4Z023524; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:00:20 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RG0IPl023523; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:00:18 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:00:18 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Patch for SPADEDIT - <4541E9DB.4070404@hemmecke.de> - - <4542276A.90608@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:00:18 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -58472,38 +38223,11 @@ Similarly for xdvi. If you want to make it an absolute requirement, you may upset people. You can at configure time detect what tools are available and generate the corresponding editor script. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUDs-00074t-50 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:06:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUDp-00071S-Qp - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:06:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUDm-0006x7-44 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:06:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUDl-0006wD-LD - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:06:13 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUDk-000565-E6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:06:12 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9RG6932015942 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:07:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: sourceforge/silver -Cc: list On 10/27/2006 05:28 PM, Page, Bill wrote: > On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:06 AM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -58526,44 +38250,14 @@ files of Time that Silver had more than Gold. Otherwise Silver was patch-50. See http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-09/msg00414.html -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUGE-00022A-22 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:08:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUGC-0001zw-Rc - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:08:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUG5-0001rf-SD - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:08:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUG3-0001qW-Pw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:08:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUG3-0005mI-Ep - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:08:35 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720941027; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:08:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RG4O4s023528; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:04:26 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RG4OpS023527; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:04:24 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:04:24 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:04:24 +0200 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Let me know what you think of this arrangement. | @@ -58579,42 +38273,11 @@ it. Build-improvements is ready when the TODO list has been moved to piecemeal, go for it. Just beware that that is going to cause troubles and I don't volunteer to help with piecemeal merges. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUJ8-0006sM-C9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUJ6-0006p6-KV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUJ0-0006dX-1o - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUIz-0006cg-I3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUIz-0006K6-79 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0984F3D0; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:11:26 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RG7QjP023735; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:07:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RG7Q7s023734; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:07:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:07:25 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: sourceforge/silver -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:07:25 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -58638,57 +38301,27 @@ idea. I'm quite impressed that Tim is councerned about forks. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUJW-0007bq-4O - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:12:10 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUJU-0007YV-Hf - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:12:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUJS-0007Tq-8u - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:12:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUJS-0007TV-0Z - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:12:06 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUJR-0006OZ-On - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:12:06 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6197F68934; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 3B4386893F; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:11:55 -0400 -Thread-Topic: patches and fixes -Thread-Index: Acb54JDZomc5tuPfShC1yQm2njq4MgAADHnQ From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: patches and fixes +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:53 AM Gaby wrote: > > Tim Daly wrote writes: ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > | There are a large number of "fixes" being applied which appear > | to have nothing to do with autotools, such as the sttaylor fix > | and the sage change. Worse yet, it appears that the sage > | connection won't work with gold so sage users cannot get the > | latest axiom "gold" release. ->=20 +> > Which "Sage connection" patch do you have in mind? ->=20 +> I recently prepared a source package (spkg) for Sage that allows Sage users to easily install Axiom by just doing @@ -58716,102 +38349,46 @@ I consider Axiom Gold to be a more "conservative" alternative and not of as much interest to (most) developers. Of course we need to define appropriately what we mean by "developer"? :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUMN-0004Fn-W2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:15:08 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUMK-00049o-BU - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:15:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUMG-00041C-8P - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:15:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUMF-00040Z-QB - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:14:59 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUMF-000775-KK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:14:59 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0D6F868934; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:14:59 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 0BF85688F2; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:14:56 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: re: sourceforge/silver Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:14:52 -0400 -Thread-Topic: RE: sourceforge/silver -Thread-Index: Acb54duvjayamFT7TVSmd6sk1daNiwAAOkWg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: sourceforge/silver On Friday, October 27, 2006 12:07 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > On 10/27/2006 05:28 PM, Bill Page wrote: > > On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:06 AM Tim Daly wrote: > >> Bill Page wrote: [new /silver root at SourceForge] -> > ...=20 +> > ... > > Yes, I thought about that. That is another reason why I decided > > not to remove /trunk right now. As you said previously, /trunk > > is patch-49 (almost, just a few changes). ->=20 +> > Hmm, then someone removed Tim's update to patch-50 (trunk r115 > on Sourceforge) and my corrections of the binaries (trunk r137). No, I don't think so. ->=20 -> When I checked r137 with Gold, there were basically only=20 +> +> When I checked r137 with Gold, there were basically only > these temporary files of Time that Silver had more than Gold. > Otherwise Silver was patch-50. ->=20 +> > See > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-09/msg00414.ht ml ->=20 +> Thanks for the correction. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUl1-00047I-0H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:40:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUkz-00046h-En - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:40:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUkv-00045a-U0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:40:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUkv-00045V-Op - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:40:29 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUkv-0002sE-KS - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:40:29 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdUjw-00089X-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:39:28 +0200 -Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom - can blow up catastrophically -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:39:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, 346552@bugs.debian.org, - hex@freezone.co.uk +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Cc: Camm Maguire, Tom Hargreaves root wrote: > Apparently the ptys are opened in raw mode and do not interpret the @@ -58845,46 +38422,12 @@ few bad inputs interspesed with ^C, I was able to generate: so interrupt handling in GCL probably has some problems. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUnj-0007lf-TT - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:43:23 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUni-0007i3-Bw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:43:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdUnd-0007W0-L8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:43:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdUnd-0007VQ-C0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:43:17 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdUnb-00039b-Cl - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:43:17 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RGgwNn017574 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:42:58 -0400 -Received: (qmail 13298 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 16:42:59 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 16:42:59 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RGXRp24672; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:33:27 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:33:27 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 27 Oct 2006 18:04:24 +0200) Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - -Cc: list, Bill Page +Cc: Bill Page > When build-improvements is ready to be merged into trunk, I'll propose > it. Build-improvements is ready when the TODO list has been moved to @@ -58908,45 +38451,12 @@ My request was that changesets which are not Makefile-related be made against the gold branch if possible. Otherwise we are faced with the task of untangling many unrelated changesets. -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdV6u-0000Po-Ow - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:03:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdV6t-0000PJ-Mw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:03:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdV6p-0000Nb-GX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:03:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdV6p-0000NW-9j - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:03:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdV6o-0006qw-QZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:03:06 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F5940E8F; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:03:04 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RGwquR024889; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:58:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RGwqw4024888; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:58:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:58:51 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: patches and fixes +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill Page writes: @@ -58990,43 +38500,12 @@ commit it to that branch right? Your experiment should be appraised. I'm sure you ran into issues; I would be glad to hear of them so that we can provide fixes. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdV97-0001iL-Hc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:29 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdV96-0001i7-Ke - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:28 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdV96-0001hi-2V - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdV96-0001he-07 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:28 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdV95-0008Jf-J5 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:05:27 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB43440F05; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:05:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RH1F4s024912; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:01:18 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RH1F87024911; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:01:15 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:01:15 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, hex@freezone.co.uk, - 346552@bugs.debian.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Axiom unsoundness +Cc: Camm Maguire, Tom Hargreaves Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -59047,44 +38526,14 @@ happens on invalid syntax and such. The system should be more resilient should not corrupt memory just because of syntax errors and such. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVSJ-0003kP-IM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVSI-0003kE-1p - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVSF-0003jg-MA - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdVSF-0003jd-CG - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:15 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdVSF-0002Rq-6u - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:25:15 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7384F41C; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:25:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RHL3lP025332; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:21:06 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RHL3uh025331; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:21:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:21:03 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:21:03 +0200 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Let me know what you think of this arrangement. | @@ -59126,34 +38575,11 @@ from branches to trunk where we have already set the policy I think. The reason for that is that it makes it easy for people to select the patches they want to see on their branches. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVVg-0005KY-0a - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:28:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVVe-0005JX-JT - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:28:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVVa-0005HQ-2P - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:28:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdVVZ-0005HN-R4 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:28:41 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdVVZ-00030C-Nm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:28:41 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdVUn-0007QG-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:27:53 +0200 -Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting - axiomcan blow up catastrophically -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:27:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiomcan blow up catastrophically Bill Page wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -59165,36 +38591,12 @@ Bill Page wrote: $AXIOM/bin/clef -e $AXIOM/bin/AXIOMsys --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVpM-00088y-Uf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:49:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVpJ-00085S-Ho - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:49:05 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVpE-0007zZ-9K - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:49:04 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdVpD-0007z6-PV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:48:59 -0400 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdVpC-00076k-U7 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:48:59 -0400 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GdVnq-00063H-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:47:34 -0400 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -From: Camm Maguire +\start Date: 27 Oct 2006 13:47:34 -0400 -Cc: list, hex@freezone.co.uk, 346552@bugs.debian.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bug#346552: Axiom unsoundness +Cc: Tom Hargreaves Greetings! Please be aware that in most cases this message is, unfortunately, misleading about memory corruption. Segfaults are @@ -59233,68 +38635,28 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > happens on invalid syntax and such. The system should be more > resilient should not corrupt memory just because of syntax errors and > such. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVup-0003hL-VZ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVun-0003gd-Mu - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdVug-0003bW-La - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdVug-0003bN-FI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:38 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdVug-0008WQ-Bt - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:38 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 38AED68BB5; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:37 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7EE9C68B77; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:35 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Axiom unsoundness Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:54:29 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Axiom unsoundness -Thread-Index: Acb56iDVPRnrpE6cT2aeXffxQ1f81wABe1SQ From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, hex@freezone.co.uk, - 346552@bugs.debian.org +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Axiom unsoundness +Cc: Camm Maguire, Tom Hargreaves On Friday, October 27, 2006 1:01 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: ->=20 +> > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> ...=20 -> |=20 +> ... +> | > | >> System error: > | Caught fatal error [memory may be damaged] ->=20 +> > I've been running into this "memory may be damaged" stuff very > often these days ]with students, everything is possible :-)]. > Most of them happens on invalid syntax and such. The system > should be more resilient should not corrupt memory just because > of syntax errors and such. ->=20 +> Actually I believe that in *most* cases this error message greatly over states the case and is probably rather poorly @@ -59308,94 +38670,27 @@ memory, it does in fact do quite a good job. I'd be interested if you have any evidence actual memory problems. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW35-00058r-R8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW34-00056W-NF - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW34-000550-4P - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdW33-00054n-LZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:17 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdW33-0001lI-8b - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:17 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C6B4168B77; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:16 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 76D9B68B49; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:15 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting - axiomcan blow up catastrophically Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:11 -0400 -Thread-Topic: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting - axiomcan blow up catastrophically -Thread-Index: Acb57V2o37KQlC5HTXyoALKWbk2hdAABJJpA From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically On Friday, October 27, 2006 1:28 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... ->=20 +> > $AXIOM/bin/clef -e $AXIOM/bin/AXIOMsys ->=20 +> Cool. Thanks. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW5v-0002Cb-6K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:06:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW5t-000297-Fh - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:06:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW5p-0001yJ-Fh - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:06:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdW5o-0001xY-Vj - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:06:09 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdW5o-0002Fn-FN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:06:08 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RI5nwh031598 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:05:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32766 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 18:05:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 18:05:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RHu3v24730; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:56:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:56:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 27 Oct 2006 19:21:03 +0200) Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - -Cc: list, Bill Page +Cc: Bill Page > What you want is not to merge branch-improvements back to trunk at > this moment. Rather, you want to minimize distance as much as @@ -59415,10 +38710,6 @@ if they can. and the agreed-upon mechanism is to post diff patches against Gold to the mailing list. i don't see this happening and it concerns me. - - - - it raises the question of how patches should be done. i believe the point of the SVN repository was that multiple @@ -59436,49 +38727,12 @@ post these as diffs to the mailing list have these applied to silver review, tested, and finally released as gold. -t - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW8J-0004Df-0m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:08:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW8H-0004CS-58 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:08:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdW8C-0004A3-PI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:08:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdW8B-00049M-Iq - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:08:35 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdW8A-0002gR-64 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:08:34 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CA94F3BF; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:08:21 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RI4MvK026069; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:04:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RI4MCT026068; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:04:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Camm Maguire - - <54pscd7irt.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:04:22 +0200 -Cc: list, hex@freezone.co.uk, 346552@bugs.debian.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Bug#346552: Axiom unsoundness +Cc: Tom Hargreaves Camm Maguire writes: @@ -59500,45 +38754,12 @@ Camm Maguire writes: Many thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a shot next week-end (this one is already overbooked). - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWES-00088V-3A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:15:04 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWEQ-00087n-3U - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:15:02 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWEL-00084R-Dq - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:15:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWEL-00084O-Ap - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:14:57 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdWEL-0003c9-7D - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:14:57 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RIEZfm016729 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:14:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15756 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 18:14:34 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 18:14:34 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RI4pn24746; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:04:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:04:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 27 Oct 2006 19:21:03 +0200) Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - -Cc: list, Bill Page +Cc: Bill Page > It appears that we now have at least two "trunks" under SVN -- > ignoring for the moment, all the variations under other SCMs. That is @@ -59564,46 +38785,14 @@ do with their individual branches is up to them. the only issue arises when an SVN branch needs to be packaged as a changeset and merged into silver. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWVj-0008JO-5f - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:32:55 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWVi-0008Iy-4C - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:32:54 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWVf-0008IU-JP - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:32:53 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWVf-0008IR-Fp - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:32:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdWVf-00077K-CX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:32:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2348A40F56; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:32:49 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RISdx4026547; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:28:42 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RISdtb026546; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:28:39 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:28:39 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - - <200610271633.k9RGXRp24672@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:28:39 +0200 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > When build-improvements is ready to be merged into trunk, I'll propose | > it. Build-improvements is ready when the TODO list has been moved to @@ -59655,46 +38844,14 @@ just changing "Makefiles". There is more to it. Please, be more specific. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWdH-0008Li-C6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:40:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWdF-0008Ka-Vy - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:40:42 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWdF-0008Ja-Ax - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:40:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWdF-0008JB-1e - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:40:41 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdWdE-00013N-Ve - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:40:41 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9C541089; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:40:38 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RIaTkX026819; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:36:31 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RIaTXo026818; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:36:29 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:36:28 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - - <200610271756.k9RHu3v24730@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:36:28 +0200 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > What you want is not to merge branch-improvements back to trunk at | > this moment. Rather, you want to minimize distance as much as @@ -59761,46 +38918,14 @@ branches). Now, I'm not sure anymore. yes, when the get to be merged to silver. That is what we agreed upon, back to April 2006. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWel-0001Lq-Gb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWej-0001KS-V2 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:14 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWej-0001Jt-66 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:13 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWei-0001JX-Ow - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdWei-0001Db-LF - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:12 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6314F3C0; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:41:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RIc1WM026823; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:38:03 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RIc0eA026822; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:38:00 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:38:00 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - - <200610271804.k9RI4pn24746@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:38:00 +0200 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > It appears that we now have at least two "trunks" under SVN -- | > ignoring for the moment, all the variations under other SCMs. That is @@ -59835,39 +38960,12 @@ Great! We are in violent agreement. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWl7-0005Yg-NE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:48:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWl5-0005YL-Ug - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:48:48 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdWl3-0005XE-1Q - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:48:47 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdWl2-0005X5-QN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:48:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdWl2-0001mF-Pf - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:48:44 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992714F3D3 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:48:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) id 1GdWkz-0002FP-Bk - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:48:41 +0200 -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 27 Oct 2006 20:48:40 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: axiom-silverbranch for linux. -Hi, - I follow the commands of the http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSilverBranch @@ -59899,35 +38997,12 @@ make: *** [all] Erreur 127 Can you imagine what is the problem ? -Thanks a lot. - -Francois - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdX2J-0002NJ-9i - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdX2G-0002MF-Rm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:32 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdX29-0002IC-4h - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdX28-0002Hw-Qm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:24 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdX28-0004CR-85 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:24 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdX1I-000642-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:05:32 +0200 -Subject: Re: GIT -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:05:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill Page wrote: > On Friday, October 27, 2006 9:08 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -60060,182 +39135,119 @@ No log entry (move --interaction nonstopmode as first argument to latex) 20061026 tpd src/interp/sockio.lisp use double on sock_send_float src/interp/sockio.lisp.pamphlet --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdX2n-0002iY-Ul - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:07:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdX2l-0002gm-MZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:07:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdX2g-0002cu-Gi - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:07:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdX2f-0002cS-QP - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:57 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdX2f-0004gR-17 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:06:57 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25334F42A; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:06:43 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RJ2jAk027374; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:02:47 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RJ2ju5027373; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:02:45 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:02:44 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:02:44 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: | Hi, -|=20 +| | I follow the commands of the -|=20 +| | http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSilverBranch -|=20 +| | in orderto compile a new axiom. -|=20 +| | So I do as root : -|=20 +| | cd /usr/loca/ | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk axiom | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk axiom -| # I make it twice because my adsl link is too slow=20 +| # I make it twice because my adsl link is too slow | mkdir axiom-local | cd axiom-local | lndir ../axiom/silver | ./configure -|=20 -| export AXIOM=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux -| export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +| +| export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux +| export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH | make -|=20 +| | Then I get an error : -|=20 +| | The end of the make output is : -|=20 -| 2 Environment SPAD=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux SYS=3Dlinux SPD=3D/= -usr/local/axiom-local LSP=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/lsp GCLDIR=3D/usr/local/= -axiom-local/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre2 SRC=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/src INT=3D/usr/l= -ocal/axiom-local/int OBJ=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/obj MNT=3D/usr/local/axio= -m-local/mnt ZIPS=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/zips TMP=3D/usr/local/axiom-local= -/obj/tmp SPADBIN=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin INC=3D/usr/local/ax= -iom-local/src/include CCLBASE=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/obj/linux/ccl/ccllis= -p PART=3Dcprogs SUBPART=3Deverything NOISE=3D-o /usr/local/axiom-local/obj/= -tmp/trace GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.8pre2 TANGLE=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/li= -nux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=3DAxiom (September 2006) PATCH=3Dpatch DOCUMEN= -T=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/document WEAVE=3D/usr/local/axiom-= +| +| 2 Environment SPAD=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD=/= +usr/local/axiom-local LSP=/usr/local/axiom-local/lsp GCLDIR=/usr/local/= +axiom-local/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre2 SRC=/usr/local/axiom-local/src INT=/usr/l= +ocal/axiom-local/int OBJ=/usr/local/axiom-local/obj MNT=/usr/local/axio= +m-local/mnt ZIPS=/usr/local/axiom-local/zips TMP=/usr/local/axiom-local= +/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin INC=/usr/local/ax= +iom-local/src/include CCLBASE=/usr/local/axiom-local/obj/linux/ccl/ccllis= +p PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /usr/local/axiom-local/obj/= +tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.8pre2 TANGLE=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/li= +nux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=Axiom (September 2006) PATCH=patch DOCUMEN= +T=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/document WEAVE=/usr/local/axiom-= local/mnt/linux/bin/lib/noweave | make: /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/document : commande introuvable | make: *** [all] Erreur 127 -|=20 +| | Can you imagine what is the problem ? -Salut Fran=E7ois, Maybe this is just a typo; the first command reads "cd /usr/loca/" whereas the AXIOM variable seems to imply /usr/local. -Can you give me the output of=20 +Can you give me the output of ls -R /usr/loca/axiom-local/mnt -? - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXF2-0006ve-0y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:19:44 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXEz-0006uh-95 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:19:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXEw-0006tv-RH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:19:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXEw-0006tn-GP - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:19:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXEw-00061w-Bc - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:19:38 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224F54F3B8; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:25 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1GdXEt-0002J3-Q8; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:35 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:19:35 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:19:35 +0200 -Cc: list Hi Gabriel, > | cd /usr/loca/ -of corse, it's cd /usr/local=20 +of corse, it's cd /usr/local > | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk axiom > | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk axiom -> | # I make it twice because my adsl link is too slow=20 +> | # I make it twice because my adsl link is too slow > | mkdir axiom-local > | cd axiom-local > | lndir ../axiom/silver > | ./configure -> |=20 -> | export AXIOM=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux -> | export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +> | +> | export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux +> | export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH > | make -> |=20 +> | > | Then I get an error : -> |=20 +> | > | The end of the make output is : -> |=20 -> | 2 Environment SPAD=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux SYS=3Dlinux SPD= -=3D/usr/local/axiom-local LSP=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/lsp GCLDIR=3D/usr/lo= -cal/axiom-local/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre2 SRC=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/src INT=3D/u= -sr/local/axiom-local/int OBJ=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/obj MNT=3D/usr/local/= -axiom-local/mnt ZIPS=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/zips TMP=3D/usr/local/axiom-l= -ocal/obj/tmp SPADBIN=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin INC=3D/usr/loca= -l/axiom-local/src/include CCLBASE=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/obj/linux/ccl/cc= -llisp PART=3Dcprogs SUBPART=3Deverything NOISE=3D-o /usr/local/axiom-local/= -obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.8pre2 TANGLE=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mn= -t/linux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=3DAxiom (September 2006) PATCH=3Dpatch DOC= -UMENT=3D/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/document WEAVE=3D/usr/local/ax= +> | +> | 2 Environment SPAD=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux SYS=linux SPD= +=/usr/local/axiom-local LSP=/usr/local/axiom-local/lsp GCLDIR=/usr/lo= +cal/axiom-local/lsp/gcl-2.6.8pre2 SRC=/usr/local/axiom-local/src INT=/u= +sr/local/axiom-local/int OBJ=/usr/local/axiom-local/obj MNT=/usr/local/= +axiom-local/mnt ZIPS=/usr/local/axiom-local/zips TMP=/usr/local/axiom-l= +ocal/obj/tmp SPADBIN=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin INC=/usr/loca= +l/axiom-local/src/include CCLBASE=/usr/local/axiom-local/obj/linux/ccl/cc= +llisp PART=cprogs SUBPART=everything NOISE=-o /usr/local/axiom-local/= +obj/tmp/trace GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.8pre2 TANGLE=/usr/local/axiom-local/mn= +t/linux/bin/lib/notangle VERSION=Axiom (September 2006) PATCH=patch DOC= +UMENT=/usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/document WEAVE=/usr/local/ax= iom-local/mnt/linux/bin/lib/noweave > | make: /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/document : commande introuva= ble > | make: *** [all] Erreur 127 -> |=20 +> | > | Can you imagine what is the problem ? ->=20 +> > Maybe this is just a typo; the first command reads "cd /usr/loca/" > whereas the AXIOM variable seems to imply /usr/local. ->=20 -> Can you give me the output of=20 ->=20 +> +> Can you give me the output of +> > ls -R /usr/loca/axiom-local/mnt -And files and directories are owned by=20 +And files and directories are owned by -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff ......... But I make axiom as root. Thanks a lot ! @@ -60315,126 +39327,31 @@ axiom.sty noweb.sty nwmac.tex - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXIk-0001pV-QL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:34 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXIj-0001nz-5b - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:33 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXIe-0001k6-Gc - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:32 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXIe-0001jw-A0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:28 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXIe-0006NP-6m - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:28 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RJNDpx008796 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:18 -0400 -Received: (qmail 16508 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 19:23:13 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 27 Oct 2006 19:23:13 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RJDU324808; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:30 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Francois Maltey - 2006 21:19:35 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> -Cc: list are you using a bash shell? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXL0-0003Tu-LP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXKx-0003Rw-U8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXKs-0003OF-5q - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:48 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXKr-0003Nv-PA - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:45 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXKr-0006ac-Lc - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:45 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913634F436; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:25:32 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1GdXKp-0002Jn-3E; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:25:43 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:25:42 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:25:42 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > are you using a bash shell? Yes I do. Is-it an error ? - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXUf-0000r9-EK - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXUd-0000q0-NT - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXUY-0000mD-W9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXUY-0000m5-Rx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:46 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXUY-0007th-OT - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:46 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RJZYF2032469 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:35:38 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20000 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 19:35:34 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 19:35:34 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RJPph24850; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:25:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Francois Maltey - 2006 21:25:42 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> -Cc: list nope. i'm just trying to guess. the path seems correct. so it must be one of: @@ -60451,33 +39368,12 @@ change to /usr/local/axiom-local/src/interp and type /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/bin/ocument setq.lisp.pamphlet -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXXO-00037o-H1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:38:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXXM-00037U-7L - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:38:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXXK-00036W-KJ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:38:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXXK-00036K-Ca - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:38:38 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXXK-0000HT-Ac - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:38:38 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdXWV-0000Rg-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:37:47 +0200 -Subject: Re: GIT -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:37:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke > > I have fetsche /silver from SourceForge. I do not understand why > > you write about big differences. The biggest difference is that @@ -60494,53 +39390,15 @@ Yes, as I wrote I run diff between /trunk and /silver on SourceForge. Since I do not have arch I can not see axiom--silver--1, but I belive that /silver on SourceForge faithfully mirrors axiom--silver--1. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXbH-0000qq-7v - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:42:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXbF-0000mV-9c - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:42:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXbE-0000kh-JN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:42:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXbE-0000k8-EI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:42:40 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXbE-0000sf-Co - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:42:40 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF46B40E22; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:42:37 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RJcSDw028020; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:38:30 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RJcSXL028019; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:38:28 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:38:28 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:38:28 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: -| root Tim Daly writes: +| Tim Daly writes: | | > are you using a bash shell? | @@ -60567,44 +39425,13 @@ Please, restart asfresh (e.g. erase directory axiom-local and restart from there, you don't need to touch the directory "axiom" where you downloaded Axiom to). --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXjW-0002XB-KA - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:51:14 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXjV-0002Wz-2e - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:51:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXjU-0002Wb-8t - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:51:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXjU-0002WY-4K - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:51:12 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXjU-00021g-10 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:51:12 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B02F40E8F; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:51:09 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1GdXjR-0002M9-3k; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:51:09 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:51:08 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271925.k9RJPph24850@localhost.localdomain> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:51:08 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > the path seems correct. so it must be one of: > @@ -60645,50 +39472,11 @@ I dislike the root.staff owner. Is it a good idea to make a chown -R root.root ? -Thanks for your help. - -Francois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXnP-0003iw-Ba - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:55:15 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXnN-0003ii-EM - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:55:13 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXnL-0003hv-UU - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:55:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXnL-0003hr-JN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:55:11 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXnL-0002NO-E7 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:55:11 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RJsoVV006268 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:54:56 -0400 -Received: (qmail 7517 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 19:54:50 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Francois Maltey; 27 Oct 2006 19:54:50 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RJj7l24884; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:45:07 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:45:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 27 Oct 2006 21:38:28 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - -Cc: list > The problem is not there. I think I've seen the error you're urnning > into before. It has to do with symbolic links working only portably @@ -60707,70 +39495,38 @@ Cc: list eh? i'm confused. i believe there are no symbolic links in axiom. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXq3-00047J-Dn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXq2-00046N-Of - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXpz-00043K-Du - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXpz-00043H-3F - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:55 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXpw-0002XY-R1 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 8830268BEC; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:49 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id CFF1E68BDF; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:47 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: sourceforge/silver Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:57:43 -0400 -Thread-Topic: sourceforge/silver -Thread-Index: Acb58pbN/xXgEpTgT9mo39938wkwVwAAtP/w From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: RE: sourceforge/silver -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Friday, October 27, 2006 1:56 PM you wrote: -> Gaby wrote:=20 +> Gaby wrote: > > What you want is not to merge branch-improvements back to > > trunk at this moment. Rather, you want to minimize distance > > as much as possible. Concretely, that means backporting > > some patches on silver to that branch -- not the other way > > around. ->=20 +> Here is how I see the situation: | | | | | | darcs and | - | next big =3D hg mirrors | + | next big = hg mirrors | | experiment | | gold | / | gold <---- | / | - (52) silver (SourceForge) <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> Google Code + (52) silver (SourceForge) <=====> Google Code | mirror |\___merge___ | gold <---- | \ | | (51) |\__ | | | / \ back | darcs and | - gold <---|-<----\ .....> / =3D hg mirrors | + gold <---|-<----\ .....> / = hg mirrors | (50) / / port | | | | | | | | Now: silver trunk build @@ -60791,9 +39547,9 @@ Now is that really *so* complicated?? :-) > and i suspect it will take a fair amount of give-and-take > about things like documentation and philosophy. but i'm > not suggesting we start that now. ->=20 +> > other than the autotools items, it is in our best interest -> to make axiom--silver--1 and build-improvements identical.=20 +> to make axiom--silver--1 and build-improvements identical. > For me personally, autoconf support is more important than @@ -60812,7 +39568,7 @@ then. > world release) if they can. and the agreed-upon mechanism is > to post diff patches against Gold to the mailing list. i don't > see this happening and it concerns me. ->=20 +> Diffing patches against Gold seems problematic to me. I would prefer for patches to be against Silver if possible. @@ -60822,9 +39578,9 @@ necessary to use a fair amount of manual manipulation of patches anyway. So I don't think exactly what we base a patch on is that important. ->=20 -> it raises the question of how patches should be done.=20 ->=20 +> +> it raises the question of how patches should be done. +> > i believe the point of the SVN repository was that multiple > people can create multiple branches to work on different > things. these different things would eventually be reviewed @@ -60833,7 +39589,7 @@ patch on is that important. No. SVN /trunk was created to be Silver from which the experimental branchs would be branched. -=20 + > axiom--silver--1 was created to be a pre-gold version of > the system with "early release" of changes so they can be > tested. @@ -60842,76 +39598,39 @@ No. axiom--silver--1 was created to be a mirror of SVN /trunk (now called SVN /silver) so that you would not have to deal with the problems of using SVN. ->=20 +> > axiom--main--1 is the "official system" > Right. Gold. -=20 + > so it seems to me that SVN branches should collect up > changesets, post these as diffs to the mailing list have > these applied to silver review, tested, and finally released > as gold. ->=20 +> I don't think there are very many of these and I believe that all of them have already been posted to the mailing list. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXql-0004N8-IQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXqj-0004Lr-Sc - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXqg-0004LP-R3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXqg-0004LM-Lk - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXqf-0002aS-9e - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:38 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3614F3C7; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:58:20 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RJsMbt028395; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:24 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RJsMiB028394; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:54:22 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:54:22 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | Francois Maltey writes: -|=20 -| | root Tim Daly writes: -| |=20 +| +| | Tim Daly writes: +| | | | > are you using a bash shell? -| |=20 +| | | | Yes I do. Is-it an error ? -|=20 +| | No. -|=20 +| | The problem is not there. I think I've seen the error you're urnning | into before. It has to do with symbolic links working only portably | when given absolute path. I'm in the process of updating and making @@ -60924,60 +39643,29 @@ you reported with relative path to lndir. However, everything works with absolute path. Please proceed, as I said: | But, basically, instead of doing -|=20 +| | lndir ../axiom/silver | ./configure -|=20 +| | you should be doing -|=20 -| lndir /usr/local/axiom/silver .=20=20 +| +| lndir /usr/local/axiom/silver . | ./configure -|=20 +| | from axiom-local. -|=20 +| | Please, restart asfresh (e.g. erase directory axiom-local and restart | from there, you don't need to touch the directory "axiom" where you | downloaded Axiom to). And report back -- once you see lines begining with "gcc .." floating -around.=20 - --- Gaby - - +around. \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXr7-0004cA-R1 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:59:05 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXr5-0004bn-UH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:59:03 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXr4-0004bF-HJ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:59:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXr4-0004bC-Cd - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:59:02 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXr4-0002dc-D8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:59:02 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D778040E22; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:58:59 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1GdXr1-0002Wp-G3; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:58:59 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:58:59 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:58:59 +0200 -Cc: list Hi Gabriel, @@ -61009,52 +39697,13 @@ Now make complains there is no X11/Xlib.h file. I'll update my debian distribution with some apt-get, but tomorrow, it's late. -Thanks a lot. - -Francois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXvF-0006vT-Ll - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:21 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXvD-0006sy-8k - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:19 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXvB-0006s1-L9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXvB-0006ry-It - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:17 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXvB-0003Bl-3a - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:03:17 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC6E40F60; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:03:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RJx5x6028408; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:59:07 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RJx5Ek028407; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:59:05 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +\start +Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:59:05 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <200610271945.k9RJj7l24884@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 21:59:05 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > The problem is not there. I think I've seen the error you're urnning | > into before. It has to do with symbolic links working only portably @@ -61083,48 +39732,11 @@ the toplevel Makefile). None of those issues are present with axiom.build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXxW-0000xJ-9k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:05:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXxU-0000vX-Lu - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:05:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdXxT-0000uO-46 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:05:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdXxS-0000tq-UL - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:05:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdXxS-0003pQ-CN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:05:38 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9A74F3C2; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:05:24 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RK1Qbg028431; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:01:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RK1Q9T028430; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:01:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:01:26 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271925.k9RJPph24850@localhost.localdomain> - <87bqnxa66r.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:01:26 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -61147,48 +39759,11 @@ to lndir. It is not an ownership problem. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY1S-0006Qj-Dc - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:09:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY1Q-0006QV-Nj - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:09:44 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY1O-0006QI-6W - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:09:43 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdY1O-0006QF-0k - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:09:42 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdY1N-0004qQ-Mx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:09:41 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEC140F56; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:09:39 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RK5Unr028572; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:05:32 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RK5Ugq028571; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:05:30 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:05:29 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271925.k9RJPph24850@localhost.localdomain> - <87bqnxa66r.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:05:29 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -61199,42 +39774,11 @@ questionable commands in the build process that usually get rejected when you're not root. And that is OK. If you're building as root, they could skew your system without you noticing. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY6O-0000hX-3F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:14:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY6M-0000gu-DF - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:14:50 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY6K-0000fp-78 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:14:49 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdY6J-0000fZ-Rl - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:14:47 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdY6J-0005Lu-LM - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:14:47 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C31640E85; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:14:45 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RKAaBc028580; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:38 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RKAa80028579; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:36 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:10:35 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:10:35 +0200 -Cc: list Bill Page writes: @@ -61299,49 +39843,11 @@ yes, you're right. If we consider Gold as release branch, most patches would be made against silver (which, in my mental model, is the development branch). - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY90-0001V2-VV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:17:35 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY90-0001Ud-7j - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:17:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY8y-0001To-Ii - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:17:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdY8y-0001Tc-B0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:17:32 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdY8y-0005cl-6p - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:17:32 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DC840F3D; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:17:29 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RKDKNA028696; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:13:22 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RKDKw7028695; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:13:20 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:13:20 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:13:20 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -61362,42 +39868,11 @@ Ah. Now, we need to know more about your system. :-( Could you check whether X11/Xlib.h is there (say /usr/X11/include)? I would be surprised if your system is setup with X11. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYA2-0001wp-7Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:18:38 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYA0-0001wY-Qg - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:18:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY9z-0001wH-5v - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:18:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdY9y-0001wE-VC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:18:34 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdY9y-0005iF-Lf - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:18:35 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdY9s-0003wA-8w; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:18:28 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdY9s-0002mF-7s; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:18:28 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:18:41 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:18:41 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -61439,43 +39914,10 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: link it to the wiki yes, change it to pdf no. The ascii art is just way too beautiful. And pdf uses probably 5000 times more space, I'd guess ;-) - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYA9-00020W-EI - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:18:45 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY6z-0000uA-79 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:15:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdY6x-0000to-1Z - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:15:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdY6w-0000tl-Le - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:15:26 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdY6u-0005Pj-UV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:15:26 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdY6t-0003HW-Ar; 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27 Oct 2006 20:31:14 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RKLWZ24945; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:21:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:21:32 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver -Cc: list > For me personally, autoconf support is more important than > almost everything else, the reason being that I would really @@ -63034,41 +41411,11 @@ things to check. Though I have a lot of experience with Axiom I cannot answer Gaby's questions without study and experiment. I don't think autoconf is going to change that. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYMf-00039Y-Bm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYMd-000392-SZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYMc-00037d-4m - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYMc-00037a-1P - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:38 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYMb-00077P-Qy - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:31:38 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9RKVS32023825 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:31:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:32:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - -Cc: list - - On 10/27/2006 10:10 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Bill Page writes: @@ -63126,41 +41473,10 @@ formats. And xfig is quite a nice tool for such graphics anyway. Thank you, Bill. You are a master of such ASCII-Graphics (and not only that). -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYP3-00061K-2c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYP2-00060x-8V - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYP0-0005xS-ID - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYP0-0005xP-FH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:06 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYP0-0007KL-Ft - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:06 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RKY3Ex003307 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:03 -0400 -Received: (qmail 17645 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 20:34:03 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 20:34:03 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RKOLp24956; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:24:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:24:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver Cc: list @@ -63179,43 +41495,11 @@ fact that it is now kept publically should not change the procedure. However, I'm flexible and can handle the diff from either system since I'm going to hand-apply it anyway. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYR8-0006jL-IG - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:36:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYR5-0006hO-Ub - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:36:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYR3-0006fO-T0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:36:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYR3-0006fD-GI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:36:13 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYR2-0007ko-94 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:36:13 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RKZqVY009285 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:35:57 -0400 -Received: (qmail 20354 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 20:35:52 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 27 Oct 2006 20:35:52 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9RKQAW24960; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:26:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:26:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver -Cc: list > I don't think there are very many of these and I believe that > all of them have already been posted to the mailing list. @@ -63225,44 +41509,13 @@ changed to closed. Perhaps this is correct but I didn't see changes to the source code patched and tested. I'm going to review these changes this weekend if I can. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYWJ-000892-No - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:41:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYWI-00088d-IJ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:41:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYWG-00088R-7s - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:41:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYWG-00088O-01 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:41:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYWF-0000Lt-SM - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:41:36 -0400 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdYWE-0006D1-7F; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:41:34 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdYWE-00026A-6C; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:41:34 +0200 +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:41:45 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly, Subject: Re: closing bug reports - <200610272026.k9RKQAW24960@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:41:45 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > > I don't think there are very many of these and I believe that > > all of them have already been posted to the mailing list. @@ -63286,47 +41539,11 @@ types in axiom. But I guess, all that won't happen in the near future. I'm quite depressed, I must confess. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYcw-00016m-D8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:48:30 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYcv-00016h-JK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:48:29 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYcs-00014Z-8Q - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:48:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYcs-00014F-2I - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:48:26 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.189] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYcr-0001UV-20 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:48:26 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so2054637nfa - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=Z5wvomf58QIXJQV+hwpZoHgGE6u/bePkJUiP+W443s4bHdjPKGvI3iYF3YrxLg0Y4rUoGuUeTky5++JfNcY9Ut1HNn9cKqIJNNfnW2YB6A3wP6/CJPbVgl71Uh6fFxls4p76aGb4jpdxKECn8lp7H0MYaFDMFJsyG8v1+ZJodf4= -Received: by 10.82.126.5 with SMTP id y5mr19885buc; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:48:23 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - -Cc: list > | Now make complains there is no X11/Xlib.h file. > @@ -63337,43 +41554,13 @@ Cc: list I think in Debian this is in the package: libx11-dev - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYhx-0005eQ-R2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:53:41 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYhw-0005eB-Ot - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:53:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYht-0005dQ-T7 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:53:40 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYht-0005dG-FY - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:53:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYht-0001uO-Gx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:53:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379274F3C7; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:23 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RKnPM0029724; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:49:27 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RKnP7J029723; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:49:25 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:49:24 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - <200610272021.k9RKLWZ24945@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:49:24 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > For me personally, autoconf support is more important than | > almost everything else, the reason being that I would really @@ -63408,45 +41595,13 @@ It most certainly is not going to answer those questions, but I believe it would lower the entry barrier to building Axiom (and possibly modifying it). And that is a Good Thing. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYj7-0005zI-Vn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYj6-0005yf-TW - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYj5-0005wl-C0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYj5-0005wX-92 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:51 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYj5-0002F9-AV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:54:51 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB4340F56; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:54:48 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RKoceg029728; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:40 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RKocjk029727; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:38 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:50:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - <200610272024.k9RKOLp24956@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:50:37 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > Diffing patches against Gold seems problematic to me. I | > would prefer for patches to be against Silver if possible. @@ -63466,45 +41621,13 @@ root Tim Daly writes: Because branches are goind to be made from silver, I believe most patches would be made against silver. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYqQ-00068B-AO - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYqN-00065k-Tp - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYqM-00064r-CV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYqM-00064l-9E - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYqL-00043S-PP - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F87241059; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:02:19 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RKwAAH030247; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:58:12 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RKwAOV030246; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:58:10 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:58:09 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - <200610272012.k9RKCnY24941@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 22:58:09 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -63529,44 +41652,11 @@ for me if the patches to silver were not one-time huge stuff. yeah, I know; that is why I plotting to drop it during summer vacations ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYqz-0006ZP-4F - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:03:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYqy-0006Ya-5G - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:03:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYqt-0006Th-0S - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYqs-0006TU-Pw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYqs-000468-6r - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:54 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdYqr-0006Wc-4P; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:02:53 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdYqr-0006fG-3H; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:02:53 +0200 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, Antoine Hersen -Subject: Re: Formal Power Series - <200610272021.k9RKLWZ24945@localhost.localdomain> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:03:06 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Ralf Hemmecke, Antoine Hersen +Subject: Re: Formal Power Series Dear Gaby, @@ -63590,7 +41680,6 @@ very nice closure properties. Many many functions that occur naturally satisfy an ADE when regarded as a formal power series. - Finally, there is my guessing package, which implements many features needed by gfun and mgfun. @@ -63602,46 +41691,10 @@ It would be great to put together these pieces to get something bigger. Don't you have a spare student who would be willing to make Axiom understand dependent types? You noticed the price I set? -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYsm-0007vV-R2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYsl-0007vL-LX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYsj-0007sK-AN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYsj-0007sE-3J - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:49 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYsi-0004PT-M5 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:04:48 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4205340F71; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:04:46 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RL0Zee030272; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:00:38 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RL0ZwB030271; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:00:35 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Martin Rubey - <200610272026.k9RKQAW24960@localhost.localdomain> - <9qlkn1xzhy.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:00:35 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Dependent types in Axiom Martin Rubey writes: @@ -63658,50 +41711,11 @@ support for dependent types in Axiom in the near future. cheer up, camarad. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYvr-0008Pv-17 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:08:03 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYvp-0008Pd-Pz - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:08:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdYvn-0008Om-Db - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:08:00 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdYvn-0008Oj-6n - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:07:59 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdYvm-0004fV-Sx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:07:59 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84514F3C6; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:07:44 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RL3lqR030300; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:03:49 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RL3lIG030299; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:03:47 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:03:47 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:03:47 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -63717,48 +41731,11 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: Aha, so you could have X11 stuff running but you need to install libx11-dev. Is that correct? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ5G-0004cd-LV - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:17:46 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ5F-0004cC-Fj - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:17:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ5D-0004ZL-NF - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:17:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZ5D-0004ZE-Ii - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:17:43 -0400 -Received: from [64.233.182.186] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZ5D-0005r5-9a - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:17:43 -0400 -Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so2067954nfa - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:17:42 -0700 (PDT) -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; - h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=hM8u8Essz8zaf8IWZxnEeumm3hgXD1PujqPWJJrlcy6RWfnBe78Fe2iWefiHm/XviqylBlzcy+DvArzBxETxP2eMuQLDk8aPVjYmsEAPB1iPYT5Jsd5qznY2ppP8/iutYu6qbGEuQdKbELwRfY01A1w9FnZGhqXSEXuLA406ZVo= -Received: by 10.82.126.19 with SMTP id y19mr37432buc; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:17:42 -0700 (PDT) -Received: by 10.82.177.7 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:17:41 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - - - -Cc: list On 27 Oct 2006 23:03:47 +0200, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -63778,31 +41755,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Exactly. :-). Happens to me on Ubuntu too. - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ81-0000cR-8g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:37 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ7y-0000ZA-Fx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:34 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ7v-0000TY-E8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:33 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZ7u-0000TB-TS - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:30 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZ7u-0006Rr-H3 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:30 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdZ74-0007SP-00; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:38 +0200 -Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver > > For me personally, autoconf support is more important than > > almost everything else, the reason being that I would really @@ -63860,54 +41817,17 @@ when they "just work" still require much more typing. And when something gets broken it is easier to apply quick fix to build-improvements then to gold/silver. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ9z-0001wf-Ta - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ9y-0001vP-Q6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZ9x-0001tc-32 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZ9w-0001tH-HZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.41.67] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) - (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZ9w-0008GY-A9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:36 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZ9u-000297-CN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:35 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id F104B68BF0; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:32 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id B1DAF68BDA; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:22:28 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="iso-8859-1" +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:20:37 -0400 -Thread-Topic: freeing Aldor (was: closing bug reports) -Thread-Index: Acb6CE9Hz5/BaKbwQpSEkvIkhV3RKwAAVWqw From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: freeing Aldor (was: closing bug reports) -Martin,=20 +Martin, On Friday, October 27, 2006 4:42 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> BTW, I think that issuetracker really needs one improvement:=20 +> ... +> BTW, I think that issuetracker really needs one improvement: > we need to be able to run old versions of axiom there. Many > many of the bug reports are strange to read, because the > examples provided don't fail anymore. @@ -63915,8 +41835,8 @@ On Friday, October 27, 2006 4:42 PM you wrote: Agreed. I have not found any easy way to do this nor enough time to do the necessary programming. -=20 -> Furthermore, it's high time to have something like Christian=20 + +> Furthermore, it's high time to have something like Christian > Aistleitners aldorunit package for axiom. > @@ -63930,10 +41850,10 @@ Both Aldor and SPAD have the equivalent of "docstrings" so this idea could be easily ported. (Perhaps doctest is similar to what aldorunit does? -> And of course, it's high time for a free aldor compiler, and=20 +> And of course, it's high time for a free aldor compiler, and > for dependent types in axiom. But I guess, all that won't > happen in the near future. ->=20 +> > I'm quite depressed, I must confess. > @@ -64034,8 +41954,6 @@ B=E1lint Jo=F3 Bill Naylor Cosmin Oancea --------- - No doubt many of the organizations affliated to these names will be far out of date. But in some cases current Axiom users and developers may still be on personal contact with their @@ -64047,47 +41965,12 @@ contact these people formerly (and some currently) associated with Aldor, I think that would be much better than just remaining depressed. :-) -Cheers, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZHk-0005T6-GJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:30:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZHh-0005Sd-Qv - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:30:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZHg-0005SP-D8 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:30:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZHg-0005SL-57 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:30:36 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZHg-0004tm-01 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:30:36 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AF440FAD; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:30:33 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RLQNRZ031026; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:26:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RLQNlO031025; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:26:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:26:22 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Formal Power Series - <200610272021.k9RKLWZ24945@localhost.localdomain> - - <9qpscdsc8l.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:26:22 +0200 -Cc: list, Sankara Muthukrishnan , - Xiaolong Tang +Cc: Sankara Muthukrishnan, Xiaolong Tang Martin Rubey writes: @@ -64137,52 +42020,11 @@ Yes. I cannot take it personnaly, but once I have a student for that topic, I'll contact you. Next spring, I'm giving a class on runtime systems, so I don't know yet. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZOw-00023d-1y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:38:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZOu-00020O-DN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:38:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZOt-0001yz-OW - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:38:03 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZOt-0001yi-El - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:38:03 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZOt-0007oI-Ck - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:38:03 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31E441059; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:38:00 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RLXpm4031077; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:33:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RLXpqC031076; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:33:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:33:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - - - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Oct 2006 23:33:50 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -64206,32 +42048,10 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: Okaaay. Did I say Linux distros are crazy? :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZpM-0003wS-Jr - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:05:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZpI-0003tK-Rq - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:05:20 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZpI-0003sy-CN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:05:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZpI-0003su-81 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:05:20 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZpH-0007X3-R9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:05:20 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdZoX-0001ug-00 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:04:33 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:04:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: viewport in build-improvements I have noticed that most viewports in build-imporvements is @@ -64247,48 +42067,16 @@ have '\r' while files in silver have '\n' in corresponding place). ATM this has no visible effect, since hypertex pages refering to viewports have wrong paths, but at some moment should be fixed. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZqM-0004T0-9b - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZqL-0004Sv-9s - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:25 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZqG-0004RH-SI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:24 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZqG-0004RE-G4 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:20 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZqG-0007kY-3D - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:20 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A7EBB68B51; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:19 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 14AB768B37; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:17 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:06:17 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb5+wHyDMKa2puRT2i2Zo+awSwmSgAFgovg From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On Friday, October 27, 2006 3:06 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote:=20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > If you are able to identify and annonate the chunks of this > > changeset that represent deletions, additions and those that > > need further discussion, I think that would be great. Except @@ -64302,7 +42090,7 @@ On Friday, October 27, 2006 3:06 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > > > I think that as a one-time syncing operation we should apply -> Tim's changes to /trunk (and Tim should look at the (very small)=20 +> Tim's changes to /trunk (and Tim should look at the (very small) > difference). Once Tim's changes are in /trunk your robot can > automatically update /trunk. > @@ -64330,7 +42118,7 @@ of changes. Updating /silver via axiom--silver--1 with patches from /trunk will not recreate very much of the history. But maybe this sort of revision history is not so important for the Axiom project? -=20 + > Summary of the diff: there are 23 changed files. > ... @@ -64341,43 +42129,12 @@ Thank you very much for your work on this! :-) For now, I propose that we wait and see what Tim manages to do do with his attempt to perform the merge into axiom--silver-1. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZzA-0000CR-Bf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:15:32 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZz7-0000AK-Pm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:15:30 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdZz4-00007T-J6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:15:28 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdZz3-00006m-09 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:15:25 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdZz2-0000Qv-Qh - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:15:25 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D855B4F3C9; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:15:09 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RMBCVS031964; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:11:14 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RMBCZf031963; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:11:12 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:11:08 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GIT -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:11:08 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill Page writes: @@ -64413,42 +42170,11 @@ I would like to see changes Tim makes to axiom--silver--1 sent to this list or to the axiom-commits list. That helps keeping track of the changes. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda1x-0001xB-G2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda1p-0001mc-KH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda1i-0001dv-Ay - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:12 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gda1h-0001cY-8e - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:09 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gda1g-0000nV-TJ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:09 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E8440E27; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:18:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RMDvS8031968; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:13:59 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RMDvSo031967; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:13:57 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:13:57 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:13:57 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -64471,53 +42197,22 @@ noticed). Do you think you have a spare cycle to backport Ralf's fixes to build-improvements? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda28-000286-Qj - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:36 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda1z-00020a-KL - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda1x-0001xR-IQ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:26 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gda1w-0001wn-Vp - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:25 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gda1w-0000qG-Qu - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:25 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 6AC3D68BDE; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:24 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A2A1768BC1; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:22 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: viewport in build-improvements Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:21 -0400 -Thread-Topic: viewport in build-improvements -Thread-Index: Acb6FAhfxC8pNXmSRfqETgtCyLwCGgAADEXg From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: viewport in build-improvements On Friday, October 27, 2006 6:05 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: ->=20 +> > I have noticed that most viewports in build-imporvements is > corrupted. Namely, viewports directories contain compressed > bitmaps. Trying to decompress them produces messuge like: ->=20 -> zcat:=20 +> +> zcat: > build-improvements/src/hyper/viewports/AssortedGraphicsExample > Page1.VIEW/image.bm.Z: corrupt input. ->=20 +> > Corresponding files in silver decompress OK. Have you compared these files in SVN /trunk and the new /silver? @@ -64535,11 +42230,11 @@ Yes, this is a known problem. Ralf Hemmecke posted the changes to /trunk to correct this problem. It is necessary to correctly set the properties in svn so that the files are not mangled. ->=20 +> > ATM this has no visible effect, since hypertex pages refering > to viewports have wrong paths, but at some moment should be > fixed. ->=20 +> I think it is a good example of the kind of patch that should be "backported" into build-improvements as Gaby suggested in a previous @@ -64548,50 +42243,19 @@ Axiom4Sage package that I just created for Sage users. But this is not critical since hyperdoc is not normally used through the Sage interface. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda7K-00072L-4N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda7I-000705-KP - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gda7G-0006y7-Hx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gda7G-0006xi-57 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:54 -0400 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gda7G-0001ml-3f - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:54 -0400 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 7164268B84; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:53 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 4A9BF68BFA; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:52 -0400 (EDT) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: RE: GIT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:23:53 -0400 -Thread-Topic: GIT -Thread-Index: Acb6FWxDBFXaP+/vShus6FmdqWKFYQAAJiOw From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: GIT +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On Friday, October 27, 2006 6:11 PM Gaby wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > I would like to see changes Tim makes to axiom--silver--1 sent to > this list or to the axiom-commits list. That helps keeping track -> of the changes.=20 ->=20 +> of the changes. +> With the Tailor in place, I think this will automatically happen. Tailor creates the necessary commits and applies them to /silver. @@ -64602,43 +42266,12 @@ commands and setting up the robot script last night? Or did you have something else in mind? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaID-0008BJ-0W - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:35:13 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaIA-00088y-PC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:35:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaI9-00087D-0W - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:35:10 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdaI8-00086y-QE - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:35:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.105] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdaI8-0004QR-PN - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:35:08 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D0C40E27; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:35:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RMUuQu032395; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:30:58 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RMUukx032394; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:30:56 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:30:56 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: Re: GIT -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:30:56 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Bill Page writes: @@ -64666,39 +42299,11 @@ I received copies of all the changes you made last night. no, if you've set a robot in place to notify of the changes, then that is perfect! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaJx-0000pG-L5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:37:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaJv-0000nG-CH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:36:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaJt-0000kr-J6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:36:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdaJt-0000kh-1M - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:36:57 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdaJs-0004Zi-SG - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:36:57 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9RMap32026712 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:36:51 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:38:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: sourceforge/silver - -Cc: list > What I know for sure is that I have five students who all have hard > time with Axiom silver and I had to give them @@ -64707,42 +42312,11 @@ Cc: list What exactly is the goal of the formal power series group? -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaWO-0006hv-GJ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:49:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaWO-0006hb-1A - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:49:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdaWM-0006gZ-JK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:49:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdaWM-0006gV-Fd - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:49:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.105] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdaWM-0005cc-Hl - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:49:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFF94F3C0 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:49:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RMjc1j032604 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:45:40 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RMjcQ2032603; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:45:38 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:45:38 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Re: def.lisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:45:38 +0200 Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -64774,30 +42348,10 @@ Built and tested on an x86-suse-linux. (thesymb "/int/interp/metameta.lisp") --- 192,197 ---- - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdaci-0003zF-0c - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:56:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdacg-0003z5-EZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:56:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdace-0003x3-4F - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:56:21 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdace-0003wy-1j - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:56:20 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdacd-0006N3-2p - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:56:19 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gdabr-0006el-00 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:55:31 +0200 -To: list Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:55:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: paths to viewport in build-improvements I looked at hypertex pages and AFAICS I can use a simple sed script @@ -64822,48 +42376,11 @@ The same issue of sharing affect hypertex pages: currently they use '$AXIOM/share/hypertex/pages', which conflicts with sharing, while '$AXIOM/../share/hypertex/pages' would allow it. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdaim-0006ST-U2 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:02:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdail-0006Pd-I4 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:02:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdaik-0006Ny-IH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:02:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdaik-0006Np-FK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:02:38 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdaij-0007jN-Sx - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:02:38 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7092940F59 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:02:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RMwQpc000596 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:28 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RMwQAP000595; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:26 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 28 Oct 2006 00:58:26 +0200 -Subject: [build-improvements] Update to recent - GCL-2.6.8pre CVS - -Hi, +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS This patchlet updates GCL to the most recent version of GCL-2.6.8pre (as of yesterday night, central time). It also has us stop applying @@ -64962,40 +42479,11 @@ zips/ - (funcall system::*old-top-level*)) --- 0 ---- - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gday2-0002J3-6H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:18:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdaxx-0002FG-GC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:18:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdaxt-0002AF-U6 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:18:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdaxr-00029M-En - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:18:16 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdaxr-0001Ad-5T - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:18:15 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249F04F3C1; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:18:14 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9RNE3Mt000798; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:14:05 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9RNE3CM000797; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:14:03 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 01:14:02 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 01:14:02 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -65038,33 +42526,11 @@ should be installed in $libexec.) As for the files, Ralf did the correct thing in setting the properties. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdcM8-0007rC-Ov - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:47:24 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdcM6-0007p4-Ho - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:47:22 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdcM3-0007mW-8z - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:47:20 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdcM3-0007mQ-2D - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:47:19 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdcM2-0003BI-Vo - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:47:19 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdcLF-0003f0-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:46:29 +0200 -Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:46:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements > On Friday, October 27, 2006 6:05 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > @@ -65090,46 +42556,11 @@ I run diff on the checked out trees and it reported no differences of binary files. I also looked at output of 'svn proplist --verbose' and it looks OK. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcmo-0005KV-HH - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:14:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcmm-0005HE-Cl - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:14:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcmh-00059N-CK - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:14:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdcmh-00059G-5p - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:14:51 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdcmh-0007QJ-2G - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:14:51 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S1EXU7028107 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:14:42 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28474 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:14:34 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 28 Oct 2006 01:14:34 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S14sT25164; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:04:54 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:04:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 00:45:38 +0200) Subject: Re: def.lisp - -Cc: list Gaby, @@ -65166,43 +42597,11 @@ Since we do not have a reliable test suite with sufficient coverage means that we cannot claim that "it works to remove it". We need to understand why it occurs and then show that it does no harm to remove it. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcoj-0007N0-UM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:58 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcoi-0007KG-83 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcog-0007Hq-Ci - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdcog-0007Hd-82 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdcog-0007gG-24 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:54 -0400 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S1GbjP010287 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:16:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 28261 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:16:37 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 28 Oct 2006 01:16:37 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S16v125168; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:06:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:06:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:55:31 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements -Cc: list > If we agree that last part of '$AXIOM' corresponds to architecture specific > subdirectory, then also '$AXIOM/../share/viewports' would allow sharing. @@ -65212,44 +42611,11 @@ It is possible to copy $AXIOM anywhere and get a complete system. The $OBJ/$SYS is the architecture specific directory. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcr1-0000gq-22 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcqz-0000ex-Cf - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:17 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcqx-0000dG-Kr - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdcqx-0000cw-Bn - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:15 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdcqx-0007vy-8W - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:15 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S1JABO030089 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:19:10 -0400 -Received: (qmail 4979 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:19:11 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 28 Oct 2006 01:19:11 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S19VY25172; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:09:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:09:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 00:58:26 +0200) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent - GCL-2.6.8pre CVS -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS > This patchlet updates GCL to the most recent version of GCL-2.6.8pre > (as of yesterday night, central time). It also has us stop applying @@ -65257,7 +42623,6 @@ Cc: list > code it touches had been slightly reworked. Consequently, I remove > the patch altogether. - The comment reads: - This patch turns off the banner display every time GCL starts. @@ -65272,34 +42637,11 @@ lisp systems. Why remove the patch instead of fixing it? -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcsv-0001qq-Im - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:21:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcsu-0001pi-CH - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:21:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdcst-0001pC-Ih - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:21:15 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdcst-0001or-B0 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:21:15 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdcss-0008Bb-Jz - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:21:15 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gdcs6-0004q1-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:20:26 +0200 -Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:20:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Do you think you have a spare cycle to backport Ralf's fixes to @@ -65334,49 +42676,11 @@ There is also corrupted binary src/share/algebra/libaxiom.al, but it is unused and probably out of date (it is my next candidate for deletion, but it fate can be discussed later), so I would leave it alone. - -OK to go on? - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddJ5-0006re-1Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:48:19 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddJ4-0006rZ-0r - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:48:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddJ2-0006qb-Rm - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:48:17 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GddJ2-0006qW-LC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:48:16 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GddJ2-0003Rl-Ms - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:48:16 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S1mBP9011305 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:48:11 -0400 -Received: (qmail 25997 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 01:48:12 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 28 Oct 2006 01:48:12 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S1cWa25201; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:38:32 -0400 +\start Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:38:32 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 00:45:38 +0200) Subject: Re: def.lisp - -Cc: list > > | Tim -- @@ -65388,9 +42692,6 @@ Cc: list This patch is incorrect and should be removed. - - - It turns out that (see lines 152, 154of the build-interpsys function in util.lisp) there are lists of functions which will trigger autoloading of files for a specific purpose. @@ -65407,11 +42708,6 @@ Thus Axiom changes itself at runtime. You have to be very careful what macros exist, what the environment is, and what the definitions of the autoloaded functions are. - - - - - There is a list of functions (see line 357 of util.lisp) that will trigger autoloading of files which include def.lisp. These files are the functions needed to translate boot code to common lisp. @@ -65434,68 +42730,20 @@ that get loaded even if the reasons are not obvious, preserving the symbols that get defined because the compiler dynamically constructs symbols, etc. - - - - - Nothing in Axiom is simple, functions get redefined "on the fly" (this is also how algebra works), symbols get redefined, results get cached. It's all highly optimized and extremely self-modifying. And it all has to be checked in detail before going gold. - - - - - It is very easy to break things and very hard to find and debug them. -t - - - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddNW-0001C4-8t - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:52:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddNV-0001Bp-4y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:52:53 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddNS-0001Av-Lw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:52:52 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GddNS-0001As-Iw - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:52:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GddNS-00040f-HY - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:52:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4604F3B0; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:52:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S1mbGn002576; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:48:40 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S1mbSL002575; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:48:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 03:48:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: def.lisp - - <200610280104.k9S14sT25164@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 03:48:37 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Gaby, | @@ -65578,42 +42826,11 @@ coverrage :-) [if you feel like you need to say something about "it should just work", please resist :-)] --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddOc-0002pp-E9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddOb-0002nr-9y - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:01 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddOa-0002n5-QR - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:01 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GddOa-0002mt-Mu - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:00 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GddOa-00045b-Ol - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:54:00 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE864F3CA; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:53:57 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S1nmF0002580; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:49:50 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S1nmZu002579; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:49:48 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 03:49:48 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 03:49:48 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -65657,45 +42874,13 @@ Yes! Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddWx-00087A-2n - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:02:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddWu-00086u-Qa - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:02:36 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddWs-00086P-4G - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:02:35 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GddWr-00086M-UZ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:02:33 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GddWr-00058o-Fa - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:02:33 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35E84F3A4; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:30 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S1wL2T002678; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:58:23 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S1wLrq002677; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 03:58:21 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 03:58:20 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements - <200610280106.k9S16v125168@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 03:58:20 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > If we agree that last part of '$AXIOM' corresponds to architecture specific | > subdirectory, then also '$AXIOM/../share/viewports' would allow sharing. @@ -65708,46 +42893,13 @@ standard build framework: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Directory-Variables --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddbZ-0000p6-Q5 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:07:25 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddbX-0000n1-4Z - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:07:23 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddbV-0000mk-Pg - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:07:22 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GddbV-0000mh-KI - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:07:21 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GddbV-0005cv-91 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:07:21 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14B94F3C6; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:07:18 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S239kS002701; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:03:11 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S239vf002700; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:03:09 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent - GCL-2.6.8pre CVS - <200610280109.k9S19VY25172@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Oct 2006 04:03:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > This patchlet updates GCL to the most recent version of GCL-2.6.8pre | > (as of yesterday night, central time). It also has us stop applying @@ -65778,46 +42930,13 @@ patching GCL. If we have an issue with GCL, we should fix it *upstream*, not in Axiom. Ideally, whether we build GCL or we use system-wide installed GCL should be imaterial. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gddev-0003W0-9N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:53 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gddeu-0003VA-AO - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:52 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gddes-0003Uv-9u - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:51 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gddes-0003Us-3W - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:50 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdder-0005yA-SC - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:10:50 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EA640ED6; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:10:47 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S26bGG002838; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:06:39 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S26bDq002837; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:06:37 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 04:06:37 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: def.lisp - - <200610280138.k9S1cWa25201@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 04:06:37 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -65835,45 +42954,11 @@ What am I missing? Please, that is tiresome and not helpful. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddwT-0005WG-Et - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:29:01 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddwR-0005UT-NX - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:28:59 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GddwQ-0005T2-14 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:28:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GddwP-0005Sz-Qy - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:28:57 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GddwP-0001iK-QV - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:28:57 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S2Sjes031315 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:28:45 -0400 -Received: (qmail 15256 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 02:28:45 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 28 Oct 2006 02:28:45 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S2J6g25242; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:19:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:19:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 03:58:20 +0200) Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements - <200610280106.k9S16v125168@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | > If we agree that last part of '$AXIOM' corresponds to architecture specific > | > subdirectory, then also '$AXIOM/../share/viewports' would allow sharing. @@ -65895,56 +42980,15 @@ case 1 is clearly the current design and obviously not going to happen. will case 2 work on MACOSX and FreeBSD? - - - whatever choices get made PLEASE don't put a .. in the path. - -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeHj-00017V-F4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:59 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeHi-00016x-OB - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeHh-00016Z-8r - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdeHh-00016W-0v - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:57 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdeHg-0003Rf-BQ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:50:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670ED4F399; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:50:52 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S2khH2003437; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:46:45 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S2khCV003436; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:46:43 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 04:46:43 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements - <200610280106.k9S16v125168@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610280219.k9S2J6g25242@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 04:46:43 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | > If we agree that last part of '$AXIOM' corresponds to architecture specific | > | > subdirectory, then also '$AXIOM/../share/viewports' would allow sharing. @@ -65985,46 +43029,11 @@ put them, but what they do is correct because what happens it that the (Currently, the final $AXIOM is two subdirectories under $prefix, but one should not count on that) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeKR-00028J-IW - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:47 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeKQ-00026R-9k - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeKP-00025H-En - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:45 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdeKP-000255-8h - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:45 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdeKP-0003ep-AS - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:45 -0400 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S2rd0L009248 - for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:53:39 -0400 -Received: (qmail 21351 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 02:53:40 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 28 Oct 2006 02:53:40 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S2i0q25263; - Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:44:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:44:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 04:06:37 +0200) Subject: Re: def.lisp - - <200610280138.k9S1cWa25201@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list > | It turns out that (see lines 152, 154of the build-interpsys function > | in util.lisp) there are lists of functions which will trigger @@ -66039,10 +43048,6 @@ after the build system is gone. This can be done by user commands. So the files need to be available at runtime but are not normally used except by developers so they are autoloaded. - - - - > | This is why I say it is much harder to change axiom than it appears. > > Please, that is tiresome and not helpful. @@ -66051,50 +43056,13 @@ and also true. every line of code in axiom was written for a reason. some lines MAY not be used anymore. proving code is dead is hard. saying so IS tiresome but this example makes the point. -t - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeXP-00087l-Gs - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:07:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeXN-00087g-Qt - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:07:09 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdeXL-000877-9M - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:07:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdeXL-000872-4X - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:07:07 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdeXK-0005ym-O9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:07:06 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7DE40F45; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:07:03 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S32sEF003568; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:02:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S32sJF003567; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:02:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 05:02:54 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: def.lisp - - <200610280138.k9S1cWa25201@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610280244.k9S2i0q25263@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 05:02:54 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | It turns out that (see lines 152, 154of the build-interpsys function | > | in util.lisp) there are lists of functions which will trigger @@ -66136,35 +43104,13 @@ by user) without going through parsing. Oh, I would not have guessed ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdejd-0000tm-5r - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:49 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdeja-0000sj-ER - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:46 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdejY-0000s0-Kc - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:46 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdejY-0000rp-C9 - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:44 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdejY-0006fP-7h - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:44 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gdeik-0008VF-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:18:54 +0200 -Subject: Re: def.lisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:18:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: def.lisp -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | > | It turns out that (see lines 152, 154of the build-interpsys function > | > | in util.lisp) there are lists of functions which will trigger @@ -66197,41 +43143,11 @@ parse trees and then calls translator to output Aldor. ATM both are very unlikely to happen, but hardcoding in translator dependence on parser looks bad. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdekv-0001Hq-6B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:21:09 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdekt-0001HU-4A - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:21:07 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdekq-0001HI-Ii - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:21:05 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdekq-0001HF-EJ - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:21:04 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdekp-0006n5-7q - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:21:03 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9S3Ks32002696 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:20:54 +0200 +\start Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:22:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -Cc: list > Ralf fixes are revisions 136 and 137 on SF /trunk. I tried to > use @@ -66254,48 +43170,15 @@ To make it what I did, I included my commands in /trunk/axiom/ChangLog (date 2006-09-13 and 2006-09-14). I must have thought that these commands might be useful in the future. ;-) -That should help. - -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdf5I-0005kQ-Cn - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:42:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdf5G-0005iA-AR - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:42:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdf5B-0005dF-OL - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:42:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdf5B-0005d4-GF - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:42:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdf5B-0001tP-FW - for list; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:42:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420C940F59; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:42:02 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9S3bqCi003943; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:37:54 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9S3bqv5003942; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:37:52 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 05:37:52 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: def.lisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 05:37:52 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: -| > root Tim Daly writes: +| > Tim Daly writes: | > | > | > | It turns out that (see lines 152, 154of the build-interpsys function | > | > | in util.lisp) there are lists of functions which will trigger @@ -66353,33 +43236,11 @@ agreed in principle; however notice The function |tr| from util.lisp appears to be in the air, along with "tr" from wi1.boot. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdfil-0004BK-Tx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:23:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdfik-00048W-6Y - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:22:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdfii-00044O-Eo - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:22:57 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdfii-000441-29 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:22:56 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdfih-0007U8-TM - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:22:56 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1Gdfhu-0001mU-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:22:06 +0200 -Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:22:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > To make it what I did, I included my commands in /trunk/axiom/ChangLog @@ -66396,46 +43257,11 @@ on '*.daase' files, but I think that may files on your list are in fact text files. I corrected all files which were corrupted except for 'libaxiom.al'. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdfoX-0000zB-6m - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdfoW-0000wV-0r - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:56 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdfoU-0000tB-8X - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:55 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdfoU-0000t8-4T - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:54 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdfoU-0000QC-4D - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:54 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S4Sd5k008907 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:47 -0400 -Received: (qmail 3154 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 04:28:40 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Waldek Hebisch; 28 Oct 2006 04:28:40 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9S4J1f25329; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:19:01 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:19:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 05:37:52 +0200) Subject: Re: def.lisp - -Cc: list > | In principle "user" can type-in parse tree by hand and call the translator. > | More realistically, one can add code which directly generates Spad like @@ -66447,33 +43273,11 @@ memory fails me about why these are separated and i'm busy merging axiom--silver--1 and the old trunk so i can't pursue the possible cases in the aldor code. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdgCS-0001Uw-Th - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:53:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdgCQ-0001UK-U5 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:53:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdgCQ-0001U8-EG - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:53:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdgCQ-0001U5-CF - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:53:38 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdgCQ-0004nv-6l - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:53:38 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdgBe-0006h9-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:52:50 +0200 -Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:52:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -66533,46 +43337,11 @@ diff -ru build-improvements.bb/src/hyper/Makefile.pamphlet build-improvements/sr rm -f ht.db ; \ rm -f *~ ; \ --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdlDE-0001Hv-9K - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:14:48 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdlDB-0001H7-PF - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:14:45 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdlDA-0001GV-Fo - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:14:44 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdlDA-0001GP-9r - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:14:44 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdlDA-00031H-37 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:14:44 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D914F3C0; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:14:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1GdlD7-00055Z-7x; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:14:41 +0200 +\start +Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:14:41 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux. - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:14:41 +0200 -Cc: list Hello Gabriel and everybody. @@ -66592,53 +43361,18 @@ headers files for x11 and xt packages. I began to compile 2 hours ago and the main make works without complains. -Francois - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdlVA-00066c-DR - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:33:20 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdlV8-00066N-FG - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:33:18 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdlV7-00066B-Su - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:33:18 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdlV7-000668-NL - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:33:17 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdlV7-0005P8-68 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:33:17 -0400 -Received: from petoncle (fmaltey.net0.nerim.net [213.41.170.4]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A712440E31; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:33:15 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from fmy by petoncle with local (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Francois Maltey) - id 1GdlV4-0005SN-Qp; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:33:14 +0200 -To: Francois Maltey -Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux (libXpm.a not at - the right place) - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <87lkn0g31q.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Francois Maltey +\start Date: 28 Oct 2006 12:33:14 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Francois Maltey +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux (libXpm.a not at the right place) > On my debian testing I have X11/gnome running but I must install > headers files for x11 and xt packages. ->=20 +> > apt-get install libx11-dev > apt-get install libxt-dev ->=20 +> > I began to compile 2 hours ago and the main make works without complains. But I get a new error. The file isn't in the right place. @@ -66647,16 +43381,16 @@ I add apt-get install libxpm-dev and get a new error. The makefile of viewman is looking for a /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a file but this file is in /usr/lib/libXpm.a. -ls -l /usr/lib/libXpm.a=20 +ls -l /usr/lib/libXpm.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86648 2006-08-30 23:15 /usr/lib/libXpm.a -Where must I add a $I or $L option in order to force axiom to look=20 +Where must I add a $I or $L option in order to force axiom to look at the right place ? make[3]: entrant dans le r=C3=A9pertoire =C2=AB /usr/local/axiom-local/src/= graph =C2=BB 1 making /usr/local/axiom-local/src/graph/viewman -make[4]: entrant dans le r=C3=A9pertoire=20 +make[4]: entrant dans le r=C3=A9pertoire =C2=AB /usr/local/axiom-local/src/graph/viewman =C2=BB 1 linking /usr/local/axiom-local/mnt/linux/lib/viewman gcc: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a: Aucun fichier ou r=C3=A9pertoire de ce type @@ -66673,32 +43407,11 @@ make[1]: *** [srcdir] Erreur 2 make[1]: quittant le r=C3=A9pertoire =C2=AB /usr/local/axiom-local =C2=BB make: *** [all] Erreur 2 - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdnBR-00030b-VB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:21:06 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdnBQ-000305-0F - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:21:04 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdnBN-0002zZ-DY - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:21:02 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdnBN-0002zW-5W - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:21:01 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdnBM-0006BC-Uq - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:21:01 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdnAa-0002lF-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:12 +0200 -Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux (libXpm.a not at - the right place) -To: Francois Maltey Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux (libXpm.a not at the right place) [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > On my debian testing I have X11/gnome running but I must install @@ -66727,54 +43440,11 @@ ago). For quick fix I just edited Makefile.pamphlet changing all ocurences of XLIB=/usr/X11R6/lib to XLIB=/usr/lib (only one is used, but for it was faster to chage all). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdnr9-0003DI-1d - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:04:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdnr6-0003BG-EZ - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:04:08 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdnr3-0003AC-Sp - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:04:07 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdnr3-00039d-96 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:04:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdnr2-0003Qy-Lv - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:04:04 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACE64F407; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:03:55 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SCxoNw010220; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:59:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SCxo2C010219; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:59:50 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Francois Maltey -Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux (libXpm.a not at - the right place) - - <87k62la7nc.fsf@nerim.fr> - <200610271913.k9RJDU324808@localhost.localdomain> - <87fyd9a7d5.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <877iyla5to.fsf@nerim.fr> - - <87lkn0g31q.fsf@nerim.fr> <87zmbgenmd.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 28 Oct 2006 14:59:50 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: axiom-silverbranch for linux (libXpm.a not at the right place) Francois Maltey writes: @@ -66812,42 +43482,11 @@ can also add -L/usr/lib to LDFLAGS if you really want to be sure. Add "-L/usr/lib" --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdo79-0005Gy-E6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:43 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdo77-0005GF-P6 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:41 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdo73-0005FV-9n - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:41 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdo73-0005FS-2E - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdo72-0006Po-V5 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5167E40F45; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:20:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SDGNtx010448; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:16:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SDGNm3010447; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:16:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:16:23 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:16:23 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -66918,48 +43557,11 @@ For portability, please write the above as Ditto. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdoKg-0002qd-E4 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:34:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdoKe-0002ne-8j - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:34:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdoKb-0002jZ-Uy - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:34:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdoKb-0002jD-Hw - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:34:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdoKb-0008NN-EC - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:34:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8A640F45 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:34:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SDUNpi010554 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:30:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SDUNID010553; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:30:23 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:30:23 +0200 -Subject: [build-improvements] Espace Lisp Esapce character - in newfort.boot - - -Hi, +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] Espace Lisp Esapce character in newfort.boot This patchlet fixes a thinko in src/interp/newfort.boot. The short explanation is that the use of "!" does not math the @@ -67004,41 +43606,11 @@ this when translating newfort.boot with bootsys (new Boot translator). $insideCompileBodyIfTrue: local := false interpret([fun,["QUOTE",name],coercion]) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdoLw-0004iF-4g - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:36:00 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdoLu-0004h9-Hi - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:35:58 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdoLt-0004fT-00 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:35:58 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdoLs-0004fM-Nj - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:35:56 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdoLs-0000ED-Iq - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:35:56 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA624F3D7; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:35:46 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SDVg9p010652; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:31:44 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SDVg5g010651; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:31:42 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:31:42 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 15:31:42 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -67050,46 +43622,13 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: I forgot to add: Please, send a new patch to the list with ChangeLog entry. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdp9Y-0002I8-9T - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:16 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdp9R-0002AP-WF - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdp9N-00025C-F9 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdp9N-000253-Az - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:05 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdp9N-0007uZ-97 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:05 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132AA4F3F5; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:26:55 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SEMpZn011130; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:22:53 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SEMp5u011129; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:22:51 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:22:50 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: def.lisp - - <200610280419.k9S4J1f25329@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:22:50 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > | In principle "user" can type-in parse tree by hand and call the translator. | > | More realistically, one can add code which directly generates Spad like @@ -67133,58 +43672,32 @@ installed. Here is a documentation committed to build-improvements. # These are autloaded old parser files OPOBJS= ${AUTO}/parsing.$(OBJEXT) ${AUTO}/bootlex.$(OBJEXT) \ - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdpMA-0004Ly-FB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:40:18 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdpM8-0004Jo-Nh - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:40:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdpM7-0004Ij-Ng - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:40:16 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdpM7-0004IT-Iw - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:40:15 -0400 -Received: from [80.12.242.1] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdpM7-0001zm-57 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:40:15 -0400 -Received: from ALille-251-1-16-237.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-16-237.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.158.237]) - by mwinf1906.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E8D721C00086; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:40:12 +0200 (CEST) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:40:25 +0200 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: $erase (Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [209] trunk3) +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: $erase (Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) -Le jeudi 26 octobre 2006 =E0 22:23 -0700, billpage@users.sourceforge.net = -a -=E9crit : > Revision: 209 -> http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=3D209&view=3Drev +> http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev9&view=rev > Author: billpage > Date: 2006-10-26 22:23:36 -0700 (Thu, 26 Oct 2006) ->=20 +> [...] > 20060906 cxm src/interp/nlib.lisp (and (directory filearg... -> 20060901 tpd src/interp/nlib.lisp (probe-file =3D> (directory (truename ->=20 +> 20060901 tpd src/interp/nlib.lisp (probe-file => (directory (truename +> > Original author: Tim Daly > Date: 2006-10-24 21:52:10-04:00 [...] > Modified: trunk3/trunk3/src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +> ========================= +========================== +================== > --- trunk3/trunk3/src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet 2006-10-27 04:37:59 UTC= (rev 208) > +++ trunk3/trunk3/src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet 2006-10-27 05:23:36 UTC= @@ -67192,7 +43705,7 @@ a > @@ -473,10 +473,24 @@ > (some #'(lambda (ft) (make-input-filename file-name ft)) > filetypelist))) -> =20 +> > +@ > +Apparently probe-file cannot properly handle directories and > +treat them as regular files so we need to change the test from: @@ -67206,7 +43719,7 @@ a > +Camm feels that we should be testing for null so the code has > +again been changed to reflect that. And since truename was > +the previous change we wrap it around the make-full-namestring call. -> +<<*>>=3D +> +<<*>>= > ;; ($ERASE filearg) -> 0 if succeeds else 1 > (defun $erase (&rest filearg) > - (setq filearg (make-full-namestring filearg)) @@ -67275,9 +43788,9 @@ Axiom, do what you want with it (directoryp can be rewritten in Greg -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +==================== (directory "/home/greg/Axiom/te") returns for me: (#p"/home/greg/Axiom/test1.ao" #p"/home/greg/Axiom/test1.as" @@ -67291,76 +43804,22 @@ Greg note that there is no te directory nor te file. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqKk-0003ci-C8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqKj-0003cd-FN - for list; 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- Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:33:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:33:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 28 Oct 2006 15:30:23 +0200) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Espace Lisp Esapce - character in newfort.boot -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Espace Lisp Esapce character in newfort.boot ah. i should learn to read ALL my mail before replying. perhaps you should include this email explanation in the source file comments. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqXI-000769-Et - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:55:52 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqXH-00074J-Bg - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:55:51 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqXC-0006qm-DC - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:55:50 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdqXC-0006qG-2n - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:55:46 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdqXB-0005kr-Ve - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:55:46 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdqWO-0001Og-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:54:56 +0200 -Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:54:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Please add in the main pamphlet file, an explanation of why we need @@ -67468,50 +43927,13 @@ diff -ru build-improvements.bb/src/hyper/Makefile.pamphlet build-improvements/sr rm -f *~ ; \ - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdqmr-0005kS-Sf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:11:57 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdqmq-0005ik-8u - for list; 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The reason has nothing to do with chunk or latex, but with Boot. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqqE-0008Vd-7y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:15:26 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqqC-0008VG-AN - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:15:24 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdqqB-0008Uy-11 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:15:23 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdqqA-0008Uo-R5 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:15:22 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdqqA-0000w2-Nj - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:15:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65E040E22; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:15:20 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SGB8am012524; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:11:10 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SGB8s6012523; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:11:08 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Espace Lisp Esapce - character in newfort.boot - <200610281533.k9SFX0J25915@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:11:08 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Espace Lisp Esapce character in newfort.boot -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | perhaps you should include this email explanation in the | source file comments. @@ -67574,43 +43963,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: I'm currently expanding on the documentation of Boot, and that includes this particular case. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdqyy-0003Bk-BD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:24:28 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdqyx-0003B1-4Q - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:24:27 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdqyu-00038B-0D - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:24:25 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdqys-00037j-Ug - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:24:23 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.17.106] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdqys-00027J-Pd - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:24:22 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768C74F3C3; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:24:11 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SGK8xt012838; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:20:10 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SGK80d012837; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:20:08 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:20:08 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: paths to viewport in build-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 18:20:08 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -67641,37 +43998,11 @@ s/directiries/directories/ | + ${HTADD} *.ht *.pht | +\end{verbatim} -Great! - -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdrXz-0004JJ-JE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:00:39 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdrXx-0004IZ-UE - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:00:38 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdrXt-0004HC-Dd - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:00:37 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdrXt-0004H7-30 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:00:33 -0400 -Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdrXs-0007oi-G1 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:00:32 -0400 -Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 - (Debian)) id 1GdrX1-0005Kt-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:59:39 +0200 -Subject: Re: def.lisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:59:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: def.lisp Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > In util.lisp, oldParserAutoloadOnceTrigger seems not to have been @@ -67694,47 +44025,11 @@ of the same name). IMHO this is strong indication that 'tr' is unused -- possibly 'tr' is intended as debugging helper (but more likely it was just forgotten). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdrri-00078h-6s - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:21:02 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdrrg-00077I-F8 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:21:00 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdrrd-00074Z-S5 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:20:59 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdrrd-00074J-Fx - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:20:57 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdrrc-0002kv-26 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:20:57 -0400 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9SHKnhu007201 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:20:53 -0400 -Received: (qmail 32342 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 17:20:49 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 28 Oct 2006 17:20:49 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9SHB4p26004; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:11:04 -0400 +\start Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:11:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch - Hebisch on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:59:39 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: def.lisp - J_CHICKENPOX_44 -Cc: list > > In util.lisp, oldParserAutoloadOnceTrigger seems not to have been > > called: @@ -67770,45 +44065,11 @@ by typing: which is what we usually did. The correct behavior would be to recover these "hidden" commands and document them. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdrto-0000tV-O9 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:23:12 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdrtn-0000sv-Ol - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:23:11 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdrtl-0000rJ-5B - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:23:11 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdrtk-0000rB-P1 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:23:08 -0400 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdrtk-0002x8-Md - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:23:08 -0400 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9SHN4eN015703 - for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:23:04 -0400 -Received: (qmail 5861 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2006 17:16:21 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 28 Oct 2006 17:16:21 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9SH6aH25998; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:06:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:06:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:40:25 +0200) -Subject: Re: $erase (Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [209] trunk3) - <1162046425.2966.63.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list, axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net +Subject: Re: $erase (Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) > Grrr... you broke my code... and you introduced some bugs :-) > @@ -67868,9 +44129,6 @@ keeping them local until I ran tests and released them. It was argued that the silver patches should be public and I followed the consensus, putting up axiom--silver--1 - - - The correct way to handle this change is to find all of the places where any filename assumptions are made, understand what the correct behavior is, and change @@ -67878,45 +44136,13 @@ every location that is wrong. This has to happen before the changes go into Gold which is planned for the end of november. Any help with that effort would be apprciated. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdsnQ-0005FF-S0 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdsnP-0005EZ-3s - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:39 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdsnO-0005E8-85 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:38 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdsnN-0005E1-Mt - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:37 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GdsnN-0005jg-Fj - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:20:37 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1BC40F05; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:20:35 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SIGMcc014464; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:16:25 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SIGMoC014463; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:16:22 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 28 Oct 2006 20:16:22 +0200 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: def.lisp - <200610281711.k9SHB4p26004@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Oct 2006 20:16:22 +0200 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -67934,47 +44160,13 @@ root Tim Daly writes: when you do that, which "tr" do you expect to be called and why? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdsrn-00074V-Uw - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:25:11 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdsrm-00074G-Hs - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:25:10 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdsrk-00073R-Vm - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:25:09 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdsrk-00073N-QU - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:25:08 -0400 -Received: from [62.4.16.106] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdsrk-0006kt-NQ - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:25:08 -0400 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855E340E31; - Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:25:06 +0200 (CEST) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9SIKstf014561; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:20:56 +0200 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9SIKs1C014560; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:20:54 +0200 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] $erase (Re: SF.net SVN: - axiom: [209] trunk3) - <1162046425.2966.63.camel@ellipse> - <200610281706.k9SH6aH25998@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Oct 2006 20:20:54 +0200 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] $erase (Re: SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -67992,7 +44184,6 @@ I suspect he's aware of that. And that is a good thing. And, you get testing for free :-) - The amazing thing about making codes public as quick as possible is that there are people out there with "spare eyes" that can uncover mistakes very quickly. That is reason why we're insisting you make @@ -68001,40 +44192,10 @@ your "to-be-gold" public is as soon as possible. Personally, I'm glad that people here report how I break their codes, so I can fix them. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdtOE-0000rL-Ax - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:58:42 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdtOC-0000or-I2 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:58:40 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdtO9-0000kq-O5 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:58:39 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdtO9-0000kM-DE - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:58:37 -0400 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdtO9-0004qv-Bn - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:58:37 -0400 -Received: from joan.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.110] helo=joan.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdtO4-0006k9-Pn; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:58:32 +0200 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GdtO4-0004DB-MO; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:58:32 +0200 -To: Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Oct 2006 20:58:51 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: freeing Aldor (was: closing bug reports) Dear Bill, @@ -68087,37 +44248,10 @@ working then. Mind, though, that I don't know phython at all. OK, I'll write something on Monday and send it to the list as proposal. -Martin - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdy2Z-0003sd-Vx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:56:40 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdy2X-0003rt-Ks - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:56:37 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gdy2V-0003r7-AW - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:56:36 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gdy2U-0003qw-4p - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:56:34 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gdy2T-0002VN-By - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:56:34 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9SNuT32007808 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) - for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:56:30 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:58:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Bug? Does somebody know what happens here? @@ -68130,36 +44264,11 @@ primitiveElement([x^2-2,x^2-3]$List(Polynomial Fraction Integer),[z2,z3]) >> Error detected within library code: (1 . failed) cannot be coerced to mode (OrderedVariableList (z2 z3 %A)) - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdyVF-0008Dc-GS - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:26:17 -0400 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdyVE-0008DX-6P - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:26:16 -0400 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GdyVB-0008DL-O7 - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:26:14 -0400 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdyVB-0008DI-JL - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:26:13 -0400 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1GdyVB-0007DU-4Y - for list; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:26:13 -0400 -Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) - (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9T0Q832008804 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:26:08 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:27:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: viewport in build-improvements -Cc: list On 10/28/2006 06:22 AM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -68184,39 +44293,11 @@ Sure many files *look* like text files, but you have heard Tim saying that checkout time, they are corrupt, since the byte count at the beginning of the file does not work anymore. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeA26-0001vd-4Y - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:44:58 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeA24-0001u7-18 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:44:56 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeA22-0001sd-2q - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:44:55 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeA21-0001sC-PO - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:44:53 -0500 -Received: from [66.196.97.61] (helo=web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeA21-00052K-SE - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:44:53 -0500 -Received: (qmail 84921 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2006 12:44:52 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=4jQRKfkTSEzHS3BQGNpjpYyXbOueG0SM2ssURxG20ZMY3I1OG0vHq+mAOAXZ1yhU8SZhSRafX1oEpYsdu1cTX70WfUeC0Gfg0SmAAix5xXnf4DuNXUtoPRj58gs5+Bm5UYdlpts0bVqaL1QpvigrUiQJ4zbAyvinLmrZOhB7hFY= - ; -Received: from [67.163.224.170] by web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:44:52 PST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: sourceforge/silver -To: Bill Page, Tim Daly, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -68251,48 +44332,11 @@ Wow! I dare you do do that in graphviz ;-) Really, that looks like a very useful way to represent the workflow. Thanks Bill! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups -(http://groups.yahoo.com) - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeG9N-0000lo-T8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:16:54 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeG9M-0000la-95 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:16:52 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeG9K-0000lK-Qg - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:16:52 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeG9K-0000lF-KG - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:16:50 -0500 -Received: from [66.196.97.61] (helo=web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeG9K-0006Zi-Hw - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:16:50 -0500 -Received: (qmail 87457 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2006 19:16:50 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=g8VsuN8tIjJN7k/wsGh197959f8jZUGQNOK19c7r890Qh80gkaf1bHsHE8R0u8SG3wM7RyIZbDN33Yx11Jbqg5lVLpdPPRlgx2Trnm4q0PZJLxXwgX0peF8Ywhqnx0wAf6OQ+Xvb3QS2LXiMgABULyxgqtS0XmjWMAc/VE4b0ok= - ; -Received: from [67.163.224.170] by web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:16:50 PST +\start Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp, Bill Page, Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: sourceforge/silver -To: Cliff Yapp, Bill Page, - Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - - --- Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -68328,41 +44372,11 @@ Cc: list Er, s/do do/to do/ - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeGBk-0001X9-OE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:19:20 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeGBi-0001Wg-DS - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:19:18 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeGBf-0001WN-PN - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:19:18 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeGBf-0001WK-K6 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:19:15 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.108] (helo=mail288.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GeGBf-0006kP-Hv - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:19:15 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail288.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9TJIoQY015477; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:19:04 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update to - recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:18:42 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update to recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS On October 27, 2006 6:58 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -68393,47 +44407,11 @@ of the axiom source tree. Why zip it? This just makes things more complicated than it needs to be (and makes some people at Google nervous :-). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeIDU-0005hd-Ik - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:16 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeIDS-0005f8-12 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:14 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeIDR-0005da-1H - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:13 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeIDQ-0005dJ-NF - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:12 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeIDN-0001Sn-7k - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:12 -0500 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TLT6M4027728 - for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:07 -0500 -Received: (qmail 23819 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2006 21:29:06 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Gabriel Dos Reis; 29 Oct 2006 21:29:06 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9TLJLH01640; - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:19:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:19:21 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to - recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS > Let me take this opportunity to raise again the question of > whether it still makes sense to store the gcl source as a @@ -68472,9 +44450,6 @@ Indeed, an ASDF based version of Axiom will completely enclose the whole issue into a proper lisp build framework and the whole build process can disappear. - - - As for making Google nervous, this again raises the issue of forming policy around the tools. It is a reprise of the noweb discussion. What we want to do should be decided independent of the tool. @@ -68485,9 +44460,6 @@ history. The idea of a 20M file should not make them cringe. I have I will personally pay for additional storage on axiom-developer.org and solve the problem. - - - And since advocacy is volunteering we're awaiting the code which implements your proposed alternate solution. Note that apt-get and similar tools are not available for all platforms. Even if you have @@ -68497,51 +44469,15 @@ had this problem with latex and the sourceforge compile farm. Do you propose writing code to automate the CVS checkouts for GCL, Arch, and noweb? If not, how do you plan to implement this? - - Since you've raised this question so frequently I'll add it as a FAQ. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeKaI-0004IB-7N - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:00:58 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeKaG-0004I6-VO - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:00:57 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeKaF-0004Hu-8L - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:00:56 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeKaF-0004Hr-3w - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:00:55 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeKaE-0004uz-BG - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:00:54 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC5A40F05; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:00:51 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9TNuWsK004335; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:56:34 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9TNuW1Y004334; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:56:32 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to - recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS - <200610292119.k9TLJLH01640@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:56:32 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -68564,37 +44500,11 @@ the issue. That, I believe, requires an answer that meets consensus ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLpQ-0002V8-Sx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:40 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLpP-0002V3-IE - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:39 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLpO-0002Ur-PL - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:39 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeLpO-0002Uo-IQ - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:38 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.82] (helo=mail262.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GeLpO-0007hp-9J - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:38 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail262.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9U1KBo3000472; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:27 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:05 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS On October 29, 2006 4:19 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -68780,49 +44690,13 @@ No. Implement what? I hope you can think of a reasonable answer to accompany the question. ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLpg-0002av-2l - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:56 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLpe-0002ae-Fz - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:54 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLpc-0002Z3-HW - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:53 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeLpc-0002Z0-CG - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:52 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeLpc-0007j8-0a - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:20:52 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7BE4F3C9; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:20:50 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9U1GXit005444; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:16:36 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9U1GX8U005443; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:16:33 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to - recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS - <200610292119.k9TLJLH01640@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Oct 2006 02:16:33 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -68833,46 +44707,11 @@ root Tim Daly writes: Sure you can retrieve them by their timestamps, right? --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLzV-0004hg-Sq - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:31:05 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLzU-0004hY-HH - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:31:04 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeLzS-0004hM-J3 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:31:03 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeLzS-0004hJ-G2 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:31:02 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeLzS-0000wi-4K - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:31:02 -0500 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U1Unan019298 - for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:30:53 -0500 -Received: (qmail 5163 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 01:30:49 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Oct 2006 01:30:49 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9U1L6O01728; - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:21:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:21:06 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 30 Oct 2006 00:56:32 +0100) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to - recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS - <200610292119.k9TLJLH01640@localhost.localdomain> - -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS > I would welcome an access to that problematic platform to investigate > the issue. @@ -68898,47 +44737,18 @@ These are added onto the end of the LDF variable. I'm hoping FC6 doesn't have the problem. I downloaded the isos this week and haven't installed it on a machine yet. -t - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeMFd-0005eT-QM - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:47:45 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeMFc-0005eK-2J - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:47:44 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeMFa-0005d6-Bp - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:47:43 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeMFa-0005ci-6J - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:47:42 -0500 -Received: from [80.12.242.17] (helo=smtp-msa-out19.orange.fr) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeMFa-0003O6-0j - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:47:42 -0500 -Received: from ALille-251-1-35-84.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr - (ALille-251-1-35-84.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.141.84]) - by mwinf1912.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 050F61C000E5; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:47:16 +0100 (CET) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly - <1162046425.2966.63.camel@ellipse> - <200610281706.k9SH6aH25998@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:46:21 +0100 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: $erase (Re: SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: $erase (Re: SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) -Le samedi 28 octobre 2006 =E0 13:06 -0400, root a =E9crit : -[...] > You're using code which is not Gold. Yes I know, and if I mention that this is for users of Silver and for the possible inclusion of this patch into Gold. ->=20 +> > The silver code, from any source, has NOT been tested. > I resisted making these changes public for a long time, > keeping them local until I ran tests and released them. @@ -68973,11 +44783,7 @@ important (see for example bug "cannot rename .erlib to .nrlib"). The primary purpose of my mail (forget my joke and my use of $erase) was to inform you and Gaby that it was buggy. -Greg - -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +======================= > ;; ($ERASE filearg) -> 0 if succeeds else 1 > (defun $erase (&rest filearg) > - (setq filearg (make-full-namestring filearg)) @@ -68991,51 +44797,17 @@ Greg > (delete-file filearg)) > 1)) - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeMtU-0002rC-Ir - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:56 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeMtS-0002r5-TN - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:54 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeMtO-0002qt-FC - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:53 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeMtO-0002qq-AM - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:50 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeMtO-00088t-AB - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:50 -0500 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U2ST1P003644 - for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:28:37 -0500 -Received: (qmail 19822 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 02:28:29 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Oct 2006 02:28:29 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9U2IlP01747; - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:18:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:18:47 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS Cc: list Bill, I believe you're not ready to hear my answer. Lets try experience... - - - Implement your suggestion in your own branch and we can experiment with it. If the experiment hints that it is a success then we'll merge it into silver. @@ -69049,9 +44821,6 @@ etc... All of these have current answers. - - - You can follow the same scheme you use to handle distribution of the Zope/Plone stuff to Doyen. I'm not sure how you do it. @@ -69066,51 +44835,13 @@ Suppose Doyen uses Fedora6 and Zope/Plone doesn't work. What happens now? Since you distribute the wiki then whatever your scheme is you can try to set up axiom in the same way and we can experiment with it. -t - - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeNvj-0005mI-Ai - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:35:19 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeNvi-0005mD-Ib - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:35:18 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeNvg-0005m1-4K - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:35:17 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeNvf-0005lw-TB - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:35:15 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeNvf-0008MQ-SL - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:35:16 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A6940F53; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:35:12 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9U3UvSQ006805; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:30:59 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9U3Uv3o006804; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:30:57 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to - recentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS - <200610292119.k9TLJLH01640@localhost.localdomain> - - <200610300121.k9U1L6O01728@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Oct 2006 04:30:56 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | > I would welcome an access to that problematic platform to investigate | > the issue. @@ -69153,49 +44884,14 @@ that problem there. It is a bug in Axiom makefile. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeO00-0000A0-1u - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:39:44 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeNzx-000054-Q2 - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:39:41 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeNzw-0008U2-MS - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:39:41 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeNzw-0008Ta-HI - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:39:40 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeNzw-0000CO-JN - for list; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:39:40 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A7640ED6; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:39:37 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9U3ZLtK006921; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:35:24 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9U3ZLM0006920; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:35:21 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: re: $erase (Re: SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) - <1162046425.2966.63.camel@ellipse> - <200610281706.k9SH6aH25998@localhost.localdomain> - <1162172781.3763.45.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Oct 2006 04:35:21 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: $erase (Re: SF.net SVN: axiom: [209] trunk3) Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: - [...] | The primary purpose of my mail (forget my joke and my use of $erase) was @@ -69204,37 +44900,10 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem writes: I was glad to hear the code had problems; otherwise, I would be considering its inclusion in build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GePw9-0008U7-DU - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:43:53 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GePw7-0008Tk-7T - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:43:51 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GePw6-0008TY-IY - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:43:50 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GePw6-0008TV-Dh - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:43:50 -0500 -Received: from [66.196.97.64] (helo=web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GePw6-0001Um-Az - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:43:50 -0500 -Received: (qmail 69290 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2006 05:43:49 -0000 -DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; - h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; - b=arsFGtmcv8bT7v7PXehsMWliV7E0DYOTs24f7GyntvrFmlvdMGsAzeVDmDGfPRWvfFqU02l6KW6wM1Cjqg3vDWAzSd/gZsv389CSmo/VyWfr07rlwEsvb0FdPWdHMhUP41lMyp2h3ARcZ/vdOerTqUEpMi+ewInAFjdyq+CsFfo= - ; -Received: from [70.161.122.154] by web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; - Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:43:49 PST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: asdf --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -69294,139 +44963,30 @@ Of course, that leaves organizing the code using asdf, which in turn involves the little detail of understanding what the code is doing... ;-) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Low, Low, Low Rates! 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Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates -(http://voice.yahoo.com) - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQb1-00014Z-AF - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:26:07 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQb0-00014C-50 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:26:06 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQax-000140-Fn - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:26:04 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQax-00013x-8y; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:26:03 -0500 -Received: from [131.130.3.115] (helo=grace.univie.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GeQaw-0006Ng-I6; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:26:02 -0500 -Received: from justin.univie.ac.at ([131.130.3.111] helo=justin.univie.ac.at) - by grace.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GeQaq-0004W5-LI; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:25:56 +0100 -Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] - helo=aquin.mat.univie.ac.at) - by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from Martin Rubey) - id 1GeQaq-0005ol-Iv; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:25:56 +0100 -To: Tim Daly - <200610292045.k9TKjTa01616@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey +\start Date: 30 Oct 2006 07:26:24 +0100 -Cc: axiom-dev , litter@graffiti.net, - axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the - documentation? +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the documentation? I vaguely remember that somebody managed to have HyperDoc on MS-windows, given that an X-server is installed? -Martin - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQtN-0005wb-DP - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:45:05 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQtL-0005ug-AE - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:45:03 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeQtH-0005to-CR - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:45:02 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeQtH-0005td-5A - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:44:59 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeQtH-0000pU-3u - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:44:59 -0500 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U6ihrN000986 - for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:44:47 -0500 -Received: (qmail 27216 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 06:44:44 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Oct 2006 06:44:44 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9U6Z2F01838; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:35:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:35:02 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 30 Oct 2006 07:26:24 +0100) - <200610292045.k9TKjTa01616@localhost.localdomain> - <9qslh6uxnz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, litter@graffiti.net, axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the - documentation? +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the documentation? yes, i have hyperdoc running on windows. but it requires the Xming program and i haven't had time to document and package it. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeYz0-0006SO-RQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:23:26 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeYyy-0006Q8-EK - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:23:24 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeYyv-0006Mm-2t - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:23:24 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeYyu-0006Mh-NZ - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:23:20 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.17.101] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeYyu-0005f5-LB - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:23:20 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0324F3CA; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:23:10 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9UFJ0WU017731; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:19:02 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9UFJ0jg017730; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:19:00 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:19:00 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: asdf -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:19:00 +0100 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -69449,37 +45009,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: Many of the problems I've seen so far with the build process are bugs in the Makefiles. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeZ9F-0004b6-9k - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:34:01 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeZ9C-0004ae-LD - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:58 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeZ97-0004a1-SA - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:58 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZ97-0004Zy-LQ - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:53 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.29] (helo=mail209.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GeZ97-0006xo-Bl - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:53 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail209.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9UFXPOp020439; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:40 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:33:19 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update torecent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS On October 29, 2006 9:19 PM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -69587,47 +45121,11 @@ It is not my plan to distribute the wiki software. I am glad that the developer of ZWiki has opted to include the LatexWiki with MathAction (Axiom interface) extensions as part ZWiki. -Regards. -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeZjd-0001do-GD - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:37 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeZjb-0001dL-WA - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:36 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeZjX-0001cA-AG - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:35 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeZjX-0001c5-7I - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:31 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeZjT-0005Kv-K1 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:30 -0500 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UGBEmi010272 - for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:14 -0500 -Received: (qmail 27445 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 16:11:15 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Oct 2006 16:11:15 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9UG1cJ02350; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:01:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:01:38 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS > > I believe you're not ready to hear my answer. Lets try > > experience... @@ -69640,37 +45138,11 @@ Cc: list ok. let me know when I can pull your branch. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeaRy-00079h-UY - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:57:26 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeaRx-00079V-TH - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:57:25 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeaRt-00077P-5C - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:57:25 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeaRt-00077M-2F - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:57:21 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.81] (helo=mail261.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GeaRt-00035b-3f - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:57:21 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail261.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9UGucHj005700; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:56:53 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:56:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS Gaby, @@ -69705,46 +45177,12 @@ On October 30, 2006 11:02 AM Tim Daly wrote: > > the sources. > > ok. let me know when I can pull your branch. -> - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geanj-0007WN-Vx - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:56 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geani-0007WI-Pk - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:54 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geane-0007Uu-L6 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:54 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geane-0007Ur-IN - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:50 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Geane-0007GP-FX - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:50 -0500 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UHJX0F017761 - for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:19:33 -0500 -Received: (qmail 17050 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 17:12:55 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 30 Oct 2006 17:12:55 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9UH3Iw02395; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:03:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:03:18 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS Bill, @@ -69762,45 +45200,13 @@ But you care. So set up a branch, make sure it works, and then you can take the lead in maintaining the GCL branch. -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeawG-0001Ej-2A - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:28:44 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeawD-0001EE-Pe - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:28:41 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geaw8-0001Dt-CM - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:28:40 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geaw8-0001Dq-6J - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:28:36 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.101] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Geaw8-0008Re-1p - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:28:36 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016DF40F56; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:28:33 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9UHOFvi021223; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:24:17 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9UHOF9X021222; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:24:15 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -From: Gabriel Dos Reis +\start Date: 30 Oct 2006 18:24:15 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -69841,48 +45247,14 @@ something like cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gcl -z9 export -Dtoday -d gcl-2.6.8pre -r Version_2_6_8pre gcl svk add gcl-2.6.8pre - Tim -- Have you tried build-improvements on FC5? - --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GecH2-0001aN-BL - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:16 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GecH1-0001YH-6G - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:15 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GecGw-0001WL-Dg - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:14 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GecGw-0001WG-34 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:10 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GecGw-0006sp-0n - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:10 -0500 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UIs0vG003645 - for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:54:05 -0500 -Received: (qmail 10964 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 18:54:00 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Bill Page; 30 Oct 2006 18:54:00 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9UIiDo02439; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:44:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:44:13 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire - on 30 Oct 2006 13:29:12 -0500) -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Outstanding axiom issues for gcl 2.6.8 Camm, @@ -69893,36 +45265,11 @@ you is being bounced because mail from 77.X.X.X is blocked by a spam mailing list. I've complained but they said there is nothing they can do (even though they maintain the list). -Tim - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeceF-00080m-OE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:18:15 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeceD-0007yP-KD - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:18:13 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gece8-0007sE-Ny - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:18:13 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gece8-0007s3-HH - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:18:08 -0500 -Received: from [65.32.5.133] (helo=ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gece8-0001UO-Ds - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:18:08 -0500 -Received: from 192.168.0.2 (194.90.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.205.90.194]) - by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id - k9UJHeVR029705; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:17:40 -0500 (EST) -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] - Update torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -From: Arthur Dickinson -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - +\start Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:17:39 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-developer Mail List +From: Arthur Dickinson +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] Update to recent GCL-2.6.8pre CVS On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 18:24 +0100, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -69942,34 +45289,10 @@ for SELinux. I have not exercised either build extensively but the CentOS version successfully passed the test part of the build. --- -Arthur Dickinson - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geg0W-0007iN-L6 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:53:28 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geg0T-0007fh-PC - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:53:25 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geg0O-0007cJ-G0 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:53:24 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geg0O-0007cG-Ax - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:53:20 -0500 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Geg0O-0002sE-DS - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:53:20 -0500 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1Gebsm-00046s-00; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:29:12 -0500 -To: Bill Page,root Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:29:12 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page,Tim Daly Subject: Outstanding axiom issues for gcl 2.6.8 Greetings! My understanding: @@ -69985,44 +45308,10 @@ traffic on axiom-developer on the web than I am getting locally. Please do me the favor of cc'ing me directly until we can work out our mailer problems. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeibX-0005Tc-30 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:39:51 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeeKJ-0007xI-Tz - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:05:47 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeeKA-0007fV-5D - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:05:47 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeeK9-0007f1-Uk - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:05:38 -0500 -Received: from [193.61.128.180] (helo=e0.ulster.ac.uk) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeeK7-0003JS-6D - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:05:37 -0500 -Received: from judge.ulster.ac.uk (judge-priv [192.168.11.40]) - by e0.ulster.ac.uk (UU/BC) with ESMTP id k9UIqadQ019146; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:52:36 GMT -Received: from einstein (einstein.ulster.ac.uk [193.61.142.92]) - by judge.ulster.ac.uk (UU/BC) with ESMTP id k9UIqSDC028077; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:52:33 GMT (envelope-from c.turner@ulster.ac.uk) -Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by einstein with esmtp (Exim 4.63) - (envelope-from ) - id 1GebfD-00031u-Rk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:15:11 +0000 +\start Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:15:10 +0000 -From: Colin Turner +From: Colin Turner To: Camm Maguire - <54k62mnbri.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, 328480@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#328480: axiom: Still seems to be a problem -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- @@ -70081,92 +45370,24 @@ at least. I'll keep searching the wiki. Thanks for the help. -CT. ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) -Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org - -iD8DBQFFRkEu0SwfPjLnaZYRAjL9AKC2WFAiSNrQlgjjqxRWdiPEKNUvlgCg2ZdZ -v6BynDuJ/f8b1z3h8gaArRg= -=Aoq7 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeiiL-00025R-EC - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:46:53 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeiiJ-00024i-2J - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:46:51 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeiiG-00021w-Df - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:46:49 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GeiiG-00021g-6m - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:46:48 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.180] (helo=mail60c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1GeiiG-0004S8-9n - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:46:48 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail60c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9V1k6SF032738; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:46:20 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +\start +Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:45:57 -0500 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: [build-improvements] Update - torecentGCL-2.6.8pre CVS -Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:45:57 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list On October 30, 2006 12:03 PM Tim Daly wrote: > ... > But you care. So set up a branch, make sure it works, > and then you can take the lead in maintaining the GCL > branch. -> Tim, as I have said many times: I have no intention of maintaining a GCL branch. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gejgq-0006cf-WE - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:49:25 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gejgp-0006c4-0o - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:49:23 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gejgn-0006bR-0F - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:49:22 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gejgm-0006bN-TT - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:49:20 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gejgm-0004xj-VM - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:49:21 -0500 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9V2mkQ5025287 - for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:48:59 -0500 -Received: (qmail 7063 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 02:48:46 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Oct 2006 02:48:46 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9V2d2T02666; - Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:39:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:39:02 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Fedora Core 6 @@ -70178,39 +45399,12 @@ export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/fedora5 export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH make - - I'll update the configure script to detect this platform. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GekIO-0005oV-LX - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:28:12 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GekIM-0005nS-Ap - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:28:10 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GekIJ-0005mg-H8 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:28:10 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GekIJ-0005md-Dc; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:28:07 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.81] (helo=mail261.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GekIJ-0002iT-3A; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:28:07 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail261.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9V3RImM026460; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:27:35 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:27:08 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire Subject: RE: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Camm, @@ -70219,22 +45413,22 @@ Here is the gdb output for the MAC OSX plt issue. I think the result is fairly definitive. See this section below: -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123ad4) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123ad4) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) n 27 return strcmp(stn(p1->n),stn(p2->n)); (gdb) p p2->n -$8 =3D 0x11574c "__srget" +$8 = 0x11574c "__srget" (gdb) p p1->n -$9 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +$9 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" (gdb) n 29 } (gdb) n 0x9000f8c8 in bsearch () (gdb) n -Single stepping until exit from function bsearch,=20 +Single stepping until exit from function bsearch, which has no line number information. -my_plt (s=3D0x5742d1 "___srget", v=3D0xbffff668) at plt.c:185 +my_plt (s=0x5742d1 "___srget", v=0xbffff668) at plt.c:185 185 return -1; (gdb) n 187 } @@ -70249,9 +45443,9 @@ Can you suggest fix? Regards, Bill Page. -=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D PuTTY log 2006.10.30 = +=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= PuTTY log 2006.10.30 = 21:24:00 -=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D~=3D +=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= ppc-osx3:~/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8pre/unixport $ gdb raw_pre_gcl GNU gdb 5.3-20021014 (Apple version gdb-250) (Sat Dec 7 02:14:27 GMT = 2002) @@ -70301,13 +45495,13 @@ mach_maplimit: 0x20122000 0x548000 0x2dd000 r rwx (no zone) 0x825000 0x60000 rw rwx DefaultMallocZone --- Header Information --- -Magic =3D 0xfeedface -CPUType =3D 18 -CPUSubType =3D 0 -FileType =3D 0x2 -NCmds =3D 10 -SizeOfCmds =3D 1620 -Flags =3D 0x00000085 +Magic = 0xfeedface +CPUType = 18 +CPUSubType = 0 +FileType = 0x2 +NCmds = 10 +SizeOfCmds = 1620 +Flags = 0x00000085 Highest address of load commands in input file: 0x825000 Lowest offset of all sections in __TEXT segment: 0xb18 --- List of Load Commands in Input File --- @@ -70386,115 +45580,115 @@ Breakpoint 1, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:65 65 if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) && !(q[u]->flags & BSF_WEAK)) (gdb) n -68 if ((c=3D(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { +68 if ((c=(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { (gdb) n -73 } else if=20 +73 } else if (gdb) n -78 if (h->type!=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined) { +78 if (h->type!=bfd_link_hash_defined) { (gdb) n 79 if (!q[u]->section) (gdb) n 81 if (!my_plt(q[u]->name,&pa)) { (gdb) s -my_plt (s=3D0x5742d1 "___srget", v=3D0xbffff668) at plt.c:167 -167 Plt *p=3Dmplt,*pe=3Dp+sizeof(mplt)/sizeof(*mplt),tp; +my_plt (s=0x5742d1 "___srget", v=0xbffff668) at plt.c:167 +167 Plt *p=mplt,*pe=p+sizeof(mplt)/sizeof(*mplt),tp; (gdb) n -170 if (sSAplt_tableA->s.s_dbind &&=20 +170 if (sSAplt_tableA->s.s_dbind && (gdb) p mplt -$1 =3D {{ - n =3D 0x11574c "__srget",=20 - ad =3D 2415981216 +$1 = {{ + n = 0x11574c "__srget", + ad = 2415981216 }, { - n =3D 0x115754 "__swbuf",=20 - ad =3D 2416038784 + n = 0x115754 "__swbuf", + ad = 2416038784 }, { - n =3D 0x11575c "acos",=20 - ad =3D 2416205440 + n = 0x11575c "acos", + ad = 2416205440 }, { - n =3D 0x115764 "acosh",=20 - ad =3D 2416569920 + n = 0x115764 "acosh", + ad = 2416569920 }, { - n =3D 0x11576c "asin",=20 - ad =3D 2416570304 + n = 0x11576c "asin", + ad = 2416570304 }, { - n =3D 0x115774 "asinh",=20 - ad =3D 2416569588 + n = 0x115774 "asinh", + ad = 2416569588 }, { - n =3D 0x11577c "atan",=20 - ad =3D 2416568404 + n = 0x11577c "atan", + ad = 2416568404 }, { - n =3D 0x115784 "atanh",=20 - ad =3D 2416569296 + n = 0x115784 "atanh", + ad = 2416569296 }, { - n =3D 0x11578c "cos",=20 - ad =3D 2416185248 + n = 0x11578c "cos", + ad = 2416185248 }, { - n =3D 0x115790 "cosh",=20 - ad =3D 2416590880 + n = 0x115790 "cosh", + ad = 2416590880 }, { - n =3D 0x115798 "exp",=20 - ad =3D 2416186144 + n = 0x115798 "exp", + ad = 2416186144 }, { - n =3D 0x11579c "log",=20 - ad =3D 2416181504 + n = 0x11579c "log", + ad = 2416181504 }, { - n =3D 0x1157a0 "setjmp",=20 - ad =3D 2416214272 + n = 0x1157a0 "setjmp", + ad = 2416214272 }, { - n =3D 0x1157a8 "sin",=20 - ad =3D 2416179488 + n = 0x1157a8 "sin", + ad = 2416179488 }, { - n =3D 0x1157ac "sinh",=20 - ad =3D 2416590620 + n = 0x1157ac "sinh", + ad = 2416590620 }, { - n =3D 0x1157b4 "tan",=20 - ad =3D 2416183744 + n = 0x1157b4 "tan", + ad = 2416183744 }, { - n =3D 0x1157b8 "tanh",=20 - ad =3D 2416591016 + n = 0x1157b8 "tanh", + ad = 2416591016 }} (gdb) n -179 tp.n=3Ds; +179 tp.n=s; (gdb) b pltcomp Breakpoint 2 at 0xbe75c: file plt.c, line 25. (gdb) n -180 if ((p=3Dbsearch(&tp,p,pe-p,sizeof(*p),pltcomp))) { +180 if ((p=bsearch(&tp,p,pe-p,sizeof(*p),pltcomp))) { (gdb) n -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123b14) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123b14) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) n 27 return strcmp(stn(p1->n),stn(p2->n)); (gdb) p p1->n -$2 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +$2 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" (gdb) p p2->n -$3 =3D 0x11578c "cos" +$3 = 0x11578c "cos" (gdb) n 29 } (gdb) n 0x9000f8c8 in bsearch () (gdb) n -Single stepping until exit from function bsearch,=20 +Single stepping until exit from function bsearch, which has no line number information. -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123af4) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123af4) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) n 27 return strcmp(stn(p1->n),stn(p2->n)); (gdb) p p1->n -$5 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +$5 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" (gdb) n 29 } (gdb) n 0x9000f8c8 in bsearch () (gdb) n -Single stepping until exit from function bsearch,=20 +Single stepping until exit from function bsearch, which has no line number information. -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123ae4) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123ae4) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) p p2->n -$6 =3D 0x11576c "asin" +$6 = 0x11576c "asin" (gdb) n 27 return strcmp(stn(p1->n),stn(p2->n)); (gdb) n @@ -70502,39 +45696,39 @@ $6 =3D 0x11576c "asin" (gdb) n 0x9000f8c8 in bsearch () (gdb) n -Single stepping until exit from function bsearch,=20 +Single stepping until exit from function bsearch, which has no line number information. -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123adc) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123adc) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) n 27 return strcmp(stn(p1->n),stn(p2->n)); (gdb) p p2->n -$7 =3D 0x115754 "__swbuf" +$7 = 0x115754 "__swbuf" (gdb) n 29 } (gdb) n 0x9000f8c8 in bsearch () (gdb) n -Single stepping until exit from function bsearch,=20 +Single stepping until exit from function bsearch, which has no line number information. -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123ad4) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123ad4) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) n 27 return strcmp(stn(p1->n),stn(p2->n)); (gdb) p p2->n -$8 =3D 0x11574c "__srget" +$8 = 0x11574c "__srget" (gdb) p p1->n -$9 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +$9 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" (gdb) n 29 } (gdb) n 0x9000f8c8 in bsearch () (gdb) n -Single stepping until exit from function bsearch,=20 +Single stepping until exit from function bsearch, which has no line number information. -my_plt (s=3D0x5742d1 "___srget", v=3D0xbffff668) at plt.c:185 +my_plt (s=0x5742d1 "___srget", v=0xbffff668) at plt.c:185 185 return -1; (gdb) n 187 } @@ -70546,133 +45740,133 @@ Breakpoint 3 at 0xb1e28: file sfasli.c, line 89. (gdb) c Continuing. -Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=3D0xbffaade0, v2=3D0x123b14) at plt.c:25 -25 const Plt *p1=3Dv1,*p2=3Dv2; +Breakpoint 2, pltcomp (v1=0xbffaade0, v2=0x123b14) at plt.c:25 +25 const Plt *p1=v1,*p2=v2; (gdb) cl -Deleted breakpoint 2=20 +Deleted breakpoint 2 (gdb) c Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) p q[u]->name -$10 =3D 0x575f53 "_acos" +$10 = 0x575f53 "_acos" (gdb) c Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) p q[u]->name -$11 =3D 0x575f59 "_acosh" +$11 = 0x575f59 "_acosh" (gdb) c Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) c=08p q[u]->name -$12 =3D 0x575f60 "_asin" +$12 = 0x575f60 "_asin" (gdb) p q[u]->name (gdb) c=1B[K Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) c=08p q[u]->name -$13 =3D 0x575f66 "_asinh" +$13 = 0x575f66 "_asinh" (gdb) p q[u]->name (gdb) c=1B[K Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) c=08p q[u]->name -$14 =3D 0x575f6d "_atan" +$14 = 0x575f6d "_atan" (gdb) p q[u]->name (gdb) c=1B[K Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) c=08p q[u]->name -$15 =3D 0x575f73 "_atanh" +$15 = 0x575f73 "_atanh" (gdb) p q[u]->name (gdb) c=1B[K Continuing. Breakpoint 3, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:89 -89 h->type=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined; +89 h->type=bfd_link_hash_defined; (gdb) c=08p q[u]->name -$16 =3D 0x575f83 "_cos" -(gdb)=20 +$16 = 0x575f83 "_cos" +(gdb) ----------- > -----Original Message----- -> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire]=20 +> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] > Sent: October 27, 2006 11:05 AM > To: Bill Page > Cc: list; gcl-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Greetings! ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > > Camm, -> >=20 +> > > > On Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:01 PM you asked: -> > >=20 +> > > > > > Greetings! Just wondering if this is the last axiom issue with -> > > 2.6.8pre outstanding. If not, what are the others? If=20 +> > > 2.6.8pre outstanding. If not, what are the others? If > more testing > > > time is needed to answer this, how much more? > > > -> >=20 +> > > > Here is the debugging output you asked for in your previous email. -> >=20 +> > > > On Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:41 PM you wrote: -> > > ...=20 +> > > ... > > > Please verify this by stepping through with n and this point. In -> > > fact, if you can step from this point to the bottom of=20 +> > > fact, if you can step from this point to the bottom of > this for loop > > > iteration, and then -> > >=20 -> > > (gdb) p=20 +> > > +> > > (gdb) p > > > *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_FALSE,M > > Y_BFD_FALSE,MY_BFD_TRUE) -> > >=20 -> > > that would be most helpful. =20 -> > >=20 -> >=20 -> > --------=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > that would be most helpful. +> > > +> > +> > -------- +> > > > (gdb) cond 1 (int) strstr(q[u]->name,"srget") > > (gdb) c > > Continuing. > > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) April 1994 131072 pages > > Building symbol table for -> >=20 +> > > /private/automount/home/users/b/bi/billpage/osx/new/gcl-2.6.8p > re/unixpor > > t/raw_pre_gcl.tmp .. -> >=20 +> > > > Breakpoint 1, build_symbol_table_bfd () at sfasli.c:65 -> > 65 if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) &&=20 +> > 65 if (strncmp(q[u]->section->name,"*UND*",5) && > !(q[u]->flags > > & BSF_WEAK)) > > (gdb) p q[u]->name -> > $1 =3D 0x5742d1 "___srget" +> > $1 = 0x5742d1 "___srget" > > (gdb) p q[u]->section->name -> > $2 =3D 0x114e74 "*UND*" +> > $2 = 0x114e74 "*UND*" > > (gdb) p q[u]->flags -> > $3 =3D 2 +> > $3 = 2 > > (gdb) n -> > 68 if ((c=3D(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { +> > 68 if ((c=(char *)strstr(q[u]->name,"@@"))) { > > (gdb) n > > 73 } else if > > (gdb) n -> > 78 if (h->type!=3Dbfd_link_hash_defined) { +> > 78 if (h->type!=bfd_link_hash_defined) { > > (gdb) n > > 79 if (!q[u]->section) > > (gdb) n @@ -70682,145 +45876,95 @@ $16 =3D 0x575f83 "_cos" > > (gdb) n > > 95 if (c) { > > (gdb) p -> >=20 +> > > *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,MY_BFD_FALSE,M > Y_BFD_FALS > > E,MY_BFD_TRUE) > > No symbol "MY_BFD_FALSE" in current context. -> > (gdb) p=20 +> > (gdb) p > *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,0,0,MY_BFD_TRUE) > > No symbol "MY_BFD_TRUE" in current context. > > (gdb) p *bfd_link_hash_lookup(link_info.hash,q[u]->name,0,0,1) -> > $4 =3D { -> > root =3D { -> > next =3D 0x0, -> > string =3D 0x76db28 "___srget", -> > hash =3D 163640344 +> > $4 = { +> > root = { +> > next = 0x0, +> > string = 0x76db28 "___srget", +> > hash = 163640344 > > }, -> > type =3D bfd_link_hash_undefined, -> > u =3D { -> > undef =3D { -> > next =3D 0x76db34, -> > abfd =3D 0x54a2f0, -> > weak =3D 0x0 +> > type = bfd_link_hash_undefined, +> > u = { +> > undef = { +> > next = 0x76db34, +> > abfd = 0x54a2f0, +> > weak = 0x0 > > }, -> > def =3D { -> > next =3D 0x76db34, -> > section =3D 0x54a2f0, -> > value =3D 0 +> > def = { +> > next = 0x76db34, +> > section = 0x54a2f0, +> > value = 0 > > }, -> > i =3D { -> > next =3D 0x76db34, -> > link =3D 0x54a2f0, -> > warning =3D 0x0 +> > i = { +> > next = 0x76db34, +> > link = 0x54a2f0, +> > warning = 0x0 > > }, -> > c =3D { -> > next =3D 0x76db34, -> > p =3D 0x54a2f0, -> > size =3D 0 +> > c = { +> > next = 0x76db34, +> > p = 0x54a2f0, +> > size = 0 > > } > > } > > } ->=20 +> > Perfect! Here is the problem -- the symbol has no value, to the code > never defines its address ->=20 +> > > 88 if (q[u]->value) { ->=20 -> > type =3D bfd_link_hash_undefined, ->=20 +> +> > type = bfd_link_hash_undefined, +> > It would be helpful if you could break at line 89, and make sure that > other symbols are defined through their symbol value. Preferably, > others in plt.h. ->=20 +> > But before this, please step into my_plt with ->=20 +> > (gdb) s ->=20 +> > and step through the code. ->=20 +> > This is also of interest therein: ->=20 +> > (gdb) p mplt ->=20 +> > and, before executing line 180: ->=20 +> > (gdb) b pltcomp ->=20 +> > then at each break into pltcomp, try to see why the named symbol is > not found. ->=20 +> > BTW, is this macosx intel? If not, has anyone tried this? ->=20 +> > Take care, ->=20 +> > > (gdb) n -> > 58 for (u=3D0;u > 58 for (u=0;u > (gdb) -> >=20 +> > > > ------------ -> >=20 +> > > > I guess it didn't know MY_BFD_FALSE and MY_BFD_TRUE but I > > took a wild guess at what these symbols might be. Is this > > output useful to you? -> >=20 -> > Regards, -> > Bill Page. -> >=20 -> >=20 -> >=20 ->=20 -> --=20 -> Camm Maguire =09 -> Camm Maguire -> = -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." --=20 -> Baha'u'llah ->=20 ->=20 - - - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GekzB-0003gQ-Jg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:12:25 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GekzA-0003fM-6o - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:12:24 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gekz8-0003eM-G6 - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:12:23 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gekz8-0003eJ-9y - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:12:22 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gekz8-0001iR-5Y - for list; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:12:22 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A7E4F3A4 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:12:08 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9V47ors003803 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:07:53 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9V47o99003802; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:07:50 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f + +\start +Date: 31 Oct 2006 05:07:50 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Re: Fedora Core 6 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Oct 2006 05:07:50 +0100 -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Fedora Core 6 builds and runs Axiom successfully if you set the | AXIOM variable with a trailing 'fedora5' thus: @@ -70842,44 +45986,11 @@ accounts for confusion. Furthermore, I would urge you to stop using ${XLIB}/Xpm.a as I explained previously. Many of the working stanzas have been artificially cloned for no logically coherent reasons. --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gem99-0002Dn-Bf - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:26:47 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gem97-00029Y-60 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:26:45 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gem95-00026g-Jg - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:26:44 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gem95-00026T-GJ - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:26:43 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gem95-0002HU-GX - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:26:43 -0500 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9V5QOuE011161 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:26:32 -0500 -Received: (qmail 24267 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 05:26:25 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Oct 2006 05:26:25 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9V5Gg302721; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:16:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:16:42 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Gabriel Dos Reis on 31 Oct 2006 05:07:50 +0100) Subject: Re: Fedora Core 6 - -Cc: list > It is probably OK to "share" make rules that way, but; it is highly > misleading to name builds after platform names you currently do. That @@ -70891,44 +46002,12 @@ i agree about the naming convention. the "-l Xpm" doesn't seem to work on other linux boxes. i'll investigate further. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GemE1-000703-B3 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:31:49 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GemDz-0006z1-8v - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:31:47 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GemDy-0006yn-Al - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:31:47 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GemDy-0006yk-5A - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:31:46 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GemDy-0002wF-2c - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:31:46 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80444F3C6 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:31:41 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9V5ROAB004867 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:27:27 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9V5ROnk004866; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:27:24 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:27:24 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] fix thinko in trace.boot - Hi, This patchlet fixes a typo in trace.boot -- caught by bootsys. @@ -70963,44 +46042,13 @@ characters. pspacers() == null _/SPACELIST => sayBrightly '" no functions have space monitored" - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GemSR-0002dz-QB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:46:43 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GemSP-0002bC-DU - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:46:41 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GemSN-0002Yn-Kv - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:46:40 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GemSN-0002YK-EV - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:46:39 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.17.102] (helo=mallaury.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GemSN-0004ve-D4 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:46:39 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B554F3C2; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:46:34 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9V5gHUk005272; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:42:20 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9V5gHIx005271; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:42:17 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f +Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:42:17 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fedora Core 6 - - <200610310516.k9V5Gg302721@localhost.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:42:17 +0100 -Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | the "-l Xpm" doesn't seem to work on other linux boxes. @@ -71008,44 +46056,12 @@ I'm curious about which other linux boxes. [ What I described is implemented on build-improvements. ] --- Gaby - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geq8b-0008C7-Gk - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:29 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geq8W-0008B7-DV - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:25 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geq8P-0008A1-KH - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:21 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geq8P-00089u-4f - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:17 -0500 -Received: from [62.4.16.102] (helo=kraid.nerim.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Geq8P-00050z-32 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:17 -0500 -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (gdr.net1.nerim.net - [62.212.99.186]) - by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8528D40E8F - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:42:15 +0100 (CET) -Received: from zeus.integrable-solutions.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with - ESMTP id k9V9bsIu008710 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:37:56 +0100 -Received: (from gdr@localhost) - by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id - k9V9bsPN008709; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:37:54 +0100 - Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Oct 2006 10:37:54 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Update Boot keywords table - This patch updates the keyword table in Makefile, to match the actual implementation. In particular, the keywords CASE, OF, STRUCTURE, and QUOTE were missing. The other hunk just makes the spelling match the @@ -71135,30 +46151,10 @@ actual implementation. \subsubsection{Primary} - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Getti-0002np-A8 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:22 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gettf-0002k4-0Z - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:19 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GettX-0002eQ-WE - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:17 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GettX-0002dY-4m - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:11 -0500 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GettW-0000l0-Nt - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:11 -0500 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1GettT-00021w-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:07 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 31 Oct 2006 08:43:07 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 Greetings, and thanks! OK, please try it now, I think it should be @@ -71166,7 +46162,7 @@ fixed. Please let me know if problems persist. Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -71700,59 +46696,12 @@ Take care, > > > I guess it didn't know MY_BFD_FALSE and MY_BFD_TRUE but I > > > took a wild guess at what these symbols might be. Is this > > > output useful to you? -> > > -> > > Regards, -> > > Bill Page. -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > -> > -- -> > Camm Maguire -> > Camm Maguire -> > ============================================================== -> > ============ -> > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> > Baha'u'llah -> > -> > -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geu47-0002t6-NB - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:54:07 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geu44-0002rH-LF - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:54:04 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geu42-0002pU-IK - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:54:04 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Geu42-0002pD-3b - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:54:02 -0500 -Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Geu41-0002u2-Nt - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:54:01 -0500 -Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) - id 1Geu3x-00024a-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:53:57 -0500 -To: Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 31 Oct 2006 08:53:57 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Outstanding axiom issues for gcl - 2.6.8 +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Outstanding axiom issues for gcl 2.6.8 Greetings! @@ -71781,60 +46730,13 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > traffic on axiom-developer on the web than I am getting locally. > Please do me the favor of cc'ing me directly until we can work out our > mailer problems. -> -> Take care, -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Gcl-devel mailing list -> Gcl-devel@gnu.org -> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gcl-devel -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuSP-0000ZN-8H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:19:13 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuSM-0000Y1-W9 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:19:11 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuSI-0000Rq-92 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:19:10 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuSI-0000RU-0F; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:19:06 -0500 -Received: from [140.78.116.39] (helo=athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.52) - id 1GeuSH-0000AC-Ft; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:19:05 -0500 -Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at - [193.170.38.119]) (authenticated bits=0) - by athena.risc.uni-linz.ac.at (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.2) with ESMTP id - k9VEIx32014479 - (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:18:59 +0100 + +\start Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:20:51 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9qvem03fmd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , Paul vL , - axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the - documentation? +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the documentation? +Cc: Paul vL Hello, @@ -71888,38 +46790,12 @@ the process from ++ to hyperdoc? Right. ALLPROSE cannot do that. There are other tools necessary. -Ralf - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuyK-0006La-2H - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:52:12 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuyH-0006Ki-OF - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:52:09 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GeuyD-0006Hq-Vb - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:52:09 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1Geuy8-0006F7-4i; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:52:00 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.180] (helo=mail60c2.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1Geuy8-0005vJ-3A; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:52:00 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail60c2.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9VEpVJ3011109; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:51:48 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Paul vL'" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:51:01 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Kai Kaminski' , - axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the - documentation? +From: Bill Page +To: Paul vL +Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the documentation? +Cc: Kai Kaminski On October 31, 2006 4:12 AM Paul vL wrote: > > @@ -71964,40 +46840,11 @@ it is indeed possible. Your help and encourage to do this work is much appreciated. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gev7U-0006en-Us - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:41 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gev7T-0006eQ-Bt - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:39 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gev7Q-0006dK-R7 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:39 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gev7Q-0006dH-MA; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:36 -0500 -Received: from [216.251.41.83] (helo=mail263.megamailservers.com) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps - (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) - id 1Gev7Q-0007ri-31; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:36 -0500 -Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) - by mail263.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id - k9VF0ltm028882; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:02 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:00:37 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Outstanding axiom issues for gcl - 2.6.8 +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Outstanding axiom issues for gcl 2.6.8 On October 31, 2006 8:54 AM Camm Maguire wrote: > ... @@ -72013,51 +46860,11 @@ on that platform. I don't know where to find an intel based MAC. Maybe one of the Sage developers? I will check later today. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gexwt-0005Yj-0B - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:55 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gexwq-0005Vi-NF - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:52 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gexwp-0005Tm-UB - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:51 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gexwp-0005Ta-D9 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:51 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gexwe-0002go-PU - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:50 -0500 -Received: from pop-3.zoominternet.net (mua-3.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.46]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VI2dU6007644 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:02:40 -0500 -Received: (qmail 32643 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 18:02:39 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Oct 2006 18:02:39 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9VHqoi03467; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:52:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:52:50 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Themos Tsikas - on Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:31:24 +0100) - <9qzmbcl7ub.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200610311831.24585.Themos Tsikas> -Cc: list, axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the - documentation? +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Windows: where's the documentation? > > The point is that the list of domains which are of a certain category is > > created dynamically. If I start a fresh axiom session, compile a spad file @@ -72091,42 +46898,10 @@ I wrote some detailed documentation about the database file format somewhere on this list a couple weeks ago. I'll try to find it and add it to the literate documentation of asq. - -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GezdI-0003JQ-Gg - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:48 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GezdG-0003Hi-5E - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:46 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GezdD-0003Fx-UN - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:45 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GezdC-0003FN-LV - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:42 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GezdB-0005H8-Rg - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:42 -0500 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VJoend023085 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:40 -0500 -Received: (qmail 17636 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 19:50:40 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Oct 2006 19:50:40 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9VJeqn03522; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:40:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:40:52 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: asq online > You can now look up Axiom domain and category information in a browser. @@ -72151,39 +46926,9 @@ Bill, This is just a trivial file asq.php in my public directory. We could probably move this to the wiki. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1GezlN-0005zR-9C - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:59:09 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GezlK-0005yh-Fb - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:59:06 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1GezXp-0001If-EI - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:45:21 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GezXk-00016q-O2 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:45:04 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.27] (helo=mx-8.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GezTi-0003gS-CZ - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:40:54 -0500 -Received: from pop-4.zoominternet.net (mua-4.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.47]) - by mx-8.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VJecJ4013252 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:40:43 -0500 -Received: (qmail 13014 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 19:40:34 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 31 Oct 2006 19:40:34 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9VJUkl03518; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:30:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:30:46 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: asq online @@ -72202,67 +46947,36 @@ Sorry for the lousy formatting but I'm not an html guru. It should be possible to get the rest into clickable html. I'll work on that later. -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0Dr-0003O4-Bb - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:35 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0Dp-0003LS-9M - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:33 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0Dk-0003Eo-5t - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:32 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf0Dj-0003EM-Vc - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:28 -0500 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gf0Dj-0003yo-NU - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:27 -0500 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 41AEE679D6; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:26 -0500 (EST) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id C293B66CB5; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:28:22 -0500 -Thread-Topic: asq online -Thread-Index: Acb9Jd9R3CO3OM+3R7mYfmW77oTwMgAAwiYg From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: RE: asq online On Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:41 PM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 -> > You can now look up Axiom domain and category information=20 +> +> > You can now look up Axiom domain and category information > > in a browser. Go to: -> >=20 +> > > > http://daly.axiom-developer.org/asq.php -> >=20 +> > > > to see it in operation. fill in the boxes with: -> >=20 +> > > > property all > > search key INT -> >=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > Sorry for the lousy formatting but I'm not an html guru. > > It should be possible to get the rest into clickable html. > > I'll work on that later. -> >=20 +> > > > t ->=20 +> > Bill, ->=20 +> > This is just a trivial file asq.php in my public directory. > We could probably move this to the wiki. ->=20 +> Tim, that's pretty neat. Yes we can easily provide this as a search page on the Axiom wiki. The wiki uses Python and @@ -72283,43 +46997,10 @@ command such as: which would automatically start a web browser and run the web server script. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0O5-0005nN-Nm - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:39:09 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0O3-0005k2-4l - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:39:07 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0Nz-0005en-Ek - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:39:06 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf0Ny-0005eQ-QK - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:39:02 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gf0Ny-0005dQ-Ko - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:39:02 -0500 -Received: from pop-2.zoominternet.net (mua-2.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.45]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VKcpZt026496 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:56 -0500 -Received: (qmail 16104 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2006 20:38:51 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-2.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for Tim Daly; 31 Oct 2006 20:38:51 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k9VKT4V03572; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:29:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:29:04 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page - (Bill Page) -Cc: list Subject: Re: asq online > Tim, that's pretty neat. Yes we can easily provide this as @@ -72348,48 +47029,17 @@ this would be very, very slick. i'll have to try that. do you happen to have a pointer? -t - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0ZP-0000OZ-D7 - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:51 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0ZL-0000IF-4o - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:47 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf0ZG-0000Ay-9P - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:44 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf0ZF-0000AW-Pl - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:42 -0500 -Received: from [131.136.242.1] (helo=fw.drenet.dnd.ca) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gf0ZF-0006nM-At - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:41 -0500 -Received: from localhost (amavis.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.244.251]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id 1D3C66732C; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:40 -0500 (EST) - (envelope-from Bill Page) -Received: from corporateex02.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca (unknown [131.136.1.88]) - by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (_) with ESMTP id A674064F52; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:37 -0500 (EST) - (envelope-from Bill Page) - charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:35 -0500 -Thread-Topic: asq online -Thread-Index: Acb9LNKtTQzBaEAaTeGuONvhbI6VIAAAHrYg From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: RE: asq online -Tim,=20 +Tim, On Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:29 PM wrote: > ... -> Bill Page wrote: =20 +> Bill Page wrote: > > For installation on a workstation however I think it would be > > MUCH better if this was done without PHP. Certainly having > > PHP as a prerequisite on Windows is a bit too "heavy". Since @@ -72398,16 +47048,16 @@ On Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:29 PM wrote: > > (maybe a year ago?) about 10 lines of Lisp code that implements > > a simple web server. This could be implemented in Axiom as a > > command such as: -> >=20 +> > > > )browse )port 80 )start firefox -> >=20 +> > > > which would automatically start a web browser and run the web > > server script. ->=20 +> > this would be very, very slick. > i'll have to try that. > do you happen to have a pointer? ->=20 +> http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-04/msg00141.ht ml @@ -72416,40 +47066,9 @@ and related messages in the thread. In Camm's example code function 'foo' could be make to call asq and wrap the result as preformatted just like you did in PHP. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf6RN-0005iR-TQ - for mharc-axiom-developer@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:06:57 -0500 -Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf6RL-0005ho-V5 - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:06:55 -0500 -Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) - id 1Gf6RK-0005g9-ED - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:06:55 -0500 -Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) - by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gf6RK-0005fz-AL - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:06:54 -0500 -Received: from [24.154.1.26] (helo=mx-7.zoominternet.net) - by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gf6RJ-0004hU-Pz - for list; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:06:54 -0500 -Received: from pop-1.zoominternet.net (mua-1.zoominternet.net [24.154.1.44]) - by mx-7.zoominternet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA136ZKk005583 - for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:06:43 -0500 -Received: (qmail 14359 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2006 03:06:35 -0000 -Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.233.73]) - (envelope-sender Tim Daly) - by pop-1.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 1 Nov 2006 03:06:35 -0000 -Received: (from root@localhost) - by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id kA12uol03782; - Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:56:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:56:50 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: silver--1--patch-10 @@ -72459,6 +47078,3 @@ Improve the database documentation 20061031 tpd src/interp/daase.lisp add database documentation 20061031 tpd src/etc/asq.c add database documentation - - - diff --git a/book/2006-11.txt b/book/2006-11.txt index 481f5f0..166fe9a 100644 --- a/book/2006-11.txt +++ b/book/2006-11.txt @@ -177,7 +177,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:16:53 -0500 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1GfHpD-0005Fl-00; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:16:19 -0500 -To: Colin Turner +To: Colin Turner <54k62mnbri.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> <4546412E.4020904@ulster.ac.uk> From: Camm Maguire Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:16:19 -0500 @@ -191,7 +191,7 @@ thanks Greetings, and thanks so much for your feedback! -Colin Turner writes: +Colin Turner writes: > Hi Camm, > @@ -5178,7 +5178,7 @@ Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) To: Bill Page From: Camm Maguire Date: 02 Nov 2006 09:26:43 -0500 -Cc: list, hex@freezone.co.uk, control@bugs.debian.org, +Cc: list, Tom Hargreaves, control@bugs.debian.org, 346552@bugs.debian.org Subject: msgfmt requirement in GCL @@ -7248,7 +7248,7 @@ To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 00:31:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: Camm Maguire, list, 346552@bugs.debian.org, - hex@freezone.co.uk + Tom Hargreaves I wrote: > root wrote: @@ -21971,7 +21971,7 @@ Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically From: Camm Maguire Date: 06 Nov 2006 08:59:36 -0500 -Cc: list, 346552@bugs.debian.org, hex@freezone.co.uk +Cc: list, 346552@bugs.debian.org, Tom Hargreaves Greetings, and thanks for looking into this! @@ -47996,7 +47996,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1Gl5qE-0000Vi-CV; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:41:22 +0100 To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, Waldek Hebisch + Christian Aistleitner, Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <455DB8E9.6030309@yahoo.com> @@ -48912,7 +48912,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <9qodr6w066.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Nov 2006 17:07:43 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -49478,7 +49478,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <9qirhef3gq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Nov 2006 17:57:44 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -49571,7 +49571,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 Nov 2006 18:13:03 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -49643,7 +49643,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 Nov 2006 17:22:13 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -49777,7 +49777,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <9q64def140.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Nov 2006 18:20:59 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -50289,7 +50289,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 Nov 2006 19:26:52 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -50855,7 +50855,7 @@ Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <9qk61uoro3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Nov 2006 21:56:04 +0100 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -55363,7 +55363,7 @@ Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) for list; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:50:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 62833 invoked by uid 89); 20 Nov 2006 08:49:43 -0000 -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:49:43 +0100 Cc: list @@ -55595,7 +55595,7 @@ Received: from localhost (grozin@localhost) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:50:23 +0600 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:50:23 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin -To: Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <20061120084943.62832.qmail@mail.xmt.at> @@ -55647,7 +55647,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:54:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:54:03 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: ghue@xmt.at +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <20061120084943.62832.qmail@mail.xmt.at> @@ -55691,7 +55691,7 @@ Received: (qmail 66390 invoked by uid 89); 20 Nov 2006 10:07:59 -0000 <20061120084943.62832.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Andrey G. Grozin Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:07:59 +0100 Cc: list @@ -55765,7 +55765,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:42:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:42:38 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: ghue@xmt.at +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again <20061120084943.62832.qmail@mail.xmt.at> @@ -57282,7 +57282,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:20:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:20:33 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: ghue@xmt.at +To: Gernot Hueber <20061120084943.62832.qmail@mail.xmt.at> <200611200954.kAK9s3N18142@localhost.localdomain> @@ -57328,7 +57328,7 @@ Received: (qmail 43913 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2006 14:43:31 -0000 <200611200954.kAK9s3N18142@localhost.localdomain> <20061121085821.27739.qmail@mail.xmt.at> <200611211420.kALEKXv19692@localhost.localdomain> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:43:31 +0100 Cc: list @@ -57389,7 +57389,7 @@ Received: (from gdr@localhost) by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id kALExqL6025066; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:59:52 +0100 Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Gernot Hueber" +To: Gernot Hueber <20061120084943.62832.qmail@mail.xmt.at> <200611200954.kAK9s3N18142@localhost.localdomain> @@ -57401,7 +57401,7 @@ Date: 21 Nov 2006 15:59:52 +0100 Cc: list Subject: Re: GCL and elf-loader -"Gernot Hueber" writes: +Gernot Hueber writes: | In the meantime I had a look to www.swig.org, which has been mention | on the axiom-* lists recently. IMHO it should be possible to generate @@ -57441,7 +57441,7 @@ Received: (qmail 45655 invoked by uid 89); 21 Nov 2006 15:21:56 -0000 <200611211420.kALEKXv19692@localhost.localdomain> <20061121144331.43912.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:21:56 +0100 Cc: list @@ -57451,7 +57451,7 @@ Hi, Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> "Gernot Hueber" writes: +> Gernot Hueber writes: > > | In the meantime I had a look to www.swig.org, which has been mention > | on the axiom-* lists recently. IMHO it should be possible to generate @@ -58460,7 +58460,7 @@ Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gmpul-0004PP-Ld for list; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:05:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 95370 invoked by uid 89); 22 Nov 2006 11:04:58 -0000 -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom Video Documentation Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:04:58 +0100 @@ -81270,7 +81270,7 @@ Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Goyq6-0004QG-Eq for list; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:01:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 6528 invoked by uid 89); 28 Nov 2006 09:01:01 -0000 -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Ralf Ralf Hemmecke Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:01:01 +0100 Cc: list, axiom-mail@nongnu.org @@ -82130,7 +82130,7 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@google.com] +> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:Ben Collins-Sussman] > Sent: October 9, 2006 2:14 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis; list @@ -82518,7 +82518,7 @@ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:44:01 -0500 Thread-Topic: build-improvements on cygwin Thread-Index: AccTJ3r7MLSV88wYRqOXfrnvuAfKCAABXacg From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman Cc: list Ben, @@ -82678,7 +82678,7 @@ Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@google.com]=20 +> From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:Ben Collins-Sussman]=20 > Sent: October 9, 2006 2:14 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis; list @@ -82752,7 +82752,7 @@ To: Bill Page Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Nov 2006 23:16:38 +0100 -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, list Bill Page writes: @@ -82812,7 +82812,7 @@ Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr1447050agb.1164752986836; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.120.2 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:29:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:29:46 -0600 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin @@ -82876,7 +82876,7 @@ Received: (from gdr@localhost) by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id kASN0D85002019; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:00:13 +0100 Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin <944683b40611281429v6474a059k278c72893019a6d8@mail.gmail.com> @@ -82884,7 +82884,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Nov 2006 00:00:13 +0100 Cc: list -"Ben Collins-Sussman" writes: +"Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman writes: | On 28 Nov 2006 23:16:38 +0100, Gabriel Dos Reis | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -82954,7 +82954,7 @@ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:14:57 -0500 Thread-Topic: build-improvements on cygwin Thread-Index: AccTPMHYw5Rr2qSFT1ST2DVLtaNALAAAHheQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" , +To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman, "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list @@ -83091,7 +83091,7 @@ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:28:00 -0500 Thread-Topic: build-improvements on cygwin Thread-Index: AccTQcXinO5PZih2Q3GTlS7DMqToGwAAX9RA From: Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, "Ben Collins-Sussman" +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman Cc: list On Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:00 PM Gaby wrote: @@ -83162,7 +83162,7 @@ To: Bill Page Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Nov 2006 00:45:01 +0100 -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, list Bill Page writes: @@ -83245,7 +83245,7 @@ Received: by 10.90.115.4 with SMTP id n4mr1761998agc.1164763985346; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.120.2 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:33:05 -0600 -From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +From: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin @@ -83319,7 +83319,7 @@ Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:11:55 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman , list +Cc: Ben Collins-Sussman, list Bill Page wrote: > To understand my motivation it is important to note that the svn @@ -83523,7 +83523,7 @@ Received: (from gdr@localhost) by zeus.integrable-solutions.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id kAT3ZDBH006346; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:35:13 +0100 Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" +To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: Re: build-improvements on cygwin <944683b40611281733h1adfcdfdxbd5fabdc5aa8f643@mail.gmail.com> @@ -83531,7 +83531,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Nov 2006 04:35:12 +0100 Cc: list -"Ben Collins-Sussman" writes: +"Ben Collins-Sussman" Ben Collins-Sussman writes: | On 29 Nov 2006 00:45:01 +0100, Gabriel Dos Reis | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: diff --git a/book/2006-12.txt b/book/2006-12.txt index 2ec4498..3c8eded 100644 --- a/book/2006-12.txt +++ b/book/2006-12.txt @@ -7678,7 +7678,7 @@ Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1Gtesn-0002wW-Iy for list; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:43:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 58409 invoked by uid 89); 11 Dec 2006 06:43:02 -0000 -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Nag libraries Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:43:02 +0100 @@ -8999,7 +8999,7 @@ Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Gtrlq-0001Ue-00; Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:29:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Nag libraries -To: Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:29:06 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list @@ -11686,7 +11686,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:54:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 03:54:04 -0500 From: Tim Daly -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: factor bug @@ -11725,11 +11725,11 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gw3W0-0002kr-Bt for list; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:25:48 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 9549261; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:25:46 -0500 -From: "William Sit" -To: Tim Daly,"William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit +To: Tim Daly,"William Sit" William Sit Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:25:46 -0500 Cc: list Subject: Re: factor bug @@ -11802,10 +11802,10 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gw3ae-00047H-8R for list; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:30:36 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 9549274; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:30:34 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: [#329 fuzzy error in factor.] Windows version seems correct. To: Tim Daly,"William Sit" William Sit @@ -11913,10 +11913,10 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gw4NX-0007XX-M3 for list; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:21:07 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 9549526; Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:21:06 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:21:06 -0500 Cc: list @@ -12152,10 +12152,10 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GwHTL-0003KK-MQ for list; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:19:59 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.150.221] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 9554323; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 07:20:00 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing To: Martin Rubey,axiom-dev , aldor-l @@ -12257,7 +12257,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1GwIMy-0005YY-Ui; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:17:28 +0100 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:17:27 +0100 @@ -12265,7 +12265,7 @@ Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l Dear William, -"William Sit" writes: +"William Sit" William Sit writes: > Martin: > @@ -12487,7 +12487,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.221]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JAH00J14FND72E0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:35:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:35:38 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <4586DF7A.AC9CAF63@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -12808,7 +12808,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1Gwaz3-0002DR-7W; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:10:01 +0100 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing <9qejqxmjh4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4586DF7A.AC9CAF63@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -13037,7 +13037,7 @@ Received: from [156.17.86.1] (helo=hera.math.uni.wroc.pl) Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Gwqr7-00051v-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:06:53 +0100 Subject: re: factor bug -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:06:53 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list @@ -13196,7 +13196,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.221]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JAJ006H1ZWTA7M4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:48:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:48:31 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <4588B28F.C49EC015@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -13628,7 +13628,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1Gwxqv-0005SG-0I; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:35:09 +0100 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing <9qejqxmjh4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4586DF7A.AC9CAF63@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -14478,7 +14478,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.221]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JAN00JGK5SG704D@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:48:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:48:20 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: a problem, maybe with strict typing To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <458AF314.AA79042A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> diff --git a/book/2007-01.txt b/book/2007-01.txt index 7b42cba..019be39 100644 --- a/book/2007-01.txt +++ b/book/2007-01.txt @@ -900,10 +900,10 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from [134.74.38.100] (helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H2M8A-0006KC-LP for list; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:31:14 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.150.17] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.150.17] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 9727591; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:31:13 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer To: Waldek Hebisch,list Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:31:13 -0500 @@ -985,7 +985,7 @@ Received: from [62.218.130.236] (helo=mail.xmt.at) for list; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:35:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 86644 invoked by uid 89); 4 Jan 2007 07:34:55 -0000 <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:34:55 +0100 @@ -1056,7 +1056,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.is4all.net [194.187.177.126]) Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:41:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:42:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> <20070104073455.86643.qmail@mail.xmt.at> @@ -2215,7 +2215,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.17]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JBE00JYLRHSEM89@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:32:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:32:22 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: list Message-id: <459E99B6.E415C94A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -2264,7 +2264,7 @@ Received: from asus ([207.35.46.72]) by mail209.megamailservers.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l05JK5sv014741; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:20:19 -0500 From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: , +To: William Sit, Subject: RE: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:19:56 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -2982,7 +2982,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.17]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JBF00DL0PF0NVLT@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:45:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:45:09 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch To: Bill Page Message-id: <459F4575.CD2C0E8D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -6912,7 +6912,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.250.14 with SMTP id c14mr3719065qbs.1169243707007; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.139.16 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0600 -From: TheChao +From: TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger To: gcl-devel@gnu.org boundary="----=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975" Cc: list @@ -6966,7 +6966,7 @@ Received: by 10.64.181.12 with SMTP id d12mr3758045qbf.1169244261853; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.139.16 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:04:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:04:21 -0600 -From: TheChao +From: TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger To: gcl-devel@gnu.org boundary="----=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823" Cc: list @@ -6979,7 +6979,7 @@ etc. These install the correct links for development. -Jacob S. -On 1/19/07, TheChao wrote: +On 1/19/07, TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: > > The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh > checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error: @@ -6999,7 +6999,7 @@ On 1/19/07, TheChao wrote: ------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823 Appears to be solved by installing dev-versions of gmp, gcl, X11, readline, etc. These install the correct links for development.

-Jacob S.

On 1/19/07, -TheChao <jaroslov@gmail.com> wrote:
+TheChao <Jaroslov Rosenberger> wrote:
The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error:

>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6  & /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0)

cheers,
-Jacob S.


diff --git a/book/2007-02.txt b/book/2007-02.txt index 478d717..9f2b672 100644 --- a/book/2007-02.txt +++ b/book/2007-02.txt @@ -2266,7 +2266,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.17]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JCW00D7QMTQJYY3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:41:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: list Message-id: <45C4F395.D6E8ED98@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -2335,7 +2335,7 @@ William -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -2361,17 +2361,17 @@ Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HDS1Y-0007bp-K2 for list; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:02:17 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.150.17] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.150.17] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 10362525 for ; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:02:13 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows To: list Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:02:13 -0500 On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 - William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: > >> System error: > The storage for CONS is exhausted. >Currently, 82689 pages are allocated. @@ -2421,7 +2421,7 @@ Received: from hera.math.uni.wroc.pl ([156.17.86.1]) Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HDSOJ-0008Gu-00; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:25:47 +0100 Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:25:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list @@ -2478,13 +2478,13 @@ Received: from ALille-251-1-57-203.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:38:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:39:05 +0100 Cc: list Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit :=20 > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 -> William Sit wrote: +> William Sit wrote: > > >> System error: > > The storage for CONS is exhausted. > >Currently, 82689 pages are allocated. @@ -2776,7 +2776,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.150.17]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JCX0062KLDBZ9FB@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:08:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:08:03 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows To: Waldek Hebisch Message-id: <45C5A273.6AFB5448@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -2978,7 +2978,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch wrote: -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -6538,7 +6538,7 @@ To: Tim Daly <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Feb 2007 12:17:26 +0100 -Cc: Igor Khavkine , list +Cc: Igor Khavkine Igor Khavkine, list Subject: new AXIOM release(s) Dear Tim, *, diff --git a/book/2007-03.txt b/book/2007-03.txt index 4145cce..c1f4956 100644 --- a/book/2007-03.txt +++ b/book/2007-03.txt @@ -2112,7 +2112,7 @@ Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Mar 2007 08:34:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:34:25 +0100 To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, 'axiom-dev' -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: 'aldor-l' Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release @@ -20361,7 +20361,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] To: Tim Daly From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:11:00 +0200 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox Tim Daly writes: @@ -20513,7 +20513,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox <9qtzw4bhbf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list Hello, diff --git a/book/2007-04.txt b/book/2007-04.txt index 808dd11..2369c15 100644 --- a/book/2007-04.txt +++ b/book/2007-04.txt @@ -5966,7 +5966,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:03:20 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HYjYK-00082h-Jt + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1HYjYK-00082h-Jt for list; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:00:05 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Apr 2007 14:00:02 -0000 Received: from 85-124-72-212.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO @@ -5976,7 +5976,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-72-212.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:59:58 +0200 To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, aldor-l , axiom-dev -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] kTuple wish @@ -6190,7 +6190,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:22:31 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HYlj0-0003mj-H4 + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1HYlj0-0003mj-H4 for list; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:19:14 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Apr 2007 16:19:12 -0000 Received: from 85-124-72-194.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) @@ -6201,7 +6201,7 @@ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:19:11 +0200 To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, Martin Rubey Subject: re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner <9qtzw4bhbf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <460B7B6F.9030002@hemmecke.de> Cc: list @@ -20963,7 +20963,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:58:33 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.235]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HcCrS-00069Z-3u + (envelope-from Jeremy Siek) id 1HcCrS-00069Z-3u for list; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:54:11 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so1637970nzi for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:54:09 -0700 (PDT) @@ -20979,7 +20979,7 @@ Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [67.176.56.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j4sm2391969nzd.2007.04.12.20.54.06; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:54:07 -0700 (PDT) To: list -From: Jeremy Siek +From: Jeremy Siek Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:54:07 -0600 Subject: CFP: Library-Centric Software Design 2007 @@ -33361,7 +33361,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca ([130.113.64.83]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HgiEJ-00047A-Tp + (envelope-from Jacques Carette) id 1HgiEJ-00047A-Tp for list; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from Gorash7.UTS.McMaster.CA (Gorash7.UTS.mcmaster.ca [130.113.196.61]) @@ -33376,7 +33376,7 @@ Received: from [74.109.166.109] (account carette@univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca HELO by cgpsrv2.cis.mcmaster.ca (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 171196091; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:03:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:51 -0400 -From: Jacques Carette +From: Jacques Carette To: list, "'aldor-l'" , Haskell Cafe , OCaml , epigram@durham.ac.uk, diff --git a/book/2007-05.txt b/book/2007-05.txt index a725c74..914be30 100644 --- a/book/2007-05.txt +++ b/book/2007-05.txt @@ -41755,10 +41755,10 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from www.xmt.at ([62.218.130.236] helo=mail.xmt.at) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HqvGS-00009e-1h + (envelope-from Gernot Hueber) id 1HqvGS-00009e-1h for list; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:08:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 61779 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2007 18:08:31 -0000 -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:08:31 +0200 @@ -54793,9 +54793,9 @@ Regards, Bill Page. ------ Forwarded message from wdjoyner@gmail.com ----- +----- Forwarded message from David Joyner ----- Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:39:23 -0400 - From: David Joyner + From: David Joyner Subject: [sage-devel] NSF white paper draft - call for comments To: Emil Volcheck, sage-devel@googlegroups.com @@ -55194,13 +55194,13 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1Ht1P3-0008Em-Dz; Tue, 29 May 2007 15:06:21 +0200 -To: "Igor Khavkine" +To: Igor Khavkine From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 May 2007 15:06:20 +0200 Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] BasicOperator's %eval property -"Igor Khavkine" writes: +Igor Khavkine writes: > Greetings Axiom gurus! Here's some more weirdness that I'd like to > understand better. I snipped all the "Loading ..." messages. Any @@ -57977,14 +57977,14 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from www.xmt.at ([62.218.130.236] helo=mail.xmt.at) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HtgQ5-0007LP-Vd + (envelope-from Gernot Hueber) id 1HtgQ5-0007LP-Vd for list; Thu, 31 May 2007 04:54:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 296 invoked by uid 89); 31 May 2007 08:53:45 -0000 <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <9q6469li7a.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:53:45 +0200 @@ -58067,7 +58067,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1HthWg-0001wq-KJ; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:05:02 +0200 -To: "Gernot Hueber" +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: NAG libraries <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -58078,7 +58078,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 May 2007 12:05:02 +0200 Cc: axiom-devel -"Gernot Hueber" writes: +Gernot Hueber writes: > Dear Martin, I agree with you, but from a somewhat different point of view. > There are several highly interesting and important libraries in addition to @@ -58354,7 +58354,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from www.xmt.at ([62.218.130.236] helo=mail.xmt.at) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HtieB-0004N6-LW + (envelope-from Gernot Hueber) id 1HtieB-0004N6-LW for list; Thu, 31 May 2007 07:16:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 13233 invoked by uid 89); 31 May 2007 11:16:47 -0000 <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -58363,7 +58363,7 @@ Received: (qmail 13233 invoked by uid 89); 31 May 2007 11:16:47 -0000 <9q6469li7a.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <20070531085345.295.qmail@mail.xmt.at> <9qodk11f75.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:16:47 +0200 @@ -58375,7 +58375,7 @@ Gernot Martin Rubey writes: -> "Gernot Hueber" writes: +> Gernot Hueber writes: > >> Dear Martin, I agree with you, but from a somewhat different point of view. >> There are several highly interesting and important libraries in addition to @@ -58414,11 +58414,11 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from www.xmt.at ([62.218.130.236] helo=mail.xmt.at) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HtipO-0005ct-BK + (envelope-from Gernot Hueber) id 1HtipO-0005ct-BK for list; Thu, 31 May 2007 07:28:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 14309 invoked by uid 89); 31 May 2007 11:28:24 -0000 <9qhcptl2cf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: "Gernot Hueber" +From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:28:24 +0200 diff --git a/book/2007-06.txt b/book/2007-06.txt index 872f24e..3462637 100644 --- a/book/2007-06.txt +++ b/book/2007-06.txt @@ -9165,7 +9165,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1HvHou-0007ZW-B1; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:02:24 +0200 -To: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at +To: Christian Aistleitner <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jun 2007 21:02:23 +0200 @@ -9654,7 +9654,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page On 06/04/2007 09:16 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -9798,7 +9798,7 @@ Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -9915,7 +9915,7 @@ Subject: AxiomUnit, was: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jun 2007 22:57:55 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page , Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -9977,7 +9977,7 @@ Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page On 06/04/2007 10:42 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -13128,7 +13128,7 @@ Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> <46647E02.1000500@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -13376,7 +13376,7 @@ Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk <46647E02.1000500@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page > | > (1) we should have standalone bootsys, that can translate, compile @@ -14093,7 +14093,7 @@ Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk <466566C5.4040603@hemmecke.de> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:43:17 -0500 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18086,7 +18086,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:22:03 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HwZjP-0004Xz-AM + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1HwZjP-0004Xz-AM for list; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:22:03 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2007 08:22:01 -0000 Received: from 85-124-72-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) @@ -18095,7 +18095,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-72-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) G9+k0kjm8cac/F Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:22:03 +0200 To: Martin Rubey -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qps4bbl1c.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page , @@ -18157,7 +18157,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:47:43 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1Hwa8E-0007FU-Nv + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1Hwa8E-0007FU-Nv for list; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:47:43 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Jun 2007 08:47:41 -0000 Received: from 85-124-72-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) @@ -18167,7 +18167,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-72-216.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:47:43 +0200 To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> @@ -18298,7 +18298,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.153.10 with SMTP id f10mr4998361qbo.1181309700687; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:35:00 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: "Christian Aistleitner" +To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner boundary="----=_Part_48112_14189798.1181309700648" <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qps4bbl1c.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -21517,7 +21517,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:37:36 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxTEF-0000cj-Vx + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxTEF-0000cj-Vx for list; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:37:36 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.129.224]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -21525,7 +21525,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.129.224]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJF00FAVQIEIYW0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:37:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:37:28 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <466C52F8.C249126E@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -21601,13 +21601,13 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1HxTLK-0001Hx-O6; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) > Loading @@ -21667,7 +21667,7 @@ Cc: list On 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: -> William Sit writes: +> William Sit writes: > > > (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) > > Loading @@ -21719,7 +21719,7 @@ Bill Page. ------=_Part_61636_17269102.1181509365093
On 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote:
-
William Sit <wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> writes:

> (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) +
William Sit <William Sit> writes:

> (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)
>    Loading
> /OpenAxiom/axiom014/mnt/windows/lib/hyper.NRLIB/code for
>       package HyperDoc
>    Loading
> j:/OpenAxiom/axiom014/mnt/windows/algebra/OPQUERY.o for
>       package OperationsQuery
>
>    >> System error:
>    GREP is invalid as a function.
>
> protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL)
>
>
> I put GREP.EXE (windows version) into the same directory,
> but the same error.

Try to put grep into the path. I guess that it's called by boot.
@@ -21984,7 +21984,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1HxemW-0001nH-14; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:57:44 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:57:43 +0200 Cc: list @@ -22157,7 +22157,7 @@ to compile wh-sandbox or build-improvements in windows? On 6/10/07, Bill Page wrote: > On 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: -> > William Sit writes: +> > William Sit writes: > > > > > (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) > > > Loading @@ -22232,13 +22232,13 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxhsX-0007VU-5k + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxhsX-0007VU-5k for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:16:09 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11262118; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:16:04 -0400 -From: "William Sit" -To: Martin Rubey,wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +From: "William Sit" William Sit +To: Martin Rubey,William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:16:04 -0400 Cc: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows @@ -22304,12 +22304,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxiCP-0002Ru-U9 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxiCP-0002Ru-U9 for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:36:42 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11262188; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:36:39 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows To: Alfredo Portes,"Bill Page" @@ -22396,20 +22396,20 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxiZm-00061n-O2 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxiZm-00061n-O2 for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:00:51 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11262244; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:00:46 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -To: "William Sit" ,"Alfredo Portes" +To: "William Sit" William Sit,"Alfredo Portes" Alfredo Portes, "Bill Page" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:00:46 -0400 Cc: list On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:36:39 -0400 - "William Sit" wrote: + "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >(1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) >grep.exe: libdb.text: No such file or directory @@ -22494,13 +22494,13 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1HxjLQ-0005c8-OX; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:50:04 +0200 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 14:50:04 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -"William Sit" writes: +"William Sit" William Sit writes: > (1) -> )library hyper > HyperDoc is now explicitly exposed in frame initial @@ -22618,21 +22618,21 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxkH9-00061R-Ij + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxkH9-00061R-Ij for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11262877; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit To: Martin Rubey,"William Sit" - + William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 Cc: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On 11 Jun 2007 14:50:04 +0200 Martin Rubey wrote: ->"William Sit" writes: +>"William Sit" William Sit writes: > >> (1) -> )library hyper >> HyperDoc is now explicitly exposed in frame initial @@ -22709,20 +22709,20 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxkPa-0007D0-0K + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxkPa-0007D0-0K for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:58:26 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11262959; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:58:26 -0400 -From: "William Sit" -To: "William Sit" ,Martin Rubey - Martin Rubey,"William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit +To: "William Sit" William Sit,Martin Rubey + Martin Rubey,"William Sit" William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:58:26 -0400 Cc: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 - "William Sit" wrote: + "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)$Lisp > >simply "freeze" with no output. According to my firewall, @@ -22781,7 +22781,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1Hxlas-0002Xt-9E; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:14:10 +0200 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 17:14:09 +0200 Cc: list @@ -22791,10 +22791,10 @@ Dear William, first of all, thank you for your patience! -"William Sit" writes: +"William Sit" William Sit writes: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 -> "William Sit" wrote: +> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: > >SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)$Lisp > > > > simply "freeze" with no output. According to my firewall, it did ask to be a @@ -23064,7 +23064,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:55:38 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxmEz-0006AH-W1 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxmEz-0006AH-W1 for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:55:38 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.129.224]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -23072,7 +23072,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.129.224]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJH00AZFAW7UUQ8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:55:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:55:21 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <466D7069.7A151E30@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -23249,7 +23249,7 @@ Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows Martin Rubey writes: -> William Sit writes: +> William Sit writes: > > > > roughly: (I put > > > @@ -23356,12 +23356,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxmlG-0002U5-9L + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxmlG-0002U5-9L for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:28:58 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.129.224] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11264235; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:28:49 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows To: Franz Lehner ,Martin Rubey Martin Rubey @@ -24463,7 +24463,7 @@ Received: from asus ( [208.114.151.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w43sm7073545pyg.2007.06.11.12.52.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bill Page" -To: "'William Sit'" +To: "'William Sit'" William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:50:12 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Thread-Index: AcepkUGkBRv5nZWdRNenprxWsVw8RACzpaEg @@ -25336,7 +25336,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:44:16 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1HxtYV-0001EJ-SV + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1HxtYV-0001EJ-SV for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:44:16 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.129.224]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -25344,7 +25344,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.129.224]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJH0019DWL5143C@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:43:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:43:56 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: list Message-id: <466DDE3C.EF43F09D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -25584,7 +25584,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.219.20 with SMTP id w20mr8476647qbq.1181620913748; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:01:53 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: re: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed to be positive?]Functions and Segments Cc: list @@ -26169,7 +26169,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:24:17 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1Hy6M5-00013T-7h + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1Hy6M5-00013T-7h for list; 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William On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:11:25 -0400 - William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: >According the Microsoft, after World Wide Web Publishing >started, web pages should be placed in >C:\Inetpub\wwwroot. @@ -32103,7 +32103,7 @@ Received: by 10.64.213.3 with SMTP id l3mr5541506qbg.1181926723110; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:58:42 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: Hyperdoc Cc: Camm Maguire, list @@ -39513,7 +39513,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:05:53 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I1Hfs-00021y-OR + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I1Hfs-00021y-OR for list; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:05:52 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -39521,7 +39521,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJZ00BBA7TEXHU6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:05:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:05:38 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: exact quotient To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <467A3152.A81352F8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -39775,7 +39775,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1I1Hrh-0007cW-7N; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:18:05 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: exact quotient <9qy7iebafy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <467A3152.A81352F8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -39843,7 +39843,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1I1JRW-0003l8-21; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:59:10 +0200 To: Waldek Hebisch, list, - William Sit + William Sit Subject: Re: exact quotient <9qbqf9ud0t.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qbqf9n2o8.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -40048,7 +40048,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:36:39 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I1Pe9-0004tp-Ch + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I1Pe9-0004tp-Ch for list; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:36:38 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -40056,7 +40056,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJZ004BFVGK0RHA@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:36:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:36:11 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: exact quotient To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <467AA8FB.19BC778@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -40213,7 +40213,7 @@ William -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -51502,7 +51502,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:45:54 -0400 Received: from mailgate1.eduhi.at ([193.170.67.93]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I33s9-00008l-42 + (envelope-from Gernot Hueber) id 1I33s9-00008l-42 for list; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:45:53 -0400 Received: from mailgate1.eduhi.at (mg1-deliver [127.0.0.254]) by mailgate1.eduhi.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CDC3970F4; @@ -51520,7 +51520,7 @@ Received: from djian (djian [192.168.72.4]) by djian.hueber.cc (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7574572; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: New dynamic library access in GCL -From: Gernot Hueber +From: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber To: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:45:31 +0200 VDF: 6.39.0.56; host: mg1-av) @@ -51849,7 +51849,7 @@ On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 20:15 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > Enjoy! > -- -Gernot Hueber +Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber @@ -52258,7 +52258,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axisp news <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jun 2007 12:20:13 +0200 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke Dear Stephen, @@ -52363,7 +52363,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1I38iG-0004ou-AF; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:56:00 +0200 -To: Stephen Wilson, christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, +To: Stephen Wilson, Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axisp news @@ -52426,7 +52426,7 @@ Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:19:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , aldor-l Subject: Problem kTuple wish 2. @@ -52555,7 +52555,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel > Yes, constants may contain mutable data. But that's just as in other > languages. It is true that you can say @@ -53935,7 +53935,7 @@ Received: from intech19.enhanced.com ([192.168.2.19] ident=Debian-exim) id 1I3Ex1-00043p-NO; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:35:39 -0400 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 4.50) id 1I3Ex1-0004cQ-FA; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:35:39 -0400 -To: Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: [Maxima] New dynamic library access in GCL <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> From: Camm Maguire @@ -53945,7 +53945,7 @@ Cc: Maxima List , list, Greetings! -Gernot Hueber writes: +Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: > Dear Camm, > @@ -54319,7 +54319,7 @@ Take care, > > Enjoy! > > > -- -> Gernot Hueber +> Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber > _______________________________________________ > Maxima mailing list > Maxima@math.utexas.edu @@ -54874,7 +54874,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axisp news <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 14:07:45 -0400 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke Martin Rubey writes: @@ -55145,7 +55145,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46810445.8010705@hemmecke.de> From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 14:43:51 -0400 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , aldor-l Subject: Re: Problem kTuple wish 2. @@ -55225,7 +55225,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axisp news <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jun 2007 20:46:25 +0200 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -55355,7 +55355,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel On 06/26/2007 08:07 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -55538,7 +55538,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axisp news <9q7ipqlfjy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:12:12 -0400 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke Martin, @@ -55646,7 +55646,7 @@ Subject: Re: combinat mailing list <87ir9awmwj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jun 2007 21:34:10 +0200 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -55789,7 +55789,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axisp news <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:43:39 -0400 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -55939,7 +55939,7 @@ Subject: Re: combinat mailing list <9qbqf2cxxp.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:57:54 -0400 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke @@ -56398,7 +56398,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l5QMdSkF032125; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:39:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:39:28 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: a suggestion @@ -56440,7 +56440,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel >> I must say, no matter whether it is syntactic sugar or not, a >> definition of the form @@ -56620,7 +56620,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axisp news <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 18:54:28 -0400 -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -56724,7 +56724,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:52 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I3KAQ-0007Wz-F5 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I3KAQ-0007Wz-F5 for list; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:51 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -56732,7 +56732,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JK900EINN04PRM3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:09:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:43 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Message-id: <46819CB7.5ED343A8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -56980,7 +56980,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.253.6 with SMTP id f6mr12325006qbs.1182901565764; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:46:05 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold Cc: list @@ -57031,7 +57031,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.150.18 with SMTP id c18mr12269695qbo.1182903190732; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:13:10 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold Cc: list @@ -57158,7 +57158,7 @@ Received: by 10.64.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr2271586qbu.1182909383456; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:56:23 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -57452,7 +57452,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:35:03 -0400 Received: from mailgate2.eduhi.at ([193.170.67.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I3UrW-00007S-TZ + (envelope-from Gernot Hueber) id 1I3UrW-00007S-TZ for list; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:35:03 -0400 Received: from mailgate2.eduhi.at (mg2-deliver [127.0.0.254]) by mailgate2.eduhi.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E463F7716; @@ -57469,7 +57469,7 @@ Received: from djian.hueber.cc (unknown [10.221.1.41]) Received: from djian (djian [192.168.72.4]) by djian.hueber.cc (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE855454D; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:17:24 +0200 (CEST) -From: Gernot Hueber +From: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:17:24 +0200 VDF: 6.39.0.65; host: mg2-av) @@ -57753,7 +57753,7 @@ Received: from hera.math.uni.wroc.pl ([156.17.86.1]) for list; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:01:02 -0400 Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1I3VGI-0006i9-00; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:00:38 +0200 -To: Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:00:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list @@ -59532,7 +59532,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:47:19 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I3y5P-0002X8-03 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I3y5P-0002X8-03 for list; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:47:19 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -59540,7 +59540,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKC00G1XXECNBU0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:47:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:46:57 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: A modest proposal To: Tim Daly Message-id: <4683F411.A0B6A79E@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -59900,7 +59900,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l5SMs95k024637; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:54:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:54:09 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: A modest proposal @@ -60343,7 +60343,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:36:56 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I46Lv-00070F-Su + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I46Lv-00070F-Su for list; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:36:56 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -60351,7 +60351,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKD00CSWLX5E0M6@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:36:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:36:41 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Tim Daly Message-id: <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -60890,7 +60890,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l5T6Rktn015379; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:27:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:27:46 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: A modest proposal @@ -60930,7 +60930,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l5T8B9lM019648; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:11:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:11:09 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: A modest proposal @@ -61206,7 +61206,7 @@ Received: from [193.170.39.82] (hemmecke@conf-82.risc.uni-linz.ac.at Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:07:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:07:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: re: A modest proposal <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: list @@ -61647,7 +61647,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:44:32 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I4MOO-0007km-11 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I4MOO-0007km-11 for list; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:44:32 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -61655,7 +61655,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKE00GV9XHKNGO5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:44:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:44:08 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Tim Daly Message-id: <46856108.D20DEE4C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -61697,7 +61697,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:11:42 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I4Mog-0003t0-1p + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I4Mog-0003t0-1p for list; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:11:42 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -61705,7 +61705,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKE00GXXYR6MVU5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:11:30 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Tim Daly Message-id: <46856772.84C52605@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -62038,11 +62038,11 @@ Received: from [216.174.43.195] by web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:39:48 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, Tim Daly +To: William Sit, Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Paper usage policy (for authors) ---- William Sit wrote: +--- William Sit wrote: > There is one problem: I do not know whether copyright (by > Journal of Symbolic Computation) may be violated if large @@ -63024,7 +63024,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: LogiWeb -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-dev , grue@diku.dk >> http://logiweb.eu/ @@ -64038,7 +64038,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:25:21 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I4YGf-0003Ac-Gt + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I4YGf-0003Ac-Gt for list; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:25:21 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -64046,7 +64046,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKF00G30WPVNIA8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:25:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:25:08 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Waldek Hebisch Message-id: <46861364.AD65F2B8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -64461,7 +64461,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:35:00 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I4aI7-0001W6-Qx + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I4aI7-0001W6-Qx for list; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:35:00 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -64469,7 +64469,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.158.66]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKG00GO82PNNF08@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:34:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:34:35 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation) To: Ralf Hemmecke Message-id: <468631BB.B8DEC676@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -64839,7 +64839,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.cybnes.com [194.187.177.88]) Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:46:17 +0200 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:46:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation) <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> @@ -64934,7 +64934,7 @@ Received: from [70.161.121.252] by web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Fork time -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, Waldek Hebisch +To: William Sit, Waldek Hebisch Cc: list I think one way to look at this fork (which as I think someone observed diff --git a/book/2007-07.txt b/book/2007-07.txt index 56dfa43..7df4e9d 100644 --- a/book/2007-07.txt +++ b/book/2007-07.txt @@ -1260,7 +1260,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:22:10 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I55vt-0002yC-LR + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I55vt-0002yC-LR for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:22:09 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.159]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -1268,7 +1268,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.159]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKI00K4NOKRT066@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:22:04 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Cliff Yapp Message-id: <46880CEC.1114404D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -1751,12 +1751,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I56go-00022p-BA + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I56go-00022p-BA for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:10:38 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.141.159] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.141.159] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11398648; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:10:31 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? To: Tim Daly,list Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:10:31 -0400 @@ -1921,7 +1921,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:29:14 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I56yn-00055k-V3 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I56yn-00055k-V3 for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:29:14 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.159]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -1929,7 +1929,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.159]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKI00KVEROOSTP6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:29:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:29:13 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? To: Tim Daly Message-id: <46881CA9.B1F75899@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -2042,7 +2042,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l61MCBK3017061; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:12:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:12:11 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? @@ -2094,7 +2094,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l61MM6pw017484; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:22:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:22:06 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? @@ -3322,7 +3322,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.158.9 with SMTP id k9mr9559758qbo.1183402288689; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:51:28 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? Cc: list @@ -4034,12 +4034,12 @@ Received: from [67.163.247.232] by web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:24:25 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 03:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Cc: list Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? ---- William Sit wrote: +--- William Sit wrote: > C Y wrote (Re: Paper usage policy (for authors)): > > @@ -4261,7 +4261,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: LogiWeb <46859E81.80103@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-dev Hi Ralf, @@ -8434,7 +8434,7 @@ Subject: Re: Problem kTuple wish 2. <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46810445.8010705@hemmecke.de> -Cc: christian.aistleitner@gmx.at, axiom-devel , +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , aldor-l On 6/26/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -12203,7 +12203,7 @@ Received: from intech19.enhanced.com ([192.168.2.19] ident=aptproxy) Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I7FXC-0002Lp-KN; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:01:34 -0400 -To: Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> <543b0ety8k.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> <1182888368.2658.25.camel@djian> @@ -12229,7 +12229,7 @@ Please let me know if problems persist, as they might at this point. Take care, -Gernot Hueber writes: +Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: > Dear Camm, > @@ -12327,14 +12327,14 @@ Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 11:35 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > -> > > > > Gernot Hueber writes: +> > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Camm, > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 23:08 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > Gernot Hueber writes: +> > > > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Camm, > > > > > > > > @@ -12393,13 +12393,13 @@ Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -> > > > > > > > Gernot Hueber +> > > > > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -> > > > > > Gernot Hueber +> > > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -12409,7 +12409,7 @@ Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > -- -> Gernot Hueber +> Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber > > > @@ -26559,7 +26559,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:05:52 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I90Ep-00011Z-7q + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I90Ep-00011Z-7q for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:05:51 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -26567,7 +26567,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL2002W6N92F665@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:05:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:05:29 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page , Stephen Wilson, @@ -28227,7 +28227,7 @@ Received: from lattice.localdomain (pool2-088.adsl.user.start.ca [207.35.119.88]) by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6CLJ5st020449; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:19:05 -0400 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -28249,7 +28249,7 @@ issues. I am sightly pressed for time, so Id like to just comment on a few points for now. -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: [...] > The above specification would enforce automatically the constraints > Stephen thinks Spad is currently lacking (but documented, see @@ -28698,7 +28698,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:48:25 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I98OW-0007CP-Mi + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I98OW-0007CP-Mi for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:48:24 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -28706,7 +28706,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL300H2SBFVBJL8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:47:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:47:58 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson Message-id: <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -28735,7 +28735,7 @@ domain constructions, how can we ever document the cutting edge algebra domains? Sorry, I'll try to write clearer next time around. (Clearly, it is difficult to write ...). -> William Sit writes: +> William Sit writes: > [...] > > The above specification would enforce automatically the constraints > > Stephen thinks Spad is currently lacking (but documented, see @@ -29062,7 +29062,7 @@ Received: from lattice.localdomain (pool2-088.adsl.user.start.ca [207.35.119.88]) by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6D1gQEq009227; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:42:26 -0400 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -29077,7 +29077,7 @@ Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:42:32 -0400 Cc: axiom-devel , Gabriel Dos Reis -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > Stephen Wilson wrote: > @@ -29105,7 +29105,7 @@ Many hands make light work, after all! :) Oh no, your writing was quite clear. I am a slow learner, and it can take me quite some time to digest things. -> > William Sit writes: +> > William Sit writes: > > [...] > > > The above specification would enforce automatically the constraints > > > Stephen thinks Spad is currently lacking (but documented, see @@ -29599,7 +29599,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:14:13 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I9CXk-00022H-NT + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I9CXk-00022H-NT for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:14:12 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -29607,7 +29607,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL300MHPNR1B1T2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:13:52 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson Message-id: <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -29862,7 +29862,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.244.15 with SMTP id w15mr2357819qbr.1184307383580; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:16:23 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -29876,7 +29876,7 @@ Subject: Re: Unions in Spad Cc: axiom-devel , Gabriel Dos Reis -On 7/13/07, William Sit wrote: +On 7/13/07, William Sit wrote: > .. > Whatever the primitive types are, the important thing is that there be a well-designed > user interface (exported functions) on par with all other algebra code. Right now, @@ -29979,7 +29979,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:24:54 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I9EaE-0003QR-Bb + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I9EaE-0003QR-Bb for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:24:54 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -29987,7 +29987,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL300727TSXFK68@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:24:36 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson, axiom-devel @@ -30342,7 +30342,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:29 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I9GRw-0004R5-77 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I9GRw-0004R5-77 for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:28 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -30350,7 +30350,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL300FE3ZCQ6WR9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:24:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:29 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad (Correction) To: Stephen Wilson, Gabriel Dos Reis, @@ -30506,7 +30506,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:33:39 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I9Gao-0006fi-6a + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1I9Gao-0006fi-6a for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:33:38 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -30514,7 +30514,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL300MKYZS0B193@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:33:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:33:39 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Bill Page Message-id: <469738E3.EB7B508@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -31779,7 +31779,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.cybnes.com [194.187.177.88]) Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:10:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:10:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: axiom-devel , @@ -31866,7 +31866,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.138.17] (funklan.cybnes.com [194.187.177.88]) Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:56:38 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:56:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <46971AA4.BBC78705@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: axiom-devel @@ -34584,7 +34584,7 @@ Received: from lattice.localdomain (pool2-088.adsl.user.start.ca [207.35.119.88]) by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6E1mjwx023545; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:48:45 -0400 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad (Correction) <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -34602,7 +34602,7 @@ Date: 13 Jul 2007 21:48:51 -0400 Cc: axiom-devel , Gabriel Dos Reis -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: [...] > (4) -> j1 case 1 > @@ -35232,7 +35232,7 @@ Received: from lattice.localdomain (pool4-062.adsl.user.start.ca [207.61.214.62]) by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6E3v7wF008147; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:57:07 -0400 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -35249,7 +35249,7 @@ From: Stephen Wilson Date: 13 Jul 2007 23:57:14 -0400 Cc: axiom-devel -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > In summary, we need: > > @@ -36017,7 +36017,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:41:55 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1I9cGH-0007Hr-U4 + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1I9cGH-0007Hr-U4 for list; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:41:54 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Jul 2007 07:41:51 -0000 Received: from 85-124-73-31.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO @@ -36026,7 +36026,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-73-31.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO 1OXsrNWqQkE7ij Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:41:53 +0200 To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: Christian Aistleitner <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -37944,7 +37944,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:29:01 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IABeG-0002At-Tc + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IABeG-0002At-Tc for list; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:29:01 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -37952,7 +37952,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL800150OZZ8OT8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:28:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:28:47 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson Message-id: <469A918F.1ED7E5B4@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -37970,7 +37970,7 @@ Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson wrote: -> William Sit writes: +> William Sit writes: > > In summary, we need: > > > > @@ -38318,7 +38318,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l6FLx0oM013216; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:59:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:59:00 -0500 -To: "William Sit" , +To: "William Sit" William Sit, "Stephen Wilson" Cc: list Subject: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc @@ -38354,7 +38354,7 @@ Received: from lattice.localdomain (pool2-009.adsl.user.start.ca [207.35.119.9]) by matrix.start.ca (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l6G2PaDb011342; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:25:36 -0400 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -38381,7 +38381,7 @@ I am going to keep going over these issues, and do my best to think about the possible solutions. I will just mention the things which I can make a bit of sense of at the moment. -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: [...] > ) is the following. The user can only input a list of domains as a string input, like > "[Integer, SQMATRIX(5, INT)]". We need to translate this into a list of domains, and I mean @@ -38771,7 +38771,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l6G3bJLR027076; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:37:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:37:19 -0500 -To: "William Sit" , +To: "William Sit" William Sit, "Stephen Wilson" Cc: list Subject: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc @@ -39085,7 +39085,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:16:03 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IAIwE-000666-H2 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IAIwE-000666-H2 for list; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:16:02 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -39093,7 +39093,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL900A9JAMGLBE1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:15:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:15:52 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -39292,7 +39292,7 @@ Received: from hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.72] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1IAJq1-0002Ab-9C; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:13:41 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> <9qir8lbupu.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -39350,7 +39350,7 @@ Received: from hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.72] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1IAKKW-0000re-6m; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:45:12 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> <9qir8lbupu.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -39416,7 +39416,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:22:03 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IAQWZ-0001FI-Ce + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IAQWZ-0001FI-Ce for list; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:22:03 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -39424,7 +39424,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JL900A3DX4CLD62@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:21:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:21:48 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey Message-id: <469B70EC.3A93B624@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -47898,7 +47898,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:09:24 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IBoUF-0000OO-Tu + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IBoUF-0000OO-Tu for list; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:09:24 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -47906,7 +47906,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLH001I003M0QPA@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:09:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:09:23 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? To: Waldek Hebisch Message-id: <46A07BC3.3CD175C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -48004,7 +48004,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch wrote: -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -48033,7 +48033,7 @@ Received: from hera.math.uni.wroc.pl ([156.17.86.1]) Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1IBqLo-0005w2-00; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:08:48 +0200 Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:08:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: axiom-devel @@ -48241,7 +48241,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:21:55 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IBvEp-0005Pi-FF + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IBvEp-0005Pi-FF for list; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:21:55 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -48249,7 +48249,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLH002JIK426R80@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:21:40 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? To: Waldek Hebisch Message-id: <46A0E114.37E9336C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -49065,12 +49065,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:21:16 -0400 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) - (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) + (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IC8L5-0006tj-84 for list; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:21:15 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IC8L4-0004Vl-JP + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IC8L4-0004Vl-JP for list; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:21:14 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -49078,7 +49078,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.155.113]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JLI009Y1MYGRMX1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:20:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:20:42 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Crystal, Pamphlets and LaTex To: Stephen Wilson Message-id: <46A1A5BA.AC86126F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -50372,7 +50372,7 @@ Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:29:01 -0500 -Cc: Benjamin Kosnik , list +Cc: Benjamin Kosnik, list "Bill Page" writes: @@ -51092,7 +51092,7 @@ To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion <87ejj2yxbm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: Benjamin Kosnik , list +Cc: Benjamin Kosnik, list On 21 Jul 2007 03:29:01 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > "Bill Page" writes: diff --git a/book/2007-08.txt b/book/2007-08.txt index 79aedf1..8823949 100644 --- a/book/2007-08.txt +++ b/book/2007-08.txt @@ -26217,7 +26217,7 @@ To: list <85e81ba30708120917l684939f4o395f53cc85c9e748@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: William Stein , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: William Stein, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: A plea for sanity, forks, Sage, Axiom, Fricas, Open-Axiom, Changelogs, etc. @@ -26529,7 +26529,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:51:40 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKLLX-0003DT-Qy + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKLLX-0003DT-Qy for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:51:39 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -26537,7 +26537,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMO00EWNKPAIA1K@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:51:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:51:11 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) To: Bill Page Message-id: <46BF80CF.E51CD0A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -26678,7 +26678,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.96.6 with SMTP id y6mr8227356qbl.1186956040422; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:00:40 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <873aypr1iw.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -26691,7 +26691,7 @@ Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46BF80CF.E51CD0A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis -On 8/12/07, William Sit wrote: +On 8/12/07, William Sit wrote: > Bill Page and I have a discussion on "has" and "with" on > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxCategories @@ -27121,14 +27121,14 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKMMk-000724-42 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKMMk-000724-42 for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:56:58 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.141.42] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.141.42] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11748060; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:56:51 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) -To: "Bill Page" ,wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: "Bill Page" ,William Sit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:56:51 -0400 Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -27267,7 +27267,7 @@ Received: by 10.64.76.15 with SMTP id y15mr8260267qba.1186960716253; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:18:36 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -27317,7 +27317,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:44:07 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKN6N-00071E-0Q + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKN6N-00071E-0Q for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:44:07 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -27325,7 +27325,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMO007DMPX2IMHB@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:43:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:43:51 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss Message-id: <46BF9B37.802420D6@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -27472,7 +27472,7 @@ Received: by 10.65.51.4 with SMTP id d4mr8406164qbk.1186964765364; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:26:05 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -27485,7 +27485,7 @@ Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46BF9B37.802420D6@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis -On 8/12/07, William Sit wrote: +On 8/12/07, William Sit wrote: > The question is not so much whether the rules are followed as to *when* a > type (domain and category, perhaps even package) becomes named. Note > that the examples given in Davenport are for domains, not categories. Are @@ -27559,7 +27559,7 @@ Cc: list On Sun, 12 Aug 2007, Bill Page wrote: -| On 8/12/07, William Sit wrote: +| On 8/12/07, William Sit wrote: | > The question is not so much whether the rules are followed as to *when* a | > type (domain and category, perhaps even package) becomes named. Note | > that the examples given in Davenport are for domains, not categories. Are @@ -27885,12 +27885,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKOvU-0005ai-GM + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKOvU-0005ai-GM for list; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:41:00 -0400 -Received: from [141.155.141.42] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.141.42] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 11749012; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:40:53 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) To: Gabriel Dos Reis,Bill Page Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:40:53 -0400 @@ -27979,7 +27979,7 @@ Received: from gauss.cs.tamu.edu (gauss.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.28]) Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:48:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:48:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) Cc: list @@ -28383,7 +28383,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:38:57 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKUVt-0003VS-4J + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKUVt-0003VS-4J for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:38:57 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -28391,7 +28391,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMP002PGBWBGJID@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:38:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:38:36 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) To: Gabriel Dos Reis Message-id: <46C00A7C.3B4A120A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -28479,7 +28479,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:15:33 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKV5I-0002ei-RL + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKV5I-0002ei-RL for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:15:33 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -28487,7 +28487,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMP007UDDL8IN6D@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:15:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:15:05 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) To: Bill Page Message-id: <46C01309.9A431617@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -28606,7 +28606,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -30003,7 +30003,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:18:54 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IKbh0-0007RT-5B + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IKbh0-0007RT-5B for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:18:54 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -30011,7 +30011,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMP003JOX6O8Y06@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:18:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:18:25 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" and bug To: Ralf Hemmecke Message-id: <46C07641.B8317CC1@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -30372,7 +30372,7 @@ Received: from gauss.cs.tamu.edu (gauss.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.146.28]) Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:42:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:42:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46C00A7C.3B4A120A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -30451,7 +30451,7 @@ Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:48:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:48:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, axiom-dev +To: William Sit, axiom-dev Subject: Re: "has" and "with" and bug <46C04255.5020208@hemmecke.de> <46C07641.B8317CC1@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -31164,7 +31164,7 @@ Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-20.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.20]) Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:11:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 483DC1AAFF; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:50:19 -0500 (CDT) -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -31175,7 +31175,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Aug 2007 11:50:19 -0500 Cc: list -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: | I think I understand the objection raised by Gaby. In matching Monad to | SetCategory with ..., Axiom is applying a forgetful functor that, given a @@ -32780,7 +32780,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:39:44 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IL2Ex-0007Gd-HS + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IL2Ex-0007Gd-HS for list; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:39:43 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -32788,7 +32788,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMS00FQW3XVB4W8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:39:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:39:32 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) To: Martin Rubey @@ -32891,7 +32891,7 @@ Received: by 10.64.184.16 with SMTP id h16mr12492460qbf.1187125807850; Received: by 10.64.251.15 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:10:07 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) @@ -33236,7 +33236,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1ILZLz-0004SF-Ry; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:01:11 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) @@ -33370,7 +33370,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:11:59 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1ILcKc-0005TP-LD + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1ILcKc-0005TP-LD for list; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:11:58 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -33378,7 +33378,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMV001Q52ZGC3Q3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:11:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:11:42 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) To: Martin Rubey @@ -33714,7 +33714,7 @@ Received: from [193.170.38.119] (hemmecke@woodpecker.risc.uni-linz.ac.at Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:52:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:52:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit <87zm0v1p31.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46C070D0.2040309@hemmecke.de> <46C186EA.3060808@hemmecke.de> <9qir7ibalt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46C204F4.46F1768C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <9qy7gc55fs.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46C422DE.4D513C6F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -33954,7 +33954,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by joan.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1ILeB1-0004Yy-32; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:10:11 +0200 -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit <46C045AC.9080800@hemmecke.de> <87zm0v1p31.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46C070D0.2040309@hemmecke.de> @@ -33971,7 +33971,7 @@ Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: .spad, .input, .as and autocoercion -William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -34298,7 +34298,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:03:17 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1ILf0N-0008Gj-7j + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1ILf0N-0008Gj-7j for list; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:03:16 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -34306,7 +34306,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.141.42]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JMV00MM0AW3L382@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:02:29 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Ralf Hemmecke Message-id: <46C44AE5.C40936F6@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 diff --git a/book/2007-09.txt b/book/2007-09.txt index f55e033..32ea5ae 100644 --- a/book/2007-09.txt +++ b/book/2007-09.txt @@ -3081,7 +3081,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:12:46 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1ISqwH-0001lu-Lw + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1ISqwH-0001lu-Lw for list; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:12:46 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Sep 2007 09:12:37 -0000 Received: from 85-124-72-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO @@ -3091,7 +3091,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-72-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:12:49 +0200 To: "Bill Page" , Alfredo Portes -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: Christian Aistleitner @@ -4657,7 +4657,7 @@ Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr5291538fgb.1189008684492; Received: by 10.86.57.11 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: tmgisi@gmx.at +To: Christian Aistleitner @@ -4730,7 +4730,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: Stephen Watt, tmgisi@gmx.at, +Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner, aldor-l , Bill Page, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Developer @@ -5026,7 +5026,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:41:46 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1ITDrt-0008TZ-MC + (envelope-from Christian Aistleitner) id 1ITDrt-0008TZ-MC for list; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:41:46 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Sep 2007 09:41:43 -0000 Received: from 85-124-72-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO @@ -5035,7 +5035,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-72-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO 7eDykwrEoLkua7 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:41:53 +0200 To: "Bill Page" -From: "Christian Aistleitner" +From: Christian Aistleitner @@ -18102,7 +18102,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l8917EHm009733; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:07:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:07:14 -0500 -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: bug #361 @@ -18184,7 +18184,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:40:13 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IUBmX-0007R0-9a + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IUBmX-0007R0-9a for list; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:40:13 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.149.64]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -18192,7 +18192,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.149.64]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JO200EPNVAOOU39@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:40:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:40:01 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: Tim Daly Message-id: <46E34EF1.AB5070D9@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -18268,7 +18268,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -18326,7 +18326,7 @@ The integral presented in issue #361 still fails in newer versions of Axiom. Regards, Bill Page. -On 9/8/07, William Sit wrote: +On 9/8/07, William Sit wrote: > Thanks. In that case, the report file should be closed (assuming the integral is > correct). > @@ -18361,7 +18361,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:22:20 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IUFFT-0007be-Iu + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IUFFT-0007be-Iu for list; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:22:19 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.149.64]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -18369,7 +18369,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([141.155.149.64]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JO3008H95KXE0K4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:22:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:22:11 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: re: bug #361 To: Bill Page Message-id: <46E38303.46E85EDC@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -18406,7 +18406,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: > Regards, > Bill Page. > -> On 9/8/07, William Sit wrote: +> On 9/8/07, William Sit wrote: > > Thanks. In that case, the report file should be closed (assuming the integral is > > correct). > > @@ -18786,14 +18786,14 @@ Received: by 10.86.70.8 with SMTP id s8mr3360536fga.1189391673613; Received: by 10.86.77.14 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:34:33 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: re: bug #361 <46E34EF1.AB5070D9@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <46E38303.46E85EDC@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: list -On 9/9/07, William Sit wrote: +On 9/9/07, William Sit wrote: > Bill: > > Thanks for your "eagle eyes". @@ -56576,12 +56576,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1Ic7ce-0004Dd-Sh + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1Ic7ce-0004Dd-Sh for list; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:50:49 -0400 -Received: from [162.84.164.42] (account ) +Received: from [162.84.164.42] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 12188770; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:50:36 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: Axiom breakage when installing OpenAxiom To: Alfredo Portes,Tim Daly diff --git a/book/2007-10.txt b/book/2007-10.txt index 33cf12b..dbf54b6 100644 --- a/book/2007-10.txt +++ b/book/2007-10.txt @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1IcGB6-0001cU-2w; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:58:56 +0200 -To: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, William Sit , +To: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, William Sit, Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Oct 2007 09:58:55 +0200 diff --git a/book/2007-11.txt b/book/2007-11.txt index 5090380..d8b61ca 100644 --- a/book/2007-11.txt +++ b/book/2007-11.txt @@ -119,7 +119,7 @@ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 01:49:22 -0400 From: "Bill Page" To: Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: William Stein , sage-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: William Stein, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Axiom-Mail Subject: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -269,7 +269,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Nov 2007 07:21:57 +0100 -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein , +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Portal are @@ -1052,7 +1052,7 @@ To: "Bill Page" From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Nov 2007 12:54:00 -0500 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - William Stein , + William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1102,7 +1102,7 @@ From: "Bill Page" To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis <87k5p1c0nb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - William Stein , + William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1181,7 +1181,7 @@ To: Bill Page <87k5p1c0nb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - William Stein , + William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1303,7 +1303,7 @@ Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:37:33 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein , +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Portal are @@ -1474,7 +1474,7 @@ Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:22:47 -0400 From: "Bill Page" To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein , +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are @@ -1778,7 +1778,7 @@ Received: from hebisch by hera.math.uni.wroc.pl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:27:22 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein , +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are @@ -2763,7 +2763,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:59:03 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:59:03 -0600 To: list -Cc: Willaim Stein , David Joyner , +Cc: Willaim Stein William Stein, David Joyner, Paul Zimmermann Subject: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -2900,7 +2900,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:06 -0500 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.191]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1ItrkK-0001N0-Uu + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1ItrkK-0001N0-Uu for list; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:32:06 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so4585333rvb for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:03 -0800 (PST) @@ -2915,10 +2915,10 @@ Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr102282wae.1195421523120; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.177.6 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:03 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - David Joyner + David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Nov 18, 2007 12:59 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -3103,11 +3103,11 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:49:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:49:16 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein + (William Stein) <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software William, @@ -3188,7 +3188,7 @@ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:51:08 -0500 From: root Tim Daly To: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:24:35 +0100) -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, list, wdj@usna.edu +Cc: William Stein, list, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -3224,7 +3224,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:53:22 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1Itt10-0004RA-48 + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1Itt10-0004RA-48 for list; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:53:22 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so1921445waf for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:53:21 -0800 (PST) @@ -3239,12 +3239,12 @@ Received: by 10.114.92.2 with SMTP id p2mr587176wab.1195426400763; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.177.6 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:53:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:53:20 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> <200711182349.lAINnGd23479@localhost.localdomain> Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Nov 18, 2007 3:49 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: @@ -3327,13 +3327,13 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:24:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:24:57 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein + (William Stein) <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> <200711182349.lAINnGd23479@localhost.localdomain> <85e81ba30711181453o1d13407al14ddcc15750448d9@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software William, @@ -3458,13 +3458,13 @@ Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:67.160.191.18] ([67.160.191.18]) a=oKe9reuU4v4A:10 a=MInBT2ynV54A:10 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:15:49 -0800 From: Ed Borasky -To: William Stein +To: William Stein Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> recognized. Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner William Stein wrote: > On Nov 18, 2007 12:59 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -3587,7 +3587,7 @@ Received: (qmail 6367 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2007 05:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([72.23.235.192]) (envelope-sender Tim Daly) by pop-4.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP - for ; 19 Nov 2007 05:33:23 -0000 + for William Stein; 19 Nov 2007 05:33:23 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAJ6ZeX23636; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:35:40 -0500 @@ -3598,8 +3598,8 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> <4740E3C5.7070703@cesmail.net> -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, wstein@gmail.com, - list, wdj@usna.edu +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, William Stein, + list, David Joyner I had an offline discussion with management at Texas Instruments about Derive. I'm concerned that this historically interesting @@ -3714,7 +3714,7 @@ To: Tim Daly (Tim Daly) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:24:35 +0100 recognized. -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, list, wdj@usna.edu +Cc: William Stein, list, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Dear Tim, @@ -5154,12 +5154,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IwLU9-0000aM-DE + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1IwLU9-0000aM-DE for list; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:41:37 -0500 -Received: from [162.83.134.208] (account ) +Received: from [162.83.134.208] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 12735186; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:41:19 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: Bug in parallel iteration To: Martin Rubey,axiom-devel , fricas-devel @@ -5304,12 +5304,12 @@ Received: from [72.218.17.237] ([72.218.17.237]) id HAE81Y00E56tl340000000; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:14:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:14:19 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp -To: William Stein +To: William Stein Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the >> various subprojects like Axiom? Open source is mostly volunteer work @@ -5354,7 +5354,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:58:07 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.180]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IwSIZ-0006c5-LQ + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1IwSIZ-0006c5-LQ for list; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:58:07 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so606401waf for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:58:05 -0800 (PST) @@ -5369,14 +5369,14 @@ Received: by 10.114.67.2 with SMTP id p2mr176085waa.1196038685108; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.177.6 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:58:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:58:05 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner On Nov 25, 2007 2:14 PM, Cliff Yapp wrote: > >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -5449,14 +5449,14 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:54:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:54:03 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein + (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, list >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -5559,7 +5559,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:49:52 -0500 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.176]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IwUym-00062n-AV + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1IwUym-00062n-AV for list; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:49:52 -0500 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y26so72552ele for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:51 -0800 (PST) @@ -5574,7 +5574,7 @@ Received: by 10.115.77.1 with SMTP id e1mr2315409wal.1196048991034; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.177.6 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:50 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -5582,7 +5582,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr On Nov 25, 2007 7:54 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: @@ -5721,7 +5721,7 @@ Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-32.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.32]) Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:06:56 -0600 (CST) Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D28B1AB10; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:18:53 -0600 (CST) -To: "William Stein" +To: "William Stein" William Stein Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -5732,9 +5732,9 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Nov 2007 23:18:53 -0600 Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner -"William Stein" writes: +"William Stein" William Stein writes: [...] @@ -5782,8 +5782,8 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:20:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:20:30 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein + (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -5791,7 +5791,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, list > >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -6053,11 +6053,11 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:45:08 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) - (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IwYeR-0002RG-9c + (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from William Stein) id 1IwYeR-0002RG-9c for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:45:07 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.183]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IwYeQ-0008En-Cp + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1IwYeQ-0008En-Cp for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:45:06 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so697285waf for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:45:02 -0800 (PST) @@ -6072,7 +6072,7 @@ Received: by 10.114.107.19 with SMTP id f19mr2493028wac.1196063102187; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.177.6 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:45:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:45:02 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -6082,7 +6082,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr On Nov 26, 2007 12:20 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6302,13 +6302,13 @@ Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:67.160.191.18] ([67.160.191.18]) a=MInBT2ynV54A:10 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:10:28 -0800 From: Ed Borasky -To: William Stein +To: William Stein Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> recognized. Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu + sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner William Stein wrote: > Well I'm trying to directly compete with heavily financed commercial @@ -6380,8 +6380,8 @@ To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> -Cc: William Stein , list, - Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu +Cc: William Stein, list, + Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner Ed Borasky wrote: > William Stein wrote: @@ -6439,8 +6439,8 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:33 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com, Ed Borasky - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein, Ed Borasky + (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -6450,7 +6450,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, list ==> Tim Daly writes @@ -6779,7 +6779,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:49 -0500 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.178]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IwkLw-0005Sg-QC + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1IwkLw-0005Sg-QC for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:49 -0500 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y26so225565ele for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:14:48 -0800 (PST) @@ -6794,7 +6794,7 @@ Received: by 10.115.89.1 with SMTP id r1mr312476wal.1196108087193; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.110.8 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:14:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:14:47 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -6807,7 +6807,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - list, wdj@usna.edu, Dennis Stein + list, David Joyner, Dennis Stein On Nov 26, 2007 10:01 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: > ==> Ed Borasky writes: @@ -7101,7 +7101,7 @@ Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:67.160.191.18] ([67.160.191.18]) a=MInBT2ynV54A:10 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:38:47 -0800 From: Ed Borasky -To: William Stein +To: William Stein Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -7114,7 +7114,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> recognized. -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, list, Dennis Stein William Stein wrote: @@ -7419,8 +7419,8 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:49 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein + (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -7433,7 +7433,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - list, wdj@usna.edu, dsteinsd@gmail.com + list, David Joyner, dsteinsd@gmail.com ...[snip]... > True, you can't. But honestly I really don't see the 4M's as the @@ -7654,7 +7654,7 @@ Received: from soliton.cs.tamu.edu (vpn-16.cs.tamu.edu [128.194.150.16]) Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:03:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by soliton.cs.tamu.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CCE9C1AB10; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:15:50 -0600 (CST) -To: "William Stein" +To: "William Stein" William Stein Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -7669,9 +7669,9 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Nov 2007 18:15:50 -0600 Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - list, wdj@usna.edu, Dennis Stein + list, David Joyner, Dennis Stein -"William Stein" writes: +"William Stein" William Stein writes: [...] @@ -7730,8 +7730,8 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> <200711262321.lAQNLn603680@localhost.localdomain> recognized. -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wstein@gmail.com, - list, wdj@usna.edu, dsteinsd@gmail.com +Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, + list, David Joyner, dsteinsd@gmail.com root wrote: > The NSF, INRIA, and others cover it. @@ -7820,8 +7820,8 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <474B97CB.8030503@cesmail.net> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Nov 2007 23:01:56 -0600 -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, wstein@gmail.com, - list, wdj@usna.edu, dsteinsd@gmail.com +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, William Stein, + list, David Joyner, dsteinsd@gmail.com Ed Borasky writes: @@ -7859,7 +7859,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:53:40 -0500 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1IwsS3-0006OT-EF + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1IwsS3-0006OT-EF for list; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:53:39 -0500 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id y26so319284ele for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:53:38 -0800 (PST) @@ -7874,7 +7874,7 @@ Received: by 10.114.66.2 with SMTP id o2mr793598waa.1196139217464; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.110.8 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:53:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:53:37 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -7887,7 +7887,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> <200711262321.lAQNLn603680@localhost.localdomain> <474B97CB.8030503@cesmail.net> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, list On Nov 26, 2007 8:06 PM, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: @@ -8169,8 +8169,8 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:47:44 +0100 recognized. -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, list, - wdj@usna.edu +Cc: William Stein, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, list, + David Joyner Dear Tim, diff --git a/book/2007-12.txt b/book/2007-12.txt index aac9958..3bc9d5e 100644 --- a/book/2007-12.txt +++ b/book/2007-12.txt @@ -1624,7 +1624,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id lB92vGCm000546; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:57:16 -0600 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:57:16 -0600 -To: "Willaim Stein" +To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein Cc: list Subject: 3D graphics in Sage @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id lB94wsH1005844; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:58:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:58:54 -0600 -To: "Willaim Stein" +To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein Cc: list Subject: Web pages @@ -2620,7 +2620,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id lB9IgRdp008791; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:42:27 -0600 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:42:27 -0600 -To: "Willaim Stein" , "David Joyner" , +To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein, "David Joyner" David Joyner, "Bill Page" Cc: list Subject: Axiom and Sage @@ -2659,7 +2659,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:01:43 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1J1RPL-0001uz-5f + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1J1RPL-0001uz-5f for list; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:01:43 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so3053533waf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:01:35 -0800 (PST) @@ -2674,9 +2674,9 @@ Received: by 10.115.90.1 with SMTP id s1mr1750698wal.1197226895235; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.110.8 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:01:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:01:35 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: David Joyner , list +Cc: David Joyner, list Subject: Re: Axiom and Sage On Dec 9, 2007 10:42 AM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2754,11 +2754,11 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:00:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:00:23 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wstein@gmail.com - (wstein@gmail.com) +To: William Stein + (William Stein) <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs , - wdj@usna.edu, list + David Joyner, list Subject: Re: Axiom and Sage >The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from @@ -2836,7 +2836,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:27:03 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1J1Sju-0003pR-32 + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1J1Sju-0003pR-32 for list; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:27:03 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so3093414waf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) @@ -2851,8 +2851,8 @@ Received: by 10.114.154.1 with SMTP id b1mr6216060wae.1197231944676; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.110.8 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:25:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:25:44 -0800 -From: "William Stein" -To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, wdj@usna.edu, +From: "William Stein" William Stein +To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, bill.page@newsynthesis.org, list, "Arthur Ralfs" <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> @@ -3056,7 +3056,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Axiom and Sage <200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain> recognized. -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, wdj@usna.edu, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: William Stein, David Joyner, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs , list root wrote: @@ -3104,7 +3104,7 @@ Subject: re: Axiom and Sage To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:53:12 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, wdj@usna.edu, list +Cc: William Stein, David Joyner, list Tim Daly wote: > >The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from @@ -3163,7 +3163,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) by axiom-developer.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id lBA6nVvW007243; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:49:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:49:31 -0600 -To: "Willaim Stein" , +To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein, "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, "Sage" Cc: list @@ -3218,7 +3218,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1J1d0f-0007ui-Gm; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:25:01 +0100 -To: "William Stein" +To: "William Stein" William Stein Subject: re: Axiom and Sage <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> <200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain> @@ -3226,9 +3226,9 @@ Subject: re: Axiom and Sage From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Dec 2007 08:25:00 +0100 Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs , - wdj@usna.edu, list + David Joyner, list -"William Stein" writes: +"William Stein" William Stein writes: > (2) jsmath looks identical to tex, since it is 100% implementation of the > tex layout engine. @@ -3263,7 +3263,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:32:55 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.178]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1J1d8J-000802-4g + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1J1d8J-000802-4g for list; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:32:55 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so3425909waf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:32:53 -0800 (PST) @@ -3278,7 +3278,7 @@ Received: by 10.115.22.1 with SMTP id z1mr1849951wai.1197271972213; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.110.8 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:32:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:32:52 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Axiom and Sage <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> @@ -3286,10 +3286,10 @@ Subject: re: Axiom and Sage <85e81ba30712091225j22744a92y414afef54bcc60de@mail.gmail.com> <9q63z7roz7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs , - wdj@usna.edu, list + David Joyner, list On 10 Dec 2007 08:25:00 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: -> "William Stein" writes: +> "William Stein" William Stein writes: > > > (2) jsmath looks identical to tex, since it is 100% implementation of the > > tex layout engine. @@ -3346,7 +3346,7 @@ Received: from aquin.mat.univie.ac.at ([131.130.16.163] by justin.univie.ac.at with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from Martin Rubey) id 1J1dHz-0000JC-Fy; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:42:55 +0100 -To: "William Stein" +To: "William Stein" William Stein Subject: re: Axiom and Sage <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> <200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain> @@ -3356,12 +3356,12 @@ Subject: re: Axiom and Sage From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Dec 2007 08:42:55 +0100 Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs , - wdj@usna.edu, list + David Joyner, list -"William Stein" writes: +"William Stein" William Stein writes: > On 10 Dec 2007 08:25:00 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: -> > "William Stein" writes: +> > "William Stein" William Stein writes: > > > > > (2) jsmath looks identical to tex, since it is 100% implementation of the > > > tex layout engine. @@ -3436,7 +3436,7 @@ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:51:25 +0100 From: "Ondrej Certik" To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: 3D graphics in Sage -Cc: Willaim Stein , list +Cc: Willaim Stein William Stein, list On Dec 9, 2007 3:57 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > William, @@ -3496,7 +3496,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:19:34 -0500 From: root Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com - (wstein@gmail.com) + (William Stein) <85e81ba30712101024r70b1f64fh1061171f305e365f@mail.gmail.com> <2ea1ace50712101107t58ad4bd6t9dd0594df306e4e6@mail.gmail.com> @@ -6142,11 +6142,11 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:38:15 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) - (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J3kNs-0007RV-Mh + (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from William Stein) id 1J3kNs-0007RV-Mh for list; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:41:45 -0500 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.185]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1J3NCk-0004zh-HR + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1J3NCk-0004zh-HR for list; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:56:42 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so4616917rvb.22 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:55:31 -0800 (PST) @@ -6161,7 +6161,7 @@ Received: by 10.141.210.21 with SMTP id m21mr2422377rvq.158.1197687301070; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.70.11 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:55:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:55:01 -0800 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com <88977d29-7f06-48a4-844b-485a07ae3a5f@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Cc: list, Bill Reinhardt @@ -12973,7 +12973,7 @@ Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory <87y7bsq1jn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> From: "Michael.Abshoff" -Cc: William Stein , list, +Cc: William Stein, list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -16158,7 +16158,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:38:45 -0500 From: root Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com - (wstein@gmail.com) + (William Stein) Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [sage-devel] "scholarly activity"? @@ -17345,7 +17345,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:15:41 -0500 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.190]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1J8PMa-0004mO-Mv + (envelope-from David Joyner) id 1J8PMa-0004mO-Mv for list; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:15:41 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g11so9058805rvb.22 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:15:38 -0800 (PST) @@ -17360,7 +17360,7 @@ Received: by 10.140.185.19 with SMTP id i19mr5087229rvf.296.1198887337955; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.48.5 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:15:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:15:37 -0500 -From: "David Joyner" +From: "David Joyner" David Joyner To: TimDaly Tim Daly, sage-devel , list Subject: Re: Rosetta translations @@ -17432,8 +17432,8 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:22:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:22:10 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wdjoyner@gmail.com - (wdjoyner@gmail.com) +To: David Joyner + (David Joyner) Subject: Re: Rosetta translations <8cf963450712281615i3056763bv698b2e37d2c7bdee@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com diff --git a/book/2008-01.txt b/book/2008-01.txt index 4af59b9..043921c 100644 --- a/book/2008-01.txt +++ b/book/2008-01.txt @@ -12923,12 +12923,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1JDpQ9-0001xH-5c + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1JDpQ9-0001xH-5c for list; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:05:45 -0500 -Received: from [141.155.156.102] (account ) +Received: from [141.155.156.102] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 13198865; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:05:43 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: mathml sums and products patch To: Martin Rubey, @@ -20110,7 +20110,7 @@ Received: (from daly@localhost) Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:30:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:30:43 -0600 To: list, "Sage" -Cc: Gilbert Baumslag +Cc: Gilbert Baumslag Gilbert Baumslag Subject: Two Computational Mathematics Job Openings City College of New York (my prior place of employment) and the @@ -29613,7 +29613,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors Yes, I like this proposal equally well. Comments? -"William Sit" writes: +"William Sit" William Sit writes: > Dear Martin: > @@ -29731,7 +29731,7 @@ The point is being able to filter out all issues that are fixed somewhere. Martin > -> "William Sit" writes: +> "William Sit" William Sit writes: > > > Dear Martin: > > @@ -29866,7 +29866,7 @@ On 26 Jan 2008 09:47:43 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > > Martin > > -> > "William Sit" writes: +> > "William Sit" William Sit writes: > > > > > Dear Martin: > > > @@ -30238,12 +30238,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1JJ10e-0008SK-SS + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1JJ10e-0008SK-SS for list; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:28:53 -0500 -Received: from [162.83.139.171] (account ) +Received: from [162.83.139.171] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 13354366; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:28:52 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors To: "Bill Page" ,"Martin Rubey" Martin Rubey @@ -30323,7 +30323,7 @@ On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:54:55 -0500 >> >> Martin >> > ->> > "William Sit" writes: +>> > "William Sit" William Sit writes: >> > >> > > Dear Martin: >> > > @@ -31301,7 +31301,7 @@ Received: by 10.86.89.4 with SMTP id m4mr4403125fgb.45.1201464848110; Received: by 10.86.62.13 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:08 -0500 From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors Cc: fricas-devel , @@ -31325,7 +31325,7 @@ further. Regards, Bill Page. -On 1/27/08, William Sit wrote: +On 1/27/08, William Sit wrote: > I consider "fixed xxx" and "fixed proposed" as two > statuses, not 16 (but that is up to your interpretation > what counts as a status). One reason for proposing this @@ -31397,7 +31397,7 @@ On 1/27/08, William Sit wrote: > >> > >> Martin > >> > -> >> > "William Sit" writes: +> >> > "William Sit" William Sit writes: > >> > > >> > > Dear Martin: > >> > > diff --git a/book/2008-03.txt b/book/2008-03.txt index 8f19f0f..636a1b4 100644 --- a/book/2008-03.txt +++ b/book/2008-03.txt @@ -3378,12 +3378,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1JWJEh-0006I1-F1 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1JWJEh-0006I1-F1 for list; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:34:24 -0500 -Received: from [162.83.139.171] (account ) +Received: from [162.83.139.171] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 13759767; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:34:00 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: Lisp To: "Bill Page" ,"Tim Daly" Tim Daly @@ -4113,7 +4113,7 @@ Received: by 10.86.3.4 with SMTP id 4mr2152082fgc.69.1204681487443; Received: by 10.86.62.13 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:44:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:44:47 -0500 From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: Lisp Cc: list diff --git a/book/2008-04.txt b/book/2008-04.txt index d93d411..3641792 100644 --- a/book/2008-04.txt +++ b/book/2008-04.txt @@ -14477,14 +14477,14 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:18:25 -0400 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.1]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1JhGu9-00016y-04 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1JhGu9-00016y-04 for list; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:18:25 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.83.139.171]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYQ00FM0ELKM7C2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:17:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:17:50 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit To: list Message-id: <47F45A6D.313FFBA6@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -14573,7 +14573,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Thu, 3 Apr 2008 01:26:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 01:26:36 -0500 From: root Tim Daly -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit on Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:17:50 -0400) Subject: Re: out of space Cc: list @@ -16458,7 +16458,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:07:38 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1JhdDF-000701-UX + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1JhdDF-000701-UX for list; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:07:38 -0400 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.83.139.171]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 @@ -16466,7 +16466,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([162.83.139.171]) 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYS0087Q8S20TC8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for list; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:07:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:07:19 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: out of space To: Franz Lehner Message-id: <47F5A977.C2FA92A8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -28716,7 +28716,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:01:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:01:02 -0400 From: root Tim Daly -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Cc: list Subject: out of space @@ -40650,12 +40650,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1JmbmX-0003Bz-QL + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1JmbmX-0003Bz-QL for list; 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Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:22:16 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so2766981waf.18 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) @@ -54344,7 +54344,7 @@ Received: by 10.114.106.1 with SMTP id e1mr5037140wac.95.1208722933430; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.39.19 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:22:13 -0700 -From: "William Stein" +From: "William Stein" William Stein To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com <4809B818.80405@hemmecke.de> @@ -54957,7 +54957,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([71.59.219.205]) a=LWwsCwofeexKRZ4zyBlysffEbuEA:4 a=MInBT2ynV54A:10 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:50:13 -0700 From: Ed Borasky -To: William Stein +To: William Stein Subject: re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project <85e81ba30804201322g2db35481r8089f1ad80af94aa@mail.gmail.com> recognized. @@ -86363,12 +86363,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54977 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100] helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1Jqtgf-0008S0-Qz + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1Jqtgf-0008S0-Qz for list; 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Colleagues, @@ -15802,7 +15802,7 @@ From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Sage on Scientific Linux? recognized. -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, list +Cc: William Stein, list root wrote: > Colleagues, @@ -15901,7 +15901,7 @@ From: root Tim Daly To: dawson@fnal.gov May 2008 02:15:28 -0500) <4822A890.5060203@fnal.gov> -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, mabshoff@googlemail.com, wstein@gmail.com, +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, mabshoff@googlemail.com, William Stein, scientific-linux-devel@fnal.gov, list Subject: Re: Sage on Scientific Linux? @@ -16208,7 +16208,7 @@ From: Troy Dawson To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly Message-id: <4822A890.5060203@fnal.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: "wstein@gmail.com" , +Cc: "William Stein" William Stein, "list" , "sage-devel@googlegroups.com" , "mabshoff@googlemail.com" , @@ -16289,7 +16289,7 @@ To: Tim Daly boundary="----=_Part_24727_15022416.1210240326222" <4822A890.5060203@fnal.gov> <200805080843.m488hlT05772@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: wstein@gmail.com, list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: William Stein, list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, dawson@fnal.gov, scientific-linux-devel@fnal.gov Subject: Re: Sage on Scientific Linux? @@ -21313,12 +21313,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55450 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:61173 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1K1a7q-00025g-4Q + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1K1a7q-00025g-4Q for list; Thu, 29 May 2008 00:52:30 -0400 -Received: from [162.83.137.6] (account ) +Received: from [162.83.137.6] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 14687300; Thu, 29 May 2008 00:52:28 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: cannot build axiom To: Tim Daly,Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:52:28 -0400 @@ -21488,7 +21488,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) Thu, 29 May 2008 04:03:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 04:03:20 -0400 From: root Tim Daly -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: cannot build axiom Cc: list diff --git a/book/2008-07.txt b/book/2008-07.txt index 9877e8d..1e160b6 100644 --- a/book/2008-07.txt +++ b/book/2008-07.txt @@ -185,7 +185,7 @@ Received: by 10.86.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr4781991fgb.54.1215473793719; Received: by 10.86.93.13 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:36:33 -0400 From: "Bill Page" -To: "David Joyner" +To: "David Joyner" David Joyner Cc: Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel diff --git a/book/2008-12.txt b/book/2008-12.txt index 874fdb6..e57480d 100644 --- a/book/2008-12.txt +++ b/book/2008-12.txt @@ -713,12 +713,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53541 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:55491 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1L7p2n-0004UQ-U2 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1L7p2n-0004UQ-U2 for list; 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@@ -629,7 +629,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([96.232.55.214]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net 04 Apr 2009 16:55:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <49D7D77C.79D861D4@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:56:12 -0400 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit MIME-version: 1.0 To: axiom-math@nongnu.org, list Cc: @@ -666,7 +666,7 @@ Sadly, William -- William Sit, Professor Emeritus -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ diff --git a/book/2009-07.txt b/book/2009-07.txt index 679ea9a..c40336e 100644 --- a/book/2009-07.txt +++ b/book/2009-07.txt @@ -2650,12 +2650,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40892 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:51819 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1MUYmv-0004HS-S7 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1MUYmv-0004HS-S7 for list; 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To: Michael Becker , diff --git a/book/2009-10.txt b/book/2009-10.txt index 4c13591..4b6980d 100644 --- a/book/2009-10.txt +++ b/book/2009-10.txt @@ -280,12 +280,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55872 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:48149 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1Mu9EI-0000fB-T9 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1Mu9EI-0000fB-T9 for list; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:21:15 -0400 -Received: from [96.232.48.110] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.48.110] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18320813; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:20:56 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: "empty list" results, inverse trig substitutions, "Floats" in "solve" To: james@nurealm.net,list @@ -521,10 +521,10 @@ Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:57:15 -0400 Subject: Re: "empty list" results, inverse trig substitutions, "Floats" in "solve" From: Bill Page -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Cc: list -On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM, William Sit wrote: +On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM, William Sit wrote: > > I can't do much with the tan problem, since we have: > @@ -588,12 +588,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53906 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:49586 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1MuUTN-0002HG-Bl + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1MuUTN-0002HG-Bl for list; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:02:13 -0400 -Received: from [96.232.52.232] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.52.232] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18323635; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:02:10 -0400 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: "empty list" results, inverse trig substitutions, "Floats" in "solve" To: james@nurealm.net,list @@ -797,7 +797,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dynamic-acs-72-23-235-203.zoominternet.net Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:23:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:19:50 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: William Stein , Tim Daly, +To: William Stein, Tim Daly, Axiom-Developer , sage-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Subject: Axiom trademark and ethics diff --git a/book/2009-11.txt b/book/2009-11.txt index 72f62be..071d4bd 100644 --- a/book/2009-11.txt +++ b/book/2009-11.txt @@ -982,12 +982,12 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51488 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:47349 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7fF3-0007DK-Gb + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7fF3-0007DK-Gb for list; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:09:53 -0500 -Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18643191; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:09:30 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Tim Daly Tim Daly,Bertfried Fauser , daly Tim Daly, @@ -1145,7 +1145,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dynamic-acs-72-23-235-203.zoominternet.net Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:29:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:24:48 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers Cc: Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser @@ -1363,11 +1363,11 @@ Received: by 10.220.122.100 with SMTP id k36mr9782683vcr.38.1257823288683; Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:21:28 -0600 Subject: Re: pointers From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser -On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, William Sit wrote: +On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, William Sit wrote: > Tim: > > Interesting. Is there a similar function that is more structural? say, can I @@ -1558,14 +1558,14 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38569 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:49545 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7tju-00073E-It + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7tju-00073E-It for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:42 -0500 -Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18648445; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly,William Sit +To: Tim Daly Tim Daly,William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 Cc: Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser @@ -1712,15 +1712,15 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54565 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:49594 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7tqX-0008Jm-0V + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7tqX-0008Jm-0V for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:45:33 -0500 -Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18648574; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:45:15 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Gabriel Dos Reis,William Sit - + William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:45:15 -0500 Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser @@ -1743,7 +1743,7 @@ William On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:21:28 -0600 Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: >On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, William Sit -> wrote: +>William Sit wrote: >> Tim: >> >> Interesting. Is there a similar function that is more @@ -1793,15 +1793,15 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34505 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:49650 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7u5V-0002P1-BR + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7u5V-0002P1-BR for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:01:01 -0500 -Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18648742; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -To: "William Sit" ,Tim Daly - Tim Daly,William Sit +To: "William Sit" William Sit,Tim Daly + Tim Daly,William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 Cc: Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser @@ -1886,7 +1886,7 @@ William ---- On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 - "William Sit" wrote: + "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I >would like to compare c.1 with some known constructor, >say Fraction. (In other words, given a domain of category @@ -2031,16 +2031,16 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55007 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:49882 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7uQt-00067N-V8 + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7uQt-00067N-V8 for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:23:08 -0500 -Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18649118; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:22:51 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -To: "William Sit" ,"William Sit" - ,Tim Daly Tim Daly,William - Sit +To: "William Sit" William Sit,"William Sit" + William Sit,Tim Daly Tim Daly,William + Sit William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:22:51 -0500 Cc: Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser @@ -2108,7 +2108,7 @@ domain SExpression. So is this a bug? William On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 - "William Sit" wrote: + "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >Tim: > >Sorry about the last message, please ignore. @@ -2198,7 +2198,7 @@ On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 >---- > >On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 -> "William Sit" wrote: +> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >>Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I >>would like to compare c.1 with some known constructor, >>say Fraction. (In other words, given a domain of category @@ -2356,7 +2356,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dynamic-acs-72-23-235-203.zoominternet.net Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:52:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:49:17 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers Cc: Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser @@ -2435,7 +2435,7 @@ William Sit wrote: > William > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 -> "William Sit" wrote: +> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >> Tim: >> >> Sorry about the last message, please ignore. @@ -2512,7 +2512,7 @@ William Sit wrote: >> ---- >> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 ->> "William Sit" wrote: +>> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >>> Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I would like >>> to compare c.1 with some known constructor, say Fraction. (In other >>> words, given a domain of category Field, I would like to know if it @@ -2729,7 +2729,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43800 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:35:30 -0500 Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.19]:65477) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7wV0-0002U1-BN + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7wV0-0002U1-BN for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:35:30 -0500 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([96.232.55.183]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; @@ -2737,7 +2737,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([96.232.55.183]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:35:11 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF9C0ED.406CDB93@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:37:17 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit MIME-version: 1.0 To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: pointers @@ -2831,7 +2831,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch wrote: -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -2862,7 +2862,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dynamic-acs-72-23-235-203.zoominternet.net Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:51:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:48:03 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers <4AF9C0ED.406CDB93@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Cc: list @@ -3008,7 +3008,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40750 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:10:45 -0500 Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.7]:47950) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N7x36-0007ux-Cn + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N7x36-0007ux-Cn for list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:10:44 -0500 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([96.232.55.183]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; @@ -3016,7 +3016,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([96.232.55.183]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net list; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:10:33 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4AF9C937.7C127764@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:12:39 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: pointers//Decontructing domains @@ -3150,7 +3150,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > > William > > > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 -> > "William Sit" wrote: +> > "William Sit" William Sit wrote: > >> Tim: > >> > >> Sorry about the last message, please ignore. @@ -3227,7 +3227,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > >> ---- > >> > >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 -> >> "William Sit" wrote: +> >> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: > >>> Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I would like > >>> to compare c.1 with some known constructor, say Fraction. (In other > >>> words, given a domain of category Field, I would like to know if it @@ -3357,7 +3357,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -3402,11 +3402,11 @@ Received: by 10.220.126.214 with SMTP id d22mr802840vcs.54.1257887975037; Tue, Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:19:34 -0600 Subject: Re: pointers From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: William Sit +To: William Sit Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , Bertfried Fauser -On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, William Sit wrote: +On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, William Sit wrote: > Gabriel: > > Thanks for the response. Your script shows how to get the parameters, not @@ -3496,10 +3496,10 @@ Received: by 10.220.122.229 with SMTP id m37mr852859vcr.15.1257888308228; Tue, Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:25:08 -0600 Subject: Re: pointers From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, list -On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:37 PM, William Sit wrote: +On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:37 PM, William Sit wrote: > Hi Waldek: > > Thanks. That is exactly what I want. Good solution. So the @@ -3541,7 +3541,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dynamic-acs-72-23-235-203.zoominternet.net Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:55:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:52:10 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers//Decontructing domains <4AF9A79D.1030803@axiom-developer.org> <4AF9C937.7C127764@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -3685,7 +3685,7 @@ William Sit wrote: >>> William >>> >>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 ->>> "William Sit" wrote: +>>> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >>> >>>> Tim: >>>> @@ -3763,7 +3763,7 @@ William Sit wrote: >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 ->>>> "William Sit" wrote: +>>>> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I would like >>>>> to compare c.1 with some known constructor, say Fraction. (In other @@ -3916,15 +3916,15 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33112 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) Received: from mail.sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([134.74.38.100]:52153 helo=cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1N87L7-0007C8-1l + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1N87L7-0007C8-1l for list; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:10:01 -0500 -Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account ) +Received: from [96.232.55.183] (account William Sit) by cgate.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.0.5) with HTTP id 18654883; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:09:38 -0500 -From: "William Sit" +From: "William Sit" William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu + William Sit Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:09:38 -0500 Cc: list @@ -3938,7 +3938,7 @@ William On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:25:08 -0600 Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: >On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:37 PM, William Sit -> wrote: +>William Sit wrote: >> Hi Waldek: >> >> Thanks. That is exactly what I want. Good solution. So @@ -5854,7 +5854,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40563 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:48:05 -0500 Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.7]:55123) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1NArRZ-0008EH-KP + (envelope-from William Sit) id 1NArRZ-0008EH-KP for list; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:48:04 -0500 Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([71.190.95.220]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; @@ -5862,7 +5862,7 @@ Received: from sci.ccny.cuny.edu ([71.190.95.220]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net list; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:47:28 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <4B045DDE.9300E12F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:49:34 -0500 -From: William Sit +From: William Sit MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Daly Tim Daly <200911181835.17480.ax87438@martinb.com> @@ -5917,7 +5917,7 @@ provisos transparently and automatically. William -- William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ @@ -6367,7 +6367,7 @@ Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dynamic-acs-72-23-235-203.zoominternet.net Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:23:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:24:05 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: wyscc@sci.ccny.cuny.edu +To: William Sit <200911181835.17480.ax87438@martinb.com> <4B04412D.1000805@axiom-developer.org> <4B045DDE.9300E12F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> diff --git a/book/2010-01.txt b/book/2010-01.txt index 8601ebe..f700e33 100644 --- a/book/2010-01.txt +++ b/book/2010-01.txt @@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55231 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:16:45 -0500 Received: from mail-yx0-f188.google.com ([209.85.210.188]:58709) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1NQZsT-000327-Ik + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1NQZsT-000327-Ik for list; 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Thu, <85e81ba30912312116nd6fb787nbc6f6b2771bf7c44@mail.gmail.com> <4B3D9182.5090301@axiom-developer.org> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:00:11 -0800 -From: William Stein +From: William Stein To: sage-devel Cc: "list >> Axiom-Developer" @@ -638,7 +638,7 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42639 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) for list; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:00:33 -0500 Received: from mail-yx0-f188.google.com ([209.85.210.188]:58425) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) - (envelope-from ) id 1NQbUv-0002A2-1p + (envelope-from William Stein) id 1NQbUv-0002A2-1p for list; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:00:33 -0500 Received: by yxe26 with SMTP id 26so12611891yxe.4 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:00:29 -0800 (PST) @@ -667,7 +667,7 @@ Received: by 10.90.2.27 with SMTP id 27mr5374648agb.17.1262329229387; Thu, 31 <85e81ba30912312116nd6fb787nbc6f6b2771bf7c44@mail.gmail.com> <4B3D9182.5090301@axiom-developer.org> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:00:27 -0800 -From: William Stein +From: William Stein To: sage-devel Cc: "list >> Axiom-Developer" diff --git a/book/2010-03.txt b/book/2010-03.txt index cd1726d..d48b458 100644 --- a/book/2010-03.txt +++ b/book/2010-03.txt @@ -962,21 +962,21 @@ Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47469 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NoXzm-0005eD-UP for list; 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Mon, 3 Mar 2014 00:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: u1204 Tim Daly -To: "William Sit" +To: "William Sit" William Sit Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 00:48:10 -0500 [generic] Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke diff --git a/changelog b/changelog index b63e8aa..3dba2fb 100644 --- a/changelog +++ b/changelog @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@ -20140512 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140511.02.tpd.patch -20140512 tpd book/*.txt email cleanup +20140514 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140514.01.tpd.patch +20140514 tpd book/*.txt email cleanup +20140511 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140511.02.tpd.patch +20140511 tpd book/*.txt email cleanup 20140511 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140511.01.tpd.patch 20140511 tpd book/*.txt email cleanup 20140509 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140509.03.tpd.patch diff --git a/src/axiom-website/patches.html b/src/axiom-website/patches.html index 3e6e7f0..3cf99ea 100644 --- a/src/axiom-website/patches.html +++ b/src/axiom-website/patches.html @@ -4338,6 +4338,8 @@ book/*.txt email cleanup book/*.txt email cleanup 20140511.02.tpd.patch book/*.txt email cleanup +20140514.01.tpd.patch +book/*.txt email cleanup