diff --git a/book/2003-09.txt b/book/2003-09.txt index 3b02700..5f6545b 100644 --- a/book/2003-09.txt +++ b/book/2003-09.txt @@ -2660,7 +2660,7 @@ yes, close both LODO bugs -- t Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:00:58 +0200 From: Juergen Weiss To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: sockets +Subject: re: sockets 1. Cmu cl has native socket support as well. @@ -9406,7 +9406,7 @@ build. Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:27:47 +0200 From: Juergen Weiss To: David Mentre -Subject: RE: Re: upper/lower case issue +Subject: re: upper/lower case issue Cc: Bill Page Yes. With that little change to the makefile and the elimination diff --git a/book/2003-10.txt b/book/2003-10.txt index 3b2f6b3..7327f88 100644 --- a/book/2003-10.txt +++ b/book/2003-10.txt @@ -2238,7 +2238,7 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:18:39 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Mike Dewar -Subject: RE: Re: tutorial +Subject: re: tutorial Mike, Tim; @@ -13429,7 +13429,7 @@ OK, sounds like an executable. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:27:57 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP +Subject: re: GCL 2.6.1 on Windows XP On Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:04 PM Camm Maguire Camm Maguire wrote: diff --git a/book/2003-11.txt b/book/2003-11.txt index 3fbe0d9..26ad106 100644 --- a/book/2003-11.txt +++ b/book/2003-11.txt @@ -6911,7 +6911,7 @@ news://news.gmane.org:119/gmane.comp.mathematics.axiom.general Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:05:04 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Alexei Otboyev -Subject: RE: Re: axiom under cygwin +Subject: re: axiom under cygwin Alexei, diff --git a/book/2004-01.txt b/book/2004-01.txt index f4852bc..e9a5740 100644 --- a/book/2004-01.txt +++ b/book/2004-01.txt @@ -1700,7 +1700,7 @@ extending GCL to process source files in this manner. Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:10 +0100 From: Decian Tudor To: Camm Maguire, David Mentre -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom help needed +Subject: re: Axiom help needed Hi all, @@ -2547,7 +2547,7 @@ I'll look at your reference later this morning. Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:53:05 -0500 From: Bill Page To: David Mentre -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom help needed +Subject: re: Axiom help needed Tim and David; diff --git a/book/2004-04.txt b/book/2004-04.txt index 908e6bc..3e10f02 100644 --- a/book/2004-04.txt +++ b/book/2004-04.txt @@ -5114,7 +5114,7 @@ As for long computational tasks: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:48:28 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] gcl sockets +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] gcl sockets Cc: Bertfried Fauser Tim, diff --git a/book/2004-07.txt b/book/2004-07.txt index c2ee073..d801c2f 100644 --- a/book/2004-07.txt +++ b/book/2004-07.txt @@ -10277,7 +10277,7 @@ arranged at Eskimo.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:22:05 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Ed Pegg Jr -Subject: RE: Re: your mail +Subject: re: your mail Cc: Sam Dooley, Manuel Bronstein, Wen-Shin Lee, Dirk Eddelbuettel, Emil Volcheck On Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:01 PM Ed Pegg Jr wrote: diff --git a/book/2004-09.txt b/book/2004-09.txt index d29827a..446f741 100644 --- a/book/2004-09.txt +++ b/book/2004-09.txt @@ -116,8 +116,8 @@ make: *** [all] Error 3 \start Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:39:57 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: how to simplify exponents +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: how to simplify exponents Martin, @@ -426,7 +426,7 @@ solutions. \start Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:19:23 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: mathaction Cc: David Mentre @@ -584,7 +584,7 @@ http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ ?? \start Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:22:53 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre @@ -879,7 +879,7 @@ Congrats on the really impressive work you guys are doing! \start Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:31:26 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre @@ -1123,7 +1123,7 @@ Did I get something backwards, is there another solution? \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:52:42 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions @@ -1156,7 +1156,7 @@ I guess that is not your point. Can you be more precise here? \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:14:49 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions Ralf HEMMECKE writes: @@ -1207,7 +1207,7 @@ Thanks for replying that fast, \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:38:06 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions @@ -1265,7 +1265,7 @@ AXIOM, but rather what FRAC POLY INT is mathematically. \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:56:55 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions @@ -1328,7 +1328,7 @@ wondering if standard lisp, as a 'subset', will run on gcl much as the \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:12:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) -From: Arthur Norman +From: Arthur Norman To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre, Bill Page @@ -1412,7 +1412,7 @@ task, I'm willing to do my part. \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:03:24 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: conditionally defined functions Hi Ralf, @@ -1502,12 +1502,12 @@ Note that \start Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:33:52 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Norman'" +To: "'Arthur Norman'" Arthur Norman Subject: re: mathaction Cc: Camm Maguire, David Mentre On Friday, September 17, 2004 11:12 AM Arthur Norman -acn1@cam.ac.uk +Arthur Norman > ... > Note that some in the new Axiom world have declared use of > CCL to be one of the worst mistakes anybody ever made wrt @@ -2124,13 +2124,13 @@ Take care, \start Date: 22 Sep 2004 10:31:09 -0400 From: Camm Maguire -To: Arthur Norman +To: Arthur Norman Subject: re: mathaction Cc: David Mentre, Bill Page Greetings! -Arthur Norman writes: +Arthur Norman writes: > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Camm Maguire wrote: > > Greetings, all! The site looks great! I just have one request -- it @@ -3366,7 +3366,7 @@ You are flattering me... Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:26:45 -0400 From: Bill Page To: -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) On Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:59 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -3416,7 +3416,7 @@ permits we could then "weed" and reorganize it for longer term Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:13:54 +0000 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: Dear Bill, @@ -3480,8 +3480,8 @@ four times because the specific discussion page is changed. \start Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:51:37 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) On Friday, September 24, 2004 6:14 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -3638,7 +3638,7 @@ now for the time being. Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:30:49 +0000 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) +Subject: re: Mixing up variables: (was Re: conditionallydefined functions) Bill Page writes: @@ -6775,7 +6775,7 @@ the pamphlet style documentation, I suspect. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:24:32 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -6855,7 +6855,7 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:51:23 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -6903,7 +6903,7 @@ Yes. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:27:02 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -6966,7 +6966,7 @@ my mind of how to document in a structured way by using the ++ comments. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:38:24 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7043,7 +7043,7 @@ readable. Except example.spad.pamphlet, all files are read only. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:06:39 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7274,7 +7274,7 @@ True. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:31:36 +0000 From: Martin Rubey -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7362,7 +7362,7 @@ way computational science is done. Thanks, Bill. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:00:49 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7442,7 +7442,7 @@ papers that explain their algorithms. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:56:43 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: chicha@essi.fr, jcai3@uwo.ca @@ -7523,7 +7523,7 @@ would be desirable. Or can this be done already with AXIOM? \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:26:55 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai @@ -7683,7 +7683,7 @@ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:18:06 -0700 From: Bob McElrath To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction -Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai , Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Yannis Chicha , Jinlong Cai , Ralf Hemmecke Martin Rubey [Martin Rubey] wrote: > Ralf HEMMECKE writes: @@ -8051,7 +8051,7 @@ have thought of the problem (or proposal) if you didn't raise it. So, thanks. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:46:06 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 10:24:32AM +0200, Ralf HEMMECKE wrote: @@ -8077,7 +8077,7 @@ it. The code is GPL'ed and I fully intend it to be available to all. \start Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:29:00 +0200 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: literate programming pamphlet files for MathAction diff --git a/book/2004-11.txt b/book/2004-11.txt index 7457770..08b031a 100644 --- a/book/2004-11.txt +++ b/book/2004-11.txt @@ -5787,7 +5787,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:14:26 -0500 From: Bill Page To: 'Camm Maguire' -Subject: RE: Re: sman +Subject: re: sman On Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:04 PM Camm Maguire wrote: diff --git a/book/2004-12.txt b/book/2004-12.txt index b92e1d2..17d6ec0 100644 --- a/book/2004-12.txt +++ b/book/2004-12.txt @@ -10089,7 +10089,7 @@ ago but I don't remember the exact issue. The build ought to work. Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:53:14 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Joris van der Hoeven -Subject: RE: Re: [Texmacs-dev] \left( and \right) conversions from LaTeX +Subject: re: [Texmacs-dev] \left( and \right) conversions from LaTeX Cc: Dan Martins, Bill Page This is the native windows version of Axiom where I see diff --git a/book/2005-01.txt b/book/2005-01.txt index 1839c26..91c213b 100644 --- a/book/2005-01.txt +++ b/book/2005-01.txt @@ -5328,7 +5328,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.83]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050107152704.BEXW1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:27:04 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:27:21 -0500 @@ -9919,7 +9919,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.138.138]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109024528.MPGH1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:45:28 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:45:46 -0500 @@ -11117,7 +11117,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.134]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109201428.RJOZ1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:14:28 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" , +To: Stephen Wilson, "'root'" Tim Daly Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. @@ -11202,7 +11202,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.168]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109210533.JQVM1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:05:33 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:05:53 -0500 @@ -11446,7 +11446,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.168]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050109212354.LIVA2034.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:23:54 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" , +To: Vladimir Bondarenko, "'root'" Tim Daly Subject: RE: Re[2]: Issue tracker: Language selection Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:24:14 -0500 @@ -11881,7 +11881,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.182]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:23:00 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, - "'Stephen Wilson'" + Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:23:18 -0500 @@ -13001,7 +13001,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.18]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050110223706.DWZO1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:37:06 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" , +To: Stephen Wilson, "'root'" Tim Daly Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicitdependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. @@ -13298,7 +13298,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([209.226.189.76]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050111003144.XJQP1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:31:44 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:32:02 -0500 @@ -18490,7 +18490,7 @@ Received: by CORPORATEEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:01:58 -0500 From: Bill Page To: "'William Sit'" William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldor +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldor returntypes Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:01:51 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -25150,7 +25150,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.177]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:16 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldorreturntypes Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:33 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -25257,7 +25257,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.85.177]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:00:09 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and +Subject: re: [Aldor-l] RE: Axiom domains and Aldorreturntypes Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:00:16 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -25651,7 +25651,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.191]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:09:44 -0500 From: Bill Page To: "'Bob McElrath'" -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:10:02 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -27162,8 +27162,8 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.148]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050114072714.VIRH19622.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:27:14 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:27:31 -0500 charset="US-ASCII" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -29442,8 +29442,8 @@ Received: from Asus ([209.226.189.67]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050114190810.PAAO1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:08:10 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:08:28 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -32523,8 +32523,8 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.178]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050115035844.UQPH1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:58:44 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:59:03 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -37237,7 +37237,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([64.228.8.73]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:14:04 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit, - "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" + Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: AXIOM for Windows: )copyright and )summary issue Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:14:23 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -38927,7 +38927,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.188]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050117151050.CPKL1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:10:50 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" +To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: Re[2]: AXIOM for Windows: )copyright and )summary issue Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:11:12 -0500 @@ -39047,7 +39047,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.188]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050117154344.DBNU1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:43:44 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: algebra Makefiles with explicit dependencies, bootstrap, fixed-points etc. Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:43:50 -0500 @@ -42184,7 +42184,7 @@ Received: by CORPORATEEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:43:38 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:43:37 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -42410,7 +42410,7 @@ Received: by CORPORATEEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:03:35 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: hyperdoc +Subject: re: hyperdoc Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:03:34 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: list, Tim Daly @@ -52794,7 +52794,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([64.228.8.82]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050119164846.QEAU1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:48:46 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" +To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: Literature on AXIOM's applications Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:49:06 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -56201,7 +56201,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.138.68]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050120170103.RCFG1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:01:03 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly, +To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly, Jason White Subject: RE: Graphics and Axiom (was Re: touchgraph, hypertex, hypergraph) @@ -59695,7 +59695,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.209.110.69]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050121152033.XQVV2026.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:20:33 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:20:55 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -64539,7 +64539,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([216.208.193.112]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050123194210.HHDV1919.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:42:10 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:42:34 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -75850,7 +75850,7 @@ Received: from Asus ([209.226.189.188]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net id <20050130191933.EJXX1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Asus>; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:19:33 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" +To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: RE: MathAction: Typos at the entry page Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:19:32 -0500 charset="us-ascii" diff --git a/book/2005-02.txt b/book/2005-02.txt index ae01bc6..e12bed4 100644 --- a/book/2005-02.txt +++ b/book/2005-02.txt @@ -15759,7 +15759,7 @@ BPadb0Eo+ZWjVCGJWAmX9VQ= \start Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:27:42 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire Subject: Latest MacOS X issues...] diff --git a/book/2005-03.txt b/book/2005-03.txt index cb4789f..deb8e53 100644 --- a/book/2005-03.txt +++ b/book/2005-03.txt @@ -754,7 +754,7 @@ Subject: Re: run-process Greetings! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -930,7 +930,7 @@ important enough for another point release on 2.6. \start Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:34:30 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Pablo De Napoli Subject: Re: problems compiling axiom from CVS @@ -968,7 +968,7 @@ Tim Daly \start Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:30:04 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: run-process @@ -1057,7 +1057,7 @@ CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -z9 -q -d:ext:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gcl \ Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -1418,7 +1418,7 @@ final link is via ld. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, Bill, > @@ -6713,7 +6713,7 @@ and we should probably remove these extra \. \start Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:11:29 -0500 From: Balbir Thomas -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: build failure on Debian Woody Solved -- Stray symbols in src/algebra/Makefile ! ?? Hi, @@ -7943,7 +7943,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom-developer domain name -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Well, considering that it appears to be useful I've registered the | axiom-developer.org domain name for the next 9 years. Looks like @@ -8490,7 +8490,7 @@ BTW, did you get my abstract? Is this still a go? Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -8532,7 +8532,7 @@ On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 08:53:30PM -0500, Camm Maguire wrote: > > Take care, > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > > Camm, > > @@ -9170,7 +9170,7 @@ Take care, > > > > Take care, > > -> > root Tim Daly writes: +> > Tim Daly writes: > > > > > Camm, > > > diff --git a/book/2005-04.txt b/book/2005-04.txt index de04474..051f3e4 100644 --- a/book/2005-04.txt +++ b/book/2005-04.txt @@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ atan(tan(3)) \start Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:10:44 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: April 2005 release @@ -560,7 +560,7 @@ responsible for the change. \start Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:46:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Sit Subject: Re: hyperdoc source links are often wrong @@ -573,7 +573,7 @@ Now the compiler is invoked on the individual domains in the file. \start Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:02:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Henry Lenzi Subject: Re: Axiom does not configure/build on OpenBSD Cc: Charles Miller @@ -6630,7 +6630,7 @@ issues are? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:37:57 +1000 From: Mike Thomas To: Camm Maguire, Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows Hi Camm/Bill @@ -7010,7 +7010,7 @@ performance and appearance. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:52:22 +1000 From: Mike Thomas To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Simple web server code for GCLfor Windows Hi Camm. diff --git a/book/2005-05.txt b/book/2005-05.txt index dec382e..cd228c2 100644 --- a/book/2005-05.txt +++ b/book/2005-05.txt @@ -4697,7 +4697,7 @@ Cc: Mike Thomas Greetings! -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Serious question about GCL, > @@ -4889,7 +4889,7 @@ Some correction about this incomprehensible e-mail. > > Greetings! > -> Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > Serious question about GCL, @@ -5230,7 +5230,7 @@ Cc: Mike Thomas Greetings! -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hi, > @@ -5240,7 +5240,7 @@ Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > > Greetings! > > -> > Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > > > Serious question about GCL, > @@ -5533,7 +5533,7 @@ Hi, > > Greetings! > -> Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > Hi, > > @@ -5543,7 +5543,7 @@ Hi, > > > > > > Greetings! > > > -> > > Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > > Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > > > > > Serious question about GCL, > > @@ -6513,7 +6513,7 @@ and Quentin Carpent at http://la.riverotte.free.fr/axiom. Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:01:26 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Christophe Conil -Subject: RE: Re: about axiom documentation +Subject: re: about axiom documentation Cc: Francois Maltey, Frederic Lehobey, Quentin Carpent, Eric Bachard Christophe, @@ -7047,7 +7047,7 @@ Overwrite existing stylesheet with the new stylesheet file:: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:05:58 -0500 From: MathAction (Bill Page) To: MathAction -Subject: RE: Re: about axiom documentation +Subject: re: about axiom documentation Christophe, diff --git a/book/2005-06.txt b/book/2005-06.txt index a3070c4..3056937 100644 --- a/book/2005-06.txt +++ b/book/2005-06.txt @@ -18171,7 +18171,7 @@ other XML concepts, in LaTeX ? Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:55:58 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: RE: Re: converting sexps to XML +Subject: re: converting sexps to XML On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:49 AM Michel Lavaud wrote: @@ -20866,7 +20866,7 @@ asq -sh Integer Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:15:18 +0200 From: Michel Lavaud To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: converting sexps to XML +Subject: re: converting sexps to XML Hello Bill, diff --git a/book/2005-07.txt b/book/2005-07.txt index 4228e72..062f55c 100644 --- a/book/2005-07.txt +++ b/book/2005-07.txt @@ -7148,7 +7148,7 @@ But I haven't found GCL's source code Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:04:09 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Xin Li -Subject: RE: Re: about Windows version of AXIOM +Subject: re: about Windows version of AXIOM On Friday, July 22, 2005 2:36 PM Xin Li Xin Li wrote: diff --git a/book/2005-08.txt b/book/2005-08.txt index aeecceb..2f77788 100644 --- a/book/2005-08.txt +++ b/book/2005-08.txt @@ -8332,7 +8332,7 @@ SimplicialComplex(): Exports == Implementation where Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:54:02 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Peter, @@ -9912,7 +9912,7 @@ unifying domains with a common set of API. Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:19:25 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 03:54 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > Peter, @@ -11868,7 +11868,7 @@ integrate(exp(x)/x^2,x) --> Ei(x)-exp(x)/x Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:51:26 +0100 From: Peter Broadbery To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:48 -0400, Page, Bill wrote: > Peter, @@ -12120,7 +12120,7 @@ matcher does not know exp(x)/x^2 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:52:44 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Executive Summary: @@ -12350,7 +12350,7 @@ http://algocompsynth.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:16:53 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Peter, @@ -12546,7 +12546,7 @@ Subject: [AldorForAxiom] Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:09 +0200 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Peter Broadbery -Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches +Subject: re: aldor patches Le mercredi 24 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 19:19 +0100, Peter Broadbery a =E9crit : @@ -13487,7 +13487,7 @@ It appears that every single FC release is going to break lisp as new Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4. > I'm trying to debug it now but I thought I'd mention it in case @@ -16318,7 +16318,7 @@ root writes: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:44:59 +0200 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on Page, Bill writes: > On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16355,7 +16355,7 @@ with a price of 500$? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:31:01 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -16414,7 +16414,7 @@ their time to do this kind of work. Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:06:41 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:45 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16451,7 +16451,7 @@ How is it going? Anything else I can help with? :-) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:36:48 +0200 From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on +Subject: re: )set functions compile on Page, Bill writes: > On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:45 AM Martin Rubey wrote: diff --git a/book/2005-10.txt b/book/2005-10.txt index afc2fff..4796b42 100644 --- a/book/2005-10.txt +++ b/book/2005-10.txt @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ produce an infinite loop. (In fact I think this is OK, I only did not have the time to check) \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Antoine Hersen'" Antoine Hersen Subject: RE: Master Thesis Subject Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:52:12 -0400 @@ -608,7 +608,7 @@ Yours, Michael Brickenstein \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:32:30 -0400 @@ -856,9 +856,9 @@ See also the Wikipedia article on "Strongly Typed" : . \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard'?=" Jens Axel Segaard -Subject: RE: Re: Openmath, Singular +Subject: re: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:02:47 -0400 On October 3, 2005 3:27 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote: @@ -920,7 +920,7 @@ programmers, 1 denotes the unit with respect to multiplication in some domain. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:38:08 -0400 @@ -981,7 +981,7 @@ typing of mathematical objects. I don't know of any other CAS which does this so consistently. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:31:53 -0400 @@ -1127,7 +1127,7 @@ Bill Page. > web site, or put a pointer there to wherever you have things stored. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Michael Brickenstein'" Michael Brickenstein Subject: RE: Openmath, Singular Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:23:30 -0400 @@ -1226,7 +1226,7 @@ after apparently building a large part of the system? Who would you recommend I contact for help with this? \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Tim Daly'" Tim Daly Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:19:06 -0400 Subject: Axiom Lisp API for OpenMath @@ -1366,7 +1366,7 @@ with and without bounds: \start Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:29:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page Subject: ccl/src/cslbase/openmath.c @@ -4438,7 +4438,7 @@ Axiom a particular paper is relevant to. \start Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:19:05 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:24 AM C Y wrote: @@ -4644,7 +4644,7 @@ information, but not autogenerate it. Sorry for any confusion. \start Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:18:04 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:44 PM C Y wrote: @@ -4826,7 +4826,7 @@ every time a new bibtex entry is put into the repository. \start Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:59:32 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Web based bibtex On Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:46 PM C Y @@ -5977,7 +5977,7 @@ available in SOURCE form, not pdf, not dvi, etc. Only source allows you the ability to use the information in any way. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:20:35 -0400 Subject: PDF/A and pamphlet support on MathAction @@ -6579,7 +6579,7 @@ Axiom. Is the above a known issue? \start Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:44:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora @@ -6593,7 +6593,7 @@ command. \start Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:52:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora @@ -6609,8 +6609,8 @@ so you can try before trying the build and see if that fixes the problem. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:15:42 -0400 @@ -6660,7 +6660,7 @@ If you provide sufficient information I am sure that it will be possible to discouver what is going wrong. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey, Tim Daly Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:28:29 -0400 @@ -6714,7 +6714,7 @@ in TeXmacs? In what way is the current TeXmacs output not nicely formatted? \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:52:19 -0400 @@ -7170,7 +7170,7 @@ Thank you for any help. Renaud \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Subject: RE: Important! Cannot Install on Fedora Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:08:33 -0400 @@ -7571,7 +7571,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9CExW9I031668; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:59:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Yoriaki FUJIMORI'" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:59:16 -0400 charset="US-ASCII" @@ -8566,7 +8566,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9CMtDS23669; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:55:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:55:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Renaud.Rioboo@lip6.fr Subject: Re: Cylindrical Algebraic Decompostion for Axiom Cc: list @@ -9473,7 +9473,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:48:34 -0400 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1EQ5Hk-0005V2-00; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:46:24 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom Lisp API for OpenMath From: Camm Maguire Date: 13 Oct 2005 11:46:24 -0400 @@ -9555,7 +9555,7 @@ setup_type const om_setup[] = { Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Tim, > @@ -9733,7 +9733,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9E4kGP24745; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:46:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:46:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Brian Kennedy Cc: list Subject: Building on Axiom... funding Axiom... @@ -10006,7 +10006,7 @@ Subject: Re: Building on Axiom... funding Axiom... To: Tim Daly, Brian Kennedy Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > > > > More specifically, is there interest in adding the following to > > Axiom: @@ -11742,8 +11742,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHD55C030969; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:13:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:13:03 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -11806,13 +11806,13 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9FHuBO8015903; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Eitan Gurari'" Eitan Gurari, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey + Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:56:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, Kai Kaminski, Davide P.Cervone, - 'Bill Page' , Bob McElrath + Bill Page , Bob McElrath Subject: RE: tex4ht and jsmath On October 15, 2005 11:14 AM Eitan Gurari wrote: @@ -12256,9 +12256,9 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9GKwPuk006391; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:58:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey + Martin Rubey Subject: RE: proxy error athttp://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:58:20 -0400 @@ -12388,7 +12388,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:51:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:48:56 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: proxy error athttp://wiki.axiom-developer.org/FrontPage <006601c5d294$5d5f0bf0$6900a8c0@asus> @@ -12433,8 +12433,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HDw6A6027151; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:58:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:57:59 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' @@ -12504,7 +12504,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:46:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:44:06 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page <001501c5d322$ced4f9a0$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: RE: MathAction again unaccessible... @@ -12558,7 +12558,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:46:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:43:43 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page <001501c5d322$ced4f9a0$6900a8c0@asus> Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: RE: MathAction again unaccessible... @@ -13145,8 +13145,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9HGlbW7026266; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:47:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:47:30 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' @@ -14009,7 +14009,7 @@ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp To: Camm Maguire, list -Cc: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke, Peter Broadbery --- Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -14077,7 +14077,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IFdLYJ011501; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:39:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:39:11 -0400 @@ -14148,8 +14148,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9IFjD7M022705; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:45:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -14251,14 +14251,14 @@ Received: (from gdr@localhost) by uniton.integrable-solutions.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j9IIPTCB019941; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:25:29 +0200 Gabriel Dos Reis using -f -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 18 Oct 2005 20:25:29 +0200 Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -15367,7 +15367,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:25:24 -0400 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ES3dq-0004up-00; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:25:22 -0400 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Oct 2005 22:25:22 -0400 @@ -15375,7 +15375,7 @@ Cc: list, Peter Broadbery Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, what do you mean by "GCL lisp interface to flex and > bison"? These are external programs that produce "C" code. @@ -15936,7 +15936,7 @@ Received: from seam101.local ([131.130.96.153]) Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:04:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:02:26 +0200 -To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp <20051015024201.52793.qmail@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17232.51049.47689.590835@seam101.local> @@ -16382,7 +16382,7 @@ Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXUw0qapUBSlMMpSHKW5oOWV1jULQACfQiA From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey, - "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner + Christian Aistleitner Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:02 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16670,7 +16670,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9JMVg603043; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:31:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:31:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: debugging information @@ -16824,7 +16824,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9K0OKE03080; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:24:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:24:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: debugging information @@ -16961,7 +16961,7 @@ Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > > Gee, that reminds me of our plans long ago to publish > > hardcopies of these volumes on www.lulu.com . @@ -17106,7 +17106,7 @@ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:54:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: debugging information Thread-Index: AcXVHfXG7FOS867XRZygtqAX1fJAWwAAF8bw From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly Cc: list On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:28 PM C Y wrote: @@ -18880,7 +18880,7 @@ Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp <4354C2B6.5050402@hemmecke.de> <17238.2978.228447.563424@seam101.local> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:19:35 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Peter Broadbery @@ -18935,7 +18935,7 @@ Received: from 85-124-74-203.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at (EHLO mail.gmx.at) To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:56:29 +0200 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: list Hello, @@ -19047,7 +19047,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KF0Mn03721; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:00:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:00:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: online algebra files @@ -19114,7 +19114,7 @@ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:17:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: Ocaml, Coq, and ACL2 Thread-Index: AcXUtDtTDeTwTpKgSIKutHZZ6bSpCwA0ll/w From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: Camm Maguire, list Subject: Ocaml, Coq, and ACL2 @@ -19210,7 +19210,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:30:29 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctions2 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Dear Greg, @@ -19447,7 +19447,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctions2 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:10:55 +0200 charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Hi, @@ -19547,7 +19547,7 @@ Received: (from mcelrath@localhost) Bob McElrath using -f Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:24:56 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: online algebra files Bill Page, list protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EXKGNeO8l0xGFBjy" @@ -20286,7 +20286,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KHjvC03821; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:45:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= on Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:10:55 +0200) @@ -20685,7 +20685,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KKPAB03891; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:25:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:25:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: re: tex4ht and jsmath @@ -20779,7 +20779,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9KKfBp03908; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:41:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Cc: Eitan Gurari, list @@ -21129,7 +21129,7 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:42:40 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXUig6d2rzgoHvXRcKQh/BA0wAxIQAEWkgwAAbo2SA= -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: FILETIME=[69FB7B70:01C5D625] @@ -21204,7 +21204,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LFuqLv018286; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:57:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:56:36 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -21256,7 +21256,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9LFtTe04906; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:55:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:55:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Cc: Camm Maguire, list @@ -21331,7 +21331,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9LG01E04910; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:00:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:00:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:18:42 +0200) Subject: Re: FramedNonAssociativeAlgebraFunctions2 @@ -21404,7 +21404,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9LHb8wp016975; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:37:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:36:52 -0400 @@ -21464,7 +21464,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9LHuDO04964; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:56:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:56:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp @@ -21507,8 +21507,8 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:07:53 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXWZhx2bKxctY/XRcGYzr22dEMgFgAAImHw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page, FILETIME=[5B64D760:01C5D66A] Cc: @@ -21593,7 +21593,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9M1PGgI025620; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:25:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:24:59 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -21640,7 +21640,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9M1rf1u022497; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:54:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Weiss, Juergen'" Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:53:23 -0400 @@ -21743,8 +21743,8 @@ Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:31:35 +0200 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Lisp Thread-Index: AcXWq39aA4FUoSsIT+KNqE9KxX27MAAVbwOw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page FILETIME=[ED38A280:01C5D704] Cc: list @@ -21996,7 +21996,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9N0WL405523; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:32:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:32:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp from C Y on Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Aldor and Lisp @@ -22133,8 +22133,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9N2lW12004752; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:47:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:47:11 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -22892,7 +22892,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9NNRs713308; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:27:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:27:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: literate programming @@ -22959,8 +22959,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9O0Tcxr013265; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:29:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Aldor and Lisp Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:29:15 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -24297,7 +24297,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9PNbda15037; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:37:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:37:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: documentation @@ -24347,7 +24347,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9PNo3M15054; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:50:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:50:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: documentation @@ -24396,7 +24396,7 @@ Subject: Re: documentation To: Tim Daly, list Cc: ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > ok, people, we're clearly missing a trend here... > @@ -24482,7 +24482,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9Q37J515134; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:07:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:07:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp from C Y on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:37:38 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: documentation @@ -24533,7 +24533,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9Q3UHq15146; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:30:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: code@google.com Cc: list Subject: summer of code 2006 @@ -24592,12 +24592,12 @@ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:46:51 -0400 Thread-Topic: documentation Thread-Index: AcXZ1kchUqWoZoBaRu2+0gujqGUwtAAQ/Crg From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:38 PM C Y wrote: > -> --- root Tim Daly wrote: +> --- Tim Daly wrote: > > > > > the latest idea i've seen in documentation is movies. @@ -24677,7 +24677,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9QC4cP15557; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:04:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:04:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: documentation @@ -24995,7 +24995,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9R1OY415729; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:24:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:24:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: documentation @@ -25211,7 +25211,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9R37oS15760; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:07:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:07:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: fyi @@ -25539,7 +25539,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9RCpa116169; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:51:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:51:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey on 27 Oct 2005 12:58:26 +0200) Subject: Re: compile with Debian fails @@ -25830,7 +25830,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9RERY316217; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:27:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:28:02 +0200) Subject: Re: compile with Debian fails @@ -25973,7 +25973,7 @@ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:39:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: documentation Thread-Index: AcXa90bcgobZMbhvTIOYmyMwnkyI+wAIH+rQ From: Bill Page -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:07 AM C Y wrote: @@ -26249,7 +26249,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9RNQVi16321; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:26:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:26:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:09:03 +0200) Subject: Re: another fix... @@ -26295,7 +26295,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9S5AIG16388; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:10:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:10:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: subtext and crystal? @@ -26346,7 +26346,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Oct 2005 10:03:04 +0200 Cc: list, Tim Daly -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Martin, > @@ -27534,7 +27534,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9UI8tI25262; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:08:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:08:55 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp from C Y on Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:27:40 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp? @@ -28463,7 +28463,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V18D925489; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:08:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:08:13 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: billclem@gmail.com Cc: list Subject: Axiom @@ -28524,7 +28524,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V2CY726577; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:12:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:12:34 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: MathAction (MathAction) Subject: Re: [#165 stream2.input] @@ -28628,7 +28628,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V2LIL26588; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:21:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:21:18 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: --patch46 @@ -28880,7 +28880,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V3ofU26663; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:50:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:50:41 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Balbir Thomas Balbir Thomas on Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:36:36 -0500) Subject: Re: 3D canvas for Tcl/Tk @@ -28910,7 +28910,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.209] (helo=mails09.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails09.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V4YWnI030984; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:34:48 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:34:27 -0500 @@ -28990,7 +28990,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V4XmE26712; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:33:48 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29025,7 +29025,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.212] (helo=mails12.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails12.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V4io5p015557; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:45:05 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:44:45 -0500 @@ -29107,7 +29107,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V4h5I26733; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:43:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:43:05 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29138,7 +29138,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V57q4K010583; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:08:07 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:07:46 -0500 @@ -29213,7 +29213,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9V5Fd226758; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:15:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:15:39 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29250,7 +29250,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9V64pbW019348; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:05:08 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:04:46 -0500 @@ -29489,7 +29489,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 Oct 2005 08:59:37 +0100 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > it's not far away. there are minor package issues but very little else. > once gcl becomes ansi i'll port it. @@ -29575,7 +29575,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9VBnso27170; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:49:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:49:54 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: --patch46 @@ -29627,7 +29627,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9VC5H627187; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:05:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:05:17 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey on 31 Oct 2005 08:59:37 +0100) Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp? @@ -29826,7 +29826,7 @@ Received: from [67.101.227.59] (helo=intech19.enhanced.com) for list; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:04 -0500 Received: from camm by intech19.enhanced.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1EWagL-00075c-00; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:30:41 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: --patch46 From: Camm Maguire Date: 31 Oct 2005 09:30:41 -0500 @@ -29835,7 +29835,7 @@ Cc: list Greetings! And please excuse me -- this thread has slipped under the radar here. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > > The purpose of this macro is to distinguish the stack address > > > space. Addresses of local variables should return true, and @@ -30086,7 +30086,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFAoMH005812; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:11:07 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:10:43 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30172,8 +30172,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFEZuL002150; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:14:51 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Online source code no longer working? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:14:28 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30270,7 +30270,7 @@ Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp? To: Tim Daly, Martin Rubey Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > yeah, it's coming eventually. i'm waiting for an ansi version of GCL > which is "in process". @@ -30437,7 +30437,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VFktF2017927; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:47:13 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Subject: RE: --patch46 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:46:48 -0500 @@ -30662,8 +30662,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VG4Nim031517; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:04:39 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: compile with Debian fails Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:04:17 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30736,8 +30736,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.211] (helo=mails11.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails11.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VG8ivR020262; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:08:56 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: ANSI Lisp? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:08:38 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -30948,8 +30948,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VHOg1O014181; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:25:01 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:24:35 -0500 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -31077,8 +31077,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.219] (helo=mails19.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails19.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VHjWJi019375; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:45:49 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:45:24 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -31130,8 +31130,8 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.217] (helo=mails17.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails17.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VHpVdR016329; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:51:47 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:51:23 -0500 charset="us-ascii" @@ -31374,7 +31374,7 @@ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:01:11 +1000 Thread-Topic: RE: Boot vs. Lisp Thread-Index: AcXeQCP6dAaPoFLlQKqP6/CXMplsSQAHGyYQ From: Mike Thomas -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Cc: list Hi Bill. @@ -37718,7 +37718,7 @@ Received: from [216.251.41.218] (helo=mails18.megamailservers.com) Received: from asus ([207.61.191.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mails18.megamailservers.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VLpmPS012338; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:52:06 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: "'Mike Thomas'" Mike Thomas Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:51:40 -0500 @@ -37782,7 +37782,7 @@ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:11:47 +1000 Thread-Topic: RE: Boot vs. Lisp Thread-Index: AcXeZVzaSIDONydKSxeUMIv0pTFSSQAAd/lw From: Mike Thomas -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Cc: list Hi Bill. @@ -37849,7 +37849,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j9VNMAL27362; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:22:10 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) Subject: Re: compile with Debian fails @@ -38137,7 +38137,7 @@ Received: (from root@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id jA12xeZ01343; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:59:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:59:41 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: BAD tim diff --git a/book/2005-11.txt b/book/2005-11.txt index bf196a9..e00bfb8 100644 --- a/book/2005-11.txt +++ b/book/2005-11.txt @@ -897,7 +897,7 @@ Subject: Re: --patch46 Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -1210,7 +1210,7 @@ might be a while before a time window opens for me to look into this. Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -1279,7 +1279,7 @@ Subject: Re: BAD tim Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Tim, > @@ -3709,7 +3709,7 @@ To: Bill Page Subject: re: Boot vs. Lisp Cc: Mike Thomas -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Hello Mike, | @@ -3778,7 +3778,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey To: Bill Page Subject: Re: StepThrough -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > According to the documentation: > @@ -4221,7 +4221,7 @@ on linux and windows with the same code. suggestions are welcome. \start Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:16:05 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Scott Morrison, Tim Daly Subject: Terms of Surrender (was: BAD tim) @@ -4642,7 +4642,7 @@ Dear Bill, Cliff, Clifford, are you still there? I'm not quite sure about your status now, are you interested in pursuing this project? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > Float is -- although obviously different from the reals > > -- a *model* for them. So it would *not* have COUNTABLE. @@ -5116,7 +5116,7 @@ Axiom) required to bring it into being. 2) will hopefully supply me with the Axiom specific tools and knowledge needed to do this intelligently. -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > > Float is -- although obviously different from the reals > > > -- a *model* for them. So it would *not* have COUNTABLE. @@ -9486,7 +9486,7 @@ To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [fspace.spad] dvi file display -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Have any seen this error with any other source files? > @@ -18516,7 +18516,7 @@ remake: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:11:19 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom + High Energy Physics +Subject: re: Axiom + High Energy Physics On November 10, 2005 8:16 PM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -32880,7 +32880,7 @@ remake: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:48:05 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Francois Maltey -Subject: RE: Re: Problems compiling modified Spad file under debian +Subject: re: Problems compiling modified Spad file under debian Cc: Camm Maguire This looks to me like the Debian build of Axiom is a little broken @@ -32937,7 +32937,7 @@ patch-45 on RedHat 9. Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:19:57 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: allprose missing file +Subject: re: allprose missing file On November 23, 2005 1:34 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: @@ -33332,7 +33332,7 @@ has web access. Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:26:26 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly, Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Re: allprose missing file +Subject: re: allprose missing file On November 23, 2005 6:29 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: > ... @@ -33487,7 +33487,7 @@ Reply to this item at: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:52:39 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: allprose missing file +Subject: re: allprose missing file On November 23, 2005 11:49 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: > @@ -39406,7 +39406,7 @@ form of a pamphlet on MathAction. Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:00:30 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: article "standard" header/footer +Subject: re: article "standard" header/footer On Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:04 PM C Y wrote: >... diff --git a/book/2005-12.txt b/book/2005-12.txt index 94e5bdd..14c215c 100644 --- a/book/2005-12.txt +++ b/book/2005-12.txt @@ -1370,7 +1370,7 @@ Tim Daly writes: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:38:38 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp Cc: Jens Axel Segaard On December 5, 2005 4:01 AM William Sit wrote: @@ -1649,7 +1649,7 @@ Subject: [FrontPage] Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page, William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp Cc: Jens Axel Segaard --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -1855,7 +1855,7 @@ applications}, Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:44:42 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp William, @@ -2263,7 +2263,7 @@ no matter how big they are." Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:23:21 -0500 From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp On December 6, 2005 1:11 AM William Sit wrote: > @@ -2728,7 +2728,7 @@ http://www.flownet.com/ron/packages.pdf Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:28:51 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp On Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:24 PM C Y wrote: > @@ -2803,7 +2803,7 @@ packages are used in Axiom. Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:47:39 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: learning Lisp +Subject: re: learning Lisp On Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:14 PM Tim Daly wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -27423,7 +27423,7 @@ experience with this feature of Plone. Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:12:49 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Doyen +Subject: re: Doyen Cc: list, Alfredo Portes On Monday, December 19, 2005 11:14 PM Tim Daly (root) wrote: diff --git a/book/2006-01.txt b/book/2006-01.txt index 420ae1d..bd519e8 100644 --- a/book/2006-01.txt +++ b/book/2006-01.txt @@ -3897,7 +3897,7 @@ www.algor.org is not responding. Does anyone know why? \start Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:57:24 +0100 -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski To: Tim Daly Subject: Patches for book--main--1 @@ -10670,7 +10670,7 @@ the software. > From: Bob McElrath [mailto:Bob McElrath] > Sent: January 19, 2006 1:34 PM > To: Bill Page -> Cc: 'Alfredo Portes'; list +> Cc: Alfredo Portes; list > Subject: Re: Error in Main Page > > @@ -10931,7 +10931,7 @@ Bill Page [Bill Page] wrote: > > From: Bob McElrath [mailto:Bob McElrath] > > Sent: January 19, 2006 1:34 PM > > To: Bill Page -> > Cc: 'Alfredo Portes'; list +> > Cc: Alfredo Portes; list > > Subject: Re: Error in Main Page > > > > diff --git a/book/2006-02.txt b/book/2006-02.txt index c980312..56b04d5 100644 --- a/book/2006-02.txt +++ b/book/2006-02.txt @@ -17494,7 +17494,7 @@ Great. Subject: RE: about Expression Integer Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:38:46 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "Francois Maltey" Francois Maltey +To: Francois Maltey On Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:11 PM Francois Maltey wrote: > @@ -18555,7 +18555,7 @@ attempts to use it during the function selection process. \start Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:58:19 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: 1/x x = 1 is a bug! William, @@ -19862,7 +19862,7 @@ The following is verbatim quote from Email by Bill Page: Subject: Re: 1/x x = 1 is a bug! Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:58:19 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit CC: , Bill Page,Martin Rubey,Ralf Hemmecke, Francois Maltey William, diff --git a/book/2006-03.txt b/book/2006-03.txt index bfdb6e2..0e1fc84 100644 --- a/book/2006-03.txt +++ b/book/2006-03.txt @@ -4930,7 +4930,7 @@ sorry. Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:43:54 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: "Factoring" Expression Integer/simplifying powers (an example) +Subject: re: "Factoring" Expression Integer/simplifying powers (an example) On Monday, March 06, 2006 6:42 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -8383,7 +8383,7 @@ been lost (I just got email this week about it). I'm re-applying. Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:21:17 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures +Subject: re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures Cc: Stephen Watt On March 10, 2006 7:30 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -8886,7 +8886,7 @@ main(); Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:50:23 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures +Subject: re: BINGO, Curiosities with Axiom mathematical structures Cc: Stephen Watt On March 13, 2006 8:34 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -14352,7 +14352,7 @@ generate a .exe file if you need it. Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:55:46 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Tim, @@ -14513,7 +14513,7 @@ to do your task. What could be easier? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:36:11 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Tim, @@ -14836,7 +14836,7 @@ nope. not yet. --t Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:18:18 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Ralf, @@ -15313,7 +15313,7 @@ it help to send the petition to NAG? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:38:54 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Camm, @@ -15588,7 +15588,7 @@ is still incomplete. Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:44:50 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a Ralf, @@ -15924,7 +15924,7 @@ I suspect the meat must be the papers refered to as [1] [3] [4], [5], Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:54:24 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a On Friday, March 24, 2006 8:50 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -19607,7 +19607,7 @@ I'll bring it up with Bill who maintains that branch. --t Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:16:27 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: libaxiom.a +Subject: re: libaxiom.a On March 29, 2006 5:09 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > diff --git a/book/2006-04.txt b/book/2006-04.txt index 654b299..4b364b1 100644 --- a/book/2006-04.txt +++ b/book/2006-04.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:50:50 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: #196 ')set functions compile on' @@ -1301,7 +1301,7 @@ testing patches). Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:19:08 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet +Subject: re: typo in src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet On Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:56 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -12267,7 +12267,7 @@ http://code.google.com/soc/ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:25:46 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Simon Michael -Subject: RE: Re: Glossary +Subject: re: Glossary On April 14, 2006 5:12 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -12640,7 +12640,7 @@ On 04/16/2006 04:18 PM, anonymous wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:18:26 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner basis.] +Subject: re: [#284 axiom crashes for a Graebner basis.] Ralf, @@ -18899,7 +18899,7 @@ I can report a successful build for both GCL and Axiom. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:16:55 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: sourceforge cvs +Subject: re: sourceforge cvs On April 26, 2006 10:39 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > diff --git a/book/2006-07.txt b/book/2006-07.txt index cf312a0..cf57a35 100644 --- a/book/2006-07.txt +++ b/book/2006-07.txt @@ -412,7 +412,7 @@ l.15 \center{\includegraphics{ps/axiomFront.ps} \start Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:37:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: .svn recursive copying bug @@ -429,7 +429,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: .svn recursive copying bug -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | seems reasonable. | could you please do: @@ -443,7 +443,7 @@ entry the appropriate ChangeLog. \start Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:16:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet @@ -493,7 +493,7 @@ Ralf On 07/02/2006 10:13 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > | seems reasonable. > | could you please do: @@ -511,7 +511,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet {\wc -> {\sl -- fixed in the next release --t @@ -14843,7 +14843,7 @@ look. \start Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:48:26 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom build failure on an x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Gaby, diff --git a/book/2006-08.txt b/book/2006-08.txt index 4b2646c..28ef791 100644 --- a/book/2006-08.txt +++ b/book/2006-08.txt @@ -567,7 +567,7 @@ before I point students to working on/with Axiom. \start Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:14:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Build-Improvements @@ -18345,7 +18345,7 @@ old GCL bits. Old GCL here means anything prior to GCL-2.6.7. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Old Lisp Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:04:25 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -19381,7 +19381,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Has anybody attempted to build Aldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:13:04 -0400 @@ -19659,7 +19659,7 @@ EcMMaFz0Quidcz2RHDKNdYw= \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Simon Michael'" Simon Michael +To: Simon Michael Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:29:47 -0400 @@ -19864,7 +19864,7 @@ t \start From: Bill Page To: "'Bob McElrath'" , - "'Simon Michael'" Simon Michael + Simon Michael Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:56:19 -0400 @@ -19970,11 +19970,11 @@ From: Bob McElrath To: Bill Page Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? - 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael, list + Simon Michael, list <00fb01c6bf44$dd19e160$6900a8c0@asus> protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on moya.mcelrath.org -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga @@ -20054,7 +20054,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: RE: Issues with documentation revisions Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:22:36 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 13, 2006 8:12 PM William Sit wrote: > @@ -20113,7 +20113,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:35:14 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 13, 2006 10:07 PM Bob McElrath wrote: > ... @@ -20346,7 +20346,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 05:02:50 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill Page writes: @@ -20462,7 +20462,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:17:14 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 13, 2006 11:03 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -20584,7 +20584,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted To: Bill Page Message-id: <44E00236.E0B47752@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill Page wrote: > @@ -20727,7 +20727,7 @@ Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Issues with documentation revisions To: Bill Page, William Sit -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -20968,7 +20968,7 @@ Subject: Re: Issues with documentation revisions To: Bill Page Message-id: <44E027B0.55434AA@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill: @@ -21168,7 +21168,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: RE: Issues with documentation revisions Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:50:05 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 14, 2006 3:35 AM William Sit wrote: > @@ -21456,7 +21456,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 Aug 2006 17:34:28 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael Bill Page writes: @@ -21600,7 +21600,7 @@ Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:34:00 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael On August 14, 2006 11:34 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -21633,7 +21633,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: configure on MAC/FreeBSD Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:41:02 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -21716,7 +21716,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Has anybody attempted to buildAldor+Axiomlately? -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: list, Simon Michael >> | > Can we just have the documentations as part of the SVN >> | > repository? @@ -23456,7 +23456,7 @@ Martin \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: AldorForAxiom Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:57:27 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -27143,7 +27143,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis + Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:42:04 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list, Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org @@ -41125,7 +41125,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Curious behavior of Taylor series Cc: Igor Khavkine -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > Igor Khavkine writes: > diff --git a/book/2006-09.txt b/book/2006-09.txt index dd2159f..f61cc30 100644 --- a/book/2006-09.txt +++ b/book/2006-09.txt @@ -3041,7 +3041,7 @@ project. But that's just me. Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:59:23 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Requiring LaTeX +Subject: re: Requiring LaTeX On September 1, 2006 6:33 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -4475,8 +4475,8 @@ Cc: list > -----Original Message----- -> From: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -> [mailto:gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis +> From: Gabriel Dos Reis +> [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: September 3, 2006 2:44 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: list @@ -4556,8 +4556,8 @@ On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: | | | > -----Original Message----- -| > From: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -| > [mailto:gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis +| > From: Gabriel Dos Reis +| > [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis | > Sent: September 3, 2006 2:44 PM | > To: Bill Page | > Cc: list @@ -5583,7 +5583,7 @@ Ralf, please could you check in the corrected versions? \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: SVN problems Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:56:55 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -7973,7 +7973,7 @@ On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:13:59 -0700, Tim Daly wrote: I am the same. Getting SAGE to build on OS X was much harder for me than even getting it to build on Cygwin. I'm forcing myself to learn OS X right now (by using it), partly since so many potential end users are -using it these days. By the way, Justin Walker (justin@mac.com) is often +using it these days. By the way, Justin Walker (Justin Walker) is often extremely helpful and sorting out compilation issues on OS X. Why do you need fink for building axiom? Probably you just need the latest @@ -8253,7 +8253,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:47:47 -0700 -To: "Justin C. Walker" , list +To: Justin Walker, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question From: "William Stein" William Stein @@ -8263,7 +8263,7 @@ From: "William Stein" William Stein <857239FD-2BBD-4016-AE75-3210061A8A9D@mac.com> Cc: SAGE SAGE Development -On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700, Justin C. Walker +On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700, Justin C. Walker Justin Walker wrote: > If you have a Mac, it "comes with". It is not installed by default, > but you can install it from the CD/DVD that came with your system. @@ -8304,7 +8304,7 @@ Axiom doesn't depend on packages you only get via fink. \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700 To: list @@ -8351,7 +8351,7 @@ You're not paying attention \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:05:05 -0700 To: SAGE Development @@ -8361,7 +8361,7 @@ Cc: list On Sep 5, 2006, at 21:47 , William Stein wrote: > On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:41:57 -0700, Justin C. Walker -> wrote: +> Justin Walker wrote: >> If you have a Mac, it "comes with". It is not installed by default, >> but you can install it from the CD/DVD that came with your system. > @@ -8485,7 +8485,7 @@ Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question <200609060242.k862g9x12269@localhost.localdomain> <857239FD-2BBD-4016-AE75-3210061A8A9D@mac.com> -Cc: justin@mac.com, list, +Cc: Justin Walker, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net William, @@ -8528,7 +8528,7 @@ two days ago and I find it useful. \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:44:13 -0700 To: Tim Daly @@ -8591,7 +8591,7 @@ From: "William Stein" William Stein <200609060924.k869OQ312743@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:30:28 -0700 -Cc: justin@mac.com, list, +Cc: Justin Walker, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:24:26 -0700, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -8721,7 +8721,7 @@ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:44:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbRywvanwubnZDIQP+us0qJBmqnJgABxgKw From: Bill Page -To: "Justin C. Walker" +To: Justin Walker Cc: list, SAGE SAGE Development Subject: Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) @@ -8772,7 +8772,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:11:49 -0700 To: Bill Page Cc: list, @@ -9479,7 +9479,7 @@ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:09:35 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbR13pLYjUuT2fKQAm/FNilvsstWwAQLhog From: Bill Page -To: "Justin C. Walker" +To: Justin Walker Cc: waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, William Stein, list Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9575,7 +9575,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com From: Waqar Malik Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:42:15 -0500 To: Bill Page -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9611,7 +9611,7 @@ Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) Thread-Index: AcbSi9YxRpdTi1vATcyXiJ2CzK5BZQAA9IIg From: Bill Page To: "Waqar Malik" -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9660,7 +9660,7 @@ Bill Page. \start To: list -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:26:02 +0200 Subject: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom @@ -9763,7 +9763,7 @@ Kai From: Waqar Malik Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:43:48 -0500 To: Bill Page -Cc: "Justin C. Walker" , William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, William Stein, Camm Maguire, waqar@opendarwin.org, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully @@ -9859,7 +9859,7 @@ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:47:36 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page (Bill Page) -Cc: justin@mac.com, waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, William Stein, +Cc: Justin Walker, waqar@opendarwin.org, Camm Maguire, William Stein, wmalloc@gmail.com, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Xcode and Fink (was: Hopefully stupid question) @@ -9965,7 +9965,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700 From: Bob McElrath -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom list protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8a48p4KKsB+A/3VY" @@ -10145,7 +10145,7 @@ Bill Page. To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom <200609071545.k87FjmU13729@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski of "Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:45:48 -0400") Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:42:46 +0200 Cc: list @@ -10196,11 +10196,11 @@ Kai \start To: list Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski 07 Sep 2006 17:26:02 +0200") Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:43:05 +0200 -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: > The solution is to separate the GUI from the Axiom core and make GUI > programming easier. The former is pretty easy, just get rid of the GUI @@ -10248,7 +10248,7 @@ Kai \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" +From: Justin Walker Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:55:25 -0700 To: Bill Page Cc: Camm Maguire, William Stein, @@ -10320,7 +10320,7 @@ t Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:59:15 +0200 To: list Subject: Re: Lisp GUI libraries and a UI for Axiom -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski "Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:17:25 -0700") Bob McElrath writes: @@ -10929,7 +10929,7 @@ Agreed. \start To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:48:12 +0200 message of "Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:28:51 -0700 (PDT)") Cc: list @@ -11064,14 +11064,14 @@ other than the implementation of the Axiom<->GUI protocol. \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:08:50 -0500 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -11241,14 +11241,14 @@ differences in number and kind of ports. Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Cc: list Hey Kai! We never seem to overlap on IRC, do we? ;-) Sorry about that - I need xchat to make a noise when someone sends a message to me. Hmm... ---- Kai Kaminski wrote: +--- Kai Kaminski wrote: > The tool doesn't change, only the GUI. Do you know any other > successful language that has a canonical GUI? Certainly not C/C++, @@ -11583,14 +11583,14 @@ Waldek Hebisch To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI <878xkvjpn1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:13:44 +0200 of "07 Sep 2006 17:08:50 -0500") Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > [...] > @@ -11669,7 +11669,7 @@ directory. Thanks! \start To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:55:58 +0200 Cc: list @@ -11680,7 +11680,7 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: > Hmm... :-) -> --- Kai Kaminski wrote: +> --- Kai Kaminski wrote: > >> The tool doesn't change, only the GUI. Do you know any other >> successful language that has a canonical GUI? Certainly not C/C++, @@ -11998,7 +11998,7 @@ Kai \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI From: Martin Rubey @@ -12007,7 +12007,7 @@ Cc: list Hi Kai! -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: Good to see you here! @@ -12056,7 +12056,7 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly Subject: RE: Build-improvements - noweb required? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:55:43 -0400 charset="US-ASCII" -Cc: list, 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch +Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Tim, did you change the password on the 'Axiom-testresults' email list? @@ -12175,7 +12175,7 @@ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:16:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Build-improvements - noweb required? -Cc: list, 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch +Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Bill Page wrote: @@ -12394,10 +12394,10 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Cc: list ---- Kai Kaminski wrote: +--- Kai Kaminski wrote: > > What we should expose to GUIs and how is probably somewhat > > separate from how the GUIs use that information. The > > latter is usually where most of the trouble comes in :-). @@ -12565,8 +12565,8 @@ Subject: Re: Build-improvements - noweb required? To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:13:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch, list, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, list, + Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Gaby, I have seen this same problem recently while trying @@ -16747,7 +16747,7 @@ t \start To: Bill Page Subject: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:37:14 +0200 "Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:51:42 -0400") Cc: list @@ -17089,7 +17089,7 @@ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:25:37 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbWhZGKBn1rtUFzQVq2iQyZEMb5/AAEfupQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, @@ -20021,7 +20021,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:19:59 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbXNI1a5D9Vw1muTXuBO4Z0XsZnMgACGNsg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list On September 13, 2006 9:01 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -20321,7 +20321,7 @@ CVSROOT should go away completely. \start From: =?us-ascii?Q?Vanuxem_Gregory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: "Kai Kaminski" , - "C Y" Cliff Yapp + Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: A Canonical Axiom GUI Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:09:02 +0200 charset="us-ascii" @@ -20356,7 +20356,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:11:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: SVN on sourceforge Thread-Index: AcbXQm12hOdZPfM/T8m4BSerKsMjcgAACdPg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -20909,7 +20909,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:37:42 -0400 Thread-Topic: build-improvements and latex Thread-Index: AcbXV0Nf4Paxk/0zRW+JnrqSoVenFAAA5aNA From: Bill Page -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:08 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -21079,7 +21079,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:15:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) Thread-Index: AcbXXQ9qtWBPRtHKRxeGvh2TBbbxKgAAlvrw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list, Waldek Hebisch Subject: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) @@ -22747,7 +22747,7 @@ Thread-Topic: New Axiom Browser (was: build-improvements and latex) Thread-Index: AcbXca0AP8jFbXCGTDmIDM4pl9fZZAAAQZyg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -23124,7 +23124,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 23:56:27 -0400 Thread-Topic: Aldor and Axiom (was: SVN on sourceforge) Thread-Index: AcbXsG6Nt65P+gRlQR6c7b6K9OiEdQAAFSOw From: Bill Page -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list On Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:46 PM Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -24094,7 +24094,7 @@ t \start To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:46:00 +0200 of "Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:19:22 -0400") Cc: list @@ -24124,12 +24124,12 @@ Kai To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:02:46 +0200 14 Sep 2006 15:46:00 +0200") Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: > Tim Daly writes: > @@ -24162,7 +24162,7 @@ Kai To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferene call -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:06:37 +0200 14 Sep 2006 16:02:46 +0200") Cc: list @@ -25474,7 +25474,7 @@ On 09/14/2006 05:56 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:48:09 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-developer' @@ -25594,7 +25594,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:24:50 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-dev' @@ -26429,7 +26429,7 @@ t \start From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke + Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Fwd: [M#73697383] Re: Disk-quota Request Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:59:03 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -28322,7 +28322,7 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:17:04 +0200 Reis's message of "15 Sep 2006 06:47:15 +0200") Cc: list @@ -28401,7 +28401,7 @@ Martin \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -28410,7 +28410,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 11:10:22 +0200 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | @@ -28511,7 +28511,7 @@ Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:54:36 +0200 Reis's message of "15 Sep 2006 11:10:22 +0200") Cc: list @@ -29120,7 +29120,7 @@ got it. working on it. --t \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -29131,7 +29131,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 14:15:59 +0200 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | @@ -29228,14 +29228,14 @@ Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:47:43 +0200 Reis's message of "15 Sep 2006 14:15:59 +0200") Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | @@ -29367,7 +29367,7 @@ t \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:05:15 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: 'axiom-dev' @@ -29533,7 +29533,7 @@ Martin \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Makefile.solaris9 stanza <200609150240.k8F2eZ828772@localhost.localdomain> @@ -29546,7 +29546,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Sep 2006 16:50:36 +0200 Cc: list -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -29946,7 +29946,7 @@ Subject: RE: axiom.silver Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:47 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: Jaroslov Rosenberger, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis + Gabriel Dos Reis Camm, @@ -30070,7 +30070,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:44:16 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -30110,7 +30110,7 @@ Bill Page \start Subject: [Fwd: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI] From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:48:35 +0200 Cc: list @@ -30142,12 +30142,12 @@ Greg P.S: I finally forwarded your mail to this list with some hesitations. -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- -De: Kai Kaminski -=C0: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem +De: Kai Kaminski +=C0: Gregory Vanuxem Sujet: Re: A Canonical Axiom GUI Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:50:49 +0200 -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@nongnu.org @@ -30357,7 +30357,7 @@ Jay \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:39:19 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -31541,7 +31541,7 @@ mx038} pi=E8ce jointe message de courriel, "Undelivered Message" -------- Message transf=E9r=E9 -------- De: Vanuxem Gr=E9gory Gregory Vanuxem -=C0: Kai Kaminski +=C0: Kai Kaminski Sujet: About gmx.de Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:38:18 +0200 @@ -31808,7 +31808,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:30:31 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -31839,7 +31839,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:00:06 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -33050,7 +33050,7 @@ I don't follow. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Papers on Indefinites Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:28:42 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -33097,11 +33097,11 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:44:44 -0400 charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, 'William Sit' William Sit +Cc: list, William Sit On September 17, 2006 1:59 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -33313,7 +33313,7 @@ To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Question concerning types... From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:46:00 +0200 -Cc: list, 'William Sit' William Sit +Cc: list, William Sit Bill Page writes: @@ -33682,7 +33682,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: LaTeX source of the Rosetta document? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:21:21 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -35569,7 +35569,7 @@ just the range with no independent variable. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:01:42 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -35808,7 +35808,7 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:15:49 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -35956,7 +35956,7 @@ Tim, for the group \start From: Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:54:45 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -36646,7 +36646,7 @@ Ralf \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: RE: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:03:54 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -36687,7 +36687,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:19:00 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -36831,7 +36831,7 @@ Yes. I just finished a new trial again with 49 and 50 at the same time. \start To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom Conference Call Sept 18, 2006 -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:06:38 +0200 of "Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:58:34 -0400") Cc: list @@ -36925,7 +36925,7 @@ Ralf \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Question concerning types... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:25:07 -0400 charset="us-ascii" @@ -37278,7 +37278,7 @@ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:49:08 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbcKKY+1CfdAIBjR/O2FB5j09VemgAAjmNQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository @@ -37459,7 +37459,7 @@ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:35:47 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: AcbcMD+N1b4jJ5V9So6sp/5b6CLRMgAAjHIg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository @@ -37780,7 +37780,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:31:44 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: Acbck4+rhykhny2lQZm9DF7fXL00PgAAJWGw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -37946,7 +37946,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:15:17 -0400 Thread-Topic: Google Code repository Thread-Index: Acbckfw69eqKrUPGQcKcG5+sjO0aXgABZ29g From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: Google Code repository @@ -38118,7 +38118,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:45:24 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: AcbcnSt75A+VYix4SiqB3DuOhJ2m8wAA8VkQ From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -38267,7 +38267,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:08:57 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions <45111F9B.6010606@hemmecke.de> @@ -38303,7 +38303,7 @@ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:12:28 -0400 Thread-Topic: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions Thread-Index: Acbco+u3PgG4eSczTJek6/Aucix7oAAAShOw From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: [build Axiom] updated Windows build instructions @@ -38493,7 +38493,7 @@ Greg \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:57:34 -0400 Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows @@ -38562,7 +38562,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page @@ -39835,14 +39835,14 @@ Ralf \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:55:00 -0400 Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Thread-Index: AcbdiIz+TH0hdlu1Q86QpoANvt4w0wAAsTQg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -39997,7 +39997,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions <4512AF2C.5070805@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:10:26 +0200 21 Sep 2006 17:26:36 +0200") Cc: list @@ -40976,14 +40976,14 @@ eX0KXGVuZHtkb2N1bWVudH0K \start -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:26:43 -0400 Thread-Topic: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Thread-Index: Acbdkhy4TaNb+9p+RMuhhT6jRTW99wAAUpyA From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Ralf, @@ -41070,7 +41070,7 @@ Bill Page. \start To: list -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0200 Subject: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET @@ -42943,8 +42943,8 @@ Greg \start From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page, - "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows + Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: [build Axiom] updated Windows buildinstructions Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:12:26 +0200 charset="iso-8859-1" @@ -42955,7 +42955,7 @@ Cc: list > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 21 septembre 2006 18:27 > =C0 : Ralf Hemmecke > Cc : Vanuxem Gr=E9gory; axiom-dev; Bill Page -> Objet : RE: Re: [build Axiom] updated Windows +> Objet : re: [build Axiom] updated Windows > buildinstructions > This is part of the communications interface between Axiom and @@ -43046,7 +43046,7 @@ Alfredo \start Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:10:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Cc: list @@ -43267,14 +43267,14 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:31:08 +0200 Gregory's message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:23:30 +0200") Cc: list -Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@nongnu.org @@ -43302,7 +43302,7 @@ Kai \start To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:41:19 +0200 21 Sep 2006 22:10:50 +0200") Cc: list @@ -43783,7 +43783,7 @@ Greg \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:31:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET Cc: list @@ -44287,7 +44287,7 @@ Bill Page. To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:18:39 +0200 22 Sep 2006 01:31:51 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44335,7 +44335,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:26:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44439,7 +44439,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> <4513AC5D.60500@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:34:57 +0200 22 Sep 2006 11:26:53 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44518,7 +44518,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:14:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44586,7 +44586,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> <4513AC5D.60500@hemmecke.de> <4513FDDC.2060608@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:18:49 +0200 22 Sep 2006 17:14:36 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44730,7 +44730,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:41:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44827,7 +44827,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4513AC5D.60500@hemmecke.de> <4513FDDC.2060608@hemmecke.de> <45141251.4080107@hemmecke.de> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:48:46 +0200 22 Sep 2006 18:41:53 +0200") Cc: list @@ -44927,7 +44927,7 @@ Kai \start Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:11:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4512F1CA.8010809@hemmecke.de> <451320E7.1010806@hemmecke.de> @@ -44980,9 +44980,9 @@ Ralf \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski +Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski message dated "Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:51:04 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:23:37 +0200 From: Frithjof Schulze @@ -44990,7 +44990,7 @@ Cc: list Hey, -Kai Kaminski wrote: +Kai Kaminski wrote: > > I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which @@ -45030,7 +45030,7 @@ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET To: Frithjof Schulze, - Kai Kaminski + Kai Kaminski Cc: list --- Frithjof Schulze wrote: @@ -45119,14 +45119,14 @@ http://mail.yahoo.com \start To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:54:09 +0200 23 Sep 2006 12:23:37 +0200") Cc: list Frithjof Schulze writes: -> Kai Kaminski wrote: +> Kai Kaminski wrote: >> >> I've 'literated' VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET (the result is attached), which >> contains compatibility/utility code. @@ -45190,7 +45190,7 @@ edit other pages. Any idea? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:03:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Frithjof Schulze -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski, list Subject: Pamphlet style (was: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET) @@ -45350,16 +45350,16 @@ Ralf \start -To: Kai Kaminski +To: Kai Kaminski Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET -Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski +Comments: In-reply-to Kai Kaminski message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:54:09 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:32:09 +0200 From: Frithjof Schulze Cc: list -Kai Kaminski wrote: +Kai Kaminski wrote: > 1) Shouldn't mathematical symbols always be set in math mode, ie. 'the > field $F$' instead of 'the field F'? @@ -45406,7 +45406,7 @@ To: Frithjof Schulze Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <7687.1159007017@localhost> <20525.1159018329@localhost> -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski, list Hi Frithjof, @@ -45524,7 +45524,7 @@ Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke message dated "Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:57:30 +0200." Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:26:04 +0200 From: Frithjof Schulze -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski, list Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -45759,7 +45759,7 @@ Frithjof \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 01:24:52 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -45909,7 +45909,7 @@ Alfredo \start From: Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes +To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:44:29 -0400 charset="us-ascii" Cc: list @@ -46404,9 +46404,9 @@ Juan M. Bello Rivas \start Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:24:49 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SPAD grammar and parsing -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner +From: Christian Aistleitner <45158776.1090409@hemmecke.de> Cc: list @@ -46665,7 +46665,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <200609261506.k8QF6WO20583@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:35:00 +0200 of "Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:06:32 -0400") Cc: list @@ -46723,7 +46723,7 @@ Subject: Re: Literated VMLISP.LISP.PAMPHLET <4513FDDC.2060608@hemmecke.de> <200609261518.k8QFIT020599@localhost.localdomain> -From: Kai Kaminski +From: Kai Kaminski Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:43:40 +0200 of "Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:18:29 -0400") Cc: list @@ -47537,7 +47537,7 @@ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:30:45 -0400 Thread-Topic: plone Thread-Index: AcbiKrrrLeWs8TsxTgi6EvdePm//+AAEVNcg From: Bill Page -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: RE: plone diff --git a/book/2006-10.txt b/book/2006-10.txt index 5275ebf..a65f764 100644 --- a/book/2006-10.txt +++ b/book/2006-10.txt @@ -1391,7 +1391,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: boottocl -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: [...] @@ -1439,7 +1439,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: Boot -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: [...] @@ -2461,7 +2461,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: boottocl -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | Actually compiling stuff is extremely fast ;-) -- compared to 1991 or so | on a sun sparc ipc with 8 or 32 MBytes of memory. There were some @@ -13155,7 +13155,7 @@ order (quite different than the current order). Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:30:12 +0200 From: Juergen Weiss To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs +Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs > Gernot Hueber writes: > @@ -13239,7 +13239,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Juergen Weiss Subject: re: Axiom for OS X and the BSDs -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | | @@ -15732,7 +15732,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey To: William Sit Subject: Re: One more integral to add to the tests, if not already there -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) > Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -22419,7 +22419,7 @@ the version(s) of noweb distributed by Debian? > From: Waldek Hebisch [mailto:Waldek Hebisch] > Sent: October 22, 2006 11:01 AM > To: Bill Page -> Cc: list; 'Waldek Hebisch'; +> Cc: list; Waldek Hebisch; > 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl; Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; Reis' > Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > @@ -22759,7 +22759,7 @@ The underscore issue is a FAQ. > > From: Waldek Hebisch [mailto:Waldek Hebisch] > > Sent: October 22, 2006 11:01 AM > > To: Bill Page - > > Cc: list; 'Waldek Hebisch'; + > > Cc: list; Waldek Hebisch; > > 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl; Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; Reis' > > Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > > @@ -22855,7 +22855,7 @@ Bill Page. > Sent: October 22, 2006 6:38 PM > To: Bill Page > Cc: list; 'Gabriel@math.uni.wroc.pl; -> Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; 'Reis''; 'Waldek Hebisch' +> Dos@math.uni.wroc.pl; 'Reis''; Waldek Hebisch > Subject: Re: build-improvements and latex > > @@ -37454,7 +37454,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:45 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically Cc: Tom Hargreaves On Friday, October 27, 2006 9:52 AM Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -37891,7 +37891,7 @@ between build-improvements and silver. The job involves Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:19:01 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Patch for SPADEDIT +Subject: re: Patch for SPADEDIT On Friday, October 27, 2006 11:05 AM Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -38674,7 +38674,7 @@ problems. Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:03:11 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically +Subject: re: Bug#346552: naive methods of exiting axiom can blow up catastrophically On Friday, October 27, 2006 1:28 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: diff --git a/book/2006-11.txt b/book/2006-11.txt index 61d546a..8682680 100644 --- a/book/2006-11.txt +++ b/book/2006-11.txt @@ -1345,7 +1345,7 @@ I never quite understood why readline needs to be replaced. Do you know? \start Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:05:52 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:49 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -2743,7 +2743,7 @@ automatically at compile-time. Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:48:31 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: sock_get_string_buf +Subject: re: sock_get_string_buf Cc: Camm Maguire On November 2, 2006 2:29 AM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2776,7 +2776,7 @@ From: Camm Maguire To: Humberto Zuazaga Subject: re: gcl-2.6.8pre on MAC OSX 10.2 -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga writes: +Humberto Zuazaga writes: > Page, Bill wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:18 PM Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga wrote: @@ -11360,7 +11360,7 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:17:25 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: ActiveAxiomDevelopers +Subject: re: ActiveAxiomDevelopers On November 5, 2006 6:57 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -30909,7 +30909,7 @@ it is very important. Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:15:04 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem, Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: SPAD and Aldor again +Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again On November 17, 2006 1:03 PM Vanuxem Gregory > @@ -31137,7 +31137,7 @@ I have fetched the file. Thanks. Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:46:37 +0100 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: SPAD and Aldor again +Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again Le vendredi 17 novembre 2006 =E0 13:15 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > On November 17, 2006 1:03 PM Vanuxem Gregory @@ -31296,7 +31296,7 @@ Just to make sure. Yes, I would like to have it undr SVN. I have a question: Do I legally have the right to do that? \start -Subject: RE: Re: SPAD and Aldor again +Subject: re: SPAD and Aldor again From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:11:41 +0100 @@ -56481,7 +56481,7 @@ could wait more before starting the mirror to Google again. Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:25:02 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Cc: Camm Maguire On Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:38 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: @@ -56509,7 +56509,7 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/axiom--test--1/src/interp/VmlispLisp Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:28:18 +0100 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation: cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Cc: Camm Maguire Le mercredi 29 novembre 2006 =E0 15:25 -0500, Page, Bill a =E9crit : @@ -56599,7 +56599,7 @@ InternalPrintPackage(): Exports == Implementation where Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:20:51 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Cc: Camm Maguire On Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:28 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: @@ -56891,7 +56891,7 @@ On November 29, 2006 8:28 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:27:11 +0100 From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentation violation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) Le mercredi 29 novembre 2006 =E0 21:20 -0500, Page, Bill a =E9crit : @@ -57024,7 +57024,7 @@ CHANGELOG with ChangeLog and then claims I modified the file. Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:43:02 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstack ok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 (cvs head) On November 30, 2006 1:27 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: > ... diff --git a/book/2006-12.txt b/book/2006-12.txt index 445f133..1cb20e2 100644 --- a/book/2006-12.txt +++ b/book/2006-12.txt @@ -353,7 +353,7 @@ Hi, Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:23:55 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstackok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Segmentationviolation:cstackok:signalling error with GCL-2.7.0 On December 1, 2006 11:51 AM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: @@ -735,12 +735,12 @@ Log: --- ChangeLog.build-improvements (revision 349) +++ ChangeLog.build-improvements (patch openpty-again level 1) @@ -1,3 +1,13 @@ -+2006-12-01 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-12-01 Humberto Zuazaga + + * configure.ac.pamphlet: incorporated suggested changes from: + http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00687.html + -+2006-11-29 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-11-29 Humberto Zuazaga + + * configure.ac.pamphlet: added tests for openpty, pty.h, + util.h and libutil @@ -847,7 +847,7 @@ Log: --- src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements (revision 349) +++ src/clef/ChangeLog.build-improvements (patch openpty-again level 1) @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ -+2006-11-29 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-11-29 Humberto Zuazaga + + * Makefile.pamphlet: add -lutil to clef link flags if needed + @@ -971,7 +971,7 @@ Log: --- src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements (revision 349) +++ src/sman/ChangeLog.build-improvements (patch openpty-again level 1) @@ -1,3 +1,7 @@ -+2006-11-29 Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga ++2006-11-29 Humberto Zuazaga + + * Makefile.pamphlet: add -lutil to sman link flags if needed + @@ -5847,7 +5847,7 @@ What shell on Windows do you use to run ./configure? \start Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:29:06 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: Nag libraries > I have spent some thoughts in how Axiom can interface external (shared) @@ -6439,7 +6439,7 @@ for all of us anxious Axiom users! \start Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:02:12 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Axiom/GCL on windows On Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:52 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -7997,7 +7997,7 @@ this problem. I'm not sure why it wasn't applied. Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:24:49 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails] gazonk again +Subject: re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails] gazonk again On Monday, December 18, 2006 11:33 PM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -8151,7 +8151,7 @@ plays the same role as POLY, but in function space. Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:07:38 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails]gazonk again +Subject: re: [#330 generating 3d plot from hyperdoc fails]gazonk again Cc: Camm Maguire On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:30 AM Tim Daly wrote: diff --git a/book/2007-01.txt b/book/2007-01.txt index d902d12..ad0b328 100644 --- a/book/2007-01.txt +++ b/book/2007-01.txt @@ -2,9 +2,6 @@ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:27:18 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q3b6uh8am.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel Subject: Re: version 107 of trunk >> I have seen your definitions of Partial and Generator before, but I am not @@ -32,14 +29,10 @@ session, one cannot simply step this generator in a form like Is there somebody knowing the internals of Axiom (and maybe Aldor) who could help to make such a "for" statement work? -Ralf - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:44:11 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: Conditional for inner functions in a package. @@ -97,17 +90,10 @@ result (sin %i) -- sin, I wait a cos expResult (sin x) -- sin : right expResult (sin %i) -- cos : right - - - \start Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:38:09 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q3b6uh8am.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <459974EB.8000506@hemmecke.de> - <9qd55ye8ec.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel Subject: Re: version 107 of trunk On 01/01/2007 10:36 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -148,16 +134,11 @@ PkgA: with { } ---END aaa.as -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:31:21 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: Conditional for inner functions in a package. -Cc: list Hello Francois and Happy New Year to everyone. @@ -244,17 +225,11 @@ can do this. I hope I could help a little. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:59:50 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Subject: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom - interpreter +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter I have not been able to find any documentation about the use of "is" in the Axiom interpreter. For example: @@ -331,22 +306,14 @@ Does anyone know where I can find out how to use "is" in the interpreter? Where is this defined in the the interpreter source code? Is this operator also defined in the SPAD language? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom - interpreter -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 Jan 2007 11:19:20 +0100 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | I have not been able to find any documentation about the use | of "is" in the Axiom interpreter. For example: @@ -366,14 +333,10 @@ at the parsing function npMatch in src/interp/cparse.boot. \start -Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in - Axiom interpreter -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:10:05 +0100 -Cc: list - -Le mardi 02 janvier 2007 =E0 21:59 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter [...] @@ -386,27 +349,21 @@ What you are looking for can be found in i-spec1.boot and i-spec2.boot This is where the function "upis" is called . See the function bottomUp and more precisely the line that contains: -(fn:=3D GET(opName,"up")) and (u:=3D FUNCALL(fn, t)) =3D> u +(fn:= GET(opName,"up")) and (u:= FUNCALL(fn, t)) => u Greg PS: Don't ask me how to use "is" in the interpreter, I don't know :-). - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom - interpreter - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 Jan 2007 19:02:20 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: undocument "pattern matching" operator in Axiom interpreter Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | | | I have not been able to find any documentation about the use | | of "is" in the Axiom interpreter. For example: @@ -425,13 +382,9 @@ In fact, "is" and "isnt" are also implemented by the interpreter and the old SPAD compiler. See src/interp/parini.boot and src/interp/property.lisp. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:17:42 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: How to do generic sum using aldor? @@ -465,17 +418,11 @@ this happens on debian stable, Axiom+Aldor from April 2006, (axiom-aldor-20060621.tgz as available on axiom-developer.org). I was wondering how to implement a "generic" sumlist function. -thanks -Franz - - - \start Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:39:50 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? -Cc: list You should have read previous posts. Axiom does not understand "extend". @@ -498,15 +445,10 @@ SumPackage(R: Ring): with { } ---END sumlist.as -Have fun -Ralf - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:35:54 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Complex argument Current version of complex argument (in gaussian.spad.pamphlet) is @@ -571,16 +513,10 @@ diff -u wh-sandbox2.bb/src/algebra/gaussian.spad.pamphlet wh-sandbox2/src/algebr --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:47:29 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Zero divisors in Expression Integer I have already written that due to incomplte simplification we @@ -614,18 +550,11 @@ BTW, a similar looking constant expression throws an error: >> Error detected within library code: univariate: denominator is 0 mod p --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -To: Waldek Hebisch,list Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:31:13 -0500 -Cc: +From: William Sit +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 05:47:29 +0100 (CET) Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -677,19 +606,12 @@ to test zero. Another is denesting of a nested radical expression. These problems have been studied by Zippel, Landau, Tulone et al, Carette and others. -William - - - - - - \start +Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:34:55 +0100 From: Gernot Hueber To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? -Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:34:55 +0100 -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner You also can use reduce. E.g. reduce(+, [1,2,3]) @@ -717,28 +639,13 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: > } > } > ---END sumlist.as -> -> Have fun -> Ralf -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:42:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - <20070104073455.86643.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner On 01/04/2007 08:34 AM, Gernot Hueber wrote: > You also can use reduce. E.g. reduce(+, [1,2,3]) @@ -765,17 +672,11 @@ reduce: ((S,S)->S,%,S) -> S ++ For example, \axiom{reduce(+,u,0)} returns the ++ sum of the elements of u. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:57:58 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -812,21 +713,17 @@ BoundedFiniteDataStructureType ? Then SumPackage(L:BoundedFiniteDataStructureType,R:AdditiveType) with essentially the same code would do just any possible case. -Franz - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:04:14 +0100 +From: Christian Aistleitner To: list -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> Subject: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 Dear list, I installed the binary Axiom+Aldor package from -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=3D/public/axiom-aldor-2006062= -1.tgz&it=3DAxiom+with+Aldor+binary +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=/public/axiom-aldor-2006062= +1.tgz&it=Axiom+with+Aldor+binary according to the instructions on http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries on my gentoo amd64 system. @@ -835,20 +732,18 @@ Compiling the following short snippet (as test.as) #include "axiom" -f():OutputForm =3D=3D { +f():OutputForm == { import from Integer; outputForm 1; } -within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after = - +within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after compilation, I get >> System error: Unknown bfd format -. How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from within Axiom = - +. How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from within Axiom using the Aldor compiler? @@ -856,26 +751,22 @@ using the Aldor compiler? Let me now give you more details about the setup: -I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the appropriate= - = - +I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the appropriate 32bit libraries installed on my system: ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom ldd /home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/AXIOMsys - linux-gate.so.1 =3D> (0xffffe000) - libm.so.6 =3D> /lib32/libm.so.6 (0xf7ec5000) - libgmp.so.3 =3D> /lib32/libgmp.so.3 (0xf7e90000) - libreadline.so.4 =3D> /emul/linux/x86/lib/libreadline.so.4 = - + linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) + libm.so.6 => /lib32/libm.so.6 (0xf7ec5000) + libgmp.so.3 => /lib32/libgmp.so.3 (0xf7e90000) + libreadline.so.4 => /emul/linux/x86/lib/libreadline.so.4 (0xf7e64000) - libncurses.so.5 =3D> /emul/linux/x86/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xf7e= -23000) - libc.so.6 =3D> /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7cfa000) + libncurses.so.5 => /emul/linux/x86/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xf7e23000) + libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7cfa000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f0e000) - libgpm.so.1 =3D> /emul/linux/x86/lib/libgpm.so.1 (0xf7cf4000) + libgpm.so.1 => /emul/linux/x86/lib/libgpm.so.1 (0xf7cf4000) . @@ -886,22 +777,22 @@ and the setup followed the instruction on the web page mentioned above ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export AXIOM=3D/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/axiom/mnt/linux +export AXIOM=/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/axiom/mnt/linux ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export ALDORROOT=3D/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/aldor/linux/1.0.2 +export ALDORROOT=/home/tmgisi/axiomaldor/aldor/linux/1.0.2 ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer cwd: ~/axiom -export PATH=3D$ALDORROOT/bin:$PATH +export PATH=$ALDORROOT/bin:$PATH ____________________________________________ tmgisi@spencer @@ -909,7 +800,7 @@ cwd: ~/axiom cat test.as #include "axiom" -f():OutputForm =3D=3D { +f():OutputForm == { import from Integer; outputForm 1; } @@ -936,8 +827,7 @@ AXIOMsys (1) -> )co test.as Compiling AXIOM source code from file test.as using AXIOM-XL compiler and options --O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y = - +-O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra Use the system command )set compiler args to change these options. @@ -972,19 +862,11 @@ $AXIOM/algebra environment and return to the operating system: y -Kind regards, -Christian Aistleitner - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:36:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list > I read the excellent aldor user's guide and neglected the fact, that > it is written for the standalone version of aldor rather than the axiom @@ -1054,19 +936,11 @@ I don't know of any "Bounded..." category in Axiom. Yep. But sorry to say: Axiom is weak in that respect (at least to my knowledge). -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:06:07 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - - <459CF4BF.1060202@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -1110,15 +984,11 @@ compiler? I rather would like the for loop but do not know where to import it from. greping the source files is not really helpful in this case ... -Franz - - - \start -Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:46:56 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer William wrote: > Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -1308,42 +1178,33 @@ and a different one for numeric computations breaks one of fundamental expectations (namely, that evaluating functions at a point is a homomorphizm). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: RE: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:00:42 -0500 -Thread-Topic: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -Thread-Index: Accv+IBRNIGbkjR1RGOb7yWhqs/feQAFc3Yg From: Bill Page -To: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> -Cc: list +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: RE: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 On Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:04 AM Christian Aistleitner wrote: ->=20 +> > I installed the binary Axiom+Aldor package from -> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=3D/public/axiom-aldor --20060621.tgz&it=3DAxiom+with+Aldor+binary +> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/Mirrors?go=/public/axiom-aldor +-20060621.tgz&it=Axiom+with+Aldor+binary > according to the instructions on > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries > on my gentoo amd64 system. ->=20 +> > Compiling the following short snippet (as test.as) ->=20 +> > #include "axiom" ->=20 -> f():OutputForm =3D=3D { +> +> f():OutputForm == { > import from Integer; > outputForm 1; > } ->=20 -> within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after =20 +> +> within Axiom, gives no error. But when calling the function f after > compilation, I get ->=20 +> > >> System error: > Unknown bfd format > @@ -1352,10 +1213,10 @@ My guess is that the version of gcl from which Axiom+Aldor was produced does not specify the appropriate gcc option (-m32 ?) to ensure that the object file that is created from the Aldor lisp output can be linked with the Axiom+Aldor binary. -=20 -> How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from=20 + +> How can I get Axiom to run code that got compiled from > within Axiom using the Aldor compiler? ->=20 +> I run Axiom with Aldor on my AMD64 system but I have compiled both Axiom and Aldor from source on this system. If you absolutely @@ -1373,12 +1234,12 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom to link Axiom with Aldor. ->=20 +> > Let me now give you more details about the setup: ->=20 -> I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the=20 +> +> I know the downloaded file is a 32bit binary, but I have the > appropriate 32bit libraries installed on my system: ->=20 +> Probably when the lisp generated by Aldor inside Axiom+Aldor is compiled to object code, the object code defaults to a 64-bit @@ -1387,21 +1248,11 @@ system. It might be possible to get around this by specifying different options for the compile. But I think you would be happier running both Axiom and Aldor in full 64-bit mode. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:10:38 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: How to do generic sum using aldor? - <459C30B6.8080901@hemmecke.de> - - <459CF4BF.1060202@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list >> Since you want to work with Axiom, I guess you are right here. > well, there is also axiom-math and axiom-mail ... anyways the people who @@ -1507,18 +1358,10 @@ while not empty? ll repeat { ll := rest ll; } -Hope that helps - -Ralf - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:59:04 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Complex argument and mapleok I have checked the impact of commplex argument patch on mapleok. @@ -1540,16 +1383,10 @@ are: Also, the results look too complicated (at least in some cases I know that there is simpler answer). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:05:33 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: executables under lib? Hello, @@ -1573,31 +1410,28 @@ execute: Success /bin/sh: line 1: exec: /zvol/axiom/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/viewman: cannot execute: Success - - - \start +Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:05:53 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: list Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:05:53 +0100 Waldek Hebisch writes: -[....]=20 +[....] > There is an extra difficulty: traditional numerical definitions > of elementary functions have branch cuts. Branch cuts means > that we no longer have analytic functions and we may get > zero divisors even if algebraic approach would produce unique > answer. -=20 + > Branch cuts turn decidable problem into undecidable one: -=20 + > I am not sure how well we want to support branch cuts. I belive > that in most practical cases functions are analytic, for example > sqrt(exp(%i*x)) is just exp(%i*x/2) (while branch cut interpretation -> would produce artifical discontinuities). =20 +> would produce artifical discontinuities). > In other work "correctly" > handling branch cuts means solving hard problem giving result @@ -1615,50 +1449,43 @@ I try to use and to teach almost(?) the same mathematics with a pencil and with a computer algebra system to my students. A lot of formula about sqrt are right because there are the usual -branch cuts. Without theses branch cuts I fear we can write=20 --1 =3D 1^(1/2) =3D 1 and the equal isn't so associative. +branch cuts. Without theses branch cuts I fear we can write +-1 = 1^(1/2) = 1 and the equal isn't so associative. I think the map notion has priority over branch cut. -For real numbers sqrt (x^2) =3D abs x is an universal equality=20 -because sqrt is a map.=20 +For real numbers sqrt (x^2) = abs x is an universal equality +because sqrt is a map. -When we prefer to write sqrt (x^2) =3D x we loose the common sens of=20 +When we prefer to write sqrt (x^2) = x we loose the common sens of mathematics and all the map abilities. -I give this exercice to my students.=20 -Solve in x for a real number a the equation a (a-1) x =3D a +I give this exercice to my students. +Solve in x for a real number a the equation a (a-1) x = a (or an other equation as this one) -With an algebra point of view we get x =3D 1/(a-1). +With an algebra point of view we get x = 1/(a-1). -Standard mathematics prefers : a=3D0 =3D> every x is solution. - a=3D1 =3D> there is no solution - =3D> x =3D 1 / (a-1) +Standard mathematics prefers : a=0 => every x is solution. + a=1 => there is no solution + => x = 1 / (a-1) -0/0 is undefined, even in a/a when a=3D0 +0/0 is undefined, even in a/a when a=0 I prefer a CAS which respect (almost) all mathematics by default. -When the question is undecidable or isn't coded an option=20 -as << NoPole >> prevents the user to be prudent.=20 +When the question is undecidable or isn't coded an option +as << NoPole >> prevents the user to be prudent. The topic of the #285 bug is almost the same. -In the elemntry package I test I only simplify by default exp (log z) =3D= - z,=20 -not log (exp z) =3D z.=20 +In the elemntry package I test I only simplify by default exp (log z) = z, +not log (exp z) = z. But in a rewrite? package I'll add a rewrite rule as rewrite (log (exp z), logExp) which gives z. -Fran=E7ois. - - - \start Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:32:22 -0500 From: William Sit To: list -Message-id: <459E99B6.E415C94A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch The following may be contraversial but their experience may @@ -1678,18 +1505,11 @@ developers have deliberately slowed down their work. Full article: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html -William - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: William Sit, -Subject: RE: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:19:56 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit +Subject: RE: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch On January 5, 2007 1:32 PM William Sit wrote: > @@ -1715,19 +1535,10 @@ donations, which seem to arrive at the rate of about $50 every 6 months or so ... So it seems that we can only "wish" that we had the problems the Debian has. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:38:09 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <459F43D1.2020104@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: MathML package Below is a package for producing presentation MathML. It's my first attempt @@ -2348,18 +2159,11 @@ should handle floats op := formatMml(first l,minPrec) formatFunction(op,args,prec) - - - - \start Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:45:09 -0500 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch To: Bill Page -Message-id: <459F4575.CD2C0E8D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Disgruntled Debian Developers Delay Etch Bill Page wrote: @@ -2378,17 +2182,11 @@ amount (at least $100k), we can at least support some graduate students. But from your report, that seems hopeless, and fund-raising is also a very time-consuming endeavor. -William - - - - \start Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:25:18 +0100 +From: Christian Aistleitner To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -2471,18 +2269,11 @@ So obviously, at step 5 of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom I chose the wrong sources. Would the golden one be the correct one then? -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:21:54 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Christian Aistleitner <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 - -Cc: list Hallo Christian, @@ -2501,11 +2292,11 @@ I cannot help with all, but maybe with some of the problems. >> produced does not specify the appropriate gcc option (-m32 ?) to >> ensure that the object file that is created from the Aldor lisp >> output can be linked with the Axiom+Aldor binary. ->=20 -> oh, besides the aldor compiler, axiom also uses gcl to compile aldor=20 +> +> oh, besides the aldor compiler, axiom also uses gcl to compile aldor > sources? -Aldor is only called to produce .ao, .asy, and .lsp files. Axiom starts=20 +Aldor is only called to produce .ao, .asy, and .lsp files. Axiom starts gcl in a second pass to make an .o file out of .lsp. [...] @@ -2515,25 +2306,19 @@ gcl in a second pass to make an .o file out of .lsp. >> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom >> >> to link Axiom with Aldor. ->=20 -> I tried to follow that guide, but ran into trouble already at step 5=20 -> =E2=80=9CUpdate your axiom source code to patch 44=E2=80=9D, as for a f= -resh install, of=20 -> course I could not =E2=80=9Ctla update=E2=80=9D. I tried with the silve= -r sources=20 -> instead. Building axiom aborted, and make complained about denied=20 +> +> I tried to follow that guide, but ran into trouble already at step 5 +> =E2=80=9CUpdate your axiom source code to patch 44=E2=80=9D, as for a fresh install, of +> course I could not =E2=80=9Ctla update=E2=80=9D. I tried with the silver sources +> instead. Building axiom aborted, and make complained about denied > permission to modify > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/entries -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/all-wcpr= -ops -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/prop-bas= -e/axiom.sty.svn-base=20 ->=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/text-bas= -e/axiom.sty.svn-base=20 - -That is a bug that I fixed in revision 75 of branches/build-improvements = +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/all-wcprops +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/prop-base/axiom.sty.svn-base +> +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/.svn/text-base/axiom.sty.svn-base +That is a bug that I fixed in revision 75 of branches/build-improvements at sourceforge. Makefile.pamphlet: @@ -2551,73 +2336,53 @@ ${OUT}/Makefile.pamphlet: @echo 1 making ${SRC}/scripts cp -pr * ${OUT} -There is actually another change in src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet, but maybe = - +There is actually another change in src/doc/Makefile.pamphlet, but maybe the two files above suffice. -Maybe it is easier to use svk instead of svn. svk does not put .svn=20 +Maybe it is easier to use svk instead of svn. svk does not put .svn directories inside the checked out tree. See http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/AxiomSilverBranch -> chmodding everything within /hemo/tmgisi/axiom64 to 777, make got past = - +> chmodding everything within /hemo/tmgisi/axiom64 to 777, make got past > this point but make did not proceed for more than 24-hours at: ->=20 -> make[3]: Entering directory=20 +> +> make[3]: Entering directory > `/home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc' -> 1 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/int/doc/axiom.bib from= -=20 +> 1 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/int/doc/axiom.bib from > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/axiom.bib.pamphlet -> 2 making=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty fro= -m=20 +> 2 making +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/tex/axiom.sty from > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/axiom.sty.pamphlet -> 3 making=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dv= -i=20 -> from=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet= - +> 3 making +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi +> from +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet > The root module <<*>> was not defined. -> 4 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/book.dvi= -=20 +> 4 making /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/book.dvi > from /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/book.pamphlet -> 4 making=20 -> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from= -=20 +> 4 making +> /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/mnt/linux/doc/bookvol1.dvi from > /home/tmgisi/axiom64/axiom.silver/axiom/src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > So obviously, at step 5 of > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom -> I chose the wrong sources. Would the golden one be the correct one then= -? +> I chose the wrong sources. Would the golden one be the correct one then? -At least I compiled axiom--main--1--patch-50 (which is the current Gold=20 +At least I compiled axiom--main--1--patch-50 (which is the current Gold version) exactly as described on -http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/AxiomSilverBranch (including = - +http://axiom.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/mathaction/AxiomSilverBranch (including the compilation of libaxiom.al. I haven't yet tried Silver. -Good luck -Ralf - - - - - - \start -To: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> -Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Jan 2007 17:53:38 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Christian Aistleitner +Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -"Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> writes: +Christian Aistleitner writes: [...] @@ -2651,43 +2416,27 @@ interaction with you because of faulty formatting commands). That is a known issue that was fixed a while ago -- at least in the build-improvements branch; I thought it was also fixed in the mainline. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: MathML package -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Arthur Ralfs Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:03:56 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: Re: MathML package Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007 =E0 22:38 -0800, Arthur Ralfs a =E9crit : -> Below is a package for producing presentation MathML. It's my first at= -tempt -> and based on Robert Sutor's TeXFomat domain. It's not finished but I w= -ould -> particularly appreciate if somebody else would be interested in testing= -=20 +> Below is a package for producing presentation MathML. It's my first attempt +> and based on Robert Sutor's TeXFomat domain. It's not finished but I would +> particularly appreciate if somebody else would be interested in testing > it and > letting me know what doesn't work. Can you resend your package in an attachment please, my MUA reformats long lines (same thing, apparently, in the mailing list archives). -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -To: list Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:39:42 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer Francois Maltey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -2814,27 +2563,18 @@ results. So the approach "simplify only when valid" may work only if you do not simplify fractions. And Axiom simplifies fractions when working with expressions... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:21:41 +0100 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> - - -Cc: list Hello Gaby, On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:53:38 +0100, Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> writes: +> Christian Aistleitner writes: > > [...] > @@ -2870,19 +2610,11 @@ thank you. I did not dare just to step over such issues, ... However, just ignoring the problem *sigh* allowed me to compile Axiom. Thank you. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:24:58 +0100 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Using Aldor compiler from within Axiom on amd64 -From: "Christian Aistleitner" <7z5rdpq@gmx.net> - - <459FBE92.7010009@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -2892,19 +2624,11 @@ Hello, with the other replies in this thread I managed to install both the current silver and the current gold sources. -Thank you, -Christian - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:42:10 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when - building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu Camm, @@ -2923,20 +2647,11 @@ Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test this "windows-only read patch"? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jan 2007 10:50:54 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when - building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu Greetings, and thanks so much! @@ -2972,7 +2687,7 @@ Take care, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -2990,30 +2705,12 @@ Take care, > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > this "windows-only read patch"? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:42:30 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: windows-only read patch (was: error in - ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Bill Page +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Camm, @@ -3025,13 +2722,6 @@ Regards, Bill Page. > -----Original Message----- -> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] -> Sent: January 11, 2007 10:51 AM -> To: Bill Page -> Cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org; list -> Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when -> building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu -> > > Greetings, and thanks so much! > @@ -3070,7 +2760,7 @@ Bill Page. > > > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Camm, > > @@ -3089,41 +2779,17 @@ Bill Page. > > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > > this "windows-only read patch"? -> > -> > Regards, -> > Bill Page. -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire -> Camm Maguire -> ============================================================== -> ============ -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> Baha'u'llah -> -> - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jan 2007 15:15:28 -0500 -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in - ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Camm, > @@ -3150,22 +2816,7 @@ you. I'd really be pleased if someone could try acl2 as well. Alas, due to email chaos, I seem to be disconnected from Vadim. -Take care, - - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> > > -----Original Message----- -> > From: Camm Maguire [mailto:Camm Maguire] -> > Sent: January 11, 2007 10:51 AM -> > To: Bill Page -> > Cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org; list -> > Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: error in ./configure when -> > building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu -> > -> > -> > Greetings, and thanks so much! > > > > Could you please try reverting: > > @@ -3202,7 +2853,7 @@ Take care, > > > > > > -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > > > Camm, > > > @@ -3221,50 +2872,17 @@ Take care, > > > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > > > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > > > this "windows-only read patch"? -> > > -> > > Regards, -> > > Bill Page. -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > -> > -- -> > Camm Maguire -> > Camm Maguire -> > ============================================================== -> > ============ -> > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> > Baha'u'llah -> > -> > -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:41:01 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Camm Maguire - <54y7o98gm7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read patch (was: - error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> Camm, >> @@ -3300,22 +2918,10 @@ be tested. GCL 2.6.8 CVS without aforementioned patch? Please, try -With best regards, - -Vadim - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:46:49 +0100 (CET) -From: Waldek Hebisch +From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Infinite loop computing Laplace transform I have looked at bug 101. At the end of LaplaceTransform.locallaplace @@ -3341,21 +2947,12 @@ ATM I am unable to find a function such that this fragment helps. OTOH the fragment is quite likely to cause infinite recursion so I consider disabling it. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 15 Jan 2007 18:55:17 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: PATCH to src/interp/ptrees.boot - -Hi, - There is a duplicate test for the data type used to implement the abstract syntax trees found in src/interp/ptrees.boot. This is a correction I would have liked to apply globally to @@ -3387,15 +2984,11 @@ build-improvement branch only. --- 286,293 ---- - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:33:35 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -To: guy.steele@sun.com, Tim Daly, list -Cc: -Subject: Mathematical Programming Languages with strong - typing +From: Tim Daly +To: Guy Steele +Subject: Mathematical Programming Languages with strong typing I've been reviewing your documents on Fortress. @@ -3403,17 +2996,10 @@ Have you seen Axiom (http://wiki.axiom-developer.org)? It already has some of the parameterized types as well as a very strong mathematical structure. -Tim Daly -Tim Daly - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:08:14 -0500 -From: Tim Daly -To: guy.steele@sun.com, Tim Daly, list -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: Guy Steele Subject: Parallelism in mathematical languages One thought about parallelism is that you've implicitly @@ -3503,38 +3089,21 @@ follow the standard model of serial programming. Under the assumption that this language is used for mathematics the proviso model is much more natural and powerful. -Tim Daly -Tim Daly - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:57:16 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: ncloopProcess - -Hi Tim, - Where is ncloopProcess defined? Brute force grep shows no match... -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:20:46 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: ncloopProcess > > Hi Tim, @@ -3555,19 +3124,11 @@ which in turn is only used in ncloopInclude which is unused. AFAICS this is part of "new" unfinished toplevel. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 16 Jan 2007 17:39:47 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 16 Jan 2007 17:39:47 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3600,18 +3161,12 @@ OK, thanks. We should probably have a list "open projects" consisting of unfinished "new" parts. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Jan 2007 20:18:01 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: sayMessage - Tim -- The function sayMessage appears to be defined at least in two locations: @@ -3621,21 +3176,15 @@ Tim -- which one should be considered the "true" definition? - [ also, the perspective is having many definitions, overriding or not, for same functions is seriously annoying when looking for information. ] --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: sayMessage -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:22:16 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: sayMessage > > Tim -- @@ -3673,93 +3222,72 @@ has finished), but ATM I am not sure if gains would justify effort. Fourth variant IMHO would only add confusion due to inconsistency. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: RE: ncloopProcess Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:45 +0100 -Thread-Topic: ncloopProcess -Thread-Index: Acc5x5VUqY72rnH4QEOU3vfN+CvbHQASyo4g -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: - FILETIME=[75D9B4E0:01C73A13] +From: Juergen Weiss +To: list +Subject: RE: ncloopProcess As far as I know, the nc functions are from the "New Compiler", which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the old compiler, which is the current SPAD compiler. This does not mean, that the functions might be used somewhere :-(. -Regards=20 +Regards Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:40 AM > To: Waldek Hebisch > Cc: list > Subject: Re: ncloopProcess ->=20 +> > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 -> | >=20 +> +> | > > | > Hi Tim, -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Where is ncloopProcess defined? -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Brute force grep shows no match... -> | >=20 -> |=20 +> | > +> | > | Lisp tells me that ncloopProcess is undefined: -> |=20 +> | > | )lisp (fboundp '|ncloopProcess|) -> |=20 -> | Value =3D NIL -> |=20 +> | +> | Value = NIL +> | > | Grepping shows that ncloopProcess is only used in ncloopInclude0 > | which in turn is only used in ncloopInclude which is unused. ->=20 +> > Thanks for concurring. ->=20 +> > I speculated, based on the missing definition, that ncloopInclude may -> be not be used at the moment. =20 ->=20 +> be not be used at the moment. +> > | AFAICS this is part of "new" unfinished toplevel. ->=20 -> OK, thanks. =20 ->=20 +> +> OK, thanks. +> > We should probably have a list "open projects" consisting of > unfinished "new" parts. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:23:00 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: Re: ncloopProcess -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | As far as I know, the nc functions are from the "New Compiler", | which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the old compiler, @@ -3774,28 +3302,18 @@ Hi Juergen, some point, but was removed? If yes, do you happen to remember what the reasons were? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: RE: ncloopProcess Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:52:45 +0100 -Thread-Topic: ncloopProcess -Thread-Index: Acc6Kc07K+y5hQFnSuG/WWpUtapuQAAAjXnQ -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis - FILETIME=[00C251B0:01C73A2E] -Cc: list +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: ncloopProcess Hi, I think, before 1990 someone wrote a new scratchpad compiler in lisp. It seems that it was not better than the old one. So the code was abandoned and the A#/Aldor compiler was developed -around 1990. Maybe Tim knows more details.=20 +around 1990. Maybe Tim knows more details. Regards @@ -3804,46 +3322,36 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu=20 -> [mailto:gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis +> From: Gabriel Dos Reis +> [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis] On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:23 PM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: list > Subject: Re: ncloopProcess ->=20 -> "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: ->=20 +> +> Juergen Weiss writes: +> > | As far as I know, the nc functions are from the "New Compiler", -> | which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the=20 +> | which does not exist anymore. It should have replaced the > old compiler, > | which is the current SPAD compiler. This does not mean, that the > | functions might be used somewhere :-(. -> |=20 -> | Regards=20 ->=20 +> | +> | Regards +> > Hi Juergen, ->=20 +> > You said "which does not exist anymore". Did you mean it existed at > some point, but was removed? If yes, do you happen to remember what > the reasons were? ->=20 -> Thanks! ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:06:49 -0500 -From: Guy Steele -To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <532978A4-7770-421B-AE4E-3ADE76A90DF4@sun.com> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +From: Guy Steele +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Parallelism in mathematical languages Thanks for your comments about Fortress and Axiom. @@ -3943,18 +3451,11 @@ On Jan 16, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > follow the standard model of serial programming. Under the > assumption that this language is used for mathematics the proviso > model is much more natural and powerful. -> -> Tim Daly -> Tim Daly -> - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:23:06 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) The problem here is that sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) give something @@ -3983,18 +3484,11 @@ values on branch cuts does not seem very useful. So I am tempted to declare that arguments branch cuts are errors (like divison by 0). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:53:32 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:53:32 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4030,15 +3524,11 @@ After all, this is a mathematical computational platform. If we go that way, how else can we expect other people to take branch cuts seriously? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -To: list Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:19 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list +Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) I wrote: > There is an easy workaround, put: @@ -4069,36 +3559,21 @@ real arguments are computed in "real way", we could easily get wrong results (starting from enexpected complex expressions to plain wrong). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Jan 2007 10:00:06 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: interpreter and with-expression - -Tim -- - The interpreter (in particular pf2Sex) does not handle category definitions (with-expression). Is that by design or an "unfinished" part? In case it is by design, what is the rationale? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:13:17 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Juergen Weiss, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: new compiler, ncloopProcess Scratchpad was a research project used by many people in @@ -4155,16 +3630,10 @@ things. This is not documented and not apparent. It was intended for use by the developers of axiom so they could debug their programs. Some of these ended up abandoned. -t - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:21:11 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: interpreter and with-expression > The interpreter (in particular pf2Sex) does not handle category @@ -4175,16 +3644,10 @@ interpreter level. Well, in theory it is since a category is simply a lisp expression, but in practice I don't think it works. Categories are a compile-time concept. -t - - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:33:28 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4217,17 +3680,11 @@ it really is confusing. I would like to know whether there are deep reasons for this, or whether it is because it was not finished. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:35:30 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4271,18 +3728,11 @@ can fully anayze roundoff) can use values on branch cuts. But even then, it may well turn out (as is in our case) that the values in not the needed one. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:50:27 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -4322,18 +3772,11 @@ to "compile" the type. In principle interpreter could transparently pass the definition to the compiler, but IMHO differences in interpreter and compiler language would destroy the illusion. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:51:16 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4397,16 +3840,11 @@ http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/240000/235703/p21-patton.pdf?key1=235703&key2=48 http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/240000/235704/p25-rich.pdf?key1=235704&key2=9722509611&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=9284552&CFTOKEN=77401299 --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:54:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4460,15 +3898,11 @@ Of course. So? Now, please do nail down those differences and and let see why they are any useful in the specific issue at hand. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 18:25:03 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: list Subject: Re: Bug 215: sin asin(7.0::COMPLEX FLOAT) -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 18:25:03 +0100 Hi Waldek and all ! @@ -4545,14 +3979,11 @@ Today my students noticed that I write log and not ln on the blackboard. You understand why ! French stuents dislike, but what is the international function name. - - \start -Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:50:18 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4584,18 +4015,11 @@ Concerning differences, a little one which probably has no useful justification: compiler accepts "until" keyword, but this keyword is absent in the interpreter. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 20:10:37 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 20:10:37 +0100 -Cc: list Dear all, @@ -4633,16 +4057,11 @@ Martin Looking at the aldor interpreter (where both is possible), it seems that it is quite difficult. It is the bit where I experienced most segfaults... - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression - <9q4pqpeafm.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -4660,16 +4079,11 @@ make it available in the working space -- as opposed to allowing the definition at the interpreter level and process (almost) exactly the same way? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:38:58 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4682,15 +4096,10 @@ where "until" seems indeed missing. I don't know whether that is by design or a bug. Note that that "new parser" is also intended to be used by the "new compiler". --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:00:24 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: interpreter and with-expression > What is the difference between putting that definition in a file @@ -4699,16 +4108,10 @@ Subject: interpreter and with-expression The interpreter does not have the treewalking machinery to dynamically construct and use a category. The compiler does. -t - - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:19:09 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: interpreter and with-expression On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4727,16 +4130,11 @@ On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 Tim Daly wrote: and has the compiler does the construction and loads the resulting object. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:20:35 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:20:35 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -4787,17 +4185,11 @@ and I expect to have a smaller axiom, but a consistent system. Please, give me some advices ! -Francois - - - \start +Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:38:41 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression - -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 17 Jan 2007 22:38:41 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Gabriel, @@ -4812,17 +4204,11 @@ map (f +-> f(55), [t +-> t+1, t +-> t+2])-- doesn't work, I must sign it Do you have any information about the anonymous functions. -Francois (again) - - - \start Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:01:15 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Francois Maltey Subject: re: interpreter and with-expression - <874pqpxrj2.fsf@nerim.fr> -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Francois Maltey wrote: @@ -4850,16 +4236,11 @@ So far, I only have documentation for But, I'll definitely look into the anonymous functions. Thanks for providing the test case. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 18 Jan 2007 22:44:49 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Zero divisors in Expression Integer -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 18 Jan 2007 22:44:49 +0100 -Cc: list Hello Waldek, @@ -4891,13 +4272,9 @@ In this case I'm not sure. The Question remains. -Francois - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:27 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: axiom/aldor oddities @@ -4946,23 +4323,17 @@ Integer what am I missing here? -thanks, -Franz - - - \start -To: Franz Lehner -Subject: Re: axiom/aldor oddities -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Jan 2007 13:57:40 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: axiom/aldor oddities Dear Franz, I can only guess... -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: > ---BEGIN strange.as > #include "axiom" @@ -5007,79 +4378,42 @@ tfpi1(d:Polynomial Integer,n:PositiveInteger): Fraction Polynomial Integer == { d/(factorial(n::Integer)^2)::(Polynomial Integer); } -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:24:37 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc7pPJZBpuvT9PAQLqXHtK17bZwSgAKC+Yg +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: FW: Axiom is an open source math project - - -----Original Message----- -From: Francesco Montorsi [mailto:f18m_cpp217828@yahoo.it]=20 -Sent: January 19, 2007 3:36 AM -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: Axiom is an open source math project - +From: Francesco Montorsi Bill Page ha scritto: > Dear MathStudio Webmaster, ->=20 +> > You wrote: "if you find other good links, please email them to the > webmaster." ->=20 +> > See: ->=20 +> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org ->=20 -> Axiom is a general purpose system for doing mathematics by computer. = -It -> is especially useful for symbolic calculations, mathematical research = -and -> for the development of new mathematical algorithms. Axiom has a = -strongly- -> typed high-level programming language for expressing abstract = -mathematical -> concepts. Over 1,000 mathematical domains and categories are collected = -in +> +> Axiom is a general purpose system for doing mathematics by computer. It +> is especially useful for symbolic calculations, mathematical research and +> for the development of new mathematical algorithms. Axiom has a strongly- +> typed high-level programming language for expressing abstract mathematical +> concepts. Over 1,000 mathematical domains and categories are collected in > the Axiom Library. ... ->=20 +> > Please list Axiom on your web page at ->=20 +> > http://mathstudio.sourceforge.net/links.shtml done, thanks! -Francesco - ---=20 - - - - - -Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale!=20 - http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com=20 - - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:04:04 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Martin Rubey, - axiom-dev , lehner@finanz.math.tu-graz.ac.at +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: axiom/aldor oddities - <9qfya72myj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Hello, @@ -5091,7 +4425,7 @@ On 01/19/2007 01:57 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > > I can only guess... > -> Franz Lehner writes: +> Franz Lehner writes: > >> ---BEGIN strange.as >> #include "axiom" @@ -5163,20 +4497,12 @@ Integer == { It is never bad to add a bit of redundancy (namely the types). It's easier for humans and it helps the compiler. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:55:06 -0600 -From: TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org - boundary="----=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975" -Cc: list +From: Jaroslov Rosenberger +To: list Subject: Problems with compiler::link -------=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975 - The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error: @@ -5189,31 +4515,19 @@ SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6 & cheers, -Jacob S. -------=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975 - -The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error:

>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6  & /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0) -

cheers,
-Jacob S.


- -------=_Part_31167_9070489.1169243706975-- - - - \start Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:04:21 -0600 -From: TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org - boundary="----=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823" -Cc: list +From: Jaroslov Rosenberger +To: list Subject: Re: Problems with compiler::link -------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823 Appears to be solved by installing dev-versions of gmp, gcl, X11, readline, etc. These install the correct links for development. -Jacob S. -On 1/19/07, TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: +On 1/19/07, Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: > > The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh > checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error: @@ -5223,31 +4537,11 @@ On 1/19/07, TheChao Jaroslov Rosenberger wrote: > > SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6 & > /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0) -> -> cheers, -> -Jacob S. -> -> -> - -------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823 - -Appears to be solved by installing dev-versions of gmp, gcl, X11, readline, etc. These install the correct links for development.

-Jacob S.

On 1/19/07, -TheChao <Jaroslov Rosenberger> wrote:
-The platform is Ubuntu Edgy Eft 6.10. I attempted to build a fresh checkout of build-improvements. It fails with the following error:

>/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

-SM is available on the system (/usr/lib/libSM.so.6  & /usr/lib/libSM.so.6.0.0) -

cheers,
-Jacob S.


- -

- -------=_Part_31244_21030279.1169244261823-- - - \start -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:05:41 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: breakmode handling bug ? Hello, @@ -5299,16 +4593,11 @@ Greg PS : To test it issue a ')set break query' followed by a ')lisp ub' for example. - - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:43:26 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? > Hello, > @@ -5344,60 +4633,52 @@ continue Processing will continue where it was interrupted. (1) -> --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:57:35 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? Le samedi 20 janvier 2007 =E0 13:43 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Hello, -> >=20 +> > > > It is possible in Axiom to modify its behavior when an error is > > encountered via -> >=20 +> > > > )set break something -> >=20 -> > But if you set it to 'query', Axiom will ask you if you want to retur= -n +> > +> > But if you set it to 'query', Axiom will ask you if you want to return > > to top level or enter a Lisp break loop. What I find strange is that > > this not what Axiom has to do. The code is (g-error.boot): -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Could you give more detail on what Axiom is doing for you and what > it to do. For me it works as follows (both the old release and > newest wh-sandbox): ->=20 +> > (1) -> )set break query > (1) -> 1/0 ->=20 +> > >> Error detected within library code: > division by zero ->=20 +> > protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) ->=20 +> > You have three options. Enter: > continue to continue processing, > top to return to top level, or > break to enter a LISP break loop. ->=20 +> > Please enter your choice now: > continue > Processing will continue where it was interrupted. -> (1) ->=20 +> (1) -> You version seems to correctly handle the piece of code I sent. I have only two choices: (1) -> 1/0 -=20 + >> Error detected within library code: division by zero @@ -5408,27 +4689,18 @@ only two choices: Please enter your choice now: top -(1) ->=20 +(1) -> It's is on the x86_64 arch. I can reproduce this with gold, build-improvements and an old one (from Debian). Anyone who has a x86_64 version of GCL/Axiom can test this ? -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -To: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:23:02 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? > You version seems to correctly handle the piece of code I sent. I have > only two choices: @@ -5458,31 +4730,24 @@ a Debian and uses system gcl, another one uses gcl-2.6.7 build separately from sources (I do not use bundled gcl to save build time). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? -From: Vanuxem Gregory Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:14:28 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: breakmode handling bug ? Le samedi 20 janvier 2007 =E0 19:23 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > It's is on the x86_64 arch. I can reproduce this with gold, > > build-improvements and an old one (from Debian). -> >=20 +> > > > Anyone who has a x86_64 version of GCL/Axiom can test this ? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I use x86_64. My Axiom is based on gcl-2.6.7. One machine is > a Debian and uses system gcl, another one uses gcl-2.6.7 build > separately from sources (I do not use bundled gcl to save build > time). ->=20 +> Hmm... I don't like that... @@ -5490,9 +4755,9 @@ Thanks, Greg -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +=============== Linux ellipse 2.6.19.1 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jan 8 18:08:50 CET 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ dpkg -l libc6 @@ -5503,19 +4768,11 @@ GCL-2.6.7 and 2.6.8pre Debian (testing) - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Vanuxem Gregory'" Gregory Vanuxem, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: breakmode handling bug ? Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:14:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc8vHgcLCzcJ6jzQ8GdADLY/ty6YgACWIMg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: breakmode handling bug ? On January 20, 2007 12:58 PM Vanuxem Gregory wrote: > I have only two choices: @@ -5543,19 +4800,10 @@ build-improvements with included gcl-2.6.8pre) and the much older Windows version (based on gcl-2.6.5, I think) both work as expected and show 3 options. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:24:12 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <45B43C6C.7050101@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: retrieving axiom commands Is it possible to retrieve axiom commands? @@ -5563,18 +4811,11 @@ i.e. if I type in integrate(x**2,x) can I then get that command back rather than the output from the command? -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: retrieving axiom commands Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:51:40 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc93TDZ79a/VlUoT2y2lX4Jmqx0+wAV32GA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: retrieving axiom commands On January 21, 2007 11:24 PM Arthur Ralfs asked: > @@ -5590,20 +4831,11 @@ Try the command: Is that what you want? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:38:52 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands To: list -Message-id: <45B53CFC.3060405@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 +Subject: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands I want to retrieve the command from within spad code, not from the command line @@ -5615,27 +4847,12 @@ Arthur Ralfs wrote: > i.e. if I type in integrate(x**2,x) can I then get > that command back rather than the output from > the command? -> -> Arthur Ralfs -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:33:47 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc+dnX+B86t70sqSy+B2reEPWHi1QAjXaIg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands On January 22, 2007 5:39 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: > @@ -5701,22 +4918,11 @@ CommandLine(): Exports == Implementation where Type: String -Does that help? - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:55:45 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands To: list -Message-id: <45B6D8C1.6060405@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 +Subject: Re: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands Bill Page wrote: > On January 22, 2007 5:39 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: @@ -5795,18 +5001,11 @@ Thank you, that's very helpful, although it turns out that $internalHistoryTable has the information I need, rather than $currentLine. -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:32:53 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acc/a8CtSBfWTxGETIKfDxquQ1TntQAW1kog -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: clarification Re: retrieving axiom commands On January 23, 2007 10:56 PM Arthur Ralfs > @@ -5858,22 +5057,12 @@ See also Of course, this depends on exactly what and when you want to do what you want to do. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:45:24 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdBO/fSc5AFA0xOR8aOFJuRYNG31wAHptkg -Cc: list, 'Wiesner Thomas' -Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] How to expand a fraction (like - Maple does with'expand')? +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: How to expand a fraction (like Maple does with'expand')? +Cc: Thomas Wiesner Martin, @@ -6089,24 +5278,16 @@ is in Maple, but one still has the "feeling" that one is actively operating a some underlying internal representation in a transparent and effective manner. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jan 2007 17:42:48 +0100 -Cc: 'Wiesner Thomas' , list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] How to expand a fraction (like - Maple does with'expand')? +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: How to expand a fraction (like Maple does with'expand')? +Cc: Thomas Wiesner Dear Bill, *, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > * "expand" as provided by Maple, Mathematica, etc., is mainly about output, > > the internal representation doesn't matter too much there. It can be @@ -6233,17 +5414,12 @@ Consider: easily corrected. Currently it assumes that specializing does not affect factorization) -Martin - - - - \start -To: list Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:59:10 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: thomas@bau-konform.at +To: list Subject: Re: How to expand a fraction +Cc: Thomas Wiesner Wiesner Thomas wrote: @@ -6308,21 +5484,12 @@ Some remarks: little about box operator, but I suspect that it main intended use was _not_ to control printing. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: How to expand a fraction Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:50:21 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdBrmNVWwm6lABXQAi9gMF88SKD1AAEX1Qg -Cc: list, thomas@bau-konform.at +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: How to expand a fraction +Cc: Thomas Wiesner On January 26, 2007 7:59 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -6484,21 +5651,11 @@ the manipulation of members of the Expression domain in (more or less) the manner which you demonstrated. That his affects how expressions are printed seems to me to be a natural consequence. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:39:02 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: -Subject: - browser front end, statement of plans and progress +Subject: browser front end, statement of plans and progress I've been looking deeply into the problem of using a web browser as the front end for axiom. There are 3 components: @@ -6612,22 +5769,13 @@ Problem 4 is to move on to making the front end and back end reflect the crystal/facet design. More about that when the first 3 parts begin to work. - - - Design suggestions and discussion are welcome. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:14:04 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and - progress -Cc: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Hello Tim, @@ -6677,19 +5825,11 @@ Since you want to bring the documentation to html, what do you expect as the input? If hyperdoc goes away, I probably guess rightly, that you also want to remove hypertex, right? -[snip] - -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -To: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:14:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress > I've been looking deeply into the problem of using a web browser > as the front end for axiom. There are 3 components: @@ -6781,19 +5921,11 @@ If current format in inconvenient it is Axiom book which should be recoded. For Web access we need a translator which converts our format to HTML. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:32:02 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and - progress -Cc: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Tim Daly wrote: > I've been looking deeply into the problem of using a web browser @@ -6934,18 +6066,11 @@ To conclude: I think TeXmacs should become an official front-end for Axiom. If a browser front-end is an inevitable evil in our age, TeXmacs should become an official front-end number 2. -Best wishes and many thanks, -Andrey - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jan 2007 02:36:18 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6982,18 +6107,11 @@ and so is FLTK I'm not quit convinced yet that the idea of removing the all the C codes from Axiom is a good idea. --- Gaby - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Jan 2007 10:13:13 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Dear Tim, @@ -7133,24 +6251,14 @@ excellent example! I dislike C and like Lisp, too. But I have the feeling that throwing away C code should not be a goal per se. - - I very much hope that I could make my concerns understood. -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Jan 2007 10:30:20 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Boot and Lisp for Axiom implementation - -Hi, - I see that there has been some effort invested in rewriting the Boot codes in Lisp. I believe that is a fundamental mistake. Even though Boot is a syntactic sugar over Lisp, it apears through @@ -7159,16 +6267,11 @@ students get quickly their mind wrapped around the Boot code than the Lisp equivalent; mostly -- I suspect -- because of the structural pattern matching, and structured Boot operators. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:06:01 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: sayMessage -Cc: list On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7198,16 +6301,11 @@ at least as many grammars (not always in sync). And least twice parse tree processors. That is recipe for confusion. We should aim for decreasing duplications. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: sayMessage -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:48:43 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: sayMessage Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7237,18 +6335,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Could you elaborate? I do not understand how fboundp and GCL autoload can help for Aldor translator problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 27 Jan 2007 15:46:14 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: sayMessage -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Jan 2007 15:46:14 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -7301,20 +6392,11 @@ is effectively loaded, and if not load it. (3) -> null? FBOUNDP('parseTransform)$Lisp (3) false Type: Boolean - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:16:36 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdB82T1+jQjdlQ+RieHAdEnCgWyrwAms4qw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 27, 2007 4:13 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -7375,20 +6457,11 @@ documentation issues that are very close in spirit to the work done by Ralf Hemmecke in ALLPROSE although with very different tools. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:27:48 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: -Subject: - browser front end, statement of plans and progress +Subject: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Interesting set of replies. @@ -7406,9 +6479,6 @@ that allows us to use existing tools. Failing that we could probably dynamically generate API documentation at compile time that would be properly hyperlinked and easy to display. - - - Waldek says: "X11 problem should be easy to solve..." except that it is not. I have experimented with making the graphics and hyperdoc run on windows, freebsd, and @@ -7461,9 +6531,6 @@ Plus it is a one-of-a-kind language which limits the number of likely authors. Since writing documentation is vital this is a huge limitation. - - - Andrey suggests that TeXmacs "...is a better alternative than using a browser as a front-end...". I agree with this in theory but I'm not sure it holds up in practice. TeXmacs has limitations (e.g. @@ -7544,10 +6611,6 @@ as I learn more. "...TeXmacs is free and available for all platforms..." but so is Firefox. - - - - Gaby writes "Qt is available under windows". There are several approaches I've looked at in terms of portable graphics code. The most promising approach was to use Tcl/TK. We had a bit of @@ -7562,10 +6625,6 @@ an X11 emulation program on the MS window for X11. I've been experimenting with different systems for the past year and none of them have been sufficient, although it was a great learning experience. - - - - Martin writes: "...Ralf has written an excellent environment for literate programs...". Yes, he showed it to me in France and I'm really quite impressed. I'm not sure what this has to do with @@ -7600,11 +6659,6 @@ Supposedly noweb will also generate html. There are many migration paths to think about and explore. If I knew the answers I'd be writing production code rather than these many throw-away experiments. - - - - - Bill Page writes "...I think you should not be overly concerned about Tim's proposal since it seems to me that there is near zero likelihood that any of this work will be completed...". ummm, ok. @@ -7633,29 +6687,13 @@ TeXmacs. I'd bet you do not. to be used both "natively"..." and from this you conclude that having a browser front end to Axiom is mis-directed? - - - Anyway, thank you all for the feedback. -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Jan 2007 11:43:03 +0100 -Cc: list - -Dear Tim, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress Tim Daly writes: @@ -7790,22 +6828,11 @@ ask for it. What? I thought noweb simply extracts code and documentation, thus preparing for LaTeX / TeX and Aldor / SPAD / C / Perl / whatever ? - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:01:57 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdCti0CB9dwos8sQNWBSc0H0hb6GwAc1Pbg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 28, 2007 3:28 AM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -7905,23 +6932,11 @@ how you actually spend your time. Anyway I think you have already done the greatest possible service just by making Axiom available as open source. What's next is up to all of us. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:06:29 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress - <00be01c7435a$3f981e80$0301010a@asus> -Cc: list - -Hi Bill, +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress > No I am still very much also in favour of the type of browser front > end for Axiom that Kai Kaminski worked on almost two years ago. @@ -7978,18 +6993,11 @@ to allow literate programming, so it feels natural writing a pamphlet inside of it, without loosing the features provided by the IDE or other plugins (auto compiling, class browser, etc). - - \start -To: list -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress - <00be01c7435a$3f981e80$0301010a@asus> - -From: Francois Maltey Date: 29 Jan 2007 11:18:19 +0100 - -Dear all, +From: Francois Maltey +To: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress I use axiom in a emacs with an axiom-mode which accepts multilines commands in automatics temporary files, @@ -8024,17 +7032,11 @@ curves in the same window. I can't do Have a nice day ! -F. - - - \start Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:35:28 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and - progress -Cc: list +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Tim Daly wrote: > "...TeXmacs can do everything hyperdoc does"? Really? Not that @@ -8083,20 +7085,11 @@ it would be a shame to re-implement a small fraction of their functionality instead of just using them. And Axiom will just prepare data files for them. They are all free, and available on many platforms. -Andrey - - - \start Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:03:27 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress +Subject: Re: browser front end, statement of plans and progress To: Andrey G. Grozin -Cc: list - - ---- Andrey G. Grozin wrote: > I started to do it some time ago (not recently, don't remember > exactly when). I only needed a little help. I posted some questions @@ -8106,27 +7099,11 @@ Cc: list Could you re-post the questions? It sounds like now might be a good time to revisit those questions and see if we can get you some answers. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:04:24 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdDYz29Nhiz42gPSl2KYALk6RWSOwAW2jHQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 29, 2007 12:06 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: > ... @@ -8147,22 +7124,11 @@ http://sage-notebook.axiom-developer.org/axiom Agreed. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey -Subject: RE: browser front end, - statement of plans and progress Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:42 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdDjtTr25W3Y39hSIusuUhXdr9MnAAMFMqg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: RE: browser front end, statement of plans and progress On January 29, 2007 5:18 AM Francois Maltey wrote: > ... @@ -8183,19 +7149,10 @@ people will see your changes. I would be happy to answer any questions you have. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:12:40 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Andrey G. Grozin - -Cc: list Subject: TeXmacs and Graphics Andrey G. Grozin wrote: diff --git a/book/2007-02.txt b/book/2007-02.txt index 1005c30..2f47440 100644 --- a/book/2007-02.txt +++ b/book/2007-02.txt @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ \start -To: list Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:15:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Asq rewritten There were many plans to rewrite various parts of Axiom. I decided @@ -26,18 +26,11 @@ I have written also completly new (short) documentation. P.S. I just commited the new asq to wh-sandbox. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 01 Feb 2007 09:23:22 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Asq rewritten -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Feb 2007 09:23:22 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -174,19 +167,11 @@ ostream`1`x`(Generator(T))->_$`dDataStream(T)``\begin{adusage} T == Integer It is a mystery to me how Ralf did the linking magic. Maybe he or the combinat.aux file can help... - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:10:37 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Asq rewritten - <9qlkji8ex1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list I think I have to reply to Martin's mail. @@ -257,17 +242,11 @@ where \addefinetype is. The definition of \addefinetype and \adtype basically use commands from the hyperref LaTeX package and add some indexing and color information. That is not too much magic. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 04:39:39 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -289,17 +268,11 @@ as co-author as opposed to replacing the existing author, even if you have rewritten it. If this were a separate new program not building on previous ideas, I would that it is OK. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 01 Feb 2007 04:55:07 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Asq rewritten - <9qlkji8ex1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <45C1AE8D.3080305@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Feb 2007 04:55:07 -0600 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -324,17 +297,11 @@ Something betwen the "parse forms" and the internal AST that is fed to compTopLevel for example, but that retained just about anything. The new format is of course in addition to the existing ones. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:34:53 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -381,19 +348,12 @@ I think it is proper to have acknowledgement line like: (the exact wording may be different). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:11:14 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> I believe the conventional wisdom would suggest that you add your name >> as co-author as opposed to replacing the existing author, even if you @@ -435,17 +395,11 @@ replace Tim's asq. I think that Tim has already stated it before: respect. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:54:15 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -498,17 +452,11 @@ it has been *completely* rewritten from scratch, with readically different ideas. Nonetheless, the authorship displays the people who did not "directly" contribute to the new program in any form. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:04:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -608,19 +556,11 @@ found surprising similarities between some parts of gcc-1.35 and parts of gcc-4.1.1 -- after many edits code looks very different, but clearly is still the same code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:24:16 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -732,17 +672,11 @@ section that traces the history of asq.c. It would be very interesting to see which portions of which files you look at. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:20:40 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -856,19 +790,11 @@ influenced by original author (and in many cases this influence can be seen). I feel that "start from scratch" rewrite is quite different. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:03:47 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -951,18 +877,11 @@ I'm not sure. People contributing new components get their names in. Others, such as Richard Henderson, are so universally recognized that they don't think they need to put down their names :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -1026,25 +945,12 @@ parts of the code to claim primary authorship.) Imperfect ideas I'm sure, but maybe someone else has something better to suggest? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:18:43 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: axiom: [426] branches/wh-sandbox - <388855.60362.qm@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > One thought might be to include certain "metadata" in the chunck > structure which could be used to automatically add citations and @@ -1069,11 +975,9 @@ errors, modify or add, you should leave the old code as not used chunk and add the new code explaining how it improves the old code, and it serves like Gaby said to keep a history of the changes. - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:31:29 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: authorship @@ -1081,15 +985,11 @@ I really hate to enter this debate because, apparently I'm at the center of it. But there has been a policy of authorship and credit in Axiom, although I probably never stated it clearly in one place. - - I've held forth on the subject of authorship and/or credit in Axiom before, for instance, - - Being a second-string academic all my life I've had a great deal of experience with the topic, not all good. @@ -1118,9 +1018,6 @@ dollar of the cash. Such events, no matter how well rationalized, always feel wrong. - - - I joined the scratchpad project and a few years later it was to be sold. I spent time over several months trying to dig up the name of everyone associated with the project. I put their name on the @@ -1169,22 +1066,10 @@ As a matter of (my) policy it has been the case that the most liberal guidelines were used for authorship and credit. I believe this tradition should continue. -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:25:18 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdFRGeBttMAuD2oSsOogslr101oFQBM0kcg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey Subject: RE: Tests of sage. Francois, @@ -1272,18 +1157,11 @@ sure that the 'axiom4sage-0.1.spkg' that is used on the Sage server was built using gcl with readline disabled. I will check this and get back to you. ----- - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: authorship -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:03:29 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: authorship Tim Daly wrote: > When considering the issue of authorship and credit ask yourself what @@ -1353,20 +1231,11 @@ and http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00008.html - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:23:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [427] - branches/wh-sandbox +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [427] branches/wh-sandbox > On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -1396,19 +1265,11 @@ diff -ru --exclude=.svn wh-sandbox2/src/interp/setq.lisp.pamphlet ../wh-sandbox2 ;; $SYSCOMMANDS is now defined at the top of i-syscmd.boot - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 02 Feb 2007 10:13:28 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: authorship -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Feb 2007 10:13:28 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -1422,15 +1283,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I'm sorry to say it this way: this is getting insane. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:57:04 -0600 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: authorship Well, I've been reasonably clear about what I believe the Axiom @@ -1459,15 +1315,10 @@ anything until it was mentioned. I do my best not to "own" programs or keep emotional attachments to them, both of which tend to cause friction in the open source model. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:40:24 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: authorship > Well, I've been reasonably clear about what I believe the Axiom @@ -1487,16 +1338,10 @@ Subject: Re: authorship OK, so I am now putting the above in wh-sandbox version. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:13:58 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: series2.output Hello, @@ -1506,33 +1351,19 @@ series2.input, which is in src/input ? I have a problem with GCL, so I tested under Windows where this problem doesn't seem present but I need to be sure of these results. -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:22:24 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: series2.output Forget my request... There is MathAction :-) -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:37:40 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: series2.output There is a apparently a problem in the Build-improvements branch or may be in GCL, I have no idea (I can reproduce the following on MathAction @@ -1569,18 +1400,11 @@ Build-improvements: etc... (see series2.input) -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:05:52 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: series2.output > There is a apparently a problem in the Build-improvements branch or may > be in GCL, I have no idea (I can reproduce the following on MathAction @@ -1620,67 +1444,60 @@ AFAICS this is bug 312 in action. This bug appeared as a byproduct of fix for bug 63. Igor Khavkine found the wrong place and proposed a fix, wh-sandbox contains slightly different fix. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: series2.output -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:31:53 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: series2.output -Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 18:05 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 18:05 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > There is a apparently a problem in the Build-improvements branch or m= ay > > be in GCL, I have no idea (I can reproduce the following on MathActio= n > > (build-improvements)): -> >=20 -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +> > +> > ======================== +========================== +======================= > > Gold: -> >=20 -> > (2) -> f:=3Dtaylor(1-x^2) -> >=20 +> > +> > (2) -> f:=taylor(1-x^2) +> > > > 2 > > (2) 1 - x > > Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Expression Integer,x,= 0) > > (3) -> sin asin f -> >=20 +> > > > 2 11 > > (3) 1 - x + O(x ) -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +> > ======================== +========================== +======================== > > Build-improvements: -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> > (11) -> f:=3Dtaylor(1-x^2) -> >=20 +> > ======================== +========================== +======================== +> > (11) -> f:=taylor(1-x^2) +> > > > 2 > > (11) 1 - x > > Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Expression Integer,x,0= ) -> >=20 +> > > > (12) -> sin asin f -> >=20 +> > > > 1 4 1 6 7 8 5 10 11 > > (12) 1 - - x - -- x - --- x - ---- x + O(x ) > > 4 16 768 3072 > > Type: UnivariateTaylorSeries(Expression Integer,x,0= ) -> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> >=20 ->=20 +> > ======================== +========================== +======================== +> > +> > AFAICS this is bug 312 in action. This bug appeared as a byproduct > of fix for bug 63. Igor Khavkine found the wrong place and proposed > a fix, wh-sandbox contains slightly different fix. @@ -1688,20 +1505,10 @@ n Yes you're right, my version of Gold contains the Igor Kahvkine's patch. Will look in your patches (on my BIG TODO list). -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 From: William Sit To: list -Message-id: <45C4F395.D6E8ED98@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows I was trying to solve a homogeneous parametric linear system @@ -1761,26 +1568,11 @@ Can any one tell me how to increase the space? Exactly how big is one page? I have 2GB RAM. Is it possible to allocate the max to Axiom (under Windows XP)? -Thanks. - -William - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -To: list Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:02:13 -0500 +From: William Sit +To: list +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 William Sit wrote: @@ -1810,16 +1602,11 @@ Use ALLOCATE to expand the space. protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) -William - - - \start -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -To: William Sit Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:25:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows William Sit wrote: > >> System error: @@ -1842,20 +1629,13 @@ gcl). Using gcl 2.6.8 I can give bigger values. Typically page means 4 kilobytes, that would agree with process size (empty Axiom about 80 Mb, around 900 Mb after allocating 200000 pages). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: William Sit Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 22:39:05 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows -Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit : > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:57 -0500 > William Sit wrote: > > >> System error: @@ -1863,11 +1643,11 @@ Le samedi 03 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 16:02 -0500, William Sit a =E9crit :=20 > >Currently, 82689 pages are allocated. > >Use ALLOCATE to expand the space. > > -> >Can any one tell me how to increase the space? Exactly=20 +> >Can any one tell me how to increase the space? Exactly > >how > >big is one page? -4096 bytes (1 << 12)=20 +4096 bytes (1 << 12) )lis (room) will tell you the number of page availables. This is fixed at compile time so if you have compiled with the default options you'll @@ -2041,7 +1821,7 @@ Random documentation (under LGPL I think): -- Variable: *LISP-MAXPAGES* Package:SI GCL specific: Holds the maximum number of pages (1 page - =3D 2048 bytes) for the GCL process. The result of changing the + = 2048 bytes) for the GCL process. The result of changing the value of SI:*LISP-MAXPAGES* is unpredictable. -- Variable: *MULTIPLY-STACKS* @@ -2095,46 +1875,30 @@ Random documentation (under LGPL I think): values, but not make any changes. -> I have 2GB RAM. Is it possible to=20 +> I have 2GB RAM. Is it possible to > >allocate > >the max to Axiom (under Windows XP)? > > -> Let me add that on my system, the XP OS normally used=20 -> about under 800 MB with multiple programs open. When Axiom=20 -> started the CPU monitor shows 770MB and when the command=20 -> psolve(amat) started, the memory usage rose all the way to=20 -> about 1.20 GB and then quit. So there is plenty of=20 -> physical RAM left (not to mention virtual RAM). I repeated=20 +> Let me add that on my system, the XP OS normally used +> about under 800 MB with multiple programs open. When Axiom +> started the CPU monitor shows 770MB and when the command +> psolve(amat) started, the memory usage rose all the way to +> about 1.20 GB and then quit. So there is plenty of +> physical RAM left (not to mention virtual RAM). I repeated > this and Axiom aborted with: ->=20 +> > >> System error: > The storage for CONS is exhausted. > Currently, 97956 pages are allocated. > Use ALLOCATE to expand the space. ->=20 +> > protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) ->=20 -> William ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:08:03 -0500 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows To: Waldek Hebisch -Message-id: <45C5A273.6AFB5448@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: How to allocate more space for Axiom on Windows Thanks, Waldek. I tried as you suggested; the allocate produces a system error unless I use a very small number. Nonetheless, the CONS type space @@ -2324,27 +2088,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch wrote: > gcl). Using gcl 2.6.8 I can give bigger values. Typically page > means 4 kilobytes, that would agree with process size (empty Axiom > about 80 Mb, around 900 Mb after allocating 200000 pages). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:04:40 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Can you depend on it? It's 5 a.m. on a sunday morning and I can't sleep because I'm @@ -2591,18 +2339,11 @@ Because we're doing mathematics. Because we're doing it for people to understand. Because Axiom's life depends on it. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 04 Feb 2007 14:43:26 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Can you depend on it? -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Feb 2007 14:43:26 +0100 -Cc: list - -Dear Tim, I agree with many things you write, save two: @@ -2677,19 +2418,11 @@ Some problem for ADE's, i.e., equations of the form p(1, z(x), z'(x), z''(x), ...) = 0, p polynomial with coefficients in K[x]? - - - - \start Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 06:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: Can you depend on it? -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: - - ---- Tim Daly wrote: > Ah, that's the question for today...."Can people depend on it?". > @@ -2832,24 +2565,10 @@ mathematics but proof logic as well (plus high energy physics, for this problem domain), and how to make all of them interact. Which reminds me, I have some reading to do... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start -To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 19:13:49 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Subject: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Dear Bill, @@ -2860,20 +2579,10 @@ furthermore, it seems that the mirror at risc is not really up to date. By the way, if I make changes at the mirror at risc, I guess they are not applied to the main site, are they? I.e., after one update, they get lost? -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:17:15 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdIiDs9p1pwnYkJTNayylmZK/p1LwACBp1Q -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Martin, @@ -2906,21 +2615,11 @@ at the risc site are not automatically applied at the main site but there is a simple process to transfer pages from one site to another. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:32:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdIiDs9p1pwnYkJTNayylmZK/p1LwACBp1QAABcNrA= -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? Ok, problem solved. @@ -2971,21 +2670,14 @@ On February 4, 2007 2:17 PM I wrote: > http://axiom-developer.org:8080/mathaction/FrontPage > > I will let you know when the problem with Apache is fixed. -> - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? / - money -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 20:54:16 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: MathAction down - mirror not up to date? / money -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Ok, problem solved. > @@ -3006,17 +2698,10 @@ Great! Thank you! Definitively. I'll keep it in mind. -Martin - - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 21:28:08 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: messages in wh-sandbox Dear Waldek, @@ -3031,20 +2716,12 @@ Lookup coerce ((OutputForm) $) in wh-sandbox? -thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:03:17 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Cc: billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 +Cc: Bill Page Waldek, et al. @@ -3079,7 +2756,7 @@ ized in this function /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dproject3d.c +--tangle --output=project3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/project3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3091,7 +2768,7 @@ d.o project3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dquitbut3d.c +--tangle --output=quitbut3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/quitbut3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3103,7 +2780,7 @@ d.o quitbut3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dquit3d.c +--tangle --output=quit3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/quit3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3114,7 +2791,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE quit3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dsave3d.c +--tangle --output=save3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/save3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3125,7 +2802,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE save3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dsavebut3d.c +--tangle --output=savebut3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/savebut3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3137,7 +2814,7 @@ d.o savebut3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3DsmoothShade3d.c +--tangle --output=smoothShade3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/smoothShade3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3148,7 +2825,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE smoothShade3d.o smoothShade3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3DspadAction3d.c +--tangle --output=spadAction3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/spadAction3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3159,7 +2836,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE spadAction3d.o spadAction3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dstuff3d.c +--tangle --output=stuff3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/stuff3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3174,7 +2851,7 @@ stuff3d.c:128: warning: =E2=80=98pert.z=E2=80=99 is used uninitialized in t= his function /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dsurface3d.c +--tangle --output=surface3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/surface3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3196,7 +2873,7 @@ ized in this function /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dtransform3d.c +--tangle --output=transform3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/transform3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3207,7 +2884,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE transform3d.o transform3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dviewport3d.c +--tangle --output=viewport3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/viewport3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3222,7 +2899,7 @@ els=E2=80=99 defined but not used /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dvolume3d.c +--tangle --output=volume3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/volume3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3234,7 +2911,7 @@ gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE volume3d.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/../../.././build/scripts/docume= nt ---tangle --output=3Dwrite3d.c +--tangle --output=write3d.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D/write3d.c.pamphlet gcc -c -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/home/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/graph/include @@ -3266,20 +2943,20 @@ rm -f stamp echo timestamp > stamp finished ../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/view3D make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/view3D' -cd viewAlone && SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SR= -C=3D/src -INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +cd viewAlone && SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SR= +C=/src +INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make make[3]: Entering directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone= ' /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/../../.././build/scripts/doc= ument ---tangle --output=3DviewAlone.c +--tangle --output=viewAlone.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/viewAlone.c.pamphlet gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone @@ -3289,7 +2966,7 @@ gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE viewAlone.o viewAlone.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/../../.././build/scripts/doc= ument ---tangle --output=3DspoonComp.c +--tangle --output=spoonComp.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/spoonComp.c.pamphlet gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone @@ -3299,7 +2976,7 @@ gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE spoonComp.o spoonComp.c /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/../../.././build/scripts/doc= ument ---tangle --output=3Dspoon2D.c +--tangle --output=spoon2D.c ./../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone/spoon2D.c.pamphlet gcc -g -O2 -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -I../../../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone @@ -3317,10 +2994,10 @@ echo timestamp > stamp finished . make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/viewAlone' /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/../.././build/scripts/document ---tangle=3D`basename parabola/data` --output=3Dparabola/data +--tangle=`basename parabola/data` --output=parabola/data ./../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/fileformats.pamphlet /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph/../.././build/scripts/document ---tangle=3D`basename parabola/graph0` --output=3Dparabola/graph0 +--tangle=`basename parabola/graph0` --output=parabola/graph0 ./../../wh-sandbox/src/graph/fileformats.pamphlet echo timestamp > stamp 24 finished @@ -3329,56 +3006,56 @@ make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/graph' /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux/bin ./../wh-sandbox/config/mkinstalldirs /home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux/share -cd hyper && SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC=3D= +cd hyper && SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC== /src -INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make make[2]: Entering directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/hyper' -failcmd=3D'exit 1'; \ +failcmd='exit 1'; \ for f in $MAKEFLAGS; do \ case $f in \ - *=3D* | --[!k]*) ;; \ - *k*) failcmd=3D'fail=3Dyes';; \ + *=* | --[!k]*) ;; \ + *k*) failcmd='fail=yes';; \ esac; \ done; \ - dot_seen=3Dno; \ - target=3D`echo all-recursive | sed s/-recursive//`; list=3D''; \ + dot_seen=no; \ + target=`echo all-recursive | sed s/-recursive//`; list=''; \ for subdir in $list; do \ echo "Making $target in $subdir"; \ - if test "$subdir" =3D "."; then \ - dot_seen=3Dyes; \ - local_target=3D"$target-ax"; \ + if test "$subdir" = "."; then \ + dot_seen=yes; \ + local_target="$target-ax"; \ else \ - local_target=3D"$target"; \ + local_target="$target"; \ fi; \ - (cd $subdir && SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-sus= + (cd $subdir && SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-sus= e-linux -SRC=3D/src INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sa= +SRC=/src INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sa= ndbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make $local= +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make $local= _target) || eval $failcmd; \ done; \ - if test "$dot_seen" =3D "no"; then \ - SPAD=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC=3D/= + if test "$dot_seen" = "no"; then \ + SPAD=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i686-suse-linux SRC=/= src -INT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE=3D"-o -/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION=3D"Axiom +INT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int OBJ=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include NOISE="-o +/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i686-suse-linux/trace" VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26" -DOCUMENT=3D/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF=3D"" CCF= -=3D"-O2 --fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" LISP=3Dlsp make "$targ= +DOCUMENT=/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document PLF="" CCF= +="-O2 +-fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" LISP=lsp make "$targ= et-ax" || exit 1; \ fi; test -z "$fail" @@ -3392,18 +3069,13 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 wspage@suse-linux:~/axiom-sandbox> - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:18:23 +0100 -Cc: "list" , - billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > What reports do we have of successful builds of wh-sandbox? What > platforms? @@ -3411,17 +3083,10 @@ Cc: "list" , I just re-built wh-sandbox, although not from scratch but only after a svn up, on kubuntu dapper without a problem. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:29:48 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: "list" , - billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 > Waldek, et al. @@ -3457,19 +3122,11 @@ Thanks for the report. I build regularly on prerelase Debian and on Mandrake 9.2. Your log looks different than my build log -- I will investigate what is the reason for the difference. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: messages in wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:39:28 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: messages in wh-sandbox Martin Rubey wrote: > is there a way to turn of messages like @@ -3493,19 +3150,11 @@ Later you wrote: Do the messages appear in the freshly re-built version? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:44:41 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: messages in wh-sandbox -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:44:41 +0100 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3536,20 +3185,11 @@ diff and some files are modified. Very likely, this is because of an experimental patch of Peter Broadbery to enable aldor extend. Sorry about taking away your time... -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:35:29 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdIuHlSAnvYchyER+uf4gcyLiPr1AADBdpQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: RE: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing - Package on MathAction +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing Package on MathAction Martin, @@ -3581,24 +3221,15 @@ minutes the compile is complete and the page looks ok. Let me know if this works now. I will leave the limit at 60 minutes for now. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Feb 2007 04:12:37 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing - Package on MathAction +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing Package on MathAction Dear Bill, -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > I am not sure if I can fix anything, but you are right that > MantepseSpad2 did not compile in the 1 minute CPU time limit @@ -3627,17 +3258,11 @@ Martin PS: Neil Sloane will be looking at the program next week, and possibly include it in SuperSeeker. That'd be nice! - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey - <9qveihfgbe.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Feb 2007 04:55:06 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing - Package on MathAction +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] [ANN] New version of Guessing Package on MathAction Martin Rubey writes: @@ -3645,19 +3270,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: It's working now! Super! Good night! -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:38:19 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Cc: -Subject: wh-sandbox: error in hyperdoc - uncompress is - obsolete +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: wh-sandbox: error in hyperdoc - uncompress is obsolete While testing Hyperdoc in the current version wh-sandbox on OpenSuSE 10.2 I encountered the following problem while run some example graphics: @@ -3676,18 +3293,10 @@ uncompress: No such file or directory My understanding is that 'uncompress' is an obselete name for 'gzip -d'. Is that correct? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:45:49 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 Quoting Bill Page: @@ -3723,22 +3332,13 @@ the problem. In any case, I can now report a successful build on OpenSuSE 10.2. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 - <20070205234549.pbr7kvgfgjggckgg@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Feb 2007 04:59:03 -0600 -Cc: "list" , - billl.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on SuSE 10.2 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Bill Page: | @@ -3779,14 +3379,10 @@ I found that it was because noweave/notangle was missing so the build-setup.sh script overwrote complete information with partial information. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:20:37 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Algebra bootstrap I would like to share with you recent progress I made. Namely, I was @@ -3857,19 +3453,11 @@ from empty databases, but the resulting databases still contain too little (or possibly incorrect) information, so normal bootstrap using such databases fails relatively early. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 06 Feb 2007 08:04:51 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Feb 2007 08:04:51 -0600 -Cc: list - I think we need to have a basic interpreter, and a basic compiler in the sense that they are almost like the interpreter and compiler, @@ -3885,15 +3473,11 @@ We must also be able to process a file without first having to split it into several chunks. We have been able to process SPAD files that way; making )abbrev a no-op. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:00:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: "list" +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox: error in hyperdoc - uncompress is obsolete > While testing Hyperdoc in the current version wh-sandbox on OpenSuSE 10.2 I > encountered the following problem while run some example graphics: @@ -3945,16 +3529,10 @@ image library, so the problem should automatically go away. If the problem affects more poeple I will probably look again at it to find quicker solutuion. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 06 Feb 2007 21:50:14 +0100 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. Hello, @@ -3976,18 +3554,11 @@ This computer is at work and my mail at home... So I can't be more precise. May you help me ? -Francois M. - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey -Subject: RE: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:35:53 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdKMGsndDyuPMtqSS21NCdKGRtzKwADaCCw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: RE: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. On February 6, 2007 3:50 PM Francois Maltey wrote: > @@ -4035,17 +3606,10 @@ It is possible that Axiom was originally installed for a single user only, in which case the AXIOM variable may only be defined for that specific user in the 'Users varaibles for ...'. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:32:55 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Algebra bootstrap I have commited new algebra bootstrap to wh-sandbox. This code is @@ -4063,18 +3627,11 @@ I have commited it so that: - others can see details of bootstrap process - I can kill Lisp embedded in algebra pamphlets --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:17:02 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap > > I think we need to have a basic interpreter, and a basic compiler @@ -4122,21 +3679,11 @@ Concerning abbrev declaration: I am not sure how to find out wether something is a package or a domain without using information from abbrevs. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 06 Feb 2007 19:19:57 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Feb 2007 19:19:57 -0600 -Cc: list - ---=-=-= Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4340,17 +3887,11 @@ SpadParser(): Public == Private where ast - ---=-=-=-- - - - \start -Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:40:00 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4543,20 +4084,11 @@ behaved subset. P.S. Thanks for the attached code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Algebra bootstrap Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:11:24 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-2" -Thread-Index: AcdKRy4ahsUOf6ygRiKOMBLXkLAdiwAJJOkw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Algebra bootstrap On February 6, 2007 6:33 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -4574,25 +4106,17 @@ Thank you very much for providing this work so quickly. > - I can kill Lisp embedded in algebra pamphlets > -Waldek,=20 +Waldek, Wy jeste=B6cie moimi bohaterem! (You are my hero!) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:00:27 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:00:27 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4885,75 +4409,55 @@ I believe I don't understand why the macro expansion *needs* to be done before postTransform and parseTransform. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying "can you elaborate?". --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:53:55 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Algebra bootstrap Bill Page wrote: -> Waldek,=20 ->=20 +> Waldek, +> > Wy jeste=B6cie moimi bohaterem! ->=20 +> > (You are my hero!) ->=20 +> You are welcome. I hope my work will be useful. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. -From: Francois Maltey Date: 08 Feb 2007 22:48:38 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Francois Maltey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: axiom in windows xp for an user who isn't root. Dear Bill, > msys is not necessary to use Axiom on windows - only if you > need to build Axiom from source. ->=20 +> I install Axiom in Windows from the binary install. > > I change rights of the axiom directory and the msys directory. > > Now they are read/write/and others for all users. -> >=20 +> > > It sounds like the AXIOM environment variable is not set. -> =20 +> > To check the AXIOM variable go to: ->=20 +> > Start/ControlPanel/System/Advanced/EnvironmentVariables Many thanks ! This variable was set for root, not for the other user. > and check that the 'System variables' table includes ->=20 +> > Variable Name: AXIOM > Variable Value: c:/Program Files/axiom/mnt/windows -Have a nice day ! - -Fran=E7ois, From France. - - - \start Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:30:44 +0000 From: Vladimir Bondarenko To: list - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" Subject: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? Hello *, @@ -4964,19 +4468,9 @@ When the next release for Windows is planned (at least approximately)? Thanks in advance. - -Best wishes, - -Vladimir Bondarenko - -http://www.cybertester.com - - - - \start -From: Brent Fulgham Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:28:15 -0800 +From: Brent Fulgham To: list Subject: Building Axiom @@ -4989,20 +4483,13 @@ least, use a precompiled GCL, if I have one on my system). Has anyone made any progress working with Axiom in a non-GCL environment? -Thanks, - --Brent - - - \start -To: Brent Fulgham -Subject: Re: Building Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Feb 2007 02:32:25 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Brent Fulgham +Subject: Re: Building Axiom -Brent Fulgham writes: +Brent Fulgham writes: | Trying to get Axiom to build on the Mac is pretty frustrating, mainly | because the build fails on GCL. @@ -5010,16 +4497,11 @@ Brent Fulgham writes: There have been documented successful build reports on Mac OS/PowerPC. So, could you be more specific? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 10 Feb 2007 09:50:07 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: Re: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 Feb 2007 09:50:07 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Vladimir, @@ -5037,19 +4519,12 @@ Sorry, no windows. Bill? Vladimir, did you consider taking the price for porting AldorUnit to Axiom? Would be really nice! -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Feb 2007 12:17:26 +0100 -Cc: Igor Khavkine Igor Khavkine, list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: new AXIOM release(s) +Cc: Igor Khavkine Dear Tim, *, @@ -5204,16 +4679,11 @@ this equals $c_2$, and [[Y f]] now equals $[c_1,c_2,\dots]$. @ \end{document} - - - \start Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:56:49 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: list - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> -Subject: build-improvements without external noweb: is it - supposed to work? +Subject: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? Hello *, @@ -5247,19 +4717,11 @@ branch ready for packaging? (I mean not the main portage tree, but an experimental overlay.) If not, when will it be ready for such wider testing by the Gentoo community? -Andrey - - - \start -To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Feb 2007 11:28:53 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Andrey G. Grozin +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? Andrey G. Grozin writes: @@ -5325,17 +4787,11 @@ for deeper reasons. It would be great if you could help in that regard! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Brent Fulgham -Subject: Re: Building Axiom Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:49:20 -0800 +From: Brent Fulgham To: Gabriel Dos Reis - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:49:33 EST -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Building Axiom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 @@ -5343,7 +4799,7 @@ Hash: SHA1 On Feb 10, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> Brent Fulgham writes: +> Brent Fulgham writes: > > | Trying to get Axiom to build on the Mac is pretty frustrating, > mainly @@ -5441,30 +4897,11 @@ had to do anything fancy. I already tried adjusting my pathing to exclude my MacPorts stuff, but that didn't seem to help (using or not using it resulted in the same problem). -Thanks, - -- -Brent - - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) - -iD8DBQFFzi/WzGDdrzfvUpURAm29AJ9/lyZ7/zFdEjEHWYcoVR8iOA96jgCeNtx2 -FJyMwfn7zPTYZwS0/lDDDFk= -=I9m3 ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Vladimir Bondarenko'" -Subject: RE: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:34:58 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdM8H5oZ/A7mUufT4qBg+yE49RG2gAaqBgg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Vladimir Bondarenko +Subject: RE: Most recent AXIOM release(s)? On February 10, 2007 3:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -5479,19 +4916,10 @@ On February 10, 2007 3:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote: The build-improvements branch of Axiom builds on Windows. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:50:45 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <45CE8485.5020709@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: )set output mathml on This posting is in response to Andrey Grozin's questions here @@ -5596,16 +5024,10 @@ display="block"> Type: Polynomial Integer -Arthur Ralfs - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:37:43 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list Subject: )set output mathml on > I wanted to get my mathml package delivering output.... @@ -5679,18 +5101,11 @@ Packaging changes to "get it off your desk" is three times more work. I'd like to be able to pick things up that seem "simple" but since I'm not the author I have no real ability to debug it when the merge breaks. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:07:38 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: list Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Tim Daly > Tim Daly writes: > @@ -5727,30 +5142,11 @@ technical but I think they are important enough from practical point of view. After all this is question of identity. -With best regards, - -Vadim - - - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start +Date: 11 Feb 2007 10:21:50 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <45CF3F4A.6040802@netorn.ru> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Feb 2007 10:21:50 -0600 -Cc: list, Tim Daly Vadim V. Zhytnikov writes: @@ -5793,17 +5189,10 @@ every year. The latter assumes we have enough momentum. | After all this is question of identity. -Indeed. - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:59:58 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov -Cc: list Subject: new AXIOM release(s) > 1) IMHO publish release as CVS tree on SorceForge is bad practice... @@ -5874,21 +5263,10 @@ Axiom on a weekly basis when I was at IBM and it was my primary job. Tim - - - - - - - - \start -From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: "Axiom-Math" , "Axiom-Mail" , - "Axiom-Developer" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:21:52 +0100 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Request for testing (Win32 users) Hello, @@ -5948,24 +5326,12 @@ to the CMU Common Lisp system. Many, many thanks to you, Juergen Weiss. -Greg - - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:36:12 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list Subject: request for testing (Win32 users) - "Do not discuss issues related to this version on the official Axiom mailing lists unless explicitly permitted" @@ -5980,14 +5346,11 @@ It seems perfectly reasonable to discuss the SBCL effort here. Tim - - \start +Date: 11 Feb 2007 13:32:00 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Feb 2007 13:32:00 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -6015,22 +5378,11 @@ There are other meaningful machine checkable alternative as well. % ld --version GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2.2 20041220 (SuSE Linux) - - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:40:44 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <45CF3F4A.6040802@netorn.ru> <87tzxsk6ld.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -6059,15 +5411,10 @@ schema, even when I am aware that this is usually the standard. Just my 0.005 cents. -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:46:11 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) Tim Daly writes: @@ -6078,26 +5425,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: I mean only source release tarball not any binaries. - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:50:58 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: new AXIOM release(s) - <9qps8ics74.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200702102222.l1AMMR3s032356@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3b5e9s8p.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <45CF3F4A.6040802@netorn.ru> - <87tzxsk6ld.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -6125,38 +5457,31 @@ On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: That also makes sense. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:38:54 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOCYNtdKmClMRHQ0aMdB9DfewdlgAD6imw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) On February 11, 2007 1:22 PM Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: ->=20 -> I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for=20 +> +> I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for > Windows (32 bits). So if you are a Windows user, you already > know Axiom and you can spent some time for testing and reporting > bugs I would really be happy. Great! I am very glad you are working on this. ->=20 +> > Things that you have to know: ->=20 +> > * You must know Axiom, -> * You have an official version of Axiom (built on top of GCL)=20 +> * You have an official version of Axiom (built on top of GCL) > for Windows, I do, I do. :-) -> * You must know that this version comes with absolutely no=20 +> * You must know that this version comes with absolutely no > warranty of any kind, > * "How to use it" is not supported, @@ -6164,7 +5489,7 @@ Isn't that already obvious and clear? I think this applies to all open source projects including the open source version(s) of Axiom. -> * Bug (that is, bug in this version not present in the=20 +> * Bug (that is, bug in this version not present in the > official one) MUST be reported to vanuxemg at yahoo dot fr > and not to the official Axiom bug tracking systems, @@ -6175,7 +5500,7 @@ provision (i.e. new categories) in the Axiom wiki IssueTracker system to refer to your new version so that we can easily distinguish to which version the issue applies. -> * This is not the same version than the official one (the=20 +> * This is not the same version than the official one (the > code differs), I do not know what is really "official" any more. Juergen Weiss' @@ -6184,7 +5509,7 @@ on this list and his original source code has been distributed. Some of his changes have been incorporated into the "official" sources in available via CVS and at SourceForge. -> * This is not a fork (code in this version is destined to be=20 +> * This is not a fork (code in this version is destined to be > included in the official version), > * The source code is NOT available (sorry, not yet), @@ -6216,34 +5541,34 @@ publicly with Axiom on another version of Lisp. That applies to ALL computer algebra systems - even the expensive commercial ones. -=20 ->=20 + +> > It can be downloaded from: > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-sbcl-win.tar.bz2 ->=20 +> > To use it, untar/unbzip2 it in a directory without space in its > name (full path without space). Export the environment variable > AXIOM, it must point to the directory that contains the algebra, > bin etc... directories. ->=20 +> > So for example: ->=20 -> set AXIOM=3Dc:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win ->=20 +> +> set AXIOM=c:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win +> > and you can start it with ->=20 +> > c:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win\bin\interpsys > Thank very much for making this available. -=20 ->=20 -> One of the most important thing to know is that this work=20 + +> +> One of the most important thing to know is that this work > is based on the work of Juergen Weiss (among others of course), > he "ported" parts of Axiom to the CMU Common Lisp system. ->=20 +> > Many, many thanks to you, Juergen Weiss. ->=20 +> Yes, as I have said before: Juergen's work on the CMU version was (and still is) critically important to the current open @@ -6260,23 +5585,11 @@ of different Common Lisp environments. Thanks again, Greg, for making your work available! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:24:54 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOCYNtdKmClMRHQ0aMdB9DfewdlgAGRgLQ -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' - -Greg, +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) You wrote: @@ -6333,30 +5646,13 @@ Type HELP for debugger help, or (SB-EXT:QUIT) to exit from SBCL. Any idea what might be wrong? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= Gregory Vanuxem -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:53:03 +0100 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' - +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) > -----Message d'origine----- -> De : Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] -> Envoy=E9 : dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 22:25 -> =C0 : 'Vanuxem Gr=E9gory' -> Cc : 'Axiom-Developer' -> Objet : RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) -> -> > Greg, > > You wrote: @@ -6369,7 +5665,7 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' > > > > So for example: > > -> > set AXIOM=3Dc:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win +> > set AXIOM=c:\somewhere\axiom-sbcl-win > > > > and you can start it with > > @@ -6386,20 +5682,11 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not understand the path used (Cygwin specific). -Greg - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:31:57 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOJv/Cgz3cu4mNS5OVoJ6rPmzQiAAFVPVQ -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Greg, @@ -6412,7 +5699,7 @@ On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: > > > > $ echo $AXIOM > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win ->=20 +> > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). > @@ -6430,12 +5717,12 @@ Bill Page. PS. Could you explain the phrase: "Kitten of Death" :-) Example output of axiom-sbcl-win on my Windows system: -=20 + Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS>set -AXIOM=3DC:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win +AXIOM=C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS>C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win/b= @@ -6474,19 +5761,11 @@ at your own risk. "Your Kitten of Death awaits!" Integer,...) (2) -> - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory'?=" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:29:12 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOJv/Cgz3cu4mNS5OVoJ6rPmzQiAAFVPVQAAS9/ZA= -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Greg, @@ -6498,7 +5777,7 @@ So far I have two problems with axiom-sbcl-win to report: ------- C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\Desktop>set -AXIOM=3DC:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win +AXIOM=C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\axiom-sbcl-win C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\Desktop>cd "c:\Documents = and @@ -6587,17 +5866,10 @@ Cannot create a file when that file already exists. Note: This re-compile problem does *not* occur if the current directory is set to a path that contains no spaces. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:14:06 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: SBCL and Axiom Vanuxem Grégory wrote: @@ -6641,18 +5913,11 @@ Axiom BOOT code to lisp? I recall there being a couple of different conventions between BOOT and SHOE but I don't remember the conclusion - can the conversion be made? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start +Date: 12 Feb 2007 08:14:41 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Feb 2007 08:14:41 -0600 -Cc: Axiom-Developer Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -6680,16 +5945,11 @@ That is my understanding too. We are almost there. I've found that the new Boot is much simpler, and more comfortable to work with. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -6750,24 +6010,11 @@ process we can try many things (like asdf) without being forced to step carefully around the build issues, which I think will help speed things up. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:58:11 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Cc: Axiom-Developer On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -6849,20 +6096,15 @@ and load it in the running image at a go. There are still some GCL-isms deeply embedded in Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:24:43 +0100 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: > > ... > > I wrote: @@ -6872,13 +6114,13 @@ Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > > > > > > $ echo $AXIOM > > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win -> >=20 +> > > > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not > > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). > > ->=20 +> > Duh! I should have realized ... thanks. ->=20 +> > You it works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of @@ -6891,26 +6133,17 @@ not tested of course. > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 +> > PS. Could you explain the phrase: "Kitten of Death" :-) No :-) It comes from the SBCL banner (on Windows only). -Greg - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gregory Vanuxem'" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:40:11 -0500 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AcdOwkt2gTvY12poRr2/rgFyMFWNfAAAQ9Hw -Cc: Camm Maguire, - 'Axiom-Developer' , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) +Cc: Camm Maguire Earlier Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -6924,17 +6157,17 @@ Earlier Gregory Vanuxem wrote: On February 12, 2007 11:25 AM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > ... > Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : -> >=20 +> > > > It works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of > > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? ->=20 +> > No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) > handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). But I added -> some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of=20 +> some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of > GCL. They are not tested of course. ->=20 +> Thanks. I think the GCL main developer Camm Maquire would be strongly motivated to help with ensuring that an ANSI version @@ -6943,25 +6176,17 @@ improve GCL's support for ANSI. As I recall he is away for a few more weeks but we should expect some comment from him on this when he returns. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:30:31 +0100 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: Request for testing (Win32 users) Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 22:29 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > So far I have two problems with axiom-sbcl-win to report: ->=20 +> > 1) The )cd command does not work as expected. Here is an > example with my comments marked ---> @@ -6973,30 +6198,22 @@ but these type of things (and a lot of other from my point of view) need to be "uniformized" and well defined (the API and it's _REAL_ conformance to ANSI CL). -Greg - - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) - <1171297831.3275.10.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 11:26:06 -0600 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 22:29 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : | > Greg, -| >=20 +| > | > So far I have two problems with axiom-sbcl-win to report: -| >=20 +| > | > 1) The )cd command does not work as expected. Here is an | > example with my comments marked ---> -|=20 +| | Thanks for reporting these problems, they are added on my TODO list and | in fact the problem is more complex, we need some functions that | generate correct (portable) pathname. @@ -7005,23 +6222,17 @@ Aim for POSIX -- they already have done the work -- and have tools that convert non-POSIX to POSIX. In essence, that is what MinGW does with the path names. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) - <1171297483.3275.4.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 11:26:50 -0600 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : | > Greg, -| >=20 +| > | > On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: | > > ... | > > I wrote: @@ -7031,54 +6242,44 @@ Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: | > > > | > > > $ echo $AXIOM | > > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win -| > >=20 +| > > | > > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not | > > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). | > > -| >=20 +| > | > Duh! I should have realized ... thanks. -| >=20 +| > | > You it works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward | > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. | > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of | > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? -|=20 +| | No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) | handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). Are those known to GCL developers? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Cliff Yapp - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:27:48 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 02:14 -0500, C Y a =E9crit :=20 +Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 02:14 -0500, C Y a =E9crit : > Vanuxem Gr=E9gory wrote: > > Hello, -> >=20 -> > I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for Windows (= -32 +> > +> > I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for Windows (32 > > bits). ->=20 -> Interesting! Not being a Windows user I can't check this out directly,= -=20 +> +> Interesting! Not being a Windows user I can't check this out directly, > but it is good news. ->=20 -> I have a couple of questions concerning how this has been accomplished,= -=20 +> +> I have a couple of questions concerning how this has been accomplished, > although they may be premature: ->=20 -> 1. You mentioned Juergen Weiss's CMUCL port - did you alter that code=20 -> to run on SBCL or use the techniques there as a guide and convert one o= -f=20 +> +> 1. You mentioned Juergen Weiss's CMUCL port - did you alter that code +> to run on SBCL or use the techniques there as a guide and convert one of > the other trees? I completely based this work on the version of Juergen Weiss. My work @@ -7099,67 +6300,49 @@ factorise, develop and document the code when we will merge changes. I already began to reorganise the code, this is a pain to work on, say stream for example, when the code is disseminated everywhere... ->=20 -> 2. Did you change the boot/SPAD compilers to output SBCL compliant lis= -p=20 +> +> 2. Did you change the boot/SPAD compilers to output SBCL compliant lisp > code, or hand tweak the lisp code produced by the "regular" compile? -No the code (from spad, bootsys boot and old boot) produced by the versio= -n +No the code (from spad, bootsys boot and old boot) produced by the version on which I'm working (presumably the same than the official Axiom)) is compilable and "runnable" by SBCL, CMU [1] and Clisp. ->=20 -> Back when I took a run at SBCL + Axiom, one of the points that became=20 -> quickly clear was that short of carrying through with a complete=20 -> conversion of all boot code to lisp (a long term goal at the moment) or= -=20 -> simply living with hand tweaked translator output for a large number of= -=20 -> files at least the boot compiler and possibly the spad compiler would=20 -> need to be adjusted to output ANSI lisp. I was able to just about load= -=20 -> the stand-alone bootstrap boot->lisp system after some tweaking, but I=20 +> +> Back when I took a run at SBCL + Axiom, one of the points that became +> quickly clear was that short of carrying through with a complete +> conversion of all boot code to lisp (a long term goal at the moment) or +> simply living with hand tweaked translator output for a large number of +> files at least the boot compiler and possibly the spad compiler would +> need to be adjusted to output ANSI lisp. I was able to just about load +> the stand-alone bootstrap boot->lisp system after some tweaking, but I > didn't carry much further than that. ->=20 -> Gaby has proceeded much deeper into the BOOT world than I was ever able= -=20 -> to and the presence of old and new BOOT (shoe?) adds a rather unexpecte= -d=20 -> twist. The prospect of fixing BOTH variations to output correct code i= -s=20 -> not a particularly enjoyable one. My hope was that the new BOOT (shoe)= -=20 -> was the stand alone code in the boot directory, which I suspect would b= -e=20 -> somewhat simpler to get working as the first step in getting sbcl to=20 +> +> Gaby has proceeded much deeper into the BOOT world than I was ever able +> to and the presence of old and new BOOT (shoe?) adds a rather unexpected +> twist. The prospect of fixing BOTH variations to output correct code is +> not a particularly enjoyable one. My hope was that the new BOOT (shoe) +> was the stand alone code in the boot directory, which I suspect would be +> somewhat simpler to get working as the first step in getting sbcl to > support the complete build chain as it exists today in GCL. -Spad, bootsys boot and old boot can be compiled without problem :-). It'= -s really -simple to add support of SBCL, Clisp, CMU and Allegro (though I'm pretty = -sure -some bugs remain) to bootsys.=20 +Spad, bootsys boot and old boot can be compiled without problem +:-). It's really simple to add support of SBCL, Clisp, CMU and Allegro +(though I'm pretty sure some bugs remain) to bootsys. I forgot to say one thing, I have not "ported" the socket code. I need first to better understand some parts of Axiom relative to this. Greg -PS : I have a couple of problems with CMU CL, it can not compile some fun= -ctions -and I don't know why as of now. - - - - +PS : I have a couple of problems with CMU CL, it can not compile some +functions and I don't know why as of now. \start -Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Vanuxem =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9gory?= -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:29:45 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) >From Bill Page: @@ -7260,30 +6443,13 @@ There are, already, a lot of versions of Axiom (gold, silver, build-improvements, wh-sandbox...), I do not want to add yet another one. Don't know how this has to be handled. -Greg - - - - - - - -___________________________________________________________________________ -Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. -http://fr.mail.yahoo.com - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> <1171301268.3361.40.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 11:45:40 -0600 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: [...] @@ -7311,24 +6477,18 @@ be put on a branch... Ah, that one! :-) don't worry about it -- as long as you don't fire up sman and friends. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1171297483.3275.4.camel@ellipse> <87sldbi8x1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:58:03 +0100 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 11:26 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : -> Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > | Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : > | > Greg, -> | >=20 +> | > > | > On February 11, 2007 4:53 PM you wrote: > | > > ... > | > > I wrote: @@ -7338,21 +6498,21 @@ Le lundi 12 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 11:26 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > | > > > > | > > > $ echo $AXIOM > | > > > /home/Administrator/axiom-sbcl-win -> | > >=20 +> | > > > | > > This is a native Windows application so SBCL does not > | > > understand the path used (Cygwin specific). > | > > -> | >=20 +> | > > | > Duh! I should have realized ... thanks. -> | >=20 +> | > > | > You it works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > | > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > | > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of > | > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? -> |=20 +> | > | No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) > | handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). ->=20 +> > Are those known to GCL developers? The big problem is to find a simple way to reproduce it, I haven't one. @@ -7363,7 +6523,7 @@ have this bug. The bug is (on 2.6.8): (1) -> )set br query (1) -> 1/0 -=20 + >> Error detected within library code: division by zero @@ -7381,18 +6541,11 @@ I dropped support of GCL, but that does not mean I don't want to support GCL. The code on which I'm working is destined to be included on a version that supports GCL. -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Building Axiom -To: Brent Fulgham Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:18:47 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Brent Fulgham +Subject: Re: Building Axiom Brent Fulgham wrote: > Trying to get Axiom to build on the Mac is pretty frustrating, mainly @@ -7410,16 +6563,10 @@ GCL=/path/to/gcl ../wh-sandbox/configure There is a little catch: last time I chcecked build did not work with ANSI version of GCL. But gcl-2.6.7 and 2.6.8 worked fine. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:43:39 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bug 312 I would like here to make some remarks concering bug 312. First, @@ -7526,22 +6673,11 @@ revision 19. The change in revision 19 added support for negative integer powers, it is clear that omission of last line was unintentional. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vanuxem_Gr=E9gory?= -Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) - <1171301385.3361.43.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Feb 2007 15:59:31 -0600 -Cc: Axiom-Developer - -Vanuxem Gr=E9gory writes: - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) [...] @@ -7552,23 +6688,18 @@ Vanuxem Gr=E9gory writes: | > > available in the SourceForge SVN repository. I think there may | > > be some people who would be willing to test it further and to | > > contribute changes and improvements. -|=20 +| | There are, already, a lot of versions of Axiom (gold, silver, | build-improvements, wh-sandbox...), I do not want to add yet another | one. Don't know how this has to be handled. The more the merrier. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, regory Vanuxem Subject: Re: TR: Request for testing (Win32 users) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Vanuxem "Grégory" -Cc: Axiom-Developer --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -7595,22 +6726,11 @@ CY P.S. - is http://weitz.de/cl-fad/ of interest for the path issues? For sockets http://common-lisp.net/project/usocket/ might be of interest. - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:48:17 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -7627,18 +6747,11 @@ Boot, but trying to use it results in build failure due to mistranslation. Do you have a tool that can flag places where semantics of Boot and Shoe differ? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:58:14 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -Cc: Axiom-Developer On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7675,16 +6788,11 @@ The differences are apparent once we have the table in front of our eyes, and there we can have a warning is we want. For any other construct, I'm not aware of semantics difference. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:02:43 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -7725,20 +6833,11 @@ where clause defining three functions: main, build, and exportsOf. main references exportsOf. Shoe renames the three nested functions, but fails to rename reference in main to exportsOf. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:49:41 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: SBCL and Axiom - <45D013BE.4050900@yahoo.com> <1171301268.3361.40.camel@ellipse> -Cc: Axiom-Developer Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -7801,17 +6900,10 @@ I'd say usockets and cl-fad might be of interest here (the links I provided in another email) but I don't have enough experience with either to know for sure. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Feb 2007 16:22:43 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: document missing in installation Dear Waldek, @@ -7824,24 +6916,11 @@ Is this only on my machine? Furthermore, it seems that my packages get recompiled in any case, even if I only did a configure to change the prefix. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:18:52 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list - -Hello, +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? I've installed noweb and did @@ -7867,22 +6946,11 @@ Broken at MAPCAR. Type :H for Help. What should I do next? -Thanks in advance, -Andrey - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:36:25 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: @@ -7915,20 +6983,12 @@ On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: This is a bug in GCL, also reported by Bill. I'll check in a work around for Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:52:32 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source - tree - -Gaby, et al. Every time I download build-improvments on a new machine, I've been thinking about the decision to include gcl and noweb source in the @@ -7962,24 +7022,12 @@ what we should have done is create a new root directory That way, it would be possible to avoid having to pull all the source for gcl and noweb if these are already pre-installed. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:59:50 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: - is it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Andrey G. Grozin: @@ -8034,27 +7082,11 @@ hlet.orig src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet.new The make rule [[bootsys]] is executed through a recursive call to [[$(MAKE)]] -------------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:06:27 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - <20070214105950.8fomj2itt81cso0c@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list - -On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? | Quoting Andrey G. Grozin: | @@ -8095,19 +7127,11 @@ Debina based system only for some of the "-batch -eval" things. Bill, please could you check in your patch? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:16:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: "list" -Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree +Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -8155,17 +7179,11 @@ of the Makefiles, but it is doable. Also we must watch out that people don't forget building and testing --without-gcl and --without-noweb (which will be the common cases). --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:47:16 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: "list" -Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree +Subject: Re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -8189,40 +7207,34 @@ On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: I should probably add that with SVN, it is possible to branch "only" directories people are interested, not the whole stuff. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) -From: Brent Fulgham -Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: "list" - -> The implication though is that when we make a release, we must make=0A> s= -ure gcl and noweb are included. That slightly complicates the logic=0A> of= - the Makefiles, but it is doable. Also we must watch out that=0A> people d= -on't forget building and testing --without-gcl and=0A> --without-noweb (whi= -ch will be the common cases).=0A=0AI don't understand why GCL and Noweb are= - included in the first place. You don't include AWK/SED, GCC, or a variety= - of other tools necessary for building the software.=0A=0AI suppose for GCL= - is was necessary, since Axiom might depend on specifics of the Lisp langua= -ge supported.=0A=0ABut it seems like making 'noweb' a build requirement mig= -ht be an easier approach. And as Axiom migrates to a more ANSI code base y= -ou could remove GCL as well.=0A=0A-Brent=0A=0A=0A +From: Brent Fulgham +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page +Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree +> The implication though is that when we make a release, we must make +> sure gcl and noweb are included. That slightly complicates the logic +> of the Makefiles, but it is doable. Also we must watch out that +> people don't forget building and testing --without-gcl and +> --without-noweb (which will be the common cases). +I don't understand why GCL and Noweb are included in the first place. +You don't include AWK/SED, GCC, or a variety of other tools necessary +for building the software. + +I suppose for GCL is was necessary, since Axiom might depend on +specifics of the Lisp language supported. + +But it seems like making 'noweb' a build requirement might be an +easier approach. And as Axiom migrates to a more ANSI code base you +could remove GCL as well. \start Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:27:37 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Brent Fulgham -Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements - source tree -Cc: "list" +To: Brent Fulgham +Subject: re: gcl and noweb in the build-improvements source tree On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Brent Fulgham wrote: @@ -8253,19 +7265,12 @@ You suppose right. I don't think the inclusionof GCL was supposed to be forever. It will be however necessary, as long as it isn't standard tool. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:55:42 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet - ---=-woWBO0Huz/dZBbesZ5VY - Hello, I have introduced two bugs in DFLOAT when I sent a patch against @@ -8285,46 +7290,44 @@ PS : Tested on Gold and Build-improvements (should work on Wh-sandbox, I think). My tests were : building from scratch, tracing outputTran and testing all outputting formats (algebra, fortran, tex etc...). ---=-woWBO0Huz/dZBbesZ5VY - --- /home/greg/TDevel/cvs/axiom/src/algebra/sf.spad.pamphlet 2006-04-17 08:= 28:41.000000000 +0200 +++ src/algebra/sf.spad.pamphlet 2007-02-14 12:17:59.000000000 +0100 @@ -846,7 +846,7 @@ ++ (that is, \spad{|(r-f)/f| < b**(-n)}). -=20 - =3D=3D add -- format: String :=3D "~G" -+ format: String :=3D "~A" - MER =3D=3D> Record(MANTISSA:Integer,EXPONENT:Integer) -=20 + + == add +- format: String := "~G" ++ format: String := "~A" + MER ==> Record(MANTISSA:Integer,EXPONENT:Integer) + manexp: % -> MER @@ -914,7 +914,8 @@ - exp1() =3D=3D FLOAT(534625820200,MOST_-POSITIVE_-LONG_-FLOAT$= + exp1() == FLOAT(534625820200,MOST_-POSITIVE_-LONG_-FLOAT$= Lisp)$Lisp / FLOAT(196677847971,MOST_-POSITIVE_-LONG_-FLOAT$Lisp)$Lisp - pi() =3D=3D PI$Lisp - coerce(x:%):OutputForm =3D=3D=20 + pi() == PI$Lisp + coerce(x:%):OutputForm == - outputForm(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,x)$Lisp pretend DoubleFloat) -+ x >=3D 0 =3D> message(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,x)$Lisp pretend String) ++ x >= 0 => message(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,x)$Lisp pretend String) + - (message(FORMAT(NIL$Lisp,format,-x)$Lisp pretend String)) - convert(x:%):InputForm =3D=3D convert(x pretend DoubleFloat)$InputForm - x < y =3D=3D (x>=3D -=20 --(|/VERSIONCHECK| 2)=20 -=20 + + <>= + +-(|/VERSIONCHECK| 2) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1| (|x| |$|) (PROG (|sp| |dev| |s|) (RETURN (SEQ= (LETT |s| "" |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (LETT |sp| (|OM-STRINGTOSTRINGPTR| |s|= ) |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (LETT |dev| (SPADCALL |sp| (SPADCALL (QREFELT |$| = 7)) (QREFELT |$| 10)) |DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (SPADCALL |dev| (QREFELT |$| 1= 2)) (SPADCALL |dev| |x| (QREFELT |$| 14)) (SPADCALL |dev| (QREFELT |$| 15))= (SPADCALL |dev| (QREFELT |$| 16)) (LETT |s| (|OM-STRINGPTRTOSTRING| |sp|) = -|DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (EXIT |s|)))))=20 -+(/VERSIONCHECK 2)=20 -=20 +|DFLOAT;OMwrite;$S;1|) (EXIT |s|))))) 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(|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ACOSH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;59| (|x| |$|) (ACSCH |x|))=20 + + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;59| (|x| |$|) (ACSCH |x|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;atanh;2$;59| (|x| $) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ATANH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 + + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acoth;2$;60| (|x| |$|) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ACOTH |x|) |= -$|))=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ACSCH))=20 -=20 +$|)) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ACSCH)) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;asech;2$;61| (|x| |$|) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ASECH |x|) |= -$|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60| (|x| $) (ACSCH |x|))=20 -=20 --(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;62|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE |/|))=20 +$|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acsch;2$;60| (|x| $) (ACSCH |x|)) + +-(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;62|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE |/|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;acoth;2$;61| (|x| $) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ACOTH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;62| (|x| |y| |$|) (|/| |x| |y|))=20 + + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;62| (|x| |y| |$|) (|/| |x| |y|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;asech;2$;62| (|x| $) (|DFLOAT;checkComplex| (ASECH |x|) $))= -=20 -=20 + + -(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;63|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE MINUSP)= -)=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;63|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE /))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;63| (|x| |$|) (MINUSP |x|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;63| (|x| |y| $) (/ |x| |y|))=20 -=20 --(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP))=20 +) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;/;3$;63|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE /)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;63| (|x| |$|) (MINUSP |x|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;/;3$;63| (|x| |y| $) (/ |x| |y|)) + +-(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP)) +(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;64|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE MINUSP)= -)=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64| (|x| |$|) (ZEROP |x|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;64| (|x| $) (MINUSP |x|))=20 -=20 --(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ))=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65| (|x| |$|) (HASHEQ |x|))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65| (|x| $) (ZEROP |x|))=20 -=20 +) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;64| (|x| |$|) (ZEROP |x|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;negative?;$B;64| (|x| $) (MINUSP |x|)) + +-(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ)) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE ZEROP)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;hash;$I;65| (|x| |$|) (HASHEQ |x|)) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;zero?;$B;65| (|x| $) (ZEROP |x|)) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;recip;$U;66| (|x| |$|) (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (CONS 1 "failed")= -) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 0 (|/| 1.0 |x|)))))=20 -+(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;66|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ))=20 -=20 +) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 0 (|/| 1.0 |x|))))) ++(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;hash;$I;66|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE HASHEQ)) + -(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;differentiate;2$;67|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE (XL= -AM 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|x|))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;wholePart;$I;71| (|x| $) (FIX |x|)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;2$;72| (|x| |$|) |x|) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;float;2IPi$;72| (|ma| |ex| |b| $) (* |ma| (EXPT (FLOAT |b| = -MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT) |ex|)))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;$F;73| (|x| |$|) (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT |$| 101)))=20 +MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT) |ex|))) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;$F;73| (|x| |$|) (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT |$| 101))) +(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;convert;2$;73|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE (XLAM (|x= -|) |x|)))=20 -=20 +|) |x|))) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$NniF;74| (|x| |d| |$|) (SPADCALL |x|= - |d| 10 (QREFELT |$| 105)))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;2$;73| (|x| $) |x|)=20 -=20 + |d| 10 (QREFELT |$| 105))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;convert;2$;73| (|x| $) |x|) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;atan;3$;75| (|x| |y| |$|) (PROG (|theta|) (RETURN (SEQ (CON= -D ((|=3D| |x| 0.0) (COND ((|<| 0.0 |y|) (|/| PI 2)) ((|<| |y| 0.0) (|-| (|/= +D ((|=| |x| 0.0) (COND ((|<| 0.0 |y|) (|/| PI 2)) ((|<| |y| 0.0) (|-| (|/= | 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0.0) (QREFELT $ 108))))) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;79| (|x| |$|) (PROG (|n|) (RETURN (SEQ (LET= -T |n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;79|) (EXIT (COND ((|=3D| |x| (FLOAT= +T |n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;79|) (EXIT (COND ((|=| |x| (FLOAT= |n| |MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|)) (CONS 0 |n|)) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 1 "failed"= -))))))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;78| (|x| $) (PROG (#0=3D#:G1524) (RETURN (C= +)))))))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;78| (|x| $) (PROG (#0=#:G1524) (RETURN (C= ONS 0 (SPADCALL |x| (PROG1 (LETT #0# (- (FLOAT-DIGITS 0.0) 1) |DFLOAT;retra= -ctIfCan;$U;78|) (|check-subtype| (>=3D #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)= -) #0#)) (FLOAT-RADIX 0.0) (QREFELT $ 108))))))=20 -=20 +ctIfCan;$U;78|) (|check-subtype| (>= #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)= +) #0#)) (FLOAT-RADIX 0.0) (QREFELT $ 108)))))) + -(DEFUN |DFLOAT;sign;$I;80| (|x| |$|) (SPADCALL (|FLOAT-SIGN| |x| 1.0) (QRE= -FELT |$| 111)))=20 +FELT |$| 111))) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79| (|x| $) (PROG (|n|) (RETURN (SEQ (LETT |n| (= -FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79|) (EXIT (COND ((=3D |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSI= -TIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) |n|) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "Not an integer"))))))))=20 -=20 +FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79|) (EXIT (COND ((= |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSI= +TIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) |n|) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "Not an integer")))))))) + -(PUT (QUOTE |DFLOAT;abs;2$;81|) (QUOTE |SPADreplace|) (QUOTE (XLAM (|x|) (= -|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|))))=20 +|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|)))) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80| (|x| $) (PROG (|n|) (RETURN (SEQ (LETT = -|n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80|) (EXIT (COND ((=3D |x| (FLOAT |n|= +|n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80|) (EXIT (COND ((= |x| (FLOAT |n|= MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) (CONS 0 |n|)) ((QUOTE T) (CONS 1 "failed"))))))= -))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;81| (|x| |$|) (|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|))=20 +)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;81| (|x| |$|) (|FLOAT-SIGN| 1.0 |x|)) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;sign;$I;81| (|x| $) (SPADCALL (FLOAT-SIGN |x| 1.0) (QREFELT= 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|DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83| (|f| |d| |b| |$|) (PROG (|= -#G102| |nu| |ex| BASE #1=3D#:G105809 |de| |tol| |#G103| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #= -2=3D#:G105827 |#G104| |#G105| |p0| |p1| |#G106| |#G107| |q0| |q1| |#G108| |= -#G109| |s| |t| #3=3D#:G105825) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G102|= +#G102| |nu| |ex| BASE #1=#:G105809 |de| |tol| |#G103| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #= +2=#:G105827 |#G104| |#G105| |p0| |p1| |#G106| |#G107| |q0| |q1| |#G108| |= +#G109| |s| |t| #3=#:G105825) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G102|= (|DFLOAT;manexp| |f| |$|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT = |nu| (QCAR |#G102|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |ex| (Q= CDR |#G102|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) |#G102|) (LETT BASE = (|FLOAT-RADIX| 0.0) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (EXIT (COND (= (|<| |ex| 0) (SEQ (LETT |de| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #1# (|-| |ex|) |DFLOAT= -;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=3D| #1# 0) (QUOTE (= +;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=| #1# 0) (QUOTE (= |NonNegativeInteger|)) #1#))) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (EX= IT (COND ((|<| |b| 2) (|error| "base must be > 1")) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |= tol| (EXPT |b| |d|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |s| |nu= @@ -8882,11 +7885,11 @@ OAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |s| |#G108| |DFLOAT;rationalApp= roximation;$2NniF;83|) (LETT |t| |#G109| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2Nn= iF;83|)))) NIL (GO G190) G191 (EXIT NIL))))))))) ((QUOTE T) (SPADCALL (|*| = |nu| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #3# |ex| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;= -83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=3D| #3# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)) #3#))))= - (QREFELT |$| 119))))))) #2# (EXIT #2#)))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;82| (|x| $) (FLOAT-SIGN 1.0 |x|))=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;84| (|x| |r| |$|) (PROG (|n| |d| #1=3D#:G105837) (RE= +83|) (|check-subtype| (|>=| #3# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeInteger|)) #3#))))= + (QREFELT |$| 119))))))) #2# (EXIT #2#))))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;abs;2$;82| (|x| $) (FLOAT-SIGN 1.0 |x|)) + +-(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;84| (|x| |r| |$|) (PROG (|n| |d| #1=#:G105837) (RE= TURN (SEQ (EXIT (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (COND ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT |$| 120)) = (|error| "0**0 is undefined")) ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT |$| 121)) (|error| "= division by 0")) ((QUOTE T) 0.0))) ((OR (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT |$| 120)) (S= @@ -8899,8 +7902,8 @@ F$;84|) (GO #1#))) ((QUOTE T) (PROGN (LETT #1# (SPADCALL (|-| |x|) |r| (QRE= FELT |$| 126)) |DFLOAT;**;$F$;84|) (GO #1#))))) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "negati= ve root")))) ((EQL |d| 2) (EXPT (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT |$| 54)) |n|)) ((QUO= TE T) (SPADCALL |x| (|/| (FLOAT |n| |MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|) (FLOAT |d| = -|MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|)) (QREFELT |$| 57))))))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#)))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;manexp| (|x| $) (PROG (|s| #0=3D#:G1545 |me| |two53|) (RETU= +|MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT|)) (QREFELT |$| 57))))))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#))))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;manexp| (|x| $) (PROG (|s| #0=#:G1545 |me| |two53|) (RETU= RN (SEQ (EXIT (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (CONS 0 0)) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |s| (SPA= DCALL |x| (QREFELT $ 117)) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (LETT |x| (FLOAT-SIGN 1.0 |x|) = |DFLOAT;manexp|) (COND ((< MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT |x|) (PROGN (LETT #0# (= @@ -8909,24 +7912,24 @@ CALL MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT (QREFELT $ 28))) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (GO #0#))))= (LETT |me| (MANEXP |x|) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (LETT |two53| (EXPT (FLOAT-RADIX = 0.0) (FLOAT-DIGITS 0.0)) |DFLOAT;manexp|) (EXIT (CONS (* |s| (FIX (* |two53= | (QCAR |me|)))) (- (QCDR |me|) (FLOAT-DIGITS 0.0)))))))) #0# (EXIT #0#))))= -)=20 -=20 --(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#1=3D#:G105850) (RETURN = +) + +-(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#1=#:G105850) (RETURN = (COND ((LETT #1# (HGET |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)) |DoubleFl= oat|) (|CDRwithIncrement| (CDAR #1#))) ((QUOTE T) (|UNWIND-PROTECT| (PROG1 = (CDDAR (HPUT |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (LIST (CONS NIL (CON= S 1 (|DoubleFloat;|)))))) (LETT #1# T |DoubleFloat|)) (COND ((NOT #1#) (HRE= -M |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|))))))))))))=20 +M |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)))))))))))) +(DEFUN |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84| (|f| |d| |b| $) (PROG (|#G= -103| |nu| |ex| BASE #0=3D#:G1548 |de| |tol| |#G104| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #1=3D= +103| |nu| |ex| BASE #0=#:G1548 |de| |tol| |#G104| |q| |r| |p2| |q2| #1== #:G1566 |#G105| |#G106| |p0| |p1| |#G107| |#G108| |q0| |q1| |#G109| |#G110|= - |s| |t| #2=3D#:G1564) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G103| (|DFLOA= + |s| |t| #2=#:G1564) (RETURN (SEQ (EXIT (SEQ (PROGN (LETT |#G103| (|DFLOA= T;manexp| |f| $) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |nu| (QCAR= |#G103|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |ex| (QCDR |#G103= |) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) |#G103|) (LETT BASE (FLOAT-RAD= IX 0.0) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (EXIT (COND ((< |ex| 0) (= SEQ (LETT |de| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #0# (- |ex|) |DFLOAT;rationalApproxi= -mation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>=3D #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeIntege= +mation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>= #0# 0) (QUOTE (|NonNegativeIntege= r|)) #0#))) |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (EXIT (COND ((< |b| 2= ) (|error| "base must be > 1")) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |tol| (EXPT |b| |d|) = |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |s| |nu| |DFLOAT;rationalAp= @@ -8954,18 +7957,18 @@ $2NniF;84|)) (EXIT (PROGN (LETT |#G109| |t| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$= T |s| |#G109| |DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (LETT |t| |#G110| |= DFLOAT;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|)))) NIL (GO G190) G191 (EXIT NIL)))= )))))) ((QUOTE T) (SPADCALL (* |nu| (EXPT BASE (PROG1 (LETT #2# |ex| |DFLOA= -T;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>=3D #2# 0) (QUOTE (|= -NonNegativeInteger|)) #2#)))) (QREFELT $ 122))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#)))))=20 -=20 +T;rationalApproximation;$2NniF;84|) (|check-subtype| (>= #2# 0) (QUOTE (|= +NonNegativeInteger|)) #2#)))) (QREFELT $ 122))))))) #1# (EXIT #1#))))) + -(DEFUN |DoubleFloat;| NIL (PROG (|dv$| |$| |pv$|) (RETURN (PROGN (LETT |dv= -$| (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #1=3D(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT |$| (GETREFV 140) = +$| (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #1=(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT |$| (GETREFV 140) = . #1#) (QSETREFV |$| 0 |dv$|) (QSETREFV |$| 3 (LETT |pv$| (|buildPredVector= | 0 0 NIL) . #1#)) (|haddProp| |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) NI= -L (CONS 1 |$|)) (|stuffDomainSlots| |$|) |$|))))=20 -+(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85| (|x| |r| $) (PROG (|n| |d| #0=3D#:G1575) (RETURN= +L (CONS 1 |$|)) (|stuffDomainSlots| |$|) |$|)))) ++(DEFUN |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85| (|x| |r| $) (PROG (|n| |d| #0=#:G1575) (RETURN= (SEQ (EXIT (COND ((ZEROP |x|) (COND ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 123)) (|erro= r| "0**0 is undefined")) ((SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 124)) (|error| "division= - by 0")) ((QUOTE T) 0.0))) ((OR (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 123)) (=3D |x| 1.0= + by 0")) ((QUOTE T) 0.0))) ((OR (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 123)) (= |x| 1.0= )) 1.0) ((QUOTE T) (COND ((SPADCALL |r| (|spadConstant| $ 125) (QREFELT $ 1= 26)) |x|) ((QUOTE T) (SEQ (LETT |n| (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 127)) |DFLOAT;= **;$F$;85|) (LETT |d| (SPADCALL |r| (QREFELT $ 128)) |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85|) (E= @@ -8975,8 +7978,8 @@ XIT (COND ((MINUSP |x|) (COND ((ODDP |d|) (COND ((ODDP |n|) (PROGN (LETT #0= ;**;$F$;85|) (GO #0#))))) ((QUOTE T) (|error| "negative root")))) ((EQL |d|= 2) (EXPT (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT $ 57)) |n|)) ((QUOTE T) (SPADCALL |x| (/ (= FLOAT |n| MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT) (FLOAT |d| MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT)) (= -QREFELT $ 60))))))))))) #0# (EXIT #0#)))))=20 -=20 +QREFELT $ 60))))))))))) #0# (EXIT #0#))))) + -(MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE |infovec|) (LIST (QUOTE #(NIL NIL N= IL NIL NIL NIL (|OpenMathEncoding|) (0 . |OMencodingXML|) (|String|) (|Open= MathDevice|) (4 . |OMopenString|) (|Void|) (10 . |OMputObject|) (|DoubleFlo= @@ -8991,7 +7994,7 @@ One;$;15|) |$|)) |DFLOAT;exp1;$;16| |DFLOAT;pi;$;17| (|OutputForm|) (37 . |= outputForm|) |DFLOAT;coerce;$Of;18| (|InputForm|) (42 . |convert|) |DFLOAT;= convert;$If;19| |DFLOAT;<;2$B;20| |DFLOAT;-;2$;21| |DFLOAT;+;3$;22| |DFLOAT= ;-;3$;23| |DFLOAT;*;3$;24| |DFLOAT;*;I2$;25| |DFLOAT;max;3$;26| |DFLOAT;min= -;3$;27| |DFLOAT;=3D;2$B;28| |DFLOAT;/;$I$;29| |DFLOAT;sqrt;2$;30| |DFLOAT;l= +;3$;27| |DFLOAT;=;2$B;28| |DFLOAT;/;$I$;29| |DFLOAT;sqrt;2$;30| |DFLOAT;l= og10;2$;31| |DFLOAT;**;$I$;32| |DFLOAT;**;3$;33| |DFLOAT;coerce;I$;34| |DFL= OAT;exp;2$;35| |DFLOAT;log;2$;36| |DFLOAT;sin;2$;38| |DFLOAT;cos;2$;39| |DF= LOAT;tan;2$;40| |DFLOAT;cot;2$;41| |DFLOAT;sec;2$;42| |DFLOAT;csc;2$;43| |D= @@ -9018,7 +8021,7 @@ tor| |$|)) (|Record| (|:| |coef1| |$|) (|:| |coef2| |$|)) (|Union| 133 (QUO= TE "failed")) (|Record| (|:| |quotient| |$|) (|:| |remainder| |$|)) (|Recor= d| (|:| |coef| 131) (|:| |generator| |$|)) (|SparseUnivariatePolynomial| |$= |) (|Record| (|:| |unit| |$|) (|:| |canonical| |$|) (|:| |associate| |$|)) = -(|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(|~=3D| 114 |zero?| 120 |wholePart| 125 |unitNo= +(|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(|~=| 114 |zero?| 120 |wholePart| 125 |unitNo= rmal| 130 |unitCanonical| 135 |unit?| 140 |truncate| 145 |tanh| 150 |tan| 1= 55 |subtractIfCan| 160 |squareFreePart| 166 |squareFree| 171 |sqrt| 176 |si= zeLess?| 181 |sinh| 187 |sin| 192 |sign| 197 |sech| 202 |sec| 207 |sample| = @@ -9035,8 +8038,8 @@ ressIdealMember| 468 |exponent| 474 |exp1| 479 |exp| 483 |euclideanSize| 48= tic| 594 |ceiling| 598 |bits| 603 |base| 607 |atanh| 611 |atan| 616 |associ= ates?| 627 |asinh| 633 |asin| 638 |asech| 643 |asec| 648 |acsch| 653 |acsc|= 658 |acoth| 663 |acot| 668 |acosh| 673 |acos| 678 |abs| 683 |^| 688 |Zero|= - 706 |One| 710 |OMwrite| 714 |Gamma| 738 D 743 |Beta| 754 |>=3D| 760 |>| 76= -6 |=3D| 772 |<=3D| 778 |<| 784 |/| 790 |-| 802 |+| 813 |**| 819 |*| 849)) (= + 706 |One| 710 |OMwrite| 714 |Gamma| 738 D 743 |Beta| 754 |>=| 760 |>| 76= +6 |=| 772 |<=| 778 |<| 784 |/| 790 |-| 802 |+| 813 |**| 819 |*| 849)) (= QUOTE ((|approximate| . 0) (|canonicalsClosed| . 0) (|canonicalUnitNormal| = . 0) (|noZeroDivisors| . 0) ((|commutative| "*") . 0) (|rightUnitary| . 0) = (|leftUnitary| . 0) (|unitsKnown| . 0))) (CONS (|makeByteWordVec2| 1 (QUOTE= @@ -9095,19 +8098,19 @@ o| 13) (|BasicType|) (|CoercibleTo| 38))) (|makeByteWordVec2| 139 (QUOTE (0= 53 2 0 0 0 0 85 2 0 0 0 0 47 1 0 0 0 45 2 0 0 0 0 46 2 0 0 0 0 57 2 0 0 0 = 103 126 2 0 0 0 24 56 2 0 0 0 104 1 2 0 0 0 22 1 2 0 0 0 103 1 2 0 0 103 0 = 1 2 0 0 0 0 48 2 0 0 24 0 49 2 0 0 104 0 1 2 0 0 22 0 29)))))) (QUOTE |look= -upComplete|)))=20 -+(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#0=3D#:G1588) (RETURN (C= +upComplete|))) ++(DEFUN |DoubleFloat| NIL (PROG NIL (RETURN (PROG (#0=#:G1588) (RETURN (C= OND ((LETT #0# (HGET |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)) |DoubleFloa= t|) (|CDRwithIncrement| (CDAR #0#))) ((QUOTE T) (UNWIND-PROTECT (PROG1 (CDD= AR (HPUT |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (LIST (CONS NIL (CONS 1 = (|DoubleFloat;|)))))) (LETT #0# T |DoubleFloat|)) (COND ((NOT #0#) (HREM |$= -ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|))))))))))))=20 +ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|)))))))))))) + +(DEFUN |DoubleFloat;| NIL (PROG (|dv$| $ |pv$|) (RETURN (PROGN (LETT |dv$|= - (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #0=3D(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT $ (GETREFV 143) . #0= + (QUOTE (|DoubleFloat|)) . #0=(|DoubleFloat|)) (LETT $ (GETREFV 143) . #0= #) (QSETREFV $ 0 |dv$|) (QSETREFV $ 3 (LETT |pv$| (|buildPredVector| 0 0 NI= L) . #0#)) (|haddProp| |$ConstructorCache| (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) NIL (CONS = -1 $)) (|stuffDomainSlots| $) (QSETREFV $ 6 "~A") $))))=20 +1 $)) (|stuffDomainSlots| $) (QSETREFV $ 6 "~A") $)))) + +(MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE |infovec|) (LIST (QUOTE #(NIL NIL N= IL NIL NIL NIL (QUOTE |format|) (|String|) |DFLOAT;doubleFloatFormat;2S;1| = @@ -9123,7 +8126,7 @@ IDENTITY (FUNCALL (|dispatchFunction| |DFLOAT;One;$;16|) $)) |DFLOAT;exp1;$= ;17| |DFLOAT;pi;$;18| (|OutputForm|) (37 . |message|) (42 . -) |DFLOAT;coer= ce;$Of;19| (|InputForm|) (47 . |convert|) |DFLOAT;convert;$If;20| |DFLOAT;<= ;2$B;21| |DFLOAT;-;2$;22| |DFLOAT;+;3$;23| |DFLOAT;-;3$;24| |DFLOAT;*;3$;25= -| |DFLOAT;*;I2$;26| |DFLOAT;max;3$;27| |DFLOAT;min;3$;28| |DFLOAT;=3D;2$B;2= +| |DFLOAT;*;I2$;26| |DFLOAT;max;3$;27| |DFLOAT;min;3$;28| |DFLOAT;=;2$B;2= 9| |DFLOAT;/;$I$;30| |DFLOAT;sqrt;2$;31| |DFLOAT;log10;2$;32| |DFLOAT;**;$I= $;33| |DFLOAT;**;3$;34| |DFLOAT;coerce;I$;35| |DFLOAT;exp;2$;36| |DFLOAT;lo= g;2$;37| |DFLOAT;sin;2$;39| |DFLOAT;cos;2$;40| |DFLOAT;tan;2$;41| |DFLOAT;c= @@ -9143,14 +8146,14 @@ oximation;$NniF;75| |DFLOAT;atan;3$;76| |DFLOAT;retract;$F;77| (|Union| 106= (QUOTE "failed")) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;78| |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79| (|Uni= on| 26 (QUOTE "failed")) |DFLOAT;retractIfCan;$U;80| |DFLOAT;sign;$I;81| |D= FLOAT;abs;2$;82| (68 . |Zero|) (72 . /) (78 . *) (84 . |coerce|) (89 . |zer= -o?|) (94 . |negative?|) (99 . |One|) (103 . =3D) (109 . |numer|) (114 . |de= +o?|) (94 . |negative?|) (99 . |One|) (103 . =) (109 . |numer|) (114 . |de= nom|) |DFLOAT;**;$F$;85| (|PatternMatchResult| 103 $) (|Pattern| 103) (|Fac= tored| $) (|Union| 134 (QUOTE "failed")) (|List| $) (|Record| (|:| |coef1| = $) (|:| |coef2| $) (|:| |generator| $)) (|Record| (|:| |coef1| $) (|:| |coe= f2| $)) (|Union| 136 (QUOTE "failed")) (|Record| (|:| |quotient| $) (|:| |r= emainder| $)) (|Record| (|:| |coef| 134) (|:| |generator| $)) (|SparseUniva= riatePolynomial| $) (|Record| (|:| |unit| $) (|:| |canonical| $) (|:| |asso= -ciate| $)) (|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(~=3D 119 |zero?| 125 |wholePart| 13= +ciate| $)) (|SingleInteger|))) (QUOTE #(~= 119 |zero?| 125 |wholePart| 13= 0 |unitNormal| 135 |unitCanonical| 140 |unit?| 145 |truncate| 150 |tanh| 15= 5 |tan| 160 |subtractIfCan| 165 |squareFreePart| 171 |squareFree| 176 |sqrt= | 181 |sizeLess?| 186 |sinh| 192 |sin| 197 |sign| 202 |sech| 207 |sec| 212 = @@ -9168,7 +8171,7 @@ rt| 554 |coerce| 574 |characteristic| 604 |ceiling| 608 |bits| 613 |base| 6= 17 |atanh| 621 |atan| 626 |associates?| 637 |asinh| 643 |asin| 648 |asech| = 653 |asec| 658 |acsch| 663 |acsc| 668 |acoth| 673 |acot| 678 |acosh| 683 |a= cos| 688 |abs| 693 ^ 698 |Zero| 716 |One| 720 |OMwrite| 724 |Gamma| 748 D 7= -53 |Beta| 764 >=3D 770 > 776 =3D 782 <=3D 788 < 794 / 800 - 812 + 823 ** 82= +53 |Beta| 764 >= 770 > 776 = 782 <= 788 < 794 / 800 - 812 + 823 ** 82= 9 * 859)) (QUOTE ((|approximate| . 0) (|canonicalsClosed| . 0) (|canonicalU= nitNormal| . 0) (|noZeroDivisors| . 0) ((|commutative| "*") . 0) (|rightUni= tary| . 0) (|leftUnitary| . 0) (|unitsKnown| . 0))) (CONS (|makeByteWordVec= @@ -9227,25 +8230,19 @@ ractableTo| 106) (|RetractableTo| 26) (|ConvertibleTo| 103) (|ConvertibleTo= 0 0 1 2 0 20 0 0 47 2 0 0 0 26 56 2 0 0 0 0 88 2 0 0 0 0 50 1 0 0 0 48 2 0 = 0 0 0 49 2 0 0 0 0 60 2 0 0 0 106 129 2 0 0 0 26 59 2 0 0 0 107 1 2 0 0 0 2= 4 1 2 0 0 0 106 1 2 0 0 106 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 51 2 0 0 26 0 52 2 0 0 107 0 1 2 = -0 0 24 0 31)))))) (QUOTE |lookupComplete|)))=20 -=20 - (MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE NILADIC) T)=20 +0 0 24 0 31)))))) (QUOTE |lookupComplete|))) + + (MAKEPROP (QUOTE |DoubleFloat|) (QUOTE NILADIC) T) + @ \section{License} - <>=3D - ---=-woWBO0Huz/dZBbesZ5VY-- - - - - + <>= \start -Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:17:10 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet Le jeudi 15 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 22:55 +0100, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : @@ -9258,19 +8255,11 @@ I forgot one thing, GCL adds something like "Starts dribbling to test.axiom (2007/2/15, 23:13:40)" in the output file so this suggestion does not help. -Greg - - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:56:20 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Hello, @@ -9384,20 +8373,12 @@ done ----------------------------------------------- --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp ---0-279212549-1171612038=:61325 - I hesitate to say it's useful, but I have what appears to be a (more or less) working notangle command in lisp. It successfully handles a couple test files, and although I haven't inspected the results it @@ -9966,22 +8947,12 @@ bXBobGV0LWZpbGUgZmlsZWlubmFtZSkKICAod3JpdGUtb3V0cHV0LWZpbGUg ZmlsZW91dG5hbWUgY2h1bmtuYW1lKQogIChjbHJoYXNoICpjaHVuay1oYXNo LXRhYmxlKikp ---0-279212549-1171612038=:61325-- - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:04:28 +0600 (NOVT) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - <20070214105950.8fomj2itt81cso0c@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Andrey G. Grozin: @@ -10017,17 +8988,11 @@ Broken at MAPCAR. Type :H for Help. Maybe, changes of this kind are needed in several places? -Thanks, -Andrey - - - \start -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:44:50 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp > I hesitate to say it's useful, but I have what appears to be a (more or > less) working notangle command in lisp. It successfully handles a @@ -10075,20 +9040,11 @@ pamphlets is still slow (takes 0.4s on "nag-e02.boot.pamphlet"). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - ---0-631001030-1171634586=:41236 +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10679,32 +9635,22 @@ YWQtcGFtcGhsZXQtZmlsZSBmaWxlaW5uYW1lKQogICh3cml0ZS1vdXRwdXQt ZmlsZSBmaWxlb3V0bmFtZSBjaHVua25hbWUpCiAgKGNscmhhc2ggKmNodW5r LWhhc2gtdGFibGUqKSk= ---0-631001030-1171634586=:41236-- - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:10:25 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -Cc: list Hi Cliff, Wouldn't it make sense to contact the Texmacs people whether they would want some literate programming support. Or has Texmacs LP support already? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp That's a good question. I don't know if they support it - I'll have to check tonight. At the moment I can't compile TeXmacs for some reason @@ -10727,58 +9673,44 @@ CY > Wouldn't it make sense to contact the Texmacs people whether they > would want some literate programming support. Or has Texmacs LP > support already? -> -> Ralf -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never Miss an Email -Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! -http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail - - \start -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:59:15 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp Le vendredi 16 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 13:44 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit := -=20 + > > I hesitate to say it's useful, but I have what appears to be a (more = or > > less) working notangle command in lisp. It successfully handles a > > couple test files, and although I haven't inspected the results it -> > handled most of the contents of boot and interp without crashing.=20 -> > Unfortunately it's performance is worse than abysmal. =20 ->=20 +> > handled most of the contents of boot and interp without crashing. +> > Unfortunately it's performance is worse than abysmal. +> > Your method of appending content to a chunk was quadratic. Below > is a diff changing this to linear method, gives much better speed (at > least on "nag-e02.boot.pamphlet") but still much slower than Debian > notangle (0.48s sbcl, 0.028s system version). AFAICS reading > pamphlets is still slow (takes 0.4s on "nag-e02.boot.pamphlet"). ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > --- cl-notangle.lisp.pamphlet 2007-02-16 11:57:23.000000000 +0100 > +++ cl-notangle.lisp.pamphlet 2007-02-16 13:03:47.000000000 +0100 > @@ -365,13 +365,21 @@ -> =20 -> <>=3D +> +> <>= > (defun read-in-chunk (curr-chunk-name filename) > - (let ((nextline (read-line filename nil))) -> - (if (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline))=20 +> - (if (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline)) > - (search (concatenate 'string (string #\") endchunkchars) -> - nextline))=20 +> - nextline)) > - (progn > - (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name nextline) > - (read-in-chunk curr-chunk-name filename))))) > + (let ((lines nil)) -> + (loop for nextline =3D (read-line filename nil) +> + (loop for nextline = (read-line filename nil) > + while (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline)) > + (search (concatenate 'string (string #\") endch= unkchars) @@ -10791,35 +9723,29 @@ unkchars) > + (progn > + (pop lines) > + (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name -> + (apply #'concatenate 'string=20 +> + (apply #'concatenate 'string > + (reverse lines))))))) And another one (it does not remove the last #\Newline): (defun read-in-chunk (curr-chunk-name filename) (let* ((nl (string #\Newline)) - (lines (loop for nextline =3D (read-line filename nil) + (lines (loop for nextline = (read-line filename nil) while (or (not (search endchunkchars nextline)) - (search (concatenate 'string (string #\")=20 + (search (concatenate 'string (string #\") endchunkchars) nextline)) collect (concatenate 'string nextline nl)))) - (if lines=20 - (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name=20 - (apply #'concatenate 'string=20 + (if lines + (add-to-chunk-contents curr-chunk-name + (apply #'concatenate 'string lines))))) Only tested on nag-e02.boot.pamphlet with SBCL. -Greg - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:24:57 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: lisp noweb speed issue @@ -10828,16 +9754,11 @@ Use read-sequence instead. The improvement is noticeable. See -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:10:15 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -Cc: list On 02/16/2007 03:59 PM, C Y wrote: > That's a good question. I don't know if they support it - I'll have to @@ -10866,17 +9787,11 @@ and also (and in particular) for the literate programming way of writing Well, I thought you in particular could trace that bug somehow. Unfortunately, I cannot do serious things in LISP. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > The Emacs mode is nice but that syntax highlighting problem is @@ -10898,25 +9813,11 @@ much work anyway to figure out how to handle this.) Well, I can't either ;-). No point in letting that stop me though - given enough head banging you can punch a hole in a brick wall :-). -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love -(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp noweb speed issue -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: I'll take a look at read-sequence this weekend and see if I can figure it out. @@ -10943,39 +9844,12 @@ CY > Use read-sequence instead. The improvement is noticeable. > > See -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -It's here! Your new message! -Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - \start -To: Andrey G. Grozin -Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is - it supposed to work? - <1170538745.3493.37.camel@ellipse> - - <87bqk1ly5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - <20070214105950.8fomj2itt81cso0c@webmail.anikast.ca> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Feb 2007 04:31:05 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Andrey G. Grozin +Subject: Re: build-improvements without external noweb: is it supposed to work? Andrey G. Grozin writes: @@ -11008,16 +9882,11 @@ Andrey G. Grozin writes: I just finished a build with Bill's patch -- there was only one glitch: there was a missing closing paren. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:53:16 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:53:16 +0100 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -11032,18 +9901,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: PLEASE PLEASE DO. In fact, since you say that mmm is roughly dead, maybe you could resurrect it? It is a wunderful thing, apart from those glitches... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:55:52 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp - <9qbqjtop5f.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Hello Cliff, @@ -11068,15 +9930,10 @@ If you or some other on this mailing list could find the bug in mmm-mode that would really be wonderful. Martin and me could probably put together a demonstration file for this syntax-highlighting problem. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:03:27 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: lisp lisp noweb speed issue > is this something you think can be used in Axiom? @@ -11093,18 +9950,12 @@ Your opinions may vary. the shell pipe of data from process to process. (my work pamphlet is now 6M lines, (4k pages of doc, 67k lines of lisp)) -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp lisp noweb speed issue - --- Tim Daly wrote: > > is this something you think can be used in Axiom? @@ -11156,24 +10007,11 @@ with noweb on that really large file? I'm sure the read commands will be a killer but it shouldn't be piping data around, at least. (Dunno if it works in GCL, I've only tested it on sbcl). -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: A first attempt at a notangle in Lisp --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -11200,25 +10038,11 @@ to say. I've seen it before on the $ symbol, in Emacs. I'll have a look and see what can be done, but it may be a slow process. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start +Date: 16 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: pamphlets -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 16 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0100 -Cc: list Dear all, @@ -11252,16 +10076,10 @@ ALLPROSE, and it proved *very* convenient. Note that aldor-combinat is *not* a small project. I did use ALLPROSE also for very small projects, by the way. It just works. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Feb 2007 23:23:30 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Summer of code I just came across @@ -11273,19 +10091,11 @@ So, who is going to prepare the application for google SOC? If nobody volonteers, I'll do it. I'd propose a HyperDoc replacement using the ALLPROSE format. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:00:53 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: pamphlets - <9qzm7dzqth.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear all, @@ -11321,18 +10131,11 @@ l.148 ...YVERSION}}\\{{projectname}{projectname}}} Do I need to tweak a texmf.cnf setting or some such? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 Feb 2007 17:16:43 -0600 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11367,17 +10170,11 @@ tree as of 2006-12-26. I never committed it because there was a small catch -- which I can't explain right now because I don't have all the elements handy :-( Good to see someone is catching on :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:36:30 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: pamphlets - <45D637A5.6060600@yahoo.com> -Cc: list >> make colored dvi @@ -11406,17 +10203,11 @@ could be the reason for this strange error message.) Try first srcltx and then packaged-allprose. Then let me know. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:40:11 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [437] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11452,12 +10243,6 @@ I have checked that resulting Lisp (output from depsys and interpsys) is identical (modulo gensymed names) so the patch works reasonably, but there is still risk of bugs in rarely used code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:04:01 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp @@ -11491,14 +10276,11 @@ that chunks are avoided: That sounds like the ticket, now to figure out how to use it! - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:10:37 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Lisp format in sf.spad.pamphlet > Hello, > @@ -11522,12 +10304,6 @@ Cc: Axiom-Developer Included now in wh-sandbox (the Lisp part was not needed, since wh-sandbox now contains no algebra bootstrap Lisp). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -11680,25 +10456,12 @@ incorrect?"))))) (write-output-file fileoutname chunkname) (clrhash *chunk-hash-table*)) - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Cc: +To: list Subject: Minor cleanup on working version ---0-2090592225-1171758151=:52761 - Forgot to add Waldek's name to the lisp level copyright notice. Also changed the exception for the end-of-chunk-body character to look for it not in the first column, rather than for a double quite before it @@ -11706,15 +10469,6 @@ it not in the first column, rather than for a double quite before it v0.3 attached. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love -(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 --0-2090592225-1171758151=:52761 XGRvY3VtZW50Y2xhc3N7YXJ0aWNsZX0gClx1c2VwYWNrYWdle2F4aW9tfQpc @@ -12120,16 +10874,10 @@ IGZpbGVpbm5hbWUpCiAgKHdyaXRlLW91dHB1dC1maWxlIGZpbGVvdXRuYW1l IGNodW5rbmFtZSkKICAoY2xyaGFzaCAqY2h1bmstaGFzaC10YWJsZSopKQpA CgpcZW5ke2RvY3VtZW50fQo= ---0-2090592225-1171758151=:52761-- - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:04:32 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs To: list -Message-id: <45D7C240.1040908@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 Subject: MathML package I've posted my MathML package on SandBoxMathML. @@ -12139,16 +10887,11 @@ patch Axiom so it can be built with mathml as a new output form. There are also a few files to help with viewing the output in Firefox. -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:43:22 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle > I have tried to use read-sequence to load a file quickly, which works > fine, but I'm afraid I haven't done too well with the problem of @@ -12380,21 +11123,11 @@ Code follows: :end (nth 1 seg)))))) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:50:03 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - - ---- Waldek Hebisch wrote: +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle > Fast way to scan strings is to use finite automaton. The code below > shows how this can be done in Lisp. @@ -12533,30 +11266,11 @@ made it this far), how much work do you think is involved with setting up the full polished system? Also, can you recommend some background reading on the technique you're describing? -Cheers, and thanks! - -CY - - - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Arthur Ralfs'" Arthur Ralfs -Subject: RE: MathML package Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:08:36 -0500 - charset="US-ASCII" -Thread-Index: AcdTCV/Gq7vaSMo2QIWYLTKq6b04EgAFO0Ug -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs +Subject: RE: MathML package On February 17, 2007 10:05 PM Arthur Ralfs wrote: @@ -12592,18 +11306,11 @@ PS. You might notice that I added your mathml.spad pamphlet as a page on the Wiki (see link on left sidebar of SandBoxMathML) so now you can see the documentation and code online. - - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:17:18 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: MathML package To: Bill Page -Message-id: <45D80B8E.3030505@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: MathML package Bill Page wrote: > Arthur, @@ -12655,16 +11362,11 @@ display="block"> -Arthur - - - \start +Date: 18 Feb 2007 03:19:11 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Feb 2007 03:19:11 -0600 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -12681,16 +11383,11 @@ of algebras and noweb is invoked on all files. I don't want to slow down more the build. Yes, this is religious issue, but it takes too long to build Axiom, which slows down the patch-build-test cycle. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -12735,25 +11432,11 @@ source files which I've not yet tried. I guess another question is whether Axiom is set up so that ./configure can build only noweb and nothing else on request. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Do you Yahoo!? -Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -http://new.mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:28:33 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -Cc: list On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12764,15 +11447,10 @@ On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, C Y wrote: make all-noweb --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:50:10 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: GCC/GCL warning messages Camm, @@ -12794,17 +11472,11 @@ thing thus: x = (yourcast)(void *)thing -Tim - - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:19:49 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle Below is a newer version of CL notangle, this time handling recursive references. There are still significant differences compared to @@ -13075,19 +11747,11 @@ non-ANSI interpreter chokes on 'defclass'). :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) (write-chunk buff name out-file)))) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:01:48 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -Cc: list Unforunately, I am a lisp illiterate. :-( So I don't even know how to start your program on test files. So I would like to give a little @@ -13156,16 +11820,12 @@ z := h @ ---END aaa.spad.pamphlet - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: notangle - (changing the subject since it's no longer true ;-) --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -13232,24 +11892,11 @@ trying to be "modern". Cheers, and thanks again for some really excellent work! -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. -Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:13:52 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Unforunately, I am a lisp illiterate. :-( So I don't even know how to @@ -13361,20 +12008,11 @@ both <> and <> change h without any hint about such possibility in <>. I find such practice _very_ bad for readability. - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:37:19 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -Cc: axiom-dev > First I have noticed that notangle behaves in rather inconsitent > way. @@ -13493,16 +12131,12 @@ for root in nonNegativeIntegerRoots repeat { Anyway, I don't claim that I know the best way to write literate programs. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 18 Feb 2007 17:26:37 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Feb 2007 17:26:37 -0600 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire Tim Daly writes: @@ -13535,17 +12169,11 @@ That makes perfect sense. Why would you think it is nonsense? Instead of papering over the incorrectness, I would suggest to fix it. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:45:49 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: No progress on notangle - <45D8D51F.1040902@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf, I take it what you expect, based on your example, is that notangle will "fill in" the pile spacing used by each @@ -13570,16 +12198,10 @@ to use it to try and make asdf load pamphlet files transparently. the time you've put into this and I for one have learned something from it :) -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:52:48 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: notangle C Y wrote: @@ -13698,19 +12320,11 @@ Yes, defstruct should be enough. 'read-sequence' (and I guess also 'write-sequence') causes more problems, because performance depends on it. For gcl we probably must provide our own (calling C) versions. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:26:10 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: No progress on notangle - <45D8D51F.1040902@hemmecke.de> <45D8E52D.1040402@yahoo.com> -Cc: axiom-dev On 02/19/2007 12:45 AM, C Y wrote: > Ralf, I take it what you expect, based on your example, is @@ -13783,16 +12397,11 @@ prefixed by cs. But generally the indentation with -L is *exactly* as in the original source i.e. the .pamphlet/.nw file. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: No progress on notangle -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 01:41:44 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: No progress on notangle > > First I have noticed that notangle behaves in rather inconsitent > > way. @@ -13896,17 +12505,10 @@ That would be less flexible that notangle because of need for explicit parameter passing, but at least for me having explicit parameters (and explicit scopes) makes text more readable. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:25:41 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: notangle Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -13938,17 +12540,10 @@ Common Lisp spec? Is it just that GCL hasn't implemented it yet? Of course it's not so critical since we aren't running on the ANSI image yet anyway.) -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Feb 2007 12:15:07 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: status of windows version Dear all, @@ -13965,20 +12560,12 @@ available under windows? I guess wh-sandbox does not run under windows? (Bill said, build-improvements does...) -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:31:30 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdUF0TiHchkVjlgQYeA7JiNXUw3fAAF9ysg -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch On February 19, 2007 6:15 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -14023,22 +12610,14 @@ with the wh-sandbox branch. If they could do that, I think it would form a very good basis for a new Axiom Silver distribution. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: status of windows version -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 19 Feb 2007 09:24:39 -0600 -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -14058,19 +12637,12 @@ discuss before we consider it basis for Axiom Silver. That discussion surely would be long and intense; so I would prefer Waldek works more on it before we get to that point. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: status of windows version -To: Bill Page, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -14098,29 +12670,14 @@ emacs build fixed it but I doubt we would want to distribute that.) Unfortunately, I don't have access to a Windows box so I'm not much help on this issue :-(. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start -Subject: Re: status of windows version -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:19:46 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: status of windows version Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -14175,19 +12732,11 @@ are some costs, for example new algebra bootstrap takes more time than the old one. I feel reasonably confident that changes I made work correctly so if I was making a release I would include them. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:32:35 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: status of windows version -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -14206,14 +12755,10 @@ I'm nervous about code removal when I have not understood beyond "it is dead code". It does not mean I'm opposed to it. I'm saying I'd like to understand why the code is removed. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:05:19 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Lisp comparator Below is a little utility that I use to compare Lisp files produced @@ -14314,20 +12859,10 @@ exec /usr/bin/sbcl --noinform --noprint \ (return-from compare-files nil)))) (not l2))) - - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:47:06 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp, Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: lisp speedups Another technique that significantly improves the speed of lisp @@ -14389,15 +12924,10 @@ You can do global declarations using PROCLAIM and DECLARE. See http://www.lrdr.epita.fr/dload/papers/verna.06.imecs.pdf "How to make Lisp go faster than C" -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:51:21 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp speedups > Another technique that significantly improves the speed of lisp @@ -14464,19 +12994,11 @@ lists). As a compiler writer I can understand why sbcl is unable to produce better code. But I would not call it excellent. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: status of windows version -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:40:43 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: status of windows version > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -14491,16 +13013,10 @@ Cc: list, OK, my mistake -- after quick scanning I thought that you removed DESTDIR support. Now I see that you implemented correct handling. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:48:27 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: Current directory at startup Hello, @@ -14525,25 +13041,21 @@ Greg PS: See reroot (bookvol5), make-input-filename (nlib.lisp) etc... - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Current directory at startup -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:29 +0100 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list +Subject: Re: Current directory at startup Some (?) other issues: (1) -> )cd temp The current AXIOM default directory -is /home/greg/wh-axiom/axiom/target/x86_64-unknown-linux/=20 +is /home/greg/wh-axiom/axiom/target/x86_64-unknown-linux/ (1) -> )cd - The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/=20 + The current AXIOM default directory is /home/greg/ (1) -> )cd temp -=20 + >> System error: #p"/home/greg/" is not of type SEQUENCE. @@ -14564,14 +13076,14 @@ C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\My Documents (1) -> )cd The current AXIOM default directory is C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.ASUS\ - =20 + ---> This current directory is wrong. So this file is not found. Le mardi 20 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 17:48 +0100, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : > Hello, ->=20 +> > I have just built wh-sandbox and found a _serious_ bug. It's present in > Build-improvement too (and probably Gold). Last time, I uploaded a > binary version of Axiom I made an error, I added the function 'reroot' @@ -14584,37 +13096,21 @@ t > directory (if the "basenames" are identical). This issue can mess up th= e > build process (it happened with build-improvement (version 395)). ->=20 +> > There is another problem with file (fixed in wh-sandbox): probe-file no > longer works on directory. Tim I think you should take care of these > issues if you plan to release a new version of Gold, several persons > already reported problems related to this one (with fixes too I > believe). ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 +> > PS: See reroot (bookvol5), make-input-filename (nlib.lisp) etc... ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:31:43 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdVzWPwUm16qpMlRCqQJkMVHnFNig== -Cc: axiom-math@nongnu.org +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: First about Sage published Althought this is not directly about Axiom, it might be of interest @@ -14673,23 +13169,12 @@ elliptic curves, and computational mathematics. Oh, for the "glory days" of Axiom when Axiom might have been the tool of choice for this type of work! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:47:26 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdUQ53HVIMTt43LSL2q2JE8tKUoRQBpKdXw -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis On February 19, 2007 11:33 AM C Y wrote: > @@ -14711,23 +13196,14 @@ If you would like to do this, please let me know. I would be glad to help. Compiling the windows version is described on the Axiom Wiki. Using NSIS to package the result is very easy. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: status of windows version -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Feb 2007 20:08:27 +0100 -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On February 19, 2007 11:33 AM C Y wrote: @@ -14748,27 +13224,16 @@ It is quite possible that I will have a chance to present Ralf's and my work at the "Seminaire Lotharingien" end of march. Would be nice to have cd's as giveaways... - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:00:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdV664aonimbdIBQGe+x/pozhfd8AAAt3fg -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis On February 21, 2007 2:08 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > On February 19, 2007 11:33 AM C Y wrote: > @@ -14816,31 +13281,22 @@ version too since basically, Aldor support is just added on top. > -> It is quite possible that I will have a chance to present -> Ralf's and my work at the "Seminaire Lotharingien" end of -> march. Would be nice to have cd's as giveaways... -> - -Do you mean something like the Doyen LiveCD? Perhaps we need -to encourage Alfredo to produce a new version... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - +> It is quite possible that I will have a chance to present +> Ralf's and my work at the "Seminaire Lotharingien" end of +> march. Would be nice to have cd's as giveaways... +> +Do you mean something like the Doyen LiveCD? Perhaps we need +to encourage Alfredo to produce a new version... \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: status of windows version -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Feb 2007 22:42:08 +0100 -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: status of windows version +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > It would be great if you could package my guessing package, too. > @@ -14883,18 +13339,12 @@ Great! Yes. But, as you remarked above, no Guessing package with Gold. And no Aldor. I'd need both, plus ALLPROSE, plus aldor-combinat. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Feb 2007 22:48:42 +0100 -Cc: Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox +Cc: Waldek Hebisch I made wh-sandbox available on my linux box for other members of the departement by setting the file permissions of @@ -14921,19 +13371,12 @@ cc1: Fehler: /local/scratch/wh-sandbox/build/i686-pc-linux/lib/gcl-2.6.8/unixpor Apart from these minor glitches, wh-sandbox is working very well, it seems! Thank you, -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:25:17 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: status of windows version - <015901c755f2$f3b96a90$0301010a@asus> -Cc: Waldek Hebisch , - list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > Do you mean something like the Doyen LiveCD? Perhaps we need > to encourage Alfredo to produce a new version... @@ -14950,19 +13393,12 @@ Sorry Martin about not having the CD ready for your presentation last time. By the way, I don't know if it was ever addressed the problem with Gold patch 50 that would break HyperDoc when adding Martin's package. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 21 Feb 2007 23:15:02 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Feb 2007 23:15:02 -0600 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14980,14 +13416,10 @@ build-improvements (therefore wh-sandbox), but most of them remain. I consider that your report and that of Gregory are related and fall in the same basket. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Feb 2007 11:09:02 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: unit testing Dear all, @@ -14999,20 +13431,12 @@ output. Furthermore, how is "should be" and "is" currently compared? -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: status of windows version Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:11:27 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdWIFBUZtTnb5C5SlGOI0JKGLslcgAFtfsg -Cc: 'Waldek Hebisch' , - list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: status of windows version +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Alfredo, @@ -15067,19 +13491,11 @@ or something like that and an older version of GCL. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: unit testing -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:21:40 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: unit testing > Dear all, > @@ -15128,11 +13544,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start +Date: 22 Feb 2007 13:09:00 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: unit testing -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Feb 2007 13:09:00 +0100 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15166,15 +13581,10 @@ Yes, that's what I have in mind - although, for the moment, static only. I.e., a rather large database of results, which are checked after a change in the algebra is made -Martin - - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:40:49 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: SBCL and compiler speed Encouraged by progress made by Greg Vanuxem I decided to retry @@ -15268,19 +13678,11 @@ build handles bulk of domains and packages). 187.502 | 8,338,543,520 | 4,530,493 | | Total - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:39:17 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed Waldek, @@ -15291,7 +13693,7 @@ Le jeudi 22 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 17:40 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > problems without a profiler. I was unable to profile gcl compiled > programs, while profiling seem to work quite well in sbcl. > FYI I use the following patch to Juergen Weiss version: ->=20 +> > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/sbcl-cmu2.diff I you want I can upload what I have done (more precisely what is @@ -15310,19 +13712,14 @@ Greg Cygwin for example) does not accept the algebra Makefile and its inclusions. - - - - \start -Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:41:08 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: SBCL and compiler speed > Waldek, ->=20 +> > Le jeudi 22 f=E9vrier 2007 ? 17:40 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Encouraged by progress made by Greg Vanuxem I decided to retry > > my attempt to compile Axiom using sbcl. One of my main motivators @@ -15330,9 +13727,9 @@ Cc: list > > problems without a profiler. I was unable to profile gcl compiled > > programs, while profiling seem to work quite well in sbcl. > > FYI I use the following patch to Juergen Weiss version: -> >=20 +> > > > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/sbcl-cmu2.diff ->=20 +> > I you want I can upload what I have done (more precisely what is > "distributable"), I planned to upload it Sunday but I'm not against this > idea (I'm busy). The bad news is that the interpreter is not @@ -15342,32 +13739,23 @@ Cc: list > extensively for example)). WHat I'm saying does not prevent to document, > "conceptually", some part of the "interpreter" such that the database, > the compiler(s) etc... ->=20 +> > Greg ->=20 +> > [1] The build process is buggy too, somes versions of Make (the one in > Cygwin for example) does not accept the algebra Makefile and its > inclusions. ->=20 +> It would be nice to see your version. I certainly would like to know how you solved some specific problems (non-ANSI type declarations, BPINAME function etc). I would like also to time build process. - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:02:35 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox > I made wh-sandbox available on my linux box for other members of the > departement by setting the file permissions of @@ -15391,21 +13779,11 @@ Gaby is right that we have mess with paths, but even with correct paths we still would have problem: we simply do not install the needed include file. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:14:55 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdXB+KDdxoLrFoVRxS+Co54OhRkaQAVSUPw -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox On February 23, 2007 12:03 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -15423,20 +13801,11 @@ On February 23, 2007 12:03 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: I think that this file is installed in the target directory (mnt) in the Axiom Gold release. Right? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:16:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15482,24 +13851,15 @@ putting extra crud into intermediate C files. if cmpinclude.h is in expected place, if yes use it, otherwise use cached version. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Axiom-Developer Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:46:28 +0100 -Cc: -Subject: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp - (was: SBCL and compiler speed) +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp (was: SBCL and compiler speed) Le vendredi 23 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 00:41 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit := -=20 -> >=20 + +> > > > I you want I can upload what I have done (more precisely what is > > "distributable"), I planned to upload it Sunday but I'm not against t= his @@ -15513,19 +13873,19 @@ nt, > > "conceptually", some part of the "interpreter" such that the database= , > > the compiler(s) etc... -> >=20 +> > > > Greg -> >=20 +> > > > [1] The build process is buggy too, somes versions of Make (the one i= n > > Cygwin for example) does not accept the algebra Makefile and its > > inclusions. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > It would be nice to see your version. I certainly would like to > know how you solved some specific problems (non-ANSI type declarations, > BPINAME function etc). I would like also to time build process. ->=20 +> Here are the sources: @@ -15542,7 +13902,7 @@ When I read your code I was particularly interested in your implementation of this function. This function is implemented but further investigations are needed. -For example the=20 +For example the ((and (consp func) (eq (car func) 'lambda)) (second (third func))) @@ -15558,7 +13918,7 @@ this port feel free to improve it :-) (when there are "QUESTION" in the c= ode this is because further investigation are needed and eventually I'll have= to -ask Juergen Weiss why it's implemented this way).=20 +ask Juergen Weiss why it's implemented this way). To compile it 'cd' to src/boot, edit the Makefile.(sbcl|clisp|cmu) and th= e Makefile.inc @@ -15566,7 +13926,7 @@ to change the variables defined if necessary (you'll have, for sure, to m= odify AXIOMROOT). Export the AXIOM environment variable so for example with SBCL : -export AXIOM=3D/usr/local/axiom-cl/mnt/sbcl +export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom-cl/mnt/sbcl and use 'make -f Makdefile.sbcl' to build bootsys with SBCL. @@ -15578,7 +13938,7 @@ To use Axiom do not forget to export the environment variable AXIOM The build process has been done in such a way that you can easily build Axiom for each CL implementation (and test the three at the same time). -And, a last remark (for fun)=20 +And, a last remark (for fun) @@ -15620,10 +13980,10 @@ range as type instead of a predefined type such that fixnum. The other problem is that we don't have the sources so we can not know what exactly a |Sint| is.) -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +========================== +===== KNOWN PROBLEMS (not related to Axiom): If you encounter a "NIL is not of type continuation" with CMUCL try to ch= @@ -15646,15 +14006,10 @@ makefiles with the "standard" version of make and use the "packaged make" to build the algebra :-( - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:47:57 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: next release I'm working on the next release of Axiom Gold. @@ -15672,17 +14027,11 @@ test and package these changesets. The mailing list has almost no patches posted. Why is that? -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 24 Feb 2007 19:23:07 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 24 Feb 2007 19:23:07 +0100 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -15695,20 +14044,11 @@ Great! Could you please try to include my guessing package? I sent all patches to issue tracker. Look at "fix proposed", please. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:30:09 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to - SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Here are the sources: @@ -15798,19 +14138,11 @@ diff -u pp/axiom-cl/src/interp/nlib.lisp axiom-cl/src/interp/nlib.lisp #+:clisp (defun makedir (fname) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 24 Feb 2007 20:52:14 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 Feb 2007 20:52:14 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -15836,17 +14168,11 @@ that (should we?). The axiom-commit mailing list has the history of all commits to SVN -- when they are not truncated due to SF policy. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:54:45 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -15901,18 +14227,11 @@ Please could you walk me (slowly) through your invesgitation? [ I just saw your patch, but I would first like to see why the patch is correct at the "algorithmic" level. ] -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:41:54 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -15988,18 +14307,11 @@ and the beginning of compile-file1 is: so during compile system-p is taken from *default-system-p*, unless a specific values is given as a keyword argument. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: next release -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:30:15 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: next release > I'm working on the next release of Axiom Gold. > @@ -16214,18 +14526,10 @@ allow to identify SVN version and get more details. + DEPENDENTS.DAASE + - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:22:44 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: next release I've seen the changes on axiom-commit and some of them have been @@ -16252,18 +14556,11 @@ Working without published diff -Naur from Gold I expect that people will complain that their favorite change will not be included. I'd prefer to get it right the first time. -Tim - - - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 11:25:44 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Feb 2007 11:25:44 +0100 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -16298,24 +14595,17 @@ Concerning "favorite fix": * #199, but is is hopeless to get documentation there, I think. Waldek is the only one we could ask... -Martin - - - - \start -To: ralf@ark.in-berlin.de -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Feb 2007 13:25:57 +0100 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] %S in some contr. pkg fails to - compile +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] %S in some contr. pkg fails to compile Dear Ralf (I'm the author of mantepse & co) -Ralf Stephan writes: +Ralf Hemmecke writes: > Hello, why is it that I can compile the Simpson's method's spad file but not > mantepse.spad? The latter contains %S strings which let the compile command @@ -16392,19 +14682,14 @@ Martin PS: this week there will be a yet improved version of my package available. - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:46:55 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to - SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Sources of the port of Axiom to SBCL/CMUCL/Clisp Le dimanche 25 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 03:30 +0100, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit := -=20 + [...] @@ -16418,7 +14703,7 @@ ted This is what I think too. ->=20 +> > I hope that Lisp implementation that is capable of finding name of a fu= nction > object will return this name as a third value of function-lambda-expres= @@ -16450,20 +14735,11 @@ I'll keep my implementation since the unix feature and the function unix-= mkdir is available on Windows, though I'm hesitant. -Thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:28:12 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -16548,16 +14824,11 @@ no access to all the discussion, only this one and some other bits). | so during compile system-p is taken from *default-system-p*, unless | a specific values is given as a keyword argument. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:45:21 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -16698,19 +14969,11 @@ break such a program. > -- Gaby > --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: document missing in installation -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:53:12 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: document missing in installation > Dear Waldek, > @@ -16729,18 +14992,11 @@ have "document" installed? I belive that this is fixed in version 439. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Current directory at startup -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:09:44 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Current directory at startup Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Some (?) other issues: @@ -17055,19 +15311,12 @@ Index: ChangeLog.wh Make the final image independent of cmpinclude.h - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:37:40 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:37:40 +0100 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear all, @@ -17080,18 +15329,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I'm not sure if Camm reads axiom-devel, so, did you consider asking him? -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:39:25 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: document missing in installation -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:39:25 +0100 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17100,16 +15342,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Yes, definitively. Otherwise, contributed packages cannot be compiled. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:48:28 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gregory Vanuxem, Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: compiled-function-p > I suspect that the use of compiled-function-p is bogus: Axiom probably @@ -17125,17 +15361,11 @@ lisp introduced restrictions on what could appear in the function position. Since common lisp is our new, favorite lisp we can remove the test. Portions of the code still contain these historical lisp-isms. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:49:04 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -17150,15 +15380,10 @@ On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: Aha, this is what I missed -- I thought the other parts were also solved. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:15:26 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: compiled-function-p > Anyway, patch follows (note that this patch will probably do @@ -17182,17 +15407,11 @@ It would be most helpful, and Gold would happen a lot faster, if you could take the time to make a diff-Naur Gold patch containing the complete changeset. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:55:09 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -17242,17 +15461,11 @@ My understanding (Camm, please correct me) is that GCL is not set up yet to work without its internal header file. However, if that is true I can't explain why we did not run into that problem before... --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:57:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox - <9qvehqt9y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -17274,20 +15487,12 @@ explicitly CC:'d in case his input is needed. Furthermore, I think he also explained that he will not be back before March or something like that. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Feb 2007 13:36:34 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad - -Hello, - Axiom's implementation of Boot's and Spad source includer (src/boot/btincl2.boot, src/interp/cstream.boot) uses lazyness (faked through function "Delay"). This is also variously known as zipper. @@ -17295,16 +15500,11 @@ My quesion is how much of the complexity introduced by faking lazyness actually outweight the benefits? Is the lazyness actually beneficial? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:14:52 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Bug with paths in wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -17391,18 +15591,11 @@ As I wrote, when compiler::*default-system-p* is nil C files generated by gcl do not need the gcl include file. But gcl still add corresponding -I option to gcc comand line, and you get spurious errors. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:08:02 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad > > Hello, @@ -17480,18 +15673,11 @@ are invalidated after compilation of any constructors, which is probably responsible for nonlinear compile times for multifile compilations). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:01:50 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Feb 2007 18:01:50 -0600 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17665,18 +15851,11 @@ intloopSpadProcess(stepNo,lines,ptree,interactive?)== result = 'ncEndItem => stepNo stepNo+1 --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:08:13 +0100 -From: Ralf Stephan +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9qejoefmp6.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Build problem (was [SOLVED] %S in some contr. pkg - fails to compile) +Subject: Build problem (was [SOLVED] %S in some contr. pkg fails to compile) Martin, it all works now thanks to your detailed help. I compiled @@ -17691,18 +15870,11 @@ files, and at two places in the make process there are commands 'cp -r' (recursive) that will try to copy these directories, too. Maybe they should be changed to 'cp -r [a-zA-Z]* ...'? - -ralf - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:07:13 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -Cc: list If SPAD provides "Generator" that would be sufficient. In Aldor-Combinat I have implemented streams and formal power series building on that concept. @@ -17733,16 +15905,12 @@ On 02/25/2007 08:36 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > lazyness actually outweight the benefits? Is the lazyness actually > beneficial? > -> -- Gaby - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:34:19 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -Cc: list On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -17771,15 +15939,10 @@ used by Spad does not seem to be documented anywhere. Experimental evidence suggests "call by value" but that does not seem to be sancitoned by an official documentation. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:45:57 -0600 -To: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad > Is the lazyness actually beneficial? @@ -17816,17 +15979,11 @@ intermediate language forms in the same implementation language. Thus the "overhead" of letting algebra introduce new syntax is minimal since even the console readtables can be changed on the fly. -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 26 Feb 2007 18:34:20 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lazyness in lexing Boot and Spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Feb 2007 18:34:20 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -17879,15 +16036,10 @@ Template Haskell in domain specific languages. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:43:16 -0600 -To: gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: next release > Well, patches are supposed to be posted when they are ready for @@ -18028,15 +16180,10 @@ up changesets for functionality you consider complete and ready. I know it takes you away from "interesting" axiom tasks. The whole build process has already cost me several weeks so I understand. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:05:07 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: fixes and patches > > Anyway, patch follows (note that this patch will probably do @@ -18103,18 +16250,12 @@ I can provide this (but I think you already have them from the commit mailing list). Also, if you have specific questions concering patches I will try to answer. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: next release -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:52:54 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gdr@soliton.cs.tamu.edu +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: next release +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Challenge 2: LESS OBVIOUS CHANGES, such as eliding "member" from > the boot code. This change was made with no documentation added @@ -18207,19 +16348,11 @@ pretty printing). So new asq just implements what is documented asq is _required_ if you want to use asq with uncompressed databases (or prett print them). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:27:45 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:27:45 -0600 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -18315,17 +16448,11 @@ I need the following: Can we work that out? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:46:36 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release - <87fy8skw4u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Feb 2007 23:46:36 -0600 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -18353,15 +16480,10 @@ from the rest of the paragraph. | experimental trees that would do more harms if published than kept local. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:11:39 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: next release Gaby, @@ -18401,38 +16523,20 @@ test version for gold changes. Gold will again be released on a 2-month, best-effort schedule. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:20:06 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: next release > arrgh. I did it again :-( funny. :-) -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:58:49 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: next release On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -18509,15 +16613,10 @@ As I already pointed out, we should encourage people to commit themselves their patches to Silver. That reduces the load on the maintainer. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:59:39 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: next release On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -18528,14 +16627,10 @@ On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 Tim Daly wrote: Well, being the perpetrator I feel differently :-( :-/ --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:34:05 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: mapleok results Here are results of my analysis of several integrals from mapleok @@ -18647,18 +16742,10 @@ in249a:=integrate((sin(z)/(cos(z)-1))^(1/3), z= 0..%pi,"noPole") ignored imaginary part ???? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:44:57 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Dear Waldek, @@ -18678,21 +16765,12 @@ fi; cd gcl; \ make && make install /bin/sh: line 0: cd: gcl: No such file or directory - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:51:59 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdahkQ4pN7o6dsMQ3Sh7AjgFhdNQwAAKNWA -Cc: list, - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Problem compiling wh-sandbox +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Marin, @@ -18709,21 +16787,12 @@ pre-installed *before* building Axiom. As far as I am concerned, that is a good thing. gcl and noweb should not be part of the Axiom distribution. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:25:29 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch - +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin, @@ -18750,30 +16819,13 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: > ./configure --prefix=/local/scratch/wh-sandbox/build/i686-pc-linux --enable-statsysbfd --disable-dynsysbfd --enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-maxpage=256*1024 --disable-tkconfig --disable-x --disable-xgcl && \ > make && make install > /bin/sh: line 0: cd: gcl: No such file or directory -> -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - \start +Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:51:30 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <45E493B9.8000809@yahoo.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Feb 2007 16:51:30 -0600 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -18802,20 +16854,12 @@ I believe Waldek said you must have GCL installed if you want to use wh-sandbox. If that recollection is accurate, then I think he might want to enforce that at configuration time, --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:40:49 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <45E493B9.8000809@yahoo.com> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Quoting C Y: > @@ -18908,18 +16952,12 @@ a significantly faster version of noweb. You can download icon from http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:32:25 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Dear Waldek, > diff --git a/book/2007-03.txt b/book/2007-03.txt index 980d4cb..eeab9c0 100644 --- a/book/2007-03.txt +++ b/book/2007-03.txt @@ -1,10 +1,8 @@ \start -To: axiom-dev -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <9q8xei2h94.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Mar 2007 17:04:05 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Dear all, @@ -55,15 +53,11 @@ make[1]: *** [all-interpsys] Fehler 2 make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis '/local/scratch/wh-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Fehler 2 - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:41:16 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox > Dear all, > @@ -85,20 +79,11 @@ the problem is fixed in the source tree (but binaries contain errors). I am looking at your report, but it will take some time. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox - <9qr6s8y87v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Mar 2007 22:20:03 +0100 - ---=-=-= +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -398,15 +383,11 @@ SfNPaaOOVQUmjkfqWphIyJM64/HwFfwtJqN2X5joYxvojYsj7qO01Xq9Lr39NuFwWxD3ttnMkTK6 zX/cFRUUmPbSK3cNZSk5mVR4MGYcrkVmvwBZDJjuo2kBAA== --=-=-=-- - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:59:39 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -469,19 +450,11 @@ and now Latex files are fixed to not require Tim's change. AFAICS you copied gcl source tree into wh-sandbox and make just build fresh gcl from sources. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 02 Mar 2007 13:14:23 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 02 Mar 2007 13:14:23 +0100 -Cc: axiom-dev Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -502,18 +475,11 @@ otherwise? yes. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:04:59 -0500 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:04:59 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -559,53 +525,38 @@ of date -- will update to Debian unstable and retry. Agreed. -Take care, - -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -From: Camm Maguire Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:06:47 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Request for testing (Win32 users) -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Earlier Gregory Vanuxem wrote: ->=20 +> > > I have uploaded a version of Axiom built on top of SBCL for > > Windows (32 bits). > > > > It can be downloaded from: > > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-sbcl-win.tar.bz2 > > ... ->=20 +> > On February 12, 2007 11:25 AM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > ... > > Le dimanche 11 f=E9vrier 2007 =E0 19:31 -0500, Bill Page a =E9crit : -> > >=20 +> > > > > > It works. Great job. I think this is a great step forward > > > for a fully ANSI-compliant common lisp implementation of Axiom. > > > I can't resist to ask: Have you tried building this version of > > > Axiom with GCL in ANSI mode? -> >=20 +> > > > No, I dropped support of GCL because of spurious bugs: (cond ...) > > handled strangely (a runtime problem apparently). But I added -> > some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of=20 +> > some modifications to allow it to run on the "ANSI" version of > > GCL. They are not tested of course. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Thanks. I think the GCL main developer Camm Maquire would be > strongly motivated to help with ensuring that an ANSI version > of Axiom works with GCL, especially as a means to test and @@ -617,35 +568,12 @@ Greetings! Yes indeed -- we'll make sure any axiom ansi improvements work. Please feel free to forward specific issues to me or to one of the lists. (Still am not receiving either reliably, alas.) -Take care, - ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <54y7o98gm7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 02 Mar 2007 17:07:07 -0500 -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Maxima] windows-only read patch (was: error - in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Maxima] windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Greetings! Any progress here? @@ -655,7 +583,7 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Camm, > > @@ -734,7 +662,7 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > > > > > > > > > -> > > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > > Bill Page writes: > > > > > > > Camm, > > > > @@ -753,57 +681,12 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > > > > Both Gaby and I have successfully built Axiom on Windows from a > > > > recent version of gcl-2.6.8pre. What is required in order to test > > > > this "windows-only read patch"? -> > > > -> > > > Regards, -> > > > Bill Page. -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > > -> > > -> > > -- -> > > Camm Maguire -> > > Camm Maguire -> > > ============================================================== -> > > ============ -> > > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- -> > > Baha'u'llah -> > > -> > > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> _______________________________________________ -> Maxima mailing list -> Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:29:36 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -825,18 +708,11 @@ How do I get my hand on the command line arguments --mumble and Furthermore, is there an equivalent of C's main() function in GCL? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 03 Mar 2007 13:00:43 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: next release -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 03 Mar 2007 13:00:43 +0100 -Cc: list Dear Tim, @@ -844,13 +720,6 @@ there is a new patch for divisors on IssueTracker now. (Issue #340) I still didn't have time to document the series patch. Maybe later today... -Sorry, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:21:02 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp @@ -900,35 +769,21 @@ Sorry about the long time it's been taking to get this done - I was sick this last week and also keeping the finite state tangle straight has been harder than probably it should be :-/. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, list -Subject: Re: next release - <9qy7meh6z8.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 Mar 2007 21:53:54 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: next release Dear Tim, there is now documentation for the power series patch available on IssueTracker now. (Issue #312) - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:04:07 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: .pht file generation Waldek, @@ -947,18 +802,11 @@ the process work? (The .pht process was created during the last days of the axiom process while the book was being created and I had nothing to do with that task). -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:40:33 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -990,19 +838,11 @@ grandfather -- invokes GCC explicitly with -fstrict-aliasing, e.g. it is explicitly askign the compiler to exploit aliasing rules, when compiling generated C codes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:25:35 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Camm Maguire - <541wk75mgk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, maxima@math.utexas.edu -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] windows-only read - patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! Any progress here? @@ -1030,20 +870,10 @@ below really breaks build on Windows. >>>> x = vs_head = patch_sharp(x); >>>> - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:16:28 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: Aldor proves 4 to be prime... :-( Since "prime?: % -> Boolean" segfaults, @@ -1073,15 +903,10 @@ main(): () == { main(); ---END aaa.as - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'axiom-dev'" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:29:01 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdeZ1Qplu5IMHkYSc2Rmm5xJ2Vf/AAY94og -Cc: 'aldor-l' +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Axiom Developers; @@ -1123,21 +948,11 @@ Does anyone have any idea exactly what "v. 1.1-rc" refers? Note: The current version of the Aldor compiler is: v1.0.3. Where can we find v. 1.1-rc? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Doug Stewart'" Doug Stewart -Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:53:01 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acde0I1Knv5f9RVsSQGbcLAaV8DXTQAAEZ0g -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Doug Stewart +Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release On March 4, 2007 9:46 PM Doug Stewart wrote: > @@ -1174,19 +989,11 @@ Step 3. Select your OS: Where do you see "v. 1.1-rc"? I am blind or just confused? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:56:55 -0500 From: Doug Stewart To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Bill Page wrote: > On March 4, 2007 9:46 PM Doug Stewart wrote: @@ -1238,23 +1045,11 @@ I was looking at the 1.1 not the 1.1-rc "The current version of the Aldor compiler is: v1.0.3." -Doug - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - "'Doug Stewart'" Doug Stewart -Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:58:06 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acde0I1Knv5f9RVsSQGbcLAaV8DXTQAAEZ0gAABCfoA= -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Doug Stewart +Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Oh, sorry. I didn't go far enough. After selecting @@ -1279,7 +1074,7 @@ Bill Page. > .org > a@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Page > Sent: March 4, 2007 9:53 PM -> To: 'Doug Stewart' +> To: Doug Stewart > Cc: 'axiom-dev' > Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open > source release @@ -1319,32 +1114,14 @@ Bill Page. > ------- > > Where do you see "v. 1.1-rc"? I am blind or just confused? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:04:45 -0600 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , 'aldor-l' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Axiom Developers; | @@ -1394,18 +1171,13 @@ release. | The current version of the Aldor compiler is: v1.0.3. Where can | we find v. 1.1-rc? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:06:35 -0600 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On March 4, 2007 9:46 PM Doug Stewart wrote: | > @@ -1444,18 +1216,12 @@ Cc: 'axiom-dev' Maybe 1.1-rc turned into 1.1.0? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:17:00 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - Tim -- The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1473,15 +1239,10 @@ I stumbled over those while I was playing with the new configuration setting for building src/boot with SBCL -- I have not tried ECL yet. I'm working on a patch. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 23:06:47 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) Yeah, Axiom was being rewritten into "common lisp" at the same time @@ -1493,18 +1254,12 @@ The new ANSI spec breaks Axiom in at least 3 ways, they want strings as package names, in-package does not create the package and lisp, system, etc are special. -Tim - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:20:30 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:20:30 +0100 - (Tim Daly's message of "Sun\, - 4 Mar 2007 23\:06\:47 -0600") -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Gaby wrote: @@ -1541,16 +1296,11 @@ Kai [1] http://www.lisp.org/HyperSpec/Body/mac_in-package.html - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:34:25 +0100 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - 'axiom-dev' From: Christian Aistleitner -Cc: 'aldor-l' -Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Coming Soon: * Aldor open source - release +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release Hello, @@ -1569,20 +1319,13 @@ offers me an option: . If you'll accept their license, you'll be able to download aldor-linux-i386-1.1.0-rc.bin. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 04:05:09 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gaby wrote: | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1629,22 +1372,15 @@ How should it be read? Does the file *name* matter? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:38:46 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:38:46 +0100 - of "05 Mar 2007 04\:05\:09 -0600") -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > | Gaby wrote: > | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1701,22 +1437,17 @@ Kai PS: Lisp is all lower-case nowadays. I only capitalize Lisp identifiers and file names in my posts to make them stand out from normal text. - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 04:44:39 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | -| > Kai Kaminski writes: +| > Kai Kaminski writes: | > | > | Gaby wrote: | > | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -1773,20 +1504,13 @@ as \author. I don't think it is particular to my branch. src/boot/boothdr.lisp.pamphlet serves similar purpose. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 04:51:36 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -1801,23 +1525,15 @@ original is all lower case. In this specific case, the iput file src/boot/exports.lisp is in lower case. For that matter. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:22:42 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:22:42 +0100 - of "05 Mar 2007 04\:51\:36 -0600") -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > [...] > @@ -1855,23 +1571,17 @@ Kai [2] This is used in Axiom a lot and I must admit that I don't like it at all. Either use all lower case, use a lisp with modern mode. - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 05:46:48 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | -| > Kai Kaminski writes: +| > Kai Kaminski writes: | > | > [...] | > @@ -1891,27 +1601,19 @@ I know. Gosh, try to report an issue with the build system and you a get a full lecture on what does not help you. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:53:03 +0100 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wt1wq8a0.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Kai Kaminski -Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:53:03 +0100 - of "05 Mar 2007 04\:44\:39 -0600") -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> Kai Kaminski writes: +> Kai Kaminski writes: > > | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | -> | > Kai Kaminski writes: +> | > Kai Kaminski writes: > | > > | > | Gaby wrote: > | > | > The ANSI specification for the IN-PACKAGE syntax dictates that @@ -2016,21 +1718,13 @@ the DEFPACKAGE statement like so: > src/boot/boothdr.lisp.pamphlet serves similar purpose. It should probably be renamed, but that's none of my business. -Kai - - - \start -To: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wt1wq8a0.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 06:18:43 -0600 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Kai Kaminski +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) -Kai Kaminski writes: +Kai Kaminski writes: [...] @@ -2041,24 +1735,12 @@ Kai Kaminski writes: I'll probably do something like that or use the string form. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:19:24 -0400 -From: Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga +From: Humberto Zuazaga To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87d53nrjyv.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; - boundary="------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D" -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list - -This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) ---------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D +Cc: Kai Kaminski Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -2121,40 +1803,14 @@ Top level. BAR> ---=20 -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga -Programmer-Archaeologist -University of Puerto Rico -http://www.hpcf.upr.edu/~humberto/ - - ---------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) -Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org - -iD8DBQFF7ArUO8aX8Tqx8vgRAvn9AJ9F9OLwen/n5625sEYp/a7xPWfcSACgxTne -aG9IH9GloXpFP8FAWX0bQpU= -=Pe1F ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---------------enig1BB856448822B728D622474D-- - - - \start -To: Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga -Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) - <871wk46m5m.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87odn8q7yf.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87d53nrjyv.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <45EC0ACC.20906@hpcf.upr.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Mar 2007 06:53:09 -0600 -Cc: Kai Kaminski , list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Humberto Zuazaga +Subject: Re: ANSI Lisp and Axiom (Boot) +Cc: Kai Kaminski -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga writes: +Humberto Zuazaga writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | @@ -2189,17 +1845,10 @@ Ah! Now, I know why I don't use Lisp for everyday programming :-/ I'll stick to the string form. Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:41:38 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdfMVzmzaiPFzb0Suq/cHB1HvSAFgAAWSBg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Coming Soon: * Aldor open source release On March 5, 2007 9:20 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -2237,23 +1886,11 @@ nut and bolt then other people can share in making it right. I think there is some problem here of philosophy or psychology that is not compatible with mass collaboration. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov - <54y7o98gm7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <541wk75mgk.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> <45EAACAF.9040709@netorn.ru> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 05 Mar 2007 10:50:20 -0500 -Cc: Vadim V. Zhytnikov, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, maxima@math.utexas.edu -Subject: Re: [Maxima] [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read - patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) +From: Camm Maguire +To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov +Subject: Re: [Maxima] [Gcl-devel] Re: windows-only read patch (was: error in ./configure when building gcl 2.6.7 onUbuntu) Greetings! @@ -2322,37 +1959,11 @@ check for listen using fcntl returns yes. Can you tell me if the latter is true or not, and then if so, what are the symptoms of breakage in light of the code above? -Thanks so much! - -Take care, - - -> -- -> Vadim V. Zhytnikov -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Maxima mailing list -> Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:41:05 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Problem compiling wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -2370,17 +1981,10 @@ if you remove just generated .clisp files from src/interp subdirectory (in principle other things should be correctly re-made), but any troubles are likely to take you more time than fresh checkout... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:49:08 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: .pht file generation > Waldek, @@ -2445,22 +2049,11 @@ possibly hang later). Since all communication is done via sockets any socket problems may give errors or hangs. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:37:44 -0500 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:37:44 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -2501,31 +2094,11 @@ A good idea is to set si::*top-level-hook*, like in hol88: 'tml is their top level. -Take care, - -> Thanks, -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:46:50 -0500 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:46:50 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -2588,30 +2161,11 @@ Great! Isn't this enabled by -O2 and higher anyway: Still can't reproduce any aliasing warnings with gcl 2.6.8pre and gcc 4.1.2. Could someone please tell me what I'm missing? -Take care, - -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:25:18 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54k5xvleo7.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -2654,23 +2208,11 @@ On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: | | 'tml is their top level. -Wonderful. -Many thanks, Camm. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:28:31 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: GCC/GCL warning messages - <87k5yf3v4i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <54abyv5mk4.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54fy8jle91.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -2725,17 +2267,10 @@ I upgraded my OS this week-end and my development machine is not accessible at this time. But, I'll post a build log once I'm back to normal. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Francois Maltey'" Francois Maltey Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:46:29 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdFRGeBttMAuD2oSsOogslr101oFQBM0kcgBpZ2vbA= -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Bill Page +To: Francois Maltey Subject: RE: Tests of sage. Francois, @@ -2883,34 +2418,14 @@ On February 1, 2007 10:25 PM Bill Page wrote: > sure that the 'axiom4sage-0.1.spkg' that is used on the Sage > server was built using gcl with readline disabled. I will > check this and get back to you. -> -> ---- -> -> -> - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:45:34 -0500 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdg3F85TzvV52coSq+ilMktwmwrMgADDqfg +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Re: Tests of sage. - - -----Original Message----- -From: sage-devel@googlegroups.com [mailto:sage-devel@googlegroups.com] On -Behalf Of William Stein -Sent: March 7, 2007 12:16 PM -To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: [sage-devel] Re: Tests of sage. - - On 3/7/07, Bill Page wrote: > I am sorry that is has taken a bit of time but I promised to let you @@ -2946,36 +2461,11 @@ since I have not upgraded pexpect in over a year, I think. I must have changed something in the SAGE expect interfaces that causes this problem. In any case, it's fixed now. Sorry it took a while. -William - ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ -To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com -To unsubscribe from this group, send email to -sage-devel-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com -For more options, visit this group at -http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel -URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and -http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ --~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:04:19 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630" -Thread-Index: Acdk7XI9i/VfsxRORSiX98EnrLDy6AAIjO7Q -Subject: FW: [Om] CFP: Prog. Lang for Mechanized - Mathematics Workshop - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630 - charset="iso-8859-1" +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: FW: [Om] CFP: Prog. Lang for Mechanized Mathematics Workshop I think this workshop might be of interest to Axiom developers... @@ -3025,7 +2515,7 @@ systems (MAS) (see Calculemus 2007). There are various ways in which these two subjects of programming = languages -and systems for mathematics meet:=20 +and systems for mathematics meet: Many systems for mathematics contain a dedicated programming language. = For @@ -3036,7 +2526,7 @@ the Ltac language for Coq) also have an embedded programming language. Note = that in many instances this language captures only algorithmic content, and -declarative or representational issues are avoided.=20 +declarative or representational issues are avoided. The mathematical languages of many systems for mathematics are very = close to @@ -3051,7 +2541,7 @@ languages. And even then, many specification languages ((B, Z, Maude, = OBJ3, CASL, etc) can still teach MMSes a trick or two regarding = representational -power.=20 +power. Conversely, functional programming languages have been getting "more mathematical" all the time. For instance, they seem to have discovered = @@ -3062,7 +2552,7 @@ to 'host' mathematics (the non-success of docon being typical). There = are some promising languages on the horizon (Epigram, Omega) as well as some hybrid systems (Agda, Focal), although it is unclear if they are truly -capable of expressing the full range of ideas present in mathematics.=20 +capable of expressing the full range of ideas present in mathematics. Systems for mathematics are used to prove programs correct. (One method = is to generate "correctness conditions" from a program that has been = @@ -3071,11 +2561,11 @@ in the style of Hoare logic and then prove those conditions in a proof assistant.) An interesting question is what improvements are needed for = this both on the side of the mathematical systems and on the side of the -programming languages.=20 +programming languages. We are interested in all these issues. We hope that a certain synergy = will -develop between those issues by having them explored in parallel.=20 +develop between those issues by having them explored in parallel. These issues have a very colourful history. Many programming language innovations first appeared in either CASes or Proof Assistants, before migrating towards more mainstream languages. One can cite (in no = @@ -3101,7 +2591,7 @@ MMS regain the upper hand on issues of 'genericity'? What are the biggest barriers to using a more mainstream language as a host language for a = CAS or -an ATP?=20 +an ATP? This workshop will accept two kinds of submissions: full research papers = as @@ -3119,7 +2609,7 @@ special issue of a Journal (details to follow). Important Dates April 25, 2007: Submission Deadline -June 29-30, 2007: Workshop=20 +June 29-30, 2007: Workshop Program Committee @@ -3140,31 +2630,12 @@ site. http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/about/conferences/Calculemus2007 - -------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630 - name="ATT00547.txt" - filename="ATT00547.txt" - -_______________________________________________ -Om mailing list -Om@openmath.org -http://openmath.org/mailman/listinfo/om - -------=_NextPart_000_0235_01C764F2.6544F630-- - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Mar 2007 02:04:14 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Boot and other Lisps - -Howdy! - As of revision 445, bootsys from src/boot in build-improvements can be built with GCL, SBCL, CLISP. Just configure with the option @@ -3181,19 +2652,11 @@ an easy party. Building bootsys with SBCL and CLISP is amazingly fast, compared to building with GCL. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Cc: - - ---- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Howdy! @@ -3227,23 +2690,11 @@ a lot slower. Interesting. Thanks Gaby for all of your hard work! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time -with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news - - - \start +Date: 13 Mar 2007 08:46:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Mar 2007 08:46:52 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -3305,18 +2756,12 @@ that the translation can automatically insert proclamations and assertions. But that is not for today, I've got lot to catch on during this break. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Mar 2007 09:08:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: cfuns.lisp and ELF platforms - Tim -- src/interp/cfuns.lisp contains conditional defentries for KCL @@ -3328,15 +2773,10 @@ further discriminated by :elf. Those functions are: There is no explanation of why the discrimination on :elf is needed. Do you happen to remember? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:00:45 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Creating executables which use Lisp compiler I wonder if there is a preferred procedure to create executables @@ -3360,16 +2800,10 @@ So the question is what is the preferred solution, in particular if creator of the executable should change the value of si::*system-directory* ? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:34:46 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Issue 336 The fix for bug 336 looks fine. But one thing in original @@ -3381,29 +2815,22 @@ different than comparison in Z. However, the logic really requires comparison in Z. So I think that we should use here t (that is value retracted to Z) in comparison. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:57:01 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps Hello Gaby, -Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Howdy! ->=20 +> > As of revision 445, bootsys from src/boot in build-improvements > can be built with GCL, SBCL, CLISP. Just configure with the option ->=20 -> --with-lisp=3D ->=20 +> +> --with-lisp= +> > That was an opportunity to clean up src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet a bit. > I merged boothdr.lisp, npextras.lisp and exports.lisp in a single > file, initial-env.lisp, which I augmented with functions to interface @@ -3431,7 +2858,7 @@ at least with SBCL. From what I have read you're using directly (setq variable to the list of locally bound variable in the 'prog'. My question is as follow, is it possible to declare a variable as special without adding it to this list of variables ? Such that it can be used -normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the :=3D +normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the := operator and, important thing, it's not bound to nil at the beginning of the prog ? @@ -3456,32 +2883,18 @@ Just curious, Greg ->=20 +> > I've not tempted to build src/interp yet -- and it is not going to be > an easy party. ->=20 +> > Building bootsys with SBCL and CLISP is amazingly fast, compared to > building with GCL. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start +Date: 13 Mar 2007 20:38:30 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 336 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 13 Mar 2007 20:38:30 +0100 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3507,37 +2920,30 @@ no matter whether n is negative of not... Axiom gives 0 currently, due to the definition of ibinom. This looks all quite inconsistent... -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:22:08 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello Gaby, -|=20 -| Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +| +| Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 02:04 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : | > Howdy! -| >=20 +| > | > As of revision 445, bootsys from src/boot in build-improvements | > can be built with GCL, SBCL, CLISP. Just configure with the option -| >=20 -| > --with-lisp=3D -| >=20 +| > +| > --with-lisp= +| > | > That was an opportunity to clean up src/boot/Makefile.pamphlet a bit. | > I merged boothdr.lisp, npextras.lisp and exports.lisp in a single | > file, initial-env.lisp, which I augmented with functions to interface | > with the build machinery. -|=20 -| I'm very happy of these modifications, this is great, thanks!=20 +| +| I'm very happy of these modifications, this is great, thanks! You are welcome. @@ -3560,7 +2966,7 @@ very much appreciated. | You have also added documentation here and there which is a yet another | good thing (I stop here my pseudo congratulations, this become -| insane :-).=20 +| insane :-). I should have done more of that -- but then I need to buy time :-) @@ -3584,18 +2990,18 @@ And I forgot to put more documentation as planned :-( | From what I have read you're using directly (setq | *package* something), this prevents the addition of the *packages* -| variable to the list of locally bound variable in the 'prog'.=20 +| variable to the list of locally bound variable in the 'prog'. Yes, that ois correct. | My | question is as follow, is it possible to declare a variable as special | without adding it to this list of variables ? Such that it can be used -| normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the :=3D +| normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the := | operator and, important thing, it's not bound to nil at the beginning of | the prog ? -Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct.=20=20 +Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct. When, I stumbled on that problem, I went back and looked at the Shoe code m= ore @@ -3608,7 +3014,7 @@ Then Shoe considers that anything that is on the fluid variables list or local variables list really is a local variable, therefore put it on the PROG header. That exhausts all the handling of variables. -My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the=20 +My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the algorithm for special handling of the Lisp convention. Then I imagined opposition from more senior contributors and decided to go with the solution I like the least (i.e. ugly), direct use of SETQ. @@ -3631,11 +3037,11 @@ I think your observation is correct. | began to modify the boot language (fluid and local variables) and | stopped there mainly because I do not have a clear meaning of what I | really wanted to do, what to do with these Lisp special variables (do we -| really want to manipulate these variables in boot) and,=20 +| really want to manipulate these variables in boot) and, My vision for Boot is to have as few direct reference to Lisp as possible, and have a defined list of reserved names with well defined -semantics.=20 +semantics. | of course, | because you, Waldek and probably others are working in these areas and I @@ -3653,15 +3059,10 @@ in stars the same behaviour as those whose names starts with dollar. We just need to make sure that we doon't conflict with some other Boot identifiers, such as star or double-star... --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 13 Mar 2007 16:22:57 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Creating executables which use Lisp compiler Greetings! @@ -3701,26 +3102,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > So the question is what is the preferred solution, in particular > if creator of the executable should change the value of > si::*system-directory* ? -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:52:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: cfuns.lisp and ELF platforms On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -3736,17 +3122,11 @@ Alas, GCL's documentation is just as verbose as Axiom's... Many thanks; I'll carefully study a simplication. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> <873b48vqq7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:31:52 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 15:22 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : @@ -3757,13 +3137,13 @@ Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 15:22 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : Ah, time is always short... -[...]=20 +[...] > | In the version of Axiom that I uploaded I added the > | Makefile.pamphlet from src/boot, which is the only documentation as f= ar > | as I know of the boot, more precisely Shoe, language. ->=20 +> > Yes, I intend to improve on that. I face this dilemma: Produce an > academic style definition of Shoe, or are more to the rigid > style of the existing documentation. I end up doing the latter. But I @@ -3784,13 +3164,13 @@ No problem, I'm more interested by directions taken. l > | without adding it to this list of variables ? Such that it can be use= d -> | normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the :=3D +> | normally i.e if you want to assign a new value you can use the := > | operator and, important thing, it's not bound to nil at the beginning= of > | the prog ? ->=20 -> Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct. =20 ->=20 +> +> Not that I'm aware of, if my understanding of Shoe is correct. +> > When, I stumbled on that problem, I went back and looked at the Shoe co= de more > carefully. First Shoe, translates the body of a function, by @@ -3808,11 +3188,11 @@ several days ago, a GCL Lisp version of directoryp using (system::stat) but it is unsatisfactory, I will probably ask Camm if stat can returns more information, eventually I'll implement it. -> My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the=20 +> My first reaction, when I ran into that problem was to extend the > algorithm for special handling of the Lisp convention. Then I > imagined opposition from more senior contributors and decided to go > with the solution I like the least (i.e. ugly), direct use of SETQ. ->=20 +> > [ By the way, I would like to get rid of the PROG annotation when > there is no variable in the list -- very common situation. ] @@ -3832,20 +3212,11 @@ variables (*something*) but on the other hand this is a restriction. You have to use $variable or *variable*. Don't know what to do, force the user or use a more general way via a declaration. -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> - <873b48vqq7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <1173835912.3905.63.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -3872,20 +3243,13 @@ OK; I believe it is an issue we have to address. Would you prefer instead? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:43:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: rainbowsally - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: "list" +From: Bill Page +To: Rainbow Sally Subject: Re: re. windows and pdf v. dvi -Quoting rainbowsally : +Quoting Rainbow Sally: > I have not yet joined the discussions but I wanted to toss in my two cents. > @@ -3913,24 +3277,15 @@ http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer Your encouragement might help to motivate other Axiom developers to produce an updated version of Axiom for Windows. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1173812221.3687.45.camel@ellipse> <873b48vqq7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1173835912.3905.63.camel@ellipse> - Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:13:46 +0100 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Boot and other Lisps -Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 21:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 13 mars 2007 =E0 21:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: ->=20 +> > | > I see your question as suggesting that we should have the translato= r > | > honor the Lisp convention -- that would be the most logical thing t= @@ -3949,32 +3304,23 @@ his You > | have to use $variable or *variable*. Don't know what to do, force the > | user or use a more general way via a declaration. ->=20 +> > OK; I believe it is an issue we have to address. Would you prefer ->=20 +> > _*PACKAGE_* : global -- Boot, please, *PACKAGE* is global -> callingPackage :=3D _*PACKAGE_* +> callingPackage := _*PACKAGE_* > -- ... do some work ... -> _*PACKAGE_* :=3D callingPackage ->=20 +> _*PACKAGE_* := callingPackage +> > instead? Yes, why not, that could be a good idea I think. -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:12:20 -0400 (EDT) -From: "N. J. A. Sloane" -To: njas@research.att.com, Martin Rubey - <200702152035.PAA59715@fry.research.att.com> -Cc: list, njas@research.att.com -Subject: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper +From: Neil Sloane +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper Martin, @@ -4003,29 +3349,12 @@ prim$ You said I should ask axiom-developer if I ran into trouble, so I will copy this to them. This is a linux x86-64 machine. -Regards - -Neil Sloane - - Neil J. A. Sloane - AT&T Shannon Labs, Room C233, - 180 Park Avenue, Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 - Email: njas@research.att.com - Office: 973 360 8415; fax: 973 360 8178 - Home page: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/ - - - \start -To: njas@research.att.com - <200702152035.PAA59715@fry.research.att.com> - <200703160412.l2G4CKEU978344@fry.research.att.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Mar 2007 07:14:46 +0100 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper +From: Martin Rubey +To: Neil Sloane +Subject: Re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Dear Neil, Dear Waldek, @@ -4053,7 +3382,7 @@ make make install -"N. J. A. Sloane" writes: +Neil Sloane writes: > Martin, > @@ -4089,21 +3418,16 @@ make install > Neil J. A. Sloane > AT&T Shannon Labs, Room C233, > 180 Park Avenue, Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 -> Email: njas@research.att.com +> Email: Neil Sloane > Office: 973 360 8415; fax: 973 360 8178 > Home page: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/ - - - \start -Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / - paper -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:26:03 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, njas@research.att.com, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Neil Sloane > Dear Neil, Dear Waldek, > @@ -4135,25 +3459,12 @@ Also, it may be necessary to instal some devel packages -- by defaults many distributions do not intall some components needed to compile Axiom. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:03:16 -0400 From: Heow Eide-Goodman To: Tim Daly - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; - boundary="=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n" -Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:03:16 -0400 -Cc: Bill Page, - William Sit, list Subject: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! - - ---=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n +Cc: Bill Page, William Sit Once again, LispNYC would be happy to submit all Axiom related projects! @@ -4161,28 +3472,10 @@ The ideas page: http://lispnyc.org/soc.clp -- h - ---=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQBF+qOktl5UqzSuvmwRAhJQAJ0e+ieQ3FU0khI5bcptiXi9ph/rYwCg061u -5vKyP3CHi4c3gJdkjBIWSX8= -=3duR ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---=-5snwye13RmAuAs3ZGv+n-- - - - - \start -To: njas@research.att.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:26:18 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Neil Sloane Subject: Re: a small problem installing axiom! > @@ -4219,18 +3512,10 @@ AXIOM=/path_to_axiom_tree/target/x86_64-unknown-linux As Martin wrote noweb is needed inside wh-sandbox directory. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:47:08 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Creating executables which use Lisp compiler > Greetings! @@ -4279,35 +3564,13 @@ if needed. > > So the question is what is the preferred solution, in particular > > if creator of the executable should change the value of > > si::*system-directory* ? -> > -> > -- -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Heow Eide-Goodman'" Heow Eide-Goodman -Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:27:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdn0975sCTiMZAGStKAjd54K4L2vgAhSbSw -Cc: "'Page, Bill'" Bill Page, - 'William Sit' William Sit, list +From: Bill Page +To: Heow Eide-Goodman +Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! +Cc: William Sit On March 16, 2007 10:03 AM Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > @@ -4355,19 +3618,11 @@ link from your web site to our SummerOfCode2007 list. Many thanks again for continuing to think of us. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Issue 336 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:41:39 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Issue 336 Martin Rubey wrote: > If the second argument k is negative, we could return zero. However, I vaguely @@ -4399,18 +3654,11 @@ we may get nonzero limit (so limit as a function of two variables does not exist). We have discontinuity only for integer n and k such that k <= n < 0 (otherwise limit is 0). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Mar 2007 20:16:02 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 336 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 Mar 2007 20:16:02 +0100 -Cc: list Der Waldek, @@ -4462,17 +3710,11 @@ If the above limit does not exist, they are all wrong, I guess... BTW, does binomial(n,k)=binomial(n,n-k) hold always? -Martin - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 17 Mar 2007 14:21:22 -0500 -Subject: [gdr-sandbox] |shoeread-line| - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: |shoeread-line| renamed to shoeReadLine and moved from initial-env.lisp to in ptyout.boot, the only file that uses it. It is now defined in Boot, @@ -4570,35 +3812,36 @@ Make all-boot with SBCL. \start -Subject: Re: Issue 336 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:42:15 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Issue 336 Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> + > > Martin Rubey wrote: -> > > If the second argument k is negative, we could return zero. However, I vaguely -> > > remember that the definition in terms of Gamma functions does not yield this as -> > > a limit, at least not for any n. Do you happen to remember? -> > > -> > > In fact, if n=k, the definition in terms of Gamma functions always gives one, -> > > no matter whether n is negative of not... -> -> > I would tend to say that binomial(n, k) with k beeing a negative integer is -> > an error. Definition in term of Gamma functions has discontinuity there: if -> > n is non-integer and k tends to negative integer then we get 0 as a limit. -> > Now, if we keep k fixed and let n go to any value we get 0. But if we allow -> > n and k to change simultaneously we may get nonzero limit (so limit as a -> > function of two variables does not exist). We have discontinuity only for + +> > > If the second argument k is negative, we could return +> > > zero. However, I vaguely remember that the definition in terms +> > > of Gamma functions does not yield this as a limit, at least not +> > > for any n. Do you happen to remember? In fact, if n=k, the +> > > definition in terms of Gamma functions always gives one, no +> > > matter whether n is negative of not... + +> > I would tend to say that binomial(n, k) with k beeing a negative +> > integer is an error. Definition in term of Gamma functions has +> > discontinuity there: if n is non-integer and k tends to negative +> > integer then we get 0 as a limit. Now, if we keep k fixed and let +> > n go to any value we get 0. But if we allow n and k to change +> > simultaneously we may get nonzero limit (so limit as a function of +> > two variables does not exist). We have discontinuity only for > > integer n and k such that k <= n < 0 (otherwise limit is 0). -> -> I should know, but I don't: is there a sensible definition of the binomial -> coefficient which disagrees with the definition in terms of Gamma functions at -> certain values? -> + +> I should know, but I don't: is there a sensible definition of the +> binomial coefficient which disagrees with the definition in terms of +> Gamma functions at certain values? + P. Luschny argues in favour of another extension of factorial to analytic function: @@ -4678,19 +3921,11 @@ If you extend definition via continuity it still works. But if one puts some arbitrary value in point of discontinuity then such extension may break equality. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 17 Mar 2007 22:47:46 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 336 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 17 Mar 2007 22:47:46 +0100 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4812,18 +4047,11 @@ mistake, this also questions: > arbitrary value in point of discontinuity then such extension may break > equality. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:33:09 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Issue 336 - <9qabybleyl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <45FC7B75.3000803@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 18 Mar 2007 01:33:09 +0100 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4882,22 +4110,13 @@ sgcf.spad:287: if binomial$ICF (y,s) > mm then leave sgcf.spad:289: mm := mm - binomial$ICF (y-1,s) special.spad:319: cx := (-1)**m * binomial(ni,ni-mi) * factorial(ni) - - - - \start -Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! +Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:59:48 -0400 From: Heow Eide-Goodman To: Bill Page - protocol="application/pgp-signature"; - boundary="=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG" -Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:59:48 -0400 -Cc: "'Page, Bill'" Bill Page, - 'William Sit' William Sit, list - +Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! +Cc: William Sit ---=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG Great guys. @@ -4911,43 +4130,25 @@ the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators - Heow ---=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQBF/cRktl5UqzSuvmwRAlIOAJ43deaui3N6A+hK4kiMBsQFD/nORgCfbXW6 -03fjOXVkk2d3Z3nb3gXf/zs= -=M1pt ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - ---=-Of4xIHSf/AXT3hj1wYTG-- - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Heow Eide-Goodman'" Heow Eide-Goodman -Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:22:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdpsSVX+ww5a2STQIG/mhc7uyIVhAAG3QLg -Cc: "'Page, Bill'" Bill Page, list +From: Bill Page +To: Heow Eide-Goodman +Subject: RE: LispNYC is in SoC 2007! Heow, > > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SummerOfCode2007 > -=20 + On March 18, 2007 7:00 PM you wrote: > > Great guys. ->=20 -> Go ahead and sign up as mentors here, under "Registering to=20 +> +> Go ahead and sign up as mentors here, under "Registering to > Participate in the Program": ->=20 +> > http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-t= o-t @@ -4961,19 +4162,11 @@ to register - at least I did receive the message: "LispNYC.org Your Mentoring Acceptance is Pending" -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Issue 336 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:45:33 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Issue 336 Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5004,18 +4197,10 @@ is of any use. If we agree that such binomials are useless it is reasonable to make a global assumption that k >= 0 (to some degree it is similar to current assumption that variables are real). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:07:57 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Axiom package system Bill Page wrote: @@ -5046,18 +4231,10 @@ the code in a file or package. This is particularly good for cases where multiple packages outside the main Axiom tree are used together and thus one or more requirements might not be present "by default." -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:10:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdqJ56S0bP+G2h3QeiLiLtEKg+0zAAOVhHQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Axiom package system On March 19, 2007 9:08 AM C Y wrote @@ -5120,18 +4297,10 @@ you explain? Can you give an example of this in any existing package management system, e.g. Debian apt-get, RedHat Yum, etc. ? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:45:24 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom package system Bill Page wrote: @@ -5181,20 +4350,11 @@ Perhaps there are better ways of doing that, it's just an idea. Obviously it's a bit more of a development tool than a package tool, but it would help in building external packages. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:36:10 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <200702152035.PAA59715@fry.research.att.com> - <200703160412.l2G4CKEU978344@fry.research.att.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package Hi Bill, @@ -5218,16 +4378,10 @@ course is only a little organization of the current content. More work needs to be done on it. I volunteer to create binaries if a release schedule is decided. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:34:14 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Issue 338 I looked at the issue 338. It seems that we have extra porblem here. @@ -5258,22 +4412,11 @@ I am still investigating if this is a right fix. Also smprep looks inefficient and this change would make it even less efficient than it is now. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:36:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdqoOfSmu9E/IhRQ/ibNsvHGZZy5AAWhM6A -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper Alfredo, @@ -5311,21 +4454,10 @@ wide a range of hardware/operating systems as possible. I think that where it is possible, we should also include Aldor in these binaries. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: , , - "'axiom-dev'" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:50:34 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdq/xzrVXu0iUIAQ7aOeAls4+yGeg== -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Axiom Google Summer of Code Deadline This year LispNYC is offering to support Google-funded Summer of Code @@ -5348,7 +4480,7 @@ he-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants Do not hesitate if your interests do not exactly match the project proposals. All applications relevant to Lisp and Axiom will be considered. Successful applicants will earn up to $US 4,500 this -summer.=20 +summer. Regards, Bill Page. @@ -5356,19 +4488,13 @@ Bill Page. PS. Since the time is very short please advertise this offer within your department/organization as soon as possible. - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 Mar 2007 11:23:02 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -5388,20 +4514,12 @@ still called "Silver". Waldek sent a list ago (I don't have that mail right now), we should work out the details for backport. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:36:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrA1WvYx3Df5eFRReGV9ZrY3qudwAARVJg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On March 20, 2007 12:23 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -5440,23 +4558,14 @@ in a good position to do this. But with your direction I am certainly willing to help - especially in testing of the new release. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 Mar 2007 11:49:23 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On March 20, 2007 12:23 PM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -5515,19 +4624,12 @@ I would really like to the fixes Waldek implemented to the Axiom community. Today is already overbooked for me [yeah, spring break was over before it started]. But, tomorrow might be better. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:33:27 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <87wt1bzwq4.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > | From my point of view, the creation of a new "Silver" trunk is > | a little overdue. @@ -5544,19 +4646,12 @@ and greatest from Axiom? I think that Martin package and other quick patches should have been added to silver trunk directly and not to the branches. - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:35:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrDX485qvqbUg7SX2XConMpIk90gABVzrQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On March 20, 2007 12:33 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > @@ -5610,23 +4705,12 @@ much better just to re-define it as something very close to the current wh-sandbox (or build-improvements with wh-sandbox backports). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:15:48 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <007201c76b16$261f0c50$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > wh-sandbox has implemented a radically different algebra build > process that avoids many of the problems associated with the @@ -5665,18 +4749,11 @@ By the way, what should be done with Axiom@Google? If we cannot keep it up to date, I think we should remove it, especially now that the problems with sourceforge look like they have been solved. - - \start Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:01:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <007201c76b16$261f0c50$6900a8c0@asus> - - <20070320134708.gbzb82db4gowogos@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper On 3/20/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Quoting Alfredo Portes: @@ -5690,29 +4767,21 @@ On 3/20/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > future development. Have everyone agrees on a roadmap to be followed. > -I can do that. But then we cannot duplicate a directory like last time or we are -going to have the disk space problem again. But should /trunk be removed first? -If Bill agrees, I can ask Ben to repopulate like he did last time. +I can do that. But then we cannot duplicate a directory like last time +or we are going to have the disk space problem again. But should +/trunk be removed first? If Bill agrees, I can ask Ben to repopulate +like he did last time. > What? we did that last time it didn't work? Hmm, out of idea :-( The nth time should be the lucky one. :-) -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:08:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrG+VhJd2GEqKzRKGv8dVAZEUDgAABYb2g -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis On March 20, 2007 2:16 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > ... @@ -5752,22 +4821,11 @@ environment. What I would like to do is re-populate it with the new Silver (= build-improvements + wh-sandbox) minus all the history. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:16:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdrIizqY0n5lrlZSHmGHbax0/td1wAAT41Q -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper On March 20, 2007 3:01 PM Alfredo Portes > @@ -5810,24 +4868,15 @@ would prefer to reset to 0 and then simply import the source Yes, let's do it again. -Regards, -Bill Page. +\start +Date: 21 Mar 2007 11:40:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Bill Page writes: - - - -\start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Mar 2007 11:40:02 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: - -[...] +[...] | > I can do that. But then we cannot duplicate a directory like | > last time or we are going to have the disk space problem again. @@ -5850,24 +4899,16 @@ windows at the moment. However, I would like not have to spend time solving Windows specific issues. So, a single uniform code base is a must. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:24:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdrzt7fZDNA2RsmRJKjT56Cw3yNsAABcFeQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper On March 21, 2007 12:40 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -5896,17 +4937,10 @@ I vote: Yes. And I volunteer to help with both efforts in any way possible. -Regards, -Bill page. - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:39:29 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: noweb and SVN Looking at build problem (reported in private mail) I noticed @@ -5926,18 +4960,11 @@ notably with Makefile.in. I think the the most natural solution for this problem is to require already installed external noweb. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:20:36 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -Cc: list On 03/21/2007 06:39 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Looking at build problem (reported in private mail) I noticed @@ -5970,19 +4997,11 @@ not live inside the repository. That clearly gets my support. -Ralf - - - - - - \start +Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:23:03 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:23:03 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6027,17 +5046,11 @@ Let see, what the requirements would be: at least for the time being. (4) needs installed latex --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:28:26 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: noweb and SVN - <46017774.407@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:28:26 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -6068,18 +5081,11 @@ It can be worked around by first 'touch'ing noweb/src/c/*.c. I know how Tim feels about it; Bill what is your opinion? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: noweb and SVN Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:33:54 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdr3+lWABn0gb/0T4mv+JomMvVlfgABvutQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: noweb and SVN On March 21, 2007 1:39 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -6099,21 +5105,13 @@ external gcl. We can do what is necessary to warn and advise the user what to do when noweb or gcl are not found and we can supply a non-trunk copy of these in the Axiom repository. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Mar 2007 14:40:24 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: noweb and SVN -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -6132,18 +5130,12 @@ readly available noweb. I'm less enthousistic about the removal of GCL for the moment. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / - paper -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:56:01 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > wh-sandbox has implemented a radically different algebra build @@ -6166,22 +5158,14 @@ and similar to bootstrap procedure. Also, IIUC Martin's package needs various algebra fixes. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / - paper -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:15:00 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -6208,19 +5192,10 @@ get copy of Axiom repository will get all of this. (AFAIUI normal user on SourceForge can not remove anything from repository -- old versions stay there forever). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:23:33 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-combinat-devel , - aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: Emacs+ALLPROSE workaround for #line problem Versions of the Aldor compiler up to 1.0.3 (I have not actually checked @@ -6283,36 +5258,26 @@ how I can get rid of those buffers in allprose-workaround-aldor-next-error ? (global-set-key [(meta f12)] 'allprose-workaround-aldor-next-error) - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Mar 2007 22:14:08 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: spad-save - Tim -- Is there a particular reason why "spad-save" is defined in package "user", instead of "boot"? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: noweb and SVN - <87ircugzbr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Mar 2007 22:19:57 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: noweb and SVN Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | | [...] | @@ -6329,48 +5294,30 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | However, we must document the dependency and point to/put a copy of | readly available noweb. -Done. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:59:17 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: FrontPage/Google SOC The summer of code deadline has been pushed back to March 26th: http://code.google.com/soc/ - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:20:17 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: silver/gold I'm still in the process of trying to merge silver/BI/WH-sandbox. I'm currently tracking down a compiler bug that was introduced by one of the interp changes causing the compile of EXPR.spad to fail. -t - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:54:10 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: spad-save Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -6381,22 +5328,12 @@ Quoting Tim Daly: yes. The package "user" is not required to exist an ANSI comforming Lisp implementation. Therefore, we have a portability problem. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Mar 2007 13:37:31 +0100 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6423,18 +5360,10 @@ Aistleitner's AldorUnit to libaxiom. This would save us a *lot* of trouble, concerning the algebra. (More precisely, we could make it less likely that a fix breaks other things - in a *very* axiom-like manner.) -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:01:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdtZIAGPP1vl33ZSjGyGYW9mSPYiA== -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Science calls Sage a "supercomputer" In a recent widely distributed online edition of Science @@ -6498,20 +5427,11 @@ to promote our work this way? BTW, congratulations to the mathematicians of the Atlas project. In spite of the hype, this is of course a momentus result! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Justin C. Walker" Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:25:57 -0700 -To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Science calls Sage a - "supercomputer" +From: Justin Walker +To: list +Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Science calls Sage a "supercomputer" On Mar 23, 2007, at 09:01 , Bill Page wrote: @@ -6531,29 +5451,12 @@ I think that they used sage.math, not SAGE. Still, there is a bunch of hype that could be misleading, but I don't think it's a big deal. "Any publicity...", as has been often observed. -Justin - --- -Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large -Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds --------- -Men are from Earth. -Women are from Earth. - Deal with it. --------- - - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 24 Mar 2007 19:07:07 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Remove dead packages - This patch removes dead packages SCRATCHPAD_COMPILER and SPECFNSF. Furthermore, it removes "define-macro" which is not used anywhere. GCL's extension system::getenv is consistently used with @@ -7624,20 +6527,12 @@ contain Boot to Lisp translator, and Axiom interpreter and compilers. `(- ,@args)) --- 232,237 ---- - - - - \start Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:45:46 +0100 -From: Ralf Stephan +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: re: Guessing package, - was: Re: your program / paper - <007201c76b16$261f0c50$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Waldek Hebisch' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Guessing package, was: Re: your program / paper +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > wh-sandbox has implemented a radically different algebra build > process that avoids many of the problems associated with the @@ -7655,21 +6550,12 @@ and, apart from some make problems (which I reported on one of the lists), I could build it and install/run the Guess packages successfully. - -ralf - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Mar 2007 19:50:30 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] make-depsys - -Hi, - Currently build-depsys calls make-depsys to load some type information (.fn files), proclaim into ./proclaims.lisp, and load that file. Anyone who has looked at ./proclaims.lisp knows @@ -7800,15 +6686,12 @@ Built on an i686-pc-linux-gnu. (in-package "BOOT") --- 1583,1588 ---- - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:30:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org, - 'Ondrej Certik' Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] limits +Cc: Ondrej Certik Hello, @@ -7852,25 +6735,10 @@ Unfortunately, I haven't found a .pdf file of Gruntz thesis, but shouldn't we copy it to a section on http://portal.axiom-developer.org/refs ? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:58:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4603D304.4070801@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230714j1dbb551ek127668bb43e08a08@mail.gmail.com> - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Limits in Axiom Let me copy that to axiom-dev since others might jump in... @@ -7913,25 +6781,10 @@ a=X is the "multiplication by x"-operator. Then you would have D*X=X*D+1. Anyway, could you list a few more detailed requirements of the Gruntz algorithm? What is simple, what do you think is complicated? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:51:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Commutative symbols was: Re: Limits in Axiom >> However, I must say that your expression approach is limited in the @@ -7952,25 +6805,10 @@ Hmmm, I would have thought that commutativity is a property of the multiplication of the domain you are working in and not a property of a symbol. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:04:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Limits in Axiom On 03/26/2007 12:08 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -8028,30 +6866,11 @@ to include part of his thesis in an Axiom pamphlet then. Isn't there someone interested in this limit stuff? I think this is not the main thing I want to follow now. -Best regards -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke, Ondrej Certik -Subject: re: Limits in Axiom - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A8C8.10103@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Mar 2007 14:08:26 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev - - +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Ondrej Certik +Subject: re: Limits in Axiom > > For someone who knows Axiom well, it should take like a week of a work. In > > SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I had to implement many @@ -8064,25 +6883,10 @@ In fact, I'd also have some other stuff that just waits to be implemented, maybe of interest for people doing analysis, but also for combinatorialists like myself... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:36 +0000 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A8C8.10103@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Limits in Axiom > Aha. Do you have lots of testcases like that one in SymPy? @@ -8114,24 +6918,10 @@ all the tests run. So we have tests for every functionality that we want SymPy to have. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:36:19 +0000 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Commutative symbols was: Re: Limits in Axiom > Hmmm, I would have thought that commutativity is a property of the @@ -8153,24 +6943,10 @@ and when you think about it, it's actually the symbols, that have this property - either you can commute it out of the expression, or you cannot. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:08:47 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4603EB20.1010602@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703230821m68811aaet1364eccb29800b22@mail.gmail.com> - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Limits in Axiom > Ah, but that means formal power series with symbolic coefficients? Or @@ -8241,17 +7017,12 @@ work. In SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I had to implement many other things and I was spending most of the time in the series facility. -Ondrej - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Mar 2007 07:05:20 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] depsys - Hi, Currently we build four Lisp images in src/ @@ -13601,23 +12372,10 @@ is successful. ;; *) - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:02:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik - <4605A0F6.8030704@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260536n6c490369o50a702fd592c75fe@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Commutative symbols On 03/26/2007 02:36 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -13675,24 +12433,10 @@ Maybe this is not what you want... Yes, here A and B are actually matrices, not symbols. It depends on what you want. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:17:51 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260536n6c490369o50a702fd592c75fe@mail.gmail.com> - <4607E080.4010000@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Commutative symbols On 3/26/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -13850,24 +12594,10 @@ Out[15]: 2 But anyway, those are just minor details. I am sure every CAS can work with such objects in some way. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:24:49 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A595.1030300@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260536n6c490369o50a702fd592c75fe@mail.gmail.com> - <4607E080.4010000@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260817x148df754lfa912f7fee6f7585@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Commutative symbols > But matrices are different kind of objects. I was talking about just @@ -13884,82 +12614,42 @@ the relevant code (if we won't count comments and helper functions like delta and epsilon) is below 20 lines. That's what I mean when I want to have a CAS, that is easily extensible. -Ondrej - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly, "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:05:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdr0gcdIhImuUsRST6sxSsTZbgENAAAQBDgAP02QMA= -Cc: list -Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline: March - 27th +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline: March 27th Dear Axiom Developers; -Well, we are nearly at the end of the SoC application phase and so far = -we -only have one very weak but still surviving application concerning = -Groebner -Basis in Lisp (or maybe Axiom). This is very disappointing to me. :-( = -Surely +Well, we are nearly at the end of the SoC application phase and so far we +only have one very weak but still surviving application concerning Groebner +Basis in Lisp (or maybe Axiom). This is very disappointing to me. :-( Surely there are some students out there somewhere who would want to spend the -summer learning and doing something about computer algebra with Axiom! = -After +summer learning and doing something about computer algebra with Axiom! After all $US 4,500 for 3 months work is not that trivial, I think. -If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone you know = -who -might have at least some interest in this to submit a brief application = -as +If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone you know who +might have at least some interest in this to submit a brief application as soon as possible today at: In the conference this morning LispNYC agreed to wait until midnight -(Eastern Daylight Time), today, 26 March before closing the applications = -and +(Eastern Daylight Time), today, 26 March before closing the applications and final evaluation. Please do whatever you can do today to encourage more people to apply. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly, "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:09:07 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60" -Thread-Index: AcdvyHm+7FwSOKleRF6U5DLCK4rolAAALCeg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: FW: Mentor Meeting Wrapup -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60 - charset="us-ascii" - Correction: Please note the deadline: - midnight UTC (5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern) -----Original Message----- From: Heow Eide-Goodman [mailto:Heow Eide-Goodman] -Sent: March 26, 2007 1:02 PM -To: ... -Subject: Mentor Meeting Wrapup - Guys, @@ -14000,39 +12690,15 @@ Rating stops at midnight UTC (5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern). - Heow -------=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60 - name="signature.asc" - filename="signature.asc" - ------BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- -Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) - -iD8DBQBGB/xxtl5UqzSuvmwRAlcyAKCyqTXYEFrjffzHnro39g9pixOsSQCdGpNF -DgNQSg5Usm2jfgS8WnUryG8= -=qoZQ ------END PGP SIGNATURE----- - -------=_NextPart_000_036F_01C76FA7.FB981C60-- - - - - - -\start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - Tim Daly, "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:14:51 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdr0gcdIhImuUsRST6sxSsTZbgENAAAQBDgAP02QMAAAIO3AA== -Cc: list -Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline +\start +Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:14:51 -0400 +From: Bill Page +To: Bill Page, Tim Daly, Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: SoC mentors and application deadline On March 26, 2007 1:06 PM I wrote: > ... -> If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone=20 +> If you can spare any time immediately today to invite anyone > you know who might have at least some interest in this to submit > a brief application as soon as possible today at: > ... @@ -14041,63 +12707,38 @@ I intended to also provide this link to the online Google Summer of Code application form: -http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-t= -o-t -he-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants - -=20 -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - +http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-student-applicants \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:47:05 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Limits in Axiom - <85b5c3130703250920g8f2c3e9ie0f3b71e7706158f@mail.gmail.com> - <4606AD0C.6040506@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251027y389042eai9070c79809790190@mail.gmail.com> - <4606E545.1050707@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703251416k338ce2f8n10edb7a70c76eb19@mail.gmail.com> - <46078B36.3020708@hemmecke.de> - <85b5c3130703260308s724cf5b1u3a9b5e56433af95b@mail.gmail.com> - <4607A8C8.10103@hemmecke.de> <9qbqiggqbp.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev On 26 Mar 2007 14:08:26 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> -> > > For someone who knows Axiom well, it should take like a week of a work. In -> > > SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I had to implement many -> > > other things and I was spending most of the time in the series facility. -> -> So, if you get help from an expert Axiom programmer :-), would you be prepared -> to do it? If not, what would it take to get you interested? -> + +> > > For someone who knows Axiom well, it should take like a week of +> > > a work. In SymPy I was doing it I think like 3 weeks, because I +> > > had to implement many other things and I was spending most of +> > > the time in the series facility. + +> So, if you get help from an expert Axiom programmer :-), would you +> be prepared to do it? If not, what would it take to get you +> interested? + > In fact, I'd also have some other stuff that just waits to be implemented, > maybe of interest for people doing analysis, but also for combinatorialists > like myself... - Well, I also have many nice ideas for SymPy. But currently, I don't have much time even for SymPy either, but fortunately, I hopefully got some students interested, so I am curious how all this turns out. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:55:40 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke - <4607848E.7020701@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] limits > Unfortunately, I haven't found a .pdf file of Gruntz thesis, but @@ -14106,17 +12747,12 @@ http://sympy.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/gruntz.pdf Ondrej - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Mar 2007 11:05:40 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: depsys and SBCL - -Hello, - In my local tree, I was able to eventually twist Axiom to get it compilable by SBCL. During that process, I unconvered various dubious practices in the current system (mainly between vmlisp.lisp and @@ -14153,15 +12789,10 @@ is more widely uniform. This is a change for people connecting Axiom to Aldor through FOAM. Please speak up. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:37:22 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Axiom startup Paul Graham, a noted lisper, has an interesting web page up @@ -14200,17 +12831,10 @@ of an investment chain. But he has again "raised an ache" for doing Axiom full time. -Sigh. - -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:04:30 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: CAS for the masses Gaby writes: @@ -14252,16 +12876,11 @@ This is the primary reason why it makes no sense to "export" an equation from Axiom and the "import" it again. Much is lost when the type is removed in favor of the text iconic representation. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 28 Mar 2007 03:35:00 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Mar 2007 03:35:00 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -14311,15 +12930,10 @@ obscure type system. yes, but they ar ento yet in Axiom, so it is hard to make concrete arrguments with it :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:38:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: patch for binomial coefficient / bug 336 I just did svn up, many thanks for including the patches. However, for some @@ -14411,16 +13025,11 @@ Index: combfunc.spad.pamphlet iibinom l == (r1 := retractIfCan(first l)@Union(R,"failed")) case "failed" or - - - \start +Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:45:53 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Examples for good types - <87ejn96a17.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:45:53 +0200 -Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org Dear all, @@ -14469,19 +13078,11 @@ Schur function corresponding to the partition $(1,1)$: 2 2 Type: SymmetricPolynomial Fraction Integer - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:53:02 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) Dear Waldek, @@ -14788,20 +13389,11 @@ indeed, ALIST.NRLIB is missing, although many other NRLIB's are present: ./int/algebra/FDIVCAT-.NRLIB ./int/algebra/FFCAT-.NRLIB -Please help, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:56:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <87ejn96a17.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: > | The usual example is: > | @@ -14835,17 +13427,12 @@ I've just cooked up another one... (5) -> (5) 0 - - - \start +Date: 28 Mar 2007 04:17:12 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Mar 2007 04:17:12 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14876,16 +13463,12 @@ encountered with the Lisp translator/compiler. Could you look at the build log, especially build/i686-pc-linux-gnu/trace (assuming you're running GNU/Linux and your laptop is x86 based?) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:48 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > The usual example is: > @@ -14918,17 +13501,12 @@ Fraction Integer or Fraction Polynomial Integer? Because having the expression in the form of the 4 basic classes (Add, Mul, Pow, Integer), everything else can be easily inferred from this. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:50:19 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 03/28/2007 12:29 PM, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> The usual example is: @@ -14984,26 +13562,19 @@ The solution in Q[x] is... *no solution*. Do you see that there is a difference. -Ralf - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 12:59:15 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Advantage of Types and different - representations +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: Advantage of Types and different representations +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear all, Please reply to axiom-math@nongnu.org. -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: > > 2 > > 3x + 2x + 18 @@ -15044,20 +13615,12 @@ I should add: it is indeed useful to have such a representation, too. (called: ExpressionTree). Many things are easier to do with ExpressionTrees. But even better is to have both, as we do in Axiom/Aldor. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) - <87648l682v.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:01:57 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Dear Gaby, @@ -15098,21 +13661,14 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > > Could you look at the build log, especially build/i686-pc-linux-gnu/trace > (assuming you're running GNU/Linux and your laptop is x86 based?) -> -> -- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Mar 2007 06:19:10 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > The usual example is: | > @@ -15201,18 +13757,11 @@ as control over which operations can be meaningfully applied to the objects. Again, I refer back to Luca Cardelli's paper about the value of types in software development. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:42:26 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <85b5c3130703280329t7c81ed73g85ef47289180e02e@mail.gmail.com> - <87ps6t4nv5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list Hi, those are arguments for using types, I understand that. @@ -15235,7 +13784,7 @@ This would make sense to me, and we could do it in SymPy as well. Ondrej On 28 Mar 2007 06:19:10 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Ondrej Certik" writes: +> Ondrej Certik writes: > > | > The usual example is: > | > @@ -15323,23 +13872,13 @@ On 28 Mar 2007 06:19:10 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > as control over which operations can be meaningfully applied to the > objects. Again, I refer back to Luca Cardelli's paper about the value > of types in software development. -> -> -- Gaby -> - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) - <87648l682v.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qejn9pr6i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:28:19 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey writes: @@ -16197,17 +14736,12 @@ Time: 0.31 SEC. (1) -> - - - \start -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:46:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -16255,34 +14789,26 @@ the target/i686-pc-linux/algebra directory and also copy it to code.o file (if all files related to ISUPS are in place and look up to date make should go on to the next file). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:10:12 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Hello, ->=20 +> > In my local tree, I was able to eventually twist Axiom to get it > compilable by SBCL. During that process, I unconvered various dubious > practices in the current system (mainly between vmlisp.lisp and > macro.lisp). SBCL will accept to compile depsys only if I tell it to > ignore many redefinitions of Common Lisp symbols (I'll discuss that in > a separate message). ->=20 +> > CLISP almost compiles SBCL -- it errors out on def.lisp saying > that there is an illegal character #\Stx in the source file -- I have > no idea of what that means. If I omit def.lisp, the depsys -> compiles fine --=20 +> compiles fine -- Hmm... I forgot to add this issue to my TODO list. I temporary followed how GCL behaves i.e omit it. I was/am pretty sure this is incorrect but @@ -16303,20 +14829,20 @@ must be done carefully). No idea. > Ah, one more thing: Currently, there is this dubious definition in -> foam_l.lisp:=20 ->=20 +> foam_l.lisp: +> > #+:AKCL > (deftype |DFlo| () t) > #-:AKCL > (deftype |DFlo| () 'long-float) ->=20 +> > followed by ->=20 +> > (defconstant |DFloInit| (the |DFlo| 0.0d0)) ->=20 +> > which is an error because 0.0d0 is not long-float -- rather a double-fl= oat. ->=20 +> > Looking more at this, I think the |DFlo| should not be conditional. I don't know why the Aldor implementers used the t type to define DFlo @@ -16350,15 +14876,10 @@ Greg a 32 bit CMUCL in a 64 bit environment (64 bits aldor) [1] This is, apparently, a generated file (from a as file). - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:03:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: aldor-l , axiom-dev -Cc: +To: list Subject: kTuple wish The following text describes a weakness of the Aldor language. @@ -16530,29 +15051,18 @@ but if S maps everything to the same domain, should it reject it? I'd rather live with "rejection", but since I am not a compiler developer, I would like to hear people with more inside. -Thank you in advance - -Ralf - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" , - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: CAS for the masses Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:19:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdxLiz0hwTqohhYSjaS1qFtZnD7LQAF+DOw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: CAS for the masses On March 28, 2007 7:42 AM Ondrej Certik wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Expression tree (Add, Mul,...) are very low level types, and > you have many algorithms, that work with high level types like > Polynomial, Fraction, ODE, DAE, PDE, etc. I understand that. ->=20 +> I think that there may be two problems with this discussion so far. @@ -16579,8 +15089,8 @@ complex numbers something like the following: class Complex: "Example to demonstrate SPAD equivalent of Python Classes" def __init__(self, realpart, imagpart): - self.r =3D realpart - self.i =3D imagpart + self.r = realpart + self.i = imagpart def real(self): return self.r def imag(self): @@ -16602,8 +15112,8 @@ class Complex: self.real()*b.imag() + self.imag()*b.real()) ### ->>> x =3D Complex(3.0, -4.5) ->>> y =3D Complex(-2.0, 5.4) +>>> x = Complex(3.0, -4.5) +>>> y = Complex(-2.0, 5.4) >>> print x 3.0 - i 4.5 >>> print x+y @@ -16633,21 +15143,21 @@ ComplexSpad(): with _+: (%,%) -> % ++ __add__ in Python _*: (%,%) -> % ++ __mul__ in Python coerce: % -> OutputForm ++ __str__ in Python - =3D=3D add - Rep =3D=3D> Record(r:Float,i:Float) + == add + Rep ==> Record(r:Float,i:Float) import Rep, OutputForm, Symbol - new(realpart:Float,imagpart:Float):% =3D=3D [realpart,imagpart] = + new(realpart:Float,imagpart:Float):% == [realpart,imagpart] = pretend % - coerce(x:Float):% =3D=3D new(x,0) - real(x:%):Float =3D=3D (x pretend Rep).r - imag(x:%):Float =3D=3D (x pretend Rep).i - _+(x:%, y:%):% =3D=3D + coerce(x:Float):% == new(x,0) + real(x:%):Float == (x pretend Rep).r + imag(x:%):Float == (x pretend Rep).i + _+(x:%, y:%):% == new(real(x)+real(y), imag(x)+imag(y)) - _*(x:%, y:%):% =3D=3D + _*(x:%, y:%):% == new(real(x)*real(y) - imag(x)*imag(y), real(x)*imag(y) + imag(x)*real(y)) - coerce(x:%):OutputForm =3D=3D=20 + coerce(x:%):OutputForm == if imag(x)<0 then real(x)::OutputForm - outputForm("i"::Symbol) * (-imag(x))::OutputForm @@ -16671,11 +15181,11 @@ Documents/complex.spad Then we may use this new domain like this: -(1) -> x :=3D new(3.0, -4.5)$ComplexSpad +(1) -> x := new(3.0, -4.5)$ComplexSpad (1) 3.0 - i 4.5 Type: ComplexSpad -(2) -> y :=3D new(-2.0, 5.4)$ComplexSpad +(2) -> y := new(-2.0, 5.4)$ComplexSpad (2) - 2.0 + i 5.4 Type: ComplexSpad @@ -16716,7 +15226,7 @@ http://docs.python.org/tut/node11.html For Python programmers the best introduction to domains and categories in Axiom is probably the Axiom book: -http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/book2.pdf#page=3D940 +http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/public/book2.pdf#page=940 You might want to consult the Aldor user's guide: @@ -16778,31 +15288,23 @@ a large number of special functions. > A place that occurs to me to do it is just right after the > evaluation to the canonical form: ->=20 +> > like Add(x,x) automatically converts to Mul(2,x) and here, at > this place, the CAS would check the expression and says: hey - > the Mul(2,x) is a polynomial, let's return a Polynomial class > instead. ->=20 +> > This would make sense to me, and we could do it in SymPy as well. ->=20 +> I think what Axiom is doing is very different. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:03:20 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -16835,16 +15337,10 @@ Cannot create the file FAMR2.erlib/index.KAF. (Note that FAMR2 does *not* depend on SUPEXPR...) -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:28:29 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: new problem compiling wh-sandbox Martin, @@ -16868,16 +15364,12 @@ apply each one, and then fully check the system. It is a slow, tedious process and, unfortunately, won't have results in time for your needs. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:11:00 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Tim Daly writes: @@ -16912,13 +15404,6 @@ I'm glad that you are doing this! Don't worry, I found a well-working workaround: ssh -X aquin, where I have a working system. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - Below part of the "gseries.as.nw" test file. Note that the machinery of AldorUnit automatically creates a file "gseries.signatures.as", which contains the signatures necessary to compile "gseries.as". @@ -16996,16 +15481,12 @@ testComposeBell(): () == { @ %TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:40:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox - <9qtzw4bhbf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, list +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Hello, @@ -17102,20 +15583,11 @@ Ralf > } > @ > %TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:10:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Bug? Am I doing something wrong? @@ -17155,14 +15627,12 @@ MyRing ==> with ---END abc.input - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:32:04 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <00dc01c771ca$2c707b10$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Thanks for your explanation - I didn't know there is a distinction between symbolic manipulation (computation) and computer algebra @@ -17414,21 +15884,12 @@ On 3/29/07, Bill Page wrote: > > > > I think what Axiom is doing is very different. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:20:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:20:36 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -17443,16 +15904,11 @@ from wh-sandbox in build-improvements. Do you have initial guesses? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:26:42 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:26:42 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -17487,18 +15943,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: I may be wrong but I don't think the "Input" language supports category, domains and package expressions. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Bug? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:29:17 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdx8quysN3tCEBHRXOciz1eHX0LLgAGjp6A -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Bug? On March 29, 2007 7:10 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -17542,20 +15991,12 @@ named 'abc.spad' and you enter the command: Or do I misunderstand your intentions? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, - rev 470 (urgent...) -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:37:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox, rev 470 (urgent...) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17615,20 +16056,11 @@ I think this is normal The only regularity I see is that your problems involve system calls. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: new problem compiling wh-sandbox Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:40:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdyDYXnZJWzrIvnSeG6+SLIFRkkeQAATNTg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly +Subject: RE: new problem compiling wh-sandbox On March 29, 2007 10:21 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -17672,21 +16104,13 @@ and the build completes normally. I am not sure whether this is related to Martin and Tim's problem or not but it is my initial guess. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:47:33 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On March 29, 2007 10:21 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -17740,53 +16164,42 @@ Anyway, it is useful configuration information to have. Did we have Axiom buildable with another Lisp system we would have a different angle from which to attack the issue... --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bug? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:48:42 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bug? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | The interpreter does not directly support | the notation for categories, domains or packages. Yes, and I consider that a bug. But, I've already said that. :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:05:48 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: -| Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit :=20 +| Le mardi 27 mars 2007 =E0 11:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : | > Hello, -| >=20 +| > | > In my local tree, I was able to eventually twist Axiom to get it | > compilable by SBCL. During that process, I unconvered various dubious | > practices in the current system (mainly between vmlisp.lisp and | > macro.lisp). SBCL will accept to compile depsys only if I tell it to | > ignore many redefinitions of Common Lisp symbols (I'll discuss that in | > a separate message). -| >=20 +| > | > CLISP almost compiles SBCL -- it errors out on def.lisp saying | > that there is an illegal character #\Stx in the source file -- I have | > no idea of what that means. If I omit def.lisp, the depsys -| > compiles fine --=20 -|=20 +| > compiles fine -- +| | Hmm... I forgot to add this issue to my TODO list. I temporary followed | how GCL behaves i.e omit it. I was/am pretty sure this is incorrect but | as far as I know this part of code is not used. I just commented out @@ -17798,7 +16211,7 @@ Hi Greg, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. | >I have not tried the resulting translator however. -|=20 +| | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(function | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and this | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find in @@ -17809,28 +16222,28 @@ I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' work? | > This is just a head up. If you know anything about the illegal | > character \#Stx, please let me know. -|=20 +| | No idea. OK. | > Ah, one more thing: Currently, there is this dubious definition in -| > foam_l.lisp:=20 -| >=20 +| > foam_l.lisp: +| > | > #+:AKCL | > (deftype |DFlo| () t) | > #-:AKCL | > (deftype |DFlo| () 'long-float) -| >=20 +| > | > followed by -| >=20 +| > | > (defconstant |DFloInit| (the |DFlo| 0.0d0)) -| >=20 +| > | > which is an error because 0.0d0 is not long-float -- rather a double-fl= oat. -| >=20 +| > | > Looking more at this, I think the |DFlo| should not be conditional. -|=20 +| | I don't know why the Aldor implementers used the t type to define DFlo | on AKCL and since we do not have access to the Aldor source code it's | difficult to know why. There are other issues in this file, for example @@ -17853,7 +16266,7 @@ I have not installed Aldor on my machine. | > -- it fits more in most modern FPU and its underyling representation | > is more widely uniform. | > This is a change for people connecting Axiom to Aldor through FOAM. -|=20 +| | I totally agree, this should be done everywhere (in the algebra too: | DFLOAT.spad). From what I know the Lisp double-float type is generally a | hardware float (see for example @@ -17863,18 +16276,12 @@ I have not installed Aldor on my machine. OK. Thanks for your feedback. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" -Subject: RE: CAS for the masses Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:13:48 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdx/kLRpkRl+vw6SbKzQJKZLdSG0QAEeZ1g -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: RE: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On March 29, 2007 8:32 AM Ondrej Certik wrote: > @@ -17934,21 +16341,11 @@ some form of type reflection, e.g. isinstance. Because of this the claim is that it is diffcult (but maybe not impossible) to write efficient generic code in the current versions of Python. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Bug? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:32:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcdyEyyBszbUpVeQT7SFLTvUtnBEdAAA0YvQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Bug? On March 29, 2007 11:03 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -17982,18 +16379,10 @@ I think what you were trying to show is easily possible. Yes please reproduce on another SandBox page and a little later today I will see if I can solve the problem. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:46:15 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: root cause the "root cause" of the failure is unknown, but it first @@ -18002,15 +16391,10 @@ these seemed to be ok but they might have triggered another bug somewhere else. so far i've been unsuccessful in finding the bug so i've started over. -t - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:51:52 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: aldorunit vs regression tests the AldorUnit package is testing algebra functions for correct results. @@ -18023,32 +16407,22 @@ a correct result and an incorrect result. only different results matter. regression testing is much weaker than unit testing but attacks the problem at hand, i.e. does this break something? -t - - - \start -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> <87k5x0xf77.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:54:41 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 10:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : [...] -> |=20 -> | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(funct= -ion -> | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and thi= -s +> | +> | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(function +> | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and this > | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find in -> | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (th= -at +> | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (that > | must be done carefully). ->=20 -> I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' wo= -rk? +> +> I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' work? Here are the Juergen Weiss sources: @@ -18058,22 +16432,11 @@ and mine http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-cl.tar.gz - -Greg - - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> <87k5x0xf77.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1175183682.7925.3.camel@ellipse> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:04:45 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL And see also this message if you want to build it: @@ -18081,48 +16444,31 @@ http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00202.html (this version is very handy when you want to debug Axiom) -Greg - - Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 17:54 +0200, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : > Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 10:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > [...] -> > |=20 -> > | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(fun= -ction -> > | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and t= -his -> > | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find i= -n -> > | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (= -that +> > | +> > | Did you modify the "funcalled symbols" FUNCALL('FOO) -> FUNCALL(function +> > | (foo)) as done by Juergen Weiss ? I based my work on his work and this +> > | version does not contain all the src/interp file that we can find in +> > | Gold. Adding a new file is always difficult because of this issue (that > > | must be done carefully). -> >=20 -> > I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' = -work? ->=20 +> > +> > I did not get into that issue -- and where can I find Juergen Weiss' work? +> > Here are the Juergen Weiss sources: ->=20 +> > http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/weiss/axiom_cmu.tgz ->=20 +> > and mine ->=20 +> > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-cl.tar.gz ->=20 ->=20 -> Greg ->=20 - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:13:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Bug? -Cc: list >> Do you want me to repoduce the behaviour on the Sandbox? >> @@ -18146,22 +16492,13 @@ A: with {foo: % -> %} with == add {...} Well, it looks weird, but I think the language definition doesn't forbid that. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:13:03 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> <87k5x0xf77.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1175183682.7925.3.camel@ellipse> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Quoting Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem: +Quoting Gregory Vanuxem: > Le jeudi 29 mars 2007 =E0 10:05 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > [...] @@ -18186,21 +16523,12 @@ k? > http://perso.orange.fr/parabola/axiom-cl.tar.gz > -Thanks. - --- Gaby - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:02:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hallo Bill, @@ -18215,18 +16543,11 @@ defined at compile time in aldor". Already Aldor's ability to write domain-constructing functions is a counter example. But you probably meant something else. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 19:37:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: kTuple wish -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Mar 2007 19:37:00 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l - -Dear Ralf, Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18277,18 +16598,11 @@ understand either, in fact: () @ PrimitiveType Comp: 0 msec, Interp: 30 msec -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:39:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: kTuple wish - <9qejn8c5oj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , aldor-l On 03/29/2007 07:37 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Ralf, @@ -18320,44 +16634,21 @@ String, but rather a t so that t: T. Try to show me such a t. And then try to convince me that it is a Tuple. -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 22:05:02 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: kTuple wish - <9qejn8c5oj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <460C07CD.2010904@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Mar 2007 22:05:02 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - aldor-combinat-devel , - aldor-l - -Dear Ralf, I cannot find the mail anymore in which you explained why you want to have several labeltypes for multisort species. I think the argument was because of functorial composition, but I cannot remember well... -Maybe you could repeat. - -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:21:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18407,19 +16698,11 @@ anonymous categories. I guess once Aldor becomes open source we could classify this as a bug. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:24:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Bug? -Cc: list > But Integer has Ring so if you add 3 new functions to Complex2, 1, = > and characteristic() then both Integer and Complex2 can satisfy Ring. @@ -18443,19 +16726,11 @@ So if SPAD cannot handle anonymous categories and is seems it cannot http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxNoAnonymousCategoryMacro then this is a bug even without free Aldor. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:04:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18498,21 +16773,11 @@ _ and now it compiles. http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxNoAnonymousCategoryMacro/diff -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start +Date: 29 Mar 2007 18:37:34 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Mar 2007 18:37:34 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18544,18 +16809,10 @@ It appears to me that you're confusing the Spad language and the language you can use at the interpreter level (i.e. in ".input" files). --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:07:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: domains with parameters versus Python classes Ralf, @@ -18571,21 +16828,13 @@ For Python developers this might be interpreted as an argument in favor of Python and against Aldor/Spad. So I think we need to find another more convincing example. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Mar 2007 22:12:24 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Ralf, | @@ -18602,26 +16851,15 @@ Cc: list Just be aware that that is a slippery slot... --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:30:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > | See: > | @@ -18653,20 +16891,12 @@ or are developing the skills to program in Axiom. If Axiom (and Aldor) has a future, I think we have to find some way to interest even a small share of that talent. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:01:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <460BF12D.3010008@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18704,24 +16934,11 @@ and the module 'new' here: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-new.html -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:49:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes Quoting Bill Page: @@ -18779,18 +16996,11 @@ Spad 20 years later.". Of course there is more to it than that but I still think a comparison between Axiom's Spad and Aldor versus Python is a useful exercise. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:58:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bug? - <87y7lfvcxt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | > we could classify this as a bug. :-) > | @@ -18819,17 +17029,12 @@ CardinalNumber: Join(OrderedSet, AbelianMonoid, Monoid, where the escape mechanism is by double quotes will go away in the future, since it looks too string-like. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:28:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <20070330000107.zu6bvx6cu88wcwgc@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, list +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 03/30/2007 06:01 AM, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -18970,19 +17175,12 @@ Then certainly 'extend' is possible in Python although not at compile-time. With a bit of work one can also achieve arbitrarily many instances of Complex2(Integer). I think one just has to wrap the creation by a function. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:46:25 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <460BF12D.3010008@hemmecke.de> - <20070330000107.zu6bvx6cu88wcwgc@webmail.anikast.ca> - <460CAE2B.4070201@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:46:25 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -18999,17 +17197,10 @@ generatingSeries()$B and keep in mind that "Plus(Self, Times(Self, Self))" is a String! -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:30:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes On 03/30/2007 05:07 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -19090,19 +17281,11 @@ nasty) to create an element which is *not* sorted. But I guess, that is not a convincing argument to Python programmers. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:00:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -19280,17 +17463,11 @@ Yes, but that is not what '__new__' does. It creates whatever class you tell it to create at run-time. During the execution of the program you can add new properties and methods to the class. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:41:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -Cc: list On 03/30/2007 11:00 AM, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -19472,16 +17649,12 @@ No, but is that possible in Python? Right, modifying a domain by adding or removing functions from it is not possible in Aldor. Is this good or bad or just different? -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:00:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > You are right that I did not state this properly. Of course we can @@ -19505,22 +17678,12 @@ runtime activities would be useless). I think that biggest problem in impementing 'extend' is to provide sane behaviour during redefinition. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:17:02 +0000 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > But the point of this exercise for me is still to present Spad > for Python programmers - not really an argument for or against @@ -19563,19 +17726,12 @@ Aldor, as I think it's not wise and you also think that Python is not wise (otherwise you would already used it), thus I want to understand and point out each other's arguments. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:20:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, 'Gabriel - Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -19609,19 +17765,11 @@ of a Spad program? Is is possible without calling low-level Lisp functions? I thought Aldor 'extend' only produced new loadable object code during compilation. Is that wrong? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:33:48 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bug? - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> <87y7lfvcxt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <460C98F1.6050501@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:33:48 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -19638,21 +17786,13 @@ Well, you wanted the interpreter to swallow something that can be used only in the compiler. And if you were aware that they were different languages, what did you expect? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <20070330004902.58jq8wnoiu0c8c4w@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:35:16 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -19666,17 +17806,11 @@ Cc: list I believe Guido was aware of Scratchpad. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:40:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: CAS for the masses - <460CF776.7070706@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:40:02 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -19685,23 +17819,13 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Yes, and it is important that Rep does not change at whim. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 08:44:27 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > But the point of this exercise for me is still to present Spad | > for Python programmers - not really an argument for or against @@ -19742,19 +17866,13 @@ Anyway, I find the idea of luring Python developers into Axiom by showing them how you can write Spad/Aldor programs in Python and vice versa very, let say, curious. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 09:20:21 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: [...] @@ -19769,25 +17887,11 @@ Have a loot at line 368 in src/interp/def.lisp.pamphlet. There are two uses of character Conotrol-B there (at least that is what Emacs shows me). I'm curious about what could have been intended. Tim? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:19:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -19826,26 +17930,13 @@ might also be a good thing. Could you elaborate on why you say it is "very, let say, curious"? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 10:49:11 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: | @@ -19939,16 +18030,12 @@ suggests that there is a problem with Axiom and Spad users who might be leaving in a black hole, but I don't believe the solution to that problem is what I've seen in this thread. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:59:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -20003,18 +18090,11 @@ but Axiom runtime apparently supports it. BTW: My comment is specifically about Axiom, I do not know if Aldor is different here. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:17:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:17:52 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -20033,27 +18113,14 @@ we would like the direct use of assembly instructions reduced the bare minimum. We should augment Spad with constructs that we think are missing. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:52:11 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 30 Mar 2007 10:49:11 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: > | @@ -20071,22 +18138,11 @@ On 30 Mar 2007 10:49:11 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Funny enough, the python webpage used to have something similar to show the similarities with Lisp :-). - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:03:15 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | Not only do we want the program to be correct but we also > | want it to accurately reflect or represent the formal structure @@ -20114,28 +18170,12 @@ where we disagree - why don't we then just use a language which is the most popular? (It doesn't have to be Python, it can be Ruby, or any other, but I think Python is the most popular). -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:21:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Alfredo Portes: @@ -20182,16 +18222,10 @@ Second: it adds some credibility to the idea that an introduction to SPAD for Python programmers might be beneficial for both Axiom and Python developers. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:39:41 -0600 -To: ondreg@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: python vs lisp Python has one major flaw, suffered by all of the lisp-with-parens @@ -20209,16 +18243,10 @@ slices and dices the code in many structural ways. You COULD do this in Python but you'd get a factor of 10 expansion because you'd need parsers and compilers for the various intermediate mini-languages. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:59:30 -0600 -To: ondreg@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: static vs dynamic typing I don't believe that the issue is types at all, neither static @@ -20239,17 +18267,10 @@ this kind of pain when they start mixing user packages. That's not to say that Axiom gets it right, but at least it tries. - -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:00:40 -0600 -To: ondreg@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: life and death For a few years I maintained a CD collection called Rosetta. @@ -20278,32 +18299,13 @@ So the issue isn't really python-vs-spad. The issue is whether you care to spend your time writing code that will die or code that will live. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:02:06 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Ondrej Certik -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <460C3C8C.7030602@hemmecke.de> - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list - -Quoting Ondrej Certik : +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes +Quoting Ondrej Certik: > I agree witht the arguments that you presented. Especially with > "There are very @@ -20323,27 +18325,11 @@ couple of years ago, there would be about 9 millions programmers on the planet, out of which 3 millions are claimed to be C++ programmers. --- Gaby - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:30:46 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > > I agree witht the arguments that you presented. Especially with > > "There are very @@ -20375,16 +18361,11 @@ anything of these: number of endusers, number of developers, number of compilers/interpreters, number of jobs offerings (demaning a knowledge of the particular language),...... -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:41:58 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: life and death -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz > I find it frustrating to watch yet-another-CAS being born. > There are 30 years and hundreds of man-years invested in a @@ -20415,31 +18396,13 @@ opinions on this issue, but I really think that what is needed is a CAS that could be used as a library in some major language. And I fear that Axiom couldn't easily be used this way. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:44:31 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Ondrej Certik -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python - classes - <20070329230710.7lf37r080k9wkgs0@webmail.anikast.ca> - <87odmbv2zr.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list - -Quoting Ondrej Certik : +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes + +Quoting Ondrej Certik: >> By the way, how do you measure popularity? By numbers published a >> couple of years ago, there would be about 9 millions programmers @@ -20460,27 +18423,11 @@ that would make me qualify Aldor as higher level than C++. Notice that I'm specifically talking of C++, not an imaginary C/C++. --- Gaby - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:50:10 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > I'm sorry to say but in my experience, I don't see Python, Ruby, C# > being higher level than C++. The thing that distinguishes Aldor @@ -20493,18 +18440,12 @@ Well, at least Python and Ruby are much higher level than C++ (there are lists, dictionaries, garbage collector, no pointers, it's dynamic, etc.). And also many times slower. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:00:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: python vs lisp - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz +Cc: Ondrej Certik Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -20548,16 +18489,10 @@ unpickle: Pickeling and unpickeling quite efficient. It is used for example in the Zope database that we use for the Axiom wiki website. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:14:55 -0600 -To: ondrej@certik.cz -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: SymPy code Is your python algebra code available? @@ -20565,16 +18500,12 @@ It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad and see a head-to-head comparison. And, as a major side-effect, increase the range of Axiom -Tim - - - \start +Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:14:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: static vs dynamic typing -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:14:24 -0500 -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz +Cc: Ondrej Certik Tim Daly writes: @@ -20585,19 +18516,13 @@ Tim Daly writes: Yes, the fundamental issue is that of scale. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: life and death - <85b5c3130703301241t44f80394t13e89ea413ef62c0@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:17:36 -0500 -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: life and death -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: [...] @@ -20609,16 +18534,11 @@ Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz Axiom can and should be made interoperating with languages like C++ or Lisp, which is a good starting gate to other galaxies. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly, Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: SymPy code -To: Tim Daly, ondrej@certik.cz -Cc: list Is this it? @@ -20630,44 +18550,14 @@ http://code.google.com/p/sympy/ > It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad > and see a head-to-head comparison. And, as a major side-effect, > increase the range of Axiom -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <20070329233016.kzkanpe0k5pck8wg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <85b5c3130703300417v7468711mae543bc0bb110f24@mail.gmail.com> - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:24:13 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > I'm sorry to say but in my experience, I don't see Python, Ruby, C# | > being higher level than C++. The thing that distinguishes Aldor @@ -20692,16 +18582,11 @@ easly interfacing with Python -- check out Boost.Python from Boost. Let's our ignorance not interfer with reality. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: SymPy code -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:01:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: SymPy code > Is your python algebra code available? > It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad @@ -20720,27 +18605,11 @@ However it looks that SymPy code ignores many real-life issues: Especially determining sign in presence of parameters is troublesome (undecidable). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:26:30 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> - <873b3mzdhu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > I don't know which C++ you're talking about, but the one that I use on > daily basis and work on has lists (std::list), dictionaries (std::map, @@ -20765,17 +18634,11 @@ Of course you can program in OO way in C as well, because programming is just one, no matter which language you use, but Python is much higher level than C++, I think noone really doubts about it. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:31:24 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: SymPy code - -Cc: list Yes, SymPy is here: @@ -20807,22 +18670,12 @@ On 3/30/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > Especially determining sign in presence of parameters is troublesome > (undecidable). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:46:26 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: life and death - <85b5c3130703301241t44f80394t13e89ea413ef62c0@mail.gmail.com> - <87abxuzdsv.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list, ondreg@certik.cz Is it possible to use Axiom from C++? Then it could also be used from Python. But I fear that the only easy way of doing it is through @@ -20831,7 +18684,7 @@ Python. But I fear that the only easy way of doing it is through Ondrej On 30 Mar 2007 15:17:36 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Ondrej Certik" writes: +> Ondrej Certik writes: > > [...] > @@ -20842,17 +18695,11 @@ On 30 Mar 2007 15:17:36 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Axiom can and should be made interoperating with languages like C++ or > Lisp, which is a good starting gate to other galaxies. -> -> -- Gaby -> - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:52:02 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SymPy code I would like to see a head-to-head comparison. If you need some help @@ -20865,30 +18712,14 @@ On 3/30/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > It might be an interesting exercise to rewrite it into spad > and see a head-to-head comparison. And, as a major side-effect, > increase the range of Axiom -> -> Tim -> - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <87wt0yu9qc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070330111959.vuqj7leu2i0ow4kg@webmail.anikast.ca> - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> - <873b3mzdhu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301526x42c172dah238b3362e824fe03@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Mar 2007 20:47:29 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: | > I don't know which C++ you're talking about, but the one that I use on | > daily basis and work on has lists (std::list), dictionaries (std::map, @@ -20923,16 +18754,10 @@ Now, you're elevating the properties of a particular library to that of a language and language library. I'll refrain from qualifying that process and leave it at that. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:22:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: SymPy on Axiom Wiki Axiom Developers; @@ -20964,33 +18789,25 @@ enter text of the new page. If you use 'SandBox' as the prefix of the name, your changes and experiments will not be sent out as email to the wiki subscribers. Be Bold. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL - <1175119812.3304.62.camel@ellipse> - <87mz1uu82i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Mar 2007 02:01:14 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: depsys and SBCL Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: -|=20 +| Gregory Vanuxem writes: +| | [...] -|=20 +| | | > This is just a head up. If you know anything about the illegal | | > character \#Stx, please let me know. -| |=20 +| | | | No idea. -|=20 +| | I believe I nailed down where the error is coming from. -|=20 +| | Have a loot at line 368 in src/interp/def.lisp.pamphlet. There are two | uses of character Conotrol-B there (at least that is what Emacs shows | me). I'm curious about what could have been intended. Tim? @@ -21054,37 +18871,21 @@ AME)))) \start -To: Waldek Hebisch, Ondrej Certik -Subject: Re: SymPy code -From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 Mar 2007 09:03:05 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: SymPy code Since my department (Faculty for Mathematics, University Vienna) meanwhile expressed interest in using Axiom, I'd be ready to support anybody who'd be willing to implement Gruntz algorithm. Please tell me what is necessary to get you interested! (Money? Fame?) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:20:55 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: domains with parameters versus Python classes - <874po2u3yg.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301003o56575246ta51bb2e8b60fd940@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330130206.9plttfz3vkcwwkco@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301230y510ab455y173808399c50128f@mail.gmail.com> - <20070330144431.sktcubz4g888os0w@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301250n2457fe9bq6aa9a69eeb00cf1e@mail.gmail.com> - <873b3mzdhu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <85b5c3130703301526x42c172dah238b3362e824fe03@mail.gmail.com> - <878xdetc9a.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | Compare for example GiNaC and SymPy's > | implementation of the same algorithms - SymPy is like 1/2 (or even @@ -21097,15 +18898,10 @@ Cc: list I just want to make sure I understand your point of view - so you think that C++ and Python are at the same level? -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:51:54 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: "list" +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki I created another example in the Sandbox to show how to compute a @@ -21150,22 +18946,13 @@ On 3/31/07, Bill Page wrote: > enter text of the new page. If you use 'SandBox' as the prefix of > the name, your changes and experiments will not be sent out as > email to the wiki subscribers. Be Bold. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Mar 2007 14:03:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] depsys and systemError - -Hi, - depsys uses systemError, but no definition is provided in the set of files we currently compile to it. Curious. The actual definitions are to be found in g-error.boot. This patch adds that @@ -21417,14 +19204,10 @@ Applied to build-improvements. -- error, BOOT calls "userError" and "systemError" when a problem is - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:25:15 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdzk1zwYBaBnB+cTBi49BxBMl9tcQATet8g -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: RE: SymPy on Axiom Wiki On March 31, 2007 8:52 AM Ondrej Certik @@ -21485,24 +19268,13 @@ SymPy list or is the axiom-developer list sufficient? Regards, Bill Page. -> -> On 3/31/07, Bill Page wrote: -> > ... -> > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxSymPy -> > - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 Mar 2007 18:10:04 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] diff --git a/book/2007-04.txt b/book/2007-04.txt index 41b755a..ebd43eb 100644 --- a/book/2007-04.txt +++ b/book/2007-04.txt @@ -1,14 +1,12 @@ \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 08:38:38 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki - <87lkhdqab7.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2007 08:38:38 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -21,24 +19,15 @@ These two domains serve two entirely different purposes, and I would warn you not to abuse INFORM, since the idea behind it is very clever indeed, and I definitively will use it in the future. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:03:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acdz6crHWVW8HvfgSxG7nPZEaHcZ0wAJJvEg -Cc: list -Subject: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom - (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) On March 31, 2007 7:10 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > [...] @@ -112,28 +101,17 @@ exactly the symbolic expression that is the *input* to the interpreter. Manipulating members of this domain amounts to directly manipulating the expressions. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 03:05:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0KGVGTkgeSQt/TWG66VRdK9/BugAA31qw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: SymPy on Axiom Wiki On April 1, 2007 2:39 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > > [...] > > @@ -151,23 +129,11 @@ On April 1, 2007 2:39 AM Martin Rubey wrote: What do you mean by "abuse" it? Certainly we use it all the time in Axiom! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:45:02 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Subject: Re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom - (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) - +Subject: Re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom (was: SymPy on Axiom Wiki) >> Why should InputForm be preferable over Expression T? >> @@ -228,22 +194,11 @@ should not believe the interface. > exactly the symbolic expression that is the *input* to the > interpreter. Manipulating members of this domain amounts to > directly manipulating the expressions. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page -> -> -> - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:57:44 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: evaluate a polynom for a matrix. Hello, @@ -307,25 +262,19 @@ P4 := polCarN 4 -- Now evaluate P4(M4). We might find the (0)_4 matrix. -- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:22:07 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: conferences I plan to attend ECCAD in Delaware and ISSAC in Canada. --Tim - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 12:57:53 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferences -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Apr 2007 12:57:53 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -334,16 +283,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: I'll miss ECCAD as I'll be "on the road" in Europe -- ISO C++ committee meeting. See you at ISSAC. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:39:19 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: evaluate a polynom for a matrix. -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:39:19 +0200 -Cc: list, axiom-math Please direct questions of this kind to axiom-math@nongnu.org. @@ -387,17 +331,10 @@ P := determinant (M - x * I) (P::UP(x, SM))(M) - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:47:15 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0Qmx6GgVh/pq3QK+UM5bZdO1jdAAMofmA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 5:45 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -543,25 +480,16 @@ looking for is called 'expr' in the domain InputForm. x y x y Type: Equation OutputForm -So once again as Tim Daly has said main times, the problem is -just that :( as usual ): there is not enough documentation. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - +So once again as Tim Daly has said main times, the problem is just +that :( as usual ): there is not enough documentation. \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Apr 2007 14:31:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 1, 2007 5:45 AM Gaby wrote: | > @@ -609,15 +537,10 @@ Also, be aware than the Axiom designers, in many places, thought of Expression as the general domain for symbolic manipulation and have appropriate hardwired type inference rules in the interpreter. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:34:38 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: regression testing Bill, @@ -640,18 +563,10 @@ their text but they do show some interesting tricks I'd forgotten Axiom can do. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:38:45 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: unit testing Bill, @@ -670,19 +585,12 @@ It would be useful when constructing new domains if examples of operations were embedded in the pamphlet files in a standard style so we could achieve these goals. -Tim - - - - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 21:42:16 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Apr 2007 21:42:16 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -714,16 +622,10 @@ ones. Since we have "dependent types", this can be done in an extremely flexible manner, as the example "Interpret" shows, which takes a string and yields a domain. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:00:19 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) Bill, @@ -781,22 +683,11 @@ I'm not optimistic about that happening. Anyway, that's enough hasty-generalization...back to regression testing. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:02:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0lGV8qrcXhdHASaOKftF/e/qwTgAA3oPg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 3:31 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -841,23 +732,11 @@ Of course that is no problem. If you are able to read and understand Stephen Watt's paper on this subject, I am sure that this would be clear to you. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Apr 2007 15:19:53 -0500 -Cc: list - -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom [...] @@ -890,16 +769,11 @@ And it is possible to agree with him and not reading his paper. But again, what he said in his paper has nothing to do with the distinction between Expression T and InputForm I'm concerned with. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:37:56 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) -Cc: list Tim Daly wrote: @@ -928,20 +802,11 @@ is still available. Is that subject classification not quite what is needed for this effort? If not, perhaps something could be begun based on category theory? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:43:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0myv7g0CzxIF0Q0CNm3Vcvb4TewAEYnBg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 4:20 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -1012,22 +877,13 @@ the representation of objects and how that differs from more syntactical things like term re-writing? Or do continue to insist that we not talk about representation? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:02:19 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 1, 2007 4:20 PM Gaby wrote: | > ... @@ -1145,15 +1001,10 @@ must resort to internal representations, then the distinction is artificial, not fundamental; therefore, we can ignore it as being merely non-fundamental artefacts. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:34:57 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: regression testing I'm working my way back from the latest version thru the various @@ -1818,17 +1669,11 @@ qtest(sa, sb, 4) -- -- - - - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:07:25 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: regression testing -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Apr 2007 20:07:25 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -2447,30 +2292,22 @@ qtest(sa, sb, 3) y - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:29:15 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: more info It appears that the difference might be in the underlying lisp version. I'm testing that hypothesis now. Thanks for your test input. -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: CAS for the masses Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:47:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0ldvN7WAZFsnMTWeBX0FqjLpagAAOuS/Q -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 1, 2007 3:42 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -2493,20 +2330,10 @@ Martin, could you please find a few minutes to create a page on the Axiom Wiki containing an example of your Interpret code? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:06:32 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0lMVzWydj5BXkQAS840VleTsc1QAPcEFQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: regression testing On April 1, 2007 3:35 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2555,22 +2382,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxSymPy > tricks I'd forgotten Axiom can do. > -I agree. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:13:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0lVis/pzn5HBdTNe883gmsBlbewAPqbmQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: unit testing On April 1, 2007 3:39 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2611,18 +2426,10 @@ style for writing these code chunks in pamphlet files. I nominate you. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:15:54 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: differences Ok, the problem isn't in axiom and it appears that it isn't in GCL. @@ -2639,17 +2446,10 @@ to conclude that there is a very minor bug in the Fedora lib. Anybody happen to know in which system library cos/acos lives? -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:30:16 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0mFtc6vJ2fb3QR1iQLa9YAzXLZgAPJptA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) On April 1, 2007 4:00 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2743,23 +2543,11 @@ quite a large group of users. Me niether, but it doesn't hurt to talk about it where and when people might listen. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:38:23 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: differences -Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 23:38:23 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd01TWhmHIafeIaSCOihaK6czzCQQAAmPzw -Cc: list On April 1, 2007 11:16 PM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -2790,20 +2578,11 @@ it would be better to write specific comparison test code in Axiom itself that would compare the result to the expected values using methods appropriate to the domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start +Date: 01 Apr 2007 22:43:06 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: differences -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Apr 2007 22:43:06 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -2831,19 +2610,11 @@ mercy of systems if you insist on using 'long-float -- it is not always efficient and you can't predice the accuracy across platforms. Use 'double-float. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:37:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd0sd0NV8GFLuHIQmCE+ChXlkN9nQAJqpjw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom On April 1, 2007 7:02 PM Gaby wrote: @@ -3091,18 +2862,10 @@ internal representation - only that this representation defines a mapping that in turn defines the algebraic properties of the domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:21:04 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: ffrac.spad Bill, @@ -3252,16 +3015,11 @@ FormalFraction(X : SetCategory) : SetCategory with coerce(r : %) : X == (r.num / r.den) @ X - - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 00:37:09 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: ffrac.spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 00:37:09 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -3282,18 +3040,13 @@ polynomials with the usual operators (e.g. simplify, normalize, etc.). I'm very curious how to see how a full development will differ from Expression T. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: unit testing -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Apr 2007 09:20:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: unit testing -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Yes! We should have a standardized way to 'notangle' and > execute the tests in every pamphlet file. I think this @@ -3304,18 +3057,11 @@ Cc: list Hey! did you ever care to look at ALLPROSE & AldorUnit? PLEASE do! Please do not invent the wheel yet another time! -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: regression testing -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87fy7jmvn6.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:40:26 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: regression testing Hello Tim, Gaby, @@ -3335,20 +3081,11 @@ view. See the following mail for a fix : http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00119.html -Sorry, - -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: differences -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:39:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: differences > Ok, the problem isn't in axiom and it appears that it isn't in GCL. > I built the same GCL sources (no axiom) on redhat 9 and fedora 5. @@ -3374,18 +3111,11 @@ http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=323 My presonal attitude is: do not trust in least significant digit (it may differ due to different rounding). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: SymPy code -To: Ondrej Certik Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:49:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: SymPy code > Yes, SymPy is here: > @@ -3402,18 +3132,11 @@ Cc: list Expressions containing algebraic functions, in particular roots. AFAICS SymPy does not support RootOf operation. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 08:51:39 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: differences -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 08:51:39 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3444,20 +3167,14 @@ that don't use 80 bits for long double. Please, please, use something that is not common across all major plaftorms: C's double which is mapped to 64 bits, with clear semantics described by IEEE-754. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:09:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -3476,18 +3193,10 @@ characteristic). Also ATM Expression Integer does not do zero test before division but IMHO this is a bug. OTOH general symbolic domain may lack normal forms. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:21:21 -0500 -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Subject: differences As far as I know so far Axiom just uses the underlying lisp values @@ -3503,33 +3212,23 @@ clearly "optimized" the world by saving an instruction somewhere. The problem arose trying to explain a failing case in the regression tests. Now that I understand it better it's not an issue. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:23:55 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: SymPy code - -Cc: list > Expressions containing algebraic functions, in particular roots. > AFAICS SymPy does not support RootOf operation. I see. No, RootOf is not yet supported. -Ondrej - - - \start -Subject: Re: CAS for the masses -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:31:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: CAS for the masses +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -3557,24 +3256,17 @@ domain developers have to modify them. Ability to modify functions NI am _not_ advocating using dynamic capabilities of Axiom. Rather I wanted to point out that such capabilities are implemented and I give my opinion why. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in - Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Apr 2007 10:14:55 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: symbolic manipulation of expressions in Axiom Waldek Hebisch writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | > | > [...] | > @@ -3615,22 +3307,15 @@ Yes. Yes, that is precisely why CASes implement "generalized" polynomials as symbolic expression domains and augment it with ad-hoc rules. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: re: unit testing Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:22:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd091qnBTC3EMYsQy6ITI5xuJ9eSAAQo2qw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: unit testing On April 2, 2007 3:20 AM Martin Rubey > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Yes! We should have a standardized way to 'notangle' and > > execute the tests in every pamphlet file. I think this @@ -3656,20 +3341,10 @@ For anyone else it is likely to be easier simply to re- invent it. Unfortunately that is the real extent to which we seem to be able to re-use software in most cases. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:40:15 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: differences Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -3693,23 +3368,13 @@ platforms, otherwise we could just remove it. > > The problem arose trying to explain a failing case in the > regression tests. Now that I understand it better it's not an issue. -> -> Tim -> - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Apr 2007 13:35:20 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: [new boot] structural decomposition - Tim -- Consider the following line (extracted from src/interp/wi2.boot) @@ -3796,13 +3461,10 @@ bfLET2(lhs,rhs) == -- REALLYPRETTYPRINT ['COND,[isPred,rhs]] -- ['COND,[isPred,rhs]] - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:52:35 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: structural decomposition The whole boot/shoe parser was a complete black box delivered whole @@ -3831,20 +3493,10 @@ You'll often see this kind of code (from SF.NRLIB/code.lsp) (defun |DFLOAT;manexp (|x| $) (prog .....[snip].... (return (seq (exit (cond ((zerop |x| ...[snip].... - - -t - - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:03:09 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: structural decomposition Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -3911,23 +3563,11 @@ I've changed bfLET2 to handle allow literals in the patterns, currently algebra layer 13 is being built. I'll report when the build finishes. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:09:03 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: structural decomposition - <20070402140309.01q7tnl3k800w00o@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:09:03 -0500 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -4548,17 +4188,11 @@ It went OK. --$MERGELIB := nil ------- from nrunopt.boot ----------- - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: structural decomposition Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:24:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd1jL2Wq5CGe/stT6O3+buCD4CclAAAMi+w -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: structural decomposition On April 2, 2007 9:09 PM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -4578,23 +4212,11 @@ build machinery in general. I think these improvements are very important to the long term stability and maintainablity of the system. -Thank you! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:32:07 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: structural decomposition - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Bill Page: @@ -4623,22 +4245,11 @@ together. So what I've been doing lazily is to put all my notes in a sort of doodle pad file; I hope to clean it a bit and make it available so that others can help improve it. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: structural decomposition -To: Bill Page, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -4660,26 +4271,11 @@ Gaby, does this result mean that the Algebra code up through layer 13 can be successfully built by shoe/new boot without needing the old boot at all? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:15:39 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: structural decomposition - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -4699,31 +4295,12 @@ the work that has depsys buildable with CLISP (and SBCL). Then, we may consider what we do with algebra files -- but then, it will be summer and everybody will be on vacation :-) -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> -> ____________________________________________________________________________________ -> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 -> - - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:26:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest - - It is generally admited that in Boot (whether old or new) an identifier written in all uppercase is passed unmodified in the generated Lisp code (except for T). Right? @@ -4744,15 +4321,11 @@ something else. Here is a short list I have: REDUCE --> SPADREDUCE REMOVE --> |remove --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:32:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:32:37 -0500 Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -4780,16 +4353,10 @@ I forgot: UNION --> |union| --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:59:58 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, aldor-l , - axiom-dev From: Christian Aistleitner -Cc: +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] kTuple wish Hello, @@ -4798,31 +4365,25 @@ On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:03:25 +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wro= te: > So I would rather need something like -> "Cross", but I cannot even ask about the number of arguments of Cross.= - - -one can easily teach Aldor about the size of a Cross with the help of = +> "Cross", but I cannot even ask about the number of arguments of Cross. +one can easily teach Aldor about the size of a Cross with the help of extend. Then you can ask a Cross about the number of elements. -I already discussed the details with Ralf via private mail, so I am just= - = - -stating it here for the record. If anybody else is interested in this, I= - = - +I already discussed the details with Ralf via private mail, so I am just +stating it here for the record. If anybody else is interested in this, I will share some code. > ---BEGIN aaa.as > #include "aldor" -> I =3D=3D> MachineInteger; -> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType =3D=3D I; -> main(): () =3D=3D { -> A =3D=3D> S Integer; -> B =3D=3D> S String; -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... -> b: B :=3D (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; +> I ==> MachineInteger; +> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType == I; +> main(): () == { +> A ==> S Integer; +> B ==> S String; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... +> b: B := (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; > } > main(); > ---END aaa.as @@ -4831,171 +4392,109 @@ will share some code. I am not too sure whether it should compile. -First of all, I think notation is misleading here. The "=3D=3D" in - -> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType =3D=3D I; +First of all, I think notation is misleading here. The "==" in -does not necessary mean that the function S maps to the same I every tim= -e. = +> S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType == I; +does not necessary mean that the function S maps to the same I every time. This is somehow the synopsis, now for the details. - From my point of view, the above definition of S is a shorthand notatio= -n = - + From my point of view, the above definition of S is a shorthand notation for - S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType =3D=3D ( T: PrimitiveType ): Primit= -iveType = - + S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType == ( T: PrimitiveType ): PrimitiveType +-> I; -. (I quickly wanted to check the AUG on this concern, only to find out = +. (I quickly wanted to check the AUG on this concern, only to find out +that I cannot find my rewrite suggestion, but only Ralf's way (page 61) of +writing it. Nevertheless, I thoroughly believe, that my kind of writing it +is the way the compiler looks at it, and Ralf's way is just a short-hand +notation.) +Using this rewritten definition, it is more obvious, what the "==" refers +to. It definitely denotes that the function is constant, not the result. +But you did not claim otherwise. -that I cannot find my rewrite suggestion, but only Ralf's way (page 61) = -of = +Within the AUG, you'll find that typically only the left-hand side of the +== is seen at certain stages of compilation. So lets omit the righthand +part of S's definition: -writing it. Nevertheless, I thoroughly believe, that my kind of writing = -it = + S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType == -is the way the compiler looks at it, and Ralf's way is just a short-hand= - = +Now it is indeed hard to see that -notation.) -Using this rewritten definition, it is more obvious, what the "=3D=3D" r= -efers = +> A ==> S Integer; +> B ==> S String; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... +> b: B := (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; -to. It definitely denotes that the function is constant, not the result.= - = - -But you did not claim otherwise. - -Within the AUG, you'll find that typically only the left-hand side of th= -e = - -=3D=3D is seen at certain stages of compilation. So lets omit the righth= -and = - -part of S's definition: - - S: PrimitiveType -> PrimitiveType =3D=3D - -Now it is indeed hard to see that - -> A =3D=3D> S Integer; -> B =3D=3D> S String; -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; -- I need some value ... -> b: B :=3D (1$I) pretend B; -- forgive the "pretend" ... -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; - -should compile, there is no obvious reason (S Integer) and (S String) = - -should evaluate to the same PrimitiveType. - -Having seen this from this more abstract point of view, let's investigat= -e = +should compile, there is no obvious reason (S Integer) and (S String) +should evaluate to the same PrimitiveType. +Having seen this from this more abstract point of view, let's investigate the right-hand side of S's definition ( T: PrimitiveType ): PrimitiveType +-> I; -. Why should this functional evaluate to the same PrimitiveType again an= -d = - -again (And this condition would have to be satisfied before allowing the= - = - +. Why should this functional evaluate to the same PrimitiveType again and +again (And this condition would have to be satisfied before allowing the compiler to somehow compile above code)? - From a previous discussion, we learned that in Aldor functions typicall= -y = - -are not functional. The exception are expressions in type context. "S = - -Integer" and "S String" are in type context in the above piece of code. = - = - -Nevertheless, type context does not resolve the problem, because it = - + From a previous discussion, we learned that in Aldor functions typically +are not functional. The exception are expressions in type context. "S +Integer" and "S String" are in type context in the above piece of code. +Nevertheless, type context does not resolve the problem, because it basically tells us that the types of c: S Integer and d: S Integer -match, not that the type of a and b match. Type context allows to compil= -e = - +match, not that the type of a and b match. Type context allows to compile the line -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; as otherwise, S would be evaluated twice at Integer. -As the exception of non-functionality does not help or apply to the = - -problem. S has to be evaluated twice--once for Integer and once for = - -String. For each of the evaluations (which happen at run-time from my = - -point of view), the function S happens to return the same value. This = - -observation can only be made at run time and not at compile time, as the= - = - +As the exception of non-functionality does not help or apply to the +problem. S has to be evaluated twice--once for Integer and once for +String. For each of the evaluations (which happen at run-time from my +point of view), the function S happens to return the same value. This +observation can only be made at run time and not at compile time, as the "I" may be arbitrary code. -Your code is the rather (seldom case) where the value (I) is hidden just= - = - -to get more structure (S). One could argue that Aldor should treat this = - = - +Your code is the rather (seldom case) where the value (I) is hidden just +to get more structure (S). One could argue that Aldor should treat this case properly. However, only slight variations of your code (e.g.: - S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType =3D=3D Fraction I; + S(T: PrimitiveType): PrimitiveType == Fraction I; ) have a different semantics. For such an S (with the above macros), -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; should work (type context of S String), but -> a: A :=3D (0$I) pretend A; -> b: B :=3D (1$I) pretend B; -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; - -_has_ to fail. As Fraction Integer is not in type context, it _should_ = +> a: A := (0$I) pretend A; +> b: B := (1$I) pretend B; +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; +_has_ to fail. As Fraction Integer is not in type context, it _should_ give _different_ instances of fractions over the domain MachineInteger. -This was just to show that your code is really rather the special case. = - = - +This was just to show that your code is really rather the special case. Nevertheless, I see that you want and need the compiler to compile -> equal?: Boolean :=3D a =3D b; +> equal?: Boolean := a = b; in your setting. The first line of your message was > The following text describes a weakness of the Aldor language. -so we both agree that this it not a bug in the compiler (sigh), but rath= -er = - +so we both agree that this it not a bug in the compiler (sigh), but rather you need something Aldor has not been designed to do. - - -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:19:11 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - Martin Rubey +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Martin Rubey Subject: re: new problem compiling wh-sandbox -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - <9qtzw4bhbf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <460B7B6F.9030002@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -5032,25 +4531,16 @@ read, so I get the where your testing machinery is heading to? Afterwards it would certainly be good to discuss AldorUnit tests in Axiom and Axiom tests in Aldor. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:18:01 -0500 -To: "Christian Aistleitner" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: aldorunit, junit, axiom testing Axiom test plans are evolving based on need but with an eye to longer term plans to leverage the effort. I'll try to cover some of my thoughts on the subject here. - - - In the gold and prior releases the testing was based on the input files and detailed review of the console logs, as well as comparisons of intermediate files after each change. This @@ -5375,14 +4865,11 @@ results with the CATS results are all things to think about. Tim "There is no such thing as a simple job" - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:58:46 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: conferences -Cc: list Tim Daly wrote: > I plan to attend ECCAD in Delaware and ISSAC in Canada. --Tim @@ -5393,16 +4880,11 @@ http://eccad07.washcoll.edu/ Or do I have the wrong conference? -CY - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:34:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest Cc: list > @@ -5435,12 +4917,6 @@ efficiency). Also, I consider using all-lowercase Lisp (making a package "common-lisp" beeing a lowercase version of "COMMON-LISP", and setting *readtable-case* to preserve). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:02:52 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp @@ -5461,27 +4937,15 @@ The latter sounds like what Maxima went through with the Great Source Downcasing a while back. The emails on the Maxima list pertaining to that might worth looking at. -Cheers, -CY - - - - \start -Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:14:50 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -Thread-Index: Acd1oMompVRxP+TXTg2Rjbc8SHy43wBKgBiw - <87bqi6gmju.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - - FILETIME=[FDCA22F0:01C776CB] -Cc: - -The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=20 +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, +Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest + +The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that they were introduced to circumvent different semantics of -GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=20 +GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear about the others. Regards @@ -5491,25 +4955,25 @@ Juergen Weiss Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: +49(6131)39-26407 -=20 + > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Gabriel Dos Reis > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:33 AM > To: list > Subject: Re: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest ->=20 +> > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: ->=20 +> > | It is generally admited that in Boot (whether old or new) an > | identifier written in all uppercase is passed unmodified in the > | generated Lisp code (except for T). Right? -> |=20 +> | > | Well, Old Boot says "Wrong!". Some of the all-uppercase identifiers > | are renamed into case-sensitive uppercase, or renamed to some > | something else. Here is a short list I have: -> |=20 +> | > | ASSOC --> |assoc| > | DELETE --> |delete| > | GET --> GETL @@ -5521,102 +4985,55 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > | READ-LINE --> |read-line| > | REDUCE --> SPADREDUCE > | REMOVE --> |remove ->=20 +> > I forgot: ->=20 +> > UNION --> |union| ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:58:21 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest - <87bqi6gmju.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91481@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Quoting "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss: +Quoting Juergen Weiss: -> The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=20 +> The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that > they were introduced to circumvent different semantics of -> GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=20 +> GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear > about the others. Many thanks. I'll document that when I'm back to the renaming issue. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:41:08 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -Thread-Index: Acd24tZ7+7qu9FXNReC30Ng9D6aXCgADTTwg - <20070404125821.8fupwhjhc08wwo0o@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: Gabriel Dos Reis - FILETIME=[31786C40:01C776F1] -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest -I have just had a look at the sources.=20 +I have just had a look at the sources. -The redefinitions of=20 -ASSOC, DELETE, INTERSECTION, MEMBER, RASSOC, REMOVE, UNION=20 +The redefinitions of +ASSOC, DELETE, INTERSECTION, MEMBER, RASSOC, REMOVE, UNION seem to have the same source (all defined in vmlisp.lisp). COMMON LISP has different semantics than VMLISP -(in this case with regard to equality in those functions).=20 - -Juergen - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 +(in this case with regard to equality in those functions). > -----Original Message----- -> From: Gabriel Dos Reis [mailto:Gabriel Dos Reis]=20 -> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:58 PM -> To: Weiss, Juergen -> Cc: list -> Subject: RE: Obfuscated Boot Code Contest ->=20 -> Quoting "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss: ->=20 -> > The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=3D20 +> +> Quoting Juergen Weiss: +> +> > The replacements GET --> GETL, READ --> VMREAD indicate, that=20 > > they were introduced to circumvent different semantics of -> > GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=3D20 +> > GET and READ between VMLISP and COMMON LISP. Not clear=20 > > about the others. ->=20 +> > Many thanks. I'll document that when I'm back to the renaming issue. ->=20 -> -- Gaby ->=20 ->=20 - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:24:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd2/5DaLEHr34cJRUaBP8bPcdpS1Q== +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Set Any and SXHASH In http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/347BugInMapSet @@ -5694,19 +5111,11 @@ the domain Any that makes use of the Lisp EQUAL comparison instead of EQ. I think that in general EQ is too restrictive. Do you think this change is reasonable and correct? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:37:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH > In http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/347BugInMapSet > @@ -5755,20 +5164,11 @@ which have OrderedSet are eqipped with linear order. Hashing allows reasonably efficient implementation of set operations. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:40:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3h4NFLQ4XT08CQ+yEqFNi0ctmlwADK8cg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 5, 2007 9:37 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -5812,19 +5212,11 @@ domains that already use hashing such as EqTable so it might be as easy as just choosing a different representation of the Set domain. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:04:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH Bill Page wrote: > @@ -5862,20 +5254,11 @@ That is why I am saying about design bug. I am affraid that a complete re-design is the only real fix for design bugs. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:12:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3pHl+eT4+qsrqTD6Et2/nLBkvVAAAMTMg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 5, 2007 1:04 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -5914,19 +5297,11 @@ Why? > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:25:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH Bill Page wrote: > On April 5, 2007 1:04 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -5961,20 +5336,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: AFAICS LEXGREATERP compares representations, completly ignoring equality from domain. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:17:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3p2dR9wdR0BsERlaAWBBCWRNTIgABu+aw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 5, 2007 1:25 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -6000,19 +5366,11 @@ domain equality? What problems would occur if elements of all finite sets were ordered according to this ordering? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:03:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH > On April 5, 2007 1:25 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > ... @@ -6047,16 +5405,10 @@ fractions. We may miss duplicates and declare equal sets as unequal. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:29:45 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: list Subject: boot : valid type checker Hello, @@ -6086,16 +5438,11 @@ Greg [1] This is doable, I think, via something like 'IGNORE_-ERRORS eval mytype', but I would prefer a cleaner way. - - - - \start +Date: 06 Apr 2007 20:33:05 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 06 Apr 2007 20:33:05 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Bill, Waldek, * @@ -6122,28 +5469,20 @@ domain, make it an OrderedSet. However, I do not believe that making ANY an OrderedSet is wise. If your elements happen to be of type ANY and you need fast Set operations for them, I'd suggest that you look for a better domain. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:18:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd4Q5yr8U1pHmdGQKW8U7S0/yB1qQAIV/eA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Set Any and SXHASH On April 6, 2007 8:04 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... > Bill Page wrote [about using LEXGREATERP as an ordering]: -> >=20 +> > > > Yes. Why do you say that this would not be consistent with > > domain equality? > > ->=20 +> > Domain elements may be mathematically equal but have different > representations. AFAICS this happens for example for general > fractions. @@ -6164,22 +5503,22 @@ Martin refers to the description of "canonical" in HyperDoc: means that two objects are mathematically equal if and only if their data structures are equal." -I guess one should interpret "distinct" as a synonym for x ~=3D y. +I guess one should interpret "distinct" as a synonym for x ~= y. So this means that for some domain D with representation Rep - x,y:D; x =3D y implies rep(x) =3D rep(y) and - rep(x) =3D rep(y) implies x =3D y + x,y:D; x = y implies rep(x) = rep(y) and + rep(x) = rep(y) implies x = y -where by '=3D' I am specifically referring to the functions -exported by D and Rep, respectively.=20 +where by '=' I am specifically referring to the functions +exported by D and Rep, respectively. -> =20 +> > > What problems would occur if elements of all finite sets > > were ordered according to this ordering? -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > We may miss duplicates and declare equal sets as unequal. ->=20 +> Yes, I see that you are right if the domain is not canonical. HyperDoc only shows 5 domains with canonical, FourierSeries, @@ -6200,7 +5539,7 @@ the corresponding members of the domain are not equal. But this is somehow not "natural". So a "natural" representation would be one for which - x,y:D; rep(x) =3D rep(y) implies x =3D y + x,y:D; rep(x) = rep(y) implies x = y I was thinking about something like this when I wrote: @@ -6210,21 +5549,11 @@ I am still looking for any computer sciense publication that addresses this issue of representation in a formal mathematical way. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gregory Vanuxem'" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:07:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd4aL3S33nPHnfgRuSwGcULDApBOwAB7nrg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker On April 6, 2007 12:30 PM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > @@ -6331,29 +5660,21 @@ Matrix(Fraction Integer) Maybe you could give another example? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:53:03 +0200 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker -Le samedi 07 avril 2007 =E0 02:07 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 07 avril 2007 =E0 02:07 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit : > On April 6, 2007 12:30 PM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: -> >=20 +> > > > At the boot level I want to know if a given type is valid. > > By type I mean a category or a domain (parametrised if > > they must be). So for example I want to know that > > 'Matrix(Character)' and 'Fields' are invalid but not > > Matrix(Ring) and Matrix(Integer) ->=20 +> > You implied that Matrix(Ring) is valid, but it is not. Perhaps > this was a typo? @@ -6371,37 +5692,37 @@ are also 'new' and 'old' functions). (8) DirectProduct(3,IntegerNumberSystem) Type: Domain (9) -> [1,2,3]::% -=20 + >> System error: NIL is not of type CONS. The interpeter considers DirectProduct(3,IntegerNumberSystem) as a valid -domain (type ?) :-(=20 +domain (type ?) :-( > The definition of Matrix is ->=20 +> > Matrix(R:Ring) ->=20 +> > I wonder if you mean something like: since both ->=20 +> > Integer has Ring > Field has Ring ->=20 +> > are true, why not both ->=20 +> > Matrix(Integer) > Matrix(Field) ->=20 +> > Field of course, is a category while Integer is a domain. > > There are several functions in the interpreter for that but > > they are 'interactive' functions (in the sense that they will > > throw an error if the type is not valid) or they do not accept > > all possible categories. There is, for example, the function -> > 'isValidType' but it seems to only accept domains and simple=20 +> > 'isValidType' but it seems to only accept domains and simple > > categories. ->=20 +> > Can you give an example of a valid category for which isValidType > does not return T? @@ -6411,39 +5732,39 @@ Think of a category, here, as the set of matrices over a ring > isValidType seems to work for me (of course this is just the > interpreter but the equivalent must work in Boot): ->=20 -> (1) -> mytype1:=3D["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, ["Integer"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX= +> +> (1) -> mytype1:=["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, ["Integer"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX= ]::SEX ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > (1) (Matrix (Integer)) ->=20 +> > Type: SExpression -> (2) -> mytype2:=3D["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, -> ["Character"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX]::SEX =20 ->=20 +> (2) -> mytype2:=["Matrix"::Symbol::SEX, +> ["Character"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX]::SEX +> > (2) (Matrix (Character)) > Type: SExpression ->=20 -> (3) -> mytype3:=3D["FiniteSetAggregate"::Symbol::SEX, +> +> (3) -> mytype3:=["FiniteSetAggregate"::Symbol::SEX, > ["Integer"::Symbol::SEX]::SEX]::SEX ->=20 +> > (3) (FiniteSetAggregate (Integer)) > Type: SExpression ->=20 +> > (4) -> isValidType(mytype1)$Lisp ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > (4) T > Type: SExpression ->=20 +> > (5) -> isValidType(mytype2)$Lisp ->=20 +> > (5) () > Type: SExpression ->=20 +> > (6) -> isValidType(mytype3)$Lisp ->=20 +> > (6) T > Type: SExpression @@ -6453,7 +5774,7 @@ I must put out some simple mistakes. > > The nirvana would be a function that accepts things like > > Matrix(Join(Foo,Bar)) [1]. ->=20 +> > I do not understand what you mean by this. I want to know if I can extract information from what I call a @@ -6462,29 +5783,22 @@ valid type, i.e: )bo Matrix(Join(Field(),ConvertibleTo(InputForm()))) (|Matrix| (|Join| (|Field|) (|ConvertibleTo| (|InputForm|)))) -Value =3D #<(SIMPLE-VECTOR 72) {10053B01FF}> +Value = #<(SIMPLE-VECTOR 72) {10053B01FF}> I'm interested by this vector :-). [...] -> >=20 +> > > > Am I thinking wrong ? I was... -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:15:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Bill, Waldek, * @@ -6512,18 +5826,11 @@ I have now updated documentation and applied (to wh-sandbox) the fix. When I wrote about design bug I meant idea of sorting something which is not an OrderedSet. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:11:09 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Set Any and SXHASH -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:11:09 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6544,18 +5851,10 @@ Great. Great! I'm very happy we agree! -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:26:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5MXDEo4NVaoVjQFCU6HTWd8XUxA== -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Gaby, @@ -6656,20 +5955,10 @@ Apparently ./configure did not locate the required sockets headers. Do you have any idea what might be wrong? Or how I should attemt to debug this? -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:17:38 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: Re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Quoting Bill Page: @@ -6704,20 +5993,11 @@ The reason being that openSolaris 64bit seems to be largely unsupported by GNU tool chains, and openSolaris seems to ignore many of GNU software. :-( --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +Subject: re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -6734,34 +6014,13 @@ works: http://www.gnusolaris.org/ I don't know that 64bit support will be any better, but the GNU toolchain support in Nexenta may be in better shape. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Axiom-Developer'" Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:06:00 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5WiurNgMgBZXESXOXHlVP6WKTYAABJnpQAACELZA= +From: Bill Page +To: "'Axiom-Developer'" Subject: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -[attached file omitted] - -----Original Message----- -From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] -Sent: April 7, 2007 6:05 PM -To: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' -Subject: RE: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - Gaby, @@ -6811,19 +6070,11 @@ me back to Solaris after nearly giving it up for Linux. Perhaps it is only nostalgia, but for enterprise applications I am still inclined to prefer Solaris over any of the Linux distributions. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:06:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:06:36 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -6847,16 +6098,11 @@ I'll return to that later (probably end of the month or may). I spend the morning having "fun" chasing bugs in Axiom with runtime checking enabled. Pretty scary. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:09:29 -0500 -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [491] - branches/build-improvements +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [491] branches/build-improvements dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net writes: @@ -6876,18 +6122,12 @@ That has the side effect of dramatically increasing the overall compilation time. In return, you get to know about bugs you did not suspect or did not want to know about. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Axiom-Developer'" -Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:29:28 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5WiurNgMgBZXESXOXHlVP6WKTYAABJnpQAACELZAAAKRxQA== -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Gaby, @@ -6962,18 +6202,12 @@ On April 7, 2007 12:26 PM Bill Page wrote: > gmake: *** [all-src] Error 2 > - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Axiom-Developer'" -Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:43:38 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5WiurNgMgBZXESXOXHlVP6WKTYAABJnpQAACELZAAAKRxQAAAh9Xw -Cc: 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +xCc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 7, 2007 6:29 PM I wrote: > @@ -7026,18 +6260,11 @@ If so, I will retry the build from zero with this patch. Regards, Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:00:56 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -7059,20 +6286,13 @@ Quoting Bill Page: That is great. Many thanks for the detective work. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:35:13 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -7142,16 +6362,10 @@ Many thanks. sman_DEPENDENCIES = - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:16:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5bWn+0Npaw4qcQC6Ga9/82jURDAAK/gew -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: build-improvements revision 491 Gaby, @@ -7185,22 +6399,13 @@ make: *** [all-src] Error 2 Revision 490 builds with no problems. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: build-improvements revision 491 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 02:03:33 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: build-improvements revision 491 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -7241,32 +6446,20 @@ comment. That but was there undetected since before build-improvements was created and nobody noticed! I'll fix that. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: RE: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [491]branches/build-improvements Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:02:20 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [491]branches/build-improvements -Thread-Index: Acd5YXFsqFZTQkyoR+64r0r76rGj/wAWitIg - <87mz1j7s6e.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - - FILETIME=[9E371110:01C779BC] -Cc: +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [491]branches/build-improvements > dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net writes: > As of revision 491, I added a configure option --enable-checking for > requesting runtime checking of Lisp codes, e.g. (proclaim '(optimize -> (safety 3))).=20 +> (safety 3))). > That has the side effect of dramatically increasing the overall > compilation time. In return, you get to know about bugs you did not > suspect or did not want to know about. ->=20 +> This is not too suprising, when you consider all the mails in this newsgroup about errors with the following message >> System error: @@ -7274,24 +6467,11 @@ newsgroup about errors with the following message I always wondered why nobody recompiled the system with better error checking, to localize these bugs. I'm glad you did that. -Greetings - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - <874pnr7o7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 09:59:28 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -7305,20 +6485,11 @@ case the addition for solaris-based systems. I've checked in a patch that does that and passes the build on an i686-suse-linux. Please could you update and see whether the build works for? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:24:13 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 13:24:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd57oX1iAKEiUzuTKi3np32/aq6EwAE55Tg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gaby, @@ -7339,21 +6510,13 @@ I will revert the earlier patch and svn update and try again. The first thing to check immedately after ./configure is the src/sman/Makefile, I guess... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 13:12:44 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -7383,35 +6546,26 @@ config.log. Yes, see what gets substituted there. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:43:58 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:43:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIyw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gaby, On April 8, 2007 2:13 PM you wrote: -> ...=20 -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: -> |=20 +> ... +> Bill Page writes: +> | > | Sorry, the earlier patch also did not work on 'i386-pc-solaris2.10'. > | The same error as before. No -lsocket was added to the gcc command. ->=20 +> > Huh. It was added on my machine and compiler-link failed > precisely because the system ld could not find -lsocket. I have > special cased solaris. The build was OK on both i686-suse-linux > and x86_64-suse-linux. If your build fails, please send me again -> your config.log.=20 +> your config.log. Perhaps I just screwed up the previous patch last night. The build completed this time but I did have to make the following additional @@ -7419,38 +6573,38 @@ patch: -bash-3.00$ svn diff src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet Index: src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +================= --- src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet (revision 496) +++ src/sman/Makefile.pamphlet (working copy) @@ -35,13 +35,13 @@ - session_sources =3D session.c - session_SOURCES =3D $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(session_sources)) - session_objects =3D $(session_sources:.c=3D.$(OBJEXT)) --session_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad -+session_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ - session_DEPENDENCIES =3D - - spadclient_sources =3D spadclient.c - spadclient_SOURCES =3D $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(spadclient_sources)) - spadclient_objects =3D $(spadclient_sources:.c=3D.$(OBJEXT)) --spadclient_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad -+spadclient_LDADD =3D -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ - spadclient_DEPENDENCIES =3D - - sman_sources =3D sman.c + session_sources = session.c + session_SOURCES = $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(session_sources)) + session_objects = $(session_sources:.c=.$(OBJEXT)) +-session_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad ++session_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ + session_DEPENDENCIES = + + spadclient_sources = spadclient.c + spadclient_SOURCES = $(addsuffix .pamphlet, $(spadclient_sources)) + spadclient_objects = $(spadclient_sources:.c=.$(OBJEXT)) +-spadclient_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad ++spadclient_LDADD = -L$(build_libdir) -lspad @axiom_c_runtime_extra@ + spadclient_DEPENDENCIES = + + sman_sources = sman.c ------- ->=20 +> > | I will revert the earlier patch and svn update and try again. -> |=20 +> | > | The first thing to check immedately after ./configure is the > | src/sman/Makefile, I guess... ->=20 +> > Yes, see what gets substituted there. ->=20 +> I think the build is ok now and I can start AXIOMsys. But I do get an error when I try hyperdoc: @@ -7504,21 +6658,12 @@ I will now try to build from wh-sandbox which I believe includes a number of significant changes to hyperdoc which are not yet brought into build-improvements. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:05:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIywAADQfaA= -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -7545,22 +6690,12 @@ Any ideas? I will try to create 'build/scripts' and continue. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:09:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIywAADQfaAAAEHlUA== -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 8, 2007 6:06 PM I wrote: > @@ -7582,24 +6717,12 @@ Oops, my stupid error. I meant to run: -bash-3.00$ ../wh-sandbox/configure 2>&1 | tee build.log -Sorry. Please ignore. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:12:41 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6CYZP4XPevJ1QQLWmhSfG38wtNgAHIIywAADQfaAAAEHlUAAAGQKw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -7629,18 +6752,18 @@ mkdir -p /te x cd ./src && -SPAD=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10 = -SRC=3D/src -INT=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int -OBJ=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj -INC=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include = -NOISE=3D"-o +SPAD=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10 = +SRC=/src +INT=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/int +OBJ=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/obj +INC=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/../wh-sandbox/src/include = +NOISE="-o /export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/i386-pc-solaris2.10/trace" -VERSION=3D"Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-03-28" -DOCUMENT=3D/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document = -PLF=3D"" -CCF=3D"-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF=3D"-g" = -LISP=3Dlsp make +VERSION="Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-03-28" +DOCUMENT=/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/build/scripts/document = +PLF="" +CCF="-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE" LDF="-g" = +LISP=lsp make make[1]: Entering directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src' cd ../../wh-sandbox/src && notangle -t8 Makefile.pamphlet > Makefile.inp = \ @@ -7662,7 +6785,7 @@ make[2]: Leaving directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/lib' make[2]: Entering directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/lib' /export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src/lib/../.././build/scripts/document= ---tangle --output=3Dbsdsignal.c +--tangle --output=bsdsignal.c ../../../wh-sandbox/src/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet gcc -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D_GNU_SOURCE -c -I/export/home0/wspage/wh-sandbox/src/include @@ -7687,23 +6810,13 @@ is now part of build-improvements? Can you suggest how to proceed? -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:16:02 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -7726,24 +6839,19 @@ introduced some time ago but never got around to fix (as I don't use it). I'll refocus on that. Sorry. Many thanks for testing and reporting back. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:13:55 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | | On April 8, 2007 2:13 PM you wrote: | > ... -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | > | | > | Sorry, the earlier patch also did not work on 'i386-pc-solaris2.10'. | > | The same error as before. No -lsocket was added to the gcc command. @@ -7782,18 +6890,13 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Yes, you're right. Please commit that if you can. Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 18:18:34 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Waldek, | @@ -7822,18 +6925,13 @@ Waldek recently did cherry picking of various patches from build-improvements without properly labelling them, and added tweaks of his own. He might know more about that issue than I do. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 19:13:55 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Waldek, | @@ -7854,18 +6952,13 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Hmm, you're giving both a file and a directory the same name; that is likely to cause troubles. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:35:47 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: HyperDoc -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -8012,21 +7105,11 @@ The other fragment is equally deceptive. - - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:03:12 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 Quoting Bill Page: @@ -8041,20 +7124,11 @@ I would have thought that merge from axiom.build-improvements should be done whole sale to keep in sync. If you find a problem that needs addressing please let us know (and even better send a patch :-). --- Gaby - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:39:29 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 01:39:29 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6NmXpAlZ6QYQASEaxWY4AdvbDngAMkUpA -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gaby, @@ -8095,21 +7169,11 @@ autoconf-2.61 so 'build-setup.sh' produces a lot of "housekeeping" changes in 'configure'. Do you want me to include the new onfigure in the commit? Or will you update it later? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gregory Vanuxem'" Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 02:56:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5AtHLxkG8paoeRYGkFnsvJkB4JQBa3xsA -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: RE: boot : valid type checker On April 7, 2007 6:53 AM Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > ... @@ -8198,22 +7262,11 @@ what is currently defined in the Axiom library? If so, then perhaps I suppose that Join also that Join must be a category constructor which the interpreter might also have to understand. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:06:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6Szq9Nlt7S4m5R7C0friF0WhQ4QAKV1fw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 On April 8, 2007 10:03 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -8247,21 +7300,12 @@ time to such a merge? I will be glad to do that when/if I can. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2 x86 -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Apr 2007 10:06:30 +0200 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , - Waldek Hebisch , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis > > Cherry picking from axiom.build-improvements is asking for > > trouble. I would have thought that merge from build-improvements @@ -8303,17 +7347,11 @@ organize all these improvements. I'm well aware of the fact that many of you are also more interested in the algebra than in the build process... And I am really grateful for all your work! -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: HyperDoc -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:24:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: HyperDoc Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -8324,19 +7362,12 @@ Why do you want relative paths on Windows? AFAICS relative paths cause a lot of trouble and the simplest way to handle them is converting to absolute path as soon as possible. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:59:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Waldek, @@ -8370,18 +7401,11 @@ also changed src/lib files to use results of configure run. So one have to merge changes to src/lib (and possibly also other C parts). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:37:11 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:37:11 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8396,16 +7420,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I beg to disagree. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: HyperDoc -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:02:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: HyperDoc Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8425,20 +7444,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Could you elaborate: you say that relative paths are needed on Windows but you did not say why? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:25:54 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -8485,26 +7495,11 @@ is designed to be "re-routed". There is nothing gained in writing the components to assume that all paths are absolute. We could as well assume that Earth is flat. --- Gaby - -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:47:42 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8543,17 +7538,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: That was the point of doing the exercise -- things are detected at confuguration time and sub-components use that results. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 11:42:42 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc - <20070409112554.04qzmi33ksgs0s8s@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 11:42:42 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -8590,18 +7579,11 @@ particular options start with forward slash. I don't remember the exact details, but at some point some of the absolute paths (using Unix-style notation) started being interpreted as options; it isn't funny. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:52:37 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -8639,30 +7621,18 @@ Quoting Bill Page: >> Yes, you're right. Please commit that if you can. Many thanks! >> > -> Yes, I could commit this change but I just noticed that I am using -> autoconf-2.61 so 'build-setup.sh' produces a lot of "housekeeping" -> changes in 'configure'. Do you want me to include the new onfigure -> in the commit? Or will you update it later? - -OK, I'll do it. - -Thanks! - --- Gaby - -> - - - - +> Yes, I could commit this change but I just noticed that I am using +> autoconf-2.61 so 'build-setup.sh' produces a lot of "housekeeping" +> changes in 'configure'. Do you want me to include the new onfigure +> in the commit? Or will you update it later? +OK, I'll do it. \start -Subject: Re: HyperDoc -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:44:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: HyperDoc Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -8729,18 +7699,11 @@ Later: Explicit drive letter should cure this problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Relative vs. Absolute paths (was Re: HyperDoc) To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +Subject: Relative vs. Absolute paths (was Re: HyperDoc) --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -8796,24 +7759,11 @@ much difference. I am sure I'm missing something important - is there an example where the relative merits of the two approaches can be clearly seen? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:31:18 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: HyperDoc -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:31:18 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8914,16 +7864,11 @@ I don't intend to spend more resources on a problem I consider solved. However, you're free to do so, but please don't break my builds; I've burnt enough cycles in that issue. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:48:09 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Relative vs. Absolute paths (was Re: HyperDoc) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 09 Apr 2007 16:48:09 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -8985,17 +7930,10 @@ intend to become a windows developer -- I don't have the time for that. Consequently, it is important that I don't spend too much time solving windows only issues. Your mileage may vary. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Markus Cozowicz'" Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:08:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3nJvETrQTxQIHRja41cAqJuZhBABl99JQAG4BatAAAqCYTQAEZ0iw -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Markus Cozowicz Subject: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) Markus, @@ -9069,21 +8007,13 @@ code is a serious risk, I think the best option would be to run Axiom in a chroot environment or perhaps on a separate virtual machine using Xen or other VM tool. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Apr 2007 21:43:13 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -9488,38 +8418,28 @@ src/sman/ sman_sources = sman.c - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:36:14 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_033E_01C77B08.422B3070" -Thread-Index: Acd6r0w4z52HcqnkT6W+ZbXSCHOtUgAdPLgQ -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_033E_01C77B08.422B3070 - charset="us-ascii" +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, On April 9, 2007 9:59 AM you wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Configure machinery should be in place, but build-improvements > also changed src/lib files to use results of configure run. > So one have to merge changes to src/lib (and possibly also > other C parts). ->=20 +> I checked the revision log for bsdsignal: http://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/axiom/branches/build-improvements= /sr -c/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet?view=3Dlog +c/lib/bsdsignal.c.pamphlet?view=log apparently wh-sandbox is missing build-improvements revision 366. @@ -9636,20 +8556,11 @@ luNxC1KluLbWEL9/OphW45mCdirj/wBXfuhx7EoAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_033E_01C77B08.422B3070-- - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:42:09 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:42:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7Gf10xM8wMKGUTz2fygIdR8PX9gAGGb+w -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' - -Gaby, I am very grateful for your effort to resolve the problem! @@ -9679,23 +8590,13 @@ On April 9, 2007 10:43 PM you wrote: The build completed normally and I now have a fully functional Axiom with HyperDoc. -Thank you. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 01:04:14 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: FW: Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -9720,22 +8621,13 @@ Oops, the build just completed on windows. Thank *you* for testing and reporting back. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" , - axiom-dev , - Bill Page - <9qfy78lc1z.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1d67a53c0704100421h3c8c3580u5771ceb533d313d8@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 14:21:42 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew, Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > Hi Martin, > @@ -9783,24 +8675,15 @@ http://lispnyc.org/soc.clp and mention Martin Rubey as (inofficial) co-mentor. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Alasdair McAndrew'" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:11:37 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7as45Q/zTAaGzT4KGWpFQgEUNgAADlxcw -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Alasdair McAndrew Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions On April 10, 2007 8:22 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > > Hi Martin, > > @@ -9864,22 +8747,14 @@ copy of Axiom. It cannot use a previously started process. Sorry, but Summer of Code application deadline was March 26. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 16:51:47 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Alasdair McAndrew' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Martin, your "advice" is confusing. TeXmacs starts it's own copy of Axiom. It > cannot use a previously started process. @@ -9897,19 +8772,12 @@ starts axiom normally (such that HyperDoc can be used) and then starts TeXmacs LispNYC says that their deadline is today. If I misunderstood, please remove the advertisment on the Frontpage. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:13:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions - <9q8xd02sfw.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Alasdair McAndrew +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew > > Sorry, but Summer of Code application deadline was March 26. > @@ -9918,17 +8786,12 @@ Cc: axiom-dev , The deadline of April 11 is for mentors. - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 10:54:51 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon - -Hi, - With a recent version of msys (Windows XP), I'm seeing a surprising behaviour where the '::' in boottran::boottoclc will be passed to the Lisp image as a semicolon! I don't know whether is GCL doign it or @@ -10220,20 +9083,17 @@ src/scripts/ \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:01:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7f8UH8SOXkUiJT76LoMEwJqwvBQABkcPA -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Alasdair McAndrew' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Martin, On April 10, 2007 10:52 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Martin, your "advice" is confusing. TeXmacs starts it's own > > copy of Axiom. It cannot use a previously started process. @@ -10290,21 +9150,11 @@ not receive any applications? I have just updated FrontPage. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:15:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7iJgLpoN0ot/gRAuQdA1cRE/qqgAAXTCA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon On April 10, 2007 11:55 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -10346,22 +9196,12 @@ work. What error do you get? Thank you for you continuing work to support a Windows version of Axiom in the build-improvements branch. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:22:13 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd6r0w4z52HcqnkT6W+ZbXSCHOtUgAdPLgQABnmd3A= -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -10403,24 +9243,14 @@ make[1]: *** [all-sman] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/export/home0/wspage/axiom-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 -------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 11:21:50 -0500 -Cc: 'Alasdair McAndrew' , - 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -10444,19 +9274,13 @@ Spad and the computational aspect is what we want to advertise. BTW, it would be great if either you or Alfredo can make a new Windows binary (from build-improvements or wh-sandbox, whichever builds). --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 11:24:59 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -10466,17 +9290,12 @@ Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' I believe it is saying that the directory sman does not exist -- so it is not like the error you reported earlier for build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:31:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Waldek, > @@ -10530,24 +9349,15 @@ I If bsdsignal.c change works separatly then please commit it (but without the configure changes). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:34:25 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Two beginner questions -Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:34:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7jFhGlbVEdOM9SnqBzP4fd48ZXAAAPXEg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 10, 2007 12:22 PM Gaby wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -10590,21 +9400,13 @@ previous Windows binary distribution more than two years ago. I could do it again now but I think there would be greated benefit if someone else also participates in this task. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 11:39:48 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] msys and double-colon -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On April 10, 2007 11:55 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > @@ -10698,19 +9500,12 @@ directories then you have to specify -r. That behaviour is uniform and not specific to msys. Therefore Autoconf is wrong to default to "cp -p" when it does not know how I'm going to use LN_S. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:41:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd7jcPd9v/zkOaLSKCuC8fGoolbogAAM2Tg -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 - x86 +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek, @@ -10741,22 +9536,12 @@ perhaps related to the unintentional configure reversion. Ok. I will revert my changes to configure so that I have wh-sandbox at r 485 again and repeat the build. -Thanks! - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:10:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Waldek, @@ -10806,19 +9591,11 @@ did not create sman subdirectory. In such case src/Makefile should skip sman subdriectory -- it looks that wh-sandbox have unnecessery dependency on all-sman. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... +Subject: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -10874,24 +9651,12 @@ I think in the future Axiom will fare better, as we are slowly cleaning up the system and porting to SBCL et. al. That should be one big step forward, and improved code documentation also will be a big help. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:06:22 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: alobo2@washcoll.edu Subject: ECCAD on Axiom Mailing List +Cc: Austin Lobo ECCAD, The East Coast Computer Algebra Day, is being held at Washington College on April 21st in Chestertown, Maryland, USA. @@ -10903,23 +9668,13 @@ to order (they are providing lunch). There are slots left for posters and demonstrations. Deadline for receipt is April 14th. -Contacts: -website: eccad07.washcoll.edu -phone: Austin Lobo 410-778-7873 -email: alobo2@washcoll.edu - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 21:03:26 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Unfortunately we did not receive any eligible applications from students > regarding Axiom. :-( I think we should try to analyze why that @@ -11041,19 +9796,11 @@ generatingSeries()$P2 is only possible in the interpreter -- and that's a wise decision, too, as Christian Aistleitner confirmed. - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: ECCAD on Axiom Mailing List -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: alobo2@washcoll.edu That's a bit of a drive for me, but I think I can make it. I'll try to attend. @@ -11067,42 +9814,15 @@ Cliff > > Please come. > Please register (eccad07.washcoll.edu) so they know how much food -> to order (they are providing lunch). -> -> There are slots left for posters and demonstrations. -> Deadline for receipt is April 14th. -> -> Contacts: -> website: eccad07.washcoll.edu -> phone: Austin Lobo 410-778-7873 -> email: alobo2@washcoll.edu -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never miss an email again! -Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - +> to order (they are providing lunch). +> +> There are slots left for posters and demonstrations. +> Deadline for receipt is April 14th. \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 21:16:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page Subject: Kudos Dear Bill, Gaby and Waldek! @@ -11123,18 +9843,11 @@ unable to build it, for whatever reason. I am very much indebted, -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... To: Martin Rubey -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11236,27 +9949,11 @@ one and I'm not completely sure I'll have access to a Windows box. If that would be a very significant help, I will look into it - let me know. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:48:12 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Quoting Martin Rubey: @@ -11290,7 +9987,7 @@ As are we all. Earlier quoting Martin Rubey: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> .. Does anyone have any other ideas about why we did not >> receive any applications? @@ -11512,22 +10209,11 @@ I think that is basically correct however you do realize that Aldor was specifically designed to be the replacement for SPAD, so this relationship to SPAD is not at all unexpected. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:57:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - -C Y, +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... I can't resist "jumping" at the conclusion of your last email... @@ -11563,19 +10249,11 @@ at the K-mart for not much money. ;) And I as I have said several times before: I have done this before and I would be very glad to help someone do it again. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Help needed, - was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 23:21:06 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -11629,20 +10307,11 @@ conventions.) But if it is not tooooo big a project, such a bundle would be, again: WONDERFUL. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -To: Bill Page, - Martin Rubey -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -11676,29 +10345,11 @@ Right. Well, that's good news. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need Mail bonding? -Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - - ---- Bill Page wrote: +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... > > I can see where we might be able to put together a NSIS based > > installer of a merger of the latest build-improvements, the @@ -11727,27 +10378,13 @@ access to a box in about 3 weeks, and if I can I'll set up an Axiom build environment and take a stab at it. I'm a Linux guy myself but we really need something newer than the current binary... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Apr 2007 23:40:34 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: species project, - was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: species project, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > * a free Aldor, or, since this is quite unlikely to happen, > @@ -11825,20 +10462,11 @@ and maybe * investigate whether we can compute the molecular expansion of a species - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Martin Rubey, Bill Page Subject: Re: species project -To: Martin Rubey, - Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11874,46 +10502,11 @@ could then devote time to SPAD knowing we wouldn't have the rug yanked out from under us by an Aldor release (i.e. it would be work we do actually need to do and couldn't avoid by waiting). -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Looking for earth-friendly autos? -Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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Games. -http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:08:22 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11925,18 +10518,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: If socket support is detected not to exist, configure would not have generated Makefiles to that instruct to build sman. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:14:24 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom - didn't appeal to SoC coders... - <9qwt0k9b99.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11977,19 +10563,11 @@ bundle to be HUGE. If we can successfully release a "normal" Windows binary perhaps we can look next at bundling cygwin and X for an "all-in-one" type release. -Cheers, -CY - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:28:52 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -12029,18 +10607,11 @@ consider Axiom as a program that wants access to network and it might be blocked; then the anti-virus will ask you whether you want to grant access or not. That is silly. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:17:25 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Martin Rubey writes: @@ -12054,19 +10625,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: The idea that Axiom is a Lisp project is largely fantasy. Semi ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:23:06 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Kudos - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhwjazm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:23:06 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -12086,19 +10650,11 @@ For my class using Axiom to "succeed", I need an Axiom that does not require heroic effort -- please don't tell me "yum", "apt-get"; they don't work for everybody. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:54:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Help needed - <9qwt0k9b99.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <461C0C40.204@yahoo.com> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -12204,18 +10760,11 @@ Axiom Graphics as cygwin applications while running AXIOMsys as a native application with the right support for sockets might be the hard part. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2 x86 -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:10:29 -0500 -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2 x86 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12227,20 +10776,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I do hope you do all your best to avoid duplicated build-improvements work. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... - <20070410165744.fpkredya7808w884@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:30:32 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -12251,22 +10793,14 @@ We should. I see no compelling reason why we should hae parallel build effort on branches from build-improvements and keep them separate. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: Help needed, - was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... - <9qwt0k9b99.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Apr 2007 17:32:09 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Help needed, was: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Martin Rubey writes: - [...] | Bill writes: @@ -12277,20 +10811,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: GCL-2.6.8pre cannot build on cygwin; I don't know how to get the whole thing. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - <87r6qrsw2j.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -12334,19 +10859,11 @@ there was not thread suppor under unix (or what ever Axiom was built on at that time) and it was still considered "pretty neat" to get this stuff working via sockets. So I would call it legacy rather than over engineering. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... -To: Bill Page, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12410,28 +10927,12 @@ feature. Couldn't we do something like: Start Axiom GUI -> If threads, start new thread with kernel If no threads, start new process with kernel -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:59:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to - SoC coders... - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting C Y : @@ -12479,21 +10980,11 @@ Windows is a little technically challenging (but not too difficult, I think). But probably it would be better to modify AXIOM to use the socket support built in to Lisp (GCL). -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:34:13 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC - coders... - <20070410205920.mnwc68sn02cko8c0@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: (Possible) reasons Axiom didn't appeal to SoC coders... Bill Page wrote: @@ -12552,22 +11043,12 @@ would be good, but I'm not familiar with the options except knowing about the existence of usocket: http://common-lisp.net/project/usocket/ Apparently GCL is not on the usocket list yet. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhwjazm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0jswc5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Apr 2007 09:02:20 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -12588,24 +11069,12 @@ covers most if not all of build-improvements. Is this incorrect? If not, why do you want to merge things back from wh-sandbox into build-improvements and not the other way round? - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos - <9qmz1gt5kx.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhwjazm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0jswc5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qk5wjgzr7.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 08:40:05 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -12632,49 +11101,42 @@ else tend to create unnecessary work -- I don't know for others, but I don't enough time to spend solving problems I could avoid in the first place. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem - <1176301693.3293.9.camel@ellipse> <87abxfq7ps.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 10:08:49 -0500 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [501] - branches/build-improvements +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: [501] branches/build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -| Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: -|=20 +| Gregory Vanuxem writes: +| | | Hello, -| |=20 +| | | | Le mercredi 11 avril 2007 =E0 06:49 -0700, dos-reis@users.sourceforge.n= et -| | a =E9crit :=20 +| | a =E9crit : | | > Revision: 501 -| | > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=3D501&view=3Drev +| | > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=501&view=rev | | > Author: dos-reis | | > Date: 2007-04-11 06:49:23 -0700 (Wed, 11 Apr 2007) -| | >=20 +| | > | | > Log Message: | | > ----------- | | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| | >=20 +| | > | | > * configure.ac.pamphlet: Update version info. | | > * configure.ac: Regenerate. | | > * configure: Likewise. -| | >=20 +| | > | | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| | >=20 +| | > | | > * postpar.boot.pamphlet: Push into package BOOT. | | > Remove cached Lisp translation | | > * Makefile.pamphlet (<>): Remove. | | > (postpar.boot): Translate with bootsys. | | > * Makefile.in: Regenerate. -| | >=20 +| | > | | > Modified Paths: | | > -------------- | | > branches/build-improvements/ChangeLog.build-improvements @@ -12688,10 +11150,10 @@ ts | | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/c-util.boot.pamphlet | | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/postpar.boot.pamphlet | | > branches/build-improvements/src/scripts/document.in -| |=20 +| | | | c-util.boot was modified too :-). I don't know if this is intentional | | but you did not push it into the "BOOT" package. -|=20 +| | Ooooops, I checked in the WRONG tree -- I meant to check in the tree | that constains only the change to c-util. I'm deeply sorry. ^^^^^^ @@ -12700,53 +11162,46 @@ gloops; I meant "postpar.boot" changes only. As is the tree cannot build. There is a bug in c-util.boot that I wanted to correct before adding -the changes that make it compilable with bootsys.=20=20 +the changes that make it compilable with bootsys. I should not commit to Axiom early in the morning before enough coffee. I'll notify you when I reinstate the tree in a good shape. Sorry for the inconvenience. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem - <1176301693.3293.9.camel@ellipse> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 10:59:17 -0500 -Cc: list, axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [501] - branches/build-improvements +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: [501] branches/build-improvements -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello, -|=20 +| | Le mercredi 11 avril 2007 =E0 06:49 -0700, dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net -| a =E9crit :=20 +| a =E9crit : | > Revision: 501 -| > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=3D501&view=3Drev +| > http://svn.sourceforge.net/axiom/?rev=501&view=rev | > Author: dos-reis | > Date: 2007-04-11 06:49:23 -0700 (Wed, 11 Apr 2007) -| >=20 +| > | > Log Message: | > ----------- | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| >=20 +| > | > * configure.ac.pamphlet: Update version info. | > * configure.ac: Regenerate. | > * configure: Likewise. -| >=20 +| > | > 2007-04-11 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis -| >=20 +| > | > * postpar.boot.pamphlet: Push into package BOOT. | > Remove cached Lisp translation | > * Makefile.pamphlet (<>): Remove. | > (postpar.boot): Translate with bootsys. | > * Makefile.in: Regenerate. -| >=20 +| > | > Modified Paths: | > -------------- | > branches/build-improvements/ChangeLog.build-improvements @@ -12759,25 +11214,18 @@ Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/c-util.boot.pamphlet | > branches/build-improvements/src/interp/postpar.boot.pamphlet | > branches/build-improvements/src/scripts/document.in -|=20 +| | c-util.boot was modified too :-). I don't know if this is intentional | but you did not push it into the "BOOT" package. I reverted the tree to the state it was at revision 500. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:54:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek, Gaby, maybe you could spend a minute explaining in what ways @@ -12826,21 +11274,12 @@ What wh-sandbox has which is not in build-improvements: 3) new algebra bootstrap 4) many bug fixes - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, - was: Kudos -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 15:25:08 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements, was: Kudos +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -12853,19 +11292,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: This is something I would have liked to go into build-improvements so that I don't have to do the same thing. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:39:57 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -12889,19 +11321,12 @@ the incorporation of a few more revisions from build-improvements. Waldek, I am ready to commit my revisioin 366 based changes to wh-sandbox. Shall I proceed? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris - 10.2x86 -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:14:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Axiom on Solaris 10.2x86 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > I can now confirm that after removing my unintentional reversion @@ -12919,48 +11344,17 @@ Bill Page wrote: Yes, go on. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 19:59:30 -0500 -Subject: [Richard Fateman] Re: - [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - ---=-=-= - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom FYI. - ---=-=-= - -Return-Path: -Delivered-To: gdr@localhost.cs.tamu.edu Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:54:35 -0700 From: Richard Fateman - rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) -To: maxima@math.utexas.edu - <461D108E.5070309@uhasselt.be> <87fy76u79r.fsf@truman.edu> - - <877isiu5er.fsf@truman.edu> - - <87irc2pskc.fsf@truman.edu> - Subject: Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - - -Errors-To: maxima-bounces@math.utexas.edu -x-ctasd: uncategorized -x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized -x-ctasd-station: - FILETIME=[CB503710:01C77C9D] -Xref: soliton.cs.tamu.edu mail.misc:96852 In Axiom version of 1/17/2005 @@ -12971,29 +11365,11 @@ In Axiom version of 1/17/2005 I don't know if this counts as unexpected to a 5th grader, but does a 5th grader even know about "E" scientific notation? - - - - -_______________________________________________ -Maxima mailing list -Maxima@math.utexas.edu -http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima - - ---=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:27:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] - Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -13030,25 +11406,13 @@ In Axiom version of 1/17/2005 I don't know if this counts as unexpected to a 5th grader, but does a 5th grader even know about "E" scientific notation? ------- - -What's his point? - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: - [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - <20070411212758.cnzw4akxpios88kw@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 20:40:21 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: | @@ -13093,20 +11457,11 @@ the more conventional and reliable "double" C datatype. If he reads this mailing list you would get an answer :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:30:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] - Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - <876482nzei.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -13176,20 +11531,13 @@ Of the "machine" float: > | 1.96 - 1.4^2 comes out as 0.7 E -20 > | - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: - [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom - <876482nzei.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <20070411223004.wuhd95vldx444s8g@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Apr 2007 21:45:08 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman] Re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: | @@ -13232,19 +11580,11 @@ Cc: list which agrees with what Maxima computes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple - decimals / Axiom -To: Bill Page, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Maxima] strange behaviour with simple decimals / Axiom --- Bill Page wrote: > @@ -13262,18 +11602,6 @@ topic got to comparative behavior of CASs and calculators. I don't think there is a criticism of Axiom involved as such, the discussion is more general than that. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -13337,23 +11665,10 @@ sure our error messages are informative in the case of failure to connect, and provide all available information for resolving the issues. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 08:16:34 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: gcl configure breakage I tried to configure gcl, which a collegue fetched yesterday via @@ -13427,16 +11742,10 @@ configure: failed program was: return 0; } - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch , - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 08:55:21 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 Dear Waldek, @@ -13505,22 +11814,12 @@ make[1]: *** [all-lisp] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harre/ax-build/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 - -Many thanks in advance - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:26:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch same problem in build-improvements. @@ -13597,28 +11896,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > make[1]: *** [all-lisp] Error 2 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harre/ax-build/src' > make: *** [all-src] Error 2 -> -> -> Many thanks in advance -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-dev -Subject: Re: gcl configure breakage -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:29:58 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: gcl configure breakage After installing binutils-dev and m4 configure worked. Now it's making... @@ -13698,28 +11981,13 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > fclose(fp); > return 0; > } -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 - was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:52:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Hello, @@ -13800,14 +12068,14 @@ XEC) > > Modifications of this banner must retain notice of a compatible licen= se > > Dedicated to the memory of W. Schelter -> >=20 +> > > > Use (help) to get some basic information on how to use GCL. > > Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ -> >=20 +> > > > >/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > sh: /home/harre/ax-build/build/i686-pc-linux/bin/raw_lisp: not found -> >=20 +> > > > Error: Cannot delete the file #p"/home/harre/ax-build/build/i686-pc-l= inux/bin/raw_lisp": "No such file or directory". > > Fast links are on: do (si::use-fast-links nil) for debugging @@ -13819,37 +12087,12 @@ ror 255 > > make[1]: *** [all-lisp] Error 2 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/harre/ax-build/src' > > make: *** [all-src] Error 2 -> >=20 -> >=20 -> > Many thanks in advance -> >=20 -> > Martin -> >=20 -> >=20 -> >=20 -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -13915,17 +12158,12 @@ the engineering has forgotten the basics. I'm not a windows developer, so patches are welcome. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:49:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Camm Maguire Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Waldek, @@ -14022,28 +12260,12 @@ MD5sum: 1846a63096382273dfd4cf7652d224c8 In particular there is no dependency on developement libraries, so it is passible that current Debian have similar problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - - - - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 06:50:57 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14057,17 +12279,11 @@ surronding contexts. It should not be the same as with wh-sandbox because build-improvements configures GCL with --disable-xgcl and --disable-tkconfig. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Bill Page -Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 14:10:40 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page +Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -14083,18 +12299,11 @@ while compiling ALGEBRA. Didn't Bill Page say that one has to tweak some setting in gcl? -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 07:24:21 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qmz1dlrnj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 07:24:21 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14118,18 +12327,11 @@ Please, please, please. General message to people experiencing The build is slower but you may get a chance to make a meaningful report that may eventually help fix the bug you run into. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 14:36:47 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qmz1dlrnj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87y7kxlr0q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Apr 2007 14:36:47 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14157,21 +12359,12 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: Does this work also in wh-sandbox? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 15:13:26 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14196,19 +12389,12 @@ build-improvements succeeded. I am currently retrying wh-sandbox with --enable-checking. -Thanks for all your help! - -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:45:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14242,24 +12428,12 @@ guessing package (I still have to investigate the problem). (PROCLAIM '(FTYPE (FUNCTION (*) (VALUES T T)) BOOT:|ReadLine|)) (PROCLAIM - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1ybux.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 08:54:46 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14292,22 +12466,12 @@ It is not clear to me that wh-sandbox has the --enable-checking bits. One drawback of Autoconf design is that when configure does not understand an --enable-FEATURE switch, it says nothing. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1ybux.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69lmu1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:13:25 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14341,20 +12505,12 @@ You see, I really need wh-sandbox because of three reasons: (the last item depends on the second item, but the first item also is extremely helpful) - - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:17:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch A request for both build-improvements and wh-sandbox: @@ -14370,26 +12526,12 @@ the ".spad.pamphlet"s, not the ".spad"s Is there any reason for copying the "spad"s instead? -Thanks for everything, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: - Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 - <9qwt0irr2s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <878xcxn74u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1ybux.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69lmu1.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qslb5isu2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:19:20 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: problems compiling build-improvements 502 was: Re: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14439,16 +12581,11 @@ Ideally, all of this should be merged back to silver, but I don't know what Silver is. I would hate to change target every two or three months. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Sockets and threads -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:20:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Sockets and threads Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -14480,20 +12617,11 @@ Other Lisp may also place restrictions on possible behaviour of C code. Socket interface seem to be accepted way to interface general programs with Lisp (and other high level runtimes). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:30:18 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Sockets and threads - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -14541,23 +12669,12 @@ aren't. Not that much. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:39:20 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Quoting Martin Rubey: @@ -14589,25 +12706,12 @@ on the priority list. > the ".spad.pamphlet"s, not the ".spad"s > > Is there any reason for copying the "spad"s instead? -> -> Thanks for everything, -> -> Martin -> -> - - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:40:56 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Sockets and threads - <20070412093018.jjulegy1pcgkskgw@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 09:40:56 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14643,18 +12747,12 @@ s/do/does not/ Sorry for the confusion. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:49:08 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -14684,17 +12782,11 @@ Maybe even but no, that's confusing... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -14753,18 +12845,9 @@ P.S. I don't mean to be an irritation, Gaby - it's possible I'm just lacking enough basic understanding to follow you correctly. Is there some introductory material on thread vs. socket issues that I could read? - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get your own web address. -Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:20:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: sockets @@ -14773,18 +12856,11 @@ X11 is a socket-based design. When we tried to write graphics Given that the graphics had sockets it made sense to communicate from Axiom to the graphics component using the same protocol. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:29:07 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -thread-index: Acd8+5h4Wf/NsEQYQgixS3AWBNgj9AAGdaAg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: problems compiling wh-sandbox 503 On April 12, 2007 8:11 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > ... @@ -14811,19 +12887,11 @@ operating systems on which it runs. This and the specific code relocation method is the what changes most from machine to machine. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:46:18 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:46:18 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -14903,20 +12971,12 @@ Yes. They are not mutually exclusive, so I don't understand your point. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:47:55 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14946,16 +13006,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: How do you say, produce a clisp/dvi/pdf out of this? How do you say, just compile the tangled code? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:54:26 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: sockets -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 10:54:26 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -14979,21 +13034,12 @@ critically on sockets? Take Emacs, for example. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:54:43 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15038,23 +13084,12 @@ Thus, I think that is quite ok. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:01:26 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15104,17 +13139,10 @@ Martin Rubey writes: We can simplify the switches if we are willing to use the same switches as document itself. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'axiom-dev'" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:03:37 -0400 - charset="US-ASCII" -thread-index: Acd86MkCngghdvgdROy/EijOlCByQgALvBkg -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: FW: summer of code Axiom Developers; @@ -15178,26 +13206,12 @@ advertising. The technical issues with those selected will be done later, don't worry about it now. I'll be in touch. -Ondrej - - - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:22:10 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15244,18 +13258,11 @@ and show a usage message just as axiom -h. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15310,24 +13317,11 @@ different sort of issue. I'm surprised that this aspect of Axiom is complex, so there are clearly some design issues I'm not taking into account yet. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:32:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:32:02 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -15369,24 +13363,12 @@ When you try to port Axiom to say, ECL, SBCL, CLISP, etc. that added complexity becomes non-negligeable. Since, I've been doing that, I think I let my exasperation out. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 11:34:35 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15443,25 +13425,12 @@ For example. I would also like to be able to dump intermediate representation, compile to machine objects or FASLs, create a standalone executable. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 18:41:08 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15518,18 +13487,11 @@ version. But do as you wish. In any case, please install ".spad.pamphlet" instead of ".spad" into src/algebra. There is quite a bit of documented algebra source meanwhile. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15565,23 +13527,10 @@ hope anyway... Cheers, and thanks for all the hard work you've been doing! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Bored stiff? Loosen up... -Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -http://games.yahoo.com/games/front - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 19:45:43 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly, Waldek Hebisch Subject: docstrings created by aldor Dear Tim, Waldek, @@ -15693,28 +13642,21 @@ The libdb is created magically when I first )lib the compiled files Any insight would be great, -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:08:32 -0500 -To: rubey@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at -Cc: list, waldemar.Waldek Hebisch +From: Tim Daly +To: Martin Rubey Subject: docstrings created by aldor +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Sorry, I have no clue. -- t - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:15:06 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:15:06 +0200 -Cc: list, waldemar.Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Tim Daly writes: @@ -15725,19 +13667,11 @@ creating libdb.text? I guess it is created from the asy file, but even that I do not know. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, list, - waldemar.Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor - <9qhcrlfoid.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Apr 2007 20:27:33 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15777,15 +13711,12 @@ $\setN^{(\setN)}$ to $\setQ$ in anology to the fact that a \useterm{formal power series} (over $\setQ$) is a f--unct--ion -- f--rom --$\se--tN$ --to $--\setQ$. \end{addescription} - - - \start -Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:04:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, waldemar.Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15803,18 +13734,11 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: Look at the function writedb in br-data.boot.pamphlet. It looks that this function is resposible for mangling you see. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 21:42:29 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Apr 2007 21:42:29 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15830,29 +13754,12 @@ grep "500" *.pamphlet Any idea what that's good for? Well, in any case, it will help me a lot to reach my goal! -Thanks a million times, Waldek! - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:46:37 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15886,17 +13793,11 @@ I was talking of the axiom script. But, yes currently, document can translate Boot to Lisp, compile Lisp to object codes, and assemble object codes to executable. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:56:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: docstrings created by aldor - <9qwt0hfkgq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Apr 2007 17:56:24 -0500 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -15917,30 +13818,20 @@ Martin Rubey writes: 500 characters should be enough for everybody! --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Jeremy Siek Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:54:07 -0600 +From: Jeremy Siek +To: list Subject: CFP: Library-Centric Software Design 2007 ---Apple-Mail-51-560751565 - charset=WINDOWS-1252; - delsp=yes; - format=flowed - - ACM SIGPLAN SYMPOSIUM ON LIBRARY-CENTRIC SOFTWARE DESIGN - LCSD'07 http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2007 on October 21st, 2007 at - Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and =20 + Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and Applications (OOPSLA'07) conference in Montreal, Canada, October 21-25, 2007 @@ -15990,7 +13881,7 @@ style file (option 1) at http://www.acm.org/sigs/pubs/proceed/template.html. 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=A0 =A0 ACM SIGPLAN = -SYMPOSIUM ON LIBRARY-CENTRIC SOFTWARE DESIGN - LCSD'07

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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = -=A0 =A0=A0 on October 21st, 2007 at

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = -Object-Oriented Programming, Systems, Languages and Applications = -
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (OOPSLA'07) conference in Montreal, Canada, = -October 21-25, 2007

CALL FOR = -PAPERS

Libraries are central to = -all major scientific, engineering, and
business areas, yet the = -design, implementation, and use of libraries
are = -underdeveloped arts. This symposium is one of the first steps = -in
the process of placing all aspects of libraries on a sound = -technical
and scientific basis through research into = -fundamental issues and
documentation of best = -practices.
=A0 =A0
A software library is an = -organized collection of code with associated
tools supporting = -programming in general or in specific domains,
usually united = -by a specified set of principles and conventions. = -Most
libraries are aimed for use by several people and in = -different
environments. The areas of software library research = -include

=A0 =A0= - * Design and implementation of libraries
=A0 =A0 * Program = -and system design based on libraries
=A0 =A0 * Libraries = -supporting specific application domains, such as
=A0 =A0 =A0 = -biology or banking
=A0 =A0 * Evolution, refactoring, and = -maintenance of libraries
=A0 =A0 * Empirical studies of = -library use
=A0 =A0 * Performance of libraries, including = -benchmarking and
=A0 =A0 =A0 library-based = -optimizations
=A0 =A0 * Design of language facilities and = -tools in support of library
=A0 =A0 =A0 definition and = -use
=A0 =A0 * Validation, debugging, and testing of = -libraries
=A0 =A0 * Extensibility, parameterization, and = -customization
=A0 =A0 * Distribution of libraries
=A0 = -=A0 * Specification of libraries and their semantics
=A0 =A0 * = -Usability for library users and developers
=A0 =A0 * Assessing = -quality of libraries
=A0 =A0 * Documentation and teaching of = -libraries
=A0 =A0 * Creating and supporting communities of = -library users
=A0 =A0 * Using several libraries in combination = -

We invite = -the submission of papers on software library
research, = -including, but not limited to, the above list of topics.
The = -papers should address issues important to libraries as
a = -field, i.e., describe ideas or techniques that can be reused = -for
libraries across problem domains and/or = -languages.

Authors should use the = -latest ACM SIGS conference
style file (option 1) = -at
be limited to 12 pages in this style.

Accepted papers will be = -published in the ACM proceedings for the symposium.

IMPORTANT = -DATES

Aug 1=A0 = -=A0=A0 Submission of papers
Sep 1=A0 =A0=A0 Notification of = -acceptance
Sep 15=A0 =A0 Submission of final versions of the = -papers
Oct 21=A0 =A0 Symposium

SUBMISSION PROCEDURE = -

For details = -of the electronic submission procedure, see the = -symposium's
Web site, http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2007.

ORGANIZERS

=A0 =A0 *=A0 Jaakko J=89rvi, = -Texas A&M University
=A0 =A0 *=A0 David Musser, = -Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
=A0 =A0 *=A0 Sibylle Schupp, = -Chalmers University of Technology
=A0 =A0 *=A0 Jeremy Siek, = -University of Colorado at Boulder
=A0 =A0 *=A0 Frank Tip, IBM = -T.J. Watson Research

PROGRAM = -COMMITTEE

=A0 = -=A0 * Matthew Austern, Google
=A0 =A0 * Antonio Cisternino, = -University of Piza
=A0 =A0 * Sean Parent, Adobe Systems = -Incorporated
=A0 =A0 * Brian Goetz, Quiotix Corp.
=A0 = -=A0 * Andrew Lumsdaine, Indiana University
=A0 =A0 * Oege de = -Moor, Oxford University
=A0 =A0 * Lawrence Rauchwerger, Texas = -A&M
=A0 =A0 * Peter Sestoft, University of = -Copenhagen
=A0 =A0 * Bjarne Stroustrup, AT&T Labs, Texas = -A&M
=A0 =A0 * Michelle Strout, Colorado State = -University
=A0 =A0 * Matthias Troyer, ETH Zurich
=A0 = -=A0 * Todd Veldhuizen, University of Waterloo

In addition, the organizers = -will serve as program committee members,
with Jaakko J=89rvi = -and Josh Bloch as program co-chairs.

Primarily, the email = -address lcsd07@cs.tamu.edu = -should be used for
questions addressed to the = -organizers.

KEYNOTE = -ADDRESS

There = -will be an invited talk by Doug Lea, State University of = -New
York at Oswego. Doug Lea is the author of the book = -"Concurrent
Programming in Java", and co-author of the text = -"Object-Oriented
System Development". He is the author of = -several widely used software
packages and components, as well = -as articles, reports, and
standardization efforts dealing with = -object oriented software
development including those on = -specification, design and
implementation techniques, = -distributed, concurrent, and parallel
object systems, and = -software reusability.

SYMPOSIUM GOALS AND = -ACTIVITIES

The = -symposium is a scientific forum for presenting = -original
research in the design, implementation, and = -evaluation of software
libraries. Other major activities = -include the identification of open
questions specific to = -library research and the discussion of a
strategic plan for = -establishing library research as a field. The
outcome of the = -symposium is a combination of research contributions = -and
specific next steps for improving the infrastructure for = -library
research.

Participants are expected = -to read the accepted submissions beforehand.
The technical = -presentations, although based on the accepted papers,
should = -not provide mere summaries of the papers. Instead, authors = -are
encouraged to use their presentation slots (20 + 10 mins) = -to bring up
topics for discussion.

The technical presentations = -are mixed with scientific and
organizational discussions. The = -discussions aim at furthering the
topics of the presentations, = -thus their agenda will be publicly
discussed among the = -participants and then posted on the website of the
symposium. = -All participants are expected to come prepared with = -their
tentative answers or thoughts.

The full-day symposium = -starts with a keynote talk for the stimulation
of discussion = -and concludes with a plenary discussion that decides = -the
specific next steps for improving the infrastructure for = -library
research.

FOR MORE INFORMATION AND = -UPDATES please visit
the symposium's Web site, http://lcsd.cs.tamu.edu/2007



______________________________________
Jeremy Siek = -<jeremy.siek@colorado.edu><= -/SPAN>
Visiting = -Assistant Professor
Department of Computer Science
University of Colorado at Boulder



 = -

= - ---Apple-Mail-51-560751565-- - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69i52q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Apr 2007 10:07:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16332,29 +13995,12 @@ create documentation and source only. Haven't we reached concensus yet? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69i52q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9q3b34y9wn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Apr 2007 03:30:27 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey writes: @@ -16379,29 +14025,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: I don't really know. You seem to be arguing all aspects. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - <20070412093920.1w0wxtjeg0k80c0g@webmail.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qmz1d3axn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wt0hk310.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qd5296118.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d529k2eh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qy7kx8swd.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87zm5dimas.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qveg1mtp7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ps69i52q.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9q3b34y9wn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <871wioism4.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Apr 2007 11:26:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16455,17 +14084,10 @@ Hm, I believe I voted for: Well, I do not insist on (3). But (1) and (2) would be important to me. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:36:43 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: FW: summer of code Hi, yes, I am subsribed to both axiom lists, but I was just busy. I @@ -16564,22 +14186,11 @@ On 4/12/07, Bill Page wrote: > > The technical issues with those selected will be done later, don't > worry about it now. I'll be in touch. -> -> Ondrej -> -> -> -> - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:39:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd9+sL8PRstoBNOQZWZgiH0DAsQzwABf5Pg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: RE: FW: summer of code On April 13, 2007 2:37 PM Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -16625,23 +14236,11 @@ software development. So lets remain in touch as and when time permits. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:14:16 -0700 -From: "Scott Morrison" Scott Morrison +From: Scott Morrison To: list Subject: Re: Sockets, threads and GUI<->Kernel communication - boundary="----=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288" - <87fy75n7kn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: - -------=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288 On 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -16680,28 +14279,10 @@ So that's the historical perspective. I apologize for leaving you guys with this overly complex mess. --- Scott Morrison - -------=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288 - -

On 12 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis <Gabriel Dos Reis> wrote:
-C Y <Cliff Yapp> writes:

| I do agree that threads are a more attractive way to implement the
| client-server setup when dealing with a strictly local copy of Axiom, -

If you agree with that, then you must agree with the over-engineering
characterization.  We have more uses of Axiom as local copy than we
have as a truly distributed system over network.  A 101 principle
-of engineering is to keep common thing simple.

Mea Culpa.

As the designer and developer of the overly complex socket communication system, I must take responsibility for this mess.  This system was originally implemented on IBM RT workstations running AIX in 1989.  In AIX there were no lightweight threads, so that really was not an option.  But the real motivation for using sockets was that we envisioned running HyperDoc  and Axiom on different machines.  In those days we had powerful mainframes and wimpy workstations.  Of course it was never really implemented to work that way, but the overly complex socket approach was never removed. -

There also would have been no HyperDoc if we'd done this a few years later.  At the time web browsers were non-existent.  I'd be in favor of dumping HyperDoc and implementing a browser interface, but I'm not going to do that, and I don't see it happening soon. -

I also did the socket interface to the graphics system for the same reason: we wanted to run things of different systems, and again it never happened.

So that's the historical perspective.

I apologize for leaving you guys with this overly complex mess. -

-- Scott Morrison

- -------=_Part_5128_16269919.1176498856288-- - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:33:03 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <00c601c77e03$6a06ca20$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: FW: summer of code > language for Axiom as part of the basic design. Even Sage has @@ -16755,17 +14336,11 @@ can be used immediatelly by SymPy or any other project. Yes. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:02:55 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: re: FW: summer of code - <85b5c3130704131733h1868c2b3tf39076fa98780b99@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: axiom-dev Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -16786,18 +14361,10 @@ particular has a tendency to always push the bounds of what is possible. efficiency, but I think Axiom as a project is most likely going to devote a lot of attention to being (or remaining) fast. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ondrej Certik'" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:38:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd+LHdj7pAXwpDKR0SDGdf2I/OIkgADuolg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: RE: FW: summer of code [Warning: The following contains mostly philosophy and opinions. @@ -16909,19 +14476,11 @@ Sage and Google's summer of code all have a role to play even if that ends up by just getting more people interest in the main subject - computer algebra. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:23:06 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page Subject: re: FW: summer of code -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Bill Page wrote: @@ -17037,17 +14596,11 @@ beyond our own senses, we may find ourselves gazing into the depths of mathematics with mechanical tools more capable of recognizing correctness of large scale proofs than our own minds. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:58:46 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: FW: summer of code -Cc: axiom-dev I see. I am not interested in mathematics (for this there is Axiom), but just a basic symbolic manipulation and for this the algorithms are @@ -17171,12 +14724,6 @@ On 4/14/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: > beyond our own senses, we may find ourselves gazing into the depths of > mathematics with mechanical tools more capable of recognizing > correctness of large scale proofs than our own minds. -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) @@ -17187,35 +14734,21 @@ Subject: Book order link on front page is broken http://www.lulu.com/content/190827 just leads to "item not available." Did it get moved? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:30:06 -0500 -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Book order link. http://www.lulu.com/content/190827 the link is fixed. thanks for the tip --t - - \start -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:31:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17233,21 +14766,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: It looks that you just re-did work on last file that I converted (I left non-bootstrap files as-is). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:01:32 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -17282,37 +14805,19 @@ There are more changes to come, but not before I find a more reliable network connection and ways to install autoconf-2.60 on mingw/msys. -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:38:34 -0500 -To: amca01@gmail.com -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: book order link The lulu.com book and the src/doc/bookvol1.pdf are the same file. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:12:14 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements -Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:12:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd+6N0UZKN2N5bQQEeJW6cLiGLJBQALO8qg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 14, 2007 7:02 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -17340,22 +14845,11 @@ Is there any particular reason you want to continue using the older version autoconf-2.60? (I think you can, but I haven't actually built 2.60 on MSYS/MinGW.) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:56:15 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox and - build-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox and build-improvements Quoting Bill Page: @@ -17404,25 +14898,11 @@ not tried that version yet. my three main linux boxes are running that version, -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:20:53 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:20:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd/RE9mOj88qWWKRkuB/m70PeEqaQATSxZQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 15, 2007 5:56 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -17501,21 +14981,11 @@ Let me know how it turns out. I recommend that we go to autoconf-2.61 for all Axiom builds. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:27:55 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -17613,25 +15083,11 @@ not well -- my Perl is not /bin/perl. As long as you prepare and commit all my patches, I'm fine with that. -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:51 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:51 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -thread-index: Acd/pO9UoJGBAeqcTSO5oZNRHtocxQADeQmQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 15, 2007 5:28 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -17768,21 +15224,11 @@ one where each developer chooses there own flavor and version of the basic tools ... I with draw my recommendation. Let's just all continue to do it our own way. ;) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:31:43 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -17952,27 +15398,11 @@ maintaining linux boxes, that include: I suspect you'd have much more effective impact at explaining me how automake-2.61 fare vis-a-vis the above three rules. - - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:28:22 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:28:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd/+UjmKWoLwRqnRNyh6Wp3XQYf0gAPPZQg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: @@ -18083,21 +15513,11 @@ If you think you need at least 2.60 what other choice do you have? If not revert the autoconf stuff to 2.59. (Waldek is still using 2.59 in wh-sandbox.) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:22:00 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: @@ -18253,23 +15673,12 @@ will find resources to get it happen. I'm done. > If not revert the autoconf stuff to 2.59. (Waldek is still using > 2.59 in wh-sandbox.) -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:08:42 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: comment > I could repeat almost word-for-word a similar statement by Tim @@ -18308,25 +15717,16 @@ made to work" but rather "why waste the time and space". Git is the best technical solution, thus I use git. To me, that's progress. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:19:01 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:19:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceAQ11Pg64qbFCMSjOPYHTXkjfoBgAAmk4g -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: ->=20 +> > Quoting Bill Page: ->=20 +> > > On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: > > > >> @@ -18336,7 +15736,7 @@ On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: > > > > What do you mean that GCL does not work under cygwin? It works > > for me. You just can't compile it under cygwin. ->=20 +> > That means the same thing for me: If I cannot compile it under > cygwin, it does not work for me as far as Axiom development is > concerned. @@ -18345,7 +15745,7 @@ On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: Why not? It is not necessary to build gcl as part of the Axiom build - just install the windows binary for gcl, like other users Windows do. -=20 + > > > >> and I have been told on this list that windows people don't > >> care about GCL under cygwin. @@ -18354,7 +15754,7 @@ Windows do. > > cygwin. period. What it does is foreign to them plus it is a > > poor replacement for linux, if linux is what you really want. > > ->=20 +> > But, I do not mean linux. My impression is that you're > completely missing the picture by micro-focusing on linux vs. > non-linux environment and drawing misplaced conclusions @@ -18362,7 +15762,7 @@ Windows do. Yes, perhaps. Sorry. ->=20 +> > What I want is to have a reasonable development under windows > -- whether it is mingw or cygwin, I don't care much. The only > thing I care about is that the environment does not disrupt @@ -18370,18 +15770,18 @@ Yes, perhaps. Sorry. > MSYS/minGW works for me. -=20 + > >> I guess the fact that windows people on this list don't > >> help that much to make concrete forward progress is OK. > > > > I think that is typical. ->=20 +> > OK; I believe the logical conclusion for me is probably that > I drop any work on Axiom on windows. Your choice. ->=20 +> > Granted you can reproduce the problems, but the solution you > suggested did not work for me. I moved ActivePerl's path away > from /bin and /mingw/bin. @@ -18430,26 +15830,26 @@ then that seems very strange. It works for me. And if I rename /bin/perl to something else (and thereby use ActivePerl from windows), it fails that way you said it does for you. -> ...=20 +> ... > But I already have MSYS pre-packaged components from mingw.org! > So you are running "perl, v5.6.1 built for msys" or not? -=20 + > > Just because other people get away with using ActivePerl > > with minGW doesn't make it a "supported configuration" or good > > idea. ->=20 +> > Definitely, my reading of the mingw documentation from mingw > website is that ActivePerl is a "supported configuration". > But again, that point is moot by now. Even old Perl from > msys does not get me install Autoconf-2.60. > -> ...=20 +> ... > > > > MSYS is not a linux distro by any imagination but I think the > > same principle applies. ->=20 +> > Which implies that I should not even try your suggestion of > installing Autoconf-2.61 from a non-officially supported third > party. I don't think your statements are coherent. @@ -18459,7 +15859,7 @@ What choice do you have? If you want to abandon Windows development for build-improvements, fine, it's your choice. But would still try to encourage you to continue. ->=20 +> > Bill -- again, building Autoconf-2.60 does not work on the > "virgin" msys/mingw fails as an infinite loop. > @@ -18576,7 +15976,7 @@ make[2]: Entering directory = } >version.m4 make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/m4sugar' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'..'/lib AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='..'/lib AUTOM4TE_CFG='../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../bin/autom4te -B '..'/lib -B '..'/lib --language M4sh --cache = '' --melt ./autoconf.as -o autoconf.in @@ -18692,44 +16092,44 @@ make[2]: Leaving directory = Making all in m4sugar make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/m4sugar' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dm4sugar \ + --language=m4sugar \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dm4sugar.m4f -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' + --output=m4sugar.m4f +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dm4sh \ + --language=m4sh \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dm4sh.m4f + --output=m4sh.m4f make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/m4sugar' Making all in autoconf make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autoconf' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dautoconf \ + --language=autoconf \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dautoconf.m4f + --output=autoconf.m4f make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autoconf' Making all in autotest make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autotest' -autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' +autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib \ - --language=3Dautotest \ + --language=autotest \ --freeze \ - --output=3Dautotest.m4f + --output=autotest.m4f make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autotest' Making all in autoscan @@ -18739,26 +16139,26 @@ echo '# Automatically Generated: do not edit this file' >autoscan.list sed '/^[#]/!q' ./autoscan.pre >>autoscan.list ( \ sed -n '/^[^#]/p' ./autoscan.pre; \ - autom4te_perllibdir=3D'../..'/lib = -AUTOM4TE_CFG=3D'../../lib/autom4te.cfg' + autom4te_perllibdir='../..'/lib = +AUTOM4TE_CFG='../../lib/autom4te.cfg' ../../bin/autom4te -B '../..'/lib -B '../..'/lib --cache '' -M = -l autoconf -t'AN_OUTPUT:$1: $2 $3' \ -) | LC_ALL=3DC sort >>autoscan.list +) | LC_ALL=C sort >>autoscan.list make[2]: Leaving directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/autoscan' Making all in emacs make[2]: Entering directory = `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/emacs' WARNING: Warnings can be ignored. :-) -if test "no" !=3D no; then \ +if test "no" != no; then \ set x; \ - list=3D'autoconf-mode.el autotest-mode.el'; for p in $list; do \ - if test -f "$p"; then d=3D; else d=3D"./"; fi; \ + list='autoconf-mode.el autotest-mode.el'; for p in $list; do \ + if test -f "$p"; then d=; else d="./"; fi; \ set x "$@" "$d$p"; shift; \ done; \ shift; \ - EMACS=3D"no" /bin/sh ../../config/elisp-comp "$@" || exit 1; \ + EMACS="no" /bin/sh ../../config/elisp-comp "$@" || exit 1; \ else : ; fi make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib/emacs' make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/lib' @@ -18784,13 +16184,13 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/autoconf-2.60/tests' --------- ->=20 +> > I move from Autoconf-2.5x to Autoconf-2.60 because: > (1) it does fix a bug, that turns out to be serious in later > development for Axiom (partly because of some bugs in Axiom). > (2) all my development machines have Autoconf-2.60 installed > (prepackages with the linux distribution). ->=20 +> > As I see this, I can the reasonable choice for me is to stop any > work related to Axiom on windows; that save me valuable time, and > probably spares me from unwarranted unhelpful characterizations @@ -18823,20 +16223,10 @@ someone else to do it). I'm sorry to hear that. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:28:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceASeI9iA/NGjABTTWnrGdrBmeS0AAEZAqw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: comment On April 16, 2007 1:09 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -18921,54 +16311,45 @@ the current situation. To me, progress occurs when we manage to cooperate and work smoothly together to achieve a common goal. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:43:08 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceAC7hltYLvDNjVSwSv2nwK8NxPywAUhe2A -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 16, 2007 5:44 AM Martin Rubey wrote: ->=20 -> I'm a little frustrated with work, so I started to mess=20 +> +> I'm a little frustrated with work, so I started to mess > around with mangling docstrings. ->=20 +> > unfortunately, Kai is not answering... But maybe you can > help. I'll try. ->=20 -> I need the following (please keep in mind that I know little=20 +> +> I need the following (please keep in mind that I know little > html, and nearly no javascript, so I really depend on you) Ok. ->=20 +> > I would like to communicate between a browser and axiom. > More precisely, I would like to send a single command like ->=20 +> > getHtmlDocumentation("stretch") ->=20 -> from the browser to axiom, and present the result in the=20 +> +> from the browser to axiom, and present the result in the > browser, maybe in a separate frame, but that's probably a > detail. The result will be a (long) string containing html code, > like: > ... > (possibly I can modify tex4ht output a little in order to make > it more concise...) ->=20 -> I know of the email=20 ->=20 +> +> I know of the email +> > = http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-04/msg00141.htm= l @@ -19005,21 +16386,14 @@ it would then permit us to run MathAction on Windows as one option for user interface to Axiom with browser support similar to hyperdoc. (This is possible now under linux). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Apr 2007 21:49:19 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Another alternative would be to write a script in Python or Perl which > prepares the input from the browser, starts Axiom, runs the input, collects @@ -19036,28 +16410,18 @@ This stuff should run without administrator or root privileges. It's just to show that it works. More elegant solutions can be implemented by those who know later. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:56:38 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Quoting Bill Page: > On April 16, 2007 12:22 PM wrote: ->> =20 +>> >> Quoting Bill Page: ->> =20 +>> >> > On April 16, 2007 3:32 AM Gaby wrote: >> > >> >> @@ -19067,7 +16431,7 @@ Quoting Bill Page: >> > >> > What do you mean that GCL does not work under cygwin? It works >> > for me. You just can't compile it under cygwin. ->> =20 +>> >> That means the same thing for me: If I cannot compile it under >> cygwin, it does not work for me as far as Axiom development is >> concerned. @@ -19102,7 +16466,7 @@ Quoting Bill Page: [...] ->> =20 +>> >> What I want is to have a reasonable development under windows >> -- whether it is mingw or cygwin, I don't care much. The only >> thing I care about is that the environment does not disrupt @@ -19115,12 +16479,12 @@ yes, I believed you. The trouble is that it is not working for me at the moment. So, the fact that it works for you is good, but at moment it does not help me make forward progress. -> =20 +> >> >> I guess the fact that windows people on this list don't >> >> help that much to make concrete forward progress is OK. >> > >> > I think that is typical. ->> =20 +>> >> OK; I believe the logical conclusion for me is probably that >> I drop any work on Axiom on windows. > @@ -19131,7 +16495,7 @@ Indeed. If I had infinite amount of time, I may continue this infinite argumentation either. > ->> =20 +>> >> Granted you can reproduce the problems, but the solution you >> suggested did not work for me. I moved ActivePerl's path away >> from /bin and /mingw/bin. @@ -19179,7 +16543,7 @@ set up. If you can't trust me, you can't help me :-) > ->> ...=20 +>> ... >> But I already have MSYS pre-packaged components from mingw.org! >> > @@ -19191,7 +16555,7 @@ yes -- if that was not clear, yes, yes, yes, yes. >> > >> > MSYS is not a linux distro by any imagination but I think the >> > same principle applies. ->> =20 +>> >> Which implies that I should not even try your suggestion of >> installing Autoconf-2.61 from a non-officially supported third >> party. I don't think your statements are coherent. @@ -19211,7 +16575,7 @@ But, I'm sure there people on this list that can sort this out, so my not working anymore on windows+axiom is not a big deal. > ->> =20 +>> >> Bill -- again, building Autoconf-2.60 does not work on the >> "virgin" msys/mingw fails as an infinite loop. >> @@ -19246,13 +16610,13 @@ to effectively stop the build, except killing the msys shell itself. > ->> =20 +>> >> I move from Autoconf-2.5x to Autoconf-2.60 because: >> (1) it does fix a bug, that turns out to be serious in later >> development for Axiom (partly because of some bugs in Axiom). >> (2) all my development machines have Autoconf-2.60 installed >> (prepackages with the linux distribution). ->> =20 +>> >> As I see this, I can the reasonable choice for me is to stop any >> work related to Axiom on windows; that save me valuable time, and >> probably spares me from unwarranted unhelpful characterizations @@ -19298,21 +16662,10 @@ I was hoping to make it better, but I faced issues and I did not find the kind of resources that would help me make progress. I do hope someone in this community has better chance that I. --- Gaby - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:03:37 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - Alfredo Portes, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes, Martin Rubey Subject: browser > Another alternative would be to write a script in Python or @@ -19323,18 +16676,11 @@ Subject: browser Jose already has this working in Doyen. I'm sure he could help. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:52:04 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:52:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceAguDclMphPHWdTKO9wJS7OGI2aAAITLKg -Cc: 'axiom-dev' On April 16, 2007 7:57 PM Gaby wrote: > ... @@ -19410,18 +16756,10 @@ any problem. Stunned. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:11:15 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: NE with bootsys (build-improvements) Hello, @@ -19451,18 +16789,10 @@ make && make install the file /home/greg/axiom.bi.debug/bin is the axiom script (and not a directory). -Greg - - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:17:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: +To: list Subject: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant The function testInterpolant in guessing package has the following @@ -19487,18 +16817,10 @@ types are identical. BTW: I found the problem because generated Lisp also have duplicate argument and SBCL chokes on it (GCL did not complain). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Apr 2007 06:53:34 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -19531,17 +16853,10 @@ other typos) within two hours or so. Does this mean that you have axiom with sbcl running? - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:44:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -19586,18 +16901,12 @@ build. I did not try any serous tests yet, so I expect a lot more problems. And to have fully functional Axiom we need mere code (especially sockets). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:59:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Why not? It is not necessary to build gcl as part of the Axiom @@ -19614,22 +16923,12 @@ installation (the gcl readme claims that on Windows gcl need a specific, rather old Mingw version -- for me downgrading Mingw is not an option)? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:35:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceBoEXZqlMr4aFwS6CLyCX15WbRyQAM/GhQ -Cc: Camm Maguire, - 'axiom-dev' , gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis On April 18, 2007 6:00 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -19681,21 +16980,12 @@ to compile object code. I think a similar binary installer for GCL should include these same parts of MinGW so that the GCL installation will be complete and fully functional. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:32:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceBniBLdbcc2y0CQxWU4p4GP0jujQAasMqQ -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Axiom sockets in SPAD +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 18, 2007 5:44 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -19718,13 +17008,6 @@ discussed recently by Martin. I would be very interested in any help and advice you can give me on how to make this work. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -19917,14 +17200,11 @@ KQo= --0-1783017166-1176954120=:28034-- - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:55:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... > I have been attempting to generalize Waldek's finite state machine > using macros, and have essentially run up against the limits of my tiny @@ -19975,20 +17255,11 @@ could write: and the macros would automatically generate intermediate states. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Lisp macro fun... --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -20022,22 +17293,12 @@ accidentally introduce any performance hits. That's what I'm trying to achieve. I guess I need to think more about how to set up the macros. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: list Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:07:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: Issue 330. +Cc: Camm Maguire Issue 330 just happened to me -- working in Axiom I left gazonk0.fn file. Later working as another user I got failures because this @@ -20078,7 +17339,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:11:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , + Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -20132,22 +17393,12 @@ and line number (as two separate arguments). In such case we probably should provide a few example editors -- that is shell functions which call say emacs, vi, maybe kdvi. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and - build-improvements -From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:29:23 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -20396,18 +17647,12 @@ fi \end{document} - - - \start Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:44:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox - and build-improvements - <9qirbro65o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Request for wh-sandbox and build-improvements +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch > For kdvi, the case is a little more complicated, but not too much: most > importantly, we would need to find the right file number in the spad.tex file, @@ -20430,18 +17675,10 @@ and a good naming scheme for the .pamphlet - .tex relation. I could convince the current maintainer of srcltx.sty to include an appropriate hook for filename translation into srcltx.sty version 1.6. -All the best -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:03:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd5X9g7Wpr2x2QDQMefVsRka1v+7AJVxHZA -Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Building GCL and Axiom on Nexenta OpenSolaris On April 7, 2007 5:58 PM C Y wrote: @@ -20489,24 +17726,16 @@ I particularlly like the integration of the Debian work-a-like Performance under Microsoft Virtual PC on my AMD 4200+ dual core machine is quite fast. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -From: Camm Maguire Date: 20 Apr 2007 12:14:43 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On April 18, 2007 6:00 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > > @@ -20611,29 +17840,12 @@ individual with interest. How big will this be? Who can tell me exactly what that means in terms of files shipped? -Take care, - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:49:07 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Dear Bill, Kai! @@ -20657,63 +17869,31 @@ I got it actually to work. I have two problems, though: And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? - -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qmz12f9qk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:56:27 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Kai Kaminski +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Martin Rubey writes: > I got it actually to work. I have two problems, though: -> -> * The stuff I write after "http://localhost:8085" is received by foo in -> all-uppercase always, but I need to preserve case. Is there a case -> preserving character as "|" in lisp? - -oh, the case preserving character is "|"! Remains: - -> * How can I close the socket? -> -> And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? -> -> -> Many thanks, -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - +> +> * The stuff I write after "http://localhost:8085" is received by foo in +> all-uppercase always, but I need to preserve case. Is there a case +> preserving character as "|" in lisp? +oh, the case preserving character is "|"! Remains: + +> * How can I close the socket? +> +> And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qmz12f9qk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qirbq40us.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 10:03:08 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Kai Kaminski +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Sorry, yet another question: How do I have to modify foo @@ -20736,36 +17916,12 @@ and I want the browser to display that page. > > > > And finally, does this work in MS Windows, too? -Many thanks, - -Martin - -> > -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:24:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceD6YxuiKc5o7wxR6anPVbiCBEHsAAEwBvw -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 3:49 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -20809,21 +17965,12 @@ to build Axiom on Windows using build-improvements or by subsituting gcl-2.6.7pre into the source code from the axiom--windows--1 tla archive. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:14:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceD64EcaqU/NEB5RPajugszg95qYAAE9HSw -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 4:03 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -20889,22 +18036,12 @@ the server. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Bill Page'" Bill Page, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:15:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceD64EcaqU/NEB5RPajugszg95qYAAE9HSwAATmAuA= -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 7:14 AM I wrote: > @@ -21032,21 +18169,14 @@ With this simple approach I think it should be quite easy to implement the HyperDoc functionaliy using a standard web browser. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:20:26 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Oh ... Now that I have had a cup of coffee and woken up a > little, [...censored...] @@ -21101,19 +18231,12 @@ localhost:8080/stretch.html or some such. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:43:48 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21144,21 +18267,12 @@ The second thing is to send which is a nuisance. Isn't there a way to make it read just the local directory? Oh well, maybe its even better that way. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 16:57:46 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21193,20 +18307,12 @@ Got / The other variant works fine, however is quite useless for my purpose. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhhbwr9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 17:20:21 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21237,21 +18343,12 @@ A typo: Is the problem that "Location:" expects a http: specification? I'm quite clueless... -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhhbwr9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qzm51ycsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 17:45:26 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski There appear to be at least two different errors in the code below. @@ -21298,16 +18395,11 @@ Martin \start +Date: 21 Apr 2007 19:01:17 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qlkgln5y3.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqhhbwr9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qzm51ycsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qejmdbujt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 Apr 2007 19:01:17 +0200 -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski Dear http experts, @@ -21324,27 +18416,19 @@ now works with lynx, but gives the acces denied message in konqueror. :-( I do not have any other browser to try, and I really want it to work with konqueror anyway. Whom could I ask? - -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:05:01 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceELBY+FbSLssCdRRS+VyKXkTuXiwAAIibg -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin, On April 21, 2007 11:45 AM you wrote: ->=20 +> > There appear to be at least two different errors in the code below. ->=20 +> > (defun server (s) > (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) > (fn (and (eq get 'get) (read s nil 'eof)))) @@ -21353,11 +18437,11 @@ On April 21, 2007 11:45 AM you wrote: > (format s "Location: > file:/users/rubey/martin/Axiom/hyperdoc-replacement/stretch.html~%") > (close s))) ->=20 +> > gives ->=20 +> > An error occurred while loading http://localhost:8080/x: -> Access denied to=20 +> Access denied to > file:///users/rubey/martin/Axiom/hyperdoc-replacement/stretch.html. Don't be too easily discouraged. Because it is a communications @@ -21385,7 +18469,7 @@ file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Administrator.ASUS/My%20Documents/2= Notice that the drive letter C: is the first thing after /// and also that spaces must be converted to %20 codes. ->=20 +> > (defun server (s) > (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) > (fn (and (eq get 'get) (read s nil 'eof)))) @@ -21393,12 +18477,12 @@ and also that spaces must be converted to %20 codes. > (format s "HTTP/1.1 ~S~%" (if fn 303 403)) > (format s "Location: http://mat.univie.ac.at") > (close s))) ->=20 +> > seems to work > Great. -=20 + > (defun server (s) > (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) > (fn (and (eq get 'get) (read s nil 'eof)))) @@ -21406,11 +18490,11 @@ Great. > (format s "HTTP/1.1 ~S~%" (if fn 303 403)) > (format s "Location: ~S~% "http://mat.univie.ac.at") > (close s))) ->=20 +> > gives "Got /" forever. ->=20 +> > Please Help! ->=20 +> That's a syntax error. The string "Location: ~S~%" is a format. ~S is replaced with a string, ~% is replaced with @@ -21435,21 +18519,14 @@ where t stands for the constand "true" and represents the 'standard out' stream. I recommend you test the format first with t and later change it to s. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 19:23:30 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > An error occurred while loading http://localhost:8080/x: @@ -21488,18 +18565,12 @@ Yes. But the syntax error happened while pasting into my mail window. Sorry about that. It still won't work. But I guess, I will be able to solve that one. The other one is a show-stopper, though. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:30:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9q3b2tdd1x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +Cc: Kai Kaminski > Yes, that's the idea. In fact, I also want to do some caching, since tex4ht is > rather slow: every function has - by design of axiom - a unique identifier, @@ -21511,18 +18582,12 @@ also think of something like DomA: with {foo: Integer -> %} == add ... -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:02:41 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceEOclivgvQymxbT6iSSwxu5eTlGgAAnZaw -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Martin, @@ -21576,21 +18641,14 @@ http://kb.mozillazine.org/Links_to_local_pages_do_not_work And Konqueror is supposed to just give a warning. Did you see that? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 21:37:56 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Or we could just add a couple of extra lisp commands to open > and send the contents of the file ourselves. @@ -21672,23 +18730,16 @@ with security settings. The "small" webservers, can they be installed without being root? -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:04:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceETJEYiPv0c512Sgy+9yj3qSJrIwAASK6g -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski On April 21, 2007 3:38 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Or we could just add a couple of extra lisp commands to > > open and send the contents of the file ourselves. @@ -21824,19 +18875,12 @@ Agreed. Yes, so long as you assign a non-standard port number >1024 and don't have an aggressive firewall policy. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Apr 2007 22:52:30 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement +Cc: Kai Kaminski Dear all, @@ -21877,20 +18921,11 @@ I hope that some of you not occupied with more important things -- like working on build improvements, waldek sandbox, trunk, or multisort species :-) -- chime in, -Martin - - - - \start -To: list, -Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement -From: Jay Belanger - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:00:02 -0500 - of "21 Apr 2007 22\:52\:30 +0200") -Cc: - +From: Jay Belanger +To: list +Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement Martin Rubey writes: @@ -21904,21 +18939,12 @@ For knuckledraggers such as myself, could some more detail on how to start this be added to the page? How should I load the lisp code, for example? How should the spad code be loaded? -Thanks, -Jay - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:04:03 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' - -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------050202030902080207010205 +Cc: Kai Kaminski Hi Martin, @@ -22401,15 +19427,11 @@ Dbbs+aqcRGCXeBFm3z4slcJyD9M0h253iSK56UOHMBx7XOheUdj3xqjF3DHVHXW0OcuOq8oa 6F67AJABAA== --------------050202030902080207010205-- - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:09:23 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> -Cc: list On 4/21/07, Jay Belanger wrote: @@ -22423,18 +19445,11 @@ On 4/21/07, Jay Belanger wrote: Yes, please Martin or Bill. -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:26:03 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:26:03 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -22481,17 +19496,12 @@ Martin (added also to the page) - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:48:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 07:48:00 +0200 -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +Cc: Kai Kaminski Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -22554,20 +19564,11 @@ By the way caching, I forgot one ToDo which is quite straightforward: You fall into the "occupied with more important things" category anyway. :-) (just kidding, don't take this serious) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:14:43 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Thank you Martin. @@ -22600,22 +19601,11 @@ This is what I get when doing the last step: protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 08:33:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 08:33:57 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: > I know you wanted to test this on Windows also. I do not know if you @@ -22638,22 +19628,11 @@ No, I do not have a Windows box. Oh dear. Bill, PLEASE help! Does GREP refer to the unix grep, maybe? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:47:02 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qwt04or3e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > > (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) > > Loading /Documents and Settings/alfredo/hyper/HYPER.NRLIB/code for @@ -22672,24 +19651,11 @@ I was thinking the same, but I have a port of grep on my path and I still get the error. Maybe Bill knows if I am missing something. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:14:30 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qwt04or3e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:14:30 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -22714,24 +19680,11 @@ with "binomial.html" Type: String If this succeeds, then the problem is in the lisp code. Otherwise, we have a problem in the spad code. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:38:59 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87k5w5p9bx.fsf@truman.edu> - - <9qlkglyo7o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qwt04or3e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qmz10khih.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list > Alfredo, could you please try > @@ -22752,13 +19705,10 @@ Same error: protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) - - \start -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:13:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -22790,18 +19740,10 @@ calls grep, but apparently Alfredo has $standard set to nil, which means that Axiom is trying to use Windows Saturn interface (and part of it is removed). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:56:38 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Please join! Hi Waldek, @@ -22816,15 +19758,12 @@ Thank you for the detective work. I am using the windows version of axiom. Is there any work around? or should I try to compile build-improvements in windows? - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:01:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' +Cc: Kai Kaminski This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020909070803070901090904 @@ -22949,18 +19888,12 @@ Ralf --------------020909070803070901090904-- - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:11:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462B3275.2000603@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski > Currently I have only Internet access via Windows and all my work lives > in the Linux partition. If somebody tells me how to access the Linux @@ -22970,15 +19903,10 @@ Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , list I think this could work for you: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs, if your partitions are ext2 or ext3. -Alfredo - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:47:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -23000,25 +19928,12 @@ You could try: )lisp (setf |$standard| 't) )lisp (setf |$saturn| 'nil) - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:15:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462B3275.2000603@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - -Cc: Kai Oliver Kaminski , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski Alfredo Portes wrote: >> Currently I have only Internet access via Windows and all my work lives @@ -23032,18 +19947,10 @@ Alfredo Portes wrote: Wonderful. Thank's a lot. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:19:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey - -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! > You could try: @@ -23068,18 +19975,10 @@ I look at the spad code: but I do not know what ops.eq.(doc::Symbol) should had returned. -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:26:39 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey - - -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! I should also point out that I got this the first time I ran the command: @@ -23110,20 +20009,12 @@ On 4/22/07, Alfredo Portes wrote: > then "error.html" > > but I do not know what ops.eq.(doc::Symbol) should had returned. -> -> Alfredo -> - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:32:21 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceEy6tEIv5NWtHqTiKvCux6/XCjNwAJyHMg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 6:48 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -23152,21 +20043,11 @@ about what you mean by "Windows Saturn interface"? What is Saturn? Plus, assuming I did not know the answer, how would I find out from the Axiom documentation and source code? -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: re: Please join! -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:06:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Please join! Bill Page wrote: > On April 22, 2007 6:48 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -23217,19 +20098,10 @@ But to find out more (and what I wrote is almost all that I know about Saturn) you need to read this mailing list (Saturn were mentioned few times during user interface discussions). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:44:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceE+C1LCRdQ3+tESP+Am59hQ06l3QAAODIg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Saturn and Windows (was: Please join!) On April 22, 2007 12:06 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -23337,22 +20209,10 @@ included by default in the Unix build. It modified the Lisp commands kSearch, cSearch, dSearch etc. to produce TeX output with embeded hyperlinks." ------ - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes - - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2007 19:46:45 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Please join! Dear Alfredo, @@ -23373,20 +20233,10 @@ should return a list of docstrings for the various implementations of binomial. Anybody knows which version is the most windows friendly to support this? DOes it work in build-improvements or in patch-50? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:02:29 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey - - - <9qfy6spaii.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Please join! > it seems that your axiom is too old. I remember that database access was also @@ -23401,20 +20251,11 @@ Is Waldek branch able to compile in Windows or is it missing anything significant from build-improvements to achieve this? -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:11:37 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFCGhVNm189N++R/G91hbQzBWMSAAANL2w -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 2:02 PM Alfredo Portes @@ -23440,18 +20281,10 @@ this test? It is not possible (yet) to compile wh-sandbox on Windows. I am working on it. Any help would be appreciated. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2007 20:23:47 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Versions with database support I just checked. On Linux, @@ -23477,19 +20310,11 @@ seems to work I write "seems", since I do not have a reliable set of axiom versions. These are just the versions which happen to be on my harddisk, except the first one. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:47:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Please join! - <008901c78509$af225090$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -23507,20 +20332,11 @@ In http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries it says version 0.1.4. Anything I can do to help just let me know. Martin just emailed that build-improvements seems to have browsing the databases working. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:00:15 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFDp39qXI6jFRMSceyqA1Sw9WnoQAAY42A -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Please join! Alfredo, @@ -23550,20 +20366,11 @@ As you can see that version REALY old... A good first step would be to re-compile a new version of Axiom for Windows using the build-improvements sources. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:23:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Please join! - <008e01c78510$7cfee900$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Bill, @@ -23576,16 +20383,11 @@ What else do I need before I try to compile it. How would it affect that build-improvements do not compile noweb anymore (hope I am correct about that last statement), do i need to install it manually? -Alfredo - - - \start -Subject: re: Please join! -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:29:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Please join! Bill Page wrote: > On April 22, 2007 2:02 PM Alfredo Portes @@ -23937,23 +20739,12 @@ Index: src/etc/ChangeLog.build-improvements * asq.c.pamphlet: Include axiom-c-macros.h. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:31:35 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Please join! re: Axiom HyperDoc Replacement - <9qejmdwiup.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462AB483.1080501@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qlkglarjj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <462B3275.2000603@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -Cc: 'Kai Oliver Kaminski' , list +Cc: Kai Kaminski On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Currently I have only Internet access via Windows and all my work lives in @@ -23963,18 +20754,11 @@ On Sun, 22 Apr 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: If your Linux partition is ext2 or ext3, use http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ -Andrey - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:39:19 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFHAkBvoDYn/L1TUOj1sAFxGhcOQAAcTDg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Please join! Alfredo, @@ -24005,20 +20789,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSilverBranch You can use the version of gcl that is in build-improvements but you must now install noweb your self. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Apr 2007 23:26:45 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: htlatex and links Dear Ralf, @@ -24042,21 +20816,11 @@ Is there an easy way to accomplish this? I would like to avoid having to replace all "bad" characters like $ and ` with others, but I realize that, in fact, that's what you advised me to do anyway. -Thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:15:51 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Please join! - <00a501c7851e$4ff72ae0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: list Bill, Gaby @@ -24076,20 +20840,11 @@ make[1]: *** [unixport/saved_pre_gcl] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/e/axiom/gcl' make: *** [build/i686-pc-mingw32/bin/gcl.exe] Error 2 -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:40:16 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFK8najCW6IztGSeGzrJ3tuZFNKAAAZ5dg -Cc: list - +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 6:16 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -24168,29 +20923,12 @@ On my system I used the above procedure to put gcl in /usr/local/bin because I am also working with wh-sandbox which does not include even gcl. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:36:28 -0400 - boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C78515.882286C0" -Thread-Index: AceFNwwvxEJ+lruLT0KK6zqrEBnG+A== -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - -------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C78515.882286C0 - charset="us-ascii" - Gaby, In my email: @@ -24239,9 +20977,9 @@ Bill Page. filename="windows-mike.patch" Index: src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -1246,7 +1246,7 @@=0A= @@ -24254,9 +20992,9 @@ Index: src/interp/daase.lisp.pamphlet=0A= =0A= ;; rewrite this so it works in mnt=0A= Index: src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@=0A= @@ -24282,9 +21020,9 @@ Index: src/interp/nlib.lisp.pamphlet=0A= (if (equal (libstream-mode rstream) 'output) (error "not input = stream"))=0A= Index: src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -92,7 +92,7 @@=0A= @@ -24334,9 +21072,9 @@ VMLISP::|union|=0A= (lisp:import '(vmlisp::make-input-filename))=0A= (lisp:import '(vmlisp::libstream-dirname))=0A= Index: src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/interp/construc.lisp.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -147,8 +147,8 @@=0A= @@ -24369,9 +21107,9 @@ outname))=0A= =0A= (defun |pathname| (p)=0A= Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A= +========================== +========================== +==================0A= --- src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet (revision 512)=0A= +++ src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet (working copy)=0A= @@ -49,11 +49,14 @@=0A= @@ -24404,11 +21142,11 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= {=0A= char *path, *newpath;=0A= @@ -91,7 +100,7 @@=0A= - if (newpath =3D=3D NULL)=0A= + if (newpath == NULL)=0A= return -1;=0A= =0A= -- sprintf(newpath, "PATH=3D%s:%s", path, dir);=0A= -+ sprintf(newpath, "PATH=3D%s;%s", path, dir); /* MSYS/MinGW ??? */=0A= +- sprintf(newpath, "PATH=%s:%s", path, dir);=0A= ++ sprintf(newpath, "PATH=%s;%s", path, dir); /* MSYS/MinGW ??? */=0A= =0A= return putenv(newpath);=0A= }=0A= @@ -24416,16 +21154,16 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= directoryp(char *path)=0A= {=0A= struct stat buf;=0A= -- int code =3D stat(path, &buf);=0A= +- int code = stat(path, &buf);=0A= + int code;=0A= =0A= -- return code =3D=3D -1 ? -1 : S_ISDIR(buf.st_mode);=0A= -+ code =3D stat(path, &buf);=0A= -+ if (code =3D=3D -1) {=0A= +- return code == -1 ? -1 : S_ISDIR(buf.st_mode);=0A= ++ code = stat(path, &buf);=0A= ++ if (code == -1) {=0A= + return (-1);=0A= + }=0A= + else {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IFDIR) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IFDIR) != 0);=0A= + }=0A= }=0A= =0A= @@ -24445,44 +21183,44 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= int =0A= make_path_from_file(char *s, char *t)=0A= {=0A= -- char *pos =3D "";=0A= -+ char *pos =3D NULL;=0A= +- char *pos = "";=0A= ++ char *pos = NULL;=0A= char *c;=0A= =0A= /** simply copies the path name from t into s **/=0A= - for (c =3D t + strlen(t); c !=3D s; c--)=0A= -- if (*c =3D=3D '/') {=0A= -+ if ( ( *c =3D=3D '/' ) || ( *c =3D=3D '\\' ) ) {=0A= - pos =3D c;=0A= + for (c = t + strlen(t); c != s; c--)=0A= +- if (*c == '/') {=0A= ++ if ( ( *c == '/' ) || ( *c == '\\' ) ) {=0A= + pos = c;=0A= break;=0A= }=0A= @@ -202,22 +230,28 @@=0A= - if (code =3D=3D -1) {=0A= + if (code == -1) {=0A= /** The file does not exist, so check to see=0A= if the directory is writable *****/=0A= -- if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) =3D=3D -1=0A= -- || stat(newpath, &buf) =3D=3D -1)=0A= +- if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) == -1=0A= +- || stat(newpath, &buf) == -1)=0A= - return -1;=0A= -=0A= - return 2 * axiom_has_write_access(&buf);=0A= -+ if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) =3D=3D -1 ||=0A= -+ stat(newpath, &buf) =3D=3D -1) {=0A= ++ if (make_path_from_file(newpath, path) == -1 ||=0A= ++ stat(newpath, &buf) == -1) {=0A= + return (-1);=0A= + }=0A= }=0A= -=0A= - return axiom_has_write_access(&buf);=0A= -+ else if (geteuid() =3D=3D buf.st_uid) {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWUSR) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) {=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWUSR) != 0);=0A= +#ifdef S_IWGRP=0A= + }=0A= -+ else if (getegid() =3D=3D buf.st_gid) {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWGRP) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) {=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWGRP) != 0);=0A= +#endif=0A= +#ifdef S_IWOTH=0A= + }=0A= + else {=0A= -+ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWOTH) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ return ((buf.st_mode & S_IWOTH) != 0);=0A= +#endif=0A= + };=0A= + return ( 1 ); /* MSYS/MinGW */=0A= @@ -24500,29 +21238,29 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= @@ -225,26 +259,26 @@=0A= int code;=0A= =0A= - code =3D stat(path, &buf);=0A= -- if (code =3D=3D -1)=0A= + code = stat(path, &buf);=0A= +- if (code == -1)=0A= - return -1;=0A= -=0A= -- if (geteuid() =3D=3D buf.st_uid) =0A= -+ if (code =3D=3D -1) {=0A= +- if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) =0A= ++ if (code == -1) {=0A= + return (-1);=0A= + }=0A= -+ else if (geteuid() =3D=3D buf.st_uid) {=0A= - return ((buf.st_mode & S_IREAD) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (geteuid() == buf.st_uid) {=0A= + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IREAD) != 0);=0A= -=0A= -#ifdef S_IRGRP =0A= -- if (getegid() =3D=3D buf.st_gid) =0A= +- if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) =0A= +#ifdef S_IRGRP=0A= + }=0A= -+ else if (getegid() =3D=3D buf.st_gid) {=0A= - return ((buf.st_mode & S_IRGRP) !=3D 0);=0A= ++ else if (getegid() == buf.st_gid) {=0A= + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IRGRP) != 0);=0A= #endif=0A= -=0A= #ifdef S_IROTH=0A= + }=0A= + else {=0A= - return ((buf.st_mode & S_IROTH) !=3D 0);=0A= + return ((buf.st_mode & S_IROTH) != 0);=0A= -#else=0A= - return 0;=0A= #endif=0A= @@ -24538,18 +21276,11 @@ Index: src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01C78515.882286C0-- - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: Please join! Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:32:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceFHPKntTOuUjqST0ukyP2jaez9rAARzunQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: Please join! On April 22, 2007 4:29 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -24820,7 +21551,7 @@ Index: ChangeLog.wh + 2007-04-21 Waldek Hebisch Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis - Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Humberto Zuazaga + Humberto Zuazaga Index: config/var-def.mk =================================================================== --- config/var-def.mk (revision 512) @@ -24924,22 +21655,12 @@ Index: configure.ac.pamphlet [touch], [AC_MSG_ERROR(['touch' program is missing.])]) AC_CHECK_PROGS([MKTEMP], [mktemp]) ------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 23 Apr 2007 10:38:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: htlatex and links -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Apr 2007 10:38:00 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Dear all, @@ -24959,19 +21680,11 @@ should also work well on windows. I was thinking of creating an md5 checksum and use that, but it appears suboptimal to me, since it is not really bijective and looks too complicated. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:56:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: htlatex and links - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Martin, look into ALLPROSE. Compile a .dvi File and then hover over a link in the Exports part of a type. @@ -25018,17 +21731,11 @@ On 04/23/2007 10:38 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: Why do you need bijectivity at all? All you want is a cache, right? So md5 seems OK to me. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:08:49 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: htlatex and links - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:08:49 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -25059,18 +21766,10 @@ more flexible. I would have thought that gzip -c | somesimpleencoder would be ideal for that purpose. But I couldn't find any encoder that uses only letters and digits. -Martin - - - - \start -Cc: axiom-dev - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> - <9qps5vxxsu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:20:15 +0200 -Posted-To: comp.lang.lisp +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Base32 encoder needed The following message is a courtesy copy of an article @@ -25080,51 +21779,30 @@ Dear all, finally I know what I want: a base32 encoder. Anybody has one available? -thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed - <9qlkgjbi53.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> - <9qps5vxxsu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qy7kj8n1s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2007 11:30:27 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed Ralf, could you teach me how to use -http://search.cpan.org/dist/MIME-Base32/Base32.pm - -I want to do something like - -echo "binomial`(_$,_$)->_$`OutputForm" | gzip -c | base32 - - -Well, additionally I have the problem that I somehow need to get this into a -string variable within axiom. - - - - -Many thanks, +http://search.cpan.org/dist/MIME-Base32/Base32.pm -Martin +I want to do something like +echo "binomial`(_$,_$)->_$`OutputForm" | gzip -c | base32 +Well, additionally I have the problem that I somehow need to get this into a +string variable within axiom. \start -To: list Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:39:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: wh-sandbox As of revision 513 wh-sandbox should build both with CLtL1 gcl @@ -25138,20 +21816,11 @@ but there are problems in some tests and some changes does not look good. I commited most of obvious fixes to 513, but the rest will take some time. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:41:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: htlatex and links - <462C74BD.4030501@hemmecke.de> - <9qps5vxxsu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev On 04/23/2007 11:08 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -25192,14 +21861,10 @@ somesimpleencoder = base64encoder http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64 -Ralf - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Apr 2007 13:07:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: HyperDoc replacement Dear all, @@ -25232,20 +21897,10 @@ la \spadfun and \spad) and maybe I will add support to search for Constructors. Waldek, do you know how I get the lists of attributes, uses, users and dependents? - - -Hope this leads somewhere, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:29:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Duplicate argument in testInterpolant Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -25268,19 +21923,11 @@ I did not receive a new version from you. But since you say that obvious patch is OK in revision 513 I just removed the second copy of the argument. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev - +Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed I don't know if this is what you're after (plus, it's GPL) but there is this: @@ -25296,34 +21943,12 @@ http://darcs.informatimago.com/darcs/public/lisp/common-lisp/rfc3548.lisp > > finally I know what I want: a base32 encoder. Anybody has one > available? -> -> thanks, -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wh-sandbox -To: Waldek Hebisch, list -Cc: - EXCELLENT news! Very impressive work. @@ -25334,8 +21959,6 @@ correctly. Thanks for all your efforts! -CY - --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: > As of revision 513 wh-sandbox should build both with CLtL1 gcl @@ -25348,32 +21971,12 @@ CY > but there are problems in some tests and some changes does not > look good. I commited most of obvious fixes to 513, but the > rest will take some time. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - \start +Date: 23 Apr 2007 14:46:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Base32 encoder needed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 23 Apr 2007 14:46:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -25417,17 +22020,11 @@ instead. And of course, the proper way would be to write a tiny wrapper package for rfc3548.lisp and another one for gzip-stream, but I'm not going to do it. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:34:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox CY wrote: > A question - is there a configure option at the Axiom toplevel to build @@ -25439,18 +22036,12 @@ CY wrote: ANSI GCL must be installed externally, use --with-lisp=/path/to/lisp configure option to choose which Lisp is used for build. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:38:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Gaby, > @@ -25518,18 +22109,11 @@ Changes to src/lib/cfuns-c.c.pamphlet look backwards: the final "return 1;" statement (which effectivly disables permission checking on Windows). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:51:32 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: ANSI GCL build success confirmed -Cc: list Confirmed on Gentoo Linux with latest checkouts: @@ -25553,15 +22137,11 @@ Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ (1) -> - - - \start -Subject: Re: ANSI GCL build success confirmed -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:41:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: ANSI GCL build success confirmed C Y wrote: > Confirmed on Gentoo Linux with latest checkouts: @@ -25569,26 +22149,10 @@ C Y wrote: Good. Thanks for trying. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:51 -0400 From: Jacques Carette -To: list, "'aldor-l'" , - Haskell Cafe , OCaml , - epigram@durham.ac.uk, - felix-language , - metaocaml-hackers-l@cs.rice.edu, om@openmath.org - Antispam-Data: 2007.4.25.64733 - __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, - __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, - __STOCK_PHRASE_7 0, __USER_AGENT 0' - sigma957.cis.mcmaster.ca id l3PE3tY5020353 -Cc: +To: list Subject: Programming Languages and Mechanised Mathematics -- deadline extension @@ -25601,19 +22165,19 @@ As part of Calculemus 2007 Hagenbergs, Austria June 29-30, 2007. -The intent of this workshop is to examine more closely the intersection=20 +The intent of this workshop is to examine more closely the intersection between programming languages and mechanized mathematics systems (MMS). By MMS, w= e understand computer algebra systems (CAS), [automated] theorem provers (TP/ATP), all heading towards the development of fully unified systems (t= he -MMS), sometimes also called universal mathematical assistant systems=20 +MMS), sometimes also called universal mathematical assistant systems (MAS) (see Calculemus 2007 ). -There are various ways in which these two subjects of /programming=20 +There are various ways in which these two subjects of /programming languages/ and /systems for mathematics/ meet: * Many systems for mathematics contain a dedicated programming @@ -25661,38 +22225,38 @@ These issues have a very colourful history. Many programming language innovations first appeared in either CASes or Proof Assistants, before migrating towards more mainstream languages. One can cite (in no particul= ar -order) type inference, dependent types, generics, term-rewriting,=20 +order) type inference, dependent types, generics, term-rewriting, first-class types, first-class expressions, first-class modules, code extraction, and= so -on. However, a number of these innovations were never aggressively=20 +on. However, a number of these innovations were never aggressively pursued by system builders, letting them instead be developped (slowly) by programmi= ng -language researchers. Some, like type inference and generics have=20 +language researchers. Some, like type inference and generics have flourished. -Others, like first-class types and first-class expressions, are not=20 +Others, like first-class types and first-class expressions, are not seemingly being researched by anyone. We want to critically examine what has worked, and what has not. Why are = all the current ``popular''[1] computer algebra systems untyped? Why are the -(strongly typed) proof assistants so much harder to use than a typical=20 +(strongly typed) proof assistants so much harder to use than a typical CAS? But also look at question like what forms of polymorphism exists in mathemati= cs? What forms of dependent types exist in mathematics? How can MMS regain th= e -upper hand on issues of 'genericity'? What are the biggest barriers to=20 +upper hand on issues of 'genericity'? What are the biggest barriers to using a more mainstream language as a host language for a CAS or an ATP? This workshop will accept two kinds of submissions: full research papers = as -well as position papers. Research papers should be nore more than 15=20 +well as position papers. Research papers should be nore more than 15 pages in -length, and positions papers no more than 3 pages. Submission will be=20 +length, and positions papers no more than 3 pages. Submission will be through _EasyChair_. An informal version of the proceedings will be available at = the @@ -25733,23 +22297,12 @@ te. ---- [1] by popular we mean > 1 million users. - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:16:15 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch - boundary="=_5q2nu2tulpts" -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Subject: building wh-sandbox on Windows - -This message is in MIME format. - ---=_5q2nu2tulpts - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Waldek, @@ -26337,19 +22890,13 @@ Index: configure.ac.pamphlet @ ---=_5q2nu2tulpts-- - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <20070426081615.an4ip5wl0rso4wos@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Apr 2007 15:24:14 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Waldek, > @@ -26371,22 +22918,12 @@ And of course, they really want a better expression domain, i.e., provisos. I guess, both is out of reach for the moment? - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:13:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <20070426081615.an4ip5wl0rso4wos@webmail.anikast.ca> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Bill Page: @@ -26417,20 +22954,12 @@ build-mprovements branch. Would you like me to make an initial commit? There will be more (less critical) changes like this to follow. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:16:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Bill Page +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <20070426161326.2o8d34pjonk88484@webmail.anikast.ca> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Bill Page: @@ -26448,13 +22977,10 @@ Quoting Bill Page: Of course I meant to write "without errors" ... - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:17:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows Bill Page wrote: @@ -26506,21 +23032,12 @@ Congratulations. Few quick remarks about the diff: 8) Concerning BASE variable: it does not look nice, but I do not think that other solutions would look better. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:56:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Martin@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Martin Rubey, Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -26660,17 +23177,12 @@ wh-sandbox and build-improvements then it makes sense to experiment with two rather opposite solutions to the same problem. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:51:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -26839,19 +23351,12 @@ Please do. I would probably first add no new variables and then look which new variables are used by the rest of the patch and which exisiting values changed. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:06:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > My test build of wh-sandbox (rev. 515) plus the patches for @@ -26885,20 +23390,10 @@ variable settings are problematic: -axiom_configdir = $(abs_top_builddir)/config +axiom_configdir = $(top_builddir)/config - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:09:49 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Subject: Re: Mike Thomas' portability changes for Windows Quoting Bill Page: @@ -26919,23 +23414,13 @@ Thanks. I had had no reliable connection in Europe (UK+France) for almost 10 days so I could not read your message. I'll come back to this this when I'm done with the 13K+ messages in the queue. --- Gaby - - - - - \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [491]branches/build-improvements - <87mz1j7s6e.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91484@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 06:34:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | > dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net writes: | > As of revision 491, I added a configure option --enable-checking for @@ -26956,17 +23441,11 @@ Thanks. I wish more people will build Axiom with checking on and help fix some of the "obvious" type error bugs. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 07:15:40 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [517] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [517] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -26982,15 +23461,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I reluctantly removed this, at the very insistance of people here. I'm curious of what changed your mind. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:51:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: noweb tarball > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27031,19 +23505,11 @@ in Axiom svn repositiry. Of course, sometimes we want to make an exception but I do not see any reason in case of noweb. But this does not exclude having helper code which make use of prerequisities easier. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 08:55:25 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27061,16 +23527,12 @@ I'm glad to see that is populating down. I wish the propagation to wh-sandbox is properly labelled to facilitate review when it comes to merging. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:00:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > I have also checked that this patch set is independent of the @@ -27111,21 +23573,12 @@ go on and commit. BTW. I will be leaving out town for few days, so I will probably be unable to immediatly look at your final version. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:09:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis - - ---ELM1177682975-4906-0_ +To: list +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > Concerning Windows build, attached you will find modified version @@ -27583,15 +24036,11 @@ diff -ru --exclude=.svn /home/s/test/tt/axiom2/wh-sandbox2/src/scripts/document. --ELM1177682975-4906-0_-- - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:20:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27619,21 +24068,11 @@ This causes some breakage (the NOISE variable does not work as originally intended) which ATM I consider tolerable (and I intend to fix when re-working NOISE). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:27:04 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -27672,24 +24111,12 @@ please let us know. > This causes some breakage (the NOISE variable does not work as originally > intended) which ATM I consider tolerable (and I intend to fix when > re-working NOISE). -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:34:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > One remark: I dislike both ENV and AX_FLAGS (to say the truth I dislike @@ -27725,19 +24152,11 @@ But if we find too many places where our opinions differ than the merge will turn into cherry picking and it is only you who can cherry pick to build-improvements. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 10:46:02 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -27801,20 +24220,13 @@ Well, I do no insist that you merge back to build-improvements if your taste dictates you refrain from doing so. However, I do appreciate to know where the changes are going. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <20070426081615.an4ip5wl0rso4wos@webmail.anikast.ca> - <20070426161326.2o8d34pjonk88484@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:06:25 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, the portability changes are also applicable to the | build-mprovements branch. Would you like me to make an @@ -27823,18 +24235,11 @@ Cc: list Which parts of your patch is the "protability changes"? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:12:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Please join! - <00a501c7851e$4ff72ae0$6900a8c0@asus> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:12:47 -0500 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -27863,18 +24268,13 @@ Alfredo -- Do you have the gcl config.log around? It might be a good idea to have Camm look at it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:25:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | Gaby, the portability changes are also applicable to the > | build-mprovements branch. Would you like me to make an @@ -27890,20 +24290,12 @@ IIUC Bill writes about patch attached to: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-04/msg00329.html - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:57:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > I wrote: @@ -27923,18 +24315,12 @@ is the reason, but the only Lisp related change seems to be to src/lisp/Makefile.pamphlet, my first guess is that initial-env.lisp is causing the problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:19:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > Axiom build with this patch fails numerous tests, for example @@ -27949,20 +24335,11 @@ It is probably false alarm: I just noticed that I made a mistake and build Axiom based on gcl-2.6.6 -- this is likely the reason for test failures. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:24:40 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows -Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:24:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceI5hwuJT8LUPPmSN+iad+M9LsWjgAMSz8g -Cc: list On April 27, 2007 12:06 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -27981,17 +24358,11 @@ that I sent you earlier. My point is just that those changes and the patches I made more recently to wh-sandbox to build on Windows are orthogonal. - - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:32:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -28032,20 +24403,11 @@ Both graph and asq should be independent of other changes. Well, enough for today: I will summarize other changes later. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:33:12 -0500 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Bill Page: @@ -28068,26 +24430,11 @@ Quoting Bill Page: Aha, OK; thanks for the clarification. --- Gaby - -> -> -> - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: noweb tarball Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:17:57 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceIytmriWTh5gHqRe2eAhZ/4prAawAg5o0g -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: noweb tarball On April 27, 2007 8:52 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -28176,21 +24523,12 @@ their platform, e.g. 'apt-get build-dep axiom' on Debian. And of course this also applies to gcl. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:46:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceIdu72fmLAPwcgR6SC4cbqdyVIFQA3cTgg -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On April 26, 2007 10:51 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -28301,26 +24639,11 @@ from which an MSYS build environment? Ok, I will try. - -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [508]branches/wh-sandbox Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:42:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceJG/WLJ2cKQDJQQEmdeWYBywSFQgAQoHUg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox On April 27, 2007 6:32 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -28355,18 +24678,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/17AlgebraBOOTSTRAPFixedPoint What about the changes to HyperDoc? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:09:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -28377,38 +24692,33 @@ On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: I agree. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 28 Apr 2007 09:20:58 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: NE with bootsys (build-improvements) -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: | Hello, -|=20 +| | The file interop.boot is incorrectly translated by bootsys because of | the use of 'NE'. 'NE' is translated to '(not (equal' by depsys but -| bootsys translate it to '(/=3D'. -|=20 +| bootsys translate it to '(/='. +| | You can trigger this bug if you issue in the interpreter: -|=20 +| | x^(1/7) -|=20 +| | Don't know if there are similar bugs in other parts of the interpreter. Hi Gr=E9gory, Bootsys has a finer grained notion of types than depsys. I -forgot about the ^=3D vs. /=3D issue -- there used to be similar issue for +forgot about the ^= vs. /= issue -- there used to be similar issue for when to use "eq" and "equal". - In short: in Bootsys "^=3D" is for comparing numbers, whereas "/=3D" is + In short: in Bootsys "^=" is for comparing numbers, whereas "/=" is general comparison on objects. In practice, Bootsys demands that we have a better understanding of types in Boot programs -- depsys has no such requirements. All this will be much easier to work with @@ -28420,37 +24730,30 @@ if and when we use typing in Boot codes. | There is another thing with build-improvements, with this sequence of | commands: -|=20 +| | -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ | mkdir /home/greg/axiom-build-improvements | lndir /home/greg/TDevel/axiom.build-improvements /home/greg/axiom-build-i= mprovements/ | cd /home/greg/axiom-build-improvements/ -| ./configure --enable-checking --prefix=3D/home/greg/axiom.bi.debug +| ./configure --enable-checking --prefix=/home/greg/axiom.bi.debug | make && make install | -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ -|=20 +| | the file /home/greg/axiom.bi.debug/bin is the axiom script (and not a | directory). I was unable to reproduce this, but I'll start from a fresh check out -again.=20 - -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - +again. \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Bill Page, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Perhaps I am missing something, but shouldn't it be possible for the person doing a checkout to use the svn:eol-style property flag to get @@ -28459,19 +24762,12 @@ means unix style eol for all platforms? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:57:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 26, 2007 10:51 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28614,19 +24910,11 @@ implementations may need something entirely different. So, the full solution to relative name problem will be too large for Makefile -- we should put it in separate portability library. - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:22:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28657,16 +24945,12 @@ They let you set it to whatever you want. check default-pathname-defaults. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:42:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > AFAICS there are no properties on database files -- were they > corrupted? @@ -28675,15 +24959,10 @@ No. I think I removed a lot of properties in particular from the databases (revisions 137 and 136). But that happened in trunk and not in build-improvements. -Ralf - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:46:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -28706,18 +24985,10 @@ I know about it: which if you use merge-patnames nicely defaults name to "temp" and type to "lsp". - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:25:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28760,19 +25031,10 @@ are trying to avoid with relative paths. Yes. As expected. What is the real problem? --- Gaby - -> -> -> - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:10:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -28811,18 +25073,12 @@ accept inconsincy between Lisps or we resolve this problem in general (for arbitrary paths). I feel that we should resolve the problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 28 Apr 2007 23:21:04 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 28 Apr 2007 23:21:04 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -28842,18 +25098,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Don't you think you should forward that to comp.lang.lisp? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:24:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows - <9qps5ogpq7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -28879,18 +25128,12 @@ I just received his mail. He could of course send the message to comp.lang.lisp, but I also believe that he is confusing the medium with the message. -More on that later. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 23:53:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -28928,18 +25171,12 @@ I do not think it make any sense: cl-fad does not work on gcl, but it is IMHO unreasonable to ask a newsgroup to do a port for us. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:06:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Having read this thread many times, it appears to me that the @@ -28968,19 +25205,12 @@ Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows In case you did not notice: I wrote earlier that we want to solve inderlying problem, but in the Makefile we can arrange "$<" to be in current directory, which solves the immediate problem. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - + \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:15:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: building wh-sandbox on Windows -Cc: list On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28993,15 +25223,10 @@ Indeed, if you ask the newsgroup to do a port for you, it would not make much sense. But, again, I understood something different from Martin's suggestion. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:16:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29036,18 +25261,10 @@ On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: And many of us have been using that and building with relative paths. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:32:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceJ2bkd2RxOC2tRRBKYBuXLKCoomAAB8riw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows On April 28, 2007 5:11 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29141,18 +25358,10 @@ standard, I don't think that is such a big deal. Perhaps you can convince me otherwise. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:53:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: building wh-sandbox on Windows On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -29238,15 +25447,10 @@ compilable on Windows without requiring GCL. That, as we have found recently may be of importance for Axiom developers working in windows environment. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:09:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Axiom and ANSI GCL On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -29265,15 +25469,10 @@ found in document.in is wrong in ANSI CL. Why? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:57:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI GCL > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -29316,17 +25515,10 @@ BTW: It is intersting to compare sbcl and GCL on: Apparently even Ansi GCL stil is does not handle this correctly. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:20:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI GCL On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29353,15 +25545,10 @@ On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: OK, got it. Thanks. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:39:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: source for literate lisp noweb Cliff, @@ -29369,16 +25556,12 @@ Cliff, Where can I find the source for the literate lisp noweb? I'm trying to incorporate it into the release. -Tim - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:17:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 26, 2007 10:51 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29406,19 +25589,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: I now commited a change that keeps all lisp files in src/interp directory. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Apr 2007 04:37:19 -0500 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -29434,15 +25609,10 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: This change has been in Axiom.build-improvements for a long time; any reason why it did not propagate to wh-sandbox before? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: source for literate lisp noweb I responded to Tim privately, but I should say something on the list @@ -29522,9 +25692,6 @@ latex files for noweb should be relatively basic (famous last words...) in which case we would be in a position to bootstrap the pamphlet files only from lisp. -Cheers, -CY - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, @@ -29535,20 +25702,12 @@ CY > Tim > - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:14:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: building wh-sandbox on Windows +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 28, 2007 5:11 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29602,18 +25761,11 @@ I do not give high priority to other ports (besides sbcl), but once we have things working in sbcl it should be relatively little extra work to support other Lisps. And now is a logical time to do this. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:13:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb > I responded to Tim privately, but I should say something on the list > too - here's the latest. @@ -29715,19 +25867,11 @@ following code: Incidentally, the other part (which scans for <<...>> markers) allows '>' in the name. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:19:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [518] branches/wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -29749,21 +25893,11 @@ Cc: list Simple: it was part of large set of changes which had multiple conflicts with work on wh-sandbox. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - ---0-202770926-1177880797=:36990 - +Subject: re: source for literate lisp noweb --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29815,15 +25949,6 @@ OK. Was there any conclusion about whether the end-of-file line return and white spaces pose a problem? I wouldn't expect them to in lisp, but perhaps SPAD isn't so forgiving. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com ---0-202770926-1177880797=:36990 - KGlmIChub3QgKGZpbmQtcGFja2FnZSA6YXhpb20uc2V0dXApKQooZGVmcGFj a2FnZSBheGlvbS5zZXR1cAogICAgICg6dXNlIDpjbCA6Y2wtd2ViKQogICAg ICg6ZXhwb3J0ICJwYXRobmFtZS10by1zdHJpbmciICJydW4tZXh0LXByb2dy @@ -29988,15 +26113,12 @@ IGZpbGUpKSkKCgogKSkKCg== --0-202770926-1177880797=:36990-- - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [508]branches/wh-sandbox -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:06:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 27, 2007 6:32 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30082,20 +26204,11 @@ Gaby, now you should say how you imagine merge, in particular if you object to some changes made to wh-sandbox (it looks that you attach special importance to AX_FLAGS)? - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:51:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > AX_FLAGS presents far less technical problems than ENV does; in fact, @@ -30130,19 +26243,11 @@ The second extra problem is that AX_FLAGS is new code, so may trick potential readers to think that its use is right thing to do. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508] branches/wh-sandbox On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30192,30 +26297,20 @@ That is an abuse only if you're mistaken about the purpose. Excuse me, but that is bullshit. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:46:33 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: finite-state-notangle graphic Cliff, Where can I find the finite-state-notangle graphic? -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:53:48 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Subject: clweb, array-to-string Can @@ -30223,20 +26318,11 @@ Can be rewritten as (coerce ar 'string) -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:07:47 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceKvGXQwZQTBU+BQdCRSdCAIHtYJQAG58uA -Cc: list -Subject: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: - [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) > Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -30245,7 +26331,7 @@ Subject: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: > > subdirectories: we use var-def.mk. > > So AX_FLAGS establishes parallel chanel, which has > > significant potential for bugs and confusion. ->=20 +> Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -30261,13 +26347,13 @@ provided the information is static (i.e. determined at configure-time) it could be communicated to sub-processes by either mechanism. ->=20 +> > > The second extra problem is that AX_FLAGS is new code, > > so may trick potential readers to think that its use > > is right thing to do. ->=20 -> Excuse me, but that is bullshit.=20 ->=20 +> +> Excuse me, but that is bullshit. +> I fail to see how either of these last comments add anything substantial to this debate. :-( So let me try to get us past @@ -30278,21 +26364,21 @@ Earlier Waldek wrote: > The problem I see in writing > > make AX_FLAGS ->=20 +> > (as opposed to) ->=20 +> > AX_FLAGS make [ which defines process environment variabes thar are inherited as variables in 'make' ] ->=20 +> > is that we override thing in Makefile. But we are effectively > "broadcasting" AX_FLAGS down which looks like abuse of > mechanizm designed for something else (that is allowing > default in Makfile but sometimes taking alternate values). -Reading=20 +Reading http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Overriding http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Override-Directive @@ -30333,7 +26419,7 @@ But var-def.mk has also been extended to include axiom-specific variables. For example in 'var-def.mk' we find: ## Where to find Axiom data bases. - DAASE =3D $(axiom_src_datadir) + DAASE = $(axiom_src_datadir) In ChangeLog.build-improvements there is some evidence that Gaby has already started to use 'var-def.mk' in the manner @@ -30351,20 +26437,11 @@ Gaby, do you see any conflict between what Waldek is suggesting and your current approach? Or do you see AX_FLAGS as serving some other purpose not properly addressed by 'var-def.mk'? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:56:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Cc: list -Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: - axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -30532,16 +26609,12 @@ I don't think anything in AX_FLAGS needs to be potentially overriden. I hope you see why I think AX_FLAGS should either disappear along with the variables it communicates --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: noweb tarball -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:55:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: noweb tarball +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On April 27, 2007 8:52 AM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30616,18 +26689,11 @@ large set of platforms. Maker of such distribution can use different noweb version with different name: changing name is trivial (while hooking noweb build to Axiom is not so trivial). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:50:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb tarball -Cc: list On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30642,16 +26708,11 @@ On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: If axiom_optional_srcdir has value other than $(abs_top_srcdir)/zips, then I think you must be considering a different variable. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: clweb, array-to-string -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:27:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: clweb, array-to-string > Can > (array-to-string ar) @@ -30663,18 +26724,11 @@ If you ask about code I wrote the answer is no: I used arrays of bytes (to avoid unicode overheads) and such array can not be coerced to string. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: noweb tarball -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:42:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: noweb tarball Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30701,19 +26755,11 @@ propagating value from configure via config/var-def.mk. I had intended to just use $(abs_top_srcdir)/zips (without change), but appearently Bill wants more flexibility. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:18:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: - axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) Gabriel Dos Reis wrote > As of today, we have two variables are passed in AX_FLAGS: SYS amd NOISE. @@ -30755,18 +26801,11 @@ I am confused by this long message. Does the above mean that you agree with removal of AX_FLAGS? Or do you consider change in NOISE functionality a blocker? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:21:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: noweb tarball -Cc: list On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30799,21 +26838,14 @@ then you can propogate that value from within configure. I suspect that matches what Bill wants. - I should observe that unless noweb's Makefile is supposed to stay the same over releases, you may be heading into a quagmire --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:26:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: - axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) +Subject: Re: AX_FLAGS (was: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [508]branches/wh-sandbox) On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -30834,15 +26866,10 @@ no better than using AX_FLAGS which encapsulates them. SYS is snicky but not hard. NOISE needs more restructing, but is lower priority for me. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:52:35 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yap" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: process and bibtex Please copy the list. @@ -30861,15 +26888,10 @@ We can use Beebe's bibtex file. Tell me what bibtex commands you'd like to have happen with clweb, what files are involved, and I'll put it into the build. -t - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: process and bibtex @@ -30952,13 +26974,5 @@ This topic died back a while ago as very little truly literate work has been going on, but now that it's come up again can anyone recommend tools for dealing efficiently with very large bibliographies? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - diff --git a/book/2007-05.txt b/book/2007-05.txt index 01d3621..de73d92 100644 --- a/book/2007-05.txt +++ b/book/2007-05.txt @@ -1,8 +1,7 @@ \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:32:45 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yap" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: gclweb.lisp Cliff, @@ -200,19 +199,13 @@ t (char= #\@ (schar line 0))) (values 'end nil)) (t (values nil nil))))) - - - - \start Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, @@ -297,21 +290,13 @@ CY P.S. I sent cl-web-v0.5 to the list, but it hit the filesize limit - anybody know who the list admin is? -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 02 May 2007 08:21:18 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: differences wh-sandbox andbuild-improvements -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -331,16 +316,12 @@ Autoconf-2.60 in /usr/local/ I can now build Axiom on windows, again. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:32:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp -Cc: Eitan Gurari, list +Cc: Eitan Gurari I know that you want to do everything in LISP, but there are LaTeX-only solutions already around. @@ -389,7 +370,6 @@ features): http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/people/hemmecke/AldorCombinat/combinatsu29.html#noweb.NW4LNGwX-49LjXS-1 - Ralf @@ -589,25 +569,12 @@ On 05/02/2007 05:32 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > (char= #\@ (schar line 0))) > (values 'end nil)) > (t (values nil nil))))) -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start +Date: 02 May 2007 17:19:20 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp - <4638A112.7050107@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 02 May 2007 17:19:20 +0200 -Cc: list - How would @@ -619,15 +586,11 @@ deal with characters like "%" in chunkname? Martin - - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke, Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -748,23 +711,11 @@ problems are simple to solve. I suppose we should go ahead and handle the noweb syntax -> LaTeX conversion, and then look at the features ALLPROSE needs. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:47:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp - <9qbqh3qmmf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Probably in a similar way as \begin{verbatim} ... \end{verbatim} or \verb do it. Otherwise I would say one can restrict chunk names to @@ -786,17 +737,12 @@ On 05/02/2007 05:19 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: >> \end{chunk} > > deal with characters like "%" in chunkname? -> -> Martin - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:38:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp -Cc: list >> I know that you want to do everything in LISP, but there are >> LaTeX-only solutions already around. @@ -840,18 +786,11 @@ Is there someone who is interested and can look into evaluating TeXmacs for Axiom? Maybe we should ask someone on the TeXmacs list to give us some motivation to follow this direction. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp > > Actually removing the dependency on LaTeX is not theoretically > > impossible and is a direction I find interesting. @@ -891,25 +830,11 @@ integration. Regrettably I don't have the time it would take to dig into that right now, but I agree it is a useful direction to pursue. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start +Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:12:41 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp -From: Jay Belanger - <4638BE86.8030503@hemmecke.de> -Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:12:41 -0500 - 02 May 2007 18\:38\:30 +0200") -Cc: - Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -934,15 +859,10 @@ don't know if anything came of it. But is tying down Axiom development to one editor a good idea? (If it is a good idea, TeXmacs seems like a reasonable choice.) -Jay - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:14:45 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -952,8 +872,6 @@ The string contained within the chunkname field of is unparsed in the current code and can contain anything at all. It is purely used as a key to the hash table. - - David Mentre did some other work (see src/doc/booklet) which gives meaning to the chunkname if the chunkname follows URL syntax as in: @@ -962,17 +880,10 @@ follows URL syntax as in: etc. This will probably become more interesting once firefox replaces hyperdoc. -t - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:26:39 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -989,17 +900,10 @@ rather than chunks. Such tagging allows a program to extract and process this information based on semantics rather than syntax. -t - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:34:35 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -1022,17 +926,10 @@ Using latex syntax also means that I can integrate the chunking into the Axiom )set output latex machinery. Thus Axiom could be made to read and write pamphlets. -t - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:37:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp Of course. See also the aldordoc part of ALLPROSE. @@ -1055,11 +952,6 @@ On 05/02/2007 07:26 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > rather than chunks. Such tagging allows a program to extract > and process this information based on semantics rather than > syntax. -> -> t -> - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:10:54 -0700 (PDT) @@ -1067,8 +959,6 @@ From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: cl-web 0.5 ---0-1894466935-1178140254=:41406 - Looks like the other one got stuck on the file size limit, so I'll just post the essential files and link to the bib file: @@ -1679,13 +1569,10 @@ uAEA --0-1894466935-1178140254=:41406-- - - \start Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:57:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp On 05/02/2007 07:14 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -1718,15 +1605,10 @@ to print nicely. (I could have escaped %, of course.) Anyway, retaining TeX meaning of the characters is probably the better way to go. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:50:09 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +From: Tim Daly Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -1763,17 +1645,10 @@ which means that it is an invitation to a flame war. Suffice it to say that the only gclweb program use is as a hash key which places no restriction on the contents. -t - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:36:47 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: gclweb.lisp Ralf, @@ -1799,17 +1674,10 @@ their intended function so we don't get hung up in the details. CWK's clweb is the better place to experiment since it is more forward-looking and the long term strategy. -t - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp --- Tim Daly wrote: @@ -1905,20 +1773,10 @@ Agreed - such a document would be very useful. Yes. Style ultimately should be configurable anyway - the thing to check there is that LaTeX packages used are compatible with each other. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 May 2007 12:41:46 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: PFE, Complex and INT Dear all, @@ -1998,19 +1856,11 @@ factor(y)$GaussianFactorizationPackage normPolynomial pp == map(retract(#1@%)::R,pp * map(conjugate,pp)) - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 May 2007 07:18:11 -0500 -Subject: [Juho Snellman] Re: [Sbcl-devel] - Version Control Systems - ---=-=-= - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [Juho Snellman] Re: [Sbcl-devel] Version Control Systems FYI. This is not a Call For Debate. @@ -2018,25 +1868,7 @@ This is not a Call For Debate. --=-=-= -Return-Path: -Delivered-To: gdr@localhost.cs.tamu.edu -To: sbcl-devel List - - <20070420185456.GC10295@lavos.net> - From: Juho Snellman -Date: 03 May 2007 08:11:38 +0300 - See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to - http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 -Subject: Re: [Sbcl-devel] Version Control Systems - - -Errors-To: sbcl-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net -x-ctasd: uncategorized -x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized -x-ctasd-station: - FILETIME=[CA8987F0:01C78D41] -Xref: soliton.cs.tamu.edu mail.misc:116286 James Y Knight writes: > I'd like to propose switching to sf.net SVN hosting. Now, for all you @@ -2063,29 +1895,10 @@ example, it'd be nice if people without commit access could send properly formatted patches that add new files (hard to do with cvs, since "cvs add" requires commit rights). --- -Juho Snellman - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express -Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take -control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. -http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ -_______________________________________________ -Sbcl-devel mailing list -Sbcl-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sbcl-devel - ---=-=-=-- - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:54:20 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: gclweb.lisp Gaby, @@ -2095,17 +1908,10 @@ I need to see if the change/commit cycle works. Since I've moved to git this would be very convenient if it works. I'll let you know the result of my trials. -t - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:18:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gclweb.lisp On Thu, 3 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2122,15 +1928,10 @@ Indeed. Great! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:04:05 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: git-svn Well checkout works and I can make changes. @@ -2143,19 +1944,10 @@ authorization failed (https://axiom.svn.sourceforget.net) at I'm open to suggestion about why I cannot commit to SVN. -t - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:56:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceNzdms1KQkqomgQQyhPnA0yFcgmQ== -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: MathMLFormat and serv.c Axiom Developers; @@ -2218,18 +2010,10 @@ applications that interface with Axiom. Is there anyone else on this list who is interested in applications of MathML in Axiom? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:20:13 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: next release Bill, @@ -2240,12 +2024,6 @@ collecting the non-algebra changes from myself, Gaby, and Waldek. I plan to release this version and then start on the algebra changes which require much more verification work. -t - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -2285,20 +2063,10 @@ time if the features provided by noweb.sty are essential. What is the general opinion on this, particularly from more experienced literate programmers out there? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:05:52 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list Subject: latex and noweb @@ -2313,18 +2081,10 @@ see remnants of code in the preline and postline unused variables, etc). Automatic indexing might be nice but I can generate my own index info. Except for David's booklet URL syntax there is nothing I need. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: latex and noweb @@ -2357,20 +2117,10 @@ I think the same basic techniques that worked on tangle would work here (probably with some minor variations) so if we want to move this to lisp we can. -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:24:01 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: latex and noweb Cliff, @@ -2380,21 +2130,12 @@ be within the clweb machinery, not in C. If Axiom serves pages to a firefox front end it would be easy to turn the embedded URLs into web pages. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: latex and noweb - Is there any reason not to do this in LaTeX using the hyperref package? If we include a link to a pamphlet file as a hyperref link, and Firefox submits that link to the Axiom server as a filename, wouldn't @@ -2408,9 +2149,6 @@ and dvi files. Sorry if that's a silly suggestion - I may not be understanding the usage scenario correctly. -CY - ---- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, > @@ -2418,20 +2156,6 @@ CY > be within the clweb machinery, not in C. If Axiom serves pages > to a firefox front end it would be easy to turn the embedded > URLs into web pages. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - \start Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:51:40 -0700 (PDT) @@ -2467,31 +2191,18 @@ appreciated - is this something people think would be good to have? If so, I believe it can be autogenerated from cl-web requiring only packages already present in teTeX. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 01:28:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOB+t7O7oAiu/BSk2QyrqoYI9sBQAAyZtQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style On May 4, 2007 12:52 AM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > I have created a sample file of a format for pamphlets that can > be generated without needing the noweb style file (obviously -> without many of the major features.) =20 ->=20 +> without many of the major features.) +> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.5-hyperref= tes t.pdf/download @@ -2499,12 +2210,12 @@ t.pdf/download Cliff, I do really like the "look and feel" of this example! It looks pretty and it seems to work. ->=20 +> > This file makes use of the hyperref and listings packages in > LaTeX (I believe both are included standard with teTeX). It > has hyperlinks from chunk references to chunks. To generate > it, the commands were: ->=20 +> > latex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.tex > bibtex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest > latex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.tex @@ -2512,7 +2223,7 @@ It looks pretty and it seems to work. > latex cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.tex > dvips cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.dvi -o cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.ps > ps2pdf cl-web-v0.5-hyperreftest.ps ->=20 +> > (thanks again to Bill for figuring out these steps and the > hyperref options for endpamphlet). @@ -2524,9 +2235,9 @@ What does the actual pamphlet source file look like? Specifically, how are chunks delimited? Can you give us a link to the source .pamphlet file? ->=20 +> > If it is of interest the "Included in ..." tail can be added -> to identify chunks containing the current chunk, although I=20 +> to identify chunks containing the current chunk, although I > didn't do that here because I'm generating this one by hand > as a test case. @@ -2538,24 +2249,16 @@ result? Or are you just talking about the "Included in ..."? > Feedback appreciated - is this something people think would > be good to have? If so, I believe it can be autogenerated > from cl-web requiring only packages already present in teTeX. ->=20 +> How much work remains to be done to do this autogeneration? -(autogeneration =3D=3D noweave?) - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - +(autogeneration == noweave?) \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:11:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -2739,17 +2442,11 @@ information about symbols is available.) I don't think that anything from noweb.sty is essential. You simply have to put the logic into cl-web, then you don't need a style file at all. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:57:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev , Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: On 05/04/2007 07:28 AM, Bill Page wrote: > On May 4, 2007 12:52 AM C Y wrote: @@ -2789,16 +2486,11 @@ for the .ps file. Look also at the generated .dvi file, adjust your dvi viewer and click on it. I have incorporated the inverse search facility. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 04:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -2895,24 +2587,11 @@ weave function to make the correct calls. There may be a couple other gotchas to deal with once I actually start but that's the core of what needs to be done. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -To: Ralf Hemmecke, - Bill Page, - axiom-dev -Cc: --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -2949,22 +2628,11 @@ features is a bigger bite than I have time to chew right now. Or we could go with this if noweb is present on the system but fall back on the plain Lisp version otherwise. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:18:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: axiom-dev > http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/document.pdf/download >> (unfortunately the graph has to be adjusted---I am too lazy) @@ -2999,16 +2667,11 @@ reprogram their ideas only because we then use \begin{chunk} .. \end{chunk} -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 05:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -3284,22 +2947,11 @@ needed machinery fails fall back onto the simpler Lisp+vanilla LaTeX solution. Over time, we could migrate features into the Lisp solution until we can reproduce everything we need. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 05:37:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -3346,24 +2998,11 @@ either in Lisp or in LaTeX style file processing) and to anybody else who wants it to it will still look like a regular noweb file (plus, less typing for delimiters...) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go -with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 05:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -To: Cliff Yapp -Cc: list Sorry to reply to myself, but I want to record this idea before I head for work: @@ -3377,17 +3016,6 @@ to try tonight. I'll take a stab at a lisp weave function tonight as well. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 06:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -3399,22 +3027,10 @@ http://jsnell.iki.fi/blog/archive/2007-05-03-code-coverage-tool-for-sbcl.html Perhaps this could be useful someday developing a test framework for Axiom. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:47:55 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: latex and noweb Cliff, Ralf, @@ -3447,8 +3063,6 @@ to outside sources. We could use these functions interactively either behind the scenes in a web-serving axiom or directly in user )help requests - - Pamphlets() == parse(pamphlet) -> graph @@ -3525,45 +3139,35 @@ Pamphlets() == run a command and compare it against the result -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:22:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOOzLP/MovR9laRMe0AWCtA+WbcAAHpUMA -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style On May 4, 2007 6:58 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > On 05/04/2007 07:28 AM, Bill Page wrote: > > On May 4, 2007 12:52 AM C Y wrote: > >> I have created a sample file of a format for pamphlets > >> that can be generated without needing the noweb style -> >> file (obviously without many of the major features.) =20 +> >> file (obviously without many of the major features.) > >> > > -=20 + http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.5-hyperref= tes t.pdf/download -> >=20 +> > > > Cliff, I do really like the "look and feel" of this example! > > It looks pretty and it seems to work. ->=20 +> > I appreciate very much the literate work. That is a very good > example how literate documents should look like. ->=20 +> > For your convenience I have embellished it a bit. ->=20 +> > = http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/document.pdf/download > @@ -3574,7 +3178,7 @@ the width of the window. Also the default red boxes around the links look horrible. There is a hyperref option to control that. See the following line from Cliff's source: -\usepackage[dvips,final,colorlinks=3Dtrue,linkcolor=3Dblue,pdfstartview=3D= +\usepackage[dvips,final,colorlinks=true,linkcolor=blue,pdfstartview== FitH]{hy perref} @@ -3594,9 +3198,9 @@ simply because some people are motivated to replace noweb with something written in Lisp. > (unfortunately the graph has to be adjusted---I am too lazy) ->=20 +> > The sources are here. ->=20 +> > = http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/cl-web.tar.gz/download= @@ -3623,7 +3227,7 @@ document generated from LaTeX literate program sources? On May 4, 2007 8:19 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... ->> C Y wrote:=20 +>> C Y wrote: >> Very nice! This functionality Ralf might need to be >> incorporated as a second stage - it needs a lot more of >> noweb's full strength. I'm shooting for a first cut at a @@ -3670,20 +3274,11 @@ are motived to spend your time is up to you, but I thought I would just re-state (once again) more clearly my personal opinion on this. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:41:31 -0400 From: Humberto Zuazaga -To: Bill Page, - list +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: Bill Page wrote: >> Look also at the generated .dvi file, adjust your dvi viewer @@ -3702,22 +3297,11 @@ be able to preserve hyperrefs if invoked with the -z flag. See http://arxiv.org/hypertex/ --- -Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga -Programmer-Archaeologist -UPR Bioinformatics Resource Center -http://www.hpcf.upr.edu/~humberto/ - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:41:34 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: latex and noweb -Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:41:34 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOWz2ZFQb9AXVoRW67WkhY14BPGwABRk0A -Cc: list On May 4, 2007 10:48 AM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -3801,19 +3385,10 @@ concept that underlies the Axiom library. I like that. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:24:03 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: latex and noweb Bill, Cliff, Ralf, @@ -3824,17 +3399,11 @@ could be implemented in a compatible way in lisp/spad/aldor/perl/whatever. That would mean that the access and algorithms would be independent of the machinery. Which means we can think and debate at a much higher level. -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style -To: Bill Page, - Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: 'axiom-dev' --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -3948,26 +3517,11 @@ sb-profile, hunchentoot, McCLIM, etc. are tools I would like to have available for working with Axiom. I can understand how this looks silly to other people, but it is my preference. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate -in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:56:27 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOc4Ni96VEVYWxT6iV/db0LdfiZQAChbiw -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Test of a WEB style On May 4, 2007 1:42 PM C Y wrote: > ... @@ -3983,21 +3537,13 @@ I am convinced that viewing Axiom as a "Lisp program" has been very greatly to it's disadvantage given the priorities of the current generation of programmers. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 May 2007 14:06:52 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 4, 2007 1:42 PM C Y wrote: | > ... @@ -4019,21 +3565,15 @@ I would encourage Axiomatizers to view Lisp as just one of the many possible assembly languages which Axiom can be translated to. Nothing more. Axiom will be better served that way. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | I am convinced that viewing Axiom as a "Lisp program" has > | been very greatly to it's disadvantage given the priorities > | of the current generation of programmers. @@ -4074,27 +3614,12 @@ with the existing pamphlets. Alternately, there may be a package for LaTeX that provides an include command which will do that automatically - I'll look around tonight. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. -Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 May 2007 17:34:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Nud and Led properties - -Hi, - The old parser (and unparser) encodes operator precedence as Nud and Led properties. Those properties are set only for symbols. @@ -4112,8 +3637,6 @@ and Led queries -- they might bogusly get rewritten by depsys, but eventually that will go away when we convert to bootsys. --- Gaby - 2007-05-04 Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis * c-doc.boot.pamphlet (checkRecordHash): Use GET instead of GETL. @@ -4367,13 +3890,10 @@ eventually that will go away when we convert to bootsys. isTrue x == x="true" or x is '(QUOTE T) - - - \start Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:57:54 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: 'axiom-dev' +To: list Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style C Y wrote: @@ -4385,15 +3905,10 @@ Not sure if it will fit the bill, but this is what I was thinking of: ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/combine/combine.pdf - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 22:00:22 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceOcQDY+W+R7TAGT3mTEqKvr5QY0QAQZHtA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: latex and noweb On May 4, 2007 1:24 PM Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4476,23 +3991,14 @@ aldor code. On a small test (38 decimal digits, 5 factors) the aldor code returns the solution in roughly 1/2 of the time taken by Axiom." - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 23:20:21 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: second life Is anyone here on second life? -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -4531,18 +4037,6 @@ chunk, but that's a likely killer for speed. Fortunately I was able to work around it here, but the more general solution isn't there yet. Anyone know of a good way to address this problem? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -4565,56 +4059,41 @@ examined anyway, and stored as part of the chunk structure information. are initially defined and when they are called, and I'm curious as to what the best techniques are. -Thanks, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 17:48:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQE+yAKo+FrArMQHmjIqwpBgYc/AAE/B+w -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 On May 6, 2007 3:23 PM C Y wrote: ->=20 +> > For those who are interested, I've uploaded cl-web v0.6 here: ->=20 +> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.6.tar.gz/d= own load ->=20 +> > And the example pdf here: ->=20 +> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.6.lisp.pdf= /do wnload It still look good to me. :-) ->=20 +> > I've added come style fixes from Kai, and have switched over to > using trivial-utf-8 for the array-to-string and string-to-array > operations. Testing indicates no appreciable speed loss. ->=20 +> > More interestingly, this version has a rudimentary weave ability -> as well. It's not well documented yet but it works well enough=20 +> as well. It's not well documented yet but it works well enough > to be able to weave itself, and the pdf above is not a hand made > example but the actual result of weaving cl-web-v0.6.lisp.pamphlet. Excellent! ->=20 +> > The kicker, that I haven't fully solved yet, is the escape > character needed by the listings package to insert tex into code. > This is needed for the chunk reference links, but the character @@ -4630,23 +4109,12 @@ f The documentation describes a large number of options for defining suitable escape characters. -=20 -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 To: Bill Page -Cc: list - +Subject: RE: cl-web v0.6 --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -4675,26 +4143,12 @@ tell) allow multiple characters. It does, but apparently my TeX foo isn't strong enough to spot where they allow strings instead of single characters. I'll keep digging... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: listings oddness - --- Bill Page wrote: Well, this is weird: @@ -4709,20 +4163,10 @@ does. Oh, well. As long as something works... -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:28:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Compiler speed Using sbcl profiler on Maitin's guessing package I identified @@ -4756,17 +4200,10 @@ Also, compiler uses symbol table is such a way that it is not clear if different form of symbol table would be more efficient. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:42:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Weird errors FYI I am now seeing really weird errors: on gentoo machine wh-sandbox @@ -4781,18 +4218,11 @@ BTW: I use here ANSI gcl build from sources included in build-improvements. Gentoo provides gcl-2.6.7 but this one fails quite early trying to link the first Lisp image. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 06 May 2007 21:13:12 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Weird errors -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 May 2007 21:13:12 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4812,16 +4242,11 @@ Try build with --enable-checking -- yes, I know it takes hours. You'll see many runtime type errors. The checking is too fined-grained, but it get you somewhere. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 06 May 2007 21:14:15 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 06 May 2007 21:14:15 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4862,17 +4287,10 @@ I'm rewriting part of the compiler in Spad -- it will take some time before it gets fully functional, but I do hope to make progress by the summer. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:27:40 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQOHil/42ftxatT/eBrTCecj7WqAAHJvoQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: listings oddness Cliff, @@ -4914,21 +4332,12 @@ Ref. the example before "How to gobble characters" on page Right. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: listings oddness - --- Bill Page wrote: > I am not sure what you are saying didn't work since in @@ -4974,23 +4383,10 @@ for marker) so that's probably good enough. Now to do Tim's cleanups... -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 00:25:49 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQXD7lR8nNeV1wRvmyQpoSyrhUkQAAN9dA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: listings oddness Cliff, @@ -5016,18 +4412,10 @@ Of course this is just "in theory", I haven't tried it yet... :-) > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: RE: listings oddness @@ -5070,22 +4458,11 @@ working so I'll leave it be and go for more pressing things. I'm certainly open to better proposals. (Note to self, get linenumber info working for tangle output...) -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 08:34:14 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 08:34:14 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5109,17 +4486,11 @@ noticed that libdb.text is rebuild dynamically, and that's a great feature. BTW: did anybody try my code from SandBoxHyperDocReplacement ? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:44:38 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list >> -n does not produce a latex wrapper (ALLPROSE provides a >> wrapper.) @@ -5314,19 +4685,11 @@ similar. If LaTeX sees that and has an appropriate .sty file (like noweb.sty) then pretty much can be done by TeX itself. Appropriate tags are important. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:00:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: axiom-dev - - On 05/04/2007 02:37 PM, C Y wrote: > --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5360,18 +4723,11 @@ http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/ It seems quite powerful and can produce .pdf. I haven't, however, experimented with that very much. -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 12:14:35 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style - <463EF8BD.6050909@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 12:14:35 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -5393,17 +4749,10 @@ this will be a little painful.) On the other hand, I do believe that we should give the documentation authors as much freedom as possible, thus it's probably worth going through a bit of pain. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:49:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Re: latex and noweb On 05/05/2007 04:00 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -5462,16 +4811,11 @@ a bit more common for us. We surely want to restrict a bit. For example, removing all stuff outside \begin{document}...\end{document} to make pamphlets combinable. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:09:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: 'axiom-dev' >> http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/hemmecke/document.pdf/download @@ -5505,17 +4849,11 @@ I've never heard about that being possible. Would be nice, but if you then use acroread, that is a pain, since acroread does not automatically reload a file that changed on disk. (Only my experience?) -Ralf - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Compiler speed -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:54:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Compiler speed Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5556,19 +4894,12 @@ during build (as I wrote this is useless because we generate up to date libdb.text later), but the installed compiler should work as before. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:58:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > I like Ralf's output - my suggestion would be to integrate that > technique for pamphlet building into the Axiom build machinery. Ralf, @@ -5582,17 +4913,11 @@ Although that stuff is pretty much independent of the current building machinery, I don't quite know from which branch I should branch build-improvements or wh-sandbox? Suggestions? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5772,24 +5097,11 @@ want the documentation chunks identified? I always viewed pamphlet files as a latex document with chunks embedded in it - what is the advantage of chunking up the documentation as well? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 14:14:28 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 14:14:28 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5817,20 +5129,12 @@ compile some mini domain or package, quit axiom, delete libdb.text, start axiom, )lib MINIDOMAIN, and check whether HyperDoc finds MINIDOMAIN, or, hopefully equivalently, libdb.text contains the necessary information. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 07:49:58 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style - <463EF8BD.6050909@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qmz0hey9g.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 May 2007 07:49:58 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Martin Rubey writes: @@ -5844,17 +5148,11 @@ Martin Rubey writes: If possible, please go with Xypic. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 07:51:01 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style - <463F1480.5020904@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 07 May 2007 07:51:01 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -5873,18 +5171,12 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Unless you want the new algebra boostrap right now, I would suggest you branch from build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Test of a WEB style -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -5902,22 +5194,10 @@ better without hyperlinks. In theory, it doesn't have to be an either/or situation - both could be "rendering" targets for the plotting routines. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:07:22 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Desired functionality from noweb Cliff, @@ -5945,15 +5225,10 @@ at generalizing it to parse the latex to a graph. Once that happens it would be straightforward to remove the headers. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:26:33 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Desired functionality from noweb Cliff, @@ -5982,8 +5257,6 @@ automatically reread the .dvi file if it gets the focus. Thus, I compile/test/document about once every 10 lines or so. Breakage in either the program or the latex is immediate. - - re: build times, axiom system builds I am constantly rebuilding axiom. I have rebuilt axiom about @@ -5999,15 +5272,10 @@ will stop the build and request that you fetch a new copy of the diagrams.sty file. This broke and was fixed back in the first week of this year. I'm surprised that no-one complained. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:59:58 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Desired functionality from noweb Cliff, @@ -6041,15 +5309,10 @@ Thus, given the latex-to-lisp tranformation and a definition of a SECTION function means that the graph can have both structural and execution semantics. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb @@ -6106,20 +5369,10 @@ understand what it really implies. Sorry for being dense, but can you illustrate what the possible consequences of that would be? -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:01:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Bootstrap documentation. I want to include some documentation of current algebra bootstrap @@ -6203,18 +5456,12 @@ mutually dependent constructors without cyclic dependencies the solution is easy: compile all dependent constructors in a single Axiom image, using apropriate order. The [[guess-pkg]] target ilustrates this method.OA --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start +Date: 07 May 2007 21:49:18 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 May 2007 21:49:18 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -6320,18 +5567,11 @@ the solution is easy: compile all dependent constructors in a single Axiom image, using apropriate order. The [[guess-pkg]] target ilustrates this method. - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:52:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceQ4NEvHdXpZqGRRIe6b9R05/SHYAAKfseA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Martin, @@ -6352,21 +5592,13 @@ go away this extend? Excellent documentation, Waldek. Thanks! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Date: 07 May 2007 19:56:38 -0500 -Cc: list -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | Martin, | @@ -6384,18 +5616,11 @@ to be of necessity at the lowest level. So, you could start with just the simple data structure Integer with few operations and extend it as you go. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:05:39 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. -Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:05:39 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceRC8BIdcL64CpORAyhWsIc/j0HmAACIueg -Cc: list On May 7, 2007 8:57 PM Gaby wrote: > Bill Page writes: @@ -6425,21 +5650,14 @@ In particular, I do not see how the bootstrap mechanism described by Waldek (or the original approach implemented by Tim Daly) would be obivated by extend. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 May 2007 08:15:14 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > Many of the categories and friends dragged in by Integer do > > not seem to be of necessity at the lowest level. So, you @@ -6470,20 +5688,13 @@ Plus( <> } - -Martin - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 May 2007 02:25:49 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 7, 2007 8:57 PM Gaby wrote: | > Bill Page writes: @@ -6518,20 +5729,14 @@ I don't know what a mutual recursion between extensions mean, but definitely mutual recursion between domains is needed for natural expressions of domains. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:54:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 05/08/2007 09:25 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | > Many of the categories and friends dragged in by Integer do > | > not seem to be of necessity at the lowest level. So, you @@ -6580,16 +5785,11 @@ I also don't understand how mutual recursion and extend should work together. Surely, it should be possible to extend any domain, no matter how it is defined. Bill, can you give an example of what you mean? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:45:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list > I'm trying to reconcile that idea with an "Axiom Journal" style of > writing where people may do shorter papers on a single topic. @@ -6742,17 +5942,11 @@ UVW So noweave even adds chunk numbers which one can ignore in the .sty file. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 04:00:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46402CC2.6020301@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -6809,18 +6003,11 @@ In Haskell (or Boot), I could write: What would be a "natural" and concise expression of that in Spad? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:08:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46402CC2.6020301@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list > I want distinct domains for literals, fields, types, expressions, etc. @@ -6830,20 +6017,11 @@ http://www-sop.inria.fr/cafe/Manuel.Bronstein/algebra/ do? I guess you'd need domains for mutual recursion in the grammar, right? -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 04:14:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87tzunsrnm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46402CC2.6020301@hemmecke.de> - - <46403E27.4060203@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -6859,16 +6037,11 @@ I insist on distinct domains for distinct notions present in the C language. yes. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Weird errors -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:50:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Weird errors Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -6905,18 +6078,11 @@ BTW: in revison 513 I have fixed all errors that showed during build with safety 3 (except for above mentioned running out of memory). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:23:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Weird errors -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -6927,17 +6093,11 @@ That is weird indeed. I'm out of idea for now. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 04:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7129,25 +6289,12 @@ already in teTeX but I guess that's unrealistic. I guess I need to think about this one some more, and dig into inverse search. -Cheers, -CY - - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:31:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceROEJOZxJIkSYvSK2MrsUzAkToggAOs0Rw -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 8, 2007 2:15 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -7207,21 +6354,13 @@ normally call "dependent types" since L would appear to be a free parameter of some kind. Isn't there a way to write this that does not use such an exotic definition? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 May 2007 08:49:12 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On May 8, 2007 2:15 AM Martin Rubey wrote: | > @@ -7278,16 +6417,11 @@ I'm not sure I would qualify those of "trivial". Huh? What is "normally calle 'dependent types'"? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:51:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list > I still think the most promising direction for the "read the source > code and find definitions and where they are used" is to use the @@ -7430,20 +6564,14 @@ So you don't want to require something like axiom.sty? But then you put all the style information into your weave program. That doesn't sound like the right way to do. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:47:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87odkvs9wn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, although > | > my top priority still is to make types first class objects @@ -7518,13 +6646,11 @@ Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:18:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. - <87odkvs9wn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46408D9C.6050504@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | | > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, although | > | > my top priority still is to make types first class objects @@ -7600,47 +6726,39 @@ something about programming with Spad) and basis for improvement. I'm looking for ways to express simple and elegantly simple notions. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke, - "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:25:11 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AceRf+OtYjlvbQ3fT6WwvKCH2ni0XwAAsS8A -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. On May 8, 2007 10:48 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: ->=20 +> > On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: ->=20 +> > Bill Page writes: +> > > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, > > | > although my top priority still is to make types first > > | > class objects and to allow domain constructors like -> > | >=20 -> > | > SPECIES =3D=3D> (L: LabelType) -> CombinatorialSpecies L; -> > | >=20 +> > | > +> > | > SPECIES ==> (L: LabelType) -> CombinatorialSpecies L; +> > | > > > | > Plus( > > | > F: SPECIES, > > | > G: SPECIES -> > | > )(L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) =3D=3D add { -> > | > Rep =3D=3D Union(left: F L, right: G L); +> > | > )(L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) == add { +> > | > Rep == Union(left: F L, right: G L); > > | > import from Rep; > > | > <> > > | > } -> > | >=20 -> > |=20 +> > | > +> > | > > | I don't understand this construction. What is the signature > > | of the function 'Plus'? I think this goes beyond what would > > | normally call "dependent types" -> >=20 +> > > > Huh? What is "normally called 'dependent types'"? ->=20 +> Perhaps I should have said: "goes beyond what **I** would normally call a dependent type". How other people classify this, I cannot @@ -7649,70 +6767,60 @@ prefer to punt (en Fran=E7ais "ponter") on that question for now. > Bill, yes, the L looks like being a parameter. Let me try > another definition. ->=20 +> > Plus1( > F: SPECIES, > G: SPECIES -> ): SPECIES =3D=3D (L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) +-> add { -> Rep =3D=3D Union(left: F L, right: G L); +> ): SPECIES == (L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) +-> add { +> Rep == Union(left: F L, right: G L); > import from Rep; > <> > } ->=20 +> > So > Plus: (SPECIES, SPECIES) -> SPECIES > as an addition of species. ->=20 +> > Does that look simpler? Yes, excellent. That is much better. Now L only appears explicity in the body of the function. Is it equivalent to what Martin wrote? > Of course you can go on and define something like ->=20 -> Plus2: (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES) -> ... =3D=3D -> (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES): ... +-> ((L: LabelType):=20 +> +> Plus2: (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES) -> ... == +> (F: SPECIES, G: SPECIES): ... +-> ((L: LabelType): > ... +-> ...) ->=20 +> > But that is probably not what you meant. ->=20 +> > Yes, CombinatorialSpecies is itself a function. http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/people/hemmecke/AldorCombinat/combinatsu16= .ht ml#dt:CombinatorialSpecies ->=20 +> > CombinatorialSpecies: (L: LabelType) -> Category ->=20 +> > The following does (of course) not work. ->=20 +> > Plus3( > F: SPECIES, > G: SPECIES -> ): CombinatorialSpecies =3D=3D +> ): CombinatorialSpecies == > (L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies(L) +-> add { -> Rep =3D=3D Union(left: F L, right: G L); +> Rep == Union(left: F L, right: G L); > import from Rep; > <> > } ->=20 +> > And I somehow need the L, because it is used inside the "add". ->=20 - -Ok. Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - +> \start Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 17:30:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: Bootstrap documentation. -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> So >> Plus: (SPECIES, SPECIES) -> SPECIES @@ -7725,23 +6833,18 @@ Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Yes that compiles and "make check" does not report an error. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Bootstrap documentation. -Cc: list On Tue, 8 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: | On May 8, 2007 10:48 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: | > | > On 05/08/2007 03:49 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -| > > "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| > > Bill Page writes: | > | > > | > In any case, "extend" would make life a lot easier, | > > | > although my top priority still is to make types first @@ -7776,17 +6879,11 @@ I think this is a standard reference Look from page 82 onwards. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7935,22 +7032,11 @@ thereof.) Right now I don't see it being a problem. I had sort of assumed we would settle on a particular style as the "official" Axiom style, but maybe that's not a good assumption. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start -Subject: Re: git-svn -To: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 02:02:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: git-svn > Well checkout works and I can make changes. > I just cannot commit changes. I get @@ -7969,21 +7055,12 @@ svn told me that a commit failed when in fact it worked. To avoid confusion in such a case I was doing update (the update proved that commit worked). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 08 May 2007 22:47:44 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Axiom and Superman - -Hi, - As of revision 536, if you build Axiom build-improvements with Superman disabled, e.g. currently on Windows, you can still install the "axiom" script (through the usual "make install") and invoke it as @@ -7992,15 +7069,10 @@ won't get HyperDoc and friends. built and tested on Windows with msys/mingw. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 00:43:56 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: JavaFX This might be interesting as a way to get a portable @@ -8033,16 +7105,10 @@ graphics API than with the javascript/canvas tag combo. There is no such thing as a simple job. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:27:32 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: git-svn >Are you sure you can't commit. @@ -8053,19 +7119,11 @@ I had the correct permissions. It used the svn client directly. The git-svn connection does everything except commit. I'm still puzzled about it. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:53:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: git-svn - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Tim Daly: @@ -8094,15 +7152,10 @@ http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/archives/git/0611/32475.html If your version is older you might try to upgrade. The current verison is v1.5.1.4. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:32:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Issue 351 I wonder what shall we do with issue 351. One "solution" is to @@ -8148,19 +7201,11 @@ R is claimed to be field, but test for unit fails: unitNormalize(squareFree(r) pretend %) ... - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 19:29:48 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Desired functionality from noweb -Cc: list >>>> Try >>>> %---BEGIN aaa.pamphlet @@ -8206,17 +7251,11 @@ toplevel chunk, you simply have a single chunk with its definition spread through the file, with the scan identifying where the pieces are and putting them together. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Subject: Re: Compiler speed -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 02:55:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Compiler speed Martin Rubey wrote: > Unfortunately, I do not have the time to check this now. Maybe you could @@ -8242,12 +7281,6 @@ flag. We can set this flag to nil -- extendLocalLibdb will then return immediately without doing anything. Users needing libdb.text can still set $createLocalLibDb to true get old behaviour. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -8285,25 +7318,12 @@ use yet, so there is some exploring to do. SLIME is worth a look to see how it supports the sb-introspection features in other lisps. CMUCL might be workable as well. -Cheers, -CY - -__________________________________________________ -Do You Yahoo!? -Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around -http://mail.yahoo.com - - - \start Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: cl-web v0.7 To: list - ---- Cliff Yapp wrote: - > I'm not sure this really deserves a release, but I may not be able to > work on this for a week so I'll go ahead and put it out there. @@ -8312,22 +7332,11 @@ Oh, here are the links: http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.7.lisp.pdf http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.7.tar.gz - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never miss an email again! -Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - - \start -Subject: Re: PFE, Complex and INT -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:05:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: PFE, Complex and INT Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear all, @@ -8427,22 +7436,12 @@ which seem to agree with implementation. > normPolynomial: Sup -> SupR > normPolynomial pp == > map(retract(#1@%)::R,pp * map(conjugate,pp)) -> -> - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start +Date: 10 May 2007 08:28:40 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Compiler speed -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 May 2007 08:28:40 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -8480,17 +7479,10 @@ Hm, but if I generate my library using the aldor compiler (externally), index.KAF is *not* created, but HyperDoc (and getDatabase) still finds the docstrings. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Bill Page, - axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 May 2007 08:53:56 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: indentation on MathAction Dear Bill, @@ -8520,22 +7512,11 @@ In fact, maybe the better version would be to introduce a new enviroment that causes text to be typeset verbatim. But, contrary to the verbatim environment, it should not cause the text to be rendered as a picture... -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 10 May 2007 09:02:34 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: PFE, Complex and INT -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 10 May 2007 09:02:34 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev - -Dear Waldek, - many thanks for looking into this. Unfortunately, I'm an absolute beginner concerning factorization and number theory, as you probably noticed... @@ -8594,17 +7575,12 @@ therefore... Yes. Maybe, IntegerNumberSystem, though. (I think we want to support factorization in Complex SingleInteger, too. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:22:19 +0200 -To: list From: Frederic Lehobey -Cc: sciences@rmll.info +To: list Subject: Axiom at LSM 2007? +Cc: Frederic Lehobey Dear Axiom developers and users, @@ -8676,7 +7652,7 @@ appreciated. If you are considering coming and submitting a talk, please send us as soon as possible an email at the following address: - sciences@rmll.info + Frederic Lehobey with an English summary of your talk (and a French one if you can, but if not, we will translate the English one). Feel free to send this @@ -8700,98 +7676,11 @@ Thi=E9ry, Nicolas Limare and Simion Pruna (Medicine) already been issued by Simion Pruna in charge of this part. 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Veuillez noter que pour le sous-th=E8me m=E9decine, un appel =E0 -contributions sp=E9cifique a =E9t=E9 diffus=E9 par Simion Pruna en charge= - de -cette partie. Voir : http://atlas.ici.ro/ehto/LSM.htm - - - \start +Date: 12 May 2007 01:16:57 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Issue 351 -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 May 2007 01:16:57 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -8826,19 +7715,12 @@ At least, I couldn't find an example, nor could I make up one. :-( -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 01:58:56 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceUWqBGfJeesfwvRFmfDQuChW8GVg== -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, @@ -8860,19 +7742,12 @@ provide these and similar categorical constructs. I would be most interested in your comments on this approach. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:57:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Bill, @@ -8936,9 +7811,6 @@ sources it is a bad idea to mention "Rep" in an "extend". If this is necessary, then the original (unextended) definition does not have enough functionality. -Ralf - - On 05/12/2007 07:58 AM, Bill Page wrote: > Ralf, > @@ -8959,22 +7831,13 @@ On 05/12/2007 07:58 AM, Bill Page wrote: > provide these and similar categorical constructs. > > I would be most interested in your comments on this approach. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:35:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: categorial rep and per? -Hi Bill, - On http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxLimitsAndColimits @@ -9002,18 +7865,12 @@ relation at all. Mathematically seen, they are objects of different categories. So rep and per would be functors (if anything). But how can such a construction be made functorial. I don't see that. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:29:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceUc42IdFPr4gCQQMS8YDXOJRfUPQAMXwjQ -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf, @@ -9159,9 +8016,6 @@ functions. You are absolutely right. My example of the use of extend is deficient. I like correct this as soon as I get another hour to spare. - -Regards, -Bill Page. > > On 05/12/2007 07:58 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -9187,17 +8041,10 @@ Bill Page. > > I would be most interested in your comments on this approach. > > - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:13:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceUeNTEh8FhW9VYRCKyjfyyRekDfAANL8xQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: categorial rep and per? On May 12, 2007 5:35 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -9290,22 +8137,12 @@ in RepAndPer that yes rep and per are adjoint functors in a categorical sense. I still think that might be a fruitful point of view. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 May 2007 11:15:00 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] Char and DFlo types - -Hi, - The attached patch make depsys buildable with CLISP. string-char is a cltl1 ttype, it is not part of ANSI Lisp. @@ -9493,15 +8330,12 @@ Applied to build-improvements. (defconstant |ArrInit| (the |Arr| nil)) (defconstant |RecordInit| (the |Record| nil)) - - \start Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:14:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, aldor-l , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: a little category theory and inductive types +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Bill, @@ -9604,19 +8438,12 @@ instead, one should be able to write x: A := a(p) where p is an element of Record(a: A, b: B, ...); -Ralf - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 May 2007 07:53:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] more character stuff - -Hi, - The previous patch that used the ANSI Lisp character type, in lieu of the non-standard but cltl conformant string-char, misses a few places. Fixed thusly. @@ -9926,15 +8753,12 @@ places. Fixed thusly. ;(define-function 'CVECP #'stringp) - - - \start -Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:26:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff +Cc: Camm Maguire > > Hi, @@ -9958,18 +8782,12 @@ enough to work well using character -- we probably should ask Camm if there are any issues making string-char preferable for GCL. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:39:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On Sun, 13 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10017,20 +8835,12 @@ questionable part. Here is my work flow: That sounds reasonable. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 May 2007 08:44:30 -0500 -Cc: +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: vmlisp - -Hi, - I understand the historical need for vmlisp.lisp -- which has now grown out of its original purpose. @@ -10043,16 +8853,12 @@ VMLISP into BOOT, and minimize the size of the current web. Comments? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:01:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On Sun, 13 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10071,15 +8877,11 @@ inappropriate. Camm, do we have good enough support for the ANSI Lisp character type so that we can use it in lie of string-char? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: vmlisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:05:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: vmlisp Cc: list > I understand the historical need for vmlisp.lisp -- which has now @@ -10132,18 +8934,11 @@ I should say stress one point here: simultaneously with moving code around or implementing new functionality we should remove old code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:23:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp -Cc: list On Sun, 13 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10232,17 +9027,11 @@ doing and we can prove/convince each other that removing the old code is the good way forward. I would propose that code removal be subject to discussion so that we have a public record of each others' understanding. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: vmlisp -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10329,21 +9118,10 @@ Agreed. We want to avoid "dead" code and prune it out - it only makes the system harder to understand. Perhaps some of it can be made "live" again but I'll bet a lot of it is dead for good. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:22:33 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: lisp dead code I've been using the method of finding the root of the code tree and @@ -10358,17 +9136,11 @@ will eventually move into bookvol6. Hyperdoc is bookvol7 and graphics is bookvol8. What remains after the tree is walked must either contain a new root or dead code. -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 13 May 2007 16:31:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp dead code -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 May 2007 16:31:36 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -10395,14 +9167,10 @@ Lisp. I would encourage people to preserve and improve working Boot codes, and document *why* they are doing what they are doing. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:08:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: sbcl port At: @@ -10473,18 +9241,11 @@ time we execute the test. The is also some clisp code: it is probably not working yet (and it uses paths corresponding to locations on my hard drive...). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: lisp dead code -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:33:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: lisp dead code > I've been using the method of finding the root of the code tree and > walking the branches. At each branch node, the code is collected and @@ -10502,18 +9263,11 @@ Cc: list IIRC bookvol5 also contains dead code. And frankly, concerning readability I find bookvol5 worse than rest of the interpreter. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 13 May 2007 19:04:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: lisp dead code -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 May 2007 19:04:43 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -10522,16 +9276,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: I have to agree. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 13 May 2007 19:17:26 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: sbcl port -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 May 2007 19:17:26 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -10561,18 +9310,12 @@ Muchnick may be of interest. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=567752.567776 --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: lisp dead code Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:43:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceVtylumYK0NxV5Rh6eqyTitDUC/gAHFtnw -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: lisp dead code +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 13, 2007 7:34 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -10620,21 +9363,12 @@ prospect that Boot can now be fully documented and properly maintained, if there is any re-writing to be done, then I think it is in the opposite direction - from Lisp to Boot. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: lisp dead code -To: Bill Page, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis - +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -10711,23 +9445,11 @@ count for much until I show code to back them. Those who do have code, regardless of direction, I wish to say thank you for helping to make Axiom what it is today and what it may become. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 02:05:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 May 2007 02:05:36 -0500 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10784,17 +9506,11 @@ that to work, there ought to be that the symbols CONSOLE from packages VMLISP (where the function DEFIOSTREAM is defined) and package BOOT (where DEFIOSTREAM is called from) are EQ. They not EQ. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: vmlisp -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:19:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: vmlisp Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10924,18 +9640,11 @@ track variables to determine if branch is dead -- usually I do this when the code looks very wrong (say references non existent functions). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:49:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10953,16 +9662,11 @@ latest in effect. At non-toplevel, you have macros.lisp, setvars.boot. Although, the multiplicity should be removed (and that is what I did in my local trees), I don't think my issues are just solved by removing codes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: vmlisp -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -10994,15 +9698,10 @@ Yes. Clearly, it has always looked to me as a temporary hack. Before, removing the dead code, we should understand what was originally intented and why it was not working and prompted the hack. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:57:44 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: common lisp in firefox You can now use standard common lisp to write scripts in firefox: @@ -11015,16 +9714,10 @@ view page source and you can see the scripting language. The home page for the work is at - -Tim - - - - \start -To: list Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:07:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Axiom on clisp I can now report succesful build on clisp. You can find a patch at: @@ -11067,18 +9760,11 @@ same as double-float and allowing numbers comparable to MOST-POSITIVE-LONG-FLOAT may lead to overflow in double-float computations. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 12:13:13 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom on clisp -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 May 2007 12:13:13 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -11091,25 +9777,20 @@ That is a bug in Axiom. The fix is to use double-float everywhere. See my previous postings on the subject. This affect both the interpreter/compile codes, as well as Algebra codes. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: sbcl port -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:24:56 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: sbcl port Le lundi 14 mai 2007 =E0 01:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit [...] -> 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that=20 ->=20 +> 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that +> > relativeApprox(squareDiff8,10**(-3))::Float ->=20 +> > line goes into infinite loop. Does @@ -11123,7 +9804,7 @@ times ago and didn't receive any response. Maybe another report with an example will help (I patch sb-kernel::two-arg-gcd each time I upgrade SBCL). ->=20 +> > Also, currently sbcl spends a lot of time (more than 1 hour) > compiling the function jordanAdmissible? from > AlgebraGivenByStructuralConstants. @@ -11131,20 +9812,11 @@ time I upgrade SBCL). Same thing happens on CMUCL. Compilation time of this function depends greatly on the optimize qualities. -Many thanks, - -Greg - - - - - \start -To: sciences@rmll.info -Subject: Re: Axiom at LSM 2007? -From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 May 2007 19:48:00 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Frederic Lehobey +Subject: Re: Axiom at LSM 2007? Dear Frederic, @@ -11161,18 +9833,10 @@ it would be quite important for the Axiom project to do some advertising. Please keep us informed, I hope that next year I will be able to come! -All the best, - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:10:58 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Knuth's literate style An interesting reference worth purchasing, checking out from a library, @@ -11206,47 +9870,39 @@ documentation for other programs so we can "compare and constrast". Does anyone know of another example of literate programming? Can we build a biblography of these references? -Tim - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:33:31 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:33:31 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AceWUziiPyHD/ESGTuKmoDzZQOG4PQABdGKw -Cc: list On May 14, 2007 2:11 PM Tim Daly wrote: ->=20 -> An interesting reference worth purchasing, checking out from=20 +> +> An interesting reference worth purchasing, checking out from > a library, or stealing from a friend... In any case, it helps > to have looked at it carefully at least once as there are many > features here: ->=20 +> > Knuth, Donald E. "TEX, The Program" Addison Wesley, 1986 > ISBN 0-201-13437-3 ->=20 -> It will help set the baseline for a discussion of literate=20 +> +> It will help set the baseline for a discussion of literate > documentation. This is my current target, modulo using latex- -> compatible chunk syntax to eliminate the WEAVE step.=20 ->=20 +> compatible chunk syntax to eliminate the WEAVE step. +> > The stated plan is to have a literate version of the interpreter, > the compiler, the hyperdoc, the graphics and the algebra. ->=20 +> > Knuth clearly intended that this be a readable document for > someone interested in TEX. Note that the program has survived > and is widely used despite a thousand other ways to typeset. ->=20 -> The fact that TEX lives is interesting. I used another=20 +> +> The fact that TEX lives is interesting. I used another > competing program call SCRIPT, which was the IBM-sponsored > mark-up language. There have been many, many others which > haven't survived. I believe that the documentation (and the > side benefits of cleaning up the program to publish) is vital. ->=20 +> I agree with all that but I think it is relevant to point out that TeX has not really survived the development of the World @@ -11352,23 +10008,13 @@ I wanted to thank you for the effort you've put into Leo. It looks fantastic. I've always though that Literate Programming was a good idea, but the tools were completely un-workable. -- Bob Hustead -Etc. etc. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 May 2007 21:54:52 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > I agree with all that but I think it is relevant to point out that TeX has > not really survived the development of the World Wide Web - and interesting @@ -11403,16 +10049,10 @@ routines. There are excellent sources on the web (especially wikipedia), and certainly documenting the factorization setup (especially the design of the categories) will ease cleaning up those terrible bugs. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:49:58 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Algebra documentation Martin, @@ -11421,16 +10061,10 @@ When I wasn't working on trying to merge the various version I was working on the algebra documentation, in particular, quaternions. See daly.axiom-developer.org/quat.spad.pdf -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:52:16 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Literate documentation Bill, @@ -11440,18 +10074,11 @@ Thanks for the pointers. The key reason Leo does not attract me is that I live in emacs. However, I will download it and try it. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Literate documentation To: Tim Daly, Bill Page -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Literate documentation Does anyone know of something like this movie introducing the SLIME Lisp environment, but for Leo? @@ -11464,11 +10091,6 @@ http://common-lisp.net/movies/slime.torrent for the bittorrent aware. So far I can't really get my brain around Leo :-(. -Cheers, -CY - - - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Bill, @@ -11477,33 +10099,12 @@ CY > > The key reason Leo does not attract me is that I live in emacs. > However, I will download it and try it. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:03:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWYb9eYAo15pltTHuk+rW7Irk7UAADE1zg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style On May 14, 2007 3:55 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -11614,21 +10215,11 @@ provide a good example for newly written code.) How will they obtain appropriate "credit" and peer recognition for this work? What other motivation can we offer them? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:17:30 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWczxGFINcQRepQfu1vfAHYLo7zgAARabg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp, Tim Daly +Subject: RE: Literate documentation On May 14, 2007 6:00 PM C Y wrote: > @@ -11649,20 +10240,11 @@ It's not a movie but you might want to try: http://www.3dtree.com/ev/e/sbooks/leo/sbframetoc_ie.htm -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 14 May 2007 17:31:50 -0500 -Cc: list - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style If TeX is your gold standard for Axiom, I'm not surprised that Research funding agencies are no longer interested in spending money @@ -11672,17 +10254,11 @@ research funds to Axiom. I use TeX or LaTeX, just like I use Windows these days, only because it is a necessary evil for the immediate constraints. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Martin Rubey Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -To: Bill Page, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -11794,25 +10370,11 @@ pathway to me, although it would mean writing at least two papers - one for the Axiom codebase and one for publishing, since those journals generally take copyright... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: list - --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -11824,23 +10386,11 @@ Cc: list If you don't mind my asking, why do you say this Gaby? -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:07:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -11859,17 +10409,11 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: Is your research funding agency interested in funding a research project that sets TeX as a Gold standard? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 19:37:55 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff - -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 14 May 2007 19:37:55 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -11902,25 +10446,10 @@ string-char is currently out of 2.7, but I'll probably put it in as deftyped to character for cltl1 compliance before release. 2.7 appears fully ansi compliant in this regard as far as I can tell. -Take care, - -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:42:30 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Literate documentation Gaby, @@ -11998,21 +10527,11 @@ mathematics than the NSF or NIST management. Thus, the funding issue is WAY above the latex question. - - -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:59:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [build-improvements] more character stuff - - <54odkn3rjg.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -12027,18 +10546,11 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: That is pretty neat! -Many thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -12060,21 +10572,10 @@ encouraging. I hadn't heard of association with TeX as being a detrimental factor to a project. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:19:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate documentation On Mon, 14 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -12157,16 +10658,11 @@ and for more information: I believe your conclusions are at odd with facts. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:21:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12197,15 +10693,10 @@ But setting TeX as the gold standard: to be blunt, that lacks ambition and vision; I don't see how a research funding agency would be excited funding something like that in 2007. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:01:40 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Literate documentation Gaby, @@ -12226,19 +10717,11 @@ Rosetta, or Doyen cannot be funded under today's machinery as stand-alone projects. At least that's the statement of NSF and NIST program managers. - -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:02:59 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style - -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12304,15 +10787,10 @@ provide the same benefits for mathematical research that the highway system does for national travel. That's just my opinion though - I have no detailed knowledge of the NSF/NIST funding mandates. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:22:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate documentation @@ -12376,18 +10854,11 @@ I'm not questioning what NSF and NIST program managers said. I'm just pointing out at some facts and trying to match those with your statements/conclusions. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:27:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style - - <464906C3.8090001@yahoo.com> -Cc: list On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -12397,18 +10868,12 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, C Y wrote: Then ask money for the space shuttle. That is what drives you. Not the launch pad -- as necessary means as it might be. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:35:53 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Literate documentation -Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:35:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWgZsSyb0p3HY2Q+mjpJux1sgqoQADlpOw -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 14, 2007 7:43 PM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -12450,16 +10915,11 @@ Sage. http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ack.html http://sage.math.washington.edu - - - - \start +Date: 14 May 2007 20:37:18 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 14 May 2007 20:37:18 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -12467,7 +10927,7 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: | > How will they obtain appropriate "credit" and peer recognition | > for this work? What other motivation can we offer them? -|=20 +| | That's a point, actually - has anyone published any papers recently | showcasing work done in/for Axiom? @@ -12479,20 +10939,13 @@ implement a small Axiom library for representing Spad programs (both interpreted and compiled) as typed abstract syntax tree -- which I'm now using in my "toy" Spad compiler written in Spad. That also pressed me to start (earlier than planned) a formal definition of Spad -(not easy). The work will be presented at ISSAC'07.=20 - --- Gaby - - +(not easy). The work will be presented at ISSAC'07. \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:47:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWeDYG3fTGENKJQmeaM/6vVJwM/QAGxVPQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style On May 14, 2007 6:36 PM C Y wrote: > ... @@ -12614,24 +11067,13 @@ toward providing a means to "credit" people for their work in a way that means something to both the average university supported researcher and the dedicated open source hobbyist. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:35 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:35 -0400 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Thread-Index: AceWkYigI2KMmOkIStS2bBPpQlLmdgACjx4w -Cc: list -On May 14, 2007 9:37 PM Gaby wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > Jacob Smith, a student of a colleague (Jaakko J=E4rvi), took my > class on symbolic computations last fall. For his class project, > he choosed Algorithmic Differentiation in Axiom. We were able @@ -12641,27 +11083,19 @@ On May 14, 2007 9:37 PM Gaby wrote: > typed abstract syntax tree -- which I'm now using in my "toy" > Spad compiler written in Spad. That also pressed me to start > (earlier than planned) a formal definition of Spad (not easy). -> The work will be presented at ISSAC'07.=20 ->=20 +> The work will be presented at ISSAC'07. +> Excellent! I will be very interested in your publication. Also I am hoping that you and Jacob will be motivated to contribute this work to the Axiom Library and to discuss the work via the axiom-math email list and/or the Axiom wiki. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style To: Bill Page -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12833,24 +11267,11 @@ will become possible, and I think it will be important to the future of Axiom. After all, the best way to get new research into the system is to have people do the research using it and contribute it back ;-). -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck -in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html - - - \start Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -12876,25 +11297,13 @@ Cc: list Indeed, very good news! Darn it, now I'm going to have to figure out some way to get up to ISSAC07... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 May 2007 08:42:50 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Knuth's literate style -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > For example, the arXiv accepts other formats then TeX only > > very reluctantly. All the large (math-) publishers use TeX @@ -12962,17 +11371,10 @@ Bounties may help, especially in countries where income is low in comparison with the US or Austria. I think, Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia are prime candidates. I'll advertise Axiom in China this summer. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 May 2007 08:59:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Funding Dear all, @@ -13002,29 +11404,17 @@ Research could be: implement Joris van der Hoevens zero-test for differentially algebraic functions and some others, benchmark and conclude that Joris was right. - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:11:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Knuth's literate style -Cc: list - - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---8323584-1348317459-1179234673=:29057 On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: | On May 14, 2007 9:37 PM Gaby wrote: -| > ...=20 +| > ... | > Jacob Smith, a student of a colleague (Jaakko J=E4rvi), took my | > class on symbolic computations last fall. For his class project, | > he choosed Algorithmic Differentiation in Axiom. We were able @@ -13034,9 +11424,9 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: | > typed abstract syntax tree -- which I'm now using in my "toy" | > Spad compiler written in Spad. That also pressed me to start | > (earlier than planned) a formal definition of Spad (not easy). -| > The work will be presented at ISSAC'07.=20 -| >=20 -|=20 +| > The work will be presented at ISSAC'07. +| > +| | Excellent! I will be very interested in your publication. Also | I am hoping that you and Jacob will be motivated to contribute | this work to the Axiom Library and to discuss the work via the @@ -13045,17 +11435,11 @@ On Mon, 14 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: It is my hope that the library will become part of regular Axiom distribution. Jacob will be at ISSAC. --- Gaby ---8323584-1348317459-1179234673=:29057-- - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:47:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list > It's not a movie but you might want to try: > @@ -13120,16 +11504,12 @@ I don't think that I will change too quickly to LEO. Sorry Bill, what are your experiences with LEO? Have you used it for a small project? -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:11:15 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Funding +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin, @@ -13211,20 +11591,12 @@ Alternatively RISC might be able to handle the money for grant funding and use it to "subgrant" to Axiom. I have not explored this funding idea. -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:25:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Funding -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Alternatively RISC might be able to handle the money for grant funding > and use it to "subgrant" to Axiom. I have not explored this funding idea. @@ -13232,15 +11604,10 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis I am not sure that I understand this. Organisational, RISC is an ordinary university institute. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:28:07 -0500 -To: "Dustin Long" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Dustin Long Subject: canvas tag (note: copied to the axiom mailing list) @@ -13273,17 +11640,12 @@ Is your project open source? How is it licensed? Axiom uses the Modified BSD license which basically allows anyone to do whatever they wish with the code. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:43:02 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Funding +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> Alternatively RISC might be able to handle the money for grant funding > and use it to "subgrant" to Axiom. I have not explored this funding idea. @@ -13297,22 +11659,11 @@ institute set up as a consortium arrangement based on industry funding. I don't recall the details. Clearly I misunderstood and clearly I'm wrong. Thanks for the correction. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:14:02 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceW96c5msF1sy+lT920fGpoDeYMkgAERx0A -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation On May 15, 2007 9:48 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -13437,19 +11788,11 @@ project using Leo yet. What do you say? Are you willing to give it a try with Axiom? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:49:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list >> I used leo-4-4-3-alpha-2 @@ -13539,17 +11882,10 @@ the input language and semantics as small differences. What is LEO's actual realtion to noweb? Can I weave to a .nw file or tangle to get a .nw file. I still haven't come across that information. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:13:25 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceWch4sKJnjMRHpRPySL5l/xAJKVAAsdAOQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: Literate documentation Tim, @@ -13581,21 +11917,11 @@ at address http://www.cwi.nl/~jve/HR Great. Xemacs is integrated into Leo as an external editor plug-in. Let me know if you think I can help. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:32:57 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceXGWlN8IyYS851Sa6bztThy+ErxAACYzcw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation Ralf, @@ -13679,19 +12005,11 @@ I believe noweb is first of all an external format for Leo. To get a noweb file from Leo you use export. Leo does however implement some things that seem motivated by noweb. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: re: Literate documentation -Cc: list >> The key reason Leo does not attract me is that I live in >> emacs. However, I will download it and try it. @@ -13729,16 +12047,11 @@ LEO seems to focus the other way round (program text with comments). But if Axiom code ends looking like that what LeoPy.leo presents, then LEO gets a clear *no* from me. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:59:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list >>> No problem. I think "first impressions" are very important. >> Yes. And for psychology tells that it is hard to change the @@ -13761,17 +12074,11 @@ wouldn't confuse me so much. Yes, yes. Maybe I should further explore LEO's usefulness. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: re: Literate documentation -To: Ralf Hemmecke, - Bill Page -Cc: list --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -13799,24 +12106,11 @@ I am curious about a small, new lisp editor called Able http://phil.nullable.eu/ and whether it could be taught to do what we need for Axiom. Unfortunately it's GPL which can be tricky in Lisp... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast -with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:21:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Literate documentation -Cc: list, axiom-legal@nongnu.org > I am curious about a small, new lisp editor called Able > http://phil.nullable.eu/ and whether it could be taught to do what we @@ -13839,19 +12133,11 @@ if I want to program in Axiom? If you had written Aldor or SPAD++ IDE that would count, but still only half interesting, since we need a LP-aware IDE. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Literate documentation To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +Subject: re: Literate documentation > Another question is why do you believe that I would consider a LISP > IDE if I want to program in Axiom? If you had written Aldor or @@ -13871,22 +12157,10 @@ for Axiom programming. I want to explore the possibility of creating the editor that we would want for Axiom, which would likely combine a Lisp IDE, a SPAD++ IDE, and literate programming. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:18:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: lispdoc for those of you who like to use emacs there is a facility @@ -13903,17 +12177,11 @@ be possible to do the same with axiom documentation. see - -t - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:04:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lispdoc -Cc: list see @@ -13933,19 +12201,11 @@ If you have a link to such a conventions page that would help me a bit being able to understand 0.1% more of the lisp code that is floating around here. -Thank you. - -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 16 May 2007 11:20:08 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: lispdoc - <464AC91D.8060803@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 16 May 2007 11:20:08 +0200 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -13976,17 +12236,12 @@ Think of a special variable as a global variable. As far as I know this is also a convention, namely for keyword arguments. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Kai Kaminski -Subject: Re: lispdoc Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:18:44 +0200 +From: Kai Kaminski To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: lispdoc +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke On May 16, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -14056,15 +12311,10 @@ from cl-who (http://weitz.de/cl-who/): (:head (:title "My Homepage")) (:body (:h1 "hello world")))) -Kai - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:09:05 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: lispdoc Ralf, @@ -14117,16 +12367,10 @@ You can see this by: Every symbol has these 5 parts. If the current package is the same as the package field of the symbol then you just use the symbol name. - - -t - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:01:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: ProofGeneral Could someone have a look at @@ -14138,26 +12382,17 @@ http://proofgeneral.inf.ed.ac.uk/eclipse Bill, that is from the answer of Christoph L=FCth whom I asked about the = project http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~cxl/eig/index.html. -You sent me that that link recently in connection with literate=20 +You sent me that that link recently in connection with literate programming in eclipse. -I currently have no time. Is there some stuff in this plugin that is=20 +I currently have no time. Is there some stuff in this plugin that is connected with literate programming? -Ralf - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:40:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: ProofGeneral - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -14224,17 +12459,10 @@ algebra in this sense. In principle I think it would be quite easy to develop plug-ins for both emacs and eclipse based on the example of Proof General. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:01:05 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292" Subject: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) ------=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292 @@ -14267,28 +12495,13 @@ There also doesn't seem to be a repository of programs developed by other users, a "share" directory, if you like, both for seeing examples of Axiom programs, and also to see what's also been developed. --Alasdair - -------=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292 - -I have been following the discussions with some interest, as I am slowly and tentatively dipping my toes into Axiom.

First, I believe strongly that LaTeX is the best tool for the publication of mathematics.  In fact, the best documentation for any CAS that I've seen was the Hyperdvi material which accompanied MuPAD (before it went commercial).  This had the advantages of being lovely to look at, as well as being cross-platform.  As well there was plenty of ASCII documentation to use from a terminal.  HyperDoc is good, but there is a lot missing, in particular examples for every command.  And it's not cross-platform. -

One of the problems in learning Axiom is that it seems more "difficult" than other CAS's, and there's no elementary beginners guide.  There are the books, yes, and wonderful they are, but nobody seems to have produced a smaller "getting started" document, such as exists for every other CAS.  I have programmed in Maple, Mathematica, MuPAD, Maxima, as well as with Matlab and Scilab, and to a certain degree they are all very similar.   So it's just a matter of minor syntactical differences moving from one to the other.  Axiom gives the impression of being the domain of the few, rather than a workhorse for the many.   -This impression is not lessened by reading that Axiom aims to be the "best" CAS in terms of its algorithms and implementation.  This seems to imply that plonkers like me, who are happy if a program just works, should keep away from trying to write code in Axiom. -

There also doesn't seem to be a repository of programs developed by other users, a "share" directory, if you like, both for seeing examples of Axiom programs, and also to see what's also been developed. -

-Alasdair
- -------=_Part_51722_4445466.1179360065292-- - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 16 May 2007 19:09:51 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: [...] @@ -14298,20 +12511,13 @@ Cc: list I would think that the directory src/algebra is such a "share" directory. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:06:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list -Quoting Alasdair McAndrew : +Quoting Alasdair McAndrew: > ... > One of the problems in learning Axiom is that it seems more @@ -14387,11 +12593,6 @@ to contribute to this effort while you learn Axiom. If you have questions about Axiom, there a many people on this list who are willing to help. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -14424,25 +12625,14 @@ PDF here: http://portal.axiom-developer.org/Members/starseeker/cl-web-v0.8.lisp.pdf -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -To: Alasdair McAndrew , list -Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 May 2007 10:22:41 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Learning Axiom (Literate programming, LaTeX etc) Cc: -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Some of the internal design of MuPad was influenced directly by Axiom, > specifically it's concept of domains (types) and categories. @@ -14512,15 +12702,10 @@ the "share" directory is src/algebra and the stuff in AxiomContributions some day might be integrated into src/algebra. For example, my guessing package moved already. -Martin - - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 May 2007 10:29:55 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: HyperDoc replacement Dear all, @@ -14533,18 +12718,10 @@ better, I need some help: * did anybody try my stuff on MS Windows? Success, failure? -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:02:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceYwJobf7byaJSSS/aLmRGDAMy7LwABIpYg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: FW: [leo - Help] RE: Importing noweb project I recently posted some messages concerning Leo and Axiom to the @@ -14625,22 +12802,10 @@ forums when I do something on the wiki. Such questions are welcome. Please start a new thread for them. -Edward - -______________________________________________________________________ -You are receiving this email because you elected to monitor this forum. -To stop monitoring this forum, login to SourceForge.net and visit: -https://sourceforge.net/forum/unmonitor.php?forum_id=10227 - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:23:17 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: MathEdit? Has anyone looked at this? @@ -14651,55 +12816,43 @@ http://wme.cs.kent.edu/mathedit/ I wonder if this work would be of interest to Axiom? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:57:54 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: mathEdit I cannot reach that website or file. Has anyone been successful? -Tim - - - - \start -Subject: Re: sbcl port -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:58:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: sbcl port Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Le lundi 14 mai 2007 ? 01:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 -> > 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that=20 -> >=20 +> +> > 3) The reclos test do not finish, it looks that +> > > > relativeApprox(squareDiff8,10**(-3))::Float -> >=20 +> > > > line goes into infinite loop. ->=20 +> > Does ->=20 +> > )lis (gcd 8 most-negative-fixnum) ->=20 +> > return the gcd ? ->=20 +> > If not it's a bug in SBCL (x86_64). I reported it some > times ago and didn't receive any response. Maybe another > report with an example will help (I patch sb-kernel::two-arg-gcd each > time I upgrade SBCL). ->=20 +> Thanks for info. Yes, as of 1.0.4 declarations in two-arg-gcd are blatantly wrong. I must say that it is strange that the code works @@ -14709,25 +12862,16 @@ still there... I remeber that you wrote about SBCL bug, but I supected that you mean that SBCL miscompiles some parts of AXIOM -- build log suggests -that some routines are miscompiled.=20 +that some routines are miscompiled. After patching two-arg-gcd it seems that my private version passes all tests (modulo missing writablep function and fake sockets). - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: sbcl port -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -14746,23 +12890,11 @@ working patch will be likely to catch their attention. Hmm. Do you suspect more sbcl bugs? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:49:46 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list > I believe noweb is first of all an external format for Leo. > To get a noweb file from Leo you use export. Leo does however @@ -14815,18 +12947,11 @@ to use LEO in order to produce an article+code about some mathematical idea. LEO is, in my eyes, very code focused. Am I wrong? -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:12:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceZdPPdEplwD8HzRP62ZfgZQjFaXQAIQ6Gw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation Ralf, @@ -14939,20 +13064,11 @@ I think you are right. It is apparently viewed by many people who use it as a kind of high level integrated development environment (IDE) that supports literature programming. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:46:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -15085,20 +13201,11 @@ powerful as Eclipse+TeXmacs+LEO+(Emacs). I think one of my next tasks is to investigate what TeXmacs misses. -Good night - -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: Literate documentation -To: Bill Page, - Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -15177,23 +13284,10 @@ integrated with a powerful CAS. My opinion is "hyperlinked research paper". But that's one opinion. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:33:47 -0400 -From: Dustin Long +From: Dustin Long To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <464E45EB.20002@stevens.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: canvas tag Tim Daly wrote: @@ -15235,14 +13329,10 @@ Kamen Lisp is currently offered under the MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license. I'm not too familiar with the Modified BSD, but I believe using the MPL will allow the two to be combined. -Dustin - - - \start -To: list Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 03:58:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: boot notes NAG cdrom contains file called boot.notes describing Shoe. Another @@ -15260,18 +13350,11 @@ I must say that IMHO this file would loose much of its utility if somebody tried to chunkify it with corresponding code, so probably the best place for it is doc subdirectory. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: MathEdit? -To: Axiom-Developer Sorry about yesterday, these links work for me now. @@ -15286,33 +13369,12 @@ CY > http://wme.cs.kent.edu/mathedit/ > > I wonder if this work would be of interest to Axiom? -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - \start +Date: 18 May 2007 21:25:40 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: boot notes -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 May 2007 21:25:40 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -15336,18 +13398,12 @@ Please could you put it on the build-improvement branches too? I've very short and outdated material about Shoe on the web, and I would be interested to complete it. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:24:06 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceZptfze4OQepqdQ+aKg2Zt/DO2owAFJxqA -Cc: edreamleo@charter.net, list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation +Cc: Edward Ream Ralf, @@ -15643,34 +13699,20 @@ http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyxWithRThroughSweave Maybe what you want is something like Leo+Lyx? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:52:27 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Linus on Git http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 Linux Torvalds talks about Git at Google. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:28:55 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Leo Well, I've looked at and tried Leo. @@ -15705,16 +13747,10 @@ like it to be and is not a good example yet. But I leave the debate about Leo to everyone else. -Tim - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 May 2007 12:44:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: fixing SPAD Dear Gaby & Waldek, @@ -15738,19 +13774,12 @@ and only. (Please check this, I'm not entirely sure.) Do you think it would be difficult to fix this? I do not see a workaround, unfortunately. -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:34:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: edreamleo@charter.net, list +Cc: Edward Ream >> I know that the "clone" idea is powerful. Without clones LEO >> is just a fancy way of showing the table of contents and @@ -15980,18 +14009,12 @@ Let's see how this works out in our Axiom experiment. ;-) Oh thanks for that hint and yet another evaluation work. ;-) -Ciao -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: fixing SPAD -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:01:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Gaby & Waldek, @@ -16034,18 +14057,12 @@ I belive that we should add to Complex something like the snippet below error "Field given to Complex already contains square root of -1" --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 16:19:58 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 19 May 2007 16:19:58 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -16066,18 +14083,12 @@ linear combinations of 1 and %i, where %i^2 = 1. (That's also roughly what the doc says.) Do you see a different interpretation for the 'Complex' constructor? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:31:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16118,18 +14129,12 @@ a good way forward: Therefore, I believe this is an issue that should be given thought. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 May 2007 16:47:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16158,20 +14163,12 @@ is irreducible in F. I guess, your answer (whether it would be "easy"), is "no"... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:09:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16187,47 +14184,26 @@ On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: I meant in the context of conditional exports. Sorry, if that wasn't clear -- as I assumed you were talking of exports. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:11:18 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Linus on Git -Cc: list -Very interesting the part of git feature for merging compared to svn, especially -with the current situation in Axiom Silver. +Very interesting the part of git feature for merging compared to svn, +especially with the current situation in Axiom Silver. On 5/19/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 > > Linux Torvalds talks about Git at Google. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 May 2007 17:19:31 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16261,20 +14237,12 @@ combination works, but arbitrary predicates don't. Do we agree? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:21:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16290,21 +14258,12 @@ solid, well structured codes. My original statement was an observation about why I believe removing the restriction is something that should be considered. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:23:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q1whc96yk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16342,22 +14301,12 @@ Martin -- If you cannot correctly parse what I wrote, then I drop the ball. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q1whc96yk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 May 2007 17:59:30 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -16394,26 +14343,12 @@ I agree that removing the restriction is important. But since I have no idea how long I'll have to wait for it, I wonder whether a workaround exists. (apart from switching to Aldor) -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:19:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q1whc96yk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qfy5shkil.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16436,16 +14371,11 @@ I'm saying that we seriously consider the above when A, B or C happen to be patterns (`is form') or attribute queries (`has form'). Note that from Spad point of view, they are just predicates. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: fixing SPAD -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:46:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: fixing SPAD Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sat, 19 May 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -16480,18 +14410,11 @@ allowed, but support (or lack of it) does not cause conceptual or practical difficulties: complicated expressions are just syntatic sugar for combinations of simple expressions. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:09:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: fixing SPAD -Cc: axiom-dev On Sat, 19 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -16543,18 +14466,12 @@ I don't see what you guys are trying to make as a point. I'm out of this discussion. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:09:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: fixing SPAD - -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Martin -- > @@ -16567,23 +14484,12 @@ Did this mail help anybody? Gaby, could you please avoid such statements on the list. Just imagine that somebody replied to you with that sentence; how would you feel? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:13:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: fixing SPAD - - <9qodkgyinb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q1whc96yk.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <464F2F59.3020006@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sat, 19 May 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -16601,16 +14507,12 @@ I'll go back re-read the messages carefully. Would not you? This discussion is silly. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: fixing SPAD -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:15:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -16648,19 +14550,12 @@ should carefully consider types to avoid such convertions. Also, IIRC Expression or related domains refer back to Complex, so I prefer to trap zero divisors in Complex. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:16:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: fixing SPAD -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >>From aggcat.spad.pamphlet: > @@ -16694,16 +14589,12 @@ defined by the language and thus cannot be evaluated at compile time. In Aldor that is delayed until the time that category is first used (at runtime). Only then the actual exports are computed. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: re: fixing SPAD -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:28:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: fixing SPAD +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Martin, correct me if I am wrong... But I guess Martin meant that @@ -16735,20 +14626,12 @@ so restrictions on boolean expressions are just parser thing (in other word syntactic sugar). The restriction on base predicates is deeper. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 19:38:17 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: fixing SPAD - <464F30D7.5090302@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 19 May 2007 19:38:17 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -16765,17 +14648,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: Yes, that's exactly what I meant. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: re: fixing SPAD -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:43:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: fixing SPAD Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > I don't see what you guys are trying to make as a point. @@ -16798,18 +14675,11 @@ put things stright: Spad compiler does not grook T is Double here, then your example compile fine. If you replace 'T has Ring or T is Double' by 'T is Double' it fails. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 19:53:12 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: fixing SPAD -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 19 May 2007 19:53:12 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -16838,17 +14708,11 @@ I would like to trap zero divisors with the predicate if R has Field then ... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:56:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: fixing SPAD -Cc: axiom-dev On Sat, 19 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -16874,17 +14738,12 @@ My point so far is: I don't see the point of the restriction, whether is "is" or prime?. We should seriously consider allowing all of them, as long as they are predicates. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: Re: Literate documentation -To: Ralf Hemmecke, - Bill Page -Cc: edreamleo@charter.net, list +Cc: Edward Ream --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -17088,24 +14947,11 @@ to supply user expected behaviors while retaining the rigor behind them is a major future selling point for Axiom. We are doing the ground work now, but the future is bright. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time -with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news - - - \start -Subject: re: fixing SPAD -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:18:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: fixing SPAD Martin Rubey wrote: > "combinations of predicates through usual logical operators." *are* allowed. @@ -17181,19 +15027,11 @@ extend. It requires some real work and will not happen overnight. Doing Barenrdregt style typesystem with arbitrary predicates? Well, this is a research problem. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: fixing SPAD From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Date: 19 May 2007 20:59:29 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -17229,17 +15067,11 @@ doesn't trap usage outside of Complex F, though - unless one uses one of the "Field" functions. It's good enough, given that we do not have a free Aldor, I'd say. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:17:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Aldor -> Lisp/C was: Re: Literate documentation -Cc: list, aldor-l > Off topic, but a question about Aldor - if you compile Aldor routines > into c and build that c code, can other Aldor routines compiled into @@ -17255,31 +15087,21 @@ to call libraries that just go the .as -> .ao -> .c -> .o compilation way. Maybe somebody more knowledgable from the aldor-l mailing list (I've CC'ed) can answer that question more accurately. -Ralf - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 19 May 2007 14:58:53 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: parenthesis - Currently, Boot (new or old) supports '(|' and '|)' as alternate spellings for round parenthesis '(' and ')'. I think we should drop support for such digraphs -- no Boot fundamental code is affected. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:25:04 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Silver SILVER @@ -17557,16 +15379,6 @@ HOW? all you need to do is skip this step, post a message on axiom-developer, and let me pull your changeset. -Tim - - - - - - - - - \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:26:03 -0500 @@ -17616,18 +15428,11 @@ no community-directed effort. Please give some thought to community-directed effort. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:36:24 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Silver -Cc: list I think it will be nice to have gitweb on axiom-developer similar to this: @@ -17908,30 +15713,12 @@ On 5/19/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > someone else's repository. Or they can "pull" from yours. So > all you need to do is skip this step, post a message on > axiom-developer, and let me pull your changeset. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 20:51:08 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Community -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 19 May 2007 20:51:08 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -17978,16 +15765,11 @@ And you don't want to release Axiom once in a while, if you want a focused community. You want to release early, you want to release often. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 21:06:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Community -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 19 May 2007 21:06:47 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -18007,17 +15789,11 @@ changesets, where at any given stage we have moved forward, the system is still stable; and at the end of the series of changesets we have completed the switch. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Community -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: Tim, I think part of the difficulty here is that there is no universal consensus about direction yet, so the community is still testing @@ -18087,22 +15863,11 @@ out some mechanisms to see how well they work. Bibliography issues need to be resolved, and I'm still working on how best to handle that issue. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - - - \start +Date: 19 May 2007 22:30:35 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Community -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 19 May 2007 22:30:35 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -18127,17 +15892,11 @@ Please give a thought to why we don't seem to attract new blood to Axiom. It is not that it is that difficult. I've seen new blood in the more challenging and difficult GCC system. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 19 May 2007 22:38:39 -0500 -Subject: [build-improvements] eval-when and package call - syntax - +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] eval-when and package call syntax Boot (old or new) uses the syntax @@ -18156,15 +15915,10 @@ Boot syntax differs from Spad syntax. The new syntax is available at revision 552. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:53:24 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: gitweb Jose, @@ -18173,16 +15927,11 @@ For gitweb try: Would you care to be the first person to try to clone the git repo? -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Community To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Community --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -18263,23 +16012,10 @@ Shaking our reputation as "the hard CAS" would probably do the most good as far as attracting people, but I'm not sure how practical that is. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:06:42 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Literate ASDF > For example, I am currently looking into ASDF with the idea of teaching @@ -18302,15 +16038,10 @@ and the algebra. Very, very sweet. Even if we can't make it work I'm impressed with the idea. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:21:13 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: gitweb Sure. Really nice. Thank you. @@ -18321,21 +16052,13 @@ On 5/20/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > For gitweb try: > > Would you care to be the first person to try to clone the git repo? -> -> Tim -> - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:44:27 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_72678_11877094.1179639867356" Subject: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -------=_Part_72678_11877094.1179639867356 - Well, I can tell you why I have hesitated about joining the Axiom effort: 1) Axiom gives the impression of being more difficult and abstruse than @@ -18364,26 +16087,11 @@ ahead of Axiom on all the points I have mentioned. -Alasdair -------=_Part_72678_11877094.1179639867356 - -Well, I can tell you why I have hesitated about joining the Axiom effort:

1)  Axiom gives the impression of being more difficult and abstruse than other systems; the moment you get started you are inundated with information about categories, domains and operations.  This has enormous strength, but nonetheless makes Axiom appear bewilderingly complicated. -

2)  The online documentation is very poor.  HyperDoc (which is itself incomplete) under unix, and some confusing system commands such as ")d op differentiate", ")wh th int" which produce output meaningless to the beginning user.  There are the books, but they are no substitute for good online help. -

3)  There is not much in the way of a decent user interface.  I think TeXmacs and console is about it?  And HyperDoc isn't obtainable from TeXmacs.

4)  It doesn't seem to be particularly cross-platform. -

5)  There seems to be some lack of cohesion amongst the Axiom developers as to the direction in which Axiom should go.

I must admit that my main interest is in mathematics education, in which I think a GPL CAS has enormous potential.  But at the moment I think Maxima is ahead of Axiom on all the points I have mentioned. -

-Alasdair
- -------=_Part_72678_11877094.1179639867356-- - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Literate documentation Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:45:07 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceaEh/7sIa9xF9OQo2olOjZfKdLfwAcHhpg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Literate documentation BTW. I am omitting Ed Ream's email address for now since his inclusion in the Cc was uninvited and he has not replied so @@ -18811,18 +16519,10 @@ to writing literate documents for Axiom library code. If Axiom is going to survive, I think we have to do better and we have to do it soon. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 02:38:43 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Update noweb info Hi Waldek @@ -18839,22 +16539,13 @@ I think Bill's info on this page should be enough: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomSilverBranch -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 May 2007 09:03:39 +0200 -Cc: list - -Dear Alasdair, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > 1) Axiom gives the impression of being more difficult and abstruse than > other systems; the moment you get started you are inundated with information @@ -18936,19 +16627,11 @@ flourish. And, as I said before, I highly appreciate you and all the others being around. It's only us that can help ourselves to become "focused". -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:58:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: TeXmacs+Axiom was: Re: New blood in Axiom - <9q7ir4geno.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, - > I agree about )d op differentiate, but I disagree about )wh th int. In any > case, I'd advice you to use HyperDoc (from wh-sandbox), and forget about )di op @@ -18994,16 +16677,11 @@ in the middle of this prompt. So I believe Axiom Gold does not work together with TeXmacs. Other experiences? Any cure? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 06:42:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Community -Cc: list On Sat, 19 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -19054,18 +16732,13 @@ Currently, I would think we are closer to the guys who constantly rewrite the old stuff without making progress; that hardly attracts new blood, research funds. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 May 2007 07:15:22 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: | Well, I can tell you why I have hesitated about joining the Axiom effort: | @@ -19149,17 +16822,11 @@ Cc: list Overall, I do hope that I actively join us, even if you think you do not contribute much. It will come. We all started somewhere. --- Gaby - - - - \start +Date: 20 May 2007 07:30:14 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Silver -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 May 2007 07:30:14 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -19172,15 +16839,10 @@ Tim -- You recently committed changes to axiom/branches/daly; it is good? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:08:50 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: branches/daly/axiom > You recently committed changes to the axiom/branches/daly; it is good? @@ -19282,18 +16944,11 @@ I put together a table of binary files on a web pages someplace (can't remember where). This time around I think we need to give some thought to providing a range of binary files. -Tim - - - - - \start +Date: 20 May 2007 12:30:22 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: branches/daly/axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 May 2007 12:30:22 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -19311,16 +16966,11 @@ I got daly branch but there were no indication of what was picked from where and what was left out. I looked at CHANGELOG but it seems stuck at --patch-49. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 20 May 2007 12:38:46 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: branches/daly/axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 May 2007 12:38:46 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -19365,18 +17015,11 @@ are no near anything you would call documentation of changes. | up" the silver code. It lives in parallel on SVN and in a git | repository. -Great! - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 20 May 2007 19:42:10 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: branches/daly/axiom -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 20 May 2007 19:42:10 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Tim, @@ -19423,16 +17066,10 @@ The way to fix this is I think the first two items are easier, and will assist in work on the third item. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:52:10 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: branches/daly/axiom > I looked at the CHANGELOG and it seems stuck at --patch-49 @@ -19441,17 +17078,10 @@ Odd. I checked in the SVN version from the same source tree as the git version and I checked them in at the same time. Very, very odd. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:54:27 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: branches/daly/axiom I'll create a document to show what the main goal of the change was @@ -19459,34 +17089,20 @@ and what files where involved in the change. >From this point onward I hope to work only with changesets. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:06:01 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: mathpages Does anyone know who is behind this website? -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:12:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: branches/daly/axiom On Sun, 20 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -19525,15 +17141,10 @@ This is what I have: soliton[13:10]% --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:13:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: branches/daly/axiom On Sun, 20 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -19541,57 +17152,32 @@ On Sun, 20 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: | I'll create a document to show what the main goal of the change was | and what files where involved in the change. -Great! - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:24:47 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, list -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, list Subject: git repository the password for the git repository is 'linus'. - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:36:34 +0200 -From: Daniel Duparc +From: Daniel Duparc To: list Subject: Re: mathpages -Cc: > Does anyone know who is behind this website? > > -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> maybe Kevin Brown? please see http://home.att.net/~numericana/fame/ - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:38:50 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: CHANGELOG It appears that I stepped on CHANGELOG while testing. @@ -19601,15 +17187,10 @@ It is now up to date on git and SVN. each of the first 3 tries gave "500 Internal Server Error". Am I the only person this happens to?) -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:42:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: CHANGELOG On Sun, 20 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -19628,16 +17209,12 @@ that behaviour. Just to check, what URI are you using to access the SVN repo? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:41:27 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CHANGELOG -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > (btw, just to complain... it took 4 tries to get the SVN update to work. > each of the first 3 tries gave "500 Internal Server Error". Am I the @@ -19645,17 +17222,11 @@ Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis I think svn has a computational vendetta against you :-). -JAPP - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:43:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: CHANGELOG - -Cc: list On Sun, 20 May 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -19667,16 +17238,11 @@ On Sun, 20 May 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: bouhahaha :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: mathpages From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Date: 20 May 2007 20:46:50 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -19686,19 +17252,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: http://theassayer.org/cgi-bin/asbook.cgi?book=948 -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:53:56 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: CHANGELOG -Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:53:56 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcebDhzlKTmqB2XbQs2wjCY8+6BugAAAfRbQ -Cc: list Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -19711,18 +17269,11 @@ Tim Daly wrote: It used to happen to me all the time until I started using the new url. - - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Silver To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: - ---- Tim Daly wrote: +Subject: Re: Silver > HOW? > @@ -19820,24 +17371,11 @@ adding the change successfully. Sorry if these are silly questions. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search -that gives answers, not web links. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: TeXmacs+Axiom was: Re: New blood in Axiom Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:48:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceavSVhdmRMFoUjSriQJAcarB+PkQAV6Rag -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: TeXmacs+Axiom was: Re: New blood in Axiom Ralf, @@ -19925,21 +17463,12 @@ the 'axiom' script which starts sman and creates the double prompt but tm_axiom has not been modified to accept two prompts. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate ASDF - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Literate supporting ASDF loads.... what a truly awesome idea. @@ -19992,22 +17521,11 @@ but at this time I'm not sure they do. Anyway, I'll start in on asdf and see how that goes. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:46:43 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom was: Re: New blood in Axiom -Cc: list, +Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom was: Re: New blood in Axiom >> Strange, but I installed the debian etch package of texmacs. > @@ -20059,14 +17577,10 @@ there would be another reason for the "Unexpected End". Anywaym, I feel unable to correct that myself. :-( -Ralf - - - \start -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:36:42 -0700 +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: revision control chaos Greetings Tim, all! @@ -20086,16 +17600,10 @@ can't afford.) Thanks for listening, and thank you for Axiom! - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:43:14 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcebKGBMm8+KalzNTiy5k5EuG5v1ZwADatdQ -Cc: list, +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: TeXmacs+Axiom On May 20, 2007 5:47 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -20186,13 +17694,6 @@ like this: Then exit TeXmacs and try it again. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -20249,24 +17750,13 @@ easy enough to use. I'm convinced Tim - I'll sign up for Git as the way to go. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 May 2007 20:40:50 -0500 -Cc: list, +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -20279,33 +17769,21 @@ Cc: list, Fully agreed. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:51:47 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: CHANGELOG The choice of person marked for changes was made based on which branch I diff-ed first. The first merge was done using Waldek's branch so most of the changes have his name attached. I'll fix the ones you mention. -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Simon Michael'" Simon Michael -Subject: RE: revision control chaos Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:34:52 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcebN7N6XOKkSeAjRdqmxw85jMrm5AAFl1CQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Simon Michael +Subject: RE: revision control chaos On May 20, 2007 7:37 PM Simon Michael wrote: > @@ -20359,20 +17837,11 @@ Axiom's "30 year horizon" :-) I'll second that! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 20 May 2007 21:47:59 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Literate ASDF -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 May 2007 21:47:59 -0500 -Cc: list - Assume you have linguistic support in Boot to state unambigously what your module [1] defines (`exports') and what it needs (`imports'), then @@ -20436,18 +17905,14 @@ To test the idea, I've implemented a rudimentary extension to Boot. Once I've finished bootstrapping of the whole system, I'll commit the experiment to gdr-sandbox. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: revision control chaos -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 May 2007 21:50:29 -0500 -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: revision control chaos +Cc: Simon Michael -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -20461,18 +17926,12 @@ Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael You haven't found way to clone Axiomatizers yet? ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:19:42 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: RE: revision control chaos -Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:19:42 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcebUrKjsjE0paigTNCii6oesdBxGAAAWixA -Cc: list, 'Simon Michael' Simon Michael +Cc: Simon Michael On May 20, 2007 10:50 PM Gaby wrote: > @@ -20498,34 +17957,21 @@ http://python.net/crew/mwh/hacks/objectthink.html Now if we could only somehow teach "ordinary people" to think Axiomatically, maybe we would get somewhere... ;) -Cheers, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:30:54 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: SVN URL svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/daly axiom is this the right URL? -t - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:34:21 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN URL -Cc: list I think it should be: @@ -20537,23 +17983,11 @@ On 5/20/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/daly axiom > > is this the right URL? -> -> t -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:45:25 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: eh? svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/daly axiom @@ -20573,17 +18007,11 @@ svn commit -m"fix src/regress/REGRESS" Any idea what went wrong? I can't seem to commit to SVN. -t - - - \start +Date: 20 May 2007 22:56:03 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: SVN URL - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 20 May 2007 22:56:03 -0500 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -20593,18 +18021,12 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: Alfredo is exactly right. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 20 May 2007 23:05:02 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: SVN - Tim -- Why do you donwload SVN repo all the time? @@ -20613,15 +18035,10 @@ download all the time. Alos, please use the URL that has axiom.svn.sf.net in it. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:20:31 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: eh? > Why do you download SVN repo all the time? @@ -20636,15 +18053,10 @@ for some not-very-obvious reason this no longer works. Now I do a checkout, change a file, and do a commit. But the commit does nothing and returns immediately. I'm unable to commit to SVN anymore. -t - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:25:15 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: eh? > please use the URL that has axiom.svn.sf.net in it. @@ -20653,15 +18065,10 @@ Ok. I'll try that. The previous URL "sort of" worked because I was able to check in the project using it (modulo several tries). I remember that there was some comment about a new URL so I'll try this. -t - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:28:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: eh? On Sun, 20 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -20684,15 +18091,10 @@ copies of directories -- which is bogus. If that is still the case (which I've not checked yet), then it might be that you're just overwriting SVN data. Just a theory. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:41:50 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: eh? I tried the checkout/change/commit with the new URL. That worked. @@ -20704,15 +18106,10 @@ me fooling around with git behind its back :-) Hopefully the new URL will continue to work. -t - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:48:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: eh? On Sun, 20 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -20734,15 +18131,10 @@ Ah, OK. I truly wish I understood what was going wrong with your working copy :-( --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 01:57:48 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: changes Gaby, @@ -21394,14 +18786,10 @@ basically a changeset. src/interp/interp-proclaims.lisp modify exports src/interp/bookvol5 fix misspelling of clearCmdparts - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 02:19:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: changes On Mon, 21 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -21422,20 +18810,14 @@ build-improvements in line as much as can. They are case preserving, but case INSENSITIVE. yeah, a concept of its own. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:39:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom - <87abvzhs2l.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 05/21/2007 03:40 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -21482,16 +18864,12 @@ program in this or that language. Programming a Turing machine is also a very simple, but not very practical if you your motivations lie in the implementation of mathematics. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:56:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: changes -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > 6) use \providecmd to prevent conflicting cmd names > latex will not allow duplicate definitions of commands unless @@ -21519,16 +18897,11 @@ if there is axiom.sty? happy if *no* pamphlet had to specify additional styles. But for the moment I am quiet. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: Silver -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:20:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Silver > SILVER > @@ -21538,22 +18911,11 @@ Cc: list AFAICS the version in daly branch misses hyper subdirectory. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 May 2007 08:00:57 -0500 -Subject: [build-improvements] Definition of global - variables - - -Hi, +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list +Subject: [build-improvements] Definition of global variables This patchlet fixes translation of Boot definition of global variables. @@ -21814,14 +19176,10 @@ Applid to build-improvements. (PROGN (SETQ |b| (|shoeCompTran| (LIST 'LAMBDA (LIST '|x|) |b|))) - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:06:01 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_69104_31849202.1179752761488" Subject: Two emacs questions ------=_Part_69104_31849202.1179752761488 @@ -21834,26 +19192,13 @@ can I debug my input file? What might be causing it to hang? 2) Is there an emacs mode which includes the usual niceties: syntax highlighting, automatic indentation etc, for writing .input files? -Thanks, -Alasdair - -------=_Part_69104_31849202.1179752761488 - -1)  In using the axiommode.el file by Jay Belanger, Cliff Yapp, and Francois Maltey, it hangs on "M-x run-axiom" when trying to parse my ".axiom.input" file.  From a console, both axiom and AXIOMsys start with no problems - how can I debug my input file?  What might be causing it to hang? -

2)  Is there an emacs mode which includes the usual niceties: syntax highlighting, automatic indentation etc, for writing .input files?

Thanks,
Alasdair

- -------=_Part_69104_31849202.1179752761488-- - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Two emacs questions -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 May 2007 08:13:18 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Two emacs questions -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: | | 2) Is there an emacs mode which includes the usual niceties: syntax @@ -21867,15 +19212,10 @@ it). I'm sure it can be worked out. http://haskell.org/haskell-mode/ --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:55:59 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: changes 1) The axiom.sty is under revision control because it is needed early @@ -21898,15 +19238,10 @@ Subject: changes octonion triangle that I'm drawing with xypic. Eventually I'll make it into a .ps file and we can remove the include. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:58:33 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: changes re: hyper missing @@ -21914,18 +19249,11 @@ re: hyper missing yes, i saw that early this morning. thanks. i'll update the checking as soon as i can. -t - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:04:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Two emacs questions - <878xbigw0h.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1d67a53c0705210636m7bfc6f0agfe94330efe68320@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list On Mon, 21 May 2007, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -21943,16 +19271,11 @@ That is understandable. Two terminals and an Emacs in either text mode or Lisp mode. Pretty primitive, right? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 21 May 2007 16:10:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: changes -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 May 2007 16:10:52 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -21977,21 +19300,11 @@ barrier to write documentation, even if only a bit. I.e., also include amsmath and amsfonts, please! -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:01:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Two emacs questions - <878xbigw0h.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1d67a53c0705210636m7bfc6f0agfe94330efe68320@mail.gmail.com> - - <1d67a53c0705210709j6ab9bbc6lcec0dc8f9a4815cb@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list On Tue, 22 May 2007, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -22011,15 +19324,10 @@ Axiom, no doubt, needs more resources to compensate in those areas. I was hoping that as you're discovering those things, and hopefully get them sorted out, you might consider contribute your findings, etc. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:16:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: changes On 05/21/2007 03:55 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -22068,18 +19376,13 @@ No problem. For now you can use whatever you like. But there will be times when we should give out some better guidelines that can be maintained easily. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Two emacs questions -To: Alasdair McAndrew , list -Cc: ---- Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +--- Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > 1) In using the axiommode.el file by Jay Belanger, Cliff Yapp, and > Francois Maltey, it hangs on "M-x run-axiom" when trying to parse my @@ -22104,23 +19407,10 @@ these days, but the code that does exist is at least somewhat literate (IIRC the pamphlet file is in the sandbox somewhere) so please feel free to fix it up/build on it. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a PS3 game guru. -Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:59:36 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: changes re: hyper missing @@ -22130,18 +19420,11 @@ because the git and svn versions came from the same source tree. the git version properly checked in the hyper directory but svn did not. most everything else got checked in.... how very curious. -t - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alasdair McAndrew'" -Subject: RE: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:58:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Aceaofe7mkHKtx4LSmqZTpu+AuVpNgBIKoKw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: RE: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) On May 20, 2007 1:44 AM Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -22160,7 +19443,7 @@ this is not so bad. > the moment you get started you are inundated with information > about categories, domains and operations. This has enormous > strength, but nonetheless makes Axiom appear bewilderingly -> complicated.=20 +> complicated. Axiom was developed as an advanced research project by people working at was then (circa 1985) the leading edge of the @@ -22200,7 +19483,7 @@ Still, you are right. A better way to get started in Axiom is required. > There are the books, but they are no substitute for good online -> help.=20 +> help. I would like to hear more about your ideas for good online help for Axiom. There is supposed to be a )help command in Axiom but @@ -22237,7 +19520,7 @@ isn't necessary to recompile all of TeXmacs from source, but just this interface program. If you have trouble locating it please let me know. -> 4) It doesn't seem to be particularly cross-platform.=20 +> 4) It doesn't seem to be particularly cross-platform. The new 'build-improvements' branch of the Axiom source is considerably more cross-platform than the older versions. @@ -22252,7 +19535,7 @@ pressure for consensus to exist. This comment from you as an > I must admit that my main interest is in mathematics education, > in which I think a GPL CAS has enormous potential. But at the > moment I think Maxima is ahead of Axiom on all the points I -> have mentioned.=20 +> have mentioned. I would probably choose Sage rather than Maxima since it includes Maxima plus several other open source packages (including Axiom), @@ -22270,26 +19553,13 @@ specifically to research into new computer languages specifically for use in mathematics and it might also apply also to the advanced use of abstract mathematics in physics. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - --Alasdair - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 May 2007 19:51:45 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > 2) The online documentation is very poor. HyperDoc (which is > > itself incomplete) under unix, and some confusing system commands @@ -22305,16 +19575,10 @@ I think one (perhaps easy) way to make the output more intelligible would be to display the description string as well, even without special (LaTeX or html) rendering. -Martin - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 May 2007 20:38:34 +0200 -Cc: list, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom Dear Bill, * @@ -22350,7 +19614,7 @@ TeXmacs] Launching 'tm_axiom' Martin -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > > I only see that TeXmacs' tm_axiom and the one of > > Bill Page start AXIOMsys. @@ -22384,21 +19648,12 @@ Martin > export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH > > Then exit TeXmacs and try it again. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:08:26 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Aceb0LSraEAiXqy8S0G+tF2rn0wf5gACpSzg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: New blood in Axiom (was: Community) On May 21, 2007 1:52 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > > @@ -22411,20 +19666,10 @@ On May 21, 2007 1:52 PM Martin Rubey wrote: +1 Yes. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:46:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Aceb1z5eYu3FC9tMSa2+IEjuEymnHgABzxzg -Cc: list, +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey Subject: RE: TeXmacs+Axiom Martin, @@ -22514,18 +19759,10 @@ control-D should end the session normally. Let me know if this works for you or what error message you get. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:40:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom >> I just installed TeXmacs (version 1.0.6 on kubuntu), but I @@ -22573,15 +19810,10 @@ latex:\red Unexpected end\black5woodpecker:~> I am getting back to the command line prompt. No axiom session started. -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 May 2007 22:57:45 +0200 -Cc: list, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -22602,18 +19834,10 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: I get exactly the same behaviour. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:58:57 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Aceb6DnupVq51h1nRTWrlpssW9gzHAAAhCCw -Cc: list, +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: RE: TeXmacs+Axiom Ralf, @@ -22666,24 +19890,12 @@ What happens when you just type? ~> AXIOMsys -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 May 2007 23:48:29 +0200 -Cc: list, Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, - +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom - ---=-=-= - -Dear all, +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew I've finally got it working. I did the following: @@ -22921,19 +20133,18 @@ w/pS69gUS9pSyCfF+ihw/g/9vdpZkbsAAA== \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:09:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: changes > re: hyper missing ->=20 +> > ok. i've fixed the missing hyper directory on svn. it's rather curious > because the git and svn versions came from the same source tree. the > git version properly checked in the hyper directory but svn did > not. most everything else got checked in.... how very curious. ->=20 +> I updated the svn and tried to build it. Note that I am working on the copy of the SVN tree. The machine is 64-bit Debian. @@ -22944,15 +20155,15 @@ hebisch@iduo7:~/ax-daly/axiom$ ./configure Linux -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D +========================== +========================== += You must set your AXIOM and PATH variables. Type: To build the rest of the system type: -export AXIOM=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux -export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +export AXIOM=/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux +export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH make configure finished. @@ -22960,25 +20171,25 @@ configure finished. Ok, so I proceed as instructed: -hebisch@iduo7:~/ax-daly/axiom$ (export AXIOM=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux; = +hebisch@iduo7:~/ax-daly/axiom$ (export AXIOM=/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux; = export - PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH; make) + PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH; make) 13 making noweb a lot of noise which looks OK. But then the build stops: make[1]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/h/ax-daly/axiom' 11 checking directory structure -12 Environment: PLF=3DLINUXplatform CCF=3D-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D= -_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=3D -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr= -/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a CC=3Dgcc AWK=3Dgawk RANLIB=3Dranlib TOUCH=3Dtouch TAR= -=3Dtar AXIOMXLROOT=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/= -compiler O=3Do BYE=3Dbye LISP=3Dlsp DAASE=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/src/share XLIB= -=3D/usr/X11R6/lib GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-locbfd --dis= -able-dynsysbfd --disable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 --disable-x= -gcl --disable-tkconfig SRCDIRS=3Dbootdir interp= +12 Environment: PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wall -D= +_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF= -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr= +/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a CC=gcc AWK=gawk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=touch TAR= +=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/= +compiler O=o BYE=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/h/ax-daly/axiom/src/share XLIB= +=/usr/X11R6/lib GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-locbfd --dis= +able-dynsysbfd --disable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=256*1024 --disable-x= +gcl --disable-tkconfig SRCDIRS=bootdir interp= dir sharedir algebradir etcdir clefdir docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inp= -utdir PATCH=3Dpatch +utdir PATCH=patch cp: nie mo=BFna utworzy=E6 zwyk=B3ego pliku `/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin= /tex/.svn/README.txt': Brak dost=EApu cp: nie mo=BFna utworzy=E6 zwyk=B3ego pliku `/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/bin= @@ -22993,43 +20204,35 @@ file ...: Permission denied This problem should be very easy to fix, but do you think it makes sense to work solving already solved (by Gaby) problem? - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -Subject: re: changes -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:30:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: changes I wrote: > > re: hyper missing -> >=20 +> > > > ok. i've fixed the missing hyper directory on svn. it's rather curious > > because the git and svn versions came from the same source tree. the > > git version properly checked in the hyper directory but svn did > > not. most everything else got checked in.... how very curious. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > I updated the svn and tried to build it. Note that I am working on > the copy of the SVN tree. The machine is 64-bit Debian. ->=20 +> > I run configure first: > ... -=20 + > cp: nie mo=BFna utworzy=E6 zwyk=B3ego pliku `/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/b= in/tex/.svn/format': Brak dost=EApu ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > The error message is in Polish, translated says: cannot create ordinary > file ...: Permission denied ->=20 +> I tried again, this time I removed all .svn subdirectories from the tree. The build went further, but failed building gcl: @@ -23049,19 +20252,10 @@ make[1]: *** [lspdir] B=B3=B1d 2 make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/h/ax-daly/axiom' make: *** [all] B=B3=B1d 2 - - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:35:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom >> woodpecker:~>type axiom @@ -23137,16 +20331,11 @@ woodpecker:~>AXIOMsys See the first call of AXIOMsys above. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:03:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9qtzu57sr6.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom @@ -23199,18 +20388,13 @@ inside the TeXmacs-Axiom session. No output. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:18:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: changes -Cc: list -I use Axiom via SVK, but you see the corresponding "orig" svn revisions=20 +I use Axiom via SVK, but you see the corresponding "orig" svn revisions below. woodpecker:~>svk log -v /mirror/axiom/branches -r74:73 @@ -23252,76 +20436,70 @@ On 05/22/2007 12:09 AM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: >> git version properly checked in the hyper directory but svn did >> not. most everything else got checked in.... how very curious. >> ->=20 +> > I updated the svn and tried to build it. Note that I am working on > the copy of the SVN tree. The machine is 64-bit Debian. ->=20 +> > I run configure first: ->=20 +> > hebisch@iduo7:~/ax-daly/axiom$ ./configure > Linux ->=20 ->=20 -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D +> +> +> ========================= +========================== +== > You must set your AXIOM and PATH variables. Type: ->=20 +> > To build the rest of the system type: ->=20 -> export AXIOM=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux -> export PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH +> +> export AXIOM=/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux +> export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH > make ->=20 +> > configure finished. ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Ok, so I proceed as instructed: ->=20 -> hebisch@iduo7:~/ax-daly/axiom$ (export AXIOM=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/lin= +> +> hebisch@iduo7:~/ax-daly/axiom$ (export AXIOM=/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/lin= ux; export -> PATH=3D$AXIOM/bin:$PATH; make) +> PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH; make) > 13 making noweb ->=20 +> > a lot of noise which looks OK. But then the build stops: ->=20 +> > make[1]: Wej=B6cie do katalogu `/h/ax-daly/axiom' > 11 checking directory structure -> 12 Environment: PLF=3DLINUXplatform CCF=3D-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wal= -l -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF=3D -L/usr/X11R6/li= -b /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a CC=3Dgcc AWK=3Dgawk RANLIB=3Dranlib TOUCH=3Dto= -uch TAR=3Dtar AXIOMXLROOT=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=3Do BYE= -=3Dbye LISP=3Dlsp DAASE=3D/h/ax-daly/axiom/src/share XLIB=3D/usr/X11R6/li= -b GCLOPTS=3D--enable-vssize=3D65536*2 --enable-locbfd --disable-dynsysbfd= - --disable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=3D256*1024 --disable-xgcl --disabl= -e-tkconfig SRCDIRS=3Dbootdir interpdir sharedir algebradir etcdir clefdir= - docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=3Dpatch +> 12 Environment: PLF=LINUXplatform CCF=-O2 -fno-strength-reduce -Wal= +l -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUXplatform -I/usr/X11/include LDF= -L/usr/X11R6/li= +b /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.a CC=gcc AWK=gawk RANLIB=ranlib TOUCH=to= +uch TAR=tar AXIOMXLROOT=/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux/compiler O=o BYE= +=bye LISP=lsp DAASE=/h/ax-daly/axiom/src/share XLIB=/usr/X11R6/li= +b GCLOPTS=--enable-vssize=65536*2 --enable-locbfd --disable-dynsysbfd= + --disable-statsysbfd --enable-maxpage=256*1024 --disable-xgcl --disabl= +e-tkconfig SRCDIRS=bootdir interpdir sharedir algebradir etcdir clefdir= + docdir graphdir smandir hyperdir inputdir PATCH=patch > cp: nie mo=BFna utworzy=E6 zwyk=B3ego pliku `/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux= /bin/tex/.svn/README.txt': Brak dost=EApu > cp: nie mo=BFna utworzy=E6 zwyk=B3ego pliku `/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux= /bin/tex/.svn/wcprops/axiom.sty.svn-work': Brak dost=EApu > cp: nie mo=BFna utworzy=E6 zwyk=B3ego pliku `/h/ax-daly/axiom/mnt/linux= /bin/tex/.svn/format': Brak dost=EApu ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > The error message is in Polish, translated says: cannot create ordinary= > file ...: Permission denied ->=20 +> > This problem should be very easy to fix, but do you think it makes sens= e > to work solving already solved (by Gaby) problem? ->=20 ->=20 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:40:21 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: .svn copy problem sigh. SVN bites me again. @@ -23344,15 +20522,10 @@ a problem that happens to me so I can't even test it. Please make a diff-Naur change against gold --patch-50 or svn...branches/daly/axiom so we can get it into the next release. -t - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:41:30 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: bookvol1 Ralf said: @@ -23360,16 +20533,11 @@ Ralf said: Please point me to the diff -Naur postings on axiom-developer.org -t - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:21:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: .svn copy problem -Cc: list svn log -v https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvements @@ -23412,15 +20580,10 @@ than a simple "svn merge" would do. > Please make a diff-Naur change against gold --patch-50 or > svn...branches/daly/axiom so we can get it into the next release. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:23:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: bookvol1 I probably make some errors but let me try. @@ -23485,16 +20648,11 @@ Index: src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet %% spadsig gives the standard -> notation for signatures \newcommand{\spadsig}[2]{{\sf #1 $\rightarrow$ #2}} - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:12:36 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Aceb8ceCCqWrE0ZXRf6LraHP6RdOzAAIHB6g -Cc: list, Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: RE: TeXmacs+Axiom @@ -23502,20 +20660,20 @@ On May 21, 2007 2:39 PM Martin Rubey wrote: > .. > I get the same error as Ralf, although AXIOMsys > and axiom certainly are in the path. (and I didn't -> modify tm_axiom either) Note however, that I'm using=20 +> modify tm_axiom either) Note however, that I'm using > wh-sandbox, which has a slightly different banner. > Maybe that's the problem? ->=20 +> > On the console I get: ->=20 +> > martin@rubey-laptop:~$ texmacs --debug-io > TeXmacs] With linked TrueType support > TeXmacs] Launching 'tm_axiom' > [BEGIN]verbatim: ->=20 +> On May 21, 2007 5:48 PM Martin Rubey wrote: ->=20 +> > I've finally got it working. Besides the stuff that you describe below to make tm_axiom @@ -23527,11 +20685,11 @@ are in the PATH, it should just work. I would like to know why this did not work initially for either Ralf or for you. > I did the following: ->=20 -> save the code below (it is a modified tm_axiom.c following=20 +> +> save the code below (it is a modified tm_axiom.c following > the instructions of Andrey Grozin on MathAction) into a > file tm_axiom.c and say ->=20 +> > gcc tm_axiom > @@ -23542,16 +20700,16 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/TeXmacs#msg20051012034957-0500@www.axiom-= dev eloper.org -> as root, modify line 20 of=20 +> as root, modify line 20 of > /usr/share/texmacs/TeXmacs/plugins/axiom/progs to > read ->=20 +> > (:require (url-exists-in-path? "$AXIOM/bin/axiom")) ->=20 +> > and copy tm_axiom to the place where it belongs: ->=20 +> > sudo mv a.out /usr/lib/texmacs/TeXmacs/bin/tm_axiom ->=20 +> > Most likely you will have to modify paths according to > your situation. @@ -23568,7 +20726,7 @@ Does that work for tm_axiom? If so, then maybe that is a good way to vary the behaviour of the Axiom in TeXmacs rather than changing /usr/lib/texmacs/TeXmacs/bin/tm_axiom in the standard distribution. -=20 + > When inserting an Axiom session in TeXmacs, be patient > and wait until HyperDoc appears (maybe a second or so). > If you type something into the prompt before that, @@ -23600,7 +20758,7 @@ document as a repeatable final product, I think it is generally a good idea to use Axiom graphics this way from within TeXmacs rather than in the usual interactive mode. -=20 + > Personally, I prefer emacs, since I use it for reading > mail and svn. But I guess many will prefer texmacs. @@ -23612,23 +20770,16 @@ the output of various computer algebra systems. To do something similar in emacs is a manual process involving cut-and-paste from buffers and running LaTeX. ->=20 +> > Please let me know whether this works for you. ->=20 +> It works for me. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: list Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 04:54:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Lisp portability In my private tree Axiom is nicely working on top of sbcl and clisp. @@ -23680,22 +20831,11 @@ shared library. But AFAICS we will need C interface anyway, so we need to resolve problems of C interface and shared libraries. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:06:44 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom - boundary="----=_Part_75174_24415432.1179803204978" - <02f601c79c16$b22e2290$6900a8c0@asus> - -------=_Part_75174_24415432.1179803204978 I will give this new tm_axiom a go. Although, with Martin, I prefer emacs - I always have an emacs window running (I use LaTeX with the emacs auctex @@ -23830,59 +20970,13 @@ On 5/22/07, Bill Page wrote: > > > > It works for me. :-) -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - -------=_Part_75174_24415432.1179803204978 - -I will give this new tm_axiom a go.  Although, with Martin, I prefer emacs - I always have an emacs window running (I use LaTeX with the emacs auctex mode for all my document preparation), and my ideal interface for axiom would be an emacs mode which produces output as a TeX'ed graphic - such as imaxima does for maxima.  I find TeXmacs slow and a bit clumsy. -

Also, which of emacs or TeXmacs provides better support for spad/aldor programming (syntax highlighting, automatic indentation, parentheses matching and so on)?

-Alasdair

-On 5/22/07, Bill Page <Bill Page> wrote:
-On May 21, 2007 2:39 PM Martin Rubey wrote:
> ..
> I get the same error as Ralf, although AXIOMsys
> and axiom certainly are in the path.  (and I didn't
> modify tm_axiom either) Note however, that I'm using -
> wh-sandbox, which has a slightly different banner.
> Maybe that's the problem?
>
> On the console I get:
>
> martin@rubey-laptop:~$ texmacs --debug-io
> TeXmacs] With linked TrueType support -
> TeXmacs] Launching 'tm_axiom'
> [BEGIN]verbatim:
>

On May 21, 2007 5:48 PM Martin Rubey wrote:
>
> I've finally got it working.

Besides the stuff that you describe below to make tm_axiom -
call axiom instead of AXIOMsys, could you say what you did
first just to get it to work as it should "out of the box"?
Of course just to use Axiom in TeXmacs it should not be
necessary to do any of this. If *both* axiom and AXIOMsys -
are in the PATH, it should just work. I would like to know
why this did not work initially for either Ralf or for you.

> I did the following:
>
> save the code below (it is a modified tm_axiom.c following -
> the instructions of Andrey Grozin on MathAction) into a
> file tm_axiom.c and say
>
>   gcc tm_axiom
>

Ralf, I gave this link to Andrey Grozin post on the Axiom
Wiki in an email earlier today: -

http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/TeXmacs#msg20051012034957-0500@www.axiom-dev
eloper.org -

> as root, modify line 20 of
> /usr/share/texmacs/TeXmacs/plugins/axiom/progs to
> read
>
>   (:require (url-exists-in-path? "$AXIOM/bin/axiom"))
>
> and copy tm_axiom to the place where it belongs: -
>
>   sudo mv a.out /usr/lib/texmacs/TeXmacs/bin/tm_axiom
>
> Most likely you will have to modify paths according to
> your situation.

Yes, the path to tm_axiom is a little different under -
Debian and Kubuntu then for other installations of TeXmacs -
something to do with Debian conventions.

> If you are not root, I guess you can place the files
> into your .TeXmacs directory (try cd .TeXmacs at a shell -
> prompt).
>

Does that work for tm_axiom? If so, then maybe that is
a good way to vary the behaviour of the Axiom in TeXmacs
rather than changing /usr/lib/texmacs/TeXmacs/bin/tm_axiom
in the standard distribution. -

> When inserting an Axiom session in TeXmacs, be patient
> and wait until HyperDoc appears (maybe a second or so).
> If you type something into the prompt before that,
> texmacs will hang.
->

There are other problems concerning using hyperdoc in
TeXmacs, for example running examples and even browsing
the database can (sometimes) interferes with TeXmacs and
communications between TeXmacs and Axiom can be disrupted. -
For that reason if I want to access hyperdoc (which for
me is actually very seldom) I just start a separate Axiom
process. That way there is no possibility for problems
since hyperdoc runs in a different process tree and talks -
to it's own copy of AXIOMsys.

However it makes sense to me to make the modification
suggested by Andrey if the main goal is to have access
to Axiom graphics. In that case it would be best to run
Axiom via the command 'axiom -noht -noclef' in tm_axiom -
to reduce the number of extra processes started. Axiom
graphics still starts a new windows outside of TeXmacs
but at least there are commands one can enter in the
TeXmacs Axiom session that will operate the graphics -
windows remotely and do things like create a postscript
format output file which can then be included in TeXmacs.
Since the usual goal of using TeXmacs is to produce a
document as a repeatable final product, I think it is -
generally a good idea to use Axiom graphics this way
from within TeXmacs rather than in the usual interactive
mode.

> Personally, I prefer emacs, since I use it for reading
> mail and svn.  But I guess many will prefer texmacs. -

I do not think emacs and TeXmacs are really comparable
as an interface to Axiom. TeXmacs is a mathematical
document processor which allows one to directly prepare a
publication quality document containing mathematics and -
the output of various computer algebra systems. To do
something similar in emacs is a manual process involving
cut-and-paste from buffers and running LaTeX.

>
> Please let me know whether this works for you. -
>

It works for me. :-)

Regards,
Bill Page.




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- -------=_Part_75174_24415432.1179803204978-- - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Lisp portability Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:19:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcecHJGmE27fD8dLShqJIF2jLbsfMwAARXSA -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Lisp portability +Cc: Camm Maguire On May 21, 2007 10:55 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -23958,18 +21052,10 @@ such support might be. Camm? +1 Yes, this is very important. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:23:12 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware Hi Martin, @@ -23985,20 +21071,11 @@ out in a previous email, this is a good way to have hyperdoc on windows, until a replacement/portable version is created. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alasdair McAndrew'" -Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:34:43 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcecHmRb5J92qWczQxeXPbV4JYWw3QAAeMMA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom On May 21, 2007 11:07 PM Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -24038,21 +21115,11 @@ do obviously exist some some similar emacs modes for other languages and packages that might be fairly easily adapted to this purpose. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:58:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcecIIxLyuFX4umLR/CDCF7tCU4RSgAAbHMw -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware On May 21, 2007 11:23 PM Alfredo Portes wrote: > @@ -24114,22 +21181,11 @@ Live CD? Have you tried it with Virtual PC? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_PC -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:16:54 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware - <031701c79c25$6c447fe0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev - -Hi Bill, > Let's avoid the use of personal names in reference to branches > in SVN unless the original author of the branch specifically @@ -24168,21 +21224,11 @@ support and just focus on Axiom/LatexWiki/interfaces.... I will try Virtual PC. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:52:50 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware - <031701c79c25$6c447fe0$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev - -Hi Bill, I tried Virtual PC. I still like Vmware better, but that is maybe because I am bias :-). @@ -24198,18 +21244,11 @@ uses the S3 driver which apparently is not a good friend of VPC. :-). Opening a terminal, changing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "s3" to "vesa" and restaring X, fixes the problem. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:53:56 -0700 (PDT) +To: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch From: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Lisp portability -To: Bill Page, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch Cc: Camm Maguire, list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -24312,22 +21351,11 @@ make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sbcl', needed by `do_it.sbcl'. Stop. Sorry if I'm missing something obvious. - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? -Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Alasdair McAndrew Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom -To: Bill Page, - 'Alasdair McAndrew' -Cc: list - --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -24351,23 +21379,10 @@ pamphlets and odd Windows quirks resulted in my pursuing other goals (e.g. cl-web). EMaxima for Axiom would still be a Very Good Thing, based on my experiences with EMaxima - Jay has done a magnificent job. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Bored stiff? Loosen up... -Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -http://games.yahoo.com/games/front - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 08:38:55 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -24382,25 +21397,15 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: THIS IS WONDERFUL! I'll download it today! elunch is on thursday, so if it works I can give it away! -Many many many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" , Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom - <02f601c79c16$b22e2290$6900a8c0@asus> - <1d67a53c0705212006o1949fdcbl248302fd4f18c4cb@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 11:09:00 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew, Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom Dear Alasdair, -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > I will give this new tm_axiom a go. Although, with Martin, I prefer emacs - > I always have an emacs window running (I use LaTeX with the emacs auctex @@ -24425,20 +21430,12 @@ For spad.pamphlet (i.e., LaTeX) editing, mmm mode is a wonderful thing. If you install ALLPROSE, you'll have all these things automatically set up, I think that's the easiest way to do it. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <9qtzu57sr6.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4652252A.4070109@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 11:14:49 +0200 -Cc: list, Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, - +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -24464,17 +21461,12 @@ reads .axiom.input) Note that I did not use any )set output commands in texmacs. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp portability -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:44:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Lisp portability +Cc: Camm Maguire CY wrote: > --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -24603,20 +21595,11 @@ Current SVN should not require this. There is good chance that sbcl from current SVN will bootstrap algebra, but I still have to commit many fixes. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 04:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Martin Rubey, Alasdair McAndrew Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom -To: Martin Rubey, - Alasdair McAndrew -Cc: list - --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -24768,25 +21751,11 @@ Right now, that's pretty much it. It's pretty incomplete, unfortunately :-(. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:44:10 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcecLQ2pJLr2O5mmQR2i6z4Wt+BzWwAOUDmQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: RE: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware On May 22, 2007 12:53 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: > ... @@ -24801,18 +21770,10 @@ On May 22, 2007 12:53 AM Alfredo Portes wrote: Great. I'll try that. Thank you! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 13:45:46 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: axiom-mode Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -24866,21 +21827,15 @@ goes: In any case, I'll give it a try. Many thanks, -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:49:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: TeXmacs+Axiom - <9qejl9uswj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list -> What concerns programming, since I prefer Aldor to SPAD, I am quite happy with -> Ralf's (? I think) aldor.el mode, which comes bundled with ALLPROSE. +> What concerns programming, since I prefer Aldor to SPAD, I am quite +> happy with Ralf's (? I think) aldor.el mode, which comes bundled +> with ALLPROSE. The aldor mode can also be used without ALLPROSE. Just download the literate program from @@ -24901,26 +21856,19 @@ instead of the +++ in front of every line. Ralf -> For spad.pamphlet (i.e., LaTeX) editing, mmm mode is a wonderful thing. If you -> install ALLPROSE, you'll have all these things automatically set up, I think -> that's the easiest way to do it. -> +> For spad.pamphlet (i.e., LaTeX) editing, mmm mode is a wonderful +> thing. If you install ALLPROSE, you'll have all these things +> automatically set up, I think that's the easiest way to do it. > Martin Thank you Martin for advertisment. ;-) -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:56:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9qwsz1gqye.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, - Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew On 05/22/2007 11:14 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -24961,17 +21909,11 @@ verbatim:channel:promptlatex:\red$\rightarrow$\ verbatim:1+2 channel:promptlatex:\red$\rightarrow$\ verbatim:4 channel:promptlatex:\red$\rightarrow$\ verbatim: -Ralf - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Subject: re: axiom-mode - <9qzm3x3wut.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 13:58:12 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: axiom-mode OK, I tried it. I really love C-a c. That's superb! @@ -24997,23 +21939,12 @@ number has two digits. Still, it looks like great stuff! Do you think you could add that painting idea and/or sending input to the axiom process? -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <9qtzu57sr6.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4652252A.4070109@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - <9qwsz1gqye.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4652DA68.9050208@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 14:07:57 +0200 -Cc: list, Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, - +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: TeXmacs+Axiom +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -25026,17 +21957,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: I'm sorry, but I don't have any idea anymore. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 07:45:16 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 07:45:16 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -25065,16 +21990,12 @@ libraries with Axiom. Yes, I fully agree. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 07:54:17 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 07:54:17 -0500 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -25135,19 +22056,12 @@ Agreed. Oh, I thought it was Python :-) :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Lisp portability Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:16 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AceccDae4o6C1NY2Qdudf0FpI9a0CQABAMsg -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Lisp portability +Cc: Camm Maguire On May 22, 2007 8:54 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -25166,20 +22080,12 @@ major problem. I can not believe that there are/were people on this email list that touted the portablity of Lisp as a reason for downgrading Axiom code to that level! -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Re: axiom-mode - +Cc: list --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -25264,23 +22170,11 @@ fixed, but I was under the impression there was very little interest in going further with this work and it did what I needed ;-). That can be revisited if we want to do more with it. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:39:43 -0700 (PDT) +To: Martin Rubey From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: axiom-mode -To: Martin Rubey, list -Cc: --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -25327,21 +22221,12 @@ it's likely I'm doing a lot of this the Wrong Way :-(. Are there any Emacs gurus on the list who would be interested enough to take over the project? -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:43:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Lisp portability -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On Tue, 22 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -25371,20 +22256,13 @@ If you restrict your world sufficiently enough and you don't care about the structure of the code you're working on, its maintainability, and the general question of Axiom users, Lisp is not a problem. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:44:46 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:44:46 -0500 - "Tue\, 22 May 2007 09\:26\:16 -0400") -Cc: - -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On May 22, 2007 8:54 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: >> ... >> Waldek wrote: @@ -25405,20 +22283,15 @@ Lisp. The rant above was about Lisp's non-ability to use system calls, while Perl has that ability. Wouldn't systems calls in a piece of code tend to make it non-portable? -Jay - - - \start -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com -Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 22 May 2007 08:51:35 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: Lisp portability -Jay Belanger writes: +Jay Belanger writes: -| "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +| Bill Page writes: | > On May 22, 2007 8:54 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | >> ... | >> Waldek wrote: @@ -25441,19 +22314,12 @@ Jay Belanger writes: The point was more subttle than that. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Subject: RE: Lisp portability -To: Bill Page, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis, - 'Waldek Hebisch' Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list - +Cc: Camm Maguire --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -25476,25 +22342,11 @@ pseudo-webserver/web-browser type connection. (Many use more primative means, unfortunately...) Can you recommend a good introduction into the various types of sockets/select? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ - - - \start +Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:51:53 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Jay Belanger - <87odkdc6fs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:51:53 -0500 - of "22 May 2007 08\:51\:35 -0500") -Cc: - Gabriel Dos Reis writes: ... @@ -25502,17 +22354,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: Thanks; that's helpful. -Jay - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Lisp portability -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, list -Cc: - If I understand correctly, the issue is that various Lisp implementations do not provide either a common interface to operating @@ -25561,7 +22407,7 @@ developed but if there is more interest again it could motivate me to push ahead. Did EAxiom match how you were wanting to interact with Axiom or are existing solutions sufficient? ---- Jay Belanger wrote: +--- Jay Belanger wrote: > > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -25569,29 +22415,11 @@ Axiom or are existing solutions sufficient? > > The point was more subttle than that. > > Thanks; that's helpful. -> -> Jay -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:32:23 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: lisp portability This code has moved from MAClisp and VMLisp to several "evolving" @@ -25618,14 +22446,12 @@ to do with your understanding of lisp than a language flaw. t "A poor workman blames his tools" - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:33:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: RE: Lisp portability -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On Tue, 22 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -25648,16 +22474,11 @@ I think I've documented that. In the file cfuns-c.c I mentioned above, I've put a reference material on the topic. See the comment above the axiom_has_write_access function. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 10:36:41 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CHANGELOG -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 10:36:41 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -25666,31 +22487,21 @@ Tim Daly writes: the order in which you diff-ed should have nothing to do with that. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:57:48 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: CHANGELOG > the order in which you diff-ed should have nothing to do with that. true. but it did. when i get a chance i'll fix it, per your request. -t - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 11:20:31 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 11:20:31 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -25722,16 +22533,11 @@ C and C++ standards. How do you qualify the one who refuses to listen and understand what people are reporting as the problem? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 18:45:53 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: axiom-mode -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 May 2007 18:45:53 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -25811,19 +22617,11 @@ but for the moment, it's more important to make life with axiom more comfy. but I am! Only, I think my abilities would be rather badly employed by trying to mess with emacs modes. -Again, many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: lisp portability -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:57:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: lisp portability > The distance from CLtL1 to ANSI is trivially small. > The actual estimated lisp work effort is about a man-week, maybe two. @@ -25850,21 +22648,11 @@ short term) is to keep C parts. Good workman knows which tool to use to solve problem. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Subject: re: axiom-mode - <9qbqgc6c3i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 19:10:28 +0200 -Cc: - -Dear CY, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: axiom-mode just another detail: C-a c is a really bad choice for putting input and output to the kill ring, since it conflicts with C-a (beginning of line). @@ -25880,17 +22668,11 @@ With arg, repeat; negative arg -N means kill back to Nth start of sentence. (an input output block could be seen as a "sentence", don't you think?) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: axiom-mode To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list +Subject: re: axiom-mode --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -25953,23 +22735,11 @@ OK, if there is interest I'll take a stab at it. I take it you are interested mainly in being able to send lines and highlight output, and not so much the LaTeX session integration of EMaxima? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: axiom-mode -To: Martin Rubey, list -Cc: --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -26001,24 +22771,11 @@ either, since the operation is a copy and not a removal. What about Ctrl-Shift-a to get into Axiom commands? Does that conflict with anything? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Finding fabulous fares is fun. -Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 19:47:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: axiom-mode -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 May 2007 19:47:52 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -26081,22 +22838,10 @@ of mine, too.) > interested mainly in being able to send lines and highlight output, and not > so much the LaTeX session integration of EMaxima? -YES! Would be just wonderful! - -Good luck, - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:48:55 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page Subject: lisp portability Gaby, @@ -26144,11 +22889,6 @@ to use more portable code. Personally, I'd go with platform-specific C code for now and then think about a redesign. - - - - - > How do you qualify the one who refuses to listen and understand what > people are reporting as the problem? @@ -26161,13 +22901,8 @@ see Bill's comment about "the problem"? He said: so I'm not sure that you listened to that. - - - - and Bill, - > ...I can not believe that there are/were people > on this email list that touted the portability of Lisp as > a reason for downgrading Axiom code to that level! @@ -26187,17 +22922,11 @@ and lisp is not? If this is your point, please try to state it without attacking lisp. And please try to explain why file system handling and socket handling is any more portable in boot. - -t - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 20:12:56 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: axiom-mode -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 22 May 2007 20:12:56 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -26229,16 +22958,10 @@ transient-mark-mode. but since M-w is remains useful, I wouldn't redefine it. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:49:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp portability On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -26248,18 +22971,11 @@ On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: everybody where? - --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp, list -Subject: re: axiom-mode - <9q8xbghhrr.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 20:51:38 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: re: axiom-mode Martin Rubey writes: @@ -26334,16 +23050,10 @@ Apart from this, I seem to have a problem with overlays: It seems that I cannot color something blue that was previously red? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:52:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp portability On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -26353,19 +23063,14 @@ On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: The amount of written Lisp has nothing to do with the porability of ANSI Lisp features and its usability. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lisp portability -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:52:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: Lisp portability > -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > On May 22, 2007 8:54 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > >> ... > >> Waldek wrote: @@ -26406,17 +23111,10 @@ around lack of interface libraries. Note also context: there were proposals to replace C code supporting sockets and called via gcl FFI by pure Lisp solution... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:55:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp portability On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -26428,20 +23126,14 @@ You're missing the point. Even on Unix Lisp implementations fail to agree on the same set of interface. The variability there is far greater than what you get in the C world. Check out on POSIX. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:58:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp portability On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: - | The claim that C++ is "standard" is as weak or strong as the claim | that ANSI is standard. No vendor complies 100% because opinions | vary. @@ -26456,15 +23148,10 @@ you need a useful standard. Those were the points. There are many; but none that poses similar issues as those encountered with the various Lisp implementations. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp portability On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -26488,15 +23175,10 @@ it. Some have the conditionals; most don't. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:04:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: lisp portability On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -26511,16 +23193,11 @@ On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: Over a decade, I've seen people believe that they write "standard" C++ under Microsoft Visual C++. Until they actually get to write standard C++. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: lisp portability To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly -Cc: list +Subject: re: lisp portability --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -26536,23 +23213,11 @@ Gaby, are you advocating a complete abandonment of Lisp in favor of implementing Boot and SPAD in another language? Or abandoning the attempt to make sockets work through Lisp? -CY - - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:21:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: lisp portability -Cc: list On Tue, 22 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -26594,16 +23259,11 @@ Here is what I'm suggesting: FOAM). In particular, have the algebra files depend only on the Axiom Virtual Machine instruction set. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 14:22:51 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 14:22:51 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -26614,17 +23274,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Which is a backward move. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:23:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: axiom-mode - <9qr6p8ohg7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list I don't know whether this is relevant, but in my aldor-mode I define a separate key binding. @@ -26643,17 +23297,11 @@ http://www.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/people/hemmecke/aldor/emacs.html Maybe that helps you a bit further. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:32:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: lisp portability - -Cc: list > * For Axiom runtime system: Think of Lisp as just on assembly language Axiom > can be compile to. Define a Virtual Machine for Axiom (yes, I klnow of @@ -26662,17 +23310,11 @@ Cc: list I support especially this point. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 14:48:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: lisp portability - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 14:48:02 -0500 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -26708,18 +23350,11 @@ proclamation information to be used by those Lisp compilers that care -- CLISP does not care, SBCL check type declarations and use them for optimization; GCL use them for optimization; etc. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:51:19 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: axiom-mode -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:51:19 -0500 - "Tue\, 22 May 2007 10\:20\:50 -0700 \(PDT\)") -Cc: list - Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -26743,18 +23378,11 @@ I was looking through previous messages, and I don't know what the `paint' is supposed to do. Is `b' supposed to change the character after point to blue, for example? Why? -Jay - - - \start +Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:56:27 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Lisp portability -From: Jay Belanger -Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:56:27 -0500 - "Tue\, 22 May 2007 08\:26\:06 -0700 \(PDT\)") -Cc: list - Cliff Yapp writes: ... @@ -26770,19 +23398,13 @@ I would, but I don't see myself having the time in the near future. Right now, I just use your axiom-mode to run Axiom in a buffer; I haven't done anything fancier than that in a while. -Jay - - - \start -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com -Subject: re: axiom-mode - <87wsz0d4co.fsf@gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 May 2007 22:24:28 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: re: axiom-mode -Jay Belanger writes: +Jay Belanger writes: > Well, you could have a key to change the keymap: M-up changes from > axiom-mode-map to axiom-paint-map, for example. Or bind keys to functions @@ -26801,16 +23423,10 @@ people watching. In both cases, this paint functionality might help. I'm currently trying to find out whether I could do without special keymaps, as detailed in my previous mail. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:55:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Boot, Virtual Machine On Tue, 22 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -26850,20 +23466,11 @@ yes, but the Axiom run time system does not need full Lisp. In fact, the algebra can be compiled to something more efficient that the use of Lisp as done. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:11:20 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: axiom-mode -From: Jay Belanger - <9q8xbghhrr.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q646kwv2d.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:11:20 -0500 - of "22 May 2007 20\:51\:38 +0200") -Cc: list - Martin Rubey writes: ... @@ -26954,17 +23561,11 @@ overlays with that property before putting on a new one; something like: I noticed that overlays can be used to give different regions of text different keymaps, by the way. -Jay - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: lisp portability To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: re: lisp portability --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Here is what I'm suggesting: @@ -27037,21 +23638,11 @@ Regardless, I look forward to a fully functional Axiom platform that will let the mathematical people work in comfort - however it is achieved. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:06:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: lisp portability -Cc: list On Tue, 22 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -27128,22 +23719,15 @@ the implementation. JVM is the specification; it has many implementations I do hope that we would have a single Axiom Virtual Machine, and many implementations around. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com -Subject: re: axiom-mode - <9q8xbghhrr.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q646kwv2d.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <878xbgpnrb.fsf@gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 May 2007 00:41:11 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: re: axiom-mode Dear Jay, -Jay Belanger writes: +Jay Belanger writes: > Martin Rubey writes: > ... @@ -27247,17 +23831,11 @@ user to change the face, or at least the color? (define-key axiom-mode-map [\S-left] 'axiom-paint-previous-char) (define-key axiom-mode-map [\S-right] 'axiom-paint-next-char) - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 19:01:08 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 22 May 2007 19:01:08 -0400 -Cc: list - Greetings all, @@ -27291,20 +23869,12 @@ Lisp. My hope is that this means the equivalence of the two macro systems is easy to demonstrate. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:00:03 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: -Subject: Unnamed repository; +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Unnamed repository + edit this file to name it for gitweb.: Changes to 'master' test | 1 - @@ -27317,15 +23887,12 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 04:05:39 2007 -0400 test remote deletion with git - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:54:25 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: -Subject: Unnamed repository; +Subject: Unnamed repository + edit this file to name it for gitweb.: Changes to 'master' test | 1 + @@ -27338,15 +23905,12 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 03:59:44 2007 -0400 test remote push - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:00:03 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Unnamed repository; + edit this file to name it for gitweb.: Changes to 'refs/remotes/origin/master' @@ -27360,14 +23924,10 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 03:59:44 2007 -0400 test remote push - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:27:47 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' test | 1 + @@ -27380,15 +23940,12 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 04:30:33 2007 -0400 try xinetd - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:00:03 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Unnamed repository; + edit this file to name it for gitweb.: Changes to 'refs/remotes/origin/HEAD' @@ -27402,15 +23959,12 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 03:59:44 2007 -0400 test remote push - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:27:47 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to + 'refs/remotes/origin/HEAD' test | 1 - @@ -27423,15 +23977,12 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 04:05:39 2007 -0400 test remote deletion with git - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:27:48 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to + 'refs/remotes/origin/master' test | 1 - @@ -27444,15 +23995,12 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 04:05:39 2007 -0400 test remote deletion with git - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:34:52 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to + 'refs/remotes/origin/HEAD' test | 1 + @@ -27465,14 +24013,10 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 04:30:33 2007 -0400 try xinetd - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:34:52 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' test | 1 - @@ -27491,14 +24035,10 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 06:09:15 2007 -0400 mybranch test - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:50:37 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' CHANGELOG | 3 + @@ -27525,14 +24065,10 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 23:21:45 2007 -0400 fix the REGRESS to be a script - - - \start Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:12:29 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' CHANGELOG | 1192 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ @@ -27545,16 +24081,11 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 22:25:16 2007 -0400 fix CHANGELOG - - - \start Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:34:52 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: -Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to - 'refs/remotes/origin/master' +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'refs/remotes/origin/master' test | 1 + 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) @@ -27566,14 +24097,10 @@ Date: Fri Apr 27 04:30:33 2007 -0400 try xinetd - - - \start Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:57:40 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' CHANGELOG | 1 + @@ -27587,14 +24114,10 @@ Date: Sat Apr 28 17:44:23 2007 -0400 src/doc/book.pamphlet fix typos (but #89) - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:38:12 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' CHANGELOG | 833 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------------ @@ -27607,16 +24130,11 @@ Date: Sun Apr 29 09:04:36 2007 -0400 CHANGELOG move wxh entries to gdr where requested - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 20:21:56 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: git@axiom-developer.org Subject: Re: Unnamed repository; - edit this file to name it for gitweb.: Changes to 'master' -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 20:21:56 -0500 -Cc: list git@axiom-developer.org writes: @@ -27634,23 +24152,11 @@ Tim, please could you set up the commit message so that they go to axiom-commit@sf.net? That would be greatly helfpul in linking with other commit messages. -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:23:11 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: axiom-mode -From: Jay Belanger - <9q8xbghhrr.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q646kwv2d.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <878xbgpnrb.fsf@gmail.com> - <9qirakeb20.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:23:11 -0500 - of "23 May 2007 00\:41\:11 +0200") -Cc: list - Martin Rubey writes: ... @@ -27702,18 +24208,11 @@ could be > (overlay-put over 'face > (get axiom-output-paint 'face-defface-spec)))) -Jay - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 20:42:33 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 22 May 2007 20:42:33 -0500 -Cc: list Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -27779,19 +24278,11 @@ the above scheme? Eventually, I'll document Boot from user perspective and improve the Boot translator in a way that helps people use it with confidence. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:00:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: @@ -27803,19 +24294,11 @@ Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis: I would be forever grateful for such an large contribution to Axiom! (-: And the sooner, the more grateful I will be... :-) -Thanks, Gaby. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 04:24:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -27890,23 +24373,11 @@ perform local code transformations which otherwise require changes to the compiler. Even if you can change compiler working at one level is easier. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 22 May 2007 22:51:18 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 22 May 2007 22:51:18 -0400 -Cc: list - Gaby, @@ -27963,25 +24434,13 @@ concept of Lisp macros at any level. Well, there may very well be a few examples in the *.lisp.pamplet files. -> -> -- Gaby - -Sincerley, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:54:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Alasdair McAndrew - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Axiom tutorial -Quoting Alasdair McAndrew : +Quoting Alasdair McAndrew: > In a recent email to me, Bill Page claimed: >> The last commercial version of Axiom included a very nice tutorial @@ -28026,15 +24485,10 @@ See also: http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/axiom/book-axiom-intro.tm http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/axiom/book-axiom-intro.pdf -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 05:15:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: clisp and sbcl I commited next batch of fixes. As of revision 563 algebra in @@ -28046,21 +24500,11 @@ so some tests fail. If you configure Hyperdoc build may hang trying to generate .pht pages (this is due to missing sockets). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:47:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <87myzw6ymx.fsf@lattice.localhost> -Cc: list On Tue, 22 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -28129,42 +24573,21 @@ my statement is based on the actual things in that directory. Yes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:50:26 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_782_17275981.1179892226909" Subject: HyperDoc appearance? -------=_Part_782_17275981.1179892226909 - -Hi, - Is there any easy way of changing the HyperDoc appearance: size and position of windows and fonts, widgets used, etc? I can change some things by modifying X resources, but not all. -Thanks, -Alasdair - -------=_Part_782_17275981.1179892226909 - -Hi,

Is there any easy way of changing the HyperDoc appearance: size and position of windows and fonts, widgets used, etc?  I can change some things by modifying X resources, but not all.

Thanks,
Alasdair
- -------=_Part_782_17275981.1179892226909-- - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:52:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine -Cc: list On Wed, 23 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28258,17 +24681,11 @@ there for those who think they need them. So, I don't think I would put special optimization in the compiler. When I said "clean up", it is in term of the readability. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Waldek Hebisch, list -Cc: - --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -28427,19 +24844,10 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cyapp/mathtoplevel/axiomtoplevel/testwork/wh-sandbox/src' make: *** [all-src] Error 2 - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly, list -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Should we update the AxiomSources page? Tim, in the interests of simplicity can we reorganize the AxiomSources @@ -28462,22 +24870,11 @@ CY (Incidently, is the 2005 tarball also the latest Gold release? If not, we should probably fix that...) - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:06:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl > --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -28516,26 +24913,16 @@ this comes from interp-proclaims.lisp Again the same. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl Whoops, note to self - read directions. Sorry. Retrying now. -CY - - --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -28577,29 +24964,12 @@ CY > > The following restarts are available: > > Again the same. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? -Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:24:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Cliff, @@ -28655,20 +25025,11 @@ Quoting Cliff Yapp: > [stuff] .. - - \start +Date: 23 May 2007 00:38:03 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87myzw6ymx.fsf@lattice.localhost> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 23 May 2007 00:38:03 -0400 -Cc: list - Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > On Tue, 22 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -28740,19 +25101,11 @@ could view Axiom as a Lisp program. I understand that the majority of code is not explicitly Lisp. I thought your statements were based on subtle points which I missed. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:41:20 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com +To: Jay Belanger Subject: re: axiom-mode - <878xbgpnrb.fsf@gmail.com> -Cc: list Jay Belanger wrote: @@ -28784,18 +25137,11 @@ Does anyone have a nice complex axiom startup input file I can try in order to see if the crash due to processing it is repeatable? I've never used one myself. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl To: Bill Page -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -28837,24 +25183,11 @@ merge enough make changes to be able to try building on sbcl (even though we know it will flop) and then the source code changes that make it work? -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:07:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -28873,19 +25206,13 @@ have similar commands. Consider svn status svn revert ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: HyperDoc appearance? -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 May 2007 08:10:13 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: HyperDoc appearance? -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > Is there any easy way of changing the HyperDoc appearance: size and position > of windows and fonts, widgets used, etc? @@ -28898,17 +25225,11 @@ it to be. And better scrollbars would also be nice... Oh, so what can you do? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:16:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Should we update the AxiomSources page? -Cc: list Cliff, @@ -28942,28 +25263,19 @@ On 05/23/2007 06:05 AM, C Y wrote: > (Incidently, is the 2005 tarball also the latest Gold release? If not, > we should probably fix that...) - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 05:50:36 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: business trip I'll be away for the rest of the week with the usual spotty connectivity. -Tim - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 04:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Should we update the AxiomSources page? To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - I tried, but I think the links in the cvs/svn/etc. commands are triggering the security system. No good way around that, as those @@ -29016,28 +25328,12 @@ CY > > (Incidently, is the 2005 tarball also the latest Gold release? If > not, > > we should probably fix that...) -> - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:14:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <87myzw6ymx.fsf@lattice.localhost> - - <87irak6tp0.fsf@lattice.localhost> -Cc: list On Tue, 23 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -29047,19 +25343,11 @@ On Tue, 23 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: What would make you believe that you don't have the same equivalence in Boot? - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:34:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Should we update the AxiomSources page? - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -29079,17 +25367,12 @@ can edit the page however you wish. Please send me by private email your preferred user id and an initial password (change it later if you wish) and I can create your account. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: axiom-dev , axiom-mail -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 May 2007 15:35:26 +0200 -Cc: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew --=-=-= @@ -29510,14 +25793,10 @@ gYdr7XkFe87jssI6PlC+iyaGB4zYZk96014xdmlwG8qLplhFn8zZAXbiOM3pKyIoqIYUKGPXP/0/ lIEXzdnFAAA= --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:39:42 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_3986_10453830.1179927582971" Subject: Summing over a list ------=_Part_3986_10453830.1179927582971 @@ -29537,27 +25816,12 @@ sum(z.i*w.i,i=1..6) work? I mean, sum(i^2,i=1..6) is fine. -Thanks, -Alasdair - -------=_Part_3986_10453830.1179927582971 - -Given two lists,for example:

z:=[1,2,3,4,5,6]
w:=[1,0,0,1,1,1]

it seems that the sum of the pairwise product is obtained by

reduce(+,[z.i*w.i for i in 1..6])

which is all very well.  But why doesn't -

sum(z.i*w.i,i=1..6)

work?  I mean, sum(i^2,i=1..6) is fine.

Thanks,
Alasdair
- -------=_Part_3986_10453830.1179927582971-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:50:52 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_4074_16806018.1179928252051" Subject: Changing a variable type? -------=_Part_4074_16806018.1179928252051 - In experimenting with the Chor-Rivest knapsack cryptosystem, I have the problem of adding two polynomials: one is the defining polynomial of the field, and the other is a field element. @@ -29574,30 +25838,11 @@ produces the error which I don't understand. What I need to do is to force u to be treated as an "ordinary" polynomial, rather than as a field element... --Alasdair - -------=_Part_4074_16806018.1179928252051 - -In experimenting with the Chor-Rivest knapsack cryptosystem, I have the problem of adding two polynomials: one is the defining polynomial of the field, and the other is a field element.

But the command

definingPolynomial()$F+u -

produces the error

 >> Error detected within library code:
   coerce: element doesn't belong to smaller field

which I don't understand.  What I need to do is to force u to be treated as an "ordinary" polynomial, rather than as a field element... -

-Alasdair
- -------=_Part_4074_16806018.1179928252051-- - - - \start +Date: 23 May 2007 09:54:59 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87myzw6ymx.fsf@lattice.localhost> - - <87irak6tp0.fsf@lattice.localhost> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 May 2007 09:54:59 -0500 -Cc: list Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -29613,16 +25858,11 @@ converted, no additional strength of Lisp was used. Now, if the contest is show me the more powerful language, then I believe we are alking of something else. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:15:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine > Stephen Wilson writes: > @@ -29647,21 +25887,13 @@ old Boot and Shoe were mangling them. Most of limitations affecting practical code is rather silly and we should simply remove them. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Martin Rubey, - axiom-dev -Cc: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. - --- Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear all, @@ -29789,19 +26021,6 @@ how to make the Emacs behavior more robust. Personally I'd be more interested in using LTK or McCLIM to make exactly what we need, but that's a ways off - for now, it's Emacs or nothing :-/. -Thanks for your work Martin! - -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:40:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -29825,16 +26044,12 @@ I don't necessary go into great depth into every program generated emails. Please, explicitly list those you know of, with examples when appropriate. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 May 2007 17:44:37 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew --=-=-= @@ -30165,16 +26380,12 @@ nIGxobyR3RkCzO5M8LRWWFVL7RF7lAsbqrBw2bItic/DwLsAXI2PJCdzWa0eHynfRBPDA4Zssyu9 aa8YvDS4YOVZUyyiT6bsATtxnOf0FREUVEMOlLHrX/4v3Kv+L3jGAAA= --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:47:21 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. - <9qzm3vv922.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev , Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew On 05/23/2007 05:44 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Below is the next version. It colors output green. @@ -30183,23 +26394,15 @@ What about putting the version of axiom.el.pamphlet on the wiki and announce a link? Or even put it into the Axiom SVN archive at sourceforge? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:59:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. - <46547019.6060902@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, axiom-dev +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: - > What about putting the version of axiom.el.paphlet on the > wiki and announce a link? > Or even put it into the Axiom SVN archive at sourceforge? @@ -30218,19 +26421,11 @@ on the Axiom Wiki. This allows the literate program to be in both presented in pdf/dvi and in src format with just one link. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch,list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:18:16 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch,list +Subject: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability Greetings, and thanks for including me in this thread. Unfortunately, axiom-developer mail is still not getting through my ISP for some @@ -31046,22 +27241,12 @@ obsolete the plt.c mechanism, which appears fragile and is currently broken on mips for example. But the implications for lisp extensions appear quite attractive. -Take care, - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:05:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. - <20070523125940.w0zoh2ajay8sgs08@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, axiom-dev +Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew On 05/23/2007 06:59 PM, Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -31089,50 +27274,32 @@ really like to see that file documented. I think the name is not so utterly important, since it can be renamed later if some day we agree on another naming of directories. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:08:31 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability -Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:08:31 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Dear Camm, -Great! Many thanks for working on the issue of calling shared lib functio= -ns +Great! Many thanks for working on the issue of calling shared lib functions from gcl. I have struggled some time ago with this issue, with moderate success. -Actually, I tried to call a shared lib function from Aldor/Axiom via gcl.= - +Actually, I tried to call a shared lib function from Aldor/Axiom via gcl. -My trails were based und the gcl-loader package, which looks quite simila= -r +My trails were based und the gcl-loader package, which looks quite similar to your way of importing and calling C libs. How can I use your functions (BTW I am FreeBSD user - unfortunately the -ports tree offers only 2.6.7). Yet I had no luck (and little time) to use= - a +ports tree offers only 2.6.7). Yet I had no luck (and little time) to use a more current version of gcl. Actually the main problem of calling external C functions was to pass variables from and to gcl. As of gsl (gnu scientific library), there are -numerous variations - int, float, double, pointers to any of them, arrays= -, +numerous variations - int, float, double, pointers to any of them, arrays, multi dimensional array, ... Can you assist me with defining how to use all of these types properly? -Many thanks - -Gernot - - - - - Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings, and thanks for including me in this thread. Unfortunately, @@ -31266,15 +27433,15 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > #:G2311))))) > (DECLARE ((INTEGER 0 3) #:G2306)) > (UNWIND-PROTECT -> (DO () ((=3D #:G2306 0)) +> (DO () ((= #:G2306 0)) > (LET ((#:G2309 (SELECT-READ #:G2301 -1))) > (DECLARE ((INTEGER 0 3) #:G2309)) > (DO ((#:G2299 0 (1+ #:G2299)) (#:G2307 1 (ASH #:G2307 1)) > (#:G2308 #:G2301 (CDR #:G2308))) -> ((=3D #:G2299 2) (SETQ #:G2306 (LOGANDC2 #:G2306 #:G2309)= +> ((= #:G2299 2) (SETQ #:G2306 (LOGANDC2 #:G2306 #:G2309)= )) > (DECLARE ((INTEGER 0 2) #:G2299) ((INTEGER 1 4) #:G2307)) -> (IF (/=3D 0 (LOGAND #:G2307 #:G2309)) +> (IF (/= 0 (LOGAND #:G2307 #:G2309)) > (PROGN > (LET ((#:G2300 (READ-POINTER-OBJECT (CAR #:G2308)))) > (LET ((#:G2313 #:G2299)) @@ -31317,10 +27484,10 @@ es > the precise interface, but you can see the idea here. Comments are > marked with ***: > -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D +> ========================= +========================== +========================== +=== > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.7.0 CLtL1 May 22 2007 16:39:58 > Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp,pargcl), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl) > Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (XGCL READLINE BFD UNEXE= @@ -31528,8 +27695,8 @@ ne double > ;; Compiling /tmp/dl2.l. > ;; End of Pass 1. > ;; End of Pass 2. -> ;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=3D0 (No runtime error checking), Space=3D0, = -Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) +> ;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0, = +Speed=3, (Debug quality ignored) > ;; Finished compiling /tmp/dl2.o. > #P"/tmp/dl2.o" > NIL @@ -31581,8 +27748,8 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > ;; Compiling /tmp/gazonk_27499_0.lsp. > ;; End of Pass 1. > ;; End of Pass 2. -> ;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=3D0 (No runtime error checking), Space=3D0, = -Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) +> ;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0, = +Speed=3, (Debug quality ignored) > ;; Finished compiling /tmp/gazonk_27499_0.o. > > #include "gazonk_27499_0.h" @@ -31595,13 +27762,13 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > {=09 VMB1 VMS1 VMV1 > =09goto TTL; > TTL:; ;;**** fast link C call to generic interface -> =09{object V3 =3D (/* DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE */(*LnkLI1)(((object)VV[0]),(= +> =09{object V3 = (/* DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE */(*LnkLI1)(((object)VV[0]),(= V2)));VMR1 > =09(V3);} > =09return Cnil; > } > static object LnkTLI1(object first,...){object V1;va_list ap;va_start(= -ap,first);V1=3D(object )call_proc_new(((object)VV[1]),0,0,(void **)(void = +ap,first);V1=(object )call_proc_new(((object)VV[1]),0,0,(void **)(void = *)&LnkLI1,2,first,ap);va_end(ap);return V1;} /* DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE */ > #(#(log DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE > (%INIT @@ -31619,13 +27786,13 @@ TE1-=18 > #define VMV1 > #define VMR1(VMT1) return(VMT1); > #define VM1 0 -> static void * VVi[3]=3D{ +> static void * VVi[3]={ > #define Cdata VV[2] > (void *)(LI1) > }; > #define VV (VVi) > static object LnkTLI1(object,...); -> static object (*LnkLI1)() =3D (object (*)()) LnkTLI1; +> static object (*LnkLI1)() = (object (*)()) LnkTLI1; > > /tmp/gazonk_27499_0.o: file format elf32-i386 > @@ -31658,7 +27825,7 @@ TE1-=18 > 18:=0983 ec 18 =09sub $0x18,%esp > =09goto TTL; > TTL:; -> =09{object V3 =3D (/* DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE */(*LnkLI1)(((object)VV[0]),(= +> =09{object V3 = (/* DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE */(*LnkLI1)(((object)VV[0]),(= V2)));VMR1 > 1b:=098b 0d 0c 00 00 00 =09mov 0xc,%ecx > 21:=09a1 00 00 00 00 =09mov 0x0,%eax @@ -31677,7 +27844,7 @@ V2)));VMR1 > > 0000003c : > static object LnkTLI1(object first,...){object V1;va_list ap;va_start(= -ap,first);V1=3D(object )call_proc_new(((object)VV[1]),0,0,(void **)(void = +ap,first);V1=(object )call_proc_new(((object)VV[1]),0,0,(void **)(void = *)&LnkLI1,2,first,ap);va_end(ap);return V1;} /* DL-DOUBLE-TO-DOUBLE */ > 3c:=0955 =09push %ebp > 3d:=0989 e5 =09mov %esp,%ebp @@ -31718,8 +27885,8 @@ ap,first);V1=3D(object )call_proc_new(((object)VV[1]),0,0,(void **)(void = > ;; Compiling /tmp/gazonk_27499_0.lsp. > ;; End of Pass 1. > ;; End of Pass 2. -> ;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=3D0 (No runtime error checking), Space=3D0, = -Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) +> ;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0, = +Speed=3, (Debug quality ignored) > ;; Finished compiling /tmp/gazonk_27499_0.o. > > #include "gazonk_27499_0.h" @@ -31734,17 +27901,17 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > TTL:; > =09/*(log X)*/ > =09{double V3; -> =09V3=3D V2; ;;*** Automatic inlining through function pointer -> =09{double V4 =3D ((double (*)(double))DLlog)(V3);VMR1 +> =09V3= V2; ;;*** Automatic inlining through function pointer +> =09{double V4 = ((double (*)(double))DLlog)(V3);VMR1 > =09(V4);}} > =09/* END (log X)*/ > } > /*=09global entry for the function FOO=09*/ > > static void L1() -> {=09register object *base=3Dvs_base; -> =09base[0]=3Dmake_longfloat(LI1(lf(base[0]))); -> =09vs_top=3D(vs_base=3Dbase)+1; +> {=09register object *base=vs_base; +> =09base[0]=make_longfloat(LI1(lf(base[0]))); +> =09vs_top=(vs_base=base)+1; > } > #(#(log > (%INIT @@ -31765,7 +27932,7 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > #define VMV1 > #define VMR1(VMT1) return(VMT1); > #define VM1 0 -> static void * VVi[2]=3D{ +> static void * VVi[2]={ > #define Cdata VV[1] > (void *)(L1), > (void *)(&DLlog) @@ -31809,10 +27976,10 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > TTL:; > =09/*(log X)*/ > =09{double V3; -> =09V3=3D V2; +> =09V3= V2; > 27:=09dd 45 e8 =09fldl 0xffffffe8(%ebp) > 2a:=09dd 5d f0 =09fstpl 0xfffffff0(%ebp) -> =09{double V4 =3D ((double (*)(double))DLlog)(V3);VMR1 ;;*** +> =09{double V4 = ((double (*)(double))DLlog)(V3);VMR1 ;;*** > =09=09=09=09=09=09=09=09minimal call overhead possible > 2d:=09a1 00 00 00 00 =09mov 0x0,%eax > 32:=09dd 45 f0 =09fldl 0xfffffff0(%ebp) @@ -31830,13 +27997,13 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > /*=09global entry for the function FOO=09*/ > > static void L1() -> {=09register object *base=3Dvs_base; +> {=09register object *base=vs_base; > 42:=0955 =09push %ebp > 43:=0989 e5 =09mov %esp,%ebp > 45:=0953 =09push %ebx > 46:=0983 ec 14 =09sub $0x14,%esp > 49:=098b 1d 00 00 00 00 =09mov 0x0,%ebx -> =09base[0]=3Dmake_longfloat(LI1(lf(base[0]))); +> =09base[0]=make_longfloat(LI1(lf(base[0]))); > 4f:=098b 03 =09mov (%ebx),%eax > 51:=09dd 40 04 =09fldl 0x4(%eax) > 54:=09dd 1c 24 =09fstpl (%esp) @@ -31844,7 +28011,7 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > 5c:=09dd 1c 24 =09fstpl (%esp) > 5f:=09e8 fc ff ff ff =09call 60 > 64:=0989 03 =09mov %eax,(%ebx) -> =09vs_top=3D(vs_base=3Dbase)+1; +> =09vs_top=(vs_base=base)+1; > 66:=0989 1d 00 00 00 00 =09mov %ebx,0x0 > 6c:=09a1 00 00 00 00 =09mov 0x0,%eax > 71:=0983 c0 04 =09add $0x4,%eax @@ -31857,19 +28024,19 @@ Speed=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) > NIL > > SYSTEM> -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D +> ========================= +========================== +========================== +=== > > Each code block stores a list of its dlsym function pointers and the > symbol denoting the address to which they must be relocated on each > image startup: > -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D +> ========================= +========================== +========================== +=== > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.7.0 CLtL1 May 22 2007 16:39:58 > Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp,pargcl), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl) > Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (XGCL READLINE BFD UNEXE= @@ -31898,40 +28065,40 @@ C) > SYSTEM>(si::save-system "ff") > camm@intech19:/fix/t1/camm/debian/gcl/tmp/tmp/foo1/unixport$ ldd saved_= pre_gcl -> =09libSM.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x41443000) -> =09libICE.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x413d9000) -> =09libXmu.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x413f3000) -> =09libXt.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x412d7000) -> =09libXext.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x41433000) -> =09libXaw.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x4000f000) -> =09libX11.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x41136000) -> =09libgmp.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 (0x4006a000) -> =09libreadline.so.5 =3D> /lib/libreadline.so.5 (0x400ad000) -> =09libncurses.so.5 =3D> /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x41329000) -> =09libm.so.6 =3D> /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4136c000) -> =09libdl.so.2 =3D> /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4145f000) -> =09libc.so.6 =3D> /lib/libc.so.6 (0x41019000) -> =09libXau.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x41465000) -> =09libXpm.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x41421000) -> =09libXdmcp.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x41458000) +> =09libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x41443000) +> =09libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x413d9000) +> =09libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x413f3000) +> =09libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x412d7000) +> =09libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x41433000) +> =09libXaw.so.7 => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x4000f000) +> =09libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x41136000) +> =09libgmp.so.3 => /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 (0x4006a000) +> =09libreadline.so.5 => /lib/libreadline.so.5 (0x400ad000) +> =09libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x41329000) +> =09libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4136c000) +> =09libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4145f000) +> =09libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x41019000) +> =09libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x41465000) +> =09libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x41421000) +> =09libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x41458000) > =09/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x41000000) > camm@intech19:/fix/t1/camm/debian/gcl/tmp/tmp/foo1/unixport$ ldd ff -> =09libSM.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x41443000) -> =09libICE.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x413d9000) -> =09libXmu.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x413f3000) -> =09libXt.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x412d7000) -> =09libXext.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x41433000) -> =09libXaw.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x4000f000) -> =09libX11.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x41136000) -> =09libgmp.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 (0x4006a000) -> =09libreadline.so.5 =3D> /lib/libreadline.so.5 (0x400ad000) -> =09libncurses.so.5 =3D> /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x41329000) -> =09libm.so.6 =3D> /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4136c000) -> =09libdl.so.2 =3D> /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4145f000) -> =09libc.so.6 =3D> /lib/libc.so.6 (0x41019000) -> =09libXau.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x41465000) -> =09libXpm.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x41421000) -> =09libXdmcp.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x41458000) +> =09libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x41443000) +> =09libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x413d9000) +> =09libXmu.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x413f3000) +> =09libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x412d7000) +> =09libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x41433000) +> =09libXaw.so.7 => /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x4000f000) +> =09libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x41136000) +> =09libgmp.so.3 => /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 (0x4006a000) +> =09libreadline.so.5 => /lib/libreadline.so.5 (0x400ad000) +> =09libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x41329000) +> =09libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4136c000) +> =09libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4145f000) +> =09libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x41019000) +> =09libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x41465000) +> =09libXpm.so.4 => /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x41421000) +> =09libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x41458000) > =09/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x41000000) > ./ff > GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.7.0 CLtL1 May 22 2007 16:39:58 @@ -31956,10 +28123,10 @@ C) > NIL > > SYSTEM> -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D +> ========================= +========================== +========================== +=== > > Suggestions most welcome. One thing I'm not planning at the moment is > "deregistering" dlopened libraries, but this is open to consultation. @@ -31982,33 +28149,11 @@ C) > obsolete the plt.c mechanism, which appears fragile and is currently > broken on mips for example. But the implications for lisp extensions > appear quite attractive. -> -> Take care, -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire=09=09=09 =09=09=09Camm Maguire -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'l= -lah -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch, - list -Cc: +To: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries --- Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -32074,29 +28219,11 @@ Anyway. Thank you for the work you have been putting into GCL to help support Axiom! My only concrete question at the moment really relates to read-sequence - is this something GCL plans to add? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -It's here! Your new message! -Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:52:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. - <46547019.6060902@hemmecke.de> - <20070523125940.w0zoh2ajay8sgs08@webmail.anikast.ca> - <46548255.3060109@hemmecke.de> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -32154,20 +28281,11 @@ simple extensions of the Axiom text-oriented user interface so that it is more friendly to external programs that wish to send commands and parse it's output. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:19:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. - <20070523145211.2qu98dcwx9okg88w@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. > But for now I would be quite happy just to follow Maxima's > lead and get rid the 'tm_axiom' program by making just @@ -32178,16 +28296,11 @@ Cc: axiom-dev Sorry, I cannot help, I don't know enough (yet). I don't even know where the Axiom prompt is defined. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom API -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:47:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom API Bill Page wrote: > Quoting Ralf Hemmecke: @@ -32217,25 +28330,11 @@ I belive that if TeXmacs does not want to use HyperDoc protocol (which gives _full_ access to Axiom capabilities) we can add extra protocol. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 23 May 2007 17:27:39 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87myzw6ymx.fsf@lattice.localhost> - - <87irak6tp0.fsf@lattice.localhost> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 23 May 2007 17:27:39 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -32251,29 +28350,11 @@ As I said, Im not interested in persuing this point. I would simply suggest that you read a book on Lisp, or read some code. It is self evident to anyone competent with Lisp what its macrosytem represents. -> -> -> -- Gaby - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:30:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <87odkcea4r.fsf@lattice.localhost> - <878xbg8gdy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <87myzw6ymx.fsf@lattice.localhost> - - <87irak6tp0.fsf@lattice.localhost> - - <87d50r6xis.fsf@lattice.localhost> -Cc: list On Wed, 23 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -32292,18 +28373,11 @@ On Wed, 23 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: So you did not have a factual basis for your statement. That is OK. Thanks for your time. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:29:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom API - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Waldek Hebisch: @@ -32360,20 +28434,11 @@ convenient and efficient dynamic library. All of these possibilities are lying dormant because of the simple lack of documentation and time. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:23:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > | ... @@ -32452,18 +28517,10 @@ hinted at earlier ... :-) but of course I understand if you have other priorities than responding to emails like this right now. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -From: Camm Maguire Date: 23 May 2007 18:37:15 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries Greetings! @@ -32582,35 +28639,12 @@ as well! Axiom owes so much to dedicated developers like yourself. Take care, > to read-sequence - is this something GCL plans to add? -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> -> ____________________________________________________________________________________ -> It's here! Your new message! -> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:10:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine - - <20070523182308.qhlhtg3ke3ggkks0@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list On Wed, 23 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -32630,16 +28664,11 @@ On Wed, 23 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: won't keep me busy all the time). [ They affect millions of people, far more than Axiom and Boot ?-) ] --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 23 May 2007 18:42:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 May 2007 18:42:37 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -32723,20 +28752,11 @@ to apply those same systematic thinkings to the programs they write; and in particular would consider that long list of #+ and #- is a good way to structure programs. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:11:19 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: Martin Rubey, list - boundary="----=_Part_8345_10003282.1179965479976" -Cc: -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. - -------=_Part_8345_10003282.1179965479976 +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Lovely stuff! Well done, Martin! @@ -32924,60 +28944,12 @@ wrote: > It is extremely important that this mode works reliably, and as it is > currently, I wouldn't be surprised if it would screw up in weird > circumstances. -> -> Martin -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-mail mailing list -> Axiom-mail@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail -> -> -> - -------=_Part_8345_10003282.1179965479976 - -Lovely stuff!  Well done, Martin!

I found the green output a bit garish for my tastes, so I changed the output foreground to blue, and the background to white.  I have discovered one problem, though:

)read newton )quiet -

The axiom mode interprets the initial )q from )quiet as a signal to quit!  So your idea of not trapping )quit, I think, is a good one.  Though from a brief look through the code, it seems that )quit is supposed to be abbreviated as )q only at the beginning of a line - which is well and good. -

But at the moment, my line above doesn't cause axiom to ask me whether I want to quit - it just kills the axiom process.

-Alasdair

On 23 May 2007 15:35:26 +0200, -Martin Rubey <Martin Rubey> wrote:
-Dear all,

after a day of hacking and with some help from Cliff and Jay (many thanks!) I
have a new version of axiom.el, which you find attached.  I'd be extremely
grateful for feedback!  Alasdair, is this usable for you? -

To use it, put it into a directory where emacs can find it, gunzip it, say

  document axiom.el.pamphlet

to obtain documentation and source or

  notangle axiom.el.pamphlet > axiom.el

-to obtain source only.  Then start (gnu) emacs and type

  M-x load-file

press return and type

  axiom.el

possibly including the complete path.  To start a fresh axiom session type

  M-x axiom -

Most things should come natural, here is a very short description of it's
functionality:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M-x axiom
  starts an axiom session or returns to an already started one.  We really -
  should provide functionality to have several sessions in parallel, but I
  don't know how to do this.

M-up, M-down
  moves the cursor to the previous or next input.

C-up/M-p, C-down/M-n
  fetches the previous or next input. -

M-k
  copies the current input-output combination into the kill-ring.

S-up, S-down, S-left, S-right
  turns the cursor into a paint-brush.

M-x axiom-paint-face
  changes the face of the paint-brush. -

return
  evaluates input.  If point is on a previous input, it overwrites old output
  ``nicely''.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Changes:
-
  * I modified some keybindings and instead of axiom-mode one calls axiom now.

  * I provided support for painting.

  * by default, HyperDoc is started now.

  * I fixed bugs that positioned point incorrectly and screwed up overwriting -
    old output.  Cliff: you said you fixed that already once.  Could you see
    whether you had a different axiom.el.pamphlet than provided on MathAction?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
ToDo:

* Testing: does it work with xemacs? does it work under MSwindows?

* the way we deal with system commands like )quit is unsatisfactory for two
  reasons:

  - we do not allow user interaction: )quit will quit without asking, but -
    worse, )di op 1 will make emacs appear to hang. C-g get's everything back
    to normal.  Reason: )di op 1 will make axiom ask whether we really want a
    long list of operations.

  - (1+x)q will be parsed as )quit.  We do not check yet whether the first -
    non-white space character is the open parenthesis.

* the underscore character does not work.  It should...

* the way we wait for output looks extremely dangerous to me:

(defun axiom-wait-for-output () -
  "Wait for output from the Axiom process.  Point is set at the end of the
  line."
  (while (and
          axiom-waiting-for-output
          (not (search-backward ") -> " (- (point) 5) t))) -
    (accept-process-output axiom-process))
  (sit-for 0 axiom-after-output-wait)
  (end-of-line))

  what if output contains ") -> " and we are unlucky?  Not sure whether this is
  a problem though.  In all other places, instead of ") -> " the regular -
  expression axiom-prompt is used.  Shouldn't we do this here, too?  Isn't
  there a simpler way to look for output?

  In fact, it might make sense to keep the current output number in a variable
-  -- that way we could also detect errors.

* It would be nice to give the output a different face, as in mmm-mode, but I'm
  a bit lazy.  Maybe today evening.

* S-return should overwrite old output while return should copy the input line -
  at point and evaluate it at the bottom of the buffer.

* it would be important to have the possibility of deleting part or all of the
  buffer.  (Personally, I often have a buffer with a 100000 lines, which is a -
  burden for emacs, it seems). By contrast, it is not necessary to provide
  functionality as stated in the section "Restarting and Re-evaluating - Kill
  and Restart Axiom without Erasing the Document" since such functionality is -
  provided by axiom itself.

* it would be extremely nice to have command tab-completion, as when starting
  axiom in a shell.  (The polymake team would like to have this, for example.)
  Anybody knows how to go about this? -

* undo should have sane behaviour, whatever that is.  Possibly, it should be
  restricted to the current input, but that might be too restrictive. (For
  example, if one has overwritten some important output by accident.) -

* sending definitions from input files is still not possible.

* cleanup is certainly necessary.  I don't know elisp well enough.  I have no
  idea, for example, why

   (end-of-line))

  in axiom-wait-for-output is necessary.  Really, every function should state -
  in the docstring where point is supposed to be before and after execution.

  It is extremely important that this mode works reliably, and as it is
  currently, I wouldn't be surprised if it would screw up in weird -
  circumstances.

Martin


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- -------=_Part_8345_10003282.1179965479976-- - - \start +Date: 23 May 2007 19:13:00 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: gcl, shared libraries - <54myzvmajo.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 May 2007 19:13:00 -0500 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: @@ -32992,23 +28964,14 @@ Camm Maguire writes: | source is easier to provide, and tends to therefore be more changeable | and less 'hardened' -Hear! Hear! Hear! - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries - --- Camm Maguire wrote: - > OK, these functions are in 2.6.8pre now. Please let me know if 2) > presents any problem. @@ -33136,29 +29099,13 @@ well enough (and that job is hard enough) that I am content to leave pondering that task for another day - there are enough low hanging fruit to pluck. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" - <1d67a53c0705231711n561fe91rdb6a4640149d5c68@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 24 May 2007 04:43:39 +0200 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. - ---=-=-= +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > Lovely stuff! Well done, Martin! @@ -33438,19 +29385,14 @@ cbXg4mMLl3SWl1KtbdEcJYL69O0PLBiwM0SinWKqstZeivvXv2PT1f+eHIlzietp6YDIdouiG3qA qY8VbKKJ4QHjOlwhV9dx8G5QOvh5UyyiT6ac93TkGKn3NREUVAOKz9j1r/8XPULEUTq1AAA= --=-=-=-- - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 05:18:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Martin Rubey wrote: -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > > Lovely stuff! Well done, Martin! > @@ -33504,19 +29446,11 @@ $$ Type: Fraction Polynomial Integer (3) -> --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 23 May 2007 22:58:29 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 23 May 2007 22:58:29 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org - Camm -- @@ -33524,22 +29458,13 @@ Camm -- ensure-directories-exist - As a subsidiary question, how do you delete a directory in ANSI Lisp? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:27:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Lisp/TeX/TeXmacs was: re: gcl, - shared libraries -Cc: list, +Subject: Lisp/TeX/TeXmacs was: re: gcl, shared libraries >> Could not agree more here. So we should not rewrite TeX in lisp, but >> rather find a way to use this excellent tool from within lisp. @@ -33606,17 +29531,11 @@ between source files, I haven't yet seen a "back" button so that I could use TeXmacs as a source code browser) and I find it overly hard to achieve something myself in a reasonable amount of time. -Ralf - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom - mode for emacs. -From: Martin Rubey Date: 24 May 2007 11:42:50 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Dear Waldek, @@ -33645,23 +29564,12 @@ Yes, that may make sense. Still, I'll leave it for the moment. I haven't found a possibility to produce a bug yet (apart from )fin which won't work), after all. (Please try, though!) -Many thanks for the feedback, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:54:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-dev , Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, - axiom-mail -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. - -Hi, +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Unfortunately, axiom.el is not usable in XEmacs. Here is a translation of the offending key definition. The definitions given below are @@ -33698,15 +29606,10 @@ identifiers and put them into axiom.el then write a routine to use this list. Of course that is not good if somebody changes the axiom library, but until then it might serve quite well. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:12:03 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: axiom identifiers Ralf, @@ -33715,18 +29618,11 @@ The list of axiom identifiers existed as some point in the past. It was used for command completion in clef. I can look around for it when I get back. -Tim - - - - - \start +Date: 24 May 2007 15:07:35 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom identifiers -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 24 May 2007 15:07:35 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -33736,18 +29632,12 @@ Tim Daly writes: Would be great if this information could at least be extracted automatically at build time. But I do not even know about the necessary format. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <46556ECA.9050308@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 24 May 2007 15:21:08 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: emacs mode +Cc: Alasdair McAndrew Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -33788,23 +29678,12 @@ I will, when I work on that, try to implement the following: Help for porting the whole thing to xemacs would be highly appreciated. And of course, I need input on desirable functionality, key-bindings, etc. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -From: Jay Belanger - <46556ECA.9050308@hemmecke.de> - <9q1wh6gxx7.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:35:26 -0500 - message of "24 May 2007 15\:21\:08 +0200") -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Jay Belanger +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: emacs mode - Martin Rubey writes: ... > Cliff, Jay: is the axiom-wait-for-output function and that sort of @@ -33825,18 +29704,12 @@ prefix. For this, you should use text properties instead of overlays. (In Gnu Emacs, that is.) -Jay - - - \start +Date: 24 May 2007 09:51:15 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability - <87tzu2x47u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 24 May 2007 09:51:15 -0400 -Cc: Paul F. Dietz, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Paul F. Dietz Greetings! @@ -33891,19 +29764,10 @@ This is what 2.6 has: > ============================================================================= --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <46556ECA.9050308@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 24 May 2007 16:31:30 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: axiom.el for xemacs Ralf et al., @@ -33913,22 +29777,12 @@ No such face: comint-highlight-prompt Do you get this message too, or do I have something wrong? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:40:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire -Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl, shared libraries, was [Axiom-developer] - Lisp portability - <547iqyz5ws.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: Paul F. Dietz, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl, shared libraries +Cc: Paul F. Dietz, Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Camm Maguire: > ... @@ -33945,20 +29799,12 @@ parameters and access such functions. .. there's got to, there's got to be a better way ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page, - Camm Maguire -Cc: Paul F. Dietz, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: Bill Page, Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl, shared libraries - +Cc: Paul F. Dietz --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -33989,22 +29835,11 @@ handling directories over all possible situations is not as simple as it seems - if you take into account a wide variety of file system concepts, at least. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start -Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability -To: Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:30:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability Camm Maguire wrote: > Greetings, and thanks for including me in this thread. Unfortunately, @@ -34255,17 +30090,10 @@ I do not know about libdl, but native Windows interface is reasonably simple. I think that main complication on Windows is supporting multiple calling conventions. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:38:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: openmcl port I have now succesfully built Axiom with openmcl (using @@ -34293,25 +30121,17 @@ is reported to work well on MacOSX Mac folks may wish to try it. I can provide a patch (which probably will need a little adjustment due to different file name). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -From: Francois Maltey Date: 24 May 2007 20:39:28 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. +From: Francois Maltey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Hello Martin, I think I correct a little bug in axiom.el. -Try :=20 +Try : [M-x] emacs [return] 1+3 [return] @@ -34329,7 +30149,7 @@ So I propose the change bellow. What do you think about ? Why the first output isn't green ? It seems it's an output as others ? -;; As in write-protect-prompt, the last-character of the prompt=20 +;; As in write-protect-prompt, the last-character of the prompt ;; is rear-nonsticky in order to allow insertion after the last character= . @@ -34338,31 +30158,24 @@ It seems it's an output as others ? (let ((inhibit-read-only t)) (beginning-of-line) (put-text-property comint-last-input-end (point) 'front-sticky t)= - =20 + (put-text-property comint-last-input-end (point) 'face 'axiom-out= put) - (end-of-line)=20 + (end-of-line) (put-text-property (- (point) 1) (point) 'rear-nonsticky t) (put-text-property comint-last-input-end (point) 'read-only t)) nil)) --------------------------------------------------------- -Are you interessed by a submode which allow *.input file syntax=20 +Are you interessed by a submode which allow *.input file syntax with few lines ? Are you working about it ? -Have a nice day ! - -Fran=E7ois, who is happy to test and (try to) improve this axiom.el. - - - \start -To: Francois Maltey -From: Martin Rubey Date: 24 May 2007 21:08:57 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Martin Rubey +To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: axiom mode for emacs. +Cc: Ralf Hemmecke Dear Francois, @@ -34426,17 +30239,12 @@ Martin 'comint-convert-ctrl-m-to-newline) - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:00:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: gcl, shared libraries, was Lisp portability - <87tzu2x47u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <547iqyz5ws.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: Paul F. Dietz, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Paul F. Dietz On Thu, 24 May 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -34485,20 +30293,11 @@ Thanks! This will be helpful. -Many thanks. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:44:32 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: Martin Rubey, list - boundary="----=_Part_15710_31998779.1180050272331" -Cc: -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. ------=_Part_15710_31998779.1180050272331 @@ -34686,50 +30485,6 @@ wrote: > currently, I wouldn't be surprised if it would screw up in weird > circumstances. > -> Martin -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-mail mailing list -> Axiom-mail@nongnu.org -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail -> -> -> - -------=_Part_15710_31998779.1180050272331 - -The newest emacs mode is very nice indeed - a splendid job!  Fancy being an expert in both axiom and emacs lisp... I'm impressed.  I can tie my own shoelaces and cross the road by myself...

The thing now would be to jiggle the mode so that the output can be displayed as a TeX'ed graphic - like imaxima.  This provides much the same effect as TeXmacs, in (as far as I can tell) a much leaner, faster and more robust environment. -

And of course it would be nice to fix up HyperDoc, so that the widget set was more up-to-date, and responded to such things as scroll wheels.

cheers,
Alasdair

On 23 May 2007 15:35:26 +0200, -Martin Rubey <Martin Rubey> wrote:
-Dear all,

after a day of hacking and with some help from Cliff and Jay (many thanks!) I
have a new version of axiom.el, which you find attached.  I'd be extremely
grateful for feedback!  Alasdair, is this usable for you? -

To use it, put it into a directory where emacs can find it, gunzip it, say

  document axiom.el.pamphlet

to obtain documentation and source or

  notangle axiom.el.pamphlet > axiom.el

-to obtain source only.  Then start (gnu) emacs and type

  M-x load-file

press return and type

  axiom.el

possibly including the complete path.  To start a fresh axiom session type

  M-x axiom -

Most things should come natural, here is a very short description of it's
functionality:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M-x axiom
  starts an axiom session or returns to an already started one.  We really -
  should provide functionality to have several sessions in parallel, but I
  don't know how to do this.

M-up, M-down
  moves the cursor to the previous or next input.

C-up/M-p, C-down/M-n
  fetches the previous or next input. -

M-k
  copies the current input-output combination into the kill-ring.

S-up, S-down, S-left, S-right
  turns the cursor into a paint-brush.

M-x axiom-paint-face
  changes the face of the paint-brush. -

return
  evaluates input.  If point is on a previous input, it overwrites old output
  ``nicely''.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Changes:
-
  * I modified some keybindings and instead of axiom-mode one calls axiom now.

  * I provided support for painting.

  * by default, HyperDoc is started now.

  * I fixed bugs that positioned point incorrectly and screwed up overwriting -
    old output.  Cliff: you said you fixed that already once.  Could you see
    whether you had a different axiom.el.pamphlet than provided on MathAction?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
ToDo:

* Testing: does it work with xemacs? does it work under MSwindows?

* the way we deal with system commands like )quit is unsatisfactory for two
  reasons:

  - we do not allow user interaction: )quit will quit without asking, but -
    worse, )di op 1 will make emacs appear to hang. C-g get's everything back
    to normal.  Reason: )di op 1 will make axiom ask whether we really want a
    long list of operations.

  - (1+x)q will be parsed as )quit.  We do not check yet whether the first -
    non-white space character is the open parenthesis.

* the underscore character does not work.  It should...

* the way we wait for output looks extremely dangerous to me:

(defun axiom-wait-for-output () -
  "Wait for output from the Axiom process.  Point is set at the end of the
  line."
  (while (and
          axiom-waiting-for-output
          (not (search-backward ") -> " (- (point) 5) t))) -
    (accept-process-output axiom-process))
  (sit-for 0 axiom-after-output-wait)
  (end-of-line))

  what if output contains ") -> " and we are unlucky?  Not sure whether this is
  a problem though.  In all other places, instead of ") -> " the regular -
  expression axiom-prompt is used.  Shouldn't we do this here, too?  Isn't
  there a simpler way to look for output?

  In fact, it might make sense to keep the current output number in a variable
-  -- that way we could also detect errors.

* It would be nice to give the output a different face, as in mmm-mode, but I'm
  a bit lazy.  Maybe today evening.

* S-return should overwrite old output while return should copy the input line -
  at point and evaluate it at the bottom of the buffer.

* it would be important to have the possibility of deleting part or all of the
  buffer.  (Personally, I often have a buffer with a 100000 lines, which is a -
  burden for emacs, it seems). By contrast, it is not necessary to provide
  functionality as stated in the section "Restarting and Re-evaluating - Kill
  and Restart Axiom without Erasing the Document" since such functionality is -
  provided by axiom itself.

* it would be extremely nice to have command tab-completion, as when starting
  axiom in a shell.  (The polymake team would like to have this, for example.)
  Anybody knows how to go about this? -

* undo should have sane behaviour, whatever that is.  Possibly, it should be
  restricted to the current input, but that might be too restrictive. (For
  example, if one has overwritten some important output by accident.) -

* sending definitions from input files is still not possible.

* cleanup is certainly necessary.  I don't know elisp well enough.  I have no
  idea, for example, why

   (end-of-line))

  in axiom-wait-for-output is necessary.  Really, every function should state -
  in the docstring where point is supposed to be before and after execution.

  It is extremely important that this mode works reliably, and as it is
  currently, I wouldn't be surprised if it would screw up in weird -
  circumstances.

Martin


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- -------=_Part_15710_31998779.1180050272331-- - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:58:31 -0700 (PDT) @@ -34789,20 +30544,12 @@ P.S. - I didn't know there was so much cool stuff out there of this sort - archive.org also has a version of Newton's Philosophiæ naturalis principia mathematica - http://www.archive.org/details/philonatrualprin04newtrich - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 24 May 2007 21:27:36 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Back again. - Greetings All, I participated in this community for a while in 2004-2005. Simply @@ -34841,21 +30588,11 @@ documented will be seen as beneficial. As for the Lisp rewrite, I would love to hear from anyone who shares an interest in this direction. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode - for emacs. -To: Alasdair McAndrew Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 03:56:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > And of course it would be nice to fix up HyperDoc, so that the widget set @@ -34867,20 +30604,11 @@ You may try patch by Greg Vanuxem: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-11/msg00411.html - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:39:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Back again. -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Stephen, @@ -34931,31 +30659,12 @@ On 24 May 2007 21:27:36 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > documented will be seen as beneficial. As for the Lisp rewrite, I > would love to hear from anyone who shares an interest in this > direction. -> -> -> Sincerely, -> Steve -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" , - "jay p. belanger" - <1d67a53c0705241644o1f774c7doc78402116d1db638@mail.gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 May 2007 04:39:58 +0200 -Cc: list -Subject: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for - emacs. +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew, Jay Belanger +Subject: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. --=-=-= @@ -35280,16 +30989,11 @@ LC2kEuCiPu4J6rMXv7BgwM4QiXaGqcpaeynuX5d6ov733pE4l4CylqWITJco2qcH2C55DUAs6Aek 4QEDkVwuF0JxIPm4zyUe1fki+iTjXMNjx0DT74mgoBpAqAtv4f4fvcZG1XewAAA= --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Back again. -To: Stephen Wilson, - axiom-dev -Cc: --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -35343,24 +31047,11 @@ to properly evaluate it. Anyway, this is a direction I at least find interesting. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get your own web address. -Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL - - - \start +Date: 24 May 2007 21:52:30 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Back again. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 24 May 2007 21:52:30 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -35374,18 +31065,11 @@ straightforward to extracr -- see src/interp/cparse.boot. The semantics is entangled with the many post-parser transformers, but is not too hard to get out. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:55:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Back again. - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Stephen Wilson: @@ -35420,19 +31104,11 @@ Most certainly! :-) I do share an interest in the results of this exercise although of course I cannot offer any direct help. -Sincerely, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 24 May 2007 22:56:36 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Back again. - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 24 May 2007 22:56:36 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev - Alfredo Portes writes: > Hi Stephen, @@ -35452,23 +31128,11 @@ Indeed. I have been extremely impressed with the work produced over the past year. I have high hopes for the project. I too would like to thank everyone for their dedication and work. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Martin Rubey, - Alasdair McAndrew , - "jay p. belanger" -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode - for emacs. - +To: Martin Rubey, Alasdair McAndrew, Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -35489,16 +31153,6 @@ interaction with terminal programs - I was never able to grasp that aspect of it properly. (I suppose the functions with every single line commented indicate that - those should probably be trimmed down...) -Cheers, and thanks again -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -35542,22 +31196,11 @@ branches that have improvements not folded back in. Because this is a "representative" page of the Axiom project, I would like to get feedback on what is needed. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - - \start +Date: 24 May 2007 23:27:19 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Back again. -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 24 May 2007 23:27:19 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -35657,27 +31300,11 @@ to evaluate META. I am glad to hear this! -> -> Cheers, -> CY - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -From: Jay Belanger - <1d67a53c0705241644o1f774c7doc78402116d1db638@mail.gmail.com> - <9q646h8w3l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:30:40 -0500 - of "25 May 2007 04\:39\:58 +0200") -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode - for emacs. - +From: Jay Belanger +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. Let me echo the praise you're getting; this is very nice. @@ -35708,20 +31335,13 @@ make a variable `axiom-output-wait' or something, and This has nothing to do with waiting for output, or even Emacs. Axiom will do that when called with the -noclef option; I have no idea why. -Jay - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Back again. - <20070524225506.f0d7o7b2qnswk084@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 24 May 2007 23:36:26 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Back again. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Quoting Stephen Wilson: > > > @@ -35764,21 +31384,11 @@ Absolutely. > course I cannot offer any direct help. Sincerely, > Bill Page. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:40:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -35834,19 +31444,11 @@ Feel free to create a "Development Archive" page of you wish. > I would like to get feedback on what is needed. > -Thanks, Cliff. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:40:37 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -35874,20 +31476,11 @@ the project from google, which currently is very far behind. I can help you with the reorganization of the page if need to. This page also needs to be improved: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:45:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Back again. - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: axiom-dev Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -35901,24 +31494,13 @@ provide some command completions for Axiom, but these also could be provided by readline. As far as I know, other than that clef is just legacy code that can disappear. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com - <1d67a53c0705241644o1f774c7doc78402116d1db638@mail.gmail.com> - <9q646h8w3l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87bqg9shpb.fsf@gmail.com> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 May 2007 05:49:07 +0200 -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode - for emacs. +From: Martin Rubey +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. -Jay Belanger writes: +Jay Belanger writes: > Let me echo the praise you're getting; this is very nice. > @@ -35974,23 +31556,11 @@ these accept-process-output stuff, it works, too. However, I have then some problems deciding when to decide that a prompt arrived, since it seems that emacs continues execution of my elisp code, even if output is still arriving. -Many many thanks, - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:00:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? - - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Alfredo Portes: @@ -36039,21 +31609,11 @@ think is available to us except perhaps by special request. It is the same situation at Google Code, except made more severe by the size restrictions place on the repositories there. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? -To: Bill Page, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -36111,23 +31671,11 @@ Those are interesting scenarios, but the most important thing is the work gets done. We can wade through diffs by hand if we need to - the key is getting the problems solved. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Back again. To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev - +Subject: Re: Back again. --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -36147,24 +31695,11 @@ I'm on the command line. Linedit would be part of the "everything we need in Lisp" approach :-). For GCL with readline I agree it is pretty much redundant. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:23:07 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? - - <20070525000031.25einmuvxj284w0w@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list Hi Bill, @@ -36180,24 +31715,11 @@ to pay. But I least a simple scheme that works for people contributing specially now that it looks like there is more contributors than version control systems :-). But like you said, there must be a better way. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -From: Jay Belanger - <1d67a53c0705241644o1f774c7doc78402116d1db638@mail.gmail.com> - <9q646h8w3l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87bqg9shpb.fsf@gmail.com> - <9qirahd0lo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:32:43 -0500 - of "25 May 2007 05\:49\:07 +0200") -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode - for emacs. - +From: Jay Belanger +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. Martin Rubey writes: ... @@ -36257,16 +31779,10 @@ than all at once? What code is being run while Axiom output it arriving? -Jay - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:33:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q7iqy6nue.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: axiom mode for emacs. > By the way, any xemacs experts out there? I tried to port it today, but failed @@ -36289,16 +31805,11 @@ Ralf (set-marker (process-mark proc) (point)) (message "Process mark set"))) - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:56:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? - <20070524234036.fx94t4yg0n1w88ww@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list >> Also, is hersen-algebra-improvements still in use? Does it contain >> any work not present in other branches? @@ -36308,18 +31819,11 @@ Cc: list Antoine, could you say something about the state of your branch? -Thank you - -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:24:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 23 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -36398,18 +31902,11 @@ and formating follows Boot version. (FLOOR (* l10 (+ 1.0d0 1.0d-12))))))) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:31:14 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -Cc: list Confirmed - builds on sbcl and clisp. Wow! Thanks Waldek! @@ -36461,20 +31958,17 @@ linux/algebra/COMPLEX.fasl Integer,...) (3) -> - - - \start -To: axiom-dev -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 May 2007 13:38:07 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: axiom-dev Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] comparison operators and %pi Dear Alasdair, Francois, (didn't get through, did it?) -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: (I move this to developer) @@ -36595,18 +32089,13 @@ features from EXPR here... Some documentation would be good, though. simplifyPower(denominator x,n pretend Integer) - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? - - <20070525000031.25einmuvxj284w0w@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 May 2007 08:01:18 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -36650,16 +32139,11 @@ For Google mirror, I don't know whether we want to preserve the history there as opposed to regularly putting a snapshot there. This is not a serious suggestion. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:09:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Boot, Virtual Machine -Cc: list On Fri, 25 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -36691,17 +32175,11 @@ Thanks for the example. A few remarks: (3) you can declare variable typs in Boot by specifying their types: var : type --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:44:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? - <87sl9lrra9.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > Axiom.build-improvements and Axiom.wh-sandbox will deal with the > manufaturing of necessary patches as they can. @@ -36753,17 +32231,11 @@ developers (who actually commit) to work centralized or distributed. We can change that later if we have thousands of contributors. But until then we should do more to attract developers. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:41:54 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Back again. - <20070524234552.dzj6xx4ynrw0sogg@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: axiom-dev On Thu, 24 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: > Since gnu readline (or it's equivalent) are available on all the likely @@ -36778,17 +32250,11 @@ This will make axiom+readline to be distributable only under GPL. If there will be any responces, please, switch to axiom-legal. -Andrey - - - \start +Date: 25 May 2007 21:00:36 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: comparison operators and %pi - <9q8xbd9lr4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Francois Maltey -Date: 25 May 2007 21:00:36 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Hello everybody ! @@ -36862,16 +32328,11 @@ maple and mupad, and after write a pamphlet file was too much, sorry... I hope I answer to your questions. -Francois, in France. - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 03:37:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl CY wrote: > Confirmed - builds on sbcl and clisp. Wow! Thanks Waldek! @@ -36904,18 +32365,11 @@ in next revision): )lisp (setf sb-ext:*evaluator-mode* :interpret) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 25 May 2007 20:57:32 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 May 2007 20:57:32 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -36953,15 +32407,10 @@ defining variables through SETQ -- that tends to trigger warnings from several Lisp implementations. Is it possible that the above is such a warning? (the |#1| are names for synthetized lambdas). --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:50:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: Packages and compilation I am somewhat puzzled by error message given by gcl compiling @@ -37009,18 +32458,12 @@ The file compiles fine in CLtL1, more precisely I get warnings, but the file works as expected. It also works interpreted, but I want to put inside calls to C functions (defentry form) and for that IIUC I have to compile it. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start +Date: 26 May 2007 12:42:48 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Packages and compilation -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 May 2007 12:42:48 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list Waldek Hebisch writes: > I am somewhat puzzled by error message given by gcl compiling @@ -37039,23 +32482,11 @@ deprecated symbol COMPILE in-place of :COMPILE-TOPLEVEL seems to result in correct behavior. Seems to be a viable workaround for the moment, and perhaps a clue as to the cause. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode - for emacs. - <1d67a53c0705241644o1f774c7doc78402116d1db638@mail.gmail.com> - <9q646h8w3l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qfy5jfwy0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 May 2007 19:25:25 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. Hmm, yet another glitch. When using HyperDoc or my SPADEDIT script, axiom produces output, which is sent to the buffer. Unfortunately, this confuses my @@ -37090,24 +32521,11 @@ and the message from SPADEDIT, which in turn calls emacsclient: The HyperDoc messages can be turned off with )se me au of, but this turns off more than I'd like. The other one I don't know at all how to switch off. -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode - for emacs. - <1d67a53c0705241644o1f774c7doc78402116d1db638@mail.gmail.com> - <9q646h8w3l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qfy5jfwy0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q646fsdiy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 May 2007 13:06:48 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. Martin Rubey writes: @@ -37121,17 +32539,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: I agree that for "normal" users, those "loading" messages are more of annoyance than anything. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:51:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-mail@nongnu.org, - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Enumeration +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 05/26/2007 09:42 PM, Bill Page wrote: > On May 26, 2007 3:35 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -37166,12 +32579,10 @@ Ralf PS: Shouldn't that thread just be in axiom-developer? - - \start -To: list Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 04:10:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Cleaning issues I have looked at older issues in Issue Tracker and it seems that @@ -37227,18 +32638,11 @@ may point inside. Those are just two examples, I would be good if somebody would filter out other non-issues. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 26 May 2007 21:34:14 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Cleaning issues -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 May 2007 21:34:14 -0500 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -37308,20 +32712,11 @@ not things people usually grasp from first reading. I don't know what can be done apart from an FAQ entry under the heading "reference semantics" and "referential transparent computations". - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Cleaning issues Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:43:31 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcegCCHDRk25Znx4QxOdYLComghaugACCFjg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: Cleaning issues On May 26, 2007 10:34 PM Gabriel Dos Reis > @@ -37351,20 +32746,11 @@ report is the Axiom IssueTracker. We should have answers such as Waldek's there. In fact we already have several such issues ansered in this way. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp, "jay p. belanger" -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: [ANN] yet a better version of - the axiom mode for emacs. -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 May 2007 09:05:18 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp, Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -37403,21 +32789,11 @@ for the same reason. Don't know how to do this on windows, though. issue )edit - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:21:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: [ANN] yet a better version - of the axiom mode for emacs. - <9qy7jaeogh.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. > A port to xemacs and vi would be superb. I believe Ralf is using xemacs, > Thomas and Christian from my department are using vi and TeXmacs. Thomas said @@ -37427,17 +32803,11 @@ Have you looked at preview-latex? Maybe you can convince it to work together with axiommode. It is compiling (latexing) to gifs and displays them in the emacs buffer. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:35:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Cleaning issues - <877iqvdmft.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 05/27/2007 04:34 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -37495,18 +32865,11 @@ I know that that sounds a little too much for a beginner, but it is a simple rule. "Take care when you are using bang functions, you might introduce an explosion." -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: [ANN] yet a better version - of the axiom mode for emacs. - <9qy7jaeogh.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46593161.6080802@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 May 2007 09:58:11 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Re: [ANN] yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -37522,19 +32885,11 @@ No. No. I have invested too much time already, sorry. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: yet a better version of the axiom mode for - emacs. -To: Martin Rubey, - "jay p. belanger" -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: yet a better version of the axiom mode for emacs. +To: Martin Rubey, Jay Belanger --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -37569,23 +32924,11 @@ anyone who wanted to could get IMaxima to be IAxiom ;-). Cheers, and thanks Martin for all the effort you have put in! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 May 2007 11:45:20 -0500 -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [571] - branches/wh-sandbox +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [571] branches/wh-sandbox Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -37595,17 +32938,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Why would you want to have this specified on command line? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [571] - branches/wh-sandbox -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:51:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [571] branches/wh-sandbox > Waldek Hebisch writes: > @@ -37622,19 +32959,11 @@ openmcl just crashes. In general if somebody want to try with another Lisp we can not expect that --help / --version will work, so giving flavor may be necessary. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:26:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [571] - branches/wh-sandbox -Cc: list +Subject: re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [571] branches/wh-sandbox On Sun, 27 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -37659,17 +32988,10 @@ implementation that has any sense does that. The fact that openmcl crashes on --version is a symptom of bug in that implementation, and its developers might want to know about it. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Markus Cozowicz'" Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:41:45 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acd3nJvETrQTxQIHRja41cAqJuZhBABl99JQAG4BatAAAqCYTQAEZ0iwCVtPfEAABW6Z0A== -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Markus Cozowicz Subject: RE: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) Markus, @@ -37842,26 +33164,14 @@ Bill Page. > code is a serious risk, I think the best option would be to run > Axiom in a chroot environment or perhaps on a separate virtual > machine using Xen or other VM tool. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> - - - - \start -To: "'Markus Cozowicz'" , list -Subject: re: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 May 2007 21:20:53 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Markus Cozowicz +Subject: re: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Markus, > @@ -37883,14 +33193,10 @@ Martin PS: I was thinking of starting an axiom-tutorial blog, but maybe a Stammtisch would be better? - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 27 May 2007 16:18:29 -0400 -Cc: +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: backslash-newline in Makefiles. --=-=-= @@ -38182,31 +33488,21 @@ PqvTDjvaG1Ds3bFw19fA7jFo9SAKRliY4sCs/gH8Zd1X/E/n7ZZTEq1WcNQ5HZy2j47+PxuAGwCG hgIA --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:32:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. -Cc: axiom-devel > For convinience, attached is a patch against current Silver. What is the "current Silver"??? Where is it? On Sourceforge? -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 17:08:56 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 May 2007 17:08:56 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel - Hi Ralf, @@ -38220,20 +33516,11 @@ on Sourceforge. Tim gave the details here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-05/msg00260.html -> -> Ralf - -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 16:34:20 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 May 2007 16:34:20 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -38250,20 +33537,11 @@ Axiom.build-improvements, Axiom.wh-sandbox, and Axiom.gdr-sandbox. It is nice to see them solved again. -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 17:41:57 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. - <871wh23q8z.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 May 2007 17:41:57 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -38296,18 +33574,6 @@ work than the rout I took. It is not one of my priorities to merge build-improvments or wh-sandbox with silver. -> -> Thanks, -> -> -- Gaby - - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -38323,34 +33589,18 @@ papers and presentations, but will you be able to make your work available outside of ISSAC proper for those of us in the peanut gallery? Can anyone videotape the talk for online use? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:48:49 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: back my, my, my, it has been a busy week here. --Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:50:34 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: back Steve, @@ -38360,18 +33610,10 @@ Thanks for the patch. I see from the mail that you've put up a git. Is your patch there? Can I pull from it? -Tim - - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 27 May 2007 17:56:05 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: back Tim Daly writes: @@ -38388,21 +33630,12 @@ Tim Daly writes: Yes, the patch is there. git-pull should give you the posted patch and that alone. Please let me know if it works out. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" -Subject: RE: backslash-newline in Makefiles. Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:11:20 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acegp9NlWQ8ji89MQUqBiZbu3z33gAAAWT+gAABpw1A= -Cc: 'axiom-devel' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: RE: backslash-newline in Makefiles. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen, @@ -38451,22 +33684,14 @@ Given the current fractious sitation, I think we need to guard against making it worse. It is Tim's stated intention to continue to merge build-improvements into Silver. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 27 May 2007 18:28:55 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Stephen, > @@ -38543,25 +33768,11 @@ hopes of obtaining a clean patch. This does not make anything worse. Im just posting a patch against silver. Whats the big deal? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. - - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:33:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. - <871wh23q8z.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87y7jaaqqi.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Sun, 27 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -38577,16 +33788,11 @@ By no means I intended to imply you should do otherwise. I would have been surprised if it were different. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:36:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: backslash-newline in Makefiles. -Cc: 'axiom-devel' On Sun, 27 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -38597,17 +33803,11 @@ On Sun, 27 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: I'm not unpleasantly surprised at all. This is Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:39:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. - <87lkf9c34o.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: 'axiom-devel' On Sun, 27 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -38622,18 +33822,11 @@ they eventually get included. This is Axiom. The goal is to redo everything, especially known and solved problems. We have about 25 years left for that. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 18:42:36 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. - <87lkf9c34o.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 May 2007 18:42:36 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -38657,20 +33850,10 @@ If this problem is solved, why does silver not reflect that? My hope is that it will any minute now. -> -> -- Gaby - -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:43:30 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: list Subject: bachslash-newline in Makefiles Ah, controvery. Sigh. @@ -38720,22 +33903,11 @@ SVN users should be able to apply the change as a single changeset. Mostly I'm trying to fix outstanding bug reports (e.g. I'm working on downcasing filenames everywhere). -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:45:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. - <87lkf9c34o.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87hcpxc2hv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: 'axiom-devel' On Sun, 27 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -38746,15 +33918,10 @@ On Sun, 27 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: This is Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:49:39 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: bachslash-newline in Makefiles re: Stephen's patch @@ -38764,20 +33931,11 @@ a rework of an existing patch since the Makefiles are nowhere the same. Thus, since the idea was not previously posted as a diff-Naur to Gold it is NOT rework or cherry-picking. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Stephen Wilson -Cc: 'axiom-devel' - +Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -38799,25 +33957,11 @@ codebase! Disinterest is more fatal to a project than any disorganization could ever be - apathy is by far the most fatal disease we could catch. -Cheers, and thanks all! - -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. -Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 19:29:03 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: bachslash-newline in Makefiles -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 May 2007 19:29:03 -0400 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: > Future updates to "silver" will be complete changesets. @@ -38834,18 +33978,11 @@ the specific problem I was trying to solve was finalized. This qualifies in my mind as a changeset. I hope it is sufficient (modulo any problems others discover) for inclusion in silver. -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:32:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles. -Cc: 'axiom-devel' On Sun, 27 May 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -38857,17 +33994,11 @@ Indeed. And disinterest is lurking around when no forward move or progress is being made. --- Gaby - - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 18:44:54 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: bachslash-newline in Makefiles -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 May 2007 18:44:54 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -38899,18 +34030,11 @@ branching is easy with SVN too, but I suspect that was not the point. | as full changesets. People using git should be able to do a git-pull. | SVN users should be able to apply the change as a single changeset. -Great! - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 18:49:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: ISSAC papers/presentations? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 May 2007 18:49:37 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -38932,16 +34056,11 @@ It is also our intent to make the library available to the Axiom community -- it will be up to the powers be to decide whether they want it in the Axiom standard distribution or not. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 18:53:09 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: bachslash-newline in Makefiles -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 May 2007 18:53:09 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -38959,18 +34078,11 @@ here. This problem was noticed a long time ago and was solved collaboratively by various people including Ralf, Bill, Waldek, Jacob, and me. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:15:51 +0200 -From: Henri Lesourd -To: -Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Lisp/TeX/TeXmacs was: re: - gcl, shared libraries - <46555A8C.7070301@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list +From: Henri Lesourd +To: list +Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Lisp/TeX/TeXmacs was: re: gcl, shared libraries Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -39034,48 +34146,24 @@ You should first give a try to the tutorial above : although it remains incomplete, it has exactly been written for solving the kinds of learning problem you are describing now. - -Best, Henri - - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:28:19 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Topic: Axiom on MediaWiki - Graphics -thread-index: Acd3nJvETrQTxQIHRja41cAqJuZhBABl99JQAG4BatAAAqCYTQAEZ0iwCVtPfEAABW6Z0AAKuxkg - <00db01c7a08e$b2804760$6900a8c0@asus> -From: "Markus Cozowicz" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Markus Cozowicz +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Axiom on MediaWiki - Graphics -Hi, - I couldn't find anything on how to set the PostScript output file -interactively (=3Dw/o the ui). +interactively (=w/o the ui). Any hints? It doesn't have to be returned through the pipe, as I need to run convert anyway. -Thx Markus - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:04:19 +0200 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Topic: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) -thread-index: Acd3nJvETrQTxQIHRja41cAqJuZhBABl99JQAG4BatAAAqCYTQAEZ0iwCVtPfEAABW6Z0AAJSMKw - <00db01c7a08e$b2804760$6900a8c0@asus> -From: "Markus Cozowicz" -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Markus Cozowicz +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) -Hi, - I'm filtering the commands you provided to improve security. I don't perform chroot and still use the apache user (too much work). I improved the Latex a little. @@ -39094,14 +34182,7 @@ register, so I know you added it. I'll try graphics right now. -Thx Markus - -----Original Message----- -From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page]=20 -Sent: Sonntag, 27. Mai 2007 20:42 -To: Markus Cozowicz -Cc: list -Subject: RE: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) Markus, @@ -39109,19 +34190,19 @@ Thank you very much for this initial work! I think it is very promising. On May 27, 2007 12:19 PM Markus Cozowicz wrote: ->=20 +> > I found some time on the weekend to work on it. ->=20 +> > Have a look at http://www.eisber.net/StatWiki/index.php/Temp ->=20 -> I'm actually reusing -tag from MediaWiki, which has=20 +> +> I'm actually reusing -tag from MediaWiki, which has > limited Latex support. Thus I have to do some conversions and > stripping. I don't think full support of all Latex outputted > by Axiom is possible, but to get a reasonable amount, I'd have > to go through some more samples. ->=20 +> > Some questions: ->=20 +> > - Do you have list of functions that impose security problems? There are at least two classes of operations that potentially @@ -39166,7 +34247,7 @@ We have however documented some problem cases on the Axiom Wiki. E.g. http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/VeryLongLaTeX -=20 + > I saw that you support graphics too with postscript output. Axiom can generate graphics with postscript output if it @@ -39188,47 +34269,47 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/GraphicsOnMathAction > The R-plugin for media wiki already does postscript to png > conversion for R graphics... > It shouldn't be too hard to adapt that for Axiom. ->=20 +> Great! Regards, Bill Page. ->=20 +> > -----Original Message----- -> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page]=20 +> From: Bill Page [mailto:Bill Page] > Sent: Dienstag, 10. April 2007 03:08 > To: Markus Cozowicz > Cc: 'Axiom-Developer' > Subject: Axiom on MediaWiki (was: Axiom) ->=20 +> > Markus, ->=20 +> > I hope you do not mind that I am copying this to the Axiom > developer mailing list. I think there may be some other > people here who are interested in this subject. ->=20 +> > On April 9, 2007 6:43 PM Markus Cozowicz wrote: ->=20 +> > > I'm actually trying to integrate Axiom into MediaWiki. I'm > > using it to write my statistics homework (www.eisber.net/StatWiki). ->=20 +> > Well, I thinks that's a pretty ambitious project just to do > your homework! :-) But I think this is interesting for much > more than that. ->=20 +> > > MediaWiki is written in PHP. ->=20 +> > Yes. Very famous. It is the wiki software behind Wikipedia. > I think it is a very good choice (except for PHP, but that's > a different story). ->=20 +> > > I'm not sure if I actually want to properly interface with > > Axiom, as I'm only interested in the generated latex, that > > needs to be piped into texvc (yet another binary - the latex > > interface used in MediaWiki). ->=20 +> > I don't know what you mean exactly by "properly interface with > Axiom". Axiom can generate LaTeX output for the results that it > calculates. I assume that if you are interested in Axiom, you @@ -39236,7 +34317,7 @@ Bill Page. > or other - otherwise I don't see much point in using Axiom just > to generate LaTeX output. I think you would find it rather > awkward if that was all you wanted it to do. ->=20 +> > I suppose that you are familiar with the Axiom Wiki web site: > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org > If you are using Axiom for statistics - even if it is just for @@ -39248,12 +34329,12 @@ Bill Page. > applications where Axiom can be used. Your exercises might > help other people realize how Axiom can be used in their > own situation. ->=20 +> > As you can discover from the wiki site, these web sites are > based on Zwiki, Zope and Python - quite different from most > PHP applications although they accomplish mostly the same > thing in the end. ->=20 +> > If you are more interested in continuing the development of > a general purpose MediaWiki plug-in that allows MediaWiki to > send commands to Axiom and display the results on a wiki page @@ -39261,11 +34342,11 @@ Bill Page. > very interested in that. I would very much like to be able to > offer such an interface for Axiom to other MediaWiki users. > So I would be glad to help you with this. ->=20 +> > > Can I disabled shell execution in Axiom? Because for security > > reason, I probably don't want anybody to execute arbitrary > > code on my server. ->=20 +> > Axiom is not designed with this kind of security in mind, but > in the PHP interface to Axiom, it would be possible to intercept > commands which might execute arbitrary code and still leave a @@ -39273,23 +34354,11 @@ Bill Page. > code is a serious risk, I think the best option would be to run > Axiom in a chroot environment or perhaps on a separate virtual > machine using Xen or other VM tool. ->=20 -> Regards, -> Bill Page. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:28:46 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: backslash-newline in Makefiles Stephen, @@ -39305,19 +34374,10 @@ Yes, they are what I'd consider a changeset. They address one particular problem that affects several files as one distinct conceptual change. - -Tim - - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 27 May 2007 21:44:15 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles Tim Daly writes: @@ -39365,22 +34425,10 @@ Ok. > particular problem that affects several files as one distinct > conceptual change. -Excellent. - -> -> -> Tim - -Steve. - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:23:32 -0500 From: git@axiom-developer.org -To: list, Tim Daly -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' CHANGELOG | 1 + @@ -39408,15 +34456,10 @@ Date: Sun May 27 14:05:16 2007 -0400 the GNU make manual subsection "Splitting Command Lines" (node "Splitting Lines"), in section "Command Syntax", chapter "Writing the Commands in Rules", for details. - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:24:55 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: backslash-newline in Makefiles Stephen, @@ -39426,20 +34469,11 @@ I used your posted diff for the Make newline problem. The changeset has been applied. The commit is done to git and SVN. -Thanks, -Tim - - - - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 21:33:04 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: git@axiom-developer.org Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 May 2007 21:33:04 -0500 -Cc: list git@axiom-developer.org writes: @@ -39452,17 +34486,10 @@ Tim -- Please could set up the git commit message so that it goes to axiom-commit@sf.net? -Thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:42:52 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' > Please could you set up the git commit message so that it goes to @@ -39470,17 +34497,10 @@ Subject: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' done --t - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:47:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' On Sun, 27 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -39492,15 +34512,10 @@ On Sun, 27 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:48:29 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles Stephen, @@ -39511,21 +34526,11 @@ I had a typo in my command line. We should be able to do git-pulls from now on which will greatly simplify the task. -Tim - - - - - - - - \start +Date: 27 May 2007 21:49:24 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 May 2007 21:49:24 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -39537,16 +34542,10 @@ Oops: I should have said: axiom-commit@lists.sf.net ^^^^^ - --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 27 May 2007 23:03:26 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: backslash-newline in Makefiles Tim Daly writes: @@ -39564,18 +34563,10 @@ This is great news. Many thanks. > Thanks, > Tim -Steve - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:14:18 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcegxAri7j+YUIhjTvSJapWoG07v1gACL3GQ -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: RE: wiki AxiomSources page Steve, @@ -39629,21 +34620,13 @@ page with that name. Yes I would be glad to do this if absolutely necessary but I would much prefer for you to be able to do it yourself. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 27 May 2007 23:26:07 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: wiki AxiomSources page -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > You need a user id and password assigned that allows you to bypass > the spam restrictions. I would be very glad to assign such a user > id and password for you. Please send me the user id and initial @@ -39659,16 +34642,10 @@ Ok absolutely. Yes, I would be glad to do it myself. Thanks for offering the access! -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:28:59 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' Gaby, @@ -39678,19 +34655,10 @@ Gaby, fixed. --t - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:45:57 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' Gaby, @@ -39699,22 +34667,10 @@ I made a commit that simply adds some explicit lines to the CHANGELOG to document the particular files touched so we can see if the new changes are showing up on the sourceforge list. -t - - - - - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:51:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Axiom silver branch: Changes to 'master' On Sun, 27 May 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -39750,15 +34706,10 @@ soliton[22:47]% head axiom/CHANGELOG ~/src/Axiom/daly 20070518 tpd src/interp/sys-pkg.lisp import VMLISP::AXIOM-PROBE-FILE You have new mail. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:41:16 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? Ralf, @@ -39772,8 +34723,6 @@ SVN/git. The main gold version will continue using the ARCH/CVS tools. The only "end-user visible" systems should be the ARCH/CVS versions. - - > I still don't see a good structure. A good structure is related to your style of code development. Which @@ -39815,26 +34764,12 @@ Linux lived and grew using this method despite having hundreds of developers using many different systems. It is suboptimal but it works everywhere. -t - - - - - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page, - Stephen Wilson -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +To: Bill Page, Stephen Wilson Subject: RE: wiki AxiomSources page - --- Bill Page wrote: > But so far he has not made these changes. @@ -39842,23 +34777,11 @@ Subject: RE: wiki AxiomSources page I apologize for this - I am traveling this weekend and have not had the chance to do it. I will take care of it when I get back. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Never miss an email again! -Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - - \start Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Which source distributions should we list? To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: re: Which source distributions should we list? --- Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -39894,20 +34817,10 @@ Tier3: The "archive" page, listing all branches and systems tried with Axiom. If anyone gets that far, presumably they know what they are doing. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:31:43 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? Bill, @@ -39935,9 +34848,6 @@ will be for Gaby to extract, document, test, and export the changeset necessary to make this happen. Right now it lives on his private branch. - - - > Anyway as I understand it, right now Tim is manually updating > both the git repository on axiom-developer and the "daly" branch > on SVN in parallel. That does not sound like a particularly @@ -39953,28 +34863,16 @@ I've added git this year. It really matters much less than we think since all of these systems work perfectly well with diff and patch. - - - > There's got to be a better way, right? Why? Even Linus has to deal with multiple systems. I understand that not all of his "lieutenants" use git and that some still send him tgz files. -t - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:49:45 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? Cliff, @@ -40032,19 +34930,10 @@ one, work with it. Post your diff-Naur changesets. Since this is a common format that works with everything we can all apply the changes to our own repositories. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:11:51 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Which source distributions should we list? Cliff, @@ -40083,18 +34972,11 @@ silver first and go thru a testing cycle. If you really want to use git (which I encourage) and you want a git copy of Gold there is a git-arch or git-cvs command to clone it. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:25:47 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Which source distributions should we list? -Cc: list >> 3. Silver is moving from arch to Git .... > @@ -40147,16 +35029,11 @@ agree on something. To be honest, I don't like diff-Naur, if I have a SCM at hand. It sounds like washing the dishes by hand though you have a dishwasher. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:37:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -40221,18 +35098,11 @@ that such bindings are visible to eval. The '#' part made me suspicious, but testing indicate that in sbcl code works as expected. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:51:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -Cc: list On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -40263,15 +35133,11 @@ On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: The above shows that |#1| is *declared*. But whereis it defined? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 28 May 2007 08:10:19 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: re: Which source distributions should we list? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 May 2007 08:10:19 -0500 Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -40293,16 +35159,11 @@ I tried this week-end, but gave up for when I have more time. It is a community effort branch. A look at the ChangeLogs will suffice to convince you that many active people here contribute to it. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:30:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -40370,18 +35231,11 @@ to undefined variables, loosing them also when variable name is spelled incorrectly. I would prefer to have in a _single_ place explicit DEFVAR/DEFPARAMETER declaration and in all other places use SETQ. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -Cc: list On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -40393,12 +35247,6 @@ On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: | | | | definition declaration -Sorry, I missed this. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:46:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -40438,17 +35286,11 @@ We don't have a file "call.boot" for all function calls we make, for "eq-comparison.boot" for all "eq compare" we do. Let's organize the codes logically. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:24:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -40507,12 +35349,6 @@ reference global values bound to symbols. "Interesting" here means that the Lisp compiler can issue sensible diagnostics about undefined values. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:48:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -40567,15 +35403,10 @@ Yes; I would rather automate that process through bootsys for example. The automation will also takes care of the differences between CLISP, SBCL and GCL, etc. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:19:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: RE: Leo, LP and Axiom At: @@ -40706,18 +35537,10 @@ in a separate branch of Leo development? Thanks again for offering to work with me on using Leo with Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:43:12 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page, - Stephen Wilson -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +To: Bill Page, Stephen Wilson Subject: AxiomSources OK, I have made an initial stab at an updated AxiomSources page. I @@ -40741,18 +35564,11 @@ Anyway, I invite any and all to revert/edit/update what I've put up. Any mistakes in maintainer identifications are unintentional and I apologize in advance for any errors. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start +Date: 28 May 2007 21:55:10 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: AxiomSources - <465B9340.6080904@yahoo.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 May 2007 21:55:10 -0500 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -40789,17 +35605,11 @@ For Git, read the manual. Thansk for doing this, Cliff! --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:56:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 -Subject: Fwd: [sage-devel] NSF white paper draft - call - for comments +From: Bill Page +To: list +Subject: Fwd: [sage-devel] NSF white paper draft - call for comments Axiom Developers; @@ -40820,10 +35630,6 @@ detail than the other open source systems mentioned in the paper. Should other projects be asking for "equal time" in such a document or should each project submit a white paper of it's own? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - ----- Forwarded message from David Joyner ----- Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:39:23 -0400 From: David Joyner @@ -40841,49 +35647,23 @@ http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wdj/research/oscas-nsf-white-paper2.pdf Comments would be greatly appreciated. Please be as critical as you like. -- David Joyner - ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ -To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com -To unsubscribe from this group, send email to -sage-devel-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com -For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel -URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ --~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- - - - ------ End forwarded message ----- - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp - <465B9340.6080904@yahoo.com> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 28 May 2007 23:08:36 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: AxiomSources - Thanks Cliff! I'll be editing the page to include a reference to the Axisp branch. Unfortunately I cannot help with the tarball issue. -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 28 May 2007 23:12:48 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: AxiomSources - <465B9340.6080904@yahoo.com> <87ps4kl4oh.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 May 2007 23:12:48 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | When making a tarball release, it is customary to strip out all the @@ -40898,22 +35678,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: For Git, do: git archive --format=tar --prefix=FOO HEAD | gzip > FOO.tar.gz - -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Fwd: [sage-devel] NSF white paper draft - call - for comments -To: Bill Page, - "list" -Cc: - +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Fwd: [sage-devel] NSF white paper draft - call for comments --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -40960,32 +35729,18 @@ Mathematica and Maple's revenue comes from academia (who would probably use a free CAS even w/o commercial support) or industry (who are probably more likely to take the commercially supported solution.) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 29 May 2007 00:09:28 -0400 -Cc: +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Axisp News - I have introduced a new wiki page giving a minimal overview of the axisp branch: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxispBranch - After giving some more thought to how I expect my work to progress, I have modified the layout of the axisp repo on axiom-developer. For anyone who has cloned this repository, I suggest one does a fresh @@ -41020,21 +35775,11 @@ contribute back to Silver in a gracious manner without concern of merge conflicts. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 02:16:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -Cc: list On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -41043,16 +35788,11 @@ On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: Have you tried this variant? It looks "reasonable" to me. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:07:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -41071,17 +35811,10 @@ There is a little problem with parentheses, it should be: Using version above compiler warnings go away. But I did not put it trough full test cycle. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Igor Khavkine -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 May 2007 15:06:20 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org +From: Martin Rubey +To: Igor Khavkine Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] BasicOperator's %eval property Igor Khavkine writes: @@ -41126,13 +35859,6 @@ any case, currently evaluate(op,args)$BasicOperatorFunctions1(%) blows op. Could you add it to IssueTracker, please? -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 07:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -41156,23 +35882,10 @@ Sacla - A partical Common Lisp implementation written in Common Lisp. License: 2-clause BSD http://homepage1.nifty.com/bmonkey/lisp/sacla/index-en.html - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:08:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - <9qlkf7skst.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: "list" Subject: Re: Going mad with pattern matching Quoting Martin Rubey (transferred from axiom-mail): @@ -41213,23 +35926,13 @@ of the | "suchthat" notation in patterns? Given that what you wrote works, I am more confident that really this is intended to work using the | notation. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <9qlkf7skst.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <20070529120805.yuxo17re8cdco08o@webmail.anikast.ca> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 May 2007 18:46:43 +0200 -Cc: "list" +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Going mad with pattern matching -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Ok. Do you think we should generate an bug report for the use of the | > "suchthat" notation in patterns? Given that what you wrote works, I am more @@ -41239,36 +35942,21 @@ Yes, it certainly should work. I do not know, unfortunately, how this kind of definition works. Note that there is another place where "==" is "abused", namely for optional arguments. I'm afraid that it's built into the parser. -Martin - - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 29 May 2007 17:10:16 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: CCL maintenance. - *, Are any of the current maintainers working with CCL at all? Is maintaining compatability with this Lisp of importance to anyone? - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:47:29 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "list" - charset=UTF-8 +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: RE: Leo, LP and Axiom Here is another installment of my continuing discussion with @@ -41359,19 +36047,12 @@ might already address this points. Thanks for listening/reading to yet another overly long post on this subject. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:01:40 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Axiom and common lisp tools - 1) A web server to front Axiom in common lisp (Sman) This is a web server written in common lisp. @@ -41413,16 +36094,11 @@ term to have a fully functional common-lisp-only based portable Axiom. The end result is cross-platform and both locally (Doyen) or remotely accessible. -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom and common lisp tools -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: --- Tim Daly wrote: @@ -41466,24 +36142,11 @@ achieve what we are after. > term to have a fully functional common-lisp-only based portable > Axiom. -Very nice! - -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. -http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 09:13:25 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom and common lisp tools -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 30 May 2007 09:13:25 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -41505,18 +36168,11 @@ little angry, I must confess. By the way, if you start replacing LaTeX by something else, you are going to loose me. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -To: Stephen Wilson Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:13:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel - +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. > > *, @@ -41548,20 +36204,11 @@ GPL incompatible. Big disadvantage is lack of Ansi compatibility. Clisp is also quite portable, so it is possible that CCL offers no advantages over clisp (but this requires more analysis). ---- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 06:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-devel - --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -41584,24 +36231,11 @@ well advised to take a look at Allegro. I think the main issue there is the performance of Clisp, which IIRC is quite slow compared to CMUCL et. al. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start -Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:20:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. C Y wrote: > > Clisp is also quite portable, so it is possible that CCL offers @@ -41619,19 +36253,11 @@ Both Clisp and CCL are bytecode interpreters, so for can not be very fast, but are faster than many folks would think hearing "interpreter". ATM I can not say which one is faster CCL or clisp. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 06:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel - +Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. --- Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -41658,24 +36284,11 @@ if someone wants to go commercial closed source with Axiom they are allowed to, but we don't have to do all the work to make it easy for them. Just MHO. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 11:37:40 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 11:37:40 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel - Hello Waldek, @@ -41731,19 +36344,11 @@ the need myself to analyze CCL to figure Clisp has all the advantages. At this time, I am all for dropping CLL support. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 11:41:25 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 11:41:25 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -41769,20 +36374,11 @@ limmited to that class of programs which do on the fly compilation as their main computation. Clisp has an simple, non-optimizing, blindingly-fast bytecode compiler. -Steve - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" , - "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:15:53 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acei0HJtX8TETToXTHiRvdWTq/0n4QAA+Mwg -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. On May 30, 2007 11:38 AM Stephen Wilson > @@ -41846,20 +36442,10 @@ member of this email list. *If* we were to choose to continue some support for Axiom in CCL I think he might be interested and may be quite flexible about license issues. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:44:46 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Axiom and common lisp tools Martin, @@ -42047,18 +36633,13 @@ just make everything into latex. I can't imagine why you think i might start replacing latex. -Tim - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 30 May 2007 12:47:55 -0400 -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On May 30, 2007 11:38 AM Stephen Wilson > > @@ -42168,24 +36749,10 @@ I probably should not have made a satement about the licence anyways. But any input from Arthur would certainly be appreciated. -> -> > ... -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:10:47 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: CCL maintenance Stephen, @@ -42207,19 +36774,13 @@ no longer a "full" common lisp. The direction is clearly ANSI in the long term. So I'd have to conclude that CCL is unlikely to be of importance in the future of Axiom. -Tim - - - - \start -Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -To: Stephen Wilson Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:22:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > As part of the open source release NAG (Mike Dewar) claimed that > > they had delivered Axiom to Tim Daly in a form that would compile > > using CCL on Linux. I have never tested this and I think it would @@ -42236,21 +36797,11 @@ To make things clear: version on NAG cdrom builds algebra from Lisp files. To rebuild algebra from spad soureces would require extra effort. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:07:03 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acei3xgney7yE3AlTWG5uT/N2owdxwAHsSkg -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. On May 30, 2007 1:22 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -42273,21 +36824,12 @@ sources are compiled in the normal way. Do you mean that the NAG open source release cdrom does not contain the makefile logic necessary to compile the spad sources? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:12:05 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: CCL maintenance -Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:12:05 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acei3XeEJ6SApuRmQaSWAm6Fs9qpDwAIQ9aw -Cc: list, 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On May 30, 2007 1:11 PM Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -42305,21 +36847,11 @@ as the basis for an Axiom-specific runtime optimized especially to efficiently support Axiom. From this point of view ANSI compatibility is completely irrelevant. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Stephen Wilson'" -Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:29:49 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acei2j8vaO4r1NrHSouo+KgL65fFxwAJPEiA -Cc: 'axiom-devel' +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. On May 30, 2007 12:48 PM Stephen Wilson wrote: > ... @@ -42430,19 +36962,11 @@ was going to be a faster way to that goal until Mike Thomas solved the last remaining problems with Axiom and GCL in that environment. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:45:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page Subject: RE: CCL maintenance -Cc: list On Wed, 30 May 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -42468,15 +36992,10 @@ I would strongly encourage Axiomatizers to apply the process of abstraction, dear to working mathematicians, to the Axiom system. I conjecture that only that way you can expect quite and full control over Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:52:50 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: CCL maintenance Bill, @@ -42492,22 +37011,14 @@ in the *.input.pamphlet files reflect the values from the commercial version. More work will go into this once I move further in trying to merge the algebra changes. -Tim - - - \start Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:30:06 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. -Cc: 'axiom-devel' - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 18:30:29 -0400 --text follows this line-- -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > On May 30, 2007 12:48 PM Stephen Wilson wrote: > > ... @@ -42627,20 +37138,11 @@ ANSI defines the basic shape shape of the language for me, as for most Lisp developers and compiler writers. Its only natural that we move to converge on this standard. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 18:34:48 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CCL maintenance - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 18:34:48 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > I would strongly encourage Axiomatizers to apply the process of abstraction, @@ -42649,18 +37151,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: I couldn't agree more. -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 18:36:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axiom and common lisp tools - <9qiraaiy22.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 May 2007 18:36:47 -0500 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -42690,17 +37185,11 @@ Martin -- This is Axiom; it does not matter what Axiom users think. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 18:50:09 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 May 2007 18:50:09 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -42716,17 +37205,11 @@ Axiom code base. Please, don't tell me you're not concerned about wasting developer's time. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 18:51:25 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. - <87r6oygw57.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 30 May 2007 18:51:25 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -42737,18 +37220,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: That would not bother me. I never built Axiom with CCL and I'm not going to start soon. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 20:09:21 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 20:09:21 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > The slowness of GCL is another irritating aspect of working on current @@ -42775,21 +37251,11 @@ drop significantly as well. In short, I dont blame GCL for axioms long build times. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 20:12:04 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. - <87r6oygw57.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87zm3lc1ky.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 20:12:04 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > That would not bother me. I never built Axiom with CCL and I'm not @@ -42801,22 +37267,11 @@ I will be removing CCL support incrementally as I work, and post a changeset against silver down the road. Assuming comparable work is not being done in parallel. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:17:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Wed, 30 May 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -42862,20 +37317,11 @@ written in Lisp. Lisp is just too low level. For one thing, the verbosity (I'm not talking of parenthesis) obscures the main ideas; its primitivity drags further down. But, I've said enough on the subject already. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 20:36:38 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: CCL maintenance. - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 20:36:38 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -42935,28 +37381,17 @@ I believe we are polar opposites in the way we see Lisp. Im not out to convert anyone. - -Steve - - - - - - - \start +Date: 30 May 2007 23:32:33 -0400 To: axiom-devel From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 May 2007 23:32:33 -0400 Subject: Gone Fishing - *, Im going for an all-too-short vacation without a computer in sight for miles around. I'll be back the beginning of next week. - I would like to extend a big Thank-You to everyone for allowing me to dive back into the foray. Despite the divergent opinions, the debates, the `unfocused' traits some (including myself) have noticed @@ -42969,27 +37404,12 @@ Thanks to everyone for making this outstanding effort live! For me, Axiom is more philosophy than program. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - - - \start +Date: 31 May 2007 06:39:53 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 31 May 2007 06:39:53 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -43004,21 +37424,11 @@ commercial and available only to few. Thus, if anybody knows, PLEASE show me how to activate the NAG link! -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 31 May 2007 08:26:05 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Mike Dewar Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q6469li7a.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 31 May 2007 08:26:05 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel Dear Mike, @@ -43050,26 +37460,13 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > commercial and available only to few. > > Thus, if anybody knows, PLEASE show me how to activate the NAG link! -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start +Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:53:45 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries -Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:53:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear Martin, @@ -43087,11 +37484,6 @@ Regarding the NAGlib link, I expect this interface could attract more users - e.g. NAGlib users to use Axiom as interface option and thus help to gain publicity. -Best regards, - -Gernot - - Martin Rubey writes: > Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -43106,31 +37498,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > commercial and available only to few. > > Thus, if anybody knows, PLEASE show me how to activate the NAG link! -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - \start +Date: 31 May 2007 12:05:02 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q6469li7a.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <20070531085345.295.qmail@mail.xmt.at> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 31 May 2007 12:05:02 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel Gernot Hueber writes: @@ -43148,17 +37521,11 @@ Gernot Hueber writes: Have you been able to use the NAGlink? -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: NAG libraries -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:06:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: NAG libraries Martin Rubey wrote: > Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -43184,18 +37551,10 @@ Mike Dewar was slightly discouraging: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2006-12/msg00092.html - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 May 2007 12:20:01 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom and common lisp tools Tim Daly writes: @@ -43287,17 +37646,11 @@ file managed by polymake. Very likely this interface will change some day.) It seems to me that you are thinking of EXPR INT only. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 31 May 2007 12:22:24 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: NAG libraries -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 31 May 2007 12:22:24 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Waldek, @@ -43317,17 +37670,11 @@ work, that is. Do you have access to the NAG libraries? -Martin - - - - \start +Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:16:47 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries -Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:16:47 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel No, I don't have the library. @@ -43336,34 +37683,27 @@ Gernot Martin Rubey writes: > Gernot Hueber writes: -> ->> Dear Martin, I agree with you, but from a somewhat different point of view. ->> There are several highly interesting and important libraries in addition to ->> NAGlib (e.g. atlas, lapack, gnu scientific library, ...) which are very nice to ->> have being accessible from within Axiom. Some of these are Fortran, others C, ->> or C++. ->> Anyway, the naglink provides many routines providing utilities and showing how ->> to call external library functions. IMHO this interface packages should be ->> extended to a more general solution of accessing _any_ external math ->> libraries. Regarding the NAGlib link, I expect this interface could attract ->> more users - e.g. NAGlib users to use Axiom as interface option and thus help ->> to gain publicity. Best regards, Gernot Martin Rubey writes: -> -> Have you been able to use the NAGlink? -> -> Martin -> - - - +>> Dear Martin, I agree with you, but from a somewhat different point +>> of view. There are several highly interesting and important +>> libraries in addition to NAGlib (e.g. atlas, lapack, gnu scientific +>> library, ...) which are very nice to have being accessible from +>> within Axiom. Some of these are Fortran, others C, or C++. Anyway, +>> the naglink provides many routines providing utilities and showing +>> how to call external library functions. IMHO this interface +>> packages should be extended to a more general solution of accessing +>> _any_ external math libraries. Regarding the NAGlib link, I expect +>> this interface could attract more users - e.g. NAGlib users to use +>> Axiom as interface option and thus help to gain publicity. Best +>> regards, Gernot Martin Rubey writes: + +> Have you been able to use the NAGlink? \start +Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:28:24 +0200 From: Gernot Hueber To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries -Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:28:24 +0200 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: @@ -43395,32 +37735,11 @@ matrices. Furthermore, this approach depends on gcl (on the other hand, gcl does not yet support the lisp foreign function interface) -Gernot - - -> -> Do you have access to the NAG libraries? -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:33:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Going mad with pattern matching - <9qy7j74lxo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: "list" Sorry Martin, I haven't followed this thread, but when you say "abused", does that have something to do with the use of default arguments? @@ -43436,7 +37755,7 @@ http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap6.html#4 Ralf On 05/29/2007 06:46 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: -> "Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> Ok. Do you think we should generate an bug report for the use of the | >> "suchthat" notation in patterns? Given that what you wrote works, I am more @@ -43445,18 +37764,13 @@ On 05/29/2007 06:46 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Yes, it certainly should work. I do not know, unfortunately, how this kind of > definition works. Note that there is another place where "==" is "abused", > namely for optional arguments. I'm afraid that it's built into the parser. -> -> Martin - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 31 May 2007 06:55:31 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: [build-improvements] NOISE - I removed uses of NOISE from the makefiles. It is a terrible way of implementing verbosity/non-verbosity. It has proven many times to be confusing to people -- we had had report of users waiting for 48 @@ -43470,20 +37784,11 @@ If there is a popular demand, I can look into implementing some configure-time verbosity switch, but NOISE is a terrible way of doing things. - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 31 May 2007 14:47:49 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Going mad with pattern matching - <9qlkf7skst.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <20070529120805.yuxo17re8cdco08o@webmail.anikast.ca> - <9qy7j74lxo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <465EB2A5.8040607@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 31 May 2007 14:47:49 +0200 -Cc: "list" Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -43507,24 +37812,11 @@ word. I should have said: "==" is not only used for constant assignment (in SPAD: function definition). So far I know of two exceptions: rules and optional (or rather, default) arguments. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:59:29 +0100 From: Mike Dewar To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q6469li7a.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qr6ox1pc2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-devel - -Hi Martin, I think you have the code but - as somebody already pointed out - I wouldn't advise resurrecting it. Back when it was written we were @@ -43575,43 +37867,10 @@ On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:26:05AM +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > commercial and available only to few. > > > > Thus, if anybody knows, PLEASE show me how to activate the NAG link! -> > -> > Martin -> > -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> ________________________________________________________________________ -> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. -> ________________________________________________________________________ - --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Mike Dewar email: Mike Dewar - Chief Technical Officer phone: (+44) 1865 518055 - NAG Ltd fax: (+44) 1865 310139 - Wilkinson House, Jordan Hill Rd, Oxford, OX2 8DR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -________________________________________________________________________ -The Numerical Algorithms Group Ltd is a company registered in England -and Wales with company number 1249803. The registered office is: -Wilkinson House, Jordan Hill Road, Oxford OX2 8DR, United Kingdom. - -This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is -powered by MessageLabs. -________________________________________________________________________ - - \start Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:26:03 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: wh-sandbox and aldor @@ -43665,21 +37924,15 @@ wh-sandbox/int/aldor/gendeps/AF.dep: File not found should I try another branch? If yes, which one? -thanks, -Franz - - - \start -To: Franz Lehner -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -From: Martin Rubey Date: 31 May 2007 19:32:53 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor Dear Franz, -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: > since apparently there is no amd64 binary package I tried to compile one > myself and started with wh-sandbox. It finished after 12 hours (with @@ -43762,13 +38015,10 @@ make # if build stops complaining that "no rule to make target ... axlit ", check version of make again - - - \start Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:03:05 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: HyperDocReplacement Has anyone been able to run Martin's code in @@ -43804,17 +38054,10 @@ Cannot rename the file "p "HYPER.erlib" to #p"HYPER.NRLIB" If anybody ran the code without problem, please let me know to see what I am doing wrong. -Thank you, - -Alfredo - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:02:30 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Hyperdoc on windows The following question was raised about hyperdoc on windows. diff --git a/book/2007-06.txt b/book/2007-06.txt index 058973b..4f46a72 100644 --- a/book/2007-06.txt +++ b/book/2007-06.txt @@ -1,9 +1,8 @@ \start +Date: 01 Jun 2007 08:26:07 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Hyperdoc on windows -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 01 Jun 2007 08:26:07 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -30,20 +29,11 @@ assumption is correct? Would be great! -Martin - - - - \start -To: Franz Lehner , - Peter Broadbery -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor - <9qsl9cq4oq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Jun 2007 10:36:45 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Franz Lehner, Peter Broadbery +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor --=-=-= @@ -339,14 +329,9 @@ make # if build stops complaining that "no rule to make target ... axlit ", check version of make again ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:44:29 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor (fwd) @@ -658,22 +643,12 @@ fv93f+Xv/ctf/vT1+3/8y09f//in33/T/vAfPz5Mfpl/uv/h6//84b/+/Zvv --461446550-125466476-1180679951=:27758-- - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:01:34 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor - <9qsl9cq4oq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qabvkm5pe.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-devel - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. - ---461446550-175242582-1180692094=:26415 > /home/lehner/usr/local/src/axiom/ax-build/src/aldor/x86_64-unknown-linux/bin/ @@ -984,14 +959,11 @@ elyP63E9rsf1uB7X43pcj+txPa7H9fh/fvw3ssgXhQBAAQA= --461446550-175242582-1180692094=:26415-- - - \start -Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement -To: Alfredo Portes Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement Alfredo Portes wrote: > Has anyone been able to run Martin's code in @@ -1029,19 +1001,12 @@ and HYPER.erlib renamed to HYPER.NRLIB. Currently HYPER.NRLIB is removed using "rm -r" command, which may fail on Windows. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:57:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel , - Franz Lehner +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor +Cc: Franz Lehner Martin, Franz, @@ -1062,20 +1027,11 @@ some directory names one quickly gets completly bogus paths. However once a few toplevel paths are fixed other parts should be easy. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey -Subject: RE: Hyperdoc on windows Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:23:41 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcekFcwrGfjMb1iCTEOK8ZHq7iLkMwAUWI4g -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: RE: Hyperdoc on windows On June 1, 2007 2:26 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -1140,20 +1096,10 @@ recently created by Alfredo, install both Virtual PC, Xming and putty, then you can run all of Axiom "virtually" under windows. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:18:06 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - axiom-dev - -Cc: +To: Waldek Hebisch, Subject: Re: Compile Error Hi Waldek, @@ -1177,20 +1123,11 @@ Hi Waldek, The patch worked, thanks. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 01 Jun 2007 12:49:53 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Compile Error - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 01 Jun 2007 12:49:53 -0500 -Cc: axiom-dev Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -1218,22 +1155,11 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: Does this also fix the problem you reported to me earlier on build-improvements? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:01:51 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Compile Error - boundary="----=_Part_484_25242863.1180720911190" - - - <87ejkvy37i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev - -------=_Part_484_25242863.1180720911190 Hi Gaby, @@ -1781,17 +1707,11 @@ bmUgUEFDS0FHRV9WRVJTSU9OICIyMDA3LTA1LTMxIgojZGVmaW5lIFNURENfSEVBREVSUyAxCgpj b25maWd1cmU6IGV4aXQgMAo= ------=_Part_484_25242863.1180720911190-- - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:20:59 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - -Cc: axiom-dev - -Martin, I recompiled wh-sandbox and it seems to work fine the first two steps. However I get @@ -1814,18 +1734,12 @@ this: Of course it can be that this is not the way to run it. -Thank you, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Subject: re: Compile Error -To: Alfredo Portes Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:41:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Compile Error +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Also regarding the X libraries problem, I get the same problem > in wh-sandbox. Even when the headers are installed, hyperdoc... @@ -1847,19 +1761,12 @@ In the log I see: which means that configure can not find libXpm. If you really have libXpm can you tell us where it lives? --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:52:56 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Compile Error - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Waldek, @@ -1894,22 +1801,12 @@ A search in my box for libXpm yields: /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4.11.0 -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch, - "'Alfredo Portes'" Alfredo Portes -Subject: RE: Re: Compile Error Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:52:50 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcekfHppOH8v6Nk0Q6mZhhgznZybMgAAOAXw -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch, Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Compile Error +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On June 1, 2007 2:41 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -1942,20 +1839,12 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/306LibXpmAIsInUsrLibUnderUbuntu Perhaps this helps? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:57:06 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Compile Error - <00ad01c7a47e$17851260$6900a8c0@asus> -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Thanks Bill. @@ -1971,39 +1860,23 @@ Wasn't this patch committed some time ago? > Regards, > Bill Page. -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:59:07 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Compile Error - - - <87ejkvy37i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-dev - -Hi Gaby, > Does this also fix the problem you reported to me earlier on > build-improvements? build-improvements builds fine now with the patch. Thank you. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -Subject: re: Compile Error -To: Alfredo Portes Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:06:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: re: Compile Error +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Hi Waldek, > @@ -2043,19 +1916,12 @@ I do not see libXpm.a here -- it looks that you miss development version of libXpm (needed for linking new programs). Installing libxpm-dev should fix this. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:12:02 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Compile Error - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > I do not see libXpm.a here -- it looks that you miss development version > of libXpm (needed for linking new programs). Installing libxpm-dev should @@ -2067,18 +1933,11 @@ Do you think configure should be more verbose about it? The checking for X... libraries , headers in standard search path message made me think that everything was ok. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:22:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Compile Error -Cc: axiom-dev On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -2106,19 +1965,11 @@ I was punting on that issue. It looks like it is time to properly solve it. Since it works on my systems, I would need some platforms where it is an issue. I'll try to see whether one of the machines at SF does the job. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:24:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Compile Error - - -Cc: axiom-dev On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -2126,21 +1977,15 @@ On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: Yes, unambiguously. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" , Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Jun 2007 08:46:04 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions - and drawing, integrating, ... +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... Dear Bill, -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/358VariableIsApparentlyAlwaysAssumedToBePosi > tive @@ -2165,19 +2010,11 @@ different signatures yields the same result. Well, that's probably reasonable. I guess we can close the issue. Maybe we should rename it though? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au - <200706011418.08522.Themos Tsikas> - <9qd50fs92v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Jun 2007 10:28:33 +0200 -Cc: Themos Tsikas, axiom-devel , - axiom-mail@nongnu.org +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Cc: Themos Tsikas Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A pattern matching question Dear Themos, Alasdair, @@ -2222,15 +2059,10 @@ suchThat without sugar, axiom does the right thing: t Type: Expression Integer - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch , - Tim Daly, bill.page@xplornet.com -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Jun 2007 15:18:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, Tim Daly, Bill Page Subject: Patches --=-=-= @@ -2540,30 +2372,17 @@ Waldek: do you prefer if I commit to your branch myself, or is this form good for you, too? -Many thanks, - -Martin - ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:21:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9qr6ouj1lf.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Bill Page , - axiom-devel , - Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions - and drawing, integrating, ... +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... +Cc: Bill Page Bill Page, Alasdair McAndrew On 06/02/2007 08:46 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Bill, > -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/358VariableIsApparentlyAlwaysAssumedToBePosi >> tive @@ -2603,16 +2422,10 @@ Yes, I think it is even good to show "error messages" and explain why they appear. If you deal with some software and often find that it behaves differently from what you expect, you get frustrated. -Ralf - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:49:15 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Bug #355 Martin, @@ -2621,15 +2434,10 @@ Thanks for the diff-Naur patch for bug #355. I'll apply it today and start a new build/test cycle. If it passes I'll push it out to silver. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Jun 2007 21:41:01 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Bug #355 Tim Daly writes: @@ -2642,16 +2450,10 @@ Tim Daly writes: and how about #312? -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:44:25 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: bug #355 Martin, @@ -2681,15 +2483,10 @@ I'll attaack bug #312 next and start another build/test cycle. I'm trying to maintain individual changesets, one per fix. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:14:11 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Porting to windows, Services for Unix Does anyone have any experience with Microsoft's Services for Unix (SFU) @@ -2701,17 +2498,10 @@ and report the results. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'axiom-dev'" Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:37:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcelmOai1rLQkhWIRoG/w6BsclmJqw== -Cc: +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: problem plotting simple functions After building Axiom from a recent version of wh-sandbox @@ -2750,33 +2540,20 @@ graphics examples in hyperdoc. Can anyone else reproduce this? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:06:52 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: problem plotting simple functions Bill, All 4 cases work in silver. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:55:12 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: bug #312 Martin, @@ -2784,18 +2561,11 @@ Martin, The patch you posted on sttaylor fails to patch. Can you create a diff-Naur against silver or gold? -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 02:50:09 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: problem plotting simple functions -Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 02:50:09 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcelnP4adjY8VoGbT1eKfa+EbdR4agADdBjQ -Cc: list On June 3, 2007 1:07 AM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -2813,19 +2583,11 @@ platform or just this revision. I will try revision 580 on SuSE in the next few days. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:56:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page Subject: Re: problem plotting simple functions -Cc: 'axiom-dev' Oh, interesting, @@ -2878,25 +2640,11 @@ On 06/03/2007 06:37 AM, Bill Page wrote: > graphics examples in hyperdoc. > > Can anyone else reproduce this? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 Jun 2007 10:56:31 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: bug #312 Tim Daly writes: @@ -2906,20 +2654,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: the patch you need is on IssueTracker. The patch I posted is for Waldek. -Martin - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:44:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcelyDe12M/FOK7pR+SBlsFyPYWRMgAO675w -Cc: list -Subject: RE: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, - integrating, ... +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: RE: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... Note: Continued from discussion on axiom-mail. @@ -3007,18 +2746,10 @@ form: Then:Expression Integer, Else:Expression Integer):Expression Integer -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:15:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: problem plotting simple functions Bill Page wrote: @@ -3061,16 +2792,10 @@ the error happended and how we got there. To get out of debugger type '(quit)' -- that is call Lisp function quit. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:43:06 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: axiom-devel +From: Franz Lehner +To: list Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor, now silver Dear all, @@ -3131,17 +2856,11 @@ it does compile, but then leads to and consequently no results are shown. Is there a way to fix this? -Franz - - - \start Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:56:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list -Subject: Re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, - integrating, ... +Subject: Re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... On 06/03/2007 07:44 PM, Bill Page wrote: > Note: Continued from discussion on axiom-mail. @@ -3338,61 +3057,54 @@ another syntax. ;-) ). Aldor's LibAlgebra defines a domain ExpressionTree. But that is certainly not yet perfect. -Ralf - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: problem plotting simple functions Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:05:34 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemE5bs43T1TWCcT+uhxTYV3RzvzgAFvLmQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: problem plotting simple functions On June 3, 2007 3:15 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: ->=20 +> > Bill Page wrote: > > After building Axiom from a recent version of wh-sandbox > > (revision 580) I get the following error. The first draw > > command works fine but simpler examples fail: -> >=20 -> > (1) -> draw(sin(x*y),x=3D-5..5,y=3D-5..5) +> > +> > (1) -> draw(sin(x*y),x=-5..5,y=-5..5) > > Compiling function %H with type (DoubleFloat,DoubleFloat) -> > > DoubleFloat > > Transmitting data... -> >=20 +> > > > (1) ThreeDimensionalViewport: "sin x*y" > > Type: > > ThreeDimensionalViewport -> > (2) -> draw(sin(x),x=3D-5..5) +> > (2) -> draw(sin(x),x=-5..5) > > Compiling function %J with type DoubleFloat -> DoubleFloat -> >=20 +> > > > >> Error detected within library code: > > Not an integer -> >=20 ->=20 -> I can not reporduce this in my developement version (slightly=20 +> > +> +> I can not reporduce this in my developement version (slightly > different that revision 580). Could you try your example enabling -> Lisp debugger:=20 ->=20 +> Lisp debugger: +> > )lisp (si::use-fast-links nil) > )set break break ->=20 +> > Then try the drawing commands. Insted of message you should see ->=20 +> > BOOT>> ->=20 +> > prompt. Type :bt at the prompt. Do this in a terminal which > has at least few hundreds lines of scrollback or use utility like > script to capture output. You should see the chain of calls > which resulted in error -- this should indicate in which function > the error happended and how we got there. ->=20 +> > To get out of debugger type '(quit)' -- that is call Lisp function > quit. ->=20 +> Thanks. @@ -3424,123 +3136,107 @@ Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ (1) -> )lisp (si::use-fast-links nil) )set break break -Value =3D NIL +Value = NIL (1) -> (1) -> draw(sin,-5.0..5.0) Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/FLOAT.o for domain Float Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/SEG.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/SEG.o for domain Segment Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DFLOAT.o for domain DoubleFloat Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DRAWCFUN.= -o + +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DRAWCFUN.o for package TopLevelDrawFunctionsForCompiledFunctions Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/PLOT.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/PLOT.o for domain Plot Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/POINT.o for domain Point Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/FPS-.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/FPS-.o for domain FloatingPointSystem& Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/RNS-.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/RNS-.o for domain RealNumberSystem& Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DROPT0.o for package DrawOptionFunctions0 Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DROPT1.o for package DrawOptionFunctions1 Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DROPT.o for domain DrawOption Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/ANY.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/ANY.o for domain Any Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/SEX.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/SEX.o for domain SExpression Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/PTPACK.o for package PointPackage Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/TRANFUN-.= -o + +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/TRANFUN-.o for domain TranscendentalFunctionCategory& Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/ELEMFUN-.= -o + +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/ELEMFUN-.o for domain ElementaryFunctionCategory& Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/HYPCAT-.o= +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/HYPCAT-.o for domain HyperbolicFunctionCategory& Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/ATRIG-.o for domain ArcTrigonometricFunctionCategory& Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/TRIGCAT-.= -o + +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/TRIGCAT-.o for domain TrigonometricFunctionCategory& Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/RADCAT-.o= +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/RADCAT-.o for domain RadicalCategory& Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/BASTYPE-.= -o + +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/BASTYPE-.o for domain BasicType& Loading -=20 -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/VECTCAT-.= -o + +/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/VECTCAT-.o for domain VectorCategory& Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/GRDEF.o for package GraphicsDefaults Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/CLIP.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/CLIP.o for package TwoDimensionalPlotClipping Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/LIST2.o for package ListFunctions2 Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/FLAGG2.o for package FiniteLinearAggregateFunctions2 Loading - = -/export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/SEG2.o + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/SEG2.o for package SegmentFunctions2 >> Error detected within library code: @@ -3552,114 +3248,85 @@ Break. Broken at SYSTEM::BREAK-LEVEL. Type :H for Help. BOOT>>:bt -#0 BREAK {loc0=3Dnil,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D#,loc3=3D" -",loc4=3Dnil,loc...} [ihs=3D41] -#1 handleLispBreakLoop {loc0=3D|break|,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D((arg = -(nil))),loc3=3Dnil} -[ihs=3D40] -#2 errorSupervisor1 {loc0=3D|AlgebraError|,loc1=3D"Not an -integer",loc2=3D|break|,loc3=3D"Error detected wit...} [ihs=3D39] -#3 errorSupervisor {loc0=3D|AlgebraError|,loc1=3D"Not an integer"} = -[ihs=3D38] -#4 error {loc0=3D"Not an integer"} [ihs=3D37] -#5 DFLOAT;manexp {loc0=3D-5.0,loc1=3D#,loc2=3D((|Integer|) -$),loc3=3D#,...} [ihs=3D36] -#6 newGoGet {g104406=3D(-5.0 (# 293 . -|mantissa|)),loc1=3D# 63 . -|convert|)),loc1=3D# 162 . -|convert|)),loc1=3D# . -#) #,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D#} [ihs=3D31] -#11 DRAWCFUN;draw;MSTdv;7 {loc0=3D(# . -#),loc1=3D#,loc1=3D(#,loc1=3D(# . # . #,loc1=3D(spadcall (quote -(#,loc1=3D|draw|,loc2=3D(# -(# # = -(# (# # = -(# (# # = -(# (# # (# (#,args=3D(((|carrier| # # ...))),loc2=3D(((# . ...} = -[ihs=3D10] -#30 intloopSpadProcess,interp {loc0=3D((|carrier| (|ok?| . t) -(|ptreePremacro| . #0=3D(|Application| # #)) ...)),l...} [ihs=3D9] -#31 intloopSpadProcess {loc0=3D1,loc1=3D(((# . 1) . -"draw(sin,-5.0..5.0)")),loc2=3D(|Application| ((|id| #) ....} [ihs=3D8] -#32 intloopProcess {loc0=3D1,loc1=3Dt,loc2=3D(((#) (|Application| # = -#)) -|nonnullstream| #,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D0,loc3=3D0,loc4=3Dnil,loc5...} = -[ihs=3D4] +#0 BREAK {loc0=nil,loc1=nil,loc2=#,loc3=" +",loc4=nil,loc...} [ihs=41] +#1 handleLispBreakLoop {loc0=|break|,loc1=nil,loc2=((arg (nil))),loc3=nil} +[ihs=40] +#2 errorSupervisor1 {loc0=|AlgebraError|,loc1="Not an +integer",loc2=|break|,loc3="Error detected wit...} [ihs=39] +#3 errorSupervisor {loc0=|AlgebraError|,loc1="Not an integer"} [ihs=38] +#4 error {loc0="Not an integer"} [ihs=37] +#5 DFLOAT;manexp {loc0=-5.0,loc1=#,loc2=((|Integer|) +$),loc3=#,...} [ihs=36] +#6 newGoGet {g104406=(-5.0 (# 293 . +|mantissa|)),loc1=# 63 . +|convert|)),loc1=# 162 . +|convert|)),loc1=# . +#) #,loc1=nil,loc2=#} [ihs=31] +#11 DRAWCFUN;draw;MSTdv;7 {loc0=(# . +#),loc1=#,loc1=(#,loc1=(# . # . #,loc1=(spadcall (quote +(#,loc1=|draw|,loc2=(# +(# # (# (# # (# (# # (# (# # (# (#,args=(((|carrier| # # ...))),loc2=(((# . ...} [ihs=10] +#30 intloopSpadProcess,interp {loc0=((|carrier| (|ok?| . t) +(|ptreePremacro| . #0=(|Application| # #)) ...)),l...} [ihs=9] +#31 intloopSpadProcess {loc0=1,loc1=(((# . 1) . +"draw(sin,-5.0..5.0)")),loc2=(|Application| ((|id| #) ....} [ihs=8] +#32 intloopProcess {loc0=1,loc1=t,loc2=(((#) (|Application| # #)) +|nonnullstream| #,loc1=nil,loc2=0,loc3=0,loc4=nil,loc5...} [ihs=4] NIL BOOT>>(quit) -bash-3.00$ --------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, - integrating, ... Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:22:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemIbEtAewpTHPpQqWFcyQHmpdakwABxRRQ -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... On June 3, 2007 4:56 PM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -3771,24 +3438,12 @@ Maple in this regard. I think of this as a more sophisticated replacement for SExpression. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start +Date: 03 Jun 2007 18:47:35 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87myzmgvyy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <876469dg7i.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876469hn0u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q6469li7a.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 03 Jun 2007 18:47:35 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hello Martin, @@ -3826,21 +3481,11 @@ with third party libraries. We can only explore the options which exist in open source form. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - - \start +Date: 03 Jun 2007 18:55:14 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: NAG libraries -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 03 Jun 2007 18:55:14 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Hello Waldek, @@ -3849,19 +3494,11 @@ support? I looked at wh-sandbox and it appears to me the NAG components are still extant. Im interested in applying similar changes to the axisp branch. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start -Subject: re: problem plotting simple functions -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:42:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: problem plotting simple functions Bill Page wrote: > On June 3, 2007 3:15 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -3949,22 +3586,11 @@ and earlier: ('T (|error| "Not an integer")))))))) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: NAG libraries -To: Stephen Wilson Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 02:08:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: Re: NAG libraries Stephen Wilson wrote: > Do you happen to have the work you did removing the NAG library @@ -3999,18 +3625,10 @@ them. We also have a lot of Nag support in interp subdirectory -- at least nag* and anna.boot.pamphlet - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:28:02 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: NAG libraries At some point in the future we might want to try to connect to @@ -4022,15 +3640,10 @@ on exposing literate forms of the standard linear algebra libraries. You're correct that we need to think about exposing libraries in general but I have no idea how to do that. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:42:27 -0500 -To: "Franz Lehner" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Franz Lehner Subject: NAG libraries Franz, @@ -4052,13 +3665,11 @@ Tim \start -To: Camm Maguire -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 Jun 2007 20:03:48 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: resuming saved image and value of current package - Hi Camm, I noticed that GCL-2.6.8pre does not preserve *package* @@ -4068,29 +3679,20 @@ preserves the value of *package* when saving image to disk. Do you think it would be workable to have GCL preserve *package* too when save-system? -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Waldek Hebisch'" Waldek Hebisch -Subject: RE: Re: problem plotting simple functions Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:17:04 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemONcR3etYSSA2QWuNOvTDOvcBhAAEe2hA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: re: problem plotting simple functions On June 3, 2007 7:42 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: -> ...=20 +> ... > It seems that error occurs in manexp function. More preciesly, > manexp calls sign function which looks like the only place which > could signal this error. ->=20 +> > Could you try: ->=20 +> > exponent(-5.0)$DoubleFloat Here's the results: @@ -4100,14 +3702,14 @@ Here's the results: (1) -> )set break break (1) -> )lisp (si::use-fast-links nil) -Value =3D NIL +Value = NIL (1) -> exponent(-5.0)$DoubleFloat Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/FLOAT.o for domain Float Loading -=20 + /export/home0/wspage/wh-test/target/i386-pc-solaris2.10/algebra/DFLOAT.o for domain DoubleFloat @@ -4119,95 +3721,72 @@ Break. Broken at SYSTEM::BREAK-LEVEL. Type :H for Help. BOOT>>:bt -#0 BREAK {loc0=3Dnil,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D#,loc3=3D" -",loc4=3Dnil,loc...} [ihs=3D38] -#1 handleLispBreakLoop {loc0=3D|break|,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D((arg = -(nil))),loc3=3Dnil} -[ihs=3D37] -#2 errorSupervisor1 {loc0=3D|AlgebraError|,loc1=3D"Not an -integer",loc2=3D|break|,loc3=3D"Error detected wit...} [ihs=3D36] -#3 errorSupervisor {loc0=3D|AlgebraError|,loc1=3D"Not an integer"} = -[ihs=3D35] -#4 error {loc0=3D"Not an integer"} [ihs=3D34] -#5 DFLOAT;manexp {loc0=3D-5.0,loc1=3D#,loc2=3D((|Integer|) -$),loc3=3D#,...} [ihs=3D33] -#6 DFLOAT;exponent;$I;9 {loc0=3D-5.0,loc1=3D#} = -[ihs=3D32] -#7 FUNCALL {loc0=3D#,loc1=3D-5.0,loc2=3D#,loc1=3D-5.0,loc2=3D# . # . #,loc1=3D(spadcall -5.0 = -(quote -(#,loc1=3D|exponent|,loc2=3D((# (# (# = -(# # #))),loc1=3D#<...} [ihs=3D22] -#15 bottomUpForm3 {loc0=3D(# (# = -(# # #))),loc1=3D#<...} [ihs=3D21] -#16 bottomUpForm {loc0=3D(# (# = -(# # #))),loc1=3D#<...} [ihs=3D20] -#17 bottomUp {loc0=3D(# (# (# # #))),loc1=3D1} [ihs=3D19] -#18 upDollar {loc0=3D(# |DoubleFloat| (# -(# ...} [ihs=3D18] -#19 bottomUp {loc0=3D(# |DoubleFloat| (# -(# ...} [ihs=3D17] -#20 interpret1 {loc0=3D((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 -...))),loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D(|Applic...} [ihs=3D16] -#21 interpret {g104636=3D((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 -...))),loc1=3D(|Application|...} [ihs=3D15] -#22 interpretTopLevel {loc0=3D((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# = -5 0 -...))),loc1=3D(|Application| (|...} [ihs=3D14] -#23 processInteractive1 {loc0=3D((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- = -(# 5 0 -...))),loc1=3D(|Application| (|...} [ihs=3D13] -#24 processInteractive {loc0=3D((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- = -(# 5 0 -...))),loc1=3D(|Application| (|...} [ihs=3D12] -#25 intInterpretPform {loc0=3D(|Application| (|Fromdom| (# . = -|exponent|) (# -. |DoubleFloat|)) (|Applicat...} [ihs=3D11] -#26 ncConversationPhase {fn=3D#,args=3D(((|carrier| # # ...))),loc2=3D(((# . ...} = -[ihs=3D10] -#27 intloopSpadProcess,interp {loc0=3D((|carrier| (|ok?| . t) -(|ptreePremacro| . #0=3D(|Application| # #)) ...)),l...} [ihs=3D9] -#28 intloopSpadProcess {loc0=3D1,loc1=3D(((# . 1) . -"exponent(-5.0)$DoubleFloat")),loc2=3D(|Application| (|Fr...} [ihs=3D8] -#29 intloopProcess {loc0=3D1,loc1=3Dt,loc2=3D(((#) (|Application| # = -#)) -|nonnullstream| #,loc1=3Dnil,loc2=3D0,loc3=3D0,loc4=3Dnil,loc5...} = -[ihs=3D4] +#0 BREAK {loc0=nil,loc1=nil,loc2=#,loc3=" +",loc4=nil,loc...} [ihs=38] +#1 handleLispBreakLoop {loc0=|break|,loc1=nil,loc2=((arg (nil))),loc3=nil} +[ihs=37] +#2 errorSupervisor1 {loc0=|AlgebraError|,loc1="Not an +integer",loc2=|break|,loc3="Error detected wit...} [ihs=36] +#3 errorSupervisor {loc0=|AlgebraError|,loc1="Not an integer"} [ihs=35] +#4 error {loc0="Not an integer"} [ihs=34] +#5 DFLOAT;manexp {loc0=-5.0,loc1=#,loc2=((|Integer|) +$),loc3=#,...} [ihs=33] +#6 DFLOAT;exponent;$I;9 {loc0=-5.0,loc1=#} [ihs=32] +#7 FUNCALL {loc0=#,loc1=-5.0,loc2=#,loc1=-5.0,loc2=# . # . #,loc1=(spadcall -5.0 (quote +(#,loc1=|exponent|,loc2=((# (# (# (# # #))),loc1=#<...} [ihs=22] +#15 bottomUpForm3 {loc0=(# (# (# # #))),loc1=#<...} [ihs=21] +#16 bottomUpForm {loc0=(# (# (# # #))),loc1=#<...} [ihs=20] +#17 bottomUp {loc0=(# (# (# # #))),loc1=1} [ihs=19] +#18 upDollar {loc0=(# |DoubleFloat| (# +(# ...} [ihs=18] +#19 bottomUp {loc0=(# |DoubleFloat| (# +(# ...} [ihs=17] +#20 interpret1 {loc0=((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 +...))),loc1=nil,loc2=(|Applic...} [ihs=16] +#21 interpret {g104636=((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 +...))),loc1=(|Application|...} [ihs=15] +#22 interpretTopLevel {loc0=((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 +...))),loc1=(|Application| (|...} [ihs=14] +#23 processInteractive1 {loc0=((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 +...))),loc1=(|Application| (|...} [ihs=13] +#24 processInteractive {loc0=((|$elt| |DoubleFloat| |exponent|) (- (# 5 0 +...))),loc1=(|Application| (|...} [ihs=12] +#25 intInterpretPform {loc0=(|Application| (|Fromdom| (# . |exponent|) (# +. |DoubleFloat|)) (|Applicat...} [ihs=11] +#26 ncConversationPhase {fn=#,args=(((|carrier| # # ...))),loc2=(((# . ...} [ihs=10] +#27 intloopSpadProcess,interp {loc0=((|carrier| (|ok?| . t) +(|ptreePremacro| . #0=(|Application| # #)) ...)),l...} [ihs=9] +#28 intloopSpadProcess {loc0=1,loc1=(((# . 1) . +"exponent(-5.0)$DoubleFloat")),loc2=(|Application| (|Fr...} [ihs=8] +#29 intloopProcess {loc0=1,loc1=t,loc2=(((#) (|Application| # #)) +|nonnullstream| #,loc1=nil,loc2=0,loc3=0,loc4=nil,loc5...} [ihs=4] NIL BOOT>> (quit) ->=20 +> > sign(-5.0)$DoubleFloat > @@ -4216,37 +3795,36 @@ Same result. >> Error detected within library code: Not an integer -=20 + > )lisp (float-sign -5.0 1.0) ->=20 +> This one works. (1) -> )lisp (float-sign -5.0 1.0) -Value =3D -1.0 +Value = -1.0 > The first line is intended to test manexp -- manexp is internal > to DoubleFloat, so we can not test it directly, but exponent -> just calls manexp and extracts one of components. =20 ->=20 -> Also, it may worth checking int/algebra/DFLOAT.NRLIB/code.lsp.=20 +> just calls manexp and extracts one of components. +> +> Also, it may worth checking int/algebra/DFLOAT.NRLIB/code.lsp. > In my copy I have: ->=20 +> > (DEFUN |DFLOAT;sign;$I;81| (|x| $) > (SPADCALL (FLOAT-SIGN |x| 1.0) (QREFELT $ 115))) ->=20 +> > and earlier: ->=20 +> > (DEFUN |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79| (|x| $) > (PROG (|n|) > (RETURN > (SEQ (LETT |n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79|) > (EXIT (COND -> ((=3D |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSITIVE-DOUBLE-FLOAT)) = -|n|) +> ((= |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSITIVE-DOUBLE-FLOAT)) |n|) > ('T (|error| "Not an integer")))))))) ->=20 +> In my 'int/algebra/DFLOAT.NRLIB/code.lsp' I see the same code: @@ -4260,8 +3838,7 @@ and (RETURN (SEQ (LETT |n| (FIX |x|) |DFLOAT;retract;$I;79|) (EXIT (COND - ((=3D |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSITIVE-DOUBLE-FLOAT)) = -|n|) + ((= |x| (FLOAT |n| MOST-POSITIVE-DOUBLE-FLOAT)) |n|) ('T (|error| "Not an integer")))))))) ----------- @@ -4282,18 +3859,10 @@ I must admit that I did not review all of the test output. Perhaps this is a gcl bug? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:16:46 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Interesting comment > "Git, the Lisp of SCMs" @@ -4309,21 +3878,11 @@ They all have steep learning curves. In this way I guess they all mirror Axiom versus other CAS. -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:07:55 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: NAG libraries -Cc: list - > I'm a little puzzled by what you mean by "axiom.silver 580". > Specifically, what SVN checkout command did you use? @@ -4350,17 +3909,11 @@ that's what I learned so far as well. So if I want both aldor and --enable-checking, I need to get yet another branch? Any suggestions? -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:02:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: NAG libraries - -Cc: list > svn co https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk axiom.silver @@ -4387,17 +3940,11 @@ The revision number in SVN is globabl over all branches, so you must give the directory as well. "trunk" or "branches/wh-sandbox" should be enough. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:35:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, - integrating, ... -Cc: list +Subject: re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... >>> Then 'x<0' can be treated as an expression of type >>> Expression Integer just like 'sin(x)'. Or more generally @@ -4470,16 +4017,11 @@ running program. Maybe. But it is written in Aldor and does not rely on an underlying LISP. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:25:48 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: NAG libraries -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:25:48 -0400 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4525,19 +4067,11 @@ Ill post the result and at least make this a feature of the axisp branch. It would seem better to wait until a more general mechanism is hammered out before proposing the same for silver. - -Thanks again, -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: Re: NAG libraries -To: Franz Lehner Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:02:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: NAG libraries Franz Lehner wrote: > > The --enable-checking only exists in the branches and is @@ -4559,20 +4093,12 @@ OTOH safety 3 means very significant slowdown. On the same machine safety 0 build took about 2.5 hours while safety 3 build needed about 19 hours. ---- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:14:35 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:14:35 -0500 -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4592,16 +4118,11 @@ had more pressing things on the fire and partly because I got frsutrated. Waldek has more patience than me. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:16:44 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Interesting comment -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:16:44 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -4610,16 +4131,12 @@ Tim Daly writes: Hallowed are the Ori. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:24:30 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: NAG libraries -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:24:30 -0500 -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -4650,18 +4167,12 @@ On a dual core dell optiplex, it takes only 3 hours. I can have --enable-checking take a numeral arguments if that is needed. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:24:59 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:24:59 -0500 -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4670,17 +4181,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: silver/ is now gone. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:37:52 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: NAG libraries -Cc: list - > It depends what you really want. I really want @@ -4709,17 +4214,11 @@ I guess the missing |output| function is one of these problems. It was roughly 12 hours here. Is runtime speed affected by this? -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:38:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 06/04/2007 02:24 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4731,21 +4230,11 @@ On 06/04/2007 02:24 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > -- Gaby -Thank you. What a relief. - -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:46:33 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:46:33 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4769,19 +4258,12 @@ The idea is that trunk should be the development silver (and hopefully Tim will commit there) from which people will branch from. And build-improvements, wh-sandbox will merge to that trunk later. -Opinions? - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:50:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87lkezlxw4.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Tim, @@ -4817,41 +4299,29 @@ On 06/04/2007 02:14 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > had more pressing things on the fire and partly because I got > frsutrated. > Waldek has more patience than me. -> -> -- Gaby - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:54:12 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Old trunk changes - Ralf -- Looking at the ChangeLog in trunk, I see changes dated: - 2006-09-14 Ralf Hemmecke Ralf Hemmecke 2006-09-13 Ralf Hemmecke Ralf Hemmecke 2006-07-31 Ralf Hemmecke Ralf Hemmecke Do you know whether they have made it to Tim's branch? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Patches -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:52:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: bill.page@xplornet.com, axiom-devel , - Waldek Hebisch +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Patches +Cc: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch Dear Martin, @@ -4897,45 +4367,23 @@ than what you indended. So it is better that you prepare corrected patch (or present some sting reason to keep patch as is) and once the new patch is approved apply it. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Patches -To: Waldek Hebisch, - Martin Rubey -Cc: bill.page@xplornet.com, axiom-devel +Cc: Bill Page As long as we're on the subject, how would one provide a "patch" for adding a completely new file like the Emacs mode pamphlet? Is there some preferred way to do this or is just supplying the file and target directory for inclusion enough? -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:09:49 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> - <878xazkhue.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: On 06/04/2007 02:46 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -4980,10 +4428,6 @@ the svn archive small. This has my full support. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -5022,24 +4466,12 @@ case - I'm just looking for something practical that can be done to help keep the current diverging situation from continuing to diverge more than necessary. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 15:19:12 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Patches -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Jun 2007 15:19:12 +0200 -Cc: bill.page@xplornet.com, axiom-devel +Cc: Bill Page Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5092,40 +4524,31 @@ if you prefer to change the system right now, I follow you.) Many many thanks for your committment :-) -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Patches -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:00:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Patches Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: -> -> > > here are some patches for bug #355. -> -> > > By the way, I just found the documented version of the patch to STTAYLOR, -> > > it is on MathAction, #312, powern.patch. I include a version that applies -> > > smoothly to wh-sandbox here, too. -> -> > I have a little problem with documentation parts. In combfunc.spad.pamphlet -> > part you write: -> > -> > + ++ Gamma(a,x) returns the incomplete Gamma function applied to a and x. -> > + ++ Concerning differentiation, it is regarded as a function in the second -> > + ++ argument only. -> > -> > This behaviour is clearly a bug. -> -> Hm, I thought this at first, too. But the behaviour is consistent for Gamma, -> Bessel and Polygamma. It is not difficult to change this behaviour to leaving -> the derivative unevaluated, but I'm not sure whether that would really be -> better. If you are absolutely sure, please let me know as soon as possible. + +> > > here are some patches for bug #355. > > By the way, I just +> found the documented version of the patch to STTAYLOR, > > it is on +> MathAction, #312, powern.patch. I include a version that applies > > +> smoothly to wh-sandbox here, too. + +> > I have a little problem with documentation parts. In +> > combfunc.spad.pamphlet part you write: + ++ Gamma(a,x) returns the +> > incomplete Gamma function applied to a and x. + ++ Concerning +> > differentiation, it is regarded as a function in the second + ++ +> > argument only. This behaviour is clearly a bug. + +> Hm, I thought this at first, too. But the behaviour is consistent +> for Gamma, Bessel and Polygamma. It is not difficult to change this +> behaviour to leaving the derivative unevaluated, but I'm not sure +> whether that would really be better. If you are absolutely sure, +> please let me know as soon as possible. Yes, currently we produce mathematically incorrect result. In principle user may get wrong results even if input does not contain explicit @@ -5137,10 +4560,10 @@ derivative unevaluated, while giving value of the second one (ATM this is not clear for me either). If you know how to to this please go on. -> How about polygamma? should D(polygamma(x, x), x) throw an error? I guess so. -> But if we follow you, Bessel* should leave the derivative with respect to the -> first argument - i.e., leave it unevaluated. -> +> How about polygamma? should D(polygamma(x, x), x) throw an error? +> I guess so. But if we follow you, Bessel* should leave the +> derivative with respect to the first argument - i.e., leave it +> unevaluated. polygamma(a, x) has sensible definition also for non-integral a, so just leaving D(polygamma(x, x), x) unevaluated is reasonable. Since in @@ -5149,29 +4572,21 @@ Bessel* leaving derivative with respect to the first argument unevaluated is preffered to error -- we can still do some calculations with unevaluated derivatives. -> > In sttaylor.spad.pamphlet part you put explanations after corresponding code. -> > I find this confusing, I think that putting explanations before code is much -> > clearer. -> -> I don't, but I realise that noweb behaves so that your style is preferred. - -> OK. Do you want me to change this for these two patches already? -> +> > In sttaylor.spad.pamphlet part you put explanations after +> > corresponding code. I find this confusing, I think that putting +> > explanations before code is much clearer. + +> I don't, but I realise that noweb behaves so that your style is +> preferred. - OK. Do you want me to change this for these two +> patches already? Yes, pleas do. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Patches -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:15:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Patches C Y wrote: > As long as we're on the subject, how would one provide a "patch" for @@ -5190,19 +4605,12 @@ tree). What is preferred depends on persons. For me, a single file + location is good enough, for multiple files patch is preferred. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 09:22:32 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Patches - <9qabvfeu27.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 04 Jun 2007 09:22:32 -0500 -Cc: bill.page@xplornet.com, axiom-devel +Cc: Bill Page Martin Rubey writes: @@ -5221,34 +4629,22 @@ I already stated my opinions on a single individual applying everybody else patch. People should be responsible of applying patches -- after review -- they have created. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Jun 2007 09:27:51 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: REGRESS script - - Tim -- The script REGRESS contains hardcoded information about user daly. How is it supposed to work for non-user daly (everybody else)? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 16:28:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Patches -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Jun 2007 16:28:52 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5296,21 +4692,11 @@ or a reference? Yes. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:43:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> <878xazkhue.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <46640F1D.7030809@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -5326,17 +4712,10 @@ Ralf -- Can you give it a try as of revision 584? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:59:24 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemtpNdkI9C8t1qTTm/SZUl8wbRVAAAXtNQ -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) On June 4, 2007 10:43 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -5359,19 +4738,11 @@ back into the trunk? :-) What Tim calls "silver" (now in trunk) still seems hopelessly out of date to me. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Patches -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:31:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Patches Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5458,21 +4829,12 @@ The definition above will get function which is analytic in n. Because analytic functions have strong restictions on possible zeros other definitions are likely to give the same value. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:35:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On June 4, 2007 10:43 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -5492,19 +4854,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: Gaby removed the old axiom.silver. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:37:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -5532,19 +4886,13 @@ I thought I removed axiom.silver; Waldek did we concurrently end its life? it is up to date with respect to Tim's work. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) -To: Bill Page , 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > Now ... how can we get build-improvements and wh-sandbox > back into the trunk? :-) @@ -5565,24 +4913,11 @@ Once I have a computer again I'll take a stab at using GIT to comprehend the revisions in those trees, but based on everyone else's results making that attempt I'm sure it won't be easy. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Bored stiff? Loosen up... -Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. -http://games.yahoo.com/games/front - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 17:41:32 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Patches -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Jun 2007 17:41:32 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -5639,8 +4974,7 @@ guess the differential equation for such functions. Try (7) [ [ - function = - BRACKET + function BRACKET n [x ]f(x): , 3 2 , ,, @@ -5658,19 +4992,12 @@ guess the differential equation for such functions. Try Thanks for the polygamma reference. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jun 2007 17:43:09 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -5679,22 +5006,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: Really? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:49:36 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> <878xazkhue.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <46640F1D.7030809@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Gaby, @@ -5726,22 +5042,12 @@ After I get the error: I think both trunk and daly need a newer gcl. Any idea what I am missing to continue the build. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Martin Rubey'" Martin Rubey, - "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:32:46 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acemvw/0n0IBVqBaSxagTXDqOBEpOwABjg7w -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Martin Rubey, Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On June 4, 2007 11:43 AM Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -5758,32 +5064,19 @@ aka. axiom.trunk) is a first attempt at some regression testing. I believe that Gaby is trying to port this downstream but currently has some problems with portability of Tim's code. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - > -----Original Message----- > On June 4, 2007 10:28 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote > > The script REGRESS contains hardcoded information about > user daly. How is it supposed to work for non-user daly > (everybody else)? -> - - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:21:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: NAG libraries - <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> - <878xazkhue.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46640F1D.7030809@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Please look at revision 75. That is a problem with .svn directories unnecessarily copied. @@ -5840,27 +5133,13 @@ On 06/04/2007 05:49 PM, Alfredo Portes wrote: > > I think both trunk and daly need a newer gcl. Any idea what I am > missing to continue the build. -> -> Regards, -> -> Alfredo -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) To: Martin Rubey -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -5878,23 +5157,12 @@ archives somewhere. It might be that applying his changes to the other branches wouldn't be difficult, or perhaps they have already incorporated them - I'm not sure. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:10:55 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: trunk +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > "trunk" is basically identical with Gold (tla: axiom--main--1--patch-50) > and currently not maintained although build-improvements and wh-sandbox @@ -5916,9 +5184,6 @@ merged those changes. This must be done by hand because the branch changesets also involve changes to the Makefiles and the branch Makefile structures don't exist in Gold. - - - > ... Gaby, Tim, Waldek, what do you think > the best strategy would be to ease merging later? @@ -5933,16 +5198,12 @@ Private sandboxes are the best way to explore an idea (I have dozens) but it is really up to the individual to make those experiments fit into the released version. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:32:29 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: trunk +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > I would have highly preferred Tim put the new silver in /silver, > and keep branches/daly as his private branch; but he didn't so we must @@ -5998,25 +5259,16 @@ changesets, creating test cases, and packaging up the changes so they fit into what the current Gold version is? I see good work being done but I see no effort on your part to lift it out of your private sandbox. - -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'C Y'" Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:32:33 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemvqLgZCIUzTgJRfSlu7kRDeuLvwADdlZA -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On June 4, 2007 11:40 AM C Y wrote: > -> --- Bill Page wrote: +> --- Bill Page wrote: > > > Now ... how can we get build-improvements and wh-sandbox > > back into the trunk? :-) @@ -6041,21 +5293,12 @@ result might still be somewhere on the axiom-developer.org server. But how will that help merging build-improvements and wh-sandbox into trunk? -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:53:53 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: trunk +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > I'm planning to attempt the following -- assuming I got time today: @@ -6121,17 +5364,12 @@ Gold are included. Find features you want. Make exclusive diff-Naur changesets. Make documentation. Make test cases. Make it work. Make it fit. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:55:55 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: trunk - +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > How do you identify diff-Naur patches anyway? Which tool do you use to > prevent you from applying the same patch twice. @@ -6140,15 +5378,10 @@ My eyes. However patch will complain if you apply the same patch twice. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:58:53 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: bug 312 Martin, @@ -6157,15 +5390,10 @@ I sent your sstaylor changes to Clifton Williamson, the original author of the file. I'm waiting to hear his opinion on the nature of the changes. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:01:27 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Patches > As long as we're on the subject, how would one provide a "patch" for @@ -6175,15 +5403,10 @@ diff-Naur will create the file. However it would just be easier to send the file separately. The addition of a new file implies a bunch of SVN add, git add, Arch add, and cvs add commands. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:06:11 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: SCMs > The script REGRESS contains hardcoded information about user daly. @@ -6196,15 +5419,10 @@ machines and I need to know when they complete so I can review them. Email lets me know when they complete or fail. Of course, since it "works for me" I didn't realize I posted it. Sorry about that. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:09:55 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: SVN revision 584 Gaby, @@ -6216,16 +5434,12 @@ I make should be made to trunk. Is that your understanding? -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:15:51 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, list Subject: SVN revision 584 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Alfredo, @@ -6244,15 +5458,10 @@ It is also an Axiom bug because the duplicate copy should not occur. End users won't see the bug because we need to clean out all of the .git, .svn, .cvs, and .arch subdirectories before packaging. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:20:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: trunk On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6310,15 +5519,10 @@ and run your regress script and tell me if something is wrong. Ideally, we should be able to set the regress script so that it works for everybody and the results sent to axiom-testresults@lists.sf.net. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:20:30 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: merge branches/daly to trunk Bill, @@ -6327,15 +5531,10 @@ See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-05/msg00320.html for details about the contents of silver. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:22:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: SVN revision 584 On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6365,15 +5564,10 @@ I'm pretty sure, Ralf fixed that bug long time ago. developers should not see it either. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:24:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: SVN revision 584 On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6392,15 +5586,10 @@ any pending work in the pipeline that would be painful to get into trunk, please just use branches/daly and we will sync later and abandon branches/daly. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:24:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: trunk On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6413,22 +5602,11 @@ On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: Aie. Aie. Aie. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:27:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> <878xazkhue.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <46640F1D.7030809@hemmecke.de> - - -Cc: axiom-dev On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -6448,19 +5626,14 @@ not to use NLS, you should be fine. Indeed. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jun 2007 20:28:19 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > As far as I know, the only thing in silver (aka. axiom.daly, > aka. axiom.trunk) is a first attempt at some regression testing. I believe @@ -6501,25 +5674,11 @@ which you can download using svn co svn://svn.risc.uni-linz.ac.at/hemmecke/combinat/ - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:31:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: NAG libraries - - <4663C6FD.3080401@hemmecke.de> <87vee3kiuc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <466407CD.3020606@hemmecke.de> <878xazkhue.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <46640F1D.7030809@hemmecke.de> - - - <46643BF9.2030503@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -6538,15 +5697,10 @@ Tim, please could you pick this patch? It is revision 75. :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:47:19 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: merge branches/daly to trunk Gaby, @@ -6558,15 +5712,10 @@ local tree up to date as well as the git public tree. Once that is done I'll do all future commits to trunk. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:50:08 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: merge branches/daly to trunk Gaby, @@ -6579,15 +5728,10 @@ Gaby, How can this be true? Does SVK delete .svn? -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:54:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6621,36 +5765,24 @@ As for my plans to merge things from build-improvements to trunk: The bottom-line is that the changes will be incremental as opposed to a gigantic one-shot patch. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 20:55:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: merge branches/daly to trunk - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Jun 2007 20:55:52 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> (1) I'll go on (business) travel from next wednesday, for some time. -> The only machine I'll have is a windows-based laptop. So that seriously -> limits what I can do. +> (1) I'll go on (business) travel from next wednesday, for some +> time. The only machine I'll have is a windows-based laptop. +> So that seriously limits what I can do. You can always work on graphics and HyperDoc on windows ;-) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:59:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6676,18 +5808,11 @@ interfer with versioned source code. The result is that the working directory just looks like an exported directory (e.g. one that the end user will see), but SVK knows which paths are checked out paths and their states. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:59:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: merge branches/daly to trunk - - <9qtztnblc7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -6701,18 +5826,12 @@ On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Christian Aistleitner - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Jun 2007 21:02:23 +0200 -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Martin Rubey +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: AxiomUnit +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Dear Christian! @@ -6745,16 +5864,10 @@ hope that's not a problem, Axiom cannot distinguish between stdout and stderr. Given that, what remains for AxiomUnit? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:12:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: trunk On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -6817,17 +5930,11 @@ I'm not expecting nor asking someone else to do the merge for me. And I do not intent to keep the work on build-improvement "private" -- there are my local trees and gdr-sandbox for that :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:13:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page -Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) -Cc: 'axiom-dev' +Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -6836,21 +5943,16 @@ On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: I have no idea how that helps me. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:16:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Bill Page On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: -| "Bill Page" writes: +| Bill Page writes: | | > As far as I know, the only thing in silver (aka. axiom.daly, | > aka. axiom.trunk) is a first attempt at some regression testing. I believe @@ -6862,16 +5964,12 @@ On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: Since I do not have resource to allocate for that task, should I go with no form of regression test at all? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:36:21 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: SVN revision 584 +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 06/04/2007 08:15 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > Alfredo, @@ -6910,19 +6008,11 @@ Oh, I think "end users" take precompiled things that come with debian/red hat etc. Most others compile from a checkout of one of the archives. Am I wrong? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 13:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG - libraries) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page -Cc: 'axiom-dev' - +Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk (was: NAG libraries) +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -6948,23 +6038,10 @@ present, and thus make it easier to try GIT as a more standard tool for development. I suppose on reflection even that might not help much though. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? -Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:17:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -Cc: list Subject: Re: trunk > That is great. What I would propose is that one you commit those changes to @@ -7035,23 +6112,17 @@ I wouldn't care much about --patch-50. Let it live in Arch, if it must. Copying it to sourceforge isn't worth the trouble and just makes the archive bigger. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:34:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page On 06/04/2007 09:16 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> | "Bill Page" writes: +> | Bill Page writes: > | > | > As far as I know, the only thing in silver (aka. axiom.daly, > | > aka. axiom.trunk) is a first attempt at some regression testing. I believe @@ -7079,17 +6150,10 @@ environment. But that basically says, you have to start Axiom for every single test. That's going to be heavy. But Christian might be better in saying something why AxiomUnit does not yet exist. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:36:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke - - <4664733C.9070005@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Subject: Re: trunk On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7134,21 +6198,12 @@ I agree on all counts. Except for the voting system, I agree. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:42:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7178,18 +6233,11 @@ No doubt, that is work. Currently, I have (1) plus a standalone depsys that can create executable from Lisp+Boot programs, but my hope is that depsys will die soon. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:51:51 -0400 +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: RE: merge branches/daly to trunk -Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:51:51 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acem1Q9mVxMkwdCjSRuci1bIgK11HAAFNi3w -Cc: list On June 4, 2007 2:21 PM Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -7202,24 +6250,12 @@ Besides 'regress' and a little bit of documentation I don't see anything listed here that is not already in build-improvements and/or wh-sandbox. Am I missing something? -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 22:57:55 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: AxiomUnit, was: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Jun 2007 22:57:55 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , - Bill Page , Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -7242,22 +6278,12 @@ I think there are two possibilities: * Run every testcase in a fresh axiom. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:02:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page On 06/04/2007 10:42 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -7293,21 +6319,16 @@ interpreter decoupled from the underlying libraries. Would that mean that Aldor->Lisp->executable should work? -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:28:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> | "Bill Page" writes: +> | Bill Page writes: > | > | > As far as I know, the only thing in silver (aka. axiom.daly, > | > aka. axiom.trunk) is a first attempt at some regression testing. I believe @@ -7333,20 +6354,11 @@ One of the scripts I posted is a Lisp comparator -- I would be happy if somebody provied a better one, but ATM it is _way_ better then byte comparison/md5sums. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Interesting comment Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:28:58 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemogyeDv1FbhxRSiWGLdD12bHfHgAS6kjg -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Interesting comment On June 4, 2007 8:17 AM Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -7366,18 +6378,10 @@ I propose that thitle of boolvol5.pamphlet be changed to: The Book of Origin -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:32:31 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: regression testing If you build axiom trunk and check the int/input/*.regress files @@ -7386,15 +6390,10 @@ testing. Each regression test input file is run in a fresh axiom image. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:39:47 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: merge branches/daly to trunk Bill, @@ -7416,18 +6415,11 @@ functional. At Gaby's request I went thru the differences and listed the reasons in the link I posted earlier. To find the actual details do a "diff -r --brief silver thebranch". -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: RE: Interesting comment Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:36:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcemogyeDv1FbhxRSiWGLdD12bHfHgAS6kjgAACaOSA= -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: RE: Interesting comment Correction: @@ -7451,22 +6443,13 @@ I propose that the title of bookvol5.pamphlet be changed to: > > The Book of Origin -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:44:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: RE: Interesting comment -Cc: list -On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: | I propose that thitle of boolvol5.pamphlet be changed to: | @@ -7474,18 +6457,11 @@ On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: :-) :-) :-) --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 04 Jun 2007 23:24:33 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Patches -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 04 Jun 2007 23:24:33 +0200 -Cc: list - ---=-=-= Dear Tim, Waldek, @@ -7640,17 +6616,10 @@ Index: combfunc.spad.pamphlet \section{package SUMFS FunctionSpaceSum} <>= ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:55:50 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Interesting comment funny. i like it. we have no maintainers, we have Priors! @@ -7664,19 +6633,11 @@ can't wait for the "Ring Transporter" though as it would greatly facilitate my 33 mile commute. of course, my "intertubes" are full with spam so it is better to drive. -Tim - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: RE: Re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, - integrating, ... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:57:49 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acemg1m/mbMTgMb/RVOYCcsS18VEhQAbGJcw -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... On June 4, 2007 4:36 AM Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -7757,20 +6718,11 @@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-expression But I do not have any objection to importing the concept of ExpressionTree into Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:35:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Subject: re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, - integrating, ... -Cc: list +Subject: re: Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... > I would agree to replace "Set" with something more algebraic, > e.g. a topos. @@ -7828,15 +6780,10 @@ OK, you are responsible to start a library that builds on category theory. I don't think that this would allow me to transform the program (= inductive type) at runtime as I could do with expression trees. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:39:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list Subject: Re: Old trunk changes On 06/04/2007 02:54 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -8070,15 +7017,10 @@ merge input test case branch changes Hope, that helped. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:43:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list Subject: Re: Old trunk changes On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -8089,19 +7031,11 @@ Many thanks. Sorry for the earlier imprecise messag. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: "'Ralf Hemmecke'" Ralf Hemmecke Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:33:35 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Acem+Lo80K3Jgf9dQUGG7ZCN6nDjVwAKF/UA -Cc: list -Subject: The Axiom Library and Category Theory (was: - Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ...) +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: The Axiom Library and Category Theory Topic drift is a wonderful thing ... :-) @@ -8230,20 +7164,12 @@ distinction between symbolic computation and computer algebra that I have mentioned several times before and that I think Stephen Watt has described so well. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 05 Jun 2007 01:24:36 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Boot/SPAD package syntax - Greetings, I stumbled upon a curious facility of Boot and SPAD this evening. I @@ -8273,22 +7199,11 @@ violate such a lock. There are other examples. I am curious if anyone has noticed this facility and/or sees a potential use for it. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 00:32:41 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 00:32:41 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -8331,15 +7246,10 @@ existing Axiom codes uses other things like restart, etc. I use the syntax FOO::BAR, but not FOO'BAR, for "package-call". New Boot treats FOO'BAR as a "single" identifier. ---- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:02:31 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: Re: The Axiom Library and Category Theory > The point of category theory as a foundation for mathematics @@ -8478,18 +7388,11 @@ Yes, it agree with the essence of that distinction and that also means experiments using symbolic computation (which will be hopefully turned into proper computer algebra programs later). -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 02:58:09 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 02:58:09 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -8572,21 +7475,12 @@ punting to Lisp with a MAKE_-PACKAGE('FOO)). I am interested in how this feature integrates with Boot, but also lets not forget SPAD. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:46:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> I use the syntax FOO::BAR, but not FOO'BAR, for "package-call". >> New Boot treats FOO'BAR as a "single" identifier. @@ -8633,16 +7527,10 @@ or You probably mean something else... -Ralf - - - \start -To: "jay p. belanger" Jay Belanger, Cliff Yapp Cliff Yapp, - Francois Maltey -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:15:07 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Jay Belanger, Cliff Yapp, Francois Maltey Subject: axiom.el problems --=-=-= @@ -8935,18 +7823,12 @@ yZOHAt28RH3T30WqObY5tNdECh0jsP7Jszt9fvyAZnef/Y08mONixXXxVq7TWZpLIcFVddQ5qE9f rpR4rBd66idzzgc7coz9e0QEBdWAC1x5i/f/ArLl/zhPtgAA --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:37:53 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_17104_3993222.1181036273994" Subject: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom? -------=_Part_17104_3993222.1181036273994 - Admittedly I'm very new to the Axiom game, but in the few months I've been involved, the Axiom mail-lists have been almost exclusively concerned with meta-mathematics: emacs and TeXmacs, version control systems, and just @@ -8968,30 +7850,13 @@ with *.input files? And on the subject of numerical routines, is anybody interested in using any of the netlib stuff (lapack, for exmaple), in Axiom? It's GPL, I believe. -cheers, -Alasdair - -------=_Part_17104_3993222.1181036273994 - -Admittedly I'm very new to the Axiom game, but in the few months I've been involved, the Axiom mail-lists have been almost exclusively concerned with meta-mathematics: emacs and TeXmacs, version control systems, and just recently sets versus topoi versus categories. -

Not that these things aren't of fundamental importance, but does anybody actually use Axiom for mathematics: teaching, research, or even fun?  Is anybody out there adding further mathematical functionality to Axiom - numerical routines, difference equation solvers, discrete mathematics etc etc? -

FWIW, as Martin well knows, I've been banging my head over pattern matching and z-transforms lately. I have a file which works to about 75%; the last bit, which involves partial fractions, is still giving me gyp. -

And on the meta-mathematical side, has anybody got an emacs mode to work with *.input files?

And on the subject of numerical routines, is anybody interested in using any of the netlib stuff (lapack, for exmaple), in Axiom?  It's GPL, I believe. -

cheers,
Alasdair
- -------=_Part_17104_3993222.1181036273994-- - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with - Axiom? -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:53:24 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom? -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > but does anybody actually use Axiom for mathematics: teaching, research, or > even fun? @@ -9045,17 +7910,11 @@ Try to formulate a question, then I can try to answer it. Francois Maltey sent me some files, but I am unable to incorporate them into my emacs mode (which I use myself meanwhile), for lack of time. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Patches -To: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:06:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Patches > Dear Tim, Waldek, > @@ -9110,23 +7969,12 @@ Backtrace show repeated pattern of smpeval and notfound calls: #549 FSINT;integrate;FSU;10 {loc0=((1 # (1 . #0=(0 . 1))) . #0#),loc1=|a|,loc2=# - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466514DF.4010000@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 07:48:18 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hello Ralf, @@ -9136,27 +7984,11 @@ denoted by the $ operator. I fail to see the connection between the ' (or ::) operator in Boot/SPAD and any language concept such as SPAD packages. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:32:23 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: Martin Rubey, list -Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with - Axiom? - boundary="----=_Part_18496_28493133.1181046743200" - <9qsl96682z.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: - -------=_Part_18496_28493133.1181046743200 - boundary="----=_Part_18497_28790895.1181046743200" - -------=_Part_18497_28790895.1181046743200 +Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom? Hi Martin, @@ -9191,7 +8023,7 @@ Alasdair On 05 Jun 2007 11:53:24 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > > but does anybody actually use Axiom for mathematics: teaching, research, > or @@ -9266,7 +8098,7 @@ Hi Martin,

Here is my ztrans.input file in its current diabolical form -

ex:=ztrans(n^5,n,z)

produces a formidable polynomial quotient; to invert it you need to apply partial fractions to ex/z, and apply the inverse transform to each individual fractional term multiplied by z.  This is not happening right now.

As well, I need to implement shifts:

ztrans(f(n-k),n,z) == z^(-b)*ztrans(f(n),n,z)

and for f(n+k).

My own thoughts for difference equations were much more modest than yours: linear equations with constant coefficients, and equations which can be transformed into linear equations.  I can't imagine it would be too hard?  Of course, if I get the z-ztransforms working, that can be used....

cheers,
Alasdair


On 05 Jun 2007 11:53:24 +0200, Martin Rubey <Martin Rubey -> wrote:
"Alasdair McAndrew" <amca01@gmail.com +> wrote:
"Alasdair McAndrew" <Alasdair McAndrew > writes:

> but does anybody actually use Axiom for mathematics: teaching, research, or
> even fun?

I am.  For example, I wrote a tiny script to spit out all set partitions in
(Coxeter-) Type B and D and counted the first few terms, then entered them into
Sloane's database, to find the reference Ruedi Suter.

I also used Axiom to check a conjecture on Jeu de Taquin.  To this end I
implemented growth diagrams by Fomin, but I am unable to pursue this project on
my own.

Last year I used the (in my opinion) formidable graphics to show students how a
saddle point and a tangential plane looks like.  Gorgeous!

> Is anybody out there adding further mathematical functionality to Axiom - @@ -9324,16 +8156,11 @@ KElOVCwgSU5ULCBFWFBSIElOVCk7CgppbnZ6dHJhbnMoZix6LG4pID09IGl6dHJhbnNydWxlcyBp enQoZix6LG4pCgoK ------=_Part_18496_28493133.1181046743200-- - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 07:41:44 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 07:41:44 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -9432,27 +8259,20 @@ in Lisp. If you want to push into an existing package, you say )package "FOO" --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:43:35 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Patches -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:43:35 +0200 -Cc: list - ---=-=-= Waldek Hebisch writes: -> > below is a patch that has the behaviour as you described it, with the exception -> > of polygamma, which now throws an error. If you prefer that polygamma also -> > allows differentiation with respect to the first argument, the change is -> > trivial. I don't have time to modify sttaylor right now. -> > -> +> > below is a patch that has the behaviour as you described it, with +> > the exception of polygamma, which now throws an error. If you +> > prefer that polygamma also allows differentiation with respect to +> > the first argument, the change is trivial. I don't have time to +> > modify sttaylor right now. + > I tried the patch and I see a problem. Wow! I love your scrutinity! Could you add this as a test, maybe? Here is a @@ -9634,25 +8454,11 @@ Index: combfunc.spad.pamphlet @ \section{package SUMFS FunctionSpaceSum} ---=-=-= - - - -Martin - ---=-=-=-- - - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 07:46:31 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466514DF.4010000@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 07:46:31 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -9675,15 +8481,10 @@ In Spad you can do "package call", i.e. explicitly specify where you want the symbol from, as in "x$P"; in the assembly language Lisp you do "P:x" or "P::x". --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:45 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom > And on the subject of numerical routines, is anybody interested in using any @@ -9694,15 +8495,10 @@ routines, like BLAS and LAPACK. I have permission from an author of a related text to use his material for documentation. Eventually I want to move up the stack and integrate things like OCTAVE. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:12:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom > ... I wrote a tiny script to spit out all set partitions in @@ -9718,22 +8514,12 @@ Axiom can do. I'd encourage people to post example input files showing work in their area of interest. -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:14:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> - - <46647E02.1000500@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -9776,16 +8562,11 @@ Looks, we have a common goal :-) Could you elaborate on what you mean by that phase? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:18:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk -Cc: list On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -9807,16 +8588,11 @@ things that depend on user daly so I cannot even try. yes, we agree. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 08:25:37 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 08:25:37 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -9828,15 +8604,10 @@ Tim Daly writes: Most of the time, my input files depend on libraries not in Axiom distribution. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:36:02 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_19229_3871480.1181050562705" Subject: Comparison of CAS's? ------=_Part_19229_3871480.1181050562705 @@ -9866,30 +8637,12 @@ It seems to me that this would be a worthwhile effort. cheers, Alasdair -------=_Part_19229_3871480.1181050562705 - -As far as I know, nobody has tried to compare CAS's since Michael Wester's attempts in the 1990's.  And even then, his final test, which had over 500 problems purporting to be from "all areas of mathematics" was not in any way comprehensive: no topology, no abstract algebra, not much logic, nothing on graphics, and so on.  And these tests only tested the "breadth" of a system - the number of different problems it could spit out a correct answer to.  In these tests, and in some smaller ones developed by Barry Simon, Axiom performed very poorly. -

Nobody that I know of has attempted a more modern comparison, looking a depth as much as breadth.  It may well be that Axiom does not have the black-box problem solving abilities of some of its rivals (put a problem in, get an answer out), but it may be that in depth and in its fundamental design paradigms, it outweighs others. -

Does anybody know of any research in this area?  I started a while back trying to get some material together to write a small article comparing CAS's for teaching and learning, but never got very far with it (something common to all my projects at the moment!) -

It seems to me that this would be a worthwhile effort.

cheers,
Alasdair


- -------=_Part_19229_3871480.1181050562705-- - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:36:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> - - <46647E02.1000500@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page > | > (1) we should have standalone bootsys, that can translate, compile > | > Boot codes. It should be able to create standalone executable from @@ -9927,19 +8680,12 @@ compiler, if that works with a well-specified (and close to Aldor) input language.) From there I understood you can go on via (1) to produce an executable. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:13:39 -0400 From: Eugene Surowitz -Subject: Re: Interesting comment To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <46656F93.4050505@attglobal.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: Bill Page, list, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Interesting comment +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis The NY Metropolitan Opera has already grabbed a good thing for their "Romeo and Juliet" production: @@ -9962,29 +8708,12 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > can't wait for the "Ring Transporter" though as it would greatly > facilitate my 33 mile commute. of course, my "intertubes" are full > with spam so it is better to drive. -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:24:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:24:58 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10151,21 +8880,11 @@ convincing that this construct is useful/necessary. As I mentioned, it would seem the construct is unused, and thus support could be easily removed from the system. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:36:49 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466514DF.4010000@hemmecke.de> - <87ira2d0wo.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:36:49 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10180,19 +8899,10 @@ notion of internal/exported symbols. All assembly languages provide access to facilities not available to the higher level languages implemented upon them. - -Steve - - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page -To: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:21:11 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcenhSWomr9ZdY7vRwKwG4FfKVxBfA== +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: gcc mercurial repository http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2007-05/msg01825.html @@ -10203,23 +8913,11 @@ but I just thought I would mention that gcc now has a mercurial strongly promoted SVN as the "best choice" based partly, I think, on it's adpotion by gcc. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:37:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wsyibhs5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -10402,20 +9100,11 @@ are legitimate cases where one needs to access the assembly-language Since the same parser is used to parse Old Boot, you'll also need more than superficial examination that no Boot codes uses it. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:39:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466514DF.4010000@hemmecke.de> - <87ira2d0wo.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87sl96bh8e.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -10443,24 +9132,12 @@ So? And? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:43:17 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> - - <46647E02.1000500@hemmecke.de> - - <466566C5.4040603@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:43:17 -0500 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -10480,19 +9157,11 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: OK, I see. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'Alasdair McAndrew'" -Subject: RE: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with - Axiom? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:48:59 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcenVUG4xZ14/I9FSUWro//cLV0+jwAMvYmA -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: RE: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom? On June 5, 2007 5:38 AM Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -10519,23 +9188,11 @@ with Axiom, if ever I can find enough time: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxCategoricalRelativity -Regards, -Bill Page - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: The Axiom Library and Category Theory -To: Bill Page, - Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - - ---- Bill Page wrote: > The point of category theory as a foundation for mathematics > is that a lot of mathematics can and should be done long before @@ -10593,25 +9250,13 @@ Unfortunately, before we can get to this (very interesting) stage we MUST have a firm, well defined, well documented foundation - especially in terms of Aldor/SPAD programming. :-( -Cheers, -Cy - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? -Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:56:34 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: | As far as I know, nobody has tried to compare CAS's since Michael Wester's | attempts in the 1990's. @@ -10658,17 +9303,11 @@ a fair comparision. Furthermore, CASes are to solve problems. So you have to come up with realistic problems to solve and express the solutions in "native styles" for each of them. - --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Patches -To: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:56:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Patches Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -10687,20 +9326,13 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: Thanks for the patch. Applied to wh-sandbox revision 586. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Subject: Re: gcc mercurial repository -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:01:19 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: gcc mercurial repository -"Bill Page" Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2007-05/msg01825.html | @@ -10720,16 +9352,12 @@ Note however that the master repo is still SVN. As a "better choice" at the time. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:14:04 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: The Axiom Library and Category Theory -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:14:04 -0500 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -10770,22 +9398,11 @@ So from my perspective (*Computational Math*), the question is not on what Math is based, but on what computation is based and which framework allows for easy of composition and extension. - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:16:55 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wsyibhs5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:16:55 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -10922,24 +9539,15 @@ Yep. I agree in principle. Yes. I will modify the parser to emit a message on encountering the construct. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:28:40 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? - <87k5uie6od.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:28:40 +0200 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > | As far as I know, nobody has tried to compare CAS's since Michael Wester's > | attempts in the 1990's. @@ -10980,27 +9588,15 @@ suite, we need Gruntz algorithm for limits and an implementation of Zeilberger for summation, as far as I recall. However, I think that this is not quite the right way to go about it. - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:41:03 +0000 From: Vladimir Bondarenko -To: axiom-devel +To: list Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? - <87k5uie6od.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qvee2fgzb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: > Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > ->> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +>> Alasdair McAndrew writes: >> >> | As far as I know, nobody has tried to compare CAS's since Michael Wester's >> | attempts in the 1990's. @@ -11105,21 +9701,11 @@ http://www.cybertester.com/ Cyber Tester, LLC http://maple.bug-list.org/ Maple Bugs Encyclopaedia http://www.CAS-testing.org/ CAS Testing - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:47:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wsyibhs5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjub9tk.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -11189,18 +9775,11 @@ I'm working on that. Exactly what I would have done. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:51:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? - <87k5uie6od.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <9qvee2fgzb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -11229,17 +9808,11 @@ Well, people will read Wester's book (and I hope they do!) and will wonder. While I don't believe The Goal of Axiom is pass that testsuite, I believe that Axiom should pass that testsuite. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:58:41 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Vladimir Bondarenko Subject: QA engineer, was: Re: Comparison of CAS's? - <20070605184103.ivniyqcao48w0800@webmail.ipipe.ru> -Cc: axiom-devel > Frankly, a big problem I see, there is not a single practical > QA engineer within AXIOM folks. @@ -11251,17 +9824,11 @@ If you qualify as a QA engineer, contribute yourself. Just criticizing that Axiom has no QA engineer does not contribute anything to make Axiom better. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:08:15 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -Cc: axiom-devel - > I looked at the build logs and at src_aldor2.tgz. AFAICS the > very first line in the log is wrong. Namely, the Makefile @@ -11285,15 +9852,11 @@ $AXIOM/algebra >> System error: The function GETENV is undefined. -Franz - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: list Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? -To: axiom-devel --- Vladimir Bondarenko wrote: @@ -11345,31 +9908,11 @@ ways to do something similar for mathematical problems. But I personally have no expectation that Axiom is ready for that level of testing - that comes later in this process. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search -that gives answers, not web links. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:44:42 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wsyibhs5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjub9tk.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:44:42 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -11453,20 +9996,11 @@ for escape to Lisp. I will let you know if I encounter a dependence on the package-call operator in the extant code. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:52:10 +0000 From: Vladimir Bondarenko -To: axiom-devel +To: list Subject: Re: Comparison of CAS's? - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" Quoting Cliff Yapp: @@ -11559,43 +10093,12 @@ Vladimir > ways to do something similar for mathematical problems. But I > personally have no expectation that Axiom is ready for that level of > testing - that comes later in this process. -> -> Cheers, -> CY -> -> -> -> ____________________________________________________________________________________ -> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search -> that gives answers, not web links. -> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:59:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wsyibhs5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjub9tk.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uib079.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -11649,20 +10152,11 @@ class file. | I will let you know if I encounter a dependence on the package-call | operator in the extant code. -Many thanks! - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:05:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: The Axiom Library and Category Theory - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list Quoting Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -11719,29 +10213,11 @@ we were talking about the possibility of defining the monoid unit as a higher order functional. Have you had any more thoughts about this? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 17:28:40 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Boot/SPAD package syntax - <87odjvc6fa.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <876462dh1a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87odjud14n.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87wsyibhs5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjub9tk.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uib079.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 05 Jun 2007 17:28:40 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel - - -Gaby, It would seem that we have similar thoughts on how Axiom can move forward. @@ -11749,20 +10225,11 @@ forward. Though our approaches differ, I do look forward to future discussions `over the fence'. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -To: Franz Lehner Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:04:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor Franz Lehner wrote: > @@ -11806,18 +10273,10 @@ diff -u wh-sandbox2.bb2/src/interp/i-syscmd.boot.pamphlet wh-sandbox2/src/interp if (rc = 0) and doCompileLisp then - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:58:27 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: changes to SVN/git I've applied and tested the changes for the SVN copy bug. @@ -11829,17 +10288,11 @@ branches/daly is now for my own use and should be ignored. "silver" is trunk/axiom and all further commits will go there. -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: changes to SVN/git To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: - +Subject: Re: changes to SVN/git I'll change the AxiomSources page once I get access to my machine again unless someone beats me to it (I don't have my Zope password with me.) @@ -11848,9 +10301,6 @@ The silver SVN link needs to be switched to trunk/axiom. Are we going to continue syncing google or is that effort no longer ongoing? -Cheers, -CY - --- Tim Daly wrote: > I've applied and tested the changes for the SVN copy bug. @@ -11861,31 +10311,12 @@ CY > branches/daly is now for my own use and should be ignored. > > "silver" is trunk/axiom and all further commits will go there. -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - - ___________________________________________________________________________________ -You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck -in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:30:07 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: changes to SVN/git -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:30:07 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -11896,16 +10327,11 @@ People at Goolge were unhappy with our current practice of putting tarballs in repo. I'd suggest waiting till we find a common ground before restarting the mirror. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:30:17 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: changes to SVN/git -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:30:17 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -11920,15 +10346,10 @@ Tim Daly writes: Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:36:00 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: asq change Waldek, @@ -11937,16 +10358,11 @@ To introduce your asq.c file what is required? Do I need to rebuild all of the databases by hand? Does it depend on your "database from scratch" method? -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:53:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -Cc: list On Tue, 29 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -11971,16 +10387,11 @@ Waldek -- How was the full test cycle? --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:22:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Tue, 29 May 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -12000,17 +10411,10 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: It passed all my tests, I put it in current wh-sandbox. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:32:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: asq change > Waldek, @@ -12025,18 +10429,11 @@ Subject: Re: asq change Version in wh-sandbox should work in all version of Axiom, there are no dependencies. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:42:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: clisp and sbcl -Cc: list On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -12060,17 +10457,11 @@ On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: Great! -- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:45:48 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -Cc: axiom-devel - > This is due to recent change in wh-sandbox. The following patch > should fix this problem: @@ -12162,17 +10553,13 @@ make #cross your fingers - - \start -To: Franz Lehner -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:52:44 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: > > This is due to recent change in wh-sandbox. The following patch > > should fix this problem: @@ -12183,20 +10570,13 @@ AldorForAxiom immediately. Mayn thanks for your patience, -Martin - - - - \start -To: Franz Lehner -Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Jun 2007 05:05:26 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: [...] @@ -12220,13 +10600,9 @@ Franz Lehner writes: In the past, I have documented that you can just lndir in the ax-build dir and have everything setup... --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:44:48 -0700 -From: "Mike Hansen" +From: Mike Hansen To: list Subject: Problems building wh-sandbox @@ -12271,15 +10647,10 @@ make: *** [do_it.gcl] Error 1 How would I go about fixing this? -Thanks, -Mike - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Martin Rubey Date: 06 Jun 2007 14:23:07 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Bug #359 Dear Ralf, @@ -12309,19 +10680,11 @@ a map: reduce : (((A,B) -> B),List A,B) -> B scan : (((A,B) -> B),List A,B) -> List B - - -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox -To: Mike Hansen Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:36:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Mike Hansen +Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox > Hello, > I'm trying to build the wh-sandbox tree, but get the following error @@ -12383,18 +10746,11 @@ and start a fresh build. BTW: It is better to build in separate directory. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:40:11 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug #359 -Cc: axiom-devel On 06/06/2007 02:23 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Ralf, @@ -12435,17 +10791,11 @@ instead of map(beta, la). -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:44:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Waldek Hebisch, - axiom-dev +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox -Cc: > and start a fresh build. > @@ -12457,18 +10807,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/BuildAxiom is missing that completely. Could somebody add a bit of wisdom to that page? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:01:45 -0700 -From: "Mike Hansen" +From: Mike Hansen To: list Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox - - -Hello, I'm building in a directory wh-build which is different than wh-sandbox. I removed my copy of gcl and tried to have it build gcl @@ -12542,22 +10885,13 @@ On 6/6/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > and start a fresh build. > > BTW: It is better to build in separate directory. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - \start Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:38:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes - charset=UTF-8; - format="flowed" -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Google +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Quoting Alfredo Portes: @@ -12592,20 +10926,11 @@ only copies the source files and not the svn admin files. Then we can run a commit to update Google with this "snapshot" of the sources. Does that make sense to you? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:43:44 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: wh-sandbox and aldor - - <87r6opxus9.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-devel - > In the past, I have documented that you can just lndir in the ax-build > dir and have everything setup... @@ -12615,17 +10940,12 @@ directory is gone in wh-sandbox and appears to be essential for src_aldor to build. I am not an expert on Makefiles and adapted the directory structure to the Makefile rather than the opposite. -Franz - - - \start -Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox -To: Mike Hansen Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:05:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list - +To: Mike Hansen +Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox +Cc: Camm Maguire > Hello, > @@ -12693,19 +11013,12 @@ software involved: OS (Linux version), BFD library, gcc. CC-ing Camm Maguire, gcl maintainer. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:15:28 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page - <20070606103806.jgjy0v64hys0s80w@webmail.anikast.ca> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Google +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > If this is agreeable to everyone I would be very happy to help > you to setup a script. Maybe we could use SVK to checkout @@ -12720,16 +11033,10 @@ done with it. The google repository is now clean again. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Martin Rubey Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:18:15 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Re: Bug #359 I investigated a little further bug #359. Thanks to a helpful anonymous, we @@ -12778,17 +11085,11 @@ I tried to read upconstruct, upCOLLECT and coerceByFunction, but I have no idea what they are doing. In fact, I don't even see how upconstruct calls upCOLLECT and coerceByFunction. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: re: Bug #359 -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:57:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Bug #359 > I investigated a little further bug #359. Thanks to a helpful anonymous, we > can now trigger it simply by saying @@ -12857,7 +11158,7 @@ the real way from upCOLLECT to coerceByFunction: #15 bottomUpCompile {loc0=(# # |Boolean|),loc1=nil} [ihs=23] #16 upCOLLECT1 {loc0=(# (step |i| # ...) (# (step |i| # ...) (# (step |i| # ...) (# (step |i| # ...) (# (step |i| # ...) (# (# (step |i| # Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -13023,15 +11317,10 @@ interp/i-intern.boot.pamphlet:572:getValueFromEnvironment(x,mode) == interp/i-spec1.boot.pamphlet:896: op = "getValueFromEnvironment" => v interp/i-analy.boot.pamphlet:430: ['getValueFromEnvironment,MKQ id,MKQ envMode] -Martin - - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 02:26:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Database bootstrap I just managed to bootstrap Axiom starting from essentially empty @@ -13052,17 +11341,10 @@ Good news is that the whole process converged, but it is disturbing that when some type information is missing Spad compiler can make pretty weird type inferences. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:51:04 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Database bootstrap! Waldek, @@ -13071,16 +11353,11 @@ That's excellent! Hopefully you've kept good notes about which things are needed at each stage of the process so I can try to reproduce it. Great work, painfully achieved, I'm sure. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 06 Jun 2007 22:04:21 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Database bootstrap -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 06 Jun 2007 22:04:21 -0400 -Cc: list Waldek, @@ -13088,22 +11365,11 @@ I too would like to say Thanks! Untangling such a rats-nest is very much welcomed and appreciated. I too hope you could provide some notes describing the process. -Terrific work! - -Steve - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with - Axiom? -To: Alasdair McAndrew Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:00:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Is anybody actually doing mathematics with Axiom? > Hi Martin, > @@ -13132,18 +11398,11 @@ is related to computing ztransforms. In particular essentially all that inverseLaplace currently do is to decompose rational function into partial fractions and apply rule to each term separately. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: Safe version -To: Franz Lehner Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:31:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Franz Lehner +Subject: Re: Safe version Franz Lehner wrote: > > OTOH safety 3 means very significant slowdown. On the same machine @@ -13161,18 +11420,11 @@ IIRC one safe version I tested failed a few tests runnning out of stack space: safe version had tail recursion elimination disabled (but I do not see this probem in current build). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: problem plotting simple functions -To: Bill Page Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:42:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: problem plotting simple functions Bill Page wrote: > On June 3, 2007 7:42 PM Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -13281,21 +11533,12 @@ compiled code (when you execute code from the command line it is interpreted), however if some builtin gcl funtion gives wrong result interpreted code should show this. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:22:03 +0200 To: Martin Rubey -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qps4bbl1c.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page , - 'Gabriel Dos Reis' Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: AxiomUnit +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Hello, @@ -13330,22 +11573,12 @@ As we've already discussed in private mail some time ago, there are more things. But I suggest to switch to private communication again, as I do not want to abuse the Axiom Mailing list for third party projects. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:47:43 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: merge branches/daly to trunk -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <4664775B.9060700@hemmecke.de> -Cc: 'axiom-dev' , Bill Page +Cc: Bill Page Hello, @@ -13384,17 +11617,11 @@ a bit. However, I will have a look at Martin's work. Maybe this will help in finally providing AxiomUnit. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:02:58 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Safe version -Cc: list On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > I am just building safe version. Testsuite run took 235 minutes @@ -13415,21 +11642,12 @@ If I now have two versions of libaxiom.al, one built from wh-sandbox with safety 1 and another one with safety 3, but otherwise identical, is it necessary to compile my own packages for each version separately? -Franz - - - \start Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:35:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - boundary="----=_Part_48112_14189798.1181309700648" - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qps4bbl1c.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -Cc: axiom-dev , Bill Page , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: AxiomUnit +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis ------=_Part_48112_14189798.1181309700648 @@ -13452,31 +11670,10 @@ by "third party projects"? Regards, Bill Page. -------=_Part_48112_14189798.1181309700648 - -

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> Given that, what remains for AxiomUnit?

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Bill Page.

 

- -------=_Part_48112_14189798.1181309700648-- - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes -From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 Jun 2007 16:57:13 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware Dear Alfredo, @@ -13496,17 +11693,10 @@ Do you recall by chance whether this live cd contains Aldor, and Axiom with Aldor support compiled? If not, would it be difficult to add? (I wonder why people insist on MS Windows ...) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:42:05 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey - <9qy7iutrxy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: Live CD + Guess Package + Vmware Hi Martin, @@ -13522,16 +11712,11 @@ I could try to add it to a new image. I will let you know, -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:04:25 -0700 -From: "Mike Hansen" +From: Mike Hansen To: list Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox - I'm running a standard copy of Ubuntu 7.04 on a Core 2 Duo. @@ -13607,31 +11792,20 @@ On 6/6/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > software involved: OS (Linux version), BFD library, gcc. > > CC-ing Camm Maguire, gcl maintainer. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> - - \start -To: "Mike Hansen" -Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox - - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:24:52 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel , - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Mike Hansen +Subject: Re: Problems building wh-sandbox +Cc: Camm Maguire, Waldek Hebisch Dear Mike, Camm, Waldek, Camm, could you help? (Mike: please copy Camm for gcl related questions. He is the guru.) -"Mike Hansen" writes: +Mike Hansen writes: > I'm running a standard copy of Ubuntu 7.04 on a Core 2 Duo. > @@ -13722,26 +11896,11 @@ Martin > > software involved: OS (Linux version), BFD library, gcc. > > > > CC-ing Camm Maguire, gcl maintainer. -> > -> > -- -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:13:20 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_13288_18333181.1181355200766" Subject: Axiom under windows ------=_Part_13288_18333181.1181355200766 @@ -13767,26 +11926,11 @@ Just my Saturday morning 2 cents. -Alasdair -------=_Part_13288_18333181.1181355200766 - -As an experiment (to see if it would be possible to use with my students), I'm experimenting to see if I can run Axiom under windows.  I've downloaded Axiom 0.1.3, and that runs fine, in a console.  I've also downloaded cygTeXmacs, which is a huge download (80Mb), which I haven't got working quite yet. -

Now the trouble is that this setup: Axiom in TeXmacs in Cygwin in Windows, is three or four removes from a native system.  Ideally, we would want Axiom in a windows native executable interface (such as WxMaxima).  Since windows is, for better or worse, the predominant desktop OS currently, with no change likely in the foreseeable future, I would have thought that to make Axiom more popular, a native interface is required.  As an interim, maybe we need some sort of Axiom+TeXmacs+Cygwin installer, which involves the downloading of just -one file, and which then installs itself in a directory somewhere, with all appropriate links and paths set during the installing process.

Just my Saturday morning 2 cents.
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-Alasdair
- -------=_Part_13288_18333181.1181355200766-- - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:23:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Axiom under windows - boundary="----=_Part_54454_53586.1181363027668" -Cc: list - -------=_Part_54454_53586.1181363027668 On 6/8/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -13856,50 +12000,10 @@ axiom-developer archive. Regards, Bill Page. -------=_Part_54454_53586.1181363027668 - -
On 6/8/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote:
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As an experiment (to see if it would be possible to use with my students), I'm experimenting to see if I can run Axiom under windows.  I've downloaded Axiom -0.1.3, and that runs fine, in a console.  I've also downloaded cygTeXmacs, which is a huge download (80Mb), which I haven't got working quite yet.
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Although the cygwin version of TeXmacs is more current, I would not recommend running TeXmacs on Windows this way since it is both slow and uncomfortable for someone familiar with Windows. But if you must do this, then I recommend that at least you run Xming as your X-server instead of the cygwin version. Xming is a native windows application that integrates quite well with other windows applications. -
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I think the Windows native verison of TeXmacs is significantly more friendly to Windows users and I have used it very successfully with the native Windows version of Axiom. Unfortunately it is not currently actively maintained by the TeXmacs developers. There are some installation notes WinTeXmacs this at url: -
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If you must use the pre-compiled version of Axiom for Windows then I would suggest you use the newer version 0.1.4. Unfortunately even this version is badly out of date. So a better option would be to compile Axiom from the wh-sandbox sources using MSYS/MinGW. See: -
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Now the trouble is that this setup: Axiom in TeXmacs in Cygwin in Windows, is three or four removes from a native system.  Ideally, we would want Axiom in a windows native executable interface (such as WxMaxima).  Since windows is, for better or worse, the predominant desktop OS currently, with no change likely in the foreseeable future, I would have thought that to make Axiom more popular, a native interface is required. -
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Absolutely. We have been talking about this forever on the axiom-developer email list but there are no resources available to implement such an interface. The trouble is that by far most open source developers prefer Linux over Windows. Since Windows is a commerical proprietary operating system, the expectation is that the most appropriate develop and support software for this environment is by following the same model. Unfortunately there is no commerically motivated company that is currently interested in Axiom. -

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As an interim, maybe we need some sort of Axiom+TeXmacs+Cygwin installer, which involves the downloading of just -one file, and which then installs itself in a directory somewhere, with all appropriate links and paths set during the installing process.

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It would not be hard to create an Windows installer that included both Axiom and WinTeXmacs. Both of these use the same NSIS installation program. In fact the original Windows installer for Axiom was implemented by the same person who ported TeXmacs to Windows. You can check-out this history in the axiom-developer archive. -
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Regards,
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Bill Page.
- -------=_Part_54454_53586.1181363027668-- - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:34 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Axiom under Windows Alasdair, @@ -13937,19 +12041,11 @@ much more than opinions. As for the "foreseeable future" I'd have to say that the 30-year horizon (the project horizon) gives a lot of room for change. :-) -Tim - - - \start -To: Alfredo Portes, - axiom-dev -Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:19:11 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement Dear Alfredo, @@ -13973,18 +12069,11 @@ SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)$Lisp Please excuse me, if you find another problem, I'll try to answer quicker... -Martin - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, axiom-devel -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:16:04 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Dear Tim, @@ -14025,19 +12114,11 @@ lot of work to gcl, axiom, tex4ht, md5sum, a browser. I'd really hope that we could work together, -Martin - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" , - Alfredo Portes -Subject: Re: Axiom under windows - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:00:57 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes +Subject: Re: Axiom under windows Dear Bill, Alasdair, @@ -14053,18 +12134,11 @@ fun for students. Alfredo said he'd try to compile in Aldor support, too. In this case I'll try to use this live cd for the workshop. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, axiom-devel -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:40:55 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14077,19 +12151,11 @@ code, but with lack of interest of the community) I'll resurrect it if there is interest. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, axiom-devel -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:49:18 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Martin Rubey writes: @@ -14101,60 +12167,38 @@ run the webserver in the background. I don't really think that this is an issue, I'd propose to start an axiom dedicated to documentation anyway. But others seem to think differently... -Martin - - - - \start +Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:59:32 +0200 +From: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem To: Martin Rubey - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:59:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel Hello Martin, Le samedi 09 juin 2007 =E0 10:40 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : > Martin Rubey writes: ->=20 +> > > At least to me it seems that my mini-webserver is robust enough for > > professional work. I was unable to crash it. ->=20 -> Hm, that was wishful thinking, somehow. Sorry. It seems that I have g= -iven up -> working on it after some time, since I got slightly frustrated. (Not wi= -th the +> +> Hm, that was wishful thinking, somehow. Sorry. It seems that I have given up +> working on it after some time, since I got slightly frustrated. (Not with the > code, but with lack of interest of the community) ->=20 +> > I'll resurrect it if there is interest. I'm interested, since some time now, in console mode documentation so I would like to play with your code. My main problem is that I don't now what queries are acceptable. Can you give me some samples (in console -mode so something like getDocumentation("foo`%20`bar")) ?=20 - -Many thank. - -Greg - - - - +mode so something like getDocumentation("foo`%20`bar")) ? \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 15:35:10 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > I'll resurrect it if there is interest. > @@ -14204,46 +12248,33 @@ obinomial`2`n`(_$,_$)->_$`dOutputForm Hmm, not sure what the `253816 is. It seems that some debugging is necessary... -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> - <9qfy51qmi9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:47:23 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -Le samedi 09 juin 2007 =E0 15:35 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit :=20 -> Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 +Le samedi 09 juin 2007 =E0 15:35 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > > > I'll resurrect it if there is interest. -> >=20 -> > I'm interested, since some time now, in console mode documentation so= - I would +> > +> > I'm interested, since some time now, in console mode documentation so I would > > like to play with your code. ->=20 +> > Hm, but the main point of my code is to display the doc in a browser. Of course, I know that. -> > My main problem is that I don't now what queries are acceptable. Can = -you give +> > My main problem is that I don't now what queries are acceptable. Can you give > > me some samples (in console mode so something like > > getDocumentation("foo`%20`bar")) ? ->=20 -> OK. But I'd rather suggest you use=20 ->=20 -> ops: Database IndexCard :=3D getDatabase("o")$OperationsQuery ->=20 -> and read the documentation of Database. In fact, there is an example i= -n the +> +> OK. But I'd rather suggest you use +> +> ops: Database IndexCard := getDatabase("o")$OperationsQuery +> +> and read the documentation of Database. In fact, there is an example in the > axiom book. > Note that getDatabase hould return some large number (the number of all > operations in axiom). if it doesn't, get a better axiom. @@ -14251,34 +12282,30 @@ n the Hmm... I have to get a better Axiom, getDatabase returns 42. Now I know, apparently, why my tests were unsuccessful. -> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- ->=20 +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +> > getDocumentation takes a string of the form ->=20 +> > "op`params`origin" ->=20 -> where pattern matching is supported via the special sequence %20. (shou= -ld be +> +> where pattern matching is supported via the special sequence %20. (should be > changed in fact, it should better be the empty string.) ->=20 -> It returns a string which is the name of a html file generated via htex= -4ht. +> +> It returns a string which is the name of a html file generated via htex4ht. > The name is the md5sum code for the complete specification. > For example: > (12) -> getDocumentation "binomial`%20`OutputForm" > ["binomial","%20","OutputForm"] > ["obinomial`2`n`(_$,_$)->_$`dOutputForm``253816"] > "57fde9cb599e74b4e1917af8ae728a05" ->=20 +> > (12) "57fde9cb599e74b4e1917af8ae728a05.html" -> Type: = -String ->=20 +> Type: String +> > the result is (well, should be) the md5sum of ->=20 +> > obinomial`2`n`(_$,_$)->_$`dOutputForm ->=20 +> > Hmm, not sure what the `253816 is. It seems that some debugging is > necessary... @@ -14286,14 +12313,6 @@ Ok, thanks, that works for me with wh-sandbox and build-improvements. I will now be able to test your code, better understand it and probably experiment with it. -Many thanks for your patience. - -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -14313,32 +12332,15 @@ how to handle this task. The above book looks interesting and I was wondering if anyone more knowledgable could comment on whether it is a good starting point. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:44:04 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> - <9qfy51qmi9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181400443.6249.22.camel@ellipse> -Cc: axiom-devel Hi Greg, -On 6/9/07, Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem wrote: +On 6/9/07, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Ok, thanks, that works for me with wh-sandbox and build-improvements. I > will now be able to test your code, better understand it and probably @@ -14351,21 +12353,11 @@ no answer (maybe my problem was too obvious or silly)....I do not think the documentation on the wiki is correct or enough. -Thank you for your patience, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:48:53 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - - - <9qhcphlev4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Martin, @@ -14383,30 +12375,17 @@ first line and there it is correct. I really would like to work on this as soon as I understand more the code. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:57:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> - <9qfy51qmi9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181400443.6249.22.camel@ellipse> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:57:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel Alfredo Portes writes: > Hi Greg, > -> On 6/9/07, Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem wrote: +> On 6/9/07, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > > Ok, thanks, that works for me with wh-sandbox and build-improvements. I > > will now be able to test your code, better understand it and probably @@ -14655,19 +12634,11 @@ HyperDoc(): Exports == Implementation where (with-open-file (q fn) (si::copy-stream q s)) (close s))) - - - \start +Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:59:52 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - - - <9qhcphlev4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:59:52 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -14680,34 +12651,22 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: I'm confused. Does it work now on your system? - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Alfredo Portes - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> - <9qfy51qmi9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181400443.6249.22.camel@ellipse> - Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:33:56 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Alfredo Portes +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Le samedi 09 juin 2007 =E0 11:44 -0400, Alfredo Portes a =E9crit : > Hi Greg, ->=20 -> On 6/9/07, Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem wrote: ->=20 -> > Ok, thanks, that works for me with wh-sandbox and build-improvements.= - I +> +> On 6/9/07, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: +> +> > Ok, thanks, that works for me with wh-sandbox and build-improvements. I > > will now be able to test your code, better understand it and probably > > experiment with it. ->=20 -> Can you share your experiences and how you got it to work. I have been = -trying +> +> Can you share your experiences and how you got it to work. I have been trying > to test the code, but everytime it crashes on me...I had posted my > errors on the list but > no answer (maybe my problem was too obvious or silly)....I do not @@ -14719,23 +12678,11 @@ seems to translate ` to %60 so the request is badly parsed. I used Konqueror. I have another problem, Htlatex does not work on my Debian system (amd64 testing) but the LaTeX file is correctly generated. -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:34:27 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - - - <9qhcphlev4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q4plhw22v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Martin, @@ -14765,24 +12712,11 @@ Got "?binomial%60%20%60OutputForm" >> Error detected within library code: index out of range -Thank you, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:44:44 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - - - <9qhcphlev4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q4plhw22v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Martin, @@ -14819,29 +12753,14 @@ On 6/9/07, Alfredo Portes wrote: > > >> Error detected within library code: > index out of range -> -> Thank you, -> -> Alfredo -> - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> - <9qfy51qmi9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181400443.6249.22.camel@ellipse> - - <1181406836.6249.32.camel@ellipse> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 18:56:19 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Just one thing, Firefox seems to translate ` to %60 so the request is badly > parsed. @@ -14890,18 +12809,10 @@ Martin \start +Date: 09 Jun 2007 18:58:15 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: HyperDocReplacement - - - <9qhcphlev4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q4plhw22v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 09 Jun 2007 18:58:15 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -14913,16 +12824,10 @@ Alfredo Portes writes: Still, since you have firefox, (and I suspect also internet explorer) maybe you could experiment a little. Could you try "_" as separating character? - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Jun 2007 20:29:48 +0200 -Posted-To: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: axiom mode The following message is a courtesy copy of an article @@ -15600,14 +13505,10 @@ expects point anywhere after the last prompt." (insert ")se me au of") (axiom-eval))) - - - - \start -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Jun 2007 08:41:48 +0200 -Posted-To: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Re: axiom mode The following message is a courtesy copy of an article @@ -15730,15 +13631,10 @@ Martin (add-hook 'comint-output-filter-functions 'axiom-output-filter nil t) (sit-for 0 axiom-after-output-wait)) - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Jun 2007 09:24:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , - axiom-mail +From: Martin Rubey +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] [ANN] new version of axiom.el A new version of axiom.el (10-06-2007) is now available on @@ -15762,45 +13658,31 @@ Missing: (process-mark axiom-process), because for some reasons axiom-process is nil. It shouldn't be nil of course. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey - <9qlketlf0b.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qodjp5xm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181383172.4237.10.camel@ellipse> - <9qfy51qmi9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1181400443.6249.22.camel@ellipse> - - <1181406836.6249.32.camel@ellipse> - <9q645xxe18.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:30:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -Le samedi 09 juin 2007 =E0 18:56 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 09 juin 2007 =E0 18:56 +0200, Martin Rubey a =E9crit : [...] - * Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: ->=20 + * Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> > > Just one thing, Firefox seems to translate ` to %60 so the request > is badly > > parsed. ->=20 +> > Oh dear. Is there an ascii character which is forbidden in Axiom and > left > unchanged by every browser? Or, otherwise, is there a simple solution > to make > Lisp keep the case? Currently I use vertical bars and ->=20 -> (fn (and (eq get 'get)=20 +> +> (fn (and (eq get 'get) > (subseq (string (read s nil 'eof)) 1)))) ->=20 +> > but I think that this is not satisfactory. No idea. I'm temporary resurrecting some hypertex functionalities in my @@ -15816,11 +13698,10 @@ is finished, so... Another thing, Kai Kaminski did some work too in this area, I wonder how it can be used since wh-sandbox can now be built on top of Clisp. ->=20 -> > I have another problem, Htlatex does not work on my Debian system (am= -d64 +> +> > I have another problem, Htlatex does not work on my Debian system (amd64 > > testing) but the LaTeX file is correctly generated. ->=20 +> > Oh, did you write Eitan? No, that is right now, it's a bug in the Debian package. @@ -15828,57 +13709,38 @@ Copying /etc/tex4ht/tex4ht.env to ~/.tex4ht fixed this issue. I have looked at your HyperDoc package and in fact it's extremely simple to obtain documentation from Spad. Shame on me, I thought it was more -difficult than that.=20 +difficult than that. Greg ->=20 +> > Alfredo Portes writes: ->=20 +> > > (1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)$Lisp > > Got "?binomial%60%20%60OutputForm" ->=20 +> > > ["binomial%60%20%60OutputForm"] ->=20 -> Yes, that's just what Greg explained. The cure is to find another char= -acter -> which is forbidden in Axiom and left unchanged by your browser (and pre= -ferably, -> by any browser), and replace the "`" in line 46 of hyper.spad by that s= -ymbol. ->=20 -> ls :=3D split(s, char "`") ->=20 -> I did not check, but maybe "_" would be ok. I chose "`" since it is us= -ed by -> axiom as separator in the database, and I thought I'd better be consist= -ent. ->=20 +> +> Yes, that's just what Greg explained. The cure is to find another character +> which is forbidden in Axiom and left unchanged by your browser (and preferably, +> by any browser), and replace the "`" in line 46 of hyper.spad by that symbol. +> +> ls := split(s, char "`") +> +> I did not check, but maybe "_" would be ok. I chose "`" since it is used by +> axiom as separator in the database, and I thought I'd better be consistent. +> > It does not matter what separator one uses in line 26: ->=20 -> s: String :=3D concat([op.'name, "`", op.'type, "`", op.'or= -igin]) ->=20 -> It is only important, that different name, type, origin triples are map= -ped to +> +> s: String := concat([op.'name, "`", op.'type, "`", op.'origin]) +> +> It is only important, that different name, type, origin triples are mapped to > different string. ->=20 ->=20 -> Martin ->=20 ->=20 - - - - \start Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:37:28 -0400 From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <466C52F8.C249126E@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: testing hyperdoc package on Windows Dear Martin: @@ -15919,15 +13781,10 @@ but the same error. Do I need to run some webserver on Windows? Thanks. -William - - - \start -To: William Sit -From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows William Sit writes: @@ -15951,19 +13808,11 @@ William Sit writes: Try to put grep into the path. I guess that it's called by boot. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:02:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows - boundary="----=_Part_61636_17269102.1181509365093" - <9qbqfnzj9l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list ------=_Part_61636_17269102.1181509365093 @@ -16055,17 +13904,12 @@ Bill Page. ------=_Part_61636_17269102.1181509365093-- - - \start Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:12:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Spad and its object model - -Hi, - I've been thinking about the following for a long time now, and I susect it is time for me to let it go to the Axiom community for feedback. @@ -16086,18 +13930,11 @@ arrays to implement vtables (materialization of domains and packages). Not only it would help tame the problem of coherence, but also move to functionalities like "post facto extensions". -Comments? - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 10 Jun 2007 21:48:26 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 10 Jun 2007 21:48:26 -0400 -Cc: list Hello Gaby, @@ -16133,19 +13970,12 @@ exports introduced by `extend' are not visible to previous definitions, except via `has' predicates which execute during runtime. Are there other issues involved? -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:46:37 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:46:37 +0200 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -16190,13 +14020,10 @@ main(): () == { main() - - \start -To: William Sit -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:57:43 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows Dear all, @@ -16226,19 +14053,12 @@ number of operations in the database.) If it is 42 or so, you need to get a better axiom. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:25:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <9qd503j5lu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> IIRC new exports introduced by `extend' are not visible to previous >> definitions, except via `has' predicates which execute during runtime. Are @@ -16293,17 +14113,11 @@ main(): () == { main(); ---END aaa.as - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:45:49 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows - <9qbqfnzj9l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -Cc: list To remove the grep error do as explained by Waldek: @@ -16314,7 +14128,7 @@ Also you will need a newer version of axiom like wh-sandbox, as Martin explained in a previous email. Bill, were you able to compile wh-sandbox or build-improvements in windows? -On 6/10/07, Bill Page wrote: +On 6/10/07, Bill Page wrote: > On 10 Jun 2007 21:44:54 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > William Sit writes: > > @@ -16362,24 +14176,11 @@ On 6/10/07, Bill Page wrote: > > Otherwise, if that doesn't work, you might have to provide such > a GREP function yourself (just copy from the Axiom source). -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -To: Martin Rubey,William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:16:04 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Martin Rubey,William Sit Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On 11 Jun 2007 09:57:43 +0200 @@ -16423,17 +14224,11 @@ Note that grep IS in the path. (the hyper~1.spa is the DOS alias for hyper.spad: DOS uses 8.3 convention for file names and Axiom runs in DOS.) -William - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -To: Alfredo Portes,"Bill Page" - Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:36:39 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Alfredo Portes, Bill Page +Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:45:49 -0400 Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -16495,20 +14290,14 @@ William Yes, please Bill, if you can post a binary. But it needs to be more "native" to handle long file names. -William - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -To: "William Sit" William Sit,"Alfredo Portes" - Alfredo Portes, "Bill Page" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:00:46 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Alfredo Portes, Bill Page +Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:36:39 -0400 - "William Sit" William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: >(1) -> SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc) >grep.exe: libdb.text: No such file or directory @@ -16562,18 +14351,13 @@ library I would be able to get the entire database. I guess the newer Axiom would understand SOCKET? -William - - - \start -To: "William Sit" William Sit -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 14:50:04 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > (1) -> )library hyper > HyperDoc is now explicitly exposed in frame initial @@ -16600,20 +14384,12 @@ before trying SOCKET? No, I don't think that this will work. But to be honest, I do not know. In any case, at least wh-sandbox does not have this problem. - -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 08:55:11 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qd503j5lu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 08:55:11 -0400 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, list +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Ralf, @@ -16648,24 +14424,15 @@ enrichment of domains defined within a closed-source library, not as a general mechanism for solving the kind of mutually recursive definitions found in Axioms algebra. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -To: Martin Rubey,"William Sit" - William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On 11 Jun 2007 14:50:04 +0200 Martin Rubey wrote: ->"William Sit" William Sit writes: +>William Sit writes: > >> (1) -> )library hyper >> HyperDoc is now explicitly exposed in frame initial @@ -16722,20 +14489,14 @@ I have trouble with setting paths, but this is a known bug in Windows Axiom. But the present immediate problem is the socket to browser interface. -William - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -To: "William Sit" William Sit,Martin Rubey - Martin Rubey,"William Sit" William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:58:26 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 - "William Sit" William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: >SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)$Lisp > >simply "freeze" with no output. According to my firewall, @@ -16763,25 +14524,20 @@ run (to make my machine serve webpages? -- actually I probably don't want this at all; I would like only to serve pages to my local home network). -William - - - \start -To: "William Sit" William Sit -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 17:14:09 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows Dear William, first of all, thank you for your patience! -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:49:43 -0400 -> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +> William Sit wrote: > >SOCKET(8080, getDocumentation$HyperDoc)$Lisp > > > > simply "freeze" with no output. According to my firewall, it did ask to be a @@ -16869,19 +14625,12 @@ and send the result to the list and to Camm (including a copy of hyper.lisp). But I'm unlikely to be able to help. In particular, this probably means that my work was wasted, since it does not seem to work on windows. :-( -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:14:54 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> <87645uejm8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list, aldor-l , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 06/11/2007 02:55 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Hi Ralf, @@ -17007,24 +14756,12 @@ Integer misses some function. That new function is completely irrelevant to existing parts of the library and only plays a role in newer parts. "extend" in my eyes helps to keep libraries maintainable. -Ralf - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:55:21 -0400 From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <466D7069.7A151E30@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <9qr6oi4j7i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows - - Martin Rubey wrote: > > Dear William, @@ -17102,7 +14839,7 @@ cket 8080 (quote (#...} [ihs=22] #8 upLispCall {loc0=#,loc1=(# # (# (# |Lisp| (# # (# # #))...} [ihs=19] @@ -17151,17 +14888,10 @@ loc1=1} [ihs=7] NIL BOOT>> -William - - - \start -To: list, - <9qr6oi4j7i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <466D7069.7A151E30@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <9qir9u1nja.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:10:23 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows Martin Rubey writes: @@ -17198,24 +14928,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > > Did anybody get my code running on windows at all? Does si::socket work on > windows? -> -> Help! -> -> Martin - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:23:11 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows - <9qr6oi4j7i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <466D7069.7A151E30@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <9qir9u1nja.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q3b0yjwuo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list >> What? Is this axiom in 2007? How can you use axiom without reading >> input files? @@ -17224,20 +14942,14 @@ came up with handwritten notes for the exercise sessions ... but apparently reading input files worked. I did not investigate this further however. -Franz - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -To: Franz Lehner ,Martin Rubey - Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:28:49 -0400 -Cc: list +From: William Sit +To: Franz Lehner, Martin Rubey +Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:23:11 +0200 (CEST) - Franz Lehner wrote: + Franz Lehner wrote: >>>What? Is this axiom in 2007? How can you use axiom >>>without reading >>>input files? @@ -17253,17 +14965,11 @@ I recall it worked before too, but then it didn't again. On the other hand, (multi-line) cut and paste works (not worked). Maybe there was a patch and I lost it. -William - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:51:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -17317,21 +15023,12 @@ has a fixed lenght; it is because it is very tricky to ensure consistency. If you do static resolution of names (which I believe we should retain), then "future" dos not interfer with "past". --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 12:51:47 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qd503j5lu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> - <87645uejm8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466D66EE.6040204@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 12:51:47 -0400 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, list, - aldor-l - +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Thanks for doing the tests Ralf. The results do not suprise me, so I guess my memory is OK is this regard. @@ -17410,20 +15107,11 @@ notion of equality used by the compiler. This is exactly how I used `extend' myself. For resursive definitions I simply placed them all within the same compilation unit. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 13:15:02 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 13:15:02 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -17510,22 +15198,11 @@ is (in part) an introspective runtime operation. Often the argument contains a free variable. I dont see how static resolution of names fits in this context. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:35:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -17637,19 +15314,12 @@ Example of cases where it won't work? The hashtable repreentation vs. array representation has no semantics effect on well formed programs. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:42:12 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> <87645uejm8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <466D66EE.6040204@hemmecke.de> <871wgie8nw.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list, aldor-l , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > One basic rule would be that a domain `functor' memoizes its > arguments, and always returns the same object for equal arguments, @@ -17707,21 +15377,11 @@ because there is no (implementation of a) function and defining one yourself you would have to use "pretend Pointer". But even then I guess it might happen that you have "T=T" returning false. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:45:57 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qd503j5lu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> <87645uejm8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <466D66EE.6040204@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list - > Send complaints to Stephen Watt and Lauretiu Dragan. But if you have a 64bit > machine that could be some problem. There should be a hint by Christian @@ -17743,21 +15403,12 @@ Is this one of the errors http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2005-June/000074.html talks about? -Franz - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 14:20:47 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qd503j5lu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> - <87645uejm8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466D66EE.6040204@hemmecke.de> - <871wgie8nw.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <466D8974.9040008@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 14:20:47 -0400 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, list, - aldor-l +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -17856,25 +15507,11 @@ and the compiler should respect that definition at runtime. > and defining one yourself you would have to use "pretend Pointer". But > even then I guess it might happen that you have "T=T" returning false. -Precisely. - - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:22:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qd503j5lu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <466D06FF.3090003@hemmecke.de> <87645uejm8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <466D66EE.6040204@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: list, aldor-l Hi Franz, @@ -17932,21 +15569,11 @@ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-04-19 16:47 gccbug -> gccbug-4.1 Hope that lets you use Aldor now. -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 15:00:40 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 15:00:40 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -18102,22 +15729,11 @@ meaning you advocated purely compile-time resolution. Agreed. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -From: "Bill Page" -To: "'William Sit'" William Sit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:50:12 -0400 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: AcepkUGkBRv5nZWdRNenprxWsVw8RACzpaEg -Cc: 'axiom-devel' -Subject: RE: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed - to be positive?] Functions and Segments +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit +Subject: RE: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed to be positive?] Functions and Segments William, @@ -18167,23 +15783,11 @@ pointed out in your email. Can you imagine an actual application where it is interesting to define a segment over something that is not a Ring? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:20:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -18233,16 +15837,11 @@ string to explain how the symbol is used. How can that be surprising? But, I'm not doing that. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Spad and its object model -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:10:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Spad and its object model > > Hi, @@ -18329,24 +15928,11 @@ that it also needs parts from Implementation-MyExtension. IIUC Aldor is using sheme as above, only names differ. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 17:12:15 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 17:12:15 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -18406,18 +15992,11 @@ of the mappings which you require. I hope to clarify my own rusty comprehension of their layout in the process. Perhaps then we could look at the issues involved in more detail. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:26:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Spad and its object model -Cc: list On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -18468,23 +16047,11 @@ functions work. I don't think, that is the main problem. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 16:36:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jun 2007 16:36:43 -0500 -Cc: list Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -18525,24 +16092,11 @@ means? Sorry, "nothing fancy" is not an executable semantics. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:05:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:05:58 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | If the vtable can be interrogated with a variety of keys, allowing @@ -18574,27 +16128,11 @@ integer index is fast because it does not carry more information than the context can provide. For other situations, a different key can be used. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:14:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87ejkicfjt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -18614,26 +16152,11 @@ On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: In that case, can you remind me of your main objection to what I originally suggested? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:30:10 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87ejkicfjt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:30:10 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -18663,20 +16186,12 @@ _without_ changing the underlying representation. Global change to a hash would certainly cost us in execution time. I have not yet seen anything convincing me that a change is essential. -Steve - - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:06:40 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -Hello Martin, - Here are my tests: gcl-2.6.8pre just checked out today : fails in 'accept' with error: @@ -18692,18 +16207,10 @@ only tested hyper.lisp and the function 'server' printed "Got TEST" for the url 127.0.0.1:8080/test. Will try to know why 2.6.8pre from cvs fails in accept (windows only). - -Greg - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:32:48 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: lookup mechanisms Gaby, Waldek, Stephen, @@ -18711,19 +16218,11 @@ Gaby, Waldek, Stephen, It would be useful if you all cooperated in developing a document that describes the current mechanisms in detail. -Tim - - - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jun 2007 19:43:51 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: lookup mechanisms -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jun 2007 19:43:51 -0400 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -18735,20 +16234,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: I would be more then happy to contribute to such an effort. Count me in. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:43:56 -0400 From: William Sit To: list -Message-id: <466DDE3C.EF43F09D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Subject: Re: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed - to be positive?]Functions and Segments +Subject: Re: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed to be positive?]Functions and Segments Bill Page wrote: > @@ -18834,16 +16324,10 @@ why there should be two 'BY' constructs. Unfortunately, putting them in the same package would cause confusion when the parameter of SEGMENT is Integer. - -William - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:31:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Database bootstrap! > Waldek, @@ -18890,18 +16374,11 @@ files are recompiled needlessly. Also, I use lists of files which hardcode order -- ideally we should automatically generate such lists. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: re: Database bootstrap! -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:39:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: Database bootstrap! I wrote: > @@ -18917,19 +16394,11 @@ before applying the patch you need to remove src/share/*.daase I ommited the removal part from the diff because it would blow up size to few megabytes and make patch hard to read. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:01:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit -Subject: re: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed - to be positive?]Functions and Segments -Cc: list +Subject: re: [#358 Variable is apparently always assumed to be positive?]Functions and Segments On 6/11/07, William Sit wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -19006,28 +16475,11 @@ need respect some fixed total ordering. I am more inclined to think that the original definition given to BY was just a little ill conceived. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:19:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87ejkicfjt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87abv6cefh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -19071,15 +16523,10 @@ Why does that cost more than what you have proposed so far? I was looking more for feedback than convincing you -- I don't think I can convince you of anything. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:21:36 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Hyperdoc Martin, @@ -19244,16 +16691,10 @@ in the long term view. I don't think the current design is sufficient to carry us much further into the future. Indeed it is hardly sufficient to carry us between platforms. I think it needs to be created anew. -t - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Jun 2007 10:01:07 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Hyperdoc Dear Tim, @@ -19289,18 +16730,11 @@ In any case, since we are probably both continuing on our own, maybe you could still tell me how to get users, uses, dependents and depends. After all, this would have to be part of the "Crystal", too? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Hyperdoc To: Martin Rubey, Tim Daly -Cc: list - +Subject: re: Hyperdoc --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -19343,24 +16777,11 @@ still wading through ASDF and CLOS documentation, but I think the biggest single difficulty there would be calling noweb portably on different platforms.) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go -with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:54:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > hypertex and the libdb.text files (Gold is buggy here). I can no longer @@ -19379,28 +16800,16 @@ charater as part of filename (I plan to add a simple encoder which quotes all characters that need quoting). I hope that Windows has equivalent functionality. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:24:17 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" -From: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qps4bbl1c.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - -Cc: axiom-dev , Bill Page , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Christian Aistleitner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: AxiomUnit +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hello Bill, -On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:35:00 +0200, Bill Page +On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:35:00 +0200, Bill Page wrote: > On 6/8/07, Christian Aistleitner wrote: @@ -19419,7 +16828,7 @@ wrote: If I'd know that AldorUnit could be nicely ported to Axiom and if I'd also know that this approach would be the only valid one, I'd probably discuss the whole process on the mailing list. However, I've been told that -currently there are some scripts around to test Axiom code—which one is +currently there are some scripts around to test Axiom code which one is the best? I assume you would not want full length discussion about every single issue of all such scripts on the list. AxiomUnit would not automatically @@ -19443,17 +16852,11 @@ far as I can tell. Ralf might chime in here, if this not accurate. By "Third party project" I meant a project not endorsed or encouraged by Axiom. -Kind regards, -Christian - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:29:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Hyperdoc -Cc: list > 2. Replace the programs that translate LaTeX into other formats with > programs doing the same job, but written in Lisp. @@ -19484,22 +16887,12 @@ ahead of time. But still, we first need something reasonably good so that Axiom becomes more attractive to more developers. We desparately need more people. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:49:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner - <9qodjv60cc.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qps4bbl1c.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - - -Cc: axiom-dev , Bill Page , - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: Re: AxiomUnit +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 6/12/07, Christian Aistleitner wrote: > @@ -19546,8 +16939,7 @@ but it is hard to argue with the success of a lot of other open source projects... > To me AxiomUnit should be developed as an add-on library to Axiom. -> Along with tools to facilitate writing test (suites/cases/s) and executin= -g +> Along with tools to facilitate writing test (suites/cases/s) and executing > them. If later on people decide to integrate them into Axiom, it's fine. > @@ -19590,18 +16982,11 @@ In return about the only thing that the Axiom project can promise is that there will be a large number of other people who will be very grateful for your work. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:54:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Hyperdoc - <466E9FC8.80201@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On 6/12/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > .. @@ -19617,29 +17002,11 @@ On 6/12/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: That's worth repeating! :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 12 Jun 2007 10:18:18 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87ejkicfjt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87abv6cefh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 12 Jun 2007 10:18:18 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: [...] @@ -19676,21 +17043,12 @@ convince me that using a hash as doman representation is a bad idea :) Your proposing a deep systemic change. Such things must be torn apart and analyzed. Im just attempting to contribute to that process. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:22:15 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: axiom-dev +From: Ondrej Certik +To: list Subject: src_aldor2.tgz compilation problems -Hi, - the usual question these days - I installed aldor from aldor.org and then compiled axiom from wh-sandbox using commands: @@ -19733,16 +17091,10 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomBinaries And this works fine, but it is a version from 20060621. -Thanks, -Ondrej - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:34:51 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Hyperdoc Martin, @@ -19801,17 +17153,10 @@ s-expressions (e.g. graph structures) and latex pamphlets coming back to axiom from the browser front end. This requires a decent programming language in the browser. - -t - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:35:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Hyperdoc Martin, @@ -19824,19 +17169,10 @@ require a running axiom image. Do you happen to know where the code is that computes this information? I know its in there somewhere but I don't know off the top of my head. - - - -t - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:22:21 -0500 -To: "Christian Aistleitner" Christian Aistleitner -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Christian Aistleitner Subject: AxiomUnit Christian, @@ -19859,18 +17195,10 @@ input gracefully. Any and all forms of testing are vital and are to be strongly encouraged. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:15:38 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Bill Page Subject: Hyperdoc Ralf, Bill, @@ -19900,30 +17228,11 @@ Henry Ford didn't breed faster horses. We can shape our future in fundamentally new ways. Look to the 30 year horizon and imagine. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:29:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87ejkicfjt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87abv6cefh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <871wghcl3p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -19943,16 +17252,12 @@ directly the operation, but another step must be taken. There obviously is a huge effort invested in avoiding to answer issues I've raised. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Jun 2007 18:36:34 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Market share, was: Re: Hyperdoc -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Jun 2007 18:36:34 +0200 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Tim Daly writes: @@ -19977,16 +17282,9 @@ We need (good) contributors now. I'm working quite hard on that. But I tell you, if we are still less than 20 contributors end of next year, I'll probably stop with Axiom. (I think we are currently about 10, but I didn't count.) - - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:54:51 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) -From: Arthur Norman +From: Arthur Norman To: Bill Page Subject: RE: CCL maintenance. Cc: 'axiom-devel' @@ -20134,32 +17432,11 @@ irrelevant and should be purged from the Axiom tree. If Axiom wanted to stress effortless portability and a neat deliverable package it may be of some use to you. - - Arthur Norman - - - - \start +Date: 12 Jun 2007 13:16:39 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Spad and its object model - <87bqfndzx1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsyact0p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjmco4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87k5uaci1c.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87wsyajhqs.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87ejkicfjt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87abv6cefh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <871wghcl3p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 12 Jun 2007 13:16:39 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -20186,18 +17463,10 @@ ratio of lookups using alternative keys / integer keys would be small. Performance would not be impacted, and you have all the flexibility which you need in order to adress your issues with coherence. - -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:17:01 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Hyperdoc Martin, @@ -20217,20 +17486,11 @@ from every system. That is the notion behind the CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) idea. So far I've seen no-one who has even cared enough about standards to bother to comment on the idea. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:23:57 +0000 From: Vladimir Bondarenko To: list Subject: Re: Market share, was: Re: Hyperdoc - <9q1wghnn8t.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - charset=ISO-8859-1; - format="flowed" -Cc: Hello *, @@ -20238,19 +17498,17 @@ Hello *, > >> Ralf, Bill, >> ->> > Use the tools at hand and build something that can actually compete with ->> > current CAS (plural). We fight with the future and haven't even ->> reached the ->> > present. ->> +>>> Use the tools at hand and build something that can actually compete with +>>> current CAS (plural). We fight with the future and haven't even +>>> reached the present. + >> This isn't a competition, at least in my mind. -> + > You are quite wrong here, I think. Worldwide there are maybe 1000 -> Mathematicians interested in writing code, I suspect less. There are -> currently -> at least four competitors in the market of general purpose case, not counting -> SAGE. -> +> Mathematicians interested in writing code, I suspect less. There +> are currently at least four competitors in the market of general +> purpose case, not counting SAGE. + > MuPAD is so similar to Axiom, that, once it is more commonly adopted, we have > *no* chance of getting any new contributors. @@ -20290,29 +17548,14 @@ http://www.CAS-testing.org/ CAS Testing > (I think we are currently about 10, but I didn't count.) -> -> -> -> Martin -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - +> Martin \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:00:46 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Ondrej Certik +From: Franz Lehner +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: src_aldor2.tgz compilation problems -Cc: axiom-dev Hi, @@ -20322,16 +17565,10 @@ nothing, just have a look at http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-06/msg00192.html except for 64 bit, you are in exactly the same situation as I was ... -regards, -Franz - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 12 Jun 2007 20:03:42 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Hyperdoc Tim Daly writes: @@ -20398,21 +17635,12 @@ No I don't. Perhaps Waldek knows about it (I don't whether he is going to read this thread, so it might be better to ask him directly), since he made it work in wh-sandbox. As you know, in gold it does still not work. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:30:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Merging build-improvements to trunk - -Hi, - Last night I tried to do a merge of simple patches of Waldek (e.g. renaming of poly.ht to polys.ht) to trunk, but failed. I must confess right away that I do not have full access to my development environment andI was @@ -20435,35 +17663,24 @@ to pick a sensible common base yet. That is all. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Jun 2007 14:04:45 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Hyperdoc - <9qodjlvym9.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Jun 2007 14:04:45 -0500 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: -| I think, the easiest way to put off people is to discuss what great things one -| will do in the future. +| I think, the easiest way to put off people is to discuss what great +| things one will do in the future. Amen. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:42:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, axiom-dev +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk -Cc: > "svk smerge" needs a "base" to start with; I have not look a the history > to pick a sensible common base yet. @@ -20481,15 +17698,10 @@ wh-sandbox branched from build-improvements (r263) gdr-sandbox branched from build-improvements (r335) daly branched from trunk (r6) -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:57:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Hyperdoc Martin, @@ -20505,17 +17717,10 @@ working on my futuristic ideas. right. i'm on it. my time is yours. -t - - - - - \start +Date: 12 Jun 2007 23:01:00 +0200 To: Tim Daly From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Jun 2007 23:01:00 +0200 -Cc: list Subject: Re: Hyperdoc Tim Daly writes: @@ -20549,16 +17754,10 @@ getDependentsOfConstructor(con) == RSHUT stream val -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:08:45 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Hyperdoc If you do @@ -20569,24 +17768,18 @@ please post a trace. also, let me know what version of the system you're using. -t - - - - - \start -Subject: re: Hyperdoc -To: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:53:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Hyperdoc Martin Rubey wrote: -> In any case, since we are probably both continuing on our own, maybe you could -> still tell me how to get users, uses, dependents and depends. After all, this -> would have to be part of the "Crystal", too? -> + +> In any case, since we are probably both continuing on our own, maybe +> you could still tell me how to get users, uses, dependents and +> depends. After all, this would have to be part of the "Crystal", +> too? Later Martin wrote: @@ -20619,20 +17812,11 @@ Dependents kcdePage Looking at kcuPage one sees that it calls getUsersOfConstructor. Similarly kcnPage calls getImports. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Hyperdoc To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Cliff, I don't know why it is better to write everything anew in > LISP. Use the tools at hand and build something that can actually @@ -20668,40 +17852,21 @@ themselves, but that's just my opinion.) I assume the "standard" definition is "compiles and runs cleanly in modern environments and provides a reasonably functional interactive environment"? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:19:30 +0200 -Cc: list - - ---=-TME0RQM3uV6KGuWp5afs +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -Le mardi 12 juin 2007 =E0 14:54 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +Le mardi 12 juin 2007 =E0 14:54 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > Gregory Vanuxem wrote: -> > hypertex and the libdb.text files (Gold is buggy here). I can no long= -er +> > hypertex and the libdb.text files (Gold is buggy here). I can no longer > > use Axiom built on top of GCL because of a spurious bug in GCL -> > (conditional statements not handled) and wh-sandbox misses file relat= -ed -> > functions when built on top of SBCL. Anyway when time will permit I'l= -l ->=20 +> > (conditional statements not handled) and wh-sandbox misses file related +> > functions when built on top of SBCL. Anyway when time will permit I'll +> > Could you be more specific about file handling in Windows SBCL? AFAIK -> makedir is problematic (but I hoped that it would work if you have mkdi= -r +> makedir is problematic (but I hoped that it would work if you have mkdir > program in correct place) also chdir does not do much (but IIRC it is > taken verbatim from your Windows version). @@ -20717,9 +17882,7 @@ and you seem to assume a unix environment, why not using obey.bat ? That gives you a "shell" which provides some file related functions (after all this is Windows...). ->=20 -> Do you have problems with -> other functions? +> Do you have problems with other functions? (Do not take me wrong, consider what I'm saying with the tonality of a joke). Yes a lot! I would like to be able to (Windows and Linux): @@ -20812,20 +17975,11 @@ X1PdrVW8hhy4LpqZXgX/4Nr89eL8xepclSfYYwVf4OdVl28WQ4VWRaMCu7287Btvzy8W2xvSXn92 7lOVjhfuP+//P/af94fsP+/bNE2wVrFqxt0r2sohKd7tLVtF1+tmVsX3XE5VQvYvWPtTbHPhol0R 6Ao/cJFyfnWROsSWAzcr55WblbN7s+ryPZ9C/wGfK8ityB4AAA== - ---=-TME0RQM3uV6KGuWp5afs-- - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:49:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - -Cc: list On 6/12/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -20852,15 +18006,11 @@ Try: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/topics/winpsh/cmdline_std.mspx - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:09:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -20891,21 +18041,13 @@ previous statements: "svk merge" will work (and does) just fine. I was able to "forward port" Waldek's change from revision 242 to 243 -- renaming poly.{,p}ht to polys.{,p}ht. --- Gaby - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Jun 2007 21:21:55 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | On 6/12/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: | @@ -20941,22 +18083,14 @@ People who like spaces in pathnames should just learn leaving with that restriction in Axiom. Given the choice between Evil and useful functionality in Axiom, I don't hesitate one second. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:40:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - - - <87sl8wy4os.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 12 Jun 2007 21:21:55 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > My personal opinion is that funny characters (yes, I consider > whitespace in pathnames as funny) in pathnames are Evil. We @@ -20977,19 +18111,13 @@ Really, on Windows it is impossible to avoid dealing with paths that contain spaces since the standard locations for files are things like "Documents and Settings", "Program Files" and "My Documents". -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:48:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | On 6/12/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > | @@ -21029,20 +18157,11 @@ Cc: list I think that using funny characters in pathnames is stupid. But programs that mishandle such names are clearly broken. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 13 Jun 2007 00:04:10 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 13 Jun 2007 00:04:10 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Gaby, @@ -21054,20 +18173,11 @@ Tim would approve such changes. Am I mistaken? Moreover, Silver lives in SVN and Git. Where is the corresponding push to Git? - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 13 Jun 2007 06:35:23 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Hyperdoc -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 13 Jun 2007 06:35:23 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -21112,24 +18222,12 @@ Martin > > Looking at kcuPage one sees that it calls getUsersOfConstructor. > Similarly kcnPage calls getImports. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:44:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - - - <87sl8wy4os.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -21145,16 +18243,11 @@ support. You can put your files in different place. GHC installs in c:/GHC. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:46:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -Cc: list On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -21165,19 +18258,11 @@ While I'll not recommend to do anything active to unsupport funny characters, I'll clearly NOT spend excessive amount of resource getting it work. Those who believe the darly need them should contribute working codes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:53:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> - - <87sl8wbiv9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev On Tue, 13 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -21196,21 +18281,11 @@ already incorporate similar changes. The patch in question is already in the repository. It consists in renaming a file. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:19:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - - - <87sl8wy4os.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - -Cc: list On 6/13/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -21240,25 +18315,11 @@ This applies equally to Linux and Windows. What do you think is so hard about writing software that conforms fully to the file name conventions of these systems? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:54:04 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - boundary="----=_Part_26353_32033735.1181724844511" - - - <87sl8wy4os.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - - -------=_Part_26353_32033735.1181724844511 I must say that window's handling of file names is pretty strange. I run a subject which uses Matlab, in which the students have to use the "path" @@ -21273,7 +18334,7 @@ characters. But then, I'm old fashioned. -Alasdair -On 6/13/07, Bill Page wrote: +On 6/13/07, Bill Page wrote: > > On 6/13/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -21302,41 +18363,12 @@ On 6/13/07, Bill Page wrote: > This applies equally to Linux and Windows. What do you think is > so hard about writing software that conforms fully to the file name > conventions of these systems? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - -------=_Part_26353_32033735.1181724844511 - -I must say that window's handling of file names is pretty strange.  I run a subject which uses Matlab, in which the students have to use the "path" command to extend the path to inlcude a directory which holds some files specific to the subject.  Windows sometimes likes the drive and file names in lower case; sometimes in upper; sometimes in a mixture.  We can never tell... -

I do think that file and directory names should follow the alphanumeric convention of program variables, and not include white spaces or strange characters.  But then, I'm old fashioned.

-Alasdair

-On 6/13/07, Bill Page <bill.page@newsynthesis.org> wrote:
-On 6/13/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote:
>
> | Get real Gaby!
>
> There is nothing unreal in what I stated.
> Please contribute working codes if you believe you have -
> time to argue for its support.

??? The current versions of GCL and Axiom on Windows already
supports this. Could you give an example where the use of spaces
in file names causes problems?

> -
> | Really, on Windows it is impossible to avoid dealing with paths that
> | contain spaces since the standard locations for files are things like
> | "Documents and Settings", "Program Files" and "My Documents". -
>
> You can put your files in different place.  GHC installs in c:/GHC.
>

Why? That is like telling a Windows user that they should not store
files in their HOME directory.  It does not make sense to design a -
system that only works if you put your files in a non-standard place.
This applies equally to Linux and Windows. What do you think is
so hard about writing software that conforms fully to the file name
conventions of these systems? -

Regards,
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- -------=_Part_26353_32033735.1181724844511-- - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:51:12 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: src_aldor2.tgz compilation problems - -Cc: axiom-dev > nothing, just have a look at > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-06/msg00192.html @@ -21419,24 +18451,11 @@ make[1]: *** Deleting file `/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor/as/attrib.as' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor' make: *** [all] Error 2 - -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:10:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - - - <87sl8wy4os.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - - <1d67a53c0706130154i6ab7c676n1f50063e58094c9d@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list On 6/13/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > ... @@ -21457,17 +18476,11 @@ But the point is that one should not implement software that assumes this restriction. I think Waldek said it best: "programs that mishandle such names [with funny characters] are clearly broken". -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: re: Hyperdoc -To: Martin Rubey Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:46:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Hyperdoc Martin Rubey rote: > @@ -21491,22 +18504,11 @@ call it from Spad you need to use something like: or maybe use FIND_-SYMBOL insted of INTERN. I do not know if there is easier method to pass Lisp symbol from Spad to Lisp function. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 13 Jun 2007 08:45:24 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> - - <87sl8wbiv9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 13 Jun 2007 08:45:24 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -21532,19 +18534,11 @@ no objection. My question was with regards to the commit process. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:19:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Hyperdoc - -Cc: list On 6/13/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Martin Rubey rote: @@ -21591,22 +18585,12 @@ Note that on Axiom for Windows 0.1.4 I get the following error: but I think that may be corrected in wh-sandbox compiled for Windows. I will test that later. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> - - <87sl8wbiv9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjkauqj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 13 Jun 2007 12:42:28 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list +Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson writes: [...] @@ -21631,28 +18615,13 @@ I did not do an exhustive search, so there may still be others. Changing just poly.ht and poly.pht does not solve the problem. - I would like to _strongly_ petition commiters to Silver to attempt commits which respect the notion of a changeset. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:28:49 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" , - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Merging build-improvements to trunk The change to poly.ht and poly.pht are part of a global change @@ -21666,17 +18635,11 @@ I have made a commitment to keep the git and SVN versions in sync so I'll have to backport Gaby's change. Unfortunately this will collide with the #353 bug fix. -Tim - - - \start Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:38:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: Hyperdoc - -Cc: list On 6/13/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -21736,17 +18699,10 @@ INT ----------------- PARENTS -------------------- NIL -... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: list Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:55:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: Algebra speedups Below you will find a patch (applied to wh-sandbox 603) which @@ -21895,24 +18851,11 @@ diff -ru por/wh-20070530/src/algebra/vector.spad.pamphlet wh-20070530/src/algebr retract(z:%):R == same? z => z(minIndex z) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> - - <87sl8wbiv9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjkauqj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -21923,15 +18866,15 @@ On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: | > | Gaby, | > | | > | I am curious about this change to truck. -| > -| > It is a change everybody discusses here a long time ago and agrees that -| > it is what we have to do. If you believe people spend resource making stupid -| > pathnames work, then you should logically approve the idea of supporting check -| > out of Axiom source code on brain damaged file systems that are care -| > preserving but case insensitive. -| > The change in question disambiguate between poly.ht and Poly.ht. Tim has -| > already incorporate similar changes. -| > + +| > It is a change everybody discusses here a long time ago and agrees +| > that it is what we have to do. If you believe people spend +| > resource making stupid pathnames work, then you should logically +| > approve the idea of supporting check out of Axiom source code on +| > brain damaged file systems that are care preserving but case +| > insensitive. The change in question disambiguate between poly.ht +| > and Poly.ht. Tim has already incorporate similar changes. + | > The patch in question is already in the repository. It consists in | > renaming a file. | @@ -21942,22 +18885,11 @@ As I said, the patch is already in the archive. BTW, I don't have a working git tool on windows. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:12:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk - <466EF72C.2060709@hemmecke.de> - - <87sl8wbiv9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87odjkauqj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87ir9rbybv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -21984,15 +18916,10 @@ more resources to do it -- I'll revert my commit in a moment. It does not seem that I critically depend on it -- I can build wh-sandbox and build-improvements. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:24:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -22012,22 +18939,11 @@ I just arrived at my final destination, travelling all day yesterday, so I did not have access to network. I'm a bit jet lagged, but as soon as I recover a bit of my brain I'll revert my commit in case you have not committed already. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:52:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows - - - <87sl8wy4os.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - -Cc: list On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -22074,16 +18990,10 @@ I guess, I'm the only one to care about "priority given limited resources", "good enough" and "incremental improvements". This is my last word on the subject. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:12:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly - -Cc: list Subject: Re: Merging build-improvements to trunk On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -22091,22 +19001,15 @@ On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | I just arrived at my final destination, travelling all day yesterday, so I did | not have access to network. I'm a bit jet lagged, but as soon as I recover a | bit of my brain I'll revert my commit in case you have not committed already. - Done. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Jun 2007 07:49:11 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > reduce(+,[1.0/i for i in 1..20000]) > > @@ -22118,19 +19021,12 @@ Bill, could you file that as a bug on MathAction, please. (If you have an sbcl compiled axiom available, you could check whether it is gcl's fault, or rather a bug in axiom.) -Martin - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: Hyperdoc - - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Jun 2007 07:57:45 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Hyperdoc +Cc: Camm Maguire Dear Bill, et al., @@ -22149,20 +19045,12 @@ windows, too? Sorry that I'm so ignorant about these things. Maybe some other lisp that can compile axiom on windows has some possibility to communicate with a browser? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:25:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Hyperdoc - - - <9qk5u5vjxi.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On 15 Jun 2007 07:57:45 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -22212,23 +19100,14 @@ this work. -:( BTW, how is the Axiom Workshop going? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: Hyperdoc - - - <9qk5u5vjxi.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Jun 2007 08:35:48 +0200 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Hyperdoc +Cc: Camm Maguire -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > and, most importantly, sockets on windows! > @@ -22240,27 +19119,20 @@ In fact, that's good news. But, why couldn't anybody run my code on windows so far? See for example William Sit's attempts. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:40:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - - <9q8xalepig.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-devel Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation On 15 Jun 2007 07:49:11 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > > > reduce(+,[1.0/i for i in 1..20000]) -> > > -> > > This works, but is (I think) unreasonably slow; it takes over 21 seconds on -> > > my computer. The equivalent command in Maxima takes less than 1 second. -> + +> > > This works, but is (I think) unreasonably slow; it takes over 21 +> > > seconds on my computer. The equivalent command in Maxima takes +> > > less than 1 second. + > Bill, could you file that as a bug on MathAction, please. Well, I would rather that somebody new do that. Alasdair? :-) @@ -22295,22 +19167,11 @@ Still, maybe this is a job for someone who knows how to use the sbcl profiler to find out where the Axiom interpreter is spending all it's time - Waldek? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:50:32 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Hyperdoc - - - <9qk5u5vjxi.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qodjhd8sb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list Hi Martin, @@ -22320,26 +19181,15 @@ Hi Martin, But I think you pointed out that one needs wh-sandbox fixes to run the code. I do not know how many people have it on windows. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:58:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Hyperdoc - - - <9qk5u5vjxi.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qodjhd8sb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On 15 Jun 2007 08:35:48 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > > and, most importantly, sockets on windows! > > @@ -22359,24 +19209,16 @@ the tests that I did were all done with a version of Axiom compiled from the same sources as axiom-0.1.4 but with a new GCL compiler. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: src_aldor2.tgz compilation problems -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Ondrej Certik - - <85b5c3130706130251t5266aaf7o5675832fb3b553c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:49:56 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev , - Franz Lehner +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: src_aldor2.tgz compilation problems +Cc: Franz Lehner Hello Ondrej, -Look at section 10 of=20 +Look at section 10 of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AldorForAxiom @@ -22388,78 +19230,73 @@ Greg Le mercredi 13 juin 2007 =E0 11:51 +0200, Ondrej Certik a =E9crit : > > nothing, just have a look at -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-06/msg00192= -.html +> > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-06/msg00192.html > > except for 64 bit, you are in exactly the same situation as I was ... ->=20 +> > Thanks very much, that helped a lot. Here are the steps, that worked > for me, but still I get some error at the end (I looked into the > axiom-dev archives, but didn't find a way how to fix it): ->=20 -> svn co https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/wh-sand= -box +> +> svn co https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/wh-sandbox > cd wh-sandbox > svn co -> https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvem= -ents/gcl +> https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/branches/build-improvements/gcl > gcl > cd zips > wget -> https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk/axiom/zips/noweb-= -2.10a.tgz ->=20 +> https://axiom.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/axiom/trunk/axiom/zips/noweb-2.10a.tgz +> > cd ../.. > mkdir ax-build > cd ax-build > ../wh-sandbox/configure > make ->=20 +> > #get some coffee > #the build took 12 hours on AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ > #3 hours on intel core duo ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > #Aldor -> export AXIOM=3D$WHEREVERYOUARE/ax-build/target/i686-pc-linux -> export ALDORROOT=3D/linux/1.0.2 ->=20 ->=20 +> export AXIOM=$WHEREVERYOUARE/ax-build/target/i686-pc-linux +> export ALDORROOT=/linux/1.0.2 +> +> > (cd $AXIOM/bin; ln -s ../../../build/scripts/document .) > mkdir -p obj/i686-pc-linux > cd obj/i686-pc-linux > ln -s ../../build/i686-pc-linux/bin . > ln -s ../../src/interp/ . > cd ../.. ->=20 +> > cd src > #for axiom.sty > ln -s ../../wh-sandbox/src/scripts/ . ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > tar xzf ../../src_aldor2.tgz > cd aldor > ln -s ../../build/i686-pc-linux . ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > #extract the Makefiles > for pp in *.pamphlet; do document $pp;done ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > make > #after error > touch ../../int/aldor/dep_spad.stamp > document Make.functions.pamphlet > make > #crossed my fingers and got: ->=20 +> > ondra@syslik:~/ext/ax-build/src/aldor$ make > Building libaxiom.al and associated files > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor' > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor/types.mk:156: > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor/saxiom/spadset.mk -> /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor/Make.rules:179: ALL SPADSETS sax0 s= -axiom +> /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor/Make.rules:179: ALL SPADSETS sax0 saxiom > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor/Make.rules:200: (0,0) > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor/Make.rules:200: (1,1) > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor/Make.rules:106: W: 1 I: 1 @@ -22469,40 +19306,25 @@ axiom > /home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor/as/attrib.as > Please add new attributes to /attrib.as.head > make[1]: *** [/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor/as/attrib.as] Error 1 -> make[1]: *** Deleting file `/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor/as/attri= -b.as' +> make[1]: *** Deleting file `/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/int/aldor/as/attrib.as' > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ondra/ext/ax-build/src/aldor' > make: *** [all] Error 2 ->=20 ->=20 -> Ondrej ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - - - +> \start -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:28:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation Bill Page wrote: > On 15 Jun 2007 07:49:11 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > > > > > reduce(+,[1.0/i for i in 1..20000]) -> > > > -> > > > This works, but is (I think) unreasonably slow; it takes over 21 seconds on -> > > > my computer. The equivalent command in Maxima takes less than 1 second. -> > + +> > > > This works, but is (I think) unreasonably slow; it takes over +> > > > 21 seconds on my computer. The equivalent command in Maxima +> > > > takes less than 1 second. + > > Bill, could you file that as a bug on MathAction, please. > > Well, I would rather that somebody new do that. Alasdair? :-) @@ -22562,23 +19384,12 @@ sbcl profiler showed that 98% of time were spent in Lisp evaluator, and that agrees very well with getting much higher speed using compiled mode. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:13:33 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: src_aldor2.tgz compilation problems - - <85b5c3130706130251t5266aaf7o5675832fb3b553c3@mail.gmail.com> - <1181904596.4158.5.camel@ellipse> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Franz Lehner +Cc: Franz Lehner VGhhdCB3b3JrZWQuIFRoZSBheGlvbSBpcyBub3cgaW5zdGFsbGVkLiBUaGFua3MgdmVyeSBtdWNo LgoKT25kcmVqCgpPbiA2LzE1LzA3LCBHcmVnb3J5IFZhbnV4ZW0gPGcudmFudXhlbUB3YW5hZG9v @@ -22640,15 +19451,12 @@ X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo+ID4gQXhpb20tZGV2ZWxvcGVyIG1h aWxpbmcgbGlzdAo+ID4gQXhpb20tZGV2ZWxvcGVyQG5vbmdudS5vcmcKPiA+IGh0dHA6Ly9saXN0 cy5ub25nbnUub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vYXhpb20tZGV2ZWxvcGVyCj4gPgo+Cj4KPgo= - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:59:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: Camm Maguire, axiom-devel +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation +Cc: Camm Maguire On 6/15/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -22709,30 +19517,16 @@ Camm, Tim, and Lisp et al., is there anything equivalent to: in GCL? A quick google for this did not turn up anything. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:02:07 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: re: Hyperdoc To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <4672B7FF.5A8155C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - - - <9qk5u5vjxi.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qodjhd8sb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Camm Maguire, list - - +Subject: re: Hyperdoc +Cc: Camm Maguire Martin Rubey wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > > and, most importantly, sockets on windows! > > @@ -22786,7 +19580,7 @@ cket 8080 (quote (#...} [ihs=22] #7 upLispCall {loc0=#,loc1=(# # (# (# |Lisp| (# # (# # #))...} [ihs=19] @@ -22878,7 +19672,7 @@ entation|)),loc1=...} [ihs=22] ntation|)),loc1=...} [ihs=21] #13 interpretTopLevel {loc0=((|$elt| |Lisp| socket) 8080 (|$elt| |HyperDoc| |g -etDocumentation|)),loc1=...} [ihs=20] +etDocumentation|)),loc1=...} [ihs] #14 processInteractive1 {loc0=((|$elt| |Lisp| socket) 8080 (|$elt| |HyperDoc| |getDocumentation|)),loc1=...} [ihs=19] @@ -22907,8 +19701,7 @@ loc1=1} [ihs=12] getDocumenta tion$HyperDoc)$Lisp",loc4...} [ihs=11] #23 SpadInterpretStream {loc0=1,loc1=(tim daly -?),loc2=t,loc3="axiom014",loc4= -"mnt",loc5="windows",loc6=...} [ihs=10] +?),loc2=t,loc3="axiom014",loc4"mnt",loc5="windows",loc6=...} [ihs=10] #24 intloop {} [ihs=9] #25 ncIntLoop {loc0=".axiom.input",loc1=".axiom.input"} [ihs=8] #26 ncTopLevel {loc0=nil,loc1=|.axiom|,loc2=:internal,loc3=#> - - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:11:25 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: re: Hyperdoc To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <4672BA2D.CA7CDA11@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - - - <9qk5u5vjxi.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qodjhd8sb.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Subject: re: Hyperdoc +Cc: Camm Maguire According the Microsoft, after World Wide Web Publishing started, web pages should be placed in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot. @@ -23754,18 +20533,12 @@ Currently, only iisstart.asp exists. "To add documents to your default Web site, save files in c:\inetpub\wwwroot\. -William - - - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: re: Hyperdoc -To: Martin Rubey Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:34:43 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +To: Martin Rubey +From: William Sit +Subject: re: Hyperdoc +Cc: Camm Maguire So if anyone knows how to write a cgi script (or other script) that reads the URL and communicate with Axiomsys @@ -23778,10 +20551,6 @@ local (trusted) network like a home network. Or is the Axiomsys to Browser connection independent of World Wide Web Publishing? - - -William - On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:11:25 -0400 William Sit wrote: >According the Microsoft, after World Wide Web Publishing @@ -23811,21 +20580,12 @@ On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:11:25 -0400 > > -William Sit, -Professor of Mathematics, City College of New York - -Office: R6/202C Tel: 212-650-5179, Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - \start Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:58:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" William Sit +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: re: Hyperdoc - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire On 6/15/07, William Sit wrote: > So if anyone knows how to write a cgi script (or other @@ -23858,17 +20618,10 @@ avoid any potential for interference (not likely but possible). What Martin wrote provides it's own web server that runs entirely within the AXIOMsys program. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Robert Boyer,Warren Hunt -From: Camm Maguire Date: 15 Jun 2007 19:57:16 -0400 -Cc: Maxima List , list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Boyer,Warren Hunt Subject: real and complex floating point on C stack Greetings! Just FYI regarding some recent gcl work: @@ -23948,24 +20701,10 @@ direct call to the C routine in libm can proceed without boxing. These are just some examples -- many other such functions have now been implemented in gcl_mnum.lsp. -Take care, - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, list, - "Maxima List" , Robert Boyer, - Warren Hunt - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:15:51 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt Subject: New dynamic library access in GCL Greetings! GCL now has the ability to access arbitrary external @@ -24269,24 +21008,10 @@ Notes: 8) loaded .o code keeps a list of its external pointers in use, which are then reset on image re-execution. -Enjoy! - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, list, - "Maxima List" , Robert Boyer, - Warren Hunt - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire -Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:25:39 -0400 -Cc: +\start +Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:25:39 +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt Subject: GCL and complex arithmetic Greetings! GCL now supports unboxed complex arithmetic using the C99 @@ -24294,17 +21019,16 @@ C semantics for complex operations. THis is precisely akin to the traditional support for unboxed fixnums, short and double floats. My commenst below next to ***: -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +========================== +== >(disassemble 'sin nil) ;; Compiling /tmp/gazonk_22733_0.lsp. -;; End of Pass 1. =20 -;; End of Pass 2. =20 -;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=3D0 (No runtime error checking), Space=3D0, Spee= -d=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) +;; End of Pass 1. +;; End of Pass 2. +;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0, Speed=3, (Debug quality ignored) ;; Finished compiling /tmp/gazonk_22733_0.o. #include "gazonk_22733_0.h" @@ -24322,54 +21046,53 @@ TTL:; goto T3; goto T5; T5:; - V2=3D (VFUN_NARGS=3D4,(/* CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL */(*LnkLI7)(((object)VV[0]),(V= -2),((object)VV[1]),Cnil))); + V2= (VFUN_NARGS=4,(/* CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL */(*LnkLI7)(((object)VV[0]),(V2),((object)VV[1]),Cnil))); goto T3; T3:; {register object V4; - V4=3D V2; + V4= V2; /*(CNUM-TYPE X)*/ {object V6; - V6=3D (V4); + V6= (V4); {fixnum V7; - V7=3D (fixnum)type_of((V6)); - V8 =3D V7; - if(!((V8)!=3D((fixnum)6))){ + V7= (fixnum)type_of((V6)); + V8 = V7; + if(!((V8)!=((fixnum)6))){ goto T10;} - V5=3D V7; + V5= V7; goto T7; goto T10; T10:;switch((fixnum)type_of(((V6))->cmp.cmp_real)){ case 4: goto T13; T13:; - V5=3D (fixnum)30; + V5= (fixnum)30; goto T7; case 5: goto T14; T14:; - V5=3D (fixnum)31; + V5= (fixnum)31; goto T7; default: goto T15; T15:; - V5=3D (fixnum)6; + V5= (fixnum)6; goto T7; - V5=3D fix(Cnil); + V5= fix(Cnil); goto T7;} - V5=3D fix(Cnil);}} + V5= fix(Cnil);}} /* END (CNUM-TYPE X)*/ goto T7; T7:;switch(V5){ case 5: goto T18; T18:; - {object V9 =3D make_longfloat(((double(*)(double))dlsin)(lf((V4))));VMR1 + {object V9 = make_longfloat(((double(*)(double))dlsin)(lf((V4))));VMR1 (V9);} case 4: goto T19; T19:; - {object V10 =3D make_shortfloat(((float(*)(float))dlsinf)(sf((V4))));VMR1 + {object V10 = make_shortfloat(((float(*)(float))dlsinf)(sf((V4))));VMR1 (V10);} case 1: goto T20; @@ -24383,60 +21106,58 @@ T22:; /*(FLOAT X 0.0)*/ {register object V12; register double V13; - V12=3D (V4); - V13=3D lf(((object)VV[2])); - V13=3D lf(((object)VV[2])); + V12= (V4); + V13= lf(((object)VV[2])); + V13= lf(((object)VV[2])); {register object V14; - V14=3D (V12); + V14= (V12); /*(CNUM-TYPE X)*/ {register object V16; - V16=3D (V14); + V16= (V14); {register fixnum V17; - V17=3D (fixnum)type_of((V16)); - V15=3D V17;}} + V17= (fixnum)type_of((V16)); + V15= V17;}} /* END (CNUM-TYPE X)*/switch(V15){ case 1: goto T43; T43:; - V11=3D ( 1. )*(fix((V14))); + V11= ( 1. )*(fix((V14))); goto T32; case 2: goto T44; T44:; {register double V18; - V18=3D big_to_double((V14)); - V11=3D V18; + V18= big_to_double((V14)); + V11= V18; goto T32;} case 3: goto T45; T45:; {register double V19; - base[0]=3D (V14); - vs_top=3D(vs_base=3Dbase+0)+1; + base[0]= (V14); + vs_top=(vs_base=base+0)+1; (void) (*Lnk8)(); - vs_top=3Dsup; - V19=3D lf(({register object _z=3Dvs_base[0];_z;})); - V11=3D V19; + vs_top=sup; + V19= lf(({register object _z=vs_base[0];_z;})); + V11= V19; goto T32;} - V11=3D lf(Cnil); + V11= lf(Cnil); goto T32;} - V11=3D lf(Cnil);}} + V11= lf(Cnil);}} /* END (FLOAT X 0.0)*/ goto T32; T32:; - {object V20 =3D make_longfloat(((double(*)(double))dlsin)(V11));VMR1 + {object V20 = make_longfloat(((double(*)(double))dlsin)(V11));VMR1 (V20);} case 31: goto T23; T23:; *** lfc/sfc are C macros unboxing a complex from the lisp object - {object V21 =3D make_dcomplex(((dcomplex(*)(dcomplex))dlcsin)(lfc((V4))));= -VMR1 + {object V21 = make_dcomplex(((dcomplex(*)(dcomplex))dlcsin)(lfc((V4))));VMR1 (V21);} case 30: goto T24; T24:; - {object V22 =3D make_fcomplex(((fcomplex(*)(fcomplex))dlcsinf)(sfc((V4))))= -;VMR1 + {object V22 = make_fcomplex(((fcomplex(*)(fcomplex))dlcsinf)(sfc((V4))));VMR1 (V22);} default: goto T25; @@ -24447,12 +21168,12 @@ T25:; {object V26; /*(REALPART X)*/ {register object V27; - V27=3D (V4); + V27= (V4); {register object V28; - V28=3D (V27); + V28= (V27); /*(CNUM-TYPE X)*/ {register object V29; - V29=3D (V28);switch((fixnum)type_of(((V29))->cmp.cmp_real)){ + V29= (V28);switch((fixnum)type_of(((V29))->cmp.cmp_real)){ default: goto T70; T70:; @@ -24461,46 +21182,46 @@ T70:; /* END (CNUM-TYPE X)*/ goto T68; T68:; - V26=3D ((V28))->cmp.cmp_real;}} + V26= ((V28))->cmp.cmp_real;}} /* END (REALPART X)*/ - V24=3DV26;} - V25=3D lf(((object)VV[2])); - V25=3D lf(((object)VV[2])); + V24=V26;} + V25= lf(((object)VV[2])); + V25= lf(((object)VV[2])); {register object V30; - V30=3D (V24); + V30= (V24); /*(CNUM-TYPE X)*/ {register object V16; - V16=3D (V30); + V16= (V30); {register fixnum V17; - V17=3D (fixnum)type_of((V16)); - V31=3D V17;}} + V17= (fixnum)type_of((V16)); + V31= V17;}} /* END (CNUM-TYPE X)*/switch(V31){ case 1: goto T84; T84:; - V23=3D ( 1. )*(fix((V30))); + V23= ( 1. )*(fix((V30))); goto T63; case 2: goto T85; T85:; {register double V32; - V32=3D big_to_double((V30)); - V23=3D V32; + V32= big_to_double((V30)); + V23= V32; goto T63;} case 3: goto T86; T86:; {register double V33; - base[0]=3D (V30); - vs_top=3D(vs_base=3Dbase+0)+1; + base[0]= (V30); + vs_top=(vs_base=base+0)+1; (void) (*Lnk8)(); - vs_top=3Dsup; - V33=3D lf(({register object _z=3Dvs_base[0];_z;})); - V23=3D V33; + vs_top=sup; + V33= lf(({register object _z=vs_base[0];_z;})); + V23= V33; goto T63;} - V23=3D lf(Cnil); + V23= lf(Cnil); goto T63;} - V23=3D lf(Cnil);}} + V23= lf(Cnil);}} /* END (FLOAT (REALPART X) 0.0)*/ goto T63; T63:; @@ -24510,12 +21231,12 @@ T63:; {object V37; /*(IMAGPART X)*/ {register object V38; - V38=3D (V4); + V38= (V4); {register object V39; - V39=3D (V38); + V39= (V38); /*(CNUM-TYPE X)*/ {register object V29; - V29=3D (V39);switch((fixnum)type_of(((V29))->cmp.cmp_real)){ + V29= (V39);switch((fixnum)type_of(((V29))->cmp.cmp_real)){ default: goto T104; T104:; @@ -24524,65 +21245,61 @@ T104:; /* END (CNUM-TYPE X)*/ goto T102; T102:; - V37=3D ((V39))->cmp.cmp_imag;}} + V37= ((V39))->cmp.cmp_imag;}} /* END (IMAGPART X)*/ - V35=3DV37;} - V36=3D lf(((object)VV[2])); - V36=3D lf(((object)VV[2])); + V35=V37;} + V36= lf(((object)VV[2])); + V36= lf(((object)VV[2])); {register object V40; - V40=3D (V35); + V40= (V35); /*(CNUM-TYPE X)*/ {register object V16; - V16=3D (V40); + V16= (V40); {register fixnum V17; - V17=3D (fixnum)type_of((V16)); - V41=3D V17;}} + V17= (fixnum)type_of((V16)); + V41= V17;}} /* END (CNUM-TYPE X)*/switch(V41){ case 1: goto T118; T118:; - V34=3D ( 1. )*(fix((V40))); + V34= ( 1. )*(fix((V40))); goto T97; case 2: goto T119; T119:; {register double V42; - V42=3D big_to_double((V40)); - V34=3D V42; + V42= big_to_double((V40)); + V34= V42; goto T97;} case 3: goto T120; T120:; {register double V43; - base[0]=3D (V40); - vs_top=3D(vs_base=3Dbase+0)+1; + base[0]= (V40); + vs_top=(vs_base=base+0)+1; (void) (*Lnk8)(); - vs_top=3Dsup; - V43=3D lf(({register object _z=3Dvs_base[0];_z;})); - V34=3D V43; + vs_top=sup; + V43= lf(({register object _z=vs_base[0];_z;})); + V34= V43; goto T97;} - V34=3D lf(Cnil); + V34= lf(Cnil); goto T97;} - V34=3D lf(Cnil);}} + V34= lf(Cnil);}} /* END (FLOAT (IMAGPART X) 0.0)*/ goto T97; T97:; *** V23 + I * V34 is the C expression generating the complex *** from two reals - {object V44 =3D make_dcomplex(((dcomplex(*)(dcomplex))dlcsin)((V23 + I * V= -34)));VMR1 + {object V44 = make_dcomplex(((dcomplex(*)(dcomplex))dlcsin)((V23 + I * V34)));VMR1 (V44);} - {object V45 =3D Cnil;VMR1 + {object V45 = Cnil;VMR1 (V45);}} - {object V46 =3D Cnil;VMR1 + {object V46 = Cnil;VMR1 (V46);}} - base[0]=3Dbase[0]; + base[0]=base[0]; return Cnil; } -static void LnkT8(){ call_or_link(((object)VV[8]),0,(void **)(void *)&Lnk8)= -;} /* RATIO-TO-DOUBLE */ -static object LnkTLI7(object first,...){object V1;va_list ap;va_start(ap,f= -irst);V1=3D(object )call_vproc_new(((object)VV[7]),0,0,(void **)(void *)&Ln= -kLI7,first,ap);va_end(ap);return V1;} /* CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL */ +static void LnkT8(){ call_or_link(((object)VV[8]),0,(void **)(void *)&Lnk8);} /* RATIO-TO-DOUBLE */ +static object LnkTLI7(object first,...){object V1;va_list ap;va_start(ap,first);V1=(object )call_vproc_new(((object)VV[7]),0,0,(void **)(void *)&LnkLI7,first,ap);va_end(ap);return V1;} /* CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL */ #(#(X NUMBER NIL (OR NULL FLOAT) REAL SHORT-FLOAT 1.0 CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL RATIO-TO-DOUBLE (%INIT @@ -24602,13 +21319,8 @@ kLI7,first,ap);va_end(ap);return V1;} /* CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL */ (CHECK-TYPE-SYMBOL (T T T *) T) (NUMBERP (T) BOOLEAN) (TYPEP (T T *) T)) =06SYSTEM=07,DECLAR,OPTIMIZ=06,SAFETY=01=09 -,CHECK-TYPE-=06,NUMBER =05,BLOCK=03,SIN =03,LET--=06=04,CAS .CNUM-TYPE- =07= -=05 =A1=04,SETQ- !=03,THE! -=04libmsin- =07=04 =AF=AD =B0=A1=0B,SHORT-FLOAT=043sinf- =01=02=03 =AF=AD = -=B0=A1=AC=D2=C1=D4=C9=CF=CE=C1=CC=B2 =A1=05,FLOAT-=1D0.0) =07=1F =AF=AD =B0= -=A1=AE=C4=C3=CF=CD=D0=CC=C5=D8=A1=043csin- =07=1E =AF=AD =B0=A1=AE=C6=C3=CF= -=CD=D0=CC=C5=D8=053csinf- ,OTHERWISE /- =03,NOT=06=02,OR97541=028 =07,COMP= -LEX ,REALPART-=1D0.0) ,IMAGPART-=1D0.0)=02=02=18 +,CHECK-TYPE-=06,NUMBER =05,BLOCK=03,SIN =03,LET--=06=04,CAS .CNUM-TYPE- =07=05 =A1=04,SETQ- !=03,THE! +=04libmsin- =07=04 =AF=AD =B0=A1=0B,SHORT-FLOAT=043sinf- =01=02=03 =AF=AD =B0=A1=AC=D2=C1=D4=C9=CF=CE=C1=CC=B2 =A1=05,FLOAT-=1D0.0) =07=1F =AF=AD =B0=A1=AE=C4=C3=CF=CD=D0=CC=C5=D8=A1=043csin- =07=1E =AF=AD =B0=A1=AE=C6=C3=CF=CD=D0=CC=C5=D8=053csinf- ,OTHERWISE /- =03,NOT=06=02,OR97541=028 =07,COMPLEX ,REALPART-=1D0.0) ,IMAGPART-=1D0.0)=02=02=18 '/tmp/gazonk_22733_0.lsp)) (DO-RECOMPILE))))) static object LI1(); @@ -24616,13 +21328,12 @@ static void *dlsin; static void *dlsinf; static void *dlcsin; static void *dlcsinf; -#define VMB1 register object *base=3Dvs_top; fixnum V41; double V34; fixn= -um V31; double V23; fixnum V15; double V11; fixnum V8; fixnum V5; -#define VMS1 register object *sup=3Dvs_top+1;vs_top=3Dsup; +#define VMB1 register object *base=vs_top; fixnum V41; double V34; fixnum V31; double V23; fixnum V15; double V11; fixnum V8; fixnum V5; +#define VMS1 register object *sup=vs_top+1;vs_top=sup; #define VMV1 vs_check; -#define VMR1(VMT1) vs_top=3Dbase ; return(VMT1); +#define VMR1(VMT1) vs_top=base ; return(VMT1); #define VM1 1 -static void * VVi[10]=3D{ +static void * VVi[10]={ #define Cdata VV[9] (void *)(LI1), (void *)(&dlsin), @@ -24632,19 +21343,17 @@ static void * VVi[10]=3D{ }; #define VV (VVi) static void LnkT8(); -static void (*Lnk8)() =3D LnkT8; +static void (*Lnk8)() = LnkT8; static object LnkTLI7(object,...); -static object (*LnkLI7)() =3D (object (*)()) LnkTLI7; +static object (*LnkLI7)() = (object (*)()) LnkTLI7; NIL ->(disassemble '(lambda (x y z) (declare (long-float z)((complex long-float)= - x y)) (* z (+ z (* x (+ x y))))) nil) +>(disassemble '(lambda (x y z) (declare (long-float z)((complex long-float) x y)) (* z (+ z (* x (+ x y))))) nil) ;; Compiling /tmp/gazonk_22733_1.lsp. -;; End of Pass 1. =20 -;; End of Pass 2. =20 -;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=3D0 (No runtime error checking), Space=3D0, Spee= -d=3D3, (Debug quality ignored) +;; End of Pass 1. +;; End of Pass 2. +;; OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=0 (No runtime error checking), Space=0, Speed=3, (Debug quality ignored) ;; Finished compiling /tmp/gazonk_22733_1.o. #include "gazonk_22733_1.h" @@ -24657,15 +21366,15 @@ dcomplex V4;dcomplex V5;double V6; { VMB1 VMS1 VMV1 goto TTL; TTL:; *** unboxed C multiplication etc. - {dcomplex V7 =3D (V6)*((V6)+((V4)*((V4)+(V5))));VMR1 + {dcomplex V7 = (V6)*((V6)+((V4)*((V4)+(V5))));VMR1 (V7);} } /* global entry for the function CMP-ANON */ static void L1() -{ register object *base=3Dvs_base; - base[0]=3Dmake_dcomplex(LI1(lfc(base[0]),lfc(base[1]),lf(base[2]))); - vs_top=3D(vs_base=3Dbase)+1; +{ register object *base=vs_base; + base[0]=make_dcomplex(LI1(lfc(base[0]),lfc(base[1]),lf(base[2]))); + vs_top=(vs_base=base)+1; } #(#((%INIT . #((LET ((*DISABLE-RECOMPILE* T)) @@ -24673,8 +21382,7 @@ static void L1() (ADD-HASH 'CMP-ANON '((DCOMPLEX DCOMPLEX LONG-FLOAT) DCOMPLEX) '((+ (*) T) (* (*) T)) -=04LISPLAMBDA !=0C=01X!=0C=01Y!=0C=01!=07,DECLAR,OPTIMIZ=06,SAFETY=00 =A1CO= -MPILERCMP-ANON !=01,*/ !=01,+/ 3- 4-.=02=18 +=04LISPLAMBDA !=0C=01X!=0C=01Y!=0C=01!=07,DECLAR,OPTIMIZ=06,SAFETY=00 =A1COMPILERCMP-ANON !=01,*/ !=01,+/ 3- 4-.=02=18 '/tmp/gazonk_22733_1.lsp)) (DO-RECOMPILE))))) static void L1(); @@ -24684,39 +21392,19 @@ static dcomplex LI1(); #define VMV1 #define VMR1(VMT1) return(VMT1); #define VM1 0 -static void * VVi[1]=3D{ +static void * VVi[1]={ #define Cdata VV[0] (void *)(L1) }; #define VV (VVi) NIL -> -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D - -Enjoy! - -Take care, - - ---=20 -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:00:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation +Cc: Camm Maguire, list Bill Page wrote: > On 6/15/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -24794,21 +21482,10 @@ and then call: f(20000, 0.0) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, list, - "Maxima List" , Robert Boyer, - Warren Hunt - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:10:09 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt Subject: GCL and source inlining Greetings! Thanks to the suggestion of R. Boyer, GCL now stores a @@ -25934,19 +22611,10 @@ closures from the C output, etc. There are probably many things I've forgotten to mention. Please feel free to ask questions if interested. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 15 Jun 2007 21:22:25 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation Greetings! Very interesting -- needless to say, I'm very interested @@ -26037,28 +22705,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > and then call: > > f(20000, 0.0) -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Robert Boyer -From: Camm Maguire Date: 15 Jun 2007 22:08:27 -0400 -Cc: wizard@centtech.com, rms@gnu.org, Warren Hunt, hbaker1@pipeline.com, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, list, gb@clozure.com +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Boyer Subject: Re: bees for bonnets (GCL safety definition) +Cc: Terry Parks, Richard Stallman, Warren Hunt, Henry Baker Greetings! In 2.7.0, I've redefined safety 3 to leave unset *compiler-push-events*, and have fixed the code so that the ansi @@ -26225,43 +22878,23 @@ Robert Boyer writes: > > P. S. I am clueless about 'graph reduction'. Will > look into it. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:36:54 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list Subject: sigh -Camm, - Hopefully you read the axiom-developer mailing list. Mail sent from me to you bounces with a (550 Adminstrative prohibition). I can set up an email account for you on axiom-developer if you wish. Anyway the question is: Is 2.7.0 ready now? -Tim - - - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:45:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A slow summation Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -26291,21 +22924,12 @@ went into a single funtion: This function was applied to the resulting list of length 20000 and for some reason needed a lot of time. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:12:35 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: *read-default-float-format* in SBCL/wh-sandbox -Hello Waldek, - *read-default-float-format* is set to single-float in SBCL/wh-sandbox. The problem, I think, is that SBCL does not save the value of this variable when creating a new Lisp image. As far as I know this happens @@ -26313,22 +22937,10 @@ for other variables (not exhaustive of course) *print-escape* *load-verbose* *compile-verbose* *load-print* *compile-print* *print-array*. -Greg - - - - - - - - \start -To: axiom-mail , - axiom-devel - <9qfy50xoen.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:21:31 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: [ANN] version 16-06-2007 of axiom.el Again a new version of axiom.el.pamphlet, uploaded to MathAction: @@ -26375,18 +22987,10 @@ Changes: * update the documentation and make it more concise. - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:22:22 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: getUsersOfConstructor Martin, @@ -26405,15 +23009,10 @@ be the next task. So far I cannot report success. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:15:40 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: magic, religion, and pamphlets This was in reply to a private email complaint about pamphlet files. @@ -26537,16 +23136,11 @@ PAMPHLETS ARE PROBABLY WRONG BUT... Without SOME documentation the algebra code is magic. As long as we allow magic we might as well allow religion (pamphlets) :-) -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: magic, religion, and pamphlets -To: Tim Daly, list -Cc: I'm not sure pamphlet are the wrong idea - they may not be the best of all possible ideas, but that's something different. @@ -26626,23 +23220,12 @@ interesting question. Will we still speak and understand English? Will we have functioning computers? Outside the scope of the Axiom project, but fascinating questions none the less. - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:35:26 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_80859_28526228.1182137726905" Subject: Two hyperdoc questions -------=_Part_80859_28526228.1182137726905 - I haven't been following the discussions as closely as I should, so I apologize if these questions are jejune: @@ -26654,27 +23237,13 @@ with )hd. But )hd doesn't provide a socket connection; this new HyperDoc is "not connected to Axiom". Is there any way of starting a "connected" HyperDoc from an already-running Axiom? -Thanks, -Alasdair - -------=_Part_80859_28526228.1182137726905 - -I haven't been following the discussions as closely as I should, so I apologize if these questions are jejune:

1)  What is the current state of using HyperDoc (or any other sort of help browser) under windows - in particular with -Axiom-0.1.4?

2)  If I inadvertently quit HyperDoc while running Axiom, I can restart it with )hd.  But )hd doesn't provide a socket connection; this new HyperDoc is "not connected to Axiom".  Is there any way of starting a "connected" HyperDoc from an already-running Axiom? -

Thanks,
Alasdair
- -------=_Part_80859_28526228.1182137726905-- - - - \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Jun 2007 08:24:33 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > 1) What is the current state of using HyperDoc (or any other sort of help > browser) under windows - in particular with Axiom-0.1.4? @@ -26707,20 +23276,11 @@ Cc: list No, but I'd love to see a fix for that bug, too. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:15:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows Waldek, @@ -26818,27 +23378,21 @@ I am not sure what is the problem here. What is the last know revision of wh-sandbox that compiled on Windows? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:04 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows Hello Martin, Le mardi 12 juin 2007 =E0 01:06 +0200, Gregory Vanuxem a =E9crit : > Hello Martin, ->=20 +> > Here are my tests: ->=20 +> > gcl-2.6.8pre just checked out today : fails in 'accept' with error: ->=20 +> > "not such file or directory" [...] @@ -26851,19 +23405,11 @@ downgrade GCC to version 3.3.1 to compile old fortran 77 code. Reverting to gcc-3.4.2 fixes this issue. In other words your socket code works on gcl-2.6.8pre (Windows and Linux). -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:11:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows Waldek, @@ -26956,7 +23502,7 @@ built a windows version of Axiom from a later revision of wh-sandbox? Regards, Bill Page. -On 6/18/07, Bill Page wrote: +On 6/18/07, Bill Page wrote: > Waldek, > > The following change in revsion 571: @@ -27054,61 +23600,44 @@ On 6/18/07, Bill Page wrote: > > What is the last know revision of wh-sandbox that compiled on Windows? > -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem - <1182179344.4156.6.camel@ellipse> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:13:36 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hello Martin, ->=20 +> > Le mardi 12 juin 2007 =C3=A0 01:06 +0200, Gregory Vanuxem a =C3=A9crit : > > Hello Martin, -> >=20 +> > > > Here are my tests: -> >=20 +> > > > gcl-2.6.8pre just checked out today : fails in 'accept' with error: -> >=20 +> > > > "not such file or directory" ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > > Will try to know why 2.6.8pre from cvs > > fails in accept (windows only). ->=20 +> > It was a problem with my MingW configuration, more precisely I had to > downgrade GCC to version 3.3.1 to compile old fortran 77 code. Reverting > to gcc-3.4.2 fixes this issue. In other words your socket code works on > gcl-2.6.8pre (Windows and Linux). -Great! Time permitting, I'll put together some more functionality and a us= -er +Great! Time permitting, I'll put together some more functionality and a user interface. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:18:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows - <1182179344.4156.6.camel@ellipse> -Cc: Axiom-Developer - -Greg, Have you tried this in Axiom built with gcl-2.6.8pre? If so what source version? More specifically have you actually tried Martin's @@ -27126,20 +23655,13 @@ On 6/18/07, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > downgrade GCC to version 3.3.1 to compile old fortran 77 code. Reverting > to gcc-3.4.2 fixes this issue. In other words your socket code works on > gcl-2.6.8pre (Windows and Linux). -> - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 18 Jun 2007 12:41:34 -0400 -Cc: +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Axiom and GCL ANSI - -Hello all, - I have need for an Axiom which compiles under GCL-2.6.8pre in ANSI mode. @@ -27154,29 +23676,19 @@ I would like to see the changes required for ANSI support included in Silver in the short term. I would be happy to work with anyone who is interested and/or has their own changes they would like to merge. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page - <1182179344.4156.6.camel@ellipse> - Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:19:08 +0200 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows -Le lundi 18 juin 2007 =E0 11:18 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit :=20 +Le lundi 18 juin 2007 =E0 11:18 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > Have you tried this in Axiom built with gcl-2.6.8pre? If so what -> source version?=20 +> source version? -No, I tried this with gcl-2.6.8pre just checked out from cvs.=20 +No, I tried this with gcl-2.6.8pre just checked out from cvs. > More specifically have you actually tried Martin's > hyperdoc browser based on this socket code? @@ -27185,9 +23697,9 @@ No, I only tested the lisp socket code, Martin wanted to know if the socket code was usable on Windows. This is the piece of code I tested (parts of Martin's code): -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +================= (defun mysocket (port docfun) (let ((s (si::socket port :server #'server))) (tagbody l @@ -27202,15 +23714,15 @@ socket code was usable on Windows. This is the piece of code I tested (let* ((get (read s nil 'eof)) (fn (and (eq get 'get) (let* ((s1 (subseq (string (read s nil 'eof)) 1)) - (n (length s1))=20 + (n (length s1)) (s2 (make-string n))) - (do ((i 0 (incf i))=20 - (j 0 (incf j)))=20 - ((=3D i n) (subseq s2 0 j))=20 - (if (char=3D (char s1 i) #\%)=20 - (setf (char s2 j)=20 - (code-char (read-from-string=20 - (concat "#x"=20 + (do ((i 0 (incf i)) + (j 0 (incf j))) + ((= i n) (subseq s2 0 j)) + (if (char= (char s1 i) #\%) + (setf (char s2 j) + (code-char (read-from-string + (concat "#x" (subseq s1 (incf i) (1+ (incf i))))))) (setf (char s2 j) (char s1 i)))))))) @@ -27220,9 +23732,9 @@ socket code was usable on Windows. This is the piece of code I tested (format t "Got ~S~%~%" fn) ; server side (format s "hello~%") ; client side (close s))) -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D +========================== +========================== +====================== Using telnet I was able to connect to the server ask a page and receive @@ -27240,34 +23752,24 @@ Greg > Regards, > Bill Page. ->=20 +> > On 6/18/07, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > ... > > > Will try to know why 2.6.8pre from cvs > > > fails in accept (windows only). > > > > It was a problem with my MingW configuration, more precisely I had to -> > downgrade GCC to version 3.3.1 to compile old fortran 77 code. Revert= -ing -> > to gcc-3.4.2 fixes this issue. In other words your socket code works = -on +> > downgrade GCC to version 3.3.1 to compile old fortran 77 code. Reverting +> > to gcc-3.4.2 fixes this issue. In other words your socket code works on > > gcl-2.6.8pre (Windows and Linux). > > ->=20 - - - - +> \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:27:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem +From: Bill Page +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: re: testing hyperdoc package on Windows - <1182179344.4156.6.camel@ellipse> - - <1182187148.4032.35.camel@ellipse> -Cc: Axiom-Developer On 6/18/07, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > @@ -27339,18 +23841,12 @@ I will continue with trying Martin's code with the most recent version this with build-improvements that would be great. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:07:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows +Cc: Camm Maguire CC-ing Camm, as the problem depends on very specific GCL behavoiur. @@ -27479,22 +23975,12 @@ diff -u wh-sandbox.bb2/src/lisp/Makefile.pamphlet wh-sandbox/src/lisp/Makefile.p $(INSTALL_PROGRAM) lisp$(EXEEXT) $(OUT) $(STAMP) $@ - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:49:53 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows +Cc: Camm Maguire On 6/18/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -27527,18 +24013,11 @@ Ok, thanks Waldek. That patch appears to have worked. The build just started stage 2 and is continuing. I will let you know when/if it completes normally. -Regars, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:50:40 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows Greetings! And thanks for finding this bug. compiler::link did once work on Windows -- apparently subsequent development coupled with our @@ -27722,32 +24201,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > + | ./prelisp$(EXEEXT) > $(INSTALL_PROGRAM) lisp$(EXEEXT) $(OUT) > $(STAMP) $@ -> -> -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:53:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows +Cc: Camm Maguire On 6/18/07, Bill Page wrote: > ... @@ -27852,18 +24312,12 @@ looks like the failure occurred in 'make-databases'. Can you think of anything that might cause this? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:40:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows +Cc: Camm Maguire Bill Page wrote: > Well here we are nearly at the end of the algebra build but a problem @@ -27995,23 +24449,11 @@ and at Axiom prompt type: )lisp (make-databases "" nil) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:43:00 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: Martin Rubey, list +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions - boundary="----=_Part_90238_1368555.1182228180543" - <9qlkeh3hlq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: - -------=_Part_90238_1368555.1182228180543 Thanks Martin, as always, for your unstinting and generous help. What then, in your estimation, are the minimal requirements (virtual machine, X server, @@ -28024,7 +24466,7 @@ Alasdair On 18 Jun 2007 08:24:33 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > > 1) What is the current state of using HyperDoc (or any other sort of > help @@ -28067,45 +24509,18 @@ wrote: > > HyperDoc from an already-running Axiom? > > No, but I'd love to see a fix for that bug, too. -> -> All the best, -> -> Martin -> -> - -------=_Part_90238_1368555.1182228180543 - -Thanks Martin, as always, for your unstinting and generous help.  What then, in your estimation, are the minimal requirements (virtual machine, X server, whatever) to run a complete Axiom - including graphics and HyperDoc - on windows? -

Thanks,
Alasdair

On 18 Jun 2007 08:24:33 +0200, Martin Rubey <Martin Rubey> wrote: -
"Alasdair McAndrew" <amca01@gmail.com -> writes:

> 1) What is the current state of using HyperDoc (or any other sort of help
> browser) under windows - in particular with Axiom-0.1.4?

* Out of the box there is nothing.

* There is an experimental port by Tim Daly, with the important drawback that -
  there is no connection to Axiom, i.e., browse does *not* work

* There is the possibility of running axiom within a virtual machine, as
  proposed by Bill Page and Alfredo Portes.  I'd recommend that one.  This is -
  also the only way to get graphics on windows.  Furthermore, if you are
  interested in combinatorics, Polymake and therefore my Polymake-wrapper only
  works on linux, too.  Together with axiom.el and SPADEDIT for gnu emacs this -
  makes quite a usable environment even for windows users.  (After clicking on
  gnu emacs, they just need to press "Alt" then "x", type "axiom" and
  everything should work.

-* There is the possibly half working hyperdoc replacement by myself, which
  needs an axiom process dedicated for documentation -- but which you can run
  in the background, so you won't even notice.  So far it only can browse -
  operations, and it's not really tested on windows.  Even if it is not that
  much interesting for production work at the moment, I'd urge you to try it
  and send me your experiences.

> 2) If I inadvertently quit HyperDoc while running Axiom, I can restart it -
> with )hd.  But )hd doesn't provide a socket connection; this new HyperDoc is
> "not connected to Axiom".  Is there any way of starting a "connected"
> HyperDoc from an already-running Axiom? -

No, but I'd love to see a fix for that bug, too.

All the best,

Martin


- -------=_Part_90238_1368555.1182228180543-- - - \start Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:46:24 -0700 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions - <9qlkeh3hlq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1d67a53c0706182143q470190c0wb33f673848482bd6@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list Virtual Machine: http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/DoyenCD (Axiom Gold) -On 6/18/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +On 6/18/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > Thanks Martin, as always, for your unstinting and generous help. What then, > in your estimation, are the minimal requirements (virtual machine, X server, > whatever) to run a complete Axiom - including graphics and HyperDoc - on @@ -28117,7 +24532,7 @@ On 6/18/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > On 18 Jun 2007 08:24:33 +0200, Martin Rubey > wrote: -> > "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> > "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: > > > > > 1) What is the current state of using HyperDoc (or any other sort of > help @@ -28160,31 +24575,12 @@ On 6/18/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > > HyperDoc from an already-running Axiom? > > > > No, but I'd love to see a fix for that bug, too. -> > -> > All the best, -> > -> > Martin -> > -> > -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:02:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows On 6/18/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -28462,22 +24858,11 @@ supposed to work remains completely obscure to me. What changes when I issue the ')lib' command that allows 'make-databases' to then find and load the modules? -Thanks for you help. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 19 Jun 2007 09:23:18 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions - <9qlkeh3hlq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1d67a53c0706182143q470190c0wb33f673848482bd6@mail.gmail.com> - -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 19 Jun 2007 09:23:18 +0200 -Cc: list Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -28497,18 +24882,11 @@ Gold. (dependents, users, etc. crash.) files and programs after having it installed on the windows box, like emacs, and my axiom mode for emacs?) -Martin - - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:01:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows Bill Page wrote: > Here is the result of the test. It seems, as you say, that for some @@ -28685,16 +25063,10 @@ the only one which gave what we want in all Lisps... You may also try '(directory "*.NRLIB\\index.KAF")', to check for possible bug handling slashes. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: list -From: Francois Maltey Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:35:05 +0200 +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: A multi-line mode for Emacs. Hello, @@ -28722,16 +25094,11 @@ usual prompt (nn) -> ? Have a nice day ! -F. - - - \start +Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:44:30 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:44:30 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -28789,21 +25156,11 @@ that puts str into a temporary file tmp.input (best located in the /tmp directory or the windows equivalent), then writes ")re /tmp/tmp.input" into the "*axiom*" buffer and calls axiom-eval. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:50:58 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions - <9qlkeh3hlq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <1d67a53c0706182143q470190c0wb33f673848482bd6@mail.gmail.com> - - <9qwsy0xva1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On 19 Jun 2007 09:23:18 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > Alfredo Portes writes: @@ -28829,16 +25186,10 @@ No sorry :-(. I was having similar problems to those described on the list. I will give it another try. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start -To: axiom-developer -From: Martin Rubey Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:58:39 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey +To: axiom-developer Subject: exact quotient I am currently trying to correct a performance bug of my guessing package, and @@ -28855,21 +25206,11 @@ achievable. Most important would be such an implementation for the polynomial rings. -Anybody interested? - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:13:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows On 6/19/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -28944,17 +25285,10 @@ paths on Windows. Do you think that it is not safe just to use ' (directory "*.NRLIB")' ? I will change 'make-databases' to omit the '/index.KAF' part and try the build again. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:23:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -CC: list +To: list Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. Hi Martin, hello Francois, @@ -28970,17 +25304,11 @@ cursor in the window that contains the list of commands. I think, Martin, that makes it faster to demonstrate Axiom commands since you don't have to go back and forth between the two emacs windows. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:33:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: exact quotient - <9qy7ig85j4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-developer , aldor-l On 06/19/2007 02:58 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: > I am currently trying to correct a performance bug of my guessing package, and @@ -29035,17 +25363,12 @@ http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(gmp.info.gz)R BTW, does Axiom build on GMP? Or does it implement its own large integer package? -Ralf - - - \start -To: Bill Page Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:51:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows +Cc: Camm Maguire Hmm, it looks like we have another GCL problem. Bill Page wrote: @@ -29133,19 +25456,11 @@ version '(directory "*.NRLIB/index.KAF")' exactly matches our intent. IMHO Windows version of GCL should also support such names. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:19:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: exact quotient - <9qy7ig85j4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4677DB36.9010404@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-developer , aldor-l On 6/19/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -29157,20 +25472,11 @@ To the best of my knowledge Axiom always depends on the underlying Lisp to provide large integer support. GCL (and most other Lisp packages?) use GMP. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:31:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: exact quotient - <9qy7ig85j4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4677DB36.9010404@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-developer > To the best of my knowledge Axiom always depends on the underlying > Lisp to provide large integer support. GCL (and most other Lisp @@ -29179,16 +25485,11 @@ Cc: axiom-developer Well, then exquo of GMP would be available. The question is how to access it via SPAD? -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: exact quotient -To: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:34:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-developer +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: exact quotient Martin Rubey wrote: > I am currently trying to correct a performance bug of my guessing package, and @@ -29240,16 +25541,11 @@ algebra. In particular that would change import relations in the algebra. Currently (before database bootstrap is integrated) such changes are likely to cause bootstrap failure... -- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start -To: list -From: Camm Maguire Date: 19 Jun 2007 23:07:31 -0400 -Cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: gcl 2.7.0 and "ready" Tim -- my apologies for the mail problems. If you could post the @@ -29260,20 +25556,11 @@ are testers which can understand and deal with some transient breakage, but still provide useful feedback as to the general direction and needs of the release. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 19 Jun 2007 23:39:17 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: gcl 2.7.0 and "ready" -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 19 Jun 2007 23:39:17 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -29297,12 +25584,10 @@ understand the priorities of the GCL team for purposes of releasing `general direction and needs of the release'? \start -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:40:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows Bill Page wrote: > On 6/19/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -29377,21 +25662,11 @@ works like the old code): (setq asys (directory "*.asy")) (setq asos (directory "*.ao")) - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 20 Jun 2007 11:47:11 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: gcl 2.7.0 and "ready" - <87wsxzz44a.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 20 Jun 2007 11:47:11 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings, and thanks for the interest and the kind words. @@ -29502,29 +25777,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > understand the priorities of the GCL team for purposes of releasing > 2.7.0. Could you provide a brief description of what you mean by > `general direction and needs of the release'? -> -> Thanks, -> Steve -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: list,Tim Daly - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:08:41 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: list,Tim Daly Subject: TIM .. (was CAMM.... the bounce message headers) Greetings! @@ -29540,24 +25797,15 @@ mail.eticomm.net on some sort of blacklist, as does mailman@gnu.org or whatever, as I can't get gcl-devel nor axiom-developer mail without checking the web. -Could you try camm@debian.org? This might get around things. +Could you try Camm Maguire? This might get around things. What humanity has done to the once Promethean gift of email leaves me speechless. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 20 Jun 2007 12:18:55 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: GCL gprof profiling Greetings! Just wanted to point out a facility for investigating @@ -29571,19 +25819,10 @@ and axiom is built using compiler::link (as you all know how to do), then one can profile any function by bracketing it between (si::gprof-start) and (si::gprof-quit). -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 20 Jun 2007 13:16:14 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Small patch to silver. --=-=-= @@ -29621,15 +25860,11 @@ index 4fefd66..2afa16d 100755 --=-=-=-- - - - \start +Date: 20 Jun 2007 23:08:49 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: exact quotient -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 20 Jun 2007 23:08:49 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -29706,17 +25941,11 @@ my article from 5 hours down to 45 minutes. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to go about this. -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: Re: exact quotient -To: Martin Rubey Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:26:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: exact quotient Martin Rubey wrote: > Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -29831,18 +26060,11 @@ range of machine integers), but still shows possibility for gain. BTW: sbcl needs 12 seconds for k = 100 in modular case and 25 seconds in integer case, so gain is bigger. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 21 Jun 2007 06:50:26 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: exact quotient -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 Jun 2007 06:50:26 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -29873,8 +26095,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > numbers. Naive algorithm multiplication algorithm nees k^2 operations to > multipy two k-digint numbers... -Why? k is the number of monomials in A = (a1*x1 + a2*x2+...+ak*xk) and B = -(b1*x1 + b2*x2+...+bk*xk). a_i is random(10000), b_i is random(10000), so I +Why? k is the number of monomials in A = (a1*x1 + a2*x2+...+ak*xk) and B (b1*x1 + b2*x2+...+bk*xk). a_i is random(10000), b_i is random(10000), so I think that a1*B should by k multiplications of two random(10000) numbers? I'd hope that the cost of multiplying the variable x_i = X^i * Y^(k-i-1) with yi is negligible. @@ -29884,20 +26105,11 @@ negligible. No, the model above is realistic. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:05:38 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: exact quotient To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <467A3152.A81352F8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <9qy7iebafy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-developer +Subject: Re: exact quotient Martin: @@ -29982,15 +26194,12 @@ This is three orders of magnitude faster than Axiom. William --- -In[1]:= -mon[n_,k_]:= Expand[(Random[Integer,k] x + Random[Integer, +In[1]:mon[n_,k_]:= Expand[(Random[Integer,k] x + Random[Integer, k]y)^n] -In[2]:= -list[kappa_,m_]:=Table[mon[kappa, 10000], {i,1,m}] +In[2]:list[kappa_,m_]:=Table[mon[kappa, 10000], {i,1,m}] -In[3]:= -test[kappa_,m_,n_]:=Module[{list1, list2, t1, t2, res}, +In[3]:test[kappa_,m_,n_]:=Module[{list1, list2, t1, t2, res}, list1=list[kappa, m]; list2=list[kappa,m]; res = {}; @@ -30001,22 +26210,18 @@ test[kappa_,m_,n_]:=Module[{list1, list2, t1, t2, res}, {n}]; res] -In[4]:= -Flatten[Table[test[10 kappa, 500,5], {kappa, 1,10}],1] +In[4]:Flatten[Table[test[10 kappa, 500,5], {kappa, 1,10}],1] -In[5]:= -mon2[n_,k_]:= Module[{}, +In[5]:mon2[n_,k_]:= Module[{}, coefs = Table[Random[Integer, k],{i,0,n}]; exps = Table[{Random[Integer,n], Random[Integer, n]}, {i,0,n}]; Apply[Plus, MapThread[#1 x^First[#2] y^#2[[2]] &,{coefs,exps}]]] -In[6]:= -listTwo[kappa_,m_]:=Table[mon2[kappa,10000],{i,1,m}] +In[6]:listTwo[kappa_,m_]:=Table[mon2[kappa,10000],{i,1,m}] -In[7]:= -test2[kappa_,m_,n_]:=Module[{list1, list2, t1, t2, res}, +In[7]:test2[kappa_,m_,n_]:=Module[{list1, list2, t1, t2, res}, list1=listTwo[kappa, m]; list2=listTwo[kappa,m]; res = {}; @@ -30026,21 +26231,13 @@ test2[kappa_,m_,n_]:=Module[{list1, list2, t1, t2, res}, res = Join[{{kappa, t2-t1}}, res], {n}]; res] -In[8]:= -Flatten[Table[test2[10 kappa, 500,5], {kappa, 1,10}],1] - - - - - +In[8]:Flatten[Table[test2[10 kappa, 500,5], {kappa, 1,10}],1] \start -To: Waldek Hebisch, list -Subject: Re: exact quotient - <9qbqf9ud0t.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Jun 2007 10:15:51 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: exact quotient Martin Rubey writes: @@ -30073,8 +26270,7 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > > numbers. Naive algorithm multiplication algorithm nees k^2 operations to > > multipy two k-digint numbers... > -> Why? k is the number of monomials in A = (a1*x1 + a2*x2+...+ak*xk) and B = -> (b1*x1 + b2*x2+...+bk*xk). a_i is random(10000), b_i is random(10000), so I +> Why? k is the number of monomials in A = (a1*x1 + a2*x2+...+ak*xk) and B > (b1*x1 + b2*x2+...+bk*xk). a_i is random(10000), b_i is random(10000), so I > think that a1*B should by k multiplications of two random(10000) numbers? I'd > hope that the cost of multiplying the variable x_i = X^i * Y^(k-i-1) with yi is > negligible. @@ -30087,19 +26283,11 @@ which makes the coefficients not of size log k, but rather of size log(binomial(n,j)* k^j). Stupid me. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 21 Jun 2007 10:18:04 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: William Sit Subject: Re: exact quotient - <9qy7iebafy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <467A3152.A81352F8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 21 Jun 2007 10:18:04 +0200 -Cc: axiom-developer Dear William, @@ -30126,22 +26314,11 @@ actually computed. Maybe you could retry with Expand[list1[[i]] list2[[i]]], and maybe you should also store the result somewhere, so that the calculation cannot be optimized away. -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch, list, - William Sit -Subject: Re: exact quotient - <9qbqf9ud0t.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqf9n2o8.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Jun 2007 11:59:09 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch, William Sit +Subject: Re: exact quotient Dear Waldek, @@ -30190,18 +26367,10 @@ Out[11]= {{10, 0.272878}, {10, 0.273776}, {10, 0.273362}, {20, 0.902124}, So, it remains to check, what situation is realistic for my problem, and whether I can do anything about it... -Many thanks, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:19:44 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_3628_19698901.1182428384811" Subject: Incorporating other GPL software into Axiom? ------=_Part_3628_19698901.1182428384811 @@ -30229,22 +26398,39 @@ I teach it) requires. So I'm having fun developing worksheets. ------=_Part_3628_19698901.1182428384811 -The particular instance here is integer factorization.  A quick look through intfact.spad reveals that integer factorization is implemented by trial division, followed by Pollard's rho method - nothing very sophisticated.  The file itself claims: "We should also employ Lenstra's elliptic curve method."  Yes, we should.  And the various modern sieving methods (quadratic sieve, number field sieve, and so on).  Now, I'm no expert in this, and I doubt I could program such things myself, but they do exist, either stand-alone (as in Zimmermann et al's GMP-ECM), or as part of GPL software such as LiDIA or Pari/GP. -

Is there any system for importing such things into Axiom?  It seems to me that if we have integer factorization, we should use the best methods available, so how can it be done?

-Alasdair

P.S. I've decided for the coming semester to trial Axiom with my cryptography students; it seems that Axiom is admirably suited for the number theory, and string and list handling which cryptography (at least as I teach it) requires.  So I'm having fun developing worksheets. -
+The particular instance here is integer factorization.  A quick +look through intfact.spad reveals that integer factorization is +implemented by trial division, followed by Pollard's rho method - +nothing very sophisticated.  The file itself claims: "We +should also employ Lenstra's elliptic curve method."  +Yes, we should.  And the various modern sieving methods +(quadratic sieve, number field sieve, and so on).  Now, I'm +no expert in this, and I doubt I could program such things myself, but +they do exist, either stand-alone (as in Zimmermann et al's +GMP-ECM), or as part of GPL software such as LiDIA or Pari/GP. + +Is there any system for importing such things into Axiom?  It +seems to me that if we have integer factorization, we should use the +best methods available, so how can it be done? -------=_Part_3628_19698901.1182428384811-- +-Alasdair +P.S. I've decided for the coming semester to trial Axiom with my +cryptography students; it seems that Axiom is admirably suited for the +number theory, and string and list handling which cryptography (at +least as I teach it) requires. + +So I'm having fun developing worksheets. +------=_Part_3628_19698901.1182428384811-- \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Subject: Re: Incorporating other GPL software into Axiom? -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Jun 2007 14:48:10 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: Re: Incorporating other GPL software into Axiom? -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > Now, I'm no expert in this, and I doubt I could program such things myself, > but they do exist, either stand-alone (as in Zimmermann et al's GMP-ECM), or @@ -30267,22 +26453,11 @@ underlying lisp functionality and provides a interface for the average user. That's wonderful news. Suggestions to make my axiom.el emacs mode more accessible are very welcome. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:36:11 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: exact quotient To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <467AA8FB.19BC778@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <9qbqf9ud0t.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qbqf9n2o8.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qr6o58w7m.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: exact quotient Hi Martin: @@ -30420,26 +26595,6 @@ Type: Void So the data-structure comes into play. Not sure if converting your computation to DMP and back would save time. -William - - - - - - - - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -30477,38 +26632,20 @@ Does anyone else have opinions on this issue? As I'm doing a lot of pathname related mangling anyway I'm up for any of the three, if there is any concensus as to what the preferred direction is. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:41:43 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" , gcl-devel@gnu.org -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: literate programming Camm, Do you have any interest in making a literate form of GCL? -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:02:17 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: root chunks Besides the argument that the algebra files contain more than one root @@ -30522,16 +26659,10 @@ In general I feel that there should be no correspondence between filenames and contents. The namespace and organization of files is not related to the namespace and organization of information. -Tim - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 21 Jun 2007 20:18:37 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: literate programming Greetings! Very much so, as I think we need to diversify my knowledge @@ -30545,25 +26676,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > > Do you have any interest in making a literate form of GCL? -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -From: Camm Maguire Date: 21 Jun 2007 20:22:13 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: 2.7.0 reports Greetings, and thanks for the reports! @@ -30578,22 +26695,12 @@ Greetings, and thanks for the reports! 2) x64 failure -- could you please post the full log? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: root chunks - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Besides the argument that the algebra files contain more than one @@ -30635,22 +26742,11 @@ In general, I agree. In the specific case of intermediate generated files, I would like the filenames to retain some relationship to their origin to aid debugging. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:53:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: root chunks -Cc: list > In general I feel that there should be no correspondence between > filenames and contents. The namespace and organization of files is @@ -30674,16 +26770,11 @@ would have one file to deal with. I would rather call such a zip file a pamphlet. But the term "pamphlet" is already in use so another name would probably cause less confusion. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:08:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: root chunks -Cc: list > In general, I agree. In the specific case of intermediate generated > files, I would like the filenames to retain some relationship to their @@ -30702,17 +26793,11 @@ with that information. There is simply no need to have chunk names corresponding to filenames. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: root chunks To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - +Subject: re: root chunks --- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -30757,24 +26842,11 @@ defaults, and let the user deside. Default Lisp and boot files to one behavior, spad to whatever the algebra needs, and have some variables to switch behavior around if anyone needs it :-). -Thanks all. - -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:47:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: root chunks -Cc: list >> #line 56 "myalps/prtype.as.nw" @@ -30814,21 +26886,11 @@ would you want to bother the writer of X with specifying a filename for Z? Ideally the writer of X should not even need to know the name of Y. -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:41:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "dos-reis@users.sourceforge.net" -Cc: axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer -Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [632] - branches/build-improvements - -Gaby, +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Axiom-commit] SF.net SVN: axiom: [632] branches/build-improvements On 6/20/07you wrote: > Revision: 632 @@ -30847,19 +26909,11 @@ On 6/20/07you wrote: Could you explain what HyperTex macros are required for building the algebra on Windows (and why)? -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 13:28:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: root chunks -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 22 Jun 2007 13:28:58 -0400 -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -30882,19 +26936,11 @@ term I hope to be switching my work to be based on 2.7.0 cvs, and I expect ASDF to be a fair bit more comfortable there. The notion of integrating cl-web with asdf is fantastic. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: re: root chunks -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:56:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: root chunks Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > I am pretty sure that someone can confirm that gcc has an option that @@ -30916,20 +26962,11 @@ Do not take this message personally, but I am concerned by general attitude presented on this list: people here frequently ignore important practical problems. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: root chunks To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: re: root chunks --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -30997,23 +27034,11 @@ ANSI work and submit them as an offering to Silver - without that folding this back into Silver probably won't be possible (or at least, a big pain). -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 14:39:07 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: root chunks - <467BB6C4.6010500@hemmecke.de> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 22 Jun 2007 14:39:07 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -31085,21 +27110,11 @@ TTL:; (V1);} } - -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 15:07:01 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: root chunks -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 22 Jun 2007 15:07:01 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: [...] @@ -31141,19 +27156,11 @@ I agree. Have thought about this too. We should have some notion of when development on Silver will be frozen and when it will get promoted to Gold. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:08:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: root chunks -Cc: list Hello Waldek @@ -31192,16 +27199,11 @@ I don't consider your message as an offence. I understand your point. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: root chunks To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list +Subject: re: root chunks --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -31254,23 +27256,12 @@ Erm. :-). I suppose its possible... That would be nice. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:55:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Camm Maguire wrote: > 2) x64 failure -- could you please post the full log? @@ -31286,20 +27277,11 @@ the output from make (also on Debian) at: http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:02:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows On 6/20/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -31380,18 +27362,11 @@ Index: src/lisp/Makefile.pamphlet Would you like me to commit this to wh-sandbox? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - -\start -To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:30:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +\start +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows Bill Page wrote: > On 6/20/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -31479,18 +27454,11 @@ Thanks for checking this. Yes, please do. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 16:32:59 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: root chunks -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 22 Jun 2007 16:32:59 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: > --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -31526,23 +27494,11 @@ GCL. I do know GCL has multiprocessing support via an MPI interface. I have not come across an interface to something like NPTL or the like. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:34:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch - - -Cc: list -Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on - Windows +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows BTW, I did not time it carefully but I think this build of wh-sandbox on Windows, including running the test scripts, took significantly @@ -31551,37 +27507,23 @@ again. I guess it's time I planned on creating an 'axiom-0.2' binary install file... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 16:45:19 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 22 Jun 2007 16:45:19 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings, and thanks so much for the feedback/report! This should be fixed now. Releasing snapshot -70 to the Debian autobuilders... Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Robert Boyer - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:41:25 -0400 -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Matt Kaufmann +From: Camm Maguire +To: Robert Boyer Subject: Re: 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Matt Kaufmann Greetings! @@ -31805,22 +27747,11 @@ of the community. For those new to this thread, this mechanism obviates the need for ftype declaims. A final question remains of whether or not to actually use ftype declaims if provided. -Take care, - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:46:17 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: root chunks - <87ir9fzu3u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:46:17 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -31829,20 +27760,11 @@ Greetings! Slime is on the medium term radar. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:59:52 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: root chunks -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:59:52 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -31876,7 +27798,7 @@ still be hope. ============================================================================= From: Joe Corneli Subject: RE: ansi common lisp standard? -To: Camm Maguire, rms@gnu.org +To: Camm Maguire, Richard Stallman Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Please advise. @@ -31994,7 +27916,7 @@ Joe jcorneli@math.utexas.edu Richard Stallman - rms@gnu.org + Richard Stallman Camm McGuire Camm Maguire @@ -32025,19 +27947,11 @@ quite effective fork-based parallelism (in addition to the MPI support) at the lisp level: p-let, p-and, and p-or. I'll try to describe the advantages of fork vs. threads for lisp in a post soon. --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Subject: re: root chunks -To: Ralf Hemmecke Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:40:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: re: root chunks Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > On 06/22/2007 07:56 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -32074,18 +27988,10 @@ of algebra problem that shows in SBCL but do not show in "safe" gcl I belive that such problems are possible and we will hit such problem sooner or later. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, list -From: Camm Maguire Date: 22 Jun 2007 18:49:12 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: GCL Fork based parallelism Greetings! Just committed a quick fix to get this working again in @@ -32160,20 +28066,13 @@ gbc time : 0.000 secs 102334155 SYSTEM> --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:05:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -32198,47 +28097,28 @@ Hi Waldek, Camm -- sorry for the delay. I've been away from computers for all day. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: "Richard Fateman" Richard Fateman -To: "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire, - "'Robert Boyer'" Robert Boyer - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> - <54wsxvvf96.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:14:29 -0700 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-Index: Ace1FkEhUejiKkuuTwSgnzdthMVWZwADF0vA -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - 'Matt Kaufmann' Matt Kaufmann +From: Richard Fateman +To: Camm Maguire, Robert Boyer Subject: RE: [Maxima] 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Matt Kaufmann -The Franz Lisp system (on the VAX) had a file-compiler feature which allowed -you to -group functions that were (in today's nomenclature) private, and could only -be called -from functions in that file. It was not possible to redefine such internal -functions -without recompiling the file. The external functions (i.e. public) could be -recompiled +The Franz Lisp system (on the VAX) had a file-compiler feature which +allowed you to group functions that were (in today's nomenclature) +private, and could only be called from functions in that file. It was +not possible to redefine such internal functions without recompiling +the file. The external functions (i.e. public) could be recompiled and their signatures could be changed. The code locality is, I think, a red herring. Caches are huge now. - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:50:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Camm Maguire wtote: > Greetings, and thanks so much for the feedback/report! This should be @@ -32253,19 +28133,12 @@ uses 'defpackage' and its lack breaks Axiom build. It looks that As long as 'defpackage' is available somewere I can easily import it, but I would like to know what is supported. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:20:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Greetings, and thanks so much for the feedback/report! This should be > fixed now. Releasing snapshot -70 to the Debian autobuilders... @@ -32288,21 +28161,11 @@ Backtrace: This is the first thing that the freshly linked image should do... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list Subject: ANSI documentation - - ---- Camm Maguire wrote: > Please accept my humblest apologies for my repeated silence here -- > time management you know. @@ -32366,25 +28229,11 @@ actively interested? The hints in those communications give rise to some hope I didn't have for INCITS itself being of aid, and based on my current knowledge of the situation they may be the only practical hope. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php - - - \start Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:11:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page -Subject: re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 - on Windows - -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: problem compiling wh-sandbox revision 571 on Windows > I guess it's time I planned on creating an 'axiom-0.2' binary install > file... @@ -32394,21 +28243,12 @@ we once say that the current gold version is Axiom 3.0? What versioning scheme does OpenAxiom now actually have? Does somebody know? Where is this written down? -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Jun 2007 09:16:23 +0200 -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Version numbers +Cc: Waldek Hebisch Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -32431,24 +28271,12 @@ Axiom project. Currently, wh-sandbox seems most useable to me. (Waldek: the only remaining thing on my wishlist is to have out of the box aldor support) - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:30:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org - - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. - ---8323584-334976469-1182583845=:31510 +Cc: Camm Maguire On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -32668,17 +28496,12 @@ IDIyIEp1biAyMDA3IDA2OjMyOjQ4IFBNIENEVA0K --8323584-334976469-1182583845=:31510-- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:09:44 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Axiom version numbering -Ralf, - There have been long discussions of the version naming scheme which are journaled in the mailing list. @@ -32706,18 +28529,10 @@ We could also print the git ref which is an md5 hash code and will guarantee which source tree was used to build. However we aren't usually in the business of chasing such fine-grained bugs. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:13:21 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Axiom version numbering > ... I was hoping that trunk would become usable (i.e., very close to @@ -32725,18 +28540,10 @@ Subject: Axiom version numbering Why aren't they becoming close? -Tim - - - - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:08:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: *read-default-float-format* in SBCL/wh-sandbox > Hello Waldek, @@ -32769,26 +28576,15 @@ enough to set *load-verbose* and *compile-verbose* to nil. One also have to handle various conditions (see for example |load_quietly| in axiom-lisp.lisp.pamphlet). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: "Sumant S.R. Oemrawsingh" - <01ce01c7a5a4$fba96230$6900a8c0@asus> - <20070605184956.GA18938@blackstar.oemrawsingh.xs4all.nl> - <20070623162332.GA7282@blackstar.oemrawsingh.xs4all.nl> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Jun 2007 21:23:53 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , axiom-mail@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions - and drawing, integrating, ... +From: Martin Rubey +To: Sumant Oemrawsingh +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... Dear Sumant, -"Sumant S.R. Oemrawsingh" writes: +Sumant Oemrawsingh writes: > (1) -> h(k,x)==1/2 + 1/%pi * atan(k*x) @@ -32831,26 +28627,17 @@ extremely easy to grasp and to extend. But that's way beyond my (computer algebra) skills. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - \start -Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions - and drawing, integrating, ... -To: Martin Rubey Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:20:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel , - "Sumant S.R. Oemrawsingh" , axiom-mail@nongnu.org +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Defining piece-wise functions and drawing, integrating, ... +Cc: Sumant Oemrawsingh Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Sumant, > -> "Sumant S.R. Oemrawsingh" writes: +> Sumant Oemrawsingh writes: > > > > (1) -> h(k,x)==1/2 + 1/%pi * atan(k*x) @@ -32964,24 +28751,12 @@ HypergomF(%list(0,1,2),%list(2,3),3) that this definitions will cause problems with derivatives with respect to parameters... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:52:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> - <9qy7ib5eew.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Version numbers +Cc: Waldek Hebisch > Ralf Hemmecke writes: > @@ -33040,26 +28815,20 @@ situation of a "fork" in the Axiom sources. Does this still have to wait until we have Aldor as open source? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:03:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Greg, thanks for your comments, they are very helpful. Gregory Vanuxem wrote: -> Le mardi 12 juin 2007 ? 14:54 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +> Le mardi 12 juin 2007 ? 14:54 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Could you be more specific about file handling in Windows SBCL? AFAIK > > makedir is problematic (but I hoped that it would work if you have mkdir > > program in correct place) also chdir does not do much (but IIRC it is > > taken verbatim from your Windows version). ->=20 +> > No, I was speaking about SBCL wh-sandbox built on Linux, sorry I was not > clear. Your version misses writablep and consort (try to read the > fname.input file). Attached is the file that I use (I think you already @@ -33098,16 +28867,16 @@ readble? had a bug which should be fixed in revision 635. Concerning 'obey.bat': I did not notice that it is included in your version. -=20 -> >=20 + +> > > > Do you have problems with > > other functions? ->=20 +> > (Do not take me wrong, consider what I'm saying with the tonality of a > joke). Yes a lot! I would like to be able to (Windows and Linux): ->=20 +> > )cd Something (a namestring is missing apparently) ->=20 +> I just wrongly copied your version: I did not notice that 'sb-ext:chdir' only changes directory at C level and one still have to change @@ -33115,20 +28884,20 @@ only changes directory at C level and one still have to change > )fin (a problem here, some Lisp implementations do not fall in a > read-eval-print loop when a "main" function is provided) ->=20 +> Yes, one has to figure out how to get repl in sbcl. I have found some functions that should help, but there are still details to work out. > )trace INT )op + )break after ->=20 +> That should be fixed by a patch that I commited shorty before your message :) > have better error message (using (format nil "%a" ...) ?) ->=20 +> Yes, using "~a" in 'error-format' (in 'spaderror.lisp.pamphlet') seem to give better message. @@ -33140,21 +28909,13 @@ seem to give better message. Just suppressing warnings is easy, but during build they point out to real problems. So ATM I am trying to find out a good compromise. -=20 - ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - \start +Date: 24 Jun 2007 11:19:46 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 24 Jun 2007 11:19:46 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings, and thanks so much for the report! @@ -33191,31 +28952,16 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > Backtrace: > > This is the first thing that the freshly linked image should do... -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Martin Rubey, list -Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. -From: Francois Maltey Date: 24 Jun 2007 18:49:48 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. Hi Martin, -Thanks to your axiom.pamphlet and axiom.el files,=20 +Thanks to your axiom.pamphlet and axiom.el files, Now I better understand how the comint mode is running... In your previous mail you write about : @@ -33224,34 +28970,30 @@ clean up initialisation routines. --------------------------------- I don't understand what you should like : -> [[M-x axiom]] should switch to the buffer [[*axiom*]], if it exists an= -d if +> [[M-x axiom]] should switch to the buffer [[*axiom*]], if it exists and if > it is an "axiom buffer". (I guess that should be a buffer in > [[axiom-mode]], with a running axiom process.) - =20 -> If there is no such buffer, it should create a new buffer and a new ax= -iom + +> If there is no such buffer, it should create a new buffer and a new axiom > process. The axiom command in axiom.el file works so. Do you want to run several axiom in several buffers ? -Nicolas Thery did it in mupad-run.el.=20 +Nicolas Thery did it in mupad-run.el. I hope I can to use this way for axiom. I'll try to propose : M-x axiom goes to the *axiom* buffer in which axiom is running. -M-x axiom-other goes to a new *axiom* buffer in which axiom is runnin= -g. +M-x axiom-other goes to a new *axiom* buffer in which axiom is running. M-x axiom-mode remains in the same buffer and runs axiom. M-x axiom-buffer switchs from one axiom buffer to the next one. Do you have an other idea ? -Then the buffer is seen as an *.input file which will be run after [retur= -n] +Then the buffer is seen as an *.input file which will be run after [return] For this use all variables must be local. It's a curious trick... @@ -33259,25 +29001,25 @@ And M-x axiom is defined by (switch-to-buffer *axiom*)(axiom-mode). write another mode which allows input to be sent to the axiom buffer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -I think I'll use the same mode axiom-mode with a new=20 -variable axiom-multi-lines.=20 +I think I'll use the same mode axiom-mode with a new +variable axiom-multi-lines. If axiom-multi-lines is false : -[return] sends a line which ends with ...._=20 +[return] sends a line which ends with ...._ and emacs waits for the new line as now. If axiom-multi-lines is true : [return] doesn't look at underscore _ at the end of the lines. -For this I think I must change the code arround the prompt=20 +For this I think I must change the code arround the prompt About prompt ------------ -In axiom-output-filter=20 -I'll add a complex function of tests arround prompt=20 +In axiom-output-filter +I'll add a complex function of tests arround prompt and add a variable axiom-state : axiom-state is 'running - or 'usualPrompt (nn) ->=20 + or 'usualPrompt (nn) -> or 'quitPrompt after )q or 'displayPrompt after )d ... or 'debugPrompt when UPPERCASE>> or UPPERCASE>>>> @@ -33289,19 +29031,12 @@ after the [return]=A0command. If axiom-multi-line is true I add a newline command after the prompt. So the emacs-buffer begins with a new line. -Have a nice week... - -Francois - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:58:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Greetings, and thanks so much for the report! > @@ -33359,20 +29094,11 @@ Newly traced functions: NIL I will try '--enable-debug'... --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start +Date: 24 Jun 2007 19:45:43 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. - <871wg170wj.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 24 Jun 2007 19:45:43 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -33460,18 +29186,11 @@ highlighting and possibly even some indentation features for input files. Another good feature would be tab completion, by the way. This works if you start axiom in a terminal, so it should be possible... -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey, list -Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. - <871wg170wj.fsf@nerim.fr> <9q7ipt2qm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Francois Maltey Date: 24 Jun 2007 21:15:32 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. Dear Martin, @@ -33625,15 +29344,12 @@ F. (define-key axiom-mode-map "\C-j" 'newline) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - \start Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Lille - Hi, I'm currently in Lille; I visited the computer algebra group (headed by @@ -33645,17 +29361,12 @@ to the Axiom algebra are still there. will be update on the state of the project, current architcture, and possible future (technical) directions. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:40:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: HyperDoc macros - Bill -- When replying, please CC: me using my address at TAMU as I cannot @@ -33685,15 +29396,10 @@ to macro table correctly. indpendent units, but I've given up on having long term views for Axiom, so you should not waste much time on this. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:13:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Axiom version numbering Hi, @@ -33711,17 +29417,12 @@ build serves different purpose. in addition of the the more verbose and imprecise 'May 2007' scheme. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:51:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis I wrote: > > But later I hit another one: I am getting messages like: @@ -33814,19 +29515,12 @@ load it. I see no other files with name of form '/tmp/gazonk_20011_4qT07D1.*' BTW: it looks that at that stage I have 167 gazonk* files in the /tmp directory -- it looks that gcl is leaving trash files there. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 24 Jun 2007 21:02:24 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 24 Jun 2007 21:02:24 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -33843,26 +29537,12 @@ winds up in the calls to sys:allocate. Explicit call to gc in all cases so far has enabled me to continue. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:21:17 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: list - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> - <9qy7ib5eew.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Version numbers +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch Axiom Developers, @@ -34209,7 +29889,7 @@ Regards, Bill Page. -On 6/23/07, Bill Page wrote: +On 6/23/07, Bill Page wrote: > > Ralf Hemmecke writes: > > > > > Bill Page wrote: @@ -34266,23 +29946,13 @@ On 6/23/07, Bill Page wrote: > > > > Does this still have to wait until we have Aldor as open source? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:19:56 -0500 From: Matt Kaufmann To: Camm Maguire - on 22 Jun 2007 17:41:25 -0400) - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> - <54wsxvvf96.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Robert Boyer, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Robert Boyer Hi, Camm -- @@ -34321,7 +29991,7 @@ Thanks -- From: Camm Maguire Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:41:25 -0400 X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 - X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required=200 + X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required0 Greetings! @@ -34342,8 +30012,7 @@ Thanks -- incorrect if the callee is subsequently compiled to produce a different signature: - ============================================================================= - COMPILER>(defun foo (x y z) (list x y z)) + ============================================================================ COMPILER>(defun foo (x y z) (list x y z)) FOO @@ -34470,8 +30139,7 @@ Thanks -- (2 3) COMPILER> - ============================================================================= - + ============================================================================ The existing philosophy is therefore not to let the load of the new foo complete without executing the recompile. This has the disadvantage of compiling functions possibly multiple times, and @@ -34545,23 +30213,12 @@ Thanks -- obviates the need for ftype declaims. A final question remains of whether or not to actually use ftype declaims if provided. - Take care, - - -- - Camm Maguire Camm Maguire - ========================================================================== - "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 01:51:13 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 25 Jun 2007 01:51:13 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! There is something wrong with sgc, I think minor. One can trigger and help debug if desired using the simple command (typep 0 @@ -34631,30 +30288,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > > > > I will try '--enable-debug'... -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 08:56:36 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: A multi-line mode for Emacs. - <871wg170wj.fsf@nerim.fr> <9q7ipt2qm0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87hcoxrwob.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Jun 2007 08:56:36 +0200 -Cc: list Francois Maltey writes: @@ -34765,21 +30404,11 @@ Otherwise: Do you understand shell.el? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly, - Waldek Hebisch , - Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Axiom version numbering -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Jun 2007 09:06:05 +0200 -Cc: list - -Dear Tim, +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly, Waldek Hebisch, Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Axiom version numbering Tim Daly writes: @@ -34828,16 +30457,10 @@ Version: Axiom build-improvements branch 2006-11-26 which is nonsense. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:41:49 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Axiom version numbering > Only, the CHANGELOG is not installed. @@ -34965,17 +30588,11 @@ scheme you wish. I'll add this as a FAQ. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:40:10 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom version numbering -Cc: list On 06/25/2007 10:41 AM, Tim Daly wrote: >> Only, the CHANGELOG is not installed. @@ -35071,23 +30688,12 @@ Of course. Axiom Distribution = Gold. But for development we also need a binary that identifies itself. That is just to make life easier. See Martin suffering... -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:05:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> <9qy7ib5eew.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Version numbers +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -35476,18 +31082,12 @@ like the above are just plain gratuitous injustified insults to people with interest in contributing to the whole Axiom project. I don't see how that is a help. :-( --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:09:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axiom version numbering - <9q4pkw7btu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -35515,24 +31115,12 @@ has a far more precise information about what it actually does? That makes sense to me. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:11:14 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> - <9qy7ib5eew.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - -Cc: axiom-dev , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Version numbers +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch >> > Martin Ruber wrote: >> >> I have the feeling that "trunk" and "branches" is somewhat unfitting @@ -35571,24 +31159,12 @@ merging is a terribly hard task. Nevertheless, to go forward, I'd like to ask Tim: Do you allow Gaby to merge his autoconf code into trunk even if you don't understand it? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:22:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> <9qy7ib5eew.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - - <467F94C2.5070405@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , - Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Version numbers +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -35622,10 +31198,6 @@ documentation in that respect. Also, I cannot merge to the GIT repo and I suspect that is going to be a problem... But I can definitely merge to the SVN repo. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -35781,24 +31353,11 @@ motivation for the different branches will disappear. Tim, Gaby, Waldek, all - opinions? - -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:27:05 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -Cc: list Just a side remark Cliff. @@ -35815,15 +31374,10 @@ things more than they are already. We should just make a note in the archive that this particular revision is the release revision. That's it. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:41:56 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Autoconf change I invite you to create a diff-Naur patch that creates ONLY the @@ -35838,31 +31392,19 @@ undergo testing. Since it is guaranteed to make your changeset incompatible I'll withhold it until your changeset is ready to apply. Then I'll refit the downcase change. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:46:28 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Version Numbering I invite you to create a diff-Naur patch that creates ONLY the version numbering as a changeset. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:04:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Autoconf change On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -35901,16 +31443,10 @@ untill August 2-3. we will most certainly meet at ISSAC, July 29-August 1, and try to resolve other issues in a face-to-face meeting. - --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:06:28 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: confidence in the correctness > what is our loss in confidence in the correctness of an algebra result @@ -35952,16 +31488,10 @@ this the input files were simple test scripts. After this the expected results are explained mathematically and then the results from Axiom are given and tested. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:16:40 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: other diff-Naur changesets So you're proposing: @@ -35977,16 +31507,10 @@ in any field you like. Perhaps we need a "schedule" of changesets? I invite anyone who has a changeset to post a diff-Naur of the changeset. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:36:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Autoconf change On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -36011,15 +31535,10 @@ There are several ways to solve this: useful in its own should be put on hold for a much bigger change. Incremental improvements! --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: other diff-Naur changesets @@ -36056,71 +31575,38 @@ CY > > I invite anyone who has a changeset to post a diff-Naur of the > changeset. -> -> Tim - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search -that gives answers, not web links. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Version Numbering Will do. I'll take a stab at it tonight. I'm not sure offhand, but if the file containing the relevant info has changed from Gold to silver should I make a diff for both? -Cheers, -CY - --- Tim Daly wrote: > I invite you to create a diff-Naur patch that creates ONLY the > version numbering as a changeset. > > Tim -> -> - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:52:26 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: changeset order So you're proposing that I finish testing and post my global downcase changeset (which will fix the Windows/MAC/bug#353 issue) before you post your autoconf changeset? -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:55:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: changeset order On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -36134,19 +31620,11 @@ If you cannot fix the Windows/MAC bug separately, yes. I would like to be able to check out silver on windows machine, so that I can work on the build issue on my spare time. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements > Just a side remark Cliff. > @@ -36176,27 +31654,12 @@ release<->revision information in a hash table or something. That would be future proof if we ever switch to tagging the Silver branch for releases. Hmm... -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:03:49 -0600 -From: "Robert Dodier" Robert Dodier +From: Robert Dodier To: Camm Maguire - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> - <54wsxvvf96.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Robert Boyer, - list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Matt Kaufmann Subject: Re: [Maxima] 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Robert Boyer, Matt Kaufmann Camm, @@ -36214,31 +31677,20 @@ My advice: ignore user-supplied ftype declaims. All the best, & keep up the good work. -Robert Dodier - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:31:53 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: Bill Page, list, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: sourceforge +Cc: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis You have world privs on sourceforge. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:32:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Lille -Cc: list On 6/24/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -36258,19 +31710,12 @@ good thing to record such presentations so that other people can download and listen. This approach is very popular with the Sage project. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: sourceforge - Thanks! Cliff @@ -36278,19 +31723,6 @@ Cliff --- Tim Daly wrote: > You have world privs on sourceforge. -> -> Tim -> -> - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:40:34 -0700 (PDT) @@ -36298,29 +31730,16 @@ From: Cliff Yapp To: list Subject: Gold vs. Sept. 2005 tarball - I suppose I can find out the hard way, but in case anyone knows: Is the source currently in the Gold tree the same as that in the Sept. 2005 tarball that already exists? -Thanks, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:42:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: HyperDoc macros -Cc: list Gaby, @@ -36345,19 +31764,12 @@ Ok. > to macro table correctly. > ... - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:42:24 -0500 From: Matt Kaufmann To: Robert Dodier - (Robert Dodier) - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> - <54wsxvvf96.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -Cc: Camm Maguire, maxima@math.utexas.edu, Robert Boyer, - list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: [Maxima] 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Camm Maguire, Robert Boyer Regarding: @@ -36382,19 +31794,18 @@ Thanks -- DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; - b=VZiMC3HyT3UTewJZPY62wUlvOIzW8bNMIqcj7N7aoKMfRvx+L4OTSj0xu9lgHRjiOx8V4XriJpjyz5XbyEPEWWzOSbBIt1+DzVEotW9L/N7m8hFUewXaZIyHxb2JEl2bdM/Lms7XjA4u0qWKL4WOcfG0euxAmYNEmStO2MklU3Y= - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; + b=VZiMC3HyT3UTewJZPY62wUlvOIzW8bNMIqcj7N7aoKMfRvx+L4OTSj0xu9lgHRjiOx8V4XriJpjyz5XbyEPEWWzOSbBIt1+DzVEotW9L/N7m8hFUewXaZIyHxb2JEl2bdM/Lms7XjA4u0qWKL4WOcfG0euxAmYNEmStO2MklU3Y DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Uc7KjbTveZ5Y+baAcGZZ+FkahsWXBfq25sEF599pvFHDLdFq/ZCNUJWflqsNaRltPGEdYCNVtW6EW8zr4bUbf5IGM5N8J9BbzKGWSj6Va3qC3KFjA31NtFJe7ShtugO6Ys0hWjTy+SiDbmLNAl30ImZOZk7id3U/8HeSjR+9t8M= Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:03:49 -0600 - From: "Robert Dodier" Robert Dodier + From: Robert Dodier Cc: "Robert Boyer" Robert Boyer, maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, "Matt Kaufmann" Matt Kaufmann Content-Disposition: inline X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 - X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-163 required=200 + X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-163 required0 Camm, @@ -36412,25 +31823,12 @@ Thanks -- All the best, & keep up the good work. - Robert Dodier - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:02:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis - - - - <467CB99E.30100@hemmecke.de> - <9qy7ib5eew.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - - -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Version numbers +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On 6/25/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -36512,31 +31910,23 @@ No sorry, that is my grammatical error. I should have written: > | interchange so I am glad that Tim has set the record straight. > ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:23:51 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: *read-default-float-format* in SBCL/wh-sandbox -Le samedi 23 juin 2007 =E0 21:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +Le samedi 23 juin 2007 =E0 21:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Hello Waldek, -> >=20 -> > *read-default-float-format* is set to single-float in SBCL/wh-sandbox= -. +> > +> > *read-default-float-format* is set to single-float in SBCL/wh-sandbox. > > The problem, I think, is that SBCL does not save the value of this -> > variable when creating a new Lisp image. As far as I know this happen= -s +> > variable when creating a new Lisp image. As far as I know this happens > > for other variables (not exhaustive of course) *print-escape* > > *load-verbose* *compile-verbose* *load-print* *compile-print* > > *print-array*. -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > AFAICS in open source Axiom *read-default-float-format* always was > set to single-float. CCL based Axiom set *read-default-float-format* > to double-float. GCL uses the same precision for single and @@ -36556,11 +31946,11 @@ $useBFasDefault is set to false Axiom creates single-floats and therefore computations are done over single-floats. You can try in the interpreter : -)bo $useBFasDefault :=3D false +)bo $useBFasDefault := false 1.0/3*float(3,0,10)@DoubleFloat -=3D> 1.0000000298023224d0 +=> 1.0000000298023224d0 This can be fixed by modifying the function MAKE-FLOAT in macros.lisp @@ -36579,7 +31969,7 @@ double-float. [...] ->=20 +> > BTW: If you want to have quiet compilation/loading it is not > enough to set *load-verbose* and *compile-verbose* to nil. > One also have to handle various conditions (see for example @@ -36587,34 +31977,22 @@ double-float. Ok, thanks, I just upgraded. -Greg - - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Lille -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:30:39 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Lille Le dimanche 24 juin 2007 =E0 17:51 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > Hi, ->=20 -> I'm currently in Lille; I visited the computer algebra group (headed = -by -> Michel Petitot) at LIFL last thursday. Michel Petitot was an Axiom use= -r and -> contributor in the late '80 and beginning '90 -- pieces of his contribu= -tions -> to the Axiom algebra are still there. =20 ->=20 -> I'll be giving a talk on Axiom next wednesday to the group. Most of = -it -> will be update on the state of the project, current architcture, and po= -ssible=20 +> +> I'm currently in Lille; I visited the computer algebra group (headed by +> Michel Petitot) at LIFL last thursday. Michel Petitot was an Axiom user and +> contributor in the late '80 and beginning '90 -- pieces of his contributions +> to the Axiom algebra are still there. +> +> I'll be giving a talk on Axiom next wednesday to the group. Most of it +> will be update on the state of the project, current architcture, and possible > future (technical) directions. Hmm... I never speak about my private life but I'll make a small @@ -36624,17 +32002,10 @@ Welcome (I live at 10 km of Lille, 8 km of Lille 1 (USTL)). I wish you all the best in Lille. -Greg - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Jun 2007 19:16:32 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom version numbering Tim Daly writes: @@ -36652,18 +32023,11 @@ should, rather, I propose that the banner reflects the branch and the revision. For me, the date when axiom was built is completely useless, but I don't mind having it in the banner. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:31:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: Lille - <1182789039.5375.54.camel@ellipse> -Cc: list On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -36676,16 +32040,11 @@ On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: Many thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:39:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -Cc: list > Well, the cvs and arch trees currently represent the Gold archive. @@ -36714,16 +32073,11 @@ them. You seem to have too much time. Lucky you. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: re: Axiom version numbering -To: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:08:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: re: Axiom version numbering > Tim Daly writes: > @@ -36775,17 +32129,10 @@ I think that with limited effort we could embed into Axiom the last ChangeLog entry (or even the whole ChangeLog if that is preferable), but I am not sure if we want this. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:15:40 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Version numbers and merging improvements > And I hope they will be gone once trunk turns into Gold. Then everything @@ -36820,18 +32167,11 @@ Cliff's efforts to make tarballs of Gold for various platforms is a much needed effort. I don't believe that version numbering is of any interest outside our little furball of developers but who knows.... -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list - ---- Ralf Hemmecke wrote: +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements > > Well, the cvs and arch trees currently represent the Gold archive. > @@ -36898,24 +32238,11 @@ autoconf read the repository information and update the appropriate fields or do you manually update configure.ac.pamphlet with each check-in? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels -in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 20:29:11 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Jun 2007 20:29:11 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -36961,19 +32288,10 @@ Drawbacks: might be a bit harder to implement, since the version number needs to get information from svn. But I'd hope that it would be doable. In fact, why shouldn't that be done manually? - - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:32:18 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, - "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch, Cliff Yapp Subject: Version numbers and merging improvements If you know the SVN command that will show the revision number it @@ -37011,17 +32329,11 @@ If the mnt/sys/timestamp file contained the revision number at the time of the build it would be trivial read the file and add it to the banner. - -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:01:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -Cc: list On 6/25/07Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -37034,17 +32346,11 @@ version of Apache then we are currently using. This problem is quite easily solved. If this is really an issue, please let me know and I will give it some priority. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements --- Martin Rubey wrote: > > 2. When debugging Axiom, the most useful information is the branch @@ -37113,23 +32419,11 @@ shouldn't ever need tarballs or binaries, once the main Silver branch and a Gold release can build on the target platforms with the key features. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -http://sims.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Tim Daly, Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements --- Tim Daly wrote: @@ -37141,23 +32435,11 @@ https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/WhenSvN (I can't tell - is Git already supported? https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/Git) -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -The fish are biting. -Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php - - - \start -Subject: Re: other diff-Naur changesets -To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:32:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: other diff-Naur changesets > So you're proposing: > @@ -37222,50 +32504,31 @@ conclusion is that doing merge in stages requires much extra work and there is good chance that intermediate stages will be more or less broken. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:43:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -Cc: list > If you know the SVN command that will show the revision number Issue "svn info" in the root path of the checkout. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:52:13 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Version numbers and merging improvements Waldek, Try using AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/fedora5 instead of `pwd`/mnt/linux - - -Tim - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 21:59:22 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Jun 2007 21:59:22 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -37293,17 +32556,11 @@ to me, Austrian researchers seem to embrace Axiom: MathAction lists Austria with 2% before Canada, Russia and China, each with 1%. Not bad, eh ? -- altogether there are only roughly 8 million Austrians...) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -37374,38 +32631,19 @@ Cool :-). Well, if y'all are using Axiom you won't need as many ;-) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:34:48 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: austria So all of Austria has less people than just New York City? Wow. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 22:39:23 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Jun 2007 22:39:23 +0200 -Cc: list - -Dear Cliff, Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -37440,17 +32678,10 @@ please implement one that works with the current situation. If you implement one that works for Gold only, forget it. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly, list -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: mnt binary storage Tim, as long as I'm stepping on land mines here's one more to round out @@ -37487,24 +32718,12 @@ machine (even multiple versions of the same lisp!) and let ASDF keep everything straight. Is that binary structure something I shouldn't be monkeying with? -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 25 Jun 2007 16:51:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Axisp news - Greetings all, FYI: Today I updated the axisp repo with some new code. The principle @@ -37537,22 +32756,11 @@ foo.spad'. Finally, any comments or feedback are greatly appreciated. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news -To: Stephen Wilson, - axiom-devel -Cc: - --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -37582,23 +32790,11 @@ some time :-/. Thanks Steve for working on this! -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:05:17 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: mnt binary storage -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:05:17 -0400 -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -37613,19 +32809,10 @@ output should go. This is a relatively straightforward process and can be used to integrate with the existing scheme. I would be happy to supply the details, if needed. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:09:06 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: binary naming scheme There are 4 primary directories: src, int, obj, and mnt. @@ -37685,35 +32872,22 @@ where obj/compiler-name-version-os-arch contains machine-generated binaries mnt/compiler-name-version-os-arch contains a ship image for that arch -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:16:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Axiom active branches - -Tim -- - Maybe your branch is really private and you were "forced" to make it public. However, build-improvements and wh-sandbox are not private. Please stop referring to them as private. You're spearding confusion for no gain. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:23:12 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axisp news -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:23:12 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -37754,24 +32928,12 @@ input during the next iteration of improvements. > some time :-/. > > Thanks Steve for working on this! -> -> Cheers, -> CY - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 23:30:22 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 25 Jun 2007 23:30:22 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -37794,21 +32956,13 @@ time. All the best and thanks for working on this, -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements ---- Martin Rubey wrote: - > I find it extremely hard to classify many of the recent (i.e., last > few months) changes in wh-sandbox as minor. May well be that only > a single line in the algebra sources was modified, but still, if the @@ -37913,47 +33067,34 @@ working build state? Otherwise we may wind up with a patching version of a bootstrap problem, and that will be pure unmitigated nastiness for minimal gain. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:40:52 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:40:52 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Martin Rubey writes: > Stephen Wilson writes: > > > > Hmm. How does it do with Martin's Guess package? -> > -> > I have not tested it. I would be surprised if it worked. The parser handles -> > a good chuck of the spad grammar but it is known to be deficient in a few -> > areas, and even intentionally incompatible in others. Perhaps I will use the -> > guess package as `representative' input during the next iteration of -> > improvements. -> + +> > I have not tested it. I would be surprised if it worked. The +> > parser handles a good chuck of the spad grammar but it is known to +> > be deficient in a few areas, and even intentionally incompatible +> > in others. Perhaps I will use the guess package as +> > `representative' input during the next iteration of improvements. + > I would urge you, not to. I believe I use some hacks I'd rather have > non-working. (I use them only because the proper way is not > supported by SPAD) Ok. Thanks for the heads up. -> Rather, PLEASE try to follow the Aldor User Guide. Since Christian Aistleitner -> wrote a parser for Aldor some time ago (in Aldor, sources being available from -> himself, I believe), maybe you would like to get into contact with him. +> Rather, PLEASE try to follow the Aldor User Guide. Since Christian +> Aistleitner wrote a parser for Aldor some time ago (in Aldor, +> sources being available from himself, I believe), maybe you would +> like to get into contact with him. Grammatically, Spad is fairly similar to Aldor, as you know. I am actively thinking about Aldor features that I would like to integrate @@ -37963,8 +33104,8 @@ same is true, or course, with Spad. I would be happy to dicuss some of my plans for enriching the compiler with features familiar to Aldor if interested. -> Trying to model a parser after the current algebra is, in my opinion, a wast of -> time. +> Trying to model a parser after the current algebra is, in my +> opinion, a wast of time. I agree. I am not attempting a replacement. I dont care about being able to parse the whole algebra. @@ -37973,23 +33114,13 @@ I would certainly like to encourage anyone to contribute their thoughts on what an `ideal' language should be. > All the best and thanks for working on this, -> -> Martin - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:42:46 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:42:46 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings, and thanks again as always! @@ -38108,26 +33239,6 @@ Take care, > > BTW: it looks that at that stage I have 167 gazonk* files in the > /tmp directory -- it looks that gcl is leaving trash files there. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:43:45 -0500 (CDT) @@ -38135,9 +33246,6 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Automatic update of version number - -Cliff -- - When I switched to Autoconf, one of the first thing I did was to have the version number be part of configure and propagate from there down -- Autoconf can do that very easily. @@ -38154,18 +33262,12 @@ information from there (e.g. cat). Set up a cron job on SF to daily update the date. Setup a commit script that automatically increment the revision number in the file on every commit. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:44:18 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <87tzswyhgf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 25 Jun 2007 17:44:18 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! Just interested, why do you execute si::top-level by hand? @@ -38187,28 +33289,12 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > winds up in the calls to sys:allocate. > > Explicit call to gc in all cases so far has enabled me to continue. -> -> -> Cheers, -> Steve -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:45:35 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Le dimanche 24 juin 2007 =E0 14:03 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : @@ -38239,21 +33325,11 @@ that you'll remove the readable? and consort functions ? There is, apparently, no attachment to your mail. I would be glad to look at your code. -Many thanks for your work. - -Greg - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:51:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4fzp61.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -38273,23 +33349,15 @@ hopefully we will get some feedback. OK. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:22:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list - - ---ELM1182810167-10392-0_ +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: Axiom under Windows Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > Le dimanche 24 juin 2007 ? 14:03 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : ->=20 +> > > Concerning writablep: I looked at your code. But AFAICS we would > > need a separate version for each Lisp system. And the code is > > actually more complicated than C version. So I think it is better @@ -38297,16 +33365,16 @@ Gregory Vanuxem wrote: > > for writablep it seem to work. To say the truth I would like > > to limit use writablep/readable just to (rare) sitations when > > one really needs them and eliminate them from other places. ->=20 +> > Even in the algebra code (FileNameCategory) ? If I remember correctly > you suppressed several check of this type in the algebra. Does that mean > that you'll remove the readable? and consort functions ? ->=20 +> Yes, at some time we will have to rework FileNameCategory. But for both technical reasons (problem with bootstrap) and nontechnical reasons (I do not want introduce now an incompatible -dialect od Spad) I wait with such change. =20 +dialect od Spad) I wait with such change. > > Attached you will find a little Lisp file "ffi-tst.lisp" and a > > patch. After applying the patch compiling Axiom will build @@ -38319,16 +33387,16 @@ dialect od Spad) I wait with such change. =20 > > (but I have to work out "sock_get_string_buf" and fix various > > portablity problems including console handling before socket > > code will have any visible effect). ->=20 +> > There is, apparently, no attachment to your mail. I would be glad to > look at your code. ->=20 +> Sorry I forgot to attach them -- I am sending them with this message. ---=20 +-- Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 +Waldek Hebisch --ELM1182810167-10392-0_ @@ -38447,19 +33515,12 @@ diff -ru --exclude=Makefile.in por/wh-20070527/src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet wh-2007 <> ---ELM1182810167-10392-0_-- - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 18:26:47 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <87tzswyhgf.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54bqf3zp3h.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 25 Jun 2007 18:26:47 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Camm Maguire writes: @@ -38470,10 +33531,6 @@ and quickly testing the effect on the system. Executing the )fin command at axiom toplevel returns to enclosing lisp repl. Using si:top-level lets me `nest' sessions. I rarely do this, however. -Sincerely, -Steve - - > > Take care, > @@ -38493,30 +33550,12 @@ Steve > > winds up in the calls to sys:allocate. > > > > Explicit call to gc in all cases so far has enabled me to continue. -> > -> > -> > Cheers, -> > Steve -> > -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: mnt binary storage To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: mnt binary storage --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -38546,25 +33585,12 @@ have to play around a little and see what the hurdles are. Without that, asdf can't build the entire Axiom from scratch in one shot as far as I can tell - dumping core files ends a session. Hmm. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Don't pick lemons. -See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. -http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:03:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Still tryinh gcl from 2007-06-23 with workarounds (sgc disabled), and using (setq si::*disable-recompile* t). The build went @@ -38624,7 +33650,7 @@ BOOT>>:bt #20 C1LET {*vars*=(nil (tagbody (return #))),loc1=nil,loc2=nil} [ihs=23] #21 C1SYMBOL-FUN {loc0=let,loc1=(nil (tagbody (return #))),loc2=nil,loc3=nil,loc4=nil,loc5=nil} [ihs=22] #22 C1EXPR {form=(let nil (tagbody (return #))),loc1=((let nil (tagbody #))),loc2=:ref-clb} [ihs=21] -#23 C1PROGN {loc0=((let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=nil,loc2=:ref,loc3=nil} [ihs=20] +#23 C1PROGN {loc0=((let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=nil,loc2=:ref,loc3=nil} [ihs] #24 C1BLOCK {loc0=(nil (let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=t} [ihs=19] #25 C1SYMBOL-FUN {loc0=block,loc1=(nil (let nil (tagbody #))),loc2=t,loc3=(t),loc4=#<"COMPILER" p...} [ihs=18] #26 C1EXPR {form=(block nil (let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=((block nil (let nil #))),loc2=((bl...} [ihs=17] @@ -38646,19 +33672,11 @@ nil (return (/...} [ihs=6] #41 EVAL {loc0=nil,loc1=nil,loc2=nil,loc3=#} [ihs=2] BOOT>> - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 20:10:18 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: mnt binary storage -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 25 Jun 2007 20:10:18 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: [...] @@ -38679,23 +33697,11 @@ Driving the process using make is, IMHO, still preferred. Make could call out to an ASDF aware lisp at various stages to compile, load, and save the system when appropriate. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: mnt binary storage To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: mnt binary storage --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -38720,25 +33726,12 @@ that advantage. Yes. That will probably be how it will be done at first. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start +Date: 25 Jun 2007 21:41:45 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 25 Jun 2007 21:41:45 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings, and thanks Waldek! Should be fixed now. (The format of this report was very helpful.) @@ -38813,7 +33806,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > #20 C1LET {*vars*=(nil (tagbody (return #))),loc1=nil,loc2=nil} [ihs=23] > #21 C1SYMBOL-FUN {loc0=let,loc1=(nil (tagbody (return #))),loc2=nil,loc3=nil,loc4=nil,loc5=nil} [ihs=22] > #22 C1EXPR {form=(let nil (tagbody (return #))),loc1=((let nil (tagbody #))),loc2=:ref-clb} [ihs=21] -> #23 C1PROGN {loc0=((let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=nil,loc2=:ref,loc3=nil} [ihs=20] +> #23 C1PROGN {loc0=((let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=nil,loc2=:ref,loc3=nil} [ihs] > #24 C1BLOCK {loc0=(nil (let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=t} [ihs=19] > #25 C1SYMBOL-FUN {loc0=block,loc1=(nil (let nil (tagbody #))),loc2=t,loc3=(t),loc4=#<"COMPILER" p...} [ihs=18] > #26 C1EXPR {form=(block nil (let nil (tagbody #))),loc1=((block nil (let nil #))),loc2=((bl...} [ihs=17] @@ -38834,33 +33827,17 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > #40 COMPILE-FILE {loc0="sfsfun.clisp",file=:output-file,args="sfsfun.o",loc3=(nil "sfsfun.clisp")...} [ihs=3] > #41 EVAL {loc0=nil,loc1=nil,loc2=nil,loc3=#} [ihs=2] > BOOT>> -> -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:59:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Greetings, and thanks Waldek! Should be fixed now. (The format of > this report was very helpful.) ->=20 +> Thanks for your message. I tried new version from cvs and I again have build problem: @@ -38874,7 +33851,7 @@ ERROR "The tag (NIL) is undefined." Broken at COMPILER::CMPERR. Type :H for Help. SYSTEM>>make: *** [unixport/saved_pre_gcl] B=B3=B1d 255 - =20 + The configure log is at: @@ -38886,20 +33863,12 @@ http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg The machine is 64-bit dual core Pentium D 805 running Debian etch. ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start -Subject: Re: New dynamic library access in GCL -From: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -To: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:45:31 +0200 - VDF: 6.39.0.56; host: mg1-av) -Cc: Maxima List , list, - Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Warren Hunt +From: Gernot Hueber +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: New dynamic library access in GCL +Cc: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt Dear Camm, @@ -39222,31 +34191,25 @@ On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 20:15 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > Enjoy! > --- -Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 08:29:48 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 08:29:48 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: -> > Rather, PLEASE try to follow the Aldor User Guide. Since Christian Aistleitner -> > wrote a parser for Aldor some time ago (in Aldor, sources being available from -> > himself, I believe), maybe you would like to get into contact with him. -> -> Grammatically, Spad is fairly similar to Aldor, as you know. I am actively -> thinking about Aldor features that I would like to integrate with the -> compiler down the road. However, I am not commiting to cloning Aldor, as I -> feel there are shortcomings/difficulties. +> > Rather, PLEASE try to follow the Aldor User Guide. Since +> > Christian Aistleitner wrote a parser for Aldor some time ago (in +> > Aldor, sources being available from himself, I believe), maybe you +> > would like to get into contact with him. + +> Grammatically, Spad is fairly similar to Aldor, as you know. I am +> actively thinking about Aldor features that I would like to +> integrate with the compiler down the road. However, I am not +> commiting to cloning Aldor, as I feel there are +> shortcomings/difficulties. I would really like to know what shortcomings you mean here. I know of only very few, and these are - in my opinion - really difficult questions: @@ -39295,17 +34258,11 @@ useless language in the end. Too many people tried to do that, and only very very few, very very gifted people succeeded. Aldor is a pretty good language for doing mathematics. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 08:35:12 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 08:35:12 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -39336,21 +34293,11 @@ build-improvements, wh-sandbox and trunk. That would make me very happy. :-) -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 04:59:27 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 04:59:27 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Martin Rubey writes: @@ -39514,28 +34461,12 @@ Yep, its pretty good. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'll take a stab at improving it. I know that `ideal' is a pipe-dream. -> -> Martin - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 12:20:13 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 12:20:13 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke Dear Stephen, @@ -39606,26 +34537,11 @@ to implement multisort species in Aldor? There, we are pushing the limits of Aldor, I guess. Also, the parser and domain generator I wrote shows some features one may want to have. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson, Christian Aistleitner, - axiom-devel , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jun 2007 12:55:59 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Stephen Wilson, Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke +Subject: Re: Axisp news Martin Rubey writes: @@ -39641,21 +34557,12 @@ contrary to the recommendation of PollThompson. In any case, I think the best way to see this problem is to join our discussion. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:19:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey - <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - aldor-l Subject: Problem kTuple wish 2. +Cc: Christian Aistleitner >>>> * certain difficulties transforming Tuples >>> I assume your talking about the issues raised in the article I mentioned @@ -39703,19 +34610,11 @@ c := m(1, "x", false); the compiler should already shout that the type of the first argument doesn't fit. -Good luck. - -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:36:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel >> * the problem of needing both AbelianMonoid as well as Monoid. > @@ -39724,19 +34623,12 @@ Cc: axiom-devel Could you give a short account on how this code looks in OBJ? -Thanks -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:46:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner > Yes, constants may contain mutable data. But that's just as in other > languages. It is true that you can say @@ -39755,16 +34647,10 @@ as a constant. The only thing I want a user then to do is to ask for coefficients. But in order to provide such an infinite constant I need a way to compute it without having the compiler run infinitely long. -Ralf - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:05:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements I wrote: @@ -39784,21 +34670,11 @@ and tried to build silver on machine where libXpm.a was not intalled. The build works when machine has libXpm.a installed (at least it worked on 64-bit gentoo). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:07:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list - - ---- Martin Rubey wrote: +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements > > But we do have one that works with the current situation - > > yymm.branch.revision. @@ -39839,23 +34715,11 @@ axiom-windows-20070701.wh-sandbox.607.exe I like it. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 16:04:21 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 16:04:21 +0200 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -39878,16 +34742,10 @@ the appropriate command there. In any case, I guess that it will be enough to provide scripts for git and svn for the moment, don't you think? -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:22:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gdr@sun.tamu.edu +To: Tim Daly Subject: Dependencies I promised to write about dependecies in build machinery. First @@ -39938,33 +34796,21 @@ changed Lisp image. Finally, in wh-sandbox .pht pages are generated. This depends on fixes to hypertex program, interpeter and libspad. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:25:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: Axiom at version 3.4? Ooops. There is already version 3.4 of Axiom. Very interesting. ;-) http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandriva/2007.1/i586/media/contrib/release/axiom-3.4-0.20050901.1mdk.i586.html -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements --- Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -39983,23 +34829,11 @@ Cc: list I should think so. Thanks! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start -Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -To: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:30:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements Martin Rubey wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -40026,18 +34860,11 @@ Also, while script should be simple testing on SourceForge may be tricky, so somebody having an svn server should probably first test such script on their own server and only later install it on SourceForge. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:07:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? -Cc: axiom-dev On 6/26/07 Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Ooops. There is already version 3.4 of Axiom. Very interesting. ;-) @@ -40048,17 +34875,11 @@ I think Tim has defined at least axiom version 3.6 ((June 2005). See: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/axiom/axiom -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 17:18:10 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Version numbers and merging improvements -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 17:18:10 +0200 -Cc: list Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -40089,25 +34910,12 @@ Hm, there are really two possibilities: Don't know what to recommend. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:27:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Automated version update - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. - ---8323584-1681983912-1182871666=:22161 - - -Cliff -- - You don't need to have separate programs for sepaerate branches. Please find attached the script @@ -40206,16 +35014,11 @@ cm0gLXJmIC90bXAvJCQNCmV4aXQgJFJFU1VMVA0K --8323584-1681983912-1182871666=:22161-- - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:08:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page , - axiom-dev +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? - -Cc: On 06/26/2007 05:07 PM, Bill Page wrote: > On 6/26/07 Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -40234,16 +35037,11 @@ must really have missed that version discussion one year ago. Maybe don't count as a developer anymore if I don't even know what version number Axiom currently has. Sorry that I am out. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:21:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Automated version update -Cc: list Hi Gaby, Cliff, Martin, @@ -40285,18 +35083,12 @@ On 06/26/2007 05:27 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > want are in IGNORE_BRANCHES. > > HTH -> -> -- Gaby - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:34:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Automated version update - <46813D18.9060705@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -40313,17 +35105,12 @@ In case of Axiom, it would be only *one*. Yes, but that has nothing to do with the script I sent. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:43:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Automated version update - Martin -- It is obvious to me that automated version updated can run as follows: @@ -40347,17 +35134,11 @@ Martin -- So, it looks to me that the problem has a maximum solution :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:44:10 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? - <46813A10.3020402@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: > On 06/26/2007 05:07 PM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -40396,26 +35177,12 @@ Absence of 1 and 2 hurts Axiom publicity. With best regards, -Vadim - --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start -To: Matt Kaufmann - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> - <54wsxvvf96.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200706250319.l5P3Ju0f020720@sundance.cs.utexas.edu> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 26 Jun 2007 13:25:31 -0400 -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Robert Boyer, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Matt Kaufmann Subject: Re: 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Robert Boyer Greetings! @@ -40505,7 +35272,7 @@ Take care, > From: Camm Maguire > Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:41:25 -0400 > X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 -> X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required=200 +> X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required0 > > Greetings! > @@ -40728,37 +35495,17 @@ Take care, > of the community. For those new to this thread, this mechanism > obviates the need for ftype declaims. A final question remains of > whether or not to actually use ftype declaims if provided. -> -> Take care, -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -Subject: Re: [Maxima] New dynamic library access in GCL - <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 26 Jun 2007 13:35:39 -0400 -Cc: Maxima List , list, - Robert Boyer, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Warren Hunt +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gernot Hueber +Subject: Re: [Maxima] New dynamic library access in GCL +Cc: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt Greetings! -Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: +Gernot Hueber writes: > Dear Camm, > @@ -41128,32 +35875,12 @@ Take care, > > 7) symbols are created and linked on .o load if necessary > > 8) loaded .o code keeps a list of its external pointers in use, which > > are then reset on image re-execution. -> > -> > Enjoy! -> > -> -- -> Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -> _______________________________________________ -> Maxima mailing list -> Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 19:37:00 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Automated version update -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 19:37:00 +0200 -Cc: list Dear Gaby, @@ -41183,21 +35910,12 @@ Martin Important PS: just after the last AxiomWorkshop I realized that there are zero female developers for Axiom. Any ideas how to change this? - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:02:12 -0500 From: Matt Kaufmann To: Camm Maguire - on 26 Jun 2007 13:25:31 -0400) - <200706221313.l5MDDw6E029725@elgin.cs.utexas.edu> - <54wsxvvf96.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200706250319.l5P3Ju0f020720@sundance.cs.utexas.edu> - <54d4zi39x0.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Robert Boyer, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: 2.7.0 nqthm compile times +Cc: Robert Boyer Hi, Camm -- @@ -41209,7 +35927,7 @@ My reply is interspersed below. From: Camm Maguire Date: 26 Jun 2007 13:25:31 -0400 X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 - X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required=200 + X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required0 Greetings! @@ -41363,7 +36081,7 @@ Thanks again -- > From: Camm Maguire > Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:41:25 -0400 > X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 - > X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required=200 + > X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-315 required0 > > Greetings! > @@ -41586,38 +36304,13 @@ Thanks again -- > of the community. For those new to this thread, this mechanism > obviates the need for ftype declaims. A final question remains of > whether or not to actually use ftype declaims if provided. - > - > Take care, - > - > -- - > Camm Maguire Camm Maguire - > ========================================================================== - > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - > - > - > - > - - -- - Camm Maguire Camm Maguire - ========================================================================== - "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 14:07:45 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 14:07:45 -0400 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke Martin Rubey writes: > Dear Stephen, @@ -41750,23 +36443,11 @@ runtime cost. Option 3) is just there for its own sake. I am afraid I would not be able to contribute much to that discussion. I also have few free cycles to spare, unfortunately. -> -> Martin - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:23:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov -Cc: axiom-dev - +Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? --- Vadim V. Zhytnikov wrote: @@ -41822,32 +36503,12 @@ for the Gold releases make sense? I tend to agree - publicity needs sound bites. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. -Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46810445.8010705@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 26 Jun 2007 14:43:51 -0400 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - aldor-l +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Problem kTuple wish 2. +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Hello Ralf, @@ -41875,32 +36536,12 @@ polar opposites. Certainly this kind of generality is not on the radar for me any time soon. -> -> Good luck. -> -> Ralf - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 20:46:25 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 20:46:25 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -41944,22 +36585,11 @@ I checked, you are right. I'm quite sure that this is not true. But even if true, it might make clearer which features the language lacks. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 20:49:36 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 20:49:36 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -41969,18 +36599,12 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: I suggest that we discuss that part once you (or somebody) has implemented the (possibly semi-)automatic version information in the banner. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:59:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On 06/26/2007 08:07 PM, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Martin Rubey writes: @@ -42033,18 +36657,11 @@ even with just the definition (*)? I cannot see that I would like such sugar. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:08:15 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Vadim V. Zhytnikov Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? - - <46813A10.3020402@hemmecke.de> <4681506A.20407@netorn.ru> -Cc: axiom-dev On 6/26/07, Vadim V. Zhytnikov wrote: > Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -42104,26 +36721,12 @@ committed to taking responsibility for the job. So if anyone has an opinion and some energy to devote to this task I would encourage you to join. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:12:12 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q7ipqlfjy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:12:12 -0400 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke Martin, @@ -42178,34 +36781,12 @@ thanks for the insight! There is a mailing list? I could lurk there and contribute as appropriate. -> -> All the best, -> -> Martin - - -Many thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 21:34:10 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: combinat mailing list - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q7ipqlfjy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ir9awmwj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 26 Jun 2007 21:34:10 +0200 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, - axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -42247,20 +36828,11 @@ interpret(p: List ExpressionTree): List LabelSpecies == { which you find in trunk/combinat/src/interp.as.nw of the aldor-combinat tree. There, you will also find quite precise documentation. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:41:06 +0300 From: Vadim V. Zhytnikov -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom at version 3.4? - - <46813A10.3020402@hemmecke.de> <4681506A.20407@netorn.ru> - -Cc: axiom-dev Bill Page writes: > On 6/26/07, Vadim V. Zhytnikov wrote: @@ -42286,27 +36858,12 @@ I know this since I package axiom for one of Linux distros and have to cope somehow with package numbering. --- - Vadim V. Zhytnikov - - - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:43:39 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:43:39 -0400 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -42411,36 +36968,12 @@ arity is reduced from three to one. But it is just syntatic sugar. -> -> Ralf - - -Thanks again, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:57:54 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: combinat mailing list - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q7ipqlfjy.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ir9awmwj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qbqf2cxxp.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 15:57:54 -0400 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke - - -Martin, +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Ralf Hemmecke I subscribed to the combinat list. I am also in the process of setting up an older machine which I hope will allow me to get an aldor @@ -42496,11 +37029,6 @@ Martin Rubey writes: > > which you find in trunk/combinat/src/interp.as.nw of the aldor-combinat tree. > There, you will also find quite precise documentation. -> -> Martin - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:48:07 -0500 (CDT) @@ -42508,23 +37036,16 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Axiom versioning - Vadim -- I completely agree with your assessment. Please just pick 4.0 and be done with it. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list, - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 26 Jun 2007 22:49:11 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: fixes / day I would like to propose a new unit of measurement for fixes per day and call it @@ -42532,18 +37053,12 @@ Waldek. Many thanks, Waldek! -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 17:20:44 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 26 Jun 2007 17:20:44 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! My cvs is down at the moment. Until I get the fix in, you can replace @@ -42565,55 +37080,37 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > > Greetings, and thanks Waldek! Should be fixed now. (The format of > > this report was very helpful.) -> >=20 ->=20 +> > +> > Thanks for your message. I tried new version from cvs and I again > have build problem: ->=20 +> > ;; Compiling ../lsp/gcl_callhash.lsp. > ; (DEFUN DO-RECOMPILE ...) is being compiled. > ;;; The declaration (DECLARE (IGNORE TPN)) was found in a bad place. > Error: ERROR "The tag (NIL) is undefined." > Signalled by COMPILER::CMPERR. > ERROR "The tag (NIL) is undefined." ->=20 +> > Broken at COMPILER::CMPERR. Type :H for Help. > SYSTEM>>make: *** [unixport/saved_pre_gcl] B=B3=B1d 255 ->=20=20=20 ->=20 +> +> > The configure log is at: ->=20 +> > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/clogg ->=20 +> > The build log is at: ->=20 +> > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg ->=20 +> > The machine is 64-bit dual core Pentium D 805 running Debian etch. ->=20 -> --=20 -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:45:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Automated version update - <9qk5tqobwj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -42656,27 +37153,16 @@ For the SVN revision number in a release, I suggested that it is put in place when the release is done, so the release script can use svnversion (which retrieves the revision number of the checked out path). --- Gaby - - -| -| Martin -| -| Important PS: just after the last AxiomWorkshop I realized that there are zero -| female developers for Axiom. Any ideas how to change this? -| -| - - +| Important PS: just after the last AxiomWorkshop I realized that +| there are zero female developers for Axiom. Any ideas how to change +| this? \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 18:22:47 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54odj2if9v.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 18:22:47 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Camm, @@ -42684,86 +37170,54 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! My cvs is down at the moment. Until I get the fix in, you > can replace ->=20 +> > (declare (ignore tpn)) ->=20 +> > with ->=20 +> > tpn ->=20 +> > in lsp/gcl_callhash.lsp, function do-recompile. ->=20 +> > Please let me know if problems persist. FYI, this change allowed the build to complete for me with ./configure --enable-ansi on i386 slackware 11.0.0 -Many Thanks! -Steve - - ->=20 -> Take care, ->=20 ->=20 > Waldek Hebisch writes: ->=20 +> > > > Greetings, and thanks Waldek! Should be fixed now. (The format of > > > this report was very helpful.) -> > >=20 -> >=20 +> > > +> > > > Thanks for your message. I tried new version from cvs and I again > > have build problem: -> >=20 +> > > > ;; Compiling ../lsp/gcl_callhash.lsp. > > ; (DEFUN DO-RECOMPILE ...) is being compiled. > > ;;; The declaration (DECLARE (IGNORE TPN)) was found in a bad place. > > Error: ERROR "The tag (NIL) is undefined." > > Signalled by COMPILER::CMPERR. > > ERROR "The tag (NIL) is undefined." -> >=20 +> > > > Broken at COMPILER::CMPERR. Type :H for Help. > > SYSTEM>>make: *** [unixport/saved_pre_gcl] B=B3=B1d 255 -> >=20=20=20 -> >=20 +> > +> > > > The configure log is at: -> >=20 +> > > > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/clogg -> >=20 +> > > > The build log is at: -> >=20 +> > > > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg -> >=20 +> > > > The machine is 64-bit dual core Pentium D 805 running Debian etch. -> >=20 -> > --=20 -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > Waldek Hebisch=20 -> >=20 -> >=20 -> >=20 ->=20 -> --=20 -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:39:28 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Subject: a suggestion William, @@ -42771,17 +37225,12 @@ William, Post your suggestion publicly. Ask for a vote. We will go with the majority opinion. You get to keep the final count. -Tim - - - \start Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:39:26 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner >> I must say, no matter whether it is syntactic sugar or not, a >> definition of the form @@ -42851,17 +37300,12 @@ DSteve(D1: CatA(R: Ring), D2: CatB(S: Ring)): ... I must say, if you modify the language in that direction, I am the first who doesn't follow your direction. -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -To: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:42:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Greetings! My cvs is down at the moment. Until I get the fix in, you > can replace @@ -42904,26 +37348,12 @@ Log of build after restart is at: http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg2 --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 18:54:28 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> - <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 18:54:28 -0400 -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel +Cc: Christian Aistleitner Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -43002,23 +37432,10 @@ otherwise hidden by sope into an enclosing context. I suspected that type patterns would be generally useful but I like the simplicity of Martins approach and will try to work with that. -> -> Ralf - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:43 -0400 From: William Sit -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Message-id: <46819CB7.5ED343A8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: A suggestion for Gold The following email (with minor changes) was originally sent @@ -43096,19 +37513,11 @@ uplift. And, thanks to all your efforts (and others), Axiom will survive, and be better. -William - - - \start Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:11:02 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Stephen Wilson, - axiom-dev +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> <87wsxquy1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: > Im not going to try and defend the idea, as I feel I can work with > simpler notions. But 1 and + would be considered value identifiers. @@ -43134,25 +37543,11 @@ can appear in places where you expect an "element". Martin was just demonstrating ordinary use of a dependent type. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 26 Jun 2007 19:35:31 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> - <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> - <87wsxquy1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46819D06.2020201@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jun 2007 19:35:31 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -43186,21 +37581,11 @@ Ok. There are certainly issues and am dropping the idea for now. Yes. Unfortuanately it is not so ordinary for Spad. I will see what I can do. -> -> Ralf - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:46:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold -Cc: list On 6/26/07, William Sit wrote: > The following email (with minor changes) was originally sent @@ -43220,28 +37605,22 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/VoteASuggestionForGold Please click on the above link and vote for or against his proposal. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:13:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold - -Cc: list William On Tue Jun 26 18:55:59 -0500 2007 you commented: -> I think everyone can "vote" using the page rating just above the "Add Comments" -> area. However, the rating choices right now are biased positively. I think the range -> should be from -2 to +2 and not -1 to +3. Comments, in particular, dicussions on -> technicalities, of course are welcome. -> +> I think everyone can "vote" using the page rating just above the +> "Add Comments" area. However, the rating choices right now are +> biased positively. I think the range should be from -2 to +2 and not +> -1 to +3. Comments, in particular, dicussions on technicalities, of +> course are welcome. + > Bill, is there a way to enforce voting only "once"? > > Thanks for putting up this page. @@ -43253,51 +37632,45 @@ web page since it might otherwise cause some confusion. I think it is best if people simply identify themselves when they leave a comment. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:46:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: Re: *read-default-float-format* in SBCL/wh-sandbox -> Le samedi 23 juin 2007 ? 21:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit :=20 +> Le samedi 23 juin 2007 ? 21:08 +0200, Waldek Hebisch a =E9crit : > > Do you think we should set *read-default-float-format* > > to T? I must admit that in Lisp/boot sources I would prefer to > > explicitly specify double precision (when needed), while for > > Spad/input we are (or should be) using our own routines anyway. ->=20 +> > I agree but I see two issues here, the first one is that when > $useBFasDefault is set to false Axiom creates single-floats and > therefore computations are done over single-floats. You can try in the > interpreter : ->=20 -> )bo $useBFasDefault :=3D false ->=20 +> +> )bo $useBFasDefault := false +> > 1.0/3*float(3,0,10)@DoubleFloat ->=20 -> =3D> 1.0000000298023224d0 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> => 1.0000000298023224d0 +> +> > This can be fixed by modifying the function MAKE-FLOAT in macros.lisp > (replacing the 'e' by a 'd' in the format) . This feature - using > DoubleFloat by default instead of Float - is very handy when you write a > Spad file where computations are done on DoubleFloat : you don't have to > coerce each Float and the generated Lisp file is cleaner. ->=20 +> > The other issue is how a DoubleFloat is displayed. Since we let Lisp > display it and *read-default-float-format* is set to single-float the > 'd' character is added to its printed representation. ->=20 +> > I think that in the mean time (as far as the Lisp "formatter" is used to > displays double-floats) *read-default-float-format* should be set to > double-float. ->=20 +> OK. As of revision 645 *read-default-float-format* should be set to double-float. This was somewhat tricky with sbcl -- if one just @@ -43307,18 +37680,12 @@ which is called before toplevel. In the process I think that I also fixed the )fin issue (typing )fin now gives the sbcl prompt). ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch=20 - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:56:23 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 6/26/07, William Sit wrote: > The following email (with minor changes) was originally sent @@ -43388,18 +37755,11 @@ rather moot. I think I will ponder these questions of another 24 hours before I decide my final reply to this proposal. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:35:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Autoconf change - -Cc: list On 6/25/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -43433,27 +37793,11 @@ those of Unix and Linux remains. So, please don't downcase all file names. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 27 Jun 2007 08:58:03 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> - <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> - <87wsxquy1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46819D06.2020201@hemmecke.de> - <87sl8euw58.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 27 Jun 2007 08:58:03 +0200 -Cc: axiom-dev Dear Stephen, @@ -43539,21 +37883,12 @@ Test(R: Field): with then foo n == n else bar n == n - - Maybe one of these projects is for you, -Martin - - - - \start -From: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -To: Waldek Hebisch Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:17:24 +0200 - VDF: 6.39.0.65; host: mg2-av) -Cc: list +From: Gernot Hueber +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: SBCL/wh-sandbox Dear Waldek, @@ -43808,17 +38143,10 @@ all-src 83338 p0 I+ 0:00.00 /home/ghue/src/wh-sandbox-sbcl/target/i386-unknown-freebsd6.2/bin/sman -noihere -paste /home/ghue/ -Best regards, - -Gernot - - - \start -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:00:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: SBCL/wh-sandbox > Dear Waldek, @@ -43893,19 +38221,12 @@ The processes are created as expected, but due to not working sockets enter infinite wait. If you get to this point just kill the processes -- all parts that should be build are build already. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold -To: Bill Page Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:52:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: A suggestion for Gold +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Bill Page wrote: > On 6/26/07, William Sit wrote: @@ -43939,21 +38260,11 @@ not ot vote). However to avoid confusion I must say that I fully support William's proposal. In fact, he very much articulated pragmatic approach to Axiom developement that I tried to advocate. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:26:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Autoconf change - - -Cc: list On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -43962,29 +38273,11 @@ On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Bill Page wrote: You understand the value of incremental improvements. I wish we were more in sharing that view. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 27 Jun 2007 12:48:45 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> - <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> - <87wsxquy1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46819D06.2020201@hemmecke.de> - <87sl8euw58.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qk5tpj344.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 Jun 2007 12:48:45 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev - -Hello Martin, Martin Rubey writes: @@ -44084,23 +38377,11 @@ Aldor. Martin, Ralf, many thanks for your input and thoughts. They are terrifically important to me and greatly appreciated! - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:17:09 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axisp news - <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> <87wsxquy1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <46819D06.2020201@hemmecke.de> <87sl8euw58.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <9qk5tpj344.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87odj1uyvm.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-dev Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -44126,33 +38407,11 @@ That is my opinion (and hope) as well. > means by which I am going to advance these notions is by writing the > code, by making it happen. -*Cheers* - -Thanks Steve for stepping up to the plate. - -CY - - - - \start +Date: 27 Jun 2007 14:40:33 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axisp news - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87r6nywpvy.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46816208.7040009@hemmecke.de> - <87ejjywlg4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4681959E.8040800@hemmecke.de> - <87wsxquy1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46819D06.2020201@hemmecke.de> - <87sl8euw58.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qk5tpj344.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87odj1uyvm.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4682A9A5.50701@yahoo.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 Jun 2007 14:40:33 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -44196,20 +38455,12 @@ I found the following quite useful, giving a good overview of the Any suggestions, preferences, comments, etc very much appreciated! - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:53:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Maxima List , list +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Axiom and GCL FFI +Cc: Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt I have a modest proposal concerning FFI, which I belive will solve many Axiom problems. While the proposal is motivated by Axiom @@ -44249,18 +38500,11 @@ coded using existing GCL constructs. The other operations may include dereferencing foreign pointers and block copy between foreign memory and Lisp. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axisp news To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-dev +Subject: Re: Axisp news --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -44272,24 +38516,11 @@ ironed out since the comparison article was written? I agree it sounds very interesting but I think we should probably first figure out if the performance drop is something that can be avoided. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time -with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news - - - \start +Date: 27 Jun 2007 17:22:56 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axisp news -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 27 Jun 2007 17:22:56 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -44316,22 +38547,10 @@ GCL does not appear to suffer from this. Looking at the code for Lift further encourages to me to belive that this is SBCL specific. -> -> Cheers, -> CY - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:32:56 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: A modest proposal Now that we've had a full, frank, and open debate about William Sit's @@ -44455,20 +38674,11 @@ make a diff-Naur changeset, document, test, and post it. Contribute. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:15:46 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: A modest proposal -Cc: list - -Hi, yes, I think Axiom should have just one official branch and it should just work. And that official branch should be the one in Debian (it @@ -44602,19 +38812,6 @@ On 6/28/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > make a diff-Naur changeset, document, test, and post it. > > Contribute. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:48:54 +0200 @@ -44654,16 +38851,11 @@ not the unwillingness to contribute to trunk. It is the problem that we cannot agree on *one* SCM and that the relation between trunk and build-improvements and wh-sandbox is unclear. -Ralf - - - \start Subject: Re: A modest proposal +From: Waldek Hebisch To: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:48:39 +0200 (CEST) -From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list > Oh, really? So it "just works" as in: > @@ -44685,20 +38877,12 @@ just fine, but on some other I noticed problems. If I were making a release tarball now I would probably include gcl-2.6.8-pre inside and made it a default. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:33:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Tim and Axiom - Tim -- I'm highly annoyed to find Axiom in almost the same situation as @@ -44724,17 +38908,12 @@ and wh-sandbox. likely that you were well-intensioned; but the execution is void of content. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:40:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: GCL-2.6.8 and Axiom - Waldek -- GCL-2.6.8 is still in build-improvements. It did noy go away. @@ -44748,17 +38927,11 @@ dependencies. If you unpack both in the same directory, you have all dependencies resolved. I can implement that too -- but I need to finish another work that is pending. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8 and Axiom -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Jun 2007 14:54:17 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8 and Axiom Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -44786,18 +38959,11 @@ I still have colleagues who tried to install wh-sandbox but didn't succeed. Of course, there is the mailing list, but many just don't bother / are too shy / don't know what to do / etc... - -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 09:10:23 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: A modest proposal -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jun 2007 09:10:23 -0400 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -44828,20 +38994,12 @@ change and Silver, I deal with it. The process is so blindingly simple I find it hard to believe it even needs discussion. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:12:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: GCL-2.6.8 and Axiom - <9qbqf05jeu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -44857,10 +39015,6 @@ that. Configure stops with hard errors when noweb is not present. Many there is not enough. Please, could you be more specific? That would help me in figuring out what to implement as solution. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:30:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -44868,7 +39022,6 @@ To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: open source, etc. - Tim -- I'm also a contributor to GDB. Indeed, there is no similaritie @@ -44886,17 +39039,11 @@ Don't go open source. Don't moralize about open source. Now, if you're still interested in in making Axiom better let's work on technical points. --- Gaby - - - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 09:34:36 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Tim and Axiom -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jun 2007 09:34:36 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > As of incremental changes to trunk, I guess you prefer ignore my recent @@ -44914,20 +39061,11 @@ change and comment on technicalities. Without that, I'm afraid, the execution is void of content. - -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:36:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Tim and Axiom - <87tzss42z7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -44949,20 +39087,11 @@ You vocally expressed that you had no interest in build-improvements or wh-sandbox. If you had any sense, you would be more productive in staying our of this debate. -Sincerely yours, - --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 09:54:01 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Tim and Axiom - <87tzss42z7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jun 2007 09:54:01 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -44981,21 +39110,11 @@ to. I care about Axiom. This debate affects the entire community. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:02:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Tim and Axiom - <87tzss42z7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87ps3g422u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -45008,20 +39127,11 @@ Since it is not one of your priotities to merge build-improvements or wh-sandbox with silver, you should be doing something more productive than you're at the moment. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 10:20:12 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Tim and Axiom - <87tzss42z7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87ps3g422u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jun 2007 10:20:12 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -45044,23 +39154,11 @@ effort. But your right, its not one of my priorities to collect said changes and propose a patch. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Tim and Axiom - <87tzss42z7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87ps3g422u.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87lke440v7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -45069,18 +39167,11 @@ On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: All I ask is that you stop distracting people whose priority it is. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:46:57 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: A modest proposal To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <4683F411.A0B6A79E@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list +Subject: Re: A modest proposal @@ -45182,16 +39273,12 @@ of lesser resistance".
 
  - - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 17:18:21 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 28 Jun 2007 17:18:21 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! @@ -45243,35 +39330,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > Log of build after restart is at: > > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg2 -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 17:55:41 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jun 2007 17:55:41 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hello, @@ -45283,10 +39348,6 @@ set to t. Will replay with fresh gclcvs tonight. -Thanks, -Steve - - Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! @@ -45339,39 +39400,11 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > > Log of build after restart is at: > > > > http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/prog/mlogg2 -> > -> > -- -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > Waldek Hebisch -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:54:09 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Subject: A modest proposal William, @@ -45573,30 +39606,10 @@ will never see? If you want to work on this project please respect the fundamental goals. That's not an unreasonable request. -Tim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:58:57 -0500 -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: A modest proposal Ondrej, @@ -45612,15 +39625,10 @@ true that Debian would give Axiom considerably more exposure. Are you a debian-committer? Can you take up the task of making a Debian release of Gold? -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:12:57 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: A modest proposal > Camm Maguire did the debian version. As far as I'm aware Camm is the @@ -45634,7 +39642,7 @@ Subject: Re: A modest proposal I am not a Debian developer, but I use Debian and I have some packages in Debian: -http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ondrej@certik.cz +http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Ondrej Certik but I always need to find a sponsor (a Debian developer) who uploads the package for me. Yes, I can update the package, but I don't have @@ -45642,15 +39650,10 @@ time to sort out bugs and stuff. But if you help me with compiling (I had problems with compiling the wh-sandbox), I can do that. But then I need to find a sponsor, which is really hard. -Ondrej - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:13:13 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: A modest proposal Ralf, @@ -45682,15 +39685,10 @@ The kind of diff-Naur patch I've asked from Gaby (autoconf) or Waldek (hyperdoc) are not represented in any of the changes I made. Thus there should be minimal collisions. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:24:21 -0500 -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: A modest proposal Ondrej, @@ -45698,17 +39696,10 @@ Ondrej, As noted, Camm both did the prior port and sponsored Axiom. If we can do the port I believe he can be asked to sponsor it. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:36:41 -0400 From: William Sit To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: A modest proposal @@ -45795,17 +39786,11 @@ As Donnie Brasco said in the namesake movie, let's "forget about it".
 
  - - - \start +Date: 28 Jun 2007 22:42:37 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axisp news -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jun 2007 22:42:37 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev - -Cliff, Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -45914,21 +39899,11 @@ I will submit a patch to the author of Lift, including this optimization and the port to GCL. There are a few remaining wrinkles to work out but should be able to have something soon-ish. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axisp news To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-dev - +Subject: Re: Axisp news --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -45941,27 +39916,12 @@ Cc: axiom-dev Very impressive! Thanks Steve for the hard work. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <878xa34uci.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 29 Jun 2007 00:40:28 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis Hello, @@ -46152,14 +40112,10 @@ NIL Thanks, Steve - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:27:46 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Subject: A modest proposal William, @@ -46168,15 +40124,10 @@ I apologize that I've been sarcastic to you in public. As you know from personal experience I hold you and your opinions in high esteem. Please accept my apology. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:11:09 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Subject: A modest proposal William, @@ -46333,15 +40284,10 @@ clear when a debate misses the point. "Reducto ad sarcasm" is not a proper way to debate and I'm sorry that I fell to that level. I hold you in high personal esteem and I regret that mistake. Mea culpa. -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:28:58 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: A modest proposal > Ondrej, @@ -46353,14 +40299,10 @@ OK. When you merge the repositories and make a release, let me know which exact version you would like to have in Debian and if Camm doesn't have time to update the package, I can do it. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:36:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: LogiWeb Hello @@ -46371,17 +40313,11 @@ http://logiweb.eu/ That seems to be a very interesting project. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:07:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: William Sit Subject: re: A modest proposal - <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: list Hello, @@ -46489,16 +40425,11 @@ a community develepment. I am all for feedback. That should be our That is my little comment to the issue... I'm sorry if I wasted your time. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:59:23 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: LogiWeb -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf, @@ -46519,16 +40450,10 @@ something interesting. When you have a chance, could you try to (briefly) summarize the talk? Or do you have a link to a more readable introduction? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:19:31 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Combinat Ralf, @@ -46542,17 +40467,11 @@ the point-set topology structures? I cannot tell. Perhaps an "overview of the theory" section might help. Something like: -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:23:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: A modest proposal - <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On 6/29/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > @@ -46608,17 +40527,11 @@ to these uncomfortable facts or risk the death of the Axiom project due to placing a barrier which no developer other than the one who originated the idea is willing to climb. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:27:12 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Combinat -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:27:12 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -46636,16 +40549,10 @@ Section 8.1, Definition 8.1. (in trunk) The wikipedia site is much better. -Martin - - - - \start -To: list Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:34:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: +To: list Subject: Fork time First, I would like to thank Wiliam Sit for starting this @@ -46689,23 +40596,12 @@ Let me shortly state my reasons: I value Axiom comunity, but feel that leaving current project is the best way to clarify situation. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:44:08 -0400 From: William Sit To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <46856108.D20DEE4C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: A modest proposal - - Tim Daly wrote: > > William, @@ -46720,17 +40616,10 @@ A bit of sarcasm was exactly what's needed to bring the issues out! But be careful when you next use it. Apology (not needed) accepted. Thanks for your kind comment above. -William - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:11:30 -0400 From: William Sit To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <46856772.84C52605@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: A modest proposal Tim Daly wrote: @@ -46762,25 +40651,18 @@ printed copies of articles in a pile, say for use in a course, but may make an individual copy for anyone who asks). -William - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: A modest proposal - <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 29 Jun 2007 16:45:08 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: A modest proposal Hi Bill, I share some of the concerns about literate programming, but I'd like to spell out some of my thoughts. -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > I agree with both Ralf and William Sit on this issue. Like Ralf, I > think that I am a strong supporter of the *concept* of literate > programming, but that the experiment in literate programming as @@ -46879,20 +40761,10 @@ resistance and criticism. If you believe in the goals, if you believe in the axioms, the philosophys, stand by them and press on. - -Sincerley, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:28:00 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list, - aldor-combinat-devel Subject: Re: Combinat > The MuPad-Combinat link is broken. @@ -46936,14 +40808,9 @@ I'll do some restructuring this summer. I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_species is much better. -Thank you -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:36:21 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: Tuples @@ -46955,16 +40822,10 @@ DirectProduct(L: List Group) or DirectProduct(L: Tuple Group)? That is, one has to manually iterate DirectProduct(G1,G2) if one wants a direct product of more than two groups? -thanks for your consideration -Franz - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: William Sit, Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Paper usage policy (for authors) --- William Sit wrote: @@ -47038,23 +40899,11 @@ to be an enabler for new types of mathematical research and and new levels of rigor and speed. That's worth doing right, even if we have to spend the time to make the infrastructure to make it possible first. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: A modest proposal -To: Stephen Wilson, - Bill Page -Cc: list +To: Stephen Wilson, Bill Page --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -47151,26 +41000,11 @@ in 30 years because someone can't understand what it is doing. (If there's a better algorithm out there then of course that's different, but the rewrite would have been needed in that case regardless.) -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -http://sims.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:28:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: A modest proposal - <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> - <87sl8a8p7v.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list >> It is clear that developers do not want to be reading their >> source code from a dvi viewer, two steps removed from the problem on @@ -47230,17 +41064,11 @@ developers that might be important (even the bad and stupid code) so they safe time in not trying again the wrong route. Or they see that I falsely classified something as the wrong route. I'm not perfect. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:33:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: A modest proposal - <547989.41772.qm@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list On 6/29/07, C Y wrote: > --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -47276,20 +41104,11 @@ extending asdf to understand pamphlet format will be anything but a similar diversion. The result of all this effort is just to build a bigger ghetto in which Axiom will eventually die... :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 29 Jun 2007 18:48:09 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: A modest proposal - <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> - - <87sl8a8p7v.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46858795.9020607@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 29 Jun 2007 18:48:09 -0400 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -47329,19 +41148,12 @@ more which any one of us will encounter during or work. One thing is clear, at least to me: Literate programming does not get in the way given a little bit of imagination. -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:57:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Fork time - Waldek -- I read your message with high interest. I fully understand the @@ -47360,16 +41172,11 @@ because as a community we can build more than the project. someone on ths list once said "running code wins". Get past the current debate and move on *with* Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:00:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: Tuples -Cc: list On 06/29/2007 11:36 PM, Franz Lehner wrote: > Hello @@ -47414,20 +41221,13 @@ eventually turn into something I like. You have to wait a bit, though. Better listen at the aldor-combinat mailing list. I might forget to post something to axiom-dev. -Ralf - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: A modest proposal - <547989.41772.qm@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 29 Jun 2007 19:03:15 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: A modest proposal -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > I very strongly disagree. I do not think the AXIOM project should be > in the business of building literate programming tools. And I am > rather surprised that Stephen should think so since he is also against @@ -47462,19 +41262,11 @@ Not sure what to say about that. There are technical reasons why asdf is a reasonable direction to pursue. I have no idea what you mean by `ghetto'. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:08:44 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Fork time -Cc: list > I do believe there is a way out of this apparant dead end. Remember, > someone on ths list once said "running code wins". Get past the current @@ -47487,18 +41279,13 @@ improve the current situation. I also very much hope that we stay together as a community and even fight for a bigger one. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: re: A modest proposal -To: Bill Page -Cc: list ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > I very strongly disagree. I do not think the AXIOM project should be > in the business of building literate programming tools. And I am @@ -47571,24 +41358,11 @@ directions, rather than arguing further about it - I don't see anybody being convinced at this stage. Let's write some pamphlets! (or code, as the case may be.) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:25:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Fork time - <468590FC.7030504@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -47613,17 +41387,11 @@ Yes. I'll soon make my slides public. For me, Axiom is, among other things, a tool. It needs a *user* community. Otherwise, it will die in futil philosophical debates about the literate sex of angels. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Stephen Wilson, Bill Page Subject: re: A modest proposal -To: Stephen Wilson, - Bill Page -Cc: list --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -47670,26 +41438,12 @@ the underlying tools. If they MUST work with them, I would like them to be literate all the way down - no dark corners to get into trouble with. But that's again just me. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:06:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: LogiWeb - -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - axiom-dev , grue@diku.dk +Cc: Christian Aistleitner, Klaus Grue >> http://logiweb.eu/ @@ -47741,14 +41495,11 @@ have the suspicion that a pamphlet could be seen as a logiweb paper if our underlying programming language were pure lambda calculus. But we want to use some higher level language like Aldor/SPAD. - - \start +Date: 29 Jun 2007 20:13:40 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: A modest proposal -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 29 Jun 2007 20:13:40 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -47785,19 +41536,11 @@ with that perspective. Your certainly not alone :) - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Fork time -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:37:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Fork time Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -47817,18 +41560,12 @@ situation. Otherwise inside we risk quarrels that make cooperation difficult and from outside project looks unfocused, which limits comunity growth. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:56:51 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Fork time -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:56:51 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch writes: > It was not a light decision. But I feel that comunity needs clear @@ -47849,22 +41586,12 @@ share knowledge and understanding. Good luck and thanks for all your past and future work! I believe any incarnation of Axiom will benefit greatly from your efforts. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 29 Jun 2007 23:47:38 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <878xa34uci.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nv2x1f.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 29 Jun 2007 23:47:38 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings, and thanks so much! Believe this is fixed now. @@ -48057,32 +41784,10 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > ac: c3 ret > NIL > -> -> Thanks, -> Steve -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:08:57 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Combinat Ralf, @@ -48095,17 +41800,11 @@ combinations on sets? Would it be a set of pointers? So a species is a "builder function" that would build a given data structure, like a linked list, from a set of pointers? -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:52:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: A modest proposal - <87ejju8fkb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list > ... > C Y writes: @@ -48171,17 +41870,11 @@ doing the things that you and Stephen are proposing. That's what I like about the web! ;-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:35:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Fork time -Cc: list Waldek, @@ -48245,23 +41938,15 @@ If you are serious, then this a a bold step and I thank you again for your continuing contributions to this work - by what ever name you wish to call it. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: A modest proposal - <87ejju8fkb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 30 Jun 2007 02:26:04 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: A modest proposal Hello Bill, -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > ... > > C Y writes: > > > If I understand correctly from previous posts, in this context "ghetto" @@ -48386,22 +42071,11 @@ like to see realized. > > That's what I like about the web! ;-) -Indeed! - - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:21:55 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: A modest proposal - <87lke26jr7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list BTW, has someone though about where we were now if NAG had given Axiom (including a autoconf build environment) to Tim? @@ -48419,19 +42093,11 @@ restrictive which patches go into Axiom. Then it is time to really "force" people to submit LP patches. But now we should make Axiom attractive!!! -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 30 Jun 2007 04:10:51 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: A modest proposal - <87ejju8fkb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87lke26jr7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46860493.7040309@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 Jun 2007 04:10:51 -0400 -Cc: list Hi Ralph, @@ -48472,19 +42138,10 @@ dont think there is a fast path to an amicable result. I have enough people telling me that they want something done yesterday. Axiom, I hope, is an oasis from such expectations. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:25:08 -0400 From: William Sit To: Waldek Hebisch -Message-id: <46861364.AD65F2B8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: Re: Fork time Dear Waldek: @@ -48545,18 +42202,11 @@ said, "move on *with* Axiom." Please reconsider and continue your good work. -William - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:21:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Stephen Wilson, - axiom-dev +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: A modest proposal - <46860493.7040309@hemmecke.de> <87fy497th0.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: >> I wait for Gaby to submit a patch. I think that will be the better >> road than simply switch to wh-sandbox and make some people angry. @@ -48617,15 +42267,10 @@ Of course there is no real time pressure. I press, because I want to see a well documented, well running Axiom during my lifetime. Only that presses to ask for more developers. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:41:56 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Tim Daly, axiom-dev -Cc: +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Combinat > I've been studying your combinatorial species project. @@ -48676,21 +42321,11 @@ B(L: LabelType): CombinatorialSpecies L == (1+X*B*B)(L) add {...} and the same "for" loop above with structures$B gives you all binary rooted trees with exactly 4 nodes. -Hope that helps. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 30 Jun 2007 06:33:05 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: A modest proposal - <87ejju8fkb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87lke26jr7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46860493.7040309@hemmecke.de> - <87fy497th0.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <468620A3.1080905@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 Jun 2007 06:33:05 -0400 -Cc: axiom-dev Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -48807,24 +42442,11 @@ ideas always survive. I share the same perspective. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:34:35 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation) To: Ralf Hemmecke -Message-id: <468631BB.B8DEC676@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list - - +Subject: re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation) Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > [sniped] @@ -48978,20 +42600,11 @@ that is the standard) as undergraduate or master theses. Doctoral students can develop better models, new and newer algorithms for Axiom's foundation and implement them. -William - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Stephen Wilson Subject: re: A modest proposal -To: Bill Page , - Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - - ---- Bill Page wrote: > Thanks for carrying my side of the conversation for me, Cliff. :-) @@ -49124,29 +42737,11 @@ the way down" with literate programming comes into play. Anyway. We'll see - it's an experiment. All we can do is give it a try. -Cheers, -CY - - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:46:17 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: William Sit Subject: re: A modest proposal (PLEQN documentation) - <46847039.B1459AA7@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <4684D9D3.8000000@hemmecke.de> - <468631BB.B8DEC676@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: list >> The important thing is that the information is there. I am not so sure >> that we already have a good format of how a pamphlet should look like. @@ -49206,16 +42801,11 @@ categorial setting, I would be over grateful. I support that view very much. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Fork time To: William Sit, Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +Subject: re: Fork time I think one way to look at this fork (which as I think someone observed is already in some ways a de-facto fork) is as a proving ground for @@ -49276,25 +42866,11 @@ don't become too incompatible on the Algebra level, I don't think a fragmentation needs to occur. Waldek's fork can be to Axiom like Ubuntu is to Debian. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -TV dinner still cooling? -Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:12:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Bertfried Fauser To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: Combinat -Cc: axiom-dev On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -49365,33 +42941,12 @@ BF. > > and the same "for" loop above with structures$B gives you all binary > rooted trees with exactly 4 nodes. -> -> Hope that helps. -> Ralf -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - -% PD Dr Bertfried Fauser -% Institution: Max Planck Institute for Math, Leipzig -% Privat Docent: University of Konstanz, Phys Dept -% contact|->URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser/ -% Phone : Leipzig +49 341 9959 735 Konstanz +49 7531 693491 - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:03:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Bertfried Fauser Subject: re: Combinat - -Cc: axiom-dev Bertfied, @@ -49425,18 +42980,11 @@ http://www.informatics.bangor.ac.uk/public/math/research/preprints/95/algtop95.h I think that is very interesting. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:12:03 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Fork time - <718547.20388.qm@web56713.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list On 6/30/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: @@ -49448,37 +42996,24 @@ Hopefully, Waldek's is not too discouraged, and like William suggested, he just forget about the comments that provoked this and continue the great work he has been doing. Better days ahead... -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:42:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Axiom and ANSI Lisp -- SBCL - -Waldek -- - In a local tree, I've added a warpper to compile-file so that it aborst build when the tertiary return value of compile-file (failure-p) is true. I consider that a minimum trust for sane build of Axiom -- which means neither silver nor build-improvements is sane with respect to that notion. When I do that I see lots of failures. Did you try that? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:42:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Combinat - - -Cc: axiom-dev , Bertfried Fauser +Cc: Bertfried Fauser >> if we are here dealing already with a sort of pointers (or function >> arrays) is there already in Aldor/Axiom a 'functor' domain? @@ -49557,24 +43092,12 @@ implemented on a computer. To me that sounds much more complicated than the symmetric function business. Actually, categories are so simple as algebraic structures. But that is not everything. -Ralf - - - - \start +Date: 30 Jun 2007 18:06:49 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <878xa34uci.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nv2x1f.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <5464569k85.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 Jun 2007 18:06:49 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis, - gcl-devel@gnu.org - -Hello Camm, +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis A new problem now, unfortunately, unseen before latest commit. @@ -49763,21 +43286,12 @@ Disassembly of section .text: NIL -Thanks again, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:02:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Fix thinko in src/interp/vmlisp.lisp - -Hi, - This thinko while caugh while building build-improvements with SBCL. The error is that the value of abs(N) should not be part of the arguments to error() and should be computed separately. @@ -49823,14 +43337,11 @@ Will apply silver SF/SVN shortly. (defun MACERR (MESSAGE &rest ignore) (declare (ignore ignore)) - - \start +Date: 30 Jun 2007 19:54:19 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Fix thinko in src/interp/vmlisp.lisp -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 Jun 2007 19:54:19 -0400 -Cc: list Hi Gaby, @@ -49849,13 +43360,6 @@ Note also your version still (I think) as a problem when N is negative, as it will fall through the CASE and wind up printing -N, which I dont think we want. -Comments? - -Thanks, -Steve - - - Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > Hi, @@ -49904,23 +43408,13 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > > (defun MACERR (MESSAGE &rest ignore) > (declare (ignore ignore)) -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: Re: Fix thinko in src/interp/vmlisp.lisp - <8764555784.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 30 Jun 2007 20:15:14 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list +Subject: Re: Fix thinko in src/interp/vmlisp.lisp +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Gaby, diff --git a/book/2007-07.txt b/book/2007-07.txt index 3c8aaf3..3fec799 100644 --- a/book/2007-07.txt +++ b/book/2007-07.txt @@ -1,34 +1,19 @@ \start +Date: 01 Jul 2007 02:44:08 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <878xa34uci.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nv2x1f.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 01 Jul 2007 02:44:08 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings, and thanks for your very clear, lucid, concise and extremely helpful reports! Should be fixed now, a better fix hopefully in soon. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 01:55:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Fix thinko in src/interp/vmlisp.lisp - <8764555784.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <871wft5699.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -79,23 +64,17 @@ later when I have the right tools at dsiposal. (if (eq nargs 1) " argument," " arguments,"))))) - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 02:14:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: [silver] Remove executable property - I removed the executable property set on almost all files. Similar changes have been made long time ago on build-improvements. There is diff to look at. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:13:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -103,8 +82,6 @@ To: list Subject: Build machinery -- an overview -Hi, - This is a general overview of the build system. This message contains no code -- I'm discussing general view, ideas, ideals. @@ -146,19 +123,12 @@ type information for Lisp systems that care about proclamation. [1] http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/hugs-users/2006-January/000621.html --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 04:35:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Build machinery -- support for out of source build - -Hi, - This message contains no code. It is a head up. The current build machinery in silver does not support out of source @@ -177,21 +147,11 @@ is supposed to do. Notice that all the changes I propose are already implemented in build-improvements. -Comments? - --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Jul 2007 11:46:14 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -205,20 +165,12 @@ Then you will also get myself back into the boat. Greetings from China, -sad Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 04:56:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <9qwsxktq1l.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, - Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build +Cc: Waldek Hebisch On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -264,21 +216,13 @@ in first, then refine it. I hope to see all y'all back to Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 01 Jul 2007 09:05:56 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build -Hi Gaby, - Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > Hi, > @@ -310,19 +254,11 @@ dependency graph for make? I guess I would like a tad bit more info than saying the current scheme is bad. It tells me nothing about the benifits of your change. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 01 Jul 2007 09:12:55 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Build machinery -- an overview -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 01 Jul 2007 09:12:55 -0400 -Cc: list Hello Gaby, @@ -334,25 +270,15 @@ which version is used to build the format, esp when local macros are used. Is it at all worth standardizing on a specific autoconf version among developers? - Im leaving for another fishing trip in a few short hours. Hopefully when I return this time I'll actually feel a bit more relaxed. Wont be back online till the end of the week. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:50:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Build machinery -- an overview - <87r6ns4694.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -374,18 +300,11 @@ functionalities. This is a requirement on developers, not users. For a long time we have used Autoconf 2.59, which contained a bug, now fixed in 2.60. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:57:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -407,19 +326,11 @@ on windows. I believe people have ecncountered amny variations of the problems there. On balance, I see the current steup having more problems than benefits it gives us on daily basis. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 01 Jul 2007 10:34:32 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -457,24 +368,11 @@ property of int/ w.r.t re-make, as mentioned above. Many thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions! -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 09:37:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87lke042h3.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -499,21 +397,11 @@ hand-made changes -- they are not overwritten by the untangling machinery. Similarly the result of Boot -> Lisp translation has careful dependency so that hand-made tweaks are not overwritten. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87lke042h3.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 01 Jul 2007 10:45:54 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -542,21 +430,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: Precisely what I was hoping to hear! -Thanks again, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:07:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Gaby, @@ -596,18 +474,10 @@ style make files over the current build system in Axiom Gold and Silver. I am glad that you are finding the time to explain your rational for these changes. -Thanks. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:13:11 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: out of source builds I'm not sure why out of source builds are particularly important. But @@ -803,18 +673,10 @@ Axiom has been built for years and no-one has mentioned out of source builds before. If this is a real issue then the current system is designed to do it (modulo Makefile mistakes). -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:18:41 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: out of source builds That said, I believe the new build system is a useful change to @@ -876,20 +738,11 @@ What other design goals are there? How does the current system succeed or fail at achieving those goals? How does autoconf succeed or fail at achieving these goals? - -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:22:04 -0400 From: William Sit To: Cliff Yapp -Message-id: <46880CEC.1114404D@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list -Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? (was: Paper - usage policy (for authors)) +Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? (was: Paper usage policy (for authors)) C Y wrote (Re: Paper usage policy (for authors)): > @@ -1019,21 +872,11 @@ Note that the building of superhighways was historically demand-driven (national security, commerce, mobility, and lots of drivers). - -William - - - \start -Subject: RE: out of source builds Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:22:33 +0200 -Thread-Topic: out of source builds -Thread-Index: Ace8E9yj911nqJnrSeSz19KyCLbQywABj9Ag -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: Tim Daly, - - FILETIME=[8F229430:01C7BC1D] -Cc: +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Tim Daly +Subject: RE: out of source builds My 5 cents worth of advice: @@ -1044,7 +887,7 @@ does not follow best practice today. So we should be glad, that some people took the challenge to rebuild it according to methods (autoconf et al.) which are best practice today. We should move to the new build -system as soon as possible.=20 +system as soon as possible. Regards @@ -1052,88 +895,83 @@ Juergen Weiss P.S.: We should adopt best practice in other areas as well, namely the way source code control systems are used. Use one (SVN) in -a way, that the hassle of other contributors is not=20 +a way, that the hassle of other contributors is not maximized, but minimized. And we should certainly do EVERYTHING to keep developers like Gaby and Waldek. I value their contribution higher than all the LP stuff of the last 5 or so years. -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 - > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 +> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=uni-mainz.de@nongnu.org > On Behalf Of Tim Daly > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:13 PM > To: list > Subject: out of source builds ->=20 +> > I'm not sure why out of source builds are particularly important. But > there are two points to discuss. ->=20 -> The first point, mentioned in a prior email, is that there is a=20 +> +> The first point, mentioned in a prior email, is that there is a > general class of requirements: > (b) doing it because that's the way everybody does it > and this seems to be of that character. If there is a different -> need anyone can point to as a good argument why this is important? I=20 +> need anyone can point to as a good argument why this is important? I > understand the CD argument as I put Axiom on the ISSAC CDs. > However this is a rare situation for distributing any open source > software these days. I cannot remember getting sources for an open -> source project on CD.=20 ->=20 +> source project on CD. +> > (Caveat: I had to recreate the whole build subsystem from scratch > so some of these features are not fully tested but they are there > by design. In particular, the newly added literate facilities are > not correct yet (e.g. Makefiles are extracted to "src" instead of > "obj/sys", which is a bug that needs to be fixed)) ->=20 +> > The second point is about the claim that the current build system > cannot build "out of source". By design the "src" tree should never > be touched by Make so you should be able to mount the source read-only > and type Make. Any failures are a bug. ->=20 +> > The current build system IS designed to do out of source builds. To do > this you need to notice two things. First, the top level Makefile > contains the lines: -> SRC=3D${SPD}/src -> INT=3D${SPD}/int -> OBJ=3D${SPD}/obj -> MNT=3D${SPD}/mnt ->=20 +> SRC=${SPD}/src +> INT=${SPD}/int +> OBJ=${SPD}/obj +> MNT=${SPD}/mnt +> > Second, notice that all of the file manipulations in the Makefiles > are prefixed by paths built from these 4 variables. Thus, to do > out of source builds it should suffice to just change these: -> SRC=3D${SPD}/src -> INT=3D${MYHOME}/int -> OBJ=3D${MYHOME}/obj -> MNT=3D${MYHOME}/mnt ->=20 +> SRC=${SPD}/src +> INT=${MYHOME}/int +> OBJ=${MYHOME}/obj +> MNT=${MYHOME}/mnt +> > All other Makefiles create IN, MID, OUT, DOC, etc from these. For > example see src/interp/Makefile. At the top you'll see: -> IN=3D${SRC}/interp -> MID=3D${INT}/interp -> OUT=3D${OBJ}/${SYS}/interp -> DOC=3D${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/interp +> IN=${SRC}/interp +> MID=${INT}/interp +> OUT=${OBJ}/${SYS}/interp +> DOC=${MNT}/${SYS}/doc/src/interp > and the SYS variable is gotten from `basename $AXIOM` which is > a name to distinguish the type of target to build. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> There were other issues back in the scratchpad days. Since a build=20 +> +> +> +> +> +> +> There were other issues back in the scratchpad days. Since a build > could take weeks it was vital to architect the build system so the > (1) builds need to be done minimizing the re-work. -> (2) builds could be done in parallel, out of source,=20 +> (2) builds could be done in parallel, out of source, > multiple targets > (3) builds only built the request parts > The current build system is designed to do all three. ->=20 +> > MINIMIZE REWORK ->=20 +> > Requirement (1), that builds need to be done minimizing the re-work, > is accomplished by the "int" subdirectory. Because Axiom uses boot > there is a whole translation stage needed to extract the source code. @@ -1142,10 +980,10 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > only need ever be done once. Unless the boot code is changed there > is no reason to redo the work and waste the time, which is the point > of using Makefiles at all. ->=20 +> > The "int" directory represents an Axiom build that considerably > speeds up the build process. The "int" directory -> (1) caches the Boot->Lisp translation (removes the need for=20 +> (1) caches the Boot->Lisp translation (removes the need for > running bootsys, thus removing a whole build "pass".) > (2) caches the .fn files for code optimization (allows optimal > code to be generated on second compiles which improves the @@ -1158,22 +996,22 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > the need to run noweb at all) > (5) caches the latex aux files so latex need only run once rather > than twice for every file. (halfs latex time) ->=20 +> > In theory you could ship the "int" directory and do a complete build. -> With proper caching this could reduce the whole build time=20 +> With proper caching this could reduce the whole build time > considerably, > probably to less than half an hour. ->=20 +> > There has been much discussion about how long builds take and this is > a real concern. So careful attention to the system-independent cache > would create a huge savings of time, reducing single-file changes to > just a minute or so. ->=20 +> > Make needs to pay close attention to doing rework only if a source > file changes. Otherwise Make can use the cached information in "int" -> and reduce the build times by large factors (e.g. no algebra=20 +> and reduce the build times by large factors (e.g. no algebra > compiles). ->=20 +> > I doubt anyone notices this feature because they probably do > make clean > which destroys the cache. However Axiom is designed to do incremental @@ -1182,78 +1020,78 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > to do this and is designed to do this. Thus the issue about long > system builds should only happen on new systems. If you can't minimize > rework what is the point of using Makefiles? ->=20 +> > After the first time you should almost never need to rebuild Axiom > from scratch, at least by design of the current build system. We > rarely did in the scratchpad project because it took weeks. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> +> +> +> +> > PARALLEL BUILDS, OUT OF SOURCE, MULTIPLE TARGETS ->=20 +> > Requirement (2), that builds be done in parallel, was needed so that > multiple machines could work on the same source tree. Since Scratchpad > was build on wildly different architectures (Symbolics, IBM/RS6000, > IBM PC, SUN, VM/370) and wildly different lisps (Zetalisp, CMUCL, > AKCL, Golden Common Lisp, etc) there was a lot of build time involved. ->=20 +> > The solution to this problem was the "obj" directory and NFS. By > design, if you do a build on any one system you will do 2 things: > (1) you will cache all the rework into the "int" directory > (2) you will create a new directory (e.g. obj/SUN, obj/RIOS) > for that particular target system. ->=20 +> > Once you have a valid system build life is good. All you have to > do on a new target system, e.g. PC386, is: -> make a new directory,=20 +> make a new directory, > mkdir AX > use NFS to network mount the old src and int directories readonly > mount -readonly NFS:/home/daly/AX/src AX/src > mount -readonly NFS:/home/daly/AX/int AX/int > set the AXIOM variable -> export AXIOM=3DAX/mnt/PC386 +> export AXIOM=AX/mnt/PC386 > and run make > make ->=20 +> > Since the build system knows about int and the int files are newer > than src the build on the new system, PC386, only needs to compile -> the lisp files for the interpreter and algebra. It only needs to=20 +> the lisp files for the interpreter and algebra. It only needs to > compile the C files for graphics and hyperdoc. All of this work went > into the "obj/sys" directories. If the master source changed all you > had to do on the other systems was simple rebuilds. ->=20 +> > This would be very useful if and when we have a compile-farm setup > with many different target architectures and different lisp systems. > All you need to do is a network mount and everybody builds from the > same src/int tree. ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> +> +> +> +> > BUILD ONLY REQUESTED PARTS ->=20 +> > The requirement (3) build only the request parts is partially > re-implemented but not fully. Look at the top level Makefile for > the lines: -> PART=3D cprogs -> SUBPART=3D everything ->=20 +> PART= cprogs +> SUBPART= everything +> > This information is passed in the ENV variable. Using this the > lower level Makefiles can skip whole subdirectories. You used to > be able to specify that you only wanted to build hyperdoc with: -> make PART=3Dhyperdoc +> make PART=hyperdoc > and you could specify subparts, e.g. the hyperdoc pages -> make PART=3Dhyperdoc SUBPART=3Dpages ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 +> make PART=hyperdoc SUBPART=pages +> +> +> +> +> +> > When I recreated the build system (post NAG) I was not exceptionally > careful to ensure that the "int" directory and "obj" directories > where especially "pure" but that is a trivial fix. It only requires @@ -1261,30 +1099,15 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > This is maybe a day's worth of work. Recovering the "PART" ability > is also reasonably simple since it only requires checks in Makefiles > before calling Make on subdirectories. ->=20 +> > Axiom has been built for years and no-one has mentioned out of source > builds before. If this is a real issue then the current system is > designed to do it (modulo Makefile mistakes). ->=20 -> Tim ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:43:53 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? There is a constant drumbeat to expand the number of developers. @@ -1299,16 +1122,11 @@ ISBN 0-596-00802-3, pXXVIII): that open source development projects seldom have more than 10 active developers. -Tim - - - \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit -Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? -To: Tim Daly,list Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:10:31 -0400 -Cc: +From: William Sit +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? My emphasis was to have more *USERS* and the question is why many former users abandoned Axiom and did not return. @@ -1319,10 +1137,6 @@ build-developers or system-developers: people who contribute to make, lisp, boot, user-interface, compilers, interpreters, packaging, etc.). - - -William - On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:43:53 -0500 Tim Daly wrote: >There is a constant drumbeat to expand the number of @@ -1330,42 +1144,18 @@ On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:43:53 -0500 >To quote Chris DiDona, Danese Cooper, and Mark Stone >(Open Sources 2.0 >ISBN 0-596-00802-3, pXXVIII): -> -> Brooks' Law appears to set a fundamental limit on the ->optimal -> size of programming teams -- and a rather small limit ->at that. -> Empirical evidence supports Brooks's Law. For example, ->since -> its inception SourceForge.net has maintained very ->close to a -> 10:1 ratio of registered users to registered projects, ->suggesting -> that open source development projects seldom have more ->than -> 10 active developers. -> ->Tim -> -> ->_______________________________________________ ->Axiom-developer mailing list ->list ->http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - -William Sit, -Professor of Mathematics, City College of New York - -Office: R6/202C Tel: 212-650-5179, Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - + +> Brooks' Law appears to set a fundamental limit on the optimal size +>of programming teams -- and a rather small limit at that. Empirical +>evidence supports Brooks's Law. For example, since its inception +>SourceForge.net has maintained very close to a 10:1 ratio of +>registered users to registered projects, suggesting that open source +>development projects seldom have more than 10 active developers. \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:24:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? Scratchpad was a research project, not a commercial project. @@ -1427,20 +1217,11 @@ short term mindset Lou would rather have built it overnight as a prefab wooden house in a suburb using conventional tools and selling for a nice markup. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:29:13 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <46881CA9.B1F75899@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -1463,15 +1244,10 @@ many (say 10) subprojects, Brooks' law may apply to subprojects. Are you advocating one developer per subproject is sufficient? -William - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:03:13 -0500 -To: "Juergen Weiss" Juergen Weiss -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: out of source builds > We should adopt best practice in other areas as well, namely @@ -1490,18 +1266,10 @@ SVN. However, SVN works (mostly) and we did decide to use it. This is all religion the debate will never end. We use what works and try to accommodate others. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:12:11 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? > My emphasis was to have more *USERS* ... @@ -1519,18 +1287,10 @@ of "for dummy"-level books available and many that have the classroom as a target. Documentation at all levels is the only way I believe that Axiom can live. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:22:06 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? > Brooks' law may limit the number of developers, but it did @@ -1553,22 +1313,11 @@ However, to further quote the same source: We could easily have developers working on algebra (e.g. Martin) who do not interfere with developers working on LP (e.g. Cliff). -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:28:55 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: Tim Daly, list +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? - boundary="----=_Part_32503_19822309.1183328935168" -Cc: - -------=_Part_32503_19822309.1183328935168 Although I am a beginner myself, I agree that documentation is vital, as well as classroom presence. I intend to trial Axiom in the current semester @@ -1589,10 +1338,6 @@ http://www.course.com/catalog/product.cfm?isbn=978-0-534-40011-8&CFID=33031138&C and if a book project did get underway, I would be be happy to be involved. Would O'Reilly, or Springer, be interested, do you think? -cheers, -Alasdair - - On 7/2/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > > > My emphasis was to have more *USERS* ... @@ -1609,41 +1354,11 @@ On 7/2/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > of "for dummy"-level books available and many that have the classroom > as a target. Documentation at all levels is the only way I believe > that Axiom can live. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - -------=_Part_32503_19822309.1183328935168 - -Although I am a beginner myself, I agree that documentation is vital, as well as classroom presence.  I intend to trial Axiom in the current semester with a cryptography class, but I feel that at the moment Axiom is severely hampered by lacking a native windows version - with full documentation (HyperDoc or equivalent) and graphics - and the classy sort of interface common to Maple,Mathematica, and MuPAD.  TeXmacs is only a stop-gap measure towards this end, I think.  (I use Axiom in Emacs under linux, using Martin's -axiom.el.)

I think that an introduction to Axiom in book form would be very welcome.  It would have two consequences: it would advertise Axiom, and it would show Axiom to be serious and useful software, rather than just a hobby for a few developers.  I have had a little experience in book writing: -

http://www.course.com/catalog/product.cfm?isbn=978-0-534-40011-8&CFID=33031138&CFTOKEN=54332257 -

and if a book project did get underway, I would be be happy to be involved.  Would O'Reilly, or Springer, be interested, do you think?

cheers,
Alasdair


On 7/2/07, -Tim Daly <Tim Daly> wrote:
-> My emphasis was to have more *USERS* ...

Axiom has an astonishing number of downloads, given its advertising
budget. And it never ceases to amaze me how many people seem to know
about it. I was recognized in a random bookstore in philadelphia by -
two japanese people who use Axiom. I was astonished, to say the least.
I know of no way to measure the number of users.

If we get code/documentation then I'd call them developers.

However, good documentation is clearly vital. Mathematica has dozens -
of "for dummy"-level books available and many that have the classroom
as a target. Documentation at all levels is the only way I believe
that Axiom can live.

Tim





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- -------=_Part_32503_19822309.1183328935168-- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:24:03 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? > Although I am a beginner myself, I agree that documentation is vital, @@ -1663,19 +1378,10 @@ the details is queued behind the current test cycle. A wxAxiom would give us a completely portable front end that had a look and feel similar to Maxima. - -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:32:19 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? > I think that an introduction to Axiom in book form would be very @@ -1699,17 +1405,11 @@ are available in src/doc/bookvol1.pamphlet and the original image in src/doc/bookvol1.pdf. I'd also be willing to mail you a paper copy if you'll send a mailing address. -Tim - - - \start -To: Constantine Frangos, axiom-devel -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Jul 2007 02:40:38 +0200 -Cc: -Subject: Re: Axiom: Installation on suse 9.1, - 32 bit and suse 10.1, 64 bit. +From: Martin Rubey +To: Constantine Frangos +Subject: Re: Axiom: Installation on suse 9.1, 32 bit and suse 10.1, 64 bit. C. Frangos Constantine Frangos writes: @@ -1736,23 +1436,11 @@ http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomCommunity (click on, for example "axiom-math", or "axiom-developer" to obtain instructions) -good luck, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:41:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - - +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Tim -- @@ -1836,20 +1524,11 @@ Obviously build-improvements does support selective builds. The key is in knowing to use the tool we have: Make. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:07:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - -Cc: list +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Tim -- @@ -1862,21 +1541,11 @@ we don't already have. Minimal rework is done differently -- setting up proper dependencies. That also has the by-product of the clarifying the structure of the components. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 01:09:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build - <87ved446kr.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - - -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build On 7/1/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -1930,24 +1599,15 @@ You are certainly right that these changes drastically alter the nature of the dependencies among the modules in the Axiom algebra library. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:17:42 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Build machinery -- support for out of source build Clearly you don't see that a compromise is worth attempting. That's fine. It was just a suggestion. - - - > The argument that 'by design the "src" tree should never be > touched by Make so you should be able to mount the source read-only > and type Make' is inherently bogus. "src", "obj" and friends @@ -2032,48 +1692,25 @@ the current build system has features which most people do not understand. We can recreate these features in the new build system after the diff-Naur merge completes if we find them useful. - -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:44:18 +0200 -Thread-Topic: out of source builds -Thread-Index: Ace8K5sBjmnm13ENQ4yjBab8KYpgYAAT9r8g -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: Tim Daly - FILETIME=[CCC90080:01C7BC7C] -Cc: list Subject: RE: out of source builds Sorry for not being clear enough. I meant using ONE source code control system is best practice - not half a dozen. Which one you choose is a matter of taste and convenience - not one of best practice. And I think convenience (current -hosting) suggests using SVN. Besides I do not see any major=20 +hosting) suggests using SVN. Besides I do not see any major deficiency, which would impede our work more than using several systems. -Regards - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 - > -----Original Message----- -> From: Tim Daly [mailto:Tim Daly]=20 -> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:03 AM -> To: Weiss, Juergen -> Cc: Tim Daly; list -> Subject: out of source builds ->=20 +> > > We should adopt best practice in other areas as well, namely > > the way source code control systems are used. Use one (SVN)... ->=20 +> > Did you listen to that video talk by Linus Torvalds about Git? Did > you follow the linux mailing list debate about the relative merits of > Bitkeeper vs other systems? Have you looked at mercurial? I would be @@ -2083,24 +1720,15 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > Indeed, GNU's Savannah server, which hosts Axiom, is the largest > repository of free software. It supports Arch, Git, and CVS but not > SVN. However, SVN works (mostly) and we did decide to use it. ->=20 +> > This is all religion the debate will never end. We use what works > and try to accommodate others. ->=20 -> Tim ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 04:55:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2258,15 +1886,10 @@ construct does the job, and better. Instead of saying tha people don't understand them, it might be accurate to say that people understand the ideas but disagree with the implementation. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:53:53 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Build machinery -- support for out of source build > You are wrong. A dependency tracking system needs to be part of the @@ -2303,18 +1926,11 @@ determine the compromises between what Make needs and what lisp needs. Getting this right is important and requires a lot of testing. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:44:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list -Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source - build +Subject: Re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2411,17 +2027,10 @@ opportunity to correct that path. Similarly, I hope we do not lose Waldek's rework of the algebra bootstrap. We should get it and improve it. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: list -From: Simon Michael Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:29:35 -0700 - - <46817043.6090100@joyful.com> - +From: Simon Michael +To: list Subject: Re: axiom wiki spam Bill Page wrote: @@ -2429,16 +2038,11 @@ Bill Page wrote: Monday: consider this one hound. :) It's every other day now, I think something must be done. Chat me for help. - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:51:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" William Sit +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? - -Cc: list On 7/1/07, William Sit wrote: > My emphasis was to have more *USERS* and the question is @@ -2494,18 +2098,11 @@ way forward. Maybe dynamically types scripting languages like Python (such as used by Sage), show a way to develop a user accessible interpreter. But unfortunately for Axiom, it might be too late. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:13:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? - -Cc: list > I could be that as an experiment, the failure of Axiom as a viable > computer algebra system shows that there is something wrong with the @@ -2540,18 +2137,11 @@ things like "+", "*", "diff", "int", etc. That can be done as in Maple. The biggest problem is to connect the typeless and the typed worlds. That I consider as a research project. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:34:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list -Subject: re: Build machinery -- support for out of - source build - - <46893058.9070205@hemmecke.de> +Subject: re: Build machinery -- support for out of source build On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -2569,15 +2159,10 @@ get Axiom produce standalone executable than untangle the whole mess :-) Your point is well taken. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:14:18 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: SVN failure Ok, I need help here. @@ -2607,16 +2192,11 @@ Update also did not see any changes. So (a) what went wrong and (b) how do I fix it. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:03:38 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN failure -Cc: list http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#wc-out-of-date @@ -2647,23 +2227,11 @@ On 7/2/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > Update also did not see any changes. > > So (a) what went wrong and (b) how do I fix it. -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:23:58 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: list Subject: SVN failure Well, the only solution I see at that site you recommended is to run @@ -2679,16 +2247,11 @@ making changes. I did nothing clever. Just update, mv, rm, and commit. Source code contol systems should never lose work. Never. What a waste. -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:18:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN failure -Cc: list On 07/03/2007 04:14 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > Ok, I need help here. @@ -2699,15 +2262,10 @@ On 07/03/2007 04:14 AM, Tim Daly wrote: In the root directory of your tree? Did the update succeed? What did it tell you? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 03:15:42 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: SVN failure Hi Tim, @@ -2720,10 +2278,6 @@ modified files. Sorry again, maybe somebody in the list has an explanation to what happened. -Regards, - -Alfredo - On 7/3/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > Well, the only solution I see at that site you recommended is to run > svn update @@ -2737,19 +2291,12 @@ On 7/3/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > > Source code contol systems should never lose work. Never. > What a waste. -> -> Tim -> - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:56:07 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: SVN failure - -Cc: list > On 7/3/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: >> Well, the only solution I see at that site you recommended is to run @@ -2769,19 +2316,11 @@ Tim, next time before you do anything with svn, could you try to log your session. Maybe someone can then better guess what the error is. Do you happen to have a log for your last SVN attempt? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:45:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Klaus Ebbe Grue +To: Klaus Grue Subject: Re: LogiWeb - - <46859E81.80103@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Klaus, @@ -2904,16 +2443,10 @@ http://www.aldor.org/mediawiki/index.php/User_Guides_for_Compiler_and_Libraries Thank you for your mail. I very much hope that this will become a fruitful cooperation. -Best regards -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 03:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: William Sit -Cc: list Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? @@ -3087,29 +2620,12 @@ practicality of the superhighway, we may begin to get a lot more people interested. (Hence the need for good tools - e.g. a car that performs better than a horse.) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:19:41 +0200 (CEST) -From: Klaus Ebbe Grue +From: Klaus Grue To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: LogiWeb - - <46859E81.80103@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, - axiom-dev - -Hi Ralf, +Cc: Christian Aistleitner >>> http://logiweb.eu/ > @@ -3249,19 +2765,10 @@ it and see if it would be easy to support. Programming languages can always be supported the 'poor mans way' of course, having the compiler for the language as an external tool. -Cheers, -Klaus - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87tzu2x47u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <547iqyz5ws.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 03 Jul 2007 15:36:41 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: directory/truename transition Greetings! @@ -3380,29 +2887,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | COMPILER>>(directory "/tmp/*") > | > | (#P"/tmp/#gazonk_27762_21.c#" #P"/tmp/#ii#" #P"/tmp/#q.h#") -> | ============================================================================= -> -> This will be helpful. -> -> Many thanks. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:41:38 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list Subject: directory/truename transition Camm, @@ -3410,15 +2899,10 @@ Camm, All versions of Axiom have a local copy of GCL cached so it should be fine to do the transition. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:43:49 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Camm, @@ -3428,56 +2912,31 @@ Sorry, sent this to enhanced.com, which bounces. All versions of Axiom have a local copy of GCL cached so it should be fine to do the transition. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:46:47 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Camm, Is therea conditional flag #+(and :GCL :xxx) we can use? -Tim - - - \start -To: Richard Harke,gcl-devel@gnu.org,list -Subject: Re: Axiom ia64 - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:51:48 -0400 -Cc: +From: Camm Maguire +To: Richard Harke +Subject: Re: Axiom ia64 Greetings! Just wondering if you've made any headway on native object relocation for axiom on this platform. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -Subject: Re: directory/truename transition -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Camm Maguire - <87tzu2x47u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <547iqyz5ws.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <543b05e0ty.fsf_-_@intech19.enhanced.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:55:31 +0200 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hello, @@ -3493,28 +2952,28 @@ Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 =E0 15:36 -0400, Camm Maguire a =E9crit : > `-__|__-' 8 8 8 8 8 > | 8 o 8 8 o 8 8 > ------+------ ooooo 8oooooo ooo8ooo ooooo 8 ->=20 +> > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993 > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997 > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998 > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000 > Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006 ->=20 +> > [1]> (truename "AHYP.erlib") ->=20 +> > *** - TRUENAME: "/fix/t1/camm/wh-sandbox/src/algebra/AHYP.erlib" names = a > directory, not a file > The following restarts are available: > ABORT :R1 ABORT -> Break 1 [2]>=20 ->=20 +> Break 1 [2]> +> > Take care, -Yes, but=20 +Yes, but -clisp=20 +clisp i i i i i i i ooooo o ooooooo ooooo ooooo I I I I I I I 8 8 8 8 8 o 8 8 I \ `+' / I 8 8 8 8 8 8 @@ -3534,24 +2993,17 @@ Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006 *** - TRUENAME: "/home/greg/Axiom" names a directory, not a file The following restarts are available: ABORT :R1 ABORT -Break 1 [2]>=20 +Break 1 [2]> [3]> (truename "Axiom/") #P"/home/greg/Axiom/" (just in case) -Greg - - - - - \start +Date: 03 Jul 2007 16:01:27 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: A modest proposal -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 03 Jul 2007 16:01:27 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -3573,47 +3025,23 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > As noted, Camm both did the prior port and sponsored Axiom. > If we can do the port I believe he can be asked to sponsor it. -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: Re: directory/truename transition - <87tzu2x47u.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <547iqyz5ws.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <543b05e0ty.fsf_-_@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183492531.4140.6.camel@ellipse> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 03 Jul 2007 16:04:23 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: Re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! Yes, and thanks! (hopefully this is just a one line patch to the axiom sources -somewhere. Would be great to finish the test build with 2.7.0 ...)=20 +somewhere. Would be great to finish the test build with 2.7.0 ...) -GCL_ANSI=3Dt gclcvs +GCL_ANSI=t gclcvs GCL (GNU Common Lisp) 2.7.0 ANSI Jul 2 2007 22:02:18 Source License: LGPL(gcl,gmp,pargcl), GPL(unexec,bfd,xgcl) Binary License: GPL due to GPL'ed components: (XGCL READLINE BFD UNEXEC) @@ -3630,14 +3058,14 @@ Temporary directory for compiler files set to /tmp/ > -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hello, ->=20 +> > Le mardi 03 juillet 2007 =E0 15:36 -0400, Camm Maguire a =E9crit : ->=20 +> > [...] ->=20 +> > > clisp > > i i i i i i i ooooo o ooooooo ooooo ooooo > > I I I I I I I 8 8 8 8 8 o 8 8 @@ -3646,27 +3074,27 @@ Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > `-__|__-' 8 8 8 8 8 > > | 8 o 8 8 o 8 8 > > ------+------ ooooo 8oooooo ooo8ooo ooooo 8 -> >=20 +> > > > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993 > > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997 > > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998 > > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000 > > Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006 -> >=20 +> > > > [1]> (truename "AHYP.erlib") -> >=20 +> > > > *** - TRUENAME: "/fix/t1/camm/wh-sandbox/src/algebra/AHYP.erlib" names a > > directory, not a file > > The following restarts are available: > > ABORT :R1 ABORT -> > Break 1 [2]>=20 -> >=20 +> > Break 1 [2]> +> > > > Take care, ->=20 -> Yes, but=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> clisp=20 +> +> Yes, but +> +> +> clisp > i i i i i i i ooooo o ooooooo ooooo ooooo > I I I I I I I 8 8 8 8 8 o 8 8 > I \ `+' / I 8 8 8 8 8 8 @@ -3674,53 +3102,29 @@ Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: > `-__|__-' 8 8 8 8 8 > | 8 o 8 8 o 8 8 > ------+------ ooooo 8oooooo ooo8ooo ooooo 8 ->=20 +> > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993 > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997 > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Pierpaolo Bernardi, Sam Steingold 1998 > Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Sam Steingold 1999-2000 > Copyright (c) Sam Steingold, Bruno Haible 2001-2006 ->=20 +> > [1]> (truename "Axiom") ->=20 +> > *** - TRUENAME: "/home/greg/Axiom" names a directory, not a file > The following restarts are available: > ABORT :R1 ABORT -> Break 1 [2]>=20 +> Break 1 [2]> > [3]> (truename "Axiom/") > #P"/home/greg/Axiom/" ->=20 +> > (just in case) ->=20 -> Greg ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 ->=20 ->=20 - ---=20 -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:27:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: A modest proposal - <5464512r54.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list On 03 Jul 2007 16:01:27 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > @@ -3745,18 +3149,11 @@ I think the presence of an up to date version of Axiom on the Debian platforms would be a very good thing. The wh-sandbox branch has many critical fixes to both the algebra and to hyperdoc. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:15:52 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: A modest proposal - <5464512r54.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list > Of course, it could be argued that portability to all these machines > is not all that important, in which case we can configure the package @@ -3765,22 +3162,15 @@ Cc: list I am just curious - isn't it a problem for Debian build servers, that the package builts for 12 hours or even more? -Ondrej - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: A modest proposal - <5464512r54.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <85b5c3130707031415v3999a8ffp8a84296f6d65c1b3@mail.gmail.com> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 03 Jul 2007 17:41:28 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: A modest proposal Greetings! -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: > > Of course, it could be argued that portability to all these machines > > is not all that important, in which case we can configure the package @@ -3818,26 +3208,12 @@ thus. Ideally, we can define a wrapper function and relocate to that, but this procedure has been problematic with mcount (for example) on s390 and ppc. (just a taste ... :-) -Take care, - -> Ondrej -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 04:12:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis > Greetings! > @@ -3904,19 +3280,12 @@ find all files matching pattern "*.NRLIB/index.KAF" recursively copy directory with content (currently invokes the 'cp' program) copy file (likewise) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 03 Jul 2007 23:25:17 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! @@ -4017,30 +3386,12 @@ but I think it likely that this will even work on mingw. Thanks for this list. Will get these in. -Take care, - -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:44:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: directory/truename transition - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 03 Jul 2007 23:25:17 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > ... @@ -4097,36 +3448,21 @@ a particular shell that is not native to Windows. For similar reasons I also would not recommend trying to utilize the Windows non-posix command interpreter for this purpose. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:59:37 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: GCL/Windows Camm, Do you know if GCL compile under tcc? -Tim - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:49:44 +0200 (CEST) -From: Klaus Ebbe Grue +From: Klaus Grue To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: LogiWeb - - <46859E81.80103@hemmecke.de> - - <468A1A9D.5040108@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev Hi Ralf, @@ -4236,22 +3572,11 @@ that way I avoid forcing my own proof checker upon other people. The same to you. I have taken the liberty to sign up to the axiom-developer mailing list. I hope that is ok. -Best regards, -Klaus - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:57:36 +0200 (CEST) -From: Klaus Ebbe Grue +From: Klaus Grue To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: PS. Re: LogiWeb - - <46859E81.80103@hemmecke.de> - - <468A1A9D.5040108@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-dev >> Does LogiWeb have some features like WEB, i.e. change files by which one >> can modify the originally published program? (Honestly, I don't really @@ -4263,16 +3588,10 @@ Cc: axiom-dev Sorry, I didn't see you were talking about bugs. Bugs are corrected in the sources. So the sources *are* touched (hopefully not too often:-) -Cheers, -Klaus - - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:10:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: daly@users.sourceforge.net -Cc: axiom-dev +To: list Subject: trunk/axiom/src/share/algebra/libaxiom.al Can somebody explain why libaxiom.al is currently in the archive? @@ -4313,14 +3632,10 @@ On 07/04/2007 07:37 AM, daly@users.sourceforge.net wrote: > Name: svn:eol-style > - native - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:33:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-dev -Cc: +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: backslash missing in configure.ac.pamphlet Hi Gaby, @@ -4345,14 +3660,10 @@ configure.ac.pamphlet \item \verb!--with-lisp! is used but we are also told to build \Tool{GCL}. \end{itemize} - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:39:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-dev -Cc: +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: configure.ac.pamphlet Dear Gaby, @@ -4368,17 +3679,10 @@ latex distributions contain latex/pdflatex, bibtex, makeindex, but is there a reason that you include makeindex and don't test for bibtex? pdflatex might not yet be used by Axiom, I don't know. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:46:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: axiom-dev , - Norman Ramsey, - Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: +To: Norman Ramsey, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Noweb and \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} Dear Norman, @@ -4392,8 +3696,6 @@ Gaby, you use \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} in configure.ac.pamphlet. Is there any reason why you need it? That file compiles perfectly without the fontenc package. -Ralf - ---BEGIN aaa.nw \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} @@ -4409,13 +3711,10 @@ More blah blah. \end{document} ---END aaa.nw - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Jul 2007 10:27:02 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: GCL/Windows Greetings! @@ -4435,27 +3734,12 @@ In any case, I can only justify my time spent on truly open systems. Should others want to commit changes to support other systems, I can arrange cvs access. -Take care, - -> Tim -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:15:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Camm Maguire On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -4485,22 +3769,12 @@ interest is expressed. | recursively copy directory with content (currently invokes the 'cp' program) | copy file (likewise) - -OK. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:22:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: directory/truename transition - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Camm Maguire On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -4538,34 +3812,24 @@ The Haskell distribution for windows ships with a build of gcc. This is a general problem/nuisance on windows platforms for programs that generate C codes and assumes availability of a C compiler. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:56:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: Fix to configure.ac.pamphlet - Ralf -- Your fix to configure.ac.pamphlet is OK. Please CC: me at my address at TAMU. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:00:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list Subject: configure test for bibtext - Ralf -- There is no intrinsic logical reasons why I did not check for all @@ -4575,18 +3839,10 @@ those seemed to be the only LaTeX-releated tools used by the current build system. Patches that extend the tests to pdflatex, bibtex and friends are welcome. -Thanks, - --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:24:32 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: directory/truename transition Greetings! @@ -4672,37 +3928,16 @@ copy file (likewise) si::cp GCL Should be Not yet Once this is nailed down, the rest should not be too hard. -Take care, - -> - -> -> OK. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: directory/truename transition - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:28:04 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 03 Jul 2007 23:25:17 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > ... @@ -4783,27 +4018,10 @@ at the moment. Please see related post regarding an extra-spec posix support function proposal. -Take care, - - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:34:40 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: directory/truename transition Greetings! @@ -4822,24 +4040,11 @@ Given the discussion, it appears best to limit the transition to 2.7.x ensure-directories-exist/mkdir in 2.6.x, then perhaps 2.6.9 is warranted. This appears likely to break more than I had thought. -Take care, - -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:36:18 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: directory/truename transition -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:36:18 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -4854,38 +4059,15 @@ Tim Daly writes: So if an external GCL with the new semantics is present, will this break any of the axiom branches? -Take care, - -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: A modest proposal - <5464512r54.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Jul 2007 13:38:16 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: A modest proposal Greetings! -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 03 Jul 2007 16:01:27 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > @@ -4915,30 +4097,10 @@ I would love Tim's and all the other developers' blessing as to which snapshot of which branch is worthy to represent axiom in Debian. Do we have consensus yet? I can work with either, new or old. -Take care, - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - (sfid-H20070704-074647-+026.96-1@spamfilter.osbf.lua) - <468B8893.4090404@hemmecke.de> - (sfid-H20070704-074647-+026.96-1@spamfilter.osbf.lua) -Comments: In-reply-to Ralf Hemmecke - message dated "Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:46:27 +0200." Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:15:14 -0400 +To: Ralf Hemmecke From: Norman Ramsey -Cc: axiom-dev Subject: Re: Noweb and \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > Dear Norman, @@ -4950,16 +4112,12 @@ I'm completely ignorant of this package and so don't even know whether the behavior should be considered a bug. It looks as if maybe a ligature is being introduced for << here. - Norman - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:19:31 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Camm, @@ -5000,19 +4158,10 @@ would be applied if the GCLVERSION chosen is GCL-2.7.0. So, in general, I don't see that your changes will cause a problem. We have dealt with this before and have machinery in place to cope. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:40:31 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Camm, @@ -5042,19 +4191,10 @@ When we promote silver to the gold version I will be pushing out a new stable release to all of the sites. If Ondrej and you are able to help we can also bring the Debian version up to date at that time. -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:52:55 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: directory/truename transition > When we promote silver to the gold version I will be pushing out a @@ -5066,19 +4206,11 @@ can both access it and I am willing to help to make it compile, but only from the Debian side, because I am busy. Unfortunately I don't have time to fix bugs that are not related to Debian. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:01:33 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: A modest proposal - <5464512r54.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <85b5c3130707031415v3999a8ffp8a84296f6d65c1b3@mail.gmail.com> - <54wsxhcghj.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list > Were it only that simple. Typically, many, many failures are required > to get a working build on a lesser known machine. gcl/axiom flushes @@ -5120,15 +4252,10 @@ larger projects? My naive opinion is that one should try to stick to ways of doing programs that everyone does, so that such low-level bugs are already fixed. -Ondrej - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:49:53 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" , "Ondrej Certik" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire, Ondrej Certik Subject: directory/truename transition Ondrej, Camm, @@ -5145,19 +4272,10 @@ fine everywhere. The current Debian version uses GCL-2.6.7 which will still work for Axiom. So I don't believe that GCL on Debian will be an issue at all. -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:01:46 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: directory/truename transition > GCL is stable enough for Axiom in the versions we are using. @@ -5172,16 +4290,11 @@ agrees, I'll create the debian modifications (only) in svn.debian.org and I am suggesting to use svn-buildpackage, that will apply the debian changes to the orig.tar.gz. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:21:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: directory/truename transition -Cc: list On 7/4/07, Tim Daly wrote: > ... @@ -5201,17 +4314,10 @@ In the case of Debian isn't the policy that Axiom must be built using only a separately released version of gcl as a dependency? I think 'gcl-2.6.7' is still the official release on Debian, right? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:54:57 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Ondrej Certik" , "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, Ondrej Certik, Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Bill, @@ -5232,20 +4338,10 @@ This allows A-B testing of Axiom and failure recovery. Older versions are removed from the cache but their associated axiom-only patch files are retained. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:00:58 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Ondrej Certik" , "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, Ondrej Certik, Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Bill, @@ -5266,20 +4362,12 @@ GCLVERSION variable in the top level makefile or to type: and it should build using that version. -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:12:35 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list Subject: Re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Bill Page, list > Technically, Axiom doesn't depend on "a separately released version of > gcl" since, as I read it a "dependency" implies that someone needs to @@ -5293,26 +4381,17 @@ Subject: Re: directory/truename transition > > and it should build using that version. - - Yes, but generally it is a good philosophy to let each particular distribution to handle all external programs (be it Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Suse or Mac OS X). Because otherwise axiom is just duplicating the job that the distribution should do. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:23:55 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: directory/truename transition - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54r6no84ez.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 04 Jul 2007 13:28:04 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -5430,18 +4509,11 @@ other deep changes, there may be some more issues besides the file system waiting to be discovered in the windows port. :-( Has anyone actually attempted to build gcl-2.7 on Windows yet? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: directory/truename transition - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Jul 2007 17:22:54 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: directory/truename transition Greetings! @@ -5559,7 +4631,7 @@ Just my quick thoughts -- pardon the incoherence. Take care, -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 7/4/07, Tim Daly wrote: > > ... @@ -5578,24 +4650,11 @@ Take care, > In the case of Debian isn't the policy that Axiom must be built using > only a separately released version of gcl as a dependency? I think > 'gcl-2.6.7' is still the official release on Debian, right? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:32:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list Subject: Re: directory/truename transition On 7/4/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -5630,17 +4689,10 @@ for gcl. Perhaps I should just shut-up and let Camm address this issue ... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:50:05 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page, - "Ondrej Certik" , "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, Ondrej Certik, Camm Maguire Subject: directory/truename transition Ondrej, @@ -5698,19 +4750,10 @@ concerns of external users. Axiom should "just work". As noted, however, there is much disagreement about the means, if not the goal, of "just works". -Tim - - - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:21:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list Subject: Re: directory/truename transition On 7/4/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -5781,16 +4824,11 @@ the case of binary distributions tested and certified for specific environments. Compiling Axiom from source is a completely different issue in which "just works" is very often unlikely. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:25:59 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Subject: Re: directory/truename transition > This has been debated extensively on this list and there are other @@ -5877,19 +4915,10 @@ What didn't occur to me for a long time is that the Debian source package always builds if the build dependecies are satisfied, so it can be used as a reference implementation of the compilation. -Ondrej - -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:53:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire - - <54tzsk84kv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: directory/truename transition On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -5902,18 +4931,12 @@ On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: If the backport to 2.6.8 is not as straighfoward as it shuld have been, then I'm happy to wait for gcl-2.6.9. Thanks! --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:06:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: list -Cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Axiom build dependency - All -- Axiom currenty depends on GCL (among other dependencies). Period. @@ -5923,16 +4946,11 @@ version should be OK. Anything else should be considered a bug, not a feature. That bug has been fixed in build-improvements and wh-sandbox. Hopefully, the fixes will find their way to stable Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI Lisp -- SBCL -To: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:51:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI Lisp -- SBCL > > Waldek -- @@ -5948,18 +4966,11 @@ No, I did not try this. By my reading of Ansi spec is that 'failure-p' is true if there is any warning during compile. Currently we get a lot of warnings. ATM it would be more useful to stop on errors. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:56:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom and ANSI Lisp -- SBCL -Cc: list On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -5992,15 +5003,10 @@ something digestible by ECL -- ECL, unfortunatel will generate garbage. On error, the primary value is nil. However, it is also very useful to stop on failure-p. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:52:28 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: defintrf.spad Waldek, @@ -6010,7 +5016,6 @@ Can you tell me why? The code seems to be logically equivalent. - --- ../silver/src/algebra/defintrf.spad.pamphlet 2007-04-27 04:44:35.000000000 -0400 +++ wh-sandbox/src/algebra/defintrf.spad.pamphlet 2007-04-27 21:29:46.000000000 -0400 @@ -182,7 +182,10 @@ @@ -6026,25 +5031,12 @@ The code seems to be logically equivalent. checkBudan(p, a, b, incl?) == - -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:17:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Problem kTuple wish 2. - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46810445.8010705@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Christian Aistleitner, axiom-devel , - aldor-l +Cc: Christian Aistleitner On 6/26/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -6074,16 +5066,10 @@ error messages. Perhaps this is pushing the limits of what the compiler can do but I seems to be almost there... Perhaps a bug report is in order? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:22:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad > Waldek, @@ -6115,28 +5101,11 @@ This is a workaround for bug in the Spad compiler -- first version produced wrong Lisp code, the second works. It showed up first in sbcl port. This fix is due to Greg Vanuxem (as noted in the comment). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:03:18 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page , aldor-l , - axiom-dev +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Problem kTuple wish 2. - <87hcovybi7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q4pkvd8nl.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87d4zjyaor.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qsl8f449v.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87wsxrw0pc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9q8xa7c90i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q645b2dds.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <46810445.8010705@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandBoxAldorTuples @@ -6242,14 +5211,10 @@ main(): () == { main(); ---END aaa.as - - \start Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:04:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: directory/truename transition On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -6271,15 +5236,10 @@ to POSIX. the C++ committee is also considering adding support for POSIX thread, independently of whatever the binding group does. ] --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:41:35 -0500 -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gregory Vanuxem Subject: defintrf.spad Greg, @@ -6310,30 +5270,10 @@ Tim checkBudan(p, a, b, incl?) == - - \start -To: Mark Murray - <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> - <543b0ety8k.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1182888368.2658.25.camel@djian> - <541wfytqb6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183011535.2658.60.camel@djian> - <54wsxnjw3y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183179867.2658.63.camel@djian> - <54ved2yg1n.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183409651.2658.67.camel@djian> <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian> - <54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707032255.l63Mt9Xv024921@greatest.grondar.org> - <54hcol5bau.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041501.l64F1NsX029943@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tgrwcb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041620.l64GKRIZ030549@greatest.grondar.org> - <54myyc84cv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707051338.l65Dc8Ys037823@greatest.grondar.org> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 05 Jul 2007 16:33:40 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Mark Murray Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD Greetings! @@ -6348,23 +5288,11 @@ This will cut available memory in half on bsd. Is there a workaround? -Take care, - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:58:09 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: directory/truename transition - - <54d4z750ep.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list > 3) I'm hoping the existing contents of debian/ will need little > change, and only simplification. I of course welcome any @@ -6376,33 +5304,10 @@ using for testing, before you upload it to Debian) I'll try to send patches or test, only I don't know what the current way of doing things is. -Ondrej - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire - <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> - <543b0ety8k.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1182888368.2658.25.camel@djian> - <541wfytqb6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183011535.2658.60.camel@djian> - <54wsxnjw3y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183179867.2658.63.camel@djian> - <54ved2yg1n.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183409651.2658.67.camel@djian> <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian> - <54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707032255.l63Mt9Xv024921@greatest.grondar.org> - <54hcol5bau.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041501.l64F1NsX029943@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tgrwcb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041620.l64GKRIZ030549@greatest.grondar.org> - <54myyc84cv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707051338.l65Dc8Ys037823@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tey4ij.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Mark Murray Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:55:46 +0100 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Mark Murray +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD Camm Maguire writes: @@ -6420,21 +5325,11 @@ Camm Maguire writes: I haven't a clue, but I know where to ask. Gimme a day or three. -M --- -Mark R V Murray - Cert APS(Open) Dip Phys(Open) BSc Open(Open) - - - \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" -Subject: Re: directory/truename transition - - <54d4z750ep.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <85b5c3130707051458g314b4e49xce2423dc7cb7370e@mail.gmail.com> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 05 Jul 2007 19:16:30 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Ondrej Certik +Subject: Re: directory/truename transition Greetings! @@ -6442,11 +5337,7 @@ Just update /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly and apt-get source axiom -Take care, - - - -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: > > 3) I'm hoping the existing contents of debian/ will need little > > change, and only simplification. I of course welcome any @@ -6457,24 +5348,11 @@ Take care, > using for testing, before you upload it to Debian) I'll try to send > patches or test, only I don't know what the current way of doing > things is. -> -> Ondrej -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:59:21 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Version Control The SBCL group is considering using git. They've found a windows port. @@ -6486,17 +5364,11 @@ This might also install sufficient tools to help the Axiom windows port. There is a good writeup of the mingw effort at -Tim - - - - \start Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:33:49 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Version Control -Cc: list > This might also install sufficient tools to help the Axiom > windows port. There is a good writeup of the mingw effort at @@ -6504,85 +5376,43 @@ Cc: list Seems like this page has been hacked/spammed. - - \start -Subject: RE: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:17:59 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD -Thread-Index: Ace/WFOCYK0qhy79Q+egeluUnrmHjgAROg4g - <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian><54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707032255.l63Mt9Xv024921@greatest.grondar.org><54hcol5bau.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707041501.l64F1NsX029943@greatest.grondar.org><54k5tgrwcb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707041620.l64GKRIZ030549@greatest.grondar.org><54myyc84cv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707051338.l65Dc8Ys037823@greatest.grondar.org><54k5tey4ij.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707052255.l65MtkVj040508@greatest.grondar.org> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Mark Murray" Mark Murray, - Camm Maguire - FILETIME=[C887C460:01C7BF9D] -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Mark Murray, Camm Maguire +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD I think in /boot/loader.conf you can set the maximum data segment size to a higher value (default is 512 MBytes), for example to 1 GByte by -kern.maxdsiz=3D1073741824 +kern.maxdsiz=1073741824 You have to reboot the system. -Regards - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 - > -----Original Message----- -> From: axiom-developer-bounces+weiss=3Duni-mainz.de@nongnu.org=20 -> On Behalf Of Mark Murray -> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:56 AM -> To: Camm Maguire -> Cc: list; gcl-devel@gnu.org -> Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD=20 ->=20 +> > Camm Maguire writes: > > Greetings! -> >=20 +> > > > BSD appears to start the shared library loading relatively low: -> >=20 +> > > > checking for shared library/C stack ceiling to heap... 0x280ad000 -> >=20 +> > > > (Linux starts at 0x40000000) -> >=20 +> > > > This will cut available memory in half on bsd. -> >=20 +> > > > Is there a workaround? ->=20 +> > I haven't a clue, but I know where to ask. Gimme a day or three. ->=20 -> M -> -- -> Mark R V Murray - Cert APS(Open) Dip Phys(Open) BSc Open(Open) ->=20 ->=20 -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->=20 - - - +> \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD - <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian><54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707032255.l63Mt9Xv024921@greatest.grondar.org><54hcol5bau.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707041501.l64F1NsX029943@greatest.grondar.org><54k5tgrwcb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707041620.l64GKRIZ030549@greatest.grondar.org><54myyc84cv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com><200707051338.l65Dc8Ys037823@greatest.grondar.org><54k5tey4ij.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707052255.l65MtkVj040508@greatest.grondar.org> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91502@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> -From: Mark Murray -From: Mark Murray Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:42:34 +0100 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Mark Murray +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD +Cc: Camm Maguire "Weiss, Juergen" writes: > I think in /boot/loader.conf you can set the maximum data segment @@ -6595,16 +5425,10 @@ Cc: Camm Maguire, list, Will do this in about 8 hours. -M --- -Mark R V Murray - Cert APS(Open) Dip Phys(Open) BSc Open(Open) - - - \start -To: list Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:07:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: FriCAS started I wrote: @@ -6660,39 +5484,22 @@ but otherwise identifies itself as Axiom. Let me know more distinction. Also, ATM I am not setting up a separate mailnig list -- let me know if you do not want FriCAS traffic on Axiom maining list. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 06 Jul 2007 10:18:21 -0400 -Cc: Bill Page, list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: debugging +Cc: Bill Page Greetings! How does one enable lisp debugging in axiom, and get more than >> System error: - -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:34:20 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: debugging Camm, @@ -6705,18 +5512,10 @@ also you can have axiom fall into lisp on error with or not fall into lisp with )set break resume - -Tim - - - - \start Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:38:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Camm Maguire - <54ejjllioi.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: Bill Page, list Subject: Re: debugging On 06 Jul 2007 10:18:21 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -6730,17 +5529,11 @@ On 06 Jul 2007 10:18:21 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: without an problems. Could you describe how and when you get this message? I will try to reproduce. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:48:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: FriCAS started -Cc: list On 7/6/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > ... @@ -6790,39 +5583,12 @@ adjustments to the IssueTracker on Axiom Wiki to support this. My personal opinion is that FriCAS can and should be accomodated within the current Axiom project infrastructure. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 06 Jul 2007 11:08:47 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Mark Murray Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD - <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> - <543b0ety8k.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1182888368.2658.25.camel@djian> - <541wfytqb6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183011535.2658.60.camel@djian> - <54wsxnjw3y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183179867.2658.63.camel@djian> - <54ved2yg1n.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183409651.2658.67.camel@djian> <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian> - <54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707032255.l63Mt9Xv024921@greatest.grondar.org> - <54hcol5bau.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041501.l64F1NsX029943@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tgrwcb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041620.l64GKRIZ030549@greatest.grondar.org> - <54myyc84cv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707051338.l65Dc8Ys037823@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tey4ij.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707052255.l65MtkVj040508@greatest.grondar.org> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91502@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> - <200707061142.l66BgYlv044524@greatest.grondar.org> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 06 Jul 2007 11:08:47 -0400 -Cc: Mark Murray, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Mark Murray Greetings! OK, the bsd issues are almost ironed out. @@ -6847,32 +5613,11 @@ Mark Murray writes: > > You have to reboot the system. > > Will do this in about 8 hours. -> -> M -> -- -> Mark R V Murray - Cert APS(Open) Dip Phys(Open) BSc Open(Open) -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:03:13 -0500 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: friCAS Waldek, @@ -6894,22 +5639,13 @@ You now have your own project. You can set up your own mailing list, your own SVN, your own bug tracking, your own website. You can attract anyone who wishes to contribute to your project. - Good luck in your new venture. I wish you success. -Tim - - - - - \start +Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:49:45 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Axiom ia64 -Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:49:45 -0700 - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Tue July 3 2007 12:51, you wrote: > Greetings! Just wondering if you've made any headway on native object @@ -6919,18 +5655,12 @@ On Tue July 3 2007 12:51, you wrote: Sorry. No progress. I'll try to take another look at this in the near future. Richard - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:58:02 -0400 -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, - Matt Kaufmann, - Maxima mailing list , list +From: Camm Maguire +To: list Subject: gcl inlining policy +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, Matt Kaufmann, Greetings! If you would be so kind, I'd appreciate some direction on the desired inlining policy fro gcl 2.7.0. @@ -6959,23 +5689,11 @@ automatic inlining of user functions. Separately, should inlining be allowed at safety 3? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: gcl-devel@gnu.org - =?ISO-8859-4?Q?=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) - MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) -From: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:03:56 -0400 -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, - Matt Kaufmann, - Maxima mailing list , list +From: Camm Maguire +To: list +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, Matt Kaufmann, Subject: gcl safety definition Greetings! 2.7 has a much faster safety mode. I'd like to get some @@ -7004,22 +5722,11 @@ run-gbc time : 15.810 secs child run time : 48.320 secs gbc time : 5.640 secs - -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:09:16 -0500 From: Matt Kaufmann To: Camm Maguire - Maguire on Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:58:02 -0400) -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Maxima@math.utexas.edu, list +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier Subject: Re: gcl inlining policy Hi, Camm -- @@ -7039,12 +5746,12 @@ Thanks -- -- Matt cc: Robert Boyer, Matt Kaufmann, Tim Daly, list, - "Robert Dodier" Robert Dodier, + Robert Dodier, Maxima mailing list From: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:58:02 -0400 X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 - X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-280 required=200 + X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-280 required0 Greetings! If you would be so kind, I'd appreciate some direction on the desired inlining policy fro gcl 2.7.0. @@ -7073,22 +5780,11 @@ Thanks -- Separately, should inlining be allowed at safety 3? - Take care, - -- - Camm Maguire Camm Maguire - ========================================================================== - "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - - \start +Date: 06 Jul 2007 13:19:22 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Richard Harke Subject: Re: Axiom ia64 - <200707060949.45474.Richard Harke> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 06 Jul 2007 13:19:22 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -7106,34 +5802,12 @@ Richard Harke writes: Thanks! Do you have any refs to concise documentation for the gcc-emitted reloc types? -Take care, - -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:20:05 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, - Matt Kaufmann, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: gcl inlining policy - -Camm, +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, Matt Kaufmann The first issue is correct behavior but a second priority is clearly speed. I'm not worried about compiler speed but the speed of the @@ -7151,22 +5825,15 @@ case where inlining will happen so many times that space is an issue. Who writes a function with 50 mapcars? For space optimization it might be better to throw away the cached sources. -Tim - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" - <54ejjllioi.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 06 Jul 2007 13:21:51 -0400 -Cc: Bill Page, list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: debugging Greetings! -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 06 Jul 2007 10:18:21 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > Greetings! How does one enable lisp debugging in axiom, and get more @@ -7183,35 +5850,16 @@ Greetings! This was in furthering the GCL 2.7/axiom test build -- I'm at the truename/directory syntax step. Already patched axiom-probe-file. -Take care, - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: directory/truename transition - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54r6no84ez.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 06 Jul 2007 13:37:36 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: directory/truename transition +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > I understand your reluctance to spend much time learning windows > specific API details. In spite of limited available time, I am willing @@ -7269,38 +5917,11 @@ Mike Thomas did briefly, and the major issues were worked out at some point. But unless you know someone willing to put in the time at some fraction of his level, I think the proposal above is the most sound. -Thoughts most welcome. - -Take care, - -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:55:06 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Axiom ia64 -Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:55:06 -0700 - <200707060949.45474.Richard Harke> - <54ejjlh2lh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - charset="iso-8859-1" -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org On Fri July 6 2007 10:19, you wrote: > Greetings! @@ -7324,22 +5945,19 @@ ld and dl-open support only a small number. likewise the loader in Xorg/XFree86. If you know of any other refs, please let me know. Richard - - \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:08:50 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad Le jeudi 05 juillet 2007 =E0 12:41 -0500, Tim Daly a =E9crit : > Greg, ->=20 +> > Attached is a diff of defintrf. Waldek points out that this code -> change was due to a spad compiler bug.=20 ->=20 +> change was due to a spad compiler bug. +> > Is there a mailing list discussion on this? No, I posted some times ago an url to a port of part of Axiom to @@ -7350,12 +5968,12 @@ SBCL/Clisp/CMUCL. This patch comes from this port. It is already buggy. Lisp load int/algebra/DFINTTLS.NRLIB/code.lsp and try to read mapleok.input, you'll end up with an error: |dir| is not bound. In fact |dir| is just a selector of a Record. The wrong Lisp -generated code is:=20 +generated code is: - (EXIT=20 - (COND (|incl?| |l|)=20 + (EXIT + (COND (|incl?| |l|) ('T - (SPADCALL=20 + (SPADCALL (CONS #'|DFINTTLS;findRealZero!1| (VECTOR $ |dir| |endpoint| |i|)) ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ @@ -7378,54 +5996,45 @@ Greg PS : If you apply this workaround please remove my name, I use it, among others, to grep the code. ->=20 +> > Tim ->=20 +> > --- ../silver/src/algebra/defintrf.spad.pamphlet 2007-04-27 04:44:35.00= 0000000 -0400 > +++ wh-sandbox/src/algebra/defintrf.spad.pamphlet 2007-04-27 21:29:46.0= 00000000 -0400 > @@ -182,7 +182,10 @@ > ["min"/[t.left for t in l], i.halfinf.endpoint] -> l :=3D [u::REC for t in l | (u :=3D refine(p, t, bounds)) case= +> l := [u::REC for t in l | (u := refine(p, t, bounds)) case= REC] -> incl? =3D> l +> incl? => l > - select_!(keeprec?(i.halfinf.endpoint, #1), l) > + -- greg, FIXME dirty workaround > + -- select_!(keeprec?(i.halfinf.endpoint, #1), l) -> + ep :=3D i.halfinf.endpoint +> + ep := i.halfinf.endpoint > + select_!(keeprec?(ep, #1), l) > error "findRealZero: should not happpen" -> =20 -> checkBudan(p, a, b, incl?) =3D=3D ->=20 - - - - +> +> checkBudan(p, a, b, incl?) == \start Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:06:36 -0500 From: Matt Kaufmann -To: raymond.toy@ericsson.com - 06 Jul 2007 13:36:39 -0400) - <200707061709.l66H9Ggw007642@sundance.cs.utexas.edu> - <468E7DA7.6090800@ericsson.com> -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Camm Maguire, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, list +To: Raymond Toy Subject: Re: [Maxima] gcl inlining policy +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, Camm Maguire Good point; thanks! -- Matt Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:36:39 -0400 - From: Raymond Toy + From: Raymond Toy CC: Camm Maguire, Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Tim Daly, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, list X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 17:36:40.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[360F3440:01C7BFF4] X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 - X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-272 required=200 + X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-272 required0 Matt Kaufmann wrote: > @@ -7440,20 +6049,11 @@ Good point; thanks! but that seems to me the right thing to do too. I can't imagine wanting to inline every single function! :-) - Ray - - - \start Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:48:29 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: directory/truename transition - - <54d4z750ep.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <85b5c3130707051458g314b4e49xce2423dc7cb7370e@mail.gmail.com> - <547ipe5tm9.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list > Greetings! > @@ -7465,22 +6065,12 @@ Yes, but that is the one, which is already in Debian, which is old. I meant the one we will be working on. Or do you have some private repository? -Ondrej - - - \start -From: "Richard Fateman" Richard Fateman -To: "'Raymond Toy'" , - Tim Daly - <468EAC40.2070903@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:21:44 -0700 - charset="us-ascii" -Thread-index: AcfAEG3zIg6uXqNEThWEWqdh2j5r/gAAi7gg -Cc: Robert Boyer, 'Robert Dodier' Robert Dodier, - 'Matt Kaufmann' Matt Kaufmann, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list +From: Richard Fateman +To: Raymond Toy, Tim Daly Subject: RE: [Maxima] gcl inlining policy +Cc: Robert Boyer, 'Robert Dodier' Robert Dodier, Matt Kaufmann It seems to me that in-lining a function of any significant length is very likely to be a mistake, though I suppose it depends on the memory cache @@ -7542,26 +6132,14 @@ RJF > Anyway, this is really way off topic for maxima, so I will > refrain from > saying more on this list. -> -> Ray -> _______________________________________________ -> Maxima mailing list -> Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> - - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: re: defintrf.spad - <1183741730.4184.28.camel@ellipse> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 06 Jul 2007 20:29:39 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: defintrf.spad -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > This could cause problems elsewhere. > > I'd really like to find out why the compiler failed @@ -7585,20 +6163,10 @@ solve the issue being discussed. There are some other issues with the AST representation and its processing which I would be happy to comment on if interested. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:20:21 -0500 -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gregory Vanuxem, Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf.spad I'm looking thru the sources to see if there are any other instances @@ -7606,18 +6174,12 @@ of the problem. Hopefully we can isolate the compiler bug and fix it. Greg, if you've found any other bugs of this type I'd be most interested. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 06 Jul 2007 22:16:14 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad - I will look into the issue tonight and over the weekend as well. I have come across a simlar issue in trying to get the algebra to @@ -7650,31 +6212,19 @@ Giving t an explicit type `solves' the problem: t : Union(R, "failed") := leadingCoefficient x exquo r -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:27:16 -0500 -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gregory Vanuxem, Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf.spad, polycat.spad Is there a difference in the code.lsp file produced with 2.6.8 and 2.7.0 for polycat.spad? -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:40:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: NSF whitepaper on funding math software At: @@ -7691,13 +6241,10 @@ originally an IBM project and when it was open-sourced, it found itself without a reliable source of funding. This is exactly the kind of project that could benefit from some funding from the NSF." - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 06 Jul 2007 22:48:23 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad, polycat.spad Tim Daly writes: @@ -7711,18 +6258,10 @@ intermediate data at key stages of compilation and compare the two systems. However, I am only now sitting down to try and figure out the issues, and have yet to get a handle on a promising strategy. - -Steve - - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 06 Jul 2007 23:17:15 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad, polycat.spad Tim Daly writes: @@ -7749,34 +6288,19 @@ under any other Lisp like SBCL. I will build Silver tonight and maintain a `canonical tree' for debugging purposes. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:40:05 -0500 -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gregory Vanuxem, Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf.spad, polycat.spad Can you post the POLYCAT.nrlib/code.lsp file from ansi? I can compare it against my tree. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 07 Jul 2007 00:00:03 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad, polycat.spad Tim Daly writes: @@ -7813,20 +6337,11 @@ builds are giving: I would be grateful if you can confirm the above is equivalent to your tree. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:08:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: friCAS -Cc: list Tim, @@ -7891,25 +6406,11 @@ On 7/6/07, Tim Daly wrote: > > > Good luck in your new venture. I wish you success. -> -> Tim -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:37:37 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: defintrf.spad, polycat.spad Bill, @@ -8096,11 +6597,10 @@ Tim \start +Date: 07 Jul 2007 02:48:05 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 07 Jul 2007 02:48:05 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -8239,29 +6739,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > limit imports to symbols from "COMMON-LISP" package. > > As usual, all this is on 64-bit Debian etch. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:46:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging > Greetings! > @@ -8361,21 +6844,11 @@ diff -u /home/s/test/tt/axiom2/wh-sandbox/src/interp/spaderror.lisp.pamphlet wh- +|# - - - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 07 Jul 2007 16:38:25 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: friCAS -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 07 Jul 2007 16:38:25 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -8394,19 +6867,11 @@ of the quote above), I will quit, although with a bleeding heart. This is unnegotiable for me. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:36:39 -0400 -From: Raymond Toy +From: Raymond Toy To: Matt Kaufmann - <200707061709.l66H9Ggw007642@sundance.cs.utexas.edu> - FILETIME=[360F3440:01C7BFF4] -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, gcl-devel@gnu.org, - Camm Maguire, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, list +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [Maxima] gcl inlining policy Matt Kaufmann wrote: @@ -8422,18 +6887,11 @@ tedious to specify this for every function foo that you want inlined, but that seems to me the right thing to do too. I can't imagine wanting to inline every single function! :-) -Ray - - - \start Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:55:28 -0400 -From: Raymond Toy +From: Raymond Toy To: Tim Daly - FILETIME=[FC2E8CA0:01C7C00F] -Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, - Matt Kaufmann, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, - list +Cc: Robert Boyer, Robert Dodier, Matt Kaufmann Subject: Re: [Maxima] gcl inlining policy Tim Daly wrote: @@ -8462,15 +6920,10 @@ object). Anyway, this is really way off topic for maxima, so I will refrain from saying more on this list. -Ray - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:49:00 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Axiom community goals Martin, @@ -8502,8 +6955,6 @@ project. They are in no way dividing the group. However, I find these other events divisive and troubling: - - Quoting from: @@ -8671,28 +7122,10 @@ But whatever your choice, it is entirely up to you. Tim - - - - - - \start -To: Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber - <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> - <543b0ety8k.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1182888368.2658.25.camel@djian> - <541wfytqb6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183011535.2658.60.camel@djian> - <54wsxnjw3y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183179867.2658.63.camel@djian> - <54ved2yg1n.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183409651.2658.67.camel@djian> <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian> - <54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183495519.2658.110.camel@djian> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 07 Jul 2007 15:01:34 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD Greetings! OK, though not fully tested yet, I think bsd will build @@ -8704,7 +7137,7 @@ Please let me know if problems persist, as they might at this point. Take care, -Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: +Gernot Hueber writes: > Dear Camm, > @@ -8802,14 +7235,14 @@ Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 11:35 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > -> > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: +> > > > > Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Camm, > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 23:08 -0400, Camm Maguire wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: +> > > > > > > Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Camm, > > > > > > > > @@ -8859,71 +7292,12 @@ Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Broken at DLSYM. Type :H for Help. > > > > > > SYSTEM>>gmake: *** [unixport/saved_gcl] Error 255 -> > > > > > -> > > > > > > Take care, -> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > Best regards, -> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > Gernot -> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > -- -> > > > > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > -> > > > > > -- -> > > > > > Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -> > > > > > -> > > > > > -> > > > > > -> > > > > -> > > -> > > -> > > -> > -> -- -> Gernot Hueber Gernot Hueber -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:39:00 +0100 +From: Mark Murray To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.7.0 on FreeBSD - <1182836731.2658.10.camel@djian> - <543b0ety8k.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1182888368.2658.25.camel@djian> - <541wfytqb6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183011535.2658.60.camel@djian> - <54wsxnjw3y.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183179867.2658.63.camel@djian> - <54ved2yg1n.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1183409651.2658.67.camel@djian> <1183444224.2658.97.camel@djian> - <54zm2d7ec2.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707032255.l63Mt9Xv024921@greatest.grondar.org> - <54hcol5bau.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041501.l64F1NsX029943@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tgrwcb.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707041620.l64GKRIZ030549@greatest.grondar.org> - <54myyc84cv.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707051338.l65Dc8Ys037823@greatest.grondar.org> - <54k5tey4ij.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <200707052255.l65MtkVj040508@greatest.grondar.org> - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91502@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> - <200707061142.l66BgYlv044524@greatest.grondar.org> <54abu9lg! - cg.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Mark Murray -Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 20:39:00 +0100 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: > Greetings! OK, the bsd issues are almost ironed out. @@ -8943,21 +7317,11 @@ arithmetic fairly soon. I'll probably end up writing a complex library; can you make do with something else in the meanwhile? -M --- -Mark R V Murray - Cert APS(Open) Dip Phys(Open) BSc Open(Open) - - - \start -Subject: RE: Axiom community goals Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:52:06 +0200 -Thread-Topic: Axiom community goals -Thread-Index: AcfAx3pAIfEpm5EtRGqOixE1kFXHiQAC9gkg -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: Tim Daly - FILETIME=[AE813240:01C7C0D8] -Cc: list +Subject: RE: Axiom community goals Tim, @@ -8976,25 +7340,14 @@ executed in the project I wonder if there are more than zero. I would assume that most people on the list did not openly question your goals in respect for your work and your dedication -to the Axiom project. But you should not assume that=20 +to the Axiom project. But you should not assume that your goals are their goals. -Regards - -Juergen Weiss - -Juergen Weiss | Universitaet Mainz, Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung, -Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: -+49(6131)39-26407 -=20 - - - \start -To: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:34:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Bill Page, list +To: Tim Daly +Cc: Bill Page Subject: Re: FriCAS > Define contribute. As I defined contribute, which I believe is the @@ -9043,19 +7396,10 @@ to first have new Makefiles and new directory layout is silver and than merge hyperdoc changes. Doing things in opposite order only makes sense if you do not want to adapt new directory layout. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 Jul 2007 01:10:01 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom community goals Tim Daly writes: @@ -9078,17 +7422,10 @@ I believe, so far I'm roughly one out of two who contributed documentation. You did not retract your statement, so I guess I'll quit. - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:54:20 -0500 -To: "Juergen Weiss" Juergen Weiss -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Axiom community goals Having spend nearly 2 hours drafting a reply I've erased it. @@ -9102,15 +7439,10 @@ Join. Leave. Have a grand time. I'm going back to tracking a compiler bug. I will no longer respond to non-technical emails. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:56:06 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf.spad compiler bug I've identified 592 potential places where this could occur. @@ -9118,16 +7450,12 @@ Obviously it does not happen everywhere. I'm reviewing each code sequence to try to find the nature of the failure. After that I'll look into the compiler. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:03:29 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: FriCAS -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Hi, @@ -9164,19 +7492,11 @@ going on with Axiom. Maybe some people think that it is completely clear to every one on the list what it means to "send a diff -Naur patch". Nice attitude, but it doesn't decrease the hurdle for new contributors. -Hey guys, try to work together. - -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:03:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: Axiom community goals - <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91504@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> -Cc: list On 07/07/2007 10:52 PM, Weiss, Juergen wrote: > Tim, @@ -9226,16 +7546,11 @@ a) follow the goals strictly, b) leave the project. Nothing completely fits for me. Poor me. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:04:03 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom community goals -Cc: list Dear Tim, @@ -9246,14 +7561,10 @@ It is not about being right or wrong. We know that different people on this list have different goals. Cannot we just accept that and go on in the interest of Axiom? -Ralf - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 07 Jul 2007 20:09:31 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: defintrf.spad compiler bug @@ -9278,19 +7589,10 @@ identifier does not have a mode in the current environment, assume the identifier is not bound and quote it. I hope to refine this if I can show the basic approach is valid. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:33:09 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: How to create and post a diff-Naur patch Ralf, @@ -9309,16 +7611,10 @@ and it will change integer.spad.pamphlet to include the new changes. Since the original file is literate the patched file is literate. -Tim - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson - <87tzsfiwn8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 07 Jul 2007 22:59:18 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: defintrf.spad compiler bug Tim, @@ -9385,24 +7681,10 @@ candidates by compWithMappingMode as free variables. Sorry if this rant is not clear. I can try to answer any questions. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:07:14 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Stephen Wilson Subject: Lisp in Small Pieces Ralf, Stephen, @@ -9424,15 +7706,10 @@ very nice indeed. Queinnec, Christian, "Lisp in Small Pieces" ISBN 0-521-54566-8 -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 07 Jul 2007 23:17:14 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp in Small Pieces Tim Daly writes: @@ -9464,21 +7741,11 @@ capabilities. > > Queinnec, Christian, "Lisp in Small Pieces" ISBN 0-521-54566-8 -> -> Tim - - -Steve - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:35:11 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Stephen Wilson Subject: Lisp in Small Pieces > I find this very interesting. I wonder what would be involved in @@ -9525,15 +7792,10 @@ and the limits computed from each side to see if they match. Essentially provisos enable a natural parallel processing mechanism. They are much more powerful algebraically than an assume facility. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:44:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Lisp in Small Pieces > I'm interested in continuations (or futures) because this would be a @@ -9555,16 +7817,10 @@ Aldor is sufficiently powerful. And if SPAD is not going to be as powerful as Aldor and there would be need to do something in LISP, then I consider that a really bad design decision. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:39:48 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Stephen Wilson Subject: Literate programming and Provisos Eh? I sent you the reference to the book so that you could see an @@ -9614,16 +7870,10 @@ taught my compiler course at Vassar using the "Compiler Design in C" book way back in the 90s, as well as "Anatomy of Lisp" which is another excellent book worth reviewing. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:12:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate programming and Provisos > The discussion of provisos has ALWAYS been an algebraic discussion @@ -9657,15 +7907,11 @@ Generator domain? Thank you for the other references about literate programs. -Ralf - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:30:40 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate programming and Provisos On 07/08/2007 01:39 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -9680,15 +7926,10 @@ book. Of course, I will try to have a look at the programming style. (And by the way, my last mail was about "continuation in LISP" and why that would affect algebra programmers.) -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:00:52 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list - boundary="----=_Part_12790_28854283.1183903252858" Subject: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth ------=_Part_12790_28854283.1183903252858 @@ -9707,14 +7948,11 @@ Maybe I should go back to Maxima... I'm very nervy about all this. --Alasdair - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:01:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging Camm Maguire wrote: > Greetings! @@ -9760,20 +7998,10 @@ Also, with Ansi gcl-2.7.0 we get subtly different code, other Lisps that is the outer PROG and RETURN are missing (I see this difference for many other functions). - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson - <87tzsfiwn8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87ps33ios9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 14:48:27 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: defintrf.spad compiler bug --=-=-= @@ -10189,16 +8417,12 @@ Steve --=-=-=-- - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 15:21:52 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Unions in Spad - *, During my work figuring out the defintrf.spad bug, I noticed a @@ -10228,19 +8452,11 @@ If so, I have a strategy to make such Unions usable (but it may be a while before I find the time to implement it). If not, then there is an easy fix to assert the uniformity of Union branches. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 08 Jul 2007 16:34:49 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 08 Jul 2007 16:34:49 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings, and thanks! @@ -10299,29 +8515,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > > that is the outer PROG and RETURN are missing (I see this difference > for many other functions). -> -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:49:50 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: debugging - <54vecueis6.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list > If so, how to I update with svn? @@ -10340,16 +8539,10 @@ If you want to make sure that your tree is as the one in the repository say svn update svn revert -R . -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <4690E2D3.6060207@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 17:09:05 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literate programming and Provisos Hi Ralf, @@ -10398,24 +8591,11 @@ Wikipedia has some decent articles about continuations and coroutines. You might also consider playing with Scheme to get a feel for them. -Sincerley, -Steve - - - - - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:29:58 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -Cc: axiom-devel Hello Stephen, @@ -10475,14 +8655,11 @@ main(): () == { } main();---END aaa.as - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:33:00 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? -Cc: list On 7/1/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > Scratchpad was a research project, not a commercial project. @@ -10560,16 +8737,11 @@ definitely not by a private company. To save money of IBM. I think it's fair. -Ondrej - - - \start +Date: 08 Jul 2007 17:51:54 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 08 Jul 2007 17:51:54 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -10603,22 +8775,12 @@ Spad. Spad seems to follow similar semantics conceptually but I cant see the direct connection to the type system at this time. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - - - - \start +Date: 08 Jul 2007 18:12:51 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 08 Jul 2007 18:12:51 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list +Cc: Camm Maguire Hello Waldek, Camm, @@ -10639,17 +8801,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: This is strange. My current build using latest gclcvs and a private tree (a modestly hacked Silver), does not have this issue. -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:35:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging --ELM1183934156-23305-0_ @@ -10959,14 +9115,10 @@ Index: src/lisp/Makefile.pamphlet --ELM1183934156-23305-0_-- - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:53:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson - <87644uiowe.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate programming and Provisos > One can think of a continuation is an abstract object representing the @@ -11012,17 +9164,10 @@ then usually bar doesn't get the some "continuation" as foo gets, since foo might change that computation destructively (as is usually the case for Generator in Aldor). -Ralf - - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <4690E2D3.6060207@hemmecke.de> <87644uiowe.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <46916B00.6040908@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 19:45:47 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Literate programming and Provisos Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -11120,21 +9265,11 @@ syntax for these ideas in Spad/Aldor and give an example of how a Generator could be defined in terms of continuations, type system technicalities not withstanding. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:22:24 -0700 From: Richard Harke To: list Subject: Re: Why did Axiom fail in the 1990s? -Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:22:24 -0700 - <85b5c3130707081433h24bd6e6fl1dbeb63b2ea99418@mail.gmail.com> - charset="utf-8" - > Is he this one? > @@ -11165,19 +9300,12 @@ Same mistake that Macsyma made. Richard - - \start +Date: 08 Jul 2007 20:42:10 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <878xa34uci.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nv2x1f.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54tzso7hdz.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 08 Jul 2007 20:42:10 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis, - gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hello Camm, @@ -11356,27 +9484,12 @@ OK OK - - - - - - - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports - <54fy4bzski.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <878xa34uci.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nv2x1f.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54tzso7hdz.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87abu6h0gt.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 21:02:05 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list +Subject: Re: 2.7.0 reports +Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -11398,19 +9511,11 @@ appears to be OK. Appologies for the mistake. -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:40:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -Cc: axiom-devel On 08 Jul 2007 15:21:52 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > @@ -11457,18 +9562,11 @@ like: out weigh any linguistic advantage. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:50:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On 08 Jul 2007 17:51:54 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > ... @@ -11490,16 +9588,10 @@ injections operations and Record selectors are projection operations which are exported like any other function from these types. There is no need for any lower level language construct. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:04:46 -0500 -To: "Richard Harke" Richard Harke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Richard Harke Subject: Literate programming and Provisos Up until we made an agreement with NAG, Scratchpad, the pre-Axiom @@ -11543,23 +9635,13 @@ It took many weeks and many tricks to get it running on DJGPP/DOS on that Toshiba. So I can see an argument for top-of-the-line hardware. Maybe a 6Mhz machine with 256k of memory. Ah, those were the days. -Tim - - - - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 22:09:03 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 08 Jul 2007 15:21:52 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > > @@ -11622,25 +9704,11 @@ could be applied to Silver. Any thoughts on this? Absolutely, but this too could be flagged as an error by the compiler. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. - - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:18:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - <871wfigwg0.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On 08 Jul 2007 22:09:03 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: >... @@ -11668,21 +9736,13 @@ internal design of the SPAD compiler. Surely it is possible to produce compiler output that makes sense to someone who only programs at the SPAD level. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 22:27:00 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 08 Jul 2007 17:51:54 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > > ... @@ -11725,23 +9785,13 @@ Perhaps an example of how you envision this foundation working in Spad? -Thanks so much for your feed-back! -Steve - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - <871wfigwg0.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 22:34:16 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > I think it is a good idea but that it need not be a high priority. I agree as well. If I worked in that direction it would be a side @@ -11761,27 +9811,15 @@ I wish I had the motivation to do the work and refit the current compiler with a proper error facility. This is just another thing I hope to solve `for free' as a consequence of the Lisp rewrite. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:07:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - <871wfigwg0.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87sl7yfgpj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On 08 Jul 2007 22:34:16 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > ... -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Perhaps related but much more important to me would be a general > > cleanup of the output of the SPAD compiler. Right now it might be at > > best said to be "spectacularly obscure". (I recall Gaby quoting one of @@ -11800,24 +9838,15 @@ On 08 Jul 2007 22:34:16 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: >From the point of view of the SPAD programmer that is just as good but presumably much harder to achieve. :-) So I can only wish you success. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:37:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsxafh1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On 08 Jul 2007 22:27:00 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > ... -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > But really I think the concept of "selectors" in both Union and Record > > is at best a legacy of earlier days in programming language design. It > > makes much for sense to me to define Union and Record as co-limit and @@ -11921,17 +9950,11 @@ should export B: String -> % sum: (A:Type, X->A,Y->A) -> (% -> A) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:53:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Cc: list Alasdair, @@ -11975,29 +9998,17 @@ other of these projects. There is no reason to think that the Axiom project is going to disappear or that somehow that you will be asked to take sides in some emotional debate. -Stay cool. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87wsxafh1n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 08 Jul 2007 23:57:16 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 08 Jul 2007 22:27:00 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > > ... -> > "Bill Page" writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > But really I think the concept of "selectors" in both Union and Record > > > is at best a legacy of earlier days in programming language design. It > > > makes much for sense to me to define Union and Record as co-limit and @@ -12094,20 +10105,10 @@ like/expect. Even if I cant implement all the features in one shot, I can avoid coding the system into a corner so that future extensions are feasible. - -Thanks again! -Steve - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:02:40 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf.spad compiler bug Stephen, @@ -12121,19 +10122,14 @@ file I'll let you know. Once it passes local testing I'll push it out to git and svn. -Tim - - - \start -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -To: Stephen Wilson Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:40:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad Stephen Wilson wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > On 08 Jul 2007 15:21:52 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > > > If so, I have a strategy to make such Unions usable (but it may be a @@ -12158,17 +10154,10 @@ detect other errors. Also for users is seem easier to have simple syntax + set of semantic constraints than to encode constraints in syntax. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:00:14 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf.spad compiler bug Stephen, @@ -12184,36 +10173,24 @@ Your patch also changes: I'm going to rebuild and look for the details of these changes. -Tim - - - \start -To: Waldek Hebisch -From: Camm Maguire Date: 09 Jul 2007 11:08:20 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: emit-fn +Cc: list Greetings! Just a suggestion, when testing 2.7.0, omit calls to (emit-fn t). This was an older signature discovery mechanism which I'm trying to replace by an automatic algorithm in 2.7. Already found and fixed a bug do to the conflicts between new and old. -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 09 Jul 2007 11:47:03 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf.spad compiler bug +Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -12244,21 +10221,13 @@ a form which the compiler can handle. Thanks for your help in testing this! -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:00:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - -Cc: axiom-devel -> > "Bill Page" writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > ... > > > > > > I think mixed union constructions should be consider syntax errors. @@ -12321,18 +10290,11 @@ this type by requiring KeywordCategory. Does this make sense? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:26:43 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l > So really in Aldor when writes > @@ -12384,19 +10346,11 @@ MachineInteger and not the *tag* MachineInteger. Anyway, that usage of MachineInteger is not specified in the AUG so maybe one better does not use it that way. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:38:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <469261C3.2050409@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l On 7/9/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -12448,21 +10402,11 @@ user's guide, so I am inclined to think that you are right. 'Union(Integer,String)' might very well be acceptible to the Aldor compiler, we just need to intuit the proper usage. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:29:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <469261C3.2050409@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l Ralf, @@ -12515,21 +10459,11 @@ Compiler bug...Bug: gen0UnionCaseIndex: branch not in union So perhaps alll is not well... -Regards, -Bill Page - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:08:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <469261C3.2050409@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l >> It looks as if one also could do >> @@ -12713,21 +10647,14 @@ main(); woodpecker:~/scratch>aldor -laldor -fx aaa.as Compiler bug...Bug: gen0UnionCaseIndex: branch not in union -Cool! - - - \start +Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:53:22 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -From: Jay Belanger - -Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:53:22 -0500 - (Bill Page's message of "Sun\, 8 Jul 2007 23\:53\:26 -0400") -Cc: -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: ... > On 7/8/07, you wrote: >> So I go away for an internet-free weekend, and what do I find when I come @@ -12761,21 +10688,11 @@ have nearly the appeal. I don't think so, either, but the chances that it will are greater than they were before. -Jay - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:57:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <469261C3.2050409@hemmecke.de> - - <469279B0.30203@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l On 7/9/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > ... @@ -12960,16 +10877,10 @@ Aldor developers that an untagged Union should be possible. It just seems that there is an error in the compiler that currently prevents this. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:58:11 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf bug Stephen, @@ -13038,22 +10949,15 @@ shape of the record is the same yet the accessor names are wrong. I'm still checking the other examples and they seem to be expanding correctly. I'm not sure that your patch is needed. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:28:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com +From: Bill Page +To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> -Cc: list On 7/9/07, Jay Belanger wrote: > -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > ... > > On 7/8/07, you wrote: > >> So I go away for an internet-free weekend, and what do I find when I come @@ -13111,23 +11015,11 @@ being made in the project. Nonsense. Forks have occurred in many very successful open source projects. -Regards, -Bill Page - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:30:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <469261C3.2050409@hemmecke.de> - - <469279B0.30203@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l Hi Bill, @@ -13151,15 +11043,10 @@ Well, you know how I meant it. But what can we do with a closed source compiler that has no developers? Finding bug after bug is just a waste of time. :-( -Ralf - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 09 Jul 2007 16:39:22 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: defintrf bug @@ -13274,20 +11161,10 @@ but your observations have been a great help. Comments? Do the documentation bits of the patch look OK to you? I can post a revised patch containing a (possibly improved) chunk of documentation. - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson - <87bqelfh1h.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 09 Jul 2007 17:02:15 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: defintrf bug Hello again, @@ -13319,21 +11196,11 @@ checking that "i.halfinf" (of type REC2) is valid. At least its not another bug. -Cheers, -Steve - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:03:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com +To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> -Cc: list > I find the whole thing odd. I thought Tim was pretty clear from the > beginning on what the goals of the Axiom project were, @@ -13362,18 +11229,11 @@ grows. (BTW, I don't say, it should be allowed to move code without a reasonable explanation to trunk, just that the degree of perfection need not be 100% always.) -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 09 Jul 2007 17:21:18 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> <4692A2A6.6000603@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 09 Jul 2007 17:21:18 -0400 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: > Could you give them right away without looking them up somewhere? Then @@ -13408,21 +11268,11 @@ I wonder what will happen the next time someone touches that file. Will they just change the code and be done with it? Or will they add a new insight, a new paragraph, or even `finish' my half-baked attempt? - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:16:34 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - -Cc: list Bill Page wrote: @@ -13507,24 +11357,13 @@ Tim had the right idea. Let's stop worrying, support both projects according to our goals, wish both well, and get back to coding/writing. For me, that's back to asdf-literate. (Yay, working computer...) -Cheers, -CY - - - \start +Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:39:45 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -From: Jay Belanger - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - -Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:39:45 -0500 - (Bill Page's message of "Mon\, 9 Jul 2007 15\:28\:27 -0400") -Cc: - -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: ... > But literate programming is not really the problem. Rather I think the > problem as usual, is just the way in which decisions are (and are not) @@ -13542,21 +11381,11 @@ seems like anything outrageous. Which is a complete non-sequitor. -Regards, -Jay - - - \start Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:22:23 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> -Cc: list On 7/9/07, C Y wrote: > ... Literate programming is not a mainstream methodology (in my opinion) @@ -13597,22 +11426,11 @@ literate programming in a manner that will be accepted and used by most developers today seems to be a very hard problem that has not been solved yet. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:55:42 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> - -Cc: list Bill Page wrote: > On 7/9/07, C Y wrote: @@ -13714,17 +11532,11 @@ over it. Beyond that, the tools should be smooth, helpful, and robust - but they won't write themselves, so those who want them will have to get to it ;-). -Cheers, -CY - - \start -To: axiom-devel -Cc: - <877ip8ergn.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 10 Jul 2007 01:56:54 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Output/print without linefeed? --=-=-= @@ -13735,7 +11547,7 @@ Should have CC'ed axiom-developer, forwarding. Stephen Wilson writes: > *, > -> "Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +> Alasdair McAndrew writes: > > I was running a long program recently, and every now and again I wanted a > > little output to indicate how far the program had got. The "output" command > > includes a line feed, which I don't want. I've tried: @@ -13854,16 +11666,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:34:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - -Cc: list On 07/10/2007 04:22 AM, Bill Page wrote: > On 7/9/07, C Y wrote: @@ -13882,18 +11689,11 @@ do LP if you work in industry? The only reasonable way I see is: don't show the sources. But then you lose the ideal of LP that you want to teach... -Ralf - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:56:44 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <4693287A.8030309@hemmecke.de> -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > On 07/10/2007 04:22 AM, Bill Page wrote: @@ -13925,23 +11725,11 @@ software quality. We can (and should) use techniques that would never appeal to the commercial world because they do not (directly) translate into salable product. -Cheers, -CY - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:34:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> - - <4693287A.8030309@hemmecke.de> <469373FC.3030503@yahoo.com> -Cc: list While we are dragging this thread further into the merits/demerits of literate programming, I thought I would mention one alternative to @@ -13968,37 +11756,21 @@ approach would be to look for tools which "gently" encourage programmers to work in this manner (but do not require it from the get-go). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:36:03 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" , - "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson, Alasdair McAndrew Subject: FORCE-OUTPUT Change applied. Test cycle started. --Tim - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:41:52 -0400 -From: "didier deshommes" +From: Didier Deshommes To: list Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> - - <4693287A.8030309@hemmecke.de> <469373FC.3030503@yahoo.com> - - -2007/7/10, Bill Page : + +2007/7/10, Bill Page: > While we are dragging this thread further into the merits/demerits of > literate programming, I thought I would mention one alternative to @@ -14009,15 +11781,10 @@ http://www.cims.nyu.edu/~dbindel/eigenstuff/2007-04.html#x-2007-04-30-dsbweb I don't know much about lp but maybe it isn't catching up because the tools are too limited and/or too cumbersome for "normal users"? -didier - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:49:51 -0500 -To: "didier deshommes" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Didier Deshommes Subject: Literate Programming didier, @@ -14072,25 +11839,11 @@ That said, I'm happy to see that he has "gotten the idea" well enough that he's willing to build a tool to help him along. But he still hasn't raised his eyes from the machine. -Thanks for the link. -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:53:15 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "didier deshommes" +From: Bill Page +To: Didier Deshommes Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> - - <4693287A.8030309@hemmecke.de> <469373FC.3030503@yahoo.com> - - <4db014670707101041n191184a1p1754cdf414347862@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list On 7/10/07, didier deshommes wrote: > 2007/7/10, Bill Page: @@ -14114,20 +11867,11 @@ tangled code so that direct edits to the code can be automatically reflected in the full literate source. In both cases this can be (more or less) layered on top of traditional practices. -Regards, -Bill Page. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:02:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -Cc: list Tim, @@ -14139,8 +11883,6 @@ for repeating yourself on this list. The list forgets easily. You know the MathAction link and that would lead also to more prominent documentation about Axiom. What do you think? -Ralf - On 07/10/2007 08:49 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > didier, > @@ -14194,16 +11936,11 @@ On 07/10/2007 08:49 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > that he's willing to build a tool to help him along. But he still > hasn't raised his eyes from the machine. > -> Thanks for the link. -> Tim - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:11:01 -0500 -To: "didier deshommes" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Didier Deshommes Subject: Literate Programming didier, @@ -14236,15 +11973,10 @@ literate. It's not the tools. Latex is trivial to use. It's the work. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:18:18 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Literate Programming Ralf, @@ -14261,15 +11993,10 @@ still living in the late 80s. Hardly anything I write is worth keeping anyway :-) -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:37:09 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate Programming > I don't know, actually. Probably because the initial comment comes @@ -14303,14 +12030,10 @@ Ralf PS: I hope you are not angry on me. ;-) - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson - <87bqelfh1h.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 10 Jul 2007 15:55:24 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: defintrf bug --=-=-= @@ -14502,14 +12225,10 @@ CompWithMappingModeTest() : Exports == Implementation where --=-=-=-- - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:43:56 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Literate Programming Ralf, @@ -14576,15 +12295,10 @@ Lift your eyes. Look away from the machine and write for the future. I'm not angry with anyone. Except myself for losing my patience at times. -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:15:42 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Literate Programming Hi Tim, @@ -14606,15 +12320,10 @@ On 07/10/2007 10:43 PM, Tim Daly wrote: Do you think that I believe what you are claiming? -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:44:12 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Literate Programming Ralf, @@ -14625,15 +12334,10 @@ Look at my email replies and look at the headers. Normal replies have an "In-Reply-To: field which emacs RMAIL copies when you click reply. See how many you find. -t - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 10 Jul 2007 20:58:38 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Camm Maguire Subject: counting allocated bytes --=-=-= @@ -14706,14 +12410,10 @@ Steve --=-=-=-- - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:38:34 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf bug Stephen, @@ -14722,16 +12422,11 @@ I've retracted your previous MACROEXPAND patch. I've applied your compiler.boot patch. I'm starting a test cycle now -Tim - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:23:08 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:23:08 +0200 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -14758,16 +12453,10 @@ But I'm also convinced that I cannot continue axiom-development if our development model remains as it is. I will propose a model I could live with on friday morning. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:38:30 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: defintrf bug Stephen, @@ -14781,15 +12470,10 @@ Nice work. The patch you posted affects only the single failing file. Now I'm going to integrate your spad-based test case which will take some fooling minor fooling around. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:03:52 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Literate Programming Martin, @@ -14824,21 +12508,11 @@ for exposing my fundamental character so clearly in public :-) Seriously though, I hope you can accept my apology. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:19:27 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: directory/truename transition - <54abuchmua.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <54r6no84ez.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - - <547ipdtov3.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:19:27 -0500 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -14857,16 +12531,11 @@ To my mind, this suggests that Axiom would be better off: (2) moving to other open source Lisp system as soon as possible, in particular those that support Windows. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:33:48 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: friCAS -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:33:48 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -14883,17 +12552,12 @@ To my mind, you owe Waldek an apology. And please stop being divisive and exclusive; you're on the road of sabotaging the project and its community. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:44:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: FriCAS - <469029D1.9080106@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:44:43 -0500 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -14926,21 +12590,11 @@ Ralf -- your work there and prepare patches. Ignore Tim's politics for doc-improvements branch. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:57:30 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 07:57:30 -0500 -Cc: list - The notion that Axiom would need just to be written once and never rewritten again is -- I'm afraid -- completely deconnected from @@ -14960,22 +12614,11 @@ don't need to make it useful, you can disregard my comments. If you don't need to sustain its development till 30 years from now, please disregard my comments. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:01:38 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <4692DDF2.30701@yahoo.com> - - <4693287A.8030309@hemmecke.de> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:01:38 -0500 -Cc: list Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -14999,24 +12642,15 @@ support the claim that it is an effective and efficient methodology. I'm not saying that Axiom should not be properly documented. Quite the contrary. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com -Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87tzsdniji.fsf@gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:03:18 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Jay Belanger writes: +Jay Belanger writes: -| "Bill Page" writes: +| Bill Page writes: | ... | > But literate programming is not really the problem. Rather I think the | > problem as usual, is just the way in which decisions are (and are not) @@ -15026,16 +12660,11 @@ Jay Belanger writes: Did you get that for a fact from Waldek? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:05:32 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:05:32 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -15061,20 +12690,13 @@ I believe, they are almost right. Except one thing that I consider a bug, not a feature: the labels in unions and records should be properly scoped/predicated instead of being dumped into the global space. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:08:27 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | But really I think the concept of "selectors" in both Union and Record | is at best a legacy of earlier days in programming language design. @@ -15094,18 +12716,11 @@ Well, if we are to be following that reasoning, there is no need for Spad We should be discussing what is useful, convenient; not the bare minimum that is necessary. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 11 Jul 2007 12:01:29 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad Bill, Waldek, @@ -15117,7 +12732,7 @@ addition, the constraint that an untagged Union not have identically typed branches, and that in the tagged case all branch names are distinct. -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] > Thinking out load: Perhaps this use of ':' should be given explict > operator semantics so that it could be considered as just a pretty @@ -15137,19 +12752,11 @@ would need to be part of the type. I believe that what you are suggesting is essentially how one one would need to view `x : T' when implementing the facility. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 12:22:15 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 12:22:15 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Hello Waldek, @@ -15179,22 +12786,11 @@ grammatical or not. Just my 2 cents. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 11:26:47 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <87ejjfc4km.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 11:26:47 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -15206,20 +12802,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: I'm not sure I understand the arguments why they are not desirable. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 12:40:19 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <87ejjfc4km.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nezz20.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 12:40:19 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15236,36 +12823,19 @@ thinking that properly encoding the constraint is the proper move. Do you have an argument for `hybrid' Unions? - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:45:43 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: TAGS file for pamphlets Greetings! Anyone know how to make an emacs TAGS file from pamphlet source? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:51:13 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: lisp compilation warnings Greetings! The axiom build is full of compilation warnings, most of @@ -15274,19 +12844,10 @@ mismatches. This makes it hard for me to catch genuine 2.7 errors early on in the build. Is there any simple way to instuct the lisp code generator to defvar the globals? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:58:27 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly Subject: 2.7 build Greetings! Right after interpsys is created, and ACPLOT.spad is @@ -15307,20 +12868,11 @@ compiled, something writes the source file ACPLOT.lsp, which contains: The function is unreadable. Where is the function that writes this source? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15392,24 +12944,11 @@ are simply my interests and the reason I spend my time on this project. Other people have other interests, and that is great. I intend to pursue mine - the experiment of Axiom as a long term project. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:12:21 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: lisp compilation warnings - <54sl7ultgu.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:12:21 -0400 -Cc: list --=-=-= @@ -15469,15 +13008,11 @@ index f822aad..08a1438 100644 --=-=-=-- - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:32:10 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7 build -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:32:10 -0400 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: @@ -15507,25 +13042,11 @@ Unfortunately I cannot reproduce. I get: Perhaps this is a wh-sandbox issue? CC'ing Waldek. -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:36:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <87ejjfc4km.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nezz20.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87644qdhcc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -15550,22 +13071,11 @@ I'm not sure this case is one such case; that is why I would like to understand the arguments. I don't want a language designed to express only what I can think of today. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:40:09 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <87ejjfc4km.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nezz20.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87644qdhcc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:40:09 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -15585,19 +13095,11 @@ belive I can make it work but am unsure when I will have the time to implement it. Perhaps it would be best to get a prototype running and conduct some experiments to get an empirical `feel' for the construct? - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:41:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Cc: list On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -15618,23 +13120,11 @@ Not just envelops like graphics backends. Computational mathematic is not a static thing -- because it is about computation and the technology evolves, quite rapidly. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:44:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - - <87ejjfc4km.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87r6nezz20.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87644qdhcc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87ps2ybx86.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -15651,16 +13141,12 @@ I hope to have time to put the slides of the talk I gave about Axiom In general I would like to see `real' algebra datatypes and pattern matching in pad, instead of the current cruiosu case statements. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -To: Cliff Yapp Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:04:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Cliff Yapp +Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis C Y wrote: > --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15702,19 +13188,12 @@ In short: new algorithms are discovered and to use new algorithm you may be forced to change parts of the system which at first glance have nothing to do with new code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:21:35 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - <451511.64915.qm@web56715.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 7/11/07, C Y wrote: > ... @@ -15761,18 +13240,12 @@ levels and if in the end you decide to spend your time working towards a goal that seems so far away to me that we can only just barely imagine it, who am I to try to suggest you do otherwise. ... :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 11 Jul 2007 15:23:08 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? - *, I was hoping for some help with GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize @@ -15806,20 +13279,11 @@ Perhaps it is as simple as requiring GcdDomain. Could anyone provide some insight here? -Many thanks! -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -15846,25 +13310,14 @@ CAS to be more reliable with its correctness (either by itself or with the aid of proof-based results checking) than human beings - it opens up a new category of usefulness for the tools, IMHO. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > I would say that this goal is certainly very disconnected from > reality. I think comparing computer typesetting (TeX) to computer @@ -15965,23 +13418,11 @@ pursue our interests? If those are not compatible with the project, I can work on my own - I have no wish to disrupt anything any further than it has already been disrupted. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -http://sims.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:09:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Cc: list On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -16014,15 +13455,10 @@ Many things that were considered absolute truths or theorems a decade ago are no longer valid. We have to retthink the algorithms we implement; we have to rethink the core system. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jul 2007 16:14:25 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: counting allocated bytes Greetings, and thank you so much! @@ -16093,25 +13529,12 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > > Hopefully this might be of some use to GCL, however I completely > understand if it is deemed unnecessary, badly implemented, etc. -> -> Sincerely, -> Steve -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -16149,23 +13572,11 @@ few extra minutes using verified, trustable routines to check that my answer to a problem being published in a paper is correct, although obviously the BEST case is to be both fast and trustworthy. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 16:17:11 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <87tzsabxlh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 11 Jul 2007 16:17:11 -0400 -Cc: list Great! What in your opinion is the best (simplest) tree to work with purely for the purpose of finalizing the 2.7 build? I'd like it to be @@ -16202,50 +13613,21 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > (PROG NIL (RETURN (+ 0.0 (SPADCALL |x| (QREFELT $ 22)))))) > > Perhaps this is a wh-sandbox issue? CC'ing Waldek. -> -> -> Thanks, -> Steve -> -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:19:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Jay Belanger +To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87tzsdniji.fsf@gmail.com> <87y7hn3xex.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87fy3uenn4.fsf@gmail.com> -Cc: list On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Jay Belanger wrote: | | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | -| > Jay Belanger writes: +| > Jay Belanger writes: | > -| > | "Bill Page" writes: +| > | Bill Page writes: | > | ... | > | > But literate programming is not really the problem. Rather I think the | > | > problem as usual, is just the way in which decisions are (and are not) @@ -16270,16 +13652,11 @@ wh-sandbox contribution, document his findings and work and he continues to do so. That is why I wanted facts or statements from himself instead of putting words in his month or assigning him ill motives. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:27:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Cc: list On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -16321,25 +13698,15 @@ Nobody is suggesting that the system should not give correct answer. The issue is *efficiently* computing the answer. Not just giving the answer. - --- Gaby - - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:37:13 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-devel On 11 Jul 2007 08:08:27 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > | It > | makes much for sense to me to define Union and Record as co-limit and > | limit in the sense of category theory. Then Union selectors are just @@ -16410,27 +13777,17 @@ It seems to me these primitive domains would be quite easy to provide in Spad. Another issue. It seems strange to me that Spad does not have any primitives for exception handling, e.g. 'try'. -Regards. -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: axiom-devel On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: | On 11 Jul 2007 08:08:27 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > ... -| > "Bill Page" writes: +| > Bill Page writes: | > | It | > | makes much for sense to me to define Union and Record as co-limit and | > | limit in the sense of category theory. Then Union selectors are just @@ -16511,23 +13868,11 @@ have algebraic data types ans pattern matching (Boot does). They support different styles of programming. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:48:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Jay Belanger +To: Jay Belanger Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87tzsdniji.fsf@gmail.com> <87y7hn3xex.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87fy3uenn4.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87ejjed620.fsf@gmail.com> -Cc: list On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Jay Belanger wrote: @@ -16540,21 +13885,11 @@ On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Jay Belanger wrote: `reading more' into what is actually written and intended. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:55:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - -Cc: axiom-devel On 7/11/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -16581,19 +13916,12 @@ programming. In my opinion this is yet one more reason why Spad should *not* be removed from the core Axiom system. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Matt Kaufmann -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jul 2007 16:57:03 -0400 -Cc: robert.sumners@amd.com, Maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, - jared@cs.utexas.edu -Subject: Re: [jared@cs.utexas.edu: Re: - [Richard Fateman: RE: [Maxima] gcl inlining policy]] +From: Camm Maguire +To: Matt Kaufmann +Subject: gcl inlining policy +Cc: Robert Sumner, Jared Davis Thanks so much Matt and Jared for the very helpful feedback. My comments on GCL at the moment below: @@ -16609,10 +13937,10 @@ Matt Kaufmann writes: > to forward it to some or all in the thread. > > -- Matt -> From: "Jared C. Davis" +> From: "Jared C. Davis" Jared Davis > Subject: Re: [Richard Fateman: RE: [Maxima] gcl inlining policy] > To: "Matt Kaufmann" Matt Kaufmann -> Cc: robert.sumners@amd.com +> Cc: Robert Sumner > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:37:19 -0500 > > Hi, @@ -17722,13 +15050,13 @@ Take care, > > To: gcl-devel@gnu.org > > cc: Robert Boyer, Matt Kaufmann, > > Tim Daly, list, -> > "Robert Dodier" Robert Dodier, +> > Robert Dodier, > > Maxima mailing list > > Subject: gcl inlining policy > > From: Camm Maguire > > Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:58:02 -0400 > > X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 -> > X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-280 required=200 +> > X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-280 required0 > > > > Greetings! If you would be so kind, I'd appreciate some direction on > > the desired inlining policy fro gcl 2.7.0. @@ -17767,8 +15095,8 @@ Take care, > > X-YMail-OSG: dfiyZd8VM1nP5PL6C0Yh5UuU_.FW78sSgGm09IOVpI8fTvWYGSsFiTgB9EbYmCi0WHN3WTCiw6gYbouFtYpFf8mA4RHd7wQsTusEKt1fU6GgHDK96gV4wXdJLWta > > Reply-To: Richard Fateman > > From: "Richard Fateman" Richard Fateman -> > To: "'Raymond Toy'" , Tim Daly -> > Cc: Robert Boyer, "'Camm Maguire'" , +> > To: "'Raymond Toy'" Raymond Toy, Tim Daly +> > Cc: Robert Boyer, "'Camm Maguire'" Camm Maguire, > > "'Robert Dodier'" Robert Dodier, > > "'Matt Kaufmann'" Matt Kaufmann, , > > @@ -17779,7 +15107,7 @@ Take care, > > Thread-index: AcfAEG3zIg6uXqNEThWEWqdh2j5r/gAAi7gg > > In-reply-to: <468EAC40.2070903@ericsson.com> > > X-SpamAssassin-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 -> > X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-198 required=200 +> > X-UTCS-Spam-Status: No, hits=-198 required0 > > > > It seems to me that in-lining a function of any significant length is very > > likely to be a mistake, though I suppose it depends on the memory cache @@ -17841,41 +15169,11 @@ Take care, > > > Anyway, this is really way off topic for maxima, so I will > > > refrain from > > > saying more on this list. -> > > -> > > Ray -> > > _______________________________________________ -> > > Maxima mailing list -> > > Maxima@math.utexas.edu -> > > http://www.math.utexas.edu/mailman/listinfo/maxima -> > > -> > ------- End of forwarded message ------- -> > -> -> -> - -- -> Jared C. Davis -> 3600 Greystone Drive #604 -> Austin, TX 78731 -> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/jared/ -> ---------- -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Camm Maguire - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:08:51 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: counting allocated bytes --=-=-= @@ -17925,16 +15223,12 @@ Steve --=-=-=-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:20:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - <362878.89202.qm@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 7/11/07, C Y wrote: > @@ -17996,19 +15290,11 @@ Certainly you have as much right to be here (or there) as anyone else. I do not find any of the work you do or your comments at all disruptive. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:26:22 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <87tzsabxlh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54myy23dbs.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:26:22 -0400 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: @@ -18040,19 +15326,11 @@ Or via GIT on axiom-developer (the password is `linus'): Both trees are kept in sync by Tim. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:26:59 -0500 From: Doug Stewart CC: list Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -18112,30 +15390,24 @@ I believe that the core of the system would have to change, evolved, rewritten, rethinked. " -I think that this will be true, If you think back 20 years and see what computing was like then, compared to now, and then try and look forward 20-30 years, yes things will change. -Now look at the undocumented or poorly documented code and try changing it! -I think Tim's comments of writing for the humans that will have to change- improve it, is fundamental. I gust have to look at some of my code written 20 years ago to see how vitally important Tim's statement is. +I think that this will be true, If you think back 20 years and see +what computing was like then, compared to now, and then try and look +forward 20-30 years, yes things will change. Now look at the +undocumented or poorly documented code and try changing it! I think +Tim's comments of writing for the humans that will have to change- +improve it, is fundamental. I gust have to look at some of my code +written 20 years ago to see how vitally important Tim's statement is. Doug -PS I am just a user but I have been reading all the emails for the last 2 years, and hope to some day be able to help. - - - - - - - - - +PS I am just a user but I have been reading all the emails for the +last 2 years, and hope to some day be able to help. \start -Subject: re: counting allocated bytes -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Camm Maguire - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:28:42 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: counting allocated bytes Hello Stephen and Camm, @@ -18156,89 +15428,79 @@ Greg Le mercredi 11 juillet 2007 =E0 16:14 -0400, Camm Maguire a =E9crit : > Greetings, and thank you so much! ->=20 +> > This is now in. Your assumptions are correct, but alas the n_used > counter is not reliably maintained. Here is the version now checked > in commensurate with (room): ->=20 +> > DEFUN_NEW("TOTAL-BYTES-ALLOCATED",object,fStotal_bytes_allocated,SI,0,0= ,NONE,OO,OO,OO,OO,(void),"") { > int i; > unsigned long bytes; -> for(bytes=3D0,i=3Dt_start; i < t_end; i++) { -> struct typemanager *tm=3Dtm_of(i); -> if (tm->tm_type!=3Di) +> for(bytes=0,i=t_start; i < t_end; i++) { +> struct typemanager *tm=tm_of(i); +> if (tm->tm_type!=i) > continue; -> bytes +=3D TM_NUSED(*tm) * tm->tm_size; +> bytes += TM_NUSED(*tm) * tm->tm_size; > } -> bytes+=3Dncbpage*PAGESIZE; -> bytes+=3Drb_pointer-rb_start; +> bytes+=ncbpage*PAGESIZE; +> bytes+=rb_pointer-rb_start; > RETURN1(make_fixnum(bytes)); ->=20 +> > } ->=20 +> > Quite a big difference. I need to fix tm_nused someday. Notes: ->=20 +> > 1) This is a slight overestimate -- we really should subtract the free > block space from the contiguous allocation usage > 2) The algorithm needs correcting when sgc is on -- is one interested > in the active read-write set, of the static read-only set here? > 3) This might motivate me to provide a function to print the > contiguous block structure for Matt Kaufmann ... ->=20 +> > Also think I fixed the install of clcs/packages.lisp and bin/gcl. > Please let me know if problems persist. ->=20 +> > Thanks again so much! ->=20 ->=20 +> +> > Stephen Wilson writes: ->=20 +> > > Hello, -> >=20 +> > > > I have been working on evaluating/integrating a Lisp based testing > > framework into Axiom (based on Lift). One of the features is the -> > ability to benchmark the running of tests. =20 -> >=20 +> > ability to benchmark the running of tests. +> > > > To accommodate the benchmark code, I needed a function which returns -> > the total number of bytes allocated since the image was started. =20 -> >=20 +> > the total number of bytes allocated since the image was started. +> > > > I could not find such a function. Perhaps I missed it? There is > > SI:ALLOCATED, but it reports information for a specific type only. -> >=20 +> > > > I considered writing a function using SI:ALLOCATED and SI:SIZE-OF for > > personal use. However, when I considered if such a function would be > > of use to GCL, I realized it may be better to attempt it in C. -> >=20 +> > > > Of course, if the facility already exists, then this is just a > > learning experience for me. Attached is a patch against alloc.c. -> >=20 +> > > > I have two issues with this code: -> >=20 +> > > > * Is it correct to assume that all entries in tm_table with the > > tm_size field equal share the same allocation space? I assumed > > this from the documentation for SI:ALLOCATED. -> >=20 +> > > > * Im slightly concerned about overflow of the `bytes' variable. Is > > this likely? Should bignum arith be used? -> >=20 +> > > > Hopefully this might be of some use to GCL, however I completely > > understand if it is deemed unnecessary, badly implemented, etc. -> >=20 -> > Sincerely, -> > Steve -> >=20 -> >=20 ->=20 - - - - \start -To: list Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:56:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: list Subject: FriCAS mailing list There is now a Google group (mailing list): @@ -18254,21 +15516,15 @@ http://www.math.uni.wroc.pl/~hebisch/fricas.html (this is a copy of registration text at SourceForge). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:56:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > On 7/11/07, C Y wrote: @@ -18336,30 +15592,11 @@ FriCAS as interest dictates) and advance the state of the art. Now, I need to write some actual pamphlets... ;-) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. -Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. -http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:13:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - -Cc: axiom-devel On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -18369,23 +15606,11 @@ On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: Yes; Spad should be *improved*, instead of being removed and replaced with a lower-level language. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:19:44 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - - -Cc: axiom-devel Sorry, what I said (obviously) applies to Spad. Perhaps it is not even controversial. But I really intended to write was a reply to your @@ -18411,25 +15636,15 @@ On 7/11/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Yes; Spad should be *improved*, instead of being removed and replaced > with a lower-level language. -> -> -- Gaby -> - - \start -To: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -Subject: re: counting allocated bytes - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1184189322.4534.21.camel@ellipse> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 11 Jul 2007 19:01:28 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, axiom-devel , - gcl-devel@gnu.org - -Hi Gregory, +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Gregory Vanuxem +Subject: re: counting allocated bytes +Cc: Camm Maguire -Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +Gregory Vanuxem writes: > Hello Stephen and Camm, > @@ -18506,18 +15721,12 @@ Camm, is it possible that tm_nused is providing the type of information necessary to get an accurate picture of how much a function is consing, predictably increasing even amidst gc's? -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:39:25 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -18549,20 +15758,13 @@ major with the non-mathematical components of the system - they should do what is needed and not break. How to achieve this is probably where the debate comes in, but I'll not start that up again. -Cheers, -CY - P.S. - how does one sign up for the new email list? - - \start Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:59:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - <46956A2D.6080607@yahoo.com> -Cc: list On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -18580,25 +15782,11 @@ On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: Category theory is just a language. The most interesting part is how one exploits that language to tell a story. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:43:49 -0500 +From: Jay Belanger To: list Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -From: Jay Belanger - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87tzsdniji.fsf@gmail.com> <87y7hn3xex.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87fy3uenn4.fsf@gmail.com> - -Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:43:49 -0500 - Dos Reis's message of "Wed\, - 11 Jul 2007 15\:19\:42 -0500 \(CDT\)") -Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com - Gabriel Dos Reis writes: ... @@ -18614,15 +15802,11 @@ I just noticed that you only quoted part of what I wrote, and you only quoted a part which I explicity stated did not address the "put off documentation" comment. This is, of course, dishonest of you. -*plonk* - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7 installation -To: Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:20:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7 installation Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire wrote: @@ -18651,146 +15835,19 @@ clcs/package.lisp): install_command: rm -f bin/$(BINSCPT) - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -Subject: re: counting allocated bytes - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1184189322.4534.21.camel@ellipse> - <87644qbl4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire Date: 11 Jul 2007 21:58:40 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org - -Greetings! - -Stephen Wilson writes: - -> Hi Gregory, -> -> Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: -> -> > Hello Stephen and Camm, -> > -> > I'm particularly interested by this addition. Can it be considered as -> > comparable to get-byte-consed in SBCL or CMUCL ? -> -> I do not belive so. IIRC get-bytes-consed returns an increasing -> sequence of integers, effectively counting the number of allocations -> performed. -> -> I was actually aiming for somthing similar, but due to my -> inexperience with GCL's internals I clearly got something wrong. I -> was using si::allocated as a guide. The sixth value is the number of -> uses of the given type. Compare the following: -> -> >(si:allocated 'cons) -> -> 204399 -> 819 -> 819 -> 512 -> 0 -> 4503032 -> -> >(si:total-bytes-allocated) -> -> 3296240 -> -> >(defvar *c* (make-list 10000)) -> -> *C* -> -> >(si:allocated 'cons) -> -> 194336 -> 819 -> 819 -> 512 -> 0 -> 4513095 -> -> >(si:total-bytes-allocated) -> -> 3377336 -> -> >(setq *c* nil) -> -> NIL -> -> >(gbc t) -> -> T -> -> >(si:allocated 'cons) -> -> 204527 -> 819 -> 819 -> 512 -> 0 -> 4513143 -> -> >(si:total-bytes-allocated) -> -> 3293360 -> -> -> Notice how si::allocated is returning an increasing integer sequence -> in its sixth value, whereas total-bytes-allocated is, as Camm -> mentioned, a report commensurate with (room). -> -> -> Camm, is it possible that tm_nused is providing the type of -> information necessary to get an accurate picture of how much a -> function is consing, predictably increasing even amidst gc's? -> - -Yes it appears so. See also si::reset-number-used. I was confused as -it would appear the proper variable name is tm_totalloc or somesuch. - -Take care, - -> Thanks, -> Steve -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - -\start +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: counting allocated bytes - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <1184189322.4534.21.camel@ellipse> - <87644qbl4n.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:01:37 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org -Greetings! As per my last message please also note that this does not -include allocation on the C stack as in :dynamic-extent or in GCL -forked child processes, which allocate everything on the C stack to -avoid copy-on-write penalties. +Greetings! Stephen Wilson writes: > Hi Gregory, > -> Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem writes: +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: > > > Hello Stephen and Camm, > > @@ -18867,26 +15924,107 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > information necessary to get an accurate picture of how much a > function is consing, predictably increasing even amidst gc's? > -> Thanks, -> Steve + +Yes it appears so. See also si::reset-number-used. I was confused as +it would appear the proper variable name is tm_totalloc or somesuch. + +\start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:01:37 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: re: counting allocated bytes + +Greetings! As per my last message please also note that this does not +include allocation on the C stack as in :dynamic-extent or in GCL +forked child processes, which allocate everything on the C stack to +avoid copy-on-write penalties. + +Stephen Wilson writes: + +> Hi Gregory, > +> Gregory Vanuxem writes: > +> > Hello Stephen and Camm, +> > +> > I'm particularly interested by this addition. Can it be considered as +> > comparable to get-byte-consed in SBCL or CMUCL ? > +> I do not belive so. IIRC get-bytes-consed returns an increasing +> sequence of integers, effectively counting the number of allocations +> performed. > - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - +> I was actually aiming for somthing similar, but due to my +> inexperience with GCL's internals I clearly got something wrong. I +> was using si::allocated as a guide. The sixth value is the number of +> uses of the given type. Compare the following: +> +> >(si:allocated 'cons) +> +> 204399 +> 819 +> 819 +> 512 +> 0 +> 4503032 +> +> >(si:total-bytes-allocated) +> +> 3296240 +> +> >(defvar *c* (make-list 10000)) +> +> *C* +> +> >(si:allocated 'cons) +> +> 194336 +> 819 +> 819 +> 512 +> 0 +> 4513095 +> +> >(si:total-bytes-allocated) +> +> 3377336 +> +> >(setq *c* nil) +> +> NIL +> +> >(gbc t) +> +> T +> +> >(si:allocated 'cons) +> +> 204527 +> 819 +> 819 +> 512 +> 0 +> 4513143 +> +> >(si:total-bytes-allocated) +> +> 3293360 +> +> +> Notice how si::allocated is returning an increasing integer sequence +> in its sixth value, whereas total-bytes-allocated is, as Camm +> mentioned, a report commensurate with (room). +> +> +> Camm, is it possible that tm_nused is providing the type of +> information necessary to get an accurate picture of how much a +> function is consing, predictably increasing even amidst gc's? \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:08:55 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7 installation -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:08:55 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! My apologies -- obviously I'm testing with the source tree in place. It should be fixed now. Please let me know if problems @@ -18921,37 +16059,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > > install_command: > rm -f bin/$(BINSCPT) -> -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:22:30 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <87tzsabxlh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54myy23dbs.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87bqeibpj5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:22:30 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -18993,29 +16106,11 @@ Take care, > > Both trees are kept in sync by Tim. > -> -> Take care, -> Steve -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:38:33 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: counting allocated bytes - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87fy3ubqcc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:38:33 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -19074,28 +16169,12 @@ Take care, > +@end defun > @defun *MAKE-SPECIAL (symbol) > Package:SI -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 23:34:21 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: counting allocated bytes - <54myy2elzy.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87fy3ubqcc.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54sl7umjme.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 23:34:21 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire writes: @@ -19115,11 +16194,6 @@ middle of make_cons. Furthermore there does not seem to be a general interface to direct, destructive mp arithmetic exported via the generic mp.h. Is pari still supported? - -Thanks, -Steve - - > > Stephen Wilson writes: > @@ -19174,30 +16248,12 @@ Steve > > +@end defun > > @defun *MAKE-SPECIAL (symbol) > > Package:SI -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 23:44:07 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <87tzsabxlh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54myy23dbs.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87bqeibpj5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54wsx6mkd5.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 11 Jul 2007 23:44:07 -0400 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: @@ -19257,38 +16313,14 @@ Steve > > git-clone ssh://git@axiom-developer.org/home/git/silver silver > > > > Both trees are kept in sync by Tim. -> > -> > -> > Take care, -> > Steve -> > -> > -> > -> > -> -> -- -> Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -> ========================================================================== -> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com -Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <87r6nhv271.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87tzsdniji.fsf@gmail.com> <87y7hn3xex.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87fy3uenn4.fsf@gmail.com> - - <87hcoawiwq.fsf@gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Jul 2007 01:59:04 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Jay Belanger +Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -Jay Belanger writes: +Jay Belanger writes: | Gabriel Dos Reis writes: | ... @@ -19307,18 +16339,11 @@ Jay Belanger writes: I quoted, as usual, the most important part of the message that I needed to address. There was no transmutation. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:29:50 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Doug Stewart Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <46954B23.9080202@sympatico.ca> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:29:50 -0500 -Cc: list Doug Stewart writes: @@ -19341,16 +16366,11 @@ documentation -- e.g. I have far less trouble reading and trying to undestand SBCL source code than reading and understanding bookvol5 and friends and the rest of the system. --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7 build -To: Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:00:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7 build I am now testing yesterday gcl-cvs. I have set up safety to 3. I hit two problems. One is segfault -- it went away when I tried to debug @@ -19405,19 +16425,11 @@ But now I see: (DEFUN |ALIST;dictionary;$;1| ($) (PROG () (RETURN (SPADCALL NIL (QREFELT $ 11))))) --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:55:11 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - <87lkdm60bl.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Doug Stewart writes: @@ -19457,17 +16469,11 @@ As I understand it, bookvol5 is nowhere near completion. What is your take on dhmatrix? As I understand it that file is closer to a "proper" literate document. Or, for that matter, what about cl-web? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7 installation -To: Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7 installation Camm Maguire wrote: > Greetings! My apologies -- obviously I'm testing with the source tree @@ -19477,21 +16483,12 @@ Camm Maguire wrote: The latest cvs version installs fine. Thanks. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:05:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth - - <46954B23.9080202@sympatico.ca> <87lkdm60bl.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <469624AF.7020607@yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 7/12/07, C Y wrote: >... @@ -19518,19 +16515,14 @@ cl-web: A very well written example for a relatively small program. I think this is very hard to reproduce for most Axiom components. (cl-web is not Axiom). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom, FriCAS, forks and teeth -To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > > As I understand it, bookvol5 is nowhere near completion. What is > > your take on dhmatrix? As I understand it that file is closer to a @@ -19553,23 +16545,10 @@ That's a concern, and a valid point. As I have not yet gotten to any major Axiom component, I must concede that for myself the viability remains un-tested. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:55:57 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Literate Programs Cliff, @@ -19599,29 +16578,11 @@ make the tools better (e.g. asdf understanding pamphlets). It is easy to say "no". It is hard to propose "better". -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:05:29 -0400 From: William Sit +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page, Stephen Wilson, Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page , - Stephen Wilson, - Waldek Hebisch -Message-id: <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - boundary=------------640686E733BDE0E82F773442 - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - -Cc: axiom-devel - - ---------------640686E733BDE0E82F773442 Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -19902,235 +16863,11 @@ domain, we can create arbitrarily complicated index sets an IndexedUnion objects. -William - ---------------640686E733BDE0E82F773442 - - - -Stephen Wilson wrote: -
-
Main question is _why_ they [hybrid union] might be desirable. 
-Spad does not support them. Aldor might in theory, but only in 
-theory.
-[...]
-
- -
Do you have an argument for `hybrid' Unions?
-Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -
In general, I'm of the opinion that the language -should be -
constrained only when we cannot come with proper semantics. -
I'm not sure this case is one such case; that is why I would -
like to understand the arguments. I don't want a language -
designed to express only what I can think of today.
-I agree with Gaby. -

The construction of Union (in Axiom) as implementing the notion of coproduct -or external direct sum in Category Theory, specifically as disjoint union -in Set Theory and taking place in the category of sets, should have nothing -to do with tags, but with an index set and the sets associated with each -index. (By the way, the notions of union, coproduct, and colimit are distinct -concepts in category theory, so let's not get too involved with these.) -Since in Axiom, sets are domains of SetCategory, accordingly,  Union -(renamed) should be specified as: -

IndexedUnion(I: SetCategory, g:I ->SetCategory):SetCategory -

Example 1: -
I:= Integer -
g(i:I):SetCategory == if even? i then Integer else String -
J:= IndexedUnion(I,g) -

A more mathematical example would be to construct the prime field if -i is prime, and a product of prime fields over factors of i if i is composite. -In the next example, we construct the set of all square matrices with integer -entries. -

Example 2: -
I:=Integer -
g(i:I):SetCategory == SquareMatrix(i, Integer) -
J:=IndexedUnion(i,g) -

Technically, g here is a domain constructor. Whether the implementation -should be done as primitive or not depends on language limitation of Spad. -As we shall see, at the Spad level, we would need domains and categories -to be first class objects and maps would need to allow input-dependent -types as its output. So Axiom may not allow that. -

As it currently exists, Union (in Axiom) can only form the disjoint -union of a *finite* number of sets (each of which is a domain of SetCategory, -NOT as elements of Set S for some domain S, which are finite subsets of -S). The index set in the tagged version is the set of tags, but this is -clearly not enough (there being no useful operations in the set of tags). -The index set in the untagged version probably defaults to {1, ..., n} -where n is the number of sets (domains) in the union or some n distinct -strings generated randomly. (I did not check the code since Union is a -primitive and its code lives below the algebra level -- not an excuse, -just incompetence on the lower levels on my part). -

The convenience of tags (in the case of a small, finite index set) is -that the user does not have to make the set of tags into a domain and the -tags are supposedly more meaningful to the user. Now, is a hybrid Union -type desirable? Example 6 below will illustrate a possible use. -
In my opinion, the "mixed" Union where tags are allowed for a small -finite subset of the index set would allow the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, -tags are strings (by definition) whereas there is no such restriction on -an index set (or the rest of it). In most cases, for the index set to remain -a domain, the indices must be homogeneous in type and so if there are tags, -then the index set should be a subset of the set of all strings. In the -finite case, it would be an *element* of Set String (and thus, not a *domain*).  -But Union should allow infinite index sets as well and an infinite set -of strings is difficult to manipulate in code. -

One plausible reason why Union is implemented as a primitive rather -than at the algebra level is to avoid having to require a user at the algebra -level to make the index set into a *domain*.  To allow hybrid index -set, it would be again simpler to implement as a primitive than at the -algebra level as Bill Page proposed, because requiring the user to make -the hybrid index set into a domain would be a bit harder and less intuitive. -We need a domain constructor (which is easy to implement): -

TagAsDomain( T: Set String): SetCategory -

Note that Set String is used, not List String. This type of construction -is already used in Axiom, as in the domain "failed" when we use Union("failed", -...). So it is probably handled specifically by the compiler, or there -is a similar function at lower level. The above specification would enforce -automatically the constraints Stephen thinks Spad is currently lacking -(but documented, see hyperdoc on Union): -

I think the consensus is that `hybrid' Union types -are not desirable. -
Consequently, I will look into making Spad strictly enforce this. In -
addition, the constraint that an untagged Union not have identically -
typed branches, and that in the tagged case all branch names are -
distinct.
-Example 3: -
I:= TagsAsDomain({"a", "b", "c"}) -
-- this would be {"a","b","c"} as a domain -
g(i:I):SetCategory == -
  i = "a" => A -
  i = "b" => B -
  i = "c" => C -
J:=IndexedUnion(I,g) -

Clearly this is a bit awkward at the algebra level, compared to -

Union(a:A, b:B, c:C) -

But a compiler can easily translate the above into the detailed algebra -code in Example 3. On the other hand, in this algebraic level version, -there is no "untagged" Union (all domains in IndexedUnion are indexed) -and the "untagged" version should not require any constraints such as the -associated domains be distinct. It is only required that the elements of -the index set be distinct, which is automatically enforced because it is -a set. Indeed, hybrid union indexed by a heterogeneous set can be handled -easily too, using IndexedUnion itself! -

Example 4: -
I:=IntegerMod(2) -
L:=TagsAsDomain({"a","b","c"}) -
g(i:I):SetCategory == -
  zero? i => L -
  IntegerMod(5) -
J:= IndexedUnion(I,g) -
f(j:J):SetCategory == ... -
K:= IndexedUnion(J, f) -

Again, it would be much easier to have this implemented enumeratively -and perhaps as a primitive and allow the user to simply write, in case -the index set is finite and small: -

Union(a:A,b:B,c:C,D,E,F,G,H) -

However, the more abstract specification of IndexedUnion is far more -powerful. -

Example 5: -

I:=IntegerMod(2) -
L:=TagsAsDomain({"a","b","c"}) -
g(i:I):SetCategory == -
  zero? i => L -
  String -
J:= IndexedUnion(I,g) -
f(j:J):SetCategory == ... -
K:= IndexedUnion(J, f) -

In the definition of f, we can actually distinguish the "a" in L from -the "a" in String because each element of IndexedUnion is "tagged" and -we will use the "=" from L or from String (this is related to the scoping -issue of current implementation raised by Gaby). Since J in Example 5 is -itself an IndexedUnion object, this brings us to the "case" question, or -more generally: -

What should be exported from IndexedUnion? -

Clearly, there needs to be a way to coerce elements from the domains -into the union. If we were to adopt Bill Page's idea that the injections -(and projections for Product or Record) should be named by tags, then it -would be very clumsy to implement them when the Union is over a large finite -set and impossible over an infinite set.  This may be one reason why -Axiom separates Union into two versions, tagged (when the indexed set is -finite and small) and untagged (the general case).  I can only think -of two purposes of tags: (1) to distinguish cases when a domain occurs -multiple times in the arguments of Union, and (2) for convenience of use.  -The first of these can be handled by the index set and the second, too, -but convenience depends on the size of the index set, as illustrated in -the previous examples. -

Based on the notion of constructing IndexedUnion using an index set, -I propose the following exports (there should be more if one compares this -with IndexedAggregate or other Indexed* constructors, but for the purpose -of this discussion, they are irrelevant): -

IndexedUnion(I: SetCategory, g:I ->SetCategory):SetCategory == with -
      "=": (%, %) -> Boolean -
      index: % -> I -
         ++ index(x) returns -the index i such that x belongs to g(i) -
      value(x:%): g(index(x)) -
         ++ index(x) returns -x as an element in g(index(x)) -
      coerce(i:I, x:g(i)): % -
         ++ coerce(i,x) creates -x as an element of % in the component g(i) -
  -

These are just generalization of what currently exist but I get rid -of the "case" and replace it with "index" and "value".  Instead of -multiple overloading of "case" and "coerce", we now need only one (this -afterall, is exactly the advantage of indexing over explicit enumeration). -Of course, we need to be able to use input-dependent signatures. This is -a requirement when we deal with heterogeneous objects. In Example 5, where -J itself is defined using IndexedUnion, the function f may be defined in -the following way. The example illustrates how IndexedUnion may be used. -

Example 6 (Example 5 continued): -

I:=IntegerMod(2) -
L:=tagsAsDomain({"a","b","c"}) -
g(i:I):SetCategory == -
  zero? i => L -
  String -
J:= IndexedUnion(I,g) -
f(j, J) :SetCategory == -
  jU := value(j) -
  index(j) =$I 0 => -
     jU =$L "a" => A -
     jU =$L "b" => B -
     jU =$L "c" => C -
  IntegerMod(#jU) -
K:=IndexedUnion(J,f) -

Of course this example is contrived. However, I can imagine constructions -in mathematics over a set J where for a finite number of (exception) elements -of J, there are two cases whereas for all the other there is only one. -This would necessitate exceptional handling as in Example 6 above. -

What about the data representation of Union? Can we do this at the algebra -level? We seem to need non-homogeneous data representation! In lower level, -this is not difficult, say using pointers (perhaps another reason why Union -is implemented as primitive, to hide pointers at the algebra level), but -at the algebra level, Axiom is not designed for heterogeneous objects (that's -why people use C++): -

    Rep:= Record( index: I, value:g(i) ) -

if allowed would be perfect (note that Record is also a primitive, so -let the lower level handle pointers). Record, categorically the product -construction, should also be done using an index set. A plausible and trivial -implementation of the exported functions is: -

      x = y == (x.index = y.index) and (x.value -= y.value) -
      index(x) == x.index -
      value(x)== x.value -
      coerce(i:I, v:g(i)) == [i, v]$Rep -
  -
By generalizing TagsAsDomain, replacing String by any domain, we can -create arbitrarily complicated index sets an IndexedUnion objects. -
  -

William - ---------------640686E733BDE0E82F773442-- - - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 10:22:45 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programs -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Jul 2007 10:22:45 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -20143,16 +16880,11 @@ True. It is equally easy to dismiss review under the name of "you haven't seriously tried", when in fact the reviewer has tried the technology and many others. Does that ring a bell to you? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:22:10 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7 build -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:22:10 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -20272,35 +17004,11 @@ update in wh-sandbox as modified by the patches your posted. If the source tree is different, a complete set of instructions describing how to reproduce this would be most helpful. -Take care, - -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 13:21:54 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <54odihr6jh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 12 Jul 2007 13:21:54 -0400 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: [...] @@ -20526,15 +17234,11 @@ OK OK - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7 build -To: Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:54:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7 build > Greetings! > @@ -20747,17 +17451,10 @@ revision 636 of wh-sandbox + the patch that I posted. If you did update you probably got revision 646 which is slightly different. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:48:20 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Literate Programming An extended quote from: @@ -20856,19 +17553,11 @@ work, to be read by humans. This is analogous to the approach in a mathematics book. The text of the book is like the comments in a program, and it is typically bigger than the formal development. - -Tim - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:14:38 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <54odihr6jh.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87r6nda66l.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:14:38 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings, and thanks once again for a great report! Should be fixed now -- please let me know if problems persist. @@ -21101,36 +17790,12 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > > OK > -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:19:10 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:19:10 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear William, @@ -21246,27 +17911,11 @@ typing where necessary' approach to language design. Again, many thanks for your detailed article! -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:23:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -21277,16 +17926,11 @@ On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: I think we all agree on that. The issue -- a very tough isue -- is to define "where necessary" in the context of dependent types. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 18:14:28 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: 2.7 build -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 12 Jul 2007 18:14:28 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -21450,29 +18094,11 @@ No need. OK, I've reverted exactly to this source for testing. How are you testing at safety 3 -- with an initial declaim in saved_ansi_gcl? -Take care, - -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 18:20:49 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 12 Jul 2007 18:20:49 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! Again, I get @@ -21502,44 +18128,27 @@ cat ACPLOT.NRLIB/ACPLOT.lsp Is this the same issue as you are reporting (or related)? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:47:58 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson -Message-id: <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson wrote: > You never cease to amaze me with your keen insights! -Thanks. Unfortunately, in Axiom, I have found that the simpler things look, the -more difficult it is to analyse. (This is one reason I find literate programming -impossible to achieve. If we are still having problems understanding the simplest -domain constructions, how can we ever document the cutting edge algebra domains?) +Thanks. Unfortunately, in Axiom, I have found that the simpler things +look, the more difficult it is to analyse. (This is one reason I find +literate programming impossible to achieve. If we are still having +problems understanding the simplest domain constructions, how can we +ever document the cutting edge algebra domains?) > I read your post over a few times ... -Sorry, I'll try to write clearer next time around. (Clearly, it is difficult to -write ...). +Sorry, I'll try to write clearer next time around. (Clearly, it is +difficult to write ...). > William Sit writes: > [...] @@ -21554,8 +18163,9 @@ write ...). > the type is used in a declaration). The tagged case has problems > too. -Yes, I understand that. In my lines above, "lacking" refers to lacking "enforce -... constraints" (not "documented"). Poor sentence construct, sorry. +Yes, I understand that. In my lines above, "lacking" refers to lacking +"enforce ... constraints" (not "documented"). Poor sentence construct, +sorry. > Consider: > @@ -21577,14 +18187,15 @@ Yes, I understand that. In my lines above, "lacking" refers to lacking "enforce > ==---------------- Yes, the compiler did not enforce what was specified in the hyperdoc -specification ("In this tagged Union, tags a, ..., b must be distinct.") But -there are lots of other things the compiler would not enforce for various reasons -(such as "Commutative" and other attributes). In this case, probably no Axiom -programmer would use the same tag for two distinct fields (I won't even use the -same identifier outside of Union Rep even though I should be able to). In -mathematics articles, I would be equally careful not to use the same symbol for -different quantities, even if it were just a dummy index. (I modified the -notations in my previous email several times for this reason.) +specification ("In this tagged Union, tags a, ..., b must be +distinct.") But there are lots of other things the compiler would not +enforce for various reasons (such as "Commutative" and other +attributes). In this case, probably no Axiom programmer would use the +same tag for two distinct fields (I won't even use the same identifier +outside of Union Rep even though I should be able to). In mathematics +articles, I would be equally careful not to use the same symbol for +different quantities, even if it were just a dummy index. (I modified +the notations in my previous email several times for this reason.) > AXIOM Computer Algebra System > Version: Axiom (May 2007) @@ -21661,31 +18272,35 @@ After compiling, (7) 2 Type: PositiveInteger -Note the answer is even *correct*! Axiom should have signaled a failure or error. -This is most likely due to internal *implementation* of Rep and i2::Rep should -not be allowed to apply to tag1. But EVEN IF it is using tag1, how on earth did -it get the value 2? The problem is that in inj2, there is no indication that the -value should be placed into the tag2 field! (but neither is there an indication -to place it into tag1 field. Axiom simply gives it to the first one! If correct -indexing is done and kept, this would not have happened or allowed. Instead of -the two inj1 and inj2, I would use coerce(0, 1) and coerce(1, 1), (assuming index -set is IntegerMod(2)), and to retrieve the values , I would simply use value(p) -as in my proposal, and there would be no problem. Note that my proposed Rep is -also more efficient than the current Rep (which seems to reserve space for ALL -possible domain values and tags, but did not keep the indexing information) when -all you need is just space for ONE domain value and its index, per Record. - -Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems to be no way to -tell even which domain the underlying value of p belongs, so that one cannot -distinguish the two cases to implement prj correctly (even if the tags and -domains are all distinct). The current "case" requires one to know beforehand the -value (without any indication of the index of the domain) to test against, as in -(p case 1) or (p case ""). It is designed to be more like a "switch" than to give -you information on the element. So I think it is a design flaw in Union. That is -why my proposed exports in IndexedUnion does not use "case" at all. Rather, it is -simpler to tell the index and value of a member in a disjoint union. (By the -way, the idea of "disjoint union" is precisely to allow the same value to wear -two or more hats.) +Note the answer is even *correct*! Axiom should have signaled a +failure or error. This is most likely due to internal +*implementation* of Rep and i2::Rep should not be allowed to apply to +tag1. But EVEN IF it is using tag1, how on earth did it get the value +2? The problem is that in inj2, there is no indication that the value +should be placed into the tag2 field! (but neither is there an +indication to place it into tag1 field. Axiom simply gives it to the +first one! If correct indexing is done and kept, this would not have +happened or allowed. Instead of the two inj1 and inj2, I would use +coerce(0, 1) and coerce(1, 1), (assuming index set is IntegerMod(2)), +and to retrieve the values , I would simply use value(p) as in my +proposal, and there would be no problem. Note that my proposed Rep is +also more efficient than the current Rep (which seems to reserve space +for ALL possible domain values and tags, but did not keep the indexing +information) when all you need is just space for ONE domain value and +its index, per Record. + +Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems to be +no way to tell even which domain the underlying value of p belongs, so +that one cannot distinguish the two cases to implement prj correctly +(even if the tags and domains are all distinct). The current "case" +requires one to know beforehand the value (without any indication of +the index of the domain) to test against, as in (p case 1) or (p case +""). It is designed to be more like a "switch" than to give you +information on the element. So I think it is a design flaw in +Union. That is why my proposed exports in IndexedUnion does not use +"case" at all. Rather, it is simpler to tell the index and value of a +member in a disjoint union. (By the way, the idea of "disjoint union" +is precisely to allow the same value to wear two or more hats.) > > Based on the notion of constructing IndexedUnion using an > > index set, I propose the following exports (there should be @@ -21710,12 +18325,13 @@ two or more hats.) > exceedingly similar. If were it not for the context, reading the > signature above would immediately make me think `hash table'. -That would be another discussion altogether. For now, I believe there is no need -for hashing in the implementation of IndexedUnion. If I understanding this -correctly, hashing involves placing items in a fixed prealloted space by -computing the address of storage from the content (or key) of the stored item. -Here we don't have such a situation, unless lists of IndexedUnion objects are -involved (which is where Aggregate comes in). +That would be another discussion altogether. For now, I believe there +is no need for hashing in the implementation of IndexedUnion. If I +understanding this correctly, hashing involves placing items in a +fixed prealloted space by computing the address of storage from the +content (or key) of the stored item. Here we don't have such a +situation, unless lists of IndexedUnion objects are involved (which is +where Aggregate comes in). > > What about the data representation of Union? Can we do this > > at the algebra level? We seem to need non-homogeneous data @@ -21735,28 +18351,23 @@ Do you recall we had a fairly long discussion on dependent types? http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/18AxiomDomainsAndAldorReturnTypes -I believe I figured out a way to code it in current Axiom, but not that -naturally. The idea is to use package or domain constructors, because these -clearly allow dependent types. I need to review that to see if it can be applied -to IndexedUnion. I have a feeling it is not possible because Record cannot be -coerced at the algebra level to take heterogeneous objects. So if you can hack -Record into doing that, we can probably implement the exported functions somehow. -Certainly, if Record remains primitive, then all the exported functions I -proposed can be easily implemented. (Functions implemented in primitive domain -such as "case" do not show up in ")di op case" or ")show Union" (but they show up -in hyperdoc)). - -William - - - +I believe I figured out a way to code it in current Axiom, but not +that naturally. The idea is to use package or domain constructors, +because these clearly allow dependent types. I need to review that to +see if it can be applied to IndexedUnion. I have a feeling it is not +possible because Record cannot be coerced at the algebra level to take +heterogeneous objects. So if you can hack Record into doing that, we +can probably implement the exported functions somehow. Certainly, if +Record remains primitive, then all the exported functions I proposed +can be easily implemented. (Functions implemented in primitive domain +such as "case" do not show up in ")di op case" or ")show Union" (but +they show up in hyperdoc)). \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 19:28:36 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 12 Jul 2007 19:28:36 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -21776,16 +18387,11 @@ GHC -- probably the largest Haskell program -- its literate documentation (almost two years ago) and its documentation no later than a month ago at HOPL-III). --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:21:17 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:21:17 -0400 -Cc: list Just soliciting opinions -- would well documented GCL 1) carry function documentation strings around in the image accessible via describe @@ -21795,40 +18401,25 @@ Just soliciting opinions -- would well documented GCL How to integrate with the lisp functions apropos, documentation, etc.? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:42:32 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:42:32 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis William Sit writes: > Stephen Wilson wrote: > > > You never cease to amaze me with your keen insights! -> -> Thanks. Unfortunately, in Axiom, I have found that the simpler things look, the -> more difficult it is to analyse. (This is one reason I find literate programming -> impossible to achieve. If we are still having problems understanding the simplest -> domain constructions, how can we ever document the cutting edge algebra domains?) + +> Thanks. Unfortunately, in Axiom, I have found that the simpler +> things look, the more difficult it is to analyse. (This is one +> reason I find literate programming impossible to achieve. If we are +> still having problems understanding the simplest domain +> constructions, how can we ever document the cutting edge algebra +> domains?) I agree that the challenge is great. Perhaps if we can get an IndexedUnion implemented we can work together to get some good @@ -21840,9 +18431,9 @@ perspective. Undoubtedly others can contribute to the process. Many hands make light work, after all! :) > > I read your post over a few times ... -> -> Sorry, I'll try to write clearer next time around. (Clearly, it is difficult to -> write ...). + +> Sorry, I'll try to write clearer next time around. (Clearly, it is +> difficult to write ...). Oh no, your writing was quite clear. I am a slow learner, and it can take me quite some time to digest things. @@ -21859,10 +18450,11 @@ take me quite some time to digest things. > > a valid type (though the interpreter will recognize it as malformed if > > the type is used in a declaration). The tagged case has problems > > too. -> -> Yes, I understand that. In my lines above, "lacking" refers to lacking "enforce -> ... constraints" (not "documented"). Poor sentence construct, sorry. -> + +> Yes, I understand that. In my lines above, "lacking" refers to +> lacking "enforce ... constraints" (not "documented"). Poor sentence +> construct, sorry. + > > Consider: > > > > ==--- union-test.spad ---- @@ -21881,16 +18473,18 @@ take me quite some time to digest things. > > prj p == (p::Rep).tag1 > > > > ==---------------- -> + > Yes, the compiler did not enforce what was specified in the hyperdoc -> specification ("In this tagged Union, tags a, ..., b must be distinct.") But -> there are lots of other things the compiler would not enforce for various reasons -> (such as "Commutative" and other attributes). In this case, probably no Axiom -> programmer would use the same tag for two distinct fields (I won't even use the -> same identifier outside of Union Rep even though I should be able to). In -> mathematics articles, I would be equally careful not to use the same symbol for -> different quantities, even if it were just a dummy index. (I modified the -> notations in my previous email several times for this reason.) +> specification ("In this tagged Union, tags a, ..., b must be +> distinct.") But there are lots of other things the compiler would +> not enforce for various reasons (such as "Commutative" and other +> attributes). In this case, probably no Axiom programmer would use +> the same tag for two distinct fields (I won't even use the same +> identifier outside of Union Rep even though I should be able to). +> In mathematics articles, I would be equally careful not to use the +> same symbol for different quantities, even if it were just a dummy +> index. (I modified the notations in my previous email several times +> for this reason.) Absolutely, and I understand your careful methods. On the other hand, I would like one day for the Spad compiler to be feed utter garbage @@ -21934,19 +18528,22 @@ and still cope with the input gracefully. > Type: PositiveInteger > -> Note the answer is even *correct*! Axiom should have signaled a failure or error. -> This is most likely due to internal *implementation* of Rep and i2::Rep should -> not be allowed to apply to tag1. But EVEN IF it is using tag1, how on earth did -> it get the value 2? The problem is that in inj2, there is no indication that the -> value should be placed into the tag2 field! (but neither is there an indication -> to place it into tag1 field. Axiom simply gives it to the first one! If correct -> indexing is done and kept, this would not have happened or allowed. Instead of -> the two inj1 and inj2, I would use coerce(0, 1) and coerce(1, 1), (assuming index -> set is IntegerMod(2)), and to retrieve the values , I would simply use value(p) -> as in my proposal, and there would be no problem. Note that my proposed Rep is -> also more efficient than the current Rep (which seems to reserve space for ALL -> possible domain values and tags, but did not keep the indexing information) when -> all you need is just space for ONE domain value and its index, per Record. +> Note the answer is even *correct*! Axiom should have signaled a +> failure or error. This is most likely due to internal +> *implementation* of Rep and i2::Rep should not be allowed to apply +> to tag1. But EVEN IF it is using tag1, how on earth did it get the +> value 2? The problem is that in inj2, there is no indication that +> the value should be placed into the tag2 field! (but neither is +> there an indication to place it into tag1 field. Axiom simply gives +> it to the first one! If correct indexing is done and kept, this +> would not have happened or allowed. Instead of the two inj1 and +> inj2, I would use coerce(0, 1) and coerce(1, 1), (assuming index set +> is IntegerMod(2)), and to retrieve the values , I would simply use +> value(p) as in my proposal, and there would be no problem. Note that +> my proposed Rep is also more efficient than the current Rep (which +> seems to reserve space for ALL possible domain values and tags, but +> did not keep the indexing information) when all you need is just +> space for ONE domain value and its index, per Record. The Lisp output you are seeing is actually the underlying representation which, if I understand correctly, is equivalent to the @@ -21960,17 +18557,19 @@ So you can see from your example that i1 and i2 give, respectively, (0 . 1) and (0 . 2), thus inj1 and inj2 are placing their values in the tag1 field. -> Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems to be no way to -> tell even which domain the underlying value of p belongs, so that one cannot -> distinguish the two cases to implement prj correctly (even if the tags and -> domains are all distinct). The current "case" requires one to know beforehand the -> value (without any indication of the index of the domain) to test against, as in -> (p case 1) or (p case ""). It is designed to be more like a "switch" than to give -> you information on the element. So I think it is a design flaw in Union. That is -> why my proposed exports in IndexedUnion does not use "case" at all. Rather, it is -> simpler to tell the index and value of a member in a disjoint union. (By the -> way, the idea of "disjoint union" is precisely to allow the same value to wear -> two or more hats.) +> Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems to +> be no way to tell even which domain the underlying value of p +> belongs, so that one cannot distinguish the two cases to implement +> prj correctly (even if the tags and domains are all distinct). The +> current "case" requires one to know beforehand the value (without +> any indication of the index of the domain) to test against, as in (p +> case 1) or (p case ""). It is designed to be more like a "switch" +> than to give you information on the element. So I think it is a +> design flaw in Union. That is why my proposed exports in +> IndexedUnion does not use "case" at all. Rather, it is simpler to +> tell the index and value of a member in a disjoint union. (By the +> way, the idea of "disjoint union" is precisely to allow the same +> value to wear two or more hats.) Yes, the issues involved here have come up in various other `thought experiments' of my own in an attempt to figure how Spad could be made @@ -22009,13 +18608,14 @@ warrant if such a representation of its elements is necessary at all. > > concept of IndexedUnion and the familiar notion of Dictionary are > > exceedingly similar. If were it not for the context, reading the > > signature above would immediately make me think `hash table'. -> -> That would be another discussion altogether. For now, I believe there is no need -> for hashing in the implementation of IndexedUnion. If I understanding this -> correctly, hashing involves placing items in a fixed prealloted space by -> computing the address of storage from the content (or key) of the stored item. -> Here we don't have such a situation, unless lists of IndexedUnion objects are -> involved (which is where Aggregate comes in). + +> That would be another discussion altogether. For now, I believe +> there is no need for hashing in the implementation of +> IndexedUnion. If I understanding this correctly, hashing involves +> placing items in a fixed prealloted space by computing the address +> of storage from the content (or key) of the stored item. Here we +> don't have such a situation, unless lists of IndexedUnion objects +> are involved (which is where Aggregate comes in). Its not so much the representation that I was driving at (sorry for the ambiguity!). If one thought of `index' as a function which @@ -22050,16 +18650,17 @@ Absolutely I do. In fact, I have reread that exchange several times over the past few years, as I have been thinking about the issues involved regularly since that time (as I said, I am a slow learner :). -> I believe I figured out a way to code it in current Axiom, but not that -> naturally. The idea is to use package or domain constructors, because these -> clearly allow dependent types. I need to review that to see if it can be applied -> to IndexedUnion. I have a feeling it is not possible because Record cannot be -> coerced at the algebra level to take heterogeneous objects. So if you can hack -> Record into doing that, we can probably implement the exported functions somehow. -> Certainly, if Record remains primitive, then all the exported functions I -> proposed can be easily implemented. (Functions implemented in primitive domain -> such as "case" do not show up in ")di op case" or ")show Union" (but they show up -> in hyperdoc)). +> I believe I figured out a way to code it in current Axiom, but not +> that naturally. The idea is to use package or domain constructors, +> because these clearly allow dependent types. I need to review that +> to see if it can be applied to IndexedUnion. I have a feeling it is +> not possible because Record cannot be coerced at the algebra level +> to take heterogeneous objects. So if you can hack Record into doing +> that, we can probably implement the exported functions somehow. +> Certainly, if Record remains primitive, then all the exported +> functions I proposed can be easily implemented. (Functions +> implemented in primitive domain such as "case" do not show up in +> ")di op case" or ")show Union" (but they show up in hyperdoc)). It would be possible today to do this by calling out to Lisp and carefully choosing a representation there. I believe that would be @@ -22073,17 +18674,10 @@ choose a Lisp representation and implement any necessary machinery, as I understand you are not fluent in the language (many apologies in advance if that is not accurate!). -Sincerley, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:29:00 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Literate Programming In investigating the use of LP in Haskell I came across this example: @@ -22159,16 +18753,10 @@ Given all of this existing work in the haskell community (google shows literate haskell 456k hits, 529k for literate lisp, 2.24M for literate C) I don't see that Axiom is breaking any new ground. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:03:55 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Subject: Literate Programming > Just soliciting opinions -- would well documented GCL @@ -22210,16 +18798,11 @@ Individual user-level functions can be documented by many different people (in theory) because all that would be required is to paraphrase the standard and explain any GCL-specific details. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 12 Jul 2007 23:56:13 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 12 Jul 2007 23:56:13 -0400 -Cc: list Hello, @@ -22254,29 +18837,12 @@ the Program, and allowing GCL to function as a member of a powerful Lisp based literate programming tool chain. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:13:52 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson -Message-id: <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -22289,19 +18855,21 @@ Stephen Wilson wrote: > > Many hands make light work, after all! :) -Okay. Let's make that a near-term goal. How about starting a sandbox page for this -"pamphlet" (I'll even to agree to try this format by inserting the documentation if you -start the skeleton). Then anyone can add to it as they see fit. If you agree (at least -for now) with what I propose as a possible implementation model, I can adapt that email -into the pamplet. +Okay. Let's make that a near-term goal. How about starting a sandbox +page for this "pamphlet" (I'll even to agree to try this format by +inserting the documentation if you start the skeleton). Then anyone +can add to it as they see fit. If you agree (at least for now) with +what I propose as a possible implementation model, I can adapt that +email into the pamplet. > Absolutely, and I understand your careful methods. On the other hand, > I would like one day for the Spad compiler to be feed utter garbage > and still cope with the input gracefully. -I think that would be great (but a very difficult goal to achieve)! Perhaps one can set -different optimization levels using )set commands on the fly, especially with compiling -Axiom source. I guess that is already available, but I just don't know how. +I think that would be great (but a very difficult goal to achieve)! +Perhaps one can set different optimization levels using )set commands +on the fly, especially with compiling Axiom source. I guess that is +already available, but I just don't know how. > The Lisp output you are seeing is actually the underlying > representation which, if I understand correctly, is equivalent to the @@ -22315,39 +18883,45 @@ Axiom source. I guess that is already available, but I just don't know how. > (0 . 1) and (0 . 2), thus inj1 and inj2 are placing their values in > the tag1 field. -This simple representation limits the generality and naturalness of implementation. But -where are the tags? Are they in some symbol table where (0.1) and (1.2) would be their -values? I think the tags (at least according to the examples I gave) should be used as -the index or part of the index set, and the index set should not be limited to the -natural integers (of course, if the index set is ordered, one can put it into a -bijection with 0.. n or 0.. , but that requires something else to store the bijection; -if the index set is not ordered, then some hashing function would be needed). In -mathematics, we let the index set to be quite arbitrary, and often a set of other -mathematical objects. So for example, the disjoint union of all prime fields would +This simple representation limits the generality and naturalness of +implementation. But where are the tags? Are they in some symbol table +where (0.1) and (1.2) would be their values? I think the tags (at +least according to the examples I gave) should be used as the index or +part of the index set, and the index set should not be limited to the +natural integers (of course, if the index set is ordered, one can put +it into a bijection with 0.. n or 0.. , but that requires something +else to store the bijection; if the index set is not ordered, then +some hashing function would be needed). In mathematics, we let the +index set to be quite arbitrary, and often a set of other mathematical +objects. So for example, the disjoint union of all prime fields would require an index set that is the set of primes. -Subject to a hashing of the index set into an initial segment or the entire set of the -natural numbers, I think the data representation using a pair (a . b) is fine and -efficient. But this cannot be the same as Record, because in a Record, you need to -store all the data fields for each record. In Union, you only need only to store one. -The design flaw in Union is the exported functions currently do not allow branch -specification, even though the lisp representation is "indexed" (but without type info, -according to you, below). So there is no way to even coerce (the provided function in -Union) an element correctly if the domains AND the tags are not distinct. And there is +Subject to a hashing of the index set into an initial segment or the +entire set of the natural numbers, I think the data representation +using a pair (a . b) is fine and efficient. But this cannot be the +same as Record, because in a Record, you need to store all the data +fields for each record. In Union, you only need only to store one. +The design flaw in Union is the exported functions currently do not +allow branch specification, even though the lisp representation is +"indexed" (but without type info, according to you, below). So there +is no way to even coerce (the provided function in Union) an element +correctly if the domains AND the tags are not distinct. And there is no way to discover the index of an element in the union in that case. -> > Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems to be no way to -> > tell even which domain the underlying value of p belongs, so that one cannot -> > distinguish the two cases to implement prj correctly (even if the tags and -> > domains are all distinct). The current "case" requires one to know beforehand the -> > value (without any indication of the index of the domain) to test against, as in -> > (p case 1) or (p case ""). It is designed to be more like a "switch" than to give -> > you information on the element. So I think it is a design flaw in Union. That is -> > why my proposed exports in IndexedUnion does not use "case" at all. Rather, it is -> > simpler to tell the index and value of a member in a disjoint union. (By the -> > way, the idea of "disjoint union" is precisely to allow the same value to wear -> > two or more hats.) -> +> > Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems +> > to be no way to tell even which domain the underlying value of p +> > belongs, so that one cannot distinguish the two cases to implement +> > prj correctly (even if the tags and domains are all distinct). The +> > current "case" requires one to know beforehand the value (without +> > any indication of the index of the domain) to test against, as in +> > (p case 1) or (p case ""). It is designed to be more like a +> > "switch" than to give you information on the element. So I think +> > it is a design flaw in Union. That is why my proposed exports in +> > IndexedUnion does not use "case" at all. Rather, it is simpler to +> > tell the index and value of a member in a disjoint union. (By the +> > way, the idea of "disjoint union" is precisely to allow the same +> > value to wear two or more hats.) + > Yes, the issues involved here have come up in various other `thought > experiments' of my own in an attempt to figure how Spad could be made > more reflexive/introspective. One problem is that the raw @@ -22363,32 +18937,35 @@ no way to discover the index of an element in the union in that case. > There may even be ways to classify a domain as `rich' enough to > warrant if such a representation of its elements is necessary at all. -Surely, there should be ways to avoid redundant or unnecessary baggage. But somewhere, -the type information is kept, perhaps by the interpreter, with each identifier. For -compiled code, there should be less baggage. According to your explanation, I think the -pair representation is sufficient to implement IndexedUnion as a primitive. Note that -at the algebra level, it is not feasible to use Union as Rep because of the design -flaw. +Surely, there should be ways to avoid redundant or unnecessary +baggage. But somewhere, the type information is kept, perhaps by the +interpreter, with each identifier. For compiled code, there should be +less baggage. According to your explanation, I think the pair +representation is sufficient to implement IndexedUnion as a +primitive. Note that at the algebra level, it is not feasible to use +Union as Rep because of the design flaw. > > Do you recall we had a fairly long discussion on dependent types? -> > + > > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/18AxiomDomainsAndAldorReturnTypes -> + > Absolutely I do. In fact, I have reread that exchange several times > over the past few years, as I have been thinking about the issues > involved regularly since that time (as I said, I am a slow learner :). -> -> > I believe I figured out a way to code it in current Axiom, but not that -> > naturally. The idea is to use package or domain constructors, because these -> > clearly allow dependent types. I need to review that to see if it can be applied -> > to IndexedUnion. I have a feeling it is not possible because Record cannot be -> > coerced at the algebra level to take heterogeneous objects. So if you can hack -> > Record into doing that, we can probably implement the exported functions somehow. -> > Certainly, if Record remains primitive, then all the exported functions I -> > proposed can be easily implemented. (Functions implemented in primitive domain -> > such as "case" do not show up in ")di op case" or ")show Union" (but they show up -> > in hyperdoc)). -> + +> > I believe I figured out a way to code it in current Axiom, but not +> > that naturally. The idea is to use package or domain constructors, +> > because these clearly allow dependent types. I need to review that +> > to see if it can be applied to IndexedUnion. I have a feeling it +> > is not possible because Record cannot be coerced at the algebra +> > level to take heterogeneous objects. So if you can hack Record +> > into doing that, we can probably implement the exported functions +> > somehow. Certainly, if Record remains primitive, then all the +> > exported functions I proposed can be easily +> > implemented. (Functions implemented in primitive domain such as +> > "case" do not show up in ")di op case" or ")show Union" (but they +> > show up in hyperdoc)). + > It would be possible today to do this by calling out to Lisp and > carefully choosing a representation there. I believe that would be > entirely equivalent to getting a `hacked' record available which suits @@ -22401,42 +18978,41 @@ flaw. > I understand you are not fluent in the language (many apologies in > advance if that is not accurate!). -"Not fluent" is giving me more credit than I deserve! I am certainly all thumbs when it -comes to lisp and I marvel at you, Tim, Gaby, Waldek and Camm making exchanges (mostly -"gibberish" to me) but understanding one another so easily. (I think if I were to spend -time learning this, I certainly would need literate programming on the level Tim is -advocating! But my objection is that I should NOT be involved in this "mess" because I -am not qualified.) - -In the proposed IndexedUnion, what is missing is the Rep:= Record[index:I, value: -g(i)]. The key is to implement "coerce" since that creates elements of the domain -IndexedUnion, and most likely requires the use of a hash function, especially when the -index set is infinite. It should be possible to implement in lisp all the four -functions ("=", index, value, coerce) and others like outputForm. This way, we do not -have to worry about the "signatures" of "value" having dependent types. It would be -more involved to do so at the algebra level and the implementation would not be -natural. As an experiment, rather than modifying Record, perhaps we can create -IndexedUnion as a primitive type directly (from scratch). - -Whatever the primitive types are, the important thing is that there be a well-designed -user interface (exported functions) on par with all other algebra code. Right now, -Tuple and Union are "inaccessible" from the algebra layer without going to lisp (Record -seems okay ). That is, in my view, a design flaw. They should be designed as if they -were genuine domains (where one can construct elements and extract information from -elements and compute with them). How they are implemented and optimized at the lower -levels should not be of concern to the algebra layer. - -William - - - +"Not fluent" is giving me more credit than I deserve! I am certainly +all thumbs when it comes to lisp and I marvel at you, Tim, Gaby, +Waldek and Camm making exchanges (mostly "gibberish" to me) but +understanding one another so easily. (I think if I were to spend time +learning this, I certainly would need literate programming on the +level Tim is advocating! But my objection is that I should NOT be +involved in this "mess" because I am not qualified.) + +In the proposed IndexedUnion, what is missing is the Rep:= +Record[index:I, value: g(i)]. The key is to implement "coerce" since +that creates elements of the domain IndexedUnion, and most likely +requires the use of a hash function, especially when the index set is +infinite. It should be possible to implement in lisp all the four +functions ("=", index, value, coerce) and others like outputForm. This +way, we do not have to worry about the "signatures" of "value" having +dependent types. It would be more involved to do so at the algebra +level and the implementation would not be natural. As an experiment, +rather than modifying Record, perhaps we can create IndexedUnion as a +primitive type directly (from scratch). + +Whatever the primitive types are, the important thing is that there be +a well-designed user interface (exported functions) on par with all +other algebra code. Right now, Tuple and Union are "inaccessible" from +the algebra layer without going to lisp (Record seems okay ). That is, +in my view, a design flaw. They should be designed as if they were +genuine domains (where one can construct elements and extract +information from elements and compute with them). How they are +implemented and optimized at the lower levels should not be of concern +to the algebra layer. \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 01:18:14 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Jul 2007 01:18:14 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -22470,31 +19046,22 @@ is done. Try GHC. \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:16:23 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 7/13/07, William Sit wrote: -> .. -> Whatever the primitive types are, the important thing is that there be a well-designed -> user interface (exported functions) on par with all other algebra code. Right now, -> Tuple and Union are "inaccessible" from the algebra layer without going to lisp (Record -> seems okay ). That is, in my view, a design flaw. They should be designed as if they -> were genuine domains (where one can construct elements and extract information from -> elements and compute with them). How they are implemented and optimized at the lower -> levels should not be of concern to the algebra layer. -> + +> Whatever the primitive types are, the important thing is that there +> be a well-designed user interface (exported functions) on par with +> all other algebra code. Right now, Tuple and Union are +> "inaccessible" from the algebra layer without going to lisp (Record +> seems okay ). That is, in my view, a design flaw. They should be +> designed as if they were genuine domains (where one can construct +> elements and extract information from elements and compute with +> them). How they are implemented and optimized at the lower levels +> should not be of concern to the algebra layer. +1 Yes, exactly! There should be no need ever to "escape" to lower levels. Already Axiom and Aldor use different internal representations @@ -22568,54 +19135,40 @@ in the choice of primitive types. Further ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topos_theory -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:24:36 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -To: Stephen Wilson, - axiom-devel -Message-id: <46971AA4.BBC78705@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: - - +To: Stephen Wilson William Sit wrote: -> In the proposed IndexedUnion, what is missing is the Rep:= Record[index:I, value: -> g(i)]. +> In the proposed IndexedUnion, what is missing is the Rep:= +> Record[index:I, value: g(i)]. Actually, this can probably be similated by Record(i:I, x:Any) to avoid dependent types. However, there is another problem: the signature of the index map + g: I->List SetCategory -has syntax problem. (So, alas, all my examples inherit this problem.) A list (more -correctly, a set) of domains in the SetCategory is NOT a domain and hence cannot be used as -the target of a map. So we have to turn a list or set into a domain, much like turning a -list of tags into a domain (TagsAsDomain). Here however, we are one level higher because -we are trying to make a set of *domains* such as {Integer, String} into a domain. - -While there is probably a way to do this in Lisp, the question is how should a user of -Axiom input this map g? It looks like we need to capture this at the algebra level and make -all these maps into a domain, too. So domains and perhaps even categories must be first -class objects. Unfortunately, even the domain Any does not capture sets of domains as -objects. This despite the Rep for Any is Record(dm:SExpression, ob:None). The Interpreter -refuses to convert domains into objects of Any. + +has syntax problem. (So, alas, all my examples inherit this problem.) +A list (more correctly, a set) of domains in the SetCategory is NOT a +domain and hence cannot be used as the target of a map. So we have to +turn a list or set into a domain, much like turning a list of tags +into a domain (TagsAsDomain). Here however, we are one level higher +because we are trying to make a set of *domains* such as {Integer, +String} into a domain. + +While there is probably a way to do this in Lisp, the question is how +should a user of Axiom input this map g? It looks like we need to +capture this at the algebra level and make all these maps into a +domain, too. So domains and perhaps even categories must be first +class objects. Unfortunately, even the domain Any does not capture +sets of domains as objects. This despite the Rep for Any is +Record(dm:SExpression, ob:None). The Interpreter refuses to convert +domains into objects of Any. -> (1) k:List Any:= [Integer, String] @@ -22625,33 +19178,29 @@ refuses to convert domains into objects of Any. In summary, we need: -(1) make a list or set of domains from SetCategory (or any category) a legal construction -(2) SetAsDomain to convert a list or set of domains (or elements, or maps, perhaps or -categories) as a domain of SetCategory -(3) Record to accept dependent types, such as [i: I, x:g(i)] -(4) maps such as g: I -> SetAsDomain([Integer, String]) should be first class objects and -used as parameters, and definable in the Interpreter. - -The construction is related to the bug in Union when the domains are not distinct (but the -tags are): In Union(a:A, b:B) where A = B, the two coerce functions (one from A to % and -one from B to %) coincides, with no way to distinguish the two. - -William - +(1) make a list or set of domains from SetCategory (or any category) a +legal construction +(2) SetAsDomain to convert a list or set of domains (or elements, or +maps, perhaps or categories) as a domain of SetCategory +(3) Record to accept dependent types, such as [i: I, x:g(i)] +(4) maps such as g: I -> SetAsDomain([Integer, String]) should be +first class objects and used as parameters, and definable in the +Interpreter. +The construction is related to the bug in Union when the domains are +not distinct (but the tags are): In Union(a:A, b:B) where A = B, the +two coerce functions (one from A to % and one from B to %) coincides, +with no way to distinguish the two. \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:26:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis =--- union-test.spad ---- > @@ -22679,16 +19228,11 @@ so if you write as above, that should be a type error. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 01:39:43 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Literate Programming -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Jul 2007 01:39:43 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -22702,24 +19246,12 @@ syntactic format. In fact, the working Haskellers of GHC are not dogmatic about LHS at all -- they always warmly welcome newcomers and try to retain the existing ones. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 03:12:01 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 13 Jul 2007 03:12:01 -0400 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - axiom-devel +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Ralf, @@ -22777,28 +19309,12 @@ On the contrary, it is a call to: which is well typed. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 03:24:42 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> - <87tzs893r2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 13 Jul 2007 03:24:42 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -22819,41 +19335,19 @@ Sorry. Again it is late. Spad will perform automatic coercions for you from type Rep to type %, which is clearly the key point here. Often there is no need for `rep' and `per' as in Aldor. - -Sincerley, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:24:29 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad (Correction) -To: Stephen Wilson, - Gabriel Dos Reis, - Bill Page , - Waldek Hebisch, - axiom-devel -Message-id: <469736BD.16FFC8E2@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: +To: Stephen Wilson, Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch + -I made some erratic comments (attached below) on design flaw in Union that was based on -hyperdoc documentation. Since hyperdoc does not allow insertion of parameters for Union -(for unknown reasons), I was "misled". Thanks to Stephen's reply to Ralf's comments, I now -learn that the )show command does allow that and the set of exported functions are slightly -different. +I made some erratic comments (attached below) on design flaw in Union +that was based on hyperdoc documentation. Since hyperdoc does not +allow insertion of parameters for Union (for unknown reasons), I was +"misled". Thanks to Stephen's reply to Ralf's comments, I now learn +that the )show command does allow that and the set of exported +functions are slightly different. Here is the exports for : (1) -> )show Union(tag1:Integer, tag2:Integer) @@ -22865,17 +19359,20 @@ Here is the exports for : construct : Integer -> % construct : Integer -> % ?.? : (%,tag1) -> Integer ?.? : (%,tag2) -> Integer -(There were only "=", "case" and "coerce" in hyperdoc and their usages for "case" in +(There were only "=", "case" and "coerce" in hyperdoc and their usages +for "case" in + Union(a:A, b:B): x case y (x: %, y: A) returns an element of Boolean x case y (x:%, y:B) returns an element of Boolean were wrong). -It is not possible to construct elements in the above domain and specify which copy of -Integer in the Union one wants the input to below. There are two "construct" but they have -the same signature and so the Interpreter will simply select the first. So while there is -still some design flaw, it is possible to distinguish the cases. However, there is still -some bug: +It is not possible to construct elements in the above domain and +specify which copy of Integer in the Union one wants the input to +below. There are two "construct" but they have the same signature and +so the Interpreter will simply select the first. So while there is +still some design flaw, it is possible to distinguish the cases. +However, there is still some bug: (1) -> dom:=Union(tag1:Integer, tag2:Integer) @@ -22905,8 +19402,8 @@ Perhaps a better error message should be given, like: protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL) -It is not clear what function is called to evaluate the next one, but the "coerce" works as -given in hyperdoc. +It is not clear what function is called to evaluate the next one, but +the "coerce" works as given in hyperdoc. (6) -> coerce(j1)@Integer @@ -22935,58 +19432,12 @@ given in hyperdoc. Type: Integer -William -------- - -William Sit wrote: - -> The design flaw in Union is the exported functions currently do not allow branch -> specification, even though the lisp representation is "indexed" (but without type info, -> according to you, below). So there is no way to even coerce (the provided function in -> Union) an element correctly if the domains AND the tags are not distinct. And there is -> no way to discover the index of an element in the union in that case. -> -> > > Unfortunately, for the current Union implementation, there seems to be no way to -> > > tell even which domain the underlying value of p belongs, so that one cannot -> > > distinguish the two cases to implement prj correctly (even if the tags and -> > > domains are all distinct). The current "case" requires one to know beforehand the -> > > value (without any indication of the index of the domain) to test against, as in -> > > (p case 1) or (p case ""). It is designed to be more like a "switch" than to give -> > > you information on the element. So I think it is a design flaw in Union. That is -> > > why my proposed exports in IndexedUnion does not use "case" at all. Rather, it is -> > > simpler to tell the index and value of a member in a disjoint union. (By the -> > > way, the idea of "disjoint union" is precisely to allow the same value to wear -> > > two or more hats.) -> ->> The construction is related to the bug in Union when the domains are not distinct (but ->> the ->> tags are): In Union(a:A, b:B) where A = B, the two coerce functions (one from A to % ->> and ->> one from B to %) coincides, with no way to distinguish the two. -> - -Should be the two "construct" functions. - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:33:39 -0400 From: William Sit +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Unions in Spad -To: Bill Page -Message-id: <469738E3.EB7B508@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Dear Bill: @@ -23034,26 +19485,11 @@ What do we have now that the earlier developers don't have that makes you think this time around, we can do better (other than because computers are faster)? -William - - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 03:45:02 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> - <87tzs893r2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87ps2w935x.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 13 Jul 2007 03:45:02 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -23085,19 +19521,12 @@ tree I have both per and rep -- but unlike Aldor, they are not macros: they are built-in operators. Ideally, I would like to see pretend uses close to zero. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:10:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> <87tzs893r2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> Stephen, have you ever thought about the difference between Rep and %? @@ -23255,19 +19684,11 @@ main(); Write the same program in SPAD and compile it. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:40:45 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: rep, per, Rep in SPAD/Aldor, was: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> <87tzs893r2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <87ps2w935x.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87sl7sr8tt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: axiom-devel > However, many times I've come across to bugs in the Spad compiler > either unable to perform that automatic conversion, or that automatic @@ -23328,36 +19749,21 @@ keywords. That is too restrictive. I am not a language guy so please point me to the nonsense that I have written. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:15:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Ralf Hemmecke -Subject: Re: rep, per, Rep in SPAD/Aldor, was: Re: Unions - in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> - <87tzs893r2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87ps2w935x.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87sl7sr8tt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <4697489D.9080403@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-devel +Subject: Re: rep, per, Rep in SPAD/Aldor, was: Re: Unions in Spad On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: -| rep, per, Rep are *not* part of the Aldor language. (Gaby, I know that you -| know.) Although, all this macro business is a bit hard to understand, I would -| not really agree to add rep, per, and Rep to the language specification. The -| "pretend" is enough. I would only say that they should become part of the -| language if "pretend" disappears. but then we trade one construct for three. -| And maybe "pretend" cannot be made superfluous. +| rep, per, Rep are *not* part of the Aldor language. (Gaby, I know +| that you know.) Although, all this macro business is a bit hard to +| understand, I would not really agree to add rep, per, and Rep to the +| language specification. The "pretend" is enough. I would only say +| that they should become part of the language if "pretend" +| disappears. but then we trade one construct for three. And maybe +| "pretend" cannot be made superfluous. I don't suggest that "pretend" be removed. Just like general casts in C, or similar constructs in other languages, I don't think it should be @@ -23428,16 +19834,11 @@ that in the code and actually use Spad categories? Well, I'm not a language designer by education. Only by experience and as a user. So don't dimunish yourself :-) --- Gaby - - - \start -Subject: Re: 2.7 build -To: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:15:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: Re: 2.7 build Camm Maguire wrote: > > I am working with the same tree as my first trial at gcl-2.7 build, namely @@ -23464,29 +19865,10 @@ However it is likely that wrong results are just due to few bugs... I also re-tried build at safety 1: it fails early (more details in another mail). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:57:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <46971AF9.4030103@hemmecke.de> - <87tzs893r2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87ps2w935x.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87sl7sr8tt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <4697489D.9080403@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: axiom-devel , aldor-l Subject: Re: rep, per, Rep in SPAD/Aldor On 07/13/2007 12:15 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -23720,17 +20102,11 @@ Sorry, Gaby, I have not really responded to that categorial view in your statement above. I think I don't understand it properly. Could you elaborate and add a bit of your wisdom. -Thank you -Ralf - - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:22:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging > Greetings! Again, I get > @@ -23772,18 +20148,12 @@ Now, # is IMHO very strong indication of memory corruption (I see no legal way to produce it). OTOH the vector (value of '#1') you see is clearly wrong in this place, but it looks like normal Axiom domain vector. So ATM it not clear if both failures are related. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 14:20:49 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 13 Jul 2007 14:20:49 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -23901,35 +20271,13 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > (I see no legal way to produce it). OTOH the vector (value of '#1') > you see is clearly wrong in this place, but it looks like normal > Axiom domain vector. So ATM it not clear if both failures are related. -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:44:04 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis See below... @@ -24014,19 +20362,12 @@ prj1 b2 = woodpecker:~> Does that make someone more happy? -Ralf - - - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:10:33 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis >> So you can see from your example that i1 and i2 give, respectively, >> (0 . 1) and (0 . 2), thus inj1 and inj2 are placing their values @@ -24081,15 +20422,11 @@ main(): () == { main(); ------------------- - - \start Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:56:32 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46971AA4.BBC78705@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: axiom-devel > However, there is another problem: the signature of the index map > g: I->List SetCategory @@ -24114,16 +20451,12 @@ Interesting. Now you also stumble over the same problem. http://www.aldor.org/pipermail/aldor-l/2007-June/000640.html -Ralf - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:18:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Camm Maguire, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: list Subject: Gcl-2.6.8 on Intel Solaris 10 +Cc: Camm Maguire I have now found reason for wrong results on Intel Solaris 10. Namely, gcl compiled some floating point functions assuming @@ -24158,19 +20491,11 @@ Linux. #if !defined(HAVE_LIBBFD) && !defined(USE_DLOPEN) #define __ELF_NATIVE_CLASS 32 - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 17:26:19 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 13 Jul 2007 17:26:19 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -24188,21 +20513,11 @@ not with any segfault. Again, but in a different place: Same function that you found with the objnull. Question -- what function(s) write this source? -Take care, --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 17:41:02 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Gcl-2.6.8 on Intel Solaris 10 -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 13 Jul 2007 17:41:02 -0400 -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list, - gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings, and thanks! This is in now in Version_2_6_8pre. @@ -24245,32 +20560,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > #if !defined(HAVE_LIBBFD) && !defined(USE_DLOPEN) > #define __ELF_NATIVE_CLASS 32 > -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:29:46 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: David Bindel +Cc: David Bindel Subject: Literate Programming Having reread what I wrote about David Bindel's literate tool dsbweb @@ -24278,16 +20572,11 @@ I want to clarify that I classified the tool as semi-literate. I was not, and never intended to imply, that David was semi-literate. That is reasonably clear but I just want to make it exactly clear. -Tim - - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:02:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging > Greetings! > @@ -26396,7 +22685,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:18:44 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: 2.7 build @@ -26642,23 +22931,12 @@ inspiration for making it work in arbitrary functions (after all, the mechanics is effectively already in place for dependent types as handled by domain constructors). - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:50:35 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: compiler.boot issue #370 patch -Stephen, - I pushed the compiler.boot patch. I also re-engineered the testing machinery so the unit test spad code @@ -26667,19 +22945,12 @@ now run during build time and then the regression machinery tests the result. This is general purpose and we can write spad code in input files for unit testing, somewhat like the AldorUnit idea. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:58:05 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: 2.7 build -Stephen, - > Perhaps there is a way to avoid the inclusion of a gcl tarball? Given > the regular updates to gcl it helps a great deal to link our build > image using a suitable gcl in ones path. Thus if gcl changes we @@ -26690,15 +22961,10 @@ A popular idea. Let me know when you get this working. I'll include the patch. Be certain that changes to gcl don't break axiom builds under the new scheme. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 13 Jul 2007 22:03:41 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: compiler.boot issue #370 patch Tim Daly writes: @@ -26715,20 +22981,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: Excellent! Thanks a lot for implementing this! - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 13 Jul 2007 22:04:26 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 13 Jul 2007 22:04:26 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! And thanks for the report! @@ -26948,7 +23205,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:51:17 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: 2.7 build @@ -27378,7 +23635,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:15:07 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: 2.7 build @@ -27558,7 +23815,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:41:53 +0200 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis From: Christian Aistleitner <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -27585,14 +23842,14 @@ te: > Foo: with { > coerce: Integer -> %; > test?: % -> Boolean; -> } =3D=3D add { -> Rep =3D=3D String; +> } == add { +> Rep == String; > ... > } > > and mean something like > -> Foo =3D ((%, Integer, Boolean), (coerce, test?)) +> Foo = ((%, Integer, Boolean), (coerce, test?)) > > in the multisorted algebra sense. We don't actually make Integer and > Boolean (not String) an argument to Foo or "with", they are implicit. @@ -27609,7 +23866,7 @@ part)? > Now let us look to the "add" part. There we have yet another domain, > namely Rep. Inside "add" we actually consider an algebra like > -> Foo' =3D ((%, Rep, Integer, Boolean), (coerce, test?, per, rep)) +> Foo' = ((%, Rep, Integer, Boolean), (coerce, test?, per, rep)) > > Hmmm, I have just cooked that all up right now, but it seems a pretty > coherent view on domains. @@ -27634,17 +23891,17 @@ r = macro expansion, I'd expect to get - Foo' =3D ((%, Rep, Integer, Boolean), (coerce, test?)) + Foo' = ((%, Rep, Integer, Boolean), (coerce, test?)) . And that is just what you get when using the interactive loop: > aldor -gloop > %1 >> #include "aldor" > %2 >> #include "aldorinterp" -> %3 >> add {Rep=3D=3DString;coerce(z:Integer):%=3D=3Dper -> "int";test?(x:%):Boolean=3D=3Dtrue} +> %3 >> add {Rep==String;coerce(z:Integer):%==per +> "int";test?(x:%):Boolean==true} > () @ with -> Rep: ? =3D=3D String +> Rep: ? == String > coerce: (z: AldorInteger) -> % > test?: (x: %) -> Boolean @@ -28028,7 +24285,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:17:50 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: noweb syntax @@ -28572,13 +24829,9 @@ work within the chunk. To get typeset mathematics use \( and \) -- This will typeset in a chunk \( x^2+\epsilon \) -- And you can format things {\bf bold} -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:22:35 -0400 -From: David Bindel +From: David Bindel To: list Subject: Literate programming thoughts @@ -28837,17 +25090,11 @@ wonder sometimes whether others don't feel the same, and if this is part of why I know so few multi-developer projects based on literate programming techniques. - - \start -To: Ralf Hemmecke - <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Jul 2007 16:35:41 +0200 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page, - axiom-dev , daly@users.sourceforge.net +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page, Subject: Time to say good bye to Tim. Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -28879,34 +25126,21 @@ If you agree, I'd suggest to start with either build-improvements or wh-sandbox as silver and gold, and continue work in a democratic setting for these two special branches. - -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:20:14 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - Martin Rubey -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke, Martin Rubey Subject: Axiom community goals Ralf, Martin, http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-07/msg00159.html -Tim - - - \start +Date: 15 Jul 2007 17:04:03 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 15 Jul 2007 17:04:03 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings, and thanks! The problem is that the global entries to the functions returning double float etc. are not being writtin into @@ -29123,46 +25357,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > 0. In 2.7.0 compiled interpsys (the one from the failing build) I get > # > -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:28:47 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Unions in Spad To: Stephen Wilson -Message-id: <469A918F.1ED7E5B4@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <46971AA4.BBC78705@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ps2v7i3p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel - -Stephen Wilson wrote: +Subject: Re: Unions in Spad > William Sit writes: > > In summary, we need: @@ -29476,22 +25675,10 @@ lowered g:I->List MyDomain instead (it's a function rather than the domain const Will try some more when I have more time. Meanwhile, any help is welcome. - - - -William - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:59:00 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit, Stephen Wilson Subject: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc William, Stephen, @@ -29500,29 +25687,11 @@ In the src/doc/developernotes.pamphlet (mnt/linux/doc/developernotes.dvi) you'll find a section on Axiom Internal Representation that might be of interest. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 15 Jul 2007 22:25:41 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: William Sit Subject: Re: Unions in Spad - <46915756.7010300@hemmecke.de> <87vecuh8cl.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87myy33x6c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <46971AA4.BBC78705@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ps2v7i3p.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <469A918F.1ED7E5B4@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 15 Jul 2007 22:25:41 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Hello William, @@ -29754,30 +25923,15 @@ Looking at the AxiomColloquium page and experimenting with the code you have there will give me some `hands on' examples to work with. Of course I will let you know of any progress. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 15 Jul 2007 23:21:40 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: 2.7 build - <87tzs77jak.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54d4yvtwvx.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87k5t37dsw.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87zm1y68vd.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 15 Jul 2007 23:21:40 -0400 -Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! This should be working now, though the fix could be better. Please let me know if problems persist. -Take care, - - Stephen Wilson writes: > Hello Camm, @@ -29857,28 +26011,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > #1 LOAD {pn=#P"/home/steve/tmp/test.o",args=(nil nil),loc2=(#<@0128AC00> nil nil),loc3=(...} [ihs=3] > #2 EVAL {loc0=nil,loc1=nil,loc2=nil,loc3=#} [ihs=2] > >> -> -> Thanks, -> Steve -> -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:37:19 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit, Stephen Wilson Subject: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc Steven, @@ -29931,16 +26068,11 @@ Now we see the OPERATIONALIST has been populated. Further details are in src/doc/developernotes.pamphlet. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 15 Jul 2007 23:48:21 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 15 Jul 2007 23:48:21 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! The disassemble bug we saw earlier (end of file) is due to a redefinition of compiler::gazonk-name somewhere in your tree. (We @@ -29950,18 +26082,11 @@ Would it be possible to summarize any gcl lisp functions for which patching/redefinition is felt necessary in axiom, and work toward eliminating same? The current situation will just create more work as GCL and axiom evolve. --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 16 Jul 2007 00:18:03 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc Tim, @@ -29982,19 +26107,10 @@ This one I was unaware of. Thanks! I have read this several times, but with wide spans of time in between readings. Certainly not committed to memory, by any stretch. - -Thanks again, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:31:14 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc. As these discussions proceed I'm trying to write up the details we @@ -30007,18 +26123,11 @@ domain, etc. However, caching these discussions is an epsilon move closer to that goal. With pictures, circle and arrows, and a paragraph on the back explaining each one. :-) -Tim - - - - \start +Date: 16 Jul 2007 00:35:24 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: debugging - <54ejj9ggai.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 16 Jul 2007 00:35:24 -0400 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: @@ -30039,21 +26148,12 @@ tell, for Axiom to insist on trying to manage GCL internals or patch. We can always work towards enriching exported interfaces if needed in the future. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 16 Jul 2007 00:40:56 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp representation of Union, Record, etc. - Indeed, I was thinking about adding to developernotes as well. Its a personal wish that GIT was a bit more widely used, thus enabling @@ -30064,23 +26164,11 @@ But perhaps it is not such a difficult thing, as I am not familiar with the compatibility tools which would allow an SVN user, say, to follow that kind of development in a convenient way. -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:15:52 -0400 From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> - <9qir8lbupu.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page, - axiom-dev , daly@users.sourceforge.net +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page, Subject: Re: [NOT :-)] Time to say good bye to Tim. Dear Martin: @@ -30229,28 +26317,12 @@ to leave it. Enjoy your vacation, in any case. I wish I have one. -William - - - - - - - - - \start -To: William Sit - <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> - <9qir8lbupu.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> - <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Jul 2007 08:13:40 +0200 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page, - axiom-dev , daly@users.sourceforge.net +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: [NOT :-)] Time to say good bye to Tim. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page, Dear William, @@ -30266,23 +26338,12 @@ submitted patches yesterday (and several times before) that I cannot "contribute" if somebody else is running amok. -Martin - - - - \start -To: William Sit - <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> - <9qir8lbupu.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> - <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Jul 2007 08:45:11 +0200 -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page, - axiom-dev , daly@users.sourceforge.net +From: Martin Rubey +To: William Sit Subject: Re: [NOT :-)] Time to say good bye to Tim. +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page, Sorry, I forgot to mention two things, lest somebody follows your argumentation: @@ -30317,25 +26378,11 @@ But really, most important is that is just completely misleading. He puts up principles for others, but himself commits happily undocumented and broken code. - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:21:48 -0400 From: William Sit To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <469B70EC.3A93B624@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <469A21C4.1040109@hemmecke.de> <9qir8lbupu.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> - <469AFF08.7FF80075@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <9qir8kalu0.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, - Waldek Hebisch , - Bill Page, - axiom-dev , daly@users.sourceforge.net +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis, Waldek Hebisch, Bill Page, Subject: Re: [NOT :-)] Time to say good bye to Tim. Dear All: @@ -30382,25 +26429,11 @@ And as to Martin's accusations of Tim's recent actions, Tim has to answer them (at least that would clarify things and remove possible misunderstandings). -William - - - - - - - - - \start +Date: 16 Jul 2007 22:36:00 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: axiom-devel Subject: Re: 2.7 build - <87tzsabxlh.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <54myy23dbs.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> - <87bqeibpj5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87lkdj98mi.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 16 Jul 2007 22:36:00 -0400 Cc: Camm Maguire, Gabriel Dos Reis --=-=-= @@ -32511,14 +28544,10 @@ index 6a2bc3a..11daff0 100644 --=-=-=-- - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:26:42 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +To: Stephen Wilson +From: Tim Daly Subject: hyperdoc The hyperdoc error occurs occurs because ht.db is incorrect. @@ -32527,15 +28556,10 @@ and typing htadd *.ht *.pht -Tim - - - \start -To: Camm Maguire -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 16 Jul 2007 23:50:54 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Camm Maguire Subject: gclcvs-2.7.0 sputc error Camm, @@ -32745,19 +28769,10 @@ Disassembly of section .text: e2: c3 ret NIL - - -Sincerely, -Stevev - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 16 Jul 2007 23:58:56 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: hyperdoc Tim Daly writes: @@ -32774,17 +28789,10 @@ Perhaps this is an issue with my restarting the build several times while working around the segfault issue. I might ask you for more advice if the problem persists after a make clean. - -Steve - - - - \start -To: Stephen Wilson -From: Camm Maguire Date: 17 Jul 2007 10:23:33 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Camm Maguire +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: gclcvs-2.7.0 sputc error Greetings, and thanks! Should be fixed now. At some point the io @@ -33002,30 +29010,13 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > e2: c3 ret > NIL > -> -> -> Sincerely, -> Stevev -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 12:29:33 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Pamphlets and LaTex - Tim, I have been trying to get a clear picture of the literate future for @@ -33058,42 +29049,24 @@ achieve with latex only pamphlets. In the latex only approach, I cannot find any gains in flexibility. - In short, I am advocating we stick with noweb syntax with a view towards extending the capabilities as demanded by future needs. Of course, I am still open to being convinced otherwise. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:27:14 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: votes There are 97 people subscribed to the Axiom mailing list. Please explain how you plan to garner 49 votes for anything. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:32:54 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: votes In a model that encourages 97 branches (I have more than a dozen @@ -33101,29 +29074,19 @@ locally) and any one branch can be the next Gold, how do you propose that a developer contribute a change? Where would they contribute it to? -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:34:02 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: votes You've made the claim twice that the gclweb change broke code. Please give an example of something that broke due to the gclweb change. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:45:27 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlets and Latex > I believe you already have a good idea of the concepts involved here. @@ -33164,15 +29127,10 @@ like the published bookvol1 is pure, unwoven latex. Please explain why you think latex syntax is ambiguous. -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 Jul 2007 23:46:12 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: votes Tim Daly writes: @@ -33215,17 +29173,10 @@ Three remarks: keep refereeing and voting two distinct processes. Peer review is a great thing, but it's not a substitute for democracy. - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 17 Jul 2007 23:56:57 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: votes Tim Daly writes: @@ -33252,16 +29203,10 @@ private mail, I wrote: there is no trunk, but only Gold, and popular vote decides what's going to be next Gold. That way one looses some stability, though. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:09:37 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlets and Latex Tim Daly writes: @@ -33348,17 +29293,10 @@ as we wish to work towards concepts such as the Crystal, we need pamphlets. Embedding the concept of a pamphlet in LaTeX, which itself does not understand the term... therein lies the ambiguity. - -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:15:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: votes The current widespread model is that a project maintains a stable @@ -33385,15 +29323,10 @@ Please explain why you feel, as a self-declared algebra developer, you have a need to vote on machinery (gclweb.lisp) below the algebra which enables function you will never use. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:25:29 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: votes > A vote is triggered by anybody on axiom-developer saying: stop, I'd like to @@ -33413,31 +29346,20 @@ Suppose you reject changes that Waldek has made. What would you feel would be a rational response from Waldek? -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:26:45 -0500 -To: list -Cc: +From: Tim Daly Subject: availability I'm going off-list at 7pm EST and will be away on business until friday. Since my mail server cannot be reached externally I won't be able to read or respond to emails. -Tim - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:27:37 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: votes -Cc: list I think this quote from Karl Fogel's book (http://producingoss.com/) answers your question: @@ -33481,23 +29403,11 @@ On 7/18/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > Please explain why you feel, as a self-declared algebra developer, > you have a need to vote on machinery (gclweb.lisp) below the algebra > which enables function you will never use. -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:35:17 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: availability > Now you could argue that we could scan the latex file and infer the @@ -33532,16 +29442,10 @@ eventually it should be I though I explained this clearly in the prior, unintentionall offlist notes. - -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:49:54 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: availability Tim Daly writes: @@ -33570,24 +29474,10 @@ week. Thanks for taking the time to engage in this discussion. - -Steve - - - - - - - - - - - \start -To: axiom-devel - <87ps2qoiqd.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:52:43 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: axiom-devel Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex *, @@ -33875,18 +29765,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > Tim, I really think we are on the same page here, we both see the same > kinds of possibilities. Please reconsider the LateX only approach. > Its but one facet of a pamphlet. -> -> -> Sincerley, -> Steve - - - \start Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:53:37 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: axiom-devel +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward to axiom-devel: @@ -33910,16 +29793,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > Why do you believe otherwise? > -> Tim - - - \start -To: axiom-devel - <87hco2ohem.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:54:21 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -33947,17 +29825,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > I belive we need to distinguish explicitly the differences. A weave > stage within a custom tool could perform the evaluation and substitue > the result into pure LaTeX. -> -> -> Steve - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:55:17 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: axiom-devel Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -33969,17 +29841,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > We did. The mailing list discussion was endless. > Check the archives. -> -> Tim - - - \start -To: axiom-devel - <87d4yqoh90.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:55:36 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -34003,16 +29869,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > Moreover, we are still using a tool which does not satisfy our > requirements. The hacked version of noweb we use does not qualify in > my mind as being a smarter tool. -> -> Steve - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:55:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -34023,16 +29884,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: > So you're proposing yet another syntax? Non-noweb, non-latex? > How would it work? What are the advantages/disadvantages. > -> Tim - - - \start -To: axiom-devel - <878x9eogz1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:56:27 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -34064,17 +29920,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > unambiguous notation which we can accurately parse and transform. > Using latex syntax is ambiguous. Thats the main advantage, but a big > one with real technical advantages. -> -> -> Steve - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:56:49 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -34100,17 +29950,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: > > but the weave step, would also allow us to input such a command > to axiom and use it to create hyperdoc pages. -> -> Tim - - - \start -To: axiom-devel - <874pk2oge9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:57:14 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: list Subject: Re: Pamphlets and LaTex Forward: @@ -34155,19 +29999,12 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > be processed by anyone. But what are the advantages of disguising > meta information in that file? What are the disadvantages of needing > to weave a pamphlet to get that one thing you need to share? -> -> -> Steve - - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:31:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging > Greetings! The disassemble bug we saw earlier (end of file) is due to > a redefinition of compiler::gazonk-name somewhere in your tree. (We @@ -34202,19 +30039,11 @@ all dependencies are conditional (otherwise sbcl/clisp port would not work). My intension is keep non-portable (using conditionals) code separately from the rest of Axiom. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:36:14 -0700 (PDT) +To: Stephen Wilson From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -To: Stephen Wilson, - axiom-devel -Cc: I'll confess I'm a bit confused, but that may be my fault. Questions: @@ -34284,23 +30113,11 @@ themselves to having pieces mixed and matched. Am I missing something here? Help! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start +Date: 17 Jul 2007 19:40:50 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 17 Jul 2007 19:40:50 -0400 -Cc: Camm Maguire, list Waldek Hebisch writes: > ... I belive that for Axiom the best way would be to create @@ -34309,21 +30126,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: Any reason why the exported si:*tmp-dir* does not suffice? -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - - - \start +Date: 17 Jul 2007 20:25:37 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 17 Jul 2007 20:25:37 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -34471,21 +30278,11 @@ displayed when you pass the wrong type to factorGroebnerBasis? I hope that helps clarify my position a bit. Lets keep discussing this as I think it is of hugely important for Axiom! - - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:49:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging Camm Maguire wrote: > Greetings, and thanks! The problem is that the global entries to the @@ -34599,19 +30396,11 @@ the result from stage 2 compilation. Comparing with the Lisp file obtained separately I see some differences, but none which can explain different behavior of object code. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-devel - +Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -34804,25 +30593,11 @@ structure in the scan. Then, if the scan function is being called by a command other than the basic tangle and weave, the callee could look for options pertaining to its particular function. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -It's here! Your new message! -Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. -http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:58:11 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex - <87d4yqlfr2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel On Wed, 17 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -34878,15 +30653,11 @@ use emacs all the time, and I like syntax highlighting. But I think it is rather easy to teach this emacs mode to recognize \begin{chunk}{foo} and \end{chunk} instead of <>= and @. - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 01:04:37 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 18 Jul 2007 01:04:37 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -35164,23 +30935,11 @@ However, using just the raw notion of a `chunk' is not enough. It would be like trying to define mathematics using the single axiom "if a < b and a > b, then a = b" (well, maybe not quite that extreme :). - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 01:18:12 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Andrey G. Grozin Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex - <87d4yqlfr2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 18 Jul 2007 01:18:12 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Andrey G. Grozin writes: [...] @@ -35226,19 +30985,11 @@ twice rather than just once, the duplicity is that the entities needed to describe what you wrote are replicated in various software tools, with no clean unifying relationship. - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:30:57 -0400 From: Cliff Yapp To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex - <87zm1ujo9m.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel Stephen Wilson wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -35522,16 +31273,10 @@ per-language. I think I'm beginning to see - does the above roughly represent what you're thinking? -Cheers, -CY - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Jul 2007 08:58:56 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: votes Tim Daly writes: @@ -35545,16 +31290,10 @@ LaTeX style chunk delimiters break * Possibly they break nested chunks. * Possibly they also break usage of \/ (= or) and /\ (= and) in code. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:11:52 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: votes Ondrej has already answered for the emotional side. I try to add a tiny bit on @@ -35603,20 +31342,11 @@ that this experimental Branch may be a *very* good thing. I'll leave until August 9 today evening, and will not have access to mail. -All the best, - -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:21:55 +0200 (CEST) -From: Ayal +From: Ayal Pinkus To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: votes -Cc: list - Hi, As a fellow maintainer of a competing CAS system (Yacas) I have been @@ -35683,25 +31413,15 @@ Different branches are maybe not a bad idea, just like having different systems is not a bad idea per se. The different systems have different properties, and are useful in different situations. -Regards, -Ayal - - - - - - - \start -To: Ayal -Subject: re: votes -From: Martin Rubey Date: 18 Jul 2007 13:40:49 +0200 -Cc: list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Ayal Pinkus +Subject: re: votes Dear Ayal, -Ayal writes: +Ayal Ayal Pinkus writes: > A democracy is not always the best approach. @@ -35768,24 +31488,17 @@ will be problematic for many people. In this case, axiom can stop development immediately. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:51:50 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: votes - <9qbqea2b3y.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:51:50 -0500 -Cc: list Martin Rubey writes: | Dear Ayal, | -| Ayal writes: +| Ayal Ayal Pinkus writes: | | > A democracy is not always the best approach. @@ -35826,29 +31539,21 @@ If Axiom is supposed to be just a hobby, then it makes sense that it is just one man's toy. But then, that should be said clearly so as not to waste the working scientists resource. --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:52:46 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Axiom trademark Groklaw has just put up a page related to trademarks, both common law and registered: -http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070717095916179 - - +http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story070717095916179 \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 11:55:24 -0400 +From: Camm Maguire To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: re: debugging -From: Camm Maguire -Date: 18 Jul 2007 11:55:24 -0400 -Cc: list Greetings! @@ -35991,27 +31696,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes: > obtained separately I see some differences, but none which can explain > different behavior of object code. > -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 12:26:05 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex - <87zm1ujo9m.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <469DB3A1.3070601@yahoo.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 18 Jul 2007 12:26:05 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff, @@ -36113,22 +31802,11 @@ Lets use +++ comments for spad, docstrings for lisp. I am not aware of a convention for boot, probably just preceding a function with -- comments would be enough for now. - - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 11:51:52 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: debugging - <544pk11zbn.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 18 Jul 2007 11:51:52 -0500 -Cc: list Camm Maguire writes: @@ -36141,17 +31819,11 @@ Camm Maguire writes: Axiom should be fixed not to use 'fixed-args. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-devel - +Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -36238,23 +31910,11 @@ to be immediately available for any updates. Sounds good. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 20:38:11 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 18 Jul 2007 20:38:11 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff Yapp writes: > > In some ways the discussion has strayed from the original question @@ -36304,20 +31964,11 @@ So basically, if it is something you want to do, go for it :) If someone tells me they think some work of mine is flawed in some way that would not necessarily stop me from plugging away at it! - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start -Subject: re: debugging -To: Camm Maguire Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:49:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Camm Maguire +Subject: re: debugging > Greetings! > @@ -36356,20 +32007,11 @@ I would like the 'fixed-args property to go away. However, we need to some work to make Axiom faster and to know which techniques are effective. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-devel - +Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -36429,23 +32071,11 @@ one having to come back and do this again later?" cl-web was apparently a failure in that respect - my current goal is to understand what needs to be done to ensure it doesn't happen again. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. -http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 22:51:04 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 18 Jul 2007 22:51:04 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff, *, @@ -36467,20 +32097,11 @@ I sincerely hope that others will chime in and back the approach I am advocating, or perhaps something simillar. I have yet to see what is lost by adopting it. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: axiom-devel +Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -36521,23 +32142,11 @@ about it, y'all? - work has been very time consuming the last few days and that has slowed me down :-(. ) -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start +Date: 18 Jul 2007 23:43:19 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 18 Jul 2007 23:43:19 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff Yapp writes: > (Steve, I do plan to go over your code in more detail, once I get time @@ -36549,19 +32158,11 @@ last copy. When you have the time, just ask and I will send you the latest. That way you will get any bug fixes, new features, etc, which get implemented between now and then. -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 19 Jul 2007 00:01:25 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: votes - <9qbqea2b3y.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 19 Jul 2007 00:01:25 -0400 -Cc: list Dear Martin, @@ -36600,18 +32201,10 @@ I ask that you consider the notion that mutual respect and cooperation can serve as a basis for the Axiom community. The only trick is that it takes everyone involved to make an effort in that direction. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:57:36 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Democracy! Martin, @@ -36635,17 +32228,11 @@ I only ask that you maintain and expand silver. Congratulations, Mr. President. The future of Axiom is now in your hands. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:01:40 +0200 (CEST) -From: Ayal +From: Ayal Pinkus To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: votes -Cc: list - Hi Martin, @@ -36718,18 +32305,12 @@ the rules. Not necessarily. Just create a fork of the project, and pursue the different vision in that fork. -Ayal - - - - \start +Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:03:04 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:03:04 -0500 -Cc: axiom-devel Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -36769,16 +32350,11 @@ So my conclusion is: We are dealing with computers and software, not abstract theorems :-) --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:35:20 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Democracy! -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:35:20 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -36794,15 +32370,10 @@ Tim Daly writes: So, is it correct that your answer to "get more inclusive" is "I'm stepping away"? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:56:51 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Democracy! Gaby, @@ -36830,17 +32401,11 @@ is dropped. I'm also waiting for Martin to create a branch, merge his algebra, and post a patch so we can vote on it. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-devel - +Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -36935,23 +32500,11 @@ Perhaps it is not possible to both achieve the speed and keep the code easily understandable/flexible, but I would like to arrive at a solution in Lisp that everyone can support. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:42:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -Cc: axiom-devel On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -37015,11 +32568,9 @@ My point is that the fundamental technology that drives the computers is moving fast, and you're aiming at a moving target. That is unlike the fundmental technology behind abstract algebra. - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:33:47 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list Subject: Open source development - a useful resource @@ -37034,16 +32585,11 @@ http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/ It seems that chapter 4, "Social and Political Infrastructure", is germane to much of the current discussion. --Alasdair - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: axiom-devel +Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -37168,23 +32714,11 @@ the state machine solution. Maybe Axiom's tangle/weave system could even respect the whole "safety" system for lisp compiling and use the slower solution when the safey settings are more conservative. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:25:35 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Open source development - a useful resource -Cc: list Hi Alasdair, @@ -37193,19 +32727,12 @@ Hi Alasdair, Nice finding. The chapter explains exactly the current situation. -Thank you, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 19 Jul 2007 12:43:49 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Pamphlets and LaTex -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 19 Jul 2007 12:43:49 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Cliff Yapp writes: > You mean my original code vs. the finite state machine? The original @@ -37233,19 +32760,11 @@ seconds, and for huge files we are talking only a second maximum gain in speed. In this context, I would rather trade 100 lines of slightly slower clean code for a faster 400 line tagbody of gotos any day. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? -To: Stephen Wilson Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:03:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? Stephen Wilson wrote: > @@ -37306,21 +32825,11 @@ In GROEBSOL GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize is used for GcdDomain. My impression is that GROEBSOL works on "best effort" basis, so using squareFree may be reasonable here. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:09:23 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? To: Waldek Hebisch -Message-id: <46A07BC3.3CD175C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: axiom-devel +Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? The domain Factored R does not promise full factorization. Indeed, it only promise to keep the elements of R in factored form, and a factor has a flag, @@ -37401,33 +32910,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch wrote: > In GROEBSOL GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize is used for GcdDomain. > My impression is that GROEBSOL works on "best effort" basis, so > using squareFree may be reasonable here. -> -> -- -> Waldek Hebisch -> Waldek Hebisch -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - --- -William Sit -Department of Mathematics..Email: William Sit -City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179 -New York, NY 10031, USA.................Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? -To: William Sit Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:08:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: William Sit +Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? William Sit wrote: > The domain Factored R does not promise full factorization. Indeed, it only @@ -37479,18 +32967,11 @@ Again, a operation which factors elements which are factorizable and returns other unfactored is IMHO a different operation than Axiom factor function. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start +Date: 20 Jul 2007 07:44:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 20 Jul 2007 07:44:58 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Waldek Hebisch writes: > Practically, when working with polynomils we may want to ignore @@ -37516,19 +32997,11 @@ recombine the factors? If this is nonsense, just say "thats nonsense". Im not asking you to spend your time explaining why my question is uninformed. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? -To: Stephen Wilson Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:22:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: axiom-devel +To: Stephen Wilson +Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? Stephen Wilson wrote: > Is it common enough to encounter integral domains which are not UFD's @@ -37572,21 +33045,11 @@ more factors when you work over field of quotients and there is no longer clear that factors will combine in the ring in a unique way. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:21:40 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? To: Waldek Hebisch -Message-id: <46A0E114.37E9336C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: axiom-devel +Subject: Re: Bug in GeneralizedMultivariateFactorize? Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -37645,15 +33108,9 @@ pressed to come up with a general algorithm that can detect which elements can b factored uniquely. The complexity is much higher than subtractIfCan. Is this even decidable? What domain would have such an algorithm? -William - - - - - \start Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:39:04 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: MonoidWithZero @@ -37677,16 +33134,10 @@ MonoidRing(R: Ring, M: Monoid): MRcategory == MRdefinition where Is there a smart way to reuse this without completely rewriting it? -thanks for your attention -Franz - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:56:49 -0500 -To: "Scott Morrison" Scott Morrison -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Scott Morrison Subject: Democracy! Scott!!! @@ -37701,18 +33152,10 @@ have an opinion on a technical issue it would certainly carry more weight with me than just about anyone elses. (Especially if you were to agree with me :-) ). -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:11:01 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Stephen, @@ -37720,13 +33163,9 @@ Stephen, Would a correct summary of your concern be: Axiom pamphlet format should not be restricted to latex syntax? -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:25:57 -0700 (PDT) -From: yalcin oksuz +From: Yalcin Oksuz To: list Subject: can't compile user-defined functions on axiom @@ -37756,29 +33195,10 @@ older than 2.6.18. I will appreciate any help, thanks in advance. - Best Regards - Yalçın Öksüz - Hacettepe University - Turkiye - - - - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 21 Jul 2007 00:05:47 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion Tim, @@ -37813,24 +33233,11 @@ tailored to axioms current needs and extensible for future requirements, appears to me as being the best way forward. We do not loose anything, AFAICT, but there is, potentially, a lot to gain. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - \start - - Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:26:16 +0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:26:11 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion - <878x9aflk4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Tim Daly writes: @@ -37873,18 +33280,11 @@ written in several languages in the same pamphlet, and to work with them comfortably from emacs. Currently, this is not possible; so, I don't think that the current setup is purfect and should not be improved. -Andrey - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 01:33:54 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Andrey G. Grozin Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion - <878x9aflk4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 01:33:54 -0400 -Cc: list Andrey G. Grozin writes: [...] @@ -37908,18 +33308,10 @@ language independent. By specifying the root chunk to extract at the tangle stage, you can extract source code in various languages from the same pamphlet. - -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:38:24 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Steve, @@ -37929,19 +33321,11 @@ Another try: Would a correct summary of your concern be: We need to provide a weave function in order to enable possible future pamphlet format extensions. -Tim - - - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 01:46:32 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Andrey G. Grozin Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion - <878x9aflk4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 01:46:32 -0400 Cc: list Andrey G. Grozin writes: @@ -37990,22 +33374,11 @@ trivial. Your not learning a new programming language. One can memorize and be completely fluent writing a pamphlet in about ten minutes. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:51:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: Open source development - a useful resource - -Cc: list On 7/19/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > I have been watching the various kerfuffles for a while, staying @@ -38037,16 +33410,10 @@ Fogel's analysis suggests that efforts to move Axiom to a more is seems more productive to live with one (or more) forks of the original project. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 21 Jul 2007 02:04:44 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion Tim Daly writes: @@ -38062,22 +33429,11 @@ Close :) I would say that we need a weave function in order to enable possible extensions of functionality, and for integration with Axiom as a whole. - -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:10:09 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion - <878x9aflk4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <87y7hae2br.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On 21 Jul 2007 01:46:32 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Andrey G. Grozin writes: @@ -38105,19 +33461,11 @@ see any reason to waste time on this issue. Noweb is entirely adequate as it stands and represents that ideal situation of depending on other open source projects for basic tools. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:20:42 -0400 From: William Sit -Subject: Crystal, Pamphlets and LaTex To: Stephen Wilson -Message-id: <46A1A5BA.AC86126F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: axiom-devel +Subject: Crystal, Pamphlets and LaTex Epilog: I must be writing this after smoking ... . I have put this away in my draft folder for a few days because I @@ -38362,65 +33710,33 @@ manual inputs (such as documentation). The Crystal project, if it is ever to be realized, must start with a small prototype, and we must have a design for the infrastructure. -William - - - - - - - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:28:43 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Steve, - So the statement of your concern is: We need a weave function in order to enable possible extensions of functionality, and for integration with Axiom as a whole. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:31:39 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Andrey G. Grozin -Cc: list Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Andrey, - Is a fair statement of your position: Latex is sufficient to handle all current requirements, thus removing the need for noweb and its syntax. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:32:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "yalcin oksuz" +From: Bill Page +To: Yalcin Oksuz Subject: Re: can't compile user-defined functions on axiom -Cc: list On 7/12/07, yalcin oksuz wrote: > @@ -38473,36 +33789,22 @@ When using Debian the best advice would be to install Axiom using the command (or gui equivalent). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:33:40 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Bill, - Is a fair statement of your position: The status quo use of noweb is entirely adequate. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:43:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion +Cc: Bill Page On 7/21/07, Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -38518,16 +33820,10 @@ entirely new approach will be needed (c.f. the recent post by William Sit about databases and Crystal) but this should not be a focus of any effort in the Axiom project at this time. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 21 Jul 2007 02:46:30 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion Tim Daly writes: @@ -38541,18 +33837,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: Yes. What do you think? -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:55:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero -Cc: list On 7/20/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > @@ -38583,58 +33872,35 @@ definition. On the other hand perhaps the category "AbelianMonoidRing" in 'src/algebra/polycat.spad.pamphlet' is what you need? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:55:59 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Steve, - I agree that we need a weave function in order to enable possible extensions of functionality, and for integration with Axiom as a whole. We differ in the implementation question of that weave function. -Tim - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:02:57 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Bill, - I agree that the status quo use of noweb is entirely adequate. We differ in the future planned use. I believe that noweb functionality (tangle/weave) needs to be integrated into Axiom so that the pamphlet file format becomes entirely native, enabling long term goals. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:07:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page On 7/21/07, Tim Daly wrote: > @@ -38649,27 +33915,11 @@ Integrating noweb into Axiom to support the current pamphlet file format seems entirely reasonable to me. I think calling noweb as a system supplied utility is the best approach. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:26:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: keyword arguments, - was: Unions in Spad (Correction) - - <46964339.54F23EC8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <87ejjd9v75.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696BDAE.A8F85510@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <874pk99j07.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <4696FC00.5D392DBB@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <469736BD.16FFC8E2@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> - <877ip392m4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <9qejjbh4ht.fsf_-_@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-devel On 14 Jul 2007 08:41:02 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -38688,20 +33938,12 @@ should be implemented. Union should be the categorical dual of Record, neither of which need to resort to lower level constructs like keywords. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:30:19 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Bill, - Tim writes: >> I agree that the status quo use of noweb is entirely adequate. @@ -38719,18 +33961,12 @@ perspective. In future planned use this would not be the case. Can you state in one or two sentences either your advocacy of noweb or your objection to native? -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:37:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion +Cc: Bill Page On 7/21/07, Tim Daly wrote: > Bill writes: @@ -38750,16 +33986,10 @@ don't know what "future planned use" involves but in my opinion more radical changes in literate programming philosophy are required then can be accomplished by changes of this kind. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:25:42 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" Bill Page -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Bill writes: @@ -38833,19 +34063,14 @@ Architectural decisions are reasonably subject to objection and vote. Construction decisions follow from necessity and aren't appropriate for voting. -Tim - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:30:52 -0500 -Cc: Bill Page, list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion +Cc: Bill Page -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | On 7/21/07, Tim Daly wrote: | > Bill writes: @@ -38864,20 +34089,12 @@ Cc: Bill Page, list I must confess I completely agree with this statement. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:36:46 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Tim Daly Subject: Recent changes to silver - -Tim -- - A fresh update of my local tree reveals that you downcased every file. I don't remember a consensus among the "active" committers or developers that this indeed was what we wanted. @@ -38889,16 +34106,12 @@ Furthermore, I don't see the necessity for downcasing README or FAQ. I would suggest that files like ChangeLog, Makefile, README retain those spellings. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:42:15 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:42:15 -0500 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Tim Daly writes: @@ -38944,16 +34157,12 @@ having the common toy (Axiom) move to duplicating functionalities (already provided by external tools) and having to maintain the source code. It is a waste of resource. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:46:16 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:46:16 -0500 -Cc: Bill Page, list +Cc: Bill Page Tim Daly writes: @@ -38967,19 +34176,14 @@ Since the construction is that of a common toy, it makes sense that active maintainers have a say on where a brik should go. This is part of the review process. --- Gaby - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion - -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 21 Jul 2007 03:29:01 -0500 -Cc: Benjamin Kosnik, list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion +Cc: Benjamin Kosnik -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -39008,19 +34212,11 @@ they didn't say roughly the same thing. We should try hard to avoid complicating system packager's life. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:31:50 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Stephen Wilson Subject: re: Pamphlet format discussion - <878x9aflk4.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - <873azifhh9.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: >> Ideally, we should have the possibliity to have chunks written in @@ -39040,10 +34236,6 @@ mode when the cursor is inside a lisp chunk, those of auctex when the cursor is in LaTeX, etc. All in a single pamphlet. Currently, this cannot be done :-( -Andrey - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -39160,24 +34352,11 @@ with him. What I wasn't aware of before is that a weave step is potentially more than just translation for typesetting. And if we don't abandon the weave step, the << >> syntax serves just as well. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Got a little couch potato? -Check out fun summer activities for kids. -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:59:35 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -Cc: list Hello *, @@ -39201,16 +34380,11 @@ components, like compiler. And it is equally easy to teach it to understand \begin{chunk}{foo} ... \end{chunk} as the noweb syntax. One layer less, no need to escape << and >>. -Andrey - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:10:27 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:10:27 -0400 -Cc: list Hi Cliff, @@ -39310,21 +34484,11 @@ A weave tool can also support several kinds of verbatim environments, without the author of a pamphlet worrying that there programs might contain active characters which will collide. - - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:16:56 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Andrey G. Grozin Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:16:56 -0400 -Cc: list Andrey G. Grozin writes: > And it is equally easy to teach it to @@ -39338,22 +34502,11 @@ another chunk of code in your program listing? Do you use an escape? Your not going to get around escapes, unless you want to typeset in strict verbatim environments. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:26:42 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom - - <87ejj1eqhj.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:26:42 -0400 -Cc: list Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -39365,24 +34518,14 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: > What are the active escape characters in your model? The `\'? The 7 > character sequence "\begin{". How do you embed a hyper link to ... ^^^^^^^ - I meant to type: The 11 character sequence "\end{chunk}". - -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:30:32 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion -Stephen, - The current silver axiom.sty definition of the axiom environment definition uses the alltt verbatim environment which is shipped with standard latex. This could trivially be changed to use the @@ -39396,16 +34539,10 @@ to fancyvrb would mean that would use the fancyvrb environment. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:34:57 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, - Andrey G. Grozin -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Andrey G. Grozin Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Cliff, Andrey @@ -39433,19 +34570,10 @@ After that change you could write: \begin{chunk}{chunkname}{makefile} \begin{chunk}{chunkname}{lisp} -etc. - -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:38:29 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp, - Andrey G. Grozin, - "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp, Andrey G. Grozin, Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Cliff, Andrey, Steve, @@ -39464,18 +34592,12 @@ specific to apply to a single command, such as This requires a combination of tangle and weave. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:40:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion - - <87ejj2yxbm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: Benjamin Kosnik, list +Cc: Benjamin Kosnik On 21 Jul 2007 03:29:01 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > "Bill Page" writes: @@ -39529,16 +34651,10 @@ submit such a package? Indeed! We want to make it as easy as possible to re-distribute Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:42:54 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion Tim Daly writes: @@ -39572,20 +34688,11 @@ Also, is it possible to change (now or in the future) the verbatim environment used by the \begin{chunk} construct in the sty file without need to audit all your code for active characters? - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -39725,26 +34832,12 @@ this in the style file. Um. Can you give an example of what you mean here? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -To: Tim Daly, Andrey G. Grozin, - Stephen Wilson -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly, Andrey G. Grozin, Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion - --- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, Andrey, Steve, @@ -39797,22 +34890,10 @@ in the pamphlet pertains to the rotate command? Presumably the pamphlet structure itself would need to suggest this - what mechanism did you have in mind? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:19:48 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: Bill Page, list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion On 7/21/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -39884,18 +34965,11 @@ I don't understand what you are trying to say here. >From my point of view what I have been talking about is at the level of the Axiom system architecture. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:23:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion - <87d4ymxi54.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: Bill Page, list > ... > Tim Daly wrote: @@ -39913,17 +34987,11 @@ On 21 Jul 2007 03:42:15 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: Yes, that is exactly my point. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 12:39:00 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 12:39:00 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: > My thought (and this is JUST my thought) is that most of the time spent @@ -40067,21 +35135,13 @@ design a general mechanism which would allow the user to configure the system concisely to use various environments and escape policies (this would go under the section titled `Advanced Usage' in the pamphlet). - -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion -To: Bill Page , Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > On 21 Jul 2007 03:42:15 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > The objection as, I understand it, is against having the common toy @@ -40110,23 +35170,12 @@ it becomes a real issue is if the pamphlets go in a direction that noweb can't follow, and I don't see that happening for a good long while. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Luggage? GPS? Comic books? -Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search -http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 12:54:29 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 12:54:29 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Cliff Yapp writes: > Ideally, once these things are done they will require very little work @@ -40143,18 +35192,10 @@ of noweb being sufficient is very, very short. A lisp based tool integrated with axiom turns the dependency discussion into no discussion at all. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:54:57 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: diff-Naur 20070721.01.tpd.patch Attached is a changeset to update the list of contributors @@ -40395,15 +35436,12 @@ index a4fc0ed..6f23778 100644 @ - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:57:12 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion - <246713.49276.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 7/21/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: > ... @@ -40436,18 +35474,11 @@ use their work rather than redoing it. That does not seem consistent with what Tim Daly is writing. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -40620,25 +35651,14 @@ proliferation of multiple incompatible LaTeX packages for the same jobs has been somewhat unfortunate - I keep hoping there will be a trend towards consolidation at some stage. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion -To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis - +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > Certainly I don't want to spend my time working on this, but I was > thinking more of people like Norman Ramsey and other people who @@ -40678,22 +35698,10 @@ Of course, those are just my thoughts and I'm not an expert on noweb. Nor do I know all the details of what Tim would like to do, so I can't say with certainty what the impact would be. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. -http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:44:23 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Steve writes: @@ -40736,19 +35744,11 @@ Note that I'm not advocating dropping weave, simply pointing out that most of what we currently wish to do can easily be achieved using standard latex and the already-necessary axiom.sty file. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom To: Cliff Yapp, Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom --- Cliff Yapp wrote: > OK. My design approach would have been to keep references in @@ -40759,20 +35759,10 @@ sorry - meant to say "My design approach would have been to keep references in documentation different from references in source code, using only the standard LaTeX reference tools in hyperref to reference chunks." - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:48:08 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion I should also note that the idea of using tangle/weave processing on @@ -40787,16 +35777,11 @@ He also authored the NAG TeXExplorer user interface. I'm trying to recover these ideas and extend them. -Tim - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 13:57:03 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 13:57:03 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -40981,18 +35966,10 @@ I always prefer `sensible defaults' with the power to override, customize, and extend. If the tool does not allow me to do that (like noweb), I tend to seek out better ones or write them myself. - -Cheers, -Steve - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 21 Jul 2007 14:07:59 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion Tim Daly writes: @@ -41047,17 +36024,10 @@ woven into latex is not itself latex. Latex is fully capable of tangling the chunks too. But I would argue against doing that for similar reasons. - -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:35:11 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion > I don't understand. What are the active characters in a begin{chunk} @@ -41067,17 +36037,10 @@ Normally you would not. I'm suggesting that it is entirely possible to side-step the escape question for any given set of characters for any given language in a trivial way. TeX is designed to do that. - - -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:35:30 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion The current silver version in axiom.sty uses the latex alltt environment. @@ -41092,16 +36055,10 @@ environments can appear within an alltt environment. Other systems, like Scientific WorkPlace, use it: - -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:36:02 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Pamphlet format discussion Note that section 12.3 of the AUCTeX manual explains how to insert @@ -41114,17 +36071,11 @@ to customize chunk environments trivially. In chunk.el you add (LaTeX-add-environments '("chunk" "chunkname")))) -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom --- Stephen Wilson wrote: > > But do the sequences << followed by >> occur on the same line in @@ -41277,23 +36228,10 @@ OK, I think you are using escapes differently from how I'm thinking about them. I'd better wait for your code - I seem to be stuck in a more narrow view of how I want pamphlets to work. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Need a vacation? Get great deals -to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. -http://travel.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 21 Jul 2007 15:02:48 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Pamphlet format discussion Tim Daly writes: @@ -41314,19 +36252,11 @@ Having arbitrary latex appear in source code is tough to manage for a tangle tool regardless, as it needs to decide what pieces to include and what to ignore. - -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 15:29:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 15:29:58 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -41446,20 +36376,11 @@ I will do it. Just because you wont doesnt mean its not possible or desirable. We need tools which are accommodating to needs different to our own. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom To: Stephen Wilson -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom --- Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -41562,23 +36483,11 @@ policy do we want to enforce in Axiom? Cheers, and thanks for all your hard work on this! -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search -that gives answers, not web links. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - - - \start +Date: 21 Jul 2007 16:34:43 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 21 Jul 2007 16:34:43 -0400 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: [...] @@ -41675,18 +36584,10 @@ complex than noweb in order to get the same effect as that tool. I am going to start writing right to left. As long as the policy does not enforce a rule which says I cant, Ill be OK with that. :) - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:38:37 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: diff-Naur 20070721.02.tpd.patch This patch, originally written by Waldek, declares variables to @@ -41731,21 +36632,11 @@ index c6e7542..c39b435 100644 (defun new () (|New,ENTRY|)) - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:41:31 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - -Cc: list - - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. - ---461446550-599641714-1185100891=:4551 > > I think the short answer is "no". But if you do re-write it, I can see @@ -41865,13 +36756,10 @@ bm9pZFJpbmdGdW5jdGlvbnMyPj4NCiBADQo= --461446550-599641714-1185100891=:4551-- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:53:08 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: diff-Naur 20070722.01.tpd.patch This patch cleans up the latex complaints in src/interp/Makefile.pamphlet @@ -42055,16 +36943,11 @@ index 49f9cc4..23ec4cc 100644 \item [(a)] you have to add the file to the list of files currently there (e.g. see BROBJS above) - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:38:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - -Cc: list On 7/22/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > Bill Page wrote: @@ -42104,20 +36987,11 @@ Of course instead of modifying the original source, for testing at least, you could just re-compile these modules using ')compile' in the Axiom interpreter. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:12:02 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - -Cc: list > > What you wrote appears to be correct (I have not tried to compile it @@ -42167,21 +37041,11 @@ that's what I did with the results noted above. > Axiom interpreter. yes, manual notangle + )compile works. -regards -Franz - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:18:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - -Cc: list On 7/22/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > This is what I was trying to do. @@ -42227,23 +37091,11 @@ If you are still having trouble I will have time to try this myself only much later today and I will try to give you more specific suggestions then. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:44:27 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - -Cc: list - > wh-sandbox uses a different bootstrap method than Axiom Silver and > build-improvements, so you might need to do things slightly @@ -42276,23 +37128,11 @@ However when it comes to compiling MRING, MRCAT is invisible as before: > suggestions then. thanks so far, later today will be tomorrow for me ... -regards -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:41:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - -Cc: list On 7/22/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > @@ -42339,25 +37179,11 @@ understand the meaning and cause of the message "cannot produce category object"? Is this a bootstrap problem or perhaps a problem in the SPAD compiler? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:52:55 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - - -Cc: list - > After applying your patch and adding MRCAT to SPADLIST and CATLIST, so > far all I can do is confirm the error message that you show above. I @@ -42380,25 +37206,11 @@ browse.daase These appear to be static but not intended to be read by humans. Does anyone know how to update these databases? -regards -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:02:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - - - -Cc: list On 7/23/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > @@ -42436,18 +37248,12 @@ problem. I will try your patches on FriCAS and let you know how it turns out. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: list -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 23 Jul 2007 02:55:53 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: list Subject: Axiom meeting - All Axiomatizers -- For those of you who will be attending ISSAC '07, I propose we @@ -42455,26 +37261,11 @@ have a meeting around the topic: Axiom, present and future! See all y'all. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:29:08 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - - - - -Cc: list - > I will try your patches on FriCAS and let you know how it turns out. The same problem persists in FriCAS: @@ -42498,57 +37289,22 @@ Databases apparently are built and MRCAT is compiled befor MRING, still it does not work. What is missing? -regards -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:53:50 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - - - - - -Cc: list - > Databases apparently are built > ...and MRCAT is compiled befor MRING, that's actually not true. MRCAT.spad is generated, but now we have to make sure it is compiled before MRING (?). -regards, -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:03:34 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - - - - - - -Cc: list - > that's actually not true. MRCAT.spad is generated, but now we have to make > sure it is compiled before MRING (?). @@ -42557,17 +37313,11 @@ fricas/src/algebra/boo-cat.input does the trick. At least both MRCAT.NRLIB and MRING.NRLIB did compile and it didn't stop yet. -regards, -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:42:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom meeting -Cc: list On 23 Jul 2007 02:55:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -42592,17 +37342,11 @@ http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/conferences/issac2007/program-schedule.shtml What time would you propose? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:15:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -Cc: list >>>> @= .... >>> Erm. That didn't occur to me. I always viewed simple non-LaTeX @@ -42647,18 +37391,12 @@ Consider chunk names as section titles! Also look at the bottom of http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/SandboxPamphletStyle -. - -Ralf - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:21:35 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Pamphlet files and Axiom -Cc: list > Axiom's current default weave usage does not make use of the full power > of noweb's weave logic. Ralf's ALLPROSE (demonstrated in his @@ -42678,17 +37416,12 @@ when noweb is blamed for being slow in contrast to the time that latex needs. (Anyway, Stephen has already given some timings that look drastically different from what Tim experiences.) -Ralf - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Axiom meeting - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 23 Jul 2007 11:23:00 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom meeting +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Greetings! Alas, I cannot make this meeting, but would dearly appreciate another gathering like the one we had in NYC. Don't know @@ -42696,7 +37429,7 @@ if this is feasible or not. Take care, -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 23 Jul 2007 02:55:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > @@ -42720,31 +37453,11 @@ Take care, > http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/conferences/issac2007/program-schedule.shtml > > What time would you propose? -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:25:13 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Pamphlet files and Axiom Ralf writes: @@ -42755,25 +37468,11 @@ Ralf writes: TeX is run twice on every file, once for the first pass and once to resolve the index/citations/etc. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:02:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero - - - - - - - - - -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com On 7/23/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > @@ -42999,34 +37698,19 @@ Index: mring.spad.pamphlet <> @ ----------------- - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:26:53 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: MonoidWithZero -Bill, - Could you please post a corresponding change for Axiom against the SVN trunk? -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:34:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero On 7/23/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -43051,16 +37735,10 @@ src/share database files in trunk with those generated by FriCAS. But all this database stuff is rather a mystery to me so I could well be wrong... -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:23:32 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: Windows sockets There is some information on this site regarding the issue of porting @@ -43068,17 +37746,11 @@ socket-based programs to windows: http://tangentsoft.net/wskfaq/articles/bsd-compatibility.html -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:55:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting - -Cc: list On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -43112,18 +37784,11 @@ That would be great! 7:30pm? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:28:27 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero -Cc: list - -Hello, > Could you please post a corresponding change for Axiom against > the SVN trunk? @@ -43133,16 +37798,10 @@ The page http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomAlgebra explains it but I did not understand. -regards, -Franz - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:44:17 -0500 -To: "Franz Lehner" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Franz Lehner Subject: MonoidWithZero > since I spent some time on this, how does one add new algebra to the @@ -43155,15 +37814,10 @@ I'm working on the details of adding new algebra at the moment as I'm adding Martin's algebra. When that completes I'll document the process. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:49:47 -0500 -To: "Franz Lehner" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Franz Lehner Subject: MonoidWithZero > since I spent some time on this, how does one add new algebra to the @@ -43174,17 +37828,11 @@ Subject: MonoidWithZero Are your algebra changes documented and posted somewhere I can reach? -Tim - - - \start Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:25:36 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: MonoidWithZero -Cc: list - > Are your algebra changes documented and posted somewhere I can reach? It was just the patch I sent earlier, the complete version appearing in @@ -43192,20 +37840,11 @@ Bill's preceding message (just leave out the boo-cat.input part). There is not much to document, it just makes a locally hidden category visible. Otherwise I don't have much to contribute yet. -regards, -Franz - - - \start Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:52:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom meeting - - -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Mail Dear Axiom Users and Developers, @@ -43218,18 +37857,11 @@ still to be determined. I would greatly appreciate it if you could let me know if you are interested and able to attend. -Thank you. - -Regards, -Bill Page. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -From: George Labahn +From: George Labahn Date: Jul 24, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Axiom meeting during ISSAC 2007 -To: Bill Page - - +To: Bill Page Dear Bill, @@ -43272,46 +37904,23 @@ On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: > this might be difficult on such short notice so if this doesn't work > out, then of course there will also be informal opportunities for us > to meet during the conference. -> -> Thank you. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> - - \start Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting -To: Bill Page -Cc: list Bill, I won't be at ISSAC unfortunately - would it be possible to arrange a video or even an audio recording of the meeting? I wish I could be there - I think this is a VERY good idea. -Cheers, -CY - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 - - - \start Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:10:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting - <26492.89666.qm@web56712.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list On 7/24/07, C Y wrote: > Bill, I won't be at ISSAC unfortunately - would it be possible to @@ -43324,17 +37933,13 @@ I will try to arrange audio recording if participants agree. Video would be very difficult unless pre-arranged by conference organizers (unlikely). - - \start Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting -To: Bill Page -Cc: list - ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > On 7/24/07, C Y wrote: > > Bill, I won't be at ISSAC unfortunately - would it be possible to @@ -43349,21 +37954,10 @@ Cc: list Thanks! Have fun everybody. -CY - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:46:28 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Fricas Bill, @@ -43394,18 +37988,11 @@ Until we have a mechanism for voting in place, and a vote is taken that results in community discussion and agreement that Fricas should be promoted as you have done, I ask you to remove your edits. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:44:11 +0700 (NOVST) From: Andrey G. Grozin To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -Cc: list On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: > Bill, @@ -43421,20 +38008,12 @@ something entirely different, which I don't understand? To be useful, each project web site includes links to related projects. FriCAS is, certainly, a related project, although a separate one. -Regards, -Andrey - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:21:49 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Andrey G. Grozin -Cc: list Subject: Fricas -Andrey, - I suggest you visit the CMUCL common lisp project, and the SBCL common lisp project, . @@ -43482,17 +38061,10 @@ But it is important to keep the projects clearly distinguished so there is no confusion. There are over 100 computer algebra systems in the world. None of them are confused with Axiom and FriCAS should not be an exception. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:22:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas Tim, @@ -43585,20 +38157,12 @@ On 7/25/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > Until we have a mechanism for voting in place, and a vote is taken > that results in community discussion and agreement that Fricas should > be promoted as you have done, I ask you to remove your edits. -> -> Tim -> -> -> - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 01:27:04 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jul 2007 01:27:04 -0400 -Cc: list Bill, @@ -43613,19 +38177,10 @@ If FriCAS is to be successful, it needs to make it on its own, and not leverage the resources which Axiom has earned and, therefore, deserves. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:05:49 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Fricas Bill, @@ -43688,20 +38243,11 @@ work in Axiom could someone be confused? FriCAS is capable of developing its own resources. That's what a fork is. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:26:49 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -Cc: list - -Hello, I clearly understand any position. Axiom is not FriCAS and FriCAS should not sell under the name of Axiom. That's clear, but not the point. @@ -43711,15 +38257,10 @@ Isn't that simple? Cooperation, not separation. Let's not fight against each other! -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:41:04 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Fricas > Much better for Axiom would be if we get Waldek back into the boat. @@ -43775,19 +38316,13 @@ SBCL, binutils, or other projects I follow. Cooperation, not separation, applies to everyone on the project. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Fricas -To: Bill Page -Cc: list - ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > Right now we are lucky if we can even find > 5 out out of the nearly 100 subscribers in the axiom-devel mailing @@ -43904,19 +38439,10 @@ review. That would be a separate and far more personal discussion, and I'm deliberately attempting to avoid it - the more fundamental questions I think are the critical points to resolve. - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:01:57 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Fricas >> Much better for Axiom would be if we get Waldek back into the boat. @@ -43930,15 +38456,10 @@ Tim, my last mail text was delibarately not addressed to you but to the community. I am sorry that I forgot to remove your email-address from the reply. I hope it did not cause too much confusion. -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:20:58 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Fricas Cliff, @@ -44014,15 +38535,10 @@ is to rewrite history in a very negative way. It minimizes the efforts and contributions of a large number of people, all named (or intended to be named) in the list of Axiom credits. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Fricas --- Tim Daly wrote: @@ -44041,22 +38557,10 @@ without which the project would cease to be Axiom?" I.e. goals such that a development direction not pursuing them would by definition be a project other than Axiom? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:49:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas On 7/26/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -44238,18 +38742,10 @@ which you refer. A fork is a failure to communicate (which also happens to be the cause of most wars :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:54:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly - boundary="----=_Part_150548_24245255.1185468879658" - -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas ------=_Part_150548_24245255.1185468879658 @@ -44784,13 +39280,10 @@ M0U4ODZGPjxEQjQzMkZGQTIyNDI1M0ZEQTI2MTg5QUNCODNFODg2Rj5dCj4+CnN0YXJ0eHJlZgoy Nzc2MgolJUVPRgo= ------=_Part_150548_24245255.1185468879658-- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:41:06 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Fricas Bill, @@ -44802,15 +39295,10 @@ A fork is a separate project. A failure to communicate is what you and I have. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:50:57 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page Subject: Fricas Bill, @@ -44829,20 +39317,11 @@ need to exercise control over what you say. I do request that you try not to confuse the two projects. Confusion hurts us, fricas, and the end users in the long run. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:04:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting - - - -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Mail On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -44863,15 +39342,10 @@ Bill -- (I was temporarily out of network reach). --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:05:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas On 7/26/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: @@ -44921,17 +39395,10 @@ Maybe what we need is more of this: "commitment to cooperation" thing ... BTW, I specifically referenced this same article in the edits that you asked me to remove. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:08:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - -Cc: list +To: list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Fricas On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -44982,16 +39449,11 @@ Tim -- talented people., then this is not what you want. You should take a break and enjoy the summer. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:21:13 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:21:13 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -45022,15 +39484,11 @@ disagree with you promoting that hostile view for the Axiom community. I strongly disagree with your "order" to remove links to Fricas for the Axiom community webpage. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:33:41 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:33:41 -0500 Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -45055,16 +39513,11 @@ factual evidences -- can rightfully be read as unwelcoming. any edits to the Axiom SVN repo at SF is *publically recorded* on the axiom-commit list at SF. As diffs/patches. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0500 -Cc: list Tim Daly writes: @@ -45078,17 +39531,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: For all I know, proof by analogy is fraud. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:58:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Fricas - <874pjrhs9c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 26 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Tim Daly writes: @@ -45101,18 +39548,11 @@ On 26 Jul 2007 14:36:15 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: http://jyte.com/cl/proof-by-analogy-is-no-proof -:-) - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page, Tim Daly Subject: re: Fricas -To: Bill Page , - "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: list - > If for whatever reason we can't work together with Waldek in the > Axiom project then at least Axiom still has access to his skills @@ -45230,22 +39670,11 @@ pursue different project goals and methods. Either way, better a fork and ongoing work in forks (particularly with compatible licensing being maintained) than endless arguing and no work in one project. -Cheers, -CY - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. -http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:39:50 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Fricas -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:39:50 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -45258,16 +39687,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: and (almost) the same people re-united again :-) --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:41:27 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Fricas -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:41:27 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -45285,16 +39709,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: It strikes that people are trying hard to speculate on Fricas goals and methods, much more than the originator of the Fricas project :-) --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 16:42:24 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Fricas -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jul 2007 16:42:24 -0400 -Cc: list *, @@ -45316,21 +39735,11 @@ unambiguously, and give the reader the opportunity to explore an alternative approach so that they may form their own opinion about the merits of each project. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:58:17 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Fricas - <87ps2eaocv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 26 Jul 2007 15:58:17 -0500 -Cc: list Stephen Wilson writes: @@ -45351,16 +39760,11 @@ Stephen Wilson writes: I agree with that suggestion. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: Fricas To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: re: Fricas --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -45393,24 +39797,11 @@ the issue: are there defining goals of Axiom the project that should result in development in directions incompatible with those goals becoming new projects? -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:17:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Fricas - <265915.72168.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list On 7/26/07, C Y wrote: > ... @@ -45484,20 +39875,11 @@ changes to the build system accomplished in the build-improvements branch. Until those changes a ported to Axiom all of this is blocked or made significantly extra difficult. -> ... - -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:22:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Fricas - <87ps2eaocv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On 26 Jul 2007 16:42:24 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > @@ -45536,18 +39918,11 @@ Tim asked me to do and deleted the page from the Wiki. Sounds good to me. Only this time you start it and maybe no one will ask you to delete it again. :-( -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:23:22 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: Fricas - <87ejiunbl5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list > | When Xorg forked from XFree86, the projects essentially went their > | separate ways despite starting from a virtually identical code base. @@ -45564,40 +39939,21 @@ have invited you myself. It feels like the project needs a reboot. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 26 Jul 2007 19:13:42 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Fricas - <87ps2eaocv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87d4yelw5y.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 26 Jul 2007 19:13:42 -0400 -Cc: list - -Gaby, You had mentioned a week or two ago about posting some slides on the 'net detailing a talk you gave about Axiom, which IIRC contained some personal ideas about future directions. Did these ever get online? Apologies in advance if I somehow missed them. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:23:37 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Take a break. In light of your recent posting @@ -45610,15 +39966,10 @@ Since I clearly "want the Axiom project to succeed, be alive, and attract talented people" I plan to skip the Axiom meeting at ISSAC. I hope it is well attended and I anticipate a flood of new developers. -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:38:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Take a break. On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -45630,16 +39981,11 @@ On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: Well, that is entirely within your rights, but obviously that is not what I would be doing if I were in your shoes. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:48:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: Fricas -Cc: list On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -45692,18 +40038,11 @@ If you were expecting ans answer from me, I did not give one simply because I do not believe I understand the question correctly to give a meaningful answer. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:55:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Alfredo Portes Subject: re: Fricas - <87ejiunbl5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -45727,15 +40066,10 @@ I hope too -- as many people here do, at SNC/PASCO'07. :-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:15:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: Take a break. On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -45749,19 +40083,11 @@ On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: For the record, the above is *your* conclusion, not my statement. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:07:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Fricas - <87ps2eaocv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87d4yelw5y.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87hcnqahcp.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -45784,20 +40110,11 @@ that way. Although there does not seem to be many slides, the discussion covered about 2 hours, and it was very enjoyable, pleasant, and fruitful. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:52:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Fricas - <87ps2eaocv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87d4yelw5y.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87hcnqahcp.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - -Cc: list On 7/27/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -45822,22 +40139,11 @@ lead: Tim Daly Jr. Actually, Tim Daly Jr. would normally refer to Tim Daly's son. As far as I know he is no longer active in the Axiom project. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:02:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Fricas - <87ps2eaocv.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - <87d4yelw5y.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <87hcnqahcp.fsf@lattice.localdomain> - - -Cc: list On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -45867,13 +40173,9 @@ On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: Oops. I'll fix that. Thanks! Apologies to Tim. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:17:50 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: Re: Fricas @@ -45884,32 +40186,20 @@ to my original axiom patch with the exception of the database issue which is at least for me not resolved in Axiom yet. Later the discussion continued on the F***** mailing list. -Franz - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:39:39 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: schedule -Gaby, - I'm nearly ready with another major patch. I don't want to disrupt your autoconf patch. When can we expect your autoconf patch to silver? -Tim - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:49:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: schedule On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -45927,10 +40217,6 @@ still on travel with only my windows machine handy. So, no Autconf work proper has been done. This is going to be the case for the next week or two :-( --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp @@ -45964,20 +40250,9 @@ which project should stay with the Axiom name. Unless I'm missing something there seems to be an inevitibility about this - one side isn't going to abandon Lisp and the other isn't going to abandon Boot. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. -http://sims.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:00:43 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list Subject: How do I apply a patch? @@ -45990,14 +40265,9 @@ a matter of changing the .spad file in or do I need to do some sort of recompiling? If this is a dumb question, I humbly apologize, but I still don't know how to do it... -Thanks, -Alasdair - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:27:35 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list Subject: Re: How do I apply a patch? @@ -46010,7 +40280,7 @@ to si.spad (or possible integer.spad). How do I do that? -Alasdair -On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > Sorry if this has been covered before... I'm using the axiom linux > binary - how do I apply a patch, or add a patch of my own? Is it just > a matter of changing the .spad file in @@ -46019,22 +40289,13 @@ On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > or do I need to do some sort of recompiling? If this is a dumb > question, I humbly apologize, but I still don't know how to do it... -> -> Thanks, -> Alasdair -> - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:34:32 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: posting a patch -Alasdair, - To create a patch for a single file: suppose the original file is in ./original/file.spad.pamphlet @@ -46044,16 +40305,10 @@ diff -Naur ./original/file.spad.pamphlet ./changed/file.spad.pamphlet >file.patc send the patch file to the mailing list. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:40:01 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: applying a patch Alasdair, @@ -46087,16 +40342,10 @@ So you can do: and it will skip the (silver,bronze). -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:46:03 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: adding the mod function Alasdair, @@ -46129,16 +40378,10 @@ put some test cases in an input file, say si.input if it all looks good to you then post si.patch and si.input to the list. -Tim - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:58:29 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: adding the mod function Alasdair, @@ -46151,20 +40394,14 @@ commands but I believe that git diff all do essentially the same thing, creating an overall patch. -Tim - - - - \start -Subject: re: How do I apply a patch? -To: Alasdair McAndrew Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:12:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list +To: Alasdair McAndrew +Subject: re: How do I apply a patch? -On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: -> On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +> On 7/28/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > Sorry if this has been covered before... I'm using the axiom linux > > binary - how do I apply a patch, or add a patch of my own? Is it just > > a matter of changing the .spad file in @@ -46218,18 +40455,11 @@ current session -- you can use )lib command to load compiled file in new session. Alternatively, you can re-generate Axiom databases so that Axiom will remember your package. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:56:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Project directions -Cc: list On 7/27/07, C Y wrote: > I'll make one more stab at asking my question, using a more concrete @@ -46305,20 +40535,13 @@ commercial version of Axiom. I hope that what I am saying is clear. Please ask or state if I you think I have gotten any of this wrong. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Project directions -To: Bill Page -Cc: list - ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > I think this is not an accurate description of the situation since > Boot is written in Lisp and it is *part* of Axiom. In other words no > matter what we do, Axiom is written in Lisp. Period. @@ -46418,21 +40641,10 @@ embrace Lisp. IIRC it sounded like even in the original commercial Axiom team there was disagreement about how to handle this, although I'll have to go back and re-read the emails describing it. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? -Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. -http://tv.yahoo.com/ - - - \start -To: axiom-devel -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 28 Jul 2007 03:36:43 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson +To: axiom-devel Subject: Axweb, a literate programming tool *, @@ -46463,22 +40675,11 @@ etc. I would especially like to hear about new directions which the tool can move towards now that a basic functioning substrate is available. -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - - - - - \start +Date: 28 Jul 2007 07:36:29 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Project directions -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 28 Jul 2007 07:36:29 -0500 -Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -46488,17 +40689,11 @@ Cliff Yapp writes: Indeed, and that is a Good Thing (TM). --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:27:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Project directions - <87tzro4sdu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list On 28 Jul 2007 07:36:29 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -46515,19 +40710,11 @@ of Lisp. And for Axiom's sake Aldor is designed so that it's runtime environment can be easily re-targeted to Lisp. So it is not really accurate to say "does not require Lisp at all". -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:32:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Project directions - <87tzro4sdu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: list On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -46555,19 +40742,11 @@ Lisp is optional, not a requirement as for Axiom. If you don't have Lisp you can still write and run Aldor programs. That is not the case for Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:57:57 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Project directions - <87tzro4sdu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - -Cc: list On 7/28/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -46606,21 +40785,11 @@ machine level. What is the substantial difference? -Regards, -Bill page. - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:28:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Project directions - <87tzro4sdu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - -Cc: list On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -46641,21 +40810,11 @@ The substantial difference is that one between a plateform specific assembly language (such as x86) and a portable high level language (such as SML or Haskell). --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 28 Jul 2007 12:05:04 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Project directions - <87tzro4sdu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jul 2007 12:05:04 -0400 -Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > The substantial difference is that one between a plateform specific @@ -46695,21 +40854,11 @@ better than just using Lisp to begin with (and in particular, choosing one lisp, GCL, and allow ourselves to exploit all of its non-standard features), but I am trying to keep an open mind. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - - \start Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:27:37 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: diff-Naur 20070721.01.tpd.patch -Cc: list Tim, @@ -46971,15 +41120,11 @@ On 07/21/2007 06:54 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > > @ - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:09:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Project directions -Cc: list Hello, @@ -47025,17 +41170,11 @@ like LISP and some don't. The common goal lives some levels up. Collaboration, not separation. -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 28 Jul 2007 18:34:49 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Project directions - <46ABBE7D.1080305@hemmecke.de> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jul 2007 18:34:49 -0400 -Cc: list Hi Ralf, @@ -47095,18 +41234,10 @@ paths, even if it does divide an already scarce resource. Too many of the ideas, designs, concepts, etc, transcend the programming language used. Rich collaboration in any event is certainly possible. - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:43:20 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: axiom credit list Ralf, @@ -47149,17 +41280,11 @@ feel free to add them to the list of credits. No explanation is necessary. There are no rules and no guidelines, just your own private judgement that they deserve to be mentioned. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:51:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axweb, a literate programming tool -Cc: axiom-devel > http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxWeb @@ -47173,16 +41298,11 @@ I've tried to be objective on that site, but might have failed. Nobody has added pros and cons so far to the PamphletSyntax site and it's already two days old. :-( -Ralf - - - \start +Date: 28 Jul 2007 18:58:30 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Axweb, a literate programming tool -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 28 Jul 2007 18:58:30 -0400 -Cc: axiom-devel Ralf Hemmecke writes: @@ -47208,18 +41328,10 @@ I too was hoping for a bit more feedback on this page. I will probably add a few notes this evening when I update it with the axweb link. - -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:01:48 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: root Tim Daly -Cc: list +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: axiom credit list Thank you, Tim. @@ -47237,17 +41349,11 @@ history or the present and not just a name. I think you should commit that patch to trunk. If somebody is against it s/he should speak *now*. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:20:34 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axweb, a literate programming tool - <87zm1g6sq1.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: axiom-devel >> Could you update http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/PamphletSyntax and >> add a link to AxWeb there. @@ -47269,15 +41375,10 @@ I don't want just an opinion page, but rather factual things. We had discussions enough, now it's time to try to list pros and cons that are based on facts (not opinions). -Ralf - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:51:16 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: literate programming This paper contains clear arguments for literate programming. @@ -47285,15 +41386,10 @@ This paper contains clear arguments for literate programming. and appears to have been done in 1995. We seem to be a bit behind the curve on this idea. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:13:07 -0500 -To: list, jgg899@yahoo.com -Cc: +From: Tim Daly +To: Jocelyn Guidry Subject: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight >From @@ -47317,20 +41413,11 @@ Now all we have to do is document axiom and prove the code correct. I suspect that effort will take the next 30 years. Look to the horizon. -Tim - - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:29:37 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: -Subject: literate programming, - Claerbout's Insight and Doyen +Subject: literate programming, Claerbout's Insight and Doyen Now that memory kicks in I recall that one original motivation for the Doyen project was to create particular "snapshots" for @@ -47349,16 +41436,11 @@ the necessary scripts to run his algebra. Or Ralf could distribute the combinat environment on a Doyen CD along with traditional publications. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:30:00 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: literate programming -Cc: list Hi Tim, @@ -47388,21 +41470,11 @@ will be a tangle view of a particular chunk, similar to what MathAction does, but being able to edit and compile the code, debug it, etc. Modifications on both views would modify the pamphlet. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:36:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Subject: Re: literate programming, - Claerbout's Insight and Doyen -Cc: list - -Tim, +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: literate programming, Claerbout's Insight and Doyen It is still the idea of the project ;-). I do not know if you ever read this post by Emil Sit, @@ -47429,16 +41501,12 @@ On 7/29/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: > the combinat environment on a Doyen CD along with traditional > publications. -Jose Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 29 Jul 2007 00:32:11 -0500 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 29 Jul 2007 00:32:11 -0500 -Cc: list, jgg899@yahoo.com +Cc: Jocelyn Guidry Tim Daly writes: @@ -47485,17 +41553,11 @@ last couple of days: With the inclusion of standard disclaimer about analogy, think about the above. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:30:11 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, list +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <87k5sjixlw.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: It may be that the negative views of Axiom are simply due to Axiom being very poorly (read "not at all") marketed - there are no @@ -47573,25 +41635,12 @@ On 29 Jul 2007 00:32:11 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > With the inclusion of standard disclaimer about analogy, think about > the above. -> -> -- Gaby -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -47680,25 +41729,11 @@ interaction environment. Most systems make these assumptions unstated FriCAS will fill the need for those who need something Axiom-like working now. My interest is the long term goals. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -http://farechase.yahoo.com/ - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:01:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <87k5sjixlw.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1d67a53c0707290130x16448876uf8dc6b4f97bf25d9@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -47713,18 +41748,11 @@ believers in Axiom -- many of them contributed Axiom algebras, some did their PhD with Axiom. Those don't seem to be needing elementary books about the use of Axiom. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:03:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <87k5sjixlw.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1d67a53c0707290130x16448876uf8dc6b4f97bf25d9@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: @@ -47733,16 +41761,11 @@ On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: I agree. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:20:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -47805,17 +41828,11 @@ Those who are doing CAS for leaving cannot use it. Those who are casual users are encouraged to look elsewhere. Amateurs? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -47897,23 +41914,11 @@ that the answers they are getting to questions put to the CAS are correct mathematically. Whether other applications follow from that remains to be seen. But of course, that's just me. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:41:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -47975,19 +41980,12 @@ Right! And yet we want to attract people. but those do CAS for living; they are working computational scientists. We seem to be ignoring them. --- Gaby - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:56:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <744619.6014.qm@web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis On 7/29/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: > @@ -48142,19 +42140,11 @@ leading edge) things they are doing. People have very high expectations for computer algebra systems these days. Afterall this is the seventh year of the twenty first century. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:04:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <744619.6014.qm@web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -48168,15 +42158,10 @@ I'm very impressed by the diligence with which people involved in Sage are working to help sort out issues on the Fricas list. Why is that not happening for Axiom? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:14:42 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey -Cc: list Subject: Algebra and literate documentation Martin, @@ -48219,21 +42204,11 @@ has cost me a tremendous amount of time. Please post a working pamphlet file (English is preferred), along with test cases. I cannot construct cases for things like GUESSINT. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - - +Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -48295,23 +42270,11 @@ use the CAS without developing it in the process. If that doesn't appeal to "working computational scientists" I'm not sure what the answer is - the ground work needs to be done. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:33:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -48350,17 +42313,11 @@ premature death. yes, but do you want Axiom to indefinitely stay in that state? --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 29 Jul 2007 11:38:58 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 29 Jul 2007 11:38:58 -0400 -Cc: list Hello Gaby, @@ -48396,23 +42353,14 @@ contributing in whatever way they can -- all of whom have good intentions. How are we to ensure that this does not damage the project further in the eyes of the wider community of experts? - -Take care, -Steve - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -To: Bill Page -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis - ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > I do not agree that open source is a completely "different ballgame". > As Tim has explained even when Axiom was a research project at IBM is @@ -48571,25 +42519,12 @@ interest - I have absolutely nothing against functionality but I want to be able to provide a robust answer to the question "why should I trust that this answer is correct?" -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. -http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <744619.6014.qm@web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 29 Jul 2007 12:17:16 -0400 -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Hi Bill, @@ -48675,20 +42610,11 @@ just contribute bug fixes? I might be willing to do that if someone was paying me. Perhaps you have an answer which is both productive and enjoyable? - -Thanks, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -48726,62 +42652,27 @@ bringing something unique to the CAS world. I accept that this will take time and a lot of work - the only way up a mountain is to climb it. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:53:51 -0700 (PDT) -From: Jocelyn Guidry +From: Jocelyn Guidry To: list Subject: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas ---0-1850865853-1185728031=:31153 - Gaby, -Would the Fricas project better suit your needs and vision for an open source CAS? If not, why? +Would the Fricas project better suit your needs and vision for an open +source CAS? If not, why? I also pose that question to Bill Page. Just curious, J.G. - - - - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - ---0-1850865853-1185728031=:31153 - -

Gaby,

Would the Fricas project better suit your needs and vision for an open source CAS?  If not, why?

I also pose that question to Bill Page.

Just curious,
J.G.


-
Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. - ---0-1850865853-1185728031=:31153-- - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:34:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <744619.6014.qm@web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - - <87odhv6v77.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -48793,16 +42684,11 @@ On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: On first order, yes. I look at other systems, such as GCC, linux, GDB, etc. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:37:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -48818,17 +42704,11 @@ On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: When they are told that to look somewhere else, that clearly indicates that they are not welcome. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp -Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list - +Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -48852,23 +42732,11 @@ need and may not become that tool given the directions the project is developing in. It is an attempt to be helpful, not an attempt to chase away. Like any product, Axiom is not suitable for all purposes. -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's -Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. -http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 - - - \start Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:55:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight -Cc: list On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -48897,18 +42765,13 @@ On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: And when will it be the tool they can use for their need? In 30 years when they are retired? --- Gaby - - - \start -To: Jocelyn Guidry -Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 29 Jul 2007 23:27:26 -0500 -Cc: list +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Jocelyn Guidry +Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas -Jocelyn Guidry writes: +Jocelyn Guidry writes: | Gaby, | @@ -48932,17 +42795,12 @@ at ideals. I fundamentally disagree with the opinion that welcomes the fork so as to have the perfect asnwer "go away; go to Fricas." --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: 30 Jul 2007 01:04:32 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas - <87fy36y0r5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 30 Jul 2007 01:04:32 -0400 -Cc: list, Jocelyn Guidry +Cc: Jocelyn Guidry Hi Gaby, @@ -48955,21 +42813,13 @@ I believe I understand the overall point of your response but I am having difficulty understanding the above sentence. Could you please explain? - -Thanks in advance, -Steve - - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:49:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Jocelyn Guidry" +From: Bill Page +To: Jocelyn Guidry Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas -Cc: list -On 7/29/07, Jocelyn Guidry wrote: +On 7/29/07, Jocelyn Guidry wrote: > > Would the Fricas project better suit your needs and vision for an open > source CAS? If not, why? @@ -48985,17 +42835,12 @@ large number of advance users of computer algebra. Because of it's history I think Axiom has a better chance of this than a project that was created as a fork of Axiom. - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:10:17 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas - <87fy36y0r5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <874pjm7a8v.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: list, Jocelyn Guidry , - Gabriel Dos Reis +Cc: Jocelyn Guidry, Gabriel Dos Reis On 30 Jul 2007 01:04:32 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > @@ -49016,15 +42861,11 @@ may have little or no interest in translating more advanced computer algebra algorithms created meanwhile by mathematicians working with other systems. - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:30:03 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: Re: literate programming and Claerbout's Insight - <87k5sjixlw.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <1d67a53c0707290130x16448876uf8dc6b4f97bf25d9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > It may be that the negative views of Axiom are simply due to Axiom @@ -49065,18 +42906,11 @@ literacy to be above average, out of 44 students only 2 were not using windows ... 1 Mac, 1 Linux. In the end at least one of them installed linux just because of axiom ... -regards, -Franz - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:02:15 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: literate programming, Claerbout's Insight and - Doyen -Cc: list +Subject: Re: literate programming, Claerbout's Insight and Doyen On 07/29/2007 06:29 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > Now that memory kicks in I recall that one original motivation @@ -49116,15 +42950,10 @@ For bugs, I think one has to review the "change file" idea of Knuth. (I did not find time to even find a good reference. But time will come when that will be important.) -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:54:36 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: mantepse.spad Hello, @@ -49151,20 +42980,15 @@ undefined chunk name: <> The error code of noweb is 2. That should be caught by the document command. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Jocelyn Guidry Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Jocelyn Guidry -Cc: list -- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> Jocelyn Guidry writes: +> Jocelyn Guidry writes: > > | Gaby, > | @@ -49207,23 +43031,12 @@ for the "get real" approach all that will do is move the work on other goals to another venue. Six of one, half a dozen of the other - same result in the end. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:05:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas -Cc: list, Jocelyn Guidry +Cc: Jocelyn Guidry On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -49237,16 +43050,11 @@ express opinion about what where I would like the project to go. I have no problem with your working on a system that will target only retirees in 30 years. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:13:45 -0700 (PDT) -From: Jocelyn Guidry -Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas +From: Jocelyn Guidry To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: list +Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas --0-1045709264-1185808425=:36782 @@ -49270,53 +43078,35 @@ working mathematicians, in the very short term; not in 30 years. Two questions: 1. Isn't that Fricas' direction? -2. Was it not clear that Axiom's fundamental goals and direction at it's inception as this project, were for the long term, LP and documentation? + +2. Was it not clear that Axiom's fundamental goals and direction at +it's inception as this project, were for the long term, LP and +documentation? I fundamentally disagree with the opinion that welcomes the fork so as to have the perfect asnwer "go away; go to Fricas." -I do not believe that anyone "welcomes" a fork. It appears that there is a fundamental divergence of direction and resulting cleaving of flesh. That's painful. I can see "welcoming" the cessation of pain, finish the tear so the flesh can heal. My toe is hurting. It must be much worse for others. - -Do you see this divergence as anything but inevitable? Is that so bad? Doesn't it give more choices for developmental models to use? Do you see anyway these two paths can run concurrently and then merge? If not, then you can't stop the river. Let it flow and pick which side to build your house. I ask these questions to you because you seem to be the most vocally discontented. I do apologize in advance to you or anyone having to deal with my ignorance or naivete of situation and past discussions. My intent is not to frustrate or stir discord but maybe offer a fresh observations. - -Enjoy the conference! -Jocelyn - - - - - - - - - - ____________________________________________________________________________________ -Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - - ---0-1045709264-1185808425=:36782 - -

Gaby,
Thanks for responding.  This is my "why?"
I've -been following the recent postings and have noticed that many are -political and personal, not technical.  I probably wade a toe depth -into the technical end of the pond, maybe less.  That said, all of this -discord affects my personal life so I am trying to understand it.  I am -qualified for political and personal.:-)

Borrowing a metaphor from a friend, it is like trying to get five cars
to California with only four drivers; standard disclaimer included.  

Meaning the limited resource of developers?

Ideally, I would like a system that gets in a state that attracts the
working mathematicians, in the very short term; not in 30 years. 

Two questions:
1.  Isn't that Fricas' direction?
2.  Was it not clear that Axiom's fundamental goals and direction at it's inception as this project, were for the long term, LP and documentation?

I fundamentally disagree with the opinion that welcomes the fork so as
to have the perfect asnwer "go away; go to Fricas."

I - do not believe that anyone "welcomes" a fork.  It appears that there is a fundamental divergence of direction and resulting cleaving of flesh.  That's painful.  I can see "welcoming" the cessation of pain, finish the tear so the flesh can heal.  My toe is hurting.  It must be much worse for others.

Do you see this divergence as anything but inevitable?  Is that so bad?  Doesn't it give more choices for developmental models to use?  Do you see anyway these two paths can run concurrently and then merge?  If not, then you can't stop the river.  Let it flow and pick which side to build your house. I ask these questions to you because you seem to be the most vocally discontented.  I do apologize in advance to you or anyone having to deal with my ignorance or naivete of situation and past discussions.  My intent is not to frustrate or stir discord but maybe offer a fresh observations.

Enjoy the - conference!
Jocelyn




-
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. - - ---0-1045709264-1185808425=:36782-- - +I do not believe that anyone "welcomes" a fork. It appears that there +is a fundamental divergence of direction and resulting cleaving of +flesh. That's painful. I can see "welcoming" the cessation of pain, +finish the tear so the flesh can heal. My toe is hurting. It must be +much worse for others. +Do you see this divergence as anything but inevitable? Is that so +bad? Doesn't it give more choices for developmental models to use? +Do you see anyway these two paths can run concurrently and then merge? +If not, then you can't stop the river. Let it flow and pick which +side to build your house. I ask these questions to you because you +seem to be the most vocally discontented. I do apologize in advance +to you or anyone having to deal with my ignorance or naivete of +situation and past discussions. My intent is not to frustrate or stir +discord but maybe offer a fresh observations. \start Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:25:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Jocelyn Guidry +To: Jocelyn Guidry Subject: Re: goals and direction, axiom vs fricas -Cc: list On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Jocelyn Guidry wrote: @@ -49346,7 +43136,9 @@ limited, scarce, resource of contributors; yes, that is one aspect of it. | | Two questions: | 1. Isn't that Fricas' direction? -| 2. Was it not clear that Axiom's fundamental goals and direction at it's inception as this project, were for the long term, LP and documentation? +| 2. Was it not clear that Axiom's fundamental goals and direction at + it's inception as this project, were for the long term, LP and + documentation? Some people seem to believe that the point of disagreement is that of LP and documentation. That is strawman argument -- at least, as far as @@ -49355,14 +43147,10 @@ my points here many times, and recently posted a link a publically available document that outlines my views. As you would notice, they are mostly technical. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 03:12:27 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Axiom meeting at ISSAC http://wiki.axiom-developer.org/AxiomPresentAndFuture @@ -49421,20 +43209,13 @@ Aldor provided of course that it's licensing conditions were met. Stephen Watt stated that he would "welcome" such a development in the case of the Aldor project. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -To: Bill Page , - Axiom-Developer -Cc: ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > http://www.aldor.org/AldorPublicLicense2_0.html > @@ -49534,29 +43315,14 @@ and the eventual improved user language B-Natural? Those are even sound-alikes for the purposes of the languages - "Be sharp" for rigorous math and "Be natural" for user interaction fits pretty well.) -Cheers, -CY - - - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:13:11 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <945674.14911.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer On 7/31/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: -> --- Bill Page wrote: +> --- Bill Page wrote: > > Fair enough if we get into the nitty gritty, but one question here - is > there anyone who is interested in using Aldor given this non-commercial @@ -49580,19 +43346,11 @@ to the "viral" natue of GPL. I dont know anything about Intellectual property laws in the US but isnt "Axiom" too common a word to qualify as a trademark? -Regards. -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:03:49 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Bill Page" +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <945674.14911.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -Cc: Axiom-Developer > Certainly there are since there are some people using Aldor now and > none of these would qualify as commercial as fas as I know. @@ -49614,21 +43372,16 @@ a major problem, at least for me. There are many open source licenses incompatible with GPL, for example the old BSD license, so Aldor could use that one. -Ondrej - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -To: Bill Page -Cc: Axiom-Developer ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > On 7/31/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: -> > --- Bill Page wrote: +> > --- Bill Page wrote: > > > > Fair enough if we get into the nitty gritty, but one question here > > - is there anyone who is interested in using Aldor given this @@ -49693,28 +43446,14 @@ commercial product would seem to be conclusive proof that it is not too common to qualify. Many other "common" words act as trademarks - have a look in the uspto's trademark search engine. -Cheers, -CY - - - -____________________________________________________________________________________ -Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search -that gives answers, not web links. -http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:05:58 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <437999.12231.qm@web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer On 7/31/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: -> --- Bill Page wrote: +> --- Bill Page wrote: > ... > > The problem as I see it is lack of compatibility with GPL. According to > > Stephen this is deliiberate on the part of NAG. Apparently they @@ -49733,27 +43472,16 @@ particular Emil Volcheck from ACM is also a strong supporter of a truly open source license for Aldor and has offered som advice on how to promote this through the official "political" processes at ACM. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:54:05 -0400 -From: "didier deshommes" +From: Didier Deshommes To: list Subject: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <4db014670707311014qeca4f49rdd96e24823c02b55@mail.gmail.com> - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -From: Bill Page -Date: 31 juil. 2007 18:00 -Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -To: didier deshommes -On 7/31/07, didier deshommes wrote: +On 7/31/07, didier deshommes Didier Deshommes wrote: > ... > How much of Axiom is written using Aldor? @@ -49795,22 +43523,13 @@ similar comments to this effect previously made by Tim Daly. I have previously argued that that will have a negative impact on Axiom's future and I am still of that opinion. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: "didier deshommes" -Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <4db014670707311014qeca4f49rdd96e24823c02b55@mail.gmail.com> - - <4db014670707311754l6b57def7q3aa7b4b746b2c384@mail.gmail.com> -From: Stephen Wilson Date: 31 Jul 2007 21:18:26 -0400 -Cc: list +From: Stephen Wilson +To: Didier Deshommes +Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -"didier deshommes" writes: +Didier Deshommes writes: > > If not, I say we forget about Aldor (and maybe even build > > something better). It seems to me that one year from now, we will > > still be talking about this and not much progress will have been @@ -49821,20 +43540,11 @@ of the Axiom system, and the Aldor question does not impact that effort. If at all interested in the details, please do not hesitate to ask. -Take care, -Steve - - - - \start -To: "Bill Page" -Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <437999.12231.qm@web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - -From: Camm Maguire Date: 31 Jul 2007 21:54:16 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Camm Maguire +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC Greetings! AFAICT: @@ -49865,10 +43575,10 @@ Just my $0.02. Take care, "Bill Page" - writes: + Bill Page writes: > On 7/31/07, Cliff Yapp wrote: -> > --- Bill Page wrote: +> > --- Bill Page wrote: > > ... > > > The problem as I see it is lack of compatibility with GPL. According to > > > Stephen this is deliiberate on the part of NAG. Apparently they @@ -49886,35 +43596,12 @@ Take care, > particular Emil Volcheck from ACM is also a strong supporter of a > truly open source license for Aldor and has offered som advice on how > to promote this through the official "political" processes at ACM. -> -> Regards, -> Bill Page. -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start +Date: 31 Jul 2007 22:24:49 -0400 +From: Stephen Wilson To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC - <437999.12231.qm@web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> - - <54hcnkuiif.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -From: Stephen Wilson -Date: 31 Jul 2007 22:24:49 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer Camm Maguire writes: @@ -49945,11 +43632,3 @@ Camm Maguire writes: > Just my $0.02. Thats worth a lot more than $0.02, IMHO. - - -Sincerely, -Steve - - - - diff --git a/book/2007-08.txt b/book/2007-08.txt index 9870f80..1ec2a7a 100644 --- a/book/2007-08.txt +++ b/book/2007-08.txt @@ -1,14 +1,14 @@ \start Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:13:23 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <437999.12231.qm@web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <54hcnkuiif.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> <87y7gw3sb2.fsf@lattice.localdomain> Cc: Camm Maguire, - Axiom-Developer + list On 31 Jul 2007 22:24:49 -0400, Stephen Wilson wrote: > Camm Maguire writes: @@ -90,11 +90,11 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 02:51:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <437999.12231.qm@web56714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On 7/31/07, C Y wrote: > --- Bill Page wrote: @@ -123,10 +123,10 @@ Bill Page Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -To: Bill Page -Cc: Axiom-Developer +To: Bill Page +Cc: list ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > > > Thus, open Aldor ideally could make significant strides which > > > would be available to the commercial version, but the latter @@ -249,7 +249,7 @@ To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2007 09:25:22 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -272,16 +272,16 @@ not, then... \start -To: "Ondrej Certik" +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <945674.14911.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <85b5c3130707310803w14eec399i883e3d7af0edb2d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2007 09:27:59 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list -"Ondrej Certik" writes: +Ondrej Certik writes: [...] @@ -300,7 +300,7 @@ To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2007 09:30:26 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -321,7 +321,7 @@ To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2007 09:38:11 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -405,7 +405,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -467,7 +467,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -502,7 +502,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:51:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -527,7 +527,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:52:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -557,7 +557,7 @@ the question was raised, the answer was "go for it!". \start Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:55:57 -0400 -From: "didier deshommes" +From: Didier Deshommes To: list Subject: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <4db014670707311014qeca4f49rdd96e24823c02b55@mail.gmail.com> @@ -569,7 +569,7 @@ Subject: Axiom meeting at ISSAC (Sorry, meant to send this to the whole list) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -From: didier deshommes +From: didier deshommes Didier Deshommes Date: 1 ao=FBt 2007 11:53 Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC To: Stephen Wilson @@ -597,7 +597,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC From: Stephen Wilson Date: 01 Aug 2007 14:13:56 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Gabriel Dos Reis writes: > | Indeed, Steve's new compiler may end up looking like that - we'll see. @@ -626,7 +626,7 @@ To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <87ir7z3yxn.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Stephen Wilson wrote: @@ -653,7 +653,7 @@ To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Aug 2007 14:07:07 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: @@ -678,7 +678,7 @@ public statement to the effect. \start -To: "didier deshommes" +To: Didier Deshommes Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <4db014670707311014qeca4f49rdd96e24823c02b55@mail.gmail.com> @@ -749,7 +749,7 @@ Steve \start -To: "didier deshommes" +To: Didier Deshommes Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <4db014670707311014qeca4f49rdd96e24823c02b55@mail.gmail.com> @@ -786,7 +786,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -891,7 +891,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:05:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -1057,7 +1057,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -1099,7 +1099,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:28:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -1344,7 +1344,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -1380,7 +1380,7 @@ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 16:04:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, C Y wrote: @@ -2010,14 +2010,14 @@ index fe3cf7a..5c6116d 100644 \start Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 01:05:22 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <945674.14911.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <85b5c3130707310803w14eec399i883e3d7af0edb2d7@mail.gmail.com> <87643zs51s.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list > | So it cannot go to the Debian main distribution, and that of course is > | a major problem, at least for me. @@ -2036,14 +2036,14 @@ Ondrej \start Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:34:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <945674.14911.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <85b5c3130707310803w14eec399i883e3d7af0edb2d7@mail.gmail.com> <87643zs51s.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <85b5c3130708011605y35805861q6484d65c9da39863@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Ondrej Certik wrote: @@ -2854,8 +2854,8 @@ Steve \start Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:30:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Stephen Wilson" +From: Bill Page +To: Stephen Wilson Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <871wen3sp7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -2937,7 +2937,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:41:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <871wen3sp7.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -2997,7 +2997,7 @@ I fully agree. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:58:53 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: Parser documentation @@ -3096,9 +3096,9 @@ Thread-Topic: Axiom meeting at ISSAC Thread-Index: AcfVd79jVBDMMhlJTT2S4uSjSpQTRQAKPakg <871wen3sp7.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87wswf2drw.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87r6mn2cy9.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87lkcv2c28.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87d4y63obn.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "Bill Page" +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, + Bill Page FILETIME=[A09ED310:01C7D5A2] Cc: list @@ -3136,7 +3136,7 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:58:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: Axiom meeting at ISSAC <871wen3sp7.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87wswf2drw.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87r6mn2cy9.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87lkcv2c28.fsf@lattice.localdomain><87d4y63obn.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -3337,7 +3337,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:09:53 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: i-output and decimal width @@ -3447,7 +3447,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:54:55 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: i-output and decimal width @@ -3462,7 +3462,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:17:14 -0500 -To: "Camm Maguire" +To: Camm Maguire Cc: list Subject: gmp functions @@ -3481,7 +3481,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:45:16 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: Axiom command in LaTeX documents @@ -3502,7 +3502,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:22:57 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: Axiom command in LaTeX documents @@ -3586,7 +3586,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 21:13:57 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: Axiom and streams @@ -3665,7 +3665,7 @@ http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC \start Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:23:17 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list Subject: Axiom under Mac OS X? @@ -3999,8 +3999,8 @@ http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz \start Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:31:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: Axiom under Mac OS X? Cc: list @@ -4029,14 +4029,14 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom under Mac OS X? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 06 Aug 2007 13:02:50 -0500 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -4360,8 +4360,8 @@ Steve \start Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:17:55 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom under Mac OS X? <87myx4sfqt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -4441,8 +4441,8 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:48:15 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: "Bill Page" , list +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Bill Page, list Subject: Re: Axiom under Mac OS X? <87myx4sfqt.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -4456,7 +4456,7 @@ he's unsuccessful, I'll ask here again! Thanks, Alasdair -On 8/7/07, Bill Page wrote: +On 8/7/07, Bill Page wrote: > On 06 Aug 2007 13:02:50 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > > Bill Page writes: > > @@ -5054,7 +5054,7 @@ on. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:45:09 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: ssh problem @@ -5069,7 +5069,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:19:24 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: i-output and decimal width @@ -5234,8 +5234,8 @@ I installed Camm's suggestion at revision 699. \start Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:49:21 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation <9qbqdjyp3x.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -5412,7 +5412,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:42:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation @@ -5471,7 +5471,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: adding new algebra, was: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation @@ -5483,7 +5483,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 Aug 2007 01:50:45 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > This works just as you describe - even with Gold. @@ -5515,7 +5515,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:03:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: adding new algebra, was: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, @@ -5563,7 +5563,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: adding new algebra, was: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation @@ -5577,7 +5577,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 Aug 2007 02:05:26 +0200 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > It is a similar problem but Franz' problem is even more difficult > because it attempts to make a basic change to some existing algebra @@ -5632,7 +5632,7 @@ information from several places... \start Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:13:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation <9qbqdjyp3x.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -5669,7 +5669,7 @@ compiler is failing). \start Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:49:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: adding new algebra, was: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, @@ -5881,7 +5881,7 @@ Thanks for your answers! I'll return back to you. \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:49:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: adding new algebra, was: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation <9qbqdjyp3x.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -5935,7 +5935,7 @@ Bill -- thanks for the detective work! \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:19:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation @@ -6048,7 +6048,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 03:18:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation <9qbqdjyp3x.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -6751,8 +6751,8 @@ Ralf Hemmecke writes: \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:57:00 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: typo in the guessing package pamphlet, was: Re: Algebra and literate documentation <9qbqdjyp3x.fsf@hilbert.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -7104,8 +7104,8 @@ MyPkg(): with \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:24:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Assigning to Element of Array of Records Doesn't Seem to Work <9qlkcmxnor.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -7138,7 +7138,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:46:01 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Assigning to Element of Array of Records Doesn't Seem to Work <9qlkcmxnor.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -7181,8 +7181,8 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:36:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Assigning to Element of Array of Records Doesn't Seem to Work <9qlkcmxnor.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -7221,7 +7221,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Assigning to Element of Array of Records Doesn't Seem to Work <9qlkcmxnor.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -7233,7 +7233,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 08 Aug 2007 19:44:01 +0200 Cc: axiom-dev -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > I would have guessed \begin{spad} but clicking on "Axiom" at the bottom of > > @@ -7260,7 +7260,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:28:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Assigning to Element of Array of Records Doesn't Seem to Work @@ -7453,7 +7453,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:07:02 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: aldor stream oddities @@ -7521,13 +7521,13 @@ Franz \start -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities From: Martin Rubey Date: 09 Aug 2007 17:34:34 +0200 Cc: list -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: > is there a way to get hold of generate$Stream using the aldor compiler? @@ -7598,12 +7598,12 @@ precisely, its first element is non-lazy, but the second is. \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:55:37 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities Cc: list -On 8/9/07, Franz Lehner wrote: +On 8/9/07, Franz Lehner wrote: > Hello, > > is there a way to get hold of generate$Stream using the aldor compiler? @@ -7626,10 +7626,10 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:08:22 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: list, Franz Lehner Hello, @@ -7793,7 +7793,7 @@ That line should read \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:04:06 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: newrule from metalex.lisp @@ -7949,7 +7949,7 @@ Can you explain why the existing code is correct as written? \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:46:21 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: newrule from metalex.lisp @@ -8092,14 +8092,14 @@ Sorry for the noise. \start -Subject: RE: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp +Subject: re: newrule from metalex.lisp Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:33:22 +0200 Thread-Topic: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp Thread-Index: AcfatdmBp/NBXPsrTFqV3H/9yVRhkgABLXYg <87hcn8tui5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Stephen Wilson" , - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Stephen Wilson, + Gabriel Dos Reis FILETIME=[26761C50:01C7DABC] Cc: list @@ -8174,7 +8174,7 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:33:31 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: metalex change @@ -8209,7 +8209,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:37:33 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: metalex change @@ -8310,8 +8310,8 @@ Also, if the function expects strings, we should give it a string. \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:59:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: RE: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: re: newrule from metalex.lisp <87hcn8tui5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F9152C@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> Cc: list @@ -8350,8 +8350,8 @@ Would you object to moving to the new parser (cparse.boot)? \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:07:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Bill Page +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: re: newrule from metalex.lisp <87hcn8tui5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -8578,15 +8578,15 @@ Try this with SBCL: \start -Subject: RE: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp +Subject: re: newrule from metalex.lisp Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:48:29 +0200 Thread-Topic: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp Thread-Index: Acfav8ncJBEUeSmDRMGm5RzK4db0pAABFl4g <87hcn8tui5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F9152C@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis FILETIME=[A4AA9150:01C7DAC6] Cc: list @@ -8620,7 +8620,7 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:59 PM > To: Weiss, Juergen > Cc: Stephen Wilson; list -> Subject: RE: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp +> Subject: re: newrule from metalex.lisp >=20 > Hi Juergen, thanks for the background. >=20 @@ -8645,8 +8645,8 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:52:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -Subject: RE: Re: newrule from metalex.lisp +To: Juergen Weiss +Subject: re: newrule from metalex.lisp <87hcn8tui5.fsf@lattice.localdomain> <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F9152C@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> @@ -8786,8 +8786,8 @@ Steve \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:47:04 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities Cc: list @@ -8809,8 +8809,8 @@ Franz \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:49:19 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" , - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Stephen Wilson, + Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: concatenate and bit-vector @@ -8863,8 +8863,8 @@ code. \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:03:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Franz Lehner" +From: Bill Page +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities @@ -8921,7 +8921,7 @@ Sorry. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:06:35 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -9329,7 +9329,7 @@ ogirinal code just could not make any sense. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:54:15 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: concatenate and bit-vector @@ -9594,8 +9594,8 @@ where NEW is the macro (from vmlisp.lisp) \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:19:12 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -9661,7 +9661,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:30:42 -0500 -To: "Stephen Wilson" +To: Stephen Wilson Cc: list Subject: concatenate and bit-vector @@ -9678,7 +9678,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:45:09 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: numberOfEmptySlots @@ -9694,8 +9694,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:58:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer +From: Bill Page +To: list Subject: Simon Peyton-Jones video on the "threshold of immortality" (and Haskell) @@ -9750,14 +9750,14 @@ loop. No? \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: re: bootstrap Meta/Boot From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Aug 2007 22:37:00 -0500 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | On 8/9/07, Tim Daly wrote: | > @@ -9785,14 +9785,14 @@ Boot-strap. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Simon Peyton-Jones video on the "threshold of immortality" (and Haskell) From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 09 Aug 2007 22:42:18 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | Talk posted by Bruce Stewart: | @@ -9831,7 +9831,7 @@ Subject: re: bootstrap Meta/Boot <87fy2s6owz.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | On 8/9/07, Tim Daly wrote: > | > @@ -10209,7 +10209,7 @@ Tim \start -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities @@ -10217,7 +10217,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 10 Aug 2007 07:42:45 +0200 Cc: list -Franz Lehner writes: +Franz Lehner writes: > dear all, > @@ -10336,11 +10336,11 @@ http://sims.yahoo.com/ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: bootstrap Meta/Boot -To: Bill Page , - "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Bill Page, + Tim Daly Cc: list ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > Apparently these problems can be solved but only with a radically > different build approach than is used now in Axiom, as demonstrated @@ -10500,8 +10500,8 @@ http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:20:32 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner -To: Bill Page +From: Franz Lehner +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities @@ -10569,7 +10569,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:01:52 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities Cc: list @@ -11154,8 +11154,8 @@ Please, let me know. Thanks for your patience. \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:36:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Lisp in Small Pieces <842036.67827.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: list @@ -11241,8 +11241,8 @@ On 08/10/2007 04:21 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:03:55 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: bootstrap Meta/Boot <743642.79205.qm@web56709.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: list @@ -11345,7 +11345,7 @@ Thanks, \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:17:29 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -11413,8 +11413,8 @@ the original Boot code to Lisp you mistyped $x for |$x|, etc? \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:36:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Successful build-improvements compilation <46BC7DB5.9060007@hemmecke.de> @@ -11487,7 +11487,7 @@ $previousTime for |$previousTime|. \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:41:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Successful build-improvements compilation <46BC7DB5.9060007@hemmecke.de> @@ -11655,7 +11655,7 @@ I'm looking forward to your concrete realization. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Successful build-improvements compilation <87fy2r31yq.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46BC7DB5.9060007@hemmecke.de> @@ -11664,7 +11664,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 10 Aug 2007 11:05:33 -0500 Cc: axiom-dev -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | On 8/10/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: @@ -11733,7 +11733,7 @@ Many thanks, \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:13:54 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -11827,7 +11827,7 @@ Well, that is probably when one discounts other natural languages around. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:24:56 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -11866,7 +11866,7 @@ is a typo for |$TraceFlag|. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:33:47 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -11919,8 +11919,8 @@ Subject: RE: |New,ENTRY,2| Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:38:55 +0200 Thread-Topic: |New,ENTRY,2| Thread-Index: AcfbZK2BTZfDBMotTtGpuK2X0fFdMQABBTEw -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Tim Daly FILETIME=[F1D75340:01C7DB6C] Cc: list @@ -12008,7 +12008,7 @@ Where is NewSYSTOK? \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:42:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: |New,ENTRY,2| <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91530@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> Cc: list @@ -12100,8 +12100,8 @@ Brute force grep reveals both postprop.lisp and property.lisp want \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:00:25 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -12176,7 +12176,7 @@ On 8/10/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:17:31 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: Definition of big float marker @@ -12286,7 +12286,7 @@ we really want to say \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:29:06 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -12380,8 +12380,8 @@ do you still have a link to the original open sourced Axiom from NAG? \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:43:57 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot @@ -13345,8 +13345,8 @@ index 850237d..eaa76b7 100644 \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:51:32 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Successful build-improvements compilation <46BC7DB5.9060007@hemmecke.de> @@ -13369,7 +13369,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:28:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Successful build-improvements compilation <46BC7DB5.9060007@hemmecke.de> @@ -13395,9 +13395,9 @@ Thanks for the report. \start Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:34:13 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer -Cc: eisber@eisber.net +From: Bill Page +To: list +Cc: Markus Cozowicz Subject: Statistik Wiki implementation of Axiom interface Markus Cozowicz has implemented a MediaWiki interface for Axiom. This @@ -13426,7 +13426,7 @@ Bill Page -------------- -From: Markus Cozowicz +From: Markus Cozowicz To: Bill Page CC: , Martin Rubey Date: May 27 2007 - 7:21pm @@ -13782,7 +13782,7 @@ Thank *you*. \start Subject: Re: 20070810.01.tpd.patch -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem +From: Gregory Vanuxem To: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:55:12 +0200 Cc: list @@ -13870,7 +13870,7 @@ Tim Daly \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:05:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot <87hcn7we5c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46BD3339.6070607@cesmail.net> @@ -13905,7 +13905,7 @@ Bill Page \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:17:52 -0500 -To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Gregory Vanuxem +To: Gregory Vanuxem Cc: list Subject: 20070810.01.tpd.patch bug @@ -14094,7 +14094,7 @@ gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:36:53 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: ChangeLog on Silver @@ -14130,7 +14130,7 @@ We have Tim-ChangeLog format. That isn't a standard changelog format. \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:42:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: bootstrap Meta/Boot <87hcn7we5c.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46BD3339.6070607@cesmail.net> @@ -14436,7 +14436,7 @@ Applied to Axiom.silver. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:17:33 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: ChangeLog on Silver @@ -14479,7 +14479,7 @@ I did not ignore it. On the contrary, I addressed it. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:29:53 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: ChangeLog on Silver @@ -14655,7 +14655,7 @@ Steve \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:46:25 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: ChangeLog on Silver @@ -14769,8 +14769,8 @@ properly addressed it. \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:03:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: re: ChangeLog on Silver Cc: list @@ -14803,7 +14803,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:05:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: ChangeLog on Silver @@ -14875,14 +14875,14 @@ Applied to Axiom.silver. \start -Subject: RE: Re: ChangeLog on Silver +Subject: re: ChangeLog on Silver Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:37:03 +0200 Thread-Topic: Re: ChangeLog on Silver Thread-Index: AcfcQeLLVJJHKH+jS/qd174ywTdWdAAA/nEg -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Bill Page" , - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Bill Page, + Gabriel Dos Reis FILETIME=[9CD3DBE0:01C7DC46] Cc: list @@ -14944,7 +14944,7 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: = \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:55:38 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities @@ -16309,8 +16309,8 @@ Steve \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:58:01 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <200708112353.l7BNrATa023414@matrix.start.ca> @@ -16431,8 +16431,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:02:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <87y7gh1suj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -16470,7 +16470,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:11:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <200708112353.l7BNrATa023414@matrix.start.ca> @@ -16675,7 +16675,7 @@ Do you see code in the compiler that supports that? \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:47:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <87y7gh1suj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -16870,8 +16870,8 @@ Subject: RE: A curious algebra failure Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:11:42 +0200 Thread-Topic: A curious algebra failure Thread-Index: AcfcaX8+0tSS+hzKRPWEKB7AM1x8ZwAVOl4g -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, FILETIME=[2F6E1830:01C7DCC9] Cc: @@ -17105,8 +17105,8 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:16:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Bill Page +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91533@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -17138,8 +17138,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:17:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <87y7gh1suj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <878x8hr2rq.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -17319,7 +17319,7 @@ No, you did not. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:33:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <87y7gh1suj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <878x8hr2rq.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -17452,8 +17452,8 @@ That might help. Let me test Jurgen's fix, first. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:37:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis <9qbqdd19qq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: axiom-devel , @@ -17491,7 +17491,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:40:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <9qbqdd19qq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -17536,14 +17536,14 @@ and Emacs :-) \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91533@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 12 Aug 2007 08:40:32 -0500 Cc: list -"Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss writes: +Juergen Weiss writes: | Hi, | @@ -17592,7 +17592,7 @@ I like your semantics description and suggested fix better. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:42:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91533@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> @@ -17623,9 +17623,9 @@ I fully agree with that. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:44:38 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -Cc: Axiom-Developer +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly +Cc: list Subject: Re: Wiki On 8/12/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -17664,8 +17664,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:48:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis <9qbqdd19qq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -17702,7 +17702,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:51:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <9qbqdd19qq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -17747,7 +17747,7 @@ the same setting as for the axiom-developer? \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:55:56 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: Wiki @@ -17762,8 +17762,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:57:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis <9qbqdd19qq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -17804,7 +17804,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: Re: A curious algebra failure <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91533@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> <87bqdcx44v.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -17837,7 +17837,7 @@ It also fails. But, I believe your suggested fix is the most correct. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:00:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <9qbqdd19qq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -18022,8 +18022,8 @@ Ralf \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:29:09 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: re: bootstrap Meta/Boot <46BE3CFE.6000604@hemmecke.de> Cc: list @@ -18082,11 +18082,11 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: bootstrap Meta/Boot -To: Bill Page , Ralf Hemmecke +To: Bill Page, Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > Ralf, > @@ -18148,7 +18148,7 @@ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:38:27 +0200 Thread-Topic: A curious algebra failure Thread-Index: Acfc6Lw/MA9LYOhSSHOWJsaih8mIoQAFMeIg <87zm0wetpc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +From: Juergen Weiss To: Gabriel Dos Reis FILETIME=[3632F970:01C7DCFF] Cc: list @@ -18206,7 +18206,7 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:41:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: A curious algebra failure <87zm0wetpc.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91534@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> @@ -18577,7 +18577,7 @@ http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:51:11 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Message-id: <46BF80CF.E51CD0A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 <87y7gh1suj.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <878x8hr2rq.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -18674,7 +18674,7 @@ mathematical language like Axiom, and you need "literate programming" or \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:00:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -18716,7 +18716,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:02:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <873aypr1iw.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -18744,8 +18744,8 @@ That would be great! \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:10:55 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <87veblplzb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -18780,7 +18780,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:16:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <87veblplzb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -18899,9 +18899,9 @@ Thread-Index: AcfdLmZG4klYnLbjTNKBw5spkW7JawAALrcg <46BF80CF.E51CD0A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "Bill Page" +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, + Bill Page FILETIME=[209489D0:01C7DD31] Cc: list @@ -18998,9 +18998,9 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) -To: "Bill Page" ,William Sit +To: Bill Page,William Sit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:56:51 -0400 Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -19016,7 +19016,7 @@ general principle, should wrong explanations be removed)? William On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:00:40 -0400 - "Bill Page" wrote: + Bill Page wrote: >other people >who might be subscribed only to the Axiom Wiki as a whole >will not @@ -19029,7 +19029,7 @@ On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:00:40 -0400 \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:13:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Subject: RE: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <87veblplzb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -19096,8 +19096,8 @@ go according to that paper? \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:18:36 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" William Sit +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -19136,7 +19136,7 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:43:51 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss +To: Juergen Weiss Message-id: <46BF9B37.802420D6@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 <87veblplzb.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -19259,7 +19259,7 @@ William \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:26:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -19310,7 +19310,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:28:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -19364,8 +19364,8 @@ should behave according to those rules? \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:32:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46BF80CF.E51CD0A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -19401,7 +19401,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:35:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46BF80CF.E51CD0A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -19449,8 +19449,8 @@ How would it apply? \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:14:51 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -19497,7 +19497,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:19:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -19553,9 +19553,9 @@ be of the unnamed category \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) -To: Gabriel Dos Reis,Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis,Bill Page Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:40:53 -0400 Cc: list @@ -19687,8 +19687,8 @@ instead of "has". \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:50:50 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) Cc: list @@ -19824,7 +19824,7 @@ Bill Page \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -19832,7 +19832,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 13 Aug 2007 00:28:49 -0500 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -19870,8 +19870,8 @@ semantics of "being coercible to the type of formal parameter". \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:06:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -19881,7 +19881,7 @@ Cc: list Gaby, On 13 Aug 2007 00:28:49 -0500, you wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -20026,7 +20026,7 @@ William Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:15:05 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Message-id: <46C01309.9A431617@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -20074,7 +20074,7 @@ Bill Page wrote: > Gaby, > > On 13 Aug 2007 00:28:49 -0500, you wrote: -> > "Bill Page" writes: +> > Bill Page writes: > > > > [...] > > @@ -20296,7 +20296,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:39:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss, +To: Juergen Weiss, axiom-dev Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <4A2AB4CC01998D46807D8032B06CDBDA02F91535@EXCHANGE01.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE> @@ -20448,7 +20448,7 @@ On 08/13/2007 12:35 AM, Weiss, Juergen wrote: \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:27:03 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list boundary="----=_Part_38020_26929871.1186997223304" Subject: A bug in windows Axiom @@ -20492,13 +20492,13 @@ Here is how to reproduce the bug: on windows Axiom, enter the following tiny fun \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Aug 2007 11:46:35 +0200 Cc: list -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: > I'm using Axiom with some cryptography students; at this very early stage we > are having fun with very simple ciphers (Vigenere, Hill, etc), so we need to @@ -20539,7 +20539,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:36:53 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Cc: list, aldor-l , Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -20769,7 +20769,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:59:20 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -20787,8 +20787,8 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:08:40 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom Cc: list @@ -20838,7 +20838,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:19:46 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: aldor stream oddities @@ -21341,9 +21341,9 @@ Thread-Topic: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) Thread-Index: Acfdufop+QXeEv1LS3y0yyKSRZ8+UwABCoAg <46C070D0.2040309@hemmecke.de> -From: "Weiss, Juergen" Juergen Weiss -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke, - "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Juergen Weiss +To: Ralf Hemmecke, + Gabriel Dos Reis FILETIME=[677E3E80:01C7DDBE] Cc: list @@ -21449,8 +21449,8 @@ Juergen Weiss| 55099 Mainz, Tel: +49(6131)39-26361, FAX: \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:28:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -21687,7 +21687,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:49:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -21736,8 +21736,8 @@ principle of least surprise. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:20:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46C00A7C.3B4A120A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -21804,8 +21804,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:24:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -21870,7 +21870,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:29:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46C00A7C.3B4A120A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -21978,7 +21978,7 @@ of 4000+ line. I can post more if you want, but not to the list. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -21987,7 +21987,7 @@ Date: 13 Aug 2007 00:39:45 -0500 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | Gaby, | @@ -22089,7 +22089,7 @@ Is that less confusing? \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:46:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) <46C00A7C.3B4A120A@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -22112,8 +22112,8 @@ to the compiler. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:04:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -22222,7 +22222,7 @@ Thanks; I had a copy, but I did not get back to it. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:06:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -22517,7 +22517,7 @@ function compImport. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:57:07 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list <46C045AC.9080800@hemmecke.de> @@ -22778,8 +22778,8 @@ bad, sometimes that is good. \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:36:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -22847,8 +22847,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:27:15 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" -To: "Bill Page" , list +From: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Bill Page, list Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom boundary="----=_Part_49926_3897749.1187054835413" @@ -22867,7 +22867,7 @@ upgraded? Thanks, Alasdair -On 8/13/07, Bill Page wrote: +On 8/13/07, Bill Page wrote: > > On 8/13/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > @@ -22917,7 +22917,7 @@ On 8/13/07, Bill Page wrote: ------=_Part_49926_3897749.1187054835413 Thanks, that worked fine!

Now - I don't want to have to go through the arduous business of downloading masses of stuff before I can compile Axiom on Windows (and neither do my students).  All I want is one simple installation file: download, install and that's it.  Do you know if the current Windows binary will ever be upgraded? -

Thanks,
Alasdair

On 8/13/07, Bill Page <bill.page@newsynthesis.org> wrote:
+

Thanks,
Alasdair

On 8/13/07, Bill Page <Bill Page> wrote:
On 8/13/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote:
>
> I'm using Axiom with some cryptography students; at this very early stage we
> are having fun with very simple ciphers (Vigenere, Hill, etc), so we need to
> transfer from a string to a list of integers.
>
>  Here is how to reproduce the bug: on windows Axiom, enter the following
> tiny function:
>
> str2lst(str)==map(x +-> ord(x)-65,members(str))
>
> Now try to use it:
>
> str2lst("ABCD")
>
> Axiom will crash (apparently it creates an error log, but I don't know where
> to find this log).  Help or advice would be very welcome! @@ -22932,8 +22932,8 @@ On 8/13/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote:
>
> I'm using Axiom with so \start Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:06:55 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom <1d67a53c0708131827t13114b32gd39a1a5213c9717b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -23007,7 +23007,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:27:28 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: "has" and "with" (was curious algebra failure) @@ -23269,7 +23269,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:05:23 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: Another strange coercion <46C070D0.2040309@hemmecke.de> @@ -23522,7 +23522,7 @@ William \start Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:10:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) @@ -23600,7 +23600,7 @@ http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz \start Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:42:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: list Subject: Re: Lisp in Small Pieces <842036.67827.qm@web56706.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -23655,10 +23655,10 @@ On 8/15/07, Amazon.ca Customer Service wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Lisp in Small Pieces -To: Bill Page , list +To: Bill Page, list Cc: ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > Well, > @@ -23692,7 +23692,7 @@ http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz \start Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:35:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious algebrafailure) <87zm0v1p31.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <46C070D0.2040309@hemmecke.de> <46C186EA.3060808@hemmecke.de> <9qir7ibalt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46C204F4.46F1768C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -23763,7 +23763,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] "has" and "with" (was curious <46C204F4.46F1768C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Aug 2007 09:01:11 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis I do not know yet what Bnatural is. But if the axiom interpreter does not @@ -23885,7 +23885,7 @@ MIME-version: 1.0 <9qir7ibalt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46C204F4.46F1768C@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <9qy7gc55fs.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -24104,7 +24104,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:23:30 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <46C045AC.9080800@hemmecke.de> <87zm0v1p31.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -24344,7 +24344,7 @@ To: William Sit <46C422DE.4D513C6F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Aug 2007 14:10:10 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke, +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: .spad, .input, .as and autocoercion @@ -24474,7 +24474,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey <9qy7gc55fs.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <46C422DE.4D513C6F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <9qhcmzbrz1.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: .spad, .input, .as and autocoercion On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -24517,7 +24517,7 @@ To: Gabriel Dos Reis From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Aug 2007 14:34:20 +0200 -Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: .spad, .input, .as and autocoercion Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -24552,7 +24552,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey <9qhcmzbrz1.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qr6m3k69f.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: .spad, .input, .as and autocoercion On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -25817,13 +25817,13 @@ OK; thanks! \start Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:24:42 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom <1d67a53c0708131827t13114b32gd39a1a5213c9717b@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list -On 8/13/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +On 8/13/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > Now - I don't want to have to go through the arduous business of downloading > masses of stuff before I can compile Axiom on Windows (and neither do my @@ -25850,7 +25850,7 @@ Alfredo \start Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:25:39 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom <1d67a53c0708131827t13114b32gd39a1a5213c9717b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -25868,7 +25868,7 @@ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom To: Alfredo Portes, - Alasdair McAndrew + Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list --- Alfredo Portes wrote: @@ -25942,7 +25942,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:37:38 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A bug in windows Axiom <1d67a53c0708131827t13114b32gd39a1a5213c9717b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -25953,7 +25953,7 @@ Cc: axiom-dev Hi Alasdair, -On 8/23/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +On 8/23/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > Thank you very much! I shall try it out as soon as I can. Does this > version include Tim's help files? @@ -25992,7 +25992,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:36:42 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" , +To: Alasdair McAndrew Alfredo Portes, Cc: list Subject: new algebra documentation @@ -38744,8 +38744,8 @@ Martin \start Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:27:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: Re: Interpreter commands from Spad? Cc: list @@ -38795,8 +38795,8 @@ Arthur \start Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:01:59 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs +From: Bill Page +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: Re: Interpreter commands from Spad? <46D5A01E.2060302@shaw.ca> diff --git a/book/2007-09.txt b/book/2007-09.txt index a4b7aac..5df741d 100644 --- a/book/2007-09.txt +++ b/book/2007-09.txt @@ -1,8 +1,8 @@ \start Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:39:26 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Stephen Watt" Stephen Watt, aldor-l -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Subject: Aldor source code release! @@ -46,12 +46,12 @@ Bill Page. \start -From: Gregory Vanuxem Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page +From: Gregory Vanuxem +To: Bill Page Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:36:02 +0200 Cc: Stephen Watt, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , - open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer + open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, list Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Aldor source code release! Many thanks. @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ Le samedi 01 septembre 2007 =E0 14:39 -0400, Bill Page a =E9crit : \start Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:48:31 +1000 -From: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list boundary="----=_Part_1242_5941675.1188686911319" Subject: A student comment @@ -149,7 +149,7 @@ As some of you may know, this semester I am using Axiom in a cryptography subjec \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:12:01 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: A student comment @@ -199,7 +199,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:17:09 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: Algebra documentation @@ -249,7 +249,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:31:08 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A student comment Cc: list @@ -257,7 +257,7 @@ Hi Alasdair, Did the Windows installer work fine for you and your students? -On 9/1/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: +On 9/1/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > As some of you may know, this semester I am using Axiom in a cryptography > subject. I have asked my students to comment briefly on what they > like/dislike about it. Some like it, and find it "intuitive", while others @@ -289,13 +289,13 @@ Alfredo \start -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A student comment From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Sep 2007 19:38:44 -0500 Cc: list -"Alasdair McAndrew" writes: +Alasdair McAndrew writes: | As some of you may know, this semester I am using Axiom in a cryptography | subject. I have asked my students to comment briefly on what they @@ -327,8 +327,8 @@ Thanks for the feedback. \start Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:14:46 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew Subject: Re: A student comment Cc: list @@ -452,12 +452,12 @@ kadWq+6/iAzN/K0RR1kW2fU= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: A student comment -To: Bill Page , - Alasdair McAndrew +To: Bill Page, + Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > On 9/1/07, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: > > As some of you may know, this semester I am using Axiom in a @@ -656,10 +656,10 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:12:56 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: aldor-l Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? Dear Aldorados, @@ -730,14 +730,14 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 03 Sep 2007 21:43:53 -0500 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | Dear Aldorados, | @@ -793,12 +793,12 @@ from within Axiom (and vice versa) through ISA like FOAM. \start Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:22:31 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l On 03 Sep 2007 21:43:53 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > ... @@ -834,7 +834,7 @@ Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, aldor-l On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -868,11 +868,11 @@ documentation issue with Stephen when I was in London last July. \start Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:39:10 -0400 From: Stephen Watt -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, aldor-l , Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -895,7 +895,7 @@ to take an address of something.) \start To: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, aldor-l From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Sep 2007 09:20:59 +0200 @@ -928,10 +928,10 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:05:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Bill Page, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, aldor-l Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra @@ -985,13 +985,13 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:14:54 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Stephen Watt" Stephen Watt Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <20070904033910.GD12628@ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, aldor-l , Gabriel Dos Reis @@ -1065,14 +1065,14 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:26:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <20070904033910.GD12628@ptibonum.scl.csd.uwo.ca> Cc: Stephen Watt, - Axiom-Developer , + list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, aldor-l @@ -1116,17 +1116,17 @@ experts who already know their contents :-) \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 04 Sep 2007 16:32:12 +0200 Cc: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 04 Sep 2007 09:20:59 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: > > @@ -1177,8 +1177,8 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:34:08 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -1186,7 +1186,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? Cc: Stephen Watt, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , Laurentiu Dragan, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On 9/4/07, Bill Page wrote: @@ -1226,8 +1226,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:39:35 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -1235,7 +1235,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? Cc: Stephen Watt, - Axiom-Developer , + list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, aldor-l @@ -1263,7 +1263,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:45:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -1272,7 +1272,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? Cc: Stephen Watt, - Axiom-Developer , + list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, aldor-l @@ -1303,17 +1303,17 @@ codes. I suspect that was the work of Peter Broadbery -- anyone to concur? \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 04 Sep 2007 09:53:18 -0500 Cc: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: [...] @@ -1336,18 +1336,18 @@ welcome. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:32:06 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis <87myw2pjmp.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Cc: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra On 04 Sep 2007 09:53:18 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > [...] > @@ -1384,11 +1384,11 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:13:12 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra @@ -1412,7 +1412,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Bill Page, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, aldor-l Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra @@ -1436,13 +1436,13 @@ databases and other derivative information. \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:12:12 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes Cc: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra @@ -1500,7 +1500,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:48:35 -0400 From: Laurentiu Dragan -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -1509,7 +1509,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? Cc: Stephen Watt, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Bill Page wrote: @@ -1535,7 +1535,7 @@ Laurentiu \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:18:04 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Laurentiu Dragan" Laurentiu Dragan Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <878x7nrvyu.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -1546,7 +1546,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] Axiom for Aldor or Aldor for Axiom? <46DDB693.8050601@uwo.ca> Cc: Stephen Watt, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , Gabriel Dos Reis, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On 9/4/07, Laurentiu Dragan wrote: @@ -1572,7 +1572,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:55:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: Bill Page, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, aldor-l Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra @@ -1612,8 +1612,8 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:28:48 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: A student comment Cc: list @@ -1646,7 +1646,7 @@ Ondrej Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:42:01 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer , aldor-l + list, aldor-l Subject: re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra @@ -1713,7 +1713,7 @@ VVfLQ4ARvxBUiDn5HB1gZhI= \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:18:46 -0500 -To: "Ondrej Certik" +To: Ondrej Certik Cc: list Subject: A student comment @@ -1779,8 +1779,8 @@ Tim, the newly cynical curmudgeon. \start Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:44:56 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: A student comment @@ -1859,7 +1859,7 @@ Ondrej \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:33:02 -0500 -To: "Ondrej Certik" +To: Ondrej Certik Cc: list Subject: A student comment @@ -2123,7 +2123,7 @@ ________________________________________________________________________ \start Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:12:49 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" , +To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes From: Christian Aistleitner @@ -2131,14 +2131,14 @@ From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: Bill Page, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: APL2 is evil [was: Re: [Aldor-l] [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra] Hello, -On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:12:12 +0200, Bill Page +On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:12:12 +0200, Bill Page wrote: > For @@ -3154,7 +3154,7 @@ Go GUI. \start Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:11:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Christian Aistleitner @@ -3163,7 +3163,7 @@ To: Christian Aistleitner Cc: Stephen Watt, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , Bill Page, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: APL2 is evil [was: Re: [Aldor-l] [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra] @@ -3210,7 +3210,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner, aldor-l , Bill Page, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: APL2 is evil [was: Re: [Aldor-l] [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra] @@ -3392,7 +3392,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:41:53 +0200 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Christian Aistleitner @@ -3402,14 +3402,14 @@ From: Christian Aistleitner Cc: Stephen Watt, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, aldor-l , Bill Page, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: APL2 is evil [was: Re: [Aldor-l] [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] umlaut in Guess - mailing list for algebra] Hello, -On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:11:24 +0200, Bill Page +On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:11:24 +0200, Bill Page wrote: > On 9/5/07, Christian Aistleitner wrote: @@ -16067,7 +16067,7 @@ Dave Feustel \start Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:03:42 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: dfeustel@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Axiom for 64-bit AMD OpenBSD 4.1 Cc: list @@ -16127,7 +16127,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:16:59 -0500 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: Mailing List Etiquette @@ -16148,8 +16148,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:01:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette @@ -16238,7 +16238,7 @@ index f95a511..9973ef1 100644 \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:07:14 -0500 -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit Cc: list Subject: bug #361 @@ -16394,7 +16394,7 @@ Home page: .......http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:01:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: re: bug #361 <46E34EF1.AB5070D9@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -16444,7 +16444,7 @@ On 9/8/07, William Sit wrote: Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:22:11 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: re: bug #361 -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Message-id: <46E38303.46E85EDC@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 <46E34EF1.AB5070D9@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -16791,7 +16791,7 @@ index 6f588bc..0000000 \start Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:34:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Subject: re: bug #361 <46E34EF1.AB5070D9@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> @@ -27275,7 +27275,7 @@ http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:05:14 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list Subject: Gold @@ -27342,7 +27342,7 @@ http://tv.yahoo.com/ \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:57:31 -0500 -To: "Cliff Yapp" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Cc: list Subject: Gold numbering scheme @@ -27369,7 +27369,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:11:01 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Gold numbering scheme Cc: list @@ -27605,7 +27605,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:59:19 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions boundary="----=_Part_39103_7054220.1189709959257" <9qlkeh3hlq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -29479,7 +29479,7 @@ and installs fine. \start -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire, Ed Borasky Cc: list Subject: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? @@ -29610,7 +29610,7 @@ could you please forward the entire thing? Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Ed, > @@ -29750,7 +29750,7 @@ This patch has been applied and tested. Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:59:19 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: Two hyperdoc questions On 18 Jun 2007 08:24:33 +0200, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -30899,7 +30899,7 @@ Maxima and the Lisp music codes I run. \start -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? <46EC3755.3010806@cesmail.net> <46EC3B1D.8080505@cesmail.net> @@ -31031,7 +31031,7 @@ from elsewhere -- but that is just me. \start -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? <46EC3755.3010806@cesmail.net> <46EC3B1D.8080505@cesmail.net> @@ -31466,7 +31466,7 @@ So ... what does all that say? \start -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? <46EC3755.3010806@cesmail.net> <46EC3B1D.8080505@cesmail.net> @@ -31907,7 +31907,7 @@ supposed to behave. \start -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? <46EC3755.3010806@cesmail.net> <46EC3B1D.8080505@cesmail.net> @@ -31965,7 +31965,7 @@ went up to 2 GB and came with Windows Vista installed. I don't need that. :) \start -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? <46EC3B1D.8080505@cesmail.net> <199912050646.dB56k4P26578@localhost.localdomain> <46EC76EC.1030508@cesmail.net> <199912050736.dB57aOj26652@localhost.localdomain> <46ECB774.4030109@cesmail.net> <199912051156.dB5BuJ608978@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32517,7 +32517,7 @@ znmeb@DreamScape ~ $ \start Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:40:27 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? <46EC3B1D.8080505@cesmail.net> <199912050646.dB56k4P26578@localhost.localdomain> <46EC76EC.1030508@cesmail.net> <199912050736.dB57aOj26652@localhost.localdomain> <46ECB774.4030109@cesmail.net> <199912051156.dB5BuJ608978@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32551,7 +32551,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:40:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 08:12:07 -0700) Subject: Re: Axiom server @@ -32564,7 +32564,7 @@ Excellent. I'll put it into the update queue. Thanks. --Tim \start Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:35:32 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: Axiom server <200709161540.l8GFewN09430@localhost.localdomain> @@ -32646,7 +32646,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:31:32 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Axiom server Cc: list @@ -33025,7 +33025,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:10:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 17 Sep 2007 11:39:46 -0400) Subject: Re: GCL on an AMD64 Linux system? @@ -33129,7 +33129,7 @@ Alfredo \start Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:05:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Reis on 17 Sep 2007 21:14:57 -0500) Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette @@ -33232,7 +33232,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 18 Sep 2007 08:06:45 -0500 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Gaby, | @@ -33253,7 +33253,7 @@ answer, but it was appropriate. \start Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:18:57 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette <46EE8342.5000807@cesmail.net> @@ -33290,7 +33290,7 @@ Ondrej \start Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:36:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette <46EE8342.5000807@cesmail.net> @@ -33313,8 +33313,8 @@ Even if you gave incentive to create the fork? \start Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:26:38 +0200 -From: "Ondrej Certik" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette <46EE8342.5000807@cesmail.net> @@ -33345,10 +33345,10 @@ Ondrej Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Cc: list ---- Ondrej Certik wrote: +--- Ondrej Certik wrote: > I don't know, never happened to me yet. But one thing is what I like > or don't like and another thing is how to spend my time effectively @@ -33378,7 +33378,7 @@ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http:/ \start -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 18 Sep 2007 14:31:08 -0500 @@ -33386,7 +33386,7 @@ Cc: list Cliff Yapp writes: -| --- Ondrej Certik wrote: +| --- Ondrej Certik wrote: | | > I don't know, never happened to me yet. But one thing is what I like | > or don't like and another thing is how to spend my time effectively @@ -33412,7 +33412,7 @@ tin air. Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Ondrej Certik +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Ondrej Certik Cc: list --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: @@ -33535,7 +33535,7 @@ what I sense when I happen to talk with former Axiom developers or users. \start Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:13:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:13:49 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette @@ -33563,7 +33563,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:31:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette <200709191813.l8JIDQ917202@localhost.localdomain> @@ -33590,7 +33590,7 @@ yesterday) call Axiom. \start Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:41:28 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:31:44 -0500 (CDT)) Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette @@ -33681,7 +33681,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:53:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette <200709191813.l8JIDQ917202@localhost.localdomain> @@ -34039,9 +34039,9 @@ index 0000000..b82caf0 \start Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:46:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: amca01@gmail.com, Arthur Ralfs - (amca01@gmail.com) +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew, Arthur Ralfs + (Alasdair McAndrew) <1d67a53c0709211706t61cc848bi9d2b8620f92d6aa1@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list Subject: Re: hyperdoc on windows @@ -34204,7 +34204,7 @@ I have the regular paid Komodo IDE and I love it. \start Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:52:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes (Alfredo Portes) Subject: re: hyperdoc on windows @@ -34407,7 +34407,7 @@ Camm Maguire wrote: > > Take care, > -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > >> Ed, >> @@ -42327,7 +42327,7 @@ index 0000000..59e6838 \start Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:45:45 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes (Alfredo Portes) Subject: re: hyperdoc on windows @@ -45093,7 +45093,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Sep 2007 09:11:16 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > >I think it will be good to add Martin's code to Arthur's work to browse > >the databases: @@ -45203,7 +45203,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:39:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 09:14:38 -0700) Subject: Re: axserver patch @@ -45794,7 +45794,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:41:50 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: Re: axserver patch <46F5494D.9020804@shaw.ca> @@ -45849,9 +45849,9 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:43:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes, - "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes, + Alasdair McAndrew Sep 2007 10:49:54 -0700) <200709221639.l8MGdZn19178@localhost.localdomain> <46F555C2.5020100@shaw.ca> @@ -45896,7 +45896,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:05:50 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Message-id: <46F5C9FE.4000505@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 <200709221639.l8MGdZn19178@localhost.localdomain> @@ -45961,7 +45961,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:22:47 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , Alfredo Portes, - "Alasdair McAndrew" + Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: newhyper.pamphlet @@ -46637,7 +46637,7 @@ static char axiom_bits[] = { \start Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:35:41 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 19:05:50 -0700) <200709221639.l8MGdZn19178@localhost.localdomain> @@ -46820,7 +46820,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:32:17 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: svn server @@ -46858,7 +46858,7 @@ On 9/23/07, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: \start Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:33:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 12:30:19 -0700) Subject: re: axserver and hyperdoc @@ -46940,7 +46940,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:34:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes (Alfredo Portes) @@ -46967,7 +46967,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:00:39 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 21:29:28 -0700) Subject: re: axserver and hyperdoc @@ -47012,7 +47012,7 @@ To: Tim Daly, Arthur Ralfs Cc: list ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > I do have to find the Math1..N fonts for firefox > under linux. Variable sized parens and brackets are @@ -47127,7 +47127,7 @@ As long as either option works I'm happy. \start Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:29:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 10:19:19 -0700) <46F76524.4060703@shaw.ca> @@ -47163,8 +47163,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:42:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Camm Maguire" +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: GCL-2.6.8pre cygwin @@ -47844,8 +47844,8 @@ daly@deadbeef ~/gcl-2_6_8pre \start Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:35:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Camm Maguire" +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: gcl-2.6.8pre on cygwin @@ -47867,8 +47867,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:49:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Camm Maguire" , gcl-devel@gnu.org +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire, gcl-devel@gnu.org Cc: list Subject: [Alfredo Portes: Re: hyperdoc on windows] @@ -47884,7 +47884,7 @@ Tim ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Tim, -On 9/26/07, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 9/26/07, Tim Daly wrote: > excellent. thanks. i'll see if i can get a running version. > > if you have a few minutes can you try to get a working socket? @@ -47929,7 +47929,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:00:49 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: Axiom on windows @@ -48434,7 +48434,7 @@ Regards, Alfredo -On 9/27/07, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 9/27/07, Tim Daly wrote: > Please be aware that if you have axiom installed on windows > and you later install openaxiom, your axiom installation will break. > Re-installing axiom will fix the problem. @@ -49074,7 +49074,7 @@ al+approaches.html} \start Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:46:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 28 Sep 2007 08:23:54 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -49240,7 +49240,7 @@ Email: nico@pnjgroup.co.za \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:04:34 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: End Of File Hi everyone, @@ -49290,7 +49290,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:41:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes (Alfredo Portes) Subject: Re: End Of File @@ -49312,7 +49312,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:43:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 29 Sep 2007 15:38:48 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -49890,7 +49890,7 @@ Cc: Bill Page, list, axiom-legal@nongnu.org Subject: Re: Copyright notice Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > > I just realised that you are possibly breaking Copyright in your pamphl= et. See @@ -49967,7 +49967,7 @@ CY \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:30:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 29 Sep 2007 18:05:07 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50001,7 +50001,7 @@ Date: 29 Sep 2007 18:42:55 +0200 Cc: list Subject: Re: Copyright notice Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Please send a reference to Gunter's paper. I did: @@ -50035,7 +50035,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:47:19 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 29 Sep 2007 18:05:07 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50091,7 +50091,7 @@ Date: 29 Sep 2007 18:55:21 +0200 Cc: axiom-legal@nongnu.org, list Subject: Re: Copyright notice Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > In total number of characters and time, the source text TeX, the regression > test case generation, the system merge issues, the testing and the patch @@ -50132,7 +50132,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:10:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 29 Sep 2007 18:55:21 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50180,7 +50180,7 @@ Date: 29 Sep 2007 19:51:19 +0200 Cc: axiom-legal@nongnu.org, list Subject: Re: Copyright notice Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I hope to merge it into the SQMATRIX domain, since it requires the matrices > to be square. It looks like I can use the antisymmetric function to replace @@ -50217,7 +50217,7 @@ Subject: re: Copyright notice Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet Cc: list On 09/29/2007 06:42 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: >=20 >> Please send a reference to Gunter's paper. > I did: @@ -50283,7 +50283,7 @@ r. \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:32:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 29 Sep 2007 19:51:19 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50332,7 +50332,7 @@ Date: 30 Sep 2007 03:10:11 +0200 Cc: list, axiom-math Subject: Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Martin, > @@ -50480,7 +50480,7 @@ TODO: \start Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:32:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 30 Sep 2007 03:10:11 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50573,7 +50573,7 @@ Date: 30 Sep 2007 09:06:59 +0200 Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org Subject: Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > You're quite correct. It seems that the documentation on wikipedia is wrong, > at least as I read it. Do you agree? @@ -50587,7 +50587,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:41:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 30 Sep 2007 03:10:11 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50628,7 +50628,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Sep 2007 15:58:57 -0500 Cc: -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Otherwise, what is science for? @@ -50640,7 +50640,7 @@ Maybe plagiarism? \start Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:36:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Reis on 30 Sep 2007 15:58:57 -0500) Subject: Re: [Axiom-legal] re: Copyright notice Re: @@ -50684,7 +50684,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 30 Sep 2007 16:51:37 -0500 Cc: axiom-legal@nongnu.org, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: | Ah, Gaby, while I've got your attention.... | @@ -50703,7 +50703,7 @@ environment variable sounds to be like a bug that should be fixed in Axiom. \start Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:28:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Axiom breakage when installing OpenAxiom @@ -50757,7 +50757,7 @@ Regards, Alfredo -On 9/30/07, root Tim Daly wrote: +On 9/30/07, Tim Daly wrote: > Alfredo, > > >| Ah, Gaby, while I've got your attention.... @@ -50784,7 +50784,7 @@ On 9/30/07, root Tim Daly wrote: \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: re: Axiom breakage when installing OpenAxiom To: Alfredo Portes,Tim Daly @@ -50822,7 +50822,7 @@ On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:35:34 -0400 > >Alfredo > ->On 9/30/07, root Tim Daly wrote: +>On 9/30/07, Tim Daly wrote: >> Alfredo, >> >> >| Ah, Gaby, while I've got your attention.... @@ -50899,7 +50899,7 @@ development machine. \start Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:40:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 30 Sep 2007 09:06:59 +0200) <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -50990,7 +50990,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:31:44 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 20:25:39 -0700) Subject: Re: End Of File diff --git a/book/2007-10.txt b/book/2007-10.txt index 4a77570..d10207a 100644 --- a/book/2007-10.txt +++ b/book/2007-10.txt @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ Date: 01 Oct 2007 08:12:14 +0200 Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org Subject: Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Martin, > @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ Martin \start -To: Alasdair.McAndrew@vu.edu.au, William Sit, +To: Alasdair McAndrew, William Sit, Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Oct 2007 09:58:55 +0200 @@ -83,7 +83,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:38:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Sep 2007 20:37:45 -0700) Subject: Re: End Of File @@ -224,7 +224,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:28:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: raw sockets on XP @@ -828,8 +828,8 @@ index 0000000..9db87f8 \start Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:14:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Camm Maguire" +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Cc: list, "C. Frangos" Constantine Frangos Subject: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom on suse linux 10.2] @@ -1068,7 +1068,7 @@ Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -18432,7 +18432,7 @@ index 0000000..eb989d3 \start Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:03:11 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Message-id: <470CDB9F.2060409@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Cc: list @@ -18876,7 +18876,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:56:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Oct 2007 07:03:11 -0700) Cc: list @@ -18896,7 +18896,7 @@ Tim From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:49:36 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , - "Alasdair McAndrew" , + Alasdair McAndrew Alfredo Portes Cc: list Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- xhtml jenks book @@ -19096,7 +19096,7 @@ book-contents.xhtml From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:51:37 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , - "Alasdair McAndrew" , + Alasdair McAndrew Alfredo Portes Cc: list Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- Cryptographics Topic @@ -19115,7 +19115,7 @@ Tim From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:58:24 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , - "Alasdair McAndrew" , + Alasdair McAndrew Alfredo Portes Cc: list Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- axserver.spad @@ -19141,7 +19141,7 @@ Tim From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:05:00 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , - "Alasdair McAndrew" , + Alasdair McAndrew Alfredo Portes Cc: list Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- Axiom main line changes @@ -19623,7 +19623,7 @@ index 9db87f8..6feb283 100644 \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:01:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: arthur@mathbrane.ca Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:11:58 -0700) <471223AE.6020704@mathbrane.ca> @@ -19706,7 +19706,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:14:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: arthur@mathbrane.ca Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:11:58 -0700) Cc: list @@ -19805,7 +19805,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:04:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: "Arthur Ralfs" Cc: list Subject: html -> xhtml page rename fix @@ -19893,7 +19893,7 @@ or the upstream source and try it out. \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:38:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite <47128F10.2080406@cesmail.net> @@ -20385,7 +20385,7 @@ ZHk+CjwvaHRtbD4= \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:15:05 -0500 -From: "Mike Hansen" +From: Mike Hansen To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite <47128F10.2080406@cesmail.net> @@ -20470,7 +20470,7 @@ index 791d851..741840f 100644 From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:14:29 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , - "Alasdair McAndrew" , + Alasdair McAndrew Alfredo Portes Cc: list Subject: new hyperdoc changes @@ -20803,7 +20803,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:40:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 15 Oct 2007 08:35:13 +0200) Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite @@ -20832,7 +20832,7 @@ Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I found only 1 mention of tex4ht on MathAction. It appears in the summer of > code section. Do you have a reference? @@ -20906,7 +20906,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:04:08 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Oct 2007 08:33:50 -0700) Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer @@ -20954,7 +20954,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:21:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 15 Oct 2007 17:51:35 +0200) Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, @@ -21003,7 +21003,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Oct 2007 21:06:45 +0200 Cc: fricas-devel , list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I know we're going to need the output from system commands such as: > )show Polynomial(Fraction(Integer)) @@ -21019,7 +21019,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:16:23 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 15 Oct 2007 21:06:45 +0200) Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, @@ -21049,7 +21049,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:14:14 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -To: Alfredo Portes, root Tim Daly +To: Alfredo Portes, Tim Daly Message-id: <47141066.2080203@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 recognized. @@ -21074,7 +21074,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:28:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs +To: Arthur Ralfs Cc: list Subject: Re: axserver console interaction @@ -21228,7 +21228,7 @@ Arthur Martin Rubey wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > >> I found only 1 mention of tex4ht on MathAction. It appears in the summer of @@ -21279,7 +21279,7 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:44:11 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Oct 2007 19:14:25 -0700) Subject: re: axserver console interaction @@ -21330,7 +21330,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:46:20 -0700 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs +To: Arthur Ralfs <47141E81.6060904@shaw.ca> Cc: list @@ -21382,7 +21382,7 @@ Alfredo \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Oct 2007 19:33:27 -0700) Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer @@ -21465,7 +21465,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:12:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs root on Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:30:47 -0400) <4713C2B6.1010900@shaw.ca> @@ -21605,7 +21605,7 @@ Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, >=20 @@ -22015,7 +22015,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:43:00 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: hashing @@ -22397,7 +22397,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:15:33 -0500 To: "Arthur Ralfs" , Alfredo Portes, - "Alasdair McAndrew" + Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: new hyperdoc @@ -23620,7 +23620,7 @@ Martin \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:58:52 -0500 -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +To: Alasdair McAndrew Cc: list Subject: wxAxiom @@ -23647,7 +23647,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:47:53 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <87tzojxjqm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> @@ -23675,8 +23675,8 @@ PS: Shouldn't this discussion go to axiom-developer instead of axiom-math? \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:16:32 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke @@ -23757,7 +23757,7 @@ Haskell has imperative skin -- check out `monad'. \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:39:29 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com @@ -23874,7 +23874,7 @@ I do not see `purely functional' as as necessity. \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:42:14 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> @@ -24043,7 +24043,7 @@ should not be cached. \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:29:45 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> @@ -24248,7 +24248,7 @@ skip to page 40. \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:13:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> diff --git a/book/2007-11.txt b/book/2007-11.txt index b13ac4c..2c462dd 100644 --- a/book/2007-11.txt +++ b/book/2007-11.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:16:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com @@ -74,8 +74,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 01:49:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer , +From: Bill Page +To: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: William Stein, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Axiom-Mail @@ -202,7 +202,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Nov 2007 07:21:57 +0100 Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -212,7 +212,7 @@ Dear Bill, I'm very grateful to you, even though I'm unhappy that axiom-developer.org will not have the same contents in future. Oh dear, I link to it in a paper... -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org > @@ -577,10 +577,10 @@ Constantine Frangos wrote: \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:07:09 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -607,7 +607,7 @@ change over time since that is the nature of the applications but I do not think you should fear that the link in your paper will not work in the immediate future. -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > http://axiom-wiki.newsynthesis.org > > @@ -730,7 +730,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -760,13 +760,13 @@ communication channels between the tracker if that is possible. \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:30:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -822,16 +822,16 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Nov 2007 12:54:00 -0500 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: | In spite of this and in view of Tim's desire to complete the move as | soon as possible, I would like to invite everyone to begin using the @@ -851,17 +851,17 @@ What will happen to the email MathAction? \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:14:10 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Bill Page +To: Gabriel Dos Reis <87k5p1c0nb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving On 01 Nov 2007 12:54:00 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > | new sites now. They can be found at: > | @@ -909,12 +909,12 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:19:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <87k5p1c0nb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -945,7 +945,7 @@ should be done... \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:54 -0600 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: wiki.axiom-developer.org @@ -995,7 +995,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:37:33 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1141,11 +1141,11 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:22:47 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1431,7 +1431,7 @@ To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:27:22 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1672,12 +1672,12 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Nov 2007 10:06:09 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1753,12 +1753,12 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:38:30 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qejf5qcxq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -1899,8 +1899,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:31:18 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: wiki.axiom-developer.org @@ -1979,9 +1979,9 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:01:01 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving @@ -2002,7 +2002,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:19:58 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: re: wiki.axiom-developer.org Cc: list @@ -2045,7 +2045,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:24:12 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: wiki.axiom-developer.org <9qfxzcq64r.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -2075,7 +2075,7 @@ On 12 Nov 2007 08:23:32 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: \start Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:48:16 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes, "Arthur Ralfs" Cc: list @@ -2405,7 +2405,7 @@ Best regards, \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:49:16 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein (William Stein) <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -2461,7 +2461,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:51:08 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:24:35 +0100) Cc: William Stein, list, David Joyner @@ -2495,7 +2495,7 @@ Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software -On Nov 18, 2007 3:49 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Nov 18, 2007 3:49 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > One possible other source for funding is NIST (although the year that > I thought to apply they only had funding for prior project, no new > money available). @@ -2547,7 +2547,7 @@ William \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:24:57 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein (William Stein) <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -2716,7 +2716,7 @@ index b1066aa..af6ead2 100644 \start Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:35:40 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -2757,7 +2757,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:58:52 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: rcunnin2@hotmail.com Cunningham on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:48:54 -0500) Cc: list @@ -3704,8 +3704,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:58:16 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer , +From: Bill Page +To: list, Axiom-Mail , open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com @@ -3779,11 +3779,11 @@ Bill Page. To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Nov 2007 08:19:09 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Axiom Portal -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > All bug reports and issues from the old wiki site have been > transferred to the new site and an updated version of the customized @@ -3925,7 +3925,7 @@ sure calling it bug is an effective way to achieve that goal. \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Bug in parallel iteration To: Martin Rubey,axiom-devel , fricas-devel @@ -4085,7 +4085,7 @@ CY \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:58:05 -0800 From: "William Stein" William Stein -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> @@ -4136,7 +4136,7 @@ William \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:54:03 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical @@ -4245,7 +4245,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr -On Nov 25, 2007 7:54 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Nov 25, 2007 7:54 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the > >> >> various subprojects like Axiom? Open source is mostly volunteer work > >> >> done in "spare time". While it is amusing to daydream of being paid to @@ -4388,7 +4388,7 @@ I think it always has 30 years horizon -- the horizon doesn't move ;-) \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:20:30 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical @@ -4660,7 +4660,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr -On Nov 26, 2007 12:20 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Nov 26, 2007 12:20 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > > >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the > ...[snip]... > >> Either the initial grant had principal investigators at different @@ -4937,7 +4937,7 @@ Doug Stewart \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:33 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein, Ed Borasky (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical @@ -5175,7 +5175,7 @@ Arthur Ralfs \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:25 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -5228,7 +5228,7 @@ Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, list, David Joyner, Dennis Stein -On Nov 26, 2007 10:01 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Nov 26, 2007 10:01 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > ==> Ed Borasky writes: > >> There is nothing particularly special about mathematics software that @@ -5516,7 +5516,7 @@ readable and understood by the people who pay the bills. \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software @@ -5679,7 +5679,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:49 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein (William Stein) Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical @@ -5799,7 +5799,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:36:56 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Nov 2007 13:55:50 -0800) Subject: Re: content mathml was re: AMS Notices: Open @@ -6366,7 +6366,7 @@ On Nov 26, 2007 9:24 PM, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: \start -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org, axiom-devel , +To: Bill Page, axiom-devel , fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Nov 2007 14:40:49 +0100 @@ -6391,7 +6391,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:16:23 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Cc: axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s, fricas-devel @@ -6721,7 +6721,7 @@ Best wishes, \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:12:09 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: chris.arena@gmail.com (chris.arena@gmail.com) Cc: list @@ -6801,7 +6801,7 @@ other stuff :-). OpenAxiom's web files are in the repository. \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:55 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> <9qy7cjjxqd.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -6847,7 +6847,7 @@ Cc: axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Link to new wiki -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > 'newsynthesis' is one word @@ -6871,7 +6871,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:57:09 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Link to new wiki <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> @@ -7157,10 +7157,10 @@ Tim \start -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org, fricas-devel , +To: Bill Page, fricas-devel , axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Waldek Hebisch + Waldek Hebisch From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Nov 2007 08:53:56 +0100 Cc: @@ -7602,13 +7602,13 @@ Michel \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:08:48 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , axiom-devel , - Waldek Hebisch + Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: members / parts of binarytrees @@ -7688,7 +7688,7 @@ Tim \start -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org, axiom-devel , +To: Bill Page, axiom-devel , fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Nov 2007 11:52:51 +0100 @@ -7717,7 +7717,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:45:44 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Cc: axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s, fricas-devel diff --git a/book/2007-12.txt b/book/2007-12.txt index 06968d9..79807bb 100644 --- a/book/2007-12.txt +++ b/book/2007-12.txt @@ -387,7 +387,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:51:34 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500) <54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -402,7 +402,7 @@ I get a "missing mate" error on the input. \start Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:02:13 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500) <54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -422,7 +422,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:53:56 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 03 Dec 2007 17:39:53 -0500) <54fxyje72e.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -524,7 +524,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:42:19 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500) <54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -824,7 +824,7 @@ inadvisable? Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -849,7 +849,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:16:00 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 05 Dec 2007 09:17:35 -0500) <54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -898,7 +898,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:17:14 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch Hebisch on Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:21:14 +0100 (CET)) Subject: Re: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug @@ -2009,7 +2009,7 @@ index 0b264bf..3c217d0 100644 From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:42:27 -0600 To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein, "David Joyner" David Joyner, - "Bill Page" + Bill Page Cc: list Subject: Axiom and Sage @@ -2086,7 +2086,7 @@ http://wstein.org \start Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:00:23 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Stein (William Stein) <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> @@ -2158,14 +2158,14 @@ Tim Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:25:44 -0800 From: "William Stein" William Stein To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - bill.page@newsynthesis.org, list, + Bill Page, list, "Arthur Ralfs" <85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com> <200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain> Cc: Subject: Re: Axiom and Sage -On Dec 9, 2007 1:00 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Dec 9, 2007 1:00 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > >The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from > >source quickly (in a few minutes) using precompiled clisp files. > @@ -2374,7 +2374,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:49:31 -0600 To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein, - "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, + Waldek Hebisch, "Sage" Cc: list Subject: Axiom and Sage @@ -2535,7 +2535,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:51:25 +0100 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: 3D graphics in Sage Cc: Willaim Stein William Stein, list @@ -2569,7 +2569,7 @@ Ondrej \start Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:19:34 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com (William Stein) @@ -2799,11 +2799,11 @@ I'll see if I can reproduce this. \start Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:08 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues On 12 Dec 2007 20:47:50 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -2960,7 +2960,7 @@ work, so unless there's something lighter, that's what I'm going with. Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:34:11 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: newhyper.pamphlet Cc: @@ -2990,7 +2990,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: \start Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:24:47 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:20:43 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo @@ -3006,7 +3006,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:29:27 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp 2007 22:34:11 -0500) Subject: Re: newhyper.pamphlet @@ -3044,16 +3044,16 @@ Tim \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 13 Dec 2007 08:08:05 +0100 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > I see two possibilities: > > @@ -3158,7 +3158,7 @@ silver-compile/src/hyper/Makefile.pamphlet ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > Cliff, > @@ -3178,7 +3178,7 @@ know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu0 \start From: Gregory Vanuxem -To: Axiom-Developer , +To: list, FriCAS Devel , OpenAxiom-Patches Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:41:33 +0100 @@ -3306,7 +3306,7 @@ munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x000000000060b0d0 *** \start Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:21:45 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: g.vanuxem@orange.fr on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:41:33 +0100) Subject: Re: A small error in discardGraph() @@ -3323,13 +3323,13 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:56:15 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues Martin, @@ -3407,7 +3407,7 @@ To: fricas-devel <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues @@ -3430,14 +3430,14 @@ effort at being equitable. \start Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:01:17 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues @@ -3488,7 +3488,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" , +To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -3497,7 +3497,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 Dec 2007 06:42:13 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues Bill, Gaby, @@ -3543,7 +3543,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:45:35 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -3551,7 +3551,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey <9qsl256de2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer , + list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues @@ -3569,7 +3569,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -3579,11 +3579,11 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 Dec 2007 08:27:53 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer , + list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 14 Dec 2007 06:42:13 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > > ... @@ -3702,16 +3702,16 @@ Martin \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 14 Dec 2007 09:09:35 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > (I see, you are experimenting with running all axioms on > > MathAction?) @@ -3944,7 +3944,7 @@ Index: matcat.spad.pamphlet \start Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:55:08 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 14 Dec 2007 16:03:58 +0100) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: RectangularMatrixCategory @@ -4149,7 +4149,7 @@ index 0a4c7da..18dcc3d 100644 \start Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:18:31 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: [Tim Daly: 20071215.02.tpd.patch] @@ -6866,7 +6866,7 @@ Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: regression tests Dear Bill, Tim, -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > Have you looked at the regression testing facility that Tim Daly has > built for the original Axiom project? Do you think that it is not @@ -7165,7 +7165,7 @@ Tim,

I don't see this problem, i.e. when I do
m1:=matrix [[1,2,1],[2,1 \start Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:03 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 16 Dec 2007 12:28:59 +0100) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: regression tests @@ -7234,7 +7234,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:34:58 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 16 Dec 2007 12:28:59 +0100) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: regression tests @@ -7295,7 +7295,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:00:49 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: 20071215.01.tpd.patch @@ -8834,7 +8834,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:25:28 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 17 Dec 2007 22:00:48 +0100) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -8904,7 +8904,7 @@ Date: 17 Dec 2007 22:44:26 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > It should be possible to have both systems installed, ala CMUCL and SBCL, > even though they do the same things; if only for the reason that it would @@ -9010,7 +9010,7 @@ http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:14:20 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 17 Dec 2007 22:44:26 +0100) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9113,7 +9113,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:20:26 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:02:33 -0800 (PST)) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9156,7 +9156,7 @@ Date: 17 Dec 2007 23:20:10 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Oh, but they DO. Try to do parallel installations. > Being able to run Fricas and Axiom in parallel would be great. @@ -9182,7 +9182,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:46:50 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 17 Dec 2007 23:20:10 +0100) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9247,7 +9247,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com ---- root Tim Daly wrote: +--- Tim Daly wrote: > ...[snip]... > >Aldor, for example - unless Tim has plans I'm not aware of Axiom @@ -9329,7 +9329,7 @@ Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: | -| root Tim Daly writes: +| Tim Daly writes: | | > Oh, but they DO. Try to do parallel installations. | > Being able to run Fricas and Axiom in parallel would be great. @@ -9351,7 +9351,7 @@ Date: 17 Dec 2007 18:39:08 -0600 Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -9367,7 +9367,7 @@ is strong evidence that he knows he has FriCAS. \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:52:50 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:21:42 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] @@ -9392,7 +9392,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:01:12 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Reis on 17 Dec 2007 18:39:08 -0600) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9427,7 +9427,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:11:15 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9452,7 +9452,7 @@ You reported that you fumbled your installation. That is a different story. \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:13:31 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory <9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain> @@ -9488,7 +9488,7 @@ Are you going to make a law that prevents them from implementing a \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:03 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:11:15 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] @@ -9521,7 +9521,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:15:32 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:13:31 -0600 (CST)) Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9555,7 +9555,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:20:23 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory @@ -9612,7 +9612,7 @@ Otherwise, the rest is a bug in Axiom -- you know how to fix it. \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:22:41 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory <9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain> @@ -9649,7 +9649,7 @@ it says \start From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:43:06 -0600 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: list Subject: willful denial @@ -9708,7 +9708,7 @@ Hope that helps, \start Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:24:27 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:05:48 -0600 (CST)) @@ -9764,7 +9764,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:28 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly <200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain> Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list @@ -9837,7 +9837,7 @@ KHxvYmplY3QyU3RyaW5nfCB8eHwpKSkpIAo= \start Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:31:03 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:28 -0600 (CST)) @@ -9901,7 +9901,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:44:32 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly <200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain> @@ -9936,7 +9936,7 @@ AXIOM derivative to use. \start Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly <200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain> @@ -10039,7 +10039,7 @@ Cc: William Stein, list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > [...] > @@ -10364,7 +10364,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:04:56 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:20:49 -0800) Subject: Re: axserver patch for lastType @@ -10612,7 +10612,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:59:09 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 20 Dec 2007 18:47:04 +0100) Subject: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows @@ -10652,7 +10652,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:13:39 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 20 Dec 2007 18:47:04 +0100) <9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -10703,7 +10703,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 20 Dec 2007 21:30:48 +0100 Cc: -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > >> Status: fix proposed => closed > >> @@ -10743,7 +10743,7 @@ Date: 20 Dec 2007 21:38:30 +0100 Cc: list Subject: Re: #325 Severe bug in normalize$EFSTRUC -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > >> Status: fix proposed > @@ -10761,7 +10761,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:11:40 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 20 Dec 2007 21:30:48 +0100) Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, @@ -10914,7 +10914,7 @@ and I haven't installed them -- and I don't intend to. \start Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:06:50 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on @@ -10942,7 +10942,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:16:59 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] @@ -11018,7 +11018,7 @@ transforms and basic algebra and calculus). \start Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:33:45 -0800 From: Ed Borasky -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows @@ -11080,7 +11080,7 @@ Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > >> >> Status: fix proposed => closed > >> >> @@ -11123,7 +11123,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:50:14 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] @@ -11145,7 +11145,7 @@ If that is the ISSAC CD I probably put that together also. -- Tim \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:53:19 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] @@ -11176,7 +11176,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:04:22 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on @@ -11302,7 +11302,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:09:34 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 21 Dec 2007 06:39:01 +0100) <9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -11458,9 +11458,9 @@ OpenAxiom. By design. \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:45:11 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org - (bill.page@newsynthesis.org) +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page + (Bill Page) Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows @@ -11541,9 +11541,9 @@ know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu0 \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:41:29 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org - (bill.page@newsynthesis.org) +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page + (Bill Page) Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows @@ -11604,7 +11604,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:05:41 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on @@ -11685,8 +11685,8 @@ Autoconf 101. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:47:30 -0600 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis, - "Bill Page" +To: Gabriel Dos Reis, + Bill Page Cc: list Subject: fact finding. @@ -11759,8 +11759,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:25:03 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: fact finding. @@ -12091,7 +12091,7 @@ Date: 21 Dec 2007 19:28:34 -0600 Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: [...] @@ -12141,7 +12141,7 @@ s/difficulties/FUD from Tim/. \start Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:10:07 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis Reis on 21 Dec 2007 19:28:34 -0600) <9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -12186,7 +12186,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:38:45 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com (William Stein) Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com @@ -12272,13 +12272,13 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:54:53 +0100 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com <200712250038.lBP0cjH22498@localhost.localdomain> Cc: list Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: "scholarly activity"? -On Dec 25, 2007 1:38 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Dec 25, 2007 1:38 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > > >I just noticed this email on the jmol developer mailing list. See below. > > @@ -12468,7 +12468,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:57:43 -0600 To: Martin Rubey, "Arthur Ralfs" , - "Bill Page" + Bill Page Cc: list Subject: unicode output @@ -12558,7 +12558,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:38:10 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:18:10 -0800) Cc: list @@ -12581,7 +12581,7 @@ Tim \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -12589,7 +12589,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Dec 2007 14:55:43 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues Dear Bill, * @@ -12713,7 +12713,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:47:30 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -12721,7 +12721,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey <9qy7be2aao.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues On 28 Dec 2007 14:55:43 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -12908,7 +12908,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -12918,7 +12918,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Dec 2007 18:16:05 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues Dear Bill, @@ -12926,7 +12926,7 @@ Dear Bill, thanks for your detailed answer. Here a summary of the points where action is still unclear: -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > I'm not so sure what to do with: > > @@ -13014,10 +13014,10 @@ Martin \start -To: "Bill Page" , +To: Bill Page, fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list <9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -13132,7 +13132,7 @@ On 12/28/07, TimDaly Tim Daly wrote: \start Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:22:10 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: David Joyner (David Joyner) Subject: Re: Rosetta translations @@ -13156,7 +13156,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:21:16 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Message-id: <4776F28C.2030605@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 recognized. diff --git a/book/2008-01.txt b/book/2008-01.txt index e451089..2c93c0a 100644 --- a/book/2008-01.txt +++ b/book/2008-01.txt @@ -7886,7 +7886,7 @@ index 0000000..0cd01ea \start Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:13:28 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: 20080107.01.tpd.patch (7089/343) <9qmyri89f2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -12486,7 +12486,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:00:38 -0800 (PST) -From: Jocelyn Guidry +From: Jocelyn Guidry To: list 10.2-10.4) (2) Subject: hi @@ -12513,7 +12513,7 @@ Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: mathml sums and products patch To: Martin Rubey, @@ -19708,7 +19708,7 @@ up. :) \start -To: Waldek Hebisch , +To: Waldek Hebisch, fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , axiom-devel @@ -21814,7 +21814,7 @@ index f018a38..e2767b4 100644 20080107 tpd src/input/free.input added to test bug 7089/343 -20080107 mxr src/input/free.spad fix FreeAbelianGroup bug 7089/343 +20080107 fxl src/input/free.spad fix FreeAbelianGroup bug 7089/343 -+20080107 fxl Franz Lehner ++20080107 fxl Franz Lehner 20080106 tpd src/algebra/combfunc.spad \mathbb -> \bf 20080106 tpd src/algebra/op.spad revert dgamma change, reject patch 20080106 tpd src/scripts/tex/axiom.sty add binom for combfunc @@ -22333,7 +22333,7 @@ index 0000000..c33dd1f \start Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:28:59 +0100 -From: Ralf HEMMECKE Ralf Hemmecke +From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker Cc: list @@ -22970,7 +22970,7 @@ d5+7z93n7nP3ufvcfe4+d5/v+fP/AcmhDRgAgAIA \start Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:33:06 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:28:59 +0100) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker @@ -23146,7 +23146,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Jan 2008 18:47:23 +0100 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Take, for instance, bug 370. There the original bug fix was to change the > algebra code from (something like) @@ -23178,7 +23178,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:54:33 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 21 Jan 2008 18:47:23 +0100) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker @@ -23222,7 +23222,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Tim Daly root on Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:33:06 -0500) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker @@ -23275,14 +23275,14 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:43:53 +0100 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: list Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker <479473EB.6080004@hemmecke.de> <200801211833.m0LIX6f07852@localhost.localdomain> <200801212030.m0LKUJK07955@localhost.localdomain> -On Jan 21, 2008 9:30 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Jan 21, 2008 9:30 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > >>Suppose you have software A which has very few documentation and it has > >>a bug B. > >> @@ -23345,7 +23345,7 @@ Ondrej \start -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org, fricas-devel , +To: Bill Page, fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , axiom-devel From: Martin Rubey @@ -27553,9 +27553,9 @@ index 0000000..1ae9749 \start Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:46:51 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ondrej@certik.cz - (ondrej@certik.cz) +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik + (Ondrej Certik) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker <479473EB.6080004@hemmecke.de> <200801211833.m0LIX6f07852@localhost.localdomain> @@ -27592,9 +27592,9 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:49:02 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ondrej@certik.cz - (ondrej@certik.cz) +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik + (Ondrej Certik) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker <479473EB.6080004@hemmecke.de> <200801211833.m0LIX6f07852@localhost.localdomain> @@ -27638,9 +27638,9 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:50:45 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ondrej@certik.cz - (ondrej@certik.cz) +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik + (Ondrej Certik) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker <479473EB.6080004@hemmecke.de> <200801211833.m0LIX6f07852@localhost.localdomain> @@ -27705,9 +27705,9 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:51:41 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: ondrej@certik.cz - (ondrej@certik.cz) +From: Tim Daly +To: Ondrej Certik + (Ondrej Certik) Subject: Re: Nice Fixes! Another go on IssueTracker <479473EB.6080004@hemmecke.de> <200801211833.m0LIX6f07852@localhost.localdomain> @@ -27754,8 +27754,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:23:26 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: Axiom-Developer +From: Bill Page +To: list Cc: fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel Subject: Sage tutorial on Lulu @@ -28148,7 +28148,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors Yes, I like this proposal equally well. Comments? -"William Sit" William Sit writes: +William Sit writes: > Dear Martin: > @@ -28233,7 +28233,7 @@ The point is being able to filter out all issues that are fixed somewhere. Martin > -> "William Sit" William Sit writes: +> William Sit writes: > > > Dear Martin: > > @@ -28306,7 +28306,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:54:55 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors <9qzlutm57a.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -28347,7 +28347,7 @@ On 26 Jan 2008 09:47:43 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > > Martin > > -> > "William Sit" William Sit writes: +> > William Sit writes: > > > > > Dear Martin: > > > @@ -28394,7 +28394,7 @@ On 26 Jan 2008 09:47:43 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors <9qzlutm57a.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <9qzlut9dn4.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -28405,7 +28405,7 @@ Cc: axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > I must say that I do not like the sound of "fixed somewhere" - it > sounds too vague - but I understand the intent. Maybe it would be @@ -28639,9 +28639,9 @@ Martin \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors -To: "Bill Page" ,"Martin Rubey" +To: Bill Page,"Martin Rubey" Martin Rubey Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:28:52 -0500 Cc: axiom-devel , @@ -28676,7 +28676,7 @@ to a 1, at most three times). William On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:54:55 -0500 - "Bill Page" wrote: + Bill Page wrote: >I must say that I do not like the sound of "fixed >somewhere" - it >sounds too vague - but I understand the intent. Maybe it @@ -28719,7 +28719,7 @@ On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:54:55 -0500 >> >> Martin >> > ->> > "William Sit" William Sit writes: +>> > William Sit writes: >> > >> > > Dear Martin: >> > > @@ -29619,8 +29619,8 @@ Martin Rubey writes: \start Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:14:08 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" William Sit +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: re: Axiom: fixed and fixed proposed bit vectors Cc: fricas-devel , @@ -29673,7 +29673,7 @@ On 1/27/08, William Sit wrote: > William > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:54:55 -0500 -> "Bill Page" wrote: +> Bill Page wrote: > >I must say that I do not like the sound of "fixed > >somewhere" - it > >sounds too vague - but I understand the intent. Maybe it @@ -29716,7 +29716,7 @@ On 1/27/08, William Sit wrote: > >> > >> Martin > >> > -> >> > "William Sit" William Sit writes: +> >> > William Sit writes: > >> > > >> > > Dear Martin: > >> > > @@ -29805,7 +29805,7 @@ version? \start Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:06:43 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Starting up the Firefox hyperdoc?? Cc: list @@ -29847,7 +29847,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:25:17 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Starting up the Firefox hyperdoc?? Cc: list @@ -29906,7 +29906,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:00:24 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Jan 2008 13:27:05 -0800) Subject: Re: x11 location @@ -29927,7 +29927,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:48:29 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Peter Broadbery" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability Cc: list, @@ -30014,12 +30014,12 @@ On 1/17/08, Peter Broadbery wrote: \start Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:18:15 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Peter Broadbery" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <73691350801300052q7a2a725am1fd300961028ba12@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, OpenAxiom , fricas-devel @@ -30033,7 +30033,7 @@ Regards, Bill Page. On 1/30/08, Peter Broadbery wrote: -> On Jan 30, 2008 1:48 AM, Bill Page wrote: +> On Jan 30, 2008 1:48 AM, Bill Page wrote: > > Peter, > > > > Thank you very much for sending the revised version of src_aldor3.tgz! @@ -30069,14 +30069,14 @@ On 1/30/08, Peter Broadbery wrote: \start Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:42:17 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Peter Broadbery" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <73691350801300052q7a2a725am1fd300961028ba12@mail.gmail.com> <73691350801300630w27f58324x3c914ba81d9222d7@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, OpenAxiom , fricas-devel diff --git a/book/2008-02.txt b/book/2008-02.txt index dc8b616..c86703b 100644 --- a/book/2008-02.txt +++ b/book/2008-02.txt @@ -4095,7 +4095,7 @@ index 26261e9..1bd9951 100644 \start Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:50:03 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Jan 2008 13:27:05 -0800) Subject: Re: x11 location @@ -4111,7 +4111,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:22:44 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: bertfried.fauser@googlemail.com root on Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:17:27 -0500) <200802020441.m124fox24214@localhost.localdomain> @@ -4165,7 +4165,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:57:04 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: bertfried.fauser@googlemail.com Cc: list Subject: exterior algebra @@ -4182,7 +4182,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 01:34:00 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: Axiom precompiled binaries @@ -4488,7 +4488,7 @@ YXBwZW5kKGVxbnMsbTJsKEphY29iaShiLGMscSkpKQ0KDQo= \start Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:32:53 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list CC: list Subject: Re: Bad crash @@ -4520,7 +4520,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:47:22 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list CC: list Subject: Re: Bad crash @@ -4546,7 +4546,7 @@ other architectures Gentoo supports, especially PowerPC. \start Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:50:24 +0100 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Axiom November 2007 release now in Gentoo Linux Cc: list @@ -4565,9 +4565,9 @@ Ondrej \start Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:09:59 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky - (ondrej@certik.cz) + (Ondrej Certik) Subject: Re: Axiom November 2007 release now in Gentoo Linux <85b5c3130802040650t332522f6o413f0933e1cef64d@mail.gmail.com> Cc: list @@ -4592,7 +4592,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:07:00 -0800 From: Ed Borasky -To: Ondrej Certik +To: Ondrej Certik Subject: Re: Axiom November 2007 release now in Gentoo Linux <85b5c3130802040650t332522f6o413f0933e1cef64d@mail.gmail.com> recognized. @@ -4617,7 +4617,7 @@ so I think it's under an hour. \start Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:33:31 +0100 -From: "Ondrej Certik" +From: Ondrej Certik To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Axiom November 2007 release now in Gentoo Linux <85b5c3130802040650t332522f6o413f0933e1cef64d@mail.gmail.com> @@ -4761,7 +4761,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:24:09 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: "Fabio S." Fabio Stumbo Hebisch on Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:29:52 +0100 (CET)) Subject: re: Groebner basis @@ -4779,7 +4779,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:09:30 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Fabio Stumbo, Waldek Hebisch root on Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:24:09 -0500) Subject: re: Groebner basis @@ -4861,7 +4861,7 @@ Fabio \start Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:42:13 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list CC: list, list (Fabio Stumbo) @@ -4964,8 +4964,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:50:20 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Camm Maguire" +From: Tim Daly +To: Camm Maguire Cc: list Subject: gcl on PPC @@ -5752,7 +5752,7 @@ Subject: Re: gcl on PPC Greetings! -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -5777,7 +5777,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire \start Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:04:24 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire on 11 Feb 2008 17:49:13 -0500) <54tzkfw1li.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> @@ -14963,7 +14963,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:57:07 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch Hebisch on Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:22:21 +0100 (CET)) Subject: Re: 20080221.01.tpd.patch (7099: complex gamma @@ -16925,7 +16925,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:36:52 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Feb 2008 23:58:42 -0800) Subject: Re: mathML bug? (bug 7113) @@ -17569,7 +17569,7 @@ J \start Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:06:27 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Matt Kaufmann from Matt Kaufmann on Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:23:54 -0600) <200802240223.m1O2NsuU010732@sundance.cs.utexas.edu> @@ -17865,7 +17865,7 @@ F. \start Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:24:15 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com <9qpruggoam.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <47C7CFF9.3040801@hemmecke.de> Cc: axiom-dev , diff --git a/book/2008-03.txt b/book/2008-03.txt index 953353a..4a67769 100644 --- a/book/2008-03.txt +++ b/book/2008-03.txt @@ -3022,8 +3022,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:41:07 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp Cc: list @@ -3090,9 +3090,9 @@ On 3/3/08, Tim Daly Tim Daly wrote: \start Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:50:23 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org - (bill.page@newsynthesis.org) +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page + (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Lisp Cc: list @@ -3168,7 +3168,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:44:18 -0600 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: Lisp @@ -3196,9 +3196,9 @@ Tim \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Lisp -To: "Bill Page" ,"Tim Daly" +To: Bill Page,"Tim Daly" Tim Daly Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:34:00 -0500 Cc: list @@ -3232,7 +3232,7 @@ William On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:41:07 -0500 - "Bill Page" wrote: + Bill Page wrote: >Tim, > >Did you actually read this article? In fact the article @@ -3742,7 +3742,7 @@ index 4871419..76c0e51 100644 \start Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:22:55 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Lisp @@ -3799,8 +3799,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:33:07 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Bill Page +To: Tim Daly Cc: list Subject: Re: Lisp @@ -3839,8 +3839,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:44:47 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "William Sit" William Sit +From: Bill Page +To: William Sit Subject: Re: Lisp Cc: list @@ -3910,7 +3910,7 @@ Bill Page. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 01:56:39 -0600 -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Cc: list Subject: Lisp @@ -5716,7 +5716,7 @@ index 76c0e51..ec9dbe3 100644 \start -To: "Bill Page" , Ralf.Hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at +To: Bill Page, Ralf.Hemmecke@risc.uni-linz.ac.at Subject: Re: Lisp @@ -5724,7 +5724,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Mar 2008 10:49:56 +0100 Cc: list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > Personally I really wish that that were true, but all of my experience with > Axiom over the last few years demonstrates to me that using Axiom is still @@ -5785,7 +5785,7 @@ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:14:03 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey wrote: -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > > > Personally I really wish that that were true, but all of my experience with > > Axiom over the last few years demonstrates to me that using Axiom is still @@ -5820,8 +5820,8 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:03:58 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: Lisp Cc: list @@ -5940,7 +5940,7 @@ more. \start Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:12:59 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: Lisp <47CF60FE.3010206@cesmail.net> @@ -8038,7 +8038,7 @@ EllipticCurveFactorization: with \start Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:36:22 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -8405,8 +8405,8 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:26:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +From: Bill Page +To: Waldek Hebisch Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability Cc: Peter Broadbery , list @@ -8476,7 +8476,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:44:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -8536,7 +8536,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:36:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -8782,7 +8782,7 @@ index 0000000..9541d31 \start Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:14:52 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Gregory Vanuxem" Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -8848,7 +8848,7 @@ seems impossible to call Axiom's output operations from within Aldor. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -8858,7 +8858,7 @@ Date: 15 Mar 2008 08:22:15 +0100 Cc: Peter Broadbery , list, fricas-devel , aldor-l@aldor.org -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On 3/14/08, Bill Page wrote: > > On 3/13/08, Gregory Vanuxem wrote: @@ -8969,7 +8969,7 @@ Greg \start Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability From: Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -9168,7 +9168,7 @@ Greg \start Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:19:28 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -9226,7 +9226,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability From: Gregory Vanuxem -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -9328,7 +9328,7 @@ Greg \start Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:57:41 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: g.vanuxem@orange.fr on Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:52:06 +0100) Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability @@ -9352,7 +9352,7 @@ Tim \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: aldor/axiom interoperability <1205443304.3352.36.camel@ellipse> @@ -9364,7 +9364,7 @@ Date: 15 Mar 2008 19:53:37 +0100 Cc: fricas-devel , aldor-l@aldor.org, Peter Broadbery , list -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > > And how come I cannot get any aldor to work together with > > my fricas currently? I'm a little desperate. @@ -10603,9 +10603,9 @@ WnQU/AsoF43W/NToT+ud/w0wuGNL04cBAA== \start Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:23:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel , Angelos Mantzaflaris @@ -12360,7 +12360,7 @@ Axiom \start Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:30:28 -0700 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: list Subject: Bill Page has invited you to The Algebraist Network @@ -12415,7 +12415,7 @@ http://algebraist.crowdvine.com/account/change_email_settings \start Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:21:52 -0700 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: list Subject: Bill Page left a comment on your The Algebraist Network profile @@ -12572,7 +12572,7 @@ Ray \start Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:31:49 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: fedora8 compile Cc: list @@ -16560,7 +16560,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:11:40 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes (Alfredo Portes) @@ -16610,7 +16610,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:15:01 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Mar 2008 14:36:55 -0700) Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code @@ -16645,7 +16645,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:26:31 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Alfredo Portes (Alfredo Portes) @@ -19660,7 +19660,7 @@ index 0000000..1a4b430 \start Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:31:45 -0400 From: "Raymond E. Rogers" -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Fedora 8 binary problem This is a multi-part message in MIME format. @@ -19720,7 +19720,7 @@ CQoK \start Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:15:26 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: Fedora 8 binary problem Cc: list @@ -19748,7 +19748,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:14:30 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Raymond Rogers Subject: Re: Fedora 8 binary problem Cc: list @@ -19807,8 +19807,8 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:33:07 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: Alfredo Portes, "Camm Maguire" +From: Tim Daly +To: Alfredo Portes, Camm Maguire (Alfredo Portes) <200803300242.m2U2gTq21573@localhost.localdomain> diff --git a/book/2008-04.txt b/book/2008-04.txt index 2794c7d..84f6ebd 100644 --- a/book/2008-04.txt +++ b/book/2008-04.txt @@ -2504,7 +2504,7 @@ index 0000000..560ab37 \start Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:37:06 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: joseph.north@gmail.com (joseph.north@gmail.com) Cc: mmccants@io.com, tfmorri@attglobal.net, steve@woz.org, llee4@austin.rr.com, @@ -2637,7 +2637,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom Mar 2008 fedora8-64 src Problem (R. 1)! ------=_Part_35116_6697105.1206889735189 -On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:37 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > Joseph, > > Yes, the fedora8-64 build required some hacking of GCL. @@ -14417,7 +14417,7 @@ William \start Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 01:26:36 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Sit on Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:17:50 -0400) Subject: Re: out of space @@ -16116,7 +16116,7 @@ Fabio \start Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:38:47 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: Re: out of space Cc: @@ -16169,7 +16169,7 @@ Ralf Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:07:19 -0400 From: William Sit Subject: Re: out of space -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Message-id: <47F5A977.C2FA92A8@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 @@ -28217,8 +28217,8 @@ index 0000000..250e7c3 \start Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:01:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "William Sit" William Sit +From: Tim Daly +To: William Sit Cc: list Subject: out of space @@ -39993,7 +39993,7 @@ index 3062d2e..ce37f19 100644 \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20080416.01.tpd.patch (CATS Schaums-Axiom equivalence testing (2-7)) To: Doug Stewart,Tim Daly @@ -40178,7 +40178,7 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:44:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Sit Subject: Re: 20080416.01.tpd.patch (CATS Schaums-Axiom equivalence testing (2-7)) @@ -52683,7 +52683,7 @@ index 644ebed..1c0d0b2 100644 \start Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:35:49 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <48077F1A.1080202@shaw.ca> @@ -52694,7 +52694,7 @@ To: Martin Rubey <480A7406.3090601@hemmecke.de> <9qr6d12e9c.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel Subject: Re: Project @@ -53294,7 +53294,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:32:59 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: [Tim Daly: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [sage-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Project] @@ -53815,7 +53815,7 @@ and he needs the results to support his research interests. \start Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:52:58 -0400 From: "Ted Kosan" -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: re: Project @@ -53907,7 +53907,7 @@ Ted Kosan \start Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:47:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: re: Project @@ -54030,11 +54030,11 @@ for R to the "native" Linux one. \start Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:02:18 -0700 From: Ed Borasky -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: Project recognized. -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list >> It seems that Sage is going to connect with OLPC. If all those kids do their >> math using Sage, I think there is no way around Sage anymore. Sage can already @@ -60303,7 +60303,7 @@ index f6b849c..b058a54 100644 \start Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:58:44 -0400 From: "Raymond E. Rogers" -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: March Fedora 8 While the March binary still has a back reference to the root user; the @@ -67742,7 +67742,7 @@ Scholz

\start Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:50:28 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: scholz@newgenerationx.de (scholz@newgenerationx.de) Subject: Re: windows sources @@ -68751,7 +68751,7 @@ index 679e775..c24ef73 100644 \start Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:56:02 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: the lisp community :-) @@ -68764,7 +68764,7 @@ just for your friday amusement.... :-) \start Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:02:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Knuth on literate programming @@ -68824,7 +68824,7 @@ such as Makefiles, when I get off-the-shelf Linux these days. \start Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:24:13 -0700 From: Ed Borasky -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: the lisp community :-) recognized. Cc: list @@ -76231,7 +76231,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:36:46 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Doug Stewart Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:49:29 -0400) Subject: Re: 20080426.01.tpd.patch (CATS @@ -76258,7 +76258,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:39:08 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch Hebisch on Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:41:38 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: 20080426.01.tpd.patch (CATS Schaums-Axiom @@ -84526,7 +84526,7 @@ bug() == \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: possible bug To: Martin Rubey,fricas-devel , axiom-devel @@ -85354,7 +85354,7 @@ Francois in France. \start Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:58:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Francois Maltey 30 Apr 2008 15:10:55 +0200) Cc: list @@ -86042,7 +86042,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 30 Apr 2008 19:52:59 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Axiom has a closed form for 2 integrals where Schaums has series. But at least one of them seems to be wrong. Since it seems that my message was @@ -86178,7 +86178,7 @@ be on the testing stage without problems, so it seems to have worked.

Zac \start Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:09:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 30 Apr 2008 19:52:59 +0200) Subject: re: About Schaums. diff --git a/book/2008-05.txt b/book/2008-05.txt index 2185f81..2d06159 100644 --- a/book/2008-05.txt +++ b/book/2008-05.txt @@ -1510,7 +1510,7 @@ index 1c0d0b2..7d5d77a 100644 \start Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 02:21:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Stephen Wilson on 01 May 2008 00:51:27 -0400) Subject: Re: Build problem on Slackware Linux 12 @@ -3912,7 +3912,7 @@ also usind Maxima to do the derivative I get the LHS. \start Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:10:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Doug Stewart Fri, 02 May 2008 07:25:53 -0400) Subject: Re: Schaums help @@ -4180,7 +4180,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 May 2008 09:02:20 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > If you compute > aa:=integrate(1/(x*sqrt(x^n-a^n)),x) > bb:=2/(n*sqrt(a^n))*acos(sqrt(a^n/x^n)) @@ -4328,7 +4328,7 @@ Doug \start Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:03:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Doug Stewart Sat, 03 May 2008 10:05:49 -0400) Subject: Re: Schaums help @@ -4460,7 +4460,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 May 2008 20:29:38 +0200 Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > None of these system are wrong and I believe that both expressions > are equal up to a constant. @@ -4492,7 +4492,7 @@ powerRule := rule z^(2*n)==(z^n)^2 \start Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:05:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 03 May 2008 20:29:38 +0200) Subject: Re: Schaums help @@ -6704,7 +6704,7 @@ index a11b623..6092400 100644 \start Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:58:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Subject: Function images, visual mathematics @@ -8532,8 +8532,8 @@ index 95fceae..f01b63d 100644 \start Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:49:20 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? Cc: list @@ -8581,12 +8581,12 @@ Bill Page. Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page 10.2-10.4) (2) Cc: list ---- Bill Page wrote: +--- Bill Page wrote: > I guess you need to be a little more explicit about the variables: @@ -8604,15 +8604,15 @@ know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu0 \start Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:46:16 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "C Y" Cliff Yapp +From: Bill Page +To: Cliff Yapp Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: list On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM, C Y wrote: > -> --- Bill Page wrote: +> --- Bill Page wrote: > >> I guess you need to be a little more explicit about the variables: > @@ -10461,14 +10461,14 @@ index 343ab8a..eeb4d9d 100644 \start Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:43:39 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? Cc: list On 05/05/2008 05:46 AM, Bill Page wrote: > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM, C Y wrote: ->> --- Bill Page wrote: +>> --- Bill Page wrote: >> >>> I guess you need to be a little more explicit about the variables: >> Ah. Thanks Bill. I wonder if this is the desired default behavior? @@ -10531,7 +10531,7 @@ Ralf \start -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 May 2008 13:37:33 +0200 Cc: axiom-devel @@ -10658,8 +10658,8 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:03:05 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -10701,7 +10701,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:11:02 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Cc: axiom-devel Subject: Re: MathAction book links @@ -10744,7 +10744,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 16:59:08 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: MathAction book links Cc: axiom-devel @@ -10806,7 +10806,7 @@ On 05/05/2008 04:11 PM, Bill Page wrote: \start Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:20:08 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 05 May 2008 13:37:33 +0200) Subject: Re: MathAction book links @@ -10843,14 +10843,14 @@ Tim \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 May 2008 17:12:00 +0200 Cc: axiom-devel Subject: Re: MathAction book links -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > > Dear Bill, @@ -10908,7 +10908,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:32:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 05 May 2008 13:59:21 +0200) Subject: Re: MathAction book links @@ -10938,7 +10938,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 May 2008 17:19:43 +0200 Cc: list, bertfried.fauser@googlemail.com -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > >Apart from that, no: personally I know where to get the book from, but the > >newbie clicking on "book" on the FrontPage will give up immediately, I believe. @@ -10959,7 +10959,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:48:26 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -11058,7 +11058,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:53:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey <9q7ie8pyyn.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -11122,8 +11122,8 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:57:03 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -11270,7 +11270,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 12:44:36 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Message-id: <481F63A4.7090703@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 recognized. @@ -11297,7 +11297,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 23:31:16 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -13328,7 +13328,7 @@ index 24b4527..71f28d5 100644 \start Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 07:42:04 -0400 From: "Raymond E. Rogers" -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: 20080505.02.tpd.patch (CATS Schams-Axiom branch cut analysis) @@ -13374,8 +13374,8 @@ RayR \start Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:35:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +From: Bill Page +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -13607,7 +13607,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -13623,7 +13623,7 @@ Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > I have been thinking specifically about the algorithms that the Axiom > interpreter uses to do type inference and function selection. Some part of @@ -13656,7 +13656,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:08:23 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? @@ -13674,7 +13674,7 @@ Cc: list, On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Martin Rubey wrote: > -> "Bill Page" writes: +> Bill Page writes: > >> I have been thinking specifically about the algorithms that the Axiom >> interpreter uses to do type inference and function selection. Some part of @@ -13724,7 +13724,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:33:24 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: Am I posing this solve problem wrong? <799812.15862.qm@web56701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> @@ -13871,7 +13871,7 @@ Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 05:11:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch Martin Rubey wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > Axiom has a closed form for 2 integrals where Schaums has series. > > But at least one of them seems to be wrong. Since it seems that my message was @@ -13957,7 +13957,7 @@ index dfbaf88..7a4ef98 100644 \start Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 03:17:21 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: Schaums-Axiom difference @@ -14121,7 +14121,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 07 May 2008 14:11:27 +0200 Cc: -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > My best guess is that the problem lies in the code that fails to > simplify %e^(n log(x)) to x^n. @@ -14150,7 +14150,7 @@ Subject: Re: Schaums-Axiom difference Cc: list, fricas-devel Martin Rubey wrote: -> root Tim Daly writes: +> Tim Daly writes: > > >> My best guess is that the problem lies in the code that fails to @@ -14190,7 +14190,7 @@ the *definition* of a^b is %e^(b*log a) \start Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:37:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: scientific-linux-devel@fnal.gov, sage-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: William Stein, list, mabshoff@googlemail.com Subject: Sage on Scientific Linux? @@ -14225,7 +14225,7 @@ Axiom \start Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:41:41 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 07 May 2008 10:19:29 +0200) Subject: Re: Schaums-Axiom difference @@ -14266,7 +14266,7 @@ Cc: list I wrote: > Martin Rubey wrote: -> > root Tim Daly writes: +> > Tim Daly writes: > > > Axiom has a closed form for 2 integrals where Schaums has series. > > > > But at least one of them seems to be wrong. Since it seems that my message was @@ -14427,7 +14427,7 @@ about raw speed on large problems. \start Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 04:43:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: dawson@fnal.gov May 2008 02:15:28 -0500) <4822A890.5060203@fnal.gov> @@ -14650,7 +14650,7 @@ index f01b63d..62de8d7 100644 \start Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 02:15:28 -0500 From: Troy Dawson -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Message-id: <4822A890.5060203@fnal.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Cc: "William Stein" William Stein, @@ -14711,7 +14711,7 @@ Subject: Re: Sage on Scientific Linux? ------=_Part_24727_15022416.1210240326222 -On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:43 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > Troy, > @@ -14840,7 +14840,7 @@ index f8314e2..d61b757 100644 \start Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 21:16:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: [Tim Daly: Denavit-Hartenberg Matrices, Solid Modeling and CAS] @@ -14888,7 +14888,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 21:18:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Provisos @@ -14997,13 +14997,13 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:21:15 -0500 -From: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Provisos Cc: list, open-axiom-devel -On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > Journaling some comments made at ECCAD 2008: > > Re: the symbolic-numeric panel @@ -15040,7 +15040,7 @@ described in this ISSAC'97 paper? \start Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 23:06:57 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis (Gabriel Dos Reis) Subject: Re: Provisos @@ -15065,7 +15065,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:20:05 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list root on Sun, 11 May 2008 23:06:57 -0400) Subject: Re: Provisos @@ -15116,14 +15116,14 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:51:48 -0500 -From: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Provisos <206fcf960805111721u194dc5d3ifead7e99c9a153d9@mail.gmail.com> <200805120306.m4C36vP15626@localhost.localdomain> Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:06 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > >Do you know how this is different from the GUARDIAN package (Reduce) > >described in this ISSAC'97 paper? > > @@ -15146,7 +15146,7 @@ I've found a freely available `technical report' version of it here \start From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:18:22 -0500 -To: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: Andreas Dolzmann , list, Thomas Sturm Subject: Provisos @@ -15218,11 +15218,11 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:45:39 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Zach <95f1acd0805131532g758bafcev6d5191035cddbd80@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , axiom-math@nongnu.org +Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Solving symbolic vector equations: How do I do this in Axiom? @@ -15327,9 +15327,9 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:05:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: amca01@gmail.com - (amca01@gmail.com) +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew + (Alasdair McAndrew) Cc: list, axiom-mail@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom v. Maxima @@ -15816,7 +15816,7 @@ On 05/16/2008 08:02 PM, Martin Rubey wrote: \start Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:21:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: elzacho@gmail.com (message from Zach on Fri, 16 May 2008 11:58:44 -0600) <200805160405.m4G45TO18978@localhost.localdomain> @@ -16049,7 +16049,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:00:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Cc: Subject: floating point changes @@ -16066,12 +16066,12 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:56:19 -0500 -From: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: floating point changes Cc: list -On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > The floating point results returned running fedora8 and fedora9 differ > in the low order bits (same hardware). Does anyone know what might > have changed? Is this a library or C compiler change? @@ -16097,7 +16097,7 @@ This is to a large extent a hardware problem \start Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:37:31 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 18 May 2008 19:38:08 +0400) <877idrpqqn.fsf@inbox.ru> @@ -16228,7 +16228,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:41:08 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 18 May 2008 23:43:34 +0400) <877idrpqqn.fsf@inbox.ru> @@ -16260,7 +16260,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:42:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 18 May 2008 23:43:34 +0400) <877idrpqqn.fsf@inbox.ru> @@ -16301,7 +16301,7 @@ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:43:34 +0400 Cc: list Subject: Re: pkg-src -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >>I'd really like to push Axiom into the world, but I don't >>believe in tarballs or binary packages, other ways for Axiom @@ -17538,10 +17538,10 @@ index ac41077..d9ba9a3 100644 \start Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:13:34 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Cc: Subject: axiom-wiki enhancements @@ -17729,7 +17729,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:56:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Wed, 28 May 2008 14:54:29 +0200) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -17743,7 +17743,7 @@ no. \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:58:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Wed, 28 May 2008 14:54:29 +0200) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -17788,7 +17788,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:34:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Wed, 28 May 2008 20:01:24 +0200) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -17889,7 +17889,7 @@ torture myself. (Unfortunately, the axiom script has not yet been built.) \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:46:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Wed, 28 May 2008 21:15:27 +0200) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -17913,7 +17913,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:57:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Wed, 28 May 2008 21:15:27 +0200) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -18021,7 +18021,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:15:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru Cc: list Subject: pkgsrc @@ -18047,7 +18047,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:39:22 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Wed, 28 May 2008 21:54:08 +0200) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -18441,7 +18441,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:57:58 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Tim Daly root on Wed, 28 May 2008 17:39:22 -0400) Subject: Re: cannot build axiom @@ -18485,14 +18485,14 @@ Tim \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: cannot build axiom To: Tim Daly,Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:52:28 -0400 Cc: list On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:57:58 -0400 - root Tim Daly wrote: + Tim Daly wrote: >>So what will you tell them that you cannot figure out by >>a proper >>configure script automatically? @@ -18595,7 +18595,7 @@ index 6d35e34..d451fdf 100644 \start Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 04:03:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: William Sit Subject: Re: cannot build axiom Cc: list @@ -18705,7 +18705,7 @@ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:15:03 +0400 Cc: list Subject: Re: pkgsrc -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >>>I'd really like to push Axiom into the world, but I don't >>>believe in tarballs or binary packages, other ways for Axiom @@ -18742,7 +18742,7 @@ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:22:15 +0400 Cancel-Lock: sha1:B7H9K7tf14YbFUu6eM/JpRPh6Og= Subject: Re: cannot build axiom -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >>So what will you tell them that you cannot figure out by a proper >>configure script automatically? @@ -20847,7 +20847,7 @@ function? (Well I don't understand boot, so that may be a stupid question.) \start Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:35:12 +0100 From: "Peter Broadbery" -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: makeAxExportForm Cc: axiom-dev , fricas-devel , diff --git a/book/2008-06.txt b/book/2008-06.txt index afd3b55..2a91dac 100644 --- a/book/2008-06.txt +++ b/book/2008-06.txt @@ -5402,7 +5402,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:23:37 -0700 -From: "Scott Morrison" Scott Morrison +From: Scott Morrison To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation boundary="----=_Part_6436_3534162.1212528217576" @@ -5465,7 +5465,7 @@ Since the documentation for the program contains another program, doesn't th \start Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 19:35:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Scott Morrison (Scott Morrison) Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation @@ -5573,7 +5573,7 @@ Ted \start Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:28:28 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation @@ -7347,7 +7347,7 @@ index 16267c2..1daad5b 100644 \start Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 04:43:35 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation @@ -7440,7 +7440,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:20:16 -0500 -From: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation <9d9ff120806031952j4dbeace2mf4442096c4a61555@mail.gmail.com> @@ -7449,7 +7449,7 @@ Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation <200806040843.m548hZZ02547@localhost.localdomain> Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org -On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:43 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:43 AM, Tim Daly wrote: >>Another thing that comes across fairly clearly in the talk is that Sun >>is planning to use Fortress as a way to create a large scientific >>computing community just like Java was used to create a large "web @@ -7570,7 +7570,7 @@ commercial math packages a run for their money. \start Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:54:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: APL, J, and Axiom documentation <200806032335.m53NZK101978@localhost.localdomain> @@ -7717,7 +7717,7 @@ Arthur \start Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:22:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs Jun 2008 13:04:50 -0700) Subject: Re: aldor concern @@ -26461,7 +26461,7 @@ Anatoly \start Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:05:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ram@sunct1.jinr.ru Subject: Re: axiom bookvols Cc: list @@ -26480,7 +26480,7 @@ Excellent idea. Done. --Tim \start Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:34:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ram@sunct1.jinr.ru Subject: Re: axiom bookvols Cc: list @@ -30185,7 +30185,7 @@ Visit \start Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:33:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Subject: Lisp code development @@ -30207,7 +30207,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:34:42 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ram@sunct1.jinr.ru Subject: Re: axiom bookvols Cc: list @@ -31358,7 +31358,7 @@ index 2234b1e..19a8ba8 100644 \start Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:54:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com (message from Robert Dodier on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:13:50 -0700 (PDT)) <85b5c3130806181009r2fa90493l710781a3765e4cbc@mail.gmail.com> @@ -31723,7 +31723,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:03:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Waldek Hebisch Hebisch on Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:25:09 +0200 (CEST)) Subject: Re: 20080620.01.wxh.patch (fix directproduct @@ -31861,11 +31861,11 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:35:41 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" -To: "Alasdair McAndrew" +From: Bill Page +To: Alasdair McAndrew <1d67a53c0806251718u2556546dv6bab792afe49d58f@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Cyganski , - Axiom-Developer , + list, fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , axiom-mail@nongnu.org diff --git a/book/2008-07.txt b/book/2008-07.txt index 27c977d..6d7f2aa 100644 --- a/book/2008-07.txt +++ b/book/2008-07.txt @@ -117,9 +117,9 @@ index 6954079..f6e1c05 100644 \start Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:36:33 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "David Joyner" David Joyner -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel Subject: SIGSAM article on Axiom @@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ Fabio \start Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:35:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list CC: list (Fabio Stumbo) @@ -203,11 +203,11 @@ Fabio \start Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:07 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Gregory Vanuxem" <1215710329.3338.24.camel@ellipse> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Two hyperdoc questions @@ -452,7 +452,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:39:31 -0500 -From: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN failure on Sourceforge.net Cc: list @@ -491,7 +491,7 @@ operators. \start Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:59:55 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis (Gabriel Dos Reis) Subject: Re: SVN failure on Sourceforge.net @@ -576,14 +576,14 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:42:02 -0500 -From: "Gabriel Dos Reis" Gabriel Dos Reis +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: SVN failure on Sourceforge.net <206fcf960807161939t2086665ew51b688ff32bdf1e@mail.gmail.com> <200807170459.m6H4xtG13616@localhost.localdomain> Cc: list -On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > If this were the only SVN failure I'd experienced in the last > year I'd be quite mistaken. Note, however, that I've done an @@ -5153,7 +5153,7 @@ index b40f003..22e2b78 100644 \start Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:02:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com (message from Michael_D_G on Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT)) <0887e0a7-fbac-45d3-9639-8e815ee6daa5@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> @@ -5264,7 +5264,7 @@ Alfr \start Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:09:33 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: re: [sage-devel] Re: Identification with ldap. <0887e0a7-fbac-45d3-9639-8e815ee6daa5@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> @@ -5339,9 +5339,9 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:24 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel Subject: Re: Hints @@ -8058,9 +8058,9 @@ fedora8 and fedora9 binaries are available -- Tim \start Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:03:12 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Alfredo Portes -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel , aldor-l Subject: Re: RISC @@ -11550,7 +11550,7 @@ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:17:27 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, open-axiom-devel , aldor-l Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: RISC diff --git a/book/2008-08.txt b/book/2008-08.txt index 62824b9..69f09df 100644 --- a/book/2008-08.txt +++ b/book/2008-08.txt @@ -383,7 +383,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:53:25 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke 16 Aug 2008 00:44:47 +0200) recognized. @@ -9550,7 +9550,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:06:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:24:13 +0200) <48A9239D.4000005@hemmecke.de> @@ -9689,7 +9689,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:13:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke 18 Aug 2008 14:14:50 +0200) <48A9239D.4000005@hemmecke.de> @@ -9784,7 +9784,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:16:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:07:38 +0200) <48A9239D.4000005@hemmecke.de> @@ -9851,7 +9851,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:29:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke 18 Aug 2008 14:14:50 +0200) <48A9239D.4000005@hemmecke.de> @@ -9874,7 +9874,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:05:13 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly <48A9239D.4000005@hemmecke.de> <200808181306.m7ID6e926562@localhost.localdomain> <48A9660A.7010905@hemmecke.de> @@ -10624,7 +10624,7 @@ index 0000000..260d206 \start Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:42:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pip88nl@gmail.com recognized. Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org @@ -16889,7 +16889,7 @@ index 7da7e73..785bb5f 100644 \start Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:34:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list recognized. Cc: @@ -19806,7 +19806,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:10:40 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey Rubey on 28 Aug 2008 16:23:54 +0200) Subject: Re: 20080828.01.mxr.patch (add cost to bottomUp diff --git a/book/2008-09.txt b/book/2008-09.txt index 0ccb348..bea3b37 100644 --- a/book/2008-09.txt +++ b/book/2008-09.txt @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ MovGP0 \start Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:28:43 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Mov GP 0" Subject: Re: Counting Elements in Cyclic List Cc: axiom-developer , @@ -150,7 +150,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Sep 2008 19:00:23 +0200 Cc: axiom-developer -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > (4) -> count(x) == if cyclic? x then return %PositiveInfinity else #x @@ -164,9 +164,9 @@ Martin \start Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:50:15 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org - (bill.page@newsynthesis.org) +From: Tim Daly +To: Bill Page + (Bill Page) Subject: Re: Counting Elements in Cyclic List recognized. @@ -184,7 +184,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:40:19 -0400 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Counting Elements in Cyclic List @@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:27:18 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: movgp0@gmail.com (movgp0@gmail.com) Subject: Re: Counting Elements in Cyclic List @@ -3481,7 +3481,7 @@ Axiom Lead Developer \start Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:38:00 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: Re: Counting Elements in Cyclic List recognized. @@ -4824,7 +4824,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 02:51:48 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: Re: Axiom Abbreviated Category and Domain graph @@ -4895,7 +4895,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:37:59 -0700 -From: "Mike Hansen" +From: Mike Hansen To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Axiom Abbreviated Category and Domain graph <9d9ff120809062150k70bb58cbocb1423400e3f37cf@mail.gmail.com> @@ -4956,9 +4956,9 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:18:16 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly -To: mhansen@gmail.com - (mhansen@gmail.com) +From: Tim Daly +To: Mike Hansen + (Mike Hansen) Subject: Re: Axiom Abbreviated Category and Domain graph <9d9ff120809062150k70bb58cbocb1423400e3f37cf@mail.gmail.com> <200809070651.m876pmE23687@localhost.localdomain> @@ -5004,7 +5004,7 @@ patch is too large to post. see the website: \start Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:24:06 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pip88nl@gmail.com <20080909014320.GB30448@xinutec.org> recognized. @@ -5067,7 +5067,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 01:22:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pip88nl@gmail.com <20080909014320.GB30448@xinutec.org> <200809090424.m894O6N32312@localhost.localdomain> @@ -5119,7 +5119,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 02:24:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pip88nl@gmail.com <20080909014320.GB30448@xinutec.org> <200809090424.m894O6N32312@localhost.localdomain> @@ -8801,7 +8801,7 @@ index 283d330..67e1cd4 100644 \start Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:45:54 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list recognized. Subject: [Matt Kaufmann: FWD: Special issue on @@ -9384,7 +9384,7 @@ index 6a34b58..6f7c67a 100644 \start Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:21:56 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca on Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:57:12 -0400) Subject: Re: Of possible interest to Axiom @@ -9514,7 +9514,7 @@ Doug \start Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:55:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Doug Stewart Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:49:09 -0400) Subject: Re: Of possible interest to Axiom @@ -14269,7 +14269,7 @@ index b16f4b2..bd42900 100644 \start Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:41:10 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list recognized. Cc: @@ -23645,7 +23645,7 @@ Interpreter changes (Page) \start Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:11:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: "Amelia Taylor"originalbrickhouse@gmail.com recognized. Cc: list @@ -23679,7 +23679,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:27:15 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: "Amelia Taylor" , "Gregory G. Smith" recognized. @@ -23700,7 +23700,7 @@ Axiom Lead Developer \start Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:50:24 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com (message from mabshoff on Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:25:20 -0700 (PDT)) <85e81ba30809240849v391249b8x9becd649be3d95e5@mail.gmail.com> @@ -23764,7 +23764,7 @@ Axiom \start Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:30:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com (john.cremona@gmail.com) <85e81ba30809240849v391249b8x9becd649be3d95e5@mail.gmail.com> diff --git a/book/2008-10.txt b/book/2008-10.txt index 5b528ee..645e832 100644 --- a/book/2008-10.txt +++ b/book/2008-10.txt @@ -7530,7 +7530,7 @@ attributes exported and the attributes used. \start Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:49:55 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca on Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:03:47 -0400) <87prmml4h8.fsf@lattice.localdomain> @@ -7584,7 +7584,7 @@ Ted \start Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:44:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: re: Some code, if you are interested. @@ -7722,7 +7722,7 @@ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:38:59 -0400 of "Mon\, 6 Oct 2008 01\:49\:55 -0400") Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I'm finally free of the constraints for a bit. I will look at what > you sent in detail. @@ -7818,7 +7818,7 @@ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:13:18 -0400 of "Mon\, 6 Oct 2008 01\:49\:55 -0400") Cc: list -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I strongly recommend reviewing the clojure for lisp videos by Bill Hickey. I > think he has some fundamentally useful ideas for exploiting parallelism which > could be reflected into Axiom. @@ -7918,7 +7918,7 @@ Thanks a lot, \start Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:55:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: brunelli@fbk.eu 13 Oct 2008 15:09:49 +0200) Subject: Re: Slackware building of axiom-sept2008-src.tgz @@ -7942,7 +7942,7 @@ Tim Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:03:34 +0200 From: Roberto Brunelli rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060910 SeaMonkey/1.0.5 -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Slackware building of axiom-sept2008-src.tgz <200810141555.m9EFtDQ26622@localhost.localdomain> recognized. @@ -8056,7 +8056,7 @@ Value = NIL \start Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:50:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: brunelli@fbk.eu 15 Oct 2008 15:03:34 +0200) Subject: Re: Slackware building of axiom-sept2008-src.tgz diff --git a/book/2008-11.txt b/book/2008-11.txt index 47ca483..fd9fa40 100644 --- a/book/2008-11.txt +++ b/book/2008-11.txt @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ Categories added to bookvol10.2: \start -To: "Bill Page" +To: Bill Page <9q7i7kiq1z.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ Cc: axiom-devel , fricas-devel Subject: Re: Linebreaker for emacs mode -"Bill Page" writes: +Bill Page writes: > Tim Daly sent the original code for texbreak to the axiom-developer list here: > > http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2003-09/msg00101.html @@ -58,7 +58,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:40:56 -0500 From: "Ted Kosan" -To: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Axiom-Developer +To: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list Cc: Subject: Mathrider update @@ -3274,7 +3274,7 @@ See \start Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:21:56 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Nicolas.Thiery@u-psud.fr <85b5c3130808190123p1116c8f1q59d39dd3c790f516@mail.gmail.com> @@ -3328,7 +3328,7 @@ the categories. Every object created lives in some domain. \start Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:19:00 -0800 -From: "Mike Hansen" +From: Mike Hansen To: Tim Daly Subject: re: [sage-devel] Categories for the working programmer @@ -3343,7 +3343,7 @@ Cc: list, sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com, Hi Tim, -On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > There are at least two possible paths toward a category hierarchy in Sage, > adopting Axiom's version or designing a new one. > @@ -3364,9 +3364,9 @@ mathematical notion of a category? \start Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:59:32 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: mhansen@gmail.com - (mhansen@gmail.com) +From: Tim Daly +To: Mike Hansen + (Mike Hansen) Subject: re: [sage-devel] Categories for the working programmer @@ -3382,7 +3382,7 @@ Cc: list, sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com, Mike, ->On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +>On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Tim Daly wrote: >> There are at least two possible paths toward a category hierarchy in Sage, >> adopting Axiom's version or designing a new one. >> @@ -3500,7 +3500,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:19:12 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Nicolas.Thiery@u-psud.fr <85b5c3130808190123p1116c8f1q59d39dd3c790f516@mail.gmail.com> @@ -3528,7 +3528,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:02:40 +0100 From: "Nicolas M. Thiery" -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly <85b5c3130808190123p1116c8f1q59d39dd3c790f516@mail.gmail.com> @@ -3587,7 +3587,7 @@ http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ \start Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:32:00 +0100 From: "Nicolas M. Thiery" -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly <85b5c3130808190123p1116c8f1q59d39dd3c790f516@mail.gmail.com> @@ -3757,11 +3757,11 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:06:53 -0500 -From: "Bill Page" +From: Bill Page To: "Chris Walker" , fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Cc: Camm Maguire Subject: Fwd: Axiom in debian @@ -3790,7 +3790,7 @@ Bill Page. From: Chris Walker Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:20 PM Subject: Axiom in debian -To: bill.page@newsynthesis.org +To: Bill Page Bill, @@ -5058,7 +5058,7 @@ index bb73b77..91d26a3 100644 \start Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:48:21 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: Re: User Interface Help @@ -5133,7 +5133,7 @@ Ted \start Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:48:34 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: Re: User Interface Help @@ -5353,7 +5353,7 @@ Ted \start Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:19:05 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: ted.kosan@gmail.com (ted.kosan@gmail.com) Subject: Re: User Interface Help @@ -11168,7 +11168,7 @@ index 787318c..ac05fe8 100644 \start Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:13:12 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Tim Lahey recognized. Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com diff --git a/book/2008-12.txt b/book/2008-12.txt index 00a7309..7e5534b 100644 --- a/book/2008-12.txt +++ b/book/2008-12.txt @@ -146,7 +146,7 @@ index a88a865..1bf7b1d 100644 \start Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:54:46 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: karl.hegbloom@gmail.com 01 Dec 2008 14:30:42 -0700) Subject: Re: [patch] Suggested grammatical improvement for @@ -489,7 +489,7 @@ index 4f9cb94..fa77512 100644 \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) To: Tim Daly,list @@ -571,10 +571,10 @@ On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:39:54 -0600 \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) -To: "William Sit" William Sit,Tim Daly, +To: William Sit,Tim Daly, list Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:48:45 -0500 Cc: @@ -608,7 +608,7 @@ William On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:33:04 -0500 - "William Sit" William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: >Tim: > >I downloaded the zip file, unzip and copy boot and DOYEN @@ -693,7 +693,7 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) To: Tim Daly, list @@ -777,7 +777,7 @@ William \start Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:19:34 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) @@ -951,7 +951,7 @@ This patch is too large to post. See \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) To: Alfredo Portes @@ -1376,7 +1376,7 @@ index 4073795..f395d21 100644 \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) To: Alfredo Portes,Tim Daly @@ -8903,7 +8903,7 @@ index 6c5e67c..fdc11a2 100644 \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: 20081202.02.tpd.patch (website download.html add Doyen Thumbdrive) To: Alfredo Portes, Tim Daly @@ -18141,7 +18141,7 @@ index 56ed9a4..4af04b1 100644 \start Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:18:36 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: rcari2000@yahoo.com Roberto Cari on Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:55:18 -0800 (PST)) recognized. @@ -18163,7 +18163,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 04:49:10 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: rcari2000@yahoo.com Roberto Cari on Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:16:55 -0800 (PST)) recognized. @@ -18171,7 +18171,7 @@ Cc: list Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom installation on Vector linux -> From: root Tim Daly +> From: Tim Daly > Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom installation on Vector linux > To: rcari2000@yahoo.com > Cc: Tim Daly, list @@ -18212,7 +18212,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:45:19 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: rcari2000@yahoo.com Roberto Cari on Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:55:54 -0800 (PST)) recognized. @@ -18235,7 +18235,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:23:36 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: rcari2000@yahoo.com recognized. Cc: list, axiom-mail@nongnu.org diff --git a/book/2009-02.txt b/book/2009-02.txt index 8e485dc..230c03a 100644 --- a/book/2009-02.txt +++ b/book/2009-02.txt @@ -9624,7 +9624,7 @@ suggestions. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >> Greetings! I'm still here, but dealing with some life changes. I'm >> gearing up now to restart the gcl and dependency package maintenance @@ -9633,7 +9633,7 @@ root Tim Daly writes: >> >> Take care, >> ->> root Tim Daly writes: +>> Tim Daly writes: >> >> > Camm, >> > @@ -19136,7 +19136,7 @@ this evening. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -19197,7 +19197,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:50:11 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org on Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:40:47 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -20169,7 +20169,7 @@ test machine. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > EXPEXPAN is the most complex of the algebra compiles. > It does compile on all of my platforms, which includes about 1 dozen @@ -20192,7 +20192,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:34:28 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:31:18 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -20241,7 +20241,7 @@ drop a note to this list, as I'm not at home. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > EXPEXPAN is the most complex of the algebra compiles. > It does compile on all of my platforms, which includes about 1 dozen @@ -22418,7 +22418,7 @@ index 0ed5c8f..564aaaf 100644 \start Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:29:01 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org on Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:37:28 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -22441,7 +22441,7 @@ to the top level. \start Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:29:59 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org on Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:37:28 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -22535,7 +22535,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:21:10 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org on Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:42:46 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -22587,7 +22587,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:55:26 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org on Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:10:30 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -23497,7 +23497,7 @@ time. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Thoses gold sources certainly compile on other platforms so I'm not sure > the failure lives in the Axiom source code. @@ -24310,7 +24310,7 @@ index c668b7b..55f0b57 100644 \start Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:47:13 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Tim Daly root on Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:55:26 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -26722,7 +26722,7 @@ index 11a8e9f..c029a9f 100644 \start Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:52:19 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:20:26 -0500) Subject: re: Debian axiom build failures @@ -26785,7 +26785,7 @@ Please let me know if this causes you problems. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -26914,7 +26914,7 @@ Thanks for any insight. I'll figure it out if you are busy. Take care, -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > diff --git a/book/2009-03.txt b/book/2009-03.txt index f068b3b..1e76178 100644 --- a/book/2009-03.txt +++ b/book/2009-03.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:11:19 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:24:40 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:26:43 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:24:40 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:10:27 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:24:40 -0500) <87eiyd8na4.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -176,8 +176,8 @@ index 0000000..2c14c82 \start Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 08:03:54 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch, +From: Tim Daly +To: Waldek Hebisch, Martin Rubey recognized. Cc: list @@ -17392,7 +17392,7 @@ index 997c527..dfcf93c 100644 \start Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:44:07 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: camm@maguirefamily.org Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:20:26 -0500) Subject: re: Debian axiom build failures @@ -22605,7 +22605,7 @@ opt|)))) ((BOOT-EQUAL |st| (QUOTE LITERALS)) (SPADLET |opt| (|object2String| (|t \start Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:36:37 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Peter.Horn@localhost.localdomain (horn@mathematik.uni-kassel.de), Dan.Roozemond@localhost.localdomain (d.a.roozemond@tue.nl), Om@openmath.org recognized. @@ -22655,7 +22655,7 @@ Axiom Lead Developer \start Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:52:06 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Peter Horn , Dan Roozemond , Om@openmath.org recognized. @@ -27243,7 +27243,7 @@ index 2478e04..9ee26d5 100644 \start Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:08:07 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list recognized. Subject: 1st CFP - SYNASC 2009 - 11th International @@ -27683,8 +27683,8 @@ Lisp \start Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:44:07 -0400 -From: Bill Page -To: Axiom-Developer , +From: Bill Page +To: list, open-axiom-devel , fricas-devel Cc: diff --git a/book/2009-04.txt b/book/2009-04.txt index 75d46e4..61e95ae 100644 --- a/book/2009-04.txt +++ b/book/2009-04.txt @@ -183,7 +183,7 @@ We make your business move.=20 \start Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:25:26 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Michael.Becker@coconet.de Michael Becker on Fri, 3 Apr 2009 05:34:23 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom-mar2009 release : search with '*' does not @@ -366,7 +366,7 @@ It looks like this may be the (formerly?) commercial REDUCE, based on their hist \start Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:54:53 -0500 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Cliff Yapp on Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:54:06 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: REDUCE open source? @@ -4397,7 +4397,7 @@ index b90f94a..782bc59 100644 \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 23:02:56 -0600 -To: list, "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: list, Ralf Hemmecke Cc: Subject: 20090404.02.tpd.patch (bookvol0 add domain examples) @@ -5446,7 +5446,7 @@ Subject: Is the anybody here? \start Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:18:51 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pashev.igor@gmail.com Apr 2009 18:53:14 +0400) Subject: Re: Is the anybody here? @@ -5580,7 +5580,7 @@ make: *** [all-src] Error 2 \start Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:36:38 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pashev.igor@gmail.com Apr 2009 19:48:19 +0400) Subject: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware @@ -5733,7 +5733,7 @@ Q0gtNjYwLTA4NjE5OTctODxicj4NCjwvZm9udD4NCg== \start Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:45:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: hpabst@csc.com (message from Hans-Georg Pabst on Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:04:42 +0200) Subject: Re: build process: INSTALL replaced by DESTDIR - @@ -5817,7 +5817,7 @@ Ralf \start Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:52:36 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:01:36 +0200) Subject: re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released @@ -6218,7 +6218,7 @@ a syntactic sugar for Common Lisp. \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:22:49 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pashev.igor@gmail.com Apr 2009 23:12:58 +0400) Subject: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware @@ -7275,7 +7275,7 @@ Axiom-developer mailing list
\start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:37:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Scott Morrison (message from Scott Morrison on Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:26:53 -0700) Subject: re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released @@ -7501,7 +7501,7 @@ BECHA... Subject: Re: 20090410.03.tpd.patch (faq 50: Cannot find libXpm.a) From: Gregory Vanuxem -To: Tim Daly, Axiom-Developer +To: Tim Daly, list Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:03:14 +0200 recognized. Cc: @@ -7668,7 +7668,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Cc: list, open-axiom-devel -On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:37 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > Since boot was written in boot we had a situation where we needed a > running Axiom in order to build Axiom. This was also true of the @@ -7719,7 +7719,7 @@ be much easier to maintain. -- Scott -On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > > As Dick Jenks explained it to me when I joined the Axiom project in 1984, > @@ -7780,7 +7780,7 @@ Tim
\start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:06:14 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: pashev.igor@gmail.com Apr 2009 18:39:27 +0400) Subject: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware @@ -7827,7 +7827,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:15:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 11 Apr 2009 15:31:39 +0400) Subject: re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released @@ -7866,7 +7866,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:49:14 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 11 Apr 2009 15:31:39 +0400) Subject: re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released @@ -7936,7 +7936,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:54:13 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 11 Apr 2009 15:31:39 +0400) Subject: re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released @@ -7964,7 +7964,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:56:26 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: g.vanuxem@orange.fr on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:03:14 +0200) Subject: Re: 20090410.03.tpd.patch (faq 50: Cannot find @@ -8057,7 +8057,7 @@ Steve \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:43:17 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca Wilson on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:29:27 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8100,7 +8100,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Cc: list, wilsons@start.ca -On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:43 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Tim Daly wrote: >> Actually, a patch for this problem was posted a year ago (and even long = before >> counting the build-improvements branch). =A0I was (mistakenly) under the @@ -8142,7 +8142,7 @@ Stephen';s suggestion is correct for 99.9% of the platforms. \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:50:03 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis (message from Gabriel Dos Reis on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:18:37 -0500) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8229,7 +8229,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Cc: list, wilsons@start.ca -On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > I await your diff-Naur patch for autoconf builds of the Axiom trunk. > If you recall, I've asked for this since you first did autoconf. @@ -8277,7 +8277,7 @@ for OpenAxiom and FriCAS in the real world on real systems \start Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:51:07 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis (message from Gabriel Dos Reis on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:36:04 -0500) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8325,7 +8325,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Cc: list, wilsons@start.ca -On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:51 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > > All I asked was, did anyone test the patch. @@ -8352,7 +8352,7 @@ we know of. \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:18:08 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis (message from Gabriel Dos Reis on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:18:59 -0500) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8385,7 +8385,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Tim Daly Cc: list, wilsons@start.ca -On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, root Tim Daly wrote: +On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Tim Daly wrote: >> > All I asked was, did anyone test the patch. >> >> Yes. =A0It succeeds on one , and failed on another one -- the one it fai= @@ -8404,7 +8404,7 @@ As you know, my primary machines run openSUSE. \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:35:04 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Gabriel Dos Reis (message from Gabriel Dos Reis on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:41:16 -0500) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8447,7 +8447,7 @@ Cancel-Lock: sha1:ayqSYwZlTPS/anYaFOnZzE2uJxM= seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: Re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >> > Given that the goals of OpenAxiom are directly opposed to the stated >> > project goals of Axiom, how do you see that this difference should be @@ -8555,7 +8555,7 @@ BECHA... \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:16:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: asau@inbox.ru 12 Apr 2009 10:58:31 +0400) Subject: re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released @@ -8660,7 +8660,7 @@ defend his reputation. \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:39:01 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Tim Daly root on Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:50:03 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8698,7 +8698,7 @@ Cancel-Lock: sha1:04BnupbffBVuBUN04MrPhpDCQeI= seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: Re: OpenAxiom-1.2.1 released -root Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: >> I'm not going to do any work, that is rejected before planning stage. >> It is a mere waste of time, I'm not going to live forever or wait forever, @@ -8881,7 +8881,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:04:32 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] <20090411222927.GA7785@fibrous.localdomain> <200904120143.n3C1hH308454@localhost.localdomain> @@ -8934,7 +8934,7 @@ This is the case for OpenAxiom. \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:20:29 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca Wilson on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:04:32 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -8970,7 +8970,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:25:12 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca Wilson on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:04:32 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -9009,7 +9009,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:10:33 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] <20090411222927.GA7785@fibrous.localdomain> <200904120143.n3C1hH308454@localhost.localdomain> @@ -9056,7 +9056,7 @@ Steve \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:36:40 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] <20090411222927.GA7785@fibrous.localdomain> <200904120143.n3C1hH308454@localhost.localdomain> @@ -9102,7 +9102,7 @@ Steve \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:01:37 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca Wilson on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:36:40 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -9139,7 +9139,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:03:47 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca Wilson on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:36:40 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -9400,7 +9400,7 @@ CY \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:02:09 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] <200904120143.n3C1hH308454@localhost.localdomain> <206fcf960904111818w2c511f7k965fd63183baa145@mail.gmail.com> @@ -9469,7 +9469,7 @@ Steve \start Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:30:28 -0400 From: Stephen Wilson -To: root Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] <200904120143.n3C1hH308454@localhost.localdomain> <206fcf960904111818w2c511f7k965fd63183baa145@mail.gmail.com> @@ -9502,7 +9502,7 @@ Steve \start Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:32:34 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: wilsons@start.ca Wilson on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:30:28 -0400) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Building Axiom on Slackware] @@ -9593,7 +9593,7 @@ We make your business move.=20 \start Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:49:53 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Michael.Becker@coconet.de Michael Becker on Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:50:32 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom-mar2009 release : )edit filename does not @@ -11436,7 +11436,7 @@ We make your business move.=20 \start Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:17:50 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Michael.Becker@coconet.de Michael Becker on Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:50:54 +0200) Subject: Re: axiom-mar2009 release : draw problem diff --git a/book/2009-05.txt b/book/2009-05.txt index fa67845..5838585 100644 --- a/book/2009-05.txt +++ b/book/2009-05.txt @@ -1506,7 +1506,7 @@ http://axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/patches.html#latest \start Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:21:20 -0400 -From: root Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: Francois Maltey 04 May 2009 17:44:30 +0200) Subject: Re: An axiom in ubuntu. diff --git a/book/2009-06.txt b/book/2009-06.txt index a682b5b..07c607a 100644 --- a/book/2009-06.txt +++ b/book/2009-06.txt @@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ Tim Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:04:03 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis, - martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, bill.page@newsynthesis.org, + martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, Bill Page, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, daly Tim Daly, list <877hztrxuj.fsf@gauss.cs.tamu.edu> <4A26C4AA.4030506@hemmecke.de> @@ -782,7 +782,7 @@ assumptions. \start Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:17:53 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, list, @@ -808,7 +808,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis (Bill Page's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 21\:17\:53 -0400") Enigneering @@ -826,7 +826,7 @@ Cc: martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, axiom-mail@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [Axiom-mail] InputForm -Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > ... @@ -862,7 +862,7 @@ choices to make and people are likely to make different choices. \start Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:34:06 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, list, @@ -898,7 +898,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page From: Gabriel Dos Reis (Bill Page's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 22\:34\:06 -0400") Enigneering @@ -916,7 +916,7 @@ Cc: martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, axiom-mail@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [Axiom-mail] InputForm -Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: | > | On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: | > | > ... @@ -962,7 +962,7 @@ just being specialized for algebraic computations only. \start Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:15:22 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis Cc: martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, list, @@ -1011,7 +1011,7 @@ Tim Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:04:52 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke, Gabriel Dos Reis, - martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, bill.page@newsynthesis.org, + martin.rubey@math.uni-hannover.de, Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, daly Tim Daly, list <877hztrxuj.fsf@gauss.cs.tamu.edu> <4A26C4AA.4030506@hemmecke.de> @@ -2443,7 +2443,7 @@ Arnold Doray wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:08:24 -0400 Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Problem with real/imag/conjugate -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: list recognized. Cc: arnold@terra-weather.com, fricas-devel , @@ -2582,7 +2582,7 @@ c3QgYXJnCiAgICAgICAgIHkgIDo9IGltYWcgZmlyc3QgYXJnCg== \start Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:01:57 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] Problem with real/imag/conjugate @@ -2701,11 +2701,11 @@ Excellent. I will try to apply the patch and test it. --Tim \start Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:02:35 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel Cc: arnold@terra-weather.com, open-axiom-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: symbolic (exact) trig expressions versus numeric results @@ -2904,11 +2904,11 @@ Z3MydHJpZ3MgZgo= \start Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:14:46 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: re: symbolic (exact) trig expressions versus numeric results -Cc: arnold@terra-weather.com, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: arnold@terra-weather.com, list, fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel @@ -3129,7 +3129,7 @@ On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 17:40 -0400, Tim Daly wrote: Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:46:32 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: ekhaya.lindsay@gmail.com, daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: Subject: Mandriva axiom install @@ -3322,7 +3322,7 @@ We make your business move.=20 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:51:21 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: ekhaya.lindsay@gmail.com, daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Cc: Subject: Re: Mandriva axiom install diff --git a/book/2009-07.txt b/book/2009-07.txt index 6fd18ab..d0707b2 100644 --- a/book/2009-07.txt +++ b/book/2009-07.txt @@ -1533,7 +1533,7 @@ On 07/21/2009 05:44 AM, Michael Becker wrote: \start From: Michael Becker -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: Internal Error : Interpreter code generation failed for expression... Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:18:34 +0200 @@ -1851,7 +1851,7 @@ Ralf Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:08:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Internal Error : Interpreter code generation failed for expression... -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list, Michael Becker @@ -2233,7 +2233,7 @@ We make your business move.=20 \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: bad errormessage: There are no library operations named ADEF To: Michael Becker , @@ -2604,7 +2604,7 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: composition of functions not supported in axiom ??? To: Michael Becker , diff --git a/book/2009-08.txt b/book/2009-08.txt index c32089b..fbe94f1 100644 --- a/book/2009-08.txt +++ b/book/2009-08.txt @@ -113,7 +113,7 @@ Ed Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:15:18 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Eduardo Cavazos , - Axiom-Developer , + list, daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: build error (resend) <4A76A369.9090502@gmail.com> <4A76AA6D.5070707@axiom-developer.org> @@ -192,7 +192,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:52:47 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Eduardo Cavazos , - Axiom-Developer , + list, daly Tim Daly <4A76A369.9090502@gmail.com> <4A76AA6D.5070707@axiom-developer.org> <4A76AAA6.5040803@axiom-developer.org> @@ -285,7 +285,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:54:32 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Eduardo Cavazos , - Axiom-Developer , + list, daly Tim Daly <4A76A369.9090502@gmail.com> <4A76AA6D.5070707@axiom-developer.org> <4A76AAA6.5040803@axiom-developer.org> @@ -976,7 +976,7 @@ We make your business move.=20 \start Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:57:22 -0400 Subject: Re: unexpected behaviour of normalize(1-(cos(x))^2) -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Michael Becker Cc: list @@ -1199,7 +1199,7 @@ Integer,Expression Integer) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:42:30 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: "Segletes, Steven (Civ,ARL/WMRD)" , - axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Axiom-Developer , + axiom-mail@nongnu.org, list, daly Tim Daly Cc: Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Exponential Integral @@ -1255,7 +1255,7 @@ Segletes, Steven (Civ,ARL/WMRD) wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:47:48 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: "Segletes, Steven (Civ,ARL/WMRD)" , - axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Axiom-Developer , + axiom-mail@nongnu.org, list, daly Tim Daly Cc: Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Exponential Integral @@ -1312,7 +1312,7 @@ Thread-Topic: [Axiom-mail] Exponential Integral (UNCLASSIFIED) Thread-Index: AcoeCus7I8wJ6MSHRP6pwTPfiMZBKAB/TRQg <4A8755F6.3090102@axiom-developer.org> From: "Segletes, Steven (Civ,ARL/WMRD)" -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly, , +To: Tim Daly, , "Axiom-Developer" FILETIME=[C2344E10:01CA200A] Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:12:12 EDT @@ -2690,7 +2690,7 @@ ge-devel \start Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:53:17 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer , +To: list, daly Tim Daly Cc: Subject: Interpreter changes @@ -2724,7 +2724,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:53:36 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: Interpreter changes BbXv0bk46HoecwK8K7Crr9t7TXmN0ymPwzbCOwjGXfxdV81zix vuBmi2gKZgdjT7wp3H727bcylX7DAUSQUzzVrc9o3k= diff --git a/book/2009-09.txt b/book/2009-09.txt index 8f333ba..7a21cf7 100644 --- a/book/2009-09.txt +++ b/book/2009-09.txt @@ -90,7 +90,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ralf Hemmecke Subject: Re: hyperdoc on the web Cc: fricas-devel , - Axiom-Developer , daly@aximo-developer.org + list, daly@aximo-developer.org Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > Hello, diff --git a/book/2009-10.txt b/book/2009-10.txt index 226f925..96b3f06 100644 --- a/book/2009-10.txt +++ b/book/2009-10.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:28:20 +0200 (CEST) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: hyperdoc on the web <4AC11B30.4010103@axiom-developer.org> <4AC12510.3@hemmecke.de> @@ -30,7 +30,7 @@ Franz \start Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:44:54 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: hyperdoc on the web <4AC11B30.4010103@axiom-developer.org> <4AC12510.3@hemmecke.de> <4AC1275B.1070607@axiom-developer.org> @@ -180,7 +180,7 @@ James \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "empty list" results, inverse trig substitutions, "Floats" in "solve" To: james@nurealm.net,list @@ -394,7 +394,7 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:57:15 -0400 Subject: Re: "empty list" results, inverse trig substitutions, "Floats" in "solve" -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: William Sit Cc: list @@ -447,7 +447,7 @@ Bill Page. \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: "empty list" results, inverse trig substitutions, "Floats" in "solve" To: james@nurealm.net,list @@ -631,7 +631,7 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:19:50 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: William Stein, Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer , sage-devel@googlegroups.com + list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Subject: Axiom trademark and ethics @@ -2077,7 +2077,7 @@ BF. \start Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:12:40 -0400 Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] finding source code -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Bertfried Fauser Cc: Martin Baker , axiom-devel @@ -2139,7 +2139,7 @@ Bill Page. Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:48:12 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at, daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Cc: Subject: Examples on functions @@ -2205,7 +2205,7 @@ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:46:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Examples on functions From: Bertfried Fauser To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Cc: Axiom-Developer , lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at +Cc: list, lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at Dear Tim, @@ -2253,7 +2253,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Bertfried Fauser Subject: Re: Examples on functions <275293a60910301446l87b8ed1k53402a906517738d@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at +Cc: list, lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at Bertfried Fauser wrote: > Dear Tim, @@ -2319,7 +2319,7 @@ From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: Examples on functions <4AEB6BC7.2090000@axiom-developer.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at, +Cc: list, lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at, Bertfried Fauser > As for documentation, it helps to include a small paragraph that diff --git a/book/2009-11.txt b/book/2009-11.txt index 6f6cd60..88ab84c 100644 --- a/book/2009-11.txt +++ b/book/2009-11.txt @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:04:09 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: lehner@bayou.uni-linz.ac.at, daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer , + list, Bertfried Fauser Cc: Subject: listOfTerms @@ -20,13 +20,13 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:43:31 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: listOfTerms <4AEE21F9.6020808@axiom-developer.org> SAEximRunCond expanded to false seldom 2.4 (older, 4) -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -46,11 +46,11 @@ Franz \start Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:42:35 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: listOfTerms <4AEE21F9.6020808@axiom-developer.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser Franz Lehner wrote: @@ -79,7 +79,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:11:45 +0000 From: Bertfried Fauser -To: root Tim Daly, axiom-devel +To: Tim Daly, axiom-devel Cc: Subject: listOfTerms @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ category constructor \start Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:28:02 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Bertfried Fauser Subject: Re: listOfTerms SAEximRunCond expanded to false @@ -384,7 +384,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:05:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Axiom compiling - newbie questions -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Martin Baker Cc: axiom-devel @@ -500,7 +500,7 @@ I \start From: Martin Baker -To: Bill Page , +To: Bill Page, "axiom-devel" Subject: Re: Axiom compiling - newbie questions Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:02:15 +0000 @@ -645,7 +645,7 @@ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:51:45 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Bertfried Fauser , daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Cc: Subject: pointers @@ -684,11 +684,11 @@ Tim \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Tim Daly Tim Daly,Bertfried Fauser , daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:09:30 -0500 Cc: @@ -755,9 +755,9 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:18:51 -0500 Subject: Re: pointers -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser Tim, @@ -802,7 +802,7 @@ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:24:48 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser I'm not sure what you want. Perhaps you'd like to say: @@ -887,11 +887,11 @@ William Sit wrote: \start Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:38:26 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: pointers <4AF8B921.8020201@axiom-developer.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser OpenAxiom's choice is perfectly rational as far as I can tell. @@ -964,7 +964,7 @@ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:21:28 -0600 Subject: Re: pointers From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: William Sit -Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, list, Bertfried Fauser On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM, William Sit wrote: @@ -992,11 +992,11 @@ ask for the arguments that were used to instantiate it: \start Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:33:39 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: pointers <4AF8B921.8020201@axiom-developer.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis, Bertfried Fauser @@ -1070,7 +1070,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis <4AF8FB33.9060409@axiom-developer.org> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:42:51 -0600 seldom 2.4 (older, 4) -Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, list, Bertfried Fauser Tim Daly Tim Daly writes: @@ -1097,11 +1097,11 @@ collision. \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Tim Daly Tim Daly,William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I @@ -1231,12 +1231,12 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Gabriel Dos Reis,William Sit William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:45:15 -0500 -Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, list, Bertfried Fauser Gabriel: @@ -1292,12 +1292,12 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -To: "William Sit" William Sit,Tim Daly +To: William Sit,Tim Daly Tim Daly,William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser Tim: @@ -1380,7 +1380,7 @@ William ---- On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 - "William Sit" William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: >Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I >would like to compare c.1 with some known constructor, >say Fraction. (In other words, given a domain of category @@ -1510,13 +1510,13 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -To: "William Sit" William Sit,"William Sit" +To: William Sit,"William Sit" William Sit,Tim Daly Tim Daly,William Sit William Sit Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:22:51 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser It appears that to test the constructor, one must test a @@ -1582,7 +1582,7 @@ domain SExpression. So is this a bug? William On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 - "William Sit" William Sit wrote: + William Sit wrote: >Tim: > >Sorry about the last message, please ignore. @@ -1672,7 +1672,7 @@ On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 >---- > >On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 -> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +> William Sit wrote: >>Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I >>would like to compare c.1 with some known constructor, >>say Fraction. (In other words, given a domain of category @@ -1811,7 +1811,7 @@ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:49:17 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you having trouble with working in @@ -1888,7 +1888,7 @@ William Sit wrote: > William > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 -> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +> William Sit wrote: >> Tim: >> >> Sorry about the last message, please ignore. @@ -1965,7 +1965,7 @@ William Sit wrote: >> ---- >> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 ->> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +>> William Sit wrote: >>> Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I would like >>> to compare c.1 with some known constructor, say Fraction. (In other >>> words, given a domain of category Field, I would like to know if it @@ -2392,7 +2392,7 @@ MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: pointers//Decontructing domains <4AF9A79D.1030803@axiom-developer.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser Tim: @@ -2521,7 +2521,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > > William > > > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 -> > "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +> > William Sit wrote: > >> Tim: > >> > >> Sorry about the last message, please ignore. @@ -2598,7 +2598,7 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > >> ---- > >> > >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 -> >> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +> >> William Sit wrote: > >>> Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I would like > >>> to compare c.1 with some known constructor, say Fraction. (In other > >>> words, given a domain of category Field, I would like to know if it @@ -2740,7 +2740,7 @@ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:19:34 -0600 Subject: Re: pointers From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: William Sit -Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: open-axiom-help@lists.sf.net, list, Bertfried Fauser On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:45 AM, William Sit wrote: @@ -2827,7 +2827,7 @@ To: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers//Decontructing domains <4AF9A79D.1030803@axiom-developer.org> <4AF9C937.7C127764@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Bertfried Fauser Axiom now has an "API" (ApplicationProgramInterface) domain @@ -2967,7 +2967,7 @@ William Sit wrote: >>> William >>> >>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:58 -0500 ->>> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +>>> William Sit wrote: >>> >>>> Tim: >>>> @@ -3045,7 +3045,7 @@ William Sit wrote: >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:25 -0500 ->>>> "William Sit" William Sit wrote: +>>>> William Sit wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Tim. That is exactly what I am looking for. Now I would like >>>>> to compare c.1 with some known constructor, say Fraction. (In other @@ -3183,7 +3183,7 @@ William Sit wrote: \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: pointers To: Gabriel Dos Reis, William Sit @@ -3250,7 +3250,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:52:27 +0100 (CET) -From: Franz Lehner +From: Franz Lehner To: Tim Daly Tim Daly Subject: Re: Function cache in Axiom <4B004EED.5000807@axiom-developer.org> @@ -3272,7 +3272,7 @@ Franz \start Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:14:23 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: Function cache in Axiom <4B004EED.5000807@axiom-developer.org> @@ -4502,7 +4502,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:18:21 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer , +To: list, daly Tim Daly Cc: Subject: re: Elder of the Internet @@ -4517,7 +4517,7 @@ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAUyaELfwBo&feature=related \start Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:13:04 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: gg87346@martinb.com, Axiom-Developer , +To: gg87346@martinb.com, list, "Tim Daly >> daly" Tim Daly Cc: Subject: grassman.spad @@ -4540,7 +4540,7 @@ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:35:17 +0000 VWg2R0sVZnB+TfzQwucsCyJqN03NxkWsJOFs/aYKfusb3Cwxtt DocVqBpXcymdUooxWX0rA== recognized. -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: grassman.spad On Wednesday 18 November 2009 18:13:04 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -4578,7 +4578,7 @@ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:47:09 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Martin Baker <200911181835.17480.ax87438@martinb.com> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: grassman.spad Martin, @@ -4635,7 +4635,7 @@ MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Daly Tim Daly <200911181835.17480.ax87438@martinb.com> <4B04412D.1000805@axiom-developer.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: grassman.spad Tim: @@ -5096,7 +5096,7 @@ To: William Sit <200911181835.17480.ax87438@martinb.com> <4B04412D.1000805@axiom-developer.org> <4B045DDE.9300E12F@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: grassman.spad Ok, so perhaps "an amazingly clever generalization" is possibly over-the-top @@ -5166,7 +5166,7 @@ William Sit wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:24:38 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Bertfried Fauser , - Franz Lehner , + Franz Lehner, list, daly Tim Daly <4B004EED.5000807@axiom-developer.org> <275293a60911151119q10eb2ebbt1fc63a2f6ff33fbf@mail.gmail.com> @@ -5358,7 +5358,7 @@ Tim Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:07:25 +0000 From: Bertfried Fauser To: Tim Daly Tim Daly -Cc: list, Franz Lehner +Cc: list, Franz Lehner Subject: Re: Function cache in Axiom (Memoizing) Dear Tim, @@ -6734,7 +6734,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Martin Baker , Bertfried Fauser , Ralf Hemmecke, Arthur Ralfs , - Axiom-Developer , + list, daly Tim Daly Cc: Subject: large PDFs @@ -7240,7 +7240,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Bug 387255 <387255@bugs.launchpad.net>, Christoph Egger , daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list <20091127213158.GA5775@christoph-egger.org> Cc: Subject: Re: [Bug 387255] Axiom in Debian @@ -7319,7 +7319,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Bug 387255 <387255@bugs.launchpad.net>, Christoph Egger , daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list <20091127213158.GA5775@christoph-egger.org> <4B10BA46.7040004@axiom-developer.org> Cc: diff --git a/book/2009-12.txt b/book/2009-12.txt index 822b449..615c90f 100644 --- a/book/2009-12.txt +++ b/book/2009-12.txt @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ To: Ralf Hemmecke <4B010CA5.8060108@hemmecke.de> <4B14C0CD.2020006@hemmecke.de> Cc: fricas-devel , aldor-l , Mike Dewar, Stephen Watt, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [Aldor-l] License for FriCAS-Aldor interface files @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ Tim Daly Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:20:54 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Cc: Subject: Re: Literate programming and how it scales @@ -249,7 +249,7 @@ Tim \start Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:06:57 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: ISSAC 2011 *---------------------------------------------------------------* @@ -611,7 +611,7 @@ http://borasky-research.net \start Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:51:57 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Franz Lehner +To: Franz Lehner Subject: Re: hyperdoc on the web <4AC11B30.4010103@axiom-developer.org> <4AC12510.3@hemmecke.de> <4AC1275B.1070607@axiom-developer.org> diff --git a/book/2010-01.txt b/book/2010-01.txt index 19962e7..9a95905 100644 --- a/book/2010-01.txt +++ b/book/2010-01.txt @@ -1580,15 +1580,15 @@ Martin \start Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:10:44 -0500 Subject: Fwd: sum(binomial(t+i,i),i=0..k) -From: Bill Page -To: Axiom-Developer +From: Bill Page +To: list seldom 2.4 (older, 4) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Becker Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:18 PM Subject: Re: sum(binomial(t+i,i),i=3D0..k) -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Am Dienstag, 12. Januar 2010 00:46 schrieb Bill Page: @@ -1836,7 +1836,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire <4B3D8485.2030906@axiom-developer.org> <874oms7gm1.fsf_-_@maguirefamily.org> <4B4B79B2.9060009@axiom-developer.org> <87my0k1jy2.fsf@maguirefamily.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Debian ports Camm, @@ -1957,7 +1957,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Tim Daly From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:08:52 -0500 "Wed\, 13 Jan 2010 02\:08\:45 -0500") -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Debian ports Greetings! @@ -2691,7 +2691,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire <4B3D8485.2030906@axiom-developer.org> <874oms7gm1.fsf_-_@maguirefamily.org> <4B4B79B2.9060009@axiom-developer.org> <87my0k1jy2.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4D717D.8040009@axiom-developer.org> <87ockxkekb.fsf@maguirefamily.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Debian ports Camm, the URL shown below is partially specific to your system @@ -2760,7 +2760,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire <4B3D8485.2030906@axiom-developer.org> <874oms7gm1.fsf_-_@maguirefamily.org> <4B4B79B2.9060009@axiom-developer.org> <87my0k1jy2.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4D717D.8040009@axiom-developer.org> <87ockxkekb.fsf@maguirefamily.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Debian ports Camm, @@ -2818,7 +2818,7 @@ To: Tim Daly Tim Daly From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:48:46 -0500 "Wed\, 13 Jan 2010 02\:08\:45 -0500") -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Debian ports Greetings! @@ -2994,7 +2994,7 @@ Subject: re: Debian ports From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:58:42 -0500 "Wed\, 13 Jan 2010 14\:23\:54 -0500") -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Thanks Tim! But it still hangs just as before. What else can I trace to see where I'm stuck? @@ -3085,7 +3085,7 @@ To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: Debian ports <4B3D8485.2030906@axiom-developer.org> <874oms7gm1.fsf_-_@maguirefamily.org> <4B4B79B2.9060009@axiom-developer.org> <87my0k1jy2.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4D717D.8040009@axiom-developer.org> <87ockxkekb.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4E1DCA.9090304@axiom-developer.org> <87my0hixot.fsf@maguirefamily.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Does the URL file:///home/camm/mnt/fedora10/doc/hypertex/rootpage.xhtml @@ -3252,7 +3252,7 @@ Subject: re: Debian ports From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:29:48 -0500 13 Jan 2010 15\:17\:12 -0500") -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! @@ -3477,7 +3477,7 @@ Subject: re: Debian ports From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:06:59 -0500 13 Jan 2010 15\:17\:12 -0500") -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! Regarding the compiler link issue, this seems to be working so far. I don't know how to stop the autoloader, so I move @@ -3634,7 +3634,7 @@ To: Camm Maguire Subject: re: Debian ports <4B3D8485.2030906@axiom-developer.org> <874oms7gm1.fsf_-_@maguirefamily.org> <4B4B79B2.9060009@axiom-developer.org> <87my0k1jy2.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4D717D.8040009@axiom-developer.org> <87ockxkekb.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4E1DCA.9090304@axiom-developer.org> <87my0hixot.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <4B4E2A48.60904@axiom-developer.org> <87wrzleojn.fsf@maguirefamily.org> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org hmm... @@ -3815,7 +3815,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] re: Debian ports From: Paulo =?iso-8859-1?Q?C=E9sar_Pereira_de_Andrade?= To: "Camm Maguire" seldom 2.4 (older, 4) -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Camm Maguire wrote: diff --git a/book/2010-02.txt b/book/2010-02.txt index 687d7a2..74b567f 100644 --- a/book/2010-02.txt +++ b/book/2010-02.txt @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ sergio.iovacchini@evosist.org wrote: \start Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:47:21 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer , joel@joelonsoftware.com +To: list, joel@joelonsoftware.com Cc: Subject: Software editor @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ Axiom "Editor-in-Chief" \start Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:08:39 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Axiom and Cloud Computing I have successfully built Axiom on Amazon's EC2 Cloud Computing service. @@ -127,7 +127,7 @@ Tim Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:36:37 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Rupinder Singh , - Axiom-Developer + list <4B87F7F6.4020105@axiom-developer.org> <19cf289a1002262043x40302c23h8b3a72f2f1ff9d59@mail.gmail.com> Cc: @@ -364,7 +364,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom volunteer work ideas DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" recognized. -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Rupinder Singh Quoting Tim Daly Tim Daly: @@ -443,7 +443,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Edward Borasky Subject: Re: Axiom volunteer work ideas <20100227040434.44y4g8nsgsk8o084-mazro@webmail.spamcop.net> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Rupinder Singh Ed, @@ -573,7 +573,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom volunteer work ideas DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" recognized. -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Rupinder Singh @@ -628,7 +628,7 @@ a lot easier than computational math, though. \start Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:23:12 -0500 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Re: Axiom volunteer work ideas Tim wrote: diff --git a/book/2010-03.txt b/book/2010-03.txt index de0e23e..fa8087c 100644 --- a/book/2010-03.txt +++ b/book/2010-03.txt @@ -208,7 +208,7 @@ Dr. David Kirkby wrote: \start Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:01:55 -0500 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Typo on the download page. In the GIT section of the download page: @@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:22:05 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ted Kosan Subject: Re: Typo on the download page. -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Fixed. Thanks. I was an early adoption case for git and they used to have @@ -260,7 +260,7 @@ Ted Kosan wrote: \start Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:20:29 -0500 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: "Lisp initialization failed." error encountered while building Axiom. @@ -336,7 +336,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ted Kosan Subject: Re: "Lisp initialization failed." error encountered while building Axiom. -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list You probably have not turned off address randomization during build. (faq 36,37): Try (as root): @@ -426,7 +426,7 @@ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:33:44 -0500 Subject: Re: "Lisp initialization failed." error encountered while building Axiom. From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Tim wrote: @@ -464,7 +464,7 @@ Ted \start Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:45:50 -0500 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: The make process stops while processing a .pamphlet file. @@ -531,7 +531,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ted Kosan Subject: Re: The make process stops while processing a .pamphlet file. -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Ted, @@ -609,7 +609,7 @@ Ted Kosan wrote: \start Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:48:08 -0500 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Testing if (72*a^3*b^5)^(1/2) is equivalent to 6*a*b^2*(2*a*b)^(1/2) @@ -643,7 +643,7 @@ From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ted Kosan Subject: Re: Testing if (72*a^3*b^5)^(1/2) is equivalent to 6*a*b^2*(2*a*b)^(1/2) -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Probably not. See: http://www.apmaths.uwo.ca/~djeffrey/Offprints/AMAI.pdf @@ -685,7 +685,7 @@ Ted Kosan wrote: \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit Subject: Re: Testing if (72*a^3*b^5)^(1/2) is equivalent to 6*a*b^2*(2*a*b)^(1/2) To: Ted Kosan ,Axiom-Developer @@ -770,7 +770,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 10:18:25 +0100 Kosan's message of "Mon\, 8 Mar 2010 01\:48\:08 -0500") Antispam-Data: 2010.3.8.90317 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Ted Kosan writes: @@ -992,7 +992,7 @@ Message-id: <4B95330B.6000304@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:25:31 -0500 From: Eugene Surowitz MIME-version: 1.0 -To: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +To: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Cc: Subject: GCL sidebar entry for AXIOM @@ -1172,7 +1172,7 @@ Program Committee \start Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:30:43 -0500 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: "Object not found" errors on the axiom website. The links on the axiom website are producing "Object not found" errors: @@ -1192,7 +1192,7 @@ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:09:19 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ted Kosan Subject: Re: "Object not found" errors on the axiom website. -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list visit http://axiom-developer.org not http://axiom-developer.org/axiom-website @@ -1388,7 +1388,7 @@ Eugene Surowitz wrote: \start Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:50:10 -0400 From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: GSoC CAS-neutral test suite project On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:40:49 -0800, Tim Daly @@ -1464,7 +1464,7 @@ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:55:54 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly To: Ted Kosan Subject: Re: GSoC CAS-neutral test suite project -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Yes. @@ -1593,7 +1593,7 @@ From: Martin Rubey Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:22:11 +0100 23 Mar 2010 02\:55\:54 -0500") Antispam-Data: 2010.3.23.80331 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Tim Daly Tim Daly writes: @@ -1636,7 +1636,7 @@ Martin Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: GSoC CAS-neutral test suite project From: Ted Kosan -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Tim wrote: @@ -1921,7 +1921,7 @@ Links: \start Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:53:23 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Axiom release - March 2010 Axiom has been released for March, 2010. diff --git a/book/2010-04.txt b/book/2010-04.txt index df5bc1d..ea2683b 100644 --- a/book/2010-04.txt +++ b/book/2010-04.txt @@ -82,7 +82,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:34:07 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Crystal: literate programming and "shape shifting" I'm pondering a new (i.e. I have not seen it anywhere else but @@ -210,7 +210,7 @@ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:38:24 -0400 From: Eugene Surowitz MIME-version: 1.0 To: Demitri Muna , Tim Daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list <4BC61EE0.8030607@attglobal.net> <761AE0DF-423B-400D-A3FE-6E3AA40A56F7@nyu.edu> <4BC7079F.9060903@attglobal.net> @@ -326,7 +326,7 @@ To: Eugene Surowitz <4BC7079F.9060903@attglobal.net> <9AE8587E-B15A-4F32-AF0F-061DA78119D1@nyu.edu> <4BC79560.5060505@attglobal.net> -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Demitri Muna Subject: Re: Request for help from Windows + Linux users. @@ -519,7 +519,7 @@ Subject: re: Request for help from Windows + Linux users. From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:21:14 -0400 "Thu\, 15 Apr 2010 18\:38\:24 -0400") -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Demitri Muna Greetings! diff --git a/book/2010-05.txt b/book/2010-05.txt index 17d2d60..08d460a 100644 --- a/book/2010-05.txt +++ b/book/2010-05.txt @@ -622,7 +622,7 @@ ka wrote: \start Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:37:44 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Axiom May 2010 release The May 2010 release of Axiom went live last night. diff --git a/book/2010-06.txt b/book/2010-06.txt index a4c078c..a12014e 100644 --- a/book/2010-06.txt +++ b/book/2010-06.txt @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ Subject: Re: Axiom May 2010 release From: Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:01:27 -0400 "Fri\, 28 May 2010 09\:37\:44 -0400") -Cc: Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org +Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Greetings! Tim, do you have a publicly accessible intel mac osx machine I can use for gcl porting? diff --git a/book/2010-07.txt b/book/2010-07.txt index 2d79492..20ae45c 100644 --- a/book/2010-07.txt +++ b/book/2010-07.txt @@ -1207,7 +1207,7 @@ John Briggs wrote: \start Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:00:38 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Axiom July 2010 release July 2010 Release diff --git a/book/2010-08.txt b/book/2010-08.txt index 44d65be..bdb581b 100644 --- a/book/2010-08.txt +++ b/book/2010-08.txt @@ -379,7 +379,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:50:56 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: TeX examples page *This* is why documentation needs to use TeX, in case @@ -701,7 +701,7 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: \start Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:46:07 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: [Fwd: International Lisp Conference 2010 - Update] @@ -971,7 +971,7 @@ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:17:00 -0400 From: Eugene Surowitz MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Cc: Subject: Re: LiSP in Small Pieces diff --git a/book/2010-10.txt b/book/2010-10.txt index 7648c36..122a06e 100644 --- a/book/2010-10.txt +++ b/book/2010-10.txt @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:54:39 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 -To: acl2@utlists.utexas.edu, Axiom-Developer +To: acl2@utlists.utexas.edu, list Cc: Subject: ACL2 and Axiom @@ -323,7 +323,7 @@ To: acl2@utlists.utexas.edu <4CA75612.6060908@axiom-developer.org> <201010021347.o92DlxLU003014@lhug-8.cs.utexas.edu> Cc: J Strother Moore , - Axiom-Developer , + list, Matt Kaufmann Subject: Re: ACL2 and Axiom @@ -506,7 +506,7 @@ Tim Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:16:43 -0400 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: Fwd: [Dbworld] 10 PhD student positions in Computational Logic at Vienna University of Technology @@ -709,7 +709,7 @@ On 10/20/2010 4:45 PM, quad wrote: \start To: Thomas Kahle , Tim Daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org + list, gcl-devel@gnu.org <87pqvcske0.fsf@maguirefamily.org> <20101014201350.GC26107@denkmatte.mittag-leffler.se> From: Camm Maguire @@ -969,7 +969,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - Axiom-Developer , + list, Matt Kaufmann From: Camm Maguire Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:19:04 -0400 @@ -1009,7 +1009,7 @@ To: Donald Winiecki Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:09:01 -0500 Cc: Camm Maguire , maxima@math.utexas.edu, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: 2.6.8 licensing @@ -1049,7 +1049,7 @@ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:55:04 -0400 of "Wed\, 27 Oct 2010 23\:09\:01 -0500") Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Donald Winiecki , open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - Axiom-Developer , gcl-devel@gnu.org + list, gcl-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: 2.6.8 licensing Greetings! @@ -1109,7 +1109,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 19:18:08 -0600 From: Jerry James To: Camm Maguire -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Matt Kaufmann Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] 2.6.8 licensing @@ -1132,7 +1132,7 @@ http://www.jamezone.org/ From: Donald Winiecki Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:28:18 -0600 To: Camm Maguire -Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, Axiom-Developer , +Cc: maxima@math.utexas.edu, list, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Matt Kaufmann Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] 2.6.8 licensing diff --git a/book/2010-11.txt b/book/2010-11.txt index b09200a..b76632a 100644 --- a/book/2010-11.txt +++ b/book/2010-11.txt @@ -415,7 +415,7 @@ Tim Daly Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:45:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan To: gcl-devel@gnu.org, Maxima mailing list , - Axiom-Developer + list 4) Cc: Subject: Re: [Maxima] 2.6.8 licensing diff --git a/book/2010-12.txt b/book/2010-12.txt index fe516bc..929b9cf 100644 --- a/book/2010-12.txt +++ b/book/2010-12.txt @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:21:20 -0500 From: Tim Daly Tim Daly rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: November 2010 release November 2010 Release diff --git a/book/2011-02.txt b/book/2011-02.txt index d34b9b0..59743d2 100644 --- a/book/2011-02.txt +++ b/book/2011-02.txt @@ -364,7 +364,7 @@ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:12:09 -0500 Subject: re: Axiom on Windows From: Alfredo Portes To: ken@kenevans.net -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list I just installed the OpenAxiom installer: diff --git a/book/2011-04.txt b/book/2011-04.txt index d7f753a..5ad4350 100644 --- a/book/2011-04.txt +++ b/book/2011-04.txt @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:45:57 -0400 From: Eugene Surowitz Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-version: 1.0 -To: Axiom-Developer +To: list Subject: section-0.6.xhtml.patch This is a multi-part message in MIME format. @@ -2823,7 +2823,7 @@ Subject: Re: section-0.6.xhtml.patch From: daly Tim Daly To: Eugene Surowitz Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:00:39 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list fixed. thanks. --Tim diff --git a/book/2011-05.txt b/book/2011-05.txt index 183779f..2fb9164 100644 --- a/book/2011-05.txt +++ b/book/2011-05.txt @@ -148,7 +148,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-version: 1.0 To: Tim Daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Index entries for "eq?" Tim: @@ -201,7 +201,7 @@ On 5/14/2011 1:49 PM, Eugene Surowitz wrote: From: daly Tim Daly To: Eugene Surowitz Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:43:52 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Index entries for "eq?" The file book-index.xhtml was a contributed document. @@ -362,7 +362,7 @@ From: daly Tim Daly To: Eugene Surowitz, arthur@mathbrane.ca <1305495832.25965.141.camel@pewter> <4DD18B47.2080106@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:07:20 -0400 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Index entries for "eq?" Since the xhtml is all static text it should be a simple @@ -430,7 +430,7 @@ MIME-version: 1.0 To: daly Tim Daly <1305495832.25965.141.camel@pewter> <4DD18B47.2080106@attglobal.net> <1305580040.25965.226.camel@pewter> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Index entries for "eq?" Will do very shortly. @@ -505,7 +505,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz MIME-version: 1.0 To: daly Tim Daly <1305495832.25965.141.camel@pewter> -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Index entries for "eq?" OK: so we have an unmaintained, probably machine generated, @@ -731,7 +731,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-version: 1.0 To: daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: Index entries for "eq?" Tim, @@ -1115,7 +1115,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-version: 1.0 To: Arthur Ralfs , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Fwd: Re: eq? in book-index diff --git a/book/2011-08.txt b/book/2011-08.txt index 53cde2e..98c0a9d 100644 --- a/book/2011-08.txt +++ b/book/2011-08.txt @@ -132,7 +132,7 @@ Martin \start Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:23:46 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel Cc: list Subject: Re: Introduction to Category Theory diff --git a/book/2011-10.txt b/book/2011-10.txt index adb4d45..525687b 100644 --- a/book/2011-10.txt +++ b/book/2011-10.txt @@ -151,7 +151,7 @@ On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 20:09 +0100, David Mould wrote: \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:22:10 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: Bootsys and Depsys history @@ -266,7 +266,7 @@ build the entire system with SHOE. \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:14:36 -0500 -To: "Ralf Hemmecke" Ralf Hemmecke +To: Ralf Hemmecke Cc: list Subject: Aldor diff --git a/book/2011-11.txt b/book/2011-11.txt index 0866c51..7477c2e 100644 --- a/book/2011-11.txt +++ b/book/2011-11.txt @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ \start From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:11:50 -0600 -To: "Waldek Hebisch" Waldek Hebisch +To: Waldek Hebisch Cc: list Subject: Clarification @@ -164,7 +164,7 @@ xiom-developer \start From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:51:04 -0600 -To: "Camm Maguire" +To: Camm Maguire Cc: list Subject: [GCL] EXTRAS are not included @@ -525,7 +525,7 @@ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:03:26 -0500 From: Eugene Surowitz MIME-version: 1.0 To: daly Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list <4EB98B18.9090407@attglobal.net> <1320788526.30722.1188.camel@pewter> Subject: Re: Literate Programming -- Knuth interview diff --git a/book/2011-12.txt b/book/2011-12.txt index 8d6ee98..785d77f 100644 --- a/book/2011-12.txt +++ b/book/2011-12.txt @@ -491,7 +491,7 @@ On Sun, 2011-12-18 at 13:29 +0100, Udo Ott wrote: \start Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:45:04 -0500 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Udo Ott Cc: list, fricas-devel Subject: Re: Overflow diff --git a/book/2012-01.txt b/book/2012-01.txt index cc2b454..585d7e4 100644 --- a/book/2012-01.txt +++ b/book/2012-01.txt @@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start From: Camm Maguire -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:41:56 -0500 (Bill Page's message of "Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:45:04 -0500") @@ -150,7 +150,7 @@ of 2. Take care, -Bill Page writes: +Bill Page writes: > Udo Ott, > diff --git a/book/2012-04.txt b/book/2012-04.txt index 08afe0e..66e10be 100644 --- a/book/2012-04.txt +++ b/book/2012-04.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:23:42 +1000 -From: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list recognized. Subject: A quick question about finite fields and @@ -160,7 +160,7 @@ Factored(SparseUnivariatePolynomial(PrimeField(7))) \start -To: amca01@gmail.com (Alasdair McAndrew) +To: Alasdair McAndrew (Alasdair McAndrew) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:26:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch recognized. @@ -339,7 +339,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:09:25 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: daly Tim Daly recognized. Cc: list @@ -401,7 +401,7 @@ On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, daly Tim Daly wrote: \start From: daly Tim Daly -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:04:07 -0400 Cc: list @@ -473,7 +473,7 @@ On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 15:09 -0400, Bill Page wrote: \start Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:05:05 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: daly Tim Daly recognized. Cc: list diff --git a/book/2012-06.txt b/book/2012-06.txt index daf004e..efbfb7e 100644 --- a/book/2012-06.txt +++ b/book/2012-06.txt @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ Any progress? The wiki is still shown in google search results, but unfortunatel \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Axiom May 2012 release @@ -199,7 +199,7 @@ Ralf \start From: Camm Maguire -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:09:01 -0400 Jun 2012 00:58:44 -0400 (EDT)") recognized. @@ -215,7 +215,7 @@ discuss with you if interested. Take care, -"Tim Daly" Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > May 2012 release notes > @@ -350,7 +350,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:09:06 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com recognized. Cc: axiom-dev diff --git a/book/2012-07.txt b/book/2012-07.txt index 8626fca..3328cb3 100644 --- a/book/2012-07.txt +++ b/book/2012-07.txt @@ -223,7 +223,7 @@ Am 11.07.2012 19:48, schrieb William Sit: \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit To: kp Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:39:56 -0400 <4FFDCFA4.4090606@scios.ch> diff --git a/book/2013-01.txt b/book/2013-01.txt index 0e7e80c..15e27b3 100644 --- a/book/2013-01.txt +++ b/book/2013-01.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start From: Camm Maguire -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:40:05 -0500 Jun 2012 00:58:44 -0400 (EDT)") Cc: list diff --git a/book/2013-04.txt b/book/2013-04.txt index 4488821..ec6b454 100644 --- a/book/2013-04.txt +++ b/book/2013-04.txt @@ -236,7 +236,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-version: 1.0 To: u1204 Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer + list recognized. Subject: /src/interp contains identical files 'libdb.text' and 'temp.text' @@ -256,7 +256,7 @@ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:21:12 -0400 From: Eugene Surowitz Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-version: 1.0 -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, Axiom-Developer +To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list recognized. Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks @@ -367,10 +367,10 @@ On 4/21/2013 11:00 PM, Bill Page wrote: \start Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:53:45 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel (bad octet value). -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks The frontpage of the website @@ -685,10 +685,10 @@ Tim Daly \start Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:52:35 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: u1204 Tim Daly Cc: fricas-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks On 22 April 2013 13:42, u1204 Tim Daly wrote: @@ -726,11 +726,11 @@ On 22 April 2013 13:42, u1204 Tim Daly wrote: \start Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:08:33 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: u1204 Tim Daly (bad octet value). Cc: fricas-devel , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks I am sorry, but changing variable names inside source code because of @@ -744,7 +744,7 @@ identical and for the most part they produce the same results. \start From: u1204 Tim Daly -To: Bill Page +To: Bill Page (message from Bill Page on Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:08:33 -0400) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:42:31 -0400 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list @@ -795,7 +795,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-version: 1.0 To: u1204 Tim Daly, - Axiom-Developer , + list, fricas-devel recognized. Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks @@ -876,7 +876,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:07:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks Eugene Surowitz wrote: @@ -943,7 +943,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-version: 1.0 To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Developer , + list, Gabriel Dos Reis recognized. Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks @@ -1007,7 +1007,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:22:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks Bill Page wrote: @@ -1058,9 +1058,9 @@ Waldek Hebisch \start Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:37:16 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks On 23 April 2013 15:22, Waldek Hebisch wrote: @@ -1286,7 +1286,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com message of "Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:22:40 +0200 (CEST)") Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:25:06 -0500 -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: trademarks Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -1310,7 +1310,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz MIME-version: 1.0 To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, Gabriel Dos Reis , - Axiom-Developer + list <5179315A.1040805@hemmecke.org> recognized. @@ -1393,9 +1393,9 @@ On 4/25/2013 10:16 AM, Bill Page wrote: \start Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:45:37 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: fricas-devel -Cc: Axiom-Developer , +Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: icons @@ -1484,7 +1484,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-version: 1.0 To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Developer , + list, Gabriel Dos Reis <5179315A.1040805@hemmecke.org> @@ -1557,7 +1557,7 @@ On 4/25/2013 4:45 PM, Bill Page wrote: From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:05:30 -0500 To: list -Cc: Kai Kaminski +Cc: Kai Kaminski Subject: AXIOM pamphlet file format is now pure latex diff --git a/book/2013-08.txt b/book/2013-08.txt index 714c7db..935bd3c 100644 --- a/book/2013-08.txt +++ b/book/2013-08.txt @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: "Camm Maguire" , gcl-devel@gnu.org Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:29:01 -0400 (EDT) [generic] @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ Tim Daly \start From: Camm Maguire -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 14:17:56 -0400 (Tim Daly's message of "Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:29:01 -0400 (EDT)") Message-id: <871u68xaqz.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ release, right? Take care, -"Tim Daly" Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > Camm, > @@ -128,7 +128,7 @@ From: Eugene Surowitz Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-version: 1.0 To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Developer , + list, Gabriel Dos Reis <188dfb5a-0bb2-4450-b515-f8283d2b9e18@googlegroups.com> @@ -234,7 +234,7 @@ From: Camm Maguire To: gcl-devel@gnu.org,Matt Kaufmann, "maxima\@math.utexas.edu" , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Developer , + list, Gabriel Dos Reis , Donald Winiecki Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:48:24 -0400 @@ -344,12 +344,12 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:37:22 -0700 To: Camm Maguire -From: Henry Baker +From: Henry Baker Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, Donald Winiecki , gcl-devel@gnu.org, Gabriel Dos Reis , Matt Kaufmann, "maxima@math.utexas.edu" , - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [Maxima] GCL 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are released Thanks very much to you & the GCL team! diff --git a/book/2013-09.txt b/book/2013-09.txt index 0d97938..77011f2 100644 --- a/book/2013-09.txt +++ b/book/2013-09.txt @@ -212,7 +212,7 @@ To: Matt Kaufmann Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , Camm Maguire , open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: GCL 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are released Hi Matt, @@ -362,7 +362,7 @@ Thanks -- Cc: Camm Maguire , "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , maxima@math.utexas.edu, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Developer , + list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net Hi Matt, @@ -492,7 +492,7 @@ Thanks -- \start Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:26:17 -0700 To: Matt Kaufmann -From: Henry Baker +From: Henry Baker <201309042122.r84LMEXt024883@sloth.cs.utexas.edu> Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, dwiniecki@boisestate.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Camm Maguire , @@ -691,7 +691,7 @@ Matt > Cc: Camm Maguire , > "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , maxima@math.utexas.edu, > fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - > Axiom-Developer , + > list, > open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net > > Hi Matt, @@ -1068,7 +1068,7 @@ To: Matt Kaufmann Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, John Lapeyre , "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Re: [Maxima] GCL 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are released Apologies Matt, @@ -1145,7 +1145,7 @@ On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Matt Kaufmann wrote: > > Cc: Camm Maguire , > > "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , maxima@math.utexas.edu, > > fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, -> > Axiom-Developer , +> > list, > > open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net > > > > Hi Matt, @@ -1567,7 +1567,7 @@ and gcl (2.6.8 and 2.6.9 ) is the only one that still fails to load asdf. > Cc: Camm Maguire , > "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , maxima@math.utexas.edu, > fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, -> Axiom-Developer , +> list, > open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net > > Hi Matt, @@ -2035,7 +2035,7 @@ Matt Kaufmann writes: > > Cc: Camm Maguire , > > "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , maxima@math.utexas.edu, > > fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, -> > Axiom-Developer , +> > list, > > open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net > > > > Hi Matt, @@ -2501,7 +2501,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start From: Camm Maguire -To: Henry Baker +To: Henry Baker <201309042122.r84LMEXt024883@sloth.cs.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:42:28 -0400 @@ -2517,7 +2517,7 @@ Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] GCL 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are released Greetings! And thanks for your feedback! -Henry Baker writes: +Henry Baker writes: > Terrific job! Thanks! > @@ -2535,7 +2535,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start From: Camm Maguire -To: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +To: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:54:45 -0400 (Tim Daly's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:00:02 -0400 (EDT)") Message-id: <87ppsmf1ai.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -2544,7 +2544,7 @@ MIME-version: 1.0 Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, Donald Winiecki , "GCL-devel@gnu.org" , open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, Matt Kaufmann, maxima@math.utexas.edu, - Axiom-Developer + list Subject: Call for Windows Vista/7 MINGW remote vnc access Hi Tim! Please excuse the large cc list, but this has come up @@ -2566,7 +2566,7 @@ through WinXP. Alas, Don cannot get permission for remote vnc access. You did very helpfully provide me with vnc access some time ago, and write now: -"Tim Daly" Tim Daly writes: +Tim Daly writes: > I changed out the hard drive and put in Windows 7. > Unfortunatly I cannot figure out how to enable a @@ -2643,7 +2643,7 @@ Camm Maguire camm@maguirefamily.org \start Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 08:50:29 -0700 To: Camm Maguire -From: Henry Baker +From: Henry Baker <201309042122.r84LMEXt024883@sloth.cs.utexas.edu> <87wqmuf1uz.fsf@maguirefamily.org> @@ -2659,7 +2659,7 @@ file systems & documents that utilize UTF8 is quite difficult. At 07:42 AM 9/6/2013, Camm Maguire wrote: >Greetings! And thanks for your feedback! > ->Henry Baker writes: +>Henry Baker writes: > >> Terrific job! Thanks! >> @@ -2678,7 +2678,7 @@ At 07:42 AM 9/6/2013, Camm Maguire wrote: \start Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:02:40 GMT From: Leo Butler -To: Henry Baker +To: Henry Baker from Henry Baker on Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:50:29 -0700) <201309042122.r84LMEXt024883@sloth.cs.utexas.edu> @@ -2693,7 +2693,7 @@ Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, dwiniecki@boisestate.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org, Subject: Re: [Maxima] [Gcl-devel] GCL 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are released - From: Henry Baker + From: Henry Baker UTF8 isn't 'critical', but not having it means that interfacing with file systems & documents that utilize UTF8 is quite difficult. diff --git a/book/2013-10.txt b/book/2013-10.txt index 23dc8de..0a2d3ea 100644 --- a/book/2013-10.txt +++ b/book/2013-10.txt @@ -298,7 +298,7 @@ Matteo \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list, matteo serventi (axiom-developer-owner@nongnu.org) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:44:18 -0400 @@ -353,7 +353,7 @@ Tim Daly \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list, borist@me.com (axiom-developer-owner@nongnu.org) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:58:40 -0400 diff --git a/book/2013-11.txt b/book/2013-11.txt index c80a1f8..83731c3 100644 --- a/book/2013-11.txt +++ b/book/2013-11.txt @@ -463,7 +463,7 @@ ICcoJwprZXl3b3JkcyBvcGVyYXRpb25zICdPcGVyYXRpb25zIHdob3NlJwo= \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: "Fabio S." Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 01:01:17 -0500 [generic] @@ -919,7 +919,7 @@ Fabio \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list, stf@unife.it Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:38:28 -0500 [generic] @@ -1182,7 +1182,7 @@ Tim \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly +From: Tim Daly To: list, stf@unife.it Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:39:28 -0500 [generic] diff --git a/book/2014-01.txt b/book/2014-01.txt index e5dd865..73d195e 100644 --- a/book/2014-01.txt +++ b/book/2014-01.txt @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ \start Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:02:50 +1100 -From: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list (bad octet value). Subject: A few issues with a newly compiled axiom @@ -82,7 +82,7 @@ blank">http://www.facebook.com/alasdair.mcandrew \start From: u1204 Tim Daly -To: Alasdair McAndrew +To: Alasdair McAndrew (message from Alasdair McAndrew on Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:02:50 +1100) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:38:10 -0500 @@ -95,7 +95,7 @@ I will look into your questions as soon as I can -- Tim \start Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:54:19 +1100 -From: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: u1204 Tim Daly, list (bad octet value). Subject: Re: A few issues with a newly compiled axiom @@ -150,7 +150,7 @@ blank">http://www.facebook.com/alasdair.mcandrew \start Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:12:34 +1100 -From: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Alasdair McAndrew To: list (bad octet value). Subject: "Sage-type" notebook in a web browser @@ -230,7 +230,7 @@ blank">http://www.facebook.com/alasdair.mcandrew \start From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:23:02 -0600 -To: Alasdair McAndrew , list +To: Alasdair McAndrew, list [generic] Subject: "Sage-type" notebook in a web browser @@ -297,7 +297,7 @@ Tim \start From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 01:21:51 -0600 -To: Alasdair McAndrew , list +To: Alasdair McAndrew, list [generic] Subject: "Sage-type" notebook in a web browser @@ -393,8 +393,8 @@ Curmudgeon-at-Large. \start -From: "Tim Daly" Tim Daly -To: Alasdair McAndrew +From: Tim Daly +To: Alasdair McAndrew (message from Alasdair McAndrew on Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:44:10 +1100) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:30:38 -0500 diff --git a/book/2014-03.txt b/book/2014-03.txt index 0d5fdd8..b102333 100644 --- a/book/2014-03.txt +++ b/book/2014-03.txt @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ Tim \start -From: "William Sit" William Sit +From: William Sit To: Ralf Hemmecke,axiom-dev Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 02:05:03 -0500 @@ -125,7 +125,7 @@ Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ \start From: u1204 Tim Daly -To: "William Sit" William Sit +To: William Sit Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 00:48:10 -0500 [generic] Cc: list, Ralf Hemmecke diff --git a/book/2014-04.txt b/book/2014-04.txt index c7fc6ec..fb31473 100644 --- a/book/2014-04.txt +++ b/book/2014-04.txt @@ -15,10 +15,10 @@ Tim \start Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:54:06 -0400 -From: Bill Page +From: Bill Page To: Daly Tim Daly [fuzzy] -Cc: Axiom-Developer +Cc: list Subject: Re: Category Theory Talk I want to know what this guy was drinking during his talk. diff --git a/changelog b/changelog index bf45dd1..6745344 100644 --- a/changelog +++ b/changelog @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@ +20140530 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140530.02.tpd.patch +20140530 tpd book/*.txt email cleanup 20140530 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140530.01.tpd.patch 20140530 tpd books/bookvolbib add Sit06 20140525 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140525.01.tpd.patch diff --git a/src/axiom-website/patches.html b/src/axiom-website/patches.html index 0068734..b0a21ad 100644 --- a/src/axiom-website/patches.html +++ b/src/axiom-website/patches.html @@ -4358,6 +4358,8 @@ src/input/Makefile add inputform src/input/page.input removed 20140530.01.tpd.patch books/bookvolbib add Sit06 +20140530.02.tpd.patch +book/*.txt email cleanup